December 15, 2022 • 48 mins
Thursday on 2 Pros and a Cup of Joe, Jonas Knox, Brady Quinn and LaVar Arrington preview Thursday Night Football between the 49ers and Seahawks. They talk about the itch to play post-retirement. The Jets elevate Zach Wilson to the backup position but are still unwilling to admit they messed up by benching him in the first place. Senior NFL Reporter Albert Breer lends insight on OBJ, the Cardinals organization, the Baltimore QB situation, Sean Payton’s interests, Jeff Saturday’s status and the latest developments with the possible ousting of Dan Snyder.
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
Is the best of two pros and a couple of
Joe with Lamar Areas, Rady Quinn and Jonas Knocks on
four Radio. Let's get into some Thursday night football action.
How about it? Week fifteen is here and it starts
later tonight. We've got Niners at the Seahawks. San fran
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is a three point favorite, only three in mini books.
Yeah dropped, It's a three and a half in some books,
but but three point favorite in mini books. And now,
speaking of three, we could be looking at, uh the
third and now maybe fourth quarterback who could be starting
for the San Francisco forty Niners this year because brock
Party is dealing with an oblique issue and so there's
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the potential that what Josh Johnson might actually get up.
I mean, I mean, it's it's Kyle Shanahan's system. I
was trying to think back. I'm having a hard son
think of a quarterback you didn't excel in Kyle Shanahan's offense.
So Matt Show was a pro bowler in Houston, and
his offense were talked about with LaVar. I mean you mentioned,
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like Rgie three was an offensive rookie of the Year
in that system. Brian Hoyer had his best year in Cleveland.
Cleveland was I think leading the a f C North
that year in the Kirk Cousins bought out in it.
You know, you now look at what he's done with
Jimmy g. Obviously he didn't you know, in starting play
a lot of time in New England, but he's been
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to now what a super Bowl, but Jimmy G and
deep into the playoffs. I mean, I just Nick Mullins
got traded for based on the small sample size of
games he started. C. J. Bethard's you know, did well
on it. By the way, you remember when Nick Mullins,
Like that was a real conversation that Nick Mullins was
very Cooper Rush esque is what it was. Yeah, Like
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I remember there was a preseason game against Denver and
Jimmy Garoppola through an early pick and Mullins came in
and I just remember hearing people say, man, Nick Mollins
is the guy. I mean, Nick Mollins is the guy.
I mean, I know you paid Jimmy money, but Nick
Bollins is the guy. So that's just all Kyle Shanahan
that just like he just made pretty much. Man, I
think he is so much more brilliant than anyone gives
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him credit. And it started like when he was young,
you know, following his dad and and just drawing up
scout team cards, and he knows like what personnel and
what formations or shifts or motions get you into the
defensive front and he wants to run against or the
coverage he wants to throw against. Like he's that good.
I think the only thing that he ever has to
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figure out in his offense is how are you gonna
play George Kittle if I put him here? How are
you gonna play Christian McCaffrey if I put him out here?
What are you gonna do if I have both Christian
McCaffrey and what Deebo Samuel was playing when I have
them both in the backfield? How are you gonna play that?
Like That's the only thing I think early in games
he's trying to figure out. Once he figures that out,
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he just goes on from there and everything I was
just setting you up for whatever it is later on
the game, Like last week it was, you know, they
throw the hook, They throw the hook and then throw
the hook up, and then the two minute drive they
run a double move and I you kind of stuttered
the furnitial l Dean. It releases downfield pretty just you know,
a little pump fig throw it up, touchdown and like that.
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That's that's what he's doing to help pretty as a
rookie succeed. And it's not overly complicated. So again, I'm
one of his biggest fans because watching tape on that
guy is so much fun. Like it's it's it's like
watching your favorite movie to me, if you're if you
dig football. So, by the way, has Matt Ryan been
the same quarterback since Kyle Shanahan left Atlanta? He did
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win the m v P that year, unless he followed
that up with an m v P somewhere. But I'm
but I'm saying, but I'm you know what I'm saying, Like,
my god, what are you saying? Has he been since
since that season? Do you look at Matt Ryan is
one of the top quarterbacks in the NFL after Kyle
Shanahan left. No So, like I just there is something
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too wherever he goes. Whoever you to go ahead, just
saying what do you want to say? Bust my balls?
Just get it out of the way, go ahead. And
this morning I was just gonna say, but everyone's still
blaming if they're throwing on fourth and one or whatever
it was, so well, yeah, I mean it's his fault exactly,
like everyone's still blameing and Kyle Shanahan and that offense
apparently being up three, like a defense can't get take
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any blame in that one. Yeah. I felt that way
about Garoppolo. Niners. Everybody wants to blame Garoppolo for that loss.
It was their defense in the Super Bowl defense, I
mean a defensive guy, so what he gave him the
two possession to possession lead. Like if you if you
think back to how well their defense was playing all
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year long, what would people attribute the success of that season? Two?
The way their defense played, their defense were was lights out.
So you think that you go into a second half
of a game, you're in the fourth quarter and it
was still a two possession game. You're in the fourth
quarter with a two possession game, and what was it
third and eighteen to Tyreek Hill, and everybody everybody gets
upset because okay, they come back, they take lead, and
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Garoppolo misses a throw like okay, he overthrew man, I
guess one throw? Well, what about the two possessions? How
many players they take for them to to overtake the
lead of a two possession game in the fourth quarter
of the Super Bowl. I'll tell you right now, if
I was on that defense, I still have my head
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hung low, hung real low, because you let a great,
great opportunity to get away. Anyway. Here, here's what I
would say about tonight, this is we're talking about. I
think this is an interesting matchup because as poorly as
as uh the CFCA Hawks have been playing lately, there's
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still above five team and they still have the capabilities
of of beating a San Francisco team. So I think
this is a very very intriguing game. I think it's
a really dope game to have on a Thursday night
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UM check the game out on UM. Yeah, you know,
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it's one of those games where I'd say you will
most likely be more entertained than let down by this game.
I think they're gonna play each other hard. This this
this forty Niners team is really really on a a
like a very very nice rise, like they're they're they're
on some Cincinnati Bengals type type rise. And how they're playing,
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like their their play has has gone up tremendously, Like
they look really good since they've gotten healthy. Now they've
gotten a little banged up again. But I think ever
since they've added McCaffrey and adding that wrinkle to their offense,
I think that this team has just been pretty pretty,
pretty devastating on offense. You guys surprise their favorite in
this spot. They're, like you mentioned, they're banged up. Kenneth
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Walker's coming back for Seattle. I don't know Seattle sputtered
a little bit lately, but it's a short week. You're
on the road, and you could be playing your fourth
quarterback of the Season's favor about More, to be honest, Really,
the way they're playing right now me, I'm surprised they're
not favor about More. I really like the Niners right now. Yeah.
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So I look at Seattle. They've lost three of their
last four, and I thought Gineou hasn't been playing very well.
I thought the pressure starting to kind of mount, He's
pressing a bit. It's a bad matchup. So when you
think about, like Seattle doesn't have the best offensive protection,
that they were better earlier than the year, I think
now they've started to slip up some and that's gonna
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be a mismatch to me with both boats on that
defensive front. Even if they get Keneth Walker back, he's
still give me a little banged up. DJ Dallas also
has been practicing, or at least he didn't Tuesday. Um,
so we'll see if he has a depth of the backfield.
I just look and I say, like the Seattle has
a hard time stopping the run, San Francisco is one
of the best teams running the football. If Pete Carroll's
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defense can put this all on Brock Purty and forced
him to throw plus you know passes, I think you
get a turnover. I think you get a pick, and
I think maybe that keeps you in the game. Like,
that's what it's gonna come down to. If they could
put this on Purtty's shoulder and really stress him to
showcase whether or not he can be a guy, that's
what would dictate this because that that hasn't been the
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case since Pretty's taken over. You know, he hasn't been
asked to do that yet. These teams have played some
great matchups, man like back in the day. That front,
if that front keeps playing the way that they're playing,
and they can create that that type of running space
for McCaffrey and allow cow shanahan to get into a
rhythm um of balance between the movement of of Kittle
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and and you know, now, I guess I you can,
and you know, McCaffrey, I think that that's it's still
gonna be. It's gonna be difficult for them to force
Pretty to have to be the one who wins the game.
I don't I don't see Seattle being the team that
forces him to have to do anything outside of what
cow shanahan wants him to do. I kind of want
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to see Josh Johnson play. I'll be honest with you,
when it's the last time a coach has one a
game with three different starting cornerbacks in the season, Well,
like when's it when? Like, when's the last time that happened?
If that were to happen, though, then you can't keep
building the narrative that that he's the next Joe Namath.
Of course, they said they didn't want to say Joe
Montana put that pressure on him, so they said Joe Namath.
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I thought that was one of the funniest things I've
heard on a Color commentary. By the way, well, because
Joe mont I'm going to say Joe Namath, not Joe Montana.
Joe Montana is a much better quarterback than Joe. I mean,
he had a better career, but still, why would you
even go there? Some would argue Joe NamUs shouldn't be
in the Hall of Fame. Some would argue that Joe
Namath is from Beaver Falls, Pennsylvania. I would not. I
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would not be doing where I'm from a service. If
I allowed you to come out of the side of
your neck and say that with defending you guy through
fifty more interceptions and touchdowns in his career, he's a
Hall of Famer. You leave Willie Joe's name. I just
say there there's an argument to be respect that. I've
heard that story anywhere. Can I go back to the
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history of this robberty of late like Seattle's kind of
dominated them when you think about it. I know the
forty Niners wonderlier this season, but Seattle swept them last year,
they swept from the year before that in COVID they
split the two yearsen and then basically I know this
pre dates some of the you know current coaches, et cetera.
