November 21, 2023 • 40 mins
Today on 2 Pros and a Cup of Joe, the Eagles beat the Chiefs but it doesn’t change much for KC. The Jets decide to move on from Zach Wilson yet again. And the Steelers decide to fire OC Matt Canada.
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Speaker 1 (00:02):
It's the best of two pros and a coup.
Speaker 2 (00:06):
Win.
Speaker 1 (00:07):
And Jonas Knox.
Speaker 3 (00:08):
On radio, I don't know if you guys got the
same vibe I got and and I think it was
partly because you had the teams that were playing. It
was Monday night football. You had Joe Buck and Troy
Aikman on the call. But that had that big fight
feel to it last night. Oh they did like there
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was there was like that felt special and it was
Labar knew. I'll say this, Look, if if that's the
Super Bowl we.
Speaker 4 (00:40):
End up with again, I'll be excited. We're good.
Speaker 3 (00:43):
We run that back as many times as you want.
It was sloppy, but those are two damn good football teams.
And I don't come away from that game thinking anything
less of Kansas City other than it was kind of
like that Lions game to open up the air. If
some guys could hold onto the football, maybe we've got
a different result.
Speaker 4 (00:59):
But me, Mahomes is still the best quarterback in the NFL.
It was great.
Speaker 5 (01:05):
I mean I'm right there with that sentiment. Look, he
is the best quarterback in the NFL. It didn't work out,
didn't whin Yeah, it felt like a more of a
defensive battle, though in some ways, I think I thought
the thing that was highlighted. Granted, you know a Philly
ends up winning in the end, but it was the
Chiefs defense. It's so much better than what it's been
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in the years past, and this team is. It's just
it's a different Chiefs team as far as how they
go about, you know, winning games. I think the past
you would have said that team can outscore anyone despite
their defense, and their defense just has to make enough plays.
Speaker 2 (01:43):
Now we look at them, I'm like, man, that.
Speaker 5 (01:45):
Front can rush, they can cover down, they can make
some plays.
Speaker 2 (01:49):
It's just it's different.
Speaker 5 (01:50):
It's a different group, and as the offense still figures out,
you know who's going to be the playmakers they can
rely on outside of Kelsey. I just kind of look
at it and go, it would be great to see
this rematch. All be curious to see if both teams
can make their way through though the playoffs to make
it happen.
Speaker 2 (02:09):
I mean, the Eagles just I don't know.
Speaker 5 (02:12):
It's something about the way that team just finds ways
of winning football games. But to me, I still think
that Mahomes is the best. I just think the AFC
is so much more littered with good teams that the
Chiefs could stumble with the way this team looks, I mean,
to get shut out in the second half like that.
Give all credit to the Eagles coaching staff and obviously
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Eagles defense and all that, but it's also a side
of I think what this offense is lacking with the
Chiefs compared to what we've seen in years past.
Speaker 3 (02:41):
Would you, guys say, and as sorry to jump on
this of oar, but would you say that you trust
Philly in close games more so than any team in
the NFL, because I.
Speaker 2 (02:51):
Do trust them on fourth and one, fourth and two,
I'll tell you that much.
Speaker 6 (03:01):
I mean, we asked a question yesterday on the show,
whoever wins this game, is that the best team in
the NFL? And I think we all agreed yes. I
know I said yes. I think it did determine who
the top team in the NFL is. And you could
tell both of those teams knew what was at stake.
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You know, neither wanted to lose. And like you guys
said at the top of the show, you could feel
and you could sense the energy that was taking place
during the course of that game. I like the way
they tried to it almost looked like an old school
NFL game. They actually ran the ball and at times
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were really effective and being able to run the ball,
and they played defense. You can't ask for much more
other than to see maybe some some big time offensive plays.
But when you see two really fine teams match up,
well coached teams match up, that's what you're going to see,
and that's what you're going to get. And I was surprised.
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I was surprised that the Eagles were able to have the.
Speaker 4 (04:13):
Second half that they did.
Speaker 6 (04:15):
A J.
Speaker 3 (04:15):
Brown had one catch.
Speaker 6 (04:16):
I was surprised that they were able to pull the
game out because it looked like Kansas City kind of
had control of the game.
Speaker 4 (04:23):
Like they they're not They're not blowing.
Speaker 6 (04:26):
People out of the box with the way they play
offense this year, but there just always seems to be
a way that they figure something out on offense, and
it just seemed as though their defense did well enough
keeping keeping Jalen Hurts off off balance. I mean the
gay linebacker, you know, Chris Jones, I slide in there.
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Uh you know, what's his name?
Speaker 4 (04:52):
Is it Rudy?
Speaker 6 (04:53):
Is it Rudy will Gay Willie Willy is a close linebackers.
Those linebackers be ball the man. Yeah, okay, that's his
last name. He's not around the field on Mary. No,
I said, I said his name. I just I just
made sure I said his name, the linebacker Gay. Well,
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you piqued my interest. All right, Well good if you
were sleep then and I woke you. I woke you up.
We're morning show, so we're supposed to say things that
get you going.
Speaker 4 (05:23):
Uh.
Speaker 6 (05:24):
Chris Jones is a flipping animal, bron do that. I mean,
he is as amazing as it gets. I watch how
many guys. Yeah he has see you went there too.
He's been He's been big for certain, And we should
have known how big he was going to be because
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he gave us all kinds of a preview when well
he was trying to figure out you know, or they
were trying to figure out where they were going to
take him in the draft. You know, he really did
a lot at the combine to lead to him getting
to where he is right now. And and he has
not disappointed. I mean, he has played the long game
and it has paid off in his start.
Speaker 4 (06:10):
It has paid off in his start. Them.
Speaker 6 (06:13):
I think there are some pretty dominant dudes. And listen,
I think Miles Garrett right now is a runaway for
Defensive Player of the Year. But you know, obviously I
mentioned Michael Parsons. I think Aaron Donald is still having
those that type of a season. And this guy Chris Jones, man,
he's an animal like, he is a game wrecker. He
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makes a difference. That's one of those games you come
away with. You see how well they play on defense,
you see how how both teams are playing. I think
you you could see either one of those teams winning
the game. And that's what you like to see when
you see two. I didn't want to see anyone get
blown out, you know, but I was interested to see
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if the class of what I would consider the class
of the AFC deal and the new emergence of the
Philadelphia Eagles to be the class of the NFC, how
they would match up. And there is parody like AFC
is not overblown, just better than the NFC. You don't
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have to go into you know, Okay, well, who's going
to play to be second in the Super Bowl? Like
they've shown that. You know, they could have won that
game in the Super Bowl last year. And if they
were to match up with them this year, they have
the ability to be able to match up with the
top AFC because I still think they're the top AFC team.
Speaker 3 (07:35):
Kansas City was in as you mentioned, they were in control.
You know, Mahomes had the interception, like they were in
control throughout majority of the game.
Speaker 4 (07:44):
It was funny to me it.
Speaker 6 (07:44):
Would it could have got away from Philly if they
don't if they don't pick that ball.
Speaker 3 (07:48):
Yeah, And and what's what's funny to me is when
Jalen Hurts completes that long pass to DeVante Smith and
you know, he goes down at the one yard line,
it's like everybody in the stadium, including Kansas City new oh,
they're going to score right now, because it's like they
have the most unstoppable playing football, Like, oh, okay, we're just
you know, we got first and goal from the one
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of the two yard line, had no problem. We're just
gonna push everybody in and we're going to score and
then we're going to take the lead. And now it's
on the offense to go down and get it together.
Kelsey had a drop on the final drive. Marcus Veldez
Scantling had that drop which would have been the go
ahead touchdown late on that final drive for Kansas City,
and so Patrick Mahomes afterwards was not only asked about
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just the performance by himself and his teammates following the loss,
but also if he had any regrets about throwing to
Marcus Valdez Scantling in that spot.
Speaker 7 (08:38):
Yeah, I have no regret. I mean, the triple team Travis,
So I went to the guy that was that one
downfield and Mark west One just didn't come away with
the ball. I mean I could probably thought a little
bit short, he was that open. So yeah, he's got
to continue to try to get better and better. Defense
is keeping us in games, and if we can find
a way to just get a little bit better as
an offense, we're gonna win a lot of these games.
Speaker 3 (08:58):
I mean, I'll take my chances with man, if Mahomes
could just figure it out and the offense could figure
it out, they're gonna be okay. I'll take my chances
as opposed to defense is suspect and we got to
rely on the offense to score forty game.
Speaker 4 (09:11):
Like, I totally agree. I think they're gonna be fine.
Everything's fine in Kansas City.
Speaker 5 (09:16):
I think if you look at their schedule to the
rest of the way. I mean they go to Las
Vegas and two Green Bay and back to back.
Speaker 2 (09:23):
To back weeks.
Speaker 5 (09:24):
It won't be easy, but I think those are both
winnable games for them. They host Buffalo in week fourteen,
then at New England, Las Vegas again, Cincinnati who's Joe
Burrow Liss and then to the Los Angeles Chargers, which
depending on how that looks h it's a tough roster,
but they might not have their head coach.
Speaker 6 (09:42):
What things are going on, So Rechargers, I mean it's
they on the blink.
Speaker 4 (09:47):
They need to be plugged in.
Speaker 2 (09:49):
With that schedule, they they might lose one more game
maybe best the way.
Speaker 3 (09:54):
Yeah, Buffalo I think is the toughest game.
Speaker 2 (09:56):
So thirteen to four Vegas was a traf game.
Speaker 4 (09:59):
Though the raid is always play them tough.
Speaker 3 (10:01):
But coming off this loss, if I'm the Raiders, this
is a nightmare.
Speaker 4 (10:06):
Yeah, I feel bad, feel bad.
Speaker 6 (10:09):
But the problem that's what team we get to the playoffs.
What AFC team do you see knocking off the Chiefs that.
Speaker 2 (10:22):
I really do think it is Baltimore.
Speaker 5 (10:25):
I think Baltimore that style between their defense their offense.
If they you know, if they can actually make some plays.
It's tough to it's tough to see what they're gonna
be without Mark Andrews. He's such a key piece of
that offense. But the way they can run the football
and then lamar Co can create, and the way they've
thrown down the field, that's a team that I'm really
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hoping we get to see in the playoffs.
