December 20, 2021 • 33 mins
Monday on 2 Pros and a Cup of Joe, Jonas Knox, Brady Quinn and LaVar Arrington recap Tom Brady's historic woes against the Saints. They discuss whether or not the hit on Godwin was dirty. There's definitely more "clarity" on how bad the Jags are after the firing of Urban Meyer. The Lions upset the "finesse" Cardinals and an understanding of why Goodell and the NFL changed course on making teams forfeit after COVID outbreaks.
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Is the best of two pros and a couple of
Joe with Lamar Arrington, Brady Quinn and Jonas Knocks on
Fox Sports Radio. All Right, at one point, do the
New Orleans Saints continue to beat the Tampa Bay Buccketeers
and Tom Brady before we just say, you know what,
they just have their number. There's something about it. Man,
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they know Sean Payton. Uh, they're playing with Taysom Hill.
They've got a limited offense, and it was a shutout
on Sunday Night football. And now the injuries didn't play
a major factor. Godwin, Mike Evans for NET. Everybody seemingly
banged up. But man, we've seen enough of this Brady before.
At what point do we go They've just got something
on him, whatever it is personnel. I have no idea
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what Tom Brady does not look the same against New
Orleans Saints. It's the way they go about rushing them.
I mean, I know he didn't have his weapons on
the outside of that matters like you can't overlook that.
But that's the reality of the game and the way
there was a Scotty Miller siding. At one point, we
were asking last week, what the hell happened that guy.
I know he's on I R for a bit, but
like literally after what was kind of a monumental catch
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helping them get to his Super Bowl, hadn't heard much
about him, But I digress. It's the pressure, it's it's
it felt like kind of what I witnessed being in
Ohio watching my family and seeing my little nieces and
nephews play like we're that older brother just kind of
has that like mentality or that that mental headspace over
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the little brother, and you watch them, like time and
time again, just beat on him. And it feels like
that's the New Orleans Saints in this in this matchup.
I look and I know they've beat him the playoffs
last year, but as far as the regular season goes,
the Saints seem to be the team that keeps coming
up with game plans time and time again, where the
Bucks just can't figure it out, at least not during
the regular season. Well, I'll say this, there's nothing like
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putting a raddale on a raddale when you're a defender
and you see that their riddale go on somebody's head,
and they bring that and they introduce it to the people,
right across from them. I'll tell you what, that's football.
They're straight cash, homie. That's football, bro. And and for
some strange reason, New Orleans seems to bring their They
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put their best foot forward, especially on the defense side
of the ball. They put their best foot forward. And
then it's like you forget at times that New Orleans
has some really serious playmakers on that defense. And then
and then they convince you every once in a while,
it's like, come on, man. I gave them very high
ranks because I knew that they would be solid, like
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above solid, above average, like a good defense coming into
the season. That a lot of what I was thinking
about on prognosticating on them was based off of their
defense side of the ball. But I did think that
Jamis Winston was a a wild card situation for this
New Orleans Saints team. I'll say this. I say that
to say I don't think that this is that good
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of a New Orleans size team. No, I think they
got they well whatever it is. They they make this
their biggest game and they were able to have biggest
game results against Tampa. Um. In fact, I don't even
lose trust that that that this Tampa team is still
the number in my opinion, the number two team in
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the NFC. I'm I'm all in on I'm all in
on Green Bay. Yeah, I'm all in on Green Bay.
But I think that this this Tampa team, I don't
I don't take too much away from them losing to
New Orleans at this point. But for Tom Brady, who
you know still probably holds a grudge against Eli Manning
and the Giants, which is why he always gets fired
up for it. I mean at this many times, and
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I know they wanted the playoff game last year, but
Drew Brees was at such a diminished state. It seemed
like that that Tampa had all the momentum at that point.
But this has gotta be pissing him off, like this
has got to be really bothering him. To have a
team inside your division head coach with COVID Dennis Allen
is the interim head coach and they go into your
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backyard again. Remember it was last year on Sunday Night Football, Brady,
you and I were on the air at the time,
going the hell is happening here in New Orleans? Annihilated
them at home and it and to to get shut
out like this, I don't think. Look, I expected New
Orleans was going to be competitive. I thought Tampa would
figure it out, But I didn't think they were gonna
get shut out on national TV. That was no I mean,
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and and and the game itself. It was just like
every time you I kept thinking, alright, second half, they're
gonna figure this thing out, and they're gonna create a
big play here there. The problem was like who was
going to create that big play? And and as good
as Rob Gronkowski has been throughout the course of his career,
he's he's not going to be that guy that's gonna
be able to turn the tide of a game. He'll
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have some great situational catches and helped create some momentum,
but he just he doesn't have that sort of ability anymore.
And they didn't have really anyone left that could create
anything for their team. So, look, given the point in
time of which had happened in this season, and given
the fact that you know this season didn't start off
how last season did for the Bucks, or you had
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those questions I think early about if Tod Brading the Bucks,
if this was gonna work out. It was that lost
versus the Saints that provided. I don't know if it
was motivation or clarity or or what, but it provided
them that springboard where they won out and then end
up winning a super Bowl. Maybe that'll be the situation here,
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you know, maybe because this season has been not a
cake walk, but they have been one of the best
teams in the NFC the entire season. It wasn't like
that last year. So maybe this provides a little extra motivation.
And I think Tom Brady knows as bad as it feels,
and losing the regular season, if the Saints are a
playoffs team that they had their number last year in
the playoffs, that's when the adjustments. That's what all that
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matters most. And by the way, Albert Brier made the
comment on social media last night that Tom Brady could
tell he was piste off because he showed up to
the postgame press or in his white crew neck shirt
that he was wearing underneath his shoulder pads. And that's
a fair point. That's a fair observation because he would
have come out, you know, look at all dapper and
a nice you know, uh winner coach or something like
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that or something to show off, you know what he's
got going on. Maybe a member's only jacket. But now
he was piste off. He was annoyed. Bruce Arians was
piste off. He was annoyed. Here was the Bucks head
coach after the game, obviously not thrilled with what would
happen on Sunday night football, obviously not happy about what
happened on Sunday night football. Here was Arians. Very disappointing.
That's never happened to me. I don't know, I can't
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remember last time I shout out and uh or us
and uh. But kicking game, our kickers let us down.
Also between the offense and in the kicking game that
costs us. Again, the defense played good enough to win.
So who's going to get it the worst this week?
Is it gonna be kickers or offense? Well? Did you
ever notice how he like he never does blame things
on the defense. I think for the most part, like
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Bruce Arians a straight shooter, but he usually is displayed
with the offense at least ae else like that. I
respect it because he's an offensive amount of head coach.
