November 5, 2024 • 43 mins
Today on 2 Pros and a Cup of Joe, the Chiefs pull off the OT win vs the Bucs, proving to be the best in the league. The guys preview the first College Football Playoff Rankings. Plus, NFL Columnist Pete Prisco stops by for his weekly visit.
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Speaker 1 (00:02):
It's the best of two pros and a couple Joe
with Lamar Arings rating win and Jonas Knots on Fox
Sports Radio.
Speaker 2 (00:13):
How the hell we feel? What are we doing today? Yeah?
How the hell are we feeling? Hey, fellows? How you doing? Death?
Taxes and Patrick Mahomes?
Speaker 3 (00:23):
Uh?
Speaker 2 (00:24):
Overtime win that drive to go win at all? Yep,
just one of those.
Speaker 4 (00:28):
It's almost like he remembers death and taxes and Patrick Mahomes.
It's almost like he remembers the the AFC Championship game
against the Patriots where they didn't get the ball back
and New England just went down the field and scored
on the first possession, and Mahomes was like, Yeah, I
don't want that to happen again.
Speaker 2 (00:43):
It's I'll just take care of hey man.
Speaker 5 (00:46):
DeAndre Hopkins is washed, man, Like, let him go for pennies.
We don't need them. He doesn't have anything to offer us.
Speaker 6 (00:55):
Next to Tyreek Hill. That's the best wide receiver he's
played with. Correct, he looked good last night. I'll say that.
Definitely the most accomplished. But now, as far as the
Kansas City Chiefs brand of football, is this just what
it's going to be moving forward, just not pretty. You know,
(01:16):
maybe they're not going to cover a nine point spread.
Doesn't that become pretty?
Speaker 5 (01:20):
Doesn't the fact that they've consistently given you what you
want without giving you everything you want? Isn't that like,
doesn't that turn into some type of form of artistry.
I mean at this point, you just got to buy
into it. Listen, get Yeah. I mean Tampa Bay came
out ready to get it. Baker Mayfield was dealing like
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you know, they played. It was a good game. I
did not realize that that Tampa Bay was that good.
They're pretty good. They're pretty good. So I mean DeAndre
Hopkins snapped out. I mean he snapped. I mean he
(02:01):
snapped and and this this Kansas City Chiefs team, I
mean they play defense.
Speaker 2 (02:07):
What's the linebacker? Fifty? What fifty? What's his name? Carloftis?
Speaker 5 (02:11):
Oh my gosh, man, he's all yeah, dude, that dude's
like the Boogeyman for real. Man, He's out there like
like Casper the friendly goes.
Speaker 6 (02:21):
I mean, Pat Petrus is probably a fan of him.
He's Greek, correct, He's a he's from.
Speaker 2 (02:25):
Pretty carloftis, Yes, I believe that's great.
Speaker 5 (02:28):
Yeah, sweet I thought they did really well, man, I mean,
and they consistently do it, so you can't say it's
like fluky, like, oh.
Speaker 2 (02:35):
It's not pretty. They don't put up as many points.
Oh no, No, this is that they are.
Speaker 5 (02:40):
They have found a different rhythm in a different way
of how they approach winning games. And you know what,
there ain't no and I don't think it's fool's gold.
Speaker 2 (02:47):
To your point.
Speaker 7 (02:48):
I think if we look at this Chiefs team, if
they win three in a row, we throw through out
of the word dynasty. I think they'd be very deserving
obviously of that, given what they've already accomplished.
Speaker 2 (03:01):
By the way, probably one of.
Speaker 7 (03:02):
The more underrated things though about this Chiefs organization has
been their ability to draft and evaluate talent, hit and
develop that talent. If you look at the defensive side
of the ball, how many of those guys had they
just drafted, maintained their head, you know, and allowed them
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to develop into the players that they are.
Speaker 2 (03:27):
They don't sign a ton of free agents and the
hit agents.
Speaker 7 (03:33):
I mean, but what I'm saying, we we all know
about homes, we all don't know about their offense. You
Adam Hopkins had a few of the pieces. But they
have done an unbelievable job at drafting and developing players.
I mean, we all know about Worthy, we all know
at Creed Humphrey, right like, on the off side of
the ball.
Speaker 2 (03:52):
But go to the defensive side of the ball.
Speaker 7 (03:53):
Look at Carloftis for example, look at some of the
other players they've had on defense, and it might come
to a point where they'd have to let them go.
Lagarious Sneed was one of them, right, he's again drafted developed.
All right, he wants to pay a somewhere else. We can't,
you know, meet that number, so be it. But they
find other players, they find other players in that defense.
(04:14):
I can step up, be that guy. And you know
their selling point is we can be competitive with other
potential offers in free agency, but you have a chance
of legitimately winning a Super Bowl every single year you
were here. And I think it's gonna be enough for
some of these guys to go. Yeah, maybe I sacrifice
(04:35):
five milli or so and I stay here to go
win a Super Bowl with Patrick Mahomes, at least on
the defensive side of the football.
Speaker 2 (04:41):
Because I promise you this two things.
Speaker 7 (04:43):
No one, no defensive player wants to be in the
position that Tampa Bay was once they saw the coin
toss go the way of Kansas City.
Speaker 2 (04:51):
You saw Baker Mayfield's reaction.
Speaker 7 (04:53):
And that's the reality of this Chiefs team is they
are legit can tend to have a legit shot of
going three in a row.
Speaker 2 (05:00):
And it's not just their offense, it's in large part
their defense.
Speaker 7 (05:03):
It's in large part their ability to draft talent developed
talent on that side of the football.
Speaker 6 (05:08):
Now, there was a difficult moment for a lot of people.
Speaker 2 (05:11):
A lot of panic was set in.
Speaker 6 (05:13):
We saw Patrick Mahomes go down look like he tweaked
his ankle yet again, needed to be helped off the field.
At one point he spoke about the injury or the
reaggravation of the injury.
Speaker 8 (05:24):
Last night, I was obviously running for the goal on
was about kind of committed to running the football and
at the last second saw samaj and so kind of
awkwardly rolled the ankle a little bit. Definitely scary. I
think it hurt more just because its the same ankle
I rolled last week. So I scared me a little bit.
But once I kind of took my breath and kind
of calmed down a little bit, ended up being not
too bad, and we were able to go in there
(05:45):
kind of get the respat and go back on the
football film.
Speaker 2 (05:48):
Got it respat? Yeah, got it respatted? Love that respat.
Speaker 6 (05:53):
I did think that people kind of immediately jumped the
gun because they thought, oh god, he went down with
the injury. But it just looked like, you know, this
little bit of a tweak, came back out there and
he was good to go. He's fine, no problem here.
I also do you find it weird that Andy Reid
still will not let him do the quarterback sneak following
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that injury that took place where he did it. Partially,
they don't need.
Speaker 2 (06:18):
To, they don't need to.
Speaker 7 (06:21):
Why risk anything with him? He puts himself in harms
way enough. Why add that in the play sheet?
Speaker 2 (06:29):
Like I get it.
Speaker 7 (06:30):
I think there's so many, so many teams, so many
different times I said there and just going to send.
Speaker 2 (06:35):
Run a quarterback sneak given the history with it, though,
why I don't know.
Speaker 6 (06:43):
Man, would you've gone for two if you were Todd
Bowles and the end of regulation.
Speaker 5 (06:47):
Going up against them? I mean, who's gonna hold you? Like,
who's going to say, oh, that was a horrible decision
against Patrick Mahomes and Andy reed like, yeah, go for it.
Speaker 2 (06:57):
You're already undermanned. It's the Mahomes rule at this point.
It's rule.
Speaker 7 (07:02):
Let me ask you this, if it was Tom Brady,
if it was paid Manny, would would you.
Speaker 2 (07:05):
Go ahead and go for it?
Speaker 5 (07:07):
Yeah, go ahead and go for it because if he
beat you, yeah, you expected.
Speaker 2 (07:11):
And they beat you. You expected them to beat you.
So go for the two. Now.
Speaker 6 (07:18):
I don't know if you guys know this or not,
but Todd Bowles is known for his energetic responses to
the media.
Speaker 2 (07:23):
Oh, super energetic.
Speaker 6 (07:24):
Yeah, he's got well through the thumb up.
Speaker 5 (07:29):
So we are good this time around, you know, because
because Lee put his thumb up, good morning all we're
good on that.
Speaker 2 (07:35):
So fingers crossed. So here we go.
Speaker 6 (07:38):
Here was Todd Bowles talking about his decision to not
go for two at the end of regulation.
Speaker 5 (07:45):
Very minor.
Speaker 2 (07:45):
We want to get it the overtime. With the wet
conditions on the field, we felt like we had to
go on overtime instead of go for two. So we
had our shots and you know, we lost the game.
What was no, we went for one. We took our shots.
We had our chances all game. We just lost the game.
It didn't come down today.
Speaker 6 (08:02):
Wouldn't it be more difficult to kick the extra point
in those conditions and it would be trying to pick
up two yards?
Speaker 5 (08:08):
No? No, no, But is it worthwhile to do it?
Speaker 2 (08:13):
Sure? I don't know.
Speaker 5 (08:14):
I don't think anybody that's not going to be easier
to get two yards.
Speaker 6 (08:18):
I'm out, Mike Evans, I'm out, Chris Godwin, I'm going
for two. I'm not taking my chances on a coin
flip in overtime. And to Brady's point, Baker Mayfield knew
once they lost the flip, all right, that's it, all right,
there's the game.
Speaker 2 (08:33):
It was a classic reaction. Oh man, gosh, this guy's
gonna beat me.
Speaker 5 (08:39):
Now, well he did. All I know is this. I
like the way Todd Bowles responded. I mean, whether right
or wrong, you know, he's the head coach. He made
the call, he made the decision, and he stood on
it and said, look, that wasn't what determined the game.
They had their shots, and they did, and he did
stand on it. On that bus at least, sound like
(09:01):
and know what you're talking about when you respond.
Speaker 2 (09:04):
To a question like that.
Speaker 5 (09:05):
No, oh wow, oh wow, it goes. It was a remix.
Speaker 2 (09:12):
Yeah, that's ahah yeah, take on.
Speaker 5 (09:15):
Me, yeah, take on me. But you put stand Stand
on remix. Yeah, you remixed it. I liked it. It
was pretty good.
Speaker 2 (09:22):
Yeah.
Speaker 6 (09:23):
Well, the Chiefs are undefeated, and uh that's pretty good.
Speaker 2 (09:27):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (09:28):
Now the Pittsburgh Steelers were undefeated and everybody called them
fools gold Yeah is this an undefeated team? I ate
him to. Oh that wins ugly at times, the quarterbacks
there you go, all right.
Speaker 2 (09:43):
It's also the year the Steelers did it.
Speaker 6 (09:45):
I think it was twenty twenty, and everybody was just
negative about everything, so bang bang Yeah, there's a lot
of people that are upset about stuff.
Speaker 7 (09:52):
So so wait, you think that that was why I
know I believed the Steelers because there's twenty.
Speaker 6 (09:57):
You know, just trying to We're just like, no, no,
they can't. Yeah, now listen. If their life is miserable
right now, so is mine. I'm gonna go ahead and
take everybody out with me. And they just wanted to
complain about the Steelers, who I think we're twelve and
oh I think the first game they lost was to
Washington and it was one of those Wednesday games. It
was a Wednesday night game, and I think that's when
the NFL kind of realized, wait, we could do this
(10:19):
on a Wednesday too, Maybe think about this moving forward.
But no, the Chiefs are rolling and with Patrick Mahomes, yeah,
a whole different feel, a whole different vibe because that
was Ben Rohrs.
Speaker 5 (10:29):
Here's a better question, stages. You mentioned dynasty with three
earlier q are they should they be the favorites to
win it?
Speaker 2 (10:40):
Yeah?
