November 23, 2023 • 45 mins
Today on the Best of 2 Pros With a Cup of Joe the guys break down the Thanksgiving NFL games and give us their best bets, they talk Colts Owner Jim Irsay's comments on him being the victim, & finally the guys talk college football!
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
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Speaker 2 (00:13):
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Thanksgiving to you, Jeff Schwartz. Anything crazy plan today?
Speaker 3 (00:44):
Uh No, I don't think so. I mean watching what
ten hours of continuous football is there? Is it crazy?
It feels like a regular Sunday to me here Saturday
for me, or I mean this week it's sweezy Thursday, Friday,
Saturday Sunday. It's like it's a full four day fest
of football. NFL college football. My duck's got a big
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game tomorrow night. Your Irish are gonna pound on this
on the poor stand for Cardinal this weekend, and we've
NFL to watch. So your team has a black Friday game.
My chiefs. I don't know what what. They can move
the ball anyone right now. So I'm watching football this week.
But they making a turkey today Friday. A turkey, got
a bunch of sides, and then I'll just eat the
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turkey till there's zero meat on the bone for next
three or four days. Yeah, it's just living the dream,
how about you?
Speaker 2 (01:31):
That is a great game plan. It's pretty much the same.
I came home to see family in South Bend, so
be hanging out with them all day today. Very much
looking forward to it. And like you said, man, it
is a ball buffet, not just today, but for today.
Speaker 3 (01:47):
A ball buffet. And who Brian and you got you
got other sports too, which I haven't pay as much
attention to, but they're on as well, do you guys?
As your family, I imagine the day fans.
Speaker 2 (02:01):
Yeah yeah, yeah, like my dad, especially my mom also,
but my sister doesn't care about sports at all. What's
up with that?
Speaker 3 (02:08):
So is it like Rudy for you guys on game day?
You guys just sit for the TV and take cans.
You're irish.
Speaker 2 (02:15):
You know, it's weird because I've been I've lived all
over the country just with radio stuff. So most of
the time I'm not around. So when I am, we've
gone to games at times, and then I'm having a
hard time remembering what game day is like when I
am around, right, Like, yeah, so I don't know. We
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watch at times. But let me ask you this before
we get to the games today, because I'm glad that
you started off on the right foot talking about you're
all in on turkey? What do you make of these
people that bad mouth turkey. There's it's a growing trend
over the last handfully.
Speaker 3 (02:56):
Because that's why, because you get to you get social
media points for for being I I don't like turkey,
No one, you never eat turkey otherwise I'm like, I
have make turkey sandwiches all the time. What are we
talking about? Yeah, I don't think I have a fried
turkey leg, but I have turkey legs throughout the season
at the time, I mean throughout the year. At times,
I make them go to disney Land, grow myself a
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turkey leg like I I eat. It's because people want
to be trendy. They just want they want to be like,
oh ha ha, I'm ago, I'm too good for them.
For Thanksgiving you know, I I got extra turkey parts
to fry. I like the turkey. That's what I enjoy eating.
I am not a dessert person. I'm not sure to
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have the turkey the dessert. But then the other trendy
thing too Brian to do is just to bash desserts,
even though I will say that that a lot of
dessert if it has a fruit in it, it's kind
of gross. But people get really angry and offended if
you like have the wrong take about about pie and stuff.
It's just like guys, everyone eats their own food. Just
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let them be. Let him be. I like the turkey.
I'm gonna fry. It tastes it's right now. It's dry,
brunning in the fridge. So I injected it last night
with creole butter, and then I overnight I salted on
the outside, you know, like a little salt, pepper, rosemary,
and then I so it dries out in the fridge overnight. Yeah,
it's uncovered. So it's uncovered in the fridge overnight, and
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then today when I put in the fryer, the skin
should be even crispirits. It's delicious.
Speaker 2 (04:25):
Sounds tremendous right there, Like for anybody out there that
has never had a deep fried turkey, man, you are
missing out. It is a tremendous experience right there.
Speaker 3 (04:36):
So it takes you know, a thirteen pound turkey, it
takes fifteen minutes to cook. Yeah, it's it's like it's perfect.
So it's a perfect it's a perfect way to consume,
you know, your food.
Speaker 2 (04:49):
What do you think as we look at the NFL
games today? Of the three games, which one do you
think is the crescendo, if you will, right, the most
bang for your buck, the most drama, this is the
highlight of let's think of your Thanksgiving meal, right whatever
your favorite you know, portion or side is. Which game
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do you think is that today?
Speaker 3 (05:13):
I've been thinking about this, Brian, because we have a
show with you on Sundays, Can'tain to Kickoff where we
discuss the gambling, you know, parts of the NFL National
Football League, And I imagine that a lot of people
wake up today. I want to wager on the games,
right as everyone does. Yeah, and they're gonna see the
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point spreads for a lot of these games and they're
gonna go. You know what I can do today, I
can money line? Yeah, Lions Cowboys, Niners, All right, I
can part money line parlay these three teams, and so
my idea is, like, who's gonna lose. I'm going to
ruin the money line parlay, that's right. And the easy answer,
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I think it's I think it's Seattle. But I have
the Niners minus seven in my contest this week, so
I hope it's not that. I hope it's not Seattle.
I think just with Gino Smith. He's playing, but like,
you know, how how healthy is he? I think Christian McCaffrey,
I think is sort of beat up to though, and
you know, and and I just don't. I don't know,
like if no, no, actually sorry, it's not it's not
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it's not McCaffrey, it's a different he's fine. So I
got to text out someone about McCarthy. That's not macaf
that's not McCaffrey. So I just I don't know. My
My best guess is one of the first of the
two early games, right, and the Cowboys are historically awful
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against the spread. On Thanksgiving they are one and I
think one for the last twelve, covering Thanksgiving one and
eleven the last twelve Thanksgivings because he's the line is
thirteen and a half.
Speaker 2 (06:57):
Raays that's a ton of points because.
Speaker 3 (07:00):
The Washington is very feisty in offense, and I think
it's probably like Sam Howe doing insane things today, right
and winning the game for them. That that's my that's
my guess as for the upset, because the Packers are
playing better but still can't really score. If you look
at there, you know it's twenty, it's thirty, it's it's
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twenty three. Like that to me is not going to
cut against the Lions again at night if if you know,
if if Geo Smith is an all beat up, there's not.
They're not gonna being Drew Lock. You watch them last
week like like get out of here, right, So it
does feel like it's that it's that game though, right,
like it's the middle game where Washington just has a
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Sam Howe you know, three fifty performance, no no turnovers
and like just right, the Cowboys get tight in a
close game with they don't play a lot of them.
Does it feel like that to you?
Speaker 2 (07:55):
Yeah, I could see that. I look at it. Where
look man, Sam Howell leads the league in passing yards.
He leads the league in passing attempts. They just air
it out and it's a divisional game. It's an interesting
spot because the Cowboys have been crushing bad teams this year,
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and so you could look at it from that standpoint
and say, well, here we go again. They're probably gonna
crush Washington, who just got worked by the Giants last week,
you know. But on the flip side of it, they
just they don't have anything to lose, and they just
came off an embarrassing performance. They could do to the
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Cowboys what the Giants just did to them, you know
what I mean. Where you look at the Giants, they
were completely embarrassed the week prior, and then they come
out and they put it on Washington. I just think
that is a ton of points. I don't know that
Washington comes out and wins outright like the Giants did
last week against them, but I think they've got enough
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firepower to keep it within thirteen. Thirteen's a ton of
points in the NFL.
Speaker 3 (09:05):
It's a lot of points, especially when it went from
you know where was that at opened? To ten like
it end. Think about this though, Brian, the commanders, I
keep on want to call them the R words. Still,
it was just never it never gets Okay, So they
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were nine point favorites, I believe nine and a half
of it's the Giants, and one week they the point
the points been for their game is twenty points different. Wow, right,
they went from nine points to thirteen is underdog? They're
not that That feels like an extreme overreaction.
Speaker 2 (09:45):
That, Yeah, that's a huge overreaction.
Speaker 3 (09:48):
Part of it, I would imagine, is because and fairly
enough that like the Cowboys have shown this year outside
of the Arizona game, that they just destroy destroy Yeah,
bad football teams, right, I mean they've covered, They covered
ten and a half of the road last weekning with ease,
and so there's that idea that and they're really they're
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bill because they're their defense is about to rush the
passer when you are behind and passable so much that's
like that's they get after it, right, They're get after
and so they certainly think that that's in play here.
But still, I mean they could win this game with ease,
you know, thirty one twenty and not cover. Yeah, thirty
won twenty one, and that's not a cover. So from
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a Gamwai perspective, you take Washington plus the thirteen thirteen
and a half. Who wins out right in this who
ruins the moneyline parlay today? I don't know, buddy, Yeah,
I know.