Speaker 6 (10:49):
They just have been such a disappointment in the playoffs
to me.
Speaker 2 (10:54):
I know, you know, they just feels different.
Speaker 4 (10:56):
Does it feel different?
Speaker 2 (10:57):
It feels different this year?
Speaker 4 (11:00):
Take your word at.
Speaker 6 (11:00):
It, because if if it's if not Baltimore that is
the team that finally steps up and it feels different
and in the playoffs, then okay, that's a good matchup.
I can't come up with another team. I think of
it as like, yeah, Baltimore should on paper be the team.
(11:23):
I mean, I had them going to the super Bowl
last season.
Speaker 3 (11:25):
Jacksonville feels like a team I don't.
Speaker 4 (11:27):
I don't feel like Jacksonville can do it. Miami. I
don't feel like Miami can do it.
Speaker 6 (11:32):
Yeah, I don't feel like I don't think their offense
can stand up for Texans. I don't feel like the
Texans can do it. I don't know if they're ready
for that. See the point, here's what I'm saying. We
could be correct on one of those teams. That's how
the NFL works, Like, that's the beauty of the National
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Football League. A team could emerge. We could be like, Oh,
here we go, here's the start of a dynasty with
the Texans, or here we go, here's the start of
it for Jacksonville.
Speaker 4 (12:04):
That could happen.
Speaker 6 (12:05):
Hell, we could be like Buffalo woke up, the sleeping
Bison woke up and started started hertings like starting moving
across the wild land.
Speaker 4 (12:16):
We don't really know.
Speaker 6 (12:17):
I'm just saying at a look at it from from
a critical eye where we're at right now and what
we know. I just I would say Baltimore is the
only team, and I wouldn't even I wouldn't even be
confident in saying that. In the playoffs against Kansas City,
I wouldn't be confident. Do Buffalo make sound yes, like
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with their mouth?
Speaker 4 (12:40):
Yes? Like what does it sound like? It's I mean,
I want to say it's like.
Speaker 6 (12:43):
A like it's like oh, something like that, you know
some to that effect.
Speaker 4 (12:49):
I think it's almost like a bull. They sound like
a bull.
Speaker 2 (12:56):
You guys.
Speaker 5 (12:56):
Tell me if there's anyone else I'm missing that's playing
for a Super Bowl. Chiefs, Eagles, Ravens, forty nine Ers, Lions, m.
Speaker 2 (13:12):
Cowboys. Like I said, those six.
Speaker 4 (13:16):
Teams, Yeah, we're good with that right there, thank you.
Speaker 6 (13:18):
So then we're saying that NFC is better than than
the AFC, right, I think the.
Speaker 4 (13:23):
NFC is more competitive. I think there's more three You.
Speaker 6 (13:25):
Know, we said the AFC was way more competitive than
the NFC.
Speaker 5 (13:28):
I actually don't think there's more competition. I think there's
just four teams that are potentially in the running for it.
Because after that, it's kind of like, I don't know
that anyone has a legit shot. Like the issue with
the AFC is just so many injured quarterbacks.
Speaker 3 (13:44):
If if somebody gave me the option, you can bet
on this or the field. You can bet on the
conference championship games being Ravens, Chiefs, Eagles, forty nine Ers,
or the field.
Speaker 4 (13:55):
What are you taking?
Speaker 2 (13:56):
I'm taking those bets field.
Speaker 4 (13:59):
Yeah.
Speaker 6 (14:00):
I just think that the Eagles have shown you that
their way of winning is pronounced. It's not it's not
a fluke. They win the same way. That's that's why
to me, it just seems like it's a simple They
would have to be had, and I don't the only
team I think that could possibly get through the or
(14:25):
the forty nine ers, they're the only ones that could
get through the Eagles. That's it, call it a rap,
but the rest of them. I don't believe Dallas can
stand up to the Eagles.
Speaker 4 (14:33):
I do not.
Speaker 6 (14:35):
I don't think that there's any other team in the
NFC that could stand up to the Eagles because the
way they play, they are so physical and the only
other team that I can think of that would have
enough talent and I'm not so sure that party can
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stand up against that that Eagles defense in a playoff game.
For the entire game, I would love to see the rematch.
Speaker 4 (15:01):
We're gonna find out in two weeks. Well, they knocked
his ass right on at.
Speaker 2 (15:04):
It fourteen though.
Speaker 5 (15:05):
Week fourteen, that's where you got Kansas City Buffalo, and
you've got the Eagles sticking on the Cowboys.
Speaker 6 (15:11):
Yeah, ohh, I would love that's That's gonna be a
good week up and phi Philly's upcoming schedule is not
not easy.
Speaker 3 (15:18):
I mean, they've got Buffalo then they've got the Niners.
They're at Dallas, they're at Seattle.
Speaker 6 (15:23):
I will say Dallas has looked good, though they have
looked good, and that game of them playing the Eagles,
that should be a legit preview of which team is
the best team in the NFC outside of the forty
nine ers. You'll get You'll get a tall tale of
what the tape will be. How does Dallas matchup? Does
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that secondary still look as good? Does that defense still
look as good dan Quinn's defense? Do they still look
as good against the type of offense that that Philly is.
And keep in mind, Jalen Hurts is still trying to
get back to one hundred percent. He looked better last night,
but not You can tell he's not all the way
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there now.
Speaker 4 (16:08):
I don't know if that's going to be the rest of.
Speaker 6 (16:09):
The season, and it's not a full speed Jalen Hurts,
but I would assume each week that goes by, he's
going to feel better and better with that knee and
he's going to speed up a little bit more just
based off of the health. If that is the case,
then that's a different Philly team because that's still an
element that's missing for this team. He's not running quite
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he's not moving quite as deliberate and as fast as
he would is if he's a healthy, healthy Jalen hurts. So,
I think that'll be a big test. That's going to
be a major, major indicator if you ask me, and
you look at the Dallas Dallas, the way they're playing
right now and the balance that they have. I would
have never thought i'd say that, but it will to
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me dictate if I look at them as a true
contender hitting into the playoffs on board. I mean, it's crazy.
I'm not a bandwagon dude. Michael Parsons due, so really
pool for him, Mike, Yeah, but you know it's kind
of hard to root for them on many, many different levels.
Speaker 4 (17:07):
Yeah.
Speaker 6 (17:07):
Well, we're taking the personal out of it, you know.
I think they look they look pretty competitive.
Speaker 1 (17:12):
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Speaker 4 (17:35):
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Speaker 3 (18:08):
Important show note here behind the scenes, Lead the Lap
received a phone call just a few moments ago, and
you're probably thinking to yourself, what's a big deal. Well,
it wasn't even four in the morning out here on
the West Coast on a Tuesday. So Lee, who was
calling you just before four in the morning on a Tuesday.
Speaker 2 (18:27):
Oh?
Speaker 8 (18:28):
I can give you a guess and you probably get
it in the first guest right there, that would be
mister Todd.
Speaker 9 (18:34):
Todd was giving me a call wondering what day it was.
Speaker 4 (18:37):
Wow.
Speaker 8 (18:38):
Last I talked to you, guys, I told you I
had skipped out on the game day festivities with Todd
and his brothers going to the Seahawks Rams game. It's
a good thing I did, because apparently they time traveled
till about two hours ago.
Speaker 4 (18:54):
Time travel two hours.
Speaker 3 (18:56):
So he knows that you're working and he called to
ask what you're doing.
Speaker 4 (19:00):
While you were on air? By the way, what are you.
Speaker 3 (19:02):
Doing for Thanksgiving?
Speaker 9 (19:04):
What am I doing for Thanksgiving?
Speaker 3 (19:05):
Well, you're invited, buddy at three fifty five in the morning. Yeah,
why not a couple of days I.
Speaker 2 (19:10):
Don't have them on. Can we have Todd discuss all this?
Speaker 9 (19:14):
I can probably give him a call.
Speaker 5 (19:15):
Yeah, come on, I means doesn't want it, but I'm
curious to hear the story from his side.
Speaker 6 (19:20):
I would love to hear time travel even sounds like
from Todd.
Speaker 4 (19:26):
Yeah, yes, absolutely.
Speaker 6 (19:28):
I mean Lee was laid back at it, one hand
on his head, had the phone up, like was having
really I.
Speaker 9 (19:34):
Thought it was a different conversation with a different person.
Speaker 3 (19:36):
You and I were trying to guess, like clearly talking clearly.
Speaker 4 (19:39):
That was the right that was the right call.
Speaker 3 (19:42):
Yeah, now we are going to time travel a little
bit for you guys. Here Brady Quinn and lebar Arrington
brought up chee Cheese Mexican restaurant.
Speaker 4 (19:51):
That's very true.
Speaker 3 (19:52):
So there was a deep dive research wise what happened
to chee Cheese Mexican restaurant.
Speaker 4 (19:57):
They're not around anymore.
Speaker 3 (19:59):
Do you have an up to eight in the words
of Robert Stack for what happened to Chi Cheese from
years ago?
Speaker 4 (20:04):
That's right.
Speaker 9 (20:04):
Multitask and checking out.
Speaker 8 (20:06):
I went back and looked at che Cheese history and
why they decided to file for bankruptcy back in two
thousand and two. It turns out it was because of
a hepatitis a breakout in Beaver, Pennsylvania that was traced
back to their green onions in their che cheese salsa. Salsification,
by the way, was a trademarked by Chi Chese salsification.
Speaker 9 (20:28):
I don't know what that meant, but yeah, their.
Speaker 8 (20:31):
Green onions in their chee cheese salsa led to a
deadly outbreak of more than at least four deaths in
the Pennsylvania area.
Speaker 5 (20:40):
I'm glad, okay, I mean, so they couldn't survive that, huh.
Speaker 2 (20:45):
No.
Speaker 8 (20:45):
Apparently Outback Steakhouse bought the bought the company, converted all
the che Cheese restaurant and.
Speaker 5 (20:53):
Then they took it down under I'll be here all week,
flas Baby. That was served up like a blooming onion.
Speaker 3 (21:17):
I'm glad you guys got out of there live, eat
and walk out with a good for you.
Speaker 4 (21:22):
I mean, I think.
Speaker 2 (21:27):
Probably made stronger.
Speaker 5 (21:28):
You know, you might have battled through some batters went
on there.
Speaker 4 (21:31):
Maybe we went there quite a bit.