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But for four years Seattle swept them. They're going to
play them hard. And I mean, that's that's a pretty
nice matchup. That's a that's an inner divisional nice matchup.
Like they match up well. It's like it's like how
we've been talking about the whole Kansas City Bengals thing, right,
like they just match up against each other one or
so I kind of flick. The NFC West is like
that as a whole, Like all those teams played each
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other really really closely, regarreless of what the records are, Like,
the Niners owned the Rams, but I think the Rams
have been pretty dominant against the Seahawks. I'm not mistaken.
But then this Seahawks being dominant, as I just pointed
out versus s it's sexual. And then Arizona just likes
to just we're here, Arizona, Hello, Arizona. No, Arizona, not
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so much. Did you see this story from the Football
In with Ben Roethlisberger podcast where he said that he's
thought about coming out of retirement and playing for the
forty Niners and he's just going through that transition. Man's
every retired quarterback has thought about that. Every retire player
has thought about that. I mean there was probably like
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two or three times total in my entire retired life
where I was sitting there, and it was always during
the playoffs. It's never been regular season. This is during
the playoffs. I'd be sitting there. I'd be like, oh,
I got one more I got one more series in me,
I got I got one more serious in me. You know,
I might even stand up getting my stance read it,
like pointing it out, like here we go, why why? Why?
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Why's off? Why is off? Why's off? You know? Yeah,
there we go. I missed the old Like just hear
defensive players like yell out things and make a big
deal about it. He's like offensively, like you didn't have
to do too much, and the defense is like, what's off?
He stepped off the boards like dud. God. I rolled.
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Like they're like yelling at each other like, hey man,
what why y'all yelling loud combo combo combo, bad Joe,
bat Joe, like every single time Broach saying, hey, go
to make sure we got these ships of motions here
because it really messed up the defense. I'm like, they're right,
like these guys on the other side. They start freaking
out when you start moving guys around like well to
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simple across the formation motion for us where he needs
to be. The truth of the matter is, we know
all the attention is on y'all, so we gotta be
loud and try to garner some attention. So when we're on,
you know, when we're on. Yeah, that's that's all. That's really.
Do you really mimic playing a banjo while you're calling
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out banjo? Yes? You thought? Have you ever? Have you
ever looked at the signals joonas for what? Like? For
Tampa two, the defense will normally take their arms and
make a t your head tip, we were head tappers.
You think that to give? It doesn't matter Tampa two.
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It will be third and long and they'll put their
hand in front of the face, the big screet screat. Yeah,
do that that screen right there? Alert draw screen every tap,
third third long, alert draw screen, draw screen, roles screen,
What told you? Draw screen? What I get? Dirty yards?
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There's not even any thought to like, let's be more discreet.
Can we come up something? Football is not as scientific
as people think it is. It's like it is very
like regimented. Literally, if you're playing against a Andy Reid
team back in the day, there's certain teams. You know,
it's draw screen up third now playing a banjo banjo
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couldn't and that's that's your coverage responsibilities. Yet signal too complicated. Man,
come on, man, that was Tampa two too. That that
right there to fist on the sad. Darius smiles. The
two fists on the side of that was Tampa two too.
There's there's a few different like Q dog thing. Well,
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Q is the host. That's the hot when you take
the fists and and and and and touch them on
your sad and your head like their horns or something like.
That's that's two. That's Tampa two two. It's a check
to it's a check too. And the fallen two we
throw them on and and and there is a difference.
There is a distinct difference between a Guler cover two
in a in a Tampa two all the way. So, yeah,
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the Tampa two was made famous obviously by coach Kiffin.
And yeah, well I'll say I love it's had the
most success. Yeah, Kiffin was the architect of it. You know,
he ran it so well. I'll be honest with you,
it was the most unfun defense to go up against
because you're basically just throwing where the mike left, so
the middle linebacker would run to the middle of the
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field and it almost plays out like like post tie
safety zone. But as a quarterback, you dropped back like
we should be running the football. This is dumb checked
out into the running back because it's loose, that's all that's. Yeah,
it's loose, like you're not you're we're not letting you
get overtop. Well not let me not say us, but
a team like a Tampa where you have Simon Rice
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and and Warren Sapp and Booger McFarlane and then you
got cheeky out of Oka four on on one side
of the and then the linebacking corps is quarrels and
and and Derek Brooks was like he was a safety
and a linebacker's body that could play. Although he's like
one of the greatest ever. But when you have that
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type of awareness and that type of personnel where you
can get a rush with four guys, it's Tampa two
is like, it's great, yeah, because all you gotta do is,
you know, the ball has to come out so all
you gotta do is retreat to where your your your
space is, your landmark is, and read the quarterback retreat
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read the quarterback. Yeah, I kind of liked it. I
remember the day up against like a Rex Ryan defense
when he was in Baltimore, and you look at some
of the things he didn't the Jets, You're like, holy crap,
what do we do? It's awesome, Like you gotta figure
it all out. You know, you got guys walking around.
They all be like an overload blitz. On the one side,
you have no clue what they were doing. I just
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always waited for the crosser Tampa two second down, passing down,
like passing down, okay, okay bird bird bird dropped. I
get my drop back to that look and just look like, okay,
two went away. It's two covers, one coming back in
on my side. Nope, he's gone. I just turned and
look at somebody coming across that they're coming across. You know,
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this is how much the game has changed. Even if
they didn't throw him the ball, if he came trotting through,
Rice packed him up all the way up. Yeah, you
get fined now. I'm talking. My best decleaners was not
even a play that was a tackle. It was it
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was somebody running through my zone and covered two and
I'm gonna come up and bone him. That's that's what
it was. That's definitely shut up, shut up. That's a
football term now. But yeah, yeah, it's not the one
shot of stuff. Yeah, Jon has kind of looked weird.
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We got a major update in the NFL. For those
of you that were wondering, how's Zack Wilson doing at practice?
Apparently he's doing really well because he is now second
string for the New York's all right, second back up.
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He's suiting up for this weekend's game against the Lions.
Speaking of Lions, he's suiting up for this weekend's game.
Now do you want to hear uh Robert Sala explain
the growth and development of Zach Wilson the last couple
of weeks at practice November and into December. Here was
the Jets head coach. He's been deliberate in his approach
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over the last three weeks. Um, he's been holding himself
accountable with regards to how he wants that attack practice,
how he's been performing in practice going against our defense,
which I think is a pretty good defensive goal against,
and uh and working on all the different things that
we've been asking him to accomplish. Did you see I'm
getting on the field again or does Mike cappain get
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hurt at Um? Yeah, I'm still I'm still in that
same mindset I guess with with reguards to Zach, he's uh,
he's a very talented you man, very talented you man,
and uh, Um, We're in the business of developing guys.
And so obviously I've said it before, this is Mike
White's opportunity, and he's attacking the heck out of the
opportunity and he's doing a great job with it. But
at the same time, we've still got to make sure
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that we're doing everything we can to develop Zach and
the way we know to a spot where we know
he's capable of getting to. All Right, So I gotta
ask you as a question, what happened in practice that
led to Zach Wilson climbing up the depth chart in
New York and now being the backup to Mike White
after being inactive the last three years. You see the
way Joe Flacco plate when he came man, he's kind
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of a tough spot that he was put in Buffalo
was teeing off on them, and kind of interesting that
he would use attack as as the word to explain
what Mike White was doing with his opportunity, because that's
exactly what happened to him in that game. He got attacked. Yeah,
he looked like a fish shrounded by sharks. I mean
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when he was now, he was in a fetal position,
like like it's very few times a guy gets hard,
hit hard enough where they hit the ground and they
go straight. You know, when you're in your most painful state,
you know what what position you go into? Fetal position?
Fetal Yeah, and he was in it. So I hate
hearing that clip. I hate the whole thing. I've told
you guys since week one, or since that week one,
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whenever this started, that you needed to play the kid.
He's he's not gonna grow up. He's not gonna mature
through practice. There's nothing he's done during practice that has
changed anything, alright, Like bottom line, I just this whole
thing is so tough to listen to because you feel
like he's just coddling him. He's just coddling him to
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try to be the guy they're hoping he Come on, dude,
like your whole locker room loves your starter, and you
gotta keep answering questions because you moved in the number
two spot. You know, by the way, you could have
had him be at number two the entire time where
he was quote unquote bench you could have still had
him be number two and still gotten better in practice
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and all that stuff. Like that's the thing that doesn't
make sense about it. What was the point just giving
him what a mental break? I mean, I've heard reports
of people behind the scenes said, oh, he's got the
mental yips, Oh the mental yips. What is that he's
having a hard time, you know, diagnosing coverage or defenses.
Is that is that what you're trying to say? We
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struggled as a rookie. And if you're saying he's struggling now,
like hey, maybe it's not the yips. Maybe he's just
you know, not gonna be ready for this when you
guys need him to be or maybe he's not the guy,
like they're so afraid to admit that. And I think
it's honestly, it has a lot to do with like
Joe Douglas being so afraid to admit that because he
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knows as good as he has built this roster, he's
still gonna be judged based on that selection, because now
the question will become if you're Woody Johnson, right, if
you're the owner of the Jets, Now the conversation becomes,
why would we entrust you with selecting the next quarterback
if the last one you selected didn't work out? Or
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maybe that process is gonna look a lot different this
time around. That's how those conversations go, right. There's not
too many general managers get get multiple bites at the
apple for who their quarterback is going to be. As
far as drafting, that's just the reality of it. So
you know, as good as he's done, and again, he's
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done a phenomenal job. I mean, they're to the point
where they're still winning football team thirteen games in the season.
They've had offensive line issues, they've lost, they've got young
guys stepping up. Sauce Gardner is playing as one of
the best quarterbacks in the league, the best in fact
in terms of performance. Right now, all um, you look
at DJ Read, you look at somebody other play like
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Carl Lawson. It is the addition that you didn't really
get a year ago because of his injury. Now now
the addition that he's he's been to this team. They're
a good football team. They've got they've got a formula
first success. So I don't get why they're just so
afraid to say, yeah, we we missed, we messed up.
