December 5, 2022 • 41 mins
Monday on 2 Pros and a Cup of Joe, Jonas, Brady and LaVar recap the biggest games from week 13 including the Colts melting down against the Cowboys on Sunday Night Football. The guys react to the return of Deshaun Watson who looked like he was laid up for the last two years and the College Football Playoff is set.
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
Is the best of two pros and a couple of
Joe with Lamar Areas Brady Quinn and Jonas Knocks on radio.
So I got a really important question. I got an
important question for the man Brady Quinn himself here, and
I need you to answer this because I think there
are people around the country that are asking themselves the
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same thing. Who watched that game last night in Dallas
between the Colts and the Cowboys? The hell happened to
Indianapolis and the fourth quarter? Um tellt me as someone
who had the seventh four excuse me, eleven points and
the cold I thought, okay, based on the first three quarters,
why we still got a chance. They were competitive? They
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were competitive. Like That's the thing about the Colts this
year is I think since Jeff Saturday has taken over,
we thought they provided a spark. It's just it seems
like that spark kind of fizzles out after the first quarter,
second quarters, maybe third quarter in this case. But it
my god, I mean, either Dallas turned it on or
the Colts fell apart. Everyone to look at it. But
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I'll tell you why. That relates to something I spent
some time in Indianapolis this past weekend, and I'm not
sure the result of that game would have mattered that much.
But after seeing the conclusion how bad it got, I don't.
I don't know that Jeff Saturday is gonna really make
it much further. I know it's the interim head coach.
There's a thought maybe he'd be the permanent one. I
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think they're already searching for a different head coach to
come in and take over. I mean, I need to
be looking at a different GM too, you know, I
mean underperformed the way that they're underperforming it. You know,
like you said, I mean, it looked good early on,
but again and especially in Indiana. Uh, you saw the
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adjustments at halftime, but you also saw the commitment to
what it is that the true route of what Michigan
football is, which is we're going to run the all.
We're gonna run it on you. And you know what
I mean, it looks like that's what Indianapolis is. Uh
what what Saturday wants his identity to be. But I
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don't know. I don't. They're not good enough on defense
for some reason. Um, and their running game doesn't look sustainable.
Jonathan was doing well in the first half, but it's
it's come harder. Running the ball has come harder for
him this season. And don't look good, Like it doesn't
look good. It doesn't look like they have enough weapons
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to get it going in the passing game or is
it still the quarterback. It just didn't look like cohesiveness
or or a game plan that would have been conducive
to having success. In the second half of the game,
Matt Ryan looks old, and he looks like he's he
just does back. Hey, well, I'm just saying, and it
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looks like he can't get away from pressure anymore. Like
the second it starts to collapse, it's over when well no,
but I mean it feels like now when it gets
near him, he just sort of collapses. That's it. And
and you know they're turning the ball over left and
right in that game last night, especially late, it just
it feels like it continues to go back to the quarterback,
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and it continues to go back to Andrew Luck retiring
in the preseason on the sideline and them still trying
to scramble to figure out where they're going to go
as far as quarterback is. And I don't we made
the point earlier this season Carson Wentz was a better
option than they've got this year. I mean it's like
he played, He's outplayed Matt Ryan if you want to
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compare seasons, and it's not even close. Yeah, But I
mean they'd be in a better spot if they had
Carson Wentz and Matt Ryan. But it just and I
don't think too on the Jeff Saturday front. I don't
even know if Saturday would want to come back, to
be honest with you, like, this is a lot and
there's a lot more that needs to be done, and
they feel like they feel like they're a long way
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away from being a team that's going to compete. And
if you don't have the quarterback, I don't see what
the open is there in Indianapolis, you know, we we
I was talking to a few players who were there.
Steve Hutchinson was there for the game, this Big Ten
championship game. Cliff April obviously a great out there at
the Saddle Seahawks. He was representing Purdue, Brandon Edward's all, all
all these guys were back. They got a chance to
see and one of the things that it came up
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with everyone, because you're you're sitting there playing in the Colts,
you know, home stadium, and the topic of Jeff Saturday
kind of comes up just because it's so kind of
buzzworthy regards to former players and if they get into coaching,
and just the fact that you know, he was on TV.
He was broadcasting. You know a lot of guys are
out there broadcasting with its radio, TV, whatever. And and
I LaVar, You've talked about this, like, I think there's
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a lot of guys for now they look at like,
all right, maybe I'm at candidate potentially, or maybe I
should look into this. But one of the prevailing thoughts
is everyone kind of said, like, man like he took
that job though, and even though it you know, in
some people's mind opens the door for a former player
if it go was as badly as this is going,
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it just slams the right shut right, Like like early
early on in pression, you're kind of thinking, Okay, this
is someone that Jimmer said, trust he believes that in
Jeff Saturday, because of his time as a player, comes
in as a great press conference. Awesome, it doesn't matter
if you don't get the results. And one of the
things we discussed was just you know, if you're Jeff Saturday.
Do you just decline it purely because you're not ready
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for that opportunity and you need to, you know, actually
be ready to seize that opportunity. It was it was
an uphill battle for him to step into a team
that wasn't performing under you know, the Plan A, which
was Frank Reich and Matt Ryan and everyone else they
started the season with. And so what made you think
during the season they were going to make some drastic
change just because Jeff Saturday is there, because the personnel
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can't change, and you know, they changed back to Matt Ryan.
That looked good for a week, but that was it.
I mean it's since then everything's just been going downhill.
So it leads me to a name that I heard
that kept kind of saying, right, maybe they're poking and
prodding around a few potent shull former NFL head coaches
that happened to be there in Indie that happened to
be hoisting up a Big Ten Championship trophy and a
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former cult and a former former cult. He's in the Raptors.
His name is up in there. He's only it is
that would be interesting because he didn't I mean, he
had success. I mean, he's one of the guys, the
few guys I can say he had success true success
playing or coaching there, So that would be interesting hardball
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going to to the colts. I'll say this nature running
its course. You know, for all the coaches that you know,
the purest that's it, this was you made a mockery
out of the position. You've You've done things that have
set the game back a hundred years. Um. For all
those people that that I would, there was a couple,
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there was a couple of the game back a hundred
years because Saturday. Can you imagine be on that poster
that Um, I'll tell you what I mean, you get,
you get it's seeming like you're getting the last and
I mean, in this situation you could we could call
it the last laugh. But I mean it is what
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it is. It's what I said in the beginning. If
there's if there is, if there is the opportunity or
the idea that a guy could actually take a team
and get that team going under the circumstances that Jeff
Saturday got him going under, and he's a former player,
then that that, I guess it changes. It has to
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change the way you look at why coaches are getting
the jobs that they're getting, why others aren't getting it? Like?
Is it nepotism? Is it? Is it a meritocracy? As
as you've loved to say, Q is it? Like? What
is it? And and whether it's fair or unfair? Jeff
Saturday was either going to be the beacon of this
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maybe it isn't as complex or complicated as it may seem,
or or maybe it is. But it was gonna fall
on his shoulders just because of the uniqueness of the situation.
And I think we're all finding out now there's there's
more to it. There's more to it, you know. I mean,
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you know, I feel like it was one of those
things where you know, guys kind of celebrated like, oh man,
we're here, we made it, you know, and then it's
just it didn't it didn't last. And on the Harbor run.
So coming into the season after whatever the hell you
called that situation in Minnesota was where he showed up
thinking he was going to get the job and then
all of a sudden the job wasn't really offered to
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him and they said no, we're just kind of, you know,
poking around. And then he went back to Michigan and
he signed the contract and Harby said, I'm here to stay.