Speaker 2 (10:43):
I think about the Lions. They were they should have
lost last week to Chicago.
Speaker 3 (10:47):
Yeah, but I think that to me that I mean,
you know that happens every now that are good teams
play those games? Right?
Speaker 2 (10:54):
Yeah? Absolutely? And I'm not telling you I'm rushing to
the betting window to take the Packers' money line here.
But it seems like someone's gonna mess this up if
you just go straight favorites all across the board to
win outright. It feels like someone's gonna come up short.
Certainly if you went every favorite minus the points. I
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don't see that working out in all three games.
Speaker 3 (11:19):
No, said the one I wagered on today, I mean,
like officially wagered on. I'm sure I'll put money on
every game at some point today is you know Niners
minus seven? I think that. You know, I'm not always
a big fan of taking the road team in a
divisional game like this, but I just think when the
Niners have a little bit of a Buffalo bills to them,
where would they win? They win by a lot of points.
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Like they rarely win in like barely cover games. They
win by a ton. And you look at Seattle right now,
and I just think that, you know, if Gino isn't
all hampered and he said he had a what was
it a sore triceps?
Speaker 2 (11:56):
Y had triceps. Yeah, that's got going on.
Speaker 3 (11:59):
I don't if you happen to catch I had the
rams last weekend, I was able to. I was watching
a little bit of that of that game. Drew Locke
is not a functional NFL quarterback. It's rough and if
he has to play it all and Seattle, I think
is a team that we give the benefit of the
doubt too because of Pete Carroll. He definitely deserves it.
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But they're not. They're not playing good football in general.
They just aren't. They have it for a month now
and I think I are gonna if they get up
in this game, it's the bad news for Seattle.
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tied buying should be all right, Jeff, So let's dive
right in here. Colts team owner jim irsay, oh baby,
this is uh, this is a wild one over here, right,
So jim irsay he did a wide ranging interview with
HBO Sports. Yeah, and he was talking about in September
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twenty fourteen, he was he was pulled over, right, and
it was one misdemeanor count of operating a vehicle while intoxicated.
And his view of this whole thing, He said, I
am prejudiced against because I'm a rich, white billionaire. Oh boy, yeah, if.
Speaker 3 (15:52):
I'm the age, I'm sorry Jim mersay that you are.
I know you're oppressed as a white rich billionaire.
Speaker 2 (15:58):
Yep, yeah, he said. If I'm just the average guy
down the block, They're not pulling me, pulling me in,
of course not, he said, pulling me in? Whatever?
Speaker 3 (16:06):
What what is it is? Okay? I continue? Yeah, So
he guys, this is these This is why when you
like think to yourself, like, why are the Colts sometimes
not better?
Speaker 2 (16:20):
Would be is? Yeah, you like their owner is out
of his mind, out of his mind.
Speaker 3 (16:24):
I mean imagine being so detached in reality you think
that a white rich billionaire, yeah, is someone targeted by
some That's right.
Speaker 2 (16:37):
He goes on and says, I don't care what it
sounds like. It's the truth. I don't give a damn
what people think. How anything sounds or sounds like the
truth is the truth, and I know the truth. So
he says that he was targeted and it's because he's
a rich, white billionaire. Now a couple of the facts
of this whole thing. Again, we're talking March of twenty fourteen.
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This is the Indianapolis suburb of Carmel, and so police
spotted someone driving a car very slowly, stopped in the roadway,
failed to use a turn signal, he failed to field
sobriety tests, couldn't recite the alphabet like, Bro, you're going
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in at that point. Has nothing to do with you
owning a team or anything. You being a billionaire. You
are going to the clink at that point. That's how
it goes.
Speaker 3 (17:33):
I have a family member who's a my wife's family
on her side. That's a police officer. We have of
the police officers, let me promise you, man, when they
got to pull you over like that, they're not thinking, well,
this is jim irsay in the car. Let's get him.
Everybody right, let's get jim irsay yeah, man, like you
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were inebriated, like this is it's take take take to
l which I think he has right, I mean, I
think he sobered up, right. That's that's I think one
of the outcomes of this. I didn't watch the interview yet,
but I think that's right. I know you you're in
Indianapolis sports a lot, a lot closer than I am.
But he has sobered up, right.
Speaker 2 (18:10):
Yes, yeah he has. But so like it doesn't sound
like it, but no, I know, so just like.
Speaker 3 (18:16):
Take take the l you got. You just apologize, you know,
be be contrite about it, be honest about what happened,
and then like move it along. But that's that's just
out of touch with reality. And then you get the
football part of it. This is sort of why the
team is bad in touch with reality too. Right. You
have an owner who is way too involved in the process,
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and when you see him do interviews like this and
you listen to him talk and you wonder, well, why
is my team not doing better when my owners is involved?
This is why?
Speaker 2 (18:49):
Yeah? Right? And man, you flash back to the Andrew
Luck era, like, like again, think about what he did
early on in his career without anything resembling a good
offensive line. A crazy team owner, and Andrew Luck is
just dragging himself up and down the field. They go
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to the playoffs the first three years he's in the NFL.
That makes it even more impressive what he was able
to do. And they had the number one pick right,
they were I think two and fourteen the year prior
when they got Andrew Luck. It's incredibly impressive what he
was able to do. I don't like how he retired
like fifteen days before the season or whatever it was.
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I thought that was ridiculous. But what he was able
to do statistically, stacking wins, getting to the playoffs with
that much chaos around him, it's remarkable. And think about
what the Colts have been since Andrew Luck. They have
been an absolute grease fire. And you're right, Jeff, a
lot of that connects directly to Jim Mersey. There's no
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doubt about that.
Speaker 3 (19:56):
Yeah. I don't remember Andrew Luck's first playoff game. It
was a blour. I think in my head, what we
get to you? Yeah, I don't remember that game for
some reason, So I know, I the last time I remember,
we were up thirty eight ten. That's all I remember,
and then just blacked out.
Speaker 2 (20:14):
What was it was like the forty five forty four
Fish game something like that.
Speaker 3 (20:19):
That's exactly what it was. We were up thirty eight
ten the third quarter and lost. It's nearly impossible to
do in the NFL. So I can't believe he went
on and did an interview and said that he is
an oppressed, rich, rich white owner.
Speaker 2 (20:36):
That alone right there of just you know, being a
rich white billionaire does have its drawbacks, Like just just
to begin with, this is how I'm going to frame
this whole argument. What are you talking about.
Speaker 3 (20:54):
Man oh old old Jim Mersey. Yeah, Real Sports is
the last episode, right, isn't it like coming to the
close pretty soon? Which is it's very much. I've enjoyed
a Real Sports over the years. They do a really
good job. I gotta watch this now, I haven't. I
haven't watched this episode. I gotta watch Jim mrs. I
just babble around about about being oppressed an unpressed persons here,
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yeahites from that, it just shows you this is the
exact point we've made about some teams like ownership. The
best teams are run by owners that that are pretty
much hands off. Now, you know, Robert Kraft is you know,
the face of the Patriots, but he also is not
there every day as his main job. Right, A lot
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of owners have other jobs, Like this is not their
main jobs, not being you know, the owner of a team,
which I don't think is jimmersay is number one thing
he does anyways. But like you know, the Giants are
a team that actually and you know their owners, their
business is the Giants football. That's what. That's what, that's
the business. For the most part, it's not. But you
see these owners that are way too involved. For example,
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I live in Charlotte. David Tepper is a he's a
finance guy. What does he know about running a football team? Like,
your job is to hire people to help you run
that football team and then trust that the people that
you hired are the ones that are going to, you know,
to run your organization in the right way. When you
get involved in the process, you're not watching the film.
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You're not paying attention to cap you know, like when
you when you inject yourself in the process when it's
not your day job, you're not there every day, you lose.
Like there's no no winning organization is is controlled by
an owner who thinks he knows better than the people
he's hired to do the business right. Yeah, the Clark
Hunt the Chiefs owner, he lives in Dallas. I think
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they fly the game and fly home. But do you
think he's telling Andy Reid and Brett Vich who to
draft and who to pick up? Now, I understand now
if you're drafting a quarterback first overall or in the
first I understand your owner being part of that process.
That's the face of your franchise. The owner should be
part of determining whether or not that person is can
be just qualified to be the face of your franchise.
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But everything else, like, let love your staff do it.
Speaker 2 (23:16):
Yeah, and think about this too, Jeff, where man, you
compare just the Giants to the Colts. Think about this.
So the Giants were at a contract stalemate with Saquon Barkley, right,
and the Colts were at a contractual stale mate with
Jonathan Taylor. And think about how both teams handled that
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so much differently. You had Jim irsay the oppressed white
billionaire owner, right like you had Jim irsay tweeting stuff
about the running back market is what it is. Spare
me your tears. You know he got involved heavily. Next thing,
you know, Jonathan Taylor's like, get me out of here.
