November 7, 2024 • 55 mins
Today on 2 Pros and a Cup of Joe, Andrew Berry is noncommittal on Deshaun Watson’s future in Cleveland. The guys debate who’s seat is hottest in the NFL and Albert Breer stops by for his weekly visit.
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Something tells me it's softening. Whatever he drank, he said,
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Speaker 2 (01:28):
So Lee's reputation proceeds him apparently, so.
Speaker 4 (01:32):
Lee, we gotta work on your copying pasting skills.
Speaker 3 (01:37):
Oh no, oh, no, Lee, how do you mess up
copy and paste? He just doesn't pay attention to details.
Speaker 2 (01:50):
He was what happened?
Speaker 6 (01:53):
Was there a We're partially to blame, but I'm just
trying to test run down.
Speaker 2 (01:57):
That's your man, that's your man.
Speaker 4 (02:01):
I've tried to make it a more efficient process. It's
like our show lives in the nineteen nineties, the way
Jonas wants it. So instead of just, you know, try
to make things easier, it's just everyone behind the scenes.
Speaker 6 (02:12):
It's just like no one can adapt to it.
Speaker 2 (02:14):
What's the issue? What happened?
Speaker 4 (02:17):
You still send him an email? He just copy and
pasted it. I put it directly onto it.
Speaker 2 (02:25):
I put that.
Speaker 6 (02:27):
Yeah, then you did a poor job copy.
Speaker 2 (02:29):
And pat What do you meansion? And then I copy
and paste and onto that.
Speaker 6 (02:37):
Then you were to blame for this?
Speaker 2 (02:38):
What you're not a copy and paste fixing it as
we speak? All right, what's the issue?
Speaker 6 (02:44):
You've you basically copy and paste the things twice.
Speaker 2 (02:49):
Let me see which ones? Well, I'm changing it now,
can you well, can you explain which one it is
that was copy and pasted twice? Let's just have the
discussion on the area.
Speaker 4 (02:59):
Okay, it's the one about Andrew Berry being noncommittal about
Watson in Cleveland.
Speaker 2 (03:03):
Yeah, yeah, So what's the what happened?
Speaker 6 (03:07):
Well, apparently he it sounds like.
Speaker 4 (03:12):
Sounds like he's for Watson, but then it also sounds
like maybe he's trying to not discuss the future, but
then at the same time, it kind of sounds like
he might be the one to blame.
Speaker 6 (03:24):
I don't does that make sense?
Speaker 2 (03:26):
No at all. I mean, I know what you're explaining,
but what is that.
Speaker 6 (03:31):
I'm talking about Andrew Berry?
Speaker 2 (03:32):
Yeah? Okay, but you went from Andrew Berry well.
Speaker 4 (03:38):
Because he wants to talk about on air, which I
think is probably the worst possible thing.
Speaker 2 (03:41):
To do at this moment. Okay, yeah, I mean I
know now you tied it together. Yea, yeah, not really.
Speaker 6 (03:48):
I was trying to transition, but.
Speaker 2 (03:54):
I don't get I'm so lost.
Speaker 3 (03:57):
The point of the story is freaking learn how to
be page Jonas.
Speaker 2 (04:01):
Now I'm looking at this run. You're so better than
what you're doing right now. You and your man I
looked exactly as is. So how I put it on
last night is exactly how it was on. I don't
know what the issue was. If somebody else went on
there afterwards and rearranged it, then that's not my Problemang.
I mean, and it definitely ain't that big of a
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dealang that right now. But nonetheless, is.
Speaker 3 (04:27):
It a big deal that Andrew Berry could be supporting
Deshaun Watson versus maybe not supporting Deshaun Watson versus maybe
he's coming back, versus maybe he's not coming back, maybe
something else. What does Andrew Berry really mean?
Speaker 2 (04:43):
Well, I mean, listen, it's gone so smoothly with Deshaun Watson.
Speaker 3 (04:46):
I mean, it's been the best case scenario playouts since
they've gotten home.
Speaker 2 (04:50):
I agree. Like you talk about bang for your body,
I mean ROI no pun intended, you know what I mean? Yeah,
But nonetheless, Andrew Berry, the GM of the Cleveland means
I did talk about the Shan Watson situation yesterday. Obviously
he is on the mend out for the year with
the Achilles. Let's take a listen to the Cleveland GM.
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I'm really not in reflection mode.
Speaker 7 (05:13):
I think that's probably I remember I got asked this about,
you know, Dobbs last year's It's really more not really
my focus at this point in the year. Our focus
is really on finishing out the twenty twenty four season,
having the team play at a higher level, and then
kind of we'll get to like those maybe longer term
or big picture reflections at a later point in time. Really,
our focus with Deshaun, I would say, for any player
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with a season eniting injury and a major injury is
first and foremost with the recovery and to make sure
that he gets healthy from the Achilles injury. You everything
else will deal with at a later moment the world.
Speaker 3 (05:48):
In which Deshaun Watson can come back here and play.
Speaker 2 (05:50):
More football for you guys to get Yeah, I think
that's always possible.
Speaker 3 (05:54):
I mean, listen, I mean those are all expected responses
if you ask me, very very minimum, very you know, noncommittal,
but but very uh standard. That's a standard response, right.
Speaker 4 (06:09):
What we didn't have is sound on a few different
ways in which you know, he answered things. So for example,
he talked about, you know, obviously this being less than
ideal in particular to evaluating you know, his his these
long absences, but he did mention the Hey, all of
us were on board when we made the decision, and
you know, everyone was on board almost like kind of saying, yeah,
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this looks like it's gonna be on my lap at
some point because they contract because of how he built
this roster. But you know everyone was on board with
that decision. And I think you make a comment like
that because if you're looking around the room, Jimmy Haslem
ain't going anywhere. Kevin Stefanski just won Coach of the Year,
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so I think people are giving him the benefit of doubt,
giving me He's won it twice, so he's got the reputation.
Speaker 6 (06:56):
For being this coach.
Speaker 4 (06:58):
And I'm sure there's there been times when you hear
him talk and it feels like he doesn't want to
have to deal with this.
Speaker 6 (07:04):
I mean, we talked about that earlier the far.
Speaker 4 (07:06):
This season, and so if you're looking at the direction
of where the season's going, and if you get to
the end of the year and fans are like, well,
doesn't someone have to take the fall for this? Like
doesn't someone have to take the blame for how we
get here? It might be pointing squarely at Andrew Barry.
And if that's the case, there's probably a thought of
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like he better started laying the groundwork to protect himself
or insulate himself from from being the guy that like
multimately made this decisions.
Speaker 6 (07:37):
That's what I think this is about. That's why I
think this might where this might be heading.
Speaker 3 (07:40):
I would say it's interesting that perspective because I totally
agree and sports there always has to be a fall guy.
You just asked, Chris, Chris Carter, you know you gotta
make sure you have that fall guy in place. Y'all
got a crew, You got a crew. You gotta have
a fall guy. And that's how this thing all works.
Something goes wrong. It doesn't need to go wrong for you,
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it needs to go wrong for that designated fall guy.
Speaker 2 (08:04):
You imagine say that with a straight face to rookies.
Speaker 3 (08:08):
I just think that where Cleveland is right now, someone
has to take the blame for this decision that took
place with Deshaun Watson. And I think at this point
it's clear you can define the Deshaun Watson situation as
a debacle. So it's the Deshaun Watson debacle. Now it
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becomes the Deshaun Watson controversy because the controversy existed who
made the decision? You know, I made the point not
too long ago where I felt like Stefanski was falling
on the sword for whoever made this decision by the
things that he said as it applied to what they
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were doing and how they were handling things with Watson.
Now Watson gets injured, it's out of Stefanski's hands because
fate handled the situation for Kevin's face. As now it
falls in the hands of probably most likely the people
who made the decision.
Speaker 2 (09:05):
To bring him there.
Speaker 3 (09:07):
And you're never going to sit there and say that
it's purely Andrew Berry, that that's to blame for it
in the public, because you can't bring in a guy
at that amount of money without the ownership being in
total total lockstep with doing that because it's too much money.
But since you're not going to to to make a
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move on on ownership, ownership is never going to be
incorrect in these scenarios. The designated fall guy in this
situation has.
Speaker 2 (09:39):
To be the GM. I have a two part question
for you guys, all right, first part is do the
Cleveland Browns have a good roster?
Speaker 6 (09:46):
Yes?
Speaker 2 (09:47):
Okay, so solids Andrew Berry is the GM there. He
would probably be one of the reasons why they've built
up a decent roster. Here's the second question, who do
you believe ultimately made the decision to bring into Shaun
Watson ownership? Yeah, so how the hell? Yeah, but Andrew
Barry be held responsible for something ownership did when he's
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built a.
Speaker 3 (10:09):
Good roster, because somebody has to be the sacrificial lamb
to maintaining hope for your fan.
Speaker 2 (10:16):
Base, Jimmy has them can't come out and be like, hey,
that's on me, like sorry, like they could.
Speaker 6 (10:22):
He's lost credibility and they could.
Speaker 4 (10:25):
Obviously, I'm a little closer to the Cleveland situation than
most because when you watch how he took over as
an owner, and there's been turnover after turnover after turnover
at some point, and he kept talking about when to
fix and wanted to get it right, it's hard to
build up any confidence with anyone within that organization with
him and their decision making. So because of that, I
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think that's the hard part is I don't know that
he wants to admit that he was wrong. I mean,
it's pretty blatant too. I think when you look at it,
we all realize, like, well, if anyone was to blame,
it's probably him for ultimately agreeing to it. But again,
maybe maybe it should have been Andrew Berry who said, Jimmy,
don't do this, like, you don't need to give him
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this contract, because ultimately he had to sign off on that.
So by the way the roster building, an owner can
sit there and say, well, yeah, I was able to
pay a bunch of cash too to make that roster possible.
You know, there's the drafting of it as well. I mean,
it's it's more of a cohesive group. So if you're
looking at this, like who else was going to take
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the blame? If it's not Andrew Berry.
Speaker 3 (11:33):
I think Kevin Stefanski could have been the fall guy
just based off of the performance of the team and
with Sean Watson in there, if they're not performing at
a high level, there's the possibility that you could say,
all right, like this falls to an easy little hanging.
Speaker 4 (11:54):
Which I also wonder if he'd be okay with that,
because he's like, I don't want to be in the
situation anymore either.
Speaker 2 (12:00):
A cute That's why I said before.
Speaker 3 (12:03):
I feel like he's like, hey, I'll take the blame
because in the end, look, think about it, right, think
about everything we're saying right now. If you think back
to Stefanski, saying, I'm making the final decision here. It's
my decision to make. He's basically saying, do not look
at anyone else as being culpable for what's taking place
with Deshaun Watson. I got it, So if it does
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indeed fall on his feet, that he's got it. Andrew
Barry has an easy out, and so does the ownership.
But with that being said, nobody's going to look at
Kevin Stefanski if he gets fired and say, Kevin Stefanski
did a horrible job as a coach for the Cleveland Browns.
You're looking at it like he got screwed. He took
one for the team. So it actually was a strategically
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sound decision, And especially if it's based off of your
reasoning of what you're saying right now, it's like, hey,
maybe I want to get out of this situation. Maybe
I don't want to work in this dysfunction, you know,
And now I'm able to get out of it. Keep
my reputation intact. I took one for the team. It's
clear that I took this bullet for the team, and
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now that gives me an opportunity to start anew and
maybe clean the slate and go somewhere where it's actually
a better situation.
Speaker 2 (13:15):
And proven that he can do it with other quarterbacks
not named Deshaun Watson like he did it with flak Oh,
he did it with Baker Mayfield. He took the team
to the playoffs twice. That's different. Contract said you were
clearly there. I can't.
Speaker 3 (13:28):
I would not be able to name very many, if
any at all, coaches, head coaches that would have the
pimp had excuse me, not pimp paint, but the Stronghand.
It's not appropriate anymore. Yeah, the Stronghand to be able
to wield a offer such as the one that Deshaun
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Watson got that's out of his pay grade because it's
so far out of the parameters of what a budget
would be within the confines of this cap. You're not
going as a head coach, coach, you're not going to
be able to clear and give a contract like at
like that out to any player.
Speaker 2 (14:06):
You're not. So I think Stefanski's playing it the right way.
Speaker 3 (14:10):
Don't say not one word bad about anybody in this organization.
