November 28, 2023 • 40 mins
Today on 2 Pros and a Cup of Joe, the Bears pick-off Josh Dobbs 4 times, ending his impressive streak with the Vikings. Panthers’ owner David Tepper fires HC Frank Reich only 12 games into the season. Plus, a breakdown of the latest college football fires and hires.
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Speaker 1 (00:02):
Is the best of two pros and a couple Joe
with lamar As Rady Win and Jonas Knox on Box
Floors Radio.
Speaker 2 (00:13):
Well, I'll say this, the Iowa Hawkeyes are off the hook.
They're on it now.
Speaker 3 (00:20):
Viking Vikings are on it. They're on that.
Speaker 4 (00:23):
Man.
Speaker 2 (00:24):
The NFC Central's back boys, the Bears and the Vikings
put on a classic last night that was rough to watch.
Joe Buck and Troy Aikman were so relieved that that
game was ending when it did, like.
Speaker 3 (00:38):
They were so happy. A bit of a snoozer, man,
And I mean literally, I've been working all morning to
watch it again by highlights, which weren't very bitty.
Speaker 5 (00:54):
Yeah, I watched the whole thing and I sent out
some text to Jonas while was happening, because he did this.
He did this, LeVar, What did I do? Because here's
what Jonahs does. Jonas, who's a lifelong Bears fan, had
this negative attitude and wanted to make it seem like
the Bears had no shot and all this stuff. And
(01:15):
I kept thinking, man, that lion looks funky, and the
Bear since they got Montes went defensively had been a
little better, and obviously with fields dual threat ability to
a building to run the football. It kind of limits
what you could do sometimes defensively if you're Brian Flores, sure.
Speaker 6 (01:33):
Enough, sure enough.
Speaker 5 (01:35):
Josh Dobbs ends up having what four picks and the
ball was being battered around like a vall.
Speaker 3 (01:40):
I mean, it could have been like six or seven picks.
Speaker 6 (01:43):
It looked like volleyball.
Speaker 5 (01:45):
It looked like the ball went in the air and
everyone just kind of setting it, bumping it, spiking it was.
It was tough to watch, but you felt like at
some point Dobbs and the Vikings were gonna have one
of those games, and unfortunately it was.
Speaker 6 (02:00):
It was last night.
Speaker 2 (02:02):
Are you saying the bloom is off the roads, so
to speak, when it comes to Josh.
Speaker 5 (02:06):
Dobbs, if you want to put it that way, you can,
you can say it. But there's been a lot of
things that have gone his way where he's got had
some luck and things have worked out for him. This
was an instance where like nothing seemed to go their way,
and then that being said, they still had a shot
to win the game, which was miraculous. But I sat
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there with my wife, I look next to her, I
go watch this, I go field is gonna drive them down.
He's gonna scramble a little bit, but he's probably gonna
find Dj Moore for a.
Speaker 6 (02:36):
Couple of big plays.
Speaker 5 (02:36):
And I just kept telling her in breaking routes, in
breaking rounds, I go, at some point they're gonna start
throwing some in breaking routes and then they're gonna set
up for a field go to win. And so watching
I sat there. Guy, I didn't even know why I watched.
I probably wasted twenty minutes of sleep that I could
have been in bed, but instead watching it happen. I
was like, yep, yep, that's just that's how this game
was gonna happen.
Speaker 3 (02:59):
Uh, I was watching, saw my babykwan get get him
a h get him a nice little.
Speaker 2 (03:08):
By the way the bear secondary like, there's some there's
some guys.
Speaker 3 (03:12):
Johnson on that bait move that, yeah, they're pretty good,
pretty good.
Speaker 6 (03:17):
But I mean Joe Johnson's gonna be a free ah though.
Speaker 2 (03:19):
But.
Speaker 3 (03:21):
That was one hell of a bait move on what
looked like him jumping the end route and then dropping
back into two coverage is what it looked like. Yeah,
I mean I saw, I saw parts of the game.
Really tried to put my my analytics, uh you know,
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expert hat on to watch the game and get into it.
And before I knew it, I think I was like
one of those Navy seals who were having to hold
their breath underwater and you pass out and you you
start to sink into the biss and you don't even
realize at your passing out. And I was fighting it,
(04:03):
I promise you guys, I was. I was watching and
I was fighting, and I was watching like I felt
like I was in the game because I had to
fight to stay awake to watch this game.
Speaker 2 (04:16):
And I'm just being honest. Listen, that's that's the right approach.
I'm just being honest. Honest.
Speaker 3 (04:22):
Yeah, I'm just being honest, like about what we saw.
Speaker 2 (04:25):
I really was doubt in.
Speaker 3 (04:26):
I was watching Billions until it came on and then
the game came came on, and which, by the way,
I was watching Billions for about maybe two and a
half three hours. How long is a football game?
Speaker 2 (04:40):
About three? About three? Yeah?
Speaker 3 (04:42):
Yeah, I probably made about an hour and a half.
I made an hour and a half solid. I mean,
it seemed like it was like I'm a defender, so
it seemed like the type of game I should like,
but I didn't like it, Like it didn't. It just
seemed boring. It was very boring to me. Am I
(05:04):
wrong for that?
Speaker 2 (05:05):
No? I think that's probably the thought that a lot
of people had watching that game last night.
Speaker 3 (05:11):
I started like entertaining myself, like creating different storylines, like
does does the quarterbacks in this game?
Speaker 2 (05:20):
Does dobbs and and uh? Justin fields and fields?
Speaker 3 (05:25):
Do they look like runts from like you know, a
cartoon or like a cartoon character from like Disney or
something like that. Like, I started like doing different things
to like entertain myself.
Speaker 2 (05:37):
Oh, you would have been more entertained if it was
the Nickelodeon broadc Yes, yes, yeah, like people would like
the Nickelodeon.
Speaker 3 (05:44):
Like make them look like real life like toy story
type stuff.
Speaker 2 (05:47):
Yeah. I would have been more entertained on a double
dare set now like a chocolate slide pulling a fly.
Speaker 3 (05:53):
I would have never thought it would have never thought
that that would end up where I'd be at watching
an NFL football game with so many turnovers. Again, I'm
a defender, so I'd love to see the defensive guys
get their due.
Speaker 2 (06:06):
But man, it was weird. Yeah, it's very weird. Yeah,
it was a not a great football game, and look,
neither team is all that great. But as we stand
right now, the Minnesota Vikings still have the seventh seed
in the NFC playoffs.
Speaker 5 (06:20):
And this is what you wanted. Last night was exactly
what you want.
Speaker 2 (06:26):
Why would you want that? Okay, Look, we nobody has
celebrated the Josh Dobbs run this year like this show has.
We have been pounding the table for Josh Dobbs comeback
Player of the Year. That seemed to take a bit
of a hit last night, but his coach did talk afterwards.
Kevin O'Connell talked about the performance of Josh Dobbs and
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what to expect moving forward, and did point out and
this was a lot of box score readers aren't going
to point out, you know, some of those picks not
not totally his fault.
Speaker 6 (06:58):
Josh is.
Speaker 4 (06:59):
As much as he done some really good things for us,
he's still getting comfortable in our pass game. Play pass game,
knowing where your quick eligibles are to put the ball
in play, drop back pass, taking the right footwork, feet
and eyes, all those things we're working through that. I
think three of the interceptions we're off of tip balls.
The rhythm and timing of our offense just not feeling
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as crisp as we want to, and we just got
to continue to try to find a way to make
the quarterback as comfortable as possible. Defense would love to
get a stop there on that last one, but we
just put them in far too many difficult situations that
they did respond to and offensively, we've got to be
better now.
Speaker 2 (07:38):
I would like to say that without Justin Jefferson, maybe
it's hard to get a better evaluation of Josh Dobbs
like you get Justin Jefferson back then we can have
the discussion.
Speaker 3 (07:49):
But what didn't Q give us a stat yesterday? And
I said that they were doing very well without them?
Speaker 6 (07:56):
I think there were five and one?
Speaker 5 (07:58):
Yeah without Justice ever said what and four with him?
Speaker 3 (08:02):
So you can't go back on what that that?
Speaker 6 (08:04):
You know, kind of crazy?
Speaker 2 (08:06):
Yeah, for the sake of the take whatever you want
this game. You know what.
Speaker 3 (08:11):
I'm with you, You know what I'm with you there,
you know what, go ahead and do what you want
to do.
Speaker 2 (08:16):
You are exactly right, you know, retroactively, this is how
this you know, thought on this game should have been.
Speaker 3 (08:23):
I have a.
Speaker 2 (08:24):
I would like to make a request to the NFL, though,
and you guys have have more.
Speaker 3 (08:28):
Pull than I do, obviously, can you please stop putting
these types of games as your primetime games in November.
Speaker 2 (08:34):
This is what I would like to say. Please, all right, please.
Speaker 6 (08:37):
Me I kind of.
Speaker 2 (08:40):
So this is what I Hey, no, all right, this
is my request to the NFL. And we're not asking
for a whole lot after you made us sit through
that game last night. And by the way, some of
the games this weekend were a bag of crap.
Speaker 3 (08:53):
Yeah, but some of them. Some of them were dope.
Speaker 2 (08:56):
Though.