But I mean, this is a case where you could
have you could make that case. I mean, obviously nine
points is nine points. The offense has to do something
out there. Well, I'll say this, don't be surprised if
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you hear about Bruce Arians kicking one of his players
in the hamstring and telling them, hey, hey, those tactics
do not work anymore, not work anymore. I was just
thinking out loud, like maybe a coach might you know,
tap a guy on the shoulder or slap him on
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the hamstring and tell them, you know, we gotta do
better this week. By the way, you see, uh, Antonio
Brown is going to be back. Boys, stunning development. They
looked like they missed like we were speculating it a
bad last week based on the comments from Marian's and
Brady made the point like, you know, this sounds like
they're going to leave it up to the team. I mean,
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I expect acted that he was going to be brought back.
If they were going to cut him, they would have
just already done it, right, I mean, they just walked away.
The fact that they were waiting around for him to
get healthy told me everything we needed to know about
whether or not of the woods. We don't know that yet,
but I do think that obviously they could use them.
Last night, you know, are they still investigating, like is
there more to investigate. That's that's what I'm curious about.
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I don't know. I listen to. All that they announced
last night was that he will be welcome back with
the team. So so A B is going to be back.
And here's my only question too, Am I missing something?
I mean, suck up? Missed what one kick? Yeah? And
I'm trying that's what was it gonna be the difference
of the game. I'm trying to think if he was,
if I'm trying to remember back, if there was a
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a muffed punt, or if there was something else that
was going on. Um. But look, they just offensively and
to your point, you were saying, you're waiting for something
to happen, and I just never got the feeling that
they had any opportunity, Like I never got the feeling like, Okay,
here we go, this is the bucks, here we go again.
It seemed like they were getting collapsed. And then Brady
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goes over to the bench. I'd love to know what
he said, because there were some people that did someone
broke the surface tablet? Well, it was that, but he
also ran over after he threw the interception, and he
made a comment to one of the coaches on the sideline,
and some people using the lip reading skills on Twitter
said that he told them to go f themselves, which
is an odd time to say go after yourselves after
you throw a pick, but that's that's the approach Brady
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took last night. So it seemed like everybody had a die.
You're gonna put that out there, huh. I'm just saying, like,
you know that that's something confirmation or anything like that,
And we don't even know the context of what that
would have been reading him saying that. I just don't
think it might have been saying that, you know, he
to the other team, you know what, you know what
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this offense is missing though. They need some sort of
explosion or burst out of the back. Yeah, like when
you watched like a game like last night where you're
down your top two receivers, um, you don't have Antonio Brown,
who probably would have then been highlighted at that point
and you see kind of gronk lumbering around. He can't
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seem to mean there was a couple of catches that
was it seemed like they were. I mean, look at
the Saints did a good job against him, but there's
just when they try to run the football. Ronald Jones
and Fortnite just don't have that burst. There's not that
like changeup back Giovanni. I thought he was supposed to
be that guy where he's in he's protograph. Yeah, Like
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did he get banged up? I want to say, like
it we're like he was? Yeah, I think I think
he's banged up. I haven't heard his name and forever,
and I thought that's what they brought him into. He
felt more of a pass catching guy. That's what I'm
saying now, the backfield, but something different, something different, to
switch up, you know, changeup, know, man, But it didn't
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look good. I'll tell you that. It didn't look good.
And then you you get again, you get Green Bay
doing what they did, and they could have lost. They
could have lost that game. But to go into two
Baltimore and be able to pull that one out, I mean,
now you gotta be looking at the NFST like what
what what is going on here? Is it possible that
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Dallas could possibly knocked Tampa Bay out of that second
seed and it'd be Green Bay and Dallas and then
Tampa That's what it is right now. That's the current
playoff picture. Jeez, be sure to catch live editions of
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Eastern three am Pacific on Fox Sports Radio and the
I Heart Radio app. We've been waiting to talk about
how basically a bunch of people got fooled up. They
were sold a lie, they were fooled and even I
guess you could say even some of the sharp better,
some of the bookmakers, the odds makers, if you will,
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with Urban Meyer getting fired, yeah, it's um. Can we
get a wellness check on the reporter who was trying
to kiss ass to Darryl Bevil last week who said,
do you know? I don't know, if you know you
can get more wins a term head coach and Urban
could as a as a head coach. Can we get
a wellness check on that full blown five alarms zero?
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Who asked the question in that press conference, what a loser?
What a tool? That team sucks? That organization is a
diaper fire and they got exposed by the Houston Texans.
My Houston Texans getting it done. Brady Quinn, how about
that at you Jack? For those who don't know they
initially the line opened before the news broke, the Jacksonville
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Jaguars for three and a half point favorites to beat
the Houston Texans. Right there, given three and a half points,
then urban Meyer gets fired. Everything transpires over the course
of the week, Daryl Bevil's name the interim head coach,
and and the line jumps. The Jacksonville Jaguars actually got
two more points in some books. It ended up settling
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at four and a half points as the favorite when
it was all said and done. But a bunch of
people hopped on this train or this idea that urban
Meyer was the problem. And then you come to find
out playing a team that's also happens to be two
and eleven this season, they get drummed, not even close
at home, not even close, and Davis Mills all of
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a sudden looks like the better of the two rookie quarterbacks.
So if there's any indication whatsoever of one of the issues,
you can listen to the media all you want, talk
about whatever it was that urban Meyer did or didn't
new her, the culture, how he treated his assistance. This
staff was just as much to blame for the way
this organization has struggled as anything else. Now, as far
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as how Urban and my Meyer might have handled things,
given how how this team struggled, given how the assistant
struggled to be able to put together a game plan
or a winning game plan, you know that that's that's
another conversation. But the reality is this is a terrible
football team. They're now in position to have the number
one overall pick yet again for a reason, as Jonas
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point you pointed this out last week, they drafted the
top ten. It's two thousand and eight. What sort of
indication does that give you. Yeah, they had the one
year other than that everything championship game, But you were
sold this idea though that it was just him, it
was it. Now this team is gonna take off. You know,
Trevor Lawrence even talked about clarity moving. You're at clarity now.
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You stay as good as and as good as he is,
as back as good as he is. You can't overcome
what what the staff you're working with, what's around you
right now, You're a long ways from being a competitive
football team. So there you go. And who do they
have next week? The New York Jets. Yeah, I'll be
curious to see now what that line looks like. Because
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the way the Jets are playing right now, and even
they're they're competitive, They're like the Detroit Lions right now
where they figured it out. They run the football, don't
ask too much of Zach Wilson. They played decent enough
defense to hang around and keep them in football games.
I'll take the Jets. I don't even know the line.
I'll take the Jets right now, straight up, money line,
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whatever you want to make it. I'll take the Jets
versus the Jacksonville Jaguars. The way this team is playing.
Do you want to take anyone against the Jacksonville back
anybody to that point, I'll take. I'll take the little
league team in the O C shots out to the
Jews crew they I'll take the O C buck eyes, Uh,
fourteen fifteen you over over Jacksonville. It just so funny.