I want to be here. I'm here to stay in Michigan. Well,
I think the feeling was if he was gonna leave,
this past off season was the time to because he
finally beat Ohio State, he got him to the college
football Playoff. That was really the thing that he had
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to accomplish before he left Michigan. Well, now he's done
it a second straight year. Now they're, you know, second
in odds to win the national championship if he if
Michigan wins the title, I could absolutely see hard Boss saying, yeah,
I've done what I came here to do. And now
if there's enough money on the table, and if Jim
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Mursay calls him up and just empties the bag and says,
here's what we got for you. Are you interested? I
can absolutely see har about taking aim that's all. Is
it as simple as that, Because here's the thing I'd
say about leaving to take that job. He's got things
rolling right now. Like I think we're underestimating where he's
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got this program. I mean, we tend to forget there's
there's been a changing in the guard. It happened subtly
like it happened. Actually, I think coming off of the
COVID year where they didn't play Ohio State, right, they
broke up that that tradition, the history that they chose
not to play. You know. The excuse, I don't want
to say the excuse, but the rationale was, you know,
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COVID on their team. They couldn't they couldn't get out
there to perform. And ultimately it didn't matter how I
State end up going winning the Big Ten and then
moving on into that playoff scenario. But the point was
the two years after that, Michigan's now rolled them physically.
I think the interesting thing is gonna be if if
Ohio State was able to be Georgia, if Michigan beats
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Tco and they score off again, if they score off again,
and that's who he beats for the national championship, why
would you leave? By the way, Albert Briner may not
may never appear on the show again at that, but
but in all seriousness, imagine that scenario. Why would you leave?
Like you've now you're three and oh versus Ryan Day,
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you won a national championship, your quarterbacks coming back, you're
running back right now that's playing coming back Donovan Edwards.
They've been a lot, They've got a lot of young
players that are gonna be coming back that they reloaded with.
They've continued to recruit. Well, like it could be something
where like it's a changing of the guard in the
Big Ten where now you've got Michigan taking over for
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Ohio State as that number one team, that that's the
team to beat. I just I'm not sure that the
grass is always greener, and and maybe recruiting and everything
else that's going on, and he doesn't want to be
a part of that, maybe that's a portion of it,
But I don't know, man, I could I could see
him just staying if things kind of worked out to
play out that dream scenario for him this year. I'm
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not so sure you want to go work for a
guy who again hired Jeff Saturday in the first place, Like, yeah,
he did that without Core hum and the defense and
who's the defense and with the dreads at the Hrris
I mean, well, I mean Mike Morris played a little
bit of Rosa State, not much, but yeah, I mean
neither really played much versus versus the buck Eyes, like
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they that by the way. That's how deep, that's how
well he's developed, recruited all of it. I mean, he's
a good coach, Don't get me wrong. I know why
they're looking at him because he's had success. He made
it to a super Bowl in San Francisco. He's now
gonna make it to back to back college football playoffs,
maybe a national championship. I we'll see where this team
goes this year. But he's a good coach. He knows
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how to develop guys. He knows how to kind of
eventually give enough time, he'll get it all going in
the right direction. So I can completely understand when they
look at him. I just think he's got to be
careful about, you know, the type of organization that he
wants to get involved with. You know, and what how
jimmers it might be running that thing to do is
pay him. Well, No, I was gonna say, maybe you
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can talk his former quarterback Andrew Luck into coming back.
You know, maybe there's that on the table. You know,
Andrew Luck who just disappeared, He's just vanished off. Nobody
saying see him. I'll see him tonight, You're gonna see
him and tomorrow. All right, I think you gonna get
him to have a long island or what. Well, I'm
going to talk to him like this one. What's going on? Andrew?
Are you ask him if anybody's ever told him? Because
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two things stood out yesterday in Houston. Probably could have
delivered that better. That makes us out awkward, But Deshaun
Watson looked rusty at quarterback and the Houston Texans are
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atrocious while they're a bad football team. And that was
my biggest takeaway from that game, the return of Deshaun
Watson there with the against the Houston Texans. Yeah, I
always looked like he was bedridden for like two years,
or like maybe just sage table for two years, just
like that. I don't know, but he looked like rusty
and that's one of the things that I think people
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fail to understanding and realizes the speed and the intensity
of the game, Like it's it's even at the college
level too, Like you kind of go down there pre
games standing on the sidelines, You're watching to fly around.
You're like, dang, like I did that at one point.
If you're like going, I don't like you think you
could go out there and do it again. Some part
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of you two is kind of like you forget about
like the mindset you have to have going into it
and what that feels like. It's it's you. I mean literally,
you gotta flip a switch. And I don't care what
position you play, you have to flip a switch because
when you go out there in the field, like you
can get hurt. You can have a serious, serious injury
with how this game is played. So it looked like
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the game was moving too fast for him, and you
kind of felt like that was going to be the case.
But fortunately it was a warm up game against the
Texans for the worst team in the NFL. It's not
even close, and in front of a crowd that it
didn't look like many people were there to really watch them.
So I'm not sure even mattered. Um that Watson was
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coming back, and if people wanted to come boo him
or hate on him, this team is so bad they
can't field anything. You know. I didn't seem like there's
much of anyone there at the game. I don't, I don't.
I kind of felt like we were hitting towards it
being a dud of a story, and and it kind
of lived up to the potential of it, like it
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was a dud, Like of course you were going to
hear fans being you know, fans, they were going to
boo him and and and put it to you this
way extraordinary. He left under some extraordinary circums answers. I
mean the things that played out and have happened. But
players get boot that come back to their former teams.
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You know, it happens. You know, either you're super beloved.
I mean, didn't they didn't Some people boot Russell Wilson
when he get went back to I mean people, Carol,
he was leading. Just listen, some people are are going
to get boots. Some people are going to be beloved.
I don't. I mean, you guys, tell me. I didn't
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see anything happened that was out of the norm for
a Marquee former franchise player returning back to their their
their home stadium, um, their original stadium. I didn't see
anything out of the norm. They seemed like the Texans
fan base just seems a little disenchanted with the franchise,
Like they're not. Like it wasn't even listed as a sellout,
Like I thought there was going to be a sellout
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their most intended game. Did you see did you see
the Stags? It wasn't even close. But even like like
tickets sold, Like there were still thousands of tickets that
weren't sold to this game. And I thought, man, Deshaun
Watson's back, you know, maybe they come back and they're
fired up. They feel like, you know, he burned a
bridge with them, and yet here we are and and
they're just they didn't care. They didn't care at all
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the way I think a lot of people, myself included,
thought they would. And that's how it played out. Maybe
all the suits were sold out, you know, maybe that's
where they were all at heard about those sweet Can
I say this though, it's kind of crazy to think
of the departure from Bill O'Brien when they were at
least one of the a f C South which I
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don't know that that's much to ask for right now.
I mean that division that the South divisions in the NFL,
a f C, n NFC stink, and it's like you
moved on from Bill O'Brien and now you're looking at
a disaster. Since I mean he was winning with like
the second string quarterbacks, third str I mean, he was
winning divisions and now they can barely even feel a
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crowd to come watch. How bad this team has gotten.
It's it's brutal. Now let's hear from Deshaun Watson, So
the Browns quarterback. He spoke after the game. He talked
about his return back to Houston, his performance here, he
was afterwards, being my first game back here in Houston
was was tough. You know, walking into the stadium on
the opposite side of the of the stadium and locker room.
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It was different because I know exactly how those guys
get ready for games and how they do the pre
game to talk and everything. So it was a lot
of emotion. Like I said, it is what it is.
You know, I can't control what the fans do and
how they approach whenever I step on the field. My
job is to go out there and execute and do
my best as I can for the team. I just
say I felt every single one of those seven hundred days. Honestly,
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I said, whatever however long I've been out, I felt
every single one of those days. So getting back in
shape and everything was definitely, uh definitely needed to feel
that today. Yeah, probably uh probably sore, I mean all
that stuff. I mean, going on two years, he hasn't
played an actual game, although we do have some good
news according to Adam Schefter, uh Deshaun Watson. This was
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reported yesterday um or over the weekend that he has
shown progress in his treatment program, you know, signs of
progress during his mandatory treatment program. Schefter always just has
that inside school. I'm almost like it's it's like some
agents writing at four. I'm trying to figure out, like
what would indicate signs of progress instead of forty he's
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down to bring us towel everywhere with him in the game.
