October 11, 2024 • 48 mins
It’s a Football Friday on 2 Pros and a Cup of Joe, and the 49ers take the lead in the NFC West with a win over the Seahawks. Joe Burrow adapts to a new normal with his wrist after surgery and the Jets pursue their next head coach.
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
It's the best of two pros and a couple Joe
with Lamar Ar, Rady Winn and Jonas Knox on Box
four Radio.
Speaker 2 (00:13):
How we feeling here on a Friday morning?
Speaker 3 (00:15):
Good morning, feeling great? Ready to go?
Speaker 2 (00:18):
Man?
Speaker 4 (00:18):
Yeah, Var called it last night. He called a shot.
Speaker 3 (00:22):
He was very.
Speaker 5 (00:22):
Emboldened in calling a shot. Hey, I never have a
problem when I'm wrong.
Speaker 3 (00:28):
Good. Good for the forty nine ers.
Speaker 5 (00:29):
I mean, I didn't think that they had enough firepower
to go into the twelfth Man Stadium. But obviously the
twelfth Man isn't what it used to be. Should be
ashamed of yourself. What's it called now?
Speaker 3 (00:41):
Lumen?
Speaker 4 (00:41):
Is that what it is? It gets the sponsor? Now,
I don't know, don't care, damn don't care.
Speaker 6 (00:48):
Well, as I said before, you know, sometimes history tends
to repeat itself, right, So after watching the New York
Giants dice up the Seattle Seahawks defense and then San
Francisco rip off four hundred and eighty three total yards
last night, it felt like, yeah, this is this is
a problem for Seattle. Is a problem last year. It's
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been a problem this year. They've been able to cover
it up at times because of the performance of their offense,
but this defense is banged up and it's just not
very good. And the only thing that even made the
score look as close as it did last night was
the forty nine ers that ability to cap off drives.
I mean, last night they were three for five in
the red zone, but they still struggled their first two.
They had to kick field goals, and obviously Jake Moody's
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banged up, so they've got a backup kicker in there, but.
Speaker 4 (01:34):
He did fine.
Speaker 6 (01:35):
It's just this team is one of the best teams
in the NFC, hands down, and in the NFL for
that matter. And I kind of talked to beginning of
the season as the injuries mounted for like Christian McCaffrey
and then Deebo Samuel missed a little bit of time,
and obviously, you know, George Kitto kind of missed a
little bit. But this is a great opportunity for brock
Perty to prove why he should be paid the likes
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of a sixty summer let's just say fifty million plus
a year contract.
Speaker 4 (02:02):
And folks, he is playing lights out.
Speaker 5 (02:06):
I'll just say Geno Smith, if he protects the ball
on that that last interception, the Seattle Seahawks may win
that game by at least one point, which at the
end of the day, they don't cover. They don't cover anyway.
Speaker 2 (02:25):
Well, but they would. They were three to that point
underdogs at home.
Speaker 3 (02:28):
Yeah, but I said they would.
Speaker 5 (02:29):
Oh oh, they were underdogs, which makes it hurt anymore
even more to be honest.
Speaker 3 (02:34):
Oh yeah, they actually lost twelve.
Speaker 5 (02:36):
So anyway, I figured that they would win. And I
felt like that was the most pivotal moment of maybe
not even pivotal, maybe defining moment of the game because
they put them in position to score they got the
touchdown with kiddles are blaming it on a geno. I'm
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i'm I think that interception was way too It came
out way too critical moment and.
Speaker 3 (03:04):
In the game.
Speaker 2 (03:05):
I know this is, yes, what sins West Virginia, West
Virginia Pennsylvania rival.
Speaker 5 (03:10):
There it is. I knew it was going to reservice again.
Oh boy, this is this is what y'all do. Y'all
try to play us against each other, you know what
I mean? Like that's im y'all, y'all want to say things.
I thought you take each other and say. Kyle Shanahan
forty nine ers, But you didn't.
Speaker 3 (03:28):
They did. They needed to win the game.
Speaker 5 (03:30):
They needed this game really really really really really really bad.
They needed it badly. They needed it so bad. Because
their record isn't isn't obviously a reflection of how good
the team is or could be.
Speaker 3 (03:47):
So just based off of what I have been feeling.
Speaker 5 (03:51):
About and seeing with the forty nine ers, I did
not think that they would go into Seattle and win.
Speaker 3 (03:57):
I just did not.
Speaker 5 (03:59):
I thought there would be too much offense from Seattle,
and at times there was, I mean dk Metcalfs touchdown
gets called back. I mean there were there were moments
where I felt like, and I go, I will go
back to the interception.
Speaker 4 (04:15):
But Sam, you're on the right side, on the wrong
side of this bet.
Speaker 3 (04:20):
I'm not pulling a Pete Pritty.
Speaker 2 (04:22):
It's a great way to get lost lost. It makes
you feel better. You look back at a bet you
got wrong and you go to do it all over again.
Speaker 4 (04:30):
I do the same thing.
Speaker 6 (04:31):
Can I give you, guys, I would I would not
another example of why maybe it's a little foolscold And
look at the Seattle Shawks.
Speaker 4 (04:39):
Record, because look, a five hundred record six games.
Speaker 6 (04:42):
In the season is not that bad, right, Like you
could be the Bengals, you could be the Browns, you
could be a number of other teams, the Panthers who
are really in they have no hopes whatsoever this early
in the season. Five hundred is not bad at all.
Here's the only problem about that five hundred record A lot.
You beat Denver to start the season bow knicks, right,
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rookie quarterback first start, like close game. So even though
the defense for Denver's playing great and one of the
best in the NFL right now and they've continued to improve,
kind of took advantage of a rookie quarterback for a start.
Then you go to New England, you win overtime, and
they're not very good.
Speaker 3 (05:22):
Not no, not at all.
Speaker 5 (05:24):
No.
Speaker 6 (05:24):
And then you beat Miami handily. You handily beat Miami,
but that was not a two tongue of Iloa led
tore No.
Speaker 4 (05:30):
That was Skyler Thompson.
Speaker 6 (05:32):
And then you've gotten beat by double digits or more
than a touchdown, let's say, two scores the last three weeks.
Speaker 5 (05:42):
I don't I don't dispute that point. I think it's
a point that's well taken. All I'm saying is they
could have pulled that game out by one point. If
Geno Smith doesn't turn the ball over and and I
mean they were they in their own get fired up.
(06:02):
They were in the Niners red zone and turned the
ball over.
Speaker 3 (06:05):
I mean I saw what he was saying.
Speaker 7 (06:08):
But there was definite was definitely to let go too late.
You let the ball go too late?
Speaker 3 (06:14):
Like that was an easy one.
Speaker 2 (06:16):
But doesn't the way San Francisco ice the game warm
your heart? A little bit of school football, felt a
little football. Are you feeling about a full back dive
to go ahead and put them in their cast?
Speaker 3 (06:30):
Come on, casket, damn. I mean you know, I was
really really watching.
Speaker 5 (06:41):
Bar and and hoping, just for the sake of not
having to deal with this today, that my prediction the
way to get done.
Speaker 2 (06:52):
You know, if you if you need any help, if
you need any help on what to do when things
go poorly with a bet, you just let me know
for a second.
Speaker 6 (07:01):
Yes, I'm watching everything right, I'm watching Thursday night football.
I'm watching the college football games. Shoutouts to LA Tech
taking care of business versus Middle Tennessee State.
Speaker 4 (07:11):
Sorry Jonas, but.
Speaker 6 (07:14):
I'm watching James Madison absolutely throttle Coastal Carolina, and then
around the middle to the end of the third quarter,
they just put on the brakes. They're just like, eh,
we're good, we're good with the beat down so far.
We don't need to carry this thing too much further
into the fourth quarter. And so the meat wagon hits.
Speaker 3 (07:34):
Me up yesterday.
Speaker 4 (07:35):
He's like, hey, give me a bed for tonight, and
I'm like, well, I was like, ye always didn't listen
to the show. I gave you three.
Speaker 6 (07:41):
I go, I feel pretty good about all three, but
I go, I think the over of sixty feels like
the best, you know, based on how things are going,
and based on how the first half of that game
went between James Madison and Coastal Carolina, I'm like, all right,
Coast to Carolina might get there. Excuse me, James Madison
might get there on their own. But it's like, at
one point of second half, it felt like Coast of
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Carolina gave up. They just couldn't take care of the football.
And then James Madison just kind of was like, all right,
we're good, we're good here. We don't need to prove
too much more of a point, which is surprisingly because
not saying that they could beat that team that makes
as a group of five. But you know, they're a
team that I think with one loss, baby Conference champ,
maybe they find their way up in there. They have
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beat some power for teams. Anyway, my general point is,
didn't hit the over. I ended up going two and
one last night. Obviously James Madison covered easily the nine
and a half, and obviously San Francisco covered. But the
one bet and we all got a friend like this,
the one bet I give out happens to be the
one that doesn't hit.
Speaker 4 (08:42):
And do you think I'm gonna hear about anything other
than that bet?
Speaker 2 (08:45):
Yeah, it's the worst.
Speaker 4 (08:46):
It's the worst. It's the worst.
Speaker 6 (08:47):
And the meat Wagon's gonna be complaining about it. He'll
probably come by for Sunday dinner and he'll be complaining
about it there to my in laws.
Speaker 4 (08:55):
It's gonna be a whole thing.
Speaker 6 (08:56):
I might as welluch to give him twenty bucks to
cover his bet and so it can stop bitching and moaning.
Speaker 4 (09:01):
About this in this way.
Speaker 2 (09:02):
By the way, how many pieces of chicken palm does
he pipe down on a Sunday night?
Speaker 4 (09:06):
Not as much as you know what, Jake would Excuse
me me, why can the Bee whoa.
Speaker 6 (09:14):
Little drafts very disappointing when he gets about two plates,
but like it's not as much as you think he'd
get that.
Speaker 8 (09:21):
That's like a luchator loses his mask, Like wait on that, stuy.
He looks like okay, but yeah, he'll put a bottle
of wine. That's for sure me too.
Speaker 5 (09:32):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (09:32):
Well it's like, uh, you know officiating, you know, like
they'll get every call right except for the one, and
they get buried for the one call. And uh, I
would like to say this.
Speaker 4 (09:41):
I mean, I'll take two in one compared to Knox locks.
That's all I say.
Speaker 2 (09:44):
Oh, you know what, that's enough. I have not had
a losing record in three weeks too, No three, this
week's going to be a loser.
Speaker 3 (09:51):
I was one.
Speaker 2 (09:52):
I was one one in one this past week and
I lost because of a hook. So that shouldn't even count.
The review of the muffed punt, which clearly indicated that
the ball hit the guy trying to feel the punt
for Seattle, the ball hit his finger, and.
Speaker 5 (10:11):
It was clearly if it's not a penalty on the
guy hitting the receiver, it should have been San Francisco's ball.
Speaker 2 (10:23):
So Kyle Shannan was asked about that afterwards because they
wanted to know it looked pretty obvious.
Speaker 4 (10:30):
What were you told?
Speaker 2 (10:31):
Here's what he had to say.
Speaker 3 (10:32):
What were you told in terms of what angle they saw?
Speaker 4 (10:34):
Whoever you know, let you know, and then what was
the explanation that they did.
Speaker 9 (10:37):
It was awesome by him because he said he could
tell by how the guy's hand moved that the ball
hit him and then that's all he saw. But it
was he could one hundred percent see the ball, but
he said, you could tell how the hand moved. And
with it being Thursday Night Football, I thought for sure
they'd have a bunch of camera angles. So once he
believed that it happened, we threw it, thinking we get
(10:57):
some better angles. And then they just told me that
he didn't. And then about two minutes later, two minutes later,
I heard all the guys in the box at freaking
out saying they saw on another angle and.
Speaker 4 (11:07):
It wasn't fumbled. So the official told you that they didn't.
Speaker 9 (11:10):
Have They only know what they see, so they didn't
see I think what everyone else saw on TV.
Speaker 2 (11:15):
So how the hell do the Thursday Night Football crew
have the better angle than the people that are hired
to actually review the calls if there's a miscall.