Speaker 7 (10:40):
Yeah, with my home I think the the reality is
the best team in the NFL. I know we threw
out Detroit or I think Jonas did yesterday. Can't say
he's the best team in the NFL. It's because who
the quarterback is, they're they're head coach, all the different pieces,
the way that team plays together.
Speaker 2 (10:59):
They just the ways of winning games where they need
to play.
Speaker 7 (11:02):
And the toughest part about the truth of any playoff
format is even though it plays the advantage of Kansas City,
they'll have home field advantage, they'll probably be the number
one overall seed, so they play one less game. All
those things play in their favor, but the truth is
it's a single game scenario where they could have an
off night, something could happen that, you know, an injury
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could happen that throws off the rest of their offensive
defensive game plan, so that it doesn't always mean they
equate to you know, winning that super Bowl that makes
them one. I mean I think you could almost already
make the case. I mean they've won three one in
the last four years.
Speaker 2 (11:40):
Yeah, it's a dynasty. Three in a row is is outrageous.
Speaker 7 (11:46):
Three in a row is outrageous, but even four, like
I actually don't mind the uh, like like the adversity
like in between, you know, yeah, like like they have
the ability to battle back, like they if they keep rolling,
Like if you look at this window of time, they've
been as dominant as any team. All they know is
what AFC Championships games since Pats Mahomes has started. Yea,
(12:07):
what other team can say that. I mean, so you
can throw the Bills in the conversation, but how long
has Mahomes been starting now?
Speaker 5 (12:13):
I think the Bills are the only team that can
do it. I think that is the only team outside
I think Detroit, if healthy, they can get it done.
But I just think that that might be too big
of a game. If they meet them in the Super Bowl.
Speaker 6 (12:28):
You want to know how good Kansas City's been with
Mahomes a quarterback. Last year was the first year in
the playoffs they had to go on the road. Even
when New England they was like, no, no, we're just
gonna host every playoff game.
Speaker 2 (12:38):
Then we'll get to Super Bowls.
Speaker 6 (12:40):
And at some point, I just I wonder if you're
a Bills fan, you're like, man, we had that run
of four straight, couldn't get it done, waited all that time.
Baltimore music, Oh you think Baltimore, Baltimore.
Speaker 5 (12:52):
And Buffalo, but go ahead. I don't know, man, I
think Baltimore and Buffalo.
Speaker 6 (12:55):
Well, I just like, if you're a Bills fan, it's
got to be aggravating thinking we waited all these years
to finally get back. We've got our quarterback, Like, we've
got a good team and we're building something here and
it just so happens to coincide.
Speaker 5 (13:08):
With Yeah, but I do believe that those are if
there's two teams that can not only stand up to them,
but beat them. I mean, didn't they play the Ravens
in the first game? They almost lost, right, It was
like that was like a very very well played and
that was early Isaiah Likely. I just I think that
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Baltimore that while they can hit you with that, that
one moment that they're not consistent and it just makes
you feel like, come on man, you know what I mean.
Speaker 2 (13:40):
They give you come on man moments.
Speaker 5 (13:41):
But I think Baltimore, when like at the top of
their game, like the way they're playing right now, with
that type of balance, I think they're they're they're going
to be hard to though I know it's.
Speaker 7 (13:53):
Because it's not about it's not about their balance like awesome.
It comes down to Lamar's ability to play from the
pocket in the playoffs, and it's like when it hasn't
worked out that no, because he relies and almost tries
to say, Nope, I'm just gonna I'm gonna take it over,
I'm gonna take off and run, and spag Nola knows it,
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the Chiefs defense knows it.
Speaker 2 (14:18):
They get they get out there, they're just like there's
waiting for it.
Speaker 7 (14:21):
And meanwhile Mahomes just find finds plays dices you up
from the pocket, like the game is still played from
the pocket. And until Baltimore can do that in the playoffs,
it's always gonna be Patrick Mahomes and the Kansas.
Speaker 2 (14:36):
City Chiefs, Okay Bills kind of the same.
Speaker 7 (14:41):
It's kind the difference with the Bills is I felt
like they've kind of never had enough around Alan and
he's obviously had turnover to issues in some of those moments.
But now it's a little different, you know, Amari Cooper.
They do have a supporting cast. They've kind of been better,
but they just have to do it, like they just
have to be able to showcase the fact they can
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do it.
Speaker 2 (15:03):
But they might have a shot. They look there there.
Speaker 5 (15:08):
I thought they had hit their ceiling and we're going down,
like it will go down from here. But it really
clearly to me there they seem like they're a better
team this year. They seem like there's something about them
where they're a pretty dog going good team.
Speaker 2 (15:21):
Man, what do you get at you're saying there's something missing?
Speaker 7 (15:23):
Crazy thing is there's so much football left, don't know,
There's so much football left to be played.
Speaker 6 (15:29):
Yeah, yeah, they look good though, lock and change. Hopefully
everybody stays healthy. We'll get a We'll get Patrick Mahomes
on a run. Maybe Patrick Mahomes Josh Allen. It look
two quarterbacks have beaten him in the playoffs, Tom Brady
and Joe Burrow. So if my Bengals can figure this
thing out and kind of uh, you know, right the
ship here.
Speaker 2 (15:48):
They probably took a blue two before the game. When
did you decide to hop on the Bengals bandwagon? When
I picked him to go to the Super Bowl? What
was that this year? Last year? It was this year? Yeah?
You know who else picked him when to win Super Bowl?
Pete Risco? He's coming on today, Peter this year. No,
he didn't. He didn't pick him.
Speaker 7 (16:05):
In fact, actually to your question, LeVar, he didn't pick
him at any point time after he said that. He
just made the blanket statement of they'll win multiple super
Bowls in ten years.
Speaker 2 (16:15):
Yeah, he's running out of time.
Speaker 7 (16:17):
Gain, he's running out of time in the fact that
I think most people listen to exactly what I just said,
and you wait a second. You claim they're gonna win
multiple super Bowls in ten years, yet you never actually
believe that enough to pick them.
Speaker 2 (16:31):
Yeah, that's a problem.
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Speaker 2 (16:46):
Guys, are you ready?
Speaker 6 (16:47):
It's a big night tonight because the college football twelve
teams Yes playoff rank will be released the initials.
Speaker 2 (16:58):
I mean, what are we looking at?
Speaker 6 (17:00):
Bar?
Speaker 2 (17:00):
Come on, what are we look here? Crap? We are
Penn State? Baby? Oh we are? Yeah. Yeah, we'll bounce back.
Thank you, You're welcome you, thank you. We'll bounce back.
We'll be back.
Speaker 6 (17:17):
So how's this gonna go? What are we looking at here?
The first installment? Obviously we're gonna have you know, we're
not gonna get the official twelve team playoff and then
we'll find out and have fun with the matchups, not
the bye weeks, but the home game playoff games for
teams around college football.
Speaker 2 (17:34):
What's your guest there, Branden?
Speaker 6 (17:35):
What do you think you think Oregon's gonna be sitting
at the top?
Speaker 2 (17:38):
And then who? Well, as we used to do on Tuesdays,
if usually my top what fifteen I think I ended
up doing. I think Oregon's gonna be number one.
Speaker 7 (17:48):
I think number two will be Ohio State with their
most recent win over Penn State.
Speaker 2 (17:52):
I think George is gonna be number three.
Speaker 7 (17:55):
Miami will round out the top four there representing the ACC.
You'll see Texas at number five, Penn's stayed at six,
Indiana at seven, Tennessee at eight, b YU at nine,
Notre Dame at ten, BAM about eleven, and SMU.
Speaker 2 (18:09):
Will be sitting on a twelve spot.
Speaker 7 (18:11):
That's right, that's right, huge win over pitt If you
haven't watched them play this season, they got.
Speaker 2 (18:17):
Some dogs all right.
Speaker 3 (18:19):
Right.
Speaker 7 (18:19):
Lastly, the job they've done down there in Dallas, they're
they're another case study where like you know, everyone's trying
to figure out nil, how do they want to manage
the roster? People need to going down and talk to
people at SMU. The way they've constructed the players on
that team. Uh, they are a sleeper in college football for.
Speaker 2 (18:36):
Me this year. Wow, I mean Penn State's going to
get in. They went six.
Speaker 5 (18:44):
Yeah, yeah, he did have one and said, you want
the pinpoint my school and not Notre Dame. I mean
PenPoint Notre Dame. But but I'm just saying I think
we'll finish out strong. We'll finish out strongly. I'm hoping
we finished out strong. We just gotta be a little
looser in my opinion, just just let it go, you know, like.
Speaker 2 (19:08):
Just just let it all hang out.
Speaker 5 (19:12):
Don't be so conservative man that that's like they got
everything they need. Just play, just play, just let it
let it flow, don't don't get too deep into your heads.
Just let it flow.
Speaker 2 (19:22):
It'll be all right.
Speaker 6 (19:23):
So if this, uh, like let's just pretend that this
is the final playoff rankings, is Brady laid out, will
we have a home game? Yeah, you would be hosting Alabama.
M that would be sweet.
Speaker 2 (19:36):
That would be crazy. That would be crazy. They throw
that bad boy to night. You're doing a white out
for the home playoff game if you get the.
Speaker 7 (19:46):
Multiple whiteouts, like every game in Penn stage should be
a white out.
Speaker 2 (19:49):
Yeah, I don't know. Apparently we we broke the attendance record.
Speaker 7 (19:56):
Yeah yeah really yeah, but it wasn't a night game,
so I was just still broke to a ten dis direct.
Speaker 2 (20:03):
Still broke it, but yeah, still broke it.
Speaker 6 (20:05):
By the way, I sent Brady a text during the
game and I'm like, hey, what's the crowd split there?
And he was like ninety ten Penn State. And then
they were showing the replay of the game yesterday at
them all up.
Speaker 5 (20:16):
Into upper decks. Literally in the corner of the upper
deck you saw only rich you would see in the
different areas. Is if they were like friends with somebody
who went to Pennsilan.
Speaker 2 (20:26):
That's it. It was. It might have been ninety five
to five. I mean it was a strong because.
Speaker 7 (20:33):
Think about it, like when you think about where they
were positioned that stadium, there was just a small upper corner, yeah,
like upper upper corner. Yeah, so there might have been
like five thousand seventh. I mean, I don't know how
many tickets there allotted, but Penn State showed out man
and they had him.
Speaker 2 (20:50):
There's ten to nothing. Just hold onto that momentum.
Speaker 5 (20:55):
Just gotta not try to hold on to the momentum.
You just got to keep throttling down, like let it,
let it loose, don't tighten up, loosen up more like
come on, you know what I mean. Like a punch
and you start landing that punch, you don't stop punching.
You just go ahead and keep punching them ten nothing.
I would have been foot on their neck. Foot on
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the neck, that's all I'm saying. Yeah, because they could
have put the crowd into it.
Speaker 2 (21:21):
Oh, they kept doing. You know what's crazy.
Speaker 5 (21:23):
I was like, I didn't have a good reception, and
they play it like after like.
Speaker 2 (21:27):
When it's when there's a big moment.
Speaker 5 (21:29):
They played the song that Brady's song is, and I
kept recording and I was going to send it to y'all,
and I was like, now I'm a hold off.
Speaker 2 (21:36):
Sure enough, I was right. I was right to hold off. Well,
you could have sent it. I mean we sort of
appreciated it. You wouldn't have got it, though, because my
reception was bad.
Speaker 7 (21:46):
That is the one interesting thing about that place is
no one that I mean, no one gets reception.
Speaker 5 (21:51):
Well, the ad does in some way somehow his phone
be working super good, perfectly.
Speaker 2 (21:59):
Actually, oh yeah, well what makes you say that is
rapid radios?
Speaker 5 (22:03):
I don't know, but the phone be working well, probably
mine don't work.
Speaker 2 (22:08):
Nobody else has worked.
