November 11, 2024 • 55 mins
Today on 2 Pros and a Cup of Joe, the NFL suffers a tough week. Utah AD Mark Mark Harlan complains about officiating. Shedeur Sanders looks like the clear number 1 pick in next year’s draft. The Jets beat out the Cowboys for the most disappointing team in the NFL and much more!
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Speaker 1 (00:02):
Is the best of two pros and a couple Joe
with Lamar Airings and Rady Win and Jonas Knox on
Box four Radio.
Speaker 2 (00:14):
So how the hell are we?
Speaker 3 (00:15):
Yeah, man, there's some rough highball.
Speaker 4 (00:20):
Hell yeah, go ahead and say it again, Jones, just
so everyone can hear exactly how you feel.
Speaker 2 (00:27):
Man, there's some bad football teams in the NFL.
Speaker 4 (00:30):
Toy, I thought yesterday was the worst day to all season.
I know, we had some tight games, right San Francisco,
Tampa Bay was great, Kansas City to be able to
find a way getting a block field goal at the end.
But so there were some tight games. But for the
most part, man, like if you went through there at
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one o'clock four o'clock, almost half the games were blowouts.
And even in some of the games that weren't, I mean,
just like the Viking Jags. Oh god, it was bad.
It was, I mean it was I would say this
this was that was the worst weekend of NFL football
that I've seen in a long time.
Speaker 3 (01:13):
Yeah, And I thought the early slate of games on
Saturday in college football, I know we're going to get
into that. You know, most of them were blowouts. Miami
got upset but it was like, all right, blowout, blowout, blowout,
and then it got better and better throughout the course
of the day byu Utah was fantastic. And then you
get to Sunday and it's like, all right, well, at
least we get an early kick. Yeah, but it's Giants Panthers,
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Like who I mean, it just got worse and worse
and worse. And I mean you can go through game
by game, but my takeaway from it was I come
away and it's no longer a well you know, there's
no preseason. It's early in the year. No, man, we're
coming up on Thanksgiving. It's Week ten. They're just bad teams. Like,
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there's a lot of bad foot ball teams in the NFL,
and it was on full display yesterday.
Speaker 2 (02:03):
Dang, did y'all say the Jets?
Speaker 4 (02:06):
Yeah thought saying that was that was one of the
blowouts that.
Speaker 5 (02:09):
I heard the Jets. Yeah, e t that's just just brutal, man. Listen,
whatever you want to focus in on or blame it on,
or think about it it. I mean, I don't disagree
with what you guys are saying. I just would say,
get used to whatever this new norm is. Like, I mean,
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just get used to whatever this new norm would be,
because I ultimately think that the idea of what the
approach is in terms of what makes this product a
more a more digestible product, is ultimately what's most important
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to to the people who are making the decison. And
I think it has impacted how the games are being played.
It's impacting how competitive the games could possibly be. I mean,
I'm watching I'm watching some of these games like the
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one play with with Nick Bosa, and and and and
Baker Mayfield, Like, I just think the physicality of the
game is changing. I think when you talk about when
the physicality of the game changes and it becomes a
little bit more pronounced as as finesse, you're not going
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to see a level of of play.
Speaker 2 (03:46):
Arm.
Speaker 5 (03:47):
Yeah, I mean, I mean it's one of the greatest
stiff arms I've ever seen. I don't look at it
that way.
Speaker 3 (03:51):
I don't look at it that way, but I don't
look at it Derrick Henry step aside.
Speaker 4 (03:57):
Right, Here's here's the general point is like even in
a last night saut of Sunday, a football's game, you know,
a field goal to win, and I get all that
got through five interceptions like you can comb through most
these games and it was very rare. Both quarterbacks played well,
and I think it can be summed up in a
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number of ways. We need to get back to run
the damn football. I'll just flat out safe.
Speaker 2 (04:24):
That's where I was hitting.
Speaker 4 (04:26):
To get good there, because I can't wait to vent
about this stuff because it's frustrating and I think we
watch a lot of these offenses and it's it's been
a trickle up effect in the sense of a lot
of coordinators who want to get head coaching jobs. You know,
how they get those head coaching jobs. Oftentimes it's slinging
the football around the field, developing a quarterback, making the
quarterback look good. That that's how they get a job
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as a head coach, or those interviews. It's very seldom
you see a team that, hey, they're the number one
rushing team in the NFL, you know, winning a lot
of low score games because they're you know, probably not
creating quite as many explosives. But it's not very often
that you see guys who are you know, I guess
proclaimed to be one of the best. Kyle Shanahan's one
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of the guys that stands out because of his ability
no matter what, to run the football what he's able
to do. But even if you go back to probably
his greatest downfall, that was being up twenty eight three
in a Super Bowl and he wasn't running the damn
ball enough. I mean, it doesn't matter where you look.
There's a lack of quarterback development. There's issues on the
old line. You got play callers who are hesitant to
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want to run the damn ball and establish the running game.
This has been so difficult to watch. And the thing is,
I hate the fact that it's a Monday morning and
I know a lot of people wake up and they
don't want to hear this. You know, they want to
hear you know, moaning and complaining all that. I can't help,
but I've tried to stay optimistic about it. The last
two weeks in the NFL stunk. And I said earlier
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in the year and I couldn't figure out what exactly
it was because I was bothered by the fact that
college football seems so much more exciting. It was so
much more fun. You have the number one teams getting
knocked off week after week after week, and then we
get to Sundays and you're like, like it's just there's
this dramatic drop off and it's tough to watch.
Speaker 5 (06:09):
Man, it is tough to watch. Well, I'll say this,
you know what I found to be interesting. And I
don't know if this is down the line of what
you guys are saying or if it's not. I went
to I went to a game this summer Sunday. I
went to the Commander's game, and I had an interesting epiphany.
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We're looking at trying to expand the borders. Like we've
been having conversations about the Super Bowl and it going
abroad and how that looks. And you know the Giants,
Giants playing the Carolina Panthers and Munich and just them
trying to expand their borders. You know, European people are
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traveling and making it destinational travel to come to America
to see games.
Speaker 4 (07:04):
After this year, yeah, some of them permanently. I mean,
you joke, but I didn't better get in when they can.
I didn't even I didn't. I never looked at it.
It changed, Yeah, you know it changed. You better have
that paperwork to climb over wall.
Speaker 5 (07:26):
I don't know the people coming from over to pond
or are dealing with that is it's more Jonases people,
you know.
Speaker 2 (07:32):
But anyway, my.
Speaker 3 (07:34):
People, they were throwing stuff at Brady this weekend.
Speaker 4 (07:39):
Oh, we're going to get into that.
Speaker 2 (07:40):
Oh. I can't wait to hear about it.
Speaker 4 (07:41):
That was cool for about ten seconds.
Speaker 3 (07:44):
I don't know, well, welcome to Welcome to my Christmas Eve.
Speaker 5 (07:47):
But anyway, I thought that was pretty interesting that people
are traveling from abroad, so they're not just trying to
build or it's not just a building of an expansion
of the fan base that's going to watch these games
there and get teams there or put the super Bowl there.
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They are going over there and they're exposing these these
foreign countries to the sport of American football, and they
are actually coming over here and watching the games. And
I never looked at it in the reverse perspective of it,
and I thought that was interesting. And and to me,
if I'm being honest, this product that we're talking about,
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how how trained an eye do you have to have
to understand what it is that you're just explaining you?
Speaker 2 (08:43):
How is it?
Speaker 5 (08:43):
How how much of a trained eye from a from
a casual fan does it have to be to understand
what what's being said right now?
Speaker 4 (08:53):
It's funny you asked the question because I was thinking
about this, and I actually think it's easier for a
novice to see it's pad football then probably someone who's
maybe even watched more regularly. And the only reason I
said that is because it's gonna be fairly easy to
like to look for excitement or look for big plays,
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and when you don't see it and you don't see
like like, you're almost gonna your first impression is gonna
be like this is doesn't sound like it's fun, and
it seems bad, like it's not entertaining, there's low scoring,
there's not a lot of things happening, like I actually
think for a novice that if they haven't been introduced
to it, unless you're coming from maybe the world of
soccer or football as they'd call it over there, I
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almost feel like it would it would be easier for
them to not like it than to actually like it.
When it's bad football, even not knowing anything right, not
knowing anything schematically about it, I think it would be
hard to get excited. They probably are likely the tail
getting is awesome people are getting after drinking. They're all
excited about it, but then again, you have to experience
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going over to like a European football game or English
you know, football game, and watch how they prepare for
those matches, and watch how they prepare for those games.
The closest thing in America you can compare to him
is college football. Yeah, it's really not even comparable to say,
in the NFL, because of the atmosphere around the games themselves. Like, yeah,
there's tailgating, there's some of that, but it's just there's
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not as much history, there's not as much tradition, there's
not as much other things that go on around the
sport itself. And so if that's the people you're talking about,
when they come over, I think they'll be really disappointed
to see it.
Speaker 5 (10:34):
I fall on the other side of it, actually, I
think that they like you hear people chairing and stuff
like that, and it's like, oh, we're chearing, we're charing,
we're sharing. Like I feel like it's kind of just
a mob mentality. People like being around one another and
they're competing. And I think that competing aspect of it
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is enough. I think the spectacle of it is enough.
Speaker 3 (11:02):
It feels like I think there's alcohol I think well
does help. I also think there's a lot of people
that watch the NFL and their primary focus is my
fantasy football team and my gambling. And it's just different
eyes that are viewing the sport. But that's the evolution
of it all.
Speaker 2 (11:20):
It's more of now than it's ever been. I get it.
Speaker 3 (11:24):
But like at a certain point you got to put
your bill fold away and just open your eyes and realize,
oh god, this is brutal. And we've had you know,
look and what what's weird about it is and we've
talked about it. The skill level of the athletes playing
today is unbelievable, but it does. But it does almost
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feel like it's so yeah, they're trying It's almost like
they're trying to do too much. Like there's just too
many gadget plays, too many this and that too, like
too many players in motion and all that stuff. And
it's like you just look around the top rushing teams
in the NFL, the old school quote unquote teams in
the NFL, and it's all the teams that are playoff
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contenders right now or teams that are going to go
to the postseason. Yet you've just got this approach that
it's like, all right, we're just gonna throw this out
here we're gonna and teams get bogged down. There's just
you know, and then you add on top of that
the physicality. It just that was rough yesterday. That's the
one where I kind of took a step back and went, man,
I don't know, like what game was really good, Like
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Tampa Bay and San Francisco was good, but there was
this washing. There was three miskicks, like, there's turnovers, there's
bad special teams like it just every game.
Speaker 2 (12:41):
It just it was rough to watch yesterday.
Speaker 5 (12:42):
I don't know, man, I think y'all are over selling that.
I think that we're not.
Speaker 4 (12:47):
Man, we watched it all, Buddy, I know you're out one.
We were watching them all and even the Broncos Chiefs,
like it wasn't really like the Chiefs turned it on
when they needed to. I thought bow Knicks played extremely
well for a rookie on that stage and obviously did
enough to give them a chance at the end. But
it's just again, I'm not trying to poop pool on it.
But we've been talking about this now for two weeks
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and it's become readily apparent there is a huge disparage
between the teams that are going to the postseason, the
teams that have a quarterback, the teams that don't, the
teams that are well coached, the teams that aren't.
Speaker 2 (13:20):
It's just a reality situation.
Speaker 5 (13:21):
Are well coached struggled to win those games yesterday and
I watched them. I mean I was at a game,
but I did watch them. I don't think that's an
insinuation of you. Guys saw and I did, and I
think that it just comes down to, well, it's the reality.
I think personal opinions. That's what I think. If you're
if you're okay. But we're not trying to get an argument.
Speaker 4 (13:41):
This is just factual. If you're at home, you're able
to watch every single game if you want. It's hard
when you're at a game to watch every single other game.
It's not an indictment on you, dude. You have to
get that.
Speaker 2 (13:52):
I'm not. I'm not.
Speaker 5 (13:53):
I'm just saying you threw it out there as if
I didn't see any other of the other games I've watched,
what was going on to watch them the same exact
way I stay on my phone with how I watched games.
But the idea of it is, I still think it's
more personally, you know.
Speaker 4 (14:10):
You thought the Vikings and JAG's game was that entertaining.
Speaker 2 (14:13):
It's not.
Speaker 5 (14:13):
See, I don't. I don't know that I watched games
for entertainment. Okay, you thought it was good football. You
thought it was good football. I thought that the games
were close, so whether they were playing bad football or
good football, I thought that the games were competitive. I
didn't know which teams were going to come out on
top of some of the games that that I was
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spectating on that that I was going through and watching,
I didn't know.