Speaker 6 (11:26):
So first off, everything centralized back to New York, so
New York is really the one that you know, will
all be helping to make this call. The second thing
is the TV networks are the ones providing the angles.
They're the ones who bring in the TV the cameras
to be able to.
Speaker 3 (11:42):
Have all this.
Speaker 6 (11:42):
The problem is is sometimes it's hard to be able
to find all of the angles. There's technical issues, there's
things that take time. We don't want to slow down
the game. So there's this thought to you know, give
us all the angles you got, and it might be
this might be the best one we've got, or it
might take time to get the better angle to show it.
That's part of the issue with the whole process. It's
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one of the reasons why I wish more often than
not they would just go to break.
Speaker 4 (12:08):
It would be like an.
Speaker 6 (12:09):
Industry standard for the networks just to go to break
during a review process. You can touch on a little
bit before the break, touch on it coming back, but
it give you this like four minute window where the
truck has time. And in the case that it's an
issue with New York, it's an issue with the truck
not being able to find all the angles that you
need or everything they have, because that's unfortunately what happens
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is once things slow down, they're able to go back
and look and say, oh my gosh, look this is
the drama of the game.
Speaker 4 (12:39):
So that is an essence how that can happen.
Speaker 2 (12:42):
Yeah, because it was is Terry McAuley, who's the guy
who is on is the rules analyst for Amazon Prime,
whoever the hell it is, He basically said that, you know,
he spoke with Walt Anderson back in New York and
they just said, well, we didn't have as good of
a camera angle as you guys had.
Speaker 4 (12:58):
What hold on second the same thing, it's a good one.
Speaker 2 (13:03):
I mean, so if you take the four minute break
or you go to break, I mean, it's not like,
you know, you couldn't you know, put together or come
up with some sort of a company that wants to
get their business promoter. You could do ads, you could
do whatever. Like, it's an opportunity there to get the
call right. But they don't want to get the call
right because you know, it takes too long. It just
there's still holes in the whole thing. I mean, ultimately
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it didn't matter because they ended up winning the game,
But there's just holes in the whole thing that don't
make sense from time to time, and you would feel
like they would have a button up at this point,
but apparently they don't.
Speaker 6 (13:34):
That was one of those instances too, where you thought
San Francisco would even take care of the game, even even.
Speaker 4 (13:39):
Further, you know, yeah, even further that.
Speaker 6 (13:42):
Case, Yeah, like then then they wouldn't Those like turnovers
and stuff really didn't even matter for Gino.
Speaker 4 (13:47):
It's like it was so out of hand.
Speaker 2 (13:48):
And then because it becomes the question isn't the question
isn't can Seattle get within three and a half, it's
can they get within thirty and a half? Like based
on how that would have gone, because it would have
been such a blowout and like such a drastic difference.
Speaker 4 (14:01):
In it mean, not even close.
Speaker 5 (14:02):
Geez what And yet that interception by Geno Smith at
that moment in time of the game, they were heading
in for the second touchdown of what of that quarter? No,
was it the second of that quarter? Something to that effect.
I know they had just had I think they had
just they had just started to have success in moving
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the ball and scoring.
Speaker 7 (14:27):
They brought it down to what six six points? It
was six point game.
Speaker 5 (14:33):
If they score, they take a one point lead, they
take a one point lead. But Gino threw the ball away.
They were already in scoring position pretty much from the
interception and Kittle gets in.
Speaker 3 (14:46):
That's the biggest part of the game.
Speaker 7 (14:49):
And that punt.
Speaker 3 (14:49):
That punt was pretty bad. That was pretty bad.
Speaker 4 (14:52):
Was the other thing?
Speaker 6 (14:53):
Is anything about two point conversion two? And it really
could have been worse, you know where it seemed even
more oudeated, like because because they responded, they brought it
back with a score, and then you know, San Francisco
did what they did.
Speaker 4 (15:06):
I mean, I mean, really the scor should be worse.
They dominate.
Speaker 6 (15:09):
I mean, there was never a point where I felt
like San Francisco couldn't just go down.
Speaker 4 (15:13):
The field if they wanted to. It was like only
like they were stopping themselves, you know.
Speaker 5 (15:17):
Yeah, yeah, they got a couple of good stops though
when they needed them, and they put them in position
to be able to try to eke out a victory.
They just didn't do it want me. They didn't want
me to be able to come in and gloat over
what took place last evening.
Speaker 6 (15:34):
So I agree, I think you should talk to Mike McDonald.
Maybe it's that that that Michigan Penn State thing.
Speaker 5 (15:40):
He just a little He looked a little upset too
after that interception. You know, it looked like he had
a few choice things to say. Behind is behind his place? Yeah,
var So are you fired up a little bit this morning?
I can kind of tell you got the juices flowing,
you're ready to go? You know, I got home late
last night. I am a dad that has a Division
(16:02):
one volleyball player. L m U beat San Diego last night. Yeah,
so shouts out to Hank's house, Loola Marymont.
Speaker 4 (16:13):
Yeah, Hank's a good.
Speaker 3 (16:15):
Guy, Ain't I hear anymore? Oh? Damn Hank, Hank going?
Speaker 2 (16:20):
R I P Hank?
Speaker 3 (16:21):
Yeah, aink going.
Speaker 7 (16:23):
Hank Gathers is who I'm talking about, by the way,
him and Bo Kimball. You know, they made lm U
kind of you know, famous, good team, very good team,
you know.
Speaker 4 (16:33):
Uh yeah, he told me that's a good looking team,
is what he said.
Speaker 5 (16:37):
That's the least s out of my ear, the basketball
team or the volleyball I think the volleyball well, you know,
I got creeped out when I posted my daughter on
one of my daughters on I got creeped out because
somebody was like, man, what a good looking daughter.
Speaker 3 (16:55):
First time.
Speaker 5 (16:59):
I don't think it was you kind of got that
in your bag though a little bit. You know, it's horrible, man,
it's it's God's humor. He gave me some really, really
really beautiful daughters. It's God's humor. So it is what
it is, also God's humor. In case you were wondering, Uh,
let's play a little game real quickly.
Speaker 4 (17:18):
Some game show music.
Speaker 3 (17:19):
Okay, come on, let's get it.
Speaker 4 (17:20):
Is it possibly get some game show music?
Speaker 2 (17:22):
Yeah, of course, we've got a live studio band.
Speaker 3 (17:24):
Even get it. Question? There it is.
Speaker 4 (17:25):
That's my favorite one too. This is the best one,
isn't it?
Speaker 3 (17:27):
All right? Yeah? Yeah stink, yeah I do thinks.
Speaker 6 (17:32):
Okay, let's play a game of who is that San
Francisco running back that almost went for one hundred yards
last night?
Speaker 3 (17:39):
Not the one you thought.
Speaker 6 (17:41):
It's not Jor Mason. Surely not Christian McCaffrey. We know
he's also spending some time trying to rehab those achilles.
I'm going to butcher his last name, but he came
from Louisville. It's Isaac or roriendo is grendo? Is that
how you prounson? I could have pronounced back in that Louisville.
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I just I remember he just completely blitzed Notre Dame
and tore us up that again.
Speaker 2 (18:06):
And by the way, Kyle Shannon trying to say afterwards,
he was probably being a smart ass, but trying to
say that he intentionally slid so that George so that
Kyle Ustchek could get a rushing touchdown. My ass if
I'm on the sprint and I run a fourth rookie,
if I run a four to three, I'm going to
the end zone.
Speaker 7 (18:23):
I was trying to understand why he slid. He didn't
get caught.
Speaker 3 (18:27):
He slid.
Speaker 2 (18:28):
I don't know he got tripped up at first.
Speaker 3 (18:30):
Nah, he slid.
Speaker 2 (18:31):
You guys never had a touchdown in his career. He's
a rookie. Runs a four to three like he got,
he got caught.
Speaker 3 (18:36):
They're trying to.
Speaker 5 (18:37):
Spin it the wrong decision. He was trying to ice
the game. And in my mind, in my mind, I
was like, why is he trying to ice the game?
If you just run it in like even if even
if Seattle were to use the clock to try to score,
y'all get the ball back.
Speaker 6 (18:56):
What'd you think that game? What'd you think too, you'd
get closer to the one yard line.
Speaker 3 (19:02):
I mean there's that slit.
Speaker 7 (19:04):
I don't know why he slid. I don't know why
slid off the clock.
Speaker 2 (19:09):
Yeah, he take more time because he got caught and
he runs a four to three and he shouldn't be
getting caught. That's one either way.
Speaker 6 (19:14):
It's amazing how they just pull running back after running back,
after running back in the system.
Speaker 3 (19:21):
Point a couple of weeks ago.
Speaker 2 (19:23):
It's like his dad in Denver. Oh, oh he's injured.
Speaker 3 (19:28):
I'll don't worry. Way.
Speaker 6 (19:29):
This is coming off a comment made by our very
own Jewel Klatt to Colin Coward about how coaching doesn't matter, which.
Speaker 4 (19:38):
We need to get to at some point, because, oh
my goodness.
Speaker 2 (19:42):
I try to tell you there's only one JKS that
deserves respect. I tried to after this comment.
Speaker 3 (19:47):
I don't.
Speaker 4 (19:47):
I don't think you're wrong. I don't think you're wrong.
I think somebod needs to kick the j the other
JKS to the curb.
Speaker 2 (19:52):
After that, it is two pros and a cup of
Joe here on Fox Sports Radio, LeVar Arrington, Brady Quinn,
Jonas NOTx with you, by the way, I was gonna
mention this, yere. I know we're late, but really really.
Speaker 4 (20:02):
It's okay, import it really is LeVar, would you do
the honors?
Speaker 7 (20:06):
It's a football Friday, Yeah, Friday.
Speaker 3 (20:14):
Let's do it. It's Friday minute. Need to throw the
into Thursday so I could come.
Speaker 7 (20:21):
Into date and talk about come on, come on, do it,
do it?
Speaker 1 (20:27):
Do it?
Speaker 3 (20:28):
Do it, do it? Do it? Yeah, come on, let's
let's do it. Let's do it. Let's do it. All right,
all right, all right, let's do it for Eddie. Let's
do it for Eddie Garcia.
Speaker 5 (20:43):
Friday Night is a football Friday.
Speaker 3 (20:47):
Lost football Friday. Quick do it? Check out rock Let's
do It from bah Frat Oh sorry.
Speaker 10 (21:02):
Be sure to catch live editions of Two Pros and
a Cup of Joe with Brady Quinn, LeVar Errington, and
Jonas Knox weekdays at six am Eastern three am Pacific
on Fox Sports Radio and the iHeartRadio app.
Speaker 2 (21:15):
So talking a lot about Thursday night football earlier in
the show. Yeah he's getting Seattle Seahawks. Dang gino By
the way, did anybody on the show have the Niners
in the Super Bowl?
Speaker 3 (21:29):
Uh?
Speaker 4 (21:30):
We should have. Do you feel like Baby Var picked Gino?
Speaker 6 (21:34):
Not necessarily because you were kind of playing this whole
West Virginia Penn State thing. I was thinking maybe because
of the the cornerback announcment with Cooper degene now starting
oh yeah for the Eagles and sending Riley Moss now,
maybe maybe it was more of that that side of
things for Var.
Speaker 3 (21:48):
You know, Yeah, I have no problem with those guys.
Speaker 5 (21:53):
Yeah, I don't know you guys making adension to bring
those those types of conversations to the forefront of We're
just having fun with what we're doing.
Speaker 4 (22:01):
Yeah, we're just having fun, you know.
Speaker 6 (22:06):
I mean, I'll put I'll put this out there. We're
here in Provo, Utah, getting ready for big noon kickoff.
It leads into Washington versus Iowa. However, they the crew
will be here for a big Saturday Joel Klatt, Gus Johnson,
Jenny Taff they'll be here for the Arizona BYU game.
(22:28):
And BYU has a quarterback named Jake rhetz Laf who
is the first Jewish quarterback ever at b YU.
Speaker 4 (22:37):
So There's been a lot of discussion about his path.
It's very interesting. I mean, he he's got a very unique.