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We look, we got destroyed by a lot of people
who didn't like what we were saying. It felt like
everybody ran with whatever the side of social media was like, Oh,
they're all complaining about her. Remind everybody's dancing on his grave. Okay, yeah,
that's the side we're gonna take. And I thought we
were spot on last week, We made the point, do
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you think that this is the fixer of what's happening here?
Do you think this is what's like? This is how
this has done. Then a report comes out this week
from you know that they're going to they fired him
with cause and all that you know stuff, and and
look when you when you hear shot Khan and the
reports that came out from his spokesperson, and again kudos
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to to Brady Quinn who called this last week. He
said it felt like this was in the works for
a while. A hundred percent it was because shot khan
spokesperson even said it wasn't the Josh Lambeau kicking incidents.
There were things that were happening, and apparently shot Kin
had been thinking about firing urban Meyer. He was just
waiting to put together a case. Think about that. The
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interesting thing is what it's going to be your case.
It can't be the Josh Lambo incident having too long ago,
and they admitted that they knew it. I mean, alber
Brier talked about that, and again he's not a legal expert,
but you know it makes sense that you can't say, hey,
the reason we're fine for you for cause, because this
incident happened four months ago, I kept un employed even
though I knew about it. Like, that doesn't work, all right,
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You can't fire him for other stuff where you kept
him employed. The incident that happened in Ohio, you came
out and spoke publicly about it that you're giving him
another chance. You can't. You can't fire him with cause
for it now. So you've got to have other things.
And I do think there's probably a laundry list of
little things, and so this is the road we're on
right now. You're gonna start to hear about some of
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those things because they'll leak their way to the public,
to the media like they always do, just to try
to discredit urban Meyer or you know, make him feel pressure,
because if urban Meyer follows up a long suit, if
they file a law lawsuit for wrongful termination, you know,
he's gonna feel comfortable with saying you have no reason
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to have fired me with cause you're gonna have to
pay me the moneys that I'm mowed. And by the way,
he's never been through this before, so it's a little
it's a little the first experience and appropriately being film
by somebody, you know, lap dancing on you is not
a fireble sorry, like it was a lot of coaches
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to be out of work. I'm sorry, I'm just like,
I'm just owners. I'm just saying that's not a fireable
offense with little Daddy used to get it in. Yeah,
not not exactly at the same time and the same people,
but the same building across the club. I mean, I
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was aware and he was aware. We were we we
used to be besties at one point. But I'm not
doing no tell all, So I'm not I'm not throwing
that stuff out there. Yeah, you know what I mean, Like,
see you tomorrow, see you tomorrow, you know what I mean.
But yeah, I just don't think that whatever it is,
they changed their mind, you change your mind, you gotta
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own it. You can't try to slither your way through
it and out of it. Like you gotta own it.
You did it, you hired him, You change your mind
and changed your mind. But don't don't act as though
you gave that man a fair opportunity to try to
rebuild this team, because we all know that that isn't
what happened. Like, regardless of what side you fall on
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in terms of if you're pro or con Urban You
didn't give him an opportunity, a fair opportunity. That's what
I don't get about this whole thing. And and you know,
I was asked about the people on social media get
upset about it, but the reality is, like, I'm just
being objective. I don't have a dog in the fight.
I don't. But when you look at how and it's
not just urban Meyer it was, it's every college coach.
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It's every college coach that comes up to that level.
They don't want to be looked at as a guy
who can be successful at that level. And yes there
are differences, but if you give anyone thirteen games, they're
not turning around the Jaguars organization at thirteen games. I'm sorry,
I don't care how good they are. Look at the
Cincinnati Bengals. I mean, urban Meyer had more credentials in
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a resume that Zach Taylor did when he was hired.
Yet Zach Taylor was given what three years, and now
you're finally seeing them at this point climb on top
of the a f C. North after they've spent draft classes,
free agency periods, all that to get it to this point.
I mean, it takes time folks, and like, I don't
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care who you're talking about, it might take a little
extra time for a college coach to be able to
figure it out and get it the way he needs
it to be to be successful. So you can blame
urban Meyer talk about you know, its culture doesn't work now,
it doesn't work at this level. It just didn't happen.
He didn't have enough time to get it to where
he needs to be to be successful like he did
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other places. That's the reality of it. And even for
his staff for the most part, which I think that's
one of the things that when you think about how
this thing fell apart, he didn't really didn't work with
any of these guys. He hired a bunch of guys
who had NFL credentials instead of basically trying to bring
along which and that's, by the way, that is one
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of the reasons why you see NFL coaches recycled time
and time and time again, because they're loyal to each other.
But when you got a guy who's an outsider that
comes in and he starts coaching in a manner that
they don't like because they're not winning, guess what happens.
They start to look to survive, to make sure that
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they still have a job next year, or they still
have a job the coming season. And that's why you
see a lot of NFL coaches when they get a job,
they hire guys they're close to, guys they know. So
when when things get tough, you're not gonna hear all
these leaks and all these different things coming out about
who's to blame, because that's what starts happening. That's what
happened in Jacksonville unfortunately, and by the way, there would
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have been massive overall on that staff in the off season.
Something they grabbing life before you get me. But the
problem is some of those dudes grab pick axes and
they started trying to take down that boat, but more
holes and then they grabbed a life vest to jump off. Uh,
that's what they tolls in the safety and the life
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get your podcast. You know what, it's awesome. Two games
on Monday Night football to look. I was piste off.
They didn't have two games the opening week of Monday
Night Football. They normally did that. This year they didn't.
Last year. We had a couple of weeks where there
were two games. I think it's fantastic getting to see
and plus, Monday night football on the East Coast is
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kind of a grind because the game doesn't kick off
to like almost eight thirty. Uh. Now you guys get
to see how the other side lives, Brady. Now, now
you get to see what it's like to be able
to watch a game at five o'clock with the Browns
and the Raiders. You're welcome. Now you can live like us.
I was just gonna say that that's like, the nice
thing about this is you get to basically get off
work and you got football on baby, a nationally televised game.
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I love him. These coasts gets a little bit of
a taste of what it's like to live on the
West Coast. Um. I know this game being moved was controversial,
and I get it because Roger Goodell and the NFL
it took a really hard stance before the season started,
saying that they were not going to postpone or reschedule games.
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The team that was dealing with COVID issues would have
to forfeit. And so you've got a lot to upset
Raider players who are like, man, this is what you
said before the season. We've done our part, and now
you've got a team deal with this, and just because
it's a team that we're competing with to try to
stay in the playoff hunt, like you you're just you're
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gonna go ahead and move the game for them. So
so I understand like the hypocrisy of it from the
NFL and Roger Goodell, but I also think much like
we saw last year during COVID, in a year without
a vaccine, we had to adapt we had to adjust.