Just keep coaching the best that you can, knowing that
everybody's looking at it and talking about what the dysfunction
has looked like or the disconnect and the lack of
of you know, success from Deshaun Watson and all of
the things that have gone along with Deshaun Watson. It's
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an easy out. So it's kind of like a tug
of ward at this point. Barry has to present himself
in a way where he stays surface level, which that's
what he did. Stefanski has to be the coach and
try to maintain his respect with his players and maintain
you know what it is that he does.
Speaker 2 (14:50):
The integrity of his job. That's what he did.
Speaker 3 (14:53):
The only person you ain't heard from in all of
this is the ownership, which in every reality that's probably
the proper way for them to handle it as well.
So to me, you got three entities that are handling
the situation and what is perceivably self preservation mode for
all parties involved. Yeah, three way game of chess going on,
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which I've never seen that before, but I think that
would be pretty cool to watch that take place on
a board.
Speaker 2 (15:21):
Actually, that would be sweet.
Speaker 6 (15:23):
Least sitting that an adult film before.
Speaker 3 (15:27):
Where the rook go called called the called the Torpedo
at three am, just steal my Bishop that's what the
name of this, This show is called Today three am.
Speaker 2 (15:38):
With my torpedo in my mouth. Rook.
Speaker 3 (15:42):
He can't talk right now because his mouth is full.
Him in there eating. You're piping that sandwich down already,
him a scarf in it.
Speaker 4 (15:52):
You can we verify whether or not you're eating this
right now, because you need to cushion whatever you consumed yesterday.
Speaker 6 (16:03):
As far as adult beverages.
Speaker 8 (16:05):
I had a couple of Margarita's yesterday, but that was
really early in the day, So I'm doing good.
Speaker 6 (16:12):
What's really early in the day three o'clock. That's not
early early, dude.
Speaker 3 (16:18):
If you're happy like before noon, that's a lie. I
sleep until noon. I can see that. I can see
you sleeping until noon. Dang, I get so much work
done by noon.
Speaker 2 (16:32):
Got lee. I pushed my le around. You pushed it?
Speaker 8 (16:35):
Yeah, I pushed it like literally literally yeah, because that
girl Mom's no, the old one the Malibu because we're uh,
they're assphaulting the street, and so I had to push
it into a driveway.
Speaker 6 (16:47):
Now did you do it by yourself? To help you?
Speaker 8 (16:50):
I got the neighbors, John and John.
Speaker 4 (16:52):
John and John, John and John say, now do they
smell it the same way, or there's one, there's one
smell without an h.
Speaker 2 (16:58):
Well, I always call the other shown by his last
name los On. I'm sure you wanted that on that
huh okay. Interesting.
Speaker 3 (17:08):
It's like the Life and Times the Leader, I swear
to God, I mean his life is really it really
is a TV show. I can't believe somebody hasn't approached
us about doing the reality TV show. It really could
re establish like reality TV is really taking like a
backseat to other styles of and other forms of content.
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But life would lead the life would lead the lot.
Come on, man, me and Lee something to that effect.
That's it's that's that's money. I can't believe nobody's done this.
Oh man, money.
Speaker 4 (17:43):
I think he's good for those like thirty second highlights
and after that you'd be like, this is kind of boring.
Speaker 2 (17:47):
Yeah, clip, it's a TikTok show.
Speaker 6 (17:50):
Yeah it's not.
Speaker 2 (17:50):
It's not like air. I don't think we get twenty
minutes out of it. Oh TikTok viral TikTok cliffs.
Speaker 4 (17:58):
I mean we try the leftovers. We try to digging
your life a little bit more than He's not willing
to be fully transparent. That's the problem.
Speaker 3 (18:05):
If he was fully transparent, Leftovers would literally be the
best segment on this show.
Speaker 6 (18:10):
The problem is like, how do you film those moments
where it just blocks out for two hours?
Speaker 3 (18:14):
There was not much That's why he needs assistance, like
like within his ecosystem of friends. And when we did
it with Todd, it was a win, and we brought
Todd on, it was a win.
Speaker 2 (18:26):
We can. I tell you what I noticed yesterday you
sent over the listing for the place that you're selling
your face, and I remember you told me a story
how you couldn't get to work because you had lost
your keys and you found him behind the sink, and
I was like, that doesn't make any sense. And then
I was looking through the photos. I was like, oh,
that's where they probably were. Ve.
Speaker 6 (18:50):
Can we send the listening to our group chat just
so we can check this out?
Speaker 2 (18:54):
Right now? I have no use this morning.
Speaker 6 (18:58):
What's that you have an open house today?
Speaker 2 (19:00):
You're not selling place? Looks great, it looks awesome.
Speaker 4 (19:04):
Go back place if you do get the right offer.
Are you ready to close right now?
Speaker 5 (19:10):
No?
Speaker 6 (19:10):
Yeah?
Speaker 4 (19:11):
Is everyone involved in this property ready to close right now?
Speaker 2 (19:14):
Yep? Liar, they're lying. He's lying based on the last
couple of days. Probably, h the last couple of days, huh,
a couple of.
Speaker 3 (19:25):
Years made that sounds a little But everybody needs a
fall guy, you know what I mean. And in that situation,
Lee is easily going to be the fall guy.
Speaker 2 (19:36):
Easily? Lee? Did you copy and paste twice in the
Google doc? I'm still trying to figure that out. I
haven't opened the Google doc.
Speaker 8 (19:41):
I did quickly a little copy and paste, but I'll
check it right well, I already deleted it.
Speaker 6 (19:47):
I already changed it. It's all right.
Speaker 8 (19:49):
But uh, what we have in front of us looks good,
nice and pretty.
Speaker 2 (19:53):
You are funny, dude.
Speaker 6 (19:56):
I'm done, bro, that's all right.
Speaker 2 (20:01):
I tried my best coming up next here from.
Speaker 4 (20:05):
You're just gonna live in the nineteen nineties and live passively,
aggressively for the rest of us life.
Speaker 2 (20:09):
What do you mean? What did I do dig up
your dead dog? What do I do go get your
dead dog? What does my dead dog have to do
with anything?
Speaker 5 (20:16):
What about?
Speaker 6 (20:16):
Nothing? Exactly? That's the point.
Speaker 2 (20:18):
I loaded up the Google doc. I don't know if
it got copy and pasted twice.
Speaker 4 (20:22):
I love you say you loaded it up there's no loading.
The Google doc just lives that exists. Yeah, you make
adjustments or edits to it.
Speaker 2 (20:28):
Yeah, yeah, you make adjustments and edits. I loaded up.
Speaker 3 (20:31):
I'm always making adjustments to that bad boy, always like
every minute by minute. Yeah, yeah, it was pretty last
Oh I'm a dog on at that document.
Speaker 2 (20:45):
A Lee, wouldn't you say that I did a great
job loading that thing up?
Speaker 6 (20:48):
Looks good to me.
Speaker 2 (20:49):
Chambers fall on that Google doc after I'm done.
Speaker 4 (20:52):
That's because you're looking at a foot long sandwich, right, Yes,
he is right between the ass right in the pie
hole damp.
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Speaker 2 (21:13):
So Pete Prisco's buddies over at cbssports dot com and
Pete's always an upbeat, positive guys you've heard every single
Tuesday on this show throughout the course of the season.
They've decided to compile a list of the top ten
hot seats in the NFL when it comes to coaches
and so away we go. Some of these are maybe
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not so surprising when you consider the rumors that went
into the season and where they're at or where they're
at now. Number one on the list, all right, Mike
McCarthy of the Dallas Cowboys. Right, that feels like the
most obvious choice here. Mike McCarthy of the Cowboys and
the way this season is headed. He is number one
on the list, LeVar, sorry for the following. Number two
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on this list is Antonio Pierre, followed by Doug Peterson
at three. Any objections to any of those.
Speaker 4 (22:05):
Well, the first one, I'd say, if he's going in
to the last year of his contract and they just
don't renew him, he technically didn't get fired.
Speaker 2 (22:13):
It's true, so so not necessarily a hot seat.
Speaker 3 (22:16):
He's still still a hot seat though, because that couldn't
that could It's more like a cool seat, like he
needs it to get hot so they can sign them
to an extension.
Speaker 4 (22:26):
But I think they're just cooling off and so the
seat just slowly fades away into a blift.
Speaker 6 (22:31):
Hint to like the next coach.
Speaker 3 (22:33):
You totally changed the entire description of what a hot
seat is. And I get it, Like hell, I get it.
He is I mean, if he's not renewed, then he
doesn't have a seat. That's it on all right, Antonio
appears too. Yeah, I'm sure that's what you you. I mean, listen,
I don't believe in in in unfair and and fair
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in some cases and in the pro ranks, there is
no such thing as fair and unfair as only results
and and so some people have more opportunities to gain
and garner the ability to get results.
Speaker 2 (23:10):
Some don't.
Speaker 3 (23:11):
And that's the reality that exists at at that you
know stage, that that that level of of of this
this sport. So to me, uh, of course he's on
the hot seat because the team doesn't look like they're
competitive enough to be competitive.
Speaker 2 (23:28):
Can I give you guys a conspiracy theory? Oh? All right?
Speaker 3 (23:30):
Do we have a Robert Stack Uh that's connected to
the Las Vegas Raiders. Yes, okay, So here's my conspiracy theory.
Speaker 2 (23:38):
I don't believe that Antonio Piers should be out after
this year. I think he deserves a chance. Wow, it's
here the buck.
Speaker 3 (23:48):
I think compliments are always the worst setup for what
I think.
Speaker 2 (23:53):
There's a good chance that Antonio Peers is coaching his
final season for the Raiders and here's why Tom Brady
is taking over and is going to have input and
say into personnel decisions. And if you go back to Tom
Brady's career, what is the most devastating loss of his career,
Perfect Season ruined by the Giants and the Super Bowl?
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And who was a member of that Giants. He was
the captain of that team, Antonio Pears. He was the captain.
Tom Brady's going to get his revenge all these years
later and he's going to make the decision to move
on from Antonio Peers in Vegas, and it's got I
want Perfect Season, all right.
Speaker 4 (24:28):
I know, I know I threw this out there in
the past, and this actually is going to be really
really fascinating to see what happens after the season.
Speaker 6 (24:37):
And you guys might call me crazy.
Speaker 4 (24:41):
There could be two spots open that could proby coach
Prime away from Colorado.
Speaker 6 (24:49):
What would be Dallas.
Speaker 4 (24:51):
I don't know if they'd be willing to do that,
make the splash all of that, but could you imagine
the excitement if you're talking about the business side of
things bringing bringing Prime back to Dallas. If McCarthy isn't renewed,
could you imagine the hype around that that's one, but
the other's Las Vegas. Oh yeah, And it's no secret
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Shador has been tweeting out after every single Raiders loss
in the hopes that he.
Speaker 6 (25:21):
I think gets drafted there.
Speaker 4 (25:23):
So I'm kind of connecting the dots, but it seems
like there's an interest in him going there. I do
think it'd be a good spot for him. I do
think he'll be taken probably number one overall. Is the
top quarterback. You know this week as we prepared for
our games, have come through a lot of his tape
and he's an nflready passed or he's running an NFL system.
Of all the guys who are draft eligible, he's the
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guy this year. So if that's the case, and if
there was the potential of bringing coach prime what he's done,
and look, people could say whatever they want about Colorado.
They quite troupled their win total in his first year.
They're now BO eligible and they're still fighting for a
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shot to play for the Big Twelve championship. If they
win that, they'll go to the College Football Playoff in
a year two. So there's something to be said for how,
at least based on his resume, what coach Prime has
done from the coaching standpoint, and I think if you
want something that sells, if you're Mark Davis, you're the Raiders,
it might be something that you contemplate. And I'm sure
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that Prime would love to continue to grow with the
Sun to coach him at the next level as well,
given how it's been successful so far through college.
Speaker 3 (26:41):
You know, I've spoken to Prime, and Prime say he
has zero interest in going to the pro level.
Speaker 6 (26:50):
Now that until you get offered it.
Speaker 3 (26:51):
I mean, that's that's the point, you know. I don't
know if that's how the day. It must be the
money somebody the remix of it too. Anyway, you know,
it would be interesting if Prime went to the league.
I don't think that there's anything at this point that
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anyone should bet against him on being able to have
success at doing it. If you're looking at his his staff,
he would probably take his entire coaching.
Speaker 2 (27:23):
Staff with him, as he has done throughout the years.