Speaker 2 (14:38):
Who was going to win. So if I watch that
much of it, we'll let.
Speaker 4 (14:41):
You trumpet for the NFL.
Speaker 2 (14:43):
I'm not doing that.
Speaker 4 (14:45):
I'm not Minnesota when you gave over four hundred yards
but come up with twelve points because you can't figure
out with converting in the red zone and Donald throws
three picks, like, yeah, that's bad football. I mean, talk
about Jacksonville who didn't even didn't even throw for over
one hundred yards.
Speaker 2 (15:01):
There was multiple games where that was the case yesterday.
Speaker 4 (15:04):
Think about that.
Speaker 2 (15:04):
I agree, throw over one hundred yards.
Speaker 5 (15:07):
I am not disagreeing with you, Bud, and I'm just
telling you I understand where you guys are coming from
I really do. I can understand the frustration. I'm still
just saying to some people they may be seeing these as, wow,
we had a competitive weekend of football, you know.
Speaker 3 (15:23):
Like here's the other thing. Was weather bad or impactful
in any of these games?
Speaker 2 (15:28):
No?
Speaker 3 (15:29):
No, Like it feels like it's been like cooperating and
we're approaching mid to late November, so you can't even.
Speaker 2 (15:35):
Weather across from what I could gather.
Speaker 3 (15:38):
That's just so puzzling, Like like you would think, like, Okay,
if these if that, if that was the case, if
Minnesota Jacksonville was the case, but it was like, uh,
you know, rain and just you could barely see and
visibil No, Like it's just.
Speaker 5 (15:54):
Are you able to be as bullish on a team
like Minnesota who has shown on that Noah, oh god,
there you go.
Speaker 2 (16:02):
All right.
Speaker 5 (16:03):
I was just curious because that was for me, That's
what I was coming away with from yesterday and watching
these games was like, what, like Kansas City like could
have lost the difficult Kevin O'Connell, Like it was a
low scoring game, they could have lost. Like I'm looking
at certain games and I'm like, what they could have
lost this game? The New Orleans Saints win against the Falcons, Like,
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what the f is going on now? If I'm seeing
it from the blowout perspectives, like, oh god, like the
Eagles just thumped the Cowboys. Like I get that. I
get that you're supposed to have a better game in
those scenarios. But with Dak Prescott out, I can understand why.
Speaker 4 (16:46):
The Jets then that wasn't competitive at any.
Speaker 5 (16:49):
Point, at any point, at any point. What about the Bears,
I don't know, Jesus, I think that their true color,
Like you want to Jones, I put it on. Hell, Mary,
I'm putting it on. I don't know that they were
ever a good team. They haven't proven to us that
they've ever been a good team. So I don't feel
like we should be disappointed when the Beers don't deliver,
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because they've never proven that there team that delivers.
Speaker 3 (17:12):
You know what the highlight of the Jags Vikings game
was that it was over well Trayvon Walker throwing haymakers
and then being stunned at the end of the game afterwards,
and they're like, hey, that was a personal foul penalty.
Speaker 2 (17:23):
Yeah, I don't know why.
Speaker 3 (17:25):
I don't know, dude, what do you how about you
ground and pounding a guy that's already on the ground
with the football trying to get it out and people
are looking around, going what are you doing? Kevin o'calls
what was that? But we'll take the win and the
game is iced on a personal foul penalty.
Speaker 4 (17:41):
It just one of my favorites was the pick that
uh rustle through and Piggins didn't even attempt to go
for the ball. He just freaking started getting in a
fight with one of the d I was like, oh, okay,
I mean, there was kind of a cheap shot first
he initiated, but he literally just turned around and got
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on top of.
Speaker 6 (18:05):
It.
Speaker 4 (18:05):
Feels great.
Speaker 5 (18:06):
Satan Daniels is the real deal. He made some throws yesterday.
I was like, God, like, I don't know that I've
seen a quarterback since I've been watching Washington that can
play like that. I haven't seen a quarterback that can
make the throws that I saw him making since I've
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been paying attention to the to the commanders.
Speaker 2 (18:33):
But now the commanders you slip up.
Speaker 5 (18:36):
And say, no, I said it all day yesterday. Hell yeah,
that's because that's what I am. That's what I played as.
Speaker 4 (18:44):
I'm gonna say this before Jonas tries to transition us
off into wherever we're going next in the show. Break
salutes all the veterans out there, Man Veterans Day, and
thank you for all those serve the streatfore everyone out
there for your sacrifice. You know everyone thinks that, you know,
sometimes it's always about the ultimate sacrifice. A lot of
people go out there and serve, they come back, their
lives are drastically changed. So thank you from our show,
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from me from everyone out there.
Speaker 2 (19:10):
Well your service well said Chopper and Big Mic. Yeah.
Speaker 5 (19:13):
Specifically, I saw dude a wounded warrior yesterday. He looked
like RoboCop bro, like one of the most phenomenally physically
built dudes. His whole right side like all prosthetics, leg arm.
Speaker 2 (19:34):
Every dude was as bad ass as you'll ever see. Bro.
Speaker 5 (19:39):
This is what it's all about. A lot of people
ask why was I back. Oh, he only came back
because they're playing the Steelers. I have not been back
to that field in over a decade. It's been like
twelve thirteen years. That was the main reason, outside of
being able to see the fans and and just the
conversations that had ensuing to me going to a game,
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it was to be able to honor our military and
our vets and all that stuff.
Speaker 2 (20:04):
So I'm glad you brought it up.
Speaker 5 (20:05):
Glad you said it definitely relevant to you know, our
landscape and how it drives the game of football. So yeah,
absolutely shout out to all our vets and all our
people are servicing.
Speaker 2 (20:18):
Really truly, truly appreciate you.
Speaker 1 (20:20):
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Speaker 3 (20:34):
You know, apparently not the most ideal weekend for people
in the world of college football. Now, we could focus
on the teams that lost near the top, like Miami
or Georgia. You know, feels like maybe the Big twelve's
got some issues.
Speaker 2 (20:49):
We sold it, I'll tell you what I mean.
Speaker 4 (20:52):
Carson Beck has not played well the past two games,
and that's It's significant because coming into the season, Door
Sanders Carson Beck reviewed as the top two quarterbacks for
the next year's NFL draft, and I would say Shador
Sanders has solidified himself as the first quarterback that's gonna
be taken in next year's draft. Even as good as
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cam Ward has played, I think there will be some
concerns about his adaptability from what he's doing in college
to an NFL offense, and his size, stature, those sorts
of things. These are just things that I'm told talking
to NFL scouts who are at these games or some
guys who I know who are decision makers in the industry.
But you know, Beck's taken a lot of the blame
because interceptions always go on the quarterback. The reality is
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the offensive line play has been poor. I've said before,
all their pass catchers, their wide receivers, tight ends have
done an awful job at times getting hands on footballs
and catching it or just knocking it down to the
ground instead. They're almost making it easier on the defense
deflecting it back up. But Georgia is not the Georgia
we saw the previous three years, and that has become
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very apparent. But the bigger issue I think in college
football right now, at least in one conference, is the
Big twelve officiating. That's the biggest I guess frustration for
a lot of fans out there. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (22:09):
So Mark Harlan, who you know, is the ad for Utah.
He also had a little bit of an issue with
the officiating. Apparently, you know, there was a holding call
that continue to drive. I'm not going to say that
that led to BYU winning that game. Fantastic game, by
the way.
Speaker 4 (22:28):
By the way, that was the proper call. Anyone who
watched the play and you sell some of the different angles.
It was defensive holding. I know it's unfortunate because it
came up on fourth down. If you get that stop,
you get off the field, you win if you're a
Utah fan. But I mean, that wasn't the most egregious
call there was. There was more calls earlier in the
game that were egregious. If you're a Utah fan, you
would have frustrated about it, But that was not the
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worst call of the game. And by the way, you
still had an entire drive. You get a stop, you
you couldn't at that point agreed.
Speaker 3 (22:55):
So Mark Harland, the athletic director for Utah following the
game and had this to say, I've been in that.
Speaker 7 (23:03):
Flag director for twelve years.
Speaker 2 (23:07):
This game is absolutely stolen from us.
Speaker 4 (23:10):
We were excited about being the Big twelve. But tonight
I am not.
Speaker 7 (23:15):
We won this game. Someone else stole it from us.
Very disappointed. I will talk to the commissioner. This was
not fair to our team. I'm disgusted by the professionalism
of the officiating crew tonight.
Speaker 3 (23:32):
And that cost him forty thousand dollars. So he got
fined forty grand for those comments. Following following the.
Speaker 5 (23:39):
Game, I still don't understand that the premise of finding
somebody who's giving their honest opinion, I don't get it.
I mean, I get it, but I don't get it.
Speaker 2 (23:51):
Like, what does it matter? Like to me?
Speaker 5 (23:54):
It only furthers that it's a bad look if you're
getting fined for talking about it, whether College weather pro like, Oh,
I didn't like the way that this game was called,
or I felt like the difference in the game was
the way that the game was handled bat of referees, this,
that and the other.
Speaker 2 (24:10):
Why do you get fined.
Speaker 3 (24:12):
If he had said something along the lines of, you know,
the officials were on the take or they were Like
I can understand that, but I also agree. I don't
know that some of these fines are necessary, Like there's
nothing wrong with venting Following a game like.
Speaker 4 (24:26):
Well, look, I think there's frustration. You know, Kenyan Matalolo
was seen young at a ref. I'm pretty sure they
won this weekend. You know, there's a number there's a
number of head coaches that I think they're looking at
the NFL model and they say, at least there's just
one directive, one form of coaching these guys, teaching these
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guys how to go through the process of evaluating various plays.
And instead, in college you've got all these different conferences.
Who then are you know, kind of maybe communicating things
differently than everyone else, so you could get a drastic
change from the Big twelve the ACC to the Big.
Speaker 2 (25:06):
Ten to the SEC.
Speaker 4 (25:08):
That's a problem. There should be one centralized system for
officiating in the college football level, include the Group of
five as well. And I know that's a lot of games,
it's a lot of officials, but the reality is that's
part of the frustration. You're always going to get different
crews that see games differently. So you maybe they call
more defensive holding, maybe they call more holding on the
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offensive line, whatever the case is. That's never going to
be removed from the game of football. But the truth is,
you could at least make the procedures and how they
go about officiating these some games somewhat I guess institutionalized
amongst all of these conferences instead of having them all
have their own way of looking at the game and
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even their own replay process in some ways, whereas the
Big Tens is now more centralized and others that's not
the case. So I think that's part of the frustration.
But when you talk about gambling and everything else that's
on the line, and I think also there's some skepticism
out there that a conference like the Big Twelve, which
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that conference could legitimately get zero teams into the playoff.
This is how it happens, very very unlikely. But going
into this past weekend, they are eight teams that are
up for it, probably more realistically five. That number has
been cut down because you know, Texas Tech loss, so
they're behind Colorado, which if Colorado keeps winning, they'll be
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playing BYU. If b YU keeps punning, even if BYU
drops a game, they would still be able to make
it into the Big Twelve championship game. So they essentially
need you know, one of their Big Twelve champs to
have you know, probably two losses is the most they
can afford to have based on at least how they
ranked BYU, who was undefeated but still only as high
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as I think eight in the first playoff ranking. So
the problem becomes, whats if you have a three loss
Big Twelve champion and you've got a Boise State team
that's only got one loss, and then a team like Army,
for example, wins out goes undefeated, they would have to
knock off Notre Dame. But there is a scenario out
there where a Power four conference like the Big Twelve,
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depending on if they keep beating each other up cannibalizing
one another, where they could get left out altogether. Now
again very unlikely. A lot would have to happen, but
there's skepticism with some of the officiating and thinking that
some of the favorites are getting more favorited calls. Like
if you're a utsaw fan, you watched throughout the course
that game, you saw some calls they didn't go your way,
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and you're thinking, well, we're out of it, but the
BYU might be our best shot. If they're the Big Twelve,
they make it in. So people are cynical about that.
You look at Colorado, Texas Tech. The most egregious call
probably the entire weekend in the Big Twelve was a
rough en the passer call, which it wasn't due to timing.
The ball was, you know, just leaving the hand of
Shador Sanders. The hit wasn't low, wasn't too high. If anything,
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it would have been more lower. But I don't know
what else you asked the defender to do, and that's
sustained to drive that helped Colorado eventually go on to
win the game. So that's where I think people start
to be questioning what's happened to the officiating because these conferences
know there's money to be made for making sure they're
a part of the college football playoff, and so it
seems like the teams at the top, the teams that
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are still in the mix, tend to get the benefit
of the doubt more some of the teams that aren't.