Speaker 3 (08:56):
There were some dope games. This this I mean that
that that Philly game was a dope game.
Speaker 6 (09:01):
Man.
Speaker 2 (09:01):
Did you see the Black Friday game? I did? Did?
Speaker 3 (09:05):
I did? I was embarrassed that it was Black Friday
for that game, you know, shouts out the mind. Racis No.
I was all in on it, though, Sam, you know
what I mean, Like it wasn't racist. I was like
all in on Black Friday having football, and we was
going to get black football players playing football amongst other
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races of people of color. By the way, I don't
leave Tim Boyle. Don't leave him out. Please don't leave This.
Speaker 2 (09:38):
Is my right. This is my request of the NFL
after what they put us through this weekend. I would
like for us to eliminate the three three of the
teams making the NFC playoffs. I would like to just
fast track this and if we could just get it
down to the divisional round. And this may work itself anyways,
(10:00):
but if we could just get Philly, San fran Detroit
and Dallas will completely eliminate the NFC South winner. And
let's just trim the fat and get straight to the
best teams in the NFC. How about this?
Speaker 3 (10:12):
How about we go like opens like you know, you
have like the the determined divisions. How about you go
open division, meaning like once you get to a certain
point in the year, if you're like a bubble team
and you're not like in that realm of being like
a first seed or a second second one in you
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go into an open meaning the best of the rest.
I don't give a damn if you're NFC or AFC,
you guys will meet in the first round of the playoff.
That would be dope. Yeah, that would be super dope.
Speaker 5 (10:52):
I'd rather see them do something that the NBA does,
which I usually advise against that a little play in, No,
not even a play it.
Speaker 6 (11:03):
I don't know why I said the NBA does, because
they don't. But they should.
Speaker 5 (11:07):
Do a rerack like go based on once we get
to the end of the season, do a rerack and
just do away with the conferences and have the best
team's best record square off.
Speaker 2 (11:19):
I think that would be dope. Oh god, so.
Speaker 5 (11:21):
Then, because you like, right now, if I was to
tell you the Texans the Bills, I'll throw in the
Broncos too. I feel like they could actually do more
in the playoffs than probably the Vikings right now, maybe
even Seattle, definitely Atlanta.
Speaker 2 (11:41):
Is that fair to say?
Speaker 3 (11:43):
Broncos are looking like a Sean Payton lead team and
a Russell Wilson quarterbacked team.
Speaker 2 (11:49):
The NFCS, the NFC South winner, and the two wild
card teams not named Dallas. You you can go cut
a fart in the other room, like we don't want
to see.
Speaker 3 (12:00):
It was kind of funny.
Speaker 5 (12:01):
Seattle's the other team, though, I think I don't know
what of you two is Highland Seattle Seattle.
Speaker 2 (12:06):
I may have I may have picked them to win
the It wasn't me.
Speaker 3 (12:09):
Yeah, I may have picked that?
Speaker 2 (12:11):
Is that was reckless. It was that after after Thanksgiving
night it was over.
Speaker 3 (12:16):
I mean, there's only one team in the West, but
that still was reckless. You thought it was a two
horse race, but it was really only one.
Speaker 2 (12:24):
I should have done.
Speaker 5 (12:26):
I'm telling you right now, the Rams are at five
and six, they're gonna be a playoff team.
Speaker 2 (12:30):
And hey, their schedule is manageable down.
Speaker 6 (12:35):
So I mean, it's much easier compared to some others.
Speaker 5 (12:37):
Like I'm telling you right now, at five and six,
they are going to make a run.
Speaker 6 (12:41):
They're going to find their way in.
Speaker 2 (12:43):
And by the way, yourself, Sean McVay just had a baby.
Nobody wants to make the playoffs more than Sean McVay. Hey,
got it work again this week. Don't know what to
tell you.
Speaker 6 (12:54):
Dead beat like that. Don't say that.
Speaker 2 (12:56):
I think babies are dope, dude.
Speaker 6 (12:59):
It's the best. But that's such a bad choke.
Speaker 3 (13:09):
Yeah, I betty baby, I bet you that baby gonna
win all kinds of beauty prizes.
Speaker 2 (13:16):
I tell you that. Shouts out to the McVeigh fan.
If you look at the RAM schedule, the RAM schedules
really manageable, and they could end up sneaking into the playoffs.
Speaker 3 (13:28):
It's a real speaking of sneaker, you will hear a
funny story. I was as I was watching the football game,
trying to maintain my focus, I hear trish scream and
I mean it was profane language that that was being screamed,
and I needed to figure out what was going on
because you.
Speaker 6 (13:46):
Did it startle you or just kind of like, oh know,
here we go.
Speaker 3 (13:48):
Well, she's from New Jersey, so it doesn't startle me
when when she hollers. It's just more or less like
their way of life, you know, oh they're they're her foul,
potty mouth, like just very aggressive held.
Speaker 5 (14:07):
So what is a second? My wife's from Boston, same thing.
I would describe her the same exact way, where I'm like, man,
she's got a worse mouth.
Speaker 6 (14:14):
Than I have.
Speaker 2 (14:15):
It's pretty bad.
Speaker 6 (14:16):
It's crazy, right yeah.
Speaker 3 (14:17):
So so I hear the door chimes going off, and
you know, you can know what's going on around the
crib by what door chime goes off, like what it says,
and it's said the main garage, da da, da, this
that and the other. I'm like, oh s and I
know that's that's Santa's workshop. Oh no, So come to
find out my eight year old daughter. She's she's finally
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discovering that Santa visits the house before Christmas. Oh no,
damn so so Trisha takes the older one to cheer
practice and comes home and goes into Santa's workshop because
she is indeed Santa helper, special helper, and she realized
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that all of the babies, you know, the eight year
old stuff, had been moved around. So the eight year
old took the liberty of being while man. My my
younger son, the twin son is cleaning his room for
him and a dog, because they live in the same room.
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That's that's the proper place and living quarters for them.
He's cleaning his room. I'm trying to watch the game,
and she needed stimulation for her mind, and she wandered
into Sanna's workshop and saw the amount of gifts that
she was getting thus far. Now, I don't know how
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it all played out, because all I did was and
I will say to my I guess I don't know.
My defense on not seeing the entire game that I
forced myself to close my eyes, force myself to close
my eyes because I didn't want to be.
Speaker 6 (16:06):
A part of it.
Speaker 3 (16:08):
And then I get in trouble like I get in
trouble when the kids get in trouble. So I had
to deal with like being woke woken up at least
like fake woking up, like I really closed my eyes
like I was sleep but I really wasn't. And she
came in, She's like, you're not You're not going you
don't have anything to say about this. You're not You're
not going to get up in and and parent this situation.
I said, well, you've already told her what it is
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and what's going to happen, and why she shouldn't and
why she did and this that you you covered off everything.
I could hear it as I was falling asleep. I said,
I have to go into work. If you would like
to get up and go into work for me, I
can get up and go talk to her and do
that thing and you can get the rest that I
need so that I can get up and be coherent
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for work in the morning.
Speaker 2 (16:54):
Was that a good move?
Speaker 3 (16:56):
So that that was how I escaped last night, and
she seemed to be okay, and I left for work
this morning, like you know, she said she loved me,
which means that I did get through that bit of
a tough patch. But sometimes you got an alligator arm it,
you know, man, Yeah, you know. I didn't know how
to handle it, Like should I get up and go running?
Like as as the father?
Speaker 2 (17:16):
What do I do? Like? What do I say?
Speaker 3 (17:18):
She's good?
Speaker 2 (17:18):
Take it in day job?
Speaker 3 (17:21):
Look at that? There you go, Like, I know I
don't work out at this hour, but you know, but
you're wearing flip flops. Yeah, I don't worry about it,
but like I needed to get up out of here,
do some palasthetics.
Speaker 2 (17:33):
Uh.
Speaker 3 (17:34):
And I was more intriguing and entertaining than the game
I watched last night, by the way, And.
Speaker 2 (17:38):
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the Vikings and the Bears.
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Speaker 3 (18:56):
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Speaker 2 (19:02):
Yeah, boy, this is Look, I don't know if I
should be surprised, but I'm kind of surprised that it
actually happened in season. And we've been speculating, all right,
what's going on in Carolina, Like, what's actually happened?
Speaker 3 (19:14):
Right, Carolina's been telling us about his close friend and
business mentor and Tepper. You know, he's been telling us
the whole entire time that he saw the handwriting on
the wall, by the way Temper was crunching the numbers
and all that stuff on, you know, the the prognostications
of where where Reich went end up as a coach.
Speaker 2 (19:34):
And it went down shortly after we went off the
area yesterday, Frank Reich gone. He has fired as head
coach of the many games. There's what are we eleven games?
Speaker 7 (19:44):
Now?
Speaker 2 (19:45):
How many years?
Speaker 3 (19:45):
How many games?
Speaker 2 (19:46):
Eleven twelve games, something like that. But he becomes the
first coach since the merger in nineteen seventy to be
fired in back to back seasons. Frank Frank Now, he
did speak, you know, with the local reporter and just
kind of said, hey, you know, I'm not done coaching,
but as far as his NFL, you know, you might
be a big coach. Yeah, It's just not going to
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happen in the NFL anymore. So disappointing for Frank Reich.