Speaker 3 (27:26):
He's changed a couple, you know, guys here and there,
you know, but for the most part, the kind of
the core group of guys that he coaches what he's
had since he was coaching Shador, you know, in Pee
wee lea you football, which I think is pretty fascinating
that this is a group that he's totally acclimated, too
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aware of. And you know, a lot of people will
tell you one of the biggest things that you're going
to fight when you become a head coach, especially in
high stakes, is you know, is there any type of
you know, in in house division, is there is there
anybody plotting against you, anybody working against you? You know,
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where you're trying to go in one direction, there taking
it in another direction, and you know, ultimately for their
own game. He doesn't have to deal with those things.
So if he were to decide to go to the
next level, it would be interesting because I think he's
taking the same approach. There are very few people that
can take an approach to being a coach and be
the type of figure of leadership and of respect and
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admiration to the pro level that Deon Sanders would take.
There will actually be grown ass men. There would not
be one man that isn't that is too grown to
actually look at Deon Sanders and be like, man, that's Prime.
Like let's like, I can't believe I'm playing for Prime.
I bet you every pretty much every person on that
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roster and on that team would recognize it that way.
Speaker 2 (28:57):
So I think it would be a unique deal.
Speaker 3 (28:59):
I just back to the original point of it, though,
to be at the expense of a quality guy like
Antonio Pierce, and not just because that's one of my
closest friends, but just to understand the circumstances of which
he's he's you know, he's faced with. Like I said,
I don't get into fear unfair in the league, but
I just, you know, I don't think that it would
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be right to move on from him based off of,
you know, the given circumstances he has for this season.
Speaker 4 (29:26):
Yeah, I did have a buddy tell me. He's like,
hey man, this was like advice in the league. He's like,
you can't look for fairness in the NFL or in life.
He's like, faires what you pay to get on the bus,
here's along for.
Speaker 6 (29:37):
The ride, you know. And I was like, I've always
thought of that. I always thought that was great advice.
But the interesting thing about.
Speaker 4 (29:42):
Antonio Pears is he got the job because the job
he did last year with that team and this year,
I think we all kind of we all we looked
at the roster and said there's not high expectations because
of the quarterback position, and that's been their big to
achilles heel.
Speaker 6 (30:02):
So I don't know how.
Speaker 4 (30:03):
You can fire the guy if you're the front office
and you did nothing to provide him with at the
most important position, someone you felt like could help you
win football games, and you play in a division with
the best quarterback in football. You gotta see him twice
a year. And on top of that, you can play
in the division with another team that's got a stud
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in the LA Chargers, and another team that drafted a
rookie quarterback who's done well this year in bon Nicks.
Instead of you like it, I look at it and say,
how can you put the blame on the coach when
you know this roster is nowhere near where it needs
to be.
Speaker 6 (30:41):
And so it's a small sample size.
Speaker 4 (30:45):
But if you go back to last year, like this
team finished second in the AFC West, they were five
and four when Antonio Pierce took over, they had momentum.
Speaker 6 (30:53):
There's a reason why they hired him in the first place.
I think the.
Speaker 4 (30:56):
Biggest mistake owners make is when they rip out the
rug from underneath coaches because they get some adversity, and
sometimes it comes to injuries, a bunch of guys go
on ir other times it's because the roster's not quite
where it needs to be. Maybe there's a disconnect, maybe
they need to make some changes on their coaching staff,
which he's done. I just think it'd be way too soon,
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and I will go ahead and make that that statement
for a lot of the head coach to our first
year head coach. It's like if you're David Tepper and
you move on from Dave Knaws, oh god, like what
are you doing? Like like what's the point to sell
the franchise at that point? And there's other like like
draw mail, like he's on this list, why they just
they just hired.
Speaker 6 (31:34):
Him this year?
Speaker 2 (31:35):
Those two I didn't understand.
Speaker 6 (31:37):
I don't ever get it.
Speaker 4 (31:38):
I think if you're an owner, you should You could
only look in the mirror and say, yeah, this is
this is on you, Like you hired these guys that
if halfway through the season you're already disgruntled with them,
that's on you. You were part of that hiring process.
So I mean, look, I mean if I was to
look at this list based on the candidates that are there,
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I would say Doug Peterson belongs on it right obviously,
Brian Dable in New York, which I think they're gonna
be patient with it. So I'm not even sure that's
the situation. For the reason I just laid out with
Antonio Pierce, even though Brian Dable's been there longer, I
think they know they weren't able to address the quarterback position,
and that's something they're going to have to address in
the offseason.
Speaker 6 (32:20):
And then I think you.
Speaker 4 (32:20):
Look at a guy like Nick Sirianni, and that's only
because it's not because there's a track record, it's only
because the level of expectations in Philly, where if they
don't win to a certain amount, it's like, well, dude,
we feel like we can find someone else to come
in here and do that. So I would say those
three next to McCarthy make the most sense as far
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as the hot seater, I guess at McCarthy's case, I mean,
if it's not getting fired, he's just not getting renewed.
Speaker 6 (32:47):
It kind of feels a little bit more like a
cold saint than a.
Speaker 3 (32:49):
Hot Let's reorder them. Who's number one? Who's your number one?
Speaker 6 (32:53):
I think it's McCarthy again, not hot but cold, but whatever.
Speaker 3 (32:57):
I mean a no seat. His hot seat doesn't because
he's a no seat. Okay, I would agree with Mike
McCarthy get number one. I got Dug Peterson one.
Speaker 6 (33:07):
I would say he's two.
Speaker 3 (33:09):
See I got Nick Sirianni too. I have Nick Sirianni too,
because I think out of all these teams he had,
he does have the highest of expectations. So if he
comes up short, I think that the kind of the
off field or the emotional outbursts or type of things
that he does extra curricular from just coaching, I think
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become more of a focal point of keeping him around
because it's an irritant to a lot of people. You
can tolerate certain things when you're winning, but when you
come up short, I think that those things become more
of a deterrent to want to deal with somebody. So
I would put Cirianni at too. So if I'm going
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to three, I would say Doug Peterson is right where
he's supposed to be on this one. I think he's
at three on this on this list.
Speaker 2 (33:57):
I think it's in Chicago. Dang, because Philly's got a
playoff roster like they've like, that's a team that's going
to the playoffs and if they win a game, they
win two games in the postseason. I just don't know
that Howie Roseman still pulls the trigger and moves on.
Speaker 3 (34:14):
You know what's interesting about that? You know who I
think my number four is Mike McDaniel.
Speaker 2 (34:21):
You think, okay, that one. I don't think it deserves
to be on the list at all. I think he's
the number four. His quarterback got his head caved in.
Speaker 3 (34:27):
But as a as a coach, you have to be
prepared for the unexpected, and they totally like, okay, you're
gonna have a little bit of a fall off drop
off if you don't have your starter. But to the
level that they've dropped off to, I don't know. You
go from division division competitor, possibly AFC competitor, one of
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the teams that could possibly stand up to the Chiefs,
to now you're fighting to just be relevant. I just
think with the talent and the expectation, much like what
Sirianni has had to deal with, but to maybe a
lesser capacity, a lesser degree, Mike McDaniel is on that list.
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If you can turn this around when your quarterback, because
let's be clear, I mean, do you when do you
not have to a you know what I mean, like,
when's the next time you don't have hold on?
Speaker 6 (35:21):
You've got him higher than Kevin Stefanski.
Speaker 3 (35:24):
I do, I do I have him hired than Kevin
Stefanski just for the simple fact that I think I'm
of the thought process that behind closed doors, the people
that make the decisions have to have to accept the
fact that they fed it up bad. And I think
that that's the only thing that works in Stefanski's favor
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is that he was again willing to fall on the
sword for the people who are really to blame and
that are culpable for what took place at the quarterback's position,
and it wasn't.
Speaker 4 (35:55):
I guess if you've got a golden parachute, it works
out well, right if you're like, yeah, I follow the
sword for you guys, go ahead, and you know, pay
me whatever the rest I'm supposed to make.
Speaker 6 (36:05):
And as long.
Speaker 4 (36:06):
As there's you know, any offsets, I can go coach
somewhere elsewhere else else.
Speaker 3 (36:10):
It's a it's a win win for Stefanski. Yeah, and
in reality, he if he if he loses his job.
Speaker 4 (36:17):
But to me, that to me makes it more likely
to be able to be higher on the hot seat chart,
because if you look at Big Daniels, like they got
on the playoffs the last two years, he's got a
winning record as the head coach there, I think we'd
all agree the roster's not deep enough or close enough
to being able to surpass Buffalo. And that's you know,
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ultimately who's won it the past two years and then
this year. I mean, it's an entirely different team in
offense without Tua. Yeah, I think I think he gets
the benefit of the doubt. I wouldn't even put him
on the list, but I think he gets the benefit
of the doubt with what he's done and what's occurred
this season. I think the real question becomes, you know,
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the the answer to that backup quarterback question is like,
was that addressed well enough with the front office?
Speaker 6 (37:05):
You know, did Chris Career look at to.
Speaker 4 (37:07):
His injury history and say to Steven Ross, their owner,
we need to pay for a good backup, like we
need to pay for somebody who can be here in
case Ta gets injured. He's had any long injury history
or if he has something happened where he's not gonna
be able to play again, and that's got to be a.
Speaker 6 (37:26):
I just feel like conversation.
Speaker 3 (37:28):
I feel like, if that's the foundational reasons for him
to not be on the list, then how is Antonio
Pierce number two on the list because his situation is
way more jacked up than the Dolphins? So how is
he being judged based off of decisions that are out
of his hands?
Speaker 4 (37:48):
I always think that's the case, and I guess I
never got to this in asking you guys, like the
interim head coach then takes over as head coach, it
always feels like it's the organization stuck with that decision
instead of like having a true hiring process and going
through that to find that next head coach, And I
feel like it never works out.
Speaker 2 (38:08):
Uh they I think also part of the reason why
ap got the shot. The players wanted him. Obviously one
of them, DeVante Adams isn't there anymore. But they made
a mistake when they moved on from Rich Pasaccia because
Bissaci actually took them to the playoffs, like after he
took over for Gruden and they moved on from him.
Those players loved him, and he did a great job
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for that team, like kind of rebounding after that mess
with Gruden and all the stuff that came out, and
then they went to Josh McDaniels, who was this quarterback
though down, Okay, you know what I mean. Like, like,
the bottom.
Speaker 3 (38:42):
Line here is is that if you're looking at where
this team is, you did not give him a fear
of opportunity. No matter who the coach is interiom, new coach,
that person was not put in a position where they
could have success.
Speaker 2 (38:58):
I agree. I think I think people are way too
quick to move on from coaches quarterbacks, like you know,
I think they deserve more an opportunity. But I just
if you're going to be.
Speaker 3 (39:09):
That aggressive on judging a coach and defining his his
career with a decision that's aggressive, then the least you
could do would be be aggressive and the players that
you're going to give him to you to be able
to make that aggressive decision on his future as the coach.
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I don't I don't need to put a name on it.
I just think that that should be the idea of it.
You're Jerry Jones and you said this is an all
in season for Mike McCarthy, Well, how is it all
in when you haven't really addressed your offensive line issue?
Speaker 2 (39:47):
How is it all in?
Speaker 3 (39:48):
If you haven't addressed your receiver's position? You got one receiver?
You got one? How is it all in when all
of your money is going to literally two players and
the rest of them are how are you all in?
But yet you'll look at Mike McCarthy and you'll say,
Mike McCarthy, you came up short. We got to roll out,
and we got to get a different coach, and we're
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expecting the next coach to get different results. But you're
doing things the same exact way. How how is he
on the hot seat when.
Speaker 2 (40:18):
That's your approach.
Speaker 3 (40:20):
I just think that if it's a look in the
mirror type of situation, it's a different way of approaching
who's on the hot seat and who's not. But again,
fair is for the bus, and you're just on there
for the ride. And if you're just on there for
the ride, and then you can't sit there and look
at these teams and wonder why they never really have
a large measure of success from season to season, because
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you're seeing exactly why they don't have it There's no
reason to be confused about it.
Speaker 2 (40:48):
It just is what it is.
Speaker 1 (40:50):
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Speaker 2 (41:00):
Right now, we welcome in Albert Breer. He is the
star of Amazon Primes Thursday night football coverage. He is
the senior NFL reporter, lead content strategist at the MMQB,
and he's always a friend of us here on a
Thursday morning, AB, how are we feeling here?
Speaker 5 (41:22):
Good morning, LeVar?
Speaker 2 (41:24):
What was that?
Speaker 5 (41:26):
Good morning?
Speaker 4 (41:27):
Var?
Speaker 2 (41:27):
Oh?
Speaker 3 (41:27):
Oh you never say good morning to me? First, good
morning to you too, Albert Breer. And congratulations on your
big victory.