Speaker 6 (22:44):
Path just how he got to b yuh playing a
multiple uh community college, you know Juco's and then in
his decision to come here, in the impact of you know,
his faith and the faith obviously at b YU, it's
been interesting. I mean, look, they're one of the better
stories in college football. The picked to finish i think
what thirteenth or whatever it was in the Big Twelve
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this year, and they've they've found a way to be
undefeated at this point with the shot of going and
playing for a national championship in the College Faball playoffs.
So it's one of those incredible stories that college football
tends to find.
Speaker 4 (23:18):
Every single year.
Speaker 6 (23:20):
And at least at this juncture, the BYU looks to
be one of those teams man that that may be
in the driver's seat here the Big Twelve.
Speaker 2 (23:26):
Do people have an issue with him being Jewish and
being the quarterback.
Speaker 4 (23:30):
There or no, there's no issue, which it's just a rarity.
Speaker 5 (23:33):
Yeah, well, I mean think about do people have issues
with guys that aren't you know, Catholic that go to
Notre Dame.
Speaker 6 (23:39):
Well, we had guys who were Jovah's witness that went
to I mean, my roommate, one of my backups was
a Jovah's witness.
Speaker 4 (23:47):
So there you talk about the difference in faith.
Speaker 6 (23:50):
And I remember one of the one of the players
who was Jovah's witness during mass, because we'd have mass
right before the games, he would actually take a nap
in the confessional booth, so someone would just knock on
the door.
Speaker 4 (24:04):
He'd pop out.
Speaker 3 (24:08):
Stop sitting so much. That's so funny.
Speaker 4 (24:12):
Yeah, when.
Speaker 2 (24:16):
At school, you know, I also think the I also
think the everything changed when Jim McMahon went to b
y U. You know that guy. Yeah, it's like, you
don't have to be one way in order to be
accepted here. If you can sling it, you can sling it.
Because Jim Common was definitely there's been a.
Speaker 4 (24:35):
Pretty big gap between Jake Rett's laughing Jim McMahon.
Speaker 2 (24:39):
Well, I'm just saying, like, I think he was the
one who started the whole trend towards it.
Speaker 6 (24:43):
He started it, and then there was like a thirty
five year gap, and now it's kicking back in again.
Speaker 2 (24:46):
That's correct, That is correct.
Speaker 4 (24:48):
That's great analysis.
Speaker 6 (24:49):
And by the way, it's almost like you like like
you're in Sino man, like you woke up in a
frozen ice cube and you all of a sudden just
got thought out like the seventies and eighties.
Speaker 2 (24:58):
Because I don't want you to steal that take and
use it tomorrow on Big New Kickoff.
Speaker 4 (25:02):
Okay, how would I ever steal because.
Speaker 2 (25:05):
Because you know that was piping hot. You know that
was piping hot. Here's what else is piping hot? Joe
Burrow after a five touchdown performance against the Baltimore Ravens
at the end of the year. Forget about the fact
that they lost that game, which is crazy. Yeah, it's
sure is man not for some of us still pisses
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me off. But Joe Burrow was speaking recently about the
recovery from his injury. He spoke about this with the
media and said, well, listen, I mean he's getting there,
but he's still got.
Speaker 3 (25:38):
A ways to go. Something quite throwing it the way
that I would like.
Speaker 2 (25:42):
You know, I'm making good decisions, I'm putting the ball
where I want to know.
Speaker 7 (25:45):
I still think there's another level of improvement.
Speaker 3 (25:48):
That I can get to come back from injury. On
Bob Location and spin rate and all that.
Speaker 1 (25:53):
So that's going to continue to get better as I
get healthier, and so there's there's always another.
Speaker 3 (25:57):
Level to find.
Speaker 2 (25:59):
So Joe Burr discussing is recovery from injury.
Speaker 4 (26:03):
Yeah, I gotta be honest, I don't know that it's
ever gonna be what it was.
Speaker 3 (26:08):
You know.
Speaker 6 (26:09):
The truth of the matter is when you go through
injuries and LeVar you can obviously speak to this too.
You know, your body changes and you kind of just
adapt to a new normal. I always, you know, kind
of question and wonder when people are like, oh, it's gonna,
you know, feel like this after such a long period
of time, I'm like, well, is it going to feel
like that? Because my body's adapted to whatever that new
normal is and how it feels.
Speaker 3 (26:31):
You know.
Speaker 6 (26:31):
I fractured my right index finger my second year in
the league, and they had to put pins in and
they had to stay in for six weeks. So they
cast it, they put these pins in, and then eventually
they take the cast off and they they take the
pins out, and then you start literally rehabbing my right
index finger. I mean, the problem with it is is,
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you know, I tried to play the following week, so
it kind of distorted how much they could really do
to kind of make my finger back to what it
was before I'd broke it and tore off these you know,
tendons and ligaments.
Speaker 4 (27:04):
And the issue with that was is it was never
going to be the same and how it felt.
Speaker 6 (27:09):
And it doesn't sound like a big issue because it's
a right index finger, but when you're right handed and
you throw the football, that's the very last thing.
Speaker 4 (27:15):
That touches the football.
Speaker 6 (27:17):
You know, you go ask you know, any picture, any
you know, I mean, you've seen pictures go on the
r I l for a hangnail, like anything that has
to do with that that throwing hand or that right
arm is incredibly valuable. And to this day, like I
still don't have feeling in my right endex finger, the
tip of it. It never felt the same after pulling
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the pins out and rehabbing it and trying to throw again.
And I'm not saying that as you know, anything to
do with it. You know, you just got to adapt
to a new normal. That's how the game's played. But
that's the challenge for Joe Burrow is what, howeverver that
risk feels, however his throwing motion feels he's got to
keep working and finding a way of getting to his
his maximum ceiling and trying to stay there as much
as he can, despite the fact that he's gonna have
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to deal with this the rest of his career.
Speaker 3 (28:01):
Hm hm.
Speaker 2 (28:04):
Oh.
Speaker 5 (28:05):
Listen, injuries can always it does change things, and it
does complicate things. It also brings you to the realization
that you only have so much you know, you only have.
Speaker 7 (28:20):
So much time.
Speaker 5 (28:22):
And whether it's crazy because and whether you're in your
first year or your second year, if you sustain one
of those injuries that brings you to that realization, you
still have to come to the same conclusion. Ultimately, you
have to approach each day, each practice, each game like
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it could be your last. And and you know, that
was kind of something that in my mind, I said
it during the years that I played, like, oh, high
school ball. You know, the coaches say it to you
in high school, they say it to you in Little league. Actually,
I heard coaches say, you know when the day you
might not have the next you know, you might get hurt,
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you might not have this next practice to work hard,
you know, take advantage of what you got. Same thing
in high school, same thing in college. But I never
really believed it. You know, you never really believe that
something's going to alter you know, what it is that
you have going on. I wouldn't have thought that, you know,
my career would have been derailed by injury, like I heard.
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I heard so many guys say it, And for the
longest time, I'd be like, man.
Speaker 3 (29:28):
You're a loser.
Speaker 5 (29:30):
I don't care if you're a future Hall of Famer,
I don't care what you are. Like if you start
attributing why everything went wrong to an injury like chy lee,
like bruh, like take a like take a bow and
get the hell out of the way. Like that's kind
of like always was my mentality until I got hurt
and I was then I became one of them dudes.
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I was like, damn, I'm really hurt, like and this
ain't going to change and I do have to figure
out what my new normal is and I do you
have to try to strategize on what I did, man
my last two years in the National Football League, bro,
I went into the into the the into the facility.
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UH probably like to at least two hours before you
were actually supposed to start, like matriculating in just so
that I could do my whole prehab and rehab, you know,
routines contrasting you know, from stem to too specified lifts
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in the in the gym, you name it. I was
doing it, and I still blew my ass out. My
my achilles tendon still went, It still ruptured. All of
the stretching, stretching board, everything that they did, preventative data
that you name it, It still popped, you.
Speaker 3 (30:58):
Know what I mean. So I don't know how much
that applies to Joe.
Speaker 5 (31:02):
Burrow in his situation, but that the whole idea of
understanding or coming to the realization that you know, something
that you've altered isn't ever going to be what it
once was. That's a sobering moment. Man, If you really
have that true moment, it's a sobering moment.
Speaker 6 (31:22):
So the sobering moment for him has to be the
fact that you know, this is what year five for
him in the NFL. And if you go through his journey,
I mean, the reason why he ended up at LSU
is in some in some parts attributed to him injuring.
I believe it's throwing hand and like the spring and
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he couldn't you know, fully participate and compete the way
he wanted to, and so then that kind of led
to him down and then going to LSU, and thank
god he was able to be healthy for those final
two years because that made the difference in everything. I mean,
he went from you know, a guy who was kind
of forgotten about to in his first year play some
really good football in the second half the season at LSU,
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and then literally having what I would still to this
day define as the greatest singular season in college football
history for a quarterback. I mean, that offense was unbelievable
and he was unbelievable. I mean, the way they won
the national championship, the highest and everything. I mean, it
was one of the most amazing.
Speaker 4 (32:27):
Stories and performances that I had seen.
Speaker 6 (32:32):
Like I didn't I didn't know if a quarterback could
play at that high of a level for the entirety
of a season like that, through the playoff and everything.
Speaker 4 (32:41):
And he did it.
Speaker 6 (32:42):
And he eventually becomes the number one overall pick. But
then those injuries keep resurfacing, you know now in Cincinnati,
and it's just it's unfortunate, you know, but he's he's
got to find it. He's got to find a way
of overcoming that and adapting to a new normal. It's
no different than when you're playing with the injury. You know,
you got to go out there and figure out like
what you have, what you don't have, and you know,
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almost like a picture on the mound, like some days
you're not going to have some of those off speed pitches.
You know, maybe your location is not quite as good. Well,
you're starting today, so you got to you got to
figure out how to work around that, and you have
to figure out how to still get those guys out.
Maybe it's not strikeouts, maybe it's groundouts, maybe it's flyouts,
whatever the case is, Like, that's the mentality.
Speaker 4 (33:22):
It's it's tough to deal with, but that's what you're
tasked with when you're a quarterback.
Speaker 6 (33:26):
So I'm hoping that, you know, we get to see
more of what we saw this past week because he
truly can be one of the best in the game.
And as far as the people who are tired of
seeing the Kansas City Chiefs dominate the AFC, well outside
of Josh Allen, outside of Lamar Jackson, outside.
Speaker 4 (33:42):
Of maybe CJ.
Speaker 6 (33:43):
Stroud, who I think will be challenging, you know them
in the future, it's Joe Burrow.
Speaker 3 (33:48):
You know.
Speaker 4 (33:48):
Burrow has been that next quarterback that's been as good.
Speaker 6 (33:50):
As anyone at challenging the Chiefs for trying to, you know,
not allow them to keep having their way through.
Speaker 4 (33:56):
What I still think is, you know, the the better
conference and more difficult path.
Speaker 2 (34:00):
I mean, there's been two quarterbacks that have beaten Patrick
Mahomes in the playoffs, Joe Burrow and Tom Brady. Tom
Brady's calling games, Joe Burrow's coming back from this injury.
So and I would also say, wouldn't you agree.
Speaker 5 (34:11):
Burrow and those guys that we're naming don't play against
Patrick Mahomes. You gotta have a defense. And the one
thing that Patrick Mahomes has had is defense. You know,
he's had spags, He's had a defense of you know,
units that have really really complemented their offense so well.
Speaker 2 (34:34):
I mean, their defense has been better than their offense recently.
Speaker 5 (34:37):
And that's what you know to me at times, that's
the separation when you look at what's taking place with
Cincinnati right now, that's an Achilles hill for them.
Speaker 6 (34:46):
Yeah, you know, he's despite the fact we're having this conversation,
he is playing well. He is, like, Burrow's not playing
bad this year by any means.
Speaker 5 (34:56):
That's what I'm saying. So it's kind of hard to like,
look at the fact that he is playing well.
Speaker 3 (35:02):
He is playing well.
Speaker 5 (35:03):
It's not like he's playing subpar football. He's playing Let's
let's say he stays on the streak. He's up for
the MVP.
Speaker 3 (35:12):
Now.
Speaker 6 (35:12):
The only problem is is we tend to only give
the MVP to players who have a winning record or
are there in the playoff hunt. And that's the problem
is there are a one to four football team. But
I mean, he's completely number seventy two percent of his passes,
He's tied or leading the league in touchdown passes.