And you know, I worked with Rick Spielman now and
obviously he was a long time general manage from Vikings.
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Great dude, and I you know heard him talking about,
you know, drafting Christian Ponder and the conversations you have
kind of along the way. And and the interesting thing is, sometimes,
like and I was talking with a former head coach
last night, sometimes you know pretty quick you just you've
got an idea of like, hey, there's a decision made.
You took this player. But maybe that guy didn't have
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all the information and it wasn't around him enough. He
was too close to it. And you step back and
once you get through training camp, once you get through that,
you know O T S, you know, mini camp, training camp.
You start to realize like, oh, we're we're stuck with
this for a couple of years till we can get
through it, unless all of a sudden something changes dramatically
like this is a tough spot happens all the time,
Like that's that's where I feel like they're at right now,
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and they don't want to admit it. Uh, I'll get
I'll get Washington credit for this. They will put a
quarterback in and take a quarterback out. I just look
at it like this, I get it. When you hire
an employee that is a top rated employee, you want
to get r O I on bringing that that top
rated employee into your into your fold. But if if
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you're if you're putting them out there to perform and
their performance isn't enough to par and and it's so
far off that you felt like you needed to not
only take them off the field, but de activating that employee. Okay,
maybe there are some instances where you could say that
would have a profound impact on on that that employee
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and what their capabilities are. Maybe they're able to take
a look in the mirror and take a step back
and say, I do need to approach this differently, like
I can. I can understand where Slot was coming from
and in regards to that, but let's just be real here.
This is football and you're in the meat of your
season and the season is on the line for you
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for all intensive purposes, and you went away from him
and one of the most turbulent moments of the season
instead of leaning into him and saying, you know what,
you handled this incorrectly, but like, let's do better. Let's
keep moving moving forward, but let's let's do better moving forward.
You know that Brian Flores yanking him out of the
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lineup in road games, he was trailing the same I'm
just saying, and for what it's worth, that can have
an impact on that player where the loss of belief
could be profound in terms of what the results are
that you get from that person. You want to talk about, yips,
have a coach that you you believe doesn't doesn't believe
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in you. That that is directly connected to what your
situation is on that team. That's that's that's bad. That's bad.
And he showed the whole entire football world or whoever
is paying attention. I don't trust you. That's all that
comes down to. We all know the one thing about
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football that that I can tell you for certain, the
relationship between a player and a coach quo will you
ever touch the field? If that one element is missing
as a player, between a player and a coach, if
that coach doesn't trust you, where you gonna be. You
gonna be on that bench, bottom line. And he he
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just told everybody and in the in the heat of
the moment and in the heart of the season, I
don't trust you. So it's kind of hard to come
back from that outside of having to deal with the
growing pains of him growing as a head coach and
him growing as as a quarterback in the league as
a high draft pick, and what are the results going
to be? Because ultimately, that's really all you have right
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now is to be able to prove it through showing it.
And that might be next season, that might not even
be in this season, that might be next season. But
until then, you got to know that you're gonna you're
gonna endure intense scrutiny over what the scenario and what
the situation is. By the way, do you have confirmation
whether or not. Mike White's ribs were broken during that game.
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I know there's some speculation during the game. I was
just I don't know speculation. I mean I I heard
directly from one of the analysts that it was they
were broken. That's what I was going with. Well with
that yesterday, the day before the crazy recovery for him,
I mean, did come back and and still you know,
be in line to start this game. I mean with
broken ribs, I mean, geez, shoot them up, baby, the
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juice from the gods. Yeah. But like when I when
I did mind, like, I just they usually did a
local anesthetics, so it was just novacam like just like
you would in your teeth or that area. They're just
shoot you up in a couple of spots and you
feel good and then they go on toward all you. Well,
the problem was after that then it was like, well,
here's the dangerous part is if you break them worse,
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you probably or crack the worse or tear something charlige
and a worse still gone, Well, you're probably not really
gonna feel it. That's much. That's the issue. I don't know.
I just know I've had I've had to get my
toe localized, and then they gave me to toward all
and then I looked at everybody like rock, let's do this.
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You ready, let's do Are you ready? I'm ready four
hours later like hell, don't touch me, don't like and
I'm talking pain to the like like a sheet, a
light bit sheet touches your that that pain spot. You'd
be like, man, just take just just ended here because
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we're good. Here the big toe. It was my big
toe on the left side, the pinky one. I feel
like they could have took it the way it felt
after that toward all war off and that local. You know,
I pushed my my toe now all the way up
into my nail bid and I played with that and
then they had to remove my entire toe now and
that is a traumatic experience. This good morning, everybody. They
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had to localize that the big toe, right, they took
some plyers, literally took some pliers, put it under my toe,
nail broke the toe now, and then like took the
broken pieces and pulled it out. I was told nail
lists and when that local wore off, that too was
a very painful moment in my life as well. Yeah
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there you go. So it isn't all glitz and glamour
being a football player. I'll tell you that being an
athlete isn't always always pretty. You know that. There are
the moments like an ingrown toe. Now I've never had one,
but I've seen one, and that is crazy. Crazy. It's
not that bad. Pop it out, no, not in there,
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dig it out. Seen and grown toe nails where it
was like impaling their toes. Well, listen, then you need
to learn how to cut your toe nails. Better, cut
them straight across, don't don't dig two so far into
the side and then go from there. That's wow, bro. Yeah,
But pushing your toenail into your toe bit it's pretty
wild too, because it was like like the nail bit
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was like all this it was just building up, like
it's just all this build up and you're seeing it
like swell up in your toe bit. And when they
did that, all this stuff came out of it. It
was crazy, man, to see it. It's crazy. I don't
know what was crazier, the pliers or the amount of
stuff that was coming out when they removed the toenail
from the toe bit. He showed us a video of
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that from the bus stop, like of the injury. So
I remember that all that fluid coming up out of
the area. Yeah, very good. Be sure to catch live
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an Albert Brier day, Al, what's happening? How we feeling?
I'm good, I'm good. Comment about two thirty last night.
My plane was delayed because they didn't have life fests
on board, so they had to take care of that
even though we were flying. We were flying from Dallas
to Boston, so I don't know where we would have
needed them. Well, there's somewhere on the way. Can I
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ask you this? Where did they go at what point? Like?
What plane? I don't lift it still works, no idea.
All I know is they made the announcement and then
they came in with a stack of them, like an
hour and a half later. We were sitting on the
plane the whole time, and then we wait another forty
five minutes for paperwork, which apparently they couldn't do while
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they were getting the life fest. So one big at
a time, I guess. Let me let me take a
stab at this. The airline was American. That's right, that's right.
Hold on, hold on before you bad mouth American all
right on National radio. United is still worse than America.
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You know what I would concur Okay, I meant Americans,
But remember some of those American planes are just us
airplanes with a paint job now and those who those
people who are old enough to have been around when
US Air was there, that was like that. That was
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like the sixty six Green Bay packers of that area
would have broken toe yea delta Delta Albert can. I
gotta ask you this, Odell Beckham Junior stuff. When's this
going to be over? Didn't that Jerry Jones is stirring
it up again? When is this going to be over? Man?
What's this plan here? I mean, I hope soon. It's
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really kind of up to him, um and what he
wants to do. And you know, I know there were
some people turned off by um. You know, his whole stance.
The regular season doesn't matter because you know, these teams
have locker rooms full of guys who are fighting through
all kinds of differences right now just to get their
teams in the playoffs. You know. So um, yeah, you know,
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I like his knee has been an issue. There's no
question the first surgery wasn't successful. Um. And you know,
I think I've said this to you guys over the
last few weeks. Nor End signed him. They thought it
was a ticking time on. They hope that you give
him the finish line. They almost made it the knee
blew up in the Super Bowl, So um, you know,
I think everybody can understand if he wants to be
cautious with it, but then to go through with the
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tour and say some of the things he's saying, I
know that's turned some people off. So UM, you know,
I I just I think the interesting part is gonna
be whether or not Dallas or somebody else brings him
in on his terms and um does what he wants,
which it sounds like he wants another year tacked onto
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the deal. Um, some guaranteed money in there, and only
playing the playoffs. We'll see if the batch off of that,
because that seems like, you know, a pretty heavy demand
for a guy who you know, hasn't played much football
over the last couple of years well and has all
the medical issues he's got. I mean, t Y Hilton
gets signed, Cole Beasley gets signed, and that says everything, Brady,
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that says everything, doesn't it. I mean even as the
Chiefs the Chiefs one Dr Darius Tony while they were
still in this you know, I I think what it
tells you is these teams look at O'Dell and it's like, oh,
we love him as a player when he's healthy, but
we have no idea if he's gonna be able to
get back there by the end of the year. So
if we're even gonna if we want to bring in
a receiver as an insurance policy, and this isn't the
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guy to do it with, because what you get from
him may just be a bonus to whatever you're getting
from everybody else. I want to switch gears, thankfully and
get off this subject to go to the Cardinals only
because with the injury now to Kyler Murray, Uh, their season,
which probably had any you know, small shot of them
making the playoffs before the injury, now is no shot.
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And their general manager Steve Kim has checked himself in
to get some additional help for some things that he's
been battling for a while. Now, where's this team at?
I mean, are you expecting some big changes this offseasons?
Michael Bidwell gonna be patient with this whole process. Everything
I've heard, Brady is that the organization's mass right now,
and um, you know I I I have a hard
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time seeing what there were They're gonna find real direction
here without making major changes and Cliffs got five years
loft time his contract. Does he even want to be
there anymore? After you know, the things that he's had
to deal with obviously, I mean you allude to it.