He was brought in there, and just the way NFL
Network made it play out yesterday though, was that he
was sort of a fallback plan because they had interest
in Ben Johnson, the offensive coordinator from Detroit, and he
decided to stay put and so now Carolina finds themselves
in a familiar spot to where they're looking for a
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head coach, which seems like what they've been doing for
the past several years. So bad spot for Frank Reich,
bad spot for Bryce Young and company. But welcome to
the Carolina Panthers under David Temper.
Speaker 5 (20:39):
I mean, well, I disagree with the past several years.
I mean, obviously, you know, they just fired Matt Ruhle
last year, and I think the tough thing is is
this is not a second head coach that I mean,
you talk about like wanting to rebuild, you talk about
wanting to give them patients. You haven't given him any
of that. And I think when you are a owner
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who David Temper has some experience as a minority owner.
He bought a small steak in the Pittsburgh Steelers back
in two thousand and eight, I believe, so he obviously
saw how quite possibly one of the best organizations, if
not the best, has operated. And I don't know if
the firing of Matt Canada something that the Steelers hadn't
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done an nd season firing like that since nineteen forty one.
I'm not sure if that played a role in his
decision to fire Frank Reich. I'm not sure if his
it's his history or background being in finance, where you
can take companies, you can look at their balance sheets
and you can then evaluate, you know, what assets, what
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potential opportunity and profitability could be there if you implement
a few different strategies to turn around the organization. I'm
not sure if he feels like it's that simple, and
he feels like that he's got this intuition or knowledge
that the rest of NFL owners don't and he just
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hasn't found the right guy to be the head coach
yet to turn things around, turn those numbers around the
world of football.
Speaker 6 (22:14):
But it feels like he's applying what he's done in.
Speaker 5 (22:17):
The past to have success in the NFL, and that's
just not a recipe for success. Like this is a
people person business. This takes time. There's no exact formula,
there's no exact science for this. This is how it works,
Like it takes time to transition over a roster. We
rebuild a roster. So maybe there's an element of him
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trying to, you know, say, I know this isn't right
or we missed whoever it was whether it was Scott
Fideral general manager that's still there, which is a bit
surprising if this has to do with Bryce Young or
the lack of development Bryce hung even though they've they've
said that, hey, we feel like we're making these changes
to help Bryce Young succeed. It's like, Okay, well, Frank
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Reik's a damn good coach. He was a good player.
Josh McCown played for a long time. He's gone too.
Dude Staley, great player, you know, he's gone too. Like
all those guys came in with the reputation of being,
you know, good players, great locker room guys, good for
the development of Bryce Young and any other younger player
on that roster, and now they're all gone before you
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even let the seas the first season getting through it.
It just it feels like this is an example of
an owner interjecting himself and now I think moving forward,
he's got to look squarely in the mirror because he's
the one that's that's accountable for what this has become.
And it feels like a mess, and it feels like
a job that someone's gonna take it because he's got money,
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and they've got money to be able to pay someone,
but you're now going to be paying for two coaches
for the foreseeable future. And I just don't know how
you can walk in and take that job and think, yeah,
like I'm I'm gonna have any time to make this
team when I think it's capable of making and the
roster is far from where it needs to be.
Speaker 3 (24:08):
H Growing up in Pittsburgh again, I always tell the
story that I heard when I went pro. You heard
the legends of the Rooney family and how they did things.
And I was at some event and we were talking
about the most successful owners and successful franchises, and the
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story that ensued was they came in that you know,
everybody gets there at a certain certain time. You get
there your early da, da da. But depending on who's earliest,
this that almost like becomes a competition, who's their earliest
to get there early bird gets the worm. Well, one
of the guys came in. They were running a little
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late boom. They park at the back of the parking lot,
get out of the car, walking in and he sees
the main Rooney like at the time, I want, I
want to say it was the one after which one
was the one that was made the ambassador in Ireland
or something like that. Was that Dad, that Johnson not
not Woody it was it was it was a it
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was a ruining one of the roonies. But it was
the one after Art Dan.
Speaker 2 (25:21):
Is it Dad?
Speaker 3 (25:22):
He was like the older one, the gray hair, you know,
passed away like he was probably Dan Rooney.
Speaker 2 (25:27):
Okay, yeah, it sounds about right.
Speaker 3 (25:29):
Well, he's walking in from the back of the parking
lot with with the guy that's telling the story about,
you know, getting in late, and he looked at it,
looked at him and said, what do you what do
you parked back here for?
Speaker 2 (25:42):
Like, where are you walking this far away? He said, well,
I got in late. He's the same reason why you're whining.
He said.
Speaker 3 (25:47):
If I want to park closer, I'll get in earlier.
And that mentality when when you humanize yourself to people
that look at you as something other than a person,
it has an outstanding, like like just a profound impact
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on how people view things and how they view the world.
You know, not to make any crazy comparisons, but I
played for an owner that what you're kind of what
you're talking about, Q that was disconnected to understanding how
people driven football really is. Football culture really is. And
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this dude thought that making everything, which I'm sure it
can work, but this man had They had all calves
of reserve parking lots. First parking lot was reserved for him,
little Danny, second parking lot was reserved for his dad. Yeah,
and then the third parking lot was reserved for the
other owner. And then there was like all kinds of
other reserved or spots. So by the time you get
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through all of the reserved spots, you know, you're trying
to find a spot that isn't very close. But what
made it interesting is a lot of the things that
you see. Owners that don't understand the humanistic aspect of
running a franchise create division amongst the people that work there.
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It's like a natural thing that develops like that, that's
one of his guys or I'm not one of his guys,
or why is this person getting that type of preferential
treatment this person over here? And I mean it's stemmed
far beyond just the locker room. It stemmed into the
media area. It's stemmed into the cells. Like the salespeople
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were at odds, the media people were at odds, the
scouting department were at every everybody's at odds because everybody's
fighting for something that's kind of the same, but it's
it's it's very different. You're not fighting to win and
go in the same direction. You're fighting to have the owners,
you know, his his okay or his blessing, or to
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be one of his guys. That's what you're fighting for.
And I think when owners make it about themselves, it
just becomes a very very difficult proposition in the sport
of football to actually have a level of success that
you're looking for. I always say it's hard enough to
win on Sundays in terms of just preparing for the game,
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but when you talk about all of the other elements
that come into play and what you have to try
to navigate during the course of a week, during the
course of a season, during the course of an off season,
the less distractions, the less divisiveness, the more together that
you are, the more the closer that you guys are
and the buy in that's what really gets people through.
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You get good coaching, but it's the buy in of
one another, not the fractured type of relationships or how
it works together. And so when you get an owner
that doesn't understand it that way and doesn't make you
feel like we're in this together. You're not taking ownership
over what you're doing. You're looking at it as I'm
doing my job, and that's that's kind of a said
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commentary if you asked me.
Speaker 2 (29:11):
And I think David Tepper is starting to discover it's
a lot harder to be an owner than he realized.
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Speaker 2 (29:25):
Apparently money is not much of an issue for Texas
A and M. They already O what is jimbo Fisher getting?
What's he getting? Like seventy seven million something like?
Speaker 5 (29:34):
Yeah, seventy seven million, not all at once though it
gets paid out.
Speaker 6 (29:38):
Over a period of years. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (29:39):
Well, Mike Elko, who is the duke head coach, he
is now the next head coach at Texas A and M.
He will take over in college, so they'll pay you. Well,
here's the contractual numbers that we're looking at here. Ultimately, this,
according to ESPN, it's a six year contract at a
base salary of seven million dollars per year, but with
several college for ball plenty two Yeah, several college football
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playoff incentives. Here he gets one million dollars for a
college football playoff appearance, forty three one point five for
advancing to the college football playoff quarterfinals, four point five
or winning the SEC.
Speaker 6 (30:15):
Too many that's per year, by the way, if he
had sending those incentives in each year.
Speaker 2 (30:19):
Yeah, wow. Two million dollars for a college football playoff
semi final appearance, two point five for a college football
playoff game title game appearance, three point five million for
a national title. And the contract includes eleven million dollars
salary pool for assistance and support staff. And uh yeah,
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he's getting paid. And he's off leaving Durham and in
College station to take over there for the Aggies.
Speaker 6 (30:46):
Which I'll be honest with you, it's it's not. I mean,
I like the way the contract is structured for Texas
A and M.
Speaker 2 (30:52):
You know, it's not.
Speaker 5 (30:52):
You're not paying him close to the top. He's very
well paid, don't get me wrong, but this is a university.
It's paying off a guy who's making seventy seven million
not to coach. So from that standard, it's like, well
that's not that much, right, I mean, LaVar, you just
crunch the numbers where we're saying some of the forties
for a seven year deal.
Speaker 6 (31:09):
Yes, I mean Jimbo's getting more.
Speaker 5 (31:13):
Yes, So you know, I think it's a smart structure
because they're essentially rewarding him for success, which is ultimately
what you want to do. So he's rewarded. And I'll
say this, if they win a national championship, Okay, three
point five million is out what the bonus is?
Speaker 2 (31:29):
Yeah?
Speaker 5 (31:30):
Now, of course, like if he makes all of those
incentives along the way, Like what would that add up to?