Speaker 3 (28:30):
Uh, the fans that uh you know in Texas Tech.
I mean they handled it well, though, like as far
as do you think so, yeah, I thought.
Speaker 2 (28:37):
They handled it well.
Speaker 4 (28:38):
You know, you tell yourself appropriate. I get the whole
tortilla history about it. And if you guys aren't familiar.
I'll give you the quick history. An announcer basically said, there's,
you know, two things in Lubbock, Texas, you know, football
and a tortilla factory. And so obviously that the fans
didn't take kindly to that, and so they brought tortillas
to bring out and throw a kickoff or they'll throw
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off their touchdown tortillas on the field. That was cool
for all about ten minutes of our pregame show, and
then it got pretty annoying. I'll just I'll leave it
at that.
Speaker 3 (29:07):
Yeah, so it seemed like like people there was a
guy behind you guys on set who was just ripping
mini bottles of and I think, I don't what's the cinnamon?
Speaker 2 (29:23):
Is it?
Speaker 3 (29:23):
Fireball?
Speaker 4 (29:24):
Fireball?
Speaker 2 (29:24):
I think he was just ripping like.
Speaker 3 (29:26):
Mini bottles of fireball, like while you guys were and
I'm looking at going it's like nine in the morning,
and there's like people biting holes and tortillas and throwing
them like urban myers picking them up. You can tell
he has no idea what are we doing here?
Speaker 4 (29:43):
I hope it was entertaining for other people, because as
sure as hell wasn't entertaining for us. I mean, I
was just trying to get out a coherent sentence at time.
You know, our host, Rob Stone has to handle like
he's a WWE like, you know, announcer, and I'm like, dude,
we need to move on from the tortillas, all right,
like you like, no one's targeting Rob Stone with the tortillas.
Let's move on from this. Everyone else is like wearing
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it right now while we're trying to talk about college football.
So it was it was an experience I have actually
really enjoyed going to Lubbock. I love their Their coach,
Joey McGuire's a great coach, but when he has to
get on the microphone during the game to tell the
fans to stop throwing stuff on the field, you can't
help but look at what Texas did earlier this year
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and the fact that that was kind of allowed and
obviously they got a call reversed, and it's really had
this snowball effect where other fans of other students feel
like they're annoyed they're allowed to do that, and it's
not good for college football. I mean, you've you've got
guys getting all kinds of stuff thrown at him on
the sidelines, that's always gone on. I remember going to
Boston College. They were throwing batteries and like and pennies.
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I remember going like to Purdue because they're right up
on you. They'll be throwing stuff like that. People tell
you keep your helmet on. I know, talking to coach Prime,
he was telling us that on the show. But even
behind the scenes, they're like, yeah, we're not going to
be able to hang out much on the bench in
the sideline just because of all the stuff that goes on.
That's that's part of college football and the experience. But
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when it starts becoming detrimental to your team, I mean,
and a distraction from the game itself, that's when it
starts to become an issue. So look, I'm all for
these kids having fun getting hammered like Lee does on
a weekend or something, but you know, do it the
right way, like, don't allow yourself to interject into the
end of the game and hurt your team's chances of winning.
Speaker 3 (31:28):
You guys make tortillas fun from scratch. Yeah, no, it's great.
Speaker 4 (31:33):
I don't wanted to see another tortilla for like five
more years. Yeah, I'm okay with that. I'm okay with
that he's.
Speaker 5 (31:41):
The number one Shador Sanders the number one guy. You
guys are figuring where you guys hands down? Where's the
ranking the Heisman race?
Speaker 4 (31:52):
So that's an interesting question because a lot of people
have said, like, if he's gonna be the number quarterback taking,
why is he viewed high in the Heisman. I think
he's in like the top four. You know, if you
had to rank them, I would say there's a couple issues. One,
he's gonna split votes with Colorado fans because of Travis Hunter.
What Travis Hunter is doing is seldom seen, playing both
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ways and being the type of player he is. Now,
what's getting harder for Travis Hunter is no one throws
at him. You know, he had an unbelievable interception that
got called back to to a penalty. But outside of that,
it's hard then because everyone knows who he is, they
try to take him away. When he's playing offense and
on defense. No one's gonna throw him. I mean, if
I'm a quarterback, I never throwed him. So his stats
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aren't going to look like, you know, a guy who's
gonna win the Heisman, in part because he's so damn
good that he's the focal point of almost anyone trying
to stop them, or anyone if they're on offense, they're
not going to throw them, so they might split votes.
That makes it harder too. And then Ashton Gent has
been phenomenal for Boise and cam moll ord even in
their loss, still through three touchdown passes, like he's been
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incredible too. So that's the hard part is you've got
Ashton Jen, You've got cam Ward, You've got Travis Hunter.
And then it's like almost like Shador has been an
afterthought even though he shouldn't be. And if they win
the Big Twelve, and if they end up moving on
and winning it, statistically, he's gonna be up there. But
also just like the fact that like he's he's what
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they've done with this organization program since he's gotten there
is incredible, going from one loss a few years ago
now to being a potential Big Twelve.
Speaker 2 (33:24):
Champ super true.
Speaker 3 (33:26):
So the odds on DraftKings right now, Travis Hunter is
the favorite at a plus one thirty, and then it's
Ashton Gent, then Dylan Gabriel, then cam Ward.
Speaker 4 (33:36):
Yeah, Dylan Gabriel. Sorry, he's the other one that especially
considering their schedule Like, imagine Big Ten Championship, they have
a rematch for Ohio State and he balls out in that.
It'd be hard not to think too, he doesn't have
all the momentum as a quarterback leading the number one
team going into the Heisman, as being the guy that's
gonna win.
Speaker 5 (33:55):
Rourke is one to look at too, if they can
finish out, Like, I don't see it happening, but if
Indiana were to finish out, because if Indiana continues on
the trajectory they're on, isn't it Indiana and Oregon?
Speaker 4 (34:11):
And well they have to play Ohio State.
Speaker 2 (34:14):
So that's what I'm saying.
Speaker 5 (34:15):
So if they continue on the way they are, if
they if they went out, isn't it Oregon in Indiana
in the in the championship game?
Speaker 4 (34:23):
If they won out, yes, it would be. Yeah.
Speaker 5 (34:25):
So I mean, I mean, it doesn't seem likely that
they can do it, But let's just say they were
to do it. Does that is that enough for Rourke
to get it?
Speaker 4 (34:35):
Maybe? I mean, statistically speaking, he's right up there with
Dylan Gabriel. But again, it might come down to head
to head to that game, Like if Curtis work out
plays Doling Gabriel Indiana wins the Big Ten, they're going defeated. Yeah,
I mean, I think he'd have a great case at
this point, not knowing what gent does I mean genty is.
I mean, I don't know how much you've been able
to see him this.
Speaker 5 (34:55):
Year, but it seems like ESPN has gotten behind him
too with the hype train they should.
Speaker 4 (35:00):
He's averaging over one hundred and ninety yards per game
on the ground. That's not even like total yards that's
per game on the It's ridiculous. He's already at seventeen
hundred yards. He's gonna be through nine games. I mean
you add on a three more games what he's doing
right now, he's gonna be somewhere over two thousand yards
rushing alone, not even scrimmage yards, and then they may
very well win the Mountain West and be maybe even
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a four seed when it comes down to the playoffs.
Speaker 3 (35:23):
The other guy near the top is Jalen Milroe as well, too,
who's just destroying the rushing, the rushing record, rushing touchdown
record for quarterbacks at Alabama, just disintegrating. I think, what
do you have four against LSU? I think four?
Speaker 4 (35:36):
Yeah, I mean I'm not sure that's a record that
you know, people look at and go, oh, man, I mean,
of all the rushing quarterbacks at Alabama, he's having a
good year. No, he's having a great year. I just
it's gonna be hard for him to make up compared
to a guy like Cam Morden's second in the country.
Campboard's averaging thre hundred and fifty passing yards per game.
It's done thirty two touchdowns, so much fun to watch it,
just to compare him to Rourke works throwing twenty one.
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He missed some times. That's part of it. But I
mean it's just, again, statistically speaking, it's hard when you
start adding all these things up.
Speaker 1 (36:04):
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Speaker 3 (36:14):
So I was thinking about, like, who's it over for
in the NFL, and like we were talking about how
just there's you know, several bad teams in the league
that were on display yesterday, And I don't know if
you guys just want to start with the New York Footballman,
I don't know name the Bill.
Speaker 5 (36:31):
I don't know if you guys want to start with
will the New York Jets hit double digit victories?
Speaker 2 (36:38):
Do you all want to start with that? In terms
of how bad they are?
Speaker 4 (36:42):
That is out the window?
Speaker 2 (36:43):
All right, good, all right, so we can move on
from that.
Speaker 4 (36:46):
We can move on from that.
Speaker 2 (36:47):
Wonderful.
Speaker 4 (36:48):
I would say nine seems out of the question too.
Speaker 2 (36:51):
That seems like the ceiling. That's the ceiling.
Speaker 4 (36:54):
Ceiling. I would say eight might be the ceiling. Like
they're they got three wins, right, they're.
Speaker 2 (37:02):
Brutal man, I mean, weird wather through.
Speaker 4 (37:05):
Yes, it looked awful.
Speaker 3 (37:08):
How are they favored at Arizona? Like they were not
close at all in that game? And Rogers looks old
and beat up. Yeah he does. Like there's just no,
it just doesn't. It doesn't feel like the Rogers we've
seen before.
Speaker 4 (37:24):
It's not even close. He's three years removed from the
Rogers that I think everyone expected. But what's more concerning
is when there's miscommunication between him and Devanta Adams not
saying that DeVante is going to know everything at this point,
but he played with Aaron for years and you know
it's a similar verbiage and offense that they've played in
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the past together with and there's times where you see him,
you know, running up it looked like Rogers was was
giving him a signal saying, it's this because DeVante Adams,
the way he ran his route kind of ran and
and obviously impacted Garrett Wilson's route. And Rogers kind of
throws up his hands and he looks over. He's like,
it's this not you know whatever you were running, and
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you can see the frustrations on Devontae Adams, and it's
in those moments you go, but this is what Rogers wanted.
This is what Aaron run It wanted, and now it's
there and they still can't figure it out.
Speaker 2 (38:19):
Is what DeVante wanted?
Speaker 4 (38:21):
Yeah, it's what both wanted that James, but but the
reality is it's more from the Jets perspective where they
went all in on this and it couldn't have it
hasn't could have gone any worse. I mean, let's just
be real about it. You didn't get Rogers at all
last year because of injury. Now you get him this year.
And the guy who was the head coach that co
signed to it, he gone, They've already made a change
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in play caller that has not done anything other than
last week's when creates somewhat of a little spark. But
outside of that, I mean, it's like even when they're
they're starting to run the football a little bit more
or at least attempt too early in games, there's just
there's this team seems dead, like there's no energy or
enthusiasm at all in any phase on all three sides
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of the ball. And I guess that should probably fall
on Aaron Rodgers more than anyone else, that you're the leader.
They're gonna follow how you how you go. And I
think he's proud of himself on being more of this
kind of level, cool, calm, you know, always kind of
zen type. It's like, no, man, it's okay to show
emotion in football. Like you all think about Brave Heart,
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think about any of your favorite movies Gladiator. There's at
some point in a passion speech where it needs to
be made. And that's the hardest part ossly about being
a leader as a quarterback is you can't allow your
emotions to get the best of you and how you
think and your decision making. But you sure as hell,
you sure as hell can act emotional towards your teammates,
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because your alignemen are fighting their ass off every single
damn play. The defense is fighting their ass off every
single damn play, and so your job ma not require
you to operate with that sort of emotion, but they're
sure as hell does, and they need to see it
from you, because if they don't see it from you,
they're gonna think it's okay or they need to live
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in this zen world, and that's not what they're because
they were in a street fight for sixty five seventy
plays a damn game. And so that's to me, the
biggest thing missing. We can talk about the jets in
the organization, allos, crap, everything else. They have no energy,
They have no it doesn't look like they want to
be there. It looks like they're punching the clock at
a crappy job. And that's got to change. That has
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to start with Aaron first before anyone else.
Speaker 3 (40:35):
Well, let's hear from Aaron Rodgers. Always energetic, always passionate,
following the game.