It's a whole thing he made it way more complicated
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than it ever needed to be. Meanwhile, the Giants, there
weren't any crazy tweets or statements or anything about the
running back market as a whole or Saquon Barkley specifically,
and that thing got ironed out much much easier. Jim
Mersey's fingerprints were all over that whole calamity being what
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it was. That just shows how he's running a team
and it's it's not smoothly by any means.
Speaker 3 (24:31):
And I think that what makes it, you know, like
even even more drinking with that situation is they didn't
a pain. Jason Taylor and the Giants ended up not
paying a sake hole, I mean, the game, a one
year deal, the game, I think a million dollars more
than he probably was going to get it into the
franchise tag. But like they ended up giving in anyways,
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and the Giants did not give in, which I think
I think is the way to do it. I mean,
look at the Giants now, can you image if you
had paid, if you had paid like Sakon Barkley, what's
happening this season for your team? Like, can you imagine
have to be on the hook for your running back
next season, right, like it saying they're on the hook
for Daniel Jones next season and they're gonna draft a
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quarterback most likely, and so Jim Ursa is not even
doing the business part of it well as well. So
it's just I feel like culture in a bad situation.
I mean, they got they had paid Manning, which you
know they drafted and he sort of obviously won them
a lot football games. They ruined Andrew Luck and they
have done nothing since then. Yeah, you know, I think
I do think that change Second's a good coach. Ar
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Andy Richard might be good one day obviously, just you know,
injured this year.
Speaker 2 (25:40):
Yeah, it's it shows you how much. And this is
not breaking news, but the right quarterback means for your franchise.
You know, you could have chaos going on around you,
and if you've got a baller, it's it's a huge
leg up and you could have That's the other thing.
You could have stability. You could have good ownership if
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you don't have a quarterback. Look at the Steelers, right,
the Steelers have great ownership stability and Kenny Pickett is
just a guy so far. We've got a special Thanksgiving
treat for you though. Here, Jeff, we have got the
audio of Jim Irsay's interview with Bryant Gumbel.
Speaker 3 (26:20):
Here, Oh, here you go.
Speaker 2 (26:21):
Would you like to hear this? Here we go? Here's yeah,
here's what Jim Irsay says about his twenty fourteen run
in with the Fudds, if you will check it out.
Was that the low point for you?
Speaker 1 (26:34):
No?
Speaker 5 (26:35):
Not really, because the arrest was wrong. I had just
had kip surgery and been in the car for forty
five minutes and what they asked me to walk the line?
Are you kidding me? I can barely walk it all.
Speaker 2 (26:50):
So you're saying you couldn't walk because you'd had the
hip surgery, not because you were on any.
Speaker 3 (26:54):
Kind I mean, I'm not saying that it's a fact.
Why did you plead to the misdemeanor just to get
it over with?
Speaker 5 (27:01):
Look at I am prejudiced against because I'm a rich
white billionaire. If I'm just the average guy down the block,
they're not pulling me in of course.
Speaker 2 (27:10):
That do you know what it's going to sound like
if people hear you say they're prejudiced against a rich one,
it sounds.
Speaker 3 (27:16):
Like it's the truth.
Speaker 5 (27:18):
I don't you know, Andrea, I could give a damn
what people think. Anything sounds or sounds like the truth
is the truth, and I know the truth.
Speaker 3 (27:26):
Okay, when you say the truth is what it is,
I know my own truth. That's that's.
Speaker 2 (27:34):
Right.
Speaker 3 (27:34):
Every time someone says you just ignore the rest of
what they're going to say. It's an immediate hard pass.
You're like, I know the truth. It's in deep in
me and I know it, and you don't. It's like,
well that that's not a thing. That's the thing. People
say that they have no idea what they're talking about.
Speaker 2 (27:50):
Very good by Andrea Kramer, though, that was very.
Speaker 3 (27:54):
I've had many surgeries, all right. I've never driven high
on paying coaders before war. So you know the idea
that you know that's the reason why you're on high
pain killers. I mean I should be You should be driving, buddy.
You're a billionaire, call call a driver. You don't have
a driver on standby for yourself. There's no excuse if
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anyone are drink and drive obviously now or be obviously
you know, high on pay medicine when you have options
to go pick you up now and you're a billionaire,
you have a you have a driver, What are we
doing it?
Speaker 2 (28:30):
I don't know why there's this disconnect. If he was drinking,
it'd be immediate, like, bro, why are you driving? But
it's like if you're hopped up on painkillers, it's the
same freaking thing. You're inebriated, you're not lucid, you know
what I mean? Like, you're completely right.
Speaker 3 (28:47):
It's I mean, looking at that scene from from a
Wolf of Wall Street, right, I mean you take those
that's I can imagine Jimmer say that's how he was
driving that and that. But of course, like the best
part about that is that that's exactly how he thinks it.
Speaker 2 (29:03):
Happened, right.
Speaker 3 (29:04):
He thinks he drove home and was was in a
not an apparent state, and then you have the flashback.
It's like, no, buddy, you're you're on lutes, and of
course you're gonna look like you'll know what you're you know,
you're gon drive over a place. So I don't know
if it was body cam footage of that arrest or
anything like that would be interesting to see just from
a you know, a perspective of you know, how how
intoxicated kneebraid was he and keeps saying intoxicated but Inebradd
(29:27):
because he wasn't intoxicated. So God the rich White owner
I found. I'm looking at Twitter right now the video.
It's like, it's insane, it's crazy.
Speaker 2 (29:38):
It's it's wild, man, it really is.
Speaker 3 (29:40):
I know my own truth.
Speaker 2 (29:42):
Yeah, yeah, I know the truth. I don't care how
it sounds. It's like, bro, you gotta be right, you
know what I mean? And he's not close to being right.
That's the that's one of the shames of this whole thing.
We got a lot to do. Jeff coming up next.
It's an interesting take from a former player that's gotten
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I just glanced over some bad news over here. So
I'm in a confidence pool, right, And so you pick
every game against the spread, and then you rank them. Yeah,
at every game against the spread, and then you rank
each pick based on your confidence level. And so I
glanced down and some of these the lines are little stale,
(32:00):
so sometimes you can take advantage of them, sometimes they
take advantage of you. Okay, And I look at Dallas
in my confidence pool. They're only favored by ten and
a half. It's risen what three points were at thirteen
and a half. Right now, I love Washington plus thirteen
and a half. I don't know if I'm taking them
plus ten and a half. I am, but I don't
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love it nearly as much.
Speaker 3 (32:24):
I wonder if you did the research on closing line
value in this pool, because like that'd be interesting, right,
Like if you were like I would say that in
this instance, you take the Cowboys because the value is
just better on the Cowboys in this pool. But does
that matter? I mean, the CLV this year has been
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almost non existent in a lot of these games. Yeah,
but like because right, right, because the value in this
is taking the Cowboys, whether you like them to cover
or not.
Speaker 2 (32:54):
That's right, right, And that's the thing what's interesting in
this pool, Jeff, is just what you're blaming. There's better
value on the Cowboys. And you'd be shocked how many
times it doesn't matter. Many times where you're like, ah, man,
I was getting four more points with the stale confidence
pool line and I still was on the wrong side.
Speaker 3 (33:18):
I mean, my my thing is is in this game specifically,
I think it's either like a seven point game or
twenty one point cowboy win.
Speaker 2 (33:27):
Yeah, Like, do you see middle ground? I really don't,
because if you look at Washington, they haven't been a
middle ground team. Yes, they played the Eagles tough twice,
Like these are one possession games. If they went for
two on the road, they might have beaten Philadelphia. Correct,
So those are close, hard fought games. I could see
(33:49):
today being something similar to that, or I could see
him getting boat raced. Like neither would surprise me at
all with Washington.
Speaker 3 (33:57):
No, it wouldn't either. So I think I'm curious about,
like what what do we see? What do we get
from Washington today? Because while I saw the report, you know,
Ron Rivera is not being let go today, but you know,
Josh Harris, the new commander's owner, is just is not
He's not gonna be the quarterback next season, so to
the quarterback the head coach next season. So it depends
(34:18):
on kind of you know, when you decide to make
that move and if it goes south quickly. Today is today?
Is this?
Speaker 2 (34:26):
Is this?
Speaker 3 (34:26):
Just do it now and get over with Give you
be the job for a couple of weeks. See what
he can do.
Speaker 2 (34:31):
Uh yeah, normally it's black Monday right after the season.
It might be Black Friday.
Speaker 3 (34:36):
It could well yeah, I mean it makes sense, right,
I mean if rivera, if this just goes south quickly.
So the mindset of the team I think is important
in this game as well. Cowboys, we know, are like
extreme front runners. They they are great when they're ahead.
And if that, if that becomes the case, this game
could go south very quickly.