Speaker 2 (21:35):
Trust me, that place was wild. It was so much fun.
Speaker 6 (21:37):
I'm gonna throw another one at you, Q Ponderosa Oh steakhouse.
Speaker 2 (21:44):
Yeah, but it's like a buff.
Speaker 5 (21:46):
I can't even I can't even share my experience one time.
Speaker 2 (21:49):
I just I'll put it this way. We went there
after a uh we went.
Speaker 5 (21:54):
There after a spring break baseball tournament, and uh, it
all all came right back.
Speaker 3 (22:01):
Oh was that the Jack Daniels. Is that when you
found out you were allergic?
Speaker 2 (22:05):
No, I'm not allergic to Jack Danel.
Speaker 4 (22:07):
No, you were drinking Jack Daniels.
Speaker 3 (22:09):
You found out you were allergic to shellfish.
Speaker 5 (22:12):
Yeah, Yeah, that was different. That was Yeah, that was
when I was I was in Southeast for that one. Yeah,
that was stone crab season. Possibly the greatest thing I've
ever tasted. And my face blew up like Will Smith
in the movie Hitch.
Speaker 4 (22:27):
Get out of Here.
Speaker 5 (22:29):
I walk I remember I was sitting next to Eric
Winston and I remember I walked back to the table.
Speaker 2 (22:33):
He was like, did you just get a fight? I
was like, what do you mean? I was like, my
face feels itchy.
Speaker 5 (22:37):
He goes dude to shellfish. I'm like, sorry, man, I'm
from the Midwest. We were meeting potatoes type family and
he's like, he need to go get you some ben
and drill stat I said, okay, So we're like running
into a CBS like I'm pounding ben and dryl drinking.
He's like, all right, let's go to my buddy spot.
Let's get some drinks before we go out. I'm like, okay,
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had no idea. Yeah, this is how ignorant I was,
especially in college like that. Obviously, alcohol counteracts and of histamy.
So I put a hat on, rolled out, end up
going to the Cleveland. That was a fun time. You were,
ironically enough, someone else puked up a shot. Wow, a
lot of puke.
Speaker 6 (23:17):
You know those stone crabs that that those claws, they
only chop off one and they throw the crab back.
Speaker 4 (23:25):
Did you know that? Yeah, they chop off one.
Speaker 6 (23:27):
Of those big ass crab claws that you get at Joe's.
Speaker 4 (23:32):
And they they throw them back.
Speaker 2 (23:35):
I feel like that's I mean, is that worse? Does
it grow back?
Speaker 6 (23:38):
I think it grows back. Okay, I think they regenerate.
But but just to keep the population healthy, that makes.
Speaker 5 (23:45):
Sense then, But I do feel bad for the stone
crab that period of time, like these a holes are
just gonna pick us up, chop off a claw, and
throw us back. Now I got a deal with not
having a claw for the next year.
Speaker 4 (23:56):
Let me look up if their and then they're gonna.
Speaker 2 (23:58):
Do it again the next year. Is that what you're saying. Yeah,
imagine if someone did that to you.
Speaker 3 (24:03):
Oh no, I don't know they Mark. I don't worry abody.
We're coming back for the others.
Speaker 5 (24:09):
I guess it's better than like the lobsters that sit
in those tanks that are like at the restaurant.
Speaker 4 (24:14):
Yeah, they definitely look at them, looking them. You know,
he's added there.
Speaker 5 (24:19):
Yeah, imagine like that got turned around like you're in
a glass case and everyone's just pointed.
Speaker 2 (24:23):
You like I'm gonna eat you. Yeah.
Speaker 4 (24:26):
Yeah, I don't.
Speaker 3 (24:26):
I don't want to see the process. But it's tasty.
I mean it is it's good, you can get.
Speaker 6 (24:31):
It stone crabs is returning them to the water. I
don't even know that work purportedly to regenerate that so
it does regenerate their claws.
Speaker 3 (24:43):
I just think of just growing back.
Speaker 4 (24:45):
Yeah, everybody hold on.
Speaker 6 (24:49):
A FWC study found that approximatentally for the crabs died
the one claw was torn off, nearly two thirds died
when bow claws were removed.
Speaker 3 (25:01):
Oh yeah, but there is hope. There's a turkey walking
around somewhere in a farm going, hey man, we got
like two days, so enjoy what you can here. And
meanwhile they're throwing crabs back in. They're growing their limbs back.
Speaker 4 (25:12):
See there's hope.
Speaker 2 (25:13):
Yeah, that's all. I could never have been a farmer
to raise that stuff.
Speaker 5 (25:16):
I could just I could never raise something and feeding
them be like, well that day someone's got to eat.
Speaker 4 (25:22):
Try to explain to that to your girls when they
get older.
Speaker 5 (25:25):
Trust, we've already we've already been to some different you know,
little farms or pet animals and all that, and then
they tried, you know, they tried something for the first time.
Speaker 2 (25:35):
What's that. Well, it's kind of like the animals you
just pay.
Speaker 3 (25:38):
Hey, daddy, what happened to my turkey?
Speaker 4 (25:39):
Check your lunch?
Speaker 6 (25:41):
You know what, in the South they call the fish,
the little little lobsters crawlfish. They call them crawfish. But
where we're from, we call them crayfish. Did you call
them crayfish? In Ohio? Call them crawdads?
Speaker 4 (25:55):
Out here? Crawl dad.
Speaker 5 (25:56):
I'll be honest with you again, I was not very
cultured when it is this sort of thing, so I
only knew them as crawlfish.
Speaker 2 (26:05):
So that's that's how.
Speaker 4 (26:07):
You could catch them.
Speaker 6 (26:08):
You could catch them in like little creeks, and they
were We called them crayfish, but they were there crawlfish,
I guess.
Speaker 2 (26:16):
I mean.
Speaker 6 (26:16):
But anyway, yeah, we never knew that I'd end up
eating them. By the way, I've had crawlfish. They're really
good too.
Speaker 4 (26:24):
Listen. I mean, I think, uh, well, there you go.
This way to start the show.
Speaker 3 (26:30):
I'm just telling you that's the way to start of
the hour. So thoughts and prayers out to chee cheese,
Mexican restling. That's kind of jack and whatever. Crab Whenever
crabs don't survive that amputation, that sucks.
Speaker 5 (26:40):
This one because it feels like you're you're when you
get bench as a quarterback, you get amputated.
Speaker 2 (26:45):
Right.
Speaker 3 (26:46):
Oh, that's a great point, especially when it feels like
it's the same thing that happened last year, Like these
crabs just kept going back in, you know, because Zach Wilson,
Zach Wilson is growing into his for a second year
in a row. He his role is the third quarterback
on the team. That is now the situation there with
the New York Jets, Robert Sala announcing yesterday, so look,
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we're gonna go ahead and we're gonna announce Tim Boyle
as the starting quarterback. Oh and don't worry about it.
Trevor Simeon is going to be the backup and so'll
be third.
Speaker 4 (27:18):
So he's ended up exactly where he.
Speaker 3 (27:20):
Was last the same exact and almost the same exact
time as well too. I believe it was late November
last year as well too that this happened. And so
now Zach Wilson finds him and that finds himself in
that spot. So Robert Sala, the coach of the New
York Jets, spoke with the media yesterday about the situation,
the decision in Zach Wilson's future.
Speaker 10 (27:41):
We'll god a decision to go with Temple all this week,
you know, just give him an opportunity, a different style
of quarterback. So really it's just to give him an oppornity.
See if we're cann do some of the offense.
Speaker 3 (27:52):
What will the status of Zach be this week?
Speaker 1 (27:55):
Roberts Trevor going to be the backup?
Speaker 10 (27:56):
Is that going to be the backup? All three will
be up on game day? Trevor will be the immediate backup.
Speaker 4 (28:02):
What is Zach's future with this team?
Speaker 10 (28:05):
We'll deal with it in the offseason, guys. Right now,
it's just it's really about Miami.
Speaker 3 (28:10):
You think in retrospect you should have had a more proved.
Speaker 4 (28:13):
And number two quarterback.
Speaker 10 (28:14):
No, like we said, you know, we think Zach is
incredibly talented. Felt like he'd get an opportunity to sit
behind Aaron and just learn. When you look at Zach,
he's never really had an opportunity to watch somebody play
the play the position. Joe Flacco was fantastic, Mike White
did some good things, but to just sit back and
just watch from the ground up, and that was his
opportunity with Aaron and four plays in he's back into
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the starting lineup, so he never really got to really
sit back and kind of absorb and just get that
red shirt year that you would have loved to have
given him.
Speaker 5 (28:45):
Well, it is considered the fact that, I mean, do
we forget he missed eight games half the season, right,
he didn't play for half the season last year.
Speaker 4 (28:53):
This is it bag of watch.
Speaker 2 (28:54):
Yeah, I just look, I said my piece yesterday. I'll
reiterate what that is.
Speaker 5 (29:01):
This doesn't give the Jets the best chance to win,
then this is no disrespect to Tim Boyle.
Speaker 2 (29:06):
It's not. You know, he he.
Speaker 5 (29:07):
Has started a few games back in twenty twenty one
during his time with the Detroit Lions. It didn't work out,
you know too well, and you know it's it's a
tough spot to be in for Tim Boyle, right. But
to Syle's point, I mean, he's a different quarterback. He's
not as mobile as Zach Wilson. As I can assure
you of that. Boyle was a young man, came out
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of Connecticut once at Yukon for the beginning of his career,
and then ended up transferring after that.
Speaker 2 (29:36):
I believe it was Eastern Kentucky.
Speaker 5 (29:38):
But you know, he was undrafted free agent, you know,
and it's kind of interesting to statistically speaking, you know,
looking at his you know, stats and and all that
over his career, I mean, twelve touchdowns to twenty six
interceptions through for over you know, three thousand yards for
his entire career in college, So there wasn't a ton there.
He's obviously built up a lot of equity with folks
in Green Bay who initiates with for two years, and
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then Detroit Chicago now with the Jets, and so he
gets a shot. He gets his opportunity to try to
showcase what he's capable of. The bottom line is Mike
White was able to ball this into a backup job
with the Dolphins, and so that's Tim Boyle's opportunity is
he gets a real chance to go in there, try
to play well enough to see if he could continue
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to keep finding work, whether it's to the Jets in
the future. Give him that he had previous rapport with
Aaron Rodgers, who will be back for next year, or
you know, some other team. But this does not give
the Jets a better chance of winning. I'm sorry, I
don't care how bad people think Zach Wilson's played it's
been better than what it was in previous years, and
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he gives them the best chance with his arm, talent,
his ability to move around, he still gives them the
best chance to win football games. This is just a
change for change his sake.