Speaker 6 (40:41):
A lot of emotions this year, for sure. I thought,
you know, after a big win, nice long week, we're
gonna come out with a lot of energy and win
the game. And we just you know, we didn't come
out with the great energy on either side of the ball,
and offensively, you ain't not gonna be anybody scoring six points.
Speaker 3 (40:55):
They got throttled like they were totally outclassed, totally out physical,
got beat every step of the way.
Speaker 2 (41:02):
They got annihilated yesterday.
Speaker 3 (41:05):
So it's that's a round.
Speaker 5 (41:08):
Texans just lost again. Like I don't even know that
you can really it's a big win because they just
haven't been able to win. But I don't even consider
that to be a like at this point, I don't
know how much of a quality win that is. I
just think looking at I'm with you on this, like
I'm like, you can't keep saying, well, you know, you
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can't win the game by scoring six points, Like hey, bruh,
Like show a little bit of fire, show a little
bit of intensity. Those guys are going to feed off
of that. Guys will rally. You do have the type
of personnel on that that roster that if they did
rally and was like f it all, it's us against
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the world, Like it's just us, we all we got.
Speaker 3 (41:53):
His former coach tried to and he shoved him away.
Speaker 5 (41:56):
Dang, and then shoved him out. Yeah, they just shove
him away. Then he shoved him out the door. I
don't know, man, I just know we're going through the teams.
That's the number one team, far and away. If there
was a heisman for disappointing losing teams in the National
Football League, the heisman the player, the team of the Year,
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the MVP award Most Valuable trash team goes to the Jets.
And that's crazy because listen, I think Carolina stinks. They
gotta win, but they stink. The Jets are easily the
most disappointing team in the National Football League today, not yesterday.
(42:45):
Well yeah they were yesterday too, but today they are
the most disappointing team. More Southern Dallas. Dallas is up there.
Dallas is up there. I think Dallas is the most
intriguing team that's losing. That's a trash team. They're intriguing
because this was a air quotes all in year for Dallas,
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which I don't see how you could come to the
conclusion with the lack of moves that they made that
this was an all in year other than to say, hey, listen,
all in means you guys that are on this roster
y'all better win. That's coaching staff too, all in. Y'all
better win or we're blowing it up. Maybe that's what
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all in means to Jerry Jones for this season. I
think they're I think they are a disappointing team. But
I do not think that it's even close that they're
more disappointing than the New York Jets, because that Jets
defense is loaded. On offense, they're loaded. They got they
got a running back and Bree. They got receivers. They
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got more than one receivers. They have three receivers, two ones.
You got two ones and out a third. Like you
got a second receiver that that's like the third in Lazard.
Like you got guys, You got a decent offensive line.
I know you had injuries, but you drafted a guy
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you got you got. You have a roster that that
says you should be a dominant team. I mean, Cats
had them going to the super Bowl this year. Yeah,
go ahead, smile. I just Cats had them going to
the super Bowl this year. They were going to win
their division hands down.
Speaker 2 (44:31):
Barn Away.
Speaker 3 (44:32):
Now the Jets, I did, yeah, I did say they would.
I did say they would be a playoff team. Is
that what you said, that's what you said, accountability money.
I was there too, I'll admit that countability. I was
buying into the excitement, the hype, you know, Roger's two
point zero out of the darkness.
Speaker 2 (44:50):
I wasn't even attacking, y'all.
Speaker 5 (44:52):
A lot of people were saying that a lot of
people were on that train.
Speaker 2 (44:56):
Ye not. There there were some people saying that this
Jets team was hitting to this. Are you tacking us far?
Speaker 5 (45:01):
I'm not, Damn, I'm not an angry angry I'm not
an angry black man.
Speaker 2 (45:06):
I am not.
Speaker 4 (45:07):
You went irish for a second.
Speaker 5 (45:09):
I don't know what I did. I don't know what
it was. I think I think my body's tired. My
tongue got tired right there to kind of like had
a little little narcolepsi or something like that.
Speaker 2 (45:20):
You know.
Speaker 3 (45:20):
It's also the Jets have run out of go tos.
It's like, you know what.
Speaker 2 (45:25):
We're going to bring in, We're going to get really
this coach.
Speaker 3 (45:27):
We could use a new coach, all right, We're going
to win.
Speaker 2 (45:30):
What he comes out, We're going to win. Right now.
Speaker 3 (45:32):
We could use a new receiver.
Speaker 2 (45:34):
Receiver.
Speaker 3 (45:36):
Meanwhile, Mike Williams sketching the game winning touchdowns.
Speaker 2 (45:40):
He just got there.
Speaker 4 (45:42):
By the way, flying into the radar is Russell Wilson.
Mike Tomlin. The decision he made continues to pay offs. Right,
Russ looks great man.
Speaker 2 (45:53):
And they be the quality team in their house.
Speaker 4 (45:57):
And look, I think we've moved on from the Denver
Broncos common station and him and the Sean Payton break
up because they got Bownicks. Boenix is playing well for rookie.
It looks like that's gonna work out well for them
in the future. But give props where props are due.
Russell Wilson is playing some good football man, and that
team is going to be really tough to beat with
that defense.
Speaker 3 (46:16):
Yeah, I think Brady and I were pretty optimistic about
Russell Wilson kind of defended him, you know, I mean,
at least like you know good.
Speaker 2 (46:23):
I think, you.
Speaker 5 (46:25):
Know, I mean, if you we want to throw throw
things out there, like throwing things back, you zipping something
back my way.
Speaker 2 (46:31):
I did not. I didn't feel like he was a
Pittsburgh guy.
Speaker 4 (46:34):
I think he's showing you that he's leveled up.
Speaker 2 (46:37):
He is leveling up.
Speaker 4 (46:38):
He's not like a boy it's more like a man.
Now that he's playing, he's leveling up.
Speaker 3 (46:42):
I've got good authority that his sandwich is the hottest
seller at Primani's.
Speaker 2 (46:46):
I don't buy that, okay.
Speaker 4 (46:50):
I'm showing you how we roll.
Speaker 2 (46:53):
On to day.
Speaker 5 (46:54):
I even got the hoodie on the day the man.
Speaker 3 (46:59):
I mean, I'm also hearing that they might put they
might put Russell Wilson's picture up on the wall.
Speaker 5 (47:04):
They might start selling LeVar Allen drinks. I think so,
I don't know, yeah, but again, you know, like we
were supportive of Russell Wilson. We thought that were and
I wasn't. And good for him. I mean, he's looking
to be more confident. He's he's making those throws that
you guys, the tear drop, the the moon balls.
Speaker 2 (47:27):
He's throwing them up there.
Speaker 4 (47:29):
What did calls sound like when he was talking about Russell.
Speaker 3 (47:32):
I mean, like, I mean, it's those moon balls, Mike, Like,
nobody in the league has done it better than Russell Wilson.
I mean, he's always had that gift, and they just
need to find guys that are able to be on
the receiving end of it. And the addition of Mike
Williams has been. I mean, I gotta take golly. But
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that's that's why. And the drop hasn't been so frustrating
because that thing was wide open. Why are you running
that play so deep in your own territory.
Speaker 4 (48:04):
Well, it's a look. It's triggered by the fact that
you didn't have anyone over the gunner. And so once
that happens, you're saying, if we get this look, we're
gonna run this fake and it's wid all you have
to do is catch it.
Speaker 2 (48:19):
Yeah, he did it.
Speaker 4 (48:21):
I'm just saying, man, was that was party? That was
part of the bad football. It was a great call out.
I got execution.
Speaker 2 (48:27):
I agree.
Speaker 3 (48:27):
What was the crowd like for the community, it was
it was bro.
Speaker 5 (48:32):
You couldn't tell who was making a big play. You
could not tell who was making a big play.
Speaker 2 (48:39):
Bro, I don't know, Man, Them terrible towels was what.
Speaker 5 (48:44):
And I thought it was a brilliant idea what they
did for the military, you know, kind of the appreciation
day they gave out. They handed out military hats and
they handed out burgundy burgundy towels and told them to like,
wave your towels. So whoever came up with it, it's smart.
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Because you know, the Pittsburgh Steelers are black and what well,
some people say yellow, but some people say black and gold.
Speaker 2 (49:12):
Right.
Speaker 5 (49:14):
The Washington Commanders are burgundy and gold. Right, So they
figured you're gonna be up in here spinning them towels,
then we're gonna put some burgundy towels in our fans'
hands and it's gonna look like burgundy and gold. Only
problem was nobody was spending any burgundy towels. It was
just terrible towels. So and when the Steelers, like when
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Friar Move would make a play, they did his his
chant like move like when people made when when the
when the Steelers made plays, the stadium was going nuts.
Speaker 3 (49:49):
Now, as a guest of the commanders, who are you
rooting for?
Speaker 5 (49:52):
And you know, it's funny because again I got you know,
there are a lot of like I saw a couple
of the interviews that I did posted, they're like.
Speaker 2 (50:00):
Lvorley came back.
Speaker 5 (50:01):
So because the Steelers were playing, that's kind of shady
Da da da da is not. It was Military Appreciation Day,
man like chill out. Of course I was rooting for
the commanders. I wasn't rooting against the Steelers. Everybody who
said anything to me, who are you rooting for us?
I'm from Pittsburgh, I'm a child that's my childhood team.
What do you want me to say f the Steelers.
(50:21):
I'm not going to say that. Everybody knows as well
documented that's my that's my team from my childhood. That's
my team. I root for a couple of teams, and
two of them happened to be playing against each other
yesterday and I was in attendance. So it's cool, wasn't
I wasn't like. I wasn't like, oh, I'm so glad
Pittsburgh won the game. When I saw the game and
it you know what I mean is I was I
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was actually happy that I keep wanting to say it.
I was happy that the Commanders we were winning for
as long as they did. It looked like they were
about to pull it out. It just didn't didn't happen,
you know, it didn't happen that well.
Speaker 3 (50:56):
I mean, I was rooting for the Steelers because I wanted,
you know, Eddie Garcia to be in a good mood.
Speaker 5 (51:01):
So I mean, I will say this, I picked the
Steelers to win.
Speaker 2 (51:06):
I did do that. So they invite you back and
you picked the Steelers.
Speaker 5 (51:10):
Yeah, but I gotta do my job, man, I gotta
do my job, you know what I mean? And I
think I know for certain I overtook you this weekend.
Speaker 2 (51:18):
I know I overtook it. I was brutal. Absolutely.
Speaker 4 (51:21):
Oh no, I just remember I never filled out.
Speaker 2 (51:25):
Yeah you didn't.
Speaker 4 (51:26):
Gosh, dang, it's you know, it's it's my fault. It's
not least. He did send it, although he sent it
when I was I think he said on Friday at
some point, do you have what do.
Speaker 2 (51:39):
You have?
Speaker 5 (51:40):
We don't need to talk about this here. Do you
have Friday? Yeah, we don't have to go into detail
about it, but do you have to?
Speaker 4 (51:47):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (51:47):
You can't catch up because you missed too.
Speaker 4 (51:49):
I mean that's over ten the past two weeks.
Speaker 2 (51:51):
Now, you got, you got to.
Speaker 4 (51:55):
He sent it when I was doing something, so I
looked at it and I was like, I'll get back
to this a little bit.
Speaker 5 (52:00):
He can't focus. Can you? Can you do it?
Speaker 2 (52:03):
You got?
Speaker 4 (52:03):
What do you are you? Are you under the table again?
What are you doing late?
Speaker 2 (52:06):
I got it? What were the totals?
Speaker 3 (52:10):
Are you on the are you on the bevmo website?
Speaker 2 (52:14):
I'm tallying it up. Now here we go. Dang.
Speaker 5 (52:20):
I don't think this math is going to be good
at all. Right, I just know I crushed it this weekend.
I do know that we can go through it quick.
Speaker 4 (52:27):
So you guys didn't get the forty nine ers bucks.
You guys did get the Steelers. You must picked the Steelers.
You guys both got Philly. It's too oh, Jonas well,
neither of you guys won Lions Texans because Jonah said Detroit,
but you had the hook so that didn't work. And
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then LeVar, you had the Houston money line.
Speaker 2 (52:50):
Did I call use the money line? You did? Yeah?
The uh?
Speaker 4 (52:56):
Jonas won he won because he picked Carolina and you
had the Giant. So that was the difference in last week.
There you go, just got three, LeVar, you got two.
Speaker 2 (53:05):
I believe three.
Speaker 4 (53:07):
No, never mind got four? Is that right?
Speaker 2 (53:10):
Yeah?
Speaker 4 (53:11):
No, he didn't.