Speaker 2 (34:57):
Yeah, they've blasted bad teams, blast to them. You look
at what the Cowboys have on their resume, and it's
real quick here. So they beat the Jets by twenty right,
remember that in week two at home they beat the
Patriots by thirty five. They beat the Rams by twenty three,
They beat the Giants by thirty two. They worked the
(35:19):
Panthers last week, so mean by thirty two.
Speaker 3 (35:22):
And forty can it's wild right they've done Yeah, so
I am again. I the game feels like it's either
going to be a close you know, the Sam hopping
out of his mind they don't turn the ball over.
Cowboys just sort of have a a malaise to them
in this game, maybe and it's closed or they're just
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gonna smoke them.
Speaker 2 (35:47):
Yeah, you know what I like with getting all those
points with Washington. I love from a betting perspective that
they were embarrassed last week. I think the power of
embarrassment in the ENNF is a real thing. And also
think about this, the risk of embarrassment. It's not just
getting embarrassed by the Giants last week when Washington was
(36:10):
at home. It's Thanksgiving Day, national stage only game going on,
and the Cowboys, who have routinely worked bad teams, they
know that they're in jeopardy of getting embarrassed again this
time on Thanksgiving when the football world is watching like that,
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that's a lot of motivation right there.
Speaker 3 (36:35):
And we know that the numbers have shown over the
years that teams coming off embarrassing losses end up playing better.
But it is worth noting like three weeks, two weeks
before the Washington they lost the Giants fourteen seven, like
(36:56):
an embarrassing game, and didn't come back against them and
beat them, you know, Like I don't I don't know
if it like Still, I don't know, I don't.
Speaker 2 (37:02):
Know if it might might apply to them.
Speaker 3 (37:04):
Yeah, I want to play them, might play everyone else.
Speaker 2 (37:06):
But I mean that that fourteen to seven loss against
the Giants. The next week they played the Eagles tough. Yeah,
they play played them tough. That's a touchdown game, you know. So,
I don't know, I don't know. I'm siding with embarrassment
over here. I'm gonna side with Washington. If you give
me thirteen and a half, that's just too many points
for me to turn down. And look, they lose by
(37:28):
three touchdowns. I'll take it on the chin.
Speaker 3 (37:30):
But al with you, No, I'm on that alone. I agree, like,
that's just a lot of points in any NFL game,
whether and Washington's not a team that is. They're not
the Panthers, They're not They're not bad bad where you
have to you know, Sam, how is is competent enough
to keep you in a game? Yeah?
Speaker 2 (37:48):
A huge game tonight for Seattle when you look at
their schedule, Jeff, these next four games, listen to this gauntlet.
Niners tonight at home at the cow Boys at the
Niners Philadelphia. So as it stands right now, the Seahawks
opponents their next four games, they face teams with records
(38:09):
of seven and three, seven and three, seven and three,
nine and one. That is a gauntlet right there. So
if you're talking about their playoff chances, this is a
gots to have it game when you consider what's coming
up next. They're at Dallas, than that, San Francisco the
next two games, and then Philly Beck at home. That
(38:29):
that's brutal right there.
Speaker 3 (38:31):
It does feel like Seattle no playoffs is a decent
wager to make, right now.
Speaker 2 (38:38):
Yeah, could be.
Speaker 3 (38:40):
The thing about it is that if you go no playoffs,
who is the play who's taking their spot? It's probably
and it's probably the Rams.
Speaker 2 (38:50):
Rams would be there. Listen, which four and six team
do you love? There are four of them. You got
the Packers, the Rams, the Falcons, and Tampa.
Speaker 3 (39:03):
Well, I get the best quarterback and coach of Stafford's
healthy with the Rams, right that's that's but his health
is just you know, every game it looks like he's
gonna he's gonna be injured reserve. That's a problem with
with that, right Like you, I think you would, I
think we'd agree, like you, Sean McVay Matt Stafford signed
me up. But are we sure they're going to be healthy?
Speaker 2 (39:22):
Yeah. The thing is with these NFC South teams, the Falcons,
for instance, they don't face a team with the winning
record the rest of the season. Now that could change,
Like they face the Saints twice, who are five and five,
but there's nobody that has a winning record right now. Yeah,
they face the Jets, they face Tampa, they face the Bears,
(39:45):
they face Carolina. That's a lot of favorable matchups and
who's gonna be like, Oh, Falcons playoffs. Yeah, they've got
a legitimate shot based on who they're playing. Their schedule
is much more favorable than Seattle's is.
Speaker 3 (40:02):
Yeah, but it's Arthur Smith and Desmond Ridder yikes yeah?
Speaker 2 (40:06):
Or heinikey? What are we doing right now?
Speaker 3 (40:09):
They're back to Ridder?
Speaker 2 (40:10):
Right, they're back to him? Is heinicky? Messed up? Is
he hurt?
Speaker 3 (40:13):
No? They just went back to Ridder.
Speaker 2 (40:15):
Oh gosh, you put your money on that.
Speaker 3 (40:18):
But you're harder money. That's the money that we're we get,
we get do you get paid for today? Right? So yeah,
this the money you've earned today. Youre gonna throw that
on the Falcons.
Speaker 2 (40:27):
Consider it a free roll, you know, they could they
could have gone with somebody else filling in today, we
might not even have this money, Jeff.
Speaker 3 (40:35):
Right, yeah, exactly, you're right.
Speaker 2 (40:37):
And then let's try to triple it. What are the
odds on the Falcons making the playoffs right now?
Speaker 3 (40:42):
For something we looked at this other day?
Speaker 2 (40:44):
Quad even better?
Speaker 3 (40:45):
I thank the Saints? No, no, then the Bucks were
at four hundred, the Falcons were somewhere like plus two
hundred is range?
Speaker 2 (40:51):
Are you serious? Wow?
Speaker 3 (40:53):
No, no, yeah, because the st the Saints are like
sort of the heavy favorites in the right.
Speaker 2 (40:58):
Right, Okay, so Atlanta is about four to one for
to one. I don't know, I'm just asking. I haven't
seen the playoff odds. Yeah, someone who's gross right now
could sneak into the playoffs. Listen, another big game. If
we're talking about this, it's the Packers today. It's a
bigger game for the Packers than it is for the Lions. Yes,
(41:20):
in terms of getting into the playoffs. Right, you could
talk about seating for the Lions and all of that,
but the Packers they're at Detroit today. Oh, by the way,
they get the Chiefs next week, and then it gets
a little lighter, Giants, Tampa Panthers, they close out with
the Bears. They get the Vikings in there as well.
But I mean, look, if the Packers one of these
(41:43):
teams that sneaks into the playoffs, they're gonna have a
win that you didn't see coming and it changes the
playoff picture right there. But the Packers obviously it's today.
Speaker 3 (41:53):
It's where you mentioned the Chiefs, Like, are teams still
fearful of the Chiefs? Is it like, oh man, that's
a loss right now? Or do you think teams are
going that game thinking like, now we got to do
is just make sure that no one catches the football.
Speaker 2 (42:06):
It's like, I think that a lot of teams feel like, hey,
if we can move the ball, we got a shot.
You're like, it's weird, it's role.
Speaker 3 (42:16):
Reversal and fifty yards in that game they move the ball.
Speaker 2 (42:20):
Right, Well, that's what I mean. Like the Chiefs defense
has been better than their offense this season.
Speaker 3 (42:26):
Absolutely. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (42:27):
So that's what I mean is if you're an opponent
and you're like, hey, if we can figure out a
way to move the ball, we got a shot. And
normally you don't say that at all with Kansas City.
Speaker 3 (42:37):
Yeah, I mean they've lost games this year that with
the opponents scored twenty one, twenty one, and twenty three.
In one of those games, it was actually really fourteen
because you know, the Lions had to pick six. So
like they're the Chiefs are. I mean those are games
that you would have thought, you know, they win all
the time.
Speaker 2 (42:53):
Yeah, I know it right, it's crazy where they're getting
shot out in the second half, got shut out against
the Dolphins, got shut out by the Eagles. Yeah, that's wild, man,
that's wild. And it's it's amazing how much things can
can shift. Right, just think about this. It's one catch.
(43:15):
It's a if MVS makes the catch. We're looking at
the Chiefs totally differently. Yeah, Welcome to football, man, that's
how it goes.
Speaker 3 (43:24):
The march of air in the NFL is very small.
Speaker 2 (43:27):
Yeah that that that that hurt right there, This one
unbar it was right there right there. They had it
and then they didn't. Welcome to the NFL. We got
a lot more to do coming up next. One player says, uh,
(43:48):
we all got to be better interesting timing. As far
as all of that goes, that's right around the corner.
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Thanksgiving to you, Jeff Schwartz. Anything crazy plan today?