Speaker 7 (22:10):
I thought what was interesting was in this I don't know,
probably gonna get discussed about him as much. When Penn
State went up ten nothing, It's like Ohio State respotted
the answer and it kind of took all the excitement
from the crowd out of it.
Speaker 5 (22:25):
So, yeah, we didn't cause any any you know, penalties
or anything based off of our noise.
Speaker 7 (22:35):
No which and again with their offensive line, when you
think about they moved their left guard to left tackle.
They brought in because hintsman need to play left guard,
because they experienced Dimond Jackson and him had together last
year playing together like that. It worked, like the logic
behind it, the experience those two had, and it didn't
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lead to any pre snap penalties, which you had a
guard playing tackle that stuff to do, especially versus Abdul Carter,
you know, So it was that was I mean, we
you know, we had talked about the offensive line, a
lot of people talked about it, but the lack of
pre stat penalties for guys who are not either accustomer
to playing the position or you know, Carson hadn't really
played this year left guard, so that was significant.
Speaker 6 (23:18):
If you had to project right now, which four teams
are getting to buy at the end of this whole thing,
like a guest.
Speaker 2 (23:25):
Right at the end of it.
Speaker 7 (23:28):
I still think Ohio stayed in a rematch beats organ
for the Big Ten Championships, so they get a bye.
I think George is the best team in the SEC,
so I think they'll ultimately win the SEC.
Speaker 2 (23:38):
I'm too with you.
Speaker 7 (23:39):
I think Miami will win the ACC at least. I mean,
they're kind of playing with fire. But man, you can't
bet against Camboard.
Speaker 2 (23:48):
The way they're playing right now.
Speaker 7 (23:49):
You cannot bet against them. So I'll say Miami had
the ACC. So there's your first three and then the
big twelve champ. You know, b Yu's at the top
of the conference. Oh man, it's crazy, though. I mean,
Colorado still is a shot, like they if they went out,
Colorado will be playing in it.
Speaker 2 (24:06):
That's crazy. That's crazy. But Iowa States right there too.
Speaker 7 (24:10):
They're a really good football team. I'm leaning more it's
hard to pick against BYU because they keep stepping up
and winning games and they need to and I have
to look at their schedule.
Speaker 2 (24:20):
But let's just say.
Speaker 7 (24:21):
B YU for the sake of where they're at right now,
and they're undefeated.
Speaker 2 (24:26):
But those would be the four teams that will get
the battle.
Speaker 5 (24:27):
I'm solid with the first three. I have no idea
what the fourth would be. I'm not sure, yeah, because
the committee is still done by a whole selection committee process.
Speaker 2 (24:38):
Not it's not how how are they how are they
get to determined?
Speaker 7 (24:41):
Because you're gonna have the four conference champs wind up
receiving those bots.
Speaker 5 (24:46):
They're going to get. So that's like a mandatory based
on their rankings. Yeah, so I thought it wasn't based
on ranking.
Speaker 2 (24:55):
It is, and it's not.
Speaker 7 (24:56):
That's that's why I like, dude, I'm telling you, so
many people are going to see the top twelve and
think just because they're team's in the top twelve the playoff,
and they're not because, like, for example, Boise would be
the highest ranked Power five conference champion if they won
out and they were currently not ranked in the top
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twelve of the A people. So if you use the
A people as a comparison, Boise would go in as
the fifteen ranked team and the A people but they
would go in and be a part of the playoff.
So there's gonna be a lot of people who are
not really understanding how this whole thing works.
Speaker 6 (25:35):
It kind of feels like this doesn't matter. Next week
doesn't matter, the one after that doesn't matter. This is
all just a production like this is noo.
Speaker 7 (25:45):
I would say it matters for this reason because twofold,
back when the playoff rankings first started coming out, you
got an idea of what the Playoff Committee's criteria was
that they actually cared about. And what they would do
is they would position teams that oftentimes maybe even had
a better resume, but they would almost wait for the
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schedule to play itself out, so they would kind of
position them where they were close but not maybe were
they they needed to be, but they would allow them
to be in the spot they need to if they won.
Speaker 2 (26:15):
Does that make sense? Yeah?
Speaker 7 (26:17):
And so I think what's most interesting is that, like
do they care about strength to schedule?
Speaker 2 (26:22):
Do they care about who you beat? Or is it
who you lost to? Right? Like, if you look at
Notre dames schedule.
Speaker 7 (26:27):
For example, who they lost to is awful, right, And
then you're kind of looking at the strength of the
schedule and saying, who have you beat? It's like, well,
an M, but they just got pounded this week by
your game Cocks, and like they might not have a
ranked opponent by the end of the season on their
schedule depending on how.
Speaker 2 (26:46):
Things fall off, or an M and Army. Obviously they
played to here in a couple of weeks.
Speaker 7 (26:51):
So you start looking at their schedule and go, Okay,
well their loss was bad. Who have they really beat?
They're a one loss team? How do we value that
or how do you view that? You know what I'm saying,
because you're gonna be comparing them versus a lot of
other teams were in the past, you would have to
do that because you were kind of already always using
that thirteenth game indicator as a conference champion over Notre Dame. Right, Well,
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now Notre Dame's thrown into the rest of all those
other teams that don't make it to their conference champion.
So what about a two loss SEC team and for
example Bama if they won out, you know, how do
you compare their resume the fact that they beat Georgia,
who could be one of the top teams, but they've
got a couple of losses. So I actually think like
this becomes more important than ever before forgetting an idea
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about their criteria, what they care about. But then also
like those teams that are in the back into the
top twenty five, very similar to teams we've looked at
that that I want to say, Okay, they do callte
me one hundred percent, But I think the team that
has been furthest back at the first ranking to making
the top four, I believe was somewhere around sixteen fifteen
fourteen something like that that made it eventually by the
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end of the season in the top four.
Speaker 2 (28:04):
So it gives us an idea. You know, so the team's.
Speaker 7 (28:08):
Ranked top twenty five, like they're non twenty five, twenty four,
they may very well be able to play their way
into the top let's just say eleven, because you're gonna
have the top group of five group of five conference
champion get in and they might not be in the
top twelve. So let's just say somewhere in that top eleven,
they could make their way in by the end of
the season with you know what, four weeks to play,
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five weeks to play, whatever it is.
Speaker 6 (28:30):
Just four give me, give me Conforce championship game, Conference conference,
give me Penn State, Notre Dame.
Speaker 5 (28:39):
He just saw that on that they did was the
college playoff. They just project projected the brackets. They got
us playing.
Speaker 7 (28:47):
Swing which in this instance, I believe you guys would host,
we would host, which I mean I would go, But
I mean I wouldn't want to be getting involved in
a Jason Kelsey situation.
Speaker 2 (28:58):
You know what I'm saying, Well, you been there. I'll
tell you it's different.
Speaker 6 (29:02):
It's different if it's if it's Penn State, Notre Dame,
and we're not there.
Speaker 2 (29:07):
Like, if they don't send the show for that, I
will be there. I mean, I mean, I'll be there.
Come on, man, let's make this up. I might Here's
here's what I might do.
Speaker 7 (29:14):
I might look at the dates and I literally might
try to hit up the GM at our boys a
graduate and say, hey, can we just get a room
block of four rooms and just I mean, I'm not
gonna have Jonas.
Speaker 2 (29:26):
And leave room together. I'm not sure where that's gonna go,
but I'm just.
Speaker 7 (29:29):
Gonna make the plan for our show to go before
it's even approved by anyone.
Speaker 6 (29:35):
Yeah, you know, it's the old ask for forgiveness, not permission.
Speaker 2 (29:39):
You know, exactly better at that time, exactly.
Speaker 1 (29:41):
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Speaker 2 (29:52):
Right now, we welcome in the smooth operator.
Speaker 6 (29:55):
He is Pete Prisco of CBS Sports and CBS Sports
h you senior NFL columnist. You can get them on
x at Prisco, CBS. Pete, good morning, Happy trade, deadline day.
Speaker 3 (30:08):
Yeah right, by the.
Speaker 9 (30:08):
Way, you love the way you say senior, like I'm
the oldest guy in the room.
Speaker 6 (30:13):
No, I think just there it's an extra special media.
Speaker 2 (30:17):
Who's who's older than you? Yeah?
Speaker 5 (30:19):
Nobody, well not in this room, and that's not very
often for me anymore.
Speaker 2 (30:24):
But hey, Pete, how you doing today?
Speaker 9 (30:26):
I'm good, I'm good. Did you put your sticker on
like everybody else to walk around with that voter?
Speaker 2 (30:32):
Well, first off, did you even vote?
Speaker 3 (30:34):
Yes?
Speaker 2 (30:35):
Okay, all right, Well I don't know. We don't get
into the stuff. Usually it's just talking football, talking sports.
By the way, the sticker we.
Speaker 3 (30:43):
Could talk about.
Speaker 9 (30:44):
Come on, all right, but you know right on.
Speaker 2 (30:47):
The sticker you're going your rant. The sticker bothers you
that much?
Speaker 9 (30:52):
Well, I mean it's you, it's your civic duty to vote.
Do you get to walk around with the sticker saying
you did it?
Speaker 2 (30:56):
Agreed? Come on?
Speaker 7 (30:58):
But don't you think they're kind of symbolized to everyone
else that like, hey, I did my part?
Speaker 2 (31:02):
Where are you? You know?
Speaker 3 (31:05):
Yeah?
Speaker 9 (31:05):
Maybe no, I wouldn't wear the sticker.
Speaker 2 (31:08):
I'm with you, Pete, Like the sticker is a bit much.
I voted.
Speaker 7 (31:13):
I didn't need to wear it like a flex for
some re Pete, who in the CBS office down there
is gonna be wearing a sticker today?
Speaker 9 (31:20):
I don't know, but I can't wait to go in
and see because I'm gonna taken why you're wearing your sticker?
Speaker 2 (31:25):
Jamie Eisenberg, Well, Jamie Eisenberg wearing a snell.
Speaker 9 (31:28):
He would not wear He would not wear a sticker.
None of you guys would wear a sticker, would you.
Speaker 5 (31:32):
God, I'm not a sticker guy. No, you said, I
just do I just do what I do? You know
what I mean?
Speaker 2 (31:39):
Eight, Pete?
Speaker 6 (31:41):
Is there a player is Darius Smith just got traded
obviously to the Lions. Pretty good move for Detroit there
following the Aiden Hutchinson injury. But is there a move
that you would like to see made by a team
or a player on the go that you think could
impact the rest of the season for him?
Speaker 3 (31:57):
I wouldn't stop.
Speaker 9 (31:58):
If I'm the Lions, I'll be honest with you, I'd
go get arden Key if I could, I'd call the Titans.
Then I get two pass rushers you're never going to replace. Look,
Darry Smith can't replace Aiden Hutchinson. But if you're only
going to go. If you're really making a push to
go get the super Bowl, go get another one. And
I think arden Key could be had. You know, you
look at the Titans. They've been selling off pieces already.
So call the Titan and say, you know what, I'll
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give you five or six for arden Key. Now, all
of a sudden, you have two guys that can rush
the passer and help your team. So if you're all in,
that's what If I'm the Lions, that's what I'm doing.
Speaker 2 (32:31):
Going all in. Huh, Well, yeah, you got to go.
Speaker 9 (32:34):
All in there.
Speaker 3 (32:35):
I mean, they got a real chance to win.
Speaker 2 (32:36):
The whole thing is still out there. You know what's
that Reddick is out there?
Speaker 3 (32:43):
Yeah? Is he? I mean, I don't know if i'd
go get Key.
Speaker 9 (32:51):
I think Key's a good veteran to have on that team.
You know, he plays within the niable style. I think
he'd give them what they need. I think that would
be to me, That's what.
Speaker 3 (32:58):
I would do if I were Lion.
Speaker 6 (33:00):
Interesting, do you see anybody in the NFC that's a
legitimate threat to the Lions, because it feels like there's
a significant difference between them and the next best team.
Speaker 9 (33:12):
Well, I think the Packers are when they're healthy.