Speaker 6 (31:35):
That's another what seven million on top of that?
Speaker 3 (31:37):
Like you said that, that's if it were yearly, you're
you're talking about yeah, like seven million, seven point five
So so it takes.
Speaker 5 (31:45):
You up to about fourteen points. So you'd be the
highest paid in that case based on what you've earned.
It's a six year deal, six or seven six, six
year deal. Yeah, so that he's in Texas, so that helps.
Speaker 6 (31:56):
No statedicum tax, Yeah, it helps.
Speaker 5 (31:58):
But the general point is this is you're rewarding him
for this success of their team. You're not just giving
him a big you know, bunch, big sum of money
and saying here you go, like, we trust that you'll,
you know, figure it out and we'll win a national championship.
And so the point is it's a smart structured contract
compared to what they just dealt with with Jimbo Fisher.
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And I'd say this, even if you pay him annitional
seven million and they win a national championship, do you
not think the university is going to make more I
mean seven million for a national championship to your head
coach through all those incentives on top of the you know.
Speaker 6 (32:33):
So what fourteen million whatever it is total one one year.
Speaker 5 (32:37):
That's chump change compared to what the university is actually
gonna make if Texas and M was to win a
national championship. So I think this is a very well
structured contract that could work for both parties. If Mike
Elko is successful, he'll get compensated like one of the
top coaches in college football or the top coach, and
you know, if he's not, he won't And that actually
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saves the downside risk for tex SA and M in
this case, given again the monumental largest in the history
of college football buyout that we saw for Jimbo Fisher.
Speaker 2 (33:08):
I'm just a little confused because I like I was
hearing that Ryan Day was interested in the job or
they were interested in him. So I'm a little confused
as to it feels like there was a lot of
reports and rumors out there that just kind of died
over the way.
Speaker 6 (33:21):
It was legitimate, though, were they?
Speaker 2 (33:24):
Yeah? Didn't Urban Was urban Meyer laughing at the report
or something like that, when.
Speaker 5 (33:28):
Well, it was Bruce Feldman's report, So if you're going
to take a shot at the report, you'd be taking
a shot at Bruce, which I could promise you this.
They're legitimate in the sense of at least how tech
san unfelt. Then maybe they could get an interview from that,
which was what the report was.
Speaker 2 (33:41):
You do you think Ryan Day would have seriously entertained
the job?
Speaker 3 (33:46):
Why not?
Speaker 5 (33:47):
I would say to Lvar's point, generally, you should always
entertain every opportunity. Yes, Like I talk about this all
the time from a front office perspective. If I'm John
Lynch and he called the Patriots and number of years
in a row and asked, Hey, is Tom Brady available?
Speaker 6 (34:02):
Nope?
Speaker 5 (34:02):
Okay, cool? You make them say no. If you're Texas
A and M, and you're saying, we want to cast
the widest that we can. We called John Gruden. Maybe
we called right Like, you want to call every possible
coach you think is a good coach and going to
help you win, regardless of what other circumstances that the
media are people on the outside talk about.
Speaker 6 (34:22):
You call them and you ask and make them say no.
Speaker 5 (34:25):
If you think they're an upgrader, you think they can
help you win, you make them say no before you
move on.
Speaker 6 (34:31):
So, look, Ryan Day is a great coach.
Speaker 5 (34:33):
I'm sure Texas A and M was hoping if they
lost maybe there'd be an opportunity for them to get
him as a head coach or at least talk to
him about becoming their head coach.
Speaker 2 (34:43):
It's kind of wild that Ryan Days got only one
other loss outside of the Michigan game. They talk about
getting rid of him.
Speaker 5 (34:51):
Yeah, well, but that's the difference. He's got what six
losses or something like that. It's like, that's the difference
is if a HIG state doesn't want them, and all
the Buckeye Nation bands are like, hey, you know, we
can't be Michigan.
Speaker 6 (35:04):
We want to move on. Okay, Well someone else will
gladly take Ryan dasoner.
Speaker 3 (35:08):
One loss, your one loss, you're one went away from perfection,
and they talking about firing you. I told her, I
was on social media. I told them people. I said,
if y'all were held to the same standard that y'all
beholding your coach to for for one one games and
lost games in your own personal life and in your job,
you would be fired. You'd be unemployed, right if you
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had to live up to that standard that you're sitting
there judging that man off of you would have no job.
Speaker 5 (35:33):
I would say this though, growing up in Columbus, Ohio
and living through the John Cooper era, being a recruit
for Jim Trussel and understanding there's respect there, I also
think there's a fair amount of hatred like and I
think that's it's okay to admit that. I've heard people
try to downplay that rivalry. It's like, no man like Michigan.
(35:57):
They don't like you, ch'all.
Speaker 2 (35:58):
I get that part.
Speaker 5 (35:59):
Like there's there's hattiness too to just people who live
in in both states. So all I'm saying is it's
like it's because someone asked the question if Ohio State
went six and six next year, but be Michigan, would
that be a good year.
Speaker 6 (36:14):
Well, in some people's mind yes, like like that's how
crazy it is.
Speaker 5 (36:18):
And some people's mind, yes, if they won that one game,
regardless of how the rest of the seasons went, it
would be a good season. It's crazy to think that way,
but that's that's how that rivalry is. It is the
greatest rivalry in college football. I would say it argues
any rivalry in any sport, in any sport.
Speaker 2 (36:38):
I don't have a problem with with all of that.
Speaker 3 (36:41):
I just have a problem with your your I told
people this when when the whole Franklin stuff hit, because
he has two losses over you know, four losses over
the last two years, and it's to the same two teams.
And I'm like, are you closer to elite or are
you closer to media.
Speaker 6 (37:01):
And to me?
Speaker 3 (37:03):
And we talked about this earlier in the show when
we talked about right getting fired and how you run things.
This is a people ran, people led type of business
and industry and category. If you're closer to elite, I'd
rather try to figure out how to get to elite
versus take the risk of I'm going to bring somebody
(37:24):
else new end and although they may be an elite coach,
you're still taking the risk in a tremendous chance that
you may lose where it is that you're at.
Speaker 2 (37:33):
I mean, remember we made the point a couple months ago.
Nebraska fans wanted Bo Polini outs crazy, and they haven't
been that good since. He's been the best they've had
in a lot haven't been that good since. So you're
right there at it fans be you know, and I
get it. Like I said, I listen if if that's
your rivalry, I get it. You know, the rivalry was
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pretty strong still.
Speaker 3 (37:54):
When I went to Washington, I hadn't witnessed a rivalry
outside of high school North allegating North Hills. That's a
hate rivalry, but at the highest level it was. Washington
and Dallas were a tremendously heated rivalry used to be
and it was still at that feverish pitch that you
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could lose every game, but as long as you win
the games against Dallas, it's like it's a it's a
win of a season, which is crazy to think, but
that's how our fans. A lot of fans thought, I
get it, but I don't.
Speaker 2 (38:27):
I just don't.
Speaker 3 (38:28):
I don't understand why you would be okay with just
that win. Like work to be great. It's not just
about winning the rivalry games. I know that's what makes
it fun for fans, but it's still talking about winning
it as a whole. What does that look like as
a whole, not just one singular part, one singular piece.
(38:49):
You're one game away from being perfect one game, and
you rather fire him because he didn't win that one game.
Speaker 2 (38:56):
That just I don't.
Speaker 3 (38:58):
It just doesn't compute well for me.
Speaker 2 (39:00):
It's like growing up, it was always Hilliard, Davidson and
Dublin Goffman.
Speaker 6 (39:03):
For my god, why do you do this?
Speaker 2 (39:05):
What are you talking about?
Speaker 6 (39:06):
I mean, it's just you. You try so hard to
act like you're from there. Jay.
Speaker 5 (39:12):
I will say this about uh about Matt rule Nebraska,
Like they went five and seven this year, which.
Speaker 6 (39:17):
At one point they were five and three.
Speaker 5 (39:18):
They lost the last four all one scoring games though,
and they I think they sneakily could get in a
Bowl game if like some other people's other squads don't
want to go. That are six win teams, they can
qualify because they're APR. But I'm not betting against Nebraska
like slowly building back with Matt Ruhle, Like like we've
seen this story before, where year one not quite as good,
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and then like your two they get better than year three.
Speaker 6 (39:41):
They're like they're competing.
Speaker 5 (39:42):
And I know they're adding a bunch of teams from
the PAC twelve in Oregon and Washington and obviously USC
and UCLA. But it's gonna be that's gonna be an
interesting program to watch to see what Matt Rule can
do with them.
Speaker 2 (39:52):
I wonder if Matt Ruhle called Frank Raich yesterday, like, hey, man,
come out and have a beer. Let's share some stories,
you know, let's let's hear some fun stories working with
David Tepper with all the millions he paid us to
go ahead and be gone.
Speaker 5 (40:05):
The crazy thing is too if you think about the
Matt Rule era in Carolina, they were a far more
competitive football team than what the Panthers were this year.
Speaker 6 (40:16):
I mean, like they were a seven win team was
the last two years?
Speaker 5 (40:20):
Yeah, I mean their defense was playing much better, they
were running the football better.
Speaker 6 (40:25):
I mean that's the problem is.