Speaker 3 (00:44):
Uh No, I don't think so. I mean watching what
ten hours of continuous football is there? Is it crazy?
It feels like a regular Sunday to me here Saturday
for me, or I mean this week it's sweezy Thursday, Friday,
Saturday Sunday. It's like it's a full four day fest
of football. NFL college football. My duck's got a big
(01:05):
game tomorrow night. Your Irish are gonna pound on this
on the poor stand for Cardinal this weekend, and we've
NFL to watch. So your team has a black Friday game.
My chiefs. I don't know what what. They can move
the ball anyone right now. So I'm watching football this week.
But they making a turkey today Friday. A turkey, got
a bunch of sides, and then I'll just eat the
(01:26):
turkey till there's zero meat on the bone for next
three or four days. Yeah, it's just living the dream,
how about you?
Speaker 2 (01:31):
That is a great game plan. It's pretty much the same.
I came home to see family in South Bend, so
be hanging out with them all day today. Very much
looking forward to it. And like you said, man, it
is a ball buffet, not just today, but for today.
Speaker 3 (01:47):
A ball buffet. And who Brian and you got you
got other sports too, which I haven't pay as much
attention to, but they're on as well, do you guys?
As your family, I imagine the day fans.
Speaker 2 (02:01):
Yeah yeah, yeah, like my dad, especially my mom also,
but my sister doesn't care about sports at all. What's
up with that?
Speaker 3 (02:08):
So is it like Rudy for you guys on game day?
You guys just sit for the TV and take cans.
You're irish.
Speaker 2 (02:15):
You know, it's weird because I've been I've lived all
over the country just with radio stuff. So most of
the time I'm not around. So when I am, we've
gone to games at times, and then I'm having a
hard time remembering what game day is like when I
am around, right, Like, yeah, so I don't know. We
(02:38):
watch at times. But let me ask you this before
we get to the games today, because I'm glad that
you started off on the right foot talking about you're
all in on turkey? What do you make of these
people that bad mouth turkey. There's it's a growing trend
over the last handfully.
Speaker 3 (02:56):
Because that's why, because you get to you get social
media points for for being I I don't like turkey,
No one, you never eat turkey otherwise I'm like, I
have make turkey sandwiches all the time. What are we
talking about? Yeah, I don't think I have a fried
turkey leg, but I have turkey legs throughout the season
at the time, I mean throughout the year. At times,
I make them go to disney Land, grow myself a
(03:17):
turkey leg like I I eat. It's because people want
to be trendy. They just want they want to be like,
oh ha ha, I'm ago, I'm too good for them.
For Thanksgiving you know, I I got extra turkey parts
to fry. I like the turkey. That's what I enjoy eating.
I am not a dessert person. I'm not sure to
(03:38):
have the turkey the dessert. But then the other trendy
thing too Brian to do is just to bash desserts,
even though I will say that that a lot of
dessert if it has a fruit in it, it's kind
of gross. But people get really angry and offended if
you like have the wrong take about about pie and stuff.
It's just like guys, everyone eats their own food. Just
(03:58):
let them be. Let him be. I like the turkey.
I'm gonna fry. It tastes it's right now. It's dry,
brunning in the fridge. So I injected it last night
with creole butter, and then I overnight I salted on
the outside, you know, like a little salt, pepper, rosemary,
and then I so it dries out in the fridge overnight. Yeah,
it's uncovered. So it's uncovered in the fridge overnight, and
(04:21):
then today when I put in the fryer, the skin
should be even crispirits. It's delicious.
Speaker 2 (04:25):
Sounds tremendous right there, Like for anybody out there that
has never had a deep fried turkey, man, you are
missing out. It is a tremendous experience right there.
Speaker 3 (04:36):
So it takes you know, a thirteen pound turkey, it
takes fifteen minutes to cook. Yeah, it's it's like it's perfect.
So it's a perfect it's a perfect way to consume,
you know, your food.
Speaker 2 (04:49):
What do you think as we look at the NFL
games today? Of the three games, which one do you
think is the crescendo, if you will, right, the most
bang for your buck, the most drama, this is the
highlight of let's think of your Thanksgiving meal, right whatever
your favorite you know, portion or side is. Which game
(05:11):
do you think is that today?
Speaker 3 (05:13):
I've been thinking about this, Brian, because we have a
show with you on Sundays, Can'tain to Kickoff where we
discuss the gambling, you know, parts of the NFL National
Football League, And I imagine that a lot of people
wake up today. I want to wager on the games,
right as everyone does. Yeah, and they're gonna see the
(05:33):
point spreads for a lot of these games and they're
gonna go. You know what I can do today, I
can money line? Yeah, Lions Cowboys, Niners, All right, I
can part money line parlay these three teams, and so
my idea is, like, who's gonna lose. I'm going to
ruin the money line parlay, that's right. And the easy answer,
(05:55):
I think it's I think it's Seattle. But I have
the Niners minus seven in my contest this week, so
I hope it's not that. I hope it's not Seattle.
I think just with Gino Smith. He's playing, but like,
you know, how how healthy is he? I think Christian McCaffrey,
I think is sort of beat up to though, and
you know, and and I just don't. I don't know,
like if no, no, actually sorry, it's not it's not
(06:19):
it's not McCaffrey, it's a different he's fine. So I
got to text out someone about McCarthy. That's not macaf
that's not McCaffrey. So I just I don't know. My
My best guess is one of the first of the
two early games, right, and the Cowboys are historically awful
(06:44):
against the spread. On Thanksgiving they are one and I
think one for the last twelve, covering Thanksgiving one and
eleven the last twelve Thanksgivings because he's the line is
thirteen and a half.
Speaker 2 (06:57):
Raays that's a ton of points because.
Speaker 3 (07:00):
The Washington is very feisty in offense, and I think
it's probably like Sam Howe doing insane things today, right
and winning the game for them. That that's my that's
my guess as for the upset, because the Packers are
playing better but still can't really score. If you look
at there, you know it's twenty, it's thirty, it's it's
(07:21):
twenty three. Like that to me is not going to
cut against the Lions again at night if if you know,
if if Geo Smith is an all beat up, there's not.
They're not gonna being Drew Lock. You watch them last
week like like get out of here, right, So it
does feel like it's that it's that game though, right,
like it's the middle game where Washington just has a
(07:43):
Sam Howe you know, three fifty performance, no no turnovers
and like just right, the Cowboys get tight in a
close game with they don't play a lot of them.
Does it feel like that to you?
Speaker 2 (07:55):
Yeah, I could see that. I look at it. Where
look man, Sam Howell leads the league in passing yards.
He leads the league in passing attempts. They just air
it out and it's a divisional game. It's an interesting
spot because the Cowboys have been crushing bad teams this year,
(08:17):
and so you could look at it from that standpoint
and say, well, here we go again. They're probably gonna
crush Washington, who just got worked by the Giants last week,
you know. But on the flip side of it, they
just they don't have anything to lose, and they just
came off an embarrassing performance. They could do to the
(08:37):
Cowboys what the Giants just did to them, you know
what I mean. Where you look at the Giants, they
were completely embarrassed the week prior, and then they come
out and they put it on Washington. I just think
that is a ton of points. I don't know that
Washington comes out and wins outright like the Giants did
last week against them, but I think they've got enough
(09:00):
firepower to keep it within thirteen. Thirteen's a ton of
points in the NFL.
Speaker 3 (09:05):
It's a lot of points, especially when it went from
you know where was that at opened? To ten like
it end. Think about this though, Brian, the commanders, I
keep on want to call them the R words. Still,
it was just never it never gets Okay, So they
(09:28):
were nine point favorites, I believe nine and a half
of it's the Giants, and one week they the point
the points been for their game is twenty points different. Wow, right,
they went from nine points to thirteen is underdog? They're
not that That feels like an extreme overreaction.
Speaker 2 (09:45):
That, Yeah, that's a huge overreaction.
Speaker 3 (09:48):
Part of it, I would imagine, is because and fairly
enough that like the Cowboys have shown this year outside
of the Arizona game, that they just destroy destroy Yeah,
bad football teams, right, I mean they've covered, They covered
ten and a half of the road last weekning with ease,
and so there's that idea that and they're really they're
(10:09):
bill because they're their defense is about to rush the
passer when you are behind and passable so much that's
like that's they get after it, right, They're get after
and so they certainly think that that's in play here.
But still, I mean they could win this game with ease,
you know, thirty one twenty and not cover. Yeah, thirty
won twenty one, and that's not a cover. So from
(10:31):
a Gamwai perspective, you take Washington plus the thirteen thirteen
and a half. Who wins out right in this who
ruins the moneyline parlay today? I don't know, buddy, Yeah,
I know.
Speaker 2 (10:43):
I think about the Lions. They were they should have
lost last week to Chicago.
Speaker 3 (10:47):
Yeah, but I think that to me that I mean,
you know that happens every now that are good teams
play those games? Right?