I don't know, like what are we like, what are
we talking about here? Could his quarterback towel have doubled
as the towel that us Oh god, like a ginzoo
knife at some point, you know, like I mean like
you could do amazing things with that thing. And and
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here's the the idea that Adam Schefter is spinning this with. Well, look,
you know he's shown signs of how how do you
prove that he's shown signs of progress from treatment? You know,
what do you mean? What are you getting? Signs of
progress from treatment? I mean that's like real, that's a
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real report. Yeah, and that was all that was all
the detail that was given. Yeah, signs of progress. But
what would be signs of progress in your body? Yeah?
I've got an idea in my mind. Do you want
to hear you? Quote for you? I gotta This is
from one source connected to Watson's treatment program. Quote. He's
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been progressing well and he wants to continue with it
and they feel it's helping him. He's just sort of
ongoing as needed and it will be ongoing until it's
not needed anymore. And I think it's given him a
lot of help and support. But this could take a while.
I don't get it. I don't either, I really don't
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get it, Like, like what into here? Like what are
we doing here? Just didn't make any said, like he's
really showing signs to progress. He's down to eighteen this time.
He was at forty something before. He's now down to eighteen.
He's got a rotation of eighteen. He's really he's really
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trimmed the fat here at that. Like, what are we
talking about here? It could take a while, man, No kidding,
he's got a problem. It could be here forever. Just so,
I mean, I'm trying to figure out what these these
signs of progress are, LaVar. I mean, you got to
help us here. Don't put that on me. You're trying
to put that on me. I didn't even feel like
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that was a real report, Like that's a real report.
It's like an onion headline. And I'm I'm certain, I'm
certain it is an onion and I will say this.
I'm more I'm more curious about what he does now
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versus then than I was about this game yesterday that
he played in. I have more curious. That is a curiosity.
How do you move forward after this? Like if you
like something, you like something like if if you like
ice cream and you say I'm giving up ice cream,
you know there's the chance that you're still you know, like, hey,
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like bunket, I'm gonna get some ice cream today. Like
it's it could be anything that you have a vice with, right,
I like long islands. I might one day give up
Long Islands. But there's the chance that I'm like, you
know what, I'm bunckett. I'm gonna have some some Long
islands today. I just wonder. I'm more curious about that
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because you know, when you talk about him being you know,
in the situation that he's in, they said part of
part of the agreement was he he was going to
have to go through you know, the whole you know,
treatment of how how does it all work? Right? Like,
I wonder about that entails like outside of like talking
to someone and educating themselves and all that, Like did
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they test them? You know, do they put them through
like a rigorous test for like that? Of that, that's
I'm more curious of all of that. I'm more curious, honestly,
Like I found I find that put a bottle of
baby oil on the table and just say, I mean,
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if you think about it, I do believe this to
be I mean, I think I heard this before. I mean,
I'm just not gonna say I've read it. But when
you're on something, don't they have to give it to
you to wean you off of it like they give
you small doses of it when you're going through like
the whole cold turkey doesn't work very well. Yeah, So
so how is the process of undoing what what he's
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got going on? How does that work? I've got an idea, right,
So obviously you guys travel, You've been traveling a lot lately,
and you know, like those neck pillows you get for
the planes can help you on. They're great. There was
so tired Sunday morning. I bought one and I was
like kind of searching on which one is the right one.
And I gotta be honest with you, I don't think
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it's gonna work. I think I just wasted a bunch
of money by the Yeah, I mean they're a little price,
especially getting I just like like I can't fall a
sleep with my head like unless I'm laying out flat,
I can't be sitting up and like my head just
perfectly straight and like just fall asleep. To be able
to lean on it. Yeah, well you're supposed to be
able to lean on the good one, Like I got
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a memory foam one, and it's you gotta be able
to It's almost like it gives you the ability to
lean like and not stay straight like you're saying, tilt
to the side. Yeah, but you need to get feel
better than not having it. You need to get some sleep.
But here's what I'm thinking. Maybe because they realize, you know,
Deshaun Watts and as to travel as well too, So
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maybe they come up with a device that's like a
neck pillar for a plane, but instead it's like a
pair of human hands, you know, like maybe that just
so he feels like he's constantly got somebody massaging his neck,
and it feels it almost simulates him getting massage that no,
I understand, ain't the one that Yeah, but you can't. Yeah,
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but you can't you know, there wouldn't his legs being
more appropriate. Yes, but again that's where he gets in trouble.
So maybe you put them but I can get the
electrodes on his legs and you put it on like
a low frequency. Yeah, but he's getting that stimulation that's
what they call it. When you go into the to
the lock into the training room, you know, you go
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get ice and yeah, so maybe you ice and stem
his legs, you know, and put it in. Like maybe
they create a new setting called the Deshaun Watson setting. Yeah,
how about that what's that setting? Like I don't know,
but what you would have to get that information from him? Yeah,
it's probably unique to him certainly would Uh well, let's
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just wonder what the like, what's what's what's the focus
of it, Like, what's the end result of it? Because
you've got to be total relaxation if it's to work.
You don't want them to explode and like go off.
Definitely not that's like the last thing you want relapse
and justlode back into the next thing. You know, he's
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putting his towels away in a filing cabinet. You know,
just the whole thing is uncomfortable. And again, but you guys,
I mean are making jokes about this. I think he's
showing progress and I'd like to know though, Like I
still like I'm curious, like what is that process in
all serious that some of these like tweets and reports
you from schefter, I'm just like, all right, the agent
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wrote that, I mean literally, like it sounds like it
came directly from the agent. And look I get it,
like that's of his job, Like he's an insider. He's
gonna have these relationships. But I'm like, my goodness, like
making a little bit more objective. You know, I would
like to have more information. I mean I wouldn't. Okay,
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that made me I felt like I compromised myself there. Um,
I'm I just would be curious as to what what
has been done. Like you come out and say, Okay,
Deshaun Watson has gone through the program, he's back, He's
did his his suspension. Like who's to say it's not
business as usual? It's just a different approach, you know
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what I mean? Like who like and all seriousness? Like
I'm not I'm not even joking right now. Who's to
say you're not back? And who's to say you haven't
been back to business as usual? You know, because you
always when you do things and and listen, this is
all alleged because he's settled. But but we can assume
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because he did confess or admit that he was getting
these massages done, if he doesn't believe he's guilty, which
we all know he has assumed or continued to to
say he's innocent. He wanted to fight it and he
did whatever he needed to do to continue playing football,
So he doesn't believe he did anything wrong. He doesn't
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believe he's wrong. So if you don't believe that you're wrong,
then why would you stop doing what you're doing if
you became one of the highest paid players in the
history of the game. Like obviously, he probably is somewhere
thinking he's done everything right and everybody else got everything wrong.
So that was part of what got him that two jonas.
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It might sound silly not but if we're being serious here,
if you don't think you did anything wrong then and
and and you settled and and there everybody else is wrong,
then who's to say he's not continuing to do the
same exact things that guy him to where he is
right now today. That's what I'm curious about. That's more
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people are superstitious. They keep doing the same things because like, yeah,
I had success doing this, and keep doing it the
same same shoe, same same shoe, last ti saying, same tile.
So what eme if you think he's like superstitious about it, now,
that's great. What if he hasn't done it and he
played the way he played yesterday and was like, man,
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forget this. But you remember when Superman got punched in
his face when he went into the little diner after
he came out because he said he didn't want to
be Superman because he wanted to hang with Lowis Lane.
What if what if Deshaun Watson came out of that game,
like forget this, Like Deshaun Watson got to do. Deshaun
Watson gonna be that guy in the field. Remember the
program when the Laddimer got up the gas and he
got ran over on the side. Hey, I gotta get
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back to this stuff that got me here, And that's
what he did. I mean, that's a great that's a
great illustration. Honestly, it's a great illustration of it. Laddimer
might be the best one. That's the best example her.