Speaker 5 (40:26):
I know there was a bunch of turnover on the roster,
but not to the point where they felt they lacked
that much competitiveness
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Speaker 2 (00:13):
Well, I'll say this, the Iowa Hawkeyes are off the hook.
They're on it now.
Speaker 3 (00:20):
Viking Vikings are on it. They're on that.
Speaker 4 (00:23):
Man.
Speaker 2 (00:24):
The NFC Central's back boys, the Bears and the Vikings
put on a classic last night that was rough to watch.
Joe Buck and Troy Aikman were so relieved that that
game was ending when it did, like.
Speaker 3 (00:38):
They were so happy. A bit of a snoozer, man,
And I mean literally, I've been working all morning to
watch it again by highlights, which weren't very bitty.
Speaker 5 (00:54):
Yeah, I watched the whole thing and I sent out
some text to Jonas while was happening, because he did this.
He did this, LeVar, What did I do? Because here's
what Jonahs does. Jonas, who's a lifelong Bears fan, had
this negative attitude and wanted to make it seem like
the Bears had no shot and all this stuff. And
(01:15):
I kept thinking, man, that lion looks funky, and the
Bear since they got Montes went defensively had been a
little better, and obviously with fields dual threat ability to
a building to run the football. It kind of limits
what you could do sometimes defensively if you're Brian Flores, sure.
Speaker 6 (01:33):
Enough, sure enough.
Speaker 5 (01:35):
Josh Dobbs ends up having what four picks and the
ball was being battered around like a vall.
Speaker 3 (01:40):
I mean, it could have been like six or seven picks.
Speaker 6 (01:43):
It looked like volleyball.
Speaker 5 (01:45):
It looked like the ball went in the air and
everyone just kind of setting it, bumping it, spiking it was.
It was tough to watch, but you felt like at
some point Dobbs and the Vikings were gonna have one
of those games, and unfortunately it was.
Speaker 6 (02:00):
It was last night.
Speaker 2 (02:02):
Are you saying the bloom is off the roads, so
to speak, when it comes to Josh.
Speaker 5 (02:06):
Dobbs, if you want to put it that way, you can,
you can say it. But there's been a lot of
things that have gone his way where he's got had
some luck and things have worked out for him. This
was an instance where like nothing seemed to go their way,
and then that being said, they still had a shot
to win the game, which was miraculous. But I sat
(02:27):
there with my wife, I look next to her, I
go watch this, I go field is gonna drive them down.
He's gonna scramble a little bit, but he's probably gonna
find Dj Moore for a.
Speaker 6 (02:36):
Couple of big plays.
Speaker 5 (02:36):
And I just kept telling her in breaking routes, in
breaking rounds, I go, at some point they're gonna start
throwing some in breaking routes and then they're gonna set
up for a field go to win. And so watching
I sat there. Guy, I didn't even know why I watched.
I probably wasted twenty minutes of sleep that I could
have been in bed, but instead watching it happen. I
was like, yep, yep, that's just that's how this game
was gonna happen.
Speaker 3 (02:59):
Uh, I was watching, saw my babykwan get get him
a h get him a nice little.
Speaker 2 (03:08):
By the way the bear secondary like, there's some there's
some guys.
Speaker 3 (03:12):
Johnson on that bait move that, yeah, they're pretty good,
pretty good.
Speaker 6 (03:17):
But I mean Joe Johnson's gonna be a free ah though.
Speaker 2 (03:19):
But.
Speaker 3 (03:21):
That was one hell of a bait move on what
looked like him jumping the end route and then dropping
back into two coverage is what it looked like. Yeah,
I mean I saw, I saw parts of the game.
Really tried to put my my analytics, uh you know,
(03:42):
expert hat on to watch the game and get into it.
And before I knew it, I think I was like
one of those Navy seals who were having to hold
their breath underwater and you pass out and you you
start to sink into the biss and you don't even
realize at your passing out. And I was fighting it,
(04:03):
I promise you guys, I was. I was watching and
I was fighting, and I was watching like I felt
like I was in the game because I had to
fight to stay awake to watch this game.
Speaker 2 (04:16):
And I'm just being honest. Listen, that's that's the right approach.
I'm just being honest. Honest.
Speaker 3 (04:22):
Yeah, I'm just being honest, like about what we saw.
Speaker 2 (04:25):
I really was doubt in.
Speaker 3 (04:26):
I was watching Billions until it came on and then
the game came came on, and which, by the way,
I was watching Billions for about maybe two and a
half three hours. How long is a football game?
Speaker 2 (04:40):
About three? About three? Yeah?
Speaker 3 (04:42):
Yeah, I probably made about an hour and a half.
I made an hour and a half solid. I mean,
it seemed like it was like I'm a defender, so
it seemed like the type of game I should like,
but I didn't like it, Like it didn't. It just
seemed boring. It was very boring to me. Am I
(05:04):
wrong for that?
Speaker 2 (05:05):
No? I think that's probably the thought that a lot
of people had watching that game last night.
Speaker 3 (05:11):
I started like entertaining myself, like creating different storylines, like
does does the quarterbacks in this game?
Speaker 2 (05:20):
Does dobbs and and uh? Justin fields and fields?
Speaker 3 (05:25):
Do they look like runts from like you know, a
cartoon or like a cartoon character from like Disney or
something like that. Like, I started like doing different things
to like entertain myself.
Speaker 2 (05:37):
Oh, you would have been more entertained if it was
the Nickelodeon broadc Yes, yes, yeah, like people would like
the Nickelodeon.
Speaker 3 (05:44):
Like make them look like real life like toy story
type stuff.
Speaker 2 (05:47):
Yeah. I would have been more entertained on a double
dare set now like a chocolate slide pulling a fly.
Speaker 3 (05:53):
I would have never thought it would have never thought
that that would end up where I'd be at watching
an NFL football game with so many turnovers. Again, I'm
a defender, so I'd love to see the defensive guys
get their due.
Speaker 2 (06:06):
But man, it was weird. Yeah, it's very weird. Yeah,
it was a not a great football game, and look,
neither team is all that great. But as we stand
right now, the Minnesota Vikings still have the seventh seed
in the NFC playoffs.
Speaker 5 (06:20):
And this is what you wanted. Last night was exactly
what you want.
Speaker 2 (06:26):
Why would you want that? Okay, Look, we nobody has
celebrated the Josh Dobbs run this year like this show has.
We have been pounding the table for Josh Dobbs comeback
Player of the Year. That seemed to take a bit
of a hit last night, but his coach did talk afterwards.
Kevin O'Connell talked about the performance of Josh Dobbs and
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what to expect moving forward, and did point out and
this was a lot of box score readers aren't going
to point out, you know, some of those picks not
not totally his fault.
Speaker 6 (06:58):
Josh is.
Speaker 4 (06:59):
As much as he done some really good things for us,
he's still getting comfortable in our pass game. Play pass game,
knowing where your quick eligibles are to put the ball
in play, drop back pass, taking the right footwork, feet
and eyes, all those things we're working through that. I
think three of the interceptions we're off of tip balls.
The rhythm and timing of our offense just not feeling
(07:21):
as crisp as we want to, and we just got
to continue to try to find a way to make
the quarterback as comfortable as possible. Defense would love to
get a stop there on that last one, but we
just put them in far too many difficult situations that
they did respond to and offensively, we've got to be
better now.
Speaker 2 (07:38):
I would like to say that without Justin Jefferson, maybe
it's hard to get a better evaluation of Josh Dobbs
like you get Justin Jefferson back then we can have
the discussion.
Speaker 3 (07:49):
But what didn't Q give us a stat yesterday? And
I said that they were doing very well without them?
Speaker 6 (07:56):
I think there were five and one?
Speaker 5 (07:58):
Yeah without Justice ever said what and four with him?
Speaker 3 (08:02):
So you can't go back on what that that?
Speaker 6 (08:04):
You know, kind of crazy?
Speaker 2 (08:06):
Yeah, for the sake of the take whatever you want
this game. You know what.
Speaker 3 (08:11):
I'm with you, You know what I'm with you there,
you know what, go ahead and do what you want
to do.
Speaker 2 (08:16):
You are exactly right, you know, retroactively, this is how
this you know, thought on this game should have been.
Speaker 3 (08:23):
I have a.
Speaker 2 (08:24):
I would like to make a request to the NFL, though,
and you guys have have more.
Speaker 3 (08:28):
Pull than I do, obviously, can you please stop putting
these types of games as your primetime games in November.
Speaker 2 (08:34):
This is what I would like to say. Please, all right, please.
Speaker 6 (08:37):
Me I kind of.
Speaker 2 (08:40):
So this is what I Hey, no, all right, this
is my request to the NFL. And we're not asking
for a whole lot after you made us sit through
that game last night. And by the way, some of
the games this weekend were a bag of crap.
Speaker 3 (08:53):
Yeah, but some of them. Some of them were dope.
Speaker 2 (08:56):
Though.
Speaker 3 (08:56):
There were some dope games. This this I mean that
that that Philly game was a dope game.
Speaker 6 (09:01):
Man.
Speaker 2 (09:01):
Did you see the Black Friday game? I did? Did?