Speaker 2 (10:54):
Yeah? Absolutely? And I'm not telling you I'm rushing to
the betting window to take the Packers' money line here.
But it seems like someone's gonna mess this up if
you just go straight favorites all across the board to
win outright. It feels like someone's gonna come up short.
Certainly if you went every favorite minus the points. I
(11:17):
don't see that working out in all three games.
Speaker 3 (11:19):
No, said the one I wagered on today, I mean,
like officially wagered on. I'm sure I'll put money on
every game at some point today is you know Niners
minus seven? I think that. You know, I'm not always
a big fan of taking the road team in a
divisional game like this, but I just think when the
Niners have a little bit of a Buffalo bills to them,
where would they win? They win by a lot of points.
(11:42):
Like they rarely win in like barely cover games. They
win by a ton. And you look at Seattle right now,
and I just think that, you know, if Gino isn't
all hampered and he said he had a what was
it a sore triceps?
Speaker 2 (11:56):
Y had triceps. Yeah, that's got going on.
Speaker 3 (11:59):
I don't if you happen to catch I had the
rams last weekend, I was able to. I was watching
a little bit of that of that game. Drew Locke
is not a functional NFL quarterback. It's rough and if
he has to play it all and Seattle, I think
is a team that we give the benefit of the
doubt too because of Pete Carroll. He definitely deserves it.
(12:20):
But they're not. They're not playing good football in general.
They just aren't. They have it for a month now
and I think I are gonna if they get up
in this game, it's the bad news for Seattle.
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right in here. Colts team owner jim irsay, oh baby,
this is uh, this is a wild one over here, right,
So jim irsay he did a wide ranging interview with
HBO Sports. Yeah, and he was talking about in September
(15:30):
twenty fourteen, he was he was pulled over, right, and
it was one misdemeanor count of operating a vehicle while intoxicated.
And his view of this whole thing, He said, I
am prejudiced against because I'm a rich, white billionaire. Oh boy, yeah, if.
Speaker 3 (15:52):
I'm the age, I'm sorry Jim mersay that you are.
I know you're oppressed as a white rich billionaire.
Speaker 2 (15:58):
Yep, yeah, he said. If I'm just the average guy
down the block, They're not pulling me, pulling me in,
of course not, he said, pulling me in? Whatever?
Speaker 3 (16:06):
What what is it is? Okay? I continue? Yeah, So
he guys, this is these This is why when you
like think to yourself, like, why are the Colts sometimes
not better?
Speaker 2 (16:20):
Would be is? Yeah, you like their owner is out
of his mind, out of his mind.
Speaker 3 (16:24):
I mean imagine being so detached in reality you think
that a white rich billionaire, yeah, is someone targeted by
some That's right.
Speaker 2 (16:37):
He goes on and says, I don't care what it
sounds like. It's the truth. I don't give a damn
what people think. How anything sounds or sounds like the
truth is the truth, and I know the truth. So
he says that he was targeted and it's because he's
a rich, white billionaire. Now a couple of the facts
of this whole thing. Again, we're talking March of twenty fourteen.
(16:59):
This is the Indianapolis suburb of Carmel, and so police
spotted someone driving a car very slowly, stopped in the roadway,
failed to use a turn signal, he failed to field
sobriety tests, couldn't recite the alphabet like, Bro, you're going
(17:20):
in at that point. Has nothing to do with you
owning a team or anything. You being a billionaire. You
are going to the clink at that point. That's how
it goes.
Speaker 3 (17:33):
I have a family member who's a my wife's family
on her side. That's a police officer. We have of
the police officers, let me promise you, man, when they
got to pull you over like that, they're not thinking, well,
this is jim irsay in the car. Let's get him.
Everybody right, let's get jim irsay yeah, man, like you
(17:54):
were inebriated, like this is it's take take take to
l which I think he has right, I mean, I
think he sobered up, right. That's that's I think one
of the outcomes of this. I didn't watch the interview yet,
but I think that's right. I know you you're in
Indianapolis sports a lot, a lot closer than I am.
But he has sobered up, right.
Speaker 2 (18:10):
Yes, yeah he has. But so like it doesn't sound
like it, but no, I know, so just like.
Speaker 3 (18:16):
Take take the l you got. You just apologize, you know,
be be contrite about it, be honest about what happened,
and then like move it along. But that's that's just
out of touch with reality. And then you get the
football part of it. This is sort of why the
team is bad in touch with reality too. Right. You
have an owner who is way too involved in the process,
(18:41):
and when you see him do interviews like this and
you listen to him talk and you wonder, well, why
is my team not doing better when my owners is involved?
This is why?
Speaker 2 (18:49):
Yeah? Right? And man, you flash back to the Andrew
Luck era, like, like again, think about what he did
early on in his career without anything resembling a good
offensive line. A crazy team owner, and Andrew Luck is
just dragging himself up and down the field. They go
(19:11):
to the playoffs the first three years he's in the NFL.
That makes it even more impressive what he was able
to do. And they had the number one pick right,
they were I think two and fourteen the year prior
when they got Andrew Luck. It's incredibly impressive what he
was able to do. I don't like how he retired
like fifteen days before the season or whatever it was.
(19:33):
I thought that was ridiculous. But what he was able
to do statistically, stacking wins, getting to the playoffs with
that much chaos around him, it's remarkable. And think about
what the Colts have been since Andrew Luck. They have
been an absolute grease fire. And you're right, Jeff, a
lot of that connects directly to Jim Mersey. There's no
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doubt about that.
Speaker 3 (19:56):
Yeah. I don't remember Andrew Luck's first playoff game. It
was a blour. I think in my head, what we
get to you? Yeah, I don't remember that game for
some reason, So I know, I the last time I remember,
we were up thirty eight ten. That's all I remember,
and then just blacked out.
Speaker 2 (20:14):
What was it was like the forty five forty four
Fish game something like that.
Speaker 3 (20:19):
That's exactly what it was. We were up thirty eight
ten the third quarter and lost. It's nearly impossible to
do in the NFL. So I can't believe he went
on and did an interview and said that he is
an oppressed, rich, rich white owner.
Speaker 2 (20:36):
That alone right there of just you know, being a
rich white billionaire does have its drawbacks, Like just just
to begin with, this is how I'm going to frame
this whole argument. What are you talking about.
Speaker 3 (20:54):
Man oh old old Jim Mersey. Yeah, Real Sports is
the last episode, right, isn't it like coming to the
close pretty soon? Which is it's very much. I've enjoyed
a Real Sports over the years. They do a really
good job. I gotta watch this now, I haven't. I
haven't watched this episode. I gotta watch Jim mrs. I
just babble around about about being oppressed an unpressed persons here,
(21:16):
yeahites from that, it just shows you this is the
exact point we've made about some teams like ownership. The
best teams are run by owners that that are pretty
much hands off. Now, you know, Robert Kraft is you know,
the face of the Patriots, but he also is not
there every day as his main job. Right, A lot
(21:41):
of owners have other jobs, Like this is not their
main jobs, not being you know, the owner of a team,
which I don't think is jimmersay is number one thing
he does anyways. But like you know, the Giants are
a team that actually and you know their owners, their
business is the Giants football. That's what. That's what, that's
the business. For the most part, it's not. But you
see these owners that are way too involved. For example,
(22:02):
I live in Charlotte. David Tepper is a he's a
finance guy. What does he know about running a football team? Like,
your job is to hire people to help you run
that football team and then trust that the people that
you hired are the ones that are going to, you know,
to run your organization in the right way. When you
get involved in the process, you're not watching the film.
(22:26):
You're not paying attention to cap you know, like when
you when you inject yourself in the process when it's
not your day job, you're not there every day, you lose.
Like there's no no winning organization is is controlled by
an owner who thinks he knows better than the people
he's hired to do the business right. Yeah, the Clark
Hunt the Chiefs owner, he lives in Dallas. I think
(22:50):
they fly the game and fly home. But do you
think he's telling Andy Reid and Brett Vich who to
draft and who to pick up? Now, I understand now
if you're drafting a quarterback first overall or in the
first I understand your owner being part of that process.
That's the face of your franchise. The owner should be
part of determining whether or not that person is can
be just qualified to be the face of your franchise.
(23:12):
But everything else, like, let love your staff do it.
Speaker 2 (23:16):
Yeah, and think about this too, Jeff, where man, you
compare just the Giants to the Colts. Think about this.
So the Giants were at a contract stalemate with Saquon Barkley, right,
and the Colts were at a contractual stale mate with
Jonathan Taylor. And think about how both teams handled that
(23:38):
so much differently. You had Jim irsay the oppressed white
billionaire owner, right like you had Jim irsay tweeting stuff
about the running back market is what it is. Spare
me your tears. You know he got involved heavily. Next thing,
you know, Jonathan Taylor's like, get me out of here.