Speaker 2 (53:11):
Never mind.
Speaker 5 (53:12):
I thought I did pretty good. I didn't know money
lined the Texans.
Speaker 2 (53:17):
Thank. Yeah. I was brutal. I'll take it back. I
was brutal, man.
Speaker 3 (53:22):
I knew you got four, right, I mean yeah, but
I mean the one that really counts as Knox locks.
Speaker 2 (53:27):
And I was not good. I'm owing to going into tonight. Yeah,
it's a struggle.
Speaker 4 (53:32):
Really you got you went four and one and LeVar
went three and two.
Speaker 3 (53:36):
And what's tonight's game? Rams Dolphins? Who would I taken?
Speaker 4 (53:43):
Did we picked this one? He didn't pick this one.
It was just a Knox lock special. Which is it
going to?
Speaker 5 (53:49):
Yeah, that's not so he took a one game lead
on me. That's no good, bad week. I'm depressed now.
I was happy about that.
Speaker 3 (53:55):
Did the wagon have a bad week at the window too?
Speaker 2 (53:58):
He seemed like he was h frustrated.
Speaker 4 (54:01):
No, not at all. We were just thinking, like one
of the douchiest things you can do this is to
all people out there, not just you know our show. Yeah,
you guys, is when you do win a bet, immediately
send it to someone else, because if you're gonna, if
you're gonna set that press and like send all of
your bets. Like for example, Jonas sends over a teaser,
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got a gap, and Jake looks at me and goes,
so he won sixteen bucks and he's like excited about it.
I go, yeah, I guess, like there's six teas bad
ways to go if you want to win a little bit.
And he's like, and he goes, I follow him, he goes,
I don't think he's won a game in his Knox locks,
and go yeah, he's a terrible gambler. So we basically
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discussed how Jonas is that d bag that will only
text you when he wins all the time. Meanwhile, he's
taken out a second mortgage because he cannot win a
bet for his life.
Speaker 3 (54:53):
You want to know how bad I was this weekend.
I was sweating out that two team teaser, that too
teaser for the Chargers and the Titans, Like, I was
sweating that out because I couldn't win anything. And by
the way, for those of you that are touchdown, I
sweat like I had to go back and look, did
I have forty five or forty four? Like I had
to go back and look and check it. But for
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those of you that aren't familiar, the way teasers work
is you get a line and a point total and
you basically buy six points in either direction. A little confusing,
but it's really desperation time when you just need to
feel good about something. That's the move that you make.
Is the best of two pros and a couple Joe
with Lamar Airings and Rady Win and Jonas Knox on
Box four Radio.
Speaker 2 (00:14):
So how the hell are we?
Speaker 3 (00:15):
Yeah, man, there's some rough highball.
Speaker 4 (00:20):
Hell yeah, go ahead and say it again, Jones, just
so everyone can hear exactly how you feel.
Speaker 2 (00:27):
Man, there's some bad football teams in the NFL.
Speaker 4 (00:30):
Toy, I thought yesterday was the worst day to all season.
I know, we had some tight games, right San Francisco,
Tampa Bay was great, Kansas City to be able to
find a way getting a block field goal at the end.
But so there were some tight games. But for the
most part, man, like if you went through there at
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one o'clock four o'clock, almost half the games were blowouts.
And even in some of the games that weren't, I mean,
just like the Viking Jags. Oh god, it was bad.
It was, I mean it was I would say this
this was that was the worst weekend of NFL football
that I've seen in a long time.
Speaker 3 (01:13):
Yeah, And I thought the early slate of games on
Saturday in college football, I know we're going to get
into that. You know, most of them were blowouts. Miami
got upset but it was like, all right, blowout, blowout, blowout,
and then it got better and better throughout the course
of the day byu Utah was fantastic. And then you
get to Sunday and it's like, all right, well, at
least we get an early kick. Yeah, but it's Giants Panthers,
(01:35):
Like who I mean, it just got worse and worse
and worse. And I mean you can go through game
by game, but my takeaway from it was I come
away and it's no longer a well you know, there's
no preseason. It's early in the year. No, man, we're
coming up on Thanksgiving. It's Week ten. They're just bad teams. Like,
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there's a lot of bad foot ball teams in the NFL,
and it was on full display yesterday.
Speaker 2 (02:03):
Dang, did y'all say the Jets?
Speaker 4 (02:06):
Yeah thought saying that was that was one of the
blowouts that.
Speaker 5 (02:09):
I heard the Jets. Yeah, e t that's just just brutal, man. Listen,
whatever you want to focus in on or blame it on,
or think about it it. I mean, I don't disagree
with what you guys are saying. I just would say,
get used to whatever this new norm is. Like, I mean,
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just get used to whatever this new norm would be,
because I ultimately think that the idea of what the
approach is in terms of what makes this product a
more a more digestible product, is ultimately what's most important
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to to the people who are making the decison. And
I think it has impacted how the games are being played.
It's impacting how competitive the games could possibly be. I mean,
I'm watching I'm watching some of these games like the
(03:17):
one play with with Nick Bosa, and and and and
Baker Mayfield, Like, I just think the physicality of the
game is changing. I think when you talk about when
the physicality of the game changes and it becomes a
little bit more pronounced as as finesse, you're not going
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to see a level of of play.
Speaker 2 (03:46):
Arm.
Speaker 5 (03:47):
Yeah, I mean, I mean it's one of the greatest
stiff arms I've ever seen. I don't look at it
that way.
Speaker 3 (03:51):
I don't look at it that way, but I don't
look at it Derrick Henry step aside.
Speaker 4 (03:57):
Right, Here's here's the general point is like even in
a last night saut of Sunday, a football's game, you know,
a field goal to win, and I get all that
got through five interceptions like you can comb through most
these games and it was very rare. Both quarterbacks played well,
and I think it can be summed up in a
(04:18):
number of ways. We need to get back to run
the damn football. I'll just flat out safe.
Speaker 2 (04:24):
That's where I was hitting.
Speaker 4 (04:26):
To get good there, because I can't wait to vent
about this stuff because it's frustrating and I think we
watch a lot of these offenses and it's it's been
a trickle up effect in the sense of a lot
of coordinators who want to get head coaching jobs. You know,
how they get those head coaching jobs. Oftentimes it's slinging
the football around the field, developing a quarterback, making the
quarterback look good. That that's how they get a job
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as a head coach, or those interviews. It's very seldom
you see a team that, hey, they're the number one
rushing team in the NFL, you know, winning a lot
of low score games because they're you know, probably not
creating quite as many explosives. But it's not very often
that you see guys who are you know, I guess
proclaimed to be one of the best. Kyle Shanahan's one
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of the guys that stands out because of his ability
no matter what, to run the football what he's able
to do. But even if you go back to probably
his greatest downfall, that was being up twenty eight three
in a Super Bowl and he wasn't running the damn
ball enough. I mean, it doesn't matter where you look.
There's a lack of quarterback development. There's issues on the
old line. You got play callers who are hesitant to
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want to run the damn ball and establish the running game.
This has been so difficult to watch. And the thing is,
I hate the fact that it's a Monday morning and
I know a lot of people wake up and they
don't want to hear this. You know, they want to
hear you know, moaning and complaining all that. I can't help,
but I've tried to stay optimistic about it. The last
two weeks in the NFL stunk. And I said earlier
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in the year and I couldn't figure out what exactly
it was because I was bothered by the fact that
college football seems so much more exciting. It was so
much more fun. You have the number one teams getting
knocked off week after week after week, and then we
get to Sundays and you're like, like it's just there's
this dramatic drop off and it's tough to watch.
Speaker 5 (06:09):
Man, it is tough to watch. Well, I'll say this,
you know what I found to be interesting. And I
don't know if this is down the line of what
you guys are saying or if it's not. I went
to I went to a game this summer Sunday. I
went to the Commander's game, and I had an interesting epiphany.
(06:37):
We're looking at trying to expand the borders. Like we've
been having conversations about the Super Bowl and it going
abroad and how that looks. And you know the Giants,
Giants playing the Carolina Panthers and Munich and just them
trying to expand their borders. You know, European people are
(06:57):
traveling and making it destinational travel to come to America
to see games.
Speaker 4 (07:04):
After this year, yeah, some of them permanently. I mean,
you joke, but I didn't better get in when they can.
I didn't even I didn't. I never looked at it.
It changed, Yeah, you know it changed. You better have
that paperwork to climb over wall.
Speaker 5 (07:26):
I don't know the people coming from over to pond
or are dealing with that is it's more Jonases people,
you know.
Speaker 2 (07:32):
But anyway, my.
Speaker 3 (07:34):
People, they were throwing stuff at Brady this weekend.
Speaker 4 (07:39):
Oh, we're going to get into that.
Speaker 2 (07:40):
Oh. I can't wait to hear about it.
Speaker 4 (07:41):
That was cool for about ten seconds.
Speaker 3 (07:44):
I don't know, well, welcome to Welcome to my Christmas Eve.
Speaker 5 (07:47):
But anyway, I thought that was pretty interesting that people
are traveling from abroad, so they're not just trying to
build or it's not just a building of an expansion
of the fan base that's going to watch these games
there and get teams there or put the super Bowl there.
(08:11):
They are going over there and they're exposing these these
foreign countries to the sport of American football, and they
are actually coming over here and watching the games. And
I never looked at it in the reverse perspective of it,
and I thought that was interesting. And and to me,
if I'm being honest, this product that we're talking about,
(08:36):
how how trained an eye do you have to have
to understand what it is that you're just explaining you?
Speaker 2 (08:43):
How is it?
Speaker 5 (08:43):
How how much of a trained eye from a from
a casual fan does it have to be to understand
what what's being said right now?
Speaker 4 (08:53):
It's funny you asked the question because I was thinking
about this, and I actually think it's easier for a
novice to see it's pad football then probably someone who's
maybe even watched more regularly. And the only reason I
said that is because it's gonna be fairly easy to
like to look for excitement or look for big plays,
(09:15):
and when you don't see it and you don't see
like like, you're almost gonna your first impression is gonna
be like this is doesn't sound like it's fun, and
it seems bad, like it's not entertaining, there's low scoring,
there's not a lot of things happening, like I actually
think for a novice that if they haven't been introduced
to it, unless you're coming from maybe the world of
soccer or football as they'd call it over there, I
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almost feel like it would it would be easier for
them to not like it than to actually like it.
When it's bad football, even not knowing anything right, not
knowing anything schematically about it, I think it would be
hard to get excited. They probably are likely the tail
getting is awesome people are getting after drinking. They're all
excited about it, but then again, you have to experience
(10:00):
going over to like a European football game or English
you know, football game, and watch how they prepare for
those matches, and watch how they prepare for those games.
The closest thing in America you can compare to him
is college football. Yeah, it's really not even comparable to say,
in the NFL, because of the atmosphere around the games themselves. Like, yeah,
there's tailgating, there's some of that, but it's just there's
(10:22):
not as much history, there's not as much tradition, there's
not as much other things that go on around the
sport itself. And so if that's the people you're talking about,
when they come over, I think they'll be really disappointed
to see it.
Speaker 5 (10:34):
I fall on the other side of it, actually, I
think that they like you hear people chairing and stuff
like that, and it's like, oh, we're chearing, we're charing,
we're sharing. Like I feel like it's kind of just
a mob mentality. People like being around one another and
they're competing. And I think that competing aspect of it
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is enough. I think the spectacle of it is enough.
Speaker 3 (11:02):
It feels like I think there's alcohol I think well
does help. I also think there's a lot of people
that watch the NFL and their primary focus is my
fantasy football team and my gambling. And it's just different
eyes that are viewing the sport. But that's the evolution
of it all.
Speaker 2 (11:20):
It's more of now than it's ever been. I get it.
Speaker 3 (11:24):
But like at a certain point you got to put
your bill fold away and just open your eyes and realize,
oh god, this is brutal. And we've had you know,
look and what what's weird about it is and we've
talked about it. The skill level of the athletes playing
today is unbelievable, but it does. But it does almost
(11:45):
feel like it's so yeah, they're trying It's almost like
they're trying to do too much. Like there's just too
many gadget plays, too many this and that too, like
too many players in motion and all that stuff. And
it's like you just look around the top rushing teams
in the NFL, the old school quote unquote teams in
the NFL, and it's all the teams that are playoff
(12:07):
contenders right now or teams that are going to go
to the postseason. Yet you've just got this approach that
it's like, all right, we're just gonna throw this out
here we're gonna and teams get bogged down. There's just
you know, and then you add on top of that
the physicality. It just that was rough yesterday. That's the
one where I kind of took a step back and went, man,
I don't know, like what game was really good, Like
(12:29):
Tampa Bay and San Francisco was good, but there was
this washing. There was three miskicks, like, there's turnovers, there's
bad special teams like it just every game.