Speaker 5 (41:38):
Oh, thank you, thank you. I will be the first
to say I did not see that one coming, especially
my concerns about the offensive line.
Speaker 2 (41:46):
But here we are, here, we are Yeah, there you go.
With that being said, Albert, we now transition over from
I mean, it's all roses for the Ohio State buck guys,
completely the opposite for the Dallas Cowboys. The injury to
Dak Prescott. What the hell is this team going to
look like? This? Offseason, What changes can we expect? Where
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do they stand right now as an organization?
Speaker 5 (42:13):
Yeah, I mean there are a lot of big picture questions.
You know, obviously Mike McCarthy's in the contract year. He is,
a coaching situation looks like going forward, you know, the
owners getting older, and you know you've got some big
picture decisions to make again this offseason. Last year it
was Dak Prescott and Ceedee Lamb. This offseason it'll be
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Michael Parsons. And you know, I I think you look
at the rest of this season and I mean this
is not like a small deal with with Dak Prescott's hamstring.
This is potentially a season ender now. You know, I
think he could be back as soon as a month
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from now. But you know, it's where they're at, like,
you know, what's left for you from now? Are they
able to tread water for long enough to stay in
the race where you know you're gonna be bringing Dak
Prescott back to play relevant games if he is able
to come back that soon.
Speaker 2 (43:10):
It's just.
Speaker 5 (43:12):
You know, they're sitting there now at three and five
and and and not with a ton of hope. And
you know, it does feel like I don't know if
it feels this way you guys, but this feel to
me like this, that this game is Sunday against the
Eagles is almost a must win for them. It's tough
to see where then they'd be at three and six.
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How do you dig out of that? They got the
Texans f to that, and then they have the Commanders
that week after that. It's I mean, this thing could
be a three and eight and the season could be
over very very fast.
Speaker 4 (43:47):
Albert, we spoke about coaches on the hot seat, and
and referring to Dallas, we did note that Mike McCarthy
technically they could just not renew him or extend him.
So I don't know the hot seat or not, But
going through the list of head coaches that are in
that position, who's the one that you feel like, you
look at now that we've got Robert sala as number one,
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but who's like the next guy potentially inline in your mind?
Speaker 5 (44:13):
Well, I'm obviously gonna Salence done that too. So we're
we're two.
Speaker 6 (44:16):
And I sorry we kind of wrote them off after
the first two weeks.
Speaker 5 (44:21):
Yeah, yeah, you know, there are a couple like that.
I just kind of like, look at say all right like,
you know, how to the next three four weeks ago,
that would be the most The most obvious one to
me would probably still be Doug Peterson. And you know
where they're at, and do they you know, want to
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get a jump And you know a lot of times
there's gonna be a domino effect to these where you know,
a team that is thinking about making the change after
the season looks at it, is what we're going to
do this later on? Do we want to signal the
potential candidates that were our job is going to be available?
Do we want to be able to start like that
candidates and being able to do that stuff out in
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the open rather than sneaking around, you know, start to do
your background work on a coaching search. You know, when
you have a couple of teams that are already in
that position where they can do that, the other teams
can look at it and say, well, we need to
be competitive in the market too. So look, I think
Jacksonville is a team you look at and say, if
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that goes the wrong way over the next few weeks,
could they consider a change based on some of the
things that happened earlier in the year. I'd say maybe
and the Raiders are just a weird one that I'm
keeping an eye on. You know, they fired their offensive coordinator.
They fired their offensive coordinator on Sunday night, and they
also fired two other offensive coaches. So you're stripping your
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your staff of your your coordinator, your quarterbacks coach, your
line coach. Those are three pretty important positions on a
coaching staff. And so you bring in North Turner, you
promote his son Scott to be the play caller. You've
now had four former head coaches go through there, and
Joe Golben and Martin Lewis are still in the staff,
and Tom Cofflinson around as an advisor. It's just, look,
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I don't know about the direction of this whole thing,
you know, And I think back to you know, like
one ap got the job in the first place, and
you know, it was on the advice of of a
of a leadership group of three players with Josh Jacobs,
Devanta Adams and Max Crosby. Well two of those three
are now gone. So you know, I think when you
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hire somebody like Antonio Pierce with such little experience, sort
of incumbent on you to let them grow and give
them time. But you know, like based on some of
the moving parts there, and you know how this all
came to be in the first place. And now you've
got Tom Brady in there as a minority owner. I'm
I'm not, I'm not, I'm not. I'm not counting any chickens,
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you know when it comes to where the Raiders are
or where they'll be coming out of the season.
Speaker 3 (47:00):
All right, Well, I brought up Nick Sirianni earlier in
terms of because we we we did a you know,
kind of a segment talking about the list of guys
that coaches that were on the hot seat AB and yeah,
Nick Sirianni is on that list of guys that is
on the hot seat and not just I'm curious if
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this team does not play up to maybe what the
expectation that's been kind of established when he first got there.
Speaker 2 (47:33):
I mean, are we how are we viewing you.
Speaker 3 (47:36):
Know, this season with Philly if it's say, say they
end up, you know, not the divisional champs, say they
make it to the playoffs but don't make it to
the super Bowl. How how are how is this being viewed?
And it does it fall at the feet of Sirianni.
Speaker 5 (47:51):
Yeah, Well, they're I mean, I mean right now they're
six and two. So look, I think that for the
short term that that conversation is the tabled. Obviously, it
was a very hot conversation. You know, previously, I'd say
right now, Syriani sort of coached his way out of it.
But like again, like they're hitting a really difficult stretch
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in their schedule. Now, now maybe the Cowboy game isn't
this hard or isn't as tough as as as it
looked like it would be a month ago. But then
you get the Commanders in a short week, you got
to go to Los Angeles to play the Rams, and
then you play at the Ravens the week after Thanksgiving.
So I would say, you know, a month from now,
we'll have a you know, a more complete picture of
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where the Eagles are. That said, I think that you know,
like some of the pieces of transition they've had have
started to come together. You know, two new coordinators that
that that really were kind of like from outside Tyriani's realm.
That was a big transition, like incorporating what they do
into into what what what what the team's been doing.
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And so you know, bringing Vic Tangeo and Kellen Moore aboard.
It seems like that's starting to come together now. And
then there's the leadership transmission to transition in the locker
room too. I mean, losing Jason Kelcey on offense and
then and then Fletcher Cox on defense is a big deal.
And you know, I know, you know, when they when
they had their five they they had kind of these
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like accountability the quote unquote like accountability and reflection meetings,
so they they wanted to kind of like look in
the mirror and say, you know, okay, like like where
has all this gone wrong? And I think that did
them a lot of good too. So I think they're
in a decent spot now, but the next month will
tell tell the real story of where they are. They've
feasted on some shaky competition. You know, I think the
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only good team in that four game winning streat the
only team to look at it that was a good
win with the Bengals. Other than that they beat the Browns,
the Giants, and the Jaguars. So we should know more
about a month from now on.
Speaker 2 (49:51):
Where they really are. Albert Brier joining us here on
Fox Sports Radio, Amazon NFL on Prime Thursday Night Insider
Senior NFL reporter at the m m Q as well too.
I wanted to ask you just on the positive side
of things in the NFC East as well too, the
Washington Commanders. It seems like it wasn't that long ago
that Ben Johnson quote unquote said there were too many
basketball people kind of running the show there. Now they're
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apparently the place to be in the NFL. Who deserves
a credit.
Speaker 5 (50:20):
I mean the owner for you know, kind of being
able to flip it and get good people in charge.
And then you know, I actually think, you know, like
the guys they got to go in and get Adam
Peters and to go in and get Dan Quinn and
to project that those two would work really well together,
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which you know, they had a lot of like common
people like Kyle Shanahan is the big one. You know. Obviously,
Kyle was de Q's you know, as his offensive coordinator
in Atlanta the first couple of years there, and then
and then and then you know, and then Ap and
and and and and and and Kyle were together in
San Francisco, So there's some commonality there with them. But
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I think, you know, being able to project that those
two would work so well together that's the credit to
the people on top two and so yeah, I think
a lot of people deserve a lot of credit. But
I think I think a huge part of it is
just changing the energy in the building and then going
and finding players that fit what they want to do.
And you know, it's not guys that are these superstars,
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but to go and find a Franky Louvu and go
and find a Durance Armstrong and you know, to to
to to go and get an Austin Eckler and and
find guys that really fit what they want to do
and what they want to be. Youh of course we're
all gonna talking about the quarterback, and there's no question
Jaydon Daniel's been outstanding, incredible for a rookie. But you know,
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I think that the energy changing in the building and
just getting everybody in the same page and pointing in
the same direction and bringing in people that fit, and
there's a huge part of why they are where they are.
Speaker 4 (52:00):
Hey, Albert, I got one. That's a subject we talked
a little bit about yesterday. I'm probably I guess more
concerned than maybe others about it, but I feel like
there's a lack of parody in the NFL right now,
and you can just go and look at it as
far as the odds and the teams that are certainly
slated to go to the playoffs. You got twelve teams
that all have about a seventy seven or eighty percent
chance of making the playoffs at this point. And then
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you've got what nine teams I think we said yesterday
with two losses or two wins. You've got eleven teams
that it looks like have like a ten percent chance
or less. And so you've got this league where it's
like there's almost like it's either you are in the
playoff hunt or you're completely out of it, with the
exception of about nine teams who are biding for two
playoff spots, one on each side of the conference.
Speaker 6 (52:44):
I mean, is the NFL aware of this? Do you
notice this kind of stuff and hear people talking about
this on the outside.
Speaker 5 (52:48):
I mean, you know, I have a lot of thoughts
on this, Brady, But you know, I think one thing
that's sort of interesting, like, would anybody be surprised if
after all of this we wound up with the same
four teams at the end that we had last year,
like Detroit, Kansas City, San Francisco and Baltimore. I know
San Francisco's has been great, but if they get McCaffrey
back healthy, I don't think anybody surprised if they made
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it back there, you know, And then you look beyond that,
like Philly's in the mix again, Buffalo's in the mix again,
Pittsburgh's and the mix again, the same teams, you know,
I think I think a huge part of this is
just the amount of turnover with some of these franchises
and coaching and quarterbacks, and you know, eventually, I think
over time, it's not even that you're not good, it's
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like that you now you have no identity of who
you are, like organizationally, if you're turning over coaches every
two years, if you're turning over quarterbacks every three if
you're changing systems left and right, and you know, there's
some bigger picture stuff with that too, like you know,
like with the amount of money these teams are making,
like there's not as much of a deterrent to firing
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coaches are getting rid of players anymore because they can
absorb the financial hit, you know. I mean Matt Ruhle
is a great example, right, Like they gave him like
a seven year contract, which was unprecedent. David Tepper fires him,
walks away with like four years left on that deal,
and then fires Frank right after one year. So like
I mean, like legitimately, I think it's like that those
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two guys have like three years a piece left on
their contracts, you know, and neither of them are there anymore.
So there are a lot of factors, but I think
the number one factor is like just the destabilization of
mediocre and bad teams, and that those teams are kind
of you know, it's it's not just that they're having
a bad year, it's that they've become bad. It's just
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they're bad places now, you know. And I think that
allows the teams that are really stable, like your Kansas City's.
And it's hard to imagine, like five years ago that
we'd be calling Detroit one of those that they are now.
Like it really almost I almost feel like it widens
the gap between the teams that really know what they're
doing and the ones that don't. You know. It's it's
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an interesting dynamic, and I I think it's a good thing.
It's a perceptive of you to pick that up because
it's something I I've certainly noticed too.
Speaker 2 (55:06):
Get him on X at Albert Breer. He is Amazon
NFL on primes Insider for Thursday Night Football coming up
later on tonight between the Bengals and the Ravens. Senior
NFL reporter at the MMQB and our buddy every single
Thursday here on the show. AB appreciate it as always.
Enjoy tonight.
Speaker 5 (55:23):
All right, thanks guys, have a good one.
This is the best of two pros and a couple.
Joe with Lamar arings Rady Winn and Jonas Knox on
Fox Sports Radio.
Speaker 2 (00:13):
Lead the lap is so Happy.
Speaker 3 (00:15):
At three oh two, a M has a foot long
of a whole bunch of meat and it's about right,
I mean, and just presenting it with both hands. I'm
just so happy for you.
Speaker 2 (00:35):
Yeah, we do want to thank you. I want to
our loyal listener of the Fox Sports Radio family of
the Blowtorch a M five Sports Manuel and Guardina is
awesome and he's been listening to f SR and supporting
what we're doing here for years and years and years.