It's a whole thing he made it way more complicated
(24:02):
than it ever needed to be. Meanwhile, the Giants, there
weren't any crazy tweets or statements or anything about the
running back market as a whole or Saquon Barkley specifically,
and that thing got ironed out much much easier. Jim
Mersey's fingerprints were all over that whole calamity being what
(24:23):
it was. That just shows how he's running a team
and it's it's not smoothly by any means.
Speaker 3 (24:31):
And I think that what makes it, you know, like
even even more drinking with that situation is they didn't
a pain. Jason Taylor and the Giants ended up not
paying a sake hole, I mean, the game, a one
year deal, the game, I think a million dollars more
than he probably was going to get it into the
franchise tag. But like they ended up giving in anyways,
(24:52):
and the Giants did not give in, which I think
I think is the way to do it. I mean,
look at the Giants now, can you image if you
had paid, if you had paid like Sakon Barkley, what's
happening this season for your team? Like, can you imagine
have to be on the hook for your running back
next season, right, like it saying they're on the hook
for Daniel Jones next season and they're gonna draft a
(25:13):
quarterback most likely, and so Jim Ursa is not even
doing the business part of it well as well. So
it's just I feel like culture in a bad situation.
I mean, they got they had paid Manning, which you
know they drafted and he sort of obviously won them
a lot football games. They ruined Andrew Luck and they
have done nothing since then. Yeah, you know, I think
I do think that change Second's a good coach. Ar
(25:35):
Andy Richard might be good one day obviously, just you know,
injured this year.
Speaker 2 (25:40):
Yeah, it's it shows you how much. And this is
not breaking news, but the right quarterback means for your franchise.
You know, you could have chaos going on around you,
and if you've got a baller, it's it's a huge
leg up and you could have That's the other thing.
You could have stability. You could have good ownership if
(26:02):
you don't have a quarterback. Look at the Steelers, right,
the Steelers have great ownership stability and Kenny Pickett is
just a guy so far. We've got a special Thanksgiving
treat for you though. Here, Jeff, we have got the
audio of Jim Irsay's interview with Bryant Gumbel.
Speaker 3 (26:20):
Here, Oh, here you go.
Speaker 2 (26:21):
Would you like to hear this? Here we go? Here's yeah,
here's what Jim Irsay says about his twenty fourteen run
in with the Fudds, if you will check it out.
Was that the low point for you?
Speaker 1 (26:34):
No?
Speaker 5 (26:35):
Not really, because the arrest was wrong. I had just
had kip surgery and been in the car for forty
five minutes and what they asked me to walk the line?
Are you kidding me? I can barely walk it all.
Speaker 2 (26:50):
So you're saying you couldn't walk because you'd had the
hip surgery, not because you were on any.
Speaker 3 (26:54):
Kind I mean, I'm not saying that it's a fact.
Why did you plead to the misdemeanor just to get
it over with?
Speaker 5 (27:01):
Look at I am prejudiced against because I'm a rich
white billionaire. If I'm just the average guy down the block,
they're not pulling me in of course.
Speaker 2 (27:10):
That do you know what it's going to sound like
if people hear you say they're prejudiced against a rich one,
it sounds.
Speaker 3 (27:16):
Like it's the truth.
Speaker 5 (27:18):
I don't you know, Andrea, I could give a damn
what people think. Anything sounds or sounds like the truth
is the truth, and I know the truth.
Speaker 3 (27:26):
Okay, when you say the truth is what it is,
I know my own truth. That's that's.
Speaker 2 (27:34):
Right.
Speaker 3 (27:34):
Every time someone says you just ignore the rest of
what they're going to say. It's an immediate hard pass.
You're like, I know the truth. It's in deep in
me and I know it, and you don't. It's like,
well that that's not a thing. That's the thing. People
say that they have no idea what they're talking about.
Speaker 2 (27:50):
Very good by Andrea Kramer, though, that was very.
Speaker 3 (27:54):
I've had many surgeries, all right. I've never driven high
on paying coaders before war. So you know the idea
that you know that's the reason why you're on high
pain killers. I mean I should be You should be driving, buddy.
You're a billionaire, call call a driver. You don't have
a driver on standby for yourself. There's no excuse if
(28:16):
anyone are drink and drive obviously now or be obviously
you know, high on pay medicine when you have options
to go pick you up now and you're a billionaire,
you have a you have a driver, What are we
doing it?
Speaker 2 (28:30):
I don't know why there's this disconnect. If he was drinking,
it'd be immediate, like, bro, why are you driving? But
it's like if you're hopped up on painkillers, it's the
same freaking thing. You're inebriated, you're not lucid, you know
what I mean? Like, you're completely right.
Speaker 3 (28:47):
It's I mean, looking at that scene from from a
Wolf of Wall Street, right, I mean you take those
that's I can imagine Jimmer say that's how he was
driving that and that. But of course, like the best
part about that is that that's exactly how he thinks it.
Speaker 2 (29:03):
Happened, right.
Speaker 3 (29:04):
He thinks he drove home and was was in a
not an apparent state, and then you have the flashback.
It's like, no, buddy, you're you're on lutes, and of
course you're gonna look like you'll know what you're you know,
you're gon drive over a place. So I don't know
if it was body cam footage of that arrest or
anything like that would be interesting to see just from
a you know, a perspective of you know, how how
intoxicated kneebraid was he and keeps saying intoxicated but Inebradd
(29:27):
because he wasn't intoxicated. So God the rich White owner
I found. I'm looking at Twitter right now the video.
It's like, it's insane, it's crazy.
Speaker 2 (29:38):
It's it's wild, man, it really is.
Speaker 3 (29:40):
I know my own truth.
Speaker 2 (29:42):
Yeah, yeah, I know the truth. I don't care how
it sounds. It's like, bro, you gotta be right, you
know what I mean? And he's not close to being right.
That's the that's one of the shames of this whole thing.
We got a lot to do. Jeff coming up next.
It's an interesting take from a former player that's gotten
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I just glanced over some bad news over here. So
I'm in a confidence pool, right, And so you pick
every game against the spread, and then you rank them. Yeah,
at every game against the spread, and then you rank
each pick based on your confidence level. And so I
glanced down and some of these the lines are little stale,
(32:00):
so sometimes you can take advantage of them, sometimes they
take advantage of you. Okay, And I look at Dallas
in my confidence pool. They're only favored by ten and
a half. It's risen what three points were at thirteen
and a half. Right now, I love Washington plus thirteen
and a half. I don't know if I'm taking them
plus ten and a half. I am, but I don't
(32:22):
love it nearly as much.
Speaker 3 (32:24):
I wonder if you did the research on closing line
value in this pool, because like that'd be interesting, right,
Like if you were like I would say that in
this instance, you take the Cowboys because the value is
just better on the Cowboys in this pool. But does
that matter? I mean, the CLV this year has been
(32:46):
almost non existent in a lot of these games. Yeah,
but like because right, right, because the value in this
is taking the Cowboys, whether you like them to cover
or not.
Speaker 2 (32:54):
That's right, right, And that's the thing what's interesting in
this pool, Jeff, is just what you're blaming. There's better
value on the Cowboys. And you'd be shocked how many
times it doesn't matter. Many times where you're like, ah, man,
I was getting four more points with the stale confidence
pool line and I still was on the wrong side.
Speaker 3 (33:18):
I mean, my my thing is is in this game specifically,
I think it's either like a seven point game or
twenty one point cowboy win.
Speaker 2 (33:27):
Yeah, Like, do you see middle ground? I really don't,
because if you look at Washington, they haven't been a
middle ground team. Yes, they played the Eagles tough twice,
Like these are one possession games. If they went for
two on the road, they might have beaten Philadelphia. Correct,
So those are close, hard fought games. I could see
(33:49):
today being something similar to that, or I could see
him getting boat raced. Like neither would surprise me at
all with Washington.
Speaker 3 (33:57):
No, it wouldn't either. So I think I'm curious about,
like what what do we see? What do we get
from Washington today? Because while I saw the report, you know,
Ron Rivera is not being let go today, but you know,
Josh Harris, the new commander's owner, is just is not
He's not gonna be the quarterback next season, so to
the quarterback the head coach next season. So it depends
(34:18):
on kind of you know, when you decide to make
that move and if it goes south quickly. Today is today?
Is this?
Speaker 2 (34:26):
Is this?
Speaker 3 (34:26):
Just do it now and get over with Give you
be the job for a couple of weeks. See what
he can do.
Speaker 2 (34:31):
Uh yeah, normally it's black Monday right after the season.
It might be Black Friday.
Speaker 3 (34:36):
It could well yeah, I mean it makes sense, right,
I mean if rivera, if this just goes south quickly.
So the mindset of the team I think is important
in this game as well. Cowboys, we know, are like
extreme front runners. They they are great when they're ahead.