The Steve time thing isn't new for the people and
new people inside the organization, so that's there, and um,
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you know, I I sort of wonder if you look
at the history of the owner, right, like when you
look back and say, okay, what has he done in
the past and situations where things have gotten the wrong way?
He's almost never cleaned house, like when they fired Rod
Graves and Ken wasn't hunt, they elevated Steve Khan and
then they hire Bruce Arians. Then they've had time in
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place for the last couple of coaches, so they've never
really blown the whole thing up. So you know, I
wonder if maybe the move here for them is to
put like an Adrian Wilson in charge. To Adrian Wilson,
you know, obviously it was a great player for the
organization as well, thought of as a leader works in
the personnel department, and those are all the bodies are buried,
you know, like knows everything about the organization and so
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like to me, I you know, I think there's no
way I end up past the point of making cosmetic
changes and thinking that there's going to be some sort
of magic electure that they're gonna find that's gonna fix
everything that's gone wrong in the building. Um. So I've
said this you guys over the last I think month
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or so, that like Michael Bidwell's history isn't to eat
people's contracts and right checks and you know, like just
keep turning the organization over completely. But I think what's
going on there right now, Um, you know, certainly Monday night,
the Kime thing, the Kyler thing, even Kyler before the injury,
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I think it certainly begs for major, major change change.
Let's let's switch to to Baltimore. Um, what's what's the
latest with what's going on with Lamar? Like, what are
what are the feelings in in Baltimore right now? Ab Well?
(38:27):
I think Tyler how it's gonna start on Saturday night,
and I think they're, um, Saturday afternoon, I think they're
they're feeling right now is let's just get into the tournament.
And if we can get into the tournament and we
can get we can get Lamar healthy. We've got a shot. Um.
Now beyond that, like you know, I obviously there's the
(38:47):
bigger box question of what do you do about Lamar?
And it's contract. Certainly I think that they're going to
franchise him, and you know, I the Ravens have been
fairly steadfast and and saying we're not giving him a
fully guaranteed contract. And if you guys remember a few
months ago, it's really boiled down to a staring contest
(39:08):
between player and team. The team was willing to pay him,
but they wanted to give him a conventional quarterback contract,
and he wanted a sort of groundbreaking deal at Deshaun
Watson got in Cleveland and so um. Will the injury
changed Lamar's outlook on all of this, I don't know.
Will the with the Ravens consider trading him if someone
(39:29):
comes along with a godfather offer and is willing to
do what Cleveland did and attaching to that godfather offer
a fully guaranteed contract, I mean, if Lamar gets wind
of something like that, he doesn't have the exclusive tag
on him. You know, I guess anything is possible. But
I still think the goal for everybody but now there
is to have a healthy Lamar Jackson in the playoffs
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and then work out a long term extension after the year. Uh.
You know, I think we've seen over the last six
or seven months how complicated that can get Albert Brier
joining us here on Fox Sports. Rade. You can get
him on Twitter at Albert Brier, Senior NFL reporter at
the MMQB Albert, come this time next year, where Sean Payton? Um,
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I mean, I think you'd like to be on the
West Coast. I know a lot of people speculated on
the Chargers. Um. Yeah, I think Brandon stokely has got
a lot on the line over the last four weeks
of the year. UM. And I think a big piece
of that is trying to maximize what they have in
Justin Herbert. Um. They have him under a rookie contracts still,
but either this offseason or next offseason, they're gonna have
(40:36):
to pay him. And once you pay a guy, the
dynamic changes a little bit. UM. And so you know,
I I think part of the deal with Sean Payton
shorts highs to what's gonna happen with the Chargers in
Los Angeles and whether or not Brandon stoke we can
do enough to convince the Spanos is not to engage
with Peyton. You know, outside of the Chargers at the
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bron Goes we're to make a change, I think they'd
probably make a run of him. I don't know if
you want to work with Russell Wilson. Obviously the same
thing has been putting out there for a couple of weeks.
What do you consider that? UM? I really think with
Sean the two things are gonna be geography and quarterback.
And I know he likes living in Los Angeles. He's
living there now, UM, and the idea of being the
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West Coast appeal to him. And you know, obviously that
makes the Charger is the easiest destination when you're when
you're looking at potential suitors. I would not rule out
the idea that he could sid another year because I
do think he's enjoying what he's doing right now, and
unless the situation is perfect for him, I could see
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now I think he's gonna coach again. I don't think
he's done for good, but you know, unless there's a
perfect situation out there, I could see him continuing to
live a pretty comfortable life for another year. Albert, I
want to ask about the Colt situation there and just
Jeff Saturday. I mean, obviously after that first win, it
nothing's really been uphill since. Do you get the the
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idea that maybe there's a chance that Jim rcay is
going to open this thing up to a wider coaching search.
I mean, that's at least how I felt when I
heard the news of them poking around Jim Harbaugh when
he was in town for the Big Ten Championship game.
Or do you feel like it's Jeff Saturday's job if
he wants it? Yeah, you know, Brady, I think this
is going to become about whether or not he canna
sell it to his fan base. Um, you know, I
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think he wants to do it. You know, I think
I think he wants to do it, and he wants
to build a strong staff around Jeff Saturday. He wants
to get the quarterback position finally settled one way or
the other, which was I think kind of hanging over
everything with Frank Reich um at the end, and it's
been hanging over some of the decision making they've made
over the last few months. Um, you know, I think
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if they collapse down the stretch, it becomes harder and
Remember they do have to open this up, you know,
because of the Rooney rule, they have to run like
a full and thorough process, or at least give the
appearance of it. So, you know, I think if it's
not Saturday, then then I think for her say, it's
about not being able to sell Jeff Saturday to that
fan base. And that's where I think the idea of
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Jim Harbaugh comes in, because he's somebody you can sell
the fan base, because his name is up in the
Ring of Honor, and because you know, he obviously has
a lot of cache in that organization. And you know,
weird as the end was for Jim Harbaugh and San
Francisco get a hell of a record there. He's forty
four and nineteen. There are very few coaches who have
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the winning percentage that he had as an NFL head coach.
So I think this is one of those where like
Mercy really likes the idea of being the guy who
found Jeff Saturday and the guy who did something a
little bit different, the guy who innovated UM. But you know,
this is gonna be about whether or not he can
continue to sell Jeff Saturday UM to his fan base,
(43:52):
to his locker room to the people in his organization,
and I think the next four weeks and then to
determine whether or not he can go forward with that.
A My last question for you, and you're speaking on Er.
Say it came out, the report came out that he's
not ready to say ousting Dan Snyder as the owner
of the team. What what are the latest developments with
(44:15):
with all of that, because it seems like it gets quiet,
then it flares back up, and then it gets quiet
again and then it flares back up. Sounds like a
pattern forming here. What what what's the latest on it? Yeah,
I mean they're all sort of under tag order, is
what it is. You know, the commissioner told them to
her say um after her say um severod he said
(44:37):
in October at that meeting in New York. Um, you
know Goodell basically like said to the owners, trust us.
We're gonna make sure we get to the right result here.
Trust Mary Joe White's investigation, and trust that like one
way or the other, we're going to find the right
way to get closure on this entire thing. And I
(45:00):
think the other owners trust Goodell. They still don't trust Snyder,
and so Bank of America has started the process of um,
you know, sending uh sending stuff out to potential bidders,
confidential information on the organization. And the one thing that
I sort of came across LaVar um when I was
(45:21):
in Dallas with the owners meeting this week. There are
some people who still think that um, that that Snyder's
gonna play lucy and pull the football away from from
everybody at the very end and keep the team and
and and stet a instet a price that's like way
too high, that nobody's gonna match. And that magic number.
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You hear the number a lot of seven billion sounds,
which sounds like an interesting number, and maybe they can
get there. Here's the problem if you're a bidder, right,
that's one of the lowest revenue organizations in the league.
So if you buy the team, you've got to fix that, right,
And then you've probably got to invest another couple of
billion in building a stadium. So while the franchise might
(46:08):
eventually be worth that, and that might eventually look like
a good price, it's gonna take billions and billions of
dollars of investments on top of the price you pay
for the team to get the organization, right, And so
Snyder says seven billion or bust. And you know that
Ishpia is the Josh Harris is, maybe the Jeff Bezos is,
(46:29):
although I think some people think that Bezos is sort
of just a stocking horse here. Um might look at
that and say, yeah, the organization may be worth that
in the end, but I can't pay that if I'm
gonna have to invest way more into it to fix
that the mess you created. So I'm out. Um, It's
gonna be really interesting to see what happens, because I
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think after we get past the first of the year,
the thing starts to heat up, and then you know,
we figure out what the asking price is, and you know,
maybe then we see how motive it or to sell
her Snyder really is. Oh my god, I get him
on Twitter at our career senior NFL reporter at the
mm QB. Obviously, we've got a couple of weeks left
till the big game, Albert, so I'm not even gonna
try and you know, throw a random number at you,
(47:12):
like whether or not Ohio State and Georgia are going
to score more than sixty two and a half points.
I'm not gonna do that. To you here. I would
never do that. It doesn't make any sense whatsoever. We'll
just try to keep it competitive, how about that? Yeah, listen,
just do what you can. Do you have any faith?
Come on, Albert, Come on, Albert. I'm just I mean, Brady,
I feel like you gotta take kind of a little profile, now,
you know what I mean? Wow? Hey, the goal is
(47:36):
to get to the playoff, you know, I mean, you're there.
Hold on. You don't want to try to have a
rematch versus Michigan. Oh I do? No, No, no, I do,
I do, I do. I'm just kinda keep a little
profile dot you know. I mean, wouldn't you totally redeem
yourself if you did? Yeah? No, no, no, no. I mean,
like you know, some people planning flags and thought they
wouldn't have to answer for it for a year, And
maybe you could plan a flag artificial tour field. It's
(48:02):
snuck up out of there. That venom snuck up out
of there. I heard it. I heard it. Be like,
I hope they rematch. That's your dead, Albert. We appreciate it.