And he stopped by the studio Boon and he brought
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some food by, and he brought Lee.
Speaker 3 (00:59):
And of course Lee ain't wasting no time getting his hands.
Speaker 2 (01:03):
Three in the mornings. That's that's prime real estate hours
for a foot long sub.
Speaker 4 (01:11):
Something tells me it's softening. Whatever he drank, he said,
soaking it up.
Speaker 2 (01:17):
Manuel says to us, He goes, hey, we got one
for you. We got one for sticks, and we got
one for the crop duster.
Speaker 5 (01:28):
All right.
Speaker 2 (01:28):
So Lee's reputation proceeds him apparently, so.
Speaker 4 (01:32):
Lee, we gotta work on your copying pasting skills.
Speaker 3 (01:37):
Oh no, oh, no, Lee, how do you mess up
copy and paste? He just doesn't pay attention to details.
Speaker 2 (01:50):
He was what happened?
Speaker 6 (01:53):
Was there a We're partially to blame, but I'm just
trying to test run down.
Speaker 2 (01:57):
That's your man, that's your man.
Speaker 4 (02:01):
I've tried to make it a more efficient process. It's
like our show lives in the nineteen nineties, the way
Jonas wants it. So instead of just, you know, try
to make things easier, it's just everyone behind the scenes.
Speaker 6 (02:12):
It's just like no one can adapt to it.
Speaker 2 (02:14):
What's the issue? What happened?
Speaker 4 (02:17):
You still send him an email? He just copy and
pasted it. I put it directly onto it.
Speaker 2 (02:25):
I put that.
Speaker 6 (02:27):
Yeah, then you did a poor job copy.
Speaker 2 (02:29):
And pat What do you meansion? And then I copy
and paste and onto that.
Speaker 6 (02:37):
Then you were to blame for this?
Speaker 2 (02:38):
What you're not a copy and paste fixing it as
we speak? All right, what's the issue?
Speaker 6 (02:44):
You've you basically copy and paste the things twice.
Speaker 2 (02:49):
Let me see which ones? Well, I'm changing it now,
can you well, can you explain which one it is
that was copy and pasted twice? Let's just have the
discussion on the area.
Speaker 4 (02:59):
Okay, it's the one about Andrew Berry being noncommittal about
Watson in Cleveland.
Speaker 2 (03:03):
Yeah, yeah, So what's the what happened?
Speaker 6 (03:07):
Well, apparently he it sounds like.
Speaker 4 (03:12):
Sounds like he's for Watson, but then it also sounds
like maybe he's trying to not discuss the future, but
then at the same time, it kind of sounds like
he might be the one to blame.
Speaker 6 (03:24):
I don't does that make sense?
Speaker 2 (03:26):
No at all. I mean, I know what you're explaining,
but what is that.
Speaker 6 (03:31):
I'm talking about Andrew Berry?
Speaker 2 (03:32):
Yeah? Okay, but you went from Andrew Berry well.
Speaker 4 (03:38):
Because he wants to talk about on air, which I
think is probably the worst possible thing.
Speaker 2 (03:41):
To do at this moment. Okay, yeah, I mean I
know now you tied it together. Yea, yeah, not really.
Speaker 6 (03:48):
I was trying to transition, but.
Speaker 2 (03:54):
I don't get I'm so lost.
Speaker 3 (03:57):
The point of the story is freaking learn how to
be page Jonas.
Speaker 2 (04:01):
Now I'm looking at this run. You're so better than
what you're doing right now. You and your man I
looked exactly as is. So how I put it on
last night is exactly how it was on. I don't
know what the issue was. If somebody else went on
there afterwards and rearranged it, then that's not my Problemang.
I mean, and it definitely ain't that big of a
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dealang that right now. But nonetheless, is.
Speaker 3 (04:27):
It a big deal that Andrew Berry could be supporting
Deshaun Watson versus maybe not supporting Deshaun Watson versus maybe
he's coming back, versus maybe he's not coming back, maybe
something else. What does Andrew Berry really mean?
Speaker 2 (04:43):
Well, I mean, listen, it's gone so smoothly with Deshaun Watson.
Speaker 3 (04:46):
I mean, it's been the best case scenario playouts since
they've gotten home.
Speaker 2 (04:50):
I agree. Like you talk about bang for your body,
I mean ROI no pun intended, you know what I mean? Yeah,
But nonetheless, Andrew Berry, the GM of the Cleveland means
I did talk about the Shan Watson situation yesterday. Obviously
he is on the mend out for the year with
the Achilles. Let's take a listen to the Cleveland GM.
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I'm really not in reflection mode.
Speaker 7 (05:13):
I think that's probably I remember I got asked this about,
you know, Dobbs last year's It's really more not really
my focus at this point in the year. Our focus
is really on finishing out the twenty twenty four season,
having the team play at a higher level, and then
kind of we'll get to like those maybe longer term
or big picture reflections at a later point in time. Really,
our focus with Deshaun, I would say, for any player
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with a season eniting injury and a major injury is
first and foremost with the recovery and to make sure
that he gets healthy from the Achilles injury. You everything
else will deal with at a later moment the world.
Speaker 3 (05:48):
In which Deshaun Watson can come back here and play.
Speaker 2 (05:50):
More football for you guys to get Yeah, I think
that's always possible.
Speaker 3 (05:54):
I mean, listen, I mean those are all expected responses
if you ask me, very very minimum, very you know, noncommittal,
but but very uh standard. That's a standard response, right.
Speaker 4 (06:09):
What we didn't have is sound on a few different
ways in which you know, he answered things. So for example,
he talked about, you know, obviously this being less than
ideal in particular to evaluating you know, his his these
long absences, but he did mention the Hey, all of
us were on board when we made the decision, and
you know, everyone was on board almost like kind of saying, yeah,
(06:31):
this looks like it's gonna be on my lap at
some point because they contract because of how he built
this roster. But you know everyone was on board with
that decision. And I think you make a comment like
that because if you're looking around the room, Jimmy Haslem
ain't going anywhere. Kevin Stefanski just won Coach of the Year,
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so I think people are giving him the benefit of doubt,
giving me He's won it twice, so he's got the reputation.
Speaker 6 (06:56):
For being this coach.
Speaker 4 (06:58):
And I'm sure there's there been times when you hear
him talk and it feels like he doesn't want to
have to deal with this.
Speaker 6 (07:04):
I mean, we talked about that earlier the far.
Speaker 4 (07:06):
This season, and so if you're looking at the direction
of where the season's going, and if you get to
the end of the year and fans are like, well,
doesn't someone have to take the fall for this? Like
doesn't someone have to take the blame for how we
get here? It might be pointing squarely at Andrew Barry.
And if that's the case, there's probably a thought of
(07:27):
like he better started laying the groundwork to protect himself
or insulate himself from from being the guy that like
multimately made this decisions.
Speaker 6 (07:37):
That's what I think this is about. That's why I
think this might where this might be heading.
Speaker 3 (07:40):
I would say it's interesting that perspective because I totally
agree and sports there always has to be a fall guy.
You just asked, Chris, Chris Carter, you know you gotta
make sure you have that fall guy in place. Y'all
got a crew, You got a crew. You gotta have
a fall guy. And that's how this thing all works.
Something goes wrong. It doesn't need to go wrong for you,
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it needs to go wrong for that designated fall guy.
Speaker 2 (08:04):
You imagine say that with a straight face to rookies.
Speaker 3 (08:08):
I just think that where Cleveland is right now, someone
has to take the blame for this decision that took
place with Deshaun Watson. And I think at this point
it's clear you can define the Deshaun Watson situation as
a debacle. So it's the Deshaun Watson debacle. Now it
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becomes the Deshaun Watson controversy because the controversy existed who
made the decision? You know, I made the point not
too long ago where I felt like Stefanski was falling
on the sword for whoever made this decision by the
things that he said as it applied to what they
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were doing and how they were handling things with Watson.
Now Watson gets injured, it's out of Stefanski's hands because
fate handled the situation for Kevin's face. As now it
falls in the hands of probably most likely the people
who made the decision.
Speaker 2 (09:05):
To bring him there.
Speaker 3 (09:07):
And you're never going to sit there and say that
it's purely Andrew Berry, that that's to blame for it
in the public, because you can't bring in a guy
at that amount of money without the ownership being in
total total lockstep with doing that because it's too much money.
But since you're not going to to to make a
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move on on ownership, ownership is never going to be
incorrect in these scenarios. The designated fall guy in this
situation has.
Speaker 2 (09:39):
To be the GM. I have a two part question
for you guys, all right, first part is do the
Cleveland Browns have a good roster?
Speaker 6 (09:46):
Yes?
Speaker 2 (09:47):
Okay, so solids Andrew Berry is the GM there. He
would probably be one of the reasons why they've built
up a decent roster. Here's the second question, who do
you believe ultimately made the decision to bring into Shaun
Watson ownership? Yeah, so how the hell? Yeah, but Andrew
Barry be held responsible for something ownership did when he's
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built a.
Speaker 3 (10:09):
Good roster, because somebody has to be the sacrificial lamb
to maintaining hope for your fan.
Speaker 2 (10:16):
Base, Jimmy has them can't come out and be like, hey,
that's on me, like sorry, like they could.
Speaker 6 (10:22):
He's lost credibility and they could.
Speaker 4 (10:25):
Obviously, I'm a little closer to the Cleveland situation than
most because when you watch how he took over as
an owner, and there's been turnover after turnover after turnover
at some point, and he kept talking about when to
fix and wanted to get it right, it's hard to
build up any confidence with anyone within that organization with
him and their decision making. So because of that, I
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think that's the hard part is I don't know that
he wants to admit that he was wrong. I mean,
it's pretty blatant too. I think when you look at it,
we all realize, like, well, if anyone was to blame,
it's probably him for ultimately agreeing to it. But again,
maybe maybe it should have been Andrew Berry who said, Jimmy,
don't do this, like, you don't need to give him
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this contract, because ultimately he had to sign off on that.
So by the way the roster building, an owner can
sit there and say, well, yeah, I was able to
pay a bunch of cash too to make that roster possible.
You know, there's the drafting of it as well. I mean,
it's it's more of a cohesive group. So if you're
looking at this, like who else was going to take
(11:30):
the blame? If it's not Andrew Berry.
Speaker 3 (11:33):
I think Kevin Stefanski could have been the fall guy
just based off of the performance of the team and
with Sean Watson in there, if they're not performing at
a high level, there's the possibility that you could say,
all right, like this falls to an easy little hanging.
Speaker 4 (11:54):
Which I also wonder if he'd be okay with that,
because he's like, I don't want to be in the
situation anymore either.
Speaker 2 (12:00):
A cute That's why I said before.
Speaker 3 (12:03):
I feel like he's like, hey, I'll take the blame
because in the end, look, think about it, right, think
about everything we're saying right now. If you think back
to Stefanski, saying, I'm making the final decision here. It's
my decision to make. He's basically saying, do not look
at anyone else as being culpable for what's taking place
with Deshaun Watson. I got it, So if it does
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indeed fall on his feet, that he's got it. Andrew
Barry has an easy out, and so does the ownership.
But with that being said, nobody's going to look at
Kevin Stefanski if he gets fired and say, Kevin Stefanski
did a horrible job as a coach for the Cleveland Browns.
You're looking at it like he got screwed. He took
one for the team. So it actually was a strategically
(12:48):
sound decision, And especially if it's based off of your
reasoning of what you're saying right now, it's like, hey,
maybe I want to get out of this situation. Maybe
I don't want to work in this dysfunction, you know,
And now I'm able to get out of it. Keep
my reputation intact. I took one for the team. It's
clear that I took this bullet for the team, and
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now that gives me an opportunity to start anew and
maybe clean the slate and go somewhere where it's actually
a better situation.
Speaker 2 (13:15):
And proven that he can do it with other quarterbacks
not named Deshaun Watson like he did it with flak Oh,
he did it with Baker Mayfield. He took the team
to the playoffs twice. That's different. Contract said you were
clearly there. I can't.
Speaker 3 (13:28):
I would not be able to name very many, if
any at all, coaches, head coaches that would have the
pimp had excuse me, not pimp paint, but the Stronghand.
It's not appropriate anymore. Yeah, the Stronghand to be able
to wield a offer such as the one that Deshaun
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Watson got that's out of his pay grade because it's
so far out of the parameters of what a budget
would be within the confines of this cap. You're not
going as a head coach, coach, you're not going to
be able to clear and give a contract like at
like that out to any player.