Speaker 3 (09:05):
I did? I was embarrassed that it was Black Friday
for that game, you know, shouts out the mind. Racis No.
I was all in on it, though, Sam, you know
what I mean, Like it wasn't racist. I was like
all in on Black Friday having football, and we was
going to get black football players playing football amongst other
(09:30):
races of people of color. By the way, I don't
leave Tim Boyle. Don't leave him out. Please don't leave This.
Speaker 2 (09:38):
Is my right. This is my request of the NFL
after what they put us through this weekend. I would
like for us to eliminate the three three of the
teams making the NFC playoffs. I would like to just
fast track this and if we could just get it
down to the divisional round. And this may work itself anyways,
(10:00):
but if we could just get Philly, San fran Detroit
and Dallas will completely eliminate the NFC South winner. And
let's just trim the fat and get straight to the
best teams in the NFC. How about this?
Speaker 3 (10:12):
How about we go like opens like you know, you
have like the the determined divisions. How about you go
open division, meaning like once you get to a certain
point in the year, if you're like a bubble team
and you're not like in that realm of being like
a first seed or a second second one in you
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go into an open meaning the best of the rest.
I don't give a damn if you're NFC or AFC,
you guys will meet in the first round of the playoff.
That would be dope. Yeah, that would be super dope.
Speaker 5 (10:52):
I'd rather see them do something that the NBA does,
which I usually advise against that a little play in, No,
not even a play it.
Speaker 6 (11:03):
I don't know why I said the NBA does, because
they don't. But they should.
Speaker 5 (11:07):
Do a rerack like go based on once we get
to the end of the season, do a rerack and
just do away with the conferences and have the best
team's best record square off.
Speaker 2 (11:19):
I think that would be dope. Oh god, so.
Speaker 5 (11:21):
Then, because you like, right now, if I was to
tell you the Texans the Bills, I'll throw in the
Broncos too. I feel like they could actually do more
in the playoffs than probably the Vikings right now, maybe
even Seattle, definitely Atlanta.
Speaker 2 (11:41):
Is that fair to say?
Speaker 3 (11:43):
Broncos are looking like a Sean Payton lead team and
a Russell Wilson quarterbacked team.
Speaker 2 (11:49):
The NFCS, the NFC South winner, and the two wild
card teams not named Dallas. You you can go cut
a fart in the other room, like we don't want
to see.
Speaker 3 (12:00):
It was kind of funny.
Speaker 5 (12:01):
Seattle's the other team, though, I think I don't know
what of you two is Highland Seattle Seattle.
Speaker 2 (12:06):
I may have I may have picked them to win
the It wasn't me.
Speaker 3 (12:09):
Yeah, I may have picked that?
Speaker 2 (12:11):
Is that was reckless. It was that after after Thanksgiving
night it was over.
Speaker 3 (12:16):
I mean, there's only one team in the West, but
that still was reckless. You thought it was a two
horse race, but it was really only one.
Speaker 2 (12:24):
I should have done.
Speaker 5 (12:26):
I'm telling you right now, the Rams are at five
and six, they're gonna be a playoff team.
Speaker 2 (12:30):
And hey, their schedule is manageable down.
Speaker 6 (12:35):
So I mean, it's much easier compared to some others.
Speaker 5 (12:37):
Like I'm telling you right now, at five and six,
they are going to make a run.
Speaker 6 (12:41):
They're going to find their way in.
Speaker 2 (12:43):
And by the way, yourself, Sean McVay just had a baby.
Nobody wants to make the playoffs more than Sean McVay. Hey,
got it work again this week. Don't know what to
tell you.
Speaker 6 (12:54):
Dead beat like that. Don't say that.
Speaker 2 (12:56):
I think babies are dope, dude.
Speaker 6 (12:59):
It's the best. But that's such a bad choke.
Speaker 3 (13:09):
Yeah, I betty baby, I bet you that baby gonna
win all kinds of beauty prizes.
Speaker 2 (13:16):
I tell you that. Shouts out to the McVeigh fan.
If you look at the RAM schedule, the RAM schedules
really manageable, and they could end up sneaking into the playoffs.
Speaker 3 (13:28):
It's a real speaking of sneaker, you will hear a
funny story. I was as I was watching the football game,
trying to maintain my focus, I hear trish scream and
I mean it was profane language that that was being screamed,
and I needed to figure out what was going on
because you.
Speaker 6 (13:46):
Did it startle you or just kind of like, oh know,
here we go.
Speaker 3 (13:48):
Well, she's from New Jersey, so it doesn't startle me
when when she hollers. It's just more or less like
their way of life, you know, oh they're they're her foul,
potty mouth, like just very aggressive held.
Speaker 5 (14:07):
So what is a second? My wife's from Boston, same thing.
I would describe her the same exact way, where I'm like, man,
she's got a worse mouth.
Speaker 6 (14:14):
Than I have.
Speaker 2 (14:15):
It's pretty bad.
Speaker 6 (14:16):
It's crazy, right yeah.
Speaker 3 (14:17):
So so I hear the door chimes going off, and
you know, you can know what's going on around the
crib by what door chime goes off, like what it says,
and it's said the main garage, da da, da, this
that and the other. I'm like, oh s and I
know that's that's Santa's workshop. Oh no, So come to
find out my eight year old daughter. She's she's finally
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discovering that Santa visits the house before Christmas. Oh no,
damn so so Trisha takes the older one to cheer
practice and comes home and goes into Santa's workshop because
she is indeed Santa helper, special helper, and she realized
(15:04):
that all of the babies, you know, the eight year
old stuff, had been moved around. So the eight year
old took the liberty of being while man. My my
younger son, the twin son is cleaning his room for
him and a dog, because they live in the same room.
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That's that's the proper place and living quarters for them.
He's cleaning his room. I'm trying to watch the game,
and she needed stimulation for her mind, and she wandered
into Sanna's workshop and saw the amount of gifts that
she was getting thus far. Now, I don't know how
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it all played out, because all I did was and
I will say to my I guess I don't know.
My defense on not seeing the entire game that I
forced myself to close my eyes, force myself to close
my eyes because I didn't want to be.
Speaker 6 (16:06):
A part of it.
Speaker 3 (16:08):
And then I get in trouble like I get in
trouble when the kids get in trouble. So I had
to deal with like being woke woken up at least
like fake woking up, like I really closed my eyes
like I was sleep but I really wasn't. And she
came in, She's like, you're not You're not going you
don't have anything to say about this. You're not You're
not going to get up in and and parent this situation.
I said, well, you've already told her what it is
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and what's going to happen, and why she shouldn't and
why she did and this that you you covered off everything.
I could hear it as I was falling asleep. I said,
I have to go into work. If you would like
to get up and go into work for me, I
can get up and go talk to her and do
that thing and you can get the rest that I
need so that I can get up and be coherent
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for work in the morning.
Speaker 2 (16:54):
Was that a good move?
Speaker 3 (16:56):
So that that was how I escaped last night, and
she seemed to be okay, and I left for work
this morning, like you know, she said she loved me,
which means that I did get through that bit of
a tough patch. But sometimes you got an alligator arm it,
you know, man, Yeah, you know. I didn't know how
to handle it, Like should I get up and go running?
Like as as the father?
Speaker 2 (17:16):
What do I do? Like? What do I say?
Speaker 3 (17:18):
She's good?
Speaker 2 (17:18):
Take it in day job?
Speaker 3 (17:21):
Look at that? There you go, Like, I know I
don't work out at this hour, but you know, but
you're wearing flip flops. Yeah, I don't worry about it,
but like I needed to get up out of here,
do some palasthetics.
Speaker 2 (17:33):
Uh.
Speaker 3 (17:34):
And I was more intriguing and entertaining than the game
I watched last night, by the way, And.
Speaker 2 (17:38):
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Podcasts, speaking of horrible situations in getting canceled or getting fired.
Speaker 2 (19:02):
Yeah, boy, this is Look, I don't know if I
should be surprised, but I'm kind of surprised that it
actually happened in season. And we've been speculating, all right,
what's going on in Carolina, Like, what's actually happened?
Speaker 3 (19:14):
Right, Carolina's been telling us about his close friend and
business mentor and Tepper. You know, he's been telling us
the whole entire time that he saw the handwriting on
the wall, by the way Temper was crunching the numbers
and all that stuff on, you know, the the prognostications
of where where Reich went end up as a coach.
Speaker 2 (19:34):
And it went down shortly after we went off the
area yesterday, Frank Reich gone. He has fired as head
coach of the many games. There's what are we eleven games?
Speaker 7 (19:44):
Now?
Speaker 2 (19:45):
How many years?
Speaker 3 (19:45):
How many games?
Speaker 2 (19:46):
Eleven twelve games, something like that. But he becomes the
first coach since the merger in nineteen seventy to be
fired in back to back seasons. Frank Frank Now, he
did speak, you know, with the local reporter and just
kind of said, hey, you know, I'm not done coaching,
but as far as his NFL, you know, you might
be a big coach. Yeah, It's just not going to
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happen in the NFL anymore. So disappointing for Frank Reich.