Speaker 3 (35:28):
I believe he's only throwing two picks.
Speaker 6 (35:30):
You know, he's already at thirteen hundred yards, almost twelve
hundred yard ors fourteen hundred yards.
Speaker 4 (35:34):
Excuse me.
Speaker 6 (35:35):
I mean he's going to be on pace to have
some of the best stats of everyone ever have anyone
in the NFL this year the quarterback spot. So then
it just comes down to where's this team at when
it's all said and done, at least for the individual accolades.
Speaker 5 (35:48):
Yeah, I just think it's it's hard to overcome if
you don't have the balance, right, if something like for instance,
you know, we don't we generally don't talk about special
teams unless you know, something bad happens, right, But we
didn't even bring up in the conversation about the Seattle game.
It was special teams that kind of was the catalyst
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for Seattle actually having an opportunity to try to win
the game, you know what I mean. So you're talking
about three phases. You got to win two phases, they say,
out of the three to be able to win a game.
So even if you have the dopest quarterback ever in life,
if you don't win special teams or defense one of
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those two to give you the two out of the three,
you're generally not going to win a game in the
National Football League or in college hell, or at any level.
You got to win two out of the three. And
that's just that's what they say. I believe in that.
I've subscribed to that. And you know Joe Burrow.
Speaker 2 (36:55):
Doesn't have that right now, Well, listen, all I know
is if he keeps playing the way he's playing, And
apologies to Sam Darnold, it's been fun. You can go
ahead and step back off comeback Player of the Year.
All right, that'll be Joe Burrow's award. And that means
if Joe Burrow continues to keep playing the way he's
my Super Bowl pick is still alive and.
Speaker 3 (37:14):
While a right. Man, that's where you're at right now.
Speaker 2 (37:18):
Oh you talking about it, That's where.
Speaker 3 (37:20):
You're at right now. That's your current situation.
Speaker 4 (37:23):
Yeah, that's what I got going on here, man, Hell yeah, hey,
hell yeah.
Speaker 3 (37:27):
Day looks desolate. Yeah, that's lonely man. Hey.
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Speaker 2 (37:43):
New York Jets. I don't know if you guys are
kind of over the whole Robert Sola firing and whatnot.
I mean, it feels like it's kind of run its course.
The guy got fired, you know, Monday Night football, we
get to see out when did he get fired? A
couple of days ago. I mean it happens man, like
you middle of the season.
Speaker 3 (38:03):
That ain't the middle of the season.
Speaker 6 (38:05):
The beginning of the season. Now, man, we go, We're
got to eighteen games. We're like, wait a second, you
got fired before the first third.
Speaker 2 (38:11):
Okay, yeah, yeah, it's a it's a rough one.
Speaker 3 (38:15):
Now.
Speaker 2 (38:16):
We did hear from Jeff Olbrick and Aaron Rodgers discussing
the decision to strip play calling duties from Nathaniel Hackett.
Who would you guys be more curious to hear from
Olbrick or Aaron Rodgers speaking.
Speaker 4 (38:30):
With the media.
Speaker 2 (38:31):
Uh, you pick, let's start what you're at. Okay, so
you're it. The new head coach of the New York Jets.
Here was him announcing the.
Speaker 11 (38:39):
Decision regarding the staff after a lot of time to
think about it, and did not make this decision easily
by any means. I'm gonna make Todd downing the play
caller to the New York Jets going forward. And this
is more a byproduct of a different take on things.
I'm not saying it's a better or worse take on
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things by any means, but just a different take on things.
Speaker 3 (39:03):
A fresh approach.
Speaker 11 (39:05):
So ultimately Todd will have the full say on the
game plan and ultimately the players that are called within
the game.
Speaker 2 (39:12):
All Right, So that was the brand new Jets head coach.
Cheff Ulbrick and do you want.
Speaker 6 (39:17):
To know why that is a lie? Yes, he's making
this comment on Thursday. They've already had two days of practice.
They already knew Tuesday where they're putting together the game
plan who'd be calling the plays. That's not a light
decision and one that you sit there and go on Thursday.
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You know what, We've got it a couple of days now.
We just feel like Todd would be better for how
who do you think is communicating with Aaron Rodgers during
the course of practice or the offense during the course
of practice to discuss this fresh start, this new approach.
Speaker 4 (39:56):
That Todd Downey's going to go with. It's not Nathaniel
hack it up there the meeting rooms.
Speaker 6 (40:01):
If it is, it's going to be confusing as hell
to everyone who's on offense. They've already started their preparation.
So the reality is, even though it's an extra day
right because they play Buffalo on Monday night, all that
preparation has already started. That decision was made by Robert
Salah before he was even fired, and then once Jeff
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Olbrich got put in the position, or you're it, as
Lafar says, that decision was finalized there too.
Speaker 5 (40:35):
That's interesting because if Robert Salah was making or made
the decision, it's still this just is such a bad
look for Woody Johnson.
Speaker 3 (40:45):
It's such a bad look.
Speaker 5 (40:49):
I mean, why fire the guy when the decision that
was going to be made to try to give a
fresh set eyes of fresh approach to what was taking
place was ultimately the decision of the man you fired,
which means you're basically saying we're going in a different direction.
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And as Woody Johnson stated, with this new direction, we're
going to win games, and we're going to win games
basically right now, and that's based off of the decisions
that Robert Sala made.
Speaker 3 (41:26):
It doesn't make sense. Make it make sense to me.
Speaker 4 (41:30):
I mean it's simple as this.
Speaker 6 (41:32):
I feel like they're trying to make a change for
change's sake, because in this instance, there's no issue with
the defensive side of the ball. That was Robert Sala's specialty,
that's jeff Oldbrooks specialty. We talked to Albert Brey yesterday about.
Speaker 3 (41:46):
This, right.
Speaker 6 (41:47):
He mentioned the fact that now you're making your defensive
staff thin because you're taking the guy who had eyes
on the defense and now you're putting him in a
head coaching position, he's going to have to deal with
a lot more.
Speaker 4 (41:57):
And now, look, there's ways around that.
Speaker 6 (42:00):
You know, most coaches who call one side of the
football have someone who's on the other side. Whichever case,
you know, whichever side that is that they entrust to
be able to own that and hold it down, and
their special teams coach hold it down. So it's not
as big of an undertaking as maybe it's made out
to be, but it does stretch you thin to some
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degree because there are some head coaching decisions that you've
got to make and how you go about sharing those
responsibilities and duties. So the reality is, if this decision
is going to be made on offense, regardless, what was
the point of moving on from Robert Sala.
Speaker 5 (42:37):
It doesn't make sense. It's a bad look. Y'all know
how I feel about dysfunction. So dysfunction, that's that's that's
a bad look.
Speaker 2 (42:49):
Let me let me pose this question to you guys.
Speaker 3 (42:52):
Oh yeah, here we go.
Speaker 2 (42:52):
So if if this thing continues down the way it's
going because they've made this change at head coach and
you can't beat this function, then my guess would be
if they're not a playoff team and it continues to
go south, Rogers probably ain't coming back next year, Like
it's probably I mean, that's probably not happening. So how
attractive is this job if that's the case, because if
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they play well enough, would.
Speaker 3 (43:18):
They want Rogers to come back? I don't.
Speaker 5 (43:20):
I mean, that's if you're incoming head coach, would you want,
like really think about it, would you want?
Speaker 4 (43:27):
I would?
Speaker 6 (43:28):
I would on one condition that he knows we're going
to draft a young quarterback if we find when we
feel really good about and that he's okay with being
back and starting and playing, but knowing that, you know,
we want to make sure we have the future behind him.
He's going to be forty one years old, going to
you know, head into forty two. And that would be
the condition is being very upfront and honest about it
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and say, we don't have any plans to play this
guy as a rookie as long as you're here going
to be the guy, but we have to prepare for it.
And then that runs into the issue that he had
in Green Bay with him drafting and love. Now that
being said when he was you know, at that age.
Most teams look at it and say, well, he's getting older,
he's getting older.
Speaker 4 (44:07):
Is is he really going to.
Speaker 6 (44:08):
Continue to play like with the way Tom Brady did
and then he ripped off back to back MVPs, so
different story. But now we're to a point where you
are into that he's forty and he's getting up there.
There's got to be some big concern, like it's more legitimate,
which I think he would be more open to it
now probably than ever before, knowing that he's got maybe
another year or two.
Speaker 4 (44:28):
However he looks at it. But that would be the
singular condition.
Speaker 6 (44:33):
If I was going to be that head coach, or
I would imagine whoever that head coach is going to be,
you would come in and you would make that request.
Speaker 5 (44:42):
If I'm anyone but Bill Belichick. I'm looking at Woody
Johnson and I'm looking at Aaron Rodgers, and I'm saying,
hell no, even if you're.
Speaker 7 (44:54):
To the hell no, if you're hell no, hell no,
hell no.
Speaker 3 (45:01):
I don't want it.
Speaker 2 (45:02):
A Belichick walked away from Woody Johnson when he first
got there. Well what Johnson done in twenty five years.
Speaker 3 (45:07):
I'm just saying this.
Speaker 5 (45:09):
I'm just saying Bill Belichick would be the only name
that I could think of that could.
Speaker 7 (45:15):
Go in there and be like, hey, Aaron, like go
sit in the corner, like I'll.
Speaker 3 (45:21):
Tell you when to come out.
Speaker 5 (45:24):
And if Aaron pushes back, he actually could find himself
in a situation that he's never found himself in, which
is dealing with somebody that doesn't have more sway or
dealing with somebody who does have more sway than what
he does. I don't know how many other coaches you
could go out there and get, not Mike Vrabel, not not.
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There's there's no coach you're going to go out there
that's going to be able to stand up to if
something makes Aaron Rodgers uncomfortable, and whether he had anything
to do with Robert Salas firing or not, the bottom
line here with Aaron Rodgers is he does not have
a good track record in terms of how he handles
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things within the media publicly with things he doesn't like.
And I wouldn't want to put my I would not
want to put my coaching reputation knowing that you know
this is this is already one of those types of
jobs where it's like, yeah, you got the personnel, But
can you can you do something that's going to outperform
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the dysfunction. You got to take those things in consideration,
and I think that that would be a very daunting task,
and I don't know that I would want to put
my my coaching reputation on trying to come in and
figure out if I can get Aaron Rodgers to do
it the way that I want to do it, because
he's probably going to do it the way Aaron Rodgers
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wants to do it.
Speaker 6 (46:51):
Just going back to the conversation about the like year
or two left, So first off, he only has a
year left.
Speaker 4 (46:57):
On his contract.
Speaker 6 (46:59):
He's got three or actually, excuse me, four avoidable years
on the back end this deal. So really structurally he's
got this year and next year, and then after that
they're all avoided.
Speaker 5 (47:13):
So I get rid of me, I come and avoid
that contract out like make sure. What I would want
as a head coach is to know that we're going
to draft a quarterback or we're going to find the
quarterback of my choice in free agency.
Speaker 3 (47:28):
If I'm gonna go down with this ship or.
Speaker 7 (47:30):
If I'm gonna bring this ship across dose, I want
who I want.
Speaker 3 (47:34):
Okay, great.
Speaker 6 (47:35):
Let me finish on the rest of what I was
gonna say is his cap hit is actually really insignificant.
It's only twenty three point five next year against the cap.
He's only seventeen point one against the cap this year.
So actually, the way it was structured has really allowed
them to build like they have this offseason around the
quarterback position, and I on this roster in general. Now,
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why they haven't spent some of that on Hassan Reik
Maybe we'll get to that in one of our segments.
Speaker 4 (48:02):
But his base salary is only twenty a half million.
You know, they do have to make a.
Speaker 6 (48:07):
Decision on an option bonus before the twenty twenty five
regular season, so that ultimately will determine probably whether he
comes back or whether you know, they want him to
finish out the rest of this deal and all that.
But it's really not that bad of a financial situation,
at least when you compare it to the Cleveland Browns,
for example, for him to be there for one more year,
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if they were to draft a quarterback and allow him
to mentor that guy and have a similar impact to
what we saw at least with Jordan Love and how
good he's looked so far in Green Bay.