Speaker 2 (14:06):
You're not. So I think Stefanski's playing it the right way.
Speaker 3 (14:10):
Don't say not one word bad about anybody in this organization.
Just keep coaching the best that you can, knowing that
everybody's looking at it and talking about what the dysfunction
has looked like or the disconnect and the lack of
of you know, success from Deshaun Watson and all of
the things that have gone along with Deshaun Watson. It's
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an easy out. So it's kind of like a tug
of ward at this point. Barry has to present himself
in a way where he stays surface level, which that's
what he did. Stefanski has to be the coach and
try to maintain his respect with his players and maintain
you know what it is that he does.
Speaker 2 (14:50):
The integrity of his job. That's what he did.
Speaker 3 (14:53):
The only person you ain't heard from in all of
this is the ownership, which in every reality that's probably
the proper way for them to handle it as well.
So to me, you got three entities that are handling
the situation and what is perceivably self preservation mode for
all parties involved. Yeah, three way game of chess going on,
(15:16):
which I've never seen that before, but I think that
would be pretty cool to watch that take place on
a board.
Speaker 2 (15:21):
Actually, that would be sweet.
Speaker 6 (15:23):
Least sitting that an adult film before.
Speaker 3 (15:27):
Where the rook go called called the called the Torpedo
at three am, just steal my Bishop that's what the
name of this, This show is called Today three am.
Speaker 2 (15:38):
With my torpedo in my mouth. Rook.
Speaker 3 (15:42):
He can't talk right now because his mouth is full.
Him in there eating. You're piping that sandwich down already,
him a scarf in it.
Speaker 4 (15:52):
You can we verify whether or not you're eating this
right now, because you need to cushion whatever you consumed yesterday.
Speaker 6 (16:03):
As far as adult beverages.
Speaker 8 (16:05):
I had a couple of Margarita's yesterday, but that was
really early in the day, So I'm doing good.
Speaker 6 (16:12):
What's really early in the day three o'clock. That's not
early early, dude.
Speaker 3 (16:18):
If you're happy like before noon, that's a lie. I
sleep until noon. I can see that. I can see
you sleeping until noon. Dang, I get so much work
done by noon.
Speaker 2 (16:32):
Got lee. I pushed my le around. You pushed it?
Speaker 8 (16:35):
Yeah, I pushed it like literally literally yeah, because that
girl Mom's no, the old one the Malibu because we're uh,
they're assphaulting the street, and so I had to push
it into a driveway.
Speaker 6 (16:47):
Now did you do it by yourself? To help you?
Speaker 8 (16:50):
I got the neighbors, John and John.
Speaker 4 (16:52):
John and John, John and John say, now do they
smell it the same way, or there's one, there's one
smell without an h.
Speaker 2 (16:58):
Well, I always call the other shown by his last
name los On. I'm sure you wanted that on that
huh okay. Interesting.
Speaker 3 (17:08):
It's like the Life and Times the Leader, I swear
to God, I mean his life is really it really
is a TV show. I can't believe somebody hasn't approached
us about doing the reality TV show. It really could
re establish like reality TV is really taking like a
backseat to other styles of and other forms of content.
(17:31):
But life would lead the life would lead the lot.
Come on, man, me and Lee something to that effect.
That's it's that's that's money. I can't believe nobody's done this.
Oh man, money.
Speaker 4 (17:43):
I think he's good for those like thirty second highlights
and after that you'd be like, this is kind of boring.
Speaker 2 (17:47):
Yeah, clip, it's a TikTok show.
Speaker 6 (17:50):
Yeah it's not.
Speaker 2 (17:50):
It's not like air. I don't think we get twenty
minutes out of it. Oh TikTok viral TikTok cliffs.
Speaker 4 (17:58):
I mean we try the leftovers. We try to digging
your life a little bit more than He's not willing
to be fully transparent. That's the problem.
Speaker 3 (18:05):
If he was fully transparent, Leftovers would literally be the
best segment on this show.
Speaker 6 (18:10):
The problem is like, how do you film those moments
where it just blocks out for two hours?
Speaker 3 (18:14):
There was not much That's why he needs assistance, like
like within his ecosystem of friends. And when we did
it with Todd, it was a win, and we brought
Todd on, it was a win.
Speaker 2 (18:26):
We can. I tell you what I noticed yesterday you
sent over the listing for the place that you're selling
your face, and I remember you told me a story
how you couldn't get to work because you had lost
your keys and you found him behind the sink, and
I was like, that doesn't make any sense. And then
I was looking through the photos. I was like, oh,
that's where they probably were. Ve.
Speaker 6 (18:50):
Can we send the listening to our group chat just
so we can check this out?
Speaker 2 (18:54):
Right now? I have no use this morning.
Speaker 6 (18:58):
What's that you have an open house today?
Speaker 2 (19:00):
You're not selling place? Looks great, it looks awesome.
Speaker 4 (19:04):
Go back place if you do get the right offer.
Are you ready to close right now?
Speaker 5 (19:10):
No?
Speaker 6 (19:10):
Yeah?
Speaker 4 (19:11):
Is everyone involved in this property ready to close right now?
Speaker 2 (19:14):
Yep? Liar, they're lying. He's lying based on the last
couple of days. Probably, h the last couple of days, huh,
a couple of.
Speaker 3 (19:25):
Years made that sounds a little But everybody needs a
fall guy, you know what I mean. And in that situation,
Lee is easily going to be the fall guy.
Speaker 2 (19:36):
Easily? Lee? Did you copy and paste twice in the
Google doc? I'm still trying to figure that out. I
haven't opened the Google doc.
Speaker 8 (19:41):
I did quickly a little copy and paste, but I'll
check it right well, I already deleted it.
Speaker 6 (19:47):
I already changed it. It's all right.
Speaker 8 (19:49):
But uh, what we have in front of us looks good,
nice and pretty.
Speaker 2 (19:53):
You are funny, dude.
Speaker 6 (19:56):
I'm done, bro, that's all right.
Speaker 2 (20:01):
I tried my best coming up next here from.
Speaker 4 (20:05):
You're just gonna live in the nineteen nineties and live passively,
aggressively for the rest of us life.
Speaker 2 (20:09):
What do you mean? What did I do dig up
your dead dog? What do I do go get your
dead dog? What does my dead dog have to do
with anything?
Speaker 5 (20:16):
What about?
Speaker 6 (20:16):
Nothing? Exactly? That's the point.
Speaker 2 (20:18):
I loaded up the Google doc. I don't know if
it got copy and pasted twice.
Speaker 4 (20:22):
I love you say you loaded it up there's no loading.
The Google doc just lives that exists. Yeah, you make
adjustments or edits to it.
Speaker 2 (20:28):
Yeah, yeah, you make adjustments and edits. I loaded up.
Speaker 3 (20:31):
I'm always making adjustments to that bad boy, always like
every minute by minute. Yeah, yeah, it was pretty last
Oh I'm a dog on at that document.
Speaker 2 (20:45):
A Lee, wouldn't you say that I did a great
job loading that thing up?
Speaker 6 (20:48):
Looks good to me.
Speaker 2 (20:49):
Chambers fall on that Google doc after I'm done.
Speaker 4 (20:52):
That's because you're looking at a foot long sandwich, right, Yes,
he is right between the ass right in the pie
hole damp.
Speaker 1 (21:00):
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Pete's always an upbeat, positive guys you've heard every single
Tuesday on this show throughout the course of the season.
They've decided to compile a list of the top ten
hot seats in the NFL when it comes to coaches
and so away we go. Some of these are maybe
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not so surprising when you consider the rumors that went
into the season and where they're at or where they're
at now. Number one on the list, all right, Mike
McCarthy of the Dallas Cowboys. Right, that feels like the
most obvious choice here. Mike McCarthy of the Cowboys and
the way this season is headed. He is number one
on the list, LeVar, sorry for the following. Number two
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on this list is Antonio Pierre, followed by Doug Peterson
at three. Any objections to any of those.
Speaker 4 (22:05):
Well, the first one, I'd say, if he's going in
to the last year of his contract and they just
don't renew him, he technically didn't get fired.
Speaker 2 (22:13):
It's true, so so not necessarily a hot seat.
Speaker 3 (22:16):
He's still still a hot seat though, because that couldn't
that could It's more like a cool seat, like he
needs it to get hot so they can sign them
to an extension.
Speaker 4 (22:26):
But I think they're just cooling off and so the
seat just slowly fades away into a blift.
Speaker 6 (22:31):
Hint to like the next coach.
Speaker 3 (22:33):
You totally changed the entire description of what a hot
seat is. And I get it, Like hell, I get it.
He is I mean, if he's not renewed, then he
doesn't have a seat. That's it on all right, Antonio
appears too. Yeah, I'm sure that's what you you. I mean, listen,
I don't believe in in in unfair and and fair
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in some cases and in the pro ranks, there is
no such thing as fair and unfair as only results
and and so some people have more opportunities to gain
and garner the ability to get results.
Speaker 2 (23:10):
Some don't.
Speaker 3 (23:11):
And that's the reality that exists at at that you
know stage, that that that level of of of this
this sport. So to me, uh, of course he's on
the hot seat because the team doesn't look like they're
competitive enough to be competitive.
Speaker 2 (23:28):
Can I give you guys a conspiracy theory? Oh? All right?
Speaker 3 (23:30):
Do we have a Robert Stack Uh that's connected to
the Las Vegas Raiders. Yes, okay, So here's my conspiracy theory.
Speaker 2 (23:38):
I don't believe that Antonio Piers should be out after
this year. I think he deserves a chance. Wow, it's
here the buck.
Speaker 3 (23:48):
I think compliments are always the worst setup for what
I think.
Speaker 2 (23:53):
There's a good chance that Antonio Peers is coaching his
final season for the Raiders and here's why Tom Brady
is taking over and is going to have input and
say into personnel decisions. And if you go back to Tom
Brady's career, what is the most devastating loss of his career,
Perfect Season ruined by the Giants and the Super Bowl?
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And who was a member of that Giants. He was
the captain of that team, Antonio Pears. He was the captain.
Tom Brady's going to get his revenge all these years
later and he's going to make the decision to move
on from Antonio Peers in Vegas, and it's got I
want Perfect Season, all right.
Speaker 4 (24:28):
I know, I know I threw this out there in
the past, and this actually is going to be really
really fascinating to see what happens after the season.
Speaker 6 (24:37):
And you guys might call me crazy.
Speaker 4 (24:41):
There could be two spots open that could proby coach
Prime away from Colorado.
Speaker 6 (24:49):
What would be Dallas.
Speaker 4 (24:51):
I don't know if they'd be willing to do that,
make the splash all of that, but could you imagine
the excitement if you're talking about the business side of
things bringing bringing Prime back to Dallas. If McCarthy isn't renewed,
could you imagine the hype around that that's one, but
the other's Las Vegas. Oh yeah, And it's no secret
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Shador has been tweeting out after every single Raiders loss
in the hopes that he.
Speaker 6 (25:21):
I think gets drafted there.
Speaker 4 (25:23):
So I'm kind of connecting the dots, but it seems
like there's an interest in him going there. I do
think it'd be a good spot for him. I do
think he'll be taken probably number one overall. Is the
top quarterback. You know this week as we prepared for
our games, have come through a lot of his tape
and he's an nflready passed or he's running an NFL system.
Of all the guys who are draft eligible, he's the
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guy this year. So if that's the case, and if
there was the potential of bringing coach prime what he's done,
and look, people could say whatever they want about Colorado.
They quite troupled their win total in his first year.
They're now BO eligible and they're still fighting for a
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shot to play for the Big Twelve championship. If they
win that, they'll go to the College Football Playoff in
a year two. So there's something to be said for how,
at least based on his resume, what coach Prime has
done from the coaching standpoint, and I think if you
want something that sells, if you're Mark Davis, you're the Raiders,
it might be something that you contemplate. And I'm sure
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that Prime would love to continue to grow with the
Sun to coach him at the next level as well,
given how it's been successful so far through college.
Speaker 3 (26:41):
You know, I've spoken to Prime, and Prime say he
has zero interest in going to the pro level.
Speaker 6 (26:50):
Now that until you get offered it.
Speaker 3 (26:51):
I mean, that's that's the point, you know. I don't
know if that's how the day. It must be the
money somebody the remix of it too. Anyway, you know,
it would be interesting if Prime went to the league.
I don't think that there's anything at this point that
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anyone should bet against him on being able to have
success at doing it. If you're looking at his his staff,
he would probably take his entire coaching.