Speaker 3 (33:14):
They just weren't. Yes, last week was bad for them.
Speaker 9 (33:17):
I mean, you know, the quarterback couldn't move the you know,
didn't have Alexander, which is big in their defense. And yeah,
I think the Packers could be but they got to
stay healthy. They got to get their quarterback healthy. That's
the biggest problem for them right now.
Speaker 2 (33:32):
Elsewhere.
Speaker 9 (33:34):
You know, if you got to go to Detroit and play, you're.
Speaker 3 (33:35):
Gonna have to keep up.
Speaker 9 (33:36):
And so who could keep up? That's the question. You
look at Washington, can they keep up? Do they make
a move? That's an interesting one too.
Speaker 3 (33:43):
Do they make a move.
Speaker 9 (33:45):
At the deadline to go get somebody like a cornerback
from somebody. I mean, you know there's all these rumblings about,
you know, will the same trade laddim or do you
make a move to go get that kind of guy
because they need to upgrade to cornerback. But they have
the offense to score with them. The question is do
they have the defense to stop them? And that's the biggest,
biggest part of it is that can you slow them
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down at their place as.
Speaker 3 (34:06):
They're playing at home.
Speaker 9 (34:07):
You don't like Philly, you know, I want I want
that game on tape.
Speaker 3 (34:12):
The other look, the quarterback. I worry about the quarterback
a little.
Speaker 2 (34:15):
Bit, I really do.
Speaker 9 (34:16):
I think he hasn't improved and that's the biggest concern
for me in Philly. And and defensively they're good on
they are good on both lines, but they still don't
wow you. And I mean they like Jacksonville, who's an
awful team and was ready to get on the boat
to go to Bermuda back in the game and Jacksonville
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a chance to go win that game late that there's
something off about the Eagles.
Speaker 3 (34:41):
Maybe it's the coaching, maybe it's the quarterback.
Speaker 9 (34:43):
They just don't look like they're right there with those
kind of teams for me.
Speaker 2 (34:47):
Pete don't want to ask you about Chicago.
Speaker 7 (34:49):
First off, though, where is their vacation destination that they'll
be booking tickets for soon.
Speaker 9 (34:55):
Well, you know, when we were at Arizona State, all
the Midwesterners came down and went to like the beach
in Mexico, So they're probably going to the beaches in Mexico.
That's where there go.
Speaker 3 (35:04):
Or you know, they could also make it. They could
make a decision to split it and half.
Speaker 9 (35:08):
Of them go down to the Bahamas and have go
to Mexico because they're on their way, by the way
to what we saw the last couple.
Speaker 7 (35:14):
So they've held their plane tickets down to their Mexico
or the Bahamas. But I want to ask you this,
are you concerned with just where the direction of where
this team's at? I mean, it seems like the last
few weeks they're starting to fall apart of the seams.
Speaker 2 (35:25):
There's a lot of this tournament.
Speaker 7 (35:26):
It sounds like, amongst the players and the play and
everything else, what are you seeing for Chicago right now?
Speaker 2 (35:31):
Where do you think this thing's heading?
Speaker 3 (35:33):
It's not heading in a good spot.
Speaker 9 (35:35):
I can tell you that because the schedule gets really
tough for them. And I look at that team. I
think when you see in fighting and you see guys
complaining about the coaches, publicly complaining about the coaches, that
doesn't happen all the time, you're asking for it. And
so I think that they have major issues. I think
there's going to be a coaching change. And quite frankly,
the quarterback hasn't been great either.
Speaker 3 (35:56):
I mean, you know, he.
Speaker 9 (35:57):
Had that fourth quarter against Washington where he did some things,
but aside from that he hasn't been very good the
last two weeks, and so again, Brady, he's back to
what he's been doing, what he did earlier in the year.
This isn't usc You can't spin around for forty two
minutes behind the line of scrimmage and hope to make
a play. And I think he's got to get away
from that again and get back to playing football now.
Speaker 3 (36:18):
In fairness to him, he had.
Speaker 9 (36:19):
Both his tackles out last week, so that was a problem.
Speaker 2 (36:21):
Yeah, no doubt.
Speaker 7 (36:22):
And we've kind of touched on that earlier about him
kind of passing up the easy one to want to
take big shots and make big plays. Is that more
concerning though? Is it that or crying in his mom's bosoms?
Which one bothered you?
Speaker 9 (36:33):
Well, I never let you know how I feel about
crying after a game. You know you never cry after
a game.
Speaker 3 (36:38):
I mean, come on, give me a break.
Speaker 7 (36:39):
So so what was it the crying that bothered you
or the crying in his mom's bosoms? Which one was
the worst?
Speaker 2 (36:44):
Saying? Ay?
Speaker 9 (36:46):
Nd, I mean, I just look, you don't cry over
losing a football game. Like I've always said, if losing
a football game is the worst thing that happened in
your life. You've had a hell of a damn life.
That's all I have to say about that, because there's
no reason you should be crying over losing a football
game ever, ever in my mind, and again, to go
up into the stands and cry after a game and
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on national TV for all to see, that that bothered me.
Speaker 7 (37:12):
This is also coming though, from a man who has
admitted on National Live Radio.
Speaker 2 (37:17):
That you did want space.
Speaker 7 (37:18):
We try to end a young man's ability to have
kids in the future playing high school football underneath a pile.
Speaker 9 (37:26):
Uh maybe I did, by the way, In fact, maybe
I did, because I yeah, well, he stepped on my
he stepped on my hand with their old time tweets
when I was on after the play, So eye for
an eye, right, So I went.
Speaker 2 (37:37):
You grabbed this Franklin berries, is what you're saying.
Speaker 3 (37:40):
You're damn right.
Speaker 9 (37:40):
I didn't, And he screamed like with the highest pitch
voice you've ever heard on a football feel I can
tell you that.
Speaker 6 (37:46):
Uh, Pete, what do you think is the New Orleans
Saints direction after this year? Because if you're like kind
of speculating right now on available jobs in the NFL
after the season this one does and feel like it's
real high on the list. So what sort of candidate,
what sort of coach could they hope to obtain if
they decided to move on from Darren Rizzy as the
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interim guy, if this season does it get turned around?
Speaker 3 (38:12):
Well, here's the problem. Their cap is a disaster. I mean,
it's going to be a three year fix.
Speaker 9 (38:18):
So whoever does take that job better get assurances they're
getting like a six or seven year contract because.
Speaker 3 (38:23):
It is awful.
Speaker 9 (38:25):
Remember they're the team that kept pushing money out every year,
out out out. Well, the bill is due and the
bill is coming do and the players are getting old,
and it's a major problem. That job is not an
attractive job at all, and so it's a great fan
base when when you win and people forget Back in
the day when they were awful, nobody went to those games,
So it's it's not a good situation. So I think
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that's going to either be a young guy who just
wants an opportunitybody better get a long term deal. He's
going to have a four year deal and get out
of there in two or it's going to be one
of these guys that you know, old time guys that
wants another opportunity to come in there and says, look,
I'll take the retirement money, give me five years. If
you fire me in two.
Speaker 3 (39:05):
I'll do that.
Speaker 9 (39:06):
But it's not a good situation. And I thought before
the season age was becoming an issue across the board,
but then they had all those injuries and it really
went off the rail. So it's not a great job.
Speaker 5 (39:16):
Are you looking at how them letting go of Alan?
You know, we heard Jerry Jones say that that he
would be an idiot or a moron or whatever it was.
He isn't that and he wouldn't fire a coach during
the season, but it seems like that's becoming more and
more of a trend in today's NFL. Do you think
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that there's the possibilities that Jerry might have to go
back on his word of basically saying you have to
be an idiot to get rid of your coach during
the season. I mean, Dallas is in the same type
of position that I mean, may be worse if you think,
than what the New Orleans Saints are in right now.
Speaker 9 (39:56):
Yeah, and look, the Cowboys are in big trouble now.
Prescott's out. They're not gonna win games. So yeah, I mean,
but this following this, firing coach in the middle of
the season ever solved anything. And the answer to that
question is no. But what it does do it allows
you to get a head start on next year and
who you might be eyeing, and get the process going
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a little bit with without having a guy looking over
his shoulder all the time. So I think from that standpoint, maybe,
but I don't think it changes anything for a team.
What are the New Orleans Saints going to do with
Rizzy coaching them? Are they going to do it because
the roster's depleted? Are they going to change anything in
that building? It doesn't make any sense. So no, I don't.
I don't think firing a coach in season unless unless
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you want to get the process started and start looking
around and see what's out there and tell the fan base, look,
we're not gonna we're not going to tolerate this, you know,
awful football, and we are going to be better.
Speaker 3 (40:50):
We're going to start looking for somebody to make the improvement.
Speaker 9 (40:52):
So I think in a lot of situations, the general
managers should be the one who's fired, in large part
because he's the one that built the crappy roster, Pete.
Speaker 6 (40:59):
Is because you had the Saints minus seven and a
half this weekend at Carolina?
Speaker 2 (41:03):
Is that what happened?
Speaker 3 (41:04):
No, but I will complain about one.
Speaker 9 (41:06):
I got one that I complained about though, the Eagles.
Speaker 3 (41:10):
Twenty two nothing at the half.
Speaker 9 (41:11):
Are you kidding me?
Speaker 2 (41:13):
You're on the right side of that one, though you were?
Speaker 9 (41:15):
I was on Yes, Yes, that was one.
Speaker 3 (41:17):
I was on the right side of it.
Speaker 9 (41:18):
When you look at when you look at Nick Sirianni
and his stupidity of not kicking field goals up six
to make it nine point game.
Speaker 3 (41:27):
Then he kept going for it for going.
Speaker 9 (41:29):
For two twice he didn't kick field goals and then
they converted a fourth and twelve. Jackson really go get
the touchdown to cover late. That give me a break
that they had no business being in that game. When
you have a team down like that, you put them away.
That's why I'm concerned about the Eagles. And so yeah,
that's one. I was on the right side of it,
and it went rock real quick.
Speaker 7 (41:49):
Can you have a shout out to your boy camp Scottaboo.
I mean that that dude can tote the rock man?
Speaker 3 (41:54):
Can you tote the Rock in the National Football League.
Speaker 2 (41:57):
I think that can but I feel like you might be.
Speaker 3 (42:01):
But you know he's hurt. He's hurt this week.
Speaker 9 (42:03):
You know that, right, he might not play this and
the way he plays is so violent.
Speaker 3 (42:08):
He takes so many hits.
Speaker 9 (42:10):
I worry about that kid.
Speaker 3 (42:11):
But boy, he's a tough, tough running back. I love
watching them play. And by the way, I will give a.
Speaker 9 (42:17):
Shout out to head coach Kenny Dillingham, and you know
I don't do that all the time when it comes
to my album Mater.
Speaker 3 (42:23):
What he's done with that team is impressive. It really is.
Speaker 9 (42:26):
Because they don't have the manpowered, they don't have the
money that everybody else has, and they don't.
Speaker 3 (42:30):
Have the ability to build a roster. But he has
that team competitive.
Speaker 9 (42:34):
And if they went out, I think they play in
the Big twelfth title game, am I am?
Speaker 3 (42:39):
I right?
Speaker 7 (42:40):
They need some help, but I believe if they went
out they would have a shot. Yes, I believe there's
like one other scenario that needs to take place. But
either way, up top Jonas hell, yeah, Cam Scataboo ho
a running back position. Just just want to point that
out there for you to Pete LeVar.
Speaker 6 (42:55):
By the way, it looks like he does curls every
hour of every single day. A cam scat, a boo, oh,
my goodness, my gosh.
Speaker 2 (43:03):
Two pros and a cup of joe.
Speaker 6 (43:05):
Here on Fox Sports Radio, we got a positive Pete
Prisco today.
Speaker 2 (43:08):
Pete, are you doing?
Speaker 3 (43:10):
I did rip.