Speaker 3 (48:40):
I don't want to.
Speaker 4 (48:41):
Damn
It's the best of two pros and a couple Joe
with Lamar Ar, Rady Winn and Jonas Knox on Box
four Radio.
Speaker 2 (00:13):
How we feeling here on a Friday morning?
Speaker 3 (00:15):
Good morning, feeling great? Ready to go?
Speaker 2 (00:18):
Man?
Speaker 4 (00:18):
Yeah, Var called it last night. He called a shot.
Speaker 3 (00:22):
He was very.
Speaker 5 (00:22):
Emboldened in calling a shot. Hey, I never have a
problem when I'm wrong.
Speaker 3 (00:28):
Good. Good for the forty nine ers.
Speaker 5 (00:29):
I mean, I didn't think that they had enough firepower
to go into the twelfth Man Stadium. But obviously the
twelfth Man isn't what it used to be. Should be
ashamed of yourself. What's it called now?
Speaker 3 (00:41):
Lumen?
Speaker 4 (00:41):
Is that what it is? It gets the sponsor? Now,
I don't know, don't care, damn don't care.
Speaker 6 (00:48):
Well, as I said before, you know, sometimes history tends
to repeat itself, right, So after watching the New York
Giants dice up the Seattle Seahawks defense and then San
Francisco rip off four hundred and eighty three total yards
last night, it felt like, yeah, this is this is
a problem for Seattle. Is a problem last year. It's
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been a problem this year. They've been able to cover
it up at times because of the performance of their offense,
but this defense is banged up and it's just not
very good. And the only thing that even made the
score look as close as it did last night was
the forty nine ers that ability to cap off drives.
I mean, last night they were three for five in
the red zone, but they still struggled their first two.
They had to kick field goals, and obviously Jake Moody's
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banged up, so they've got a backup kicker in there, but.
Speaker 4 (01:34):
He did fine.
Speaker 6 (01:35):
It's just this team is one of the best teams
in the NFC, hands down, and in the NFL for
that matter. And I kind of talked to beginning of
the season as the injuries mounted for like Christian McCaffrey
and then Deebo Samuel missed a little bit of time,
and obviously, you know, George Kitto kind of missed a
little bit. But this is a great opportunity for brock
Perty to prove why he should be paid the likes
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of a sixty summer let's just say fifty million plus
a year contract.
Speaker 4 (02:02):
And folks, he is playing lights out.
Speaker 5 (02:06):
I'll just say Geno Smith, if he protects the ball
on that that last interception, the Seattle Seahawks may win
that game by at least one point, which at the
end of the day, they don't cover. They don't cover anyway.
Speaker 2 (02:25):
Well, but they would. They were three to that point
underdogs at home.
Speaker 3 (02:28):
Yeah, but I said they would.
Speaker 5 (02:29):
Oh oh, they were underdogs, which makes it hurt anymore
even more to be honest.
Speaker 3 (02:34):
Oh yeah, they actually lost twelve.
Speaker 5 (02:36):
So anyway, I figured that they would win. And I
felt like that was the most pivotal moment of maybe
not even pivotal, maybe defining moment of the game because
they put them in position to score they got the
touchdown with kiddles are blaming it on a geno. I'm
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i'm I think that interception was way too It came
out way too critical moment and.
Speaker 3 (03:04):
In the game.
Speaker 2 (03:05):
I know this is, yes, what sins West Virginia, West
Virginia Pennsylvania rival.
Speaker 5 (03:10):
There it is. I knew it was going to reservice again.
Oh boy, this is this is what y'all do. Y'all
try to play us against each other, you know what
I mean? Like that's im y'all, y'all want to say things.
I thought you take each other and say. Kyle Shanahan
forty nine ers, But you didn't.
Speaker 3 (03:28):
They did. They needed to win the game.
Speaker 5 (03:30):
They needed this game really really really really really really bad.
They needed it badly. They needed it so bad. Because
their record isn't isn't obviously a reflection of how good
the team is or could be.
Speaker 3 (03:47):
So just based off of what I have been feeling.
Speaker 5 (03:51):
About and seeing with the forty nine ers, I did
not think that they would go into Seattle and win.
Speaker 3 (03:57):
I just did not.
Speaker 5 (03:59):
I thought there would be too much offense from Seattle,
and at times there was, I mean dk Metcalfs touchdown
gets called back. I mean there were there were moments
where I felt like, and I go, I will go
back to the interception.
Speaker 4 (04:15):
But Sam, you're on the right side, on the wrong
side of this bet.
Speaker 3 (04:20):
I'm not pulling a Pete Pritty.
Speaker 2 (04:22):
It's a great way to get lost lost. It makes
you feel better. You look back at a bet you
got wrong and you go to do it all over again.
Speaker 4 (04:30):
I do the same thing.
Speaker 6 (04:31):
Can I give you, guys, I would I would not
another example of why maybe it's a little foolscold And
look at the Seattle Shawks.
Speaker 4 (04:39):
Record, because look, a five hundred record six games.
Speaker 6 (04:42):
In the season is not that bad, right, Like you
could be the Bengals, you could be the Browns, you
could be a number of other teams, the Panthers who
are really in they have no hopes whatsoever this early
in the season. Five hundred is not bad at all.
Here's the only problem about that five hundred record A lot.
You beat Denver to start the season bow knicks, right,
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rookie quarterback first start, like close game. So even though
the defense for Denver's playing great and one of the
best in the NFL right now and they've continued to improve,
kind of took advantage of a rookie quarterback for a start.
Then you go to New England, you win overtime, and
they're not very good.
Speaker 3 (05:22):
Not no, not at all.
Speaker 5 (05:24):
No.
Speaker 6 (05:24):
And then you beat Miami handily. You handily beat Miami,
but that was not a two tongue of Iloa led
tore No.
Speaker 4 (05:30):
That was Skyler Thompson.
Speaker 6 (05:32):
And then you've gotten beat by double digits or more
than a touchdown, let's say, two scores the last three weeks.
Speaker 5 (05:42):
I don't I don't dispute that point. I think it's
a point that's well taken. All I'm saying is they
could have pulled that game out by one point. If
Geno Smith doesn't turn the ball over and and I
mean they were they in their own get fired up.
(06:02):
They were in the Niners red zone and turned the
ball over.
Speaker 3 (06:05):
I mean I saw what he was saying.
Speaker 7 (06:08):
But there was definite was definitely to let go too late.
You let the ball go too late?
Speaker 3 (06:14):
Like that was an easy one.
Speaker 2 (06:16):
But doesn't the way San Francisco ice the game warm
your heart? A little bit of school football, felt a
little football. Are you feeling about a full back dive
to go ahead and put them in their cast?
Speaker 3 (06:30):
Come on, casket, damn. I mean you know, I was
really really watching.
Speaker 5 (06:41):
Bar and and hoping, just for the sake of not
having to deal with this today, that my prediction the
way to get done.
Speaker 2 (06:52):
You know, if you if you need any help, if
you need any help on what to do when things
go poorly with a bet, you just let me know
for a second.
Speaker 6 (07:01):
Yes, I'm watching everything right, I'm watching Thursday night football.
I'm watching the college football games. Shoutouts to LA Tech
taking care of business versus Middle Tennessee State.
Speaker 4 (07:11):
Sorry Jonas, but.
Speaker 6 (07:14):
I'm watching James Madison absolutely throttle Coastal Carolina, and then
around the middle to the end of the third quarter,
they just put on the brakes. They're just like, eh,
we're good, we're good with the beat down so far.
We don't need to carry this thing too much further
into the fourth quarter. And so the meat wagon hits.
Speaker 3 (07:34):
Me up yesterday.
Speaker 4 (07:35):
He's like, hey, give me a bed for tonight, and
I'm like, well, I was like, ye always didn't listen
to the show. I gave you three.
Speaker 6 (07:41):
I go, I feel pretty good about all three, but
I go, I think the over of sixty feels like
the best, you know, based on how things are going,
and based on how the first half of that game
went between James Madison and Coastal Carolina, I'm like, all right,
Coast to Carolina might get there. Excuse me, James Madison
might get there on their own. But it's like, at
one point of second half, it felt like Coast of
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Carolina gave up. They just couldn't take care of the football.
And then James Madison just kind of was like, all right,
we're good, we're good here. We don't need to prove
too much more of a point, which is surprisingly because
not saying that they could beat that team that makes
as a group of five. But you know, they're a
team that I think with one loss, baby Conference champ,
maybe they find their way up in there. They have
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beat some power for teams. Anyway, my general point is,
didn't hit the over. I ended up going two and
one last night. Obviously James Madison covered easily the nine
and a half, and obviously San Francisco covered. But the
one bet and we all got a friend like this,
the one bet I give out happens to be the
one that doesn't hit.
Speaker 4 (08:42):
And do you think I'm gonna hear about anything other
than that bet?
Speaker 2 (08:45):
Yeah, it's the worst.
Speaker 4 (08:46):
It's the worst. It's the worst.
Speaker 6 (08:47):
And the meat Wagon's gonna be complaining about it. He'll
probably come by for Sunday dinner and he'll be complaining
about it there to my in laws.
Speaker 4 (08:55):
It's gonna be a whole thing.
Speaker 6 (08:56):
I might as welluch to give him twenty bucks to
cover his bet and so it can stop bitching and moaning.
Speaker 4 (09:01):
About this in this way.
Speaker 2 (09:02):
By the way, how many pieces of chicken palm does
he pipe down on a Sunday night?
Speaker 4 (09:06):
Not as much as you know what, Jake would Excuse
me me, why can the Bee whoa.
Speaker 6 (09:14):
Little drafts very disappointing when he gets about two plates,
but like it's not as much as you think he'd
get that.
Speaker 8 (09:21):
That's like a luchator loses his mask, Like wait on that, stuy.
He looks like okay, but yeah, he'll put a bottle
of wine. That's for sure me too.
Speaker 5 (09:32):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (09:32):
Well it's like, uh, you know officiating, you know, like
they'll get every call right except for the one, and
they get buried for the one call. And uh, I
would like to say this.
Speaker 4 (09:41):
I mean, I'll take two in one compared to Knox locks.
That's all I say.
Speaker 2 (09:44):
Oh, you know what, that's enough. I have not had
a losing record in three weeks too, No three, this
week's going to be a loser.
Speaker 3 (09:51):
I was one.
Speaker 2 (09:52):
I was one one in one this past week and
I lost because of a hook. So that shouldn't even count.
The review of the muffed punt, which clearly indicated that
the ball hit the guy trying to feel the punt
for Seattle, the ball hit his finger, and.
Speaker 5 (10:11):
It was clearly if it's not a penalty on the
guy hitting the receiver, it should have been San Francisco's ball.
Speaker 2 (10:23):
So Kyle Shannan was asked about that afterwards because they
wanted to know it looked pretty obvious.
Speaker 4 (10:30):
What were you told?
Speaker 2 (10:31):
Here's what he had to say.
Speaker 3 (10:32):
What were you told in terms of what angle they saw?
Speaker 4 (10:34):
Whoever you know, let you know, and then what was
the explanation that they did.
Speaker 9 (10:37):
It was awesome by him because he said he could
tell by how the guy's hand moved that the ball
hit him and then that's all he saw. But it
was he could one hundred percent see the ball, but
he said, you could tell how the hand moved. And
with it being Thursday Night Football, I thought for sure
they'd have a bunch of camera angles. So once he
believed that it happened, we threw it, thinking we get
(10:57):
some better angles. And then they just told me that
he didn't. And then about two minutes later, two minutes later,
I heard all the guys in the box at freaking
out saying they saw on another angle and.
Speaker 4 (11:07):
It wasn't fumbled. So the official told you that they didn't.
Speaker 9 (11:10):
Have They only know what they see, so they didn't
see I think what everyone else saw on TV.
Speaker 2 (11:15):
So how the hell do the Thursday Night Football crew
have the better angle than the people that are hired
to actually review the calls if there's a miscall.
Speaker 6 (11:26):
So first off, everything centralized back to New York, so
New York is really the one that you know, will
all be helping to make this call. The second thing
is the TV networks are the ones providing the angles.
They're the ones who bring in the TV the cameras
to be able to.