Speaker 3 (30:49):
And Robert Saal also said yesterday that you know he
moved there was other changes that took place, and he
rattled those off. The point is he talked about they
moved the coordinator up to the booth, they made changes
to the running back room, they made changes here over there,
and all that. It just it feels like all of
this stuff was avoidable a long time ago, and yet
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here we are, second straight year, second straight time of
the season, and now Zach Wilson is presumably the quote
unquote fall guy, when the reality is he was put
in a bad spot from the jump, and we mentioned
it yesterday. He was announced as they were going to
make him the starter to just right out of the
gate his rookie year, like that was the plan. There,
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There was no real plan. They didn't have much of
a veteran presence. They finally brought in Joe Flacco what
like five six games into the season after he was
struggling which should have probably always been the plan. So
when he's talking about red shirt year, wouldn't his rookie
year have been the red shirt year that you wanted
to give him a little bit of time to watch. True,
Like he's like talking about red shirt years.
Speaker 4 (31:54):
I just I don't.
Speaker 3 (31:55):
So it just feels like a lot of this could
have been avoided a long time ago. And now Zach
Wilson's being benched again and demoted to third string again.
Speaker 6 (32:03):
I mean the translation is he's First of all, he's
gone from New York. That's that's translation. Second, I just
can't take it anymore. Like if he if he wanted
to be real, you know, he's thinking to himself, I
just can't take him being the starter of this team anymore,
because why wouldn't you just demote him to backup? You
took him to that down the third string. He's not
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even the immediate backup.
Speaker 5 (32:27):
He'll he's the biggest injury. They don't want him to
play again. Get injured, then they can't trade him in the office. Well,
there you go, that's that's a session to this. Yeah,
well they don't want him. He's gone.
Speaker 6 (32:37):
And then now the question becomes, does he have enough
body of work or does he have enough potential because
to me, Robert Silas saying that this is an incredibly
talented kid just didn't get the opportunity to develop, says
to me, it's like, look, you want this car. I
didn't really like driving it, but you may you may
get into the driver's seat and it may be a
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total different experience to you. But you'd have to assume
he doesn't have enough success and enough body of work
to be considered to be a starting quarterback in another
franchise situation. So he's going somewhere to be basically somebody's backup. Yeah,
I mean maybe uh Rock Perty's backup, you know. I mean,
Kyle Shannon seems to do wonders of the quarterbacks, so
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maybe that's the next step in the next phase here
for Zach Wilson, who knows. But I mean, look, I mean,
Rogers is going to start practicing in what less than
two weeks from now they're talking about, and maybe he
comes back and plays late in the season. It just
it feels like we were at the fork in the
road moment for the Jets a couple of weeks ago,
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and this is just where their season's going to add, yeah, well, man,
I don't think Robert Sala is going to be on
the hot seat because I think that they want to
give him a legitimate chance with Rogers for a full season.
Speaker 3 (33:57):
But it does feel like we're rather if it doesn't
with Aaron Rodgers.
Speaker 4 (34:01):
Let me tell you something.
Speaker 6 (34:02):
Yeah, Wood, he's somewhere and he's got the same facial
expressions that Robert Salah has towards Zach Wilson.
Speaker 4 (34:08):
Wood, he has them towards Robert Salah.
Speaker 6 (34:11):
Believe that you think, so, yeah, hell yeah, if they
mess up, If they mess it up next year, when
they get Aaron Rodgers, that's over. They're blowing it up.
Speaker 5 (34:22):
I would say this, I want to see them all
make it the next year, you know, based on how
this year is gone. You know, it's always injuries that
you get owners that sometimes still want to hit the
panic button or want to make a change. And what
concerns me is they're making a change for change's sake. Now,
even though you know, I again, I don't think Tim
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Boyle is going to drastically change this offense. I do
wonder if, like where that pressure came from, if there
was Robert Saul in the locker room saying I'm losing
my locker room if I don't do something and start
making changes. If it was somewhere above that and they
said we got to do we got to do something.
So I do wonder if that's gonna be the same
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sentiment after the season, is, hey, we got to make
a change somewhere front office.
Speaker 2 (35:09):
You know, I'm saying that we have to do something.
I hope that's not the case.
Speaker 5 (35:12):
I hope they'll make it t into twenty twenty four,
a healthy Aaron Rodgers, a roster that's build up to
help support Aaron Rodgers, because I think that's one of
the best stories to see what they're capable of. But
you never know in the NFL. All mean, these owners,
they just start listening to everyone in the outside and
the media pressure and they panic and they make a
change for change's sake. And unfortunately, that's what we're seeing
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right now in New York.
Speaker 1 (35:36):
Be sure to catch live editions of Two Pros and
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Jonas Knox weekdays at six am Eastern three am Pacific.
Speaker 3 (35:47):
We've got some breaking news out of the NFL.
Speaker 1 (35:52):
Breaking news from Fox Sports.
Speaker 3 (35:54):
Well, this is exactly why you watch Big Noon kickoff
because if you're in state college a couple of weeks ago,
you would have seen a giant sign by somebody behind
Brady Quinn's shoulder that said fire Matt Canada. And that's
exactly what has happened. The Pittsburgh Steelers have announced that
Matt Canada, the offensive coordinator, has been fired. Mike Tomlin,
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in a statement posted via the Steelers social media account, wrote,
Matt Canada has been relieved of his duties as offensive coordinator.
I appreciate Matt's hard work and dedication, and I wish
him the best moving forward in his career. So after
this past weekend struggles against the Cleveland Browns, Matt Canada
out as offensive coordinatory just won't be here.
Speaker 4 (36:37):
Yeah, I wish you look at all your endeavors.
Speaker 5 (36:38):
Yeah, look, it's it's tough. You know, you fire someonet
at impacts. Obviously their family friends love all this stuff
around them. But this has been going on now for
three years. He's been the OC since twenty twenty one,
that has been Roethlisberger's final year. That team was twenty
third in the NFL and offense, they didn't get any better.
Speaker 2 (36:58):
In fact, they've only gotten worse since then.
Speaker 5 (37:00):
They're twenty third last year, and some people want to
attribute that to Kenny Pick.
Speaker 2 (37:04):
He was a rookie. He only had twelve of those
starts this year, the twenty eighth.
Speaker 5 (37:09):
It doesn't matter who's started, who's played a quarterback for them,
and yes, the roster probably still needs a little bit
of work.
Speaker 2 (37:15):
Offense will be speaking though.
Speaker 5 (37:17):
They have really really struggled under his direction, and someone's
going to take the fall for that. And the interesting
thing is when you actually come through Matt Canada's history,
you go back to twenty eighteen, he was the obviously coordinator,
obviously interim head coach too. There are ninth in the
Big Ten that year. The year before that, LSU he
was ninth in the SEC as a play caller. Really
twenty sixteen, there's a couple of years that stand out,
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and if you look at his resume, he has jumped
from team to team to team to team, I mean
literally in a ten year span. He's coached for Northern
Illinois a play caller, Wisconsin, NC State, Pittsburgh, LSU, Maryland
and then eventually on the Pittsburgh Steelers staff. Think about
that for a second. He's run through all those teams
and there's really been only a couple of years. You
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can point to pitt in twenty sixteen where they are
second the ACC and scoring, and then really Northern Illinois
you look at the MAC back in twenty eleven where
they're second in the MAC, and then his final year
at NC State, they were pretty bad early on at
NC State in twenty thirteen twenty fourteen. So it's it's
kind of odd too that he got selected for this position.
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Maybe his experience at pitt University, given that these Steelers
and Pittsburgh's share a facility and they might know each other.
Speaker 2 (38:26):
That they thought he could be the right guy for it.
Speaker 5 (38:28):
But they have really struggled offensively, and now it's more
a matter of who's calling the plays moving forward and
can they get this offense with greater productivity?
Speaker 2 (38:36):
Can they just out you out and gain a team?
Speaker 4 (38:38):
At any point in time this season, what's his relation
to Pickett? Q was he there doing or before pick.
Speaker 5 (38:45):
So Pickett didn't get there to the following year and
twenty sixteen, it was Nathan Peterman who helped lead Pittsburgh
to an eight and to five record, and that second
the acc and scoring and that offense.
Speaker 3 (38:56):
I mean, Mike Tomlins probably looking at this whole thing
going the defense like our defense keeps us in every
single game, That's what well, He's probably thinking, like if
we could get something offensively, why not the Steelers, Like
if you believe Kenny Pickett can be the guy, and
you've got George Pickens and you've got Warren and Nase
Harris and these guys like Toma's probably looking at it.
Speaker 6 (39:18):
I think Nase Harris coming out and saying what he
said in the media maybe put put a little bit
of pressure on the situation.
Speaker 4 (39:25):
Are saying that?
Speaker 3 (39:26):
Are you saying, Naja Harris got Matt Canada fired? Is
that what you're doing here? You're gonna be reckless like that?
Speaker 5 (39:31):
No, By the way, I would think Mike Solivin gets
the tab as play caller. Now I'm not positive. I
don't have any information, but uh, he's coached.
Speaker 2 (39:41):
A long time.
Speaker 5 (39:42):
He would be a guy that I think it's looked
at heavily to be the play call in this instance.
Speaker 2 (39:46):
I could be wrong. Who knows who ends up?
Speaker 6 (39:48):
Are you able to let me ask you guys this
are you able to bring because everybody names in a
rim when.
Speaker 4 (39:54):
Stuff like this happened, you could bring a guy in.
I'm about to ask.
Speaker 6 (39:56):
Can you just bring a guy in like, hey, we
were going to go get him next year if it
didn't work out anyway.
Speaker 4 (40:01):
Well, yeah, that is true.
Speaker 3 (40:04):
You think John that is true.
Speaker 4 (40:06):
You think that John Gruden.
Speaker 6 (40:07):
Is oc Is that where you're getting at LaVar huh no,
yeah no maybe Chip Kelly, well he just beat He
just beat USC though he did just beat USC though,
I'm going home, goodbye, Okay,
It's the best of two pros and a coup.