Hence while we got a game on Tuesday, and probably
why you know, they felt comfortable with putting another game
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in prime time on Tuesday this week. But in regards
to this game, I think the interesting part about it,
as far as why they've gone about changing some of
the rules of their COVID policy, is exactly what I've
been saying for the past week. And I know people
get upset about this on social media, and I don't
personally give a crap. I really don't. I don't care
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if people get upset when I say this, But if
you're asymptomatic, are you sick? And the NFL came to
that conclusion with vaccinated players, they will eventually come to
the conclusion probably a year or two from now, with
non vacted guys, saying, look, if they're asymptomatic, they're not
at risk of passing on whatever they have via the
COVID flu whatever else, because we've dealt with this in
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the past, and so now if they're asymptomatic, they're not
gonna be tested. So only if they show symptoms. If
you're a vaccinated player, which the vast majority of players
are vaccinated in the league, exception of Antonio Brown and
a couple of others. You know, those guys are no
longer going to be subject to testing like we've seen
in the past. Now, unvaccinated guys obviously still to go
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through the daily testing. But I've been saying this for
a while now, and it all comes down to whether
or not you're showing symptoms. I think the only concern,
and it is a legit concern, is if guys would
hide the fact that they've got symptoms in order to
avoid testing and potentially being put on the COVID list. Yeah,
there's a there's a lot to you know. The most
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interesting coincidence of this all is that it would happen
the week of vacation, of holiday vacation, like this didn't
happen any other week, but the week where like, you
know what, I'm super excited about these games today because
I don't have to rush home and take kids to school,
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worry about going to pick them up from school. People
don't have work right now, Some people do, some people don't.
As an applies to taking your kids to school, at
least out here on the West Coast, kids started there.
There there's uh winter break vacations are this week? Are
you saying planned? I'm not going to say that. I
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do believe East Coast schools still have a few more
days of school left, which is interesting. They're done to
are do you find out to be attack that that
this whole COVID thing decides to hit and you get
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games on different days the week that you don't have
to be running around every which direction to get your
kids from school. School sports, sports that sports that school.
Well there's still that, but it's not school. It's win
or break. Imagine if your chick or your loved one,
is your guy is a school teacher, administrator, or a
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principle of some sort. No school. I'm just saying, man,
that's the largest population, right, is the school population, not
the workforce. It's the school. So the schools are out,
just saying, man, could be a correlation. COVID was waiting
for winter break? Yeah, especially in school? Did Brady here
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that too? Rovererto you want to let you know? I
let Brady in on that. Clear that up, make sure
everybody's represented here on the show. Yeah, well he's not wrong.
I just want to point that out. You're all in
trust me. I've been doing enough Phineas to realize, well,
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this family is huge, so yeah, that's extends, but I
don't that's true, man Like, Look, it is ridiculous. I
I don't have a close relationship or a friendly relationship.
That's a family with one cousin, not one cousin. I
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don't have the phone number of a single cousin in
my family. And I have a big family, but my
wife's family man numbers an. Everybody understood what Janess just
did to yall me. I really wish you could understand, man,
you know. And then and then Burt to is in
on it, so he's not going to hit the button,
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so everybody is aware of it. But it's all right. Hey,
what did you guys think of Mike Florio's report last
night on Sunday Night Football? Whereas like, you know, there's
some growing concerns and league circles that you know, players
might try and hide their symptoms so they don't miss time.
Well he was listening, I know, I know. But the
idea that this hasn't happened for hundreds of years and
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every walk of life, it wasn't. Hines War pretended like
he had a toe injury when he got dinged so
that he could stay on the field. This is this
is going to happen so the so if we're gonna,
like all of a sudden, maybe call people reckless or
attack people's character because they're trying to stay in the game.
Like this has happened for years, years upon years. People
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have done this in the NFL. It's not anything new.
It's just a way for people to bitch and moan
and grandstand when they feel like somebody's doing something different
that they don't believe. Took you out of context when
I saw that message, I thought you were just talking
about society in general hiding their symptoms. Yeah, but it
has happened. There's a lot of people. But you went
direct to football the which I'm proud that you were
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on that because I think, like I think, getting different dimensions,
you know what I mean. I'm glad yours was predictable. Yeah,
thank you. I appreciate its good. I mean, it's not
a bad thing to be literal, nothing like you know,
being called a simpleton here on the air and so
many I didn't call you a simple I just thought
that you were speaking in in a broad stroke of
that's societal You think like. I was like, dang, Jonnest,
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that's deep. You think all I do is sitt in
the lab and watch the All twenty two. I was
just like I was sitting there, Brady. I looked at it.
I was like, man, like Joni has just dropped like
a jewel on us. Like man, people had had their
symptoms like since forever. I was like, I started thinking
back to people being in the fields. I started thinking
about you know, civil rights and all kinds of I started,
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I started going through all these different things, you know,
and then it was like, man, then you just said
today it was like heinz War faced the toe injury
when it was really a concussion. I was like, oh,
he was literal. Yeah, I just want to keep it. Yeah,
you know, he met that more. It was more literal.
That's cool, that's cool. No, there's nothing wrong with that.
I just think I think it's interesting that they changed
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course so drastically, and yet again it's like another way
because when they said what they said before the season,
it was all in an effort to get more players vaccinated.
That that's why they said, like, look, we're not gonna postpone,
We're not going to reschedule, it'll be a forfeiture. That's
what the NFL and Roger Goodell said, and that was
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all to scare teams to encourage players to get vaccinated.
Every everything about the protocols and not having to do
daily testing like they did a year ago, all had
to do with that. So I sit there and just
say to myself, this is no different because the unvaccinated
players still have to go through daily testing. They'll still
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have to go through some of those same protocols to
come back to play at least once they get on
the other side, if they test positive for COVID. Meanwhile,
like there's it's nothing for the vaccinating players, Like they
don't have to test. If they don't if they don't
face any symptoms, they don't have to test. And So
even though I do I do think it's a step
in the right direction as to how it's the NFL
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is always operated throughout the years, I do, I do
feel like there's an element of this is still all
about trying to ensure that however, many percentage of guys
aren't get vaccinated at this point, although I mean now
now it's now now we're on the vaccinated guys getting boosters.
I mean, at least the staff and so forth, unvacces
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is way behind you. You gotta catch up. So it's
it's again it's a step in the right direction. That
there's still a lot of work to be done, at
least in regards to how we get players back. But
the concerned about players hiding stuff, I mean, that's always
been the case because if you're gonna take away their
ability to play and do what they love or helps
them make a big income. Yeah, of course you're gonna
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get guys who try to manipulate the system. That that's
just a product of what it is. I mean, it's
not like this isn't a league of rule breakers anyway.
Teams are always kind of operating in the gray, you know,
in order to find an edge, and so yeah, if
if they can, I'm sure there's gonna be players who
abuse that. But that's always been the case. So we're
gonna make a big deal about it now. It's so dope.