Speaker 3 (11:42):
Have all this.
Speaker 6 (11:42):
The problem is is sometimes it's hard to be able
to find all of the angles. There's technical issues, there's
things that take time. We don't want to slow down
the game. So there's this thought to you know, give
us all the angles you got, and it might be
this might be the best one we've got, or it
might take time to get the better angle to show it.
That's part of the issue with the whole process. It's
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one of the reasons why I wish more often than
not they would just go to break.
Speaker 4 (12:08):
It would be like an.
Speaker 6 (12:09):
Industry standard for the networks just to go to break
during a review process. You can touch on a little
bit before the break, touch on it coming back, but
it give you this like four minute window where the
truck has time. And in the case that it's an
issue with New York, it's an issue with the truck
not being able to find all the angles that you
need or everything they have, because that's unfortunately what happens
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is once things slow down, they're able to go back
and look and say, oh my gosh, look this is
the drama of the game.
Speaker 4 (12:39):
So that is an essence how that can happen.
Speaker 2 (12:42):
Yeah, because it was is Terry McAuley, who's the guy
who is on is the rules analyst for Amazon Prime,
whoever the hell it is, He basically said that, you know,
he spoke with Walt Anderson back in New York and
they just said, well, we didn't have as good of
a camera angle as you guys had.
Speaker 4 (12:58):
What hold on second the same thing, it's a good one.
Speaker 2 (13:03):
I mean, so if you take the four minute break
or you go to break, I mean, it's not like,
you know, you couldn't you know, put together or come
up with some sort of a company that wants to
get their business promoter. You could do ads, you could
do whatever. Like, it's an opportunity there to get the
call right. But they don't want to get the call
right because you know, it takes too long. It just
there's still holes in the whole thing. I mean, ultimately
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it didn't matter because they ended up winning the game,
But there's just holes in the whole thing that don't
make sense from time to time, and you would feel
like they would have a button up at this point,
but apparently they don't.
Speaker 6 (13:34):
That was one of those instances too, where you thought
San Francisco would even take care of the game, even even.
Speaker 4 (13:39):
Further, you know, yeah, even further that.
Speaker 6 (13:42):
Case, Yeah, like then then they wouldn't Those like turnovers
and stuff really didn't even matter for Gino.
Speaker 4 (13:47):
It's like it was so out of hand.
Speaker 2 (13:48):
And then because it becomes the question isn't the question
isn't can Seattle get within three and a half, it's
can they get within thirty and a half? Like based
on how that would have gone, because it would have
been such a blowout and like such a drastic difference.
Speaker 4 (14:01):
In it mean, not even close.
Speaker 5 (14:02):
Geez what And yet that interception by Geno Smith at
that moment in time of the game, they were heading
in for the second touchdown of what of that quarter? No,
was it the second of that quarter? Something to that effect.
I know they had just had I think they had
just they had just started to have success in moving
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the ball and scoring.
Speaker 7 (14:27):
They brought it down to what six six points? It
was six point game.
Speaker 5 (14:33):
If they score, they take a one point lead, they
take a one point lead. But Gino threw the ball away.
They were already in scoring position pretty much from the
interception and Kittle gets in.
Speaker 3 (14:46):
That's the biggest part of the game.
Speaker 7 (14:49):
And that punt.
Speaker 3 (14:49):
That punt was pretty bad. That was pretty bad.
Speaker 4 (14:52):
Was the other thing?
Speaker 6 (14:53):
Is anything about two point conversion two? And it really
could have been worse, you know where it seemed even
more oudeated, like because because they responded, they brought it
back with a score, and then you know, San Francisco
did what they did.
Speaker 4 (15:06):
I mean, I mean, really the scor should be worse.
They dominate.
Speaker 6 (15:09):
I mean, there was never a point where I felt
like San Francisco couldn't just go down.
Speaker 4 (15:13):
The field if they wanted to. It was like only
like they were stopping themselves, you know.
Speaker 5 (15:17):
Yeah, yeah, they got a couple of good stops though
when they needed them, and they put them in position
to be able to try to eke out a victory.
They just didn't do it want me. They didn't want
me to be able to come in and gloat over
what took place last evening.
Speaker 6 (15:34):
So I agree, I think you should talk to Mike McDonald.
Maybe it's that that that Michigan Penn State thing.
Speaker 5 (15:40):
He just a little He looked a little upset too
after that interception. You know, it looked like he had
a few choice things to say. Behind is behind his place? Yeah,
var So are you fired up a little bit this morning?
I can kind of tell you got the juices flowing,
you're ready to go? You know, I got home late
last night. I am a dad that has a Division
(16:02):
one volleyball player. L m U beat San Diego last night. Yeah,
so shouts out to Hank's house, Loola Marymont.
Speaker 4 (16:13):
Yeah, Hank's a good.
Speaker 3 (16:15):
Guy, Ain't I hear anymore? Oh? Damn Hank, Hank going?
Speaker 2 (16:20):
R I P Hank?
Speaker 3 (16:21):
Yeah, aink going.
Speaker 7 (16:23):
Hank Gathers is who I'm talking about, by the way,
him and Bo Kimball. You know, they made lm U
kind of you know, famous, good team, very good team,
you know.
Speaker 4 (16:33):
Uh yeah, he told me that's a good looking team,
is what he said.
Speaker 5 (16:37):
That's the least s out of my ear, the basketball
team or the volleyball I think the volleyball well, you know,
I got creeped out when I posted my daughter on
one of my daughters on I got creeped out because
somebody was like, man, what a good looking daughter.
Speaker 3 (16:55):
First time.
Speaker 5 (16:59):
I don't think it was you kind of got that
in your bag though a little bit. You know, it's horrible, man,
it's it's God's humor. He gave me some really, really
really beautiful daughters. It's God's humor. So it is what
it is, also God's humor. In case you were wondering, Uh,
let's play a little game real quickly.
Speaker 4 (17:18):
Some game show music.
Speaker 3 (17:19):
Okay, come on, let's get it.
Speaker 4 (17:20):
Is it possibly get some game show music?
Speaker 2 (17:22):
Yeah, of course, we've got a live studio band.
Speaker 3 (17:24):
Even get it. Question? There it is.
Speaker 4 (17:25):
That's my favorite one too. This is the best one,
isn't it?
Speaker 3 (17:27):
All right? Yeah? Yeah stink, yeah I do thinks.
Speaker 6 (17:32):
Okay, let's play a game of who is that San
Francisco running back that almost went for one hundred yards
last night?
Speaker 3 (17:39):
Not the one you thought.
Speaker 6 (17:41):
It's not Jor Mason. Surely not Christian McCaffrey. We know
he's also spending some time trying to rehab those achilles.
I'm going to butcher his last name, but he came
from Louisville. It's Isaac or roriendo is grendo? Is that
how you prounson? I could have pronounced back in that Louisville.
(18:01):
I just I remember he just completely blitzed Notre Dame
and tore us up that again.
Speaker 2 (18:06):
And by the way, Kyle Shannon trying to say afterwards,
he was probably being a smart ass, but trying to
say that he intentionally slid so that George so that
Kyle Ustchek could get a rushing touchdown. My ass if
I'm on the sprint and I run a fourth rookie,
if I run a four to three, I'm going to
the end zone.
Speaker 7 (18:23):
I was trying to understand why he slid. He didn't
get caught.
Speaker 3 (18:27):
He slid.
Speaker 2 (18:28):
I don't know he got tripped up at first.
Speaker 3 (18:30):
Nah, he slid.
Speaker 2 (18:31):
You guys never had a touchdown in his career. He's
a rookie. Runs a four to three like he got,
he got caught.
Speaker 3 (18:36):
They're trying to.
Speaker 5 (18:37):
Spin it the wrong decision. He was trying to ice
the game. And in my mind, in my mind, I
was like, why is he trying to ice the game?
If you just run it in like even if even
if Seattle were to use the clock to try to score,
y'all get the ball back.
Speaker 6 (18:56):
What'd you think that game? What'd you think too, you'd
get closer to the one yard line.
Speaker 3 (19:02):
I mean there's that slit.
Speaker 7 (19:04):
I don't know why he slid. I don't know why
slid off the clock.
Speaker 2 (19:09):
Yeah, he take more time because he got caught and
he runs a four to three and he shouldn't be
getting caught. That's one either way.
Speaker 6 (19:14):
It's amazing how they just pull running back after running back,
after running back in the system.
Speaker 3 (19:21):
Point a couple of weeks ago.
Speaker 2 (19:23):
It's like his dad in Denver. Oh, oh he's injured.
Speaker 3 (19:28):
I'll don't worry. Way.
Speaker 6 (19:29):
This is coming off a comment made by our very
own Jewel Klatt to Colin Coward about how coaching doesn't matter, which.
Speaker 4 (19:38):
We need to get to at some point, because, oh
my goodness.
Speaker 2 (19:42):
I try to tell you there's only one JKS that
deserves respect. I tried to after this comment.
Speaker 3 (19:47):
I don't.
Speaker 4 (19:47):
I don't think you're wrong. I don't think you're wrong.
I think somebod needs to kick the j the other
JKS to the curb.
Speaker 2 (19:52):
After that, it is two pros and a cup of
Joe here on Fox Sports Radio, LeVar Arrington, Brady Quinn,
Jonas NOTx with you, by the way, I was gonna
mention this, yere. I know we're late, but really really.
Speaker 4 (20:02):
It's okay, import it really is LeVar, would you do
the honors?
Speaker 7 (20:06):
It's a football Friday, Yeah, Friday.
Speaker 3 (20:14):
Let's do it. It's Friday minute. Need to throw the
into Thursday so I could come.
Speaker 7 (20:21):
Into date and talk about come on, come on, do it,
do it?
Speaker 1 (20:27):
Do it?
Speaker 3 (20:28):
Do it, do it? Do it? Yeah, come on, let's
let's do it. Let's do it. Let's do it. All right,
all right, all right, let's do it for Eddie. Let's
do it for Eddie Garcia.
Speaker 5 (20:43):
Friday Night is a football Friday.
Speaker 3 (20:47):
Lost football Friday. Quick do it? Check out rock Let's
do It from bah Frat Oh sorry.
Speaker 10 (21:02):
Be sure to catch live editions of Two Pros and
a Cup of Joe with Brady Quinn, LeVar Errington, and
Jonas Knox weekdays at six am Eastern three am Pacific
on Fox Sports Radio and the iHeartRadio app.
Speaker 2 (21:15):
So talking a lot about Thursday night football earlier in
the show. Yeah he's getting Seattle Seahawks. Dang gino By
the way, did anybody on the show have the Niners
in the Super Bowl?
Speaker 3 (21:29):
Uh?
Speaker 4 (21:30):
We should have. Do you feel like Baby Var picked Gino?
Speaker 6 (21:34):
Not necessarily because you were kind of playing this whole
West Virginia Penn State thing. I was thinking maybe because
of the the cornerback announcment with Cooper degene now starting
oh yeah for the Eagles and sending Riley Moss now,
maybe maybe it was more of that that side of
things for Var.
Speaker 3 (21:48):
You know, Yeah, I have no problem with those guys.
Speaker 5 (21:53):
Yeah, I don't know you guys making adension to bring
those those types of conversations to the forefront of We're
just having fun with what we're doing.
Speaker 4 (22:01):
Yeah, we're just having fun, you know.
Speaker 6 (22:06):
I mean, I'll put I'll put this out there. We're
here in Provo, Utah, getting ready for big noon kickoff.
It leads into Washington versus Iowa. However, they the crew
will be here for a big Saturday Joel Klatt, Gus Johnson,
Jenny Taff they'll be here for the Arizona BYU game.
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And BYU has a quarterback named Jake rhetz Laf who
is the first Jewish quarterback ever at b YU.
Speaker 4 (22:37):
So There's been a lot of discussion about his path.
It's very interesting. I mean, he he's got a very unique.
Speaker 6 (22:44):
Path just how he got to b yuh playing a
multiple uh community college, you know Juco's and then in
his decision to come here, in the impact of you know,
his faith and the faith obviously at b YU, it's
been interesting. I mean, look, they're one of the better
stories in college football. The picked to finish i think
what thirteenth or whatever it was in the Big Twelve
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this year, and they've they've found a way to be
undefeated at this point with the shot of going and
playing for a national championship in the College Faball playoffs.