He was brought in there, and just the way NFL
Network made it play out yesterday though, was that he
was sort of a fallback plan because they had interest
in Ben Johnson, the offensive coordinator from Detroit, and he
decided to stay put and so now Carolina finds themselves
in a familiar spot to where they're looking for a
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head coach, which seems like what they've been doing for
the past several years. So bad spot for Frank Reich,
bad spot for Bryce Young and company. But welcome to
the Carolina Panthers under David Temper.
Speaker 5 (20:39):
I mean, well, I disagree with the past several years.
I mean, obviously, you know, they just fired Matt Ruhle
last year, and I think the tough thing is is
this is not a second head coach that I mean,
you talk about like wanting to rebuild, you talk about
wanting to give them patients. You haven't given him any
of that. And I think when you are a owner
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who David Temper has some experience as a minority owner.
He bought a small steak in the Pittsburgh Steelers back
in two thousand and eight, I believe, so he obviously
saw how quite possibly one of the best organizations, if
not the best, has operated. And I don't know if
the firing of Matt Canada something that the Steelers hadn't
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done an nd season firing like that since nineteen forty one.
I'm not sure if that played a role in his
decision to fire Frank Reich. I'm not sure if his
it's his history or background being in finance, where you
can take companies, you can look at their balance sheets
and you can then evaluate, you know, what assets, what
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potential opportunity and profitability could be there if you implement
a few different strategies to turn around the organization. I'm
not sure if he feels like it's that simple, and
he feels like that he's got this intuition or knowledge
that the rest of NFL owners don't and he just
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hasn't found the right guy to be the head coach
yet to turn things around, turn those numbers around the
world of football.
Speaker 6 (22:14):
But it feels like he's applying what he's done in.
Speaker 5 (22:17):
The past to have success in the NFL, and that's
just not a recipe for success. Like this is a
people person business. This takes time. There's no exact formula,
there's no exact science for this. This is how it works,
Like it takes time to transition over a roster. We
rebuild a roster. So maybe there's an element of him
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trying to, you know, say, I know this isn't right
or we missed whoever it was whether it was Scott
Fideral general manager that's still there, which is a bit
surprising if this has to do with Bryce Young or
the lack of development Bryce hung even though they've they've
said that, hey, we feel like we're making these changes
to help Bryce Young succeed. It's like, Okay, well, Frank
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Reik's a damn good coach. He was a good player.
Josh McCown played for a long time. He's gone too.
Dude Staley, great player, you know, he's gone too. Like
all those guys came in with the reputation of being,
you know, good players, great locker room guys, good for
the development of Bryce Young and any other younger player
on that roster, and now they're all gone before you
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even let the seas the first season getting through it.
It just it feels like this is an example of
an owner interjecting himself and now I think moving forward,
he's got to look squarely in the mirror because he's
the one that's that's accountable for what this has become.
And it feels like a mess, and it feels like
a job that someone's gonna take it because he's got money,
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and they've got money to be able to pay someone,
but you're now going to be paying for two coaches
for the foreseeable future. And I just don't know how
you can walk in and take that job and think, yeah,
like I'm I'm gonna have any time to make this
team when I think it's capable of making and the
roster is far from where it needs to be.
Speaker 3 (24:08):
H Growing up in Pittsburgh again, I always tell the
story that I heard when I went pro. You heard
the legends of the Rooney family and how they did things.
And I was at some event and we were talking
about the most successful owners and successful franchises, and the
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story that ensued was they came in that you know,
everybody gets there at a certain certain time. You get
there your early da, da da. But depending on who's earliest,
this that almost like becomes a competition, who's their earliest
to get there early bird gets the worm. Well, one
of the guys came in. They were running a little
(24:53):
late boom. They park at the back of the parking lot,
get out of the car, walking in and he sees
the main Rooney like at the time, I want, I
want to say it was the one after which one
was the one that was made the ambassador in Ireland
or something like that. Was that Dad, that Johnson not
not Woody it was it was it was a it
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was a ruining one of the roonies. But it was
the one after Art Dan.
Speaker 2 (25:21):
Is it Dad?
Speaker 3 (25:22):
He was like the older one, the gray hair, you know,
passed away like he was probably Dan Rooney.
Speaker 2 (25:27):
Okay, yeah, it sounds about right.
Speaker 3 (25:29):
Well, he's walking in from the back of the parking
lot with with the guy that's telling the story about,
you know, getting in late, and he looked at it,
looked at him and said, what do you what do
you parked back here for?
Speaker 2 (25:42):
Like, where are you walking this far away? He said, well,
I got in late. He's the same reason why you're whining.
He said.
Speaker 3 (25:47):
If I want to park closer, I'll get in earlier.
And that mentality when when you humanize yourself to people
that look at you as something other than a person,
it has an outstanding, like like just a profound impact
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on how people view things and how they view the world.
You know, not to make any crazy comparisons, but I
played for an owner that what you're kind of what
you're talking about, Q that was disconnected to understanding how
people driven football really is. Football culture really is. And
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this dude thought that making everything, which I'm sure it
can work, but this man had They had all calves
of reserve parking lots. First parking lot was reserved for him,
little Danny, second parking lot was reserved for his dad. Yeah,
and then the third parking lot was reserved for the
other owner. And then there was like all kinds of
other reserved or spots. So by the time you get
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through all of the reserved spots, you know, you're trying
to find a spot that isn't very close. But what
made it interesting is a lot of the things that
you see. Owners that don't understand the humanistic aspect of
running a franchise create division amongst the people that work there.
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It's like a natural thing that develops like that, that's
one of his guys or I'm not one of his guys,
or why is this person getting that type of preferential
treatment this person over here? And I mean it's stemmed
far beyond just the locker room. It stemmed into the
media area. It's stemmed into the cells. Like the salespeople
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were at odds, the media people were at odds, the
scouting department were at every everybody's at odds because everybody's
fighting for something that's kind of the same, but it's
it's it's very different. You're not fighting to win and
go in the same direction. You're fighting to have the owners,
you know, his his okay or his blessing, or to
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be one of his guys. That's what you're fighting for.
And I think when owners make it about themselves, it
just becomes a very very difficult proposition in the sport
of football to actually have a level of success that
you're looking for. I always say it's hard enough to
win on Sundays in terms of just preparing for the game,
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but when you talk about all of the other elements
that come into play and what you have to try
to navigate during the course of a week, during the
course of a season, during the course of an off season,
the less distractions, the less divisiveness, the more together that
you are, the more the closer that you guys are
and the buy in that's what really gets people through.
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You get good coaching, but it's the buy in of
one another, not the fractured type of relationships or how
it works together. And so when you get an owner
that doesn't understand it that way and doesn't make you
feel like we're in this together. You're not taking ownership
over what you're doing. You're looking at it as I'm
doing my job, and that's that's kind of a said
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commentary if you asked me.
Speaker 2 (29:11):
And I think David Tepper is starting to discover it's
a lot harder to be an owner than he realized.
Speaker 1 (29:15):
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Speaker 2 (29:25):
Apparently money is not much of an issue for Texas
A and M. They already O what is jimbo Fisher getting?
What's he getting? Like seventy seven million something like?
Speaker 5 (29:34):
Yeah, seventy seven million, not all at once though it
gets paid out.
Speaker 6 (29:38):
Over a period of years. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (29:39):
Well, Mike Elko, who is the duke head coach, he
is now the next head coach at Texas A and M.
He will take over in college, so they'll pay you. Well,
here's the contractual numbers that we're looking at here. Ultimately, this,
according to ESPN, it's a six year contract at a
base salary of seven million dollars per year, but with
several college for ball plenty two Yeah, several college football
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playoff incentives. Here he gets one million dollars for a
college football playoff appearance, forty three one point five for
advancing to the college football playoff quarterfinals, four point five
or winning the SEC.
Speaker 6 (30:15):
Too many that's per year, by the way, if he
had sending those incentives in each year.
Speaker 2 (30:19):
Yeah, wow. Two million dollars for a college football playoff
semi final appearance, two point five for a college football
playoff game title game appearance, three point five million for
a national title. And the contract includes eleven million dollars
salary pool for assistance and support staff. And uh yeah,
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he's getting paid. And he's off leaving Durham and in
College station to take over there for the Aggies.
Speaker 6 (30:46):
Which I'll be honest with you, it's it's not. I mean,
I like the way the contract is structured for Texas
A and M.
Speaker 2 (30:52):
You know, it's not.
Speaker 5 (30:52):
You're not paying him close to the top. He's very
well paid, don't get me wrong, but this is a university.
It's paying off a guy who's making seventy seven million
not to coach. So from that standard, it's like, well
that's not that much, right, I mean, LaVar, you just
crunch the numbers where we're saying some of the forties
for a seven year deal.
Speaker 6 (31:09):
Yes, I mean Jimbo's getting more.
Speaker 5 (31:13):
Yes, So you know, I think it's a smart structure
because they're essentially rewarding him for success, which is ultimately
what you want to do. So he's rewarded. And I'll
say this, if they win a national championship, Okay, three
point five million is out what the bonus is?
Speaker 2 (31:29):
Yeah?
Speaker 5 (31:30):
Now, of course, like if he makes all of those
incentives along the way, Like what would that add up to?
Speaker 6 (31:35):
That's another what seven million on top of that?
Speaker 3 (31:37):
Like you said that, that's if it were yearly, you're
you're talking about yeah, like seven million, seven point five
So so it takes.