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Culture Football Playoff. You got one number one Georgia verse
number four Ohio State. Ohio State gets in there in
the Peach Bowl, and then the Fiesta Bowl is Michigan
number two versus number three TCU. All right, so Mr
College Football there, Brady Quinn. Did they get it right?
TCU doesn't lose any ground. TCU is still in the
playoff even though they lost their Big twelve title game. Yeah,
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they got it right. I think ultimately, when you look
at the resumes of all the teams, you know, who
are you going to move ahead of TCU at that point? Um,
they have five top twenty five wins this season. They
won four in a row during the course of their
Big Twelve play and look they lose in overtime. And
in my opinion, I thought that third and um the
third and goal play where Kendre Miller, the running back
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for TCU, extended the football, he ended up losing it
and then ultimately recovering it, but I thought he broke
the plane. I thought they got a little bit hose there.
I did talk to Mike Pereira. He said the Big
Twelve coordinator said they reviewed it, however, and they had
a they had a conferming angle that said it was short.
But it would have been nice to hear that publicly,
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and there really wasn't anything from the Big Twelve stating that.
So you know, obviously the fourth down stop is what
it is. I hated the play calling, not giving Max
dug In a chance to go score those final two plays.
But the point is, you know, they lost a close,
tight game to a good Kansas State team that they
beat earlier in the season. You can't penalize them for
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playing in conference championship weekend and allow at Alabama or
even Ohio State for that matter, to go ahead of
them when they were sitting at home watching, So I
think they got a right. TCUs had a great season.
Um kind of felt like a season of desting almost,
especially the way they came back in that game. But
I'll be interested to see how they could score off
versus Michigan. You know, this is one of those programs
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that hasn't been a part of it. We get to
see what they're capable of. Uh And really, you know,
I think for Ohio State it's a second life, you know,
a second chance that for as talented as that team
is now getting a shot at going and winning a
national champ ship. But Georgia definitely looks like the best
team there should be number one Michigan at to TCU.
And then obviously how I stated, for did you guys
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see the mock up of what a twelve team playoff
bracket would look like? Oh yeah, I mean it's I can't.
I I like what they did. And to answer the
question Joan, and yes, they did get it right. I
think this is going to be exciting, and I think
it would be exciting if TCU doesn't, you know, get
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get beat up, I think it would be even more exciting.
But I was looking at like what a twelve and
obviously because Penn State would have made it into the
playoffs if there was a twelve team, twelve team playoff.
But I think, I think the level of excitement and
and and the amount of participation it once it goes
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to that twelve team, twelve team playoff, I think is
that's pretty phenomenal. By the way, I was talking with
Rob Parker last night and he's just so against the
twelve team playoffs and says, well, there's not even four
four good enough teams to win a national title. I
expand it, and I'm thinking, bro, it's not about whether
or not you're a legitimate national championship contender. It's about
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presenting somebody with the opportunity. Like nobody looks at the
NFL playoffs and says, man, the seven seeds are real
super Bowl contender. But a one game in in a
in a one game playoff, you never know. You don't
know what's going to happen. Like we've seen wild card
teams win super Bowls before because they get hot, they
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find themselves in a good spot against the team, a
team has a bad half and here we go, Like
just the idea that you want to dismiss it because, well,
the twelve team would be Washington or the eleventh team
would be Penn State, and Penn State couldn't win a
national title. How the hell do you know they were
competitive against Ohio State of Ohio State went on a run,
and they saw them again in the college football semifinal game,
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in a championship game with familiarity. You have no idea,
but it's about presenting the opportunity. So anybody that dismisses
it and says we don't need to expand, come on, man, Like,
at some point, I think it's gonna be awesome. I
think I think it's awesome. I've been looking. You can
make the same argument for the NBA playoffs and saying,
well why don't you why do you need playing games?
Then like, well, what's the point of that, Like, you
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might as well cut out a lot of those, you know,
expanded playoffs scenarios, because not every NBA team is gonna
have a chance of going and winning an NBA championship, right,
So what's the point of having a playing game? I
just I think that's a it's a failed argument. If
you want to say it diminishes the regular season, that's
something that I think there is some validity to. I mean,
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the reality is if if you obviously can still lose
a game or two in the regular season, but making
the playoff and go win a national championship, then yeah,
not every game is that important in the regular season.
And for college football, the regular season has been what
I think. I look, I think it's better in the NFL,
and it's been something that I think it's carried college
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football forever. I mean, think about how we used to
basically determined who our national champion was. It was largely
the turnin based on their schedule in the regular season,
and then then you go play a bowl game based
on the affiliations, whether it was you know, once we
got into the bc YS, that kind of changed. But
we used to have a bowl came out after the
regular season and we have people vote, and the people
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would determine who the national champion was. Like we that's
why we had split championships, and we got a championship
because of that, it was time for Nebraska to get it.
So Tommy Osborne got it, not not Joe Paterno, but
both went undefeated, you know, and so so think about that,
like that's how it used to be determined, and now
we're getting to a point where we have an expanded
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playoff system that I think it's really fair and I
think it's it checks off all the boxes in my opinion.
You're incentivizing the regular season, and then you're even in
your championship conference play because four teams get to buy
that's huge, right, It's one less game you have to play,
wear and tear, but also one less game you can
potentially lose. The next four would then get home field
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advantage in those first round games. That's huge. It's significant advantage,
especially for teams that might be playing up north when
you've got a team that used to play in that
sort of conoses conditions in that weather. So that's a
big advantage and it's a huge excenter for the schools too.
Then that next round of quarterfinal games, right with the
eight remaining teams, they get to go to the New
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Year's Six. Those the quarterfinals semifinal games are rotated amongst
the New Year's Six, and so you get the bowl experience,
you get to go on site with you know, any
of these bowls that do a tremendous job setting it
up and so for the families, the players, etcetera. I mean,
it's a ton of fun. It's a great experiencing economies.
It's all kinds of stuff that I mean. God, Lee
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Michigan rolled up in Indianapolis. Man moly mold even get
you the whole State team, Well, I think they were
morning because Drew Brees got struck by lightning. He was
on the sideline. Okay, so he survived. Okay, that's good.
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You know that whole There's not four good teams that
could do it. Imagine Alabama would be one of those
those teams that got in if it was a twelve
twelve team. And if you don't think that alabamaa run
through Alabama beat any anything. If you don't take you
go ahead, just take names and the old way to
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the titles, like let's go ahead and acknowledge the fact
that you know. Look, Nick Saban came on our show
during you know, the Big Jim in a half time
and and I think what he said it's true. I
talked to one of my buddies who's a handicapper out
in Vegas. I said, what would it be neutral site
Alabama versus TCU? He said, And I said it on
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TV before I even asked this to see you they
send them to another planet. I said on TV, I
said to be a two touchdown favorite, and he text
me back, hears fourteen fourteen and enough points is what
Bama would be giving TCU on a neutral site. So
the reality is that, you know, Nick Saban's not wrong.
Now outside of Georgia, that might be the only team
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that Alabama is not gonna be favorite against. But they
probably would be vers Ohio State, they probably would be
versus Michigan. And then they have two of the best
players in the country and Bryce Young and Will Anderson.
So like I understand his his rationale for what he's
saying why Alabama should be considered to be part of
it because they are talented. He is, you know, he's
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got a proven track record, and you put him in
a championship scenario, they could make a run. But they
didn't do enough during the course of the regular season
ultimately deserve that TCU in this case did, and I
think it would be a shame if you took that
away from them having that opportunity based on what they
did this regular season. First is what Alabama did. So
look at expanded playoffs. Saws all that we're two years
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away from an now, but I just I think it
would have been awful. Even as good as I think
Alabama is, and a towel as talented as they are,
I think it would have been an awful precedent to
set to put in a team that really wasn't deserving
of being there based on how the regular season went.