Speaker 9 (43:11):
I did rip the sticker, so I got that, Pete.
Speaker 2 (43:16):
I have a good one.
Speaker 3 (43:17):
Uh all right, guys, take care.
It's the best of two pros and a couple Joe
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Speaker 2 (00:13):
How the hell we feel? What are we doing today? Yeah?
How the hell are we feeling? Hey, fellows? How you doing? Death?
Taxes and Patrick Mahomes?
Speaker 3 (00:23):
Uh?
Speaker 2 (00:24):
Overtime win that drive to go win at all? Yep,
just one of those.
Speaker 4 (00:28):
It's almost like he remembers death and taxes and Patrick Mahomes.
It's almost like he remembers the the AFC Championship game
against the Patriots where they didn't get the ball back
and New England just went down the field and scored
on the first possession, and Mahomes was like, Yeah, I
don't want that to happen again.
Speaker 2 (00:43):
It's I'll just take care of hey man.
Speaker 5 (00:46):
DeAndre Hopkins is washed, man, Like, let him go for pennies.
We don't need them. He doesn't have anything to offer us.
Speaker 6 (00:55):
Next to Tyreek Hill. That's the best wide receiver he's
played with. Correct, he looked good last night. I'll say that.
Definitely the most accomplished. But now, as far as the
Kansas City Chiefs brand of football, is this just what
it's going to be moving forward, just not pretty. You know,
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maybe they're not going to cover a nine point spread.
Doesn't that become pretty?
Speaker 5 (01:20):
Doesn't the fact that they've consistently given you what you
want without giving you everything you want? Isn't that like,
doesn't that turn into some type of form of artistry.
I mean at this point, you just got to buy
into it. Listen, get Yeah. I mean Tampa Bay came
out ready to get it. Baker Mayfield was dealing like
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you know, they played. It was a good game. I
did not realize that that Tampa Bay was that good.
They're pretty good. They're pretty good. So I mean DeAndre
Hopkins snapped out. I mean he snapped. I mean he
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snapped and and this this Kansas City Chiefs team, I
mean they play defense.
Speaker 2 (02:07):
What's the linebacker? Fifty? What fifty? What's his name? Carloftis?
Speaker 5 (02:11):
Oh my gosh, man, he's all yeah, dude, that dude's
like the Boogeyman for real. Man, He's out there like
like Casper the friendly goes.
Speaker 6 (02:21):
I mean, Pat Petrus is probably a fan of him.
He's Greek, correct, He's a he's from.
Speaker 2 (02:25):
Pretty carloftis, Yes, I believe that's great.
Speaker 5 (02:28):
Yeah, sweet I thought they did really well, man, I mean,
and they consistently do it, so you can't say it's
like fluky, like, oh.
Speaker 2 (02:35):
It's not pretty. They don't put up as many points.
Oh no, No, this is that they are.
Speaker 5 (02:40):
They have found a different rhythm in a different way
of how they approach winning games. And you know what,
there ain't no and I don't think it's fool's gold.
Speaker 2 (02:47):
To your point.
Speaker 7 (02:48):
I think if we look at this Chiefs team, if
they win three in a row, we throw through out
of the word dynasty. I think they'd be very deserving
obviously of that, given what they've already accomplished.
Speaker 2 (03:01):
By the way, probably one of.
Speaker 7 (03:02):
The more underrated things though about this Chiefs organization has
been their ability to draft and evaluate talent, hit and
develop that talent. If you look at the defensive side
of the ball, how many of those guys had they
just drafted, maintained their head, you know, and allowed them
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to develop into the players that they are.
Speaker 2 (03:27):
They don't sign a ton of free agents and the
hit agents.
Speaker 7 (03:33):
I mean, but what I'm saying, we we all know
about homes, we all don't know about their offense. You
Adam Hopkins had a few of the pieces. But they
have done an unbelievable job at drafting and developing players.
I mean, we all know about Worthy, we all know
at Creed Humphrey, right like, on the off side of
the ball.
Speaker 2 (03:52):
But go to the defensive side of the ball.
Speaker 7 (03:53):
Look at Carloftis for example, look at some of the
other players they've had on defense, and it might come
to a point where they'd have to let them go.
Lagarious Sneed was one of them, right, he's again drafted developed.
All right, he wants to pay a somewhere else. We can't,
you know, meet that number, so be it. But they
find other players, they find other players in that defense.
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I can step up, be that guy. And you know
their selling point is we can be competitive with other
potential offers in free agency, but you have a chance
of legitimately winning a Super Bowl every single year you
were here. And I think it's gonna be enough for
some of these guys to go. Yeah, maybe I sacrifice
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five milli or so and I stay here to go
win a Super Bowl with Patrick Mahomes, at least on
the defensive side of the football.
Speaker 2 (04:41):
Because I promise you this two things.
Speaker 7 (04:43):
No one, no defensive player wants to be in the
position that Tampa Bay was once they saw the coin
toss go the way of Kansas City.
Speaker 2 (04:51):
You saw Baker Mayfield's reaction.
Speaker 7 (04:53):
And that's the reality of this Chiefs team is they
are legit can tend to have a legit shot of
going three in a row.
Speaker 2 (05:00):
And it's not just their offense, it's in large part
their defense.
Speaker 7 (05:03):
It's in large part their ability to draft talent developed
talent on that side of the football.
Speaker 6 (05:08):
Now, there was a difficult moment for a lot of people.
Speaker 2 (05:11):
A lot of panic was set in.
Speaker 6 (05:13):
We saw Patrick Mahomes go down look like he tweaked
his ankle yet again, needed to be helped off the field.
At one point he spoke about the injury or the
reaggravation of the injury.
Speaker 8 (05:24):
Last night, I was obviously running for the goal on
was about kind of committed to running the football and
at the last second saw samaj and so kind of
awkwardly rolled the ankle a little bit. Definitely scary. I
think it hurt more just because its the same ankle
I rolled last week. So I scared me a little bit.
But once I kind of took my breath and kind
of calmed down a little bit, ended up being not
too bad, and we were able to go in there
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kind of get the respat and go back on the
football film.
Speaker 2 (05:48):
Got it respat? Yeah, got it respatted? Love that respat.
Speaker 6 (05:53):
I did think that people kind of immediately jumped the
gun because they thought, oh god, he went down with
the injury. But it just looked like, you know, this
little bit of a tweak, came back out there and
he was good to go. He's fine, no problem here.
I also do you find it weird that Andy Reid
still will not let him do the quarterback sneak following
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that injury that took place where he did it. Partially,
they don't need.
Speaker 2 (06:18):
To, they don't need to.
Speaker 7 (06:21):
Why risk anything with him? He puts himself in harms
way enough. Why add that in the play sheet?
Speaker 2 (06:29):
Like I get it.
Speaker 7 (06:30):
I think there's so many, so many teams, so many
different times I said there and just going to send.
Speaker 2 (06:35):
Run a quarterback sneak given the history with it, though,
why I don't know.
Speaker 6 (06:43):
Man, would you've gone for two if you were Todd
Bowles and the end of regulation.
Speaker 5 (06:47):
Going up against them? I mean, who's gonna hold you? Like,
who's going to say, oh, that was a horrible decision
against Patrick Mahomes and Andy reed like, yeah, go for it.
Speaker 2 (06:57):
You're already undermanned. It's the Mahomes rule at this point.
It's rule.
Speaker 7 (07:02):
Let me ask you this, if it was Tom Brady,
if it was paid Manny, would would you.
Speaker 2 (07:05):
Go ahead and go for it?
Speaker 5 (07:07):
Yeah, go ahead and go for it because if he
beat you, yeah, you expected.
Speaker 2 (07:11):
And they beat you. You expected them to beat you.
So go for the two. Now.
Speaker 6 (07:18):
I don't know if you guys know this or not,
but Todd Bowles is known for his energetic responses to
the media.
Speaker 2 (07:23):
Oh, super energetic.
Speaker 6 (07:24):
Yeah, he's got well through the thumb up.
Speaker 5 (07:29):
So we are good this time around, you know, because
because Lee put his thumb up, good morning all we're
good on that.
Speaker 2 (07:35):
So fingers crossed. So here we go.
Speaker 6 (07:38):
Here was Todd Bowles talking about his decision to not
go for two at the end of regulation.
Speaker 5 (07:45):
Very minor.
Speaker 2 (07:45):
We want to get it the overtime. With the wet
conditions on the field, we felt like we had to
go on overtime instead of go for two. So we
had our shots and you know, we lost the game.
What was no, we went for one. We took our shots.
We had our chances all game. We just lost the game.
It didn't come down today.
Speaker 6 (08:02):
Wouldn't it be more difficult to kick the extra point
in those conditions and it would be trying to pick
up two yards?
Speaker 5 (08:08):
No? No, no, But is it worthwhile to do it?
Speaker 2 (08:13):
Sure? I don't know.
Speaker 5 (08:14):
I don't think anybody that's not going to be easier
to get two yards.
Speaker 6 (08:18):
I'm out, Mike Evans, I'm out, Chris Godwin, I'm going
for two. I'm not taking my chances on a coin
flip in overtime. And to Brady's point, Baker Mayfield knew
once they lost the flip, all right, that's it, all right,
there's the game.
Speaker 2 (08:33):
It was a classic reaction. Oh man, gosh, this guy's
gonna beat me.
Speaker 5 (08:39):
Now, well he did. All I know is this. I
like the way Todd Bowles responded. I mean, whether right
or wrong, you know, he's the head coach. He made
the call, he made the decision, and he stood on
it and said, look, that wasn't what determined the game.
They had their shots, and they did, and he did
stand on it. On that bus at least, sound like
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and know what you're talking about when you respond.
Speaker 2 (09:04):
To a question like that.
Speaker 5 (09:05):
No, oh wow, oh wow, it goes. It was a remix.
Speaker 2 (09:12):
Yeah, that's ahah yeah, take on.
Speaker 5 (09:15):
Me, yeah, take on me. But you put stand Stand
on remix. Yeah, you remixed it. I liked it. It
was pretty good.
Speaker 2 (09:22):
Yeah.
Speaker 6 (09:23):
Well, the Chiefs are undefeated, and uh that's pretty good.
Speaker 2 (09:27):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (09:28):
Now the Pittsburgh Steelers were undefeated and everybody called them
fools gold Yeah is this an undefeated team? I ate
him to. Oh that wins ugly at times, the quarterbacks
there you go, all right.
Speaker 2 (09:43):
It's also the year the Steelers did it.
Speaker 6 (09:45):
I think it was twenty twenty, and everybody was just
negative about everything, so bang bang Yeah, there's a lot
of people that are upset about stuff.
Speaker 7 (09:52):
So so wait, you think that that was why I
know I believed the Steelers because there's twenty.
Speaker 6 (09:57):
You know, just trying to We're just like, no, no,
they can't. Yeah, now listen. If their life is miserable
right now, so is mine. I'm gonna go ahead and
take everybody out with me. And they just wanted to
complain about the Steelers, who I think we're twelve and
oh I think the first game they lost was to
Washington and it was one of those Wednesday games. It
was a Wednesday night game, and I think that's when
the NFL kind of realized, wait, we could do this
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on a Wednesday too, Maybe think about this moving forward.
But no, the Chiefs are rolling and with Patrick Mahomes, yeah,
a whole different feel, a whole different vibe because that
was Ben Rohrs.
Speaker 5 (10:29):
Here's a better question, stages. You mentioned dynasty with three
earlier q are they should they be the favorites to
win it?
Speaker 2 (10:40):
Yeah?
Speaker 7 (10:40):
Yeah, with my home I think the the reality is
the best team in the NFL. I know we threw
out Detroit or I think Jonas did yesterday. Can't say
he's the best team in the NFL. It's because who
the quarterback is, they're they're head coach, all the different pieces,
the way that team plays together.
Speaker 2 (10:59):
They just the ways of winning games where they need
to play.