We'll do it again next week. All right, thanks guys,
a very weekend. There is albur career senior Unifiur reporter
at the MMQB. Joining us here, Fox Sports Radio has
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Joe with Lamar Areas, Rady Quinn and Jonas Knocks on
four Radio. Let's get into some Thursday night football action.
How about it? Week fifteen is here and it starts
later tonight. We've got Niners at the Seahawks. San fran
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is a three point favorite, only three in mini books.
Yeah dropped, It's a three and a half in some books,
but but three point favorite in mini books. And now,
speaking of three, we could be looking at, uh the
third and now maybe fourth quarterback who could be starting
for the San Francisco forty Niners this year because brock
Party is dealing with an oblique issue and so there's
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the potential that what Josh Johnson might actually get up.
I mean, I mean, it's it's Kyle Shanahan's system. I
was trying to think back. I'm having a hard son
think of a quarterback you didn't excel in Kyle Shanahan's offense.
So Matt Show was a pro bowler in Houston, and
his offense were talked about with LaVar. I mean you mentioned,
(01:06):
like Rgie three was an offensive rookie of the Year
in that system. Brian Hoyer had his best year in Cleveland.
Cleveland was I think leading the a f C North
that year in the Kirk Cousins bought out in it.
You know, you now look at what he's done with
Jimmy g. Obviously he didn't you know, in starting play
a lot of time in New England, but he's been
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to now what a super Bowl, but Jimmy G and
deep into the playoffs. I mean, I just Nick Mullins
got traded for based on the small sample size of
games he started. C. J. Bethard's you know, did well
on it. By the way, you remember when Nick Mullins,
Like that was a real conversation that Nick Mullins was
very Cooper Rush esque is what it was. Yeah, Like
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I remember there was a preseason game against Denver and
Jimmy Garoppola through an early pick and Mullins came in
and I just remember hearing people say, man, Nick Mollins
is the guy. I mean, Nick Mollins is the guy.
I mean, I know you paid Jimmy money, but Nick
Bollins is the guy. So that's just all Kyle Shanahan
that just like he just made pretty much. Man, I
think he is so much more brilliant than anyone gives
(02:07):
him credit. And it started like when he was young,
you know, following his dad and and just drawing up
scout team cards, and he knows like what personnel and
what formations or shifts or motions get you into the
defensive front and he wants to run against or the
coverage he wants to throw against. Like he's that good.
I think the only thing that he ever has to
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figure out in his offense is how are you gonna
play George Kittle if I put him here? How are
you gonna play Christian McCaffrey if I put him out here?
What are you gonna do if I have both Christian
McCaffrey and what Deebo Samuel was playing when I have
them both in the backfield? How are you gonna play that?
Like That's the only thing I think early in games
he's trying to figure out. Once he figures that out,
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he just goes on from there and everything I was
just setting you up for whatever it is later on
the game, Like last week it was, you know, they
throw the hook, They throw the hook and then throw
the hook up, and then the two minute drive they
run a double move and I you kind of stuttered
the furnitial l Dean. It releases downfield pretty just you know,
a little pump fig throw it up, touchdown and like that.
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That's that's what he's doing to help pretty as a
rookie succeed. And it's not overly complicated. So again, I'm
one of his biggest fans because watching tape on that
guy is so much fun. Like it's it's it's like
watching your favorite movie to me, if you're if you
dig football. So, by the way, has Matt Ryan been
the same quarterback since Kyle Shanahan left Atlanta? He did
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win the m v P that year, unless he followed
that up with an m v P somewhere. But I'm
but I'm saying, but I'm you know what I'm saying, Like,
my god, what are you saying? Has he been since
since that season? Do you look at Matt Ryan is
one of the top quarterbacks in the NFL after Kyle
Shanahan left. No So, like I just there is something
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too wherever he goes. Whoever you to go ahead, just
saying what do you want to say? Bust my balls?
Just get it out of the way, go ahead. And
this morning I was just gonna say, but everyone's still
blaming if they're throwing on fourth and one or whatever
it was, so well, yeah, I mean it's his fault exactly,
like everyone's still blameing and Kyle Shanahan and that offense
apparently being up three, like a defense can't get take
(04:16):
any blame in that one. Yeah. I felt that way
about Garoppolo. Niners. Everybody wants to blame Garoppolo for that loss.
It was their defense in the Super Bowl defense, I
mean a defensive guy, so what he gave him the
two possession to possession lead. Like if you if you
think back to how well their defense was playing all
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year long, what would people attribute the success of that season? Two?
The way their defense played, their defense were was lights out.
So you think that you go into a second half
of a game, you're in the fourth quarter and it
was still a two possession game. You're in the fourth
quarter with a two possession game, and what was it
third and eighteen to Tyreek Hill, and everybody everybody gets
upset because okay, they come back, they take lead, and
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Garoppolo misses a throw like okay, he overthrew man, I
guess one throw? Well, what about the two possessions? How
many players they take for them to to overtake the
lead of a two possession game in the fourth quarter
of the Super Bowl. I'll tell you right now, if
I was on that defense, I still have my head
(05:21):
hung low, hung real low, because you let a great,
great opportunity to get away. Anyway. Here, here's what I
would say about tonight, this is we're talking about. I
think this is an interesting matchup because as poorly as
as uh the CFCA Hawks have been playing lately, there's
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still above five team and they still have the capabilities
of of beating a San Francisco team. So I think
this is a very very intriguing game. I think it's
a really dope game to have on a Thursday night
on Amazon Prime. Make sure you get it on Prime.
UM check the game out on UM. Yeah, you know,
(06:02):
it's one of those games where I'd say you will
most likely be more entertained than let down by this game.
I think they're gonna play each other hard. This this
this forty Niners team is really really on a a
like a very very nice rise, like they're they're they're
on some Cincinnati Bengals type type rise. And how they're playing,
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like their their play has has gone up tremendously, Like
they look really good since they've gotten healthy. Now they've
gotten a little banged up again. But I think ever
since they've added McCaffrey and adding that wrinkle to their offense,
I think that this team has just been pretty pretty,
pretty devastating on offense. You guys surprise their favorite in
this spot. They're, like you mentioned, they're banged up. Kenneth
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Walker's coming back for Seattle. I don't know Seattle sputtered
a little bit lately, but it's a short week. You're
on the road, and you could be playing your fourth
quarterback of the Season's favor about More, to be honest, Really,
the way they're playing right now me, I'm surprised they're
not favor about More. I really like the Niners right now. Yeah.
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So I look at Seattle. They've lost three of their
last four, and I thought Gineou hasn't been playing very well.
I thought the pressure starting to kind of mount, He's
pressing a bit. It's a bad matchup. So when you
think about, like Seattle doesn't have the best offensive protection,
that they were better earlier than the year, I think
now they've started to slip up some and that's gonna
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be a mismatch to me with both boats on that
defensive front. Even if they get Keneth Walker back, he's
still give me a little banged up. DJ Dallas also
has been practicing, or at least he didn't Tuesday. Um,
so we'll see if he has a depth of the backfield.
I just look and I say, like the Seattle has
a hard time stopping the run, San Francisco is one
of the best teams running the football. If Pete Carroll's
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defense can put this all on Brock Purty and forced
him to throw plus you know passes, I think you
get a turnover. I think you get a pick, and
I think maybe that keeps you in the game. Like,
that's what it's gonna come down to. If they could
put this on Purtty's shoulder and really stress him to
showcase whether or not he can be a guy, that's
what would dictate this because that that hasn't been the
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case since Pretty's taken over. You know, he hasn't been
asked to do that yet. These teams have played some
great matchups, man like back in the day. That front,
if that front keeps playing the way that they're playing,
and they can create that that type of running space
for McCaffrey and allow cow shanahan to get into a
rhythm um of balance between the movement of of Kittle
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and and you know, now, I guess I you can,
and you know, McCaffrey, I think that that's it's still
gonna be. It's gonna be difficult for them to force
Pretty to have to be the one who wins the game.
I don't I don't see Seattle being the team that
forces him to have to do anything outside of what
cow shanahan wants him to do. I kind of want
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to see Josh Johnson play. I'll be honest with you,
when it's the last time a coach has one a
game with three different starting cornerbacks in the season, Well,
like when's it when? Like, when's the last time that happened?
If that were to happen, though, then you can't keep
building the narrative that that he's the next Joe Namath.
Of course, they said they didn't want to say Joe
Montana put that pressure on him, so they said Joe Namath.
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I thought that was one of the funniest things I've
heard on a Color commentary. By the way, well, because
Joe mont I'm going to say Joe Namath, not Joe Montana.
Joe Montana is a much better quarterback than Joe. I mean,
he had a better career, but still, why would you
even go there? Some would argue Joe NamUs shouldn't be
in the Hall of Fame. Some would argue that Joe
Namath is from Beaver Falls, Pennsylvania. I would not. I
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would not be doing where I'm from a service. If
I allowed you to come out of the side of
your neck and say that with defending you guy through
fifty more interceptions and touchdowns in his career, he's a
Hall of Famer. You leave Willie Joe's name. I just
say there there's an argument to be respect that. I've
heard that story anywhere. Can I go back to the
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history of this robberty of late like Seattle's kind of
dominated them when you think about it. I know the
forty Niners wonderlier this season, but Seattle swept them last year,
they swept from the year before that in COVID they
split the two yearsen and then basically I know this
pre dates some of the you know current coaches, et cetera.
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But for four years Seattle swept them. They're going to
play them hard. And I mean, that's that's a pretty
nice matchup. That's a that's an inner divisional nice matchup.