Speaker 2 (27:23):
Staff with him, as he has done throughout the years.
Speaker 3 (27:26):
He's changed a couple, you know, guys here and there,
you know, but for the most part, the kind of
the core group of guys that he coaches what he's
had since he was coaching Shador, you know, in Pee
wee lea you football, which I think is pretty fascinating
that this is a group that he's totally acclimated, too
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aware of. And you know, a lot of people will
tell you one of the biggest things that you're going
to fight when you become a head coach, especially in
high stakes, is you know, is there any type of
you know, in in house division, is there is there
anybody plotting against you, anybody working against you? You know,
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where you're trying to go in one direction, there taking
it in another direction, and you know, ultimately for their
own game. He doesn't have to deal with those things.
So if he were to decide to go to the
next level, it would be interesting because I think he's
taking the same approach. There are very few people that
can take an approach to being a coach and be
the type of figure of leadership and of respect and
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admiration to the pro level that Deon Sanders would take.
There will actually be grown ass men. There would not
be one man that isn't that is too grown to
actually look at Deon Sanders and be like, man, that's Prime.
Like let's like, I can't believe I'm playing for Prime.
I bet you every pretty much every person on that
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roster and on that team would recognize it that way.
Speaker 2 (28:57):
So I think it would be a unique deal.
Speaker 3 (28:59):
I just back to the original point of it, though,
to be at the expense of a quality guy like
Antonio Pierce, and not just because that's one of my
closest friends, but just to understand the circumstances of which
he's he's you know, he's faced with. Like I said,
I don't get into fear unfair in the league, but
I just, you know, I don't think that it would
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be right to move on from him based off of,
you know, the given circumstances he has for this season.
Speaker 4 (29:26):
Yeah, I did have a buddy tell me. He's like,
hey man, this was like advice in the league. He's like,
you can't look for fairness in the NFL or in life.
He's like, faires what you pay to get on the bus,
here's along for.
Speaker 6 (29:37):
The ride, you know. And I was like, I've always
thought of that. I always thought that was great advice.
But the interesting thing about.
Speaker 4 (29:42):
Antonio Pears is he got the job because the job
he did last year with that team and this year,
I think we all kind of we all we looked
at the roster and said there's not high expectations because
of the quarterback position, and that's been their big to
achilles heel.
Speaker 6 (30:02):
So I don't know how.
Speaker 4 (30:03):
You can fire the guy if you're the front office
and you did nothing to provide him with at the
most important position, someone you felt like could help you
win football games, and you play in a division with
the best quarterback in football. You gotta see him twice
a year. And on top of that, you can play
in the division with another team that's got a stud
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in the LA Chargers, and another team that drafted a
rookie quarterback who's done well this year in bon Nicks.
Instead of you like it, I look at it and say,
how can you put the blame on the coach when
you know this roster is nowhere near where it needs
to be.
Speaker 6 (30:41):
And so it's a small sample size.
Speaker 4 (30:45):
But if you go back to last year, like this
team finished second in the AFC West, they were five
and four when Antonio Pierce took over, they had momentum.
Speaker 6 (30:53):
There's a reason why they hired him in the first place.
I think the.
Speaker 4 (30:56):
Biggest mistake owners make is when they rip out the
rug from underneath coaches because they get some adversity, and
sometimes it comes to injuries, a bunch of guys go
on ir other times it's because the roster's not quite
where it needs to be. Maybe there's a disconnect, maybe
they need to make some changes on their coaching staff,
which he's done. I just think it'd be way too soon,
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and I will go ahead and make that that statement
for a lot of the head coach to our first
year head coach. It's like if you're David Tepper and
you move on from Dave Knaws, oh god, like what
are you doing? Like like what's the point to sell
the franchise at that point? And there's other like like
draw mail, like he's on this list, why they just
they just hired.
Speaker 6 (31:34):
Him this year?
Speaker 2 (31:35):
Those two I didn't understand.
Speaker 6 (31:37):
I don't ever get it.
Speaker 4 (31:38):
I think if you're an owner, you should You could
only look in the mirror and say, yeah, this is
this is on you, Like you hired these guys that
if halfway through the season you're already disgruntled with them,
that's on you. You were part of that hiring process.
So I mean, look, I mean if I was to
look at this list based on the candidates that are there,
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I would say Doug Peterson belongs on it right obviously,
Brian Dable in New York, which I think they're gonna
be patient with it. So I'm not even sure that's
the situation. For the reason I just laid out with
Antonio Pierce, even though Brian Dable's been there longer, I
think they know they weren't able to address the quarterback position,
and that's something they're going to have to address in
the offseason.
Speaker 6 (32:20):
And then I think you.
Speaker 4 (32:20):
Look at a guy like Nick Sirianni, and that's only
because it's not because there's a track record, it's only
because the level of expectations in Philly, where if they
don't win to a certain amount, it's like, well, dude,
we feel like we can find someone else to come
in here and do that. So I would say those
three next to McCarthy make the most sense as far
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as the hot seater, I guess at McCarthy's case, I mean,
if it's not getting fired, he's just not getting renewed.
Speaker 6 (32:47):
It kind of feels a little bit more like a
cold saint than a.
Speaker 3 (32:49):
Hot Let's reorder them. Who's number one? Who's your number one?
Speaker 6 (32:53):
I think it's McCarthy again, not hot but cold, but whatever.
Speaker 3 (32:57):
I mean a no seat. His hot seat doesn't because
he's a no seat. Okay, I would agree with Mike
McCarthy get number one. I got Dug Peterson one.
Speaker 6 (33:07):
I would say he's two.
Speaker 3 (33:09):
See I got Nick Sirianni too. I have Nick Sirianni too,
because I think out of all these teams he had,
he does have the highest of expectations. So if he
comes up short, I think that the kind of the
off field or the emotional outbursts or type of things
that he does extra curricular from just coaching, I think
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become more of a focal point of keeping him around
because it's an irritant to a lot of people. You
can tolerate certain things when you're winning, but when you
come up short, I think that those things become more
of a deterrent to want to deal with somebody. So
I would put Cirianni at too. So if I'm going
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to three, I would say Doug Peterson is right where
he's supposed to be on this one. I think he's
at three on this on this list.
Speaker 2 (33:57):
I think it's in Chicago. Dang, because Philly's got a
playoff roster like they've like, that's a team that's going
to the playoffs and if they win a game, they
win two games in the postseason. I just don't know
that Howie Roseman still pulls the trigger and moves on.
Speaker 3 (34:14):
You know what's interesting about that? You know who I
think my number four is Mike McDaniel.
Speaker 2 (34:21):
You think, okay, that one. I don't think it deserves
to be on the list at all. I think he's
the number four. His quarterback got his head caved in.
Speaker 3 (34:27):
But as a as a coach, you have to be
prepared for the unexpected, and they totally like, okay, you're
gonna have a little bit of a fall off drop
off if you don't have your starter. But to the
level that they've dropped off to, I don't know. You
go from division division competitor, possibly AFC competitor, one of
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the teams that could possibly stand up to the Chiefs,
to now you're fighting to just be relevant. I just
think with the talent and the expectation, much like what
Sirianni has had to deal with, but to maybe a
lesser capacity, a lesser degree, Mike McDaniel is on that list.
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If you can turn this around when your quarterback, because
let's be clear, I mean, do you when do you
not have to a you know what I mean, like,
when's the next time you don't have hold on?
Speaker 6 (35:21):
You've got him higher than Kevin Stefanski.
Speaker 3 (35:24):
I do, I do I have him hired than Kevin
Stefanski just for the simple fact that I think I'm
of the thought process that behind closed doors, the people
that make the decisions have to have to accept the
fact that they fed it up bad. And I think
that that's the only thing that works in Stefanski's favor
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is that he was again willing to fall on the
sword for the people who are really to blame and
that are culpable for what took place at the quarterback's position,
and it wasn't.
Speaker 4 (35:55):
I guess if you've got a golden parachute, it works
out well, right if you're like, yeah, I follow the
sword for you guys, go ahead, and you know, pay
me whatever the rest I'm supposed to make.
Speaker 6 (36:05):
And as long.
Speaker 4 (36:06):
As there's you know, any offsets, I can go coach
somewhere elsewhere else else.
Speaker 3 (36:10):
It's a it's a win win for Stefanski. Yeah, and
in reality, he if he if he loses his job.
Speaker 4 (36:17):
But to me, that to me makes it more likely
to be able to be higher on the hot seat chart,
because if you look at Big Daniels, like they got
on the playoffs the last two years, he's got a
winning record as the head coach there, I think we'd
all agree the roster's not deep enough or close enough
to being able to surpass Buffalo. And that's you know,
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ultimately who's won it the past two years and then
this year. I mean, it's an entirely different team in
offense without Tua. Yeah, I think I think he gets
the benefit of the doubt. I wouldn't even put him
on the list, but I think he gets the benefit
of the doubt with what he's done and what's occurred
this season. I think the real question becomes, you know,
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the the answer to that backup quarterback question is like,
was that addressed well enough with the front office?
Speaker 6 (37:05):
You know, did Chris Career look at to.
Speaker 4 (37:07):
His injury history and say to Steven Ross, their owner,
we need to pay for a good backup, like we
need to pay for somebody who can be here in
case Ta gets injured. He's had any long injury history
or if he has something happened where he's not gonna
be able to play again, and that's got to be a.
Speaker 6 (37:26):
I just feel like conversation.
Speaker 3 (37:28):
I feel like, if that's the foundational reasons for him
to not be on the list, then how is Antonio
Pierce number two on the list because his situation is
way more jacked up than the Dolphins? So how is
he being judged based off of decisions that are out
of his hands?
Speaker 4 (37:48):
I always think that's the case, and I guess I
never got to this in asking you guys, like the
interim head coach then takes over as head coach, it
always feels like it's the organization stuck with that decision
instead of like having a true hiring process and going
through that to find that next head coach, And I
feel like it never works out.
Speaker 2 (38:08):
Uh they I think also part of the reason why
ap got the shot. The players wanted him. Obviously one
of them, DeVante Adams isn't there anymore. But they made
a mistake when they moved on from Rich Pasaccia because
Bissaci actually took them to the playoffs, like after he
took over for Gruden and they moved on from him.
Those players loved him, and he did a great job
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for that team, like kind of rebounding after that mess
with Gruden and all the stuff that came out, and
then they went to Josh McDaniels, who was this quarterback
though down, Okay, you know what I mean. Like, like,
the bottom.
Speaker 3 (38:42):
Line here is is that if you're looking at where
this team is, you did not give him a fear
of opportunity. No matter who the coach is interiom, new coach,
that person was not put in a position where they
could have success.
Speaker 2 (38:58):
I agree. I think I think people are way too
quick to move on from coaches quarterbacks, like you know,
I think they deserve more an opportunity. But I just
if you're going to be.
Speaker 3 (39:09):
That aggressive on judging a coach and defining his his
career with a decision that's aggressive, then the least you
could do would be be aggressive and the players that
you're going to give him to you to be able
to make that aggressive decision on his future as the coach.
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I don't I don't need to put a name on it.
I just think that that should be the idea of it.
You're Jerry Jones and you said this is an all
in season for Mike McCarthy, Well, how is it all
in when you haven't really addressed your offensive line issue?
Speaker 2 (39:47):
How is it all in?
Speaker 3 (39:48):
If you haven't addressed your receiver's position? You got one receiver?
You got one? How is it all in when all
of your money is going to literally two players and
the rest of them are how are you all in?
But yet you'll look at Mike McCarthy and you'll say,
Mike McCarthy, you came up short. We got to roll out,
and we got to get a different coach, and we're
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expecting the next coach to get different results. But you're
doing things the same exact way. How how is he
on the hot seat when.
Speaker 2 (40:18):
That's your approach.
Speaker 3 (40:20):
I just think that if it's a look in the
mirror type of situation, it's a different way of approaching
who's on the hot seat and who's not. But again,
fair is for the bus, and you're just on there
for the ride. And if you're just on there for
the ride, and then you can't sit there and look
at these teams and wonder why they never really have
a large measure of success from season to season, because
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you're seeing exactly why they don't have it There's no
reason to be confused about it.
Speaker 2 (40:48):
It just is what it is.
Speaker 1 (40:50):
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Speaker 2 (41:00):
Right now, we welcome in Albert Breer. He is the
star of Amazon Primes Thursday night football coverage. He is
the senior NFL reporter, lead content strategist at the MMQB,
and he's always a friend of us here on a
Thursday morning, AB, how are we feeling here?