Speaker 7 (11:02):
And the toughest part about the truth of any playoff
format is even though it plays the advantage of Kansas City,
they'll have home field advantage, they'll probably be the number
one overall seed, so they play one less game. All
those things play in their favor, but the truth is
it's a single game scenario where they could have an
off night, something could happen that, you know, an injury
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could happen that throws off the rest of their offensive
defensive game plan, so that it doesn't always mean they
equate to you know, winning that super Bowl that makes
them one. I mean I think you could almost already
make the case. I mean they've won three one in
the last four years.
Speaker 2 (11:40):
Yeah, it's a dynasty. Three in a row is is outrageous.
Speaker 7 (11:46):
Three in a row is outrageous, but even four, like
I actually don't mind the uh, like like the adversity
like in between, you know, yeah, like like they have
the ability to battle back, like they if they keep rolling,
Like if you look at this window of time, they've
been as dominant as any team. All they know is
what AFC Championships games since Pats Mahomes has started. Yea,
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what other team can say that. I mean, so you
can throw the Bills in the conversation, but how long
has Mahomes been starting now?
Speaker 5 (12:13):
I think the Bills are the only team that can
do it. I think that is the only team outside
I think Detroit, if healthy, they can get it done.
But I just think that that might be too big
of a game. If they meet them in the Super Bowl.
Speaker 6 (12:28):
You want to know how good Kansas City's been with
Mahomes a quarterback. Last year was the first year in
the playoffs they had to go on the road. Even
when New England they was like, no, no, we're just
gonna host every playoff game.
Speaker 2 (12:38):
Then we'll get to Super Bowls.
Speaker 6 (12:40):
And at some point, I just I wonder if you're
a Bills fan, you're like, man, we had that run
of four straight, couldn't get it done, waited all that time.
Baltimore music, Oh you think Baltimore, Baltimore.
Speaker 5 (12:52):
And Buffalo, but go ahead. I don't know, man, I
think Baltimore and Buffalo.
Speaker 6 (12:55):
Well, I just like, if you're a Bills fan, it's
got to be aggravating thinking we waited all these years
to finally get back. We've got our quarterback, Like, we've
got a good team and we're building something here and
it just so happens to coincide.
Speaker 5 (13:08):
With Yeah, but I do believe that those are if
there's two teams that can not only stand up to them,
but beat them. I mean, didn't they play the Ravens
in the first game? They almost lost, right, It was
like that was like a very very well played and
that was early Isaiah Likely. I just I think that
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Baltimore that while they can hit you with that, that
one moment that they're not consistent and it just makes
you feel like, come on man, you know what I mean.
Speaker 2 (13:40):
They give you come on man moments.
Speaker 5 (13:41):
But I think Baltimore, when like at the top of
their game, like the way they're playing right now, with
that type of balance, I think they're they're they're going
to be hard to though I know it's.
Speaker 7 (13:53):
Because it's not about it's not about their balance like awesome.
It comes down to Lamar's ability to play from the
pocket in the playoffs, and it's like when it hasn't
worked out that no, because he relies and almost tries
to say, Nope, I'm just gonna I'm gonna take it over,
I'm gonna take off and run, and spag Nola knows it,
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the Chiefs defense knows it.
Speaker 2 (14:18):
They get they get out there, they're just like there's
waiting for it.
Speaker 7 (14:21):
And meanwhile Mahomes just find finds plays dices you up
from the pocket, like the game is still played from
the pocket. And until Baltimore can do that in the playoffs,
it's always gonna be Patrick Mahomes and the Kansas.
Speaker 2 (14:36):
City Chiefs, Okay Bills kind of the same.
Speaker 7 (14:41):
It's kind the difference with the Bills is I felt
like they've kind of never had enough around Alan and
he's obviously had turnover to issues in some of those moments.
But now it's a little different, you know, Amari Cooper.
They do have a supporting cast. They've kind of been better,
but they just have to do it, like they just
have to be able to showcase the fact they can
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do it.
Speaker 2 (15:03):
But they might have a shot. They look there there.
Speaker 5 (15:08):
I thought they had hit their ceiling and we're going down,
like it will go down from here. But it really
clearly to me there they seem like they're a better
team this year. They seem like there's something about them
where they're a pretty dog going good team.
Speaker 2 (15:21):
Man, what do you get at you're saying there's something missing?
Speaker 7 (15:23):
Crazy thing is there's so much football left, don't know,
There's so much football left to be played.
Speaker 6 (15:29):
Yeah, yeah, they look good though, lock and change. Hopefully
everybody stays healthy. We'll get a We'll get Patrick Mahomes
on a run. Maybe Patrick Mahomes Josh Allen. It look
two quarterbacks have beaten him in the playoffs, Tom Brady
and Joe Burrow. So if my Bengals can figure this
thing out and kind of uh, you know, right the
ship here.
Speaker 2 (15:48):
They probably took a blue two before the game. When
did you decide to hop on the Bengals bandwagon? When
I picked him to go to the Super Bowl? What
was that this year? Last year? It was this year? Yeah?
You know who else picked him when to win Super Bowl?
Pete Risco? He's coming on today, Peter this year. No,
he didn't. He didn't pick him.
Speaker 7 (16:05):
In fact, actually to your question, LeVar, he didn't pick
him at any point time after he said that. He
just made the blanket statement of they'll win multiple super
Bowls in ten years.
Speaker 2 (16:15):
Yeah, he's running out of time.
Speaker 7 (16:17):
Gain, he's running out of time in the fact that
I think most people listen to exactly what I just said,
and you wait a second. You claim they're gonna win
multiple super Bowls in ten years, yet you never actually
believe that enough to pick them.
Speaker 2 (16:31):
Yeah, that's a problem.
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Speaker 2 (16:46):
Guys, are you ready?
Speaker 6 (16:47):
It's a big night tonight because the college football twelve
teams Yes playoff rank will be released the initials.
Speaker 2 (16:58):
I mean, what are we looking at?
Speaker 6 (17:00):
Bar?
Speaker 2 (17:00):
Come on, what are we look here? Crap? We are
Penn State? Baby? Oh we are? Yeah. Yeah, we'll bounce back.
Thank you, You're welcome you, thank you. We'll bounce back.
We'll be back.
Speaker 6 (17:17):
So how's this gonna go? What are we looking at here?
The first installment? Obviously we're gonna have you know, we're
not gonna get the official twelve team playoff and then
we'll find out and have fun with the matchups, not
the bye weeks, but the home game playoff games for
teams around college football.
Speaker 2 (17:34):
What's your guest there, Branden?
Speaker 6 (17:35):
What do you think you think Oregon's gonna be sitting
at the top?
Speaker 2 (17:38):
And then who? Well, as we used to do on Tuesdays,
if usually my top what fifteen I think I ended
up doing. I think Oregon's gonna be number one.
Speaker 7 (17:48):
I think number two will be Ohio State with their
most recent win over Penn State.
Speaker 2 (17:52):
I think George is gonna be number three.
Speaker 7 (17:55):
Miami will round out the top four there representing the ACC.
You'll see Texas at number five, Penn's stayed at six,
Indiana at seven, Tennessee at eight, b YU at nine,
Notre Dame at ten, BAM about eleven, and SMU.
Speaker 2 (18:09):
Will be sitting on a twelve spot.
Speaker 7 (18:11):
That's right, that's right, huge win over pitt If you
haven't watched them play this season, they got.
Speaker 2 (18:17):
Some dogs all right.
Speaker 3 (18:19):
Right.
Speaker 7 (18:19):
Lastly, the job they've done down there in Dallas, they're
they're another case study where like you know, everyone's trying
to figure out nil, how do they want to manage
the roster? People need to going down and talk to
people at SMU. The way they've constructed the players on
that team. Uh, they are a sleeper in college football for.
Speaker 2 (18:36):
Me this year. Wow, I mean Penn State's going to
get in. They went six.
Speaker 5 (18:44):
Yeah, yeah, he did have one and said, you want
the pinpoint my school and not Notre Dame. I mean
PenPoint Notre Dame. But but I'm just saying I think
we'll finish out strong. We'll finish out strongly. I'm hoping
we finished out strong. We just gotta be a little
looser in my opinion, just just let it go, you know, like.
Speaker 2 (19:08):
Just just let it all hang out.
Speaker 5 (19:12):
Don't be so conservative man that that's like they got
everything they need. Just play, just play, just let it
let it flow, don't don't get too deep into your heads.
Just let it flow.
Speaker 2 (19:22):
It'll be all right.
Speaker 6 (19:23):
So if this, uh, like let's just pretend that this
is the final playoff rankings, is Brady laid out, will
we have a home game? Yeah, you would be hosting Alabama.
M that would be sweet.
Speaker 2 (19:36):
That would be crazy. That would be crazy. They throw
that bad boy to night. You're doing a white out
for the home playoff game if you get the.
Speaker 7 (19:46):
Multiple whiteouts, like every game in Penn stage should be
a white out.
Speaker 2 (19:49):
Yeah, I don't know. Apparently we we broke the attendance record.
Speaker 7 (19:56):
Yeah yeah really yeah, but it wasn't a night game,
so I was just still broke to a ten dis direct.
Speaker 2 (20:03):
Still broke it, but yeah, still broke it.
Speaker 6 (20:05):
By the way, I sent Brady a text during the
game and I'm like, hey, what's the crowd split there?
And he was like ninety ten Penn State. And then
they were showing the replay of the game yesterday at
them all up.
Speaker 5 (20:16):
Into upper decks. Literally in the corner of the upper
deck you saw only rich you would see in the
different areas. Is if they were like friends with somebody
who went to Pennsilan.
Speaker 2 (20:26):
That's it. It was. It might have been ninety five
to five. I mean it was a strong because.
Speaker 7 (20:33):
Think about it, like when you think about where they
were positioned that stadium, there was just a small upper corner, yeah,
like upper upper corner. Yeah, so there might have been
like five thousand seventh. I mean, I don't know how
many tickets there allotted, but Penn State showed out man
and they had him.
Speaker 2 (20:50):
There's ten to nothing. Just hold onto that momentum.
Speaker 5 (20:55):
Just gotta not try to hold on to the momentum.
You just got to keep throttling down, like let it,
let it loose, don't tighten up, loosen up more like
come on, you know what I mean. Like a punch
and you start landing that punch, you don't stop punching.
You just go ahead and keep punching them ten nothing.
I would have been foot on their neck. Foot on
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the neck, that's all I'm saying. Yeah, because they could
have put the crowd into it.
Speaker 2 (21:21):
Oh, they kept doing. You know what's crazy.
Speaker 5 (21:23):
I was like, I didn't have a good reception, and
they play it like after like.
Speaker 2 (21:27):
When it's when there's a big moment.
Speaker 5 (21:29):
They played the song that Brady's song is, and I
kept recording and I was going to send it to y'all,
and I was like, now I'm a hold off.
Speaker 2 (21:36):
Sure enough, I was right. I was right to hold off. Well,
you could have sent it. I mean we sort of
appreciated it. You wouldn't have got it, though, because my
reception was bad.
Speaker 7 (21:46):
That is the one interesting thing about that place is
no one that I mean, no one gets reception.
Speaker 5 (21:51):
Well, the ad does in some way somehow his phone
be working super good, perfectly.
Speaker 2 (21:59):
Actually, oh yeah, well what makes you say that is
rapid radios?
Speaker 5 (22:03):
I don't know, but the phone be working well, probably
mine don't work.
Speaker 2 (22:08):
Nobody else has worked.
Speaker 7 (22:10):
I thought what was interesting was in this I don't know,
probably gonna get discussed about him as much. When Penn
State went up ten nothing, It's like Ohio State respotted
the answer and it kind of took all the excitement
from the crowd out of it.
Speaker 5 (22:25):
So, yeah, we didn't cause any any you know, penalties
or anything based off of our noise.
Speaker 7 (22:35):
No which and again with their offensive line, when you
think about they moved their left guard to left tackle.