Speaker 5 (31:45):
You up to about fourteen points. So you'd be the
highest paid in that case based on what you've earned.
It's a six year deal, six or seven six, six
year deal. Yeah, so that he's in Texas, so that helps.
Speaker 6 (31:56):
No statedicum tax, Yeah, it helps.
Speaker 5 (31:58):
But the general point is this is you're rewarding him
for this success of their team. You're not just giving
him a big you know, bunch, big sum of money
and saying here you go, like, we trust that you'll,
you know, figure it out and we'll win a national championship.
And so the point is it's a smart structured contract
compared to what they just dealt with with Jimbo Fisher.
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And I'd say this, even if you pay him annitional
seven million and they win a national championship, do you
not think the university is going to make more I
mean seven million for a national championship to your head
coach through all those incentives on top of the you know.
Speaker 6 (32:33):
So what fourteen million whatever it is total one one year.
Speaker 5 (32:37):
That's chump change compared to what the university is actually
gonna make if Texas and M was to win a
national championship. So I think this is a very well
structured contract that could work for both parties. If Mike
Elko is successful, he'll get compensated like one of the
top coaches in college football or the top coach, and
you know, if he's not, he won't And that actually
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saves the downside risk for tex SA and M in
this case, given again the monumental largest in the history
of college football buyout that we saw for Jimbo Fisher.
Speaker 2 (33:08):
I'm just a little confused because I like I was
hearing that Ryan Day was interested in the job or
they were interested in him. So I'm a little confused
as to it feels like there was a lot of
reports and rumors out there that just kind of died
over the way.
Speaker 6 (33:21):
It was legitimate, though, were they?
Speaker 2 (33:24):
Yeah? Didn't Urban Was urban Meyer laughing at the report
or something like that, when.
Speaker 5 (33:28):
Well, it was Bruce Feldman's report, So if you're going
to take a shot at the report, you'd be taking
a shot at Bruce, which I could promise you this.
They're legitimate in the sense of at least how tech
san unfelt. Then maybe they could get an interview from that,
which was what the report was.
Speaker 2 (33:41):
You do you think Ryan Day would have seriously entertained
the job?
Speaker 3 (33:46):
Why not?
Speaker 5 (33:47):
I would say to Lvar's point, generally, you should always
entertain every opportunity. Yes, Like I talk about this all
the time from a front office perspective. If I'm John
Lynch and he called the Patriots and number of years
in a row and asked, Hey, is Tom Brady available?
Speaker 6 (34:02):
Nope?
Speaker 5 (34:02):
Okay, cool? You make them say no. If you're Texas
A and M, and you're saying, we want to cast
the widest that we can. We called John Gruden. Maybe
we called right Like, you want to call every possible
coach you think is a good coach and going to
help you win, regardless of what other circumstances that the
media are people on the outside talk about.
Speaker 6 (34:22):
You call them and you ask and make them say no.
Speaker 5 (34:25):
If you think they're an upgrader, you think they can
help you win, you make them say no before you
move on.
Speaker 6 (34:31):
So, look, Ryan Day is a great coach.
Speaker 5 (34:33):
I'm sure Texas A and M was hoping if they
lost maybe there'd be an opportunity for them to get
him as a head coach or at least talk to
him about becoming their head coach.
Speaker 2 (34:43):
It's kind of wild that Ryan Days got only one
other loss outside of the Michigan game. They talk about
getting rid of him.
Speaker 5 (34:51):
Yeah, well, but that's the difference. He's got what six
losses or something like that. It's like, that's the difference
is if a HIG state doesn't want them, and all
the Buckeye Nation bands are like, hey, you know, we
can't be Michigan.
Speaker 6 (35:04):
We want to move on. Okay, Well someone else will
gladly take Ryan dasoner.
Speaker 3 (35:08):
One loss, your one loss, you're one went away from perfection,
and they talking about firing you. I told her, I
was on social media. I told them people. I said,
if y'all were held to the same standard that y'all
beholding your coach to for for one one games and
lost games in your own personal life and in your job,
you would be fired. You'd be unemployed, right if you
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had to live up to that standard that you're sitting
there judging that man off of you would have no job.
Speaker 5 (35:33):
I would say this though, growing up in Columbus, Ohio
and living through the John Cooper era, being a recruit
for Jim Trussel and understanding there's respect there, I also
think there's a fair amount of hatred like and I
think that's it's okay to admit that. I've heard people
try to downplay that rivalry. It's like, no man like Michigan.
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They don't like you, ch'all.
Speaker 2 (35:58):
I get that part.
Speaker 5 (35:59):
Like there's there's hattiness too to just people who live
in in both states. So all I'm saying is it's
like it's because someone asked the question if Ohio State
went six and six next year, but be Michigan, would
that be a good year.
Speaker 6 (36:14):
Well, in some people's mind yes, like like that's how
crazy it is.
Speaker 5 (36:18):
And some people's mind, yes, if they won that one game,
regardless of how the rest of the seasons went, it
would be a good season. It's crazy to think that way,
but that's that's how that rivalry is. It is the
greatest rivalry in college football. I would say it argues
any rivalry in any sport, in any sport.
Speaker 2 (36:38):
I don't have a problem with with all of that.
Speaker 3 (36:41):
I just have a problem with your your I told
people this when when the whole Franklin stuff hit, because
he has two losses over you know, four losses over
the last two years, and it's to the same two teams.
And I'm like, are you closer to elite or are
you closer to media.
Speaker 6 (37:01):
And to me?
Speaker 3 (37:03):
And we talked about this earlier in the show when
we talked about right getting fired and how you run things.
This is a people ran, people led type of business
and industry and category. If you're closer to elite, I'd
rather try to figure out how to get to elite
versus take the risk of I'm going to bring somebody
(37:24):
else new end and although they may be an elite coach,
you're still taking the risk in a tremendous chance that
you may lose where it is that you're at.
Speaker 2 (37:33):
I mean, remember we made the point a couple months ago.
Nebraska fans wanted Bo Polini outs crazy, and they haven't
been that good since. He's been the best they've had
in a lot haven't been that good since. So you're
right there at it fans be you know, and I
get it. Like I said, I listen if if that's
your rivalry, I get it. You know, the rivalry was
(37:53):
pretty strong still.
Speaker 3 (37:54):
When I went to Washington, I hadn't witnessed a rivalry
outside of high school North allegating North Hills. That's a
hate rivalry, but at the highest level it was. Washington
and Dallas were a tremendously heated rivalry used to be
and it was still at that feverish pitch that you
(38:15):
could lose every game, but as long as you win
the games against Dallas, it's like it's a it's a
win of a season, which is crazy to think, but
that's how our fans. A lot of fans thought, I
get it, but I don't.
Speaker 2 (38:27):
I just don't.
Speaker 3 (38:28):
I don't understand why you would be okay with just
that win. Like work to be great. It's not just
about winning the rivalry games. I know that's what makes
it fun for fans, but it's still talking about winning
it as a whole. What does that look like as
a whole, not just one singular part, one singular piece.
(38:49):
You're one game away from being perfect one game, and
you rather fire him because he didn't win that one game.
Speaker 2 (38:56):
That just I don't.
Speaker 3 (38:58):
It just doesn't compute well for me.
Speaker 2 (39:00):
It's like growing up, it was always Hilliard, Davidson and
Dublin Goffman.
Speaker 6 (39:03):
For my god, why do you do this?
Speaker 2 (39:05):
What are you talking about?
Speaker 6 (39:06):
I mean, it's just you. You try so hard to
act like you're from there. Jay.
Speaker 5 (39:12):
I will say this about uh about Matt rule Nebraska,
Like they went five and seven this year, which.
Speaker 6 (39:17):
At one point they were five and three.
Speaker 5 (39:18):
They lost the last four all one scoring games though,
and they I think they sneakily could get in a
Bowl game if like some other people's other squads don't
want to go. That are six win teams, they can
qualify because they're APR. But I'm not betting against Nebraska
like slowly building back with Matt Ruhle, Like like we've
seen this story before, where year one not quite as good,
(39:38):
and then like your two they get better than year three.
Speaker 6 (39:41):
They're like they're competing.
Speaker 5 (39:42):
And I know they're adding a bunch of teams from
the PAC twelve in Oregon and Washington and obviously USC
and UCLA. But it's gonna be that's gonna be an
interesting program to watch to see what Matt Rule can
do with them.
Speaker 2 (39:52):
I wonder if Matt Ruhle called Frank Raich yesterday, like, hey, man,
come out and have a beer. Let's share some stories,
you know, let's let's hear some fun stories working with
David Tepper with all the millions he paid us to
go ahead and be gone.
Speaker 5 (40:05):
The crazy thing is too if you think about the
Matt Rule era in Carolina, they were a far more
competitive football team than what the Panthers were this year.
Speaker 6 (40:16):
I mean, like they were a seven win team was
the last two years?
Speaker 5 (40:20):
Yeah, I mean their defense was playing much better, they
were running the football better.
Speaker 6 (40:25):
I mean that's the problem is.
Speaker 5 (40:26):
I know there was a bunch of turnover on the roster,
but not to the point where they felt they lacked
that much competitiveness
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