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So I got a really important question. I got an
important question for the man Brady Quinn himself here, and
I need you to answer this because I think there
are people around the country that are asking themselves the
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same thing. Who watched that game last night in Dallas
between the Colts and the Cowboys? The hell happened to
Indianapolis and the fourth quarter? Um tellt me as someone
who had the seventh four excuse me, eleven points and
the cold I thought, okay, based on the first three quarters,
why we still got a chance. They were competitive? They
(00:45):
were competitive. Like That's the thing about the Colts this
year is I think since Jeff Saturday has taken over,
we thought they provided a spark. It's just it seems
like that spark kind of fizzles out after the first quarter,
second quarters, maybe third quarter in this case. But it
my god, I mean, either Dallas turned it on or
the Colts fell apart. Everyone to look at it. But
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I'll tell you why. That relates to something I spent
some time in Indianapolis this past weekend, and I'm not
sure the result of that game would have mattered that much.
But after seeing the conclusion how bad it got, I don't.
I don't know that Jeff Saturday is gonna really make
it much further. I know it's the interim head coach.
There's a thought maybe he'd be the permanent one. I
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think they're already searching for a different head coach to
come in and take over. I mean, I need to
be looking at a different GM too, you know, I
mean underperformed the way that they're underperforming it. You know,
like you said, I mean, it looked good early on,
but again and especially in Indiana. Uh, you saw the
(01:50):
adjustments at halftime, but you also saw the commitment to
what it is that the true route of what Michigan
football is, which is we're going to run the all.
We're gonna run it on you. And you know what
I mean, it looks like that's what Indianapolis is. Uh
what what Saturday wants his identity to be. But I
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don't know. I don't. They're not good enough on defense
for some reason. Um, and their running game doesn't look sustainable.
Jonathan was doing well in the first half, but it's
it's come harder. Running the ball has come harder for
him this season. And don't look good, Like it doesn't
look good. It doesn't look like they have enough weapons
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to get it going in the passing game or is
it still the quarterback. It just didn't look like cohesiveness
or or a game plan that would have been conducive
to having success. In the second half of the game,
Matt Ryan looks old, and he looks like he's he
just does back. Hey, well, I'm just saying, and it
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looks like he can't get away from pressure anymore. Like
the second it starts to collapse, it's over when well no,
but I mean it feels like now when it gets
near him, he just sort of collapses. That's it. And
and you know they're turning the ball over left and
right in that game last night, especially late, it just
it feels like it continues to go back to the quarterback,
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and it continues to go back to Andrew Luck retiring
in the preseason on the sideline and them still trying
to scramble to figure out where they're going to go
as far as quarterback is. And I don't we made
the point earlier this season Carson Wentz was a better
option than they've got this year. I mean it's like
he played, He's outplayed Matt Ryan if you want to
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compare seasons, and it's not even close. Yeah, But I
mean they'd be in a better spot if they had
Carson Wentz and Matt Ryan. But it just and I
don't think too on the Jeff Saturday front. I don't
even know if Saturday would want to come back, to
be honest with you, like, this is a lot and
there's a lot more that needs to be done, and
they feel like they feel like they're a long way
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away from being a team that's going to compete. And
if you don't have the quarterback, I don't see what
the open is there in Indianapolis, you know, we we
I was talking to a few players who were there.
Steve Hutchinson was there for the game, this Big Ten
championship game. Cliff April obviously a great out there at
the Saddle Seahawks. He was representing Purdue, Brandon Edward's all, all
all these guys were back. They got a chance to
see and one of the things that it came up
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with everyone, because you're you're sitting there playing in the Colts,
you know, home stadium, and the topic of Jeff Saturday
kind of comes up just because it's so kind of
buzzworthy regards to former players and if they get into coaching,
and just the fact that you know, he was on TV.
He was broadcasting. You know a lot of guys are
out there broadcasting with its radio, TV, whatever. And and
I LaVar, You've talked about this, like, I think there's
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a lot of guys for now they look at like,
all right, maybe I'm at candidate potentially, or maybe I
should look into this. But one of the prevailing thoughts
is everyone kind of said, like, man like he took
that job though, and even though it you know, in
some people's mind opens the door for a former player
if it go was as badly as this is going,
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it just slams the right shut right, Like like early
early on in pression, you're kind of thinking, Okay, this
is someone that Jimmer said, trust he believes that in
Jeff Saturday, because of his time as a player, comes
in as a great press conference. Awesome, it doesn't matter
if you don't get the results. And one of the
things we discussed was just you know, if you're Jeff Saturday.
Do you just decline it purely because you're not ready
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for that opportunity and you need to, you know, actually
be ready to seize that opportunity. It was it was
an uphill battle for him to step into a team
that wasn't performing under you know, the Plan A, which
was Frank Reich and Matt Ryan and everyone else they
started the season with. And so what made you think
during the season they were going to make some drastic
change just because Jeff Saturday is there, because the personnel
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can't change, and you know, they changed back to Matt Ryan.
That looked good for a week, but that was it.
I mean it's since then everything's just been going downhill.
So it leads me to a name that I heard
that kept kind of saying, right, maybe they're poking and
prodding around a few potent shull former NFL head coaches
that happened to be there in Indie that happened to
be hoisting up a Big Ten Championship trophy and a
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former cult and a former former cult. He's in the Raptors.
His name is up in there. He's only it is
that would be interesting because he didn't I mean, he
had success. I mean, he's one of the guys, the
few guys I can say he had success true success
playing or coaching there, So that would be interesting hardball
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going to to the colts. I'll say this nature running
its course. You know, for all the coaches that you know,
the purest that's it, this was you made a mockery
out of the position. You've You've done things that have
set the game back a hundred years. Um. For all
those people that that I would, there was a couple,
(06:53):
there was a couple of the game back a hundred
years because Saturday. Can you imagine be on that poster
that Um, I'll tell you what I mean, you get,
you get it's seeming like you're getting the last and
I mean, in this situation you could we could call
it the last laugh. But I mean it is what
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it is. It's what I said in the beginning. If
there's if there is, if there is the opportunity or
the idea that a guy could actually take a team
and get that team going under the circumstances that Jeff
Saturday got him going under, and he's a former player,
then that that, I guess it changes. It has to
(07:38):
change the way you look at why coaches are getting
the jobs that they're getting, why others aren't getting it? Like?
Is it nepotism? Is it? Is it a meritocracy? As
as you've loved to say, Q is it? Like? What
is it? And and whether it's fair or unfair? Jeff
Saturday was either going to be the beacon of this
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maybe it isn't as complex or complicated as it may seem,
or or maybe it is. But it was gonna fall
on his shoulders just because of the uniqueness of the situation.
And I think we're all finding out now there's there's
more to it. There's more to it, you know. I mean,
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you know, I feel like it was one of those
things where you know, guys kind of celebrated like, oh man,
we're here, we made it, you know, and then it's
just it didn't it didn't last. And on the Harbor run.
So coming into the season after whatever the hell you
called that situation in Minnesota was where he showed up
thinking he was going to get the job and then
all of a sudden the job wasn't really offered to
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him and they said no, we're just kind of, you know,
poking around. And then he went back to Michigan and
he signed the contract and Harby said, I'm here to stay.
I want to be here. I'm here to stay in Michigan. Well,
I think the feeling was if he was gonna leave,
this past off season was the time to because he
finally beat Ohio State, he got him to the college
football Playoff. That was really the thing that he had
(09:04):
to accomplish before he left Michigan. Well, now he's done
it a second straight year. Now they're, you know, second
in odds to win the national championship if he if
Michigan wins the title, I could absolutely see hard Boss saying, yeah,
I've done what I came here to do. And now
if there's enough money on the table, and if Jim
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Mursay calls him up and just empties the bag and says,
here's what we got for you. Are you interested? I
can absolutely see har about taking aim that's all. Is
it as simple as that, Because here's the thing I'd
say about leaving to take that job. He's got things
rolling right now. Like I think we're underestimating where he's
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got this program. I mean, we tend to forget there's
there's been a changing in the guard. It happened subtly
like it happened. Actually, I think coming off of the
COVID year where they didn't play Ohio State, right, they
broke up that that tradition, the history that they chose
not to play. You know. The excuse, I don't want
to say the excuse, but the rationale was, you know,
(10:11):
COVID on their team. They couldn't they couldn't get out
there to perform. And ultimately it didn't matter how I
State end up going winning the Big Ten and then
moving on into that playoff scenario. But the point was
the two years after that, Michigan's now rolled them physically.