They brought in because hintsman need to play left guard,
because they experienced Dimond Jackson and him had together last
year playing together like that. It worked, like the logic
behind it, the experience those two had, and it didn't
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lead to any pre snap penalties, which you had a
guard playing tackle that stuff to do, especially versus Abdul Carter,
you know, So it was that was I mean, we
you know, we had talked about the offensive line, a
lot of people talked about it, but the lack of
pre stat penalties for guys who are not either accustomer
to playing the position or you know, Carson hadn't really
played this year left guard, so that was significant.
Speaker 6 (23:18):
If you had to project right now, which four teams
are getting to buy at the end of this whole thing,
like a guest.
Speaker 2 (23:25):
Right at the end of it.
Speaker 7 (23:28):
I still think Ohio stayed in a rematch beats organ
for the Big Ten Championships, so they get a bye.
I think George is the best team in the SEC,
so I think they'll ultimately win the SEC.
Speaker 2 (23:38):
I'm too with you.
Speaker 7 (23:39):
I think Miami will win the ACC at least. I mean,
they're kind of playing with fire. But man, you can't
bet against Camboard.
Speaker 2 (23:48):
The way they're playing right now.
Speaker 7 (23:49):
You cannot bet against them. So I'll say Miami had
the ACC. So there's your first three and then the
big twelve champ. You know, b Yu's at the top
of the conference. Oh man, it's crazy, though. I mean,
Colorado still is a shot, like they if they went out,
Colorado will be playing in it.
Speaker 2 (24:06):
That's crazy. That's crazy. But Iowa States right there too.
Speaker 7 (24:10):
They're a really good football team. I'm leaning more it's
hard to pick against BYU because they keep stepping up
and winning games and they need to and I have
to look at their schedule.
Speaker 2 (24:20):
But let's just say.
Speaker 7 (24:21):
B YU for the sake of where they're at right now,
and they're undefeated.
Speaker 2 (24:26):
But those would be the four teams that will get
the battle.
Speaker 5 (24:27):
I'm solid with the first three. I have no idea
what the fourth would be. I'm not sure, yeah, because
the committee is still done by a whole selection committee process.
Speaker 2 (24:38):
Not it's not how how are they how are they
get to determined?
Speaker 7 (24:41):
Because you're gonna have the four conference champs wind up
receiving those bots.
Speaker 5 (24:46):
They're going to get. So that's like a mandatory based
on their rankings. Yeah, so I thought it wasn't based
on ranking.
Speaker 2 (24:55):
It is, and it's not.
Speaker 7 (24:56):
That's that's why I like, dude, I'm telling you, so
many people are going to see the top twelve and
think just because they're team's in the top twelve the playoff,
and they're not because, like, for example, Boise would be
the highest ranked Power five conference champion if they won
out and they were currently not ranked in the top
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twelve of the A people. So if you use the
A people as a comparison, Boise would go in as
the fifteen ranked team and the A people but they
would go in and be a part of the playoff.
So there's gonna be a lot of people who are
not really understanding how this whole thing works.
Speaker 6 (25:35):
It kind of feels like this doesn't matter. Next week
doesn't matter, the one after that doesn't matter. This is
all just a production like this is noo.
Speaker 7 (25:45):
I would say it matters for this reason because twofold,
back when the playoff rankings first started coming out, you
got an idea of what the Playoff Committee's criteria was
that they actually cared about. And what they would do
is they would position teams that oftentimes maybe even had
a better resume, but they would almost wait for the
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schedule to play itself out, so they would kind of
position them where they were close but not maybe were
they they needed to be, but they would allow them
to be in the spot they need to if they won.
Speaker 2 (26:15):
Does that make sense? Yeah?
Speaker 7 (26:17):
And so I think what's most interesting is that, like
do they care about strength to schedule?
Speaker 2 (26:22):
Do they care about who you beat? Or is it
who you lost to? Right? Like, if you look at
Notre dames schedule.
Speaker 7 (26:27):
For example, who they lost to is awful, right, And
then you're kind of looking at the strength of the
schedule and saying, who have you beat? It's like, well,
an M, but they just got pounded this week by
your game Cocks, and like they might not have a
ranked opponent by the end of the season on their
schedule depending on how.
Speaker 2 (26:46):
Things fall off, or an M and Army. Obviously they
played to here in a couple of weeks.
Speaker 7 (26:51):
So you start looking at their schedule and go, Okay,
well their loss was bad. Who have they really beat?
They're a one loss team? How do we value that
or how do you view that? You know what I'm saying,
because you're gonna be comparing them versus a lot of
other teams were in the past, you would have to
do that because you were kind of already always using
that thirteenth game indicator as a conference champion over Notre Dame. Right, Well,
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now Notre Dame's thrown into the rest of all those
other teams that don't make it to their conference champion.
So what about a two loss SEC team and for
example Bama if they won out, you know, how do
you compare their resume the fact that they beat Georgia,
who could be one of the top teams, but they've
got a couple of losses. So I actually think like
this becomes more important than ever before forgetting an idea
(27:39):
about their criteria, what they care about. But then also
like those teams that are in the back into the
top twenty five, very similar to teams we've looked at
that that I want to say, Okay, they do callte
me one hundred percent, But I think the team that
has been furthest back at the first ranking to making
the top four, I believe was somewhere around sixteen fifteen
fourteen something like that that made it eventually by the
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end of the season in the top four.
Speaker 2 (28:04):
So it gives us an idea. You know, so the team's.
Speaker 7 (28:08):
Ranked top twenty five, like they're non twenty five, twenty four,
they may very well be able to play their way
into the top let's just say eleven, because you're gonna
have the top group of five group of five conference
champion get in and they might not be in the
top twelve. So let's just say somewhere in that top eleven,
they could make their way in by the end of
the season with you know what, four weeks to play,
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five weeks to play, whatever it is.
Speaker 6 (28:30):
Just four give me, give me Conforce championship game, Conference conference,
give me Penn State, Notre Dame.
Speaker 5 (28:39):
He just saw that on that they did was the
college playoff. They just project projected the brackets. They got
us playing.
Speaker 7 (28:47):
Swing which in this instance, I believe you guys would host,
we would host, which I mean I would go, But
I mean I wouldn't want to be getting involved in
a Jason Kelsey situation.
Speaker 2 (28:58):
You know what I'm saying, Well, you been there. I'll
tell you it's different.
Speaker 6 (29:02):
It's different if it's if it's Penn State, Notre Dame,
and we're not there.
Speaker 2 (29:07):
Like, if they don't send the show for that, I
will be there. I mean, I mean, I'll be there.
Come on, man, let's make this up. I might Here's
here's what I might do.
Speaker 7 (29:14):
I might look at the dates and I literally might
try to hit up the GM at our boys a
graduate and say, hey, can we just get a room
block of four rooms and just I mean, I'm not
gonna have Jonas.
Speaker 2 (29:26):
And leave room together. I'm not sure where that's gonna go,
but I'm just.
Speaker 7 (29:29):
Gonna make the plan for our show to go before
it's even approved by anyone.
Speaker 6 (29:35):
Yeah, you know, it's the old ask for forgiveness, not permission.
Speaker 2 (29:39):
You know, exactly better at that time, exactly.
Speaker 1 (29:41):
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Speaker 2 (29:52):
Right now, we welcome in the smooth operator.
Speaker 6 (29:55):
He is Pete Prisco of CBS Sports and CBS Sports
h you senior NFL columnist. You can get them on
x at Prisco, CBS. Pete, good morning, Happy trade, deadline day.
Speaker 3 (30:08):
Yeah right, by the.
Speaker 9 (30:08):
Way, you love the way you say senior, like I'm
the oldest guy in the room.
Speaker 6 (30:13):
No, I think just there it's an extra special media.
Speaker 2 (30:17):
Who's who's older than you? Yeah?
Speaker 5 (30:19):
Nobody, well not in this room, and that's not very
often for me anymore.
Speaker 2 (30:24):
But hey, Pete, how you doing today?
Speaker 9 (30:26):
I'm good, I'm good. Did you put your sticker on
like everybody else to walk around with that voter?
Speaker 2 (30:32):
Well, first off, did you even vote?
Speaker 3 (30:34):
Yes?
Speaker 2 (30:35):
Okay, all right, Well I don't know. We don't get
into the stuff. Usually it's just talking football, talking sports.
By the way, the sticker we.
Speaker 3 (30:43):
Could talk about.
Speaker 9 (30:44):
Come on, all right, but you know right on.
Speaker 2 (30:47):
The sticker you're going your rant. The sticker bothers you
that much?
Speaker 9 (30:52):
Well, I mean it's you, it's your civic duty to vote.
Do you get to walk around with the sticker saying
you did it?
Speaker 2 (30:56):
Agreed? Come on?
Speaker 7 (30:58):
But don't you think they're kind of symbolized to everyone
else that like, hey, I did my part?
Speaker 2 (31:02):
Where are you? You know?
Speaker 3 (31:05):
Yeah?
Speaker 9 (31:05):
Maybe no, I wouldn't wear the sticker.
Speaker 2 (31:08):
I'm with you, Pete, Like the sticker is a bit much.
I voted.
Speaker 7 (31:13):
I didn't need to wear it like a flex for
some re Pete, who in the CBS office down there
is gonna be wearing a sticker today?
Speaker 9 (31:20):
I don't know, but I can't wait to go in
and see because I'm gonna taken why you're wearing your sticker?
Speaker 2 (31:25):
Jamie Eisenberg, Well, Jamie Eisenberg wearing a snell.
Speaker 9 (31:28):
He would not wear He would not wear a sticker.
None of you guys would wear a sticker, would you.
Speaker 5 (31:32):
God, I'm not a sticker guy. No, you said, I
just do I just do what I do? You know
what I mean?
Speaker 2 (31:39):
Eight, Pete?
Speaker 6 (31:41):
Is there a player is Darius Smith just got traded
obviously to the Lions. Pretty good move for Detroit there
following the Aiden Hutchinson injury. But is there a move
that you would like to see made by a team
or a player on the go that you think could
impact the rest of the season for him?
Speaker 3 (31:57):
I wouldn't stop.
Speaker 9 (31:58):
If I'm the Lions, I'll be honest with you, I'd
go get arden Key if I could, I'd call the Titans.
Then I get two pass rushers you're never going to replace. Look,
Darry Smith can't replace Aiden Hutchinson. But if you're only
going to go. If you're really making a push to
go get the super Bowl, go get another one. And
I think arden Key could be had. You know, you
look at the Titans. They've been selling off pieces already.
So call the Titan and say, you know what, I'll
(32:19):
give you five or six for arden Key. Now, all
of a sudden, you have two guys that can rush
the passer and help your team. So if you're all in,
that's what If I'm the Lions, that's what I'm doing.
Speaker 2 (32:31):
Going all in. Huh, Well, yeah, you got to go.
Speaker 9 (32:34):
All in there.
Speaker 3 (32:35):
I mean, they got a real chance to win.
Speaker 2 (32:36):
The whole thing is still out there. You know what's
that Reddick is out there?
Speaker 3 (32:43):
Yeah? Is he? I mean, I don't know if i'd
go get Key.
Speaker 9 (32:51):
I think Key's a good veteran to have on that team.
You know, he plays within the niable style. I think
he'd give them what they need. I think that would
be to me, That's what.
Speaker 3 (32:58):
I would do if I were Lion.
Speaker 6 (33:00):
Interesting, do you see anybody in the NFC that's a
legitimate threat to the Lions, because it feels like there's
a significant difference between them and the next best team.
Speaker 9 (33:12):
Well, I think the Packers are when they're healthy.
Speaker 3 (33:14):
They just weren't. Yes, last week was bad for them.
Speaker 9 (33:17):
I mean, you know, the quarterback couldn't move the you know,
didn't have Alexander, which is big in their defense. And yeah,
I think the Packers could be but they got to
stay healthy. They got to get their quarterback healthy. That's
the biggest problem for them right now.