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It's just an opportunity for like I said, people to
grandstand people, to to get their How dare he you know,
he he knew he would, He had the sniffles, and
he still showed up to play a football game. Yeah,
guys are playing with played with blown out knees, have
played with concussion, to play with all sorts of issues
like this is this is no different than what has
happened in the league for a long long time. I
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New Orleans Saints continue to beat the Tampa Bay Buccketeers
and Tom Brady before we just say, you know what,
they just have their number. There's something about it. Man,
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they know Sean Payton. Uh, they're playing with Taysom Hill.
They've got a limited offense, and it was a shutout
on Sunday Night football. And now the injuries didn't play
a major factor. Godwin, Mike Evans for NET. Everybody seemingly
banged up. But man, we've seen enough of this Brady before.
At what point do we go They've just got something
on him, whatever it is personnel. I have no idea
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what Tom Brady does not look the same against New
Orleans Saints. It's the way they go about rushing them.
I mean, I know he didn't have his weapons on
the outside of that matters like you can't overlook that.
But that's the reality of the game and the way
there was a Scotty Miller siding. At one point, we
were asking last week, what the hell happened that guy.
I know he's on I R for a bit, but
like literally after what was kind of a monumental catch
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helping them get to his Super Bowl, hadn't heard much
about him, But I digress. It's the pressure, it's it's
it felt like kind of what I witnessed being in
Ohio watching my family and seeing my little nieces and
nephews play like we're that older brother just kind of
has that like mentality or that that mental headspace over
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the little brother, and you watch them, like time and
time again, just beat on him. And it feels like
that's the New Orleans Saints in this in this matchup.
I look and I know they've beat him the playoffs
last year, but as far as the regular season goes,
the Saints seem to be the team that keeps coming
up with game plans time and time again, where the
Bucks just can't figure it out, at least not during
the regular season. Well, I'll say this, there's nothing like
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putting a raddale on a raddale when you're a defender
and you see that their riddale go on somebody's head,
and they bring that and they introduce it to the people,
right across from them. I'll tell you what, that's football.
They're straight cash, homie. That's football, bro. And and for
some strange reason, New Orleans seems to bring their They
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put their best foot forward, especially on the defense side
of the ball. They put their best foot forward. And
then it's like you forget at times that New Orleans
has some really serious playmakers on that defense. And then
and then they convince you every once in a while,
it's like, come on, man. I gave them very high
ranks because I knew that they would be solid, like
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above solid, above average, like a good defense coming into
the season. That a lot of what I was thinking
about on prognosticating on them was based off of their
defense side of the ball. But I did think that
Jamis Winston was a a wild card situation for this
New Orleans Saints team. I'll say this. I say that
to say I don't think that this is that good
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of a New Orleans size team. No, I think they
got they well whatever it is. They they make this
their biggest game and they were able to have biggest
game results against Tampa. Um. In fact, I don't even
lose trust that that that this Tampa team is still
the number in my opinion, the number two team in
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the NFC. I'm I'm all in on I'm all in
on Green Bay. Yeah, I'm all in on Green Bay.
But I think that this this Tampa team, I don't
I don't take too much away from them losing to
New Orleans at this point. But for Tom Brady, who
you know still probably holds a grudge against Eli Manning
and the Giants, which is why he always gets fired
up for it. I mean at this many times, and
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I know they wanted the playoff game last year, but
Drew Brees was at such a diminished state. It seemed
like that that Tampa had all the momentum at that point.
But this has gotta be pissing him off, like this
has got to be really bothering him. To have a
team inside your division head coach with COVID Dennis Allen
is the interim head coach and they go into your
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backyard again. Remember it was last year on Sunday Night Football, Brady,
you and I were on the air at the time,
going the hell is happening here in New Orleans? Annihilated
them at home and it and to to get shut
out like this, I don't think. Look, I expected New
Orleans was going to be competitive. I thought Tampa would
figure it out, But I didn't think they were gonna
get shut out on national TV. That was no I mean,
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and and and the game itself. It was just like
every time you I kept thinking, alright, second half, they're
gonna figure this thing out, and they're gonna create a
big play here there. The problem was like who was
going to create that big play? And and as good
as Rob Gronkowski has been throughout the course of his career,
he's he's not going to be that guy that's gonna
be able to turn the tide of a game. He'll
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have some great situational catches and helped create some momentum,
but he just he doesn't have that sort of ability anymore.
And they didn't have really anyone left that could create
anything for their team. So, look, given the point in
time of which had happened in this season, and given
the fact that you know this season didn't start off
how last season did for the Bucks, or you had
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those questions I think early about if Tod Brading the Bucks,
if this was gonna work out. It was that lost
versus the Saints that provided. I don't know if it
was motivation or clarity or or what, but it provided
them that springboard where they won out and then end
up winning a super Bowl. Maybe that'll be the situation here,
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you know, maybe because this season has been not a
cake walk, but they have been one of the best
teams in the NFC the entire season. It wasn't like
that last year. So maybe this provides a little extra motivation.
And I think Tom Brady knows as bad as it feels,
and losing the regular season, if the Saints are a
playoffs team that they had their number last year in
the playoffs, that's when the adjustments. That's what all that
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matters most. And by the way, Albert Brier made the
comment on social media last night that Tom Brady could
tell he was piste off because he showed up to
the postgame press or in his white crew neck shirt
that he was wearing underneath his shoulder pads. And that's
a fair point. That's a fair observation because he would
have come out, you know, look at all dapper and
a nice you know, uh winner coach or something like
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that or something to show off, you know what he's
got going on. Maybe a member's only jacket. But now
he was piste off. He was annoyed. Bruce Arians was
piste off. He was annoyed. Here was the Bucks head
coach after the game, obviously not thrilled with what would
happen on Sunday night football, obviously not happy about what
happened on Sunday night football. Here was Arians. Very disappointing.
That's never happened to me. I don't know, I can't
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remember last time I shout out and uh or us
and uh. But kicking game, our kickers let us down.
Also between the offense and in the kicking game that
costs us. Again, the defense played good enough to win.
So who's going to get it the worst this week?
Is it gonna be kickers or offense? Well? Did you
ever notice how he like he never does blame things
on the defense. I think for the most part, like
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Bruce Arians a straight shooter, but he usually is displayed
with the offense at least ae else like that. I
respect it because he's an offensive amount of head coach.
But I mean, this is a case where you could
have you could make that case. I mean, obviously nine
points is nine points. The offense has to do something
out there. Well, I'll say this, don't be surprised if
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you hear about Bruce Arians kicking one of his players
in the hamstring and telling them, hey, hey, those tactics
do not work anymore, not work anymore. I was just
thinking out loud, like maybe a coach might you know,
tap a guy on the shoulder or slap him on
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the hamstring and tell them, you know, we gotta do
better this week. By the way, you see, uh, Antonio
Brown is going to be back. Boys, stunning development. They
looked like they missed like we were speculating it a
bad last week based on the comments from Marian's and
Brady made the point like, you know, this sounds like
they're going to leave it up to the team. I mean,
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I expect acted that he was going to be brought back.