I think the interesting thing is gonna be if if
Ohio State was able to be Georgia, if Michigan beats
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Tco and they score off again, if they score off again,
and that's who he beats for the national championship, why
would you leave? By the way, Albert Briner may not
may never appear on the show again at that, but
but in all seriousness, imagine that scenario. Why would you leave?
Like you've now you're three and oh versus Ryan Day,
(10:53):
you won a national championship, your quarterbacks coming back, you're
running back right now that's playing coming back Donovan Edwards.
They've been a lot, They've got a lot of young
players that are gonna be coming back that they reloaded with.
They've continued to recruit. Well, like it could be something
where like it's a changing of the guard in the
Big Ten where now you've got Michigan taking over for
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Ohio State as that number one team, that that's the
team to beat. I just I'm not sure that the
grass is always greener, and and maybe recruiting and everything
else that's going on, and he doesn't want to be
a part of that, maybe that's a portion of it,
But I don't know, man, I could I could see
him just staying if things kind of worked out to
play out that dream scenario for him this year. I'm
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not so sure you want to go work for a
guy who again hired Jeff Saturday in the first place, Like, yeah,
he did that without Core hum and the defense and
who's the defense and with the dreads at the Hrris
I mean, well, I mean Mike Morris played a little
bit of Rosa State, not much, but yeah, I mean
neither really played much versus versus the buck Eyes, like
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they that by the way. That's how deep, that's how
well he's developed, recruited all of it. I mean, he's
a good coach, Don't get me wrong. I know why
they're looking at him because he's had success. He made
it to a super Bowl in San Francisco. He's now
gonna make it to back to back college football playoffs,
maybe a national championship. I we'll see where this team
goes this year. But he's a good coach. He knows
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how to develop guys. He knows how to kind of
eventually give enough time, he'll get it all going in
the right direction. So I can completely understand when they
look at him. I just think he's got to be
careful about, you know, the type of organization that he
wants to get involved with. You know, and what how
jimmers it might be running that thing to do is
pay him. Well, No, I was gonna say, maybe you
(12:40):
can talk his former quarterback Andrew Luck into coming back.
You know, maybe there's that on the table. You know,
Andrew Luck who just disappeared, He's just vanished off. Nobody
saying see him. I'll see him tonight, You're gonna see
him and tomorrow. All right, I think you gonna get
him to have a long island or what. Well, I'm
going to talk to him like this one. What's going on? Andrew?
Are you ask him if anybody's ever told him? Because
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Brady pointed this out years ago that he sounds like
Andre the Giant asked him. I actually did not say that.
You probably I think I was Actually I'm probably not
going to ask him that either. You know, It's just
what I'm just going to go up to. I'm going
to be like, So you're Andrew, look home. It's pleasure
to meet you. Be sure to catch live editions of
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Watson looked rusty at quarterback and the Houston Texans are
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atrocious while they're a bad football team. And that was
my biggest takeaway from that game, the return of Deshaun
Watson there with the against the Houston Texans. Yeah, I
always looked like he was bedridden for like two years,
or like maybe just sage table for two years, just
like that. I don't know, but he looked like rusty
and that's one of the things that I think people
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fail to understanding and realizes the speed and the intensity
of the game, Like it's it's even at the college
level too, Like you kind of go down there pre
games standing on the sidelines, You're watching to fly around.
You're like, dang, like I did that at one point.
If you're like going, I don't like you think you
could go out there and do it again. Some part
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of you two is kind of like you forget about
like the mindset you have to have going into it
and what that feels like. It's it's you. I mean literally,
you gotta flip a switch. And I don't care what
position you play, you have to flip a switch because
when you go out there in the field, like you
can get hurt. You can have a serious, serious injury
with how this game is played. So it looked like
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the game was moving too fast for him, and you
kind of felt like that was going to be the case.
But fortunately it was a warm up game against the
Texans for the worst team in the NFL. It's not
even close, and in front of a crowd that it
didn't look like many people were there to really watch them.
So I'm not sure even mattered. Um that Watson was
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coming back, and if people wanted to come boo him
or hate on him, this team is so bad they
can't field anything. You know. I didn't seem like there's
much of anyone there at the game. I don't, I don't.
I kind of felt like we were hitting towards it
being a dud of a story, and and it kind
of lived up to the potential of it, like it
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was a dud, Like of course you were going to
hear fans being you know, fans, they were going to
boo him and and and put it to you this
way extraordinary. He left under some extraordinary circums answers. I
mean the things that played out and have happened. But
players get boot that come back to their former teams.
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You know, it happens. You know, either you're super beloved.
I mean, didn't they didn't Some people boot Russell Wilson
when he get went back to I mean people, Carol,
he was leading. Just listen, some people are are going
to get boots. Some people are going to be beloved.
I don't. I mean, you guys, tell me. I didn't
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see anything happened that was out of the norm for
a Marquee former franchise player returning back to their their
their home stadium, um, their original stadium. I didn't see
anything out of the norm. They seemed like the Texans
fan base just seems a little disenchanted with the franchise,
Like they're not. Like it wasn't even listed as a sellout,
Like I thought there was going to be a sellout
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their most intended game. Did you see did you see
the Stags? It wasn't even close. But even like like
tickets sold, Like there were still thousands of tickets that
weren't sold to this game. And I thought, man, Deshaun
Watson's back, you know, maybe they come back and they're
fired up. They feel like, you know, he burned a
bridge with them, and yet here we are and and
they're just they didn't care. They didn't care at all
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the way I think a lot of people, myself included,
thought they would. And that's how it played out. Maybe
all the suits were sold out, you know, maybe that's
where they were all at heard about those sweet Can
I say this though, it's kind of crazy to think
of the departure from Bill O'Brien when they were at
least one of the a f C South which I
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don't know that that's much to ask for right now.
I mean that division that the South divisions in the NFL,
a f C, n NFC stink, and it's like you
moved on from Bill O'Brien and now you're looking at
a disaster. Since I mean he was winning with like
the second string quarterbacks, third str I mean, he was
winning divisions and now they can barely even feel a
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crowd to come watch. How bad this team has gotten.
It's it's brutal. Now let's hear from Deshaun Watson, So
the Browns quarterback. He spoke after the game. He talked
about his return back to Houston, his performance here, he
was afterwards, being my first game back here in Houston
was was tough. You know, walking into the stadium on
the opposite side of the of the stadium and locker room.
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It was different because I know exactly how those guys
get ready for games and how they do the pre
game to talk and everything. So it was a lot
of emotion. Like I said, it is what it is.
You know, I can't control what the fans do and
how they approach whenever I step on the field. My
job is to go out there and execute and do
my best as I can for the team. I just
say I felt every single one of those seven hundred days. Honestly,
(19:43):
I said, whatever however long I've been out, I felt
every single one of those days. So getting back in
shape and everything was definitely, uh definitely needed to feel
that today. Yeah, probably uh probably sore, I mean all
that stuff. I mean, going on two years, he hasn't
played an actual game, although we do have some good
news according to Adam Schefter, uh Deshaun Watson. This was
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reported yesterday um or over the weekend that he has
shown progress in his treatment program, you know, signs of
progress during his mandatory treatment program. Schefter always just has
that inside school. I'm almost like it's it's like some
agents writing at four. I'm trying to figure out, like
what would indicate signs of progress instead of forty he's
(20:27):
down to bring us towel everywhere with him in the game.