Speaker 2 (12:41):
It just it was rough to watch yesterday.
Speaker 5 (12:42):
I don't know, man, I think y'all are over selling that.
I think that we're not.
Speaker 4 (12:47):
Man, we watched it all, Buddy, I know you're out one.
We were watching them all and even the Broncos Chiefs,
like it wasn't really like the Chiefs turned it on
when they needed to. I thought bow Knicks played extremely
well for a rookie on that stage and obviously did
enough to give them a chance at the end. But
it's just again, I'm not trying to poop pool on it.
But we've been talking about this now for two weeks
(13:08):
and it's become readily apparent there is a huge disparage
between the teams that are going to the postseason, the
teams that have a quarterback, the teams that don't, the
teams that are well coached, the teams that aren't.
Speaker 2 (13:20):
It's just a reality situation.
Speaker 5 (13:21):
Are well coached struggled to win those games yesterday and
I watched them. I mean I was at a game,
but I did watch them. I don't think that's an
insinuation of you. Guys saw and I did, and I
think that it just comes down to, well, it's the reality.
I think personal opinions. That's what I think. If you're
if you're okay. But we're not trying to get an argument.
Speaker 4 (13:41):
This is just factual. If you're at home, you're able
to watch every single game if you want. It's hard
when you're at a game to watch every single other game.
It's not an indictment on you, dude. You have to
get that.
Speaker 2 (13:52):
I'm not. I'm not.
Speaker 5 (13:53):
I'm just saying you threw it out there as if
I didn't see any other of the other games I've watched,
what was going on to watch them the same exact
way I stay on my phone with how I watched games.
But the idea of it is, I still think it's
more personally, you know.
Speaker 4 (14:10):
You thought the Vikings and JAG's game was that entertaining.
Speaker 2 (14:13):
It's not.
Speaker 5 (14:13):
See, I don't. I don't know that I watched games
for entertainment. Okay, you thought it was good football. You
thought it was good football. I thought that the games
were close, so whether they were playing bad football or
good football, I thought that the games were competitive. I
didn't know which teams were going to come out on
top of some of the games that that I was
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spectating on that that I was going through and watching,
I didn't know.
Speaker 2 (14:38):
Who was going to win. So if I watch that
much of it, we'll let.
Speaker 4 (14:41):
You trumpet for the NFL.
Speaker 2 (14:43):
I'm not doing that.
Speaker 4 (14:45):
I'm not Minnesota when you gave over four hundred yards
but come up with twelve points because you can't figure
out with converting in the red zone and Donald throws
three picks, like, yeah, that's bad football. I mean, talk
about Jacksonville who didn't even didn't even throw for over
one hundred yards.
Speaker 2 (15:01):
There was multiple games where that was the case yesterday.
Speaker 4 (15:04):
Think about that.
Speaker 2 (15:04):
I agree, throw over one hundred yards.
Speaker 5 (15:07):
I am not disagreeing with you, Bud, and I'm just
telling you I understand where you guys are coming from
I really do. I can understand the frustration. I'm still
just saying to some people they may be seeing these as, wow,
we had a competitive weekend of football, you know.
Speaker 3 (15:23):
Like here's the other thing. Was weather bad or impactful
in any of these games?
Speaker 2 (15:28):
No?
Speaker 3 (15:29):
No, Like it feels like it's been like cooperating and
we're approaching mid to late November, so you can't even.
Speaker 2 (15:35):
Weather across from what I could gather.
Speaker 3 (15:38):
That's just so puzzling, Like like you would think, like, Okay,
if these if that, if that was the case, if
Minnesota Jacksonville was the case, but it was like, uh,
you know, rain and just you could barely see and
visibil No, Like it's just.
Speaker 5 (15:54):
Are you able to be as bullish on a team
like Minnesota who has shown on that Noah, oh god,
there you go.
Speaker 2 (16:02):
All right.
Speaker 5 (16:03):
I was just curious because that was for me, That's
what I was coming away with from yesterday and watching
these games was like, what, like Kansas City like could
have lost the difficult Kevin O'Connell, Like it was a
low scoring game, they could have lost. Like I'm looking
at certain games and I'm like, what they could have
lost this game? The New Orleans Saints win against the Falcons, Like,
(16:26):
what the f is going on now? If I'm seeing
it from the blowout perspectives, like, oh god, like the
Eagles just thumped the Cowboys. Like I get that. I
get that you're supposed to have a better game in
those scenarios. But with Dak Prescott out, I can understand why.
Speaker 4 (16:46):
The Jets then that wasn't competitive at any.
Speaker 5 (16:49):
Point, at any point, at any point. What about the Bears,
I don't know, Jesus, I think that their true color,
Like you want to Jones, I put it on. Hell, Mary,
I'm putting it on. I don't know that they were
ever a good team. They haven't proven to us that
they've ever been a good team. So I don't feel
like we should be disappointed when the Beers don't deliver,
(17:10):
because they've never proven that there team that delivers.
Speaker 3 (17:12):
You know what the highlight of the Jags Vikings game
was that it was over well Trayvon Walker throwing haymakers
and then being stunned at the end of the game afterwards,
and they're like, hey, that was a personal foul penalty.
Speaker 2 (17:23):
Yeah, I don't know why.
Speaker 3 (17:25):
I don't know, dude, what do you how about you
ground and pounding a guy that's already on the ground
with the football trying to get it out and people
are looking around, going what are you doing? Kevin o'calls
what was that? But we'll take the win and the
game is iced on a personal foul penalty.
Speaker 4 (17:41):
It just one of my favorites was the pick that
uh rustle through and Piggins didn't even attempt to go
for the ball. He just freaking started getting in a
fight with one of the d I was like, oh, okay,
I mean, there was kind of a cheap shot first
he initiated, but he literally just turned around and got
(18:03):
on top of.
Speaker 6 (18:05):
It.
Speaker 4 (18:05):
Feels great.
Speaker 5 (18:06):
Satan Daniels is the real deal. He made some throws yesterday.
I was like, God, like, I don't know that I've
seen a quarterback since I've been watching Washington that can
play like that. I haven't seen a quarterback that can
make the throws that I saw him making since I've
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been paying attention to the to the commanders.
Speaker 2 (18:33):
But now the commanders you slip up.
Speaker 5 (18:36):
And say, no, I said it all day yesterday. Hell yeah,
that's because that's what I am. That's what I played as.
Speaker 4 (18:44):
I'm gonna say this before Jonas tries to transition us
off into wherever we're going next in the show. Break
salutes all the veterans out there, Man Veterans Day, and
thank you for all those serve the streatfore everyone out
there for your sacrifice. You know everyone thinks that, you know,
sometimes it's always about the ultimate sacrifice. A lot of
people go out there and serve, they come back, their
lives are drastically changed. So thank you from our show,
(19:08):
from me from everyone out there.
Speaker 2 (19:10):
Well your service well said Chopper and Big Mic. Yeah.
Speaker 5 (19:13):
Specifically, I saw dude a wounded warrior yesterday. He looked
like RoboCop bro, like one of the most phenomenally physically
built dudes. His whole right side like all prosthetics, leg arm.
Speaker 2 (19:34):
Every dude was as bad ass as you'll ever see. Bro.
Speaker 5 (19:39):
This is what it's all about. A lot of people
ask why was I back. Oh, he only came back
because they're playing the Steelers. I have not been back
to that field in over a decade. It's been like
twelve thirteen years. That was the main reason, outside of
being able to see the fans and and just the
conversations that had ensuing to me going to a game,
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it was to be able to honor our military and
our vets and all that stuff.
Speaker 2 (20:04):
So I'm glad you brought it up.
Speaker 5 (20:05):
Glad you said it definitely relevant to you know, our
landscape and how it drives the game of football. So yeah,
absolutely shout out to all our vets and all our
people are servicing.
Speaker 2 (20:18):
Really truly, truly appreciate you.
Speaker 1 (20:20):
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Speaker 3 (20:34):
You know, apparently not the most ideal weekend for people
in the world of college football. Now, we could focus
on the teams that lost near the top, like Miami
or Georgia. You know, feels like maybe the Big twelve's
got some issues.
Speaker 2 (20:49):
We sold it, I'll tell you what I mean.
Speaker 4 (20:52):
Carson Beck has not played well the past two games,
and that's It's significant because coming into the season, Door
Sanders Carson Beck reviewed as the top two quarterbacks for
the next year's NFL draft, and I would say Shador
Sanders has solidified himself as the first quarterback that's gonna
be taken in next year's draft. Even as good as
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cam Ward has played, I think there will be some
concerns about his adaptability from what he's doing in college
to an NFL offense, and his size, stature, those sorts
of things. These are just things that I'm told talking
to NFL scouts who are at these games or some
guys who I know who are decision makers in the industry.
But you know, Beck's taken a lot of the blame
because interceptions always go on the quarterback. The reality is
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the offensive line play has been poor. I've said before,
all their pass catchers, their wide receivers, tight ends have
done an awful job at times getting hands on footballs
and catching it or just knocking it down to the
ground instead. They're almost making it easier on the defense
deflecting it back up. But Georgia is not the Georgia
we saw the previous three years, and that has become
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very apparent. But the bigger issue I think in college
football right now, at least in one conference, is the
Big twelve officiating. That's the biggest I guess frustration for
a lot of fans out there. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (22:09):
So Mark Harlan, who you know, is the ad for Utah.
He also had a little bit of an issue with
the officiating. Apparently, you know, there was a holding call
that continue to drive. I'm not going to say that
that led to BYU winning that game. Fantastic game, by
the way.
Speaker 4 (22:28):
By the way, that was the proper call. Anyone who
watched the play and you sell some of the different angles.
It was defensive holding. I know it's unfortunate because it
came up on fourth down. If you get that stop,
you get off the field, you win if you're a
Utah fan. But I mean, that wasn't the most egregious
call there was. There was more calls earlier in the
game that were egregious. If you're a Utah fan, you
would have frustrated about it, But that was not the
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worst call of the game. And by the way, you
still had an entire drive. You get a stop, you
you couldn't at that point agreed.
Speaker 3 (22:55):
So Mark Harland, the athletic director for Utah following the
game and had this to say, I've been in that.
Speaker 7 (23:03):
Flag director for twelve years.
Speaker 2 (23:07):
This game is absolutely stolen from us.
Speaker 4 (23:10):
We were excited about being the Big twelve. But tonight
I am not.
Speaker 7 (23:15):
We won this game. Someone else stole it from us.
Very disappointed. I will talk to the commissioner. This was
not fair to our team. I'm disgusted by the professionalism
of the officiating crew tonight.
Speaker 3 (23:32):
And that cost him forty thousand dollars. So he got
fined forty grand for those comments. Following following the.
Speaker 5 (23:39):
Game, I still don't understand that the premise of finding
somebody who's giving their honest opinion, I don't get it.
I mean, I get it, but I don't get it.
Speaker 2 (23:51):
Like, what does it matter? Like to me?
Speaker 5 (23:54):
It only furthers that it's a bad look if you're
getting fined for talking about it, whether College weather pro like, Oh,
I didn't like the way that this game was called,
or I felt like the difference in the game was
the way that the game was handled bat of referees, this,
that and the other.
Speaker 2 (24:10):
Why do you get fined.
Speaker 3 (24:12):
If he had said something along the lines of, you know,
the officials were on the take or they were Like
I can understand that, but I also agree. I don't
know that some of these fines are necessary, Like there's
nothing wrong with venting Following a game like.
Speaker 4 (24:26):
Well, look, I think there's frustration. You know, Kenyan Matalolo
was seen young at a ref. I'm pretty sure they
won this weekend. You know, there's a number there's a
number of head coaches that I think they're looking at
the NFL model and they say, at least there's just
one directive, one form of coaching these guys, teaching these
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guys how to go through the process of evaluating various plays.
And instead, in college you've got all these different conferences.
Who then are you know, kind of maybe communicating things
differently than everyone else, so you could get a drastic
change from the Big twelve the ACC to the Big.
Speaker 2 (25:06):
Ten to the SEC.