Like they match up well. It's like it's like how
we've been talking about the whole Kansas City Bengals thing, right,
like they just match up against each other one or
so I kind of flick. The NFC West is like
that as a whole, Like all those teams played each
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other really really closely, regarreless of what the records are, Like,
the Niners owned the Rams, but I think the Rams
have been pretty dominant against the Seahawks. I'm not mistaken.
But then this Seahawks being dominant, as I just pointed
out versus s it's sexual. And then Arizona just likes
to just we're here, Arizona, Hello, Arizona. No, Arizona, not
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so much. Did you see this story from the Football
In with Ben Roethlisberger podcast where he said that he's
thought about coming out of retirement and playing for the
forty Niners and he's just going through that transition. Man's
every retired quarterback has thought about that. Every retire player
has thought about that. I mean there was probably like
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two or three times total in my entire retired life
where I was sitting there, and it was always during
the playoffs. It's never been regular season. This is during
the playoffs. I'd be sitting there. I'd be like, oh,
I got one more I got one more series in me,
I got I got one more serious in me. You know,
I might even stand up getting my stance read it,
like pointing it out, like here we go, why why? Why?
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Why's off? Why is off? Why's off? You know? Yeah,
there we go. I missed the old Like just hear
defensive players like yell out things and make a big
deal about it. He's like offensively, like you didn't have
to do too much, and the defense is like, what's off?
He stepped off the boards like dud. God. I rolled.
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Like they're like yelling at each other like, hey man,
what why y'all yelling loud combo combo combo, bad Joe,
bat Joe, like every single time Broach saying, hey, go
to make sure we got these ships of motions here
because it really messed up the defense. I'm like, they're right,
like these guys on the other side. They start freaking
out when you start moving guys around like well to
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simple across the formation motion for us where he needs
to be. The truth of the matter is, we know
all the attention is on y'all, so we gotta be
loud and try to garner some attention. So when we're on,
you know, when we're on. Yeah, that's that's all. That's really.
Do you really mimic playing a banjo while you're calling
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out banjo? Yes? You thought? Have you ever? Have you
ever looked at the signals joonas for what? Like? For
Tampa two, the defense will normally take their arms and
make a t your head tip, we were head tappers.
You think that to give? It doesn't matter Tampa two.
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It will be third and long and they'll put their
hand in front of the face, the big screet screat. Yeah,
do that that screen right there? Alert draw screen every tap,
third third long, alert draw screen, draw screen, roles screen,
What told you? Draw screen? What I get? Dirty yards?
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There's not even any thought to like, let's be more discreet.
Can we come up something? Football is not as scientific
as people think it is. It's like it is very
like regimented. Literally, if you're playing against a Andy Reid
team back in the day, there's certain teams. You know,
it's draw screen up third now playing a banjo banjo
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couldn't and that's that's your coverage responsibilities. Yet signal too complicated. Man,
come on, man, that was Tampa two too. That that
right there to fist on the sad. Darius smiles. The
two fists on the side of that was Tampa two too.
There's there's a few different like Q dog thing. Well,
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Q is the host. That's the hot when you take
the fists and and and and and touch them on
your sad and your head like their horns or something like.
That's that's two. That's Tampa two two. It's a check
to it's a check too. And the fallen two we
throw them on and and and there is a difference.
There is a distinct difference between a Guler cover two
in a in a Tampa two all the way. So, yeah,
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the Tampa two was made famous obviously by coach Kiffin.
And yeah, well I'll say I love it's had the
most success. Yeah, Kiffin was the architect of it. You know,
he ran it so well. I'll be honest with you,
it was the most unfun defense to go up against
because you're basically just throwing where the mike left, so
the middle linebacker would run to the middle of the
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field and it almost plays out like like post tie
safety zone. But as a quarterback, you dropped back like
we should be running the football. This is dumb checked
out into the running back because it's loose, that's all that's. Yeah,
it's loose, like you're not you're we're not letting you
get overtop. Well not let me not say us, but
a team like a Tampa where you have Simon Rice
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and and Warren Sapp and Booger McFarlane and then you
got cheeky out of Oka four on on one side
of the and then the linebacking corps is quarrels and
and and Derek Brooks was like he was a safety
and a linebacker's body that could play. Although he's like
one of the greatest ever. But when you have that
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type of awareness and that type of personnel where you
can get a rush with four guys, it's Tampa two
is like, it's great, yeah, because all you gotta do is,
you know, the ball has to come out so all
you gotta do is retreat to where your your your
space is, your landmark is, and read the quarterback retreat
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read the quarterback. Yeah, I kind of liked it. I
remember the day up against like a Rex Ryan defense
when he was in Baltimore, and you look at some
of the things he didn't the Jets, You're like, holy crap,
what do we do? It's awesome, Like you gotta figure
it all out. You know, you got guys walking around.
They all be like an overload blitz. On the one side,
you have no clue what they were doing. I just
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always waited for the crosser Tampa two second down, passing down,
like passing down, okay, okay bird bird bird dropped. I
get my drop back to that look and just look like, okay,
two went away. It's two covers, one coming back in
on my side. Nope, he's gone. I just turned and
look at somebody coming across that they're coming across. You know,
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this is how much the game has changed. Even if
they didn't throw him the ball, if he came trotting through,
Rice packed him up all the way up. Yeah, you
get fined now. I'm talking. My best decleaners was not
even a play that was a tackle. It was it
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was somebody running through my zone and covered two and
I'm gonna come up and bone him. That's that's what
it was. That's definitely shut up, shut up. That's a
football term now. But yeah, yeah, it's not the one
shot of stuff. Yeah, Jon has kind of looked weird.
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We got a major update in the NFL. For those
of you that were wondering, how's Zack Wilson doing at practice?
Apparently he's doing really well because he is now second
string for the New York's all right, second back up.
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He's suiting up for this weekend's game against the Lions.
Speaking of Lions, he's suiting up for this weekend's game.
Now do you want to hear uh Robert Sala explain
the growth and development of Zach Wilson the last couple
of weeks at practice November and into December. Here was
the Jets head coach. He's been deliberate in his approach
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over the last three weeks. Um, he's been holding himself
accountable with regards to how he wants that attack practice,
how he's been performing in practice going against our defense,
which I think is a pretty good defensive goal against,
and uh and working on all the different things that
we've been asking him to accomplish. Did you see I'm
getting on the field again or does Mike cappain get
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hurt at Um? Yeah, I'm still I'm still in that
same mindset I guess with with reguards to Zach, he's uh,
he's a very talented you man, very talented you man,
and uh, Um, We're in the business of developing guys.
And so obviously I've said it before, this is Mike
White's opportunity, and he's attacking the heck out of the
opportunity and he's doing a great job with it. But
at the same time, we've still got to make sure
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that we're doing everything we can to develop Zach and
the way we know to a spot where we know
he's capable of getting to. All Right, So I gotta
ask you as a question, what happened in practice that
led to Zach Wilson climbing up the depth chart in
New York and now being the backup to Mike White
after being inactive the last three years. You see the
way Joe Flacco plate when he came man, he's kind
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of a tough spot that he was put in Buffalo
was teeing off on them, and kind of interesting that
he would use attack as as the word to explain
what Mike White was doing with his opportunity, because that's
exactly what happened to him in that game. He got attacked. Yeah,
he looked like a fish shrounded by sharks. I mean
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when he was now, he was in a fetal position,
like like it's very few times a guy gets hard,
hit hard enough where they hit the ground and they
go straight. You know, when you're in your most painful state,
you know what what position you go into? Fetal position?
Fetal Yeah, and he was in it. So I hate
hearing that clip. I hate the whole thing. I've told
you guys since week one, or since that week one,
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whenever this started, that you needed to play the kid.
He's he's not gonna grow up. He's not gonna mature
through practice. There's nothing he's done during practice that has
changed anything, alright, Like bottom line, I just this whole
thing is so tough to listen to because you feel
like he's just coddling him. He's just coddling him to
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try to be the guy they're hoping he Come on, dude,
like your whole locker room loves your starter, and you
gotta keep answering questions because you moved in the number
two spot. You know, by the way, you could have
had him be at number two the entire time where
he was quote unquote bench you could have still had
him be number two and still gotten better in practice
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and all that stuff. Like that's the thing that doesn't
make sense about it. What was the point just giving
him what a mental break? I mean, I've heard reports
of people behind the scenes said, oh, he's got the
mental yips, Oh the mental yips. What is that he's
having a hard time, you know, diagnosing coverage or defenses.
Is that is that what you're trying to say? We
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struggled as a rookie. And if you're saying he's struggling now,
like hey, maybe it's not the yips. Maybe he's just
you know, not gonna be ready for this when you
guys need him to be or maybe he's not the guy,
like they're so afraid to admit that. And I think
it's honestly, it has a lot to do with like
Joe Douglas being so afraid to admit that because he
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knows as good as he has built this roster, he's
still gonna be judged based on that selection, because now
the question will become if you're Woody Johnson, right, if
you're the owner of the Jets, Now the conversation becomes,
why would we entrust you with selecting the next quarterback
if the last one you selected didn't work out? Or
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maybe that process is gonna look a lot different this
time around. That's how those conversations go, right. There's not
too many general managers get get multiple bites at the
apple for who their quarterback is going to be. As
far as drafting, that's just the reality of it. So
you know, as good as he's done, and again, he's
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done a phenomenal job. I mean, they're to the point
where they're still winning football team thirteen games in the season.
They've had offensive line issues, they've lost, they've got young
guys stepping up. Sauce Gardner is playing as one of
the best quarterbacks in the league, the best in fact
in terms of performance. Right now, all um, you look
at DJ Read, you look at somebody other play like
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Carl Lawson. It is the addition that you didn't really
get a year ago because of his injury. Now now
the addition that he's he's been to this team. They're
a good football team. They've got they've got a formula
first success. So I don't get why they're just so
afraid to say, yeah, we we missed, we messed up.