I don't know, like what are we like, what are
we talking about here? Could his quarterback towel have doubled
as the towel that us Oh god, like a ginzoo
knife at some point, you know, like I mean like
you could do amazing things with that thing. And and
(20:49):
here's the the idea that Adam Schefter is spinning this with. Well, look,
you know he's shown signs of how how do you
prove that he's shown signs of progress from treatment? You know,
what do you mean? What are you getting? Signs of
progress from treatment? I mean that's like real, that's a
(21:13):
real report. Yeah, and that was all that was all
the detail that was given. Yeah, signs of progress. But
what would be signs of progress in your body? Yeah?
I've got an idea in my mind. Do you want
to hear you? Quote for you? I gotta This is
from one source connected to Watson's treatment program. Quote. He's
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been progressing well and he wants to continue with it
and they feel it's helping him. He's just sort of
ongoing as needed and it will be ongoing until it's
not needed anymore. And I think it's given him a
lot of help and support. But this could take a while.
I don't get it. I don't either, I really don't
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get it, Like, like what into here? Like what are
we doing here? Just didn't make any said, like he's
really showing signs to progress. He's down to eighteen this time.
He was at forty something before. He's now down to eighteen.
He's got a rotation of eighteen. He's really he's really
(22:24):
trimmed the fat here at that. Like, what are we
talking about here? It could take a while, man, No kidding,
he's got a problem. It could be here forever. Just so,
I mean, I'm trying to figure out what these these
signs of progress are, LaVar. I mean, you got to
help us here. Don't put that on me. You're trying
to put that on me. I didn't even feel like
(22:45):
that was a real report, Like that's a real report.
It's like an onion headline. And I'm I'm certain, I'm
certain it is an onion and I will say this.
I'm more I'm more curious about what he does now
(23:07):
versus then than I was about this game yesterday that
he played in. I have more curious. That is a curiosity.
How do you move forward after this? Like if you
like something, you like something like if if you like
ice cream and you say I'm giving up ice cream,
you know there's the chance that you're still you know, like, hey,
(23:28):
like bunket, I'm gonna get some ice cream today. Like
it's it could be anything that you have a vice with, right,
I like long islands. I might one day give up
Long Islands. But there's the chance that I'm like, you
know what, I'm bunckett. I'm gonna have some some Long
islands today. I just wonder. I'm more curious about that
(23:48):
because you know, when you talk about him being you know,
in the situation that he's in, they said part of
part of the agreement was he he was going to
have to go through you know, the whole you know,
treatment of how how does it all work? Right? Like,
I wonder about that entails like outside of like talking
to someone and educating themselves and all that, Like did
(24:10):
they test them? You know, do they put them through
like a rigorous test for like that? Of that, that's
I'm more curious of all of that. I'm more curious, honestly,
Like I found I find that put a bottle of
baby oil on the table and just say, I mean,
(24:32):
if you think about it, I do believe this to
be I mean, I think I heard this before. I mean,
I'm just not gonna say I've read it. But when
you're on something, don't they have to give it to
you to wean you off of it like they give
you small doses of it when you're going through like
the whole cold turkey doesn't work very well. Yeah, So
so how is the process of undoing what what he's
(24:58):
got going on? How does that work? I've got an idea, right,
So obviously you guys travel, You've been traveling a lot lately,
and you know, like those neck pillows you get for
the planes can help you on. They're great. There was
so tired Sunday morning. I bought one and I was
like kind of searching on which one is the right one.
And I gotta be honest with you, I don't think
(25:20):
it's gonna work. I think I just wasted a bunch
of money by the Yeah, I mean they're a little price,
especially getting I just like like I can't fall a
sleep with my head like unless I'm laying out flat,
I can't be sitting up and like my head just
perfectly straight and like just fall asleep. To be able
to lean on it. Yeah, well you're supposed to be
able to lean on the good one, Like I got
(25:40):
a memory foam one, and it's you gotta be able
to It's almost like it gives you the ability to
lean like and not stay straight like you're saying, tilt
to the side. Yeah, but you need to get feel
better than not having it. You need to get some sleep.
But here's what I'm thinking. Maybe because they realize, you know,
Deshaun Watts and as to travel as well too, So
(26:01):
maybe they come up with a device that's like a
neck pillar for a plane, but instead it's like a
pair of human hands, you know, like maybe that just
so he feels like he's constantly got somebody massaging his neck,
and it feels it almost simulates him getting massage that no,
I understand, ain't the one that Yeah, but you can't. Yeah,
(26:24):
but you can't you know, there wouldn't his legs being
more appropriate. Yes, but again that's where he gets in trouble.
So maybe you put them but I can get the
electrodes on his legs and you put it on like
a low frequency. Yeah, but he's getting that stimulation that's
what they call it. When you go into the to
the lock into the training room, you know, you go
(26:46):
get ice and yeah, so maybe you ice and stem
his legs, you know, and put it in. Like maybe
they create a new setting called the Deshaun Watson setting. Yeah,
how about that what's that setting? Like I don't know,
but what you would have to get that information from him? Yeah,
it's probably unique to him certainly would Uh well, let's
(27:09):
just wonder what the like, what's what's what's the focus
of it, Like, what's the end result of it? Because
you've got to be total relaxation if it's to work.
You don't want them to explode and like go off.
Definitely not that's like the last thing you want relapse
and justlode back into the next thing. You know, he's
(27:31):
putting his towels away in a filing cabinet. You know,
just the whole thing is uncomfortable. And again, but you guys,
I mean are making jokes about this. I think he's
showing progress and I'd like to know though, Like I
still like I'm curious, like what is that process in
all serious that some of these like tweets and reports
you from schefter, I'm just like, all right, the agent
(27:51):
wrote that, I mean literally, like it sounds like it
came directly from the agent. And look I get it,
like that's of his job, Like he's an insider. He's
gonna have these relationships. But I'm like, my goodness, like
making a little bit more objective. You know, I would
like to have more information. I mean I wouldn't. Okay,
(28:14):
that made me I felt like I compromised myself there. Um,
I'm I just would be curious as to what what
has been done. Like you come out and say, Okay,
Deshaun Watson has gone through the program, he's back, He's
did his his suspension. Like who's to say it's not
business as usual? It's just a different approach, you know
(28:37):
what I mean? Like who like and all seriousness? Like
I'm not I'm not even joking right now. Who's to
say you're not back? And who's to say you haven't
been back to business as usual? You know, because you
always when you do things and and listen, this is
all alleged because he's settled. But but we can assume
(28:57):
because he did confess or admit that he was getting
these massages done, if he doesn't believe he's guilty, which
we all know he has assumed or continued to to
say he's innocent. He wanted to fight it and he
did whatever he needed to do to continue playing football,
So he doesn't believe he did anything wrong. He doesn't
(29:20):
believe he's wrong. So if you don't believe that you're wrong,
then why would you stop doing what you're doing if
you became one of the highest paid players in the
history of the game. Like obviously, he probably is somewhere
thinking he's done everything right and everybody else got everything wrong.
So that was part of what got him that two jonas.
(29:42):
It might sound silly not but if we're being serious here,
if you don't think you did anything wrong then and
and and you settled and and there everybody else is wrong,
then who's to say he's not continuing to do the
same exact things that guy him to where he is
right now today. That's what I'm curious about. That's more
(30:05):
people are superstitious. They keep doing the same things because like, yeah,
I had success doing this, and keep doing it the
same same shoe, same same shoe, last ti saying, same tile.
So what eme if you think he's like superstitious about it, now,
that's great. What if he hasn't done it and he
played the way he played yesterday and was like, man,
(30:25):
forget this. But you remember when Superman got punched in
his face when he went into the little diner after
he came out because he said he didn't want to
be Superman because he wanted to hang with Lowis Lane.
What if what if Deshaun Watson came out of that game,
like forget this, Like Deshaun Watson got to do. Deshaun
Watson gonna be that guy in the field. Remember the
program when the Laddimer got up the gas and he
got ran over on the side. Hey, I gotta get
(30:48):
back to this stuff that got me here, And that's
what he did. I mean, that's a great that's a
great illustration. Honestly, it's a great illustration of it. Laddimer
might be the best one. That's the best example her.