Speaker 4 (25:08):
That's a problem. There should be one centralized system for
officiating in the college football level, include the Group of
five as well. And I know that's a lot of games,
it's a lot of officials, but the reality is that's
part of the frustration. You're always going to get different
crews that see games differently. So you maybe they call
more defensive holding, maybe they call more holding on the
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offensive line, whatever the case is. That's never going to
be removed from the game of football. But the truth is,
you could at least make the procedures and how they
go about officiating these some games somewhat I guess institutionalized
amongst all of these conferences instead of having them all
have their own way of looking at the game and
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even their own replay process in some ways, whereas the
Big Tens is now more centralized and others that's not
the case. So I think that's part of the frustration.
But when you talk about gambling and everything else that's
on the line, and I think also there's some skepticism
out there that a conference like the Big Twelve, which
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that conference could legitimately get zero teams into the playoff.
This is how it happens, very very unlikely. But going
into this past weekend, they are eight teams that are
up for it, probably more realistically five. That number has
been cut down because you know, Texas Tech loss, so
they're behind Colorado, which if Colorado keeps winning, they'll be
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playing BYU. If b YU keeps punning, even if BYU
drops a game, they would still be able to make
it into the Big Twelve championship game. So they essentially
need you know, one of their Big Twelve champs to
have you know, probably two losses is the most they
can afford to have based on at least how they
ranked BYU, who was undefeated but still only as high
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as I think eight in the first playoff ranking. So
the problem becomes, whats if you have a three loss
Big Twelve champion and you've got a Boise State team
that's only got one loss, and then a team like Army,
for example, wins out goes undefeated, they would have to
knock off Notre Dame. But there is a scenario out
there where a Power four conference like the Big Twelve,
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depending on if they keep beating each other up cannibalizing
one another, where they could get left out altogether. Now
again very unlikely. A lot would have to happen, but
there's skepticism with some of the officiating and thinking that
some of the favorites are getting more favorited calls. Like
if you're a utsaw fan, you watched throughout the course
that game, you saw some calls they didn't go your way,
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and you're thinking, well, we're out of it, but the
BYU might be our best shot. If they're the Big Twelve,
they make it in. So people are cynical about that.
You look at Colorado, Texas Tech. The most egregious call
probably the entire weekend in the Big Twelve was a
rough en the passer call, which it wasn't due to timing.
The ball was, you know, just leaving the hand of
Shador Sanders. The hit wasn't low, wasn't too high. If anything,
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it would have been more lower. But I don't know
what else you asked the defender to do, and that's
sustained to drive that helped Colorado eventually go on to
win the game. So that's where I think people start
to be questioning what's happened to the officiating because these conferences
know there's money to be made for making sure they're
a part of the college football playoff, and so it
seems like the teams at the top, the teams that
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are still in the mix, tend to get the benefit
of the doubt more some of the teams that aren't.
Speaker 3 (28:30):
Uh, the fans that uh you know in Texas Tech.
I mean they handled it well, though, like as far
as do you think so, yeah, I thought.
Speaker 2 (28:37):
They handled it well.
Speaker 4 (28:38):
You know, you tell yourself appropriate. I get the whole
tortilla history about it. And if you guys aren't familiar.
I'll give you the quick history. An announcer basically said, there's,
you know, two things in Lubbock, Texas, you know, football
and a tortilla factory. And so obviously that the fans
didn't take kindly to that, and so they brought tortillas
to bring out and throw a kickoff or they'll throw
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off their touchdown tortillas on the field. That was cool
for all about ten minutes of our pregame show, and
then it got pretty annoying. I'll just I'll leave it
at that.
Speaker 3 (29:07):
Yeah, so it seemed like like people there was a
guy behind you guys on set who was just ripping
mini bottles of and I think, I don't what's the cinnamon?
Speaker 2 (29:23):
Is it?
Speaker 3 (29:23):
Fireball?
Speaker 4 (29:24):
Fireball?
Speaker 2 (29:24):
I think he was just ripping like.
Speaker 3 (29:26):
Mini bottles of fireball, like while you guys were and
I'm looking at going it's like nine in the morning,
and there's like people biting holes and tortillas and throwing
them like urban myers picking them up. You can tell
he has no idea what are we doing here?
Speaker 4 (29:43):
I hope it was entertaining for other people, because as
sure as hell wasn't entertaining for us. I mean, I
was just trying to get out a coherent sentence at time.
You know, our host, Rob Stone has to handle like
he's a WWE like, you know, announcer, and I'm like, dude,
we need to move on from the tortillas, all right,
like you like, no one's targeting Rob Stone with the tortillas.
Let's move on from this. Everyone else is like wearing
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it right now while we're trying to talk about college football.
So it was it was an experience I have actually
really enjoyed going to Lubbock. I love their Their coach,
Joey McGuire's a great coach, but when he has to
get on the microphone during the game to tell the
fans to stop throwing stuff on the field, you can't
help but look at what Texas did earlier this year
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and the fact that that was kind of allowed and
obviously they got a call reversed, and it's really had
this snowball effect where other fans of other students feel
like they're annoyed they're allowed to do that, and it's
not good for college football. I mean, you've you've got
guys getting all kinds of stuff thrown at him on
the sidelines, that's always gone on. I remember going to
Boston College. They were throwing batteries and like and pennies.
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I remember going like to Purdue because they're right up
on you. They'll be throwing stuff like that. People tell
you keep your helmet on. I know, talking to coach Prime,
he was telling us that on the show. But even
behind the scenes, they're like, yeah, we're not going to
be able to hang out much on the bench in
the sideline just because of all the stuff that goes on.
That's that's part of college football and the experience. But
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when it starts becoming detrimental to your team, I mean,
and a distraction from the game itself, that's when it
starts to become an issue. So look, I'm all for
these kids having fun getting hammered like Lee does on
a weekend or something, but you know, do it the
right way, like, don't allow yourself to interject into the
end of the game and hurt your team's chances of winning.
Speaker 3 (31:28):
You guys make tortillas fun from scratch. Yeah, no, it's great.
Speaker 4 (31:33):
I don't wanted to see another tortilla for like five
more years. Yeah, I'm okay with that. I'm okay with
that he's.
Speaker 5 (31:41):
The number one Shador Sanders the number one guy. You
guys are figuring where you guys hands down? Where's the
ranking the Heisman race?
Speaker 4 (31:52):
So that's an interesting question because a lot of people
have said, like, if he's gonna be the number quarterback taking,
why is he viewed high in the Heisman. I think
he's in like the top four. You know, if you
had to rank them, I would say there's a couple issues. One,
he's gonna split votes with Colorado fans because of Travis Hunter.
What Travis Hunter is doing is seldom seen, playing both
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ways and being the type of player he is. Now,
what's getting harder for Travis Hunter is no one throws
at him. You know, he had an unbelievable interception that
got called back to to a penalty. But outside of that,
it's hard then because everyone knows who he is, they
try to take him away. When he's playing offense and
on defense. No one's gonna throw him. I mean, if
I'm a quarterback, I never throwed him. So his stats
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aren't going to look like, you know, a guy who's
gonna win the Heisman, in part because he's so damn
good that he's the focal point of almost anyone trying
to stop them, or anyone if they're on offense, they're
not going to throw them, so they might split votes.
That makes it harder too. And then Ashton Gent has
been phenomenal for Boise and cam moll ord even in
their loss, still through three touchdown passes, like he's been
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incredible too. So that's the hard part is you've got
Ashton Jen, You've got cam Ward, You've got Travis Hunter.
And then it's like almost like Shador has been an
afterthought even though he shouldn't be. And if they win
the Big Twelve, and if they end up moving on
and winning it, statistically, he's gonna be up there. But
also just like the fact that like he's he's what
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they've done with this organization program since he's gotten there
is incredible, going from one loss a few years ago
now to being a potential Big Twelve.
Speaker 2 (33:24):
Champ super true.
Speaker 3 (33:26):
So the odds on DraftKings right now, Travis Hunter is
the favorite at a plus one thirty, and then it's
Ashton Gent, then Dylan Gabriel, then cam Ward.
Speaker 4 (33:36):
Yeah, Dylan Gabriel. Sorry, he's the other one that especially
considering their schedule Like, imagine Big Ten Championship, they have
a rematch for Ohio State and he balls out in that.
It'd be hard not to think too, he doesn't have
all the momentum as a quarterback leading the number one
team going into the Heisman, as being the guy that's
gonna win.
Speaker 5 (33:55):
Rourke is one to look at too, if they can
finish out, Like, I don't see it happening, but if
Indiana were to finish out, because if Indiana continues on
the trajectory they're on, isn't it Indiana and Oregon?
Speaker 4 (34:11):
And well they have to play Ohio State.
Speaker 2 (34:14):
So that's what I'm saying.
Speaker 5 (34:15):
So if they continue on the way they are, if
they if they went out, isn't it Oregon in Indiana
in the in the championship game?
Speaker 4 (34:23):
If they won out, yes, it would be. Yeah.
Speaker 5 (34:25):
So I mean, I mean, it doesn't seem likely that
they can do it, But let's just say they were
to do it. Does that is that enough for Rourke
to get it?
Speaker 4 (34:35):
Maybe? I mean, statistically speaking, he's right up there with
Dylan Gabriel. But again, it might come down to head
to head to that game, Like if Curtis work out
plays Doling Gabriel Indiana wins the Big Ten, they're going defeated. Yeah,
I mean, I think he'd have a great case at
this point, not knowing what gent does I mean genty is.
I mean, I don't know how much you've been able
to see him this.
Speaker 5 (34:55):
Year, but it seems like ESPN has gotten behind him
too with the hype train they should.
Speaker 4 (35:00):
He's averaging over one hundred and ninety yards per game
on the ground. That's not even like total yards that's
per game on the It's ridiculous. He's already at seventeen
hundred yards. He's gonna be through nine games. I mean
you add on a three more games what he's doing
right now, he's gonna be somewhere over two thousand yards
rushing alone, not even scrimmage yards, and then they may
very well win the Mountain West and be maybe even
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a four seed when it comes down to the playoffs.
Speaker 3 (35:23):
The other guy near the top is Jalen Milroe as well, too,
who's just destroying the rushing, the rushing record, rushing touchdown
record for quarterbacks at Alabama, just disintegrating. I think, what
do you have four against LSU? I think four?
Speaker 4 (35:36):
Yeah, I mean I'm not sure that's a record that
you know, people look at and go, oh, man, I mean,
of all the rushing quarterbacks at Alabama, he's having a
good year. No, he's having a great year. I just
it's gonna be hard for him to make up compared
to a guy like Cam Morden's second in the country.
Campboard's averaging thre hundred and fifty passing yards per game.
It's done thirty two touchdowns, so much fun to watch it,
just to compare him to Rourke works throwing twenty one.
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He missed some times. That's part of it. But I
mean it's just, again, statistically speaking, it's hard when you
start adding all these things up.
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Speaker 3 (36:14):
So I was thinking about, like, who's it over for
in the NFL, and like we were talking about how
just there's you know, several bad teams in the league
that were on display yesterday, And I don't know if
you guys just want to start with the New York Footballman,
I don't know name the Bill.
Speaker 5 (36:31):
I don't know if you guys want to start with
will the New York Jets hit double digit victories?
Speaker 2 (36:38):
Do you all want to start with that? In terms
of how bad they are?
Speaker 4 (36:42):
That is out the window?
Speaker 2 (36:43):
All right, good, all right, so we can move on
from that.
Speaker 4 (36:46):
We can move on from that.
Speaker 2 (36:47):
Wonderful.
Speaker 4 (36:48):
I would say nine seems out of the question too.
Speaker 2 (36:51):
That seems like the ceiling. That's the ceiling.
Speaker 4 (36:54):
Ceiling. I would say eight might be the ceiling. Like
they're they got three wins, right, they're.
Speaker 2 (37:02):
Brutal man, I mean, weird wather through.
Speaker 4 (37:05):
Yes, it looked awful.
Speaker 3 (37:08):
How are they favored at Arizona? Like they were not
close at all in that game? And Rogers looks old
and beat up. Yeah he does. Like there's just no,
it just doesn't. It doesn't feel like the Rogers we've
seen before.
Speaker 4 (37:24):
It's not even close. He's three years removed from the
Rogers that I think everyone expected. But what's more concerning
is when there's miscommunication between him and Devanta Adams not
saying that DeVante is going to know everything at this point,
but he played with Aaron for years and you know
it's a similar verbiage and offense that they've played in
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the past together with and there's times where you see him,
you know, running up it looked like Rogers was was
giving him a signal saying, it's this because DeVante Adams,
the way he ran his route kind of ran and
and obviously impacted Garrett Wilson's route. And Rogers kind of
throws up his hands and he looks over. He's like,
it's this not you know whatever you were running, and
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you can see the frustrations on Devontae Adams, and it's
in those moments you go, but this is what Rogers wanted.