And you know, I worked with Rick Spielman now and
obviously he was a long time general manage from Vikings.
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Great dude, and I you know heard him talking about,
you know, drafting Christian Ponder and the conversations you have
kind of along the way. And and the interesting thing is, sometimes,
like and I was talking with a former head coach
last night, sometimes you know pretty quick you just you've
got an idea of like, hey, there's a decision made.
You took this player. But maybe that guy didn't have
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all the information and it wasn't around him enough. He
was too close to it. And you step back and
once you get through training camp, once you get through that,
you know O T S, you know, mini camp, training camp.
You start to realize like, oh, we're we're stuck with
this for a couple of years till we can get
through it, unless all of a sudden something changes dramatically
like this is a tough spot happens all the time,
Like that's that's where I feel like they're at right now,
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and they don't want to admit it. Uh, I'll get
I'll get Washington credit for this. They will put a
quarterback in and take a quarterback out. I just look
at it like this, I get it. When you hire
an employee that is a top rated employee, you want
to get r O I on bringing that that top
rated employee into your into your fold. But if if
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you're if you're putting them out there to perform and
their performance isn't enough to par and and it's so
far off that you felt like you needed to not
only take them off the field, but de activating that employee. Okay,
maybe there are some instances where you could say that
would have a profound impact on on that that employee
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and what their capabilities are. Maybe they're able to take
a look in the mirror and take a step back
and say, I do need to approach this differently, like
I can. I can understand where Slot was coming from
and in regards to that, but let's just be real here.
This is football and you're in the meat of your
season and the season is on the line for you
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for all intensive purposes, and you went away from him
and one of the most turbulent moments of the season
instead of leaning into him and saying, you know what,
you handled this incorrectly, but like, let's do better. Let's
keep moving moving forward, but let's let's do better moving forward.
You know that Brian Flores yanking him out of the
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lineup in road games, he was trailing the same I'm
just saying, and for what it's worth, that can have
an impact on that player where the loss of belief
could be profound in terms of what the results are
that you get from that person. You want to talk about, yips,
have a coach that you you believe doesn't doesn't believe
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in you. That that is directly connected to what your
situation is on that team. That's that's that's bad. That's bad.
And he showed the whole entire football world or whoever
is paying attention. I don't trust you. That's all that
comes down to. We all know the one thing about
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football that that I can tell you for certain, the
relationship between a player and a coach quo will you
ever touch the field? If that one element is missing
as a player, between a player and a coach, if
that coach doesn't trust you, where you gonna be. You
gonna be on that bench, bottom line. And he he
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just told everybody and in the in the heat of
the moment and in the heart of the season, I
don't trust you. So it's kind of hard to come
back from that outside of having to deal with the
growing pains of him growing as a head coach and
him growing as as a quarterback in the league as
a high draft pick, and what are the results going
to be? Because ultimately, that's really all you have right
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now is to be able to prove it through showing it.
And that might be next season, that might not even
be in this season, that might be next season. But
until then, you got to know that you're gonna you're
gonna endure intense scrutiny over what the scenario and what
the situation is. By the way, do you have confirmation
whether or not. Mike White's ribs were broken during that game.
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I know there's some speculation during the game. I was
just I don't know speculation. I mean I I heard
directly from one of the analysts that it was they
were broken. That's what I was going with. Well with
that yesterday, the day before the crazy recovery for him,
I mean, did come back and and still you know,
be in line to start this game. I mean with
broken ribs, I mean, geez, shoot them up, baby, the
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juice from the gods. Yeah. But like when I when
I did mind, like, I just they usually did a
local anesthetics, so it was just novacam like just like
you would in your teeth or that area. They're just
shoot you up in a couple of spots and you
feel good and then they go on toward all you. Well,
the problem was after that then it was like, well,
here's the dangerous part is if you break them worse,
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you probably or crack the worse or tear something charlige
and a worse still gone, Well, you're probably not really
gonna feel it. That's much. That's the issue. I don't know.
I just know I've had I've had to get my
toe localized, and then they gave me to toward all
and then I looked at everybody like rock, let's do this.
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You ready, let's do Are you ready? I'm ready four
hours later like hell, don't touch me, don't like and
I'm talking pain to the like like a sheet, a
light bit sheet touches your that that pain spot. You'd
be like, man, just take just just ended here because
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we're good. Here the big toe. It was my big
toe on the left side, the pinky one. I feel
like they could have took it the way it felt
after that toward all war off and that local. You know,
I pushed my my toe now all the way up
into my nail bid and I played with that and
then they had to remove my entire toe now and
that is a traumatic experience. This good morning, everybody. They
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had to localize that the big toe, right, they took
some plyers, literally took some pliers, put it under my toe,
nail broke the toe now, and then like took the
broken pieces and pulled it out. I was told nail
lists and when that local wore off, that too was
a very painful moment in my life as well. Yeah
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there you go. So it isn't all glitz and glamour
being a football player. I'll tell you that being an
athlete isn't always always pretty. You know that. There are
the moments like an ingrown toe. Now I've never had one,
but I've seen one, and that is crazy. Crazy. It's
not that bad. Pop it out, no, not in there,
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dig it out. Seen and grown toe nails where it
was like impaling their toes. Well, listen, then you need
to learn how to cut your toe nails. Better, cut
them straight across, don't don't dig two so far into
the side and then go from there. That's wow, bro. Yeah,
But pushing your toenail into your toe bit it's pretty
wild too, because it was like like the nail bit
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was like all this it was just building up, like
it's just all this build up and you're seeing it
like swell up in your toe bit. And when they
did that, all this stuff came out of it. It
was crazy, man, to see it. It's crazy. I don't
know what was crazier, the pliers or the amount of
stuff that was coming out when they removed the toenail
from the toe bit. He showed us a video of
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that from the bus stop, like of the injury. So
I remember that all that fluid coming up out of
the area. Yeah, very good. Be sure to catch live
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I'm good, I'm good. Comment about two thirty last night.
My plane was delayed because they didn't have life fests
on board, so they had to take care of that
even though we were flying. We were flying from Dallas
to Boston, so I don't know where we would have
needed them. Well, there's somewhere on the way. Can I
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ask you this? Where did they go at what point? Like?
What plane? I don't lift it still works, no idea.
All I know is they made the announcement and then
they came in with a stack of them, like an
hour and a half later. We were sitting on the
plane the whole time, and then we wait another forty
five minutes for paperwork, which apparently they couldn't do while
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they were getting the life fest. So one big at
a time, I guess. Let me let me take a
stab at this. The airline was American. That's right, that's right.
Hold on, hold on before you bad mouth American all
right on National radio. United is still worse than America.
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You know what I would concur Okay, I meant Americans,
But remember some of those American planes are just us
airplanes with a paint job now and those who those
people who are old enough to have been around when
US Air was there, that was like that. That was
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like the sixty six Green Bay packers of that area
would have broken toe yea delta Delta Albert can. I
gotta ask you this, Odell Beckham Junior stuff. When's this
going to be over? Didn't that Jerry Jones is stirring
it up again? When is this going to be over? Man?
What's this plan here? I mean, I hope soon. It's
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really kind of up to him, um and what he
wants to do. And you know, I know there were
some people turned off by um. You know, his whole stance.
The regular season doesn't matter because you know, these teams
have locker rooms full of guys who are fighting through
all kinds of differences right now just to get their
teams in the playoffs. You know. So um, yeah, you know,
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I like his knee has been an issue. There's no
question the first surgery wasn't successful. Um. And you know,
I think I've said this to you guys over the
last few weeks. Nor End signed him. They thought it
was a ticking time on. They hope that you give
him the finish line. They almost made it the knee
blew up in the Super Bowl, So um, you know,
I think everybody can understand if he wants to be
cautious with it, but then to go through with the
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tour and say some of the things he's saying, I
know that's turned some people off. So UM, you know,
I I just I think the interesting part is gonna
be whether or not Dallas or somebody else brings him
in on his terms and um does what he wants,
which it sounds like he wants another year tacked onto
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the deal. Um, some guaranteed money in there, and only
playing the playoffs. We'll see if the batch off of that,
because that seems like, you know, a pretty heavy demand
for a guy who you know, hasn't played much football
over the last couple of years well and has all
the medical issues he's got. I mean, t Y Hilton
gets signed, Cole Beasley gets signed, and that says everything, Brady,
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that says everything, doesn't it. I mean even as the
Chiefs the Chiefs one Dr Darius Tony while they were
still in this you know, I I think what it
tells you is these teams look at O'Dell and it's like, oh,
we love him as a player when he's healthy, but
we have no idea if he's gonna be able to
get back there by the end of the year. So
if we're even gonna if we want to bring in
a receiver as an insurance policy, and this isn't the
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guy to do it with, because what you get from
him may just be a bonus to whatever you're getting
from everybody else. I want to switch gears, thankfully and
get off this subject to go to the Cardinals only
because with the injury now to Kyler Murray, Uh, their season,
which probably had any you know, small shot of them
making the playoffs before the injury, now is no shot.
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And their general manager Steve Kim has checked himself in
to get some additional help for some things that he's
been battling for a while. Now, where's this team at?
I mean, are you expecting some big changes this offseasons?
Michael Bidwell gonna be patient with this whole process. Everything
I've heard, Brady is that the organization's mass right now,
and um, you know I I I have a hard
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time seeing what there were They're gonna find real direction
here without making major changes and Cliffs got five years
loft time his contract. Does he even want to be
there anymore? After you know, the things that he's had
to deal with obviously, I mean you allude to it.
The Steve time thing isn't new for the people and
new people inside the organization, so that's there, and um,
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you know, I I sort of wonder if you look
at the history of the owner, right, like when you
look back and say, okay, what has he done in
the past and situations where things have gotten the wrong way?