So it's one of those incredible stories that college football
tends to find.
Speaker 4 (23:18):
Every single year.
Speaker 6 (23:20):
And at least at this juncture, the BYU looks to
be one of those teams man that that may be
in the driver's seat here the Big Twelve.
Speaker 2 (23:26):
Do people have an issue with him being Jewish and
being the quarterback.
Speaker 4 (23:30):
There or no, there's no issue, which it's just a rarity.
Speaker 5 (23:33):
Yeah, well, I mean think about do people have issues
with guys that aren't you know, Catholic that go to
Notre Dame.
Speaker 6 (23:39):
Well, we had guys who were Jovah's witness that went
to I mean, my roommate, one of my backups was
a Jovah's witness.
Speaker 4 (23:47):
So there you talk about the difference in faith.
Speaker 6 (23:50):
And I remember one of the one of the players
who was Jovah's witness during mass, because we'd have mass
right before the games, he would actually take a nap
in the confessional booth, so someone would just knock on
the door.
Speaker 4 (24:04):
He'd pop out.
Speaker 3 (24:08):
Stop sitting so much. That's so funny.
Speaker 4 (24:12):
Yeah, when.
Speaker 2 (24:16):
At school, you know, I also think the I also
think the everything changed when Jim McMahon went to b
y U. You know that guy. Yeah, it's like, you
don't have to be one way in order to be
accepted here. If you can sling it, you can sling it.
Because Jim Common was definitely there's been a.
Speaker 4 (24:35):
Pretty big gap between Jake Rett's laughing Jim McMahon.
Speaker 2 (24:39):
Well, I'm just saying, like, I think he was the
one who started the whole trend towards it.
Speaker 6 (24:43):
He started it, and then there was like a thirty
five year gap, and now it's kicking back in again.
Speaker 2 (24:46):
That's correct, That is correct.
Speaker 4 (24:48):
That's great analysis.
Speaker 6 (24:49):
And by the way, it's almost like you like like
you're in Sino man, like you woke up in a
frozen ice cube and you all of a sudden just
got thought out like the seventies and eighties.
Speaker 2 (24:58):
Because I don't want you to steal that take and
use it tomorrow on Big New Kickoff.
Speaker 4 (25:02):
Okay, how would I ever steal because.
Speaker 2 (25:05):
Because you know that was piping hot. You know that
was piping hot. Here's what else is piping hot? Joe
Burrow after a five touchdown performance against the Baltimore Ravens
at the end of the year. Forget about the fact
that they lost that game, which is crazy. Yeah, it's
sure is man not for some of us still pisses
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me off. But Joe Burrow was speaking recently about the
recovery from his injury. He spoke about this with the
media and said, well, listen, I mean he's getting there,
but he's still got.
Speaker 3 (25:38):
A ways to go. Something quite throwing it the way
that I would like.
Speaker 2 (25:42):
You know, I'm making good decisions, I'm putting the ball
where I want to know.
Speaker 7 (25:45):
I still think there's another level of improvement.
Speaker 3 (25:48):
That I can get to come back from injury. On
Bob Location and spin rate and all that.
Speaker 1 (25:53):
So that's going to continue to get better as I
get healthier, and so there's there's always another.
Speaker 3 (25:57):
Level to find.
Speaker 2 (25:59):
So Joe Burr discussing is recovery from injury.
Speaker 4 (26:03):
Yeah, I gotta be honest, I don't know that it's
ever gonna be what it was.
Speaker 3 (26:08):
You know.
Speaker 6 (26:09):
The truth of the matter is when you go through
injuries and LeVar you can obviously speak to this too.
You know, your body changes and you kind of just
adapt to a new normal. I always, you know, kind
of question and wonder when people are like, oh, it's gonna,
you know, feel like this after such a long period
of time, I'm like, well, is it going to feel
like that? Because my body's adapted to whatever that new
normal is and how it feels.
Speaker 3 (26:31):
You know.
Speaker 6 (26:31):
I fractured my right index finger my second year in
the league, and they had to put pins in and
they had to stay in for six weeks. So they
cast it, they put these pins in, and then eventually
they take the cast off and they they take the
pins out, and then you start literally rehabbing my right
index finger. I mean, the problem with it is is,
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you know, I tried to play the following week, so
it kind of distorted how much they could really do
to kind of make my finger back to what it
was before I'd broke it and tore off these you know,
tendons and ligaments.
Speaker 4 (27:04):
And the issue with that was is it was never
going to be the same and how it felt.
Speaker 6 (27:09):
And it doesn't sound like a big issue because it's
a right index finger, but when you're right handed and
you throw the football, that's the very last thing.
Speaker 4 (27:15):
That touches the football.
Speaker 6 (27:17):
You know, you go ask you know, any picture, any
you know, I mean, you've seen pictures go on the
r I l for a hangnail, like anything that has
to do with that that throwing hand or that right
arm is incredibly valuable. And to this day, like I
still don't have feeling in my right endex finger, the
tip of it. It never felt the same after pulling
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the pins out and rehabbing it and trying to throw again.
And I'm not saying that as you know, anything to
do with it. You know, you just got to adapt
to a new normal. That's how the game's played. But
that's the challenge for Joe Burrow is what, howeverver that
risk feels, however his throwing motion feels he's got to
keep working and finding a way of getting to his
his maximum ceiling and trying to stay there as much
as he can, despite the fact that he's gonna have
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to deal with this the rest of his career.
Speaker 3 (28:01):
Hm hm.
Speaker 2 (28:04):
Oh.
Speaker 5 (28:05):
Listen, injuries can always it does change things, and it
does complicate things. It also brings you to the realization
that you only have so much you know, you only have.
Speaker 7 (28:20):
So much time.
Speaker 5 (28:22):
And whether it's crazy because and whether you're in your
first year or your second year, if you sustain one
of those injuries that brings you to that realization, you
still have to come to the same conclusion. Ultimately, you
have to approach each day, each practice, each game like
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it could be your last. And and you know, that
was kind of something that in my mind, I said
it during the years that I played, like, oh, high
school ball. You know, the coaches say it to you
in high school, they say it to you in Little league. Actually,
I heard coaches say, you know when the day you
might not have the next you know, you might get hurt,
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you might not have this next practice to work hard,
you know, take advantage of what you got. Same thing
in high school, same thing in college. But I never
really believed it. You know, you never really believe that
something's going to alter you know, what it is that
you have going on. I wouldn't have thought that, you know,
my career would have been derailed by injury, like I heard.
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I heard so many guys say it, And for the
longest time, I'd be like, man.
Speaker 3 (29:28):
You're a loser.
Speaker 5 (29:30):
I don't care if you're a future Hall of Famer,
I don't care what you are. Like if you start
attributing why everything went wrong to an injury like chy lee,
like bruh, like take a like take a bow and
get the hell out of the way. Like that's kind
of like always was my mentality until I got hurt
and I was then I became one of them dudes.
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I was like, damn, I'm really hurt, like and this
ain't going to change and I do have to figure
out what my new normal is and I do you
have to try to strategize on what I did, man
my last two years in the National Football League, bro,
I went into the into the the into the facility.
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UH probably like to at least two hours before you
were actually supposed to start, like matriculating in just so
that I could do my whole prehab and rehab, you know,
routines contrasting you know, from stem to too specified lifts
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in the in the gym, you name it. I was
doing it, and I still blew my ass out. My
my achilles tendon still went, It still ruptured. All of
the stretching, stretching board, everything that they did, preventative data
that you name it, It still popped, you.
Speaker 3 (30:58):
Know what I mean. So I don't know how much
that applies to Joe.
Speaker 5 (31:02):
Burrow in his situation, but that the whole idea of
understanding or coming to the realization that you know, something
that you've altered isn't ever going to be what it
once was. That's a sobering moment. Man, If you really
have that true moment, it's a sobering moment.
Speaker 6 (31:22):
So the sobering moment for him has to be the
fact that you know, this is what year five for
him in the NFL. And if you go through his journey,
I mean, the reason why he ended up at LSU
is in some in some parts attributed to him injuring.
I believe it's throwing hand and like the spring and
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he couldn't you know, fully participate and compete the way
he wanted to, and so then that kind of led
to him down and then going to LSU, and thank
god he was able to be healthy for those final
two years because that made the difference in everything. I mean,
he went from you know, a guy who was kind
of forgotten about to in his first year play some
really good football in the second half the season at LSU,
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and then literally having what I would still to this
day define as the greatest singular season in college football
history for a quarterback. I mean, that offense was unbelievable
and he was unbelievable. I mean, the way they won
the national championship, the highest and everything. I mean, it
was one of the most amazing.
Speaker 4 (32:27):
Stories and performances that I had seen.
Speaker 6 (32:32):
Like I didn't I didn't know if a quarterback could
play at that high of a level for the entirety
of a season like that, through the playoff and everything.
Speaker 4 (32:41):
And he did it.
Speaker 6 (32:42):
And he eventually becomes the number one overall pick. But
then those injuries keep resurfacing, you know now in Cincinnati,
and it's just it's unfortunate, you know, but he's he's
got to find it. He's got to find a way
of overcoming that and adapting to a new normal. It's
no different than when you're playing with the injury. You know,
you got to go out there and figure out like
what you have, what you don't have, and you know,
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almost like a picture on the mound, like some days
you're not going to have some of those off speed pitches.
You know, maybe your location is not quite as good. Well,
you're starting today, so you got to you got to
figure out how to work around that, and you have
to figure out how to still get those guys out.
Maybe it's not strikeouts, maybe it's groundouts, maybe it's flyouts,
whatever the case is, Like, that's the mentality.
Speaker 4 (33:22):
It's it's tough to deal with, but that's what you're
tasked with when you're a quarterback.
Speaker 6 (33:26):
So I'm hoping that, you know, we get to see
more of what we saw this past week because he
truly can be one of the best in the game.
And as far as the people who are tired of
seeing the Kansas City Chiefs dominate the AFC, well outside
of Josh Allen, outside of Lamar Jackson, outside.
Speaker 4 (33:42):
Of maybe CJ.
Speaker 6 (33:43):
Stroud, who I think will be challenging, you know them
in the future, it's Joe Burrow.
Speaker 3 (33:48):
You know.
Speaker 4 (33:48):
Burrow has been that next quarterback that's been as good.
Speaker 6 (33:50):
As anyone at challenging the Chiefs for trying to, you know,
not allow them to keep having their way through.
Speaker 4 (33:56):
What I still think is, you know, the the better
conference and more difficult path.
Speaker 2 (34:00):
I mean, there's been two quarterbacks that have beaten Patrick
Mahomes in the playoffs, Joe Burrow and Tom Brady. Tom
Brady's calling games, Joe Burrow's coming back from this injury.
So and I would also say, wouldn't you agree.
Speaker 5 (34:11):
Burrow and those guys that we're naming don't play against
Patrick Mahomes. You gotta have a defense. And the one
thing that Patrick Mahomes has had is defense. You know,
he's had spags, He's had a defense of you know,
units that have really really complemented their offense so well.
Speaker 2 (34:34):
I mean, their defense has been better than their offense recently.
Speaker 5 (34:37):
And that's what you know to me at times, that's
the separation when you look at what's taking place with
Cincinnati right now, that's an Achilles hill for them.
Speaker 6 (34:46):
Yeah, you know, he's despite the fact we're having this conversation,
he is playing well. He is, like, Burrow's not playing
bad this year by any means.
Speaker 5 (34:56):
That's what I'm saying. So it's kind of hard to like,
look at the fact that he is playing well.
Speaker 3 (35:02):
He is playing well.
Speaker 5 (35:03):
It's not like he's playing subpar football. He's playing Let's
let's say he stays on the streak. He's up for
the MVP.
Speaker 3 (35:12):
Now.
Speaker 6 (35:12):
The only problem is is we tend to only give
the MVP to players who have a winning record or
are there in the playoff hunt. And that's the problem
is there are a one to four football team. But
I mean, he's completely number seventy two percent of his passes,
He's tied or leading the league in touchdown passes.
Speaker 3 (35:28):
I believe he's only throwing two picks.