If they were going to cut him, they would have
just already done it, right, I mean, they just walked away.
The fact that they were waiting around for him to
get healthy told me everything we needed to know about
whether or not of the woods. We don't know that yet,
but I do think that obviously they could use them.
Last night, you know, are they still investigating, like is
there more to investigate. That's that's what I'm curious about.
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I don't know. I listen to. All that they announced
last night was that he will be welcome back with
the team. So so A B is going to be back.
And here's my only question too, Am I missing something?
I mean, suck up? Missed what one kick? Yeah? And
I'm trying that's what was it gonna be the difference
of the game. I'm trying to think if he was,
if I'm trying to remember back, if there was a
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a muffed punt, or if there was something else that
was going on. Um. But look, they just offensively and
to your point, you were saying, you're waiting for something
to happen, and I just never got the feeling that
they had any opportunity, Like I never got the feeling like, Okay,
here we go, this is the bucks, here we go again.
It seemed like they were getting collapsed. And then Brady
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goes over to the bench. I'd love to know what
he said, because there were some people that did someone
broke the surface tablet? Well, it was that, but he
also ran over after he threw the interception, and he
made a comment to one of the coaches on the sideline,
and some people using the lip reading skills on Twitter
said that he told them to go f themselves, which
is an odd time to say go after yourselves after
you throw a pick, but that's that's the approach Brady
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took last night. So it seemed like everybody had a die.
You're gonna put that out there, huh. I'm just saying, like,
you know that that's something confirmation or anything like that,
And we don't even know the context of what that
would have been reading him saying that. I just don't
think it might have been saying that, you know, he
to the other team, you know what, you know what
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this offense is missing though. They need some sort of
explosion or burst out of the back. Yeah, like when
you watched like a game like last night where you're
down your top two receivers, um, you don't have Antonio Brown,
who probably would have then been highlighted at that point
and you see kind of gronk lumbering around. He can't
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seem to mean there was a couple of catches that
was it seemed like they were. I mean, look at
the Saints did a good job against him, but there's
just when they try to run the football. Ronald Jones
and Fortnite just don't have that burst. There's not that
like changeup back Giovanni. I thought he was supposed to
be that guy where he's in he's protograph. Yeah, Like
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did he get banged up? I want to say, like
it we're like he was? Yeah, I think I think
he's banged up. I haven't heard his name and forever,
and I thought that's what they brought him into. He
felt more of a pass catching guy. That's what I'm
saying now, the backfield, but something different, something different, to
switch up, you know, changeup, know, man, But it didn't
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look good. I'll tell you that. It didn't look good.
And then you you get again, you get Green Bay
doing what they did, and they could have lost. They
could have lost that game. But to go into two
Baltimore and be able to pull that one out, I mean,
now you gotta be looking at the NFST like what
what what is going on here? Is it possible that
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Dallas could possibly knocked Tampa Bay out of that second
seed and it'd be Green Bay and Dallas and then
Tampa That's what it is right now. That's the current
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Eastern three am Pacific on Fox Sports Radio and the
I Heart Radio app. We've been waiting to talk about
how basically a bunch of people got fooled up. They
were sold a lie, they were fooled and even I
guess you could say even some of the sharp better,
some of the bookmakers, the odds makers, if you will,
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with Urban Meyer getting fired, yeah, it's um. Can we
get a wellness check on the reporter who was trying
to kiss ass to Darryl Bevil last week who said,
do you know? I don't know, if you know you
can get more wins a term head coach and Urban
could as a as a head coach. Can we get
a wellness check on that full blown five alarms zero?
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Who asked the question in that press conference, what a loser?
What a tool? That team sucks? That organization is a
diaper fire and they got exposed by the Houston Texans.
My Houston Texans getting it done. Brady Quinn, how about
that at you Jack? For those who don't know they
initially the line opened before the news broke, the Jacksonville
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Jaguars for three and a half point favorites to beat
the Houston Texans. Right there, given three and a half points,
then urban Meyer gets fired. Everything transpires over the course
of the week, Daryl Bevil's name the interim head coach,
and and the line jumps. The Jacksonville Jaguars actually got
two more points in some books. It ended up settling
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at four and a half points as the favorite when
it was all said and done. But a bunch of
people hopped on this train or this idea that urban
Meyer was the problem. And then you come to find
out playing a team that's also happens to be two
and eleven this season, they get drummed, not even close
at home, not even close, and Davis Mills all of
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a sudden looks like the better of the two rookie quarterbacks.
So if there's any indication whatsoever of one of the issues,
you can listen to the media all you want, talk
about whatever it was that urban Meyer did or didn't
new her, the culture, how he treated his assistance. This
staff was just as much to blame for the way
this organization has struggled as anything else. Now, as far
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as how Urban and my Meyer might have handled things,
given how how this team struggled, given how the assistant
struggled to be able to put together a game plan
or a winning game plan, you know that that's that's
another conversation. But the reality is this is a terrible
football team. They're now in position to have the number
one overall pick yet again for a reason, as Jonas
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point you pointed this out last week, they drafted the
top ten. It's two thousand and eight. What sort of
indication does that give you. Yeah, they had the one
year other than that everything championship game, But you were
sold this idea though that it was just him, it
was it. Now this team is gonna take off. You know,
Trevor Lawrence even talked about clarity moving. You're at clarity now.
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You stay as good as and as good as he is,
as back as good as he is. You can't overcome
what what the staff you're working with, what's around you
right now, You're a long ways from being a competitive
football team. So there you go. And who do they
have next week? The New York Jets. Yeah, I'll be
curious to see now what that line looks like. Because
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the way the Jets are playing right now, and even
they're they're competitive, They're like the Detroit Lions right now
where they figured it out. They run the football, don't
ask too much of Zach Wilson. They played decent enough
defense to hang around and keep them in football games.
I'll take the Jets. I don't even know the line.
I'll take the Jets right now, straight up, money line,
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whatever you want to make it. I'll take the Jets
versus the Jacksonville Jaguars. The way this team is playing.
Do you want to take anyone against the Jacksonville back
anybody to that point, I'll take. I'll take the little
league team in the O C shots out to the
Jews crew they I'll take the O C buck eyes, Uh,
fourteen fifteen you over over Jacksonville. It just so funny.
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We look, we got destroyed by a lot of people
who didn't like what we were saying. It felt like
everybody ran with whatever the side of social media was like, Oh,
they're all complaining about her. Remind everybody's dancing on his grave. Okay, yeah,
that's the side we're gonna take. And I thought we
were spot on last week, We made the point, do
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you think that this is the fixer of what's happening here?