He's almost never cleaned house, like when they fired Rod
Graves and Ken wasn't hunt, they elevated Steve Khan and
then they hire Bruce Arians. Then they've had time in
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place for the last couple of coaches, so they've never
really blown the whole thing up. So you know, I
wonder if maybe the move here for them is to
put like an Adrian Wilson in charge. To Adrian Wilson,
you know, obviously it was a great player for the
organization as well, thought of as a leader works in
the personnel department, and those are all the bodies are buried,
you know, like knows everything about the organization and so
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like to me, I you know, I think there's no
way I end up past the point of making cosmetic
changes and thinking that there's going to be some sort
of magic electure that they're gonna find that's gonna fix
everything that's gone wrong in the building. Um. So I've
said this you guys over the last I think month
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or so, that like Michael Bidwell's history isn't to eat
people's contracts and right checks and you know, like just
keep turning the organization over completely. But I think what's
going on there right now, Um, you know, certainly Monday night,
the Kime thing, the Kyler thing, even Kyler before the injury,
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I think it certainly begs for major, major change change.
Let's let's switch to to Baltimore. Um, what's what's the
latest with what's going on with Lamar? Like, what are
what are the feelings in in Baltimore right now? Ab Well?
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I think Tyler how it's gonna start on Saturday night,
and I think they're, um, Saturday afternoon, I think they're
they're feeling right now is let's just get into the tournament.
And if we can get into the tournament and we
can get we can get Lamar healthy. We've got a shot. Um.
Now beyond that, like you know, I obviously there's the
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bigger box question of what do you do about Lamar?
And it's contract. Certainly I think that they're going to
franchise him, and you know, I the Ravens have been
fairly steadfast and and saying we're not giving him a
fully guaranteed contract. And if you guys remember a few
months ago, it's really boiled down to a staring contest
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between player and team. The team was willing to pay him,
but they wanted to give him a conventional quarterback contract,
and he wanted a sort of groundbreaking deal at Deshaun
Watson got in Cleveland and so um. Will the injury
changed Lamar's outlook on all of this, I don't know.
Will the with the Ravens consider trading him if someone
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comes along with a godfather offer and is willing to
do what Cleveland did and attaching to that godfather offer
a fully guaranteed contract, I mean, if Lamar gets wind
of something like that, he doesn't have the exclusive tag
on him. You know, I guess anything is possible. But
I still think the goal for everybody but now there
is to have a healthy Lamar Jackson in the playoffs
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and then work out a long term extension after the year. Uh.
You know, I think we've seen over the last six
or seven months how complicated that can get Albert Brier
joining us here on Fox Sports. Rade. You can get
him on Twitter at Albert Brier, Senior NFL reporter at
the MMQB Albert, come this time next year, where Sean Payton? Um,
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I mean, I think you'd like to be on the
West Coast. I know a lot of people speculated on
the Chargers. Um. Yeah, I think Brandon stokely has got
a lot on the line over the last four weeks
of the year. UM. And I think a big piece
of that is trying to maximize what they have in
Justin Herbert. Um. They have him under a rookie contracts still,
but either this offseason or next offseason, they're gonna have
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to pay him. And once you pay a guy, the
dynamic changes a little bit. UM. And so you know,
I I think part of the deal with Sean Payton
shorts highs to what's gonna happen with the Chargers in
Los Angeles and whether or not Brandon stoke we can
do enough to convince the Spanos is not to engage
with Peyton. You know, outside of the Chargers at the
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bron Goes we're to make a change, I think they'd
probably make a run of him. I don't know if
you want to work with Russell Wilson. Obviously the same
thing has been putting out there for a couple of weeks.
What do you consider that? UM? I really think with
Sean the two things are gonna be geography and quarterback.
And I know he likes living in Los Angeles. He's
living there now, UM, and the idea of being the
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West Coast appeal to him. And you know, obviously that
makes the Charger is the easiest destination when you're when
you're looking at potential suitors. I would not rule out
the idea that he could sid another year because I
do think he's enjoying what he's doing right now, and
unless the situation is perfect for him, I could see
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now I think he's gonna coach again. I don't think
he's done for good, but you know, unless there's a
perfect situation out there, I could see him continuing to
live a pretty comfortable life for another year. Albert, I
want to ask about the Colt situation there and just
Jeff Saturday. I mean, obviously after that first win, it
nothing's really been uphill since. Do you get the the
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idea that maybe there's a chance that Jim rcay is
going to open this thing up to a wider coaching search.
I mean, that's at least how I felt when I
heard the news of them poking around Jim Harbaugh when
he was in town for the Big Ten Championship game.
Or do you feel like it's Jeff Saturday's job if
he wants it? Yeah, you know, Brady, I think this
is going to become about whether or not he canna
sell it to his fan base. Um, you know, I
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think he wants to do it. You know, I think
I think he wants to do it, and he wants
to build a strong staff around Jeff Saturday. He wants
to get the quarterback position finally settled one way or
the other, which was I think kind of hanging over
everything with Frank Reich um at the end, and it's
been hanging over some of the decision making they've made
over the last few months. Um, you know, I think
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if they collapse down the stretch, it becomes harder and
Remember they do have to open this up, you know,
because of the Rooney rule, they have to run like
a full and thorough process, or at least give the
appearance of it. So, you know, I think if it's
not Saturday, then then I think for her say, it's
about not being able to sell Jeff Saturday to that
fan base. And that's where I think the idea of
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Jim Harbaugh comes in, because he's somebody you can sell
the fan base, because his name is up in the
Ring of Honor, and because you know, he obviously has
a lot of cache in that organization. And you know,
weird as the end was for Jim Harbaugh and San
Francisco get a hell of a record there. He's forty
four and nineteen. There are very few coaches who have
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the winning percentage that he had as an NFL head coach.
So I think this is one of those where like
Mercy really likes the idea of being the guy who
found Jeff Saturday and the guy who did something a
little bit different, the guy who innovated UM. But you know,
this is gonna be about whether or not he can
continue to sell Jeff Saturday UM to his fan base,
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to his locker room to the people in his organization,
and I think the next four weeks and then to
determine whether or not he can go forward with that.
A My last question for you, and you're speaking on Er.
Say it came out, the report came out that he's
not ready to say ousting Dan Snyder as the owner
of the team. What what are the latest developments with
(44:15):
with all of that, because it seems like it gets quiet,
then it flares back up, and then it gets quiet
again and then it flares back up. Sounds like a
pattern forming here. What what what's the latest on it? Yeah,
I mean they're all sort of under tag order, is
what it is. You know, the commissioner told them to
her say um after her say um severod he said
(44:37):
in October at that meeting in New York. Um, you
know Goodell basically like said to the owners, trust us.
We're gonna make sure we get to the right result here.
Trust Mary Joe White's investigation, and trust that like one
way or the other, we're going to find the right
way to get closure on this entire thing. And I
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think the other owners trust Goodell. They still don't trust Snyder,
and so Bank of America has started the process of um,
you know, sending uh sending stuff out to potential bidders,
confidential information on the organization. And the one thing that
I sort of came across LaVar um when I was
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in Dallas with the owners meeting this week. There are
some people who still think that um, that that Snyder's
gonna play lucy and pull the football away from from
everybody at the very end and keep the team and
and and stet a instet a price that's like way
too high, that nobody's gonna match. And that magic number.
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You hear the number a lot of seven billion sounds,
which sounds like an interesting number, and maybe they can
get there. Here's the problem if you're a bidder, right,
that's one of the lowest revenue organizations in the league.
So if you buy the team, you've got to fix that, right,
And then you've probably got to invest another couple of
billion in building a stadium. So while the franchise might
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eventually be worth that, and that might eventually look like
a good price, it's gonna take billions and billions of
dollars of investments on top of the price you pay
for the team to get the organization, right, And so
Snyder says seven billion or bust. And you know that
Ishpia is the Josh Harris is, maybe the Jeff Bezos is,
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although I think some people think that Bezos is sort
of just a stocking horse here. Um might look at
that and say, yeah, the organization may be worth that
in the end, but I can't pay that if I'm
gonna have to invest way more into it to fix
that the mess you created. So I'm out. Um, It's
gonna be really interesting to see what happens, because I
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think after we get past the first of the year,
the thing starts to heat up, and then you know,
we figure out what the asking price is, and you know,
maybe then we see how motive it or to sell
her Snyder really is. Oh my god, I get him
on Twitter at our career senior NFL reporter at the
mm QB. Obviously, we've got a couple of weeks left
till the big game, Albert, so I'm not even gonna
try and you know, throw a random number at you,
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like whether or not Ohio State and Georgia are going
to score more than sixty two and a half points.
I'm not gonna do that. To you here. I would
never do that. It doesn't make any sense whatsoever. We'll
just try to keep it competitive, how about that? Yeah, listen,
just do what you can. Do you have any faith?
Come on, Albert, Come on, Albert. I'm just I mean, Brady,
I feel like you gotta take kind of a little profile, now,
you know what I mean? Wow? Hey, the goal is
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to get to the playoff, you know, I mean, you're there.
Hold on. You don't want to try to have a
rematch versus Michigan. Oh I do? No, No, no, I do,
I do, I do. I'm just kinda keep a little
profile dot you know. I mean, wouldn't you totally redeem
yourself if you did? Yeah? No, no, no, no. I mean,
like you know, some people planning flags and thought they
wouldn't have to answer for it for a year, And
maybe you could plan a flag artificial tour field. It's
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snuck up out of there. That venom snuck up out
of there. I heard it. I heard it. Be like,
I hope they rematch. That's your dead, Albert. We appreciate it.
We'll do it again next week. All right, thanks guys,
a very weekend. There is albur career senior Unifiur reporter
at the MMQB. Joining us here, Fox Sports Radio has
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