And if that, if that becomes the case, this game
could go south very quickly.
Speaker 2 (34:57):
Yeah, they've blasted bad teams, blast to them. You look
at what the Cowboys have on their resume, and it's
real quick here. So they beat the Jets by twenty right,
remember that in week two at home they beat the
Patriots by thirty five. They beat the Rams by twenty three,
They beat the Giants by thirty two. They worked the
(35:19):
Panthers last week, so mean by thirty two.
Speaker 3 (35:22):
And forty can it's wild right they've done Yeah, so
I am again. I the game feels like it's either
going to be a close you know, the Sam hopping
out of his mind they don't turn the ball over.
Cowboys just sort of have a a malaise to them
in this game, maybe and it's closed or they're just
(35:46):
gonna smoke them.
Speaker 2 (35:47):
Yeah, you know what I like with getting all those
points with Washington. I love from a betting perspective that
they were embarrassed last week. I think the power of
embarrassment in the ENNF is a real thing. And also
think about this, the risk of embarrassment. It's not just
getting embarrassed by the Giants last week when Washington was
(36:10):
at home. It's Thanksgiving Day, national stage only game going on,
and the Cowboys, who have routinely worked bad teams, they
know that they're in jeopardy of getting embarrassed again this
time on Thanksgiving when the football world is watching like that,
(36:31):
that's a lot of motivation right there.
Speaker 3 (36:35):
And we know that the numbers have shown over the
years that teams coming off embarrassing losses end up playing better.
But it is worth noting like three weeks, two weeks
before the Washington they lost the Giants fourteen seven, like
(36:56):
an embarrassing game, and didn't come back against them and
beat them, you know, Like I don't I don't know
if it like Still, I don't know, I don't.
Speaker 2 (37:02):
Know if it might might apply to them.
Speaker 3 (37:04):
Yeah, I want to play them, might play everyone else.
Speaker 2 (37:06):
But I mean that that fourteen to seven loss against
the Giants. The next week they played the Eagles tough. Yeah,
they play played them tough. That's a touchdown game, you know. So,
I don't know, I don't know. I'm siding with embarrassment
over here. I'm gonna side with Washington. If you give
me thirteen and a half, that's just too many points
for me to turn down. And look, they lose by
(37:28):
three touchdowns. I'll take it on the chin.
Speaker 3 (37:30):
But al with you, No, I'm on that alone. I agree, like,
that's just a lot of points in any NFL game,
whether and Washington's not a team that is. They're not
the Panthers, They're not They're not bad bad where you
have to you know, Sam, how is is competent enough
to keep you in a game? Yeah?
Speaker 2 (37:48):
A huge game tonight for Seattle when you look at
their schedule, Jeff, these next four games, listen to this gauntlet.
Niners tonight at home at the cow Boys at the
Niners Philadelphia. So as it stands right now, the Seahawks
opponents their next four games, they face teams with records
(38:09):
of seven and three, seven and three, seven and three,
nine and one. That is a gauntlet right there. So
if you're talking about their playoff chances, this is a
gots to have it game when you consider what's coming
up next. They're at Dallas, than that, San Francisco the
next two games, and then Philly Beck at home. That
(38:29):
that's brutal right there.
Speaker 3 (38:31):
It does feel like Seattle no playoffs is a decent
wager to make, right now.
Speaker 2 (38:38):
Yeah, could be.
Speaker 3 (38:40):
The thing about it is that if you go no playoffs,
who is the play who's taking their spot? It's probably
and it's probably the Rams.
Speaker 2 (38:50):
Rams would be there. Listen, which four and six team
do you love? There are four of them. You got
the Packers, the Rams, the Falcons, and Tampa.
Speaker 3 (39:03):
Well, I get the best quarterback and coach of Stafford's
healthy with the Rams, right that's that's but his health
is just you know, every game it looks like he's
gonna he's gonna be injured reserve. That's a problem with
with that, right Like you, I think you would, I
think we'd agree, like you, Sean McVay Matt Stafford signed
me up. But are we sure they're going to be healthy?
Speaker 2 (39:22):
Yeah. The thing is with these NFC South teams, the Falcons,
for instance, they don't face a team with the winning
record the rest of the season. Now that could change,
Like they face the Saints twice, who are five and five,
but there's nobody that has a winning record right now. Yeah,
they face the Jets, they face Tampa, they face the Bears,
(39:45):
they face Carolina. That's a lot of favorable matchups and
who's gonna be like, Oh, Falcons playoffs. Yeah, they've got
a legitimate shot based on who they're playing. Their schedule
is much more favorable than Seattle's is.
Speaker 3 (40:02):
Yeah, but it's Arthur Smith and Desmond Ridder yikes yeah?
Speaker 2 (40:06):
Or heinikey? What are we doing right now?
Speaker 3 (40:09):
They're back to Ridder?
Speaker 2 (40:10):
Right, they're back to him? Is heinicky? Messed up? Is
he hurt?
Speaker 3 (40:13):
No? They just went back to Ridder.
Speaker 2 (40:15):
Oh gosh, you put your money on that.
Speaker 3 (40:18):
But you're harder money. That's the money that we're we get,
we get do you get paid for today? Right? So yeah,
this the money you've earned today. Youre gonna throw that
on the Falcons.
Speaker 2 (40:27):
Consider it a free roll, you know, they could they
could have gone with somebody else filling in today, we
might not even have this money, Jeff.
Speaker 3 (40:35):
Right, yeah, exactly, you're right.
Speaker 2 (40:37):
And then let's try to triple it. What are the
odds on the Falcons making the playoffs right now?
Speaker 3 (40:42):
For something we looked at this other day?
Speaker 2 (40:44):
Quad even better?
Speaker 3 (40:45):
I thank the Saints? No, no, then the Bucks were
at four hundred, the Falcons were somewhere like plus two
hundred is range?
Speaker 2 (40:51):
Are you serious? Wow?
Speaker 3 (40:53):
No, no, yeah, because the st the Saints are like
sort of the heavy favorites in the right.
Speaker 2 (40:58):
Right, Okay, so Atlanta is about four to one for
to one. I don't know, I'm just asking. I haven't
seen the playoff odds. Yeah, someone who's gross right now
could sneak into the playoffs. Listen, another big game. If
we're talking about this, it's the Packers today. It's a
bigger game for the Packers than it is for the Lions. Yes,
(41:20):
in terms of getting into the playoffs. Right, you could
talk about seating for the Lions and all of that,
but the Packers they're at Detroit today. Oh, by the way,
they get the Chiefs next week, and then it gets
a little lighter, Giants, Tampa Panthers, they close out with
the Bears. They get the Vikings in there as well.
But I mean, look, if the Packers one of these
(41:43):
teams that sneaks into the playoffs, they're gonna have a
win that you didn't see coming and it changes the
playoff picture right there. But the Packers obviously it's today.
Speaker 3 (41:53):
It's where you mentioned the Chiefs, Like, are teams still
fearful of the Chiefs? Is it like, oh man, that's
a loss right now? Or do you think teams are
going that game thinking like, now we got to do
is just make sure that no one catches the football.
Speaker 2 (42:06):
It's like, I think that a lot of teams feel like, hey,
if we can move the ball, we got a shot.
You're like, it's weird, it's role.
Speaker 3 (42:16):
Reversal and fifty yards in that game they move the ball.
Speaker 2 (42:20):
Right, Well, that's what I mean. Like the Chiefs defense
has been better than their offense this season.
Speaker 3 (42:26):
Absolutely. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (42:27):
So that's what I mean is if you're an opponent
and you're like, hey, if we can figure out a
way to move the ball, we got a shot. And
normally you don't say that at all with Kansas City.
Speaker 3 (42:37):
Yeah, I mean they've lost games this year that with
the opponents scored twenty one, twenty one, and twenty three.
In one of those games, it was actually really fourteen
because you know, the Lions had to pick six. So
like they're the Chiefs are. I mean those are games
that you would have thought, you know, they win all
the time.
Speaker 2 (42:53):
Yeah, I know it right, it's crazy where they're getting
shot out in the second half, got shut out against
the Dolphins, got shut out by the Eagles. Yeah, that's wild, man,
that's wild. And it's it's amazing how much things can
can shift. Right, just think about this. It's one catch.
(43:15):
It's a if MVS makes the catch. We're looking at
the Chiefs totally differently. Yeah, Welcome to football, man, that's
how it goes.
Speaker 3 (43:24):
The march of air in the NFL is very small.
Speaker 2 (43:27):
Yeah that that that that hurt right there, This one
unbar it was right there right there. They had it
and then they didn't. Welcome to the NFL. We got
a lot more to do coming up next. One player says, uh,
(43:48):
we all got to be better interesting timing. As far
as all of that goes, that's right around the corner.
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