Speaker 6 (35:30):
You know, he's already at thirteen hundred yards, almost twelve
hundred yard ors fourteen hundred yards.
Speaker 4 (35:34):
Excuse me.
Speaker 6 (35:35):
I mean he's going to be on pace to have
some of the best stats of everyone ever have anyone
in the NFL this year the quarterback spot. So then
it just comes down to where's this team at when
it's all said and done, at least for the individual accolades.
Speaker 5 (35:48):
Yeah, I just think it's it's hard to overcome if
you don't have the balance, right, if something like for instance,
you know, we don't we generally don't talk about special
teams unless you know, something bad happens, right, But we
didn't even bring up in the conversation about the Seattle game.
It was special teams that kind of was the catalyst
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for Seattle actually having an opportunity to try to win
the game, you know what I mean. So you're talking
about three phases. You got to win two phases, they say,
out of the three to be able to win a game.
So even if you have the dopest quarterback ever in life,
if you don't win special teams or defense one of
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those two to give you the two out of the three,
you're generally not going to win a game in the
National Football League or in college hell, or at any level.
You got to win two out of the three. And
that's just that's what they say. I believe in that.
I've subscribed to that. And you know Joe Burrow.
Speaker 2 (36:55):
Doesn't have that right now, Well, listen, all I know
is if he keeps playing the way he's playing, And
apologies to Sam Darnold, it's been fun. You can go
ahead and step back off comeback Player of the Year.
All right, that'll be Joe Burrow's award. And that means
if Joe Burrow continues to keep playing the way he's
my Super Bowl pick is still alive and.
Speaker 3 (37:14):
While a right. Man, that's where you're at right now.
Speaker 2 (37:18):
Oh you talking about it, That's where.
Speaker 3 (37:20):
You're at right now. That's your current situation.
Speaker 4 (37:23):
Yeah, that's what I got going on here, man, Hell yeah, hey,
hell yeah.
Speaker 3 (37:27):
Day looks desolate. Yeah, that's lonely man. Hey.
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Speaker 2 (37:43):
New York Jets. I don't know if you guys are
kind of over the whole Robert Sola firing and whatnot.
I mean, it feels like it's kind of run its course.
The guy got fired, you know, Monday Night football, we
get to see out when did he get fired? A
couple of days ago. I mean it happens man, like
you middle of the season.
Speaker 3 (38:03):
That ain't the middle of the season.
Speaker 6 (38:05):
The beginning of the season. Now, man, we go, We're
got to eighteen games. We're like, wait a second, you
got fired before the first third.
Speaker 2 (38:11):
Okay, yeah, yeah, it's a it's a rough one.
Speaker 3 (38:15):
Now.
Speaker 2 (38:16):
We did hear from Jeff Olbrick and Aaron Rodgers discussing
the decision to strip play calling duties from Nathaniel Hackett.
Who would you guys be more curious to hear from
Olbrick or Aaron Rodgers speaking.
Speaker 4 (38:30):
With the media.
Speaker 2 (38:31):
Uh, you pick, let's start what you're at. Okay, so
you're it. The new head coach of the New York Jets.
Here was him announcing the.
Speaker 11 (38:39):
Decision regarding the staff after a lot of time to
think about it, and did not make this decision easily
by any means. I'm gonna make Todd downing the play
caller to the New York Jets going forward. And this
is more a byproduct of a different take on things.
I'm not saying it's a better or worse take on
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things by any means, but just a different take on things.
Speaker 3 (39:03):
A fresh approach.
Speaker 11 (39:05):
So ultimately Todd will have the full say on the
game plan and ultimately the players that are called within
the game.
Speaker 2 (39:12):
All Right, So that was the brand new Jets head coach.
Cheff Ulbrick and do you want.
Speaker 6 (39:17):
To know why that is a lie? Yes, he's making
this comment on Thursday. They've already had two days of practice.
They already knew Tuesday where they're putting together the game
plan who'd be calling the plays. That's not a light
decision and one that you sit there and go on Thursday.
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You know what, We've got it a couple of days now.
We just feel like Todd would be better for how
who do you think is communicating with Aaron Rodgers during
the course of practice or the offense during the course
of practice to discuss this fresh start, this new approach.
Speaker 4 (39:56):
That Todd Downey's going to go with. It's not Nathaniel
hack it up there the meeting rooms.
Speaker 6 (40:01):
If it is, it's going to be confusing as hell
to everyone who's on offense. They've already started their preparation.
So the reality is, even though it's an extra day
right because they play Buffalo on Monday night, all that
preparation has already started. That decision was made by Robert
Salah before he was even fired, and then once Jeff
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Olbrich got put in the position, or you're it, as
Lafar says, that decision was finalized there too.
Speaker 5 (40:35):
That's interesting because if Robert Salah was making or made
the decision, it's still this just is such a bad
look for Woody Johnson.
Speaker 3 (40:45):
It's such a bad look.
Speaker 5 (40:49):
I mean, why fire the guy when the decision that
was going to be made to try to give a
fresh set eyes of fresh approach to what was taking
place was ultimately the decision of the man you fired,
which means you're basically saying we're going in a different direction.
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And as Woody Johnson stated, with this new direction, we're
going to win games, and we're going to win games
basically right now, and that's based off of the decisions
that Robert Sala made.
Speaker 3 (41:26):
It doesn't make sense. Make it make sense to me.
Speaker 4 (41:30):
I mean it's simple as this.
Speaker 6 (41:32):
I feel like they're trying to make a change for
change's sake, because in this instance, there's no issue with
the defensive side of the ball. That was Robert Sala's specialty,
that's jeff Oldbrooks specialty. We talked to Albert Brey yesterday about.
Speaker 3 (41:46):
This, right.
Speaker 6 (41:47):
He mentioned the fact that now you're making your defensive
staff thin because you're taking the guy who had eyes
on the defense and now you're putting him in a
head coaching position, he's going to have to deal with
a lot more.
Speaker 4 (41:57):
And now, look, there's ways around that.
Speaker 6 (42:00):
You know, most coaches who call one side of the
football have someone who's on the other side. Whichever case,
you know, whichever side that is that they entrust to
be able to own that and hold it down, and
their special teams coach hold it down. So it's not
as big of an undertaking as maybe it's made out
to be, but it does stretch you thin to some
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degree because there are some head coaching decisions that you've
got to make and how you go about sharing those
responsibilities and duties. So the reality is, if this decision
is going to be made on offense, regardless, what was
the point of moving on from Robert Sala.
Speaker 5 (42:37):
It doesn't make sense. It's a bad look. Y'all know
how I feel about dysfunction. So dysfunction, that's that's that's
a bad look.
Speaker 2 (42:49):
Let me let me pose this question to you guys.
Speaker 3 (42:52):
Oh yeah, here we go.
Speaker 2 (42:52):
So if if this thing continues down the way it's
going because they've made this change at head coach and
you can't beat this function, then my guess would be
if they're not a playoff team and it continues to
go south, Rogers probably ain't coming back next year, Like
it's probably I mean, that's probably not happening. So how
attractive is this job if that's the case, because if
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they play well enough, would.
Speaker 3 (43:18):
They want Rogers to come back? I don't.
Speaker 5 (43:20):
I mean, that's if you're incoming head coach, would you want,
like really think about it, would you want?
Speaker 4 (43:27):
I would?
Speaker 6 (43:28):
I would on one condition that he knows we're going
to draft a young quarterback if we find when we
feel really good about and that he's okay with being
back and starting and playing, but knowing that, you know,
we want to make sure we have the future behind him.
He's going to be forty one years old, going to
you know, head into forty two. And that would be
the condition is being very upfront and honest about it
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and say, we don't have any plans to play this
guy as a rookie as long as you're here going
to be the guy, but we have to prepare for it.
And then that runs into the issue that he had
in Green Bay with him drafting and love. Now that
being said when he was you know, at that age.
Most teams look at it and say, well, he's getting older,
he's getting older.
Speaker 4 (44:07):
Is is he really going to.
Speaker 6 (44:08):
Continue to play like with the way Tom Brady did
and then he ripped off back to back MVPs, so
different story. But now we're to a point where you
are into that he's forty and he's getting up there.
There's got to be some big concern, like it's more legitimate,
which I think he would be more open to it
now probably than ever before, knowing that he's got maybe
another year or two.
Speaker 4 (44:28):
However he looks at it. But that would be the
singular condition.
Speaker 6 (44:33):
If I was going to be that head coach, or
I would imagine whoever that head coach is going to be,
you would come in and you would make that request.
Speaker 5 (44:42):
If I'm anyone but Bill Belichick. I'm looking at Woody
Johnson and I'm looking at Aaron Rodgers, and I'm saying,
hell no, even if you're.
Speaker 7 (44:54):
To the hell no, if you're hell no, hell no,
hell no.
Speaker 3 (45:01):
I don't want it.
Speaker 2 (45:02):
A Belichick walked away from Woody Johnson when he first
got there. Well what Johnson done in twenty five years.
Speaker 3 (45:07):
I'm just saying this.
Speaker 5 (45:09):
I'm just saying Bill Belichick would be the only name
that I could think of that could.
Speaker 7 (45:15):
Go in there and be like, hey, Aaron, like go
sit in the corner, like I'll.
Speaker 3 (45:21):
Tell you when to come out.
Speaker 5 (45:24):
And if Aaron pushes back, he actually could find himself
in a situation that he's never found himself in, which
is dealing with somebody that doesn't have more sway or
dealing with somebody who does have more sway than what
he does. I don't know how many other coaches you
could go out there and get, not Mike Vrabel, not not.
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There's there's no coach you're going to go out there
that's going to be able to stand up to if
something makes Aaron Rodgers uncomfortable, and whether he had anything
to do with Robert Salas firing or not, the bottom
line here with Aaron Rodgers is he does not have
a good track record in terms of how he handles
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things within the media publicly with things he doesn't like.
And I wouldn't want to put my I would not
want to put my coaching reputation knowing that you know
this is this is already one of those types of
jobs where it's like, yeah, you got the personnel, But
can you can you do something that's going to outperform
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the dysfunction. You got to take those things in consideration,
and I think that that would be a very daunting task,
and I don't know that I would want to put
my my coaching reputation on trying to come in and
figure out if I can get Aaron Rodgers to do
it the way that I want to do it, because
he's probably going to do it the way Aaron Rodgers
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wants to do it.
Speaker 6 (46:51):
Just going back to the conversation about the like year
or two left, So first off, he only has a
year left.
Speaker 4 (46:57):
On his contract.
Speaker 6 (46:59):
He's got three or actually, excuse me, four avoidable years
on the back end this deal. So really structurally he's
got this year and next year, and then after that
they're all avoided.
Speaker 5 (47:13):
So I get rid of me, I come and avoid
that contract out like make sure. What I would want
as a head coach is to know that we're going
to draft a quarterback or we're going to find the
quarterback of my choice in free agency.
Speaker 3 (47:28):
If I'm gonna go down with this ship or.
Speaker 7 (47:30):
If I'm gonna bring this ship across dose, I want
who I want.
Speaker 3 (47:34):
Okay, great.
Speaker 6 (47:35):
Let me finish on the rest of what I was
gonna say is his cap hit is actually really insignificant.
It's only twenty three point five next year against the cap.
He's only seventeen point one against the cap this year.
So actually, the way it was structured has really allowed
them to build like they have this offseason around the
quarterback position, and I on this roster in general. Now,
(47:57):
why they haven't spent some of that on Hassan Reik
Maybe we'll get to that in one of our segments.
Speaker 4 (48:02):
But his base salary is only twenty a half million.
You know, they do have to make a.
Speaker 6 (48:07):
Decision on an option bonus before the twenty twenty five
regular season, so that ultimately will determine probably whether he
comes back or whether you know, they want him to
finish out the rest of this deal and all that.
But it's really not that bad of a financial situation,
at least when you compare it to the Cleveland Browns,
for example, for him to be there for one more year,
(48:31):
if they were to draft a quarterback and allow him
to mentor that guy and have a similar impact to
what we saw at least with Jordan Love and how
good he's looked so far in Green Bay.
Speaker 3 (48:40):
I don't want to.
Speaker 4 (48:41):
Damn
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