Speaker 2 (00:06):
Win.
Speaker 1 (00:07):
And Jonas Knox.
Speaker 3 (00:08):
On radio, I don't know if you guys got the
same vibe I got and and I think it was
partly because you had the teams that were playing. It
was Monday night football. You had Joe Buck and Troy
Aikman on the call. But that had that big fight
feel to it last night. Oh they did like there
(00:29):
was there was like that felt special and it was
Labar knew. I'll say this, Look, if if that's the
Super Bowl we.
Speaker 4 (00:40):
End up with again, I'll be excited. We're good.
Speaker 3 (00:43):
We run that back as many times as you want.
It was sloppy, but those are two damn good football teams.
And I don't come away from that game thinking anything
less of Kansas City other than it was kind of
like that Lions game to open up the air. If
some guys could hold onto the football, maybe we've got
a different result.
Speaker 4 (00:59):
But me, Mahomes is still the best quarterback in the NFL.
It was great.
Speaker 5 (01:05):
I mean I'm right there with that sentiment. Look, he
is the best quarterback in the NFL. It didn't work out,
didn't whin Yeah, it felt like a more of a
defensive battle, though in some ways, I think I thought
the thing that was highlighted. Granted, you know a Philly
ends up winning in the end, but it was the
Chiefs defense. It's so much better than what it's been
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in the years past, and this team is. It's just
it's a different Chiefs team as far as how they
go about, you know, winning games. I think the past
you would have said that team can outscore anyone despite
their defense, and their defense just has to make enough plays.
Speaker 2 (01:43):
Now we look at them, I'm like, man, that.
Speaker 5 (01:45):
Front can rush, they can cover down, they can make
some plays.
Speaker 2 (01:49):
It's just it's different.
Speaker 5 (01:50):
It's a different group, and as the offense still figures out,
you know who's going to be the playmakers they can
rely on outside of Kelsey. I just kind of look
at it and go, it would be great to see
this rematch. All be curious to see if both teams
can make their way through though the playoffs to make
it happen.
Speaker 2 (02:09):
I mean, the Eagles just I don't know.
Speaker 5 (02:12):
It's something about the way that team just finds ways
of winning football games. But to me, I still think
that Mahomes is the best. I just think the AFC
is so much more littered with good teams that the
Chiefs could stumble with the way this team looks, I mean,
to get shut out in the second half like that.
Give all credit to the Eagles coaching staff and obviously
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Eagles defense and all that, but it's also a side
of I think what this offense is lacking with the
Chiefs compared to what we've seen in years past.
Speaker 3 (02:41):
Would you, guys say, and as sorry to jump on
this of oar, but would you say that you trust
Philly in close games more so than any team in
the NFL, because I.
Speaker 2 (02:51):
Do trust them on fourth and one, fourth and two,
I'll tell you that much.
Speaker 6 (03:01):
I mean, we asked a question yesterday on the show,
whoever wins this game, is that the best team in
the NFL? And I think we all agreed yes. I
know I said yes. I think it did determine who
the top team in the NFL is. And you could
tell both of those teams knew what was at stake.
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You know, neither wanted to lose. And like you guys
said at the top of the show, you could feel
and you could sense the energy that was taking place
during the course of that game. I like the way
they tried to it almost looked like an old school
NFL game. They actually ran the ball and at times
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were really effective and being able to run the ball,
and they played defense. You can't ask for much more
other than to see maybe some some big time offensive plays.
But when you see two really fine teams match up,
well coached teams match up, that's what you're going to see,
and that's what you're going to get. And I was surprised.
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I was surprised that the Eagles were able to have the.
Speaker 4 (04:13):
Second half that they did.
Speaker 6 (04:15):
A J.
Speaker 3 (04:15):
Brown had one catch.
Speaker 6 (04:16):
I was surprised that they were able to pull the
game out because it looked like Kansas City kind of
had control of the game.
Speaker 4 (04:23):
Like they they're not They're not blowing.
Speaker 6 (04:26):
People out of the box with the way they play
offense this year, but there just always seems to be
a way that they figure something out on offense, and
it just seemed as though their defense did well enough
keeping keeping Jalen Hurts off off balance. I mean the
gay linebacker, you know, Chris Jones, I slide in there.
(04:51):
Uh you know, what's his name?
Speaker 4 (04:52):
Is it Rudy?
Speaker 6 (04:53):
Is it Rudy will Gay Willie Willy is a close linebackers.
Those linebackers be ball the man. Yeah, okay, that's his
last name. He's not around the field on Mary. No,
I said, I said his name. I just I just
made sure I said his name, the linebacker Gay. Well,
(05:14):
you piqued my interest. All right, Well good if you
were sleep then and I woke you. I woke you up.
We're morning show, so we're supposed to say things that
get you going.
Speaker 4 (05:23):
Uh.
Speaker 6 (05:24):
Chris Jones is a flipping animal, bron do that. I mean,
he is as amazing as it gets. I watch how
many guys. Yeah he has see you went there too.
He's been He's been big for certain, And we should
have known how big he was going to be because
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he gave us all kinds of a preview when well
he was trying to figure out you know, or they
were trying to figure out where they were going to
take him in the draft. You know, he really did
a lot at the combine to lead to him getting
to where he is right now. And and he has
not disappointed. I mean, he has played the long game
and it has paid off in his start.
Speaker 4 (06:10):
It has paid off in his start. Them.
Speaker 6 (06:13):
I think there are some pretty dominant dudes. And listen,
I think Miles Garrett right now is a runaway for
Defensive Player of the Year. But you know, obviously I
mentioned Michael Parsons. I think Aaron Donald is still having
those that type of a season. And this guy Chris Jones, man,
he's an animal like, he is a game wrecker. He
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makes a difference. That's one of those games you come
away with. You see how well they play on defense,
you see how how both teams are playing. I think
you you could see either one of those teams winning
the game. And that's what you like to see when
you see two. I didn't want to see anyone get
blown out, you know, but I was interested to see
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if the class of what I would consider the class
of the AFC deal and the new emergence of the
Philadelphia Eagles to be the class of the NFC, how
they would match up. And there is parody like AFC
is not overblown, just better than the NFC. You don't
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have to go into you know, Okay, well, who's going
to play to be second in the Super Bowl? Like
they've shown that. You know, they could have won that
game in the Super Bowl last year. And if they
were to match up with them this year, they have
the ability to be able to match up with the
top AFC because I still think they're the top AFC team.
Speaker 3 (07:35):
Kansas City was in as you mentioned, they were in control.
You know, Mahomes had the interception, like they were in
control throughout majority of the game.
Speaker 4 (07:44):
It was funny to me it.
Speaker 6 (07:44):
Would it could have got away from Philly if they
don't if they don't pick that ball.
Speaker 3 (07:48):
Yeah, And and what's what's funny to me is when
Jalen Hurts completes that long pass to DeVante Smith and
you know, he goes down at the one yard line,
it's like everybody in the stadium, including Kansas City new oh,
they're going to score right now, because it's like they
have the most unstoppable playing football, Like, oh, okay, we're just
you know, we got first and goal from the one
(08:08):
of the two yard line, had no problem. We're just
gonna push everybody in and we're going to score and
then we're going to take the lead. And now it's
on the offense to go down and get it together.
Kelsey had a drop on the final drive. Marcus Veldez
Scantling had that drop which would have been the go
ahead touchdown late on that final drive for Kansas City,
and so Patrick Mahomes afterwards was not only asked about
(08:29):
just the performance by himself and his teammates following the loss,
but also if he had any regrets about throwing to
Marcus Valdez Scantling in that spot.
Speaker 7 (08:38):
Yeah, I have no regret. I mean, the triple team Travis,
So I went to the guy that was that one
downfield and Mark west One just didn't come away with
the ball. I mean I could probably thought a little
bit short, he was that open. So yeah, he's got
to continue to try to get better and better. Defense
is keeping us in games, and if we can find
a way to just get a little bit better as
an offense, we're gonna win a lot of these games.
Speaker 3 (08:58):
I mean, I'll take my chances with man, if Mahomes
could just figure it out and the offense could figure
it out, they're gonna be okay. I'll take my chances
as opposed to defense is suspect and we got to
rely on the offense to score forty game.
Speaker 4 (09:11):
Like, I totally agree. I think they're gonna be fine.
Everything's fine in Kansas City.
Speaker 5 (09:16):
I think if you look at their schedule to the
rest of the way. I mean they go to Las
Vegas and two Green Bay and back to back.
Speaker 2 (09:23):
To back weeks.
Speaker 5 (09:24):
It won't be easy, but I think those are both
winnable games for them. They host Buffalo in week fourteen,
then at New England, Las Vegas again, Cincinnati who's Joe
Burrow Liss and then to the Los Angeles Chargers, which
depending on how that looks h it's a tough roster,
but they might not have their head coach.
Speaker 6 (09:42):
What things are going on, So Rechargers, I mean it's
they on the blink.
Speaker 4 (09:47):
They need to be plugged in.
Speaker 2 (09:49):
With that schedule, they they might lose one more game
maybe best the way.
Speaker 3 (09:54):
Yeah, Buffalo I think is the toughest game.
Speaker 2 (09:56):
So thirteen to four Vegas was a traf game.
Speaker 4 (09:59):
Though the raid is always play them tough.
Speaker 3 (10:01):
But coming off this loss, if I'm the Raiders, this
is a nightmare.
Speaker 4 (10:06):
Yeah, I feel bad, feel bad.
Speaker 6 (10:09):
But the problem that's what team we get to the playoffs.
What AFC team do you see knocking off the Chiefs that.
Speaker 2 (10:22):
I really do think it is Baltimore.
Speaker 5 (10:25):
I think Baltimore that style between their defense their offense.
If they you know, if they can actually make some plays.
It's tough to it's tough to see what they're gonna
be without Mark Andrews. He's such a key piece of
that offense. But the way they can run the football
and then lamar Co can create, and the way they've
thrown down the field, that's a team that I'm really
(10:47):
hoping we get to see in the playoffs.
Speaker 6 (10:49):
They just have been such a disappointment in the playoffs
to me.
Speaker 2 (10:54):
I know, you know, they just feels different.
Speaker 4 (10:56):
Does it feel different?