Do you think this is what's like? This is how
this has done. Then a report comes out this week
from you know that they're going to they fired him
with cause and all that you know stuff, and and
look when you when you hear shot Khan and the
reports that came out from his spokesperson, and again kudos
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to to Brady Quinn who called this last week. He
said it felt like this was in the works for
a while. A hundred percent it was because shot khan
spokesperson even said it wasn't the Josh Lambeau kicking incidents.
There were things that were happening, and apparently shot Kin
had been thinking about firing urban Meyer. He was just
waiting to put together a case. Think about that. The
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interesting thing is what it's going to be your case.
It can't be the Josh Lambo incident having too long ago,
and they admitted that they knew it. I mean, alber
Brier talked about that, and again he's not a legal expert,
but you know it makes sense that you can't say, hey,
the reason we're fine for you for cause, because this
incident happened four months ago, I kept un employed even
though I knew about it. Like, that doesn't work, all right,
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You can't fire him for other stuff where you kept
him employed. The incident that happened in Ohio, you came
out and spoke publicly about it that you're giving him
another chance. You can't. You can't fire him with cause
for it now. So you've got to have other things.
And I do think there's probably a laundry list of
little things, and so this is the road we're on
right now. You're gonna start to hear about some of
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those things because they'll leak their way to the public,
to the media like they always do, just to try
to discredit urban Meyer or you know, make him feel pressure,
because if urban Meyer follows up a long suit, if
they file a law lawsuit for wrongful termination, you know,
he's gonna feel comfortable with saying you have no reason
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to have fired me with cause you're gonna have to
pay me the moneys that I'm mowed. And by the way,
he's never been through this before, so it's a little
it's a little the first experience and appropriately being film
by somebody, you know, lap dancing on you is not
a fireble sorry, like it was a lot of coaches
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to be out of work. I'm sorry, I'm just like,
I'm just owners. I'm just saying that's not a fireable
offense with little Daddy used to get it in. Yeah,
not not exactly at the same time and the same people,
but the same building across the club. I mean, I
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was aware and he was aware. We were we we
used to be besties at one point. But I'm not
doing no tell all, So I'm not I'm not throwing
that stuff out there. Yeah, you know what I mean, Like,
see you tomorrow, see you tomorrow, you know what I mean.
But yeah, I just don't think that whatever it is,
they changed their mind, you change your mind, you gotta
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own it. You can't try to slither your way through
it and out of it. Like you gotta own it.
You did it, you hired him, You change your mind
and changed your mind. But don't don't act as though
you gave that man a fair opportunity to try to
rebuild this team, because we all know that that isn't
what happened. Like, regardless of what side you fall on
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in terms of if you're pro or con Urban You
didn't give him an opportunity, a fair opportunity. That's what
I don't get about this whole thing. And and you know,
I was asked about the people on social media get
upset about it, but the reality is, like, I'm just
being objective. I don't have a dog in the fight.
I don't. But when you look at how and it's
not just urban Meyer it was, it's every college coach.
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It's every college coach that comes up to that level.
They don't want to be looked at as a guy
who can be successful at that level. And yes there
are differences, but if you give anyone thirteen games, they're
not turning around the Jaguars organization at thirteen games. I'm sorry,
I don't care how good they are. Look at the
Cincinnati Bengals. I mean, urban Meyer had more credentials in
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a resume that Zach Taylor did when he was hired.
Yet Zach Taylor was given what three years, and now
you're finally seeing them at this point climb on top
of the a f C. North after they've spent draft classes,
free agency periods, all that to get it to this point.
I mean, it takes time folks, and like, I don't
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care who you're talking about, it might take a little
extra time for a college coach to be able to
figure it out and get it the way he needs
it to be to be successful. So you can blame
urban Meyer talk about you know, its culture doesn't work now,
it doesn't work at this level. It just didn't happen.
He didn't have enough time to get it to where
he needs to be to be successful like he did
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other places. That's the reality of it. And even for
his staff for the most part, which I think that's
one of the things that when you think about how
this thing fell apart, he didn't really didn't work with
any of these guys. He hired a bunch of guys
who had NFL credentials instead of basically trying to bring
along which and that's, by the way, that is one
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of the reasons why you see NFL coaches recycled time
and time and time again, because they're loyal to each other.
But when you got a guy who's an outsider that
comes in and he starts coaching in a manner that
they don't like because they're not winning, guess what happens.
They start to look to survive, to make sure that
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they still have a job next year, or they still
have a job the coming season. And that's why you
see a lot of NFL coaches when they get a job,
they hire guys they're close to, guys they know. So
when when things get tough, you're not gonna hear all
these leaks and all these different things coming out about
who's to blame, because that's what starts happening. That's what
happened in Jacksonville unfortunately, and by the way, there would
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have been massive overall on that staff in the off season.
Something they grabbing life before you get me. But the
problem is some of those dudes grab pick axes and
they started trying to take down that boat, but more
holes and then they grabbed a life vest to jump off. Uh,
that's what they tolls in the safety and the life
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get your podcast. You know what, it's awesome. Two games
on Monday Night football to look. I was piste off.
They didn't have two games the opening week of Monday
Night Football. They normally did that. This year they didn't.
Last year. We had a couple of weeks where there
were two games. I think it's fantastic getting to see
and plus, Monday night football on the East Coast is
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kind of a grind because the game doesn't kick off
to like almost eight thirty. Uh. Now you guys get
to see how the other side lives, Brady. Now, now
you get to see what it's like to be able
to watch a game at five o'clock with the Browns
and the Raiders. You're welcome. Now you can live like us.
I was just gonna say that that's like, the nice
thing about this is you get to basically get off
work and you got football on baby, a nationally televised game.
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I love him. These coasts gets a little bit of
a taste of what it's like to live on the
West Coast. Um. I know this game being moved was controversial,
and I get it because Roger Goodell and the NFL
it took a really hard stance before the season started,
saying that they were not going to postpone or reschedule games.
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The team that was dealing with COVID issues would have
to forfeit. And so you've got a lot to upset
Raider players who are like, man, this is what you
said before the season. We've done our part, and now
you've got a team deal with this, and just because
it's a team that we're competing with to try to
stay in the playoff hunt, like you you're just you're
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gonna go ahead and move the game for them. So
so I understand like the hypocrisy of it from the
NFL and Roger Goodell, but I also think much like
we saw last year during COVID, in a year without
a vaccine, we had to adapt we had to adjust.