Speaker 2 (33:32):
Elsewhere.
Speaker 9 (33:34):
You know, if you got to go to Detroit and play, you're.
Speaker 3 (33:35):
Gonna have to keep up.
Speaker 9 (33:36):
And so who could keep up? That's the question. You
look at Washington, can they keep up? Do they make
a move? That's an interesting one too.
Speaker 3 (33:43):
Do they make a move.
Speaker 9 (33:45):
At the deadline to go get somebody like a cornerback
from somebody. I mean, you know there's all these rumblings about,
you know, will the same trade laddim or do you
make a move to go get that kind of guy
because they need to upgrade to cornerback. But they have
the offense to score with them. The question is do
they have the defense to stop them? And that's the biggest,
biggest part of it is that can you slow them
(34:05):
down at their place as.
Speaker 3 (34:06):
They're playing at home.
Speaker 9 (34:07):
You don't like Philly, you know, I want I want
that game on tape.
Speaker 3 (34:12):
The other look, the quarterback. I worry about the quarterback
a little.
Speaker 2 (34:15):
Bit, I really do.
Speaker 9 (34:16):
I think he hasn't improved and that's the biggest concern
for me in Philly. And and defensively they're good on
they are good on both lines, but they still don't
wow you. And I mean they like Jacksonville, who's an
awful team and was ready to get on the boat
to go to Bermuda back in the game and Jacksonville
(34:37):
a chance to go win that game late that there's
something off about the Eagles.
Speaker 3 (34:41):
Maybe it's the coaching, maybe it's the quarterback.
Speaker 9 (34:43):
They just don't look like they're right there with those
kind of teams for me.
Speaker 2 (34:47):
Pete don't want to ask you about Chicago.
Speaker 7 (34:49):
First off, though, where is their vacation destination that they'll
be booking tickets for soon.
Speaker 9 (34:55):
Well, you know, when we were at Arizona State, all
the Midwesterners came down and went to like the beach
in Mexico, So they're probably going to the beaches in Mexico.
That's where there go.
Speaker 3 (35:04):
Or you know, they could also make it. They could
make a decision to split it and half.
Speaker 9 (35:08):
Of them go down to the Bahamas and have go
to Mexico because they're on their way, by the way
to what we saw the last couple.
Speaker 7 (35:14):
So they've held their plane tickets down to their Mexico
or the Bahamas. But I want to ask you this,
are you concerned with just where the direction of where
this team's at? I mean, it seems like the last
few weeks they're starting to fall apart of the seams.
Speaker 2 (35:25):
There's a lot of this tournament.
Speaker 7 (35:26):
It sounds like, amongst the players and the play and
everything else, what are you seeing for Chicago right now?
Speaker 2 (35:31):
Where do you think this thing's heading?
Speaker 3 (35:33):
It's not heading in a good spot.
Speaker 9 (35:35):
I can tell you that because the schedule gets really
tough for them. And I look at that team. I
think when you see in fighting and you see guys
complaining about the coaches, publicly complaining about the coaches, that
doesn't happen all the time, you're asking for it. And
so I think that they have major issues. I think
there's going to be a coaching change. And quite frankly,
the quarterback hasn't been great either.
Speaker 3 (35:56):
I mean, you know, he.
Speaker 9 (35:57):
Had that fourth quarter against Washington where he did some things,
but aside from that he hasn't been very good the
last two weeks, and so again, Brady, he's back to
what he's been doing, what he did earlier in the year.
This isn't usc You can't spin around for forty two
minutes behind the line of scrimmage and hope to make
a play. And I think he's got to get away
from that again and get back to playing football now.
Speaker 3 (36:18):
In fairness to him, he had.
Speaker 9 (36:19):
Both his tackles out last week, so that was a problem.
Speaker 2 (36:21):
Yeah, no doubt.
Speaker 7 (36:22):
And we've kind of touched on that earlier about him
kind of passing up the easy one to want to
take big shots and make big plays. Is that more
concerning though? Is it that or crying in his mom's bosoms?
Which one bothered you?
Speaker 9 (36:33):
Well, I never let you know how I feel about
crying after a game. You know you never cry after
a game.
Speaker 3 (36:38):
I mean, come on, give me a break.
Speaker 7 (36:39):
So so what was it the crying that bothered you
or the crying in his mom's bosoms? Which one was
the worst?
Speaker 2 (36:44):
Saying? Ay?
Speaker 9 (36:46):
Nd, I mean, I just look, you don't cry over
losing a football game. Like I've always said, if losing
a football game is the worst thing that happened in
your life. You've had a hell of a damn life.
That's all I have to say about that, because there's
no reason you should be crying over losing a football
game ever, ever in my mind, and again, to go
up into the stands and cry after a game and
(37:09):
on national TV for all to see, that that bothered me.
Speaker 7 (37:12):
This is also coming though, from a man who has
admitted on National Live Radio.
Speaker 2 (37:17):
That you did want space.
Speaker 7 (37:18):
We try to end a young man's ability to have
kids in the future playing high school football underneath a pile.
Speaker 9 (37:26):
Uh maybe I did, by the way, In fact, maybe
I did, because I yeah, well, he stepped on my
he stepped on my hand with their old time tweets
when I was on after the play, So eye for
an eye, right, So I went.
Speaker 2 (37:37):
You grabbed this Franklin berries, is what you're saying.
Speaker 3 (37:40):
You're damn right.
Speaker 9 (37:40):
I didn't, And he screamed like with the highest pitch
voice you've ever heard on a football feel I can
tell you that.
Speaker 6 (37:46):
Uh, Pete, what do you think is the New Orleans
Saints direction after this year? Because if you're like kind
of speculating right now on available jobs in the NFL
after the season this one does and feel like it's
real high on the list. So what sort of candidate,
what sort of coach could they hope to obtain if
they decided to move on from Darren Rizzy as the
(38:09):
interim guy, if this season does it get turned around?
Speaker 3 (38:12):
Well, here's the problem. Their cap is a disaster. I mean,
it's going to be a three year fix.
Speaker 9 (38:18):
So whoever does take that job better get assurances they're
getting like a six or seven year contract because.
Speaker 3 (38:23):
It is awful.
Speaker 9 (38:25):
Remember they're the team that kept pushing money out every year,
out out out. Well, the bill is due and the
bill is coming do and the players are getting old,
and it's a major problem. That job is not an
attractive job at all, and so it's a great fan
base when when you win and people forget Back in
the day when they were awful, nobody went to those games,
So it's it's not a good situation. So I think
(38:48):
that's going to either be a young guy who just
wants an opportunitybody better get a long term deal. He's
going to have a four year deal and get out
of there in two or it's going to be one
of these guys that you know, old time guys that
wants another opportunity to come in there and says, look,
I'll take the retirement money, give me five years. If
you fire me in two.
Speaker 3 (39:05):
I'll do that.
Speaker 9 (39:06):
But it's not a good situation. And I thought before
the season age was becoming an issue across the board,
but then they had all those injuries and it really
went off the rail. So it's not a great job.
Speaker 5 (39:16):
Are you looking at how them letting go of Alan?
You know, we heard Jerry Jones say that that he
would be an idiot or a moron or whatever it was.
He isn't that and he wouldn't fire a coach during
the season, but it seems like that's becoming more and
more of a trend in today's NFL. Do you think
(39:37):
that there's the possibilities that Jerry might have to go
back on his word of basically saying you have to
be an idiot to get rid of your coach during
the season. I mean, Dallas is in the same type
of position that I mean, may be worse if you think,
than what the New Orleans Saints are in right now.
Speaker 9 (39:56):
Yeah, and look, the Cowboys are in big trouble now.
Prescott's out. They're not gonna win games. So yeah, I mean,
but this following this, firing coach in the middle of
the season ever solved anything. And the answer to that
question is no. But what it does do it allows
you to get a head start on next year and
who you might be eyeing, and get the process going
(40:18):
a little bit with without having a guy looking over
his shoulder all the time. So I think from that standpoint, maybe,
but I don't think it changes anything for a team.
What are the New Orleans Saints going to do with
Rizzy coaching them? Are they going to do it because
the roster's depleted? Are they going to change anything in
that building? It doesn't make any sense. So no, I don't.
I don't think firing a coach in season unless unless
(40:40):
you want to get the process started and start looking
around and see what's out there and tell the fan base, look,
we're not gonna we're not going to tolerate this, you know,
awful football, and we are going to be better.
Speaker 3 (40:50):
We're going to start looking for somebody to make the improvement.
Speaker 9 (40:52):
So I think in a lot of situations, the general
managers should be the one who's fired, in large part
because he's the one that built the crappy roster, Pete.
Speaker 6 (40:59):
Is because you had the Saints minus seven and a
half this weekend at Carolina?
Speaker 2 (41:03):
Is that what happened?
Speaker 3 (41:04):
No, but I will complain about one.
Speaker 9 (41:06):
I got one that I complained about though, the Eagles.
Speaker 3 (41:10):
Twenty two nothing at the half.
Speaker 9 (41:11):
Are you kidding me?
Speaker 2 (41:13):
You're on the right side of that one, though you were?
Speaker 9 (41:15):
I was on Yes, Yes, that was one.
Speaker 3 (41:17):
I was on the right side of it.
Speaker 9 (41:18):
When you look at when you look at Nick Sirianni
and his stupidity of not kicking field goals up six
to make it nine point game.
Speaker 3 (41:27):
Then he kept going for it for going.
Speaker 9 (41:29):
For two twice he didn't kick field goals and then
they converted a fourth and twelve. Jackson really go get
the touchdown to cover late. That give me a break
that they had no business being in that game. When
you have a team down like that, you put them away.
That's why I'm concerned about the Eagles. And so yeah,
that's one. I was on the right side of it,
and it went rock real quick.
Speaker 7 (41:49):
Can you have a shout out to your boy camp Scottaboo.
I mean that that dude can tote the rock man?
Speaker 3 (41:54):
Can you tote the Rock in the National Football League.
Speaker 2 (41:57):
I think that can but I feel like you might be.
Speaker 3 (42:01):
But you know he's hurt. He's hurt this week.
Speaker 9 (42:03):
You know that, right, he might not play this and
the way he plays is so violent.
Speaker 3 (42:08):
He takes so many hits.
Speaker 9 (42:10):
I worry about that kid.
Speaker 3 (42:11):
But boy, he's a tough, tough running back. I love
watching them play. And by the way, I will give a.
Speaker 9 (42:17):
Shout out to head coach Kenny Dillingham, and you know
I don't do that all the time when it comes
to my album Mater.
Speaker 3 (42:23):
What he's done with that team is impressive. It really is.
Speaker 9 (42:26):
Because they don't have the manpowered, they don't have the
money that everybody else has, and they don't.
Speaker 3 (42:30):
Have the ability to build a roster. But he has
that team competitive.
Speaker 9 (42:34):
And if they went out, I think they play in
the Big twelfth title game, am I am?
Speaker 3 (42:39):
I right?
Speaker 7 (42:40):
They need some help, but I believe if they went
out they would have a shot. Yes, I believe there's
like one other scenario that needs to take place. But
either way, up top Jonas hell, yeah, Cam Scataboo ho
a running back position. Just just want to point that
out there for you to Pete LeVar.
Speaker 6 (42:55):
By the way, it looks like he does curls every
hour of every single day. A cam scat, a boo, oh,
my goodness, my gosh.
Speaker 2 (43:03):
Two pros and a cup of joe.
Speaker 6 (43:05):
Here on Fox Sports Radio, we got a positive Pete
Prisco today.
Speaker 2 (43:08):
Pete, are you doing?
Speaker 3 (43:10):
I did rip.
Speaker 9 (43:11):
I did rip the sticker, so I got that, Pete.
Speaker 2 (43:16):
I have a good one.
Speaker 3 (43:17):
Uh all right, guys, take care.
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