Speaker 2 (10:57):
It feels different this year?
Speaker 4 (11:00):
Take your word at.
Speaker 6 (11:00):
It, because if if it's if not Baltimore that is
the team that finally steps up and it feels different
and in the playoffs, then okay, that's a good matchup.
I can't come up with another team. I think of
it as like, yeah, Baltimore should on paper be the team.
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I mean, I had them going to the super Bowl
last season.
Speaker 3 (11:25):
Jacksonville feels like a team I don't.
Speaker 4 (11:27):
I don't feel like Jacksonville can do it. Miami. I
don't feel like Miami can do it.
Speaker 6 (11:32):
Yeah, I don't feel like I don't think their offense
can stand up for Texans. I don't feel like the
Texans can do it. I don't know if they're ready
for that. See the point, here's what I'm saying. We
could be correct on one of those teams. That's how
the NFL works, Like, that's the beauty of the National
(11:53):
Football League. A team could emerge. We could be like, Oh,
here we go, here's the start of a dynasty with
the Texans, or here we go, here's the start of
it for Jacksonville.
Speaker 4 (12:04):
That could happen.
Speaker 6 (12:05):
Hell, we could be like Buffalo woke up, the sleeping
Bison woke up and started started hertings like starting moving
across the wild land.
Speaker 4 (12:16):
We don't really know.
Speaker 6 (12:17):
I'm just saying at a look at it from from
a critical eye where we're at right now and what
we know. I just I would say Baltimore is the
only team, and I wouldn't even I wouldn't even be
confident in saying that. In the playoffs against Kansas City,
I wouldn't be confident. Do Buffalo make sound yes, like
(12:39):
with their mouth?
Speaker 4 (12:40):
Yes? Like what does it sound like? It's I mean,
I want to say it's like.
Speaker 6 (12:43):
A like it's like oh, something like that, you know
some to that effect.
Speaker 4 (12:49):
I think it's almost like a bull. They sound like
a bull.
Speaker 2 (12:56):
You guys.
Speaker 5 (12:56):
Tell me if there's anyone else I'm missing that's playing
for a Super Bowl. Chiefs, Eagles, Ravens, forty nine Ers, Lions, m.
Speaker 2 (13:12):
Cowboys. Like I said, those six.
Speaker 4 (13:16):
Teams, Yeah, we're good with that right there, thank you.
Speaker 6 (13:18):
So then we're saying that NFC is better than than
the AFC, right, I think the.
Speaker 4 (13:23):
NFC is more competitive. I think there's more three You.
Speaker 6 (13:25):
Know, we said the AFC was way more competitive than
the NFC.
Speaker 5 (13:28):
I actually don't think there's more competition. I think there's
just four teams that are potentially in the running for it.
Because after that, it's kind of like, I don't know
that anyone has a legit shot. Like the issue with
the AFC is just so many injured quarterbacks.
Speaker 3 (13:44):
If if somebody gave me the option, you can bet
on this or the field. You can bet on the
conference championship games being Ravens, Chiefs, Eagles, forty nine Ers,
or the field.
Speaker 4 (13:55):
What are you taking?
Speaker 2 (13:56):
I'm taking those bets field.
Speaker 4 (13:59):
Yeah.
Speaker 6 (14:00):
I just think that the Eagles have shown you that
their way of winning is pronounced. It's not it's not
a fluke. They win the same way. That's that's why
to me, it just seems like it's a simple They
would have to be had, and I don't the only
team I think that could possibly get through the or
(14:25):
the forty nine ers, they're the only ones that could
get through the Eagles. That's it, call it a rap,
but the rest of them. I don't believe Dallas can
stand up to the Eagles.
Speaker 4 (14:33):
I do not.
Speaker 6 (14:35):
I don't think that there's any other team in the
NFC that could stand up to the Eagles because the
way they play, they are so physical and the only
other team that I can think of that would have
enough talent and I'm not so sure that party can
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stand up against that that Eagles defense in a playoff game.
For the entire game, I would love to see the rematch.
Speaker 4 (15:01):
We're gonna find out in two weeks. Well, they knocked
his ass right on at.
Speaker 2 (15:04):
It fourteen though.
Speaker 5 (15:05):
Week fourteen, that's where you got Kansas City Buffalo, and
you've got the Eagles sticking on the Cowboys.
Speaker 6 (15:11):
Yeah, ohh, I would love that's That's gonna be a
good week up and phi Philly's upcoming schedule is not
not easy.
Speaker 3 (15:18):
I mean, they've got Buffalo then they've got the Niners.
They're at Dallas, they're at Seattle.
Speaker 6 (15:23):
I will say Dallas has looked good, though they have
looked good, and that game of them playing the Eagles,
that should be a legit preview of which team is
the best team in the NFC outside of the forty
nine ers. You'll get You'll get a tall tale of
what the tape will be. How does Dallas matchup? Does
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that secondary still look as good? Does that defense still
look as good dan Quinn's defense? Do they still look
as good against the type of offense that that Philly is.
And keep in mind, Jalen Hurts is still trying to
get back to one hundred percent. He looked better last night,
but not You can tell he's not all the way
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there now.
Speaker 4 (16:08):
I don't know if that's going to be the rest of.
Speaker 6 (16:09):
The season, and it's not a full speed Jalen Hurts,
but I would assume each week that goes by, he's
going to feel better and better with that knee and
he's going to speed up a little bit more just
based off of the health. If that is the case,
then that's a different Philly team because that's still an
element that's missing for this team. He's not running quite
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he's not moving quite as deliberate and as fast as
he would is if he's a healthy, healthy Jalen hurts. So,
I think that'll be a big test. That's going to
be a major, major indicator if you ask me, and
you look at the Dallas Dallas, the way they're playing
right now and the balance that they have. I would
have never thought i'd say that, but it will to
(16:51):
me dictate if I look at them as a true
contender hitting into the playoffs on board. I mean, it's crazy.
I'm not a bandwagon dude. Michael Parsons due, so really
pool for him, Mike, Yeah, but you know it's kind
of hard to root for them on many, many different levels.
Speaker 4 (17:07):
Yeah.
Speaker 6 (17:07):
Well, we're taking the personal out of it, you know.
I think they look they look pretty competitive.
Speaker 1 (17:12):
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Speaker 3 (18:08):
Important show note here behind the scenes, Lead the Lap
received a phone call just a few moments ago, and
you're probably thinking to yourself, what's a big deal. Well,
it wasn't even four in the morning out here on
the West Coast on a Tuesday. So Lee, who was
calling you just before four in the morning on a Tuesday.
Speaker 2 (18:27):
Oh?
Speaker 8 (18:28):
I can give you a guess and you probably get
it in the first guest right there, that would be
mister Todd.
Speaker 9 (18:34):
Todd was giving me a call wondering what day it was.
Speaker 4 (18:37):
Wow.
Speaker 8 (18:38):
Last I talked to you, guys, I told you I
had skipped out on the game day festivities with Todd
and his brothers going to the Seahawks Rams game. It's
a good thing I did, because apparently they time traveled
till about two hours ago.
Speaker 4 (18:54):
Time travel two hours.
Speaker 3 (18:56):
So he knows that you're working and he called to
ask what you're doing.
Speaker 4 (19:00):
While you were on air? By the way, what are you.
Speaker 3 (19:02):
Doing for Thanksgiving?
Speaker 9 (19:04):
What am I doing for Thanksgiving?
Speaker 3 (19:05):
Well, you're invited, buddy at three fifty five in the morning. Yeah,
why not a couple of days I.
Speaker 2 (19:10):
Don't have them on. Can we have Todd discuss all this?
Speaker 9 (19:14):
I can probably give him a call.
Speaker 5 (19:15):
Yeah, come on, I means doesn't want it, but I'm
curious to hear the story from his side.
Speaker 6 (19:20):
I would love to hear time travel even sounds like
from Todd.
Speaker 4 (19:26):
Yeah, yes, absolutely.
Speaker 6 (19:28):
I mean Lee was laid back at it, one hand
on his head, had the phone up, like was having
really I.
Speaker 9 (19:34):
Thought it was a different conversation with a different person.
Speaker 3 (19:36):
You and I were trying to guess, like clearly talking clearly.
Speaker 4 (19:39):
That was the right that was the right call.
Speaker 3 (19:42):
Yeah, now we are going to time travel a little
bit for you guys. Here Brady Quinn and lebar Arrington
brought up chee Cheese Mexican restaurant.
Speaker 4 (19:51):
That's very true.
Speaker 3 (19:52):
So there was a deep dive research wise what happened
to chee Cheese Mexican restaurant.
Speaker 4 (19:57):
They're not around anymore.
Speaker 3 (19:59):
Do you have an up to eight in the words
of Robert Stack for what happened to Chi Cheese from
years ago?
Speaker 4 (20:04):
That's right.
Speaker 9 (20:04):
Multitask and checking out.
Speaker 8 (20:06):
I went back and looked at che Cheese history and
why they decided to file for bankruptcy back in two
thousand and two. It turns out it was because of
a hepatitis a breakout in Beaver, Pennsylvania that was traced
back to their green onions in their che cheese salsa. Salsification,
by the way, was a trademarked by Chi Chese salsification.
Speaker 9 (20:28):
I don't know what that meant, but yeah, their.
Speaker 8 (20:31):
Green onions in their chee cheese salsa led to a
deadly outbreak of more than at least four deaths in
the Pennsylvania area.
Speaker 5 (20:40):
I'm glad, okay, I mean, so they couldn't survive that, huh.
Speaker 2 (20:45):
No.
Speaker 8 (20:45):
Apparently Outback Steakhouse bought the bought the company, converted all
the che Cheese restaurant and.
Speaker 5 (20:53):
Then they took it down under I'll be here all week,
flas Baby. That was served up like a blooming onion.
Speaker 3 (21:17):
I'm glad you guys got out of there live, eat
and walk out with a good for you.
Speaker 4 (21:22):
I mean, I think.
Speaker 2 (21:27):
Probably made stronger.
Speaker 5 (21:28):
You know, you might have battled through some batters went
on there.
Speaker 4 (21:31):
Maybe we went there quite a bit.
Speaker 2 (21:35):
Trust me, that place was wild. It was so much fun.
Speaker 6 (21:37):
I'm gonna throw another one at you, Q Ponderosa Oh steakhouse.