Hence while we got a game on Tuesday, and probably
why you know, they felt comfortable with putting another game
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in prime time on Tuesday this week. But in regards
to this game, I think the interesting part about it,
as far as why they've gone about changing some of
the rules of their COVID policy, is exactly what I've
been saying for the past week. And I know people
get upset about this on social media, and I don't
personally give a crap. I really don't. I don't care
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if people get upset when I say this, But if
you're asymptomatic, are you sick? And the NFL came to
that conclusion with vaccinated players, they will eventually come to
the conclusion probably a year or two from now, with
non vacted guys, saying, look, if they're asymptomatic, they're not
at risk of passing on whatever they have via the
COVID flu whatever else, because we've dealt with this in
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the past, and so now if they're asymptomatic, they're not
gonna be tested. So only if they show symptoms. If
you're a vaccinated player, which the vast majority of players
are vaccinated in the league, exception of Antonio Brown and
a couple of others. You know, those guys are no
longer going to be subject to testing like we've seen
in the past. Now, unvaccinated guys obviously still to go
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through the daily testing. But I've been saying this for
a while now, and it all comes down to whether
or not you're showing symptoms. I think the only concern,
and it is a legit concern, is if guys would
hide the fact that they've got symptoms in order to
avoid testing and potentially being put on the COVID list. Yeah,
there's a there's a lot to you know. The most
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interesting coincidence of this all is that it would happen
the week of vacation, of holiday vacation, like this didn't
happen any other week, but the week where like, you
know what, I'm super excited about these games today because
I don't have to rush home and take kids to school,
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worry about going to pick them up from school. People
don't have work right now, Some people do, some people don't.
As an applies to taking your kids to school, at
least out here on the West Coast, kids started there.
There there's uh winter break vacations are this week? Are
you saying planned? I'm not going to say that. I
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do believe East Coast schools still have a few more
days of school left, which is interesting. They're done to
are do you find out to be attack that that
this whole COVID thing decides to hit and you get
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games on different days the week that you don't have
to be running around every which direction to get your
kids from school. School sports, sports that sports that school.
Well there's still that, but it's not school. It's win
or break. Imagine if your chick or your loved one,
is your guy is a school teacher, administrator, or a
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principle of some sort. No school. I'm just saying, man,
that's the largest population, right, is the school population, not
the workforce. It's the school. So the schools are out,
just saying, man, could be a correlation. COVID was waiting
for winter break? Yeah, especially in school? Did Brady here
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that too? Rovererto you want to let you know? I
let Brady in on that. Clear that up, make sure
everybody's represented here on the show. Yeah, well he's not wrong.
I just want to point that out. You're all in
trust me. I've been doing enough Phineas to realize, well,
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this family is huge, so yeah, that's extends, but I
don't that's true, man Like, Look, it is ridiculous. I
I don't have a close relationship or a friendly relationship.
That's a family with one cousin, not one cousin. I
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don't have the phone number of a single cousin in
my family. And I have a big family, but my
wife's family man numbers an. Everybody understood what Janess just
did to yall me. I really wish you could understand, man,
you know. And then and then Burt to is in
on it, so he's not going to hit the button,
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so everybody is aware of it. But it's all right. Hey,
what did you guys think of Mike Florio's report last
night on Sunday Night Football? Whereas like, you know, there's
some growing concerns and league circles that you know, players
might try and hide their symptoms so they don't miss time.
Well he was listening, I know, I know. But the
idea that this hasn't happened for hundreds of years and
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every walk of life, it wasn't. Hines War pretended like
he had a toe injury when he got dinged so
that he could stay on the field. This is this
is going to happen so the so if we're gonna,
like all of a sudden, maybe call people reckless or
attack people's character because they're trying to stay in the game.
Like this has happened for years, years upon years. People
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have done this in the NFL. It's not anything new.
It's just a way for people to bitch and moan
and grandstand when they feel like somebody's doing something different
that they don't believe. Took you out of context when
I saw that message, I thought you were just talking
about society in general hiding their symptoms. Yeah, but it
has happened. There's a lot of people. But you went
direct to football the which I'm proud that you were
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on that because I think, like I think, getting different dimensions,
you know what I mean. I'm glad yours was predictable. Yeah,
thank you. I appreciate its good. I mean, it's not
a bad thing to be literal, nothing like you know,
being called a simpleton here on the air and so
many I didn't call you a simple I just thought
that you were speaking in in a broad stroke of
that's societal You think like. I was like, dang, Jonnest,
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that's deep. You think all I do is sitt in
the lab and watch the All twenty two. I was
just like I was sitting there, Brady. I looked at it.
I was like, man, like Joni has just dropped like
a jewel on us. Like man, people had had their
symptoms like since forever. I was like, I started thinking
back to people being in the fields. I started thinking
about you know, civil rights and all kinds of I started,
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I started going through all these different things, you know,
and then it was like, man, then you just said
today it was like heinz War faced the toe injury
when it was really a concussion. I was like, oh,
he was literal. Yeah, I just want to keep it. Yeah,
you know, he met that more. It was more literal.
That's cool, that's cool. No, there's nothing wrong with that.
I just think I think it's interesting that they changed
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course so drastically, and yet again it's like another way
because when they said what they said before the season,
it was all in an effort to get more players vaccinated.
That that's why they said, like, look, we're not gonna postpone,
We're not going to reschedule, it'll be a forfeiture. That's
what the NFL and Roger Goodell said, and that was
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all to scare teams to encourage players to get vaccinated.
Every everything about the protocols and not having to do
daily testing like they did a year ago, all had
to do with that. So I sit there and just
say to myself, this is no different because the unvaccinated
players still have to go through daily testing. They'll still
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have to go through some of those same protocols to
come back to play at least once they get on
the other side, if they test positive for COVID. Meanwhile,
like there's it's nothing for the vaccinating players, Like they
don't have to test. If they don't if they don't
face any symptoms, they don't have to test. And So
even though I do I do think it's a step
in the right direction as to how it's the NFL
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is always operated throughout the years, I do, I do
feel like there's an element of this is still all
about trying to ensure that however, many percentage of guys
aren't get vaccinated at this point, although I mean now
now it's now now we're on the vaccinated guys getting boosters.
I mean, at least the staff and so forth, unvacces
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is way behind you. You gotta catch up. So it's
it's again it's a step in the right direction. That
there's still a lot of work to be done, at
least in regards to how we get players back. But
the concerned about players hiding stuff, I mean, that's always
been the case because if you're gonna take away their
ability to play and do what they love or helps
them make a big income. Yeah, of course you're gonna
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get guys who try to manipulate the system. That that's
just a product of what it is. I mean, it's
not like this isn't a league of rule breakers anyway.
Teams are always kind of operating in the gray, you know,
in order to find an edge, and so yeah, if
if they can, I'm sure there's gonna be players who
abuse that. But that's always been the case. So we're
gonna make a big deal about it now. It's so dope.
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It's just an opportunity for like I said, people to
grandstand people, to to get their How dare he you know,
he he knew he would, He had the sniffles, and
he still showed up to play a football game. Yeah,
guys are playing with played with blown out knees, have
played with concussion, to play with all sorts of issues
like this is this is no different than what has
happened in the league for a long long time. I
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