Speaker 5 (41:22):
Good morning, LeVar?
Speaker 2 (41:24):
What was that?
Speaker 5 (41:26):
Good morning?
Speaker 4 (41:27):
Var?
Speaker 2 (41:27):
Oh?
Speaker 3 (41:27):
Oh you never say good morning to me? First, good
morning to you too, Albert Breer. And congratulations on your
big victory.
Speaker 5 (41:38):
Oh, thank you, thank you. I will be the first
to say I did not see that one coming, especially
my concerns about the offensive line.
Speaker 2 (41:46):
But here we are, here, we are Yeah, there you go.
With that being said, Albert, we now transition over from
I mean, it's all roses for the Ohio State buck guys,
completely the opposite for the Dallas Cowboys. The injury to
Dak Prescott. What the hell is this team going to
look like? This? Offseason, What changes can we expect? Where
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do they stand right now as an organization?
Speaker 5 (42:13):
Yeah, I mean there are a lot of big picture questions.
You know, obviously Mike McCarthy's in the contract year. He is,
a coaching situation looks like going forward, you know, the
owners getting older, and you know you've got some big
picture decisions to make again this offseason. Last year it
was Dak Prescott and Ceedee Lamb. This offseason it'll be
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Michael Parsons. And you know, I I think you look
at the rest of this season and I mean this
is not like a small deal with with Dak Prescott's hamstring.
This is potentially a season ender now. You know, I
think he could be back as soon as a month
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from now. But you know, it's where they're at, like,
you know, what's left for you from now? Are they
able to tread water for long enough to stay in
the race where you know you're gonna be bringing Dak
Prescott back to play relevant games if he is able
to come back that soon.
Speaker 2 (43:10):
It's just.
Speaker 5 (43:12):
You know, they're sitting there now at three and five
and and and not with a ton of hope. And
you know, it does feel like I don't know if
it feels this way you guys, but this feel to
me like this, that this game is Sunday against the
Eagles is almost a must win for them. It's tough
to see where then they'd be at three and six.
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How do you dig out of that? They got the
Texans f to that, and then they have the Commanders
that week after that. It's I mean, this thing could
be a three and eight and the season could be
over very very fast.
Speaker 4 (43:47):
Albert, we spoke about coaches on the hot seat, and
and referring to Dallas, we did note that Mike McCarthy
technically they could just not renew him or extend him.
So I don't know the hot seat or not, But
going through the list of head coaches that are in
that position, who's the one that you feel like, you
look at now that we've got Robert sala as number one,
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but who's like the next guy potentially inline in your mind?
Speaker 5 (44:13):
Well, I'm obviously gonna Salence done that too. So we're
we're two.
Speaker 6 (44:16):
And I sorry we kind of wrote them off after
the first two weeks.
Speaker 5 (44:21):
Yeah, yeah, you know, there are a couple like that.
I just kind of like, look at say all right like,
you know, how to the next three four weeks ago,
that would be the most The most obvious one to
me would probably still be Doug Peterson. And you know
where they're at, and do they you know, want to
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get a jump And you know a lot of times
there's gonna be a domino effect to these where you know,
a team that is thinking about making the change after
the season looks at it, is what we're going to
do this later on? Do we want to signal the
potential candidates that were our job is going to be available?
Do we want to be able to start like that
candidates and being able to do that stuff out in
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the open rather than sneaking around, you know, start to do
your background work on a coaching search. You know, when
you have a couple of teams that are already in
that position where they can do that, the other teams
can look at it and say, well, we need to
be competitive in the market too. So look, I think
Jacksonville is a team you look at and say, if
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that goes the wrong way over the next few weeks,
could they consider a change based on some of the
things that happened earlier in the year. I'd say maybe
and the Raiders are just a weird one that I'm
keeping an eye on. You know, they fired their offensive coordinator.
They fired their offensive coordinator on Sunday night, and they
also fired two other offensive coaches. So you're stripping your
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your staff of your your coordinator, your quarterbacks coach, your
line coach. Those are three pretty important positions on a
coaching staff. And so you bring in North Turner, you
promote his son Scott to be the play caller. You've
now had four former head coaches go through there, and
Joe Golben and Martin Lewis are still in the staff,
and Tom Cofflinson around as an advisor. It's just, look,
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I don't know about the direction of this whole thing,
you know, And I think back to you know, like
one ap got the job in the first place, and
you know, it was on the advice of of a
of a leadership group of three players with Josh Jacobs,
Devanta Adams and Max Crosby. Well two of those three
are now gone. So you know, I think when you
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hire somebody like Antonio Pierce with such little experience, sort
of incumbent on you to let them grow and give
them time. But you know, like based on some of
the moving parts there, and you know how this all
came to be in the first place. And now you've
got Tom Brady in there as a minority owner. I'm
I'm not, I'm not, I'm not. I'm not counting any chickens,
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you know when it comes to where the Raiders are
or where they'll be coming out of the season.
Speaker 3 (47:00):
All right, Well, I brought up Nick Sirianni earlier in
terms of because we we we did a you know,
kind of a segment talking about the list of guys
that coaches that were on the hot seat AB and yeah,
Nick Sirianni is on that list of guys that is
on the hot seat and not just I'm curious if
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this team does not play up to maybe what the
expectation that's been kind of established when he first got there.
Speaker 2 (47:33):
I mean, are we how are we viewing you.
Speaker 3 (47:36):
Know, this season with Philly if it's say, say they
end up, you know, not the divisional champs, say they
make it to the playoffs but don't make it to
the super Bowl. How how are how is this being viewed?
And it does it fall at the feet of Sirianni.
Speaker 5 (47:51):
Yeah, Well, they're I mean, I mean right now they're
six and two. So look, I think that for the
short term that that conversation is the tabled. Obviously, it
was a very hot conversation. You know, previously, I'd say
right now, Syriani sort of coached his way out of it.
But like again, like they're hitting a really difficult stretch
(48:13):
in their schedule. Now, now maybe the Cowboy game isn't
this hard or isn't as tough as as as it
looked like it would be a month ago. But then
you get the Commanders in a short week, you got
to go to Los Angeles to play the Rams, and
then you play at the Ravens the week after Thanksgiving.
So I would say, you know, a month from now,
we'll have a you know, a more complete picture of
(48:35):
where the Eagles are. That said, I think that you know,
like some of the pieces of transition they've had have
started to come together. You know, two new coordinators that
that that really were kind of like from outside Tyriani's realm.
That was a big transition, like incorporating what they do
into into what what what what the team's been doing.
(48:56):
And so you know, bringing Vic Tangeo and Kellen Moore aboard.
It seems like that's starting to come together now. And
then there's the leadership transmission to transition in the locker
room too. I mean, losing Jason Kelcey on offense and
then and then Fletcher Cox on defense is a big deal.
And you know, I know, you know, when they when
they had their five they they had kind of these
(49:19):
like accountability the quote unquote like accountability and reflection meetings,
so they they wanted to kind of like look in
the mirror and say, you know, okay, like like where
has all this gone wrong? And I think that did
them a lot of good too. So I think they're
in a decent spot now, but the next month will
tell tell the real story of where they are. They've
feasted on some shaky competition. You know, I think the
(49:41):
only good team in that four game winning streat the
only team to look at it that was a good
win with the Bengals. Other than that they beat the Browns,
the Giants, and the Jaguars. So we should know more
about a month from now on.
Speaker 2 (49:51):
Where they really are. Albert Brier joining us here on
Fox Sports Radio, Amazon NFL on Prime Thursday Night Insider
Senior NFL reporter at the m m Q as well too.
I wanted to ask you just on the positive side
of things in the NFC East as well too, the
Washington Commanders. It seems like it wasn't that long ago
that Ben Johnson quote unquote said there were too many
basketball people kind of running the show there. Now they're
(50:15):
apparently the place to be in the NFL. Who deserves
a credit.
Speaker 5 (50:20):
I mean the owner for you know, kind of being
able to flip it and get good people in charge.
And then you know, I actually think, you know, like
the guys they got to go in and get Adam
Peters and to go in and get Dan Quinn and
to project that those two would work really well together,
(50:43):
which you know, they had a lot of like common
people like Kyle Shanahan is the big one. You know. Obviously,
Kyle was de Q's you know, as his offensive coordinator
in Atlanta the first couple of years there, and then
and then and then you know, and then Ap and
and and and and and and Kyle were together in
San Francisco, So there's some commonality there with them. But
(51:08):
I think, you know, being able to project that those
two would work so well together that's the credit to
the people on top two and so yeah, I think
a lot of people deserve a lot of credit. But
I think I think a huge part of it is
just changing the energy in the building and then going
and finding players that fit what they want to do.
And you know, it's not guys that are these superstars,
(51:29):
but to go and find a Franky Louvu and go
and find a Durance Armstrong and you know, to to
to to go and get an Austin Eckler and and
find guys that really fit what they want to do
and what they want to be. Youh of course we're
all gonna talking about the quarterback, and there's no question
Jaydon Daniel's been outstanding, incredible for a rookie. But you know,
(51:49):
I think that the energy changing in the building and
just getting everybody in the same page and pointing in
the same direction and bringing in people that fit, and
there's a huge part of why they are where they are.
Speaker 4 (52:00):
Hey, Albert, I got one. That's a subject we talked
a little bit about yesterday. I'm probably I guess more
concerned than maybe others about it, but I feel like
there's a lack of parody in the NFL right now,
and you can just go and look at it as
far as the odds and the teams that are certainly
slated to go to the playoffs. You got twelve teams
that all have about a seventy seven or eighty percent
chance of making the playoffs at this point. And then
(52:21):
you've got what nine teams I think we said yesterday
with two losses or two wins. You've got eleven teams
that it looks like have like a ten percent chance
or less. And so you've got this league where it's
like there's almost like it's either you are in the
playoff hunt or you're completely out of it, with the
exception of about nine teams who are biding for two
playoff spots, one on each side of the conference.
Speaker 6 (52:44):
I mean, is the NFL aware of this? Do you
notice this kind of stuff and hear people talking about
this on the outside.
Speaker 5 (52:48):
I mean, you know, I have a lot of thoughts
on this, Brady, But you know, I think one thing
that's sort of interesting, like, would anybody be surprised if
after all of this we wound up with the same
four teams at the end that we had last year,
like Detroit, Kansas City, San Francisco and Baltimore. I know
San Francisco's has been great, but if they get McCaffrey
back healthy, I don't think anybody surprised if they made
(53:10):
it back there, you know, And then you look beyond that,
like Philly's in the mix again, Buffalo's in the mix again,
Pittsburgh's and the mix again, the same teams, you know,
I think I think a huge part of this is
just the amount of turnover with some of these franchises
and coaching and quarterbacks, and you know, eventually, I think
over time, it's not even that you're not good, it's
(53:33):
like that you now you have no identity of who
you are, like organizationally, if you're turning over coaches every
two years, if you're turning over quarterbacks every three if
you're changing systems left and right, and you know, there's
some bigger picture stuff with that too, like you know,
like with the amount of money these teams are making,
like there's not as much of a deterrent to firing
(53:54):
coaches are getting rid of players anymore because they can
absorb the financial hit, you know. I mean Matt Ruhle
is a great example, right, Like they gave him like
a seven year contract, which was unprecedent. David Tepper fires him,
walks away with like four years left on that deal,
and then fires Frank right after one year. So like
I mean, like legitimately, I think it's like that those
(54:15):
two guys have like three years a piece left on
their contracts, you know, and neither of them are there anymore.
So there are a lot of factors, but I think
the number one factor is like just the destabilization of
mediocre and bad teams, and that those teams are kind
of you know, it's it's not just that they're having
a bad year, it's that they've become bad. It's just
(54:38):
they're bad places now, you know. And I think that
allows the teams that are really stable, like your Kansas City's.
And it's hard to imagine, like five years ago that
we'd be calling Detroit one of those that they are now.
Like it really almost I almost feel like it widens
the gap between the teams that really know what they're
doing and the ones that don't. You know. It's it's
(54:58):
an interesting dynamic, and I I think it's a good thing.
It's a perceptive of you to pick that up because
it's something I I've certainly noticed too.
Speaker 2 (55:06):
Get him on X at Albert Breer. He is Amazon
NFL on primes Insider for Thursday Night Football coming up
later on tonight between the Bengals and the Ravens. Senior
NFL reporter at the MMQB and our buddy every single
Thursday here on the show. AB appreciate it as always.
Enjoy tonight.
Speaker 5 (55:23):
All right, thanks guys, have a good one.
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