Speaker 2 (21:44):
Yeah, but it's like a buff.
Speaker 5 (21:46):
I can't even I can't even share my experience one time.
Speaker 2 (21:49):
I just I'll put it this way. We went there
after a uh we went.
Speaker 5 (21:54):
There after a spring break baseball tournament, and uh, it
all all came right back.
Speaker 3 (22:01):
Oh was that the Jack Daniels. Is that when you
found out you were allergic?
Speaker 2 (22:05):
No, I'm not allergic to Jack Danel.
Speaker 4 (22:07):
No, you were drinking Jack Daniels.
Speaker 3 (22:09):
You found out you were allergic to shellfish.
Speaker 5 (22:12):
Yeah, Yeah, that was different. That was Yeah, that was
when I was I was in Southeast for that one. Yeah,
that was stone crab season. Possibly the greatest thing I've
ever tasted. And my face blew up like Will Smith
in the movie Hitch.
Speaker 4 (22:27):
Get out of Here.
Speaker 5 (22:29):
I walk I remember I was sitting next to Eric
Winston and I remember I walked back to the table.
Speaker 2 (22:33):
He was like, did you just get a fight? I
was like, what do you mean? I was like, my
face feels itchy.
Speaker 5 (22:37):
He goes dude to shellfish. I'm like, sorry, man, I'm
from the Midwest. We were meeting potatoes type family and
he's like, he need to go get you some ben
and drill stat I said, okay, So we're like running
into a CBS like I'm pounding ben and dryl drinking.
He's like, all right, let's go to my buddy spot.
Let's get some drinks before we go out. I'm like, okay,
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had no idea. Yeah, this is how ignorant I was,
especially in college like that. Obviously, alcohol counteracts and of histamy.
So I put a hat on, rolled out, end up
going to the Cleveland. That was a fun time. You were,
ironically enough, someone else puked up a shot. Wow, a
lot of puke.
Speaker 6 (23:17):
You know those stone crabs that that those claws, they
only chop off one and they throw the crab back.
Speaker 4 (23:25):
Did you know that? Yeah, they chop off one.
Speaker 6 (23:27):
Of those big ass crab claws that you get at Joe's.
Speaker 4 (23:32):
And they they throw them back.
Speaker 2 (23:35):
I feel like that's I mean, is that worse? Does
it grow back?
Speaker 6 (23:38):
I think it grows back. Okay, I think they regenerate.
But but just to keep the population healthy, that makes.
Speaker 5 (23:45):
Sense then, But I do feel bad for the stone
crab that period of time, like these a holes are
just gonna pick us up, chop off a claw, and
throw us back. Now I got a deal with not
having a claw for the next year.
Speaker 4 (23:56):
Let me look up if their and then they're gonna.
Speaker 2 (23:58):
Do it again the next year. Is that what you're saying. Yeah,
imagine if someone did that to you.
Speaker 3 (24:03):
Oh no, I don't know they Mark. I don't worry abody.
We're coming back for the others.
Speaker 5 (24:09):
I guess it's better than like the lobsters that sit
in those tanks that are like at the restaurant.
Speaker 4 (24:14):
Yeah, they definitely look at them, looking them. You know,
he's added there.
Speaker 5 (24:19):
Yeah, imagine like that got turned around like you're in
a glass case and everyone's just pointed.
Speaker 2 (24:23):
You like I'm gonna eat you. Yeah.
Speaker 4 (24:26):
Yeah, I don't.
Speaker 3 (24:26):
I don't want to see the process. But it's tasty.
I mean it is it's good, you can get.
Speaker 6 (24:31):
It stone crabs is returning them to the water. I
don't even know that work purportedly to regenerate that so
it does regenerate their claws.
Speaker 3 (24:43):
I just think of just growing back.
Speaker 4 (24:45):
Yeah, everybody hold on.
Speaker 6 (24:49):
A FWC study found that approximatentally for the crabs died
the one claw was torn off, nearly two thirds died
when bow claws were removed.
Speaker 3 (25:01):
Oh yeah, but there is hope. There's a turkey walking
around somewhere in a farm going, hey man, we got
like two days, so enjoy what you can here. And
meanwhile they're throwing crabs back in. They're growing their limbs back.
Speaker 4 (25:12):
See there's hope.
Speaker 2 (25:13):
Yeah, that's all. I could never have been a farmer
to raise that stuff.
Speaker 5 (25:16):
I could just I could never raise something and feeding
them be like, well that day someone's got to eat.
Speaker 4 (25:22):
Try to explain to that to your girls when they
get older.
Speaker 5 (25:25):
Trust, we've already we've already been to some different you know,
little farms or pet animals and all that, and then
they tried, you know, they tried something for the first time.
Speaker 2 (25:35):
What's that. Well, it's kind of like the animals you
just pay.
Speaker 3 (25:38):
Hey, daddy, what happened to my turkey?
Speaker 4 (25:39):
Check your lunch?
Speaker 6 (25:41):
You know what, in the South they call the fish,
the little little lobsters crawlfish. They call them crawfish. But
where we're from, we call them crayfish. Did you call
them crayfish? In Ohio? Call them crawdads?
Speaker 4 (25:55):
Out here? Crawl dad.
Speaker 5 (25:56):
I'll be honest with you again, I was not very
cultured when it is this sort of thing, so I
only knew them as crawlfish.
Speaker 2 (26:05):
So that's that's how.
Speaker 4 (26:07):
You could catch them.
Speaker 6 (26:08):
You could catch them in like little creeks, and they
were We called them crayfish, but they were there crawlfish,
I guess.
Speaker 2 (26:16):
I mean.
Speaker 6 (26:16):
But anyway, yeah, we never knew that I'd end up
eating them. By the way, I've had crawlfish. They're really
good too.
Speaker 4 (26:24):
Listen. I mean, I think, uh, well, there you go.
This way to start the show.
Speaker 3 (26:30):
I'm just telling you that's the way to start of
the hour. So thoughts and prayers out to chee cheese,
Mexican restling. That's kind of jack and whatever. Crab Whenever
crabs don't survive that amputation, that sucks.
Speaker 5 (26:40):
This one because it feels like you're you're when you
get bench as a quarterback, you get amputated.
Speaker 2 (26:45):
Right.
Speaker 3 (26:46):
Oh, that's a great point, especially when it feels like
it's the same thing that happened last year, Like these
crabs just kept going back in, you know, because Zach Wilson,
Zach Wilson is growing into his for a second year
in a row. He his role is the third quarterback
on the team. That is now the situation there with
the New York Jets, Robert Sala announcing yesterday, so look,
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we're gonna go ahead and we're gonna announce Tim Boyle
as the starting quarterback. Oh and don't worry about it.
Trevor Simeon is going to be the backup and so'll
be third.
Speaker 4 (27:18):
So he's ended up exactly where he.
Speaker 3 (27:20):
Was last the same exact and almost the same exact
time as well too. I believe it was late November
last year as well too that this happened. And so
now Zach Wilson finds him and that finds himself in
that spot. So Robert Sala, the coach of the New
York Jets, spoke with the media yesterday about the situation,
the decision in Zach Wilson's future.
Speaker 10 (27:41):
We'll god a decision to go with Temple all this week,
you know, just give him an opportunity, a different style
of quarterback. So really it's just to give him an oppornity.
See if we're cann do some of the offense.
Speaker 3 (27:52):
What will the status of Zach be this week?
Speaker 1 (27:55):
Roberts Trevor going to be the backup?
Speaker 10 (27:56):
Is that going to be the backup? All three will
be up on game day? Trevor will be the immediate backup.
Speaker 4 (28:02):
What is Zach's future with this team?
Speaker 10 (28:05):
We'll deal with it in the offseason, guys. Right now,
it's just it's really about Miami.
Speaker 3 (28:10):
You think in retrospect you should have had a more proved.
Speaker 4 (28:13):
And number two quarterback.
Speaker 10 (28:14):
No, like we said, you know, we think Zach is
incredibly talented. Felt like he'd get an opportunity to sit
behind Aaron and just learn. When you look at Zach,
he's never really had an opportunity to watch somebody play
the play the position. Joe Flacco was fantastic, Mike White
did some good things, but to just sit back and
just watch from the ground up, and that was his
opportunity with Aaron and four plays in he's back into
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the starting lineup, so he never really got to really
sit back and kind of absorb and just get that
red shirt year that you would have loved to have
given him.
Speaker 5 (28:45):
Well, it is considered the fact that, I mean, do
we forget he missed eight games half the season, right,
he didn't play for half the season last year.
Speaker 4 (28:53):
This is it bag of watch.
Speaker 2 (28:54):
Yeah, I just look, I said my piece yesterday. I'll
reiterate what that is.
Speaker 5 (29:01):
This doesn't give the Jets the best chance to win,
then this is no disrespect to Tim Boyle.
Speaker 2 (29:06):
It's not. You know, he he.
Speaker 5 (29:07):
Has started a few games back in twenty twenty one
during his time with the Detroit Lions. It didn't work out,
you know too well, and you know it's it's a
tough spot to be in for Tim Boyle, right. But
to Syle's point, I mean, he's a different quarterback. He's
not as mobile as Zach Wilson. As I can assure
you of that. Boyle was a young man, came out
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of Connecticut once at Yukon for the beginning of his career,
and then ended up transferring after that.
Speaker 2 (29:36):
I believe it was Eastern Kentucky.
Speaker 5 (29:38):
But you know, he was undrafted free agent, you know,
and it's kind of interesting to statistically speaking, you know,
looking at his you know, stats and and all that
over his career, I mean, twelve touchdowns to twenty six
interceptions through for over you know, three thousand yards for
his entire career in college, So there wasn't a ton there.
He's obviously built up a lot of equity with folks
in Green Bay who initiates with for two years, and
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then Detroit Chicago now with the Jets, and so he
gets a shot. He gets his opportunity to try to
showcase what he's capable of. The bottom line is Mike
White was able to ball this into a backup job
with the Dolphins, and so that's Tim Boyle's opportunity is
he gets a real chance to go in there, try
to play well enough to see if he could continue
(30:20):
to keep finding work, whether it's to the Jets in
the future. Give him that he had previous rapport with
Aaron Rodgers, who will be back for next year, or
you know, some other team. But this does not give
the Jets a better chance of winning. I'm sorry, I
don't care how bad people think Zach Wilson's played it's
been better than what it was in previous years, and
(30:41):
he gives them the best chance with his arm, talent,
his ability to move around, he still gives them the
best chance to win football games. This is just a
change for change his sake.