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Culture Football Playoff. You got one number one Georgia verse
number four Ohio State. Ohio State gets in there in
the Peach Bowl, and then the Fiesta Bowl is Michigan
number two versus number three TCU. All right, so Mr
College Football there, Brady Quinn. Did they get it right?
TCU doesn't lose any ground. TCU is still in the
playoff even though they lost their Big twelve title game. Yeah,
(32:21):
they got it right. I think ultimately, when you look
at the resumes of all the teams, you know, who
are you going to move ahead of TCU at that point? Um,
they have five top twenty five wins this season. They
won four in a row during the course of their
Big Twelve play and look they lose in overtime. And
in my opinion, I thought that third and um the
third and goal play where Kendre Miller, the running back
(32:42):
for TCU, extended the football, he ended up losing it
and then ultimately recovering it, but I thought he broke
the plane. I thought they got a little bit hose there.
I did talk to Mike Pereira. He said the Big
Twelve coordinator said they reviewed it, however, and they had
a they had a conferming angle that said it was short.
But it would have been nice to hear that publicly,
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and there really wasn't anything from the Big Twelve stating that.
So you know, obviously the fourth down stop is what
it is. I hated the play calling, not giving Max
dug In a chance to go score those final two plays.
But the point is, you know, they lost a close,
tight game to a good Kansas State team that they
beat earlier in the season. You can't penalize them for
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playing in conference championship weekend and allow at Alabama or
even Ohio State for that matter, to go ahead of
them when they were sitting at home watching, So I
think they got a right. TCUs had a great season.
Um kind of felt like a season of desting almost,
especially the way they came back in that game. But
I'll be interested to see how they could score off
versus Michigan. You know, this is one of those programs
(33:46):
that hasn't been a part of it. We get to
see what they're capable of. Uh And really, you know,
I think for Ohio State it's a second life, you know,
a second chance that for as talented as that team
is now getting a shot at going and winning a
national champ ship. But Georgia definitely looks like the best
team there should be number one Michigan at to TCU.
And then obviously how I stated, for did you guys
(34:07):
see the mock up of what a twelve team playoff
bracket would look like? Oh yeah, I mean it's I can't.
I I like what they did. And to answer the
question Joan, and yes, they did get it right. I
think this is going to be exciting, and I think
it would be exciting if TCU doesn't, you know, get
(34:33):
get beat up, I think it would be even more exciting.
But I was looking at like what a twelve and
obviously because Penn State would have made it into the
playoffs if there was a twelve team, twelve team playoff.
But I think, I think the level of excitement and
and and the amount of participation it once it goes
(34:56):
to that twelve team, twelve team playoff, I think is
that's pretty phenomenal. By the way, I was talking with
Rob Parker last night and he's just so against the
twelve team playoffs and says, well, there's not even four
four good enough teams to win a national title. I
expand it, and I'm thinking, bro, it's not about whether
or not you're a legitimate national championship contender. It's about
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presenting somebody with the opportunity. Like nobody looks at the
NFL playoffs and says, man, the seven seeds are real
super Bowl contender. But a one game in in a
in a one game playoff, you never know. You don't
know what's going to happen. Like we've seen wild card
teams win super Bowls before because they get hot, they
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find themselves in a good spot against the team, a
team has a bad half and here we go, Like
just the idea that you want to dismiss it because, well,
the twelve team would be Washington or the eleventh team
would be Penn State, and Penn State couldn't win a
national title. How the hell do you know they were
competitive against Ohio State of Ohio State went on a run,
and they saw them again in the college football semifinal game,
(36:00):
in a championship game with familiarity. You have no idea,
but it's about presenting the opportunity. So anybody that dismisses
it and says we don't need to expand, come on, man, Like,
at some point, I think it's gonna be awesome. I
think I think it's awesome. I've been looking. You can
make the same argument for the NBA playoffs and saying,
well why don't you why do you need playing games?
Then like, well, what's the point of that, Like, you
(36:22):
might as well cut out a lot of those, you know,
expanded playoffs scenarios, because not every NBA team is gonna
have a chance of going and winning an NBA championship, right,
So what's the point of having a playing game? I
just I think that's a it's a failed argument. If
you want to say it diminishes the regular season, that's
something that I think there is some validity to. I mean,
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the reality is if if you obviously can still lose
a game or two in the regular season, but making
the playoff and go win a national championship, then yeah,
not every game is that important in the regular season.
And for college football, the regular season has been what
I think. I look, I think it's better in the NFL,
and it's been something that I think it's carried college
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football forever. I mean, think about how we used to
basically determined who our national champion was. It was largely
the turnin based on their schedule in the regular season,
and then then you go play a bowl game based
on the affiliations, whether it was you know, once we
got into the bc YS, that kind of changed. But
we used to have a bowl came out after the
regular season and we have people vote, and the people
(37:26):
would determine who the national champion was. Like we that's
why we had split championships, and we got a championship
because of that, it was time for Nebraska to get it.
So Tommy Osborne got it, not not Joe Paterno, but
both went undefeated, you know, and so so think about that,
like that's how it used to be determined, and now
we're getting to a point where we have an expanded
(37:46):
playoff system that I think it's really fair and I
think it's it checks off all the boxes in my opinion.
You're incentivizing the regular season, and then you're even in
your championship conference play because four teams get to buy
that's huge, right, It's one less game you have to play,
wear and tear, but also one less game you can
potentially lose. The next four would then get home field
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advantage in those first round games. That's huge. It's significant advantage,
especially for teams that might be playing up north when
you've got a team that used to play in that
sort of conoses conditions in that weather. So that's a
big advantage and it's a huge excenter for the schools too.
Then that next round of quarterfinal games, right with the
eight remaining teams, they get to go to the New
(38:28):
Year's Six. Those the quarterfinals semifinal games are rotated amongst
the New Year's Six, and so you get the bowl experience,
you get to go on site with you know, any
of these bowls that do a tremendous job setting it
up and so for the families, the players, etcetera. I mean,
it's a ton of fun. It's a great experiencing economies.
It's all kinds of stuff that I mean. God, Lee
(38:50):
Michigan rolled up in Indianapolis. Man moly mold even get
you the whole State team, Well, I think they were
morning because Drew Brees got struck by lightning. He was
on the sideline. Okay, so he survived. Okay, that's good.
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You know that whole There's not four good teams that
could do it. Imagine Alabama would be one of those
those teams that got in if it was a twelve
twelve team. And if you don't think that alabamaa run
through Alabama beat any anything. If you don't take you
go ahead, just take names and the old way to
(39:35):
the titles, like let's go ahead and acknowledge the fact
that you know. Look, Nick Saban came on our show
during you know, the Big Jim in a half time
and and I think what he said it's true. I
talked to one of my buddies who's a handicapper out
in Vegas. I said, what would it be neutral site
Alabama versus TCU? He said, And I said it on
(39:57):
TV before I even asked this to see you they
send them to another planet. I said on TV, I
said to be a two touchdown favorite, and he text
me back, hears fourteen fourteen and enough points is what
Bama would be giving TCU on a neutral site. So
the reality is that, you know, Nick Saban's not wrong.
Now outside of Georgia, that might be the only team
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that Alabama is not gonna be favorite against. But they
probably would be vers Ohio State, they probably would be
versus Michigan. And then they have two of the best
players in the country and Bryce Young and Will Anderson.
So like I understand his his rationale for what he's
saying why Alabama should be considered to be part of
it because they are talented. He is, you know, he's
(40:38):
got a proven track record, and you put him in
a championship scenario, they could make a run. But they
didn't do enough during the course of the regular season
ultimately deserve that TCU in this case did, and I
think it would be a shame if you took that
away from them having that opportunity based on what they
did this regular season. First is what Alabama did. So
look at expanded playoffs. Saws all that we're two years
(40:59):
away from an now, but I just I think it
would have been awful. Even as good as I think
Alabama is, and a towel as talented as they are,
I think it would have been an awful precedent to
set to put in a team that really wasn't deserving
of being there based on how the regular season went.
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