Speaker 3 (30:49):
And Robert Saal also said yesterday that you know he
moved there was other changes that took place, and he
rattled those off. The point is he talked about they
moved the coordinator up to the booth, they made changes
to the running back room, they made changes here over there,
and all that. It just it feels like all of
this stuff was avoidable a long time ago, and yet
(31:12):
here we are, second straight year, second straight time of
the season, and now Zach Wilson is presumably the quote
unquote fall guy, when the reality is he was put
in a bad spot from the jump, and we mentioned
it yesterday. He was announced as they were going to
make him the starter to just right out of the
gate his rookie year, like that was the plan. There,
(31:33):
There was no real plan. They didn't have much of
a veteran presence. They finally brought in Joe Flacco what
like five six games into the season after he was
struggling which should have probably always been the plan. So
when he's talking about red shirt year, wouldn't his rookie
year have been the red shirt year that you wanted
to give him a little bit of time to watch. True,
Like he's like talking about red shirt years.
Speaker 4 (31:54):
I just I don't.
Speaker 3 (31:55):
So it just feels like a lot of this could
have been avoided a long time ago. And now Zach
Wilson's being benched again and demoted to third string again.
Speaker 6 (32:03):
I mean the translation is he's First of all, he's
gone from New York. That's that's translation. Second, I just
can't take it anymore. Like if he if he wanted
to be real, you know, he's thinking to himself, I
just can't take him being the starter of this team anymore,
because why wouldn't you just demote him to backup? You
took him to that down the third string. He's not
(32:25):
even the immediate backup.
Speaker 5 (32:27):
He'll he's the biggest injury. They don't want him to
play again. Get injured, then they can't trade him in the office. Well,
there you go, that's that's a session to this. Yeah,
well they don't want him. He's gone.
Speaker 6 (32:37):
And then now the question becomes, does he have enough
body of work or does he have enough potential because
to me, Robert Silas saying that this is an incredibly
talented kid just didn't get the opportunity to develop, says
to me, it's like, look, you want this car. I
didn't really like driving it, but you may you may
get into the driver's seat and it may be a
(32:59):
total different experience to you. But you'd have to assume
he doesn't have enough success and enough body of work
to be considered to be a starting quarterback in another
franchise situation. So he's going somewhere to be basically somebody's backup. Yeah,
I mean maybe uh Rock Perty's backup, you know. I mean,
Kyle Shannon seems to do wonders of the quarterbacks, so
(33:21):
maybe that's the next step in the next phase here
for Zach Wilson, who knows. But I mean, look, I mean,
Rogers is going to start practicing in what less than
two weeks from now they're talking about, and maybe he
comes back and plays late in the season. It just
it feels like we were at the fork in the
road moment for the Jets a couple of weeks ago,
(33:43):
and this is just where their season's going to add, yeah, well, man,
I don't think Robert Sala is going to be on
the hot seat because I think that they want to
give him a legitimate chance with Rogers for a full season.
Speaker 3 (33:57):
But it does feel like we're rather if it doesn't
with Aaron Rodgers.
Speaker 4 (34:01):
Let me tell you something.
Speaker 6 (34:02):
Yeah, Wood, he's somewhere and he's got the same facial
expressions that Robert Salah has towards Zach Wilson.
Speaker 4 (34:08):
Wood, he has them towards Robert Salah.
Speaker 6 (34:11):
Believe that you think, so, yeah, hell yeah, if they
mess up, If they mess it up next year, when
they get Aaron Rodgers, that's over. They're blowing it up.
Speaker 5 (34:22):
I would say this, I want to see them all
make it the next year, you know, based on how
this year is gone. You know, it's always injuries that
you get owners that sometimes still want to hit the
panic button or want to make a change. And what
concerns me is they're making a change for change's sake. Now,
even though you know, I again, I don't think Tim
(34:43):
Boyle is going to drastically change this offense. I do
wonder if, like where that pressure came from, if there
was Robert Saul in the locker room saying I'm losing
my locker room if I don't do something and start
making changes. If it was somewhere above that and they
said we got to do we got to do something.
So I do wonder if that's gonna be the same
(35:05):
sentiment after the season, is, hey, we got to make
a change somewhere front office.
Speaker 2 (35:09):
You know, I'm saying that we have to do something.
I hope that's not the case.
Speaker 5 (35:12):
I hope they'll make it t into twenty twenty four,
a healthy Aaron Rodgers, a roster that's build up to
help support Aaron Rodgers, because I think that's one of
the best stories to see what they're capable of. But
you never know in the NFL. All mean, these owners,
they just start listening to everyone in the outside and
the media pressure and they panic and they make a
change for change's sake. And unfortunately, that's what we're seeing
(35:34):
right now in New York.
Speaker 1 (35:36):
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Speaker 3 (35:47):
We've got some breaking news out of the NFL.
Speaker 1 (35:52):
Breaking news from Fox Sports.
Speaker 3 (35:54):
Well, this is exactly why you watch Big Noon kickoff
because if you're in state college a couple of weeks ago,
you would have seen a giant sign by somebody behind
Brady Quinn's shoulder that said fire Matt Canada. And that's
exactly what has happened. The Pittsburgh Steelers have announced that
Matt Canada, the offensive coordinator, has been fired. Mike Tomlin,
(36:16):
in a statement posted via the Steelers social media account, wrote,
Matt Canada has been relieved of his duties as offensive coordinator.
I appreciate Matt's hard work and dedication, and I wish
him the best moving forward in his career. So after
this past weekend struggles against the Cleveland Browns, Matt Canada
out as offensive coordinatory just won't be here.
Speaker 4 (36:37):
Yeah, I wish you look at all your endeavors.
Speaker 5 (36:38):
Yeah, look, it's it's tough. You know, you fire someonet
at impacts. Obviously their family friends love all this stuff
around them. But this has been going on now for
three years. He's been the OC since twenty twenty one,
that has been Roethlisberger's final year. That team was twenty
third in the NFL and offense, they didn't get any better.
Speaker 2 (36:58):
In fact, they've only gotten worse since then.
Speaker 5 (37:00):
They're twenty third last year, and some people want to
attribute that to Kenny Pick.
Speaker 2 (37:04):
He was a rookie. He only had twelve of those
starts this year, the twenty eighth.
Speaker 5 (37:09):
It doesn't matter who's started, who's played a quarterback for them,
and yes, the roster probably still needs a little bit
of work.
Speaker 2 (37:15):
Offense will be speaking though.
Speaker 5 (37:17):
They have really really struggled under his direction, and someone's
going to take the fall for that. And the interesting
thing is when you actually come through Matt Canada's history,
you go back to twenty eighteen, he was the obviously coordinator,
obviously interim head coach too. There are ninth in the
Big Ten that year. The year before that, LSU he
was ninth in the SEC as a play caller. Really
twenty sixteen, there's a couple of years that stand out,
(37:38):
and if you look at his resume, he has jumped
from team to team to team to team, I mean
literally in a ten year span. He's coached for Northern
Illinois a play caller, Wisconsin, NC State, Pittsburgh, LSU, Maryland
and then eventually on the Pittsburgh Steelers staff. Think about
that for a second. He's run through all those teams
and there's really been only a couple of years. You
(37:58):
can point to pitt in twenty sixteen where they are
second the ACC and scoring, and then really Northern Illinois
you look at the MAC back in twenty eleven where
they're second in the MAC, and then his final year
at NC State, they were pretty bad early on at
NC State in twenty thirteen twenty fourteen. So it's it's
kind of odd too that he got selected for this position.
(38:19):
Maybe his experience at pitt University, given that these Steelers
and Pittsburgh's share a facility and they might know each other.
Speaker 2 (38:26):
That they thought he could be the right guy for it.
Speaker 5 (38:28):
But they have really struggled offensively, and now it's more
a matter of who's calling the plays moving forward and
can they get this offense with greater productivity?
Speaker 2 (38:36):
Can they just out you out and gain a team?
Speaker 4 (38:38):
At any point in time this season, what's his relation
to Pickett? Q was he there doing or before pick.
Speaker 5 (38:45):
So Pickett didn't get there to the following year and
twenty sixteen, it was Nathan Peterman who helped lead Pittsburgh
to an eight and to five record, and that second
the acc and scoring and that offense.
Speaker 3 (38:56):
I mean, Mike Tomlins probably looking at this whole thing
going the defense like our defense keeps us in every
single game, That's what well, He's probably thinking, like if
we could get something offensively, why not the Steelers, Like
if you believe Kenny Pickett can be the guy, and
you've got George Pickens and you've got Warren and Nase
Harris and these guys like Toma's probably looking at it.
Speaker 6 (39:18):
I think Nase Harris coming out and saying what he
said in the media maybe put put a little bit
of pressure on the situation.
Speaker 4 (39:25):
Are saying that?
Speaker 3 (39:26):
Are you saying, Naja Harris got Matt Canada fired? Is
that what you're doing here? You're gonna be reckless like that?
Speaker 5 (39:31):
No, By the way, I would think Mike Solivin gets
the tab as play caller. Now I'm not positive. I
don't have any information, but uh, he's coached.
Speaker 2 (39:41):
A long time.
Speaker 5 (39:42):
He would be a guy that I think it's looked
at heavily to be the play call in this instance.
Speaker 2 (39:46):
I could be wrong. Who knows who ends up?
Speaker 6 (39:48):
Are you able to let me ask you guys this
are you able to bring because everybody names in a
rim when.
Speaker 4 (39:54):
Stuff like this happened, you could bring a guy in.
I'm about to ask.
Speaker 6 (39:56):
Can you just bring a guy in like, hey, we
were going to go get him next year if it
didn't work out anyway.
Speaker 4 (40:01):
Well, yeah, that is true.
Speaker 3 (40:04):
You think John that is true.
Speaker 4 (40:06):
You think that John Gruden.
Speaker 6 (40:07):
Is oc Is that where you're getting at LaVar huh no,
yeah no maybe Chip Kelly, well he just beat He
just beat USC though he did just beat USC though,
I'm going home, goodbye, Okay,
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