This is what Aaron run It wanted, and now it's
there and they still can't figure it out.
Speaker 2 (38:19):
Is what DeVante wanted?
Speaker 4 (38:21):
Yeah, it's what both wanted that James, but but the
reality is it's more from the Jets perspective where they
went all in on this and it couldn't have it
hasn't could have gone any worse. I mean, let's just
be real about it. You didn't get Rogers at all
last year because of injury. Now you get him this year.
And the guy who was the head coach that co
signed to it, he gone, They've already made a change
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in play caller that has not done anything other than
last week's when creates somewhat of a little spark. But
outside of that, I mean, it's like even when they're
they're starting to run the football a little bit more
or at least attempt too early in games, there's just
there's this team seems dead, like there's no energy or
enthusiasm at all in any phase on all three sides
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of the ball. And I guess that should probably fall
on Aaron Rodgers more than anyone else, that you're the leader.
They're gonna follow how you how you go. And I
think he's proud of himself on being more of this
kind of level, cool, calm, you know, always kind of
zen type. It's like, no, man, it's okay to show
emotion in football. Like you all think about Brave Heart,
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think about any of your favorite movies Gladiator. There's at
some point in a passion speech where it needs to
be made. And that's the hardest part ossly about being
a leader as a quarterback is you can't allow your
emotions to get the best of you and how you
think and your decision making. But you sure as hell,
you sure as hell can act emotional towards your teammates,
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because your alignemen are fighting their ass off every single
damn play. The defense is fighting their ass off every
single damn play, and so your job ma not require
you to operate with that sort of emotion, but they're
sure as hell does, and they need to see it
from you, because if they don't see it from you,
they're gonna think it's okay or they need to live
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in this zen world, and that's not what they're because
they were in a street fight for sixty five seventy
plays a damn game. And so that's to me, the
biggest thing missing. We can talk about the jets in
the organization, allos, crap, everything else. They have no energy,
They have no it doesn't look like they want to
be there. It looks like they're punching the clock at
a crappy job. And that's got to change. That has
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to start with Aaron first before anyone else.
Speaker 3 (40:35):
Well, let's hear from Aaron Rodgers. Always energetic, always passionate,
following the game.
Speaker 6 (40:41):
A lot of emotions this year, for sure. I thought,
you know, after a big win, nice long week, we're
gonna come out with a lot of energy and win
the game. And we just you know, we didn't come
out with the great energy on either side of the ball,
and offensively, you ain't not gonna be anybody scoring six points.
Speaker 3 (40:55):
They got throttled like they were totally outclassed, totally out physical,
got beat every step of the way.
Speaker 2 (41:02):
They got annihilated yesterday.
Speaker 3 (41:05):
So it's that's a round.
Speaker 5 (41:08):
Texans just lost again. Like I don't even know that
you can really it's a big win because they just
haven't been able to win. But I don't even consider
that to be a like at this point, I don't
know how much of a quality win that is. I
just think looking at I'm with you on this, like
I'm like, you can't keep saying, well, you know, you
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can't win the game by scoring six points, Like hey, bruh,
Like show a little bit of fire, show a little
bit of intensity. Those guys are going to feed off
of that. Guys will rally. You do have the type
of personnel on that that roster that if they did
rally and was like f it all, it's us against
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the world, Like it's just us, we all we got.
Speaker 3 (41:53):
His former coach tried to and he shoved him away.
Speaker 5 (41:56):
Dang, and then shoved him out. Yeah, they just shove
him away. Then he shoved him out the door. I
don't know, man, I just know we're going through the teams.
That's the number one team, far and away. If there
was a heisman for disappointing losing teams in the National
Football League, the heisman the player, the team of the Year,
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the MVP award Most Valuable trash team goes to the Jets.
And that's crazy because listen, I think Carolina stinks. They
gotta win, but they stink. The Jets are easily the
most disappointing team in the National Football League today, not yesterday.
(42:45):
Well yeah they were yesterday too, but today they are
the most disappointing team. More Southern Dallas. Dallas is up there.
Dallas is up there. I think Dallas is the most
intriguing team that's losing. That's a trash team. They're intriguing
because this was a air quotes all in year for Dallas,
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which I don't see how you could come to the
conclusion with the lack of moves that they made that
this was an all in year other than to say, hey, listen,
all in means you guys that are on this roster
y'all better win. That's coaching staff too, all in. Y'all
better win or we're blowing it up. Maybe that's what
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all in means to Jerry Jones for this season. I
think they're I think they are a disappointing team. But
I do not think that it's even close that they're
more disappointing than the New York Jets, because that Jets
defense is loaded. On offense, they're loaded. They got they
got a running back and Bree. They got receivers. They
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got more than one receivers. They have three receivers, two ones.
You got two ones and out a third. Like you
got a second receiver that that's like the third in Lazard.
Like you got guys, You got a decent offensive line.
I know you had injuries, but you drafted a guy
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you got you got. You have a roster that that
says you should be a dominant team. I mean, Cats
had them going to the super Bowl this year. Yeah,
go ahead, smile. I just Cats had them going to
the super Bowl this year. They were going to win
their division hands down.
Speaker 2 (44:31):
Barn Away.
Speaker 3 (44:32):
Now the Jets, I did, yeah, I did say they would.
I did say they would be a playoff team. Is
that what you said, that's what you said, accountability money.
I was there too, I'll admit that countability. I was
buying into the excitement, the hype, you know, Roger's two
point zero out of the darkness.
Speaker 2 (44:50):
I wasn't even attacking, y'all.
Speaker 5 (44:52):
A lot of people were saying that a lot of
people were on that train.
Speaker 2 (44:56):
Ye not. There there were some people saying that this
Jets team was hitting to this. Are you tacking us far?
Speaker 5 (45:01):
I'm not, Damn, I'm not an angry angry I'm not
an angry black man.
Speaker 2 (45:06):
I am not.
Speaker 4 (45:07):
You went irish for a second.
Speaker 5 (45:09):
I don't know what I did. I don't know what
it was. I think I think my body's tired. My
tongue got tired right there to kind of like had
a little little narcolepsi or something like that.
Speaker 2 (45:20):
You know.
Speaker 3 (45:20):
It's also the Jets have run out of go tos.
It's like, you know what.
Speaker 2 (45:25):
We're going to bring in, We're going to get really
this coach.
Speaker 3 (45:27):
We could use a new coach, all right, We're going
to win.
Speaker 2 (45:30):
What he comes out, We're going to win. Right now.
Speaker 3 (45:32):
We could use a new receiver.
Speaker 2 (45:34):
Receiver.
Speaker 3 (45:36):
Meanwhile, Mike Williams sketching the game winning touchdowns.
Speaker 2 (45:40):
He just got there.
Speaker 4 (45:42):
By the way, flying into the radar is Russell Wilson.
Mike Tomlin. The decision he made continues to pay offs. Right,
Russ looks great man.
Speaker 2 (45:53):
And they be the quality team in their house.
Speaker 4 (45:57):
And look, I think we've moved on from the Denver
Broncos common station and him and the Sean Payton break
up because they got Bownicks. Boenix is playing well for rookie.
It looks like that's gonna work out well for them
in the future. But give props where props are due.
Russell Wilson is playing some good football man, and that
team is going to be really tough to beat with
that defense.
Speaker 3 (46:16):
Yeah, I think Brady and I were pretty optimistic about
Russell Wilson kind of defended him, you know, I mean,
at least like you know good.
Speaker 2 (46:23):
I think, you.
Speaker 5 (46:25):
Know, I mean, if you we want to throw throw
things out there, like throwing things back, you zipping something
back my way.
Speaker 2 (46:31):
I did not. I didn't feel like he was a
Pittsburgh guy.
Speaker 4 (46:34):
I think he's showing you that he's leveled up.
Speaker 2 (46:37):
He is leveling up.
Speaker 4 (46:38):
He's not like a boy it's more like a man.
Now that he's playing, he's leveling up.
Speaker 3 (46:42):
I've got good authority that his sandwich is the hottest
seller at Primani's.
Speaker 2 (46:46):
I don't buy that, okay.
Speaker 4 (46:50):
I'm showing you how we roll.
Speaker 2 (46:53):
On to day.
Speaker 5 (46:54):
I even got the hoodie on the day the man.
Speaker 3 (46:59):
I mean, I'm also hearing that they might put they
might put Russell Wilson's picture up on the wall.
Speaker 5 (47:04):
They might start selling LeVar Allen drinks. I think so,
I don't know, yeah, but again, you know, like we
were supportive of Russell Wilson. We thought that were and
I wasn't. And good for him. I mean, he's looking
to be more confident. He's he's making those throws that
you guys, the tear drop, the the moon balls.
Speaker 2 (47:27):
He's throwing them up there.
Speaker 4 (47:29):
What did calls sound like when he was talking about Russell.
Speaker 3 (47:32):
I mean, like, I mean, it's those moon balls, Mike, Like,
nobody in the league has done it better than Russell Wilson.
I mean, he's always had that gift, and they just
need to find guys that are able to be on
the receiving end of it. And the addition of Mike
Williams has been. I mean, I gotta take golly. But
(47:53):
that's that's why. And the drop hasn't been so frustrating
because that thing was wide open. Why are you running
that play so deep in your own territory.
Speaker 4 (48:04):
Well, it's a look. It's triggered by the fact that
you didn't have anyone over the gunner. And so once
that happens, you're saying, if we get this look, we're
gonna run this fake and it's wid all you have
to do is catch it.
Speaker 2 (48:19):
Yeah, he did it.
Speaker 4 (48:21):
I'm just saying, man, was that was party? That was
part of the bad football. It was a great call out.
I got execution.
Speaker 2 (48:27):
I agree.
Speaker 3 (48:27):
What was the crowd like for the community, it was
it was bro.
Speaker 5 (48:32):
You couldn't tell who was making a big play. You
could not tell who was making a big play.
Speaker 2 (48:39):
Bro, I don't know, Man, Them terrible towels was what.
Speaker 5 (48:44):
And I thought it was a brilliant idea what they
did for the military, you know, kind of the appreciation
day they gave out. They handed out military hats and
they handed out burgundy burgundy towels and told them to like,
wave your towels. So whoever came up with it, it's smart.
(49:06):
Because you know, the Pittsburgh Steelers are black and what well,
some people say yellow, but some people say black and gold.
Speaker 2 (49:12):
Right.
Speaker 5 (49:14):
The Washington Commanders are burgundy and gold. Right, So they
figured you're gonna be up in here spinning them towels,
then we're gonna put some burgundy towels in our fans'
hands and it's gonna look like burgundy and gold. Only
problem was nobody was spending any burgundy towels. It was
just terrible towels. So and when the Steelers, like when
(49:37):
Friar Move would make a play, they did his his
chant like move like when people made when when the
when the Steelers made plays, the stadium was going nuts.
Speaker 3 (49:49):
Now, as a guest of the commanders, who are you
rooting for?
Speaker 5 (49:52):
And you know, it's funny because again I got you know,
there are a lot of like I saw a couple
of the interviews that I did posted, they're like.
Speaker 2 (50:00):
Lvorley came back.
Speaker 5 (50:01):
So because the Steelers were playing, that's kind of shady
Da da da da is not. It was Military Appreciation Day,
man like chill out. Of course I was rooting for
the commanders. I wasn't rooting against the Steelers. Everybody who
said anything to me, who are you rooting for us?
I'm from Pittsburgh, I'm a child that's my childhood team.
What do you want me to say f the Steelers.
(50:21):
I'm not going to say that. Everybody knows as well
documented that's my that's my team from my childhood. That's
my team. I root for a couple of teams, and
two of them happened to be playing against each other
yesterday and I was in attendance. So it's cool, wasn't
I wasn't like. I wasn't like, oh, I'm so glad
Pittsburgh won the game. When I saw the game and
it you know what I mean is I was I
(50:43):
was actually happy that I keep wanting to say it.
I was happy that the Commanders we were winning for
as long as they did. It looked like they were
about to pull it out. It just didn't didn't happen,
you know, it didn't happen that well.
Speaker 3 (50:56):
I mean, I was rooting for the Steelers because I wanted,
you know, Eddie Garcia to be in a good mood.
Speaker 5 (51:01):
So I mean, I will say this, I picked the
Steelers to win.
Speaker 2 (51:06):
I did do that. So they invite you back and
you picked the Steelers.
Speaker 5 (51:10):
Yeah, but I gotta do my job, man, I gotta
do my job, you know what I mean? And I
think I know for certain I overtook you this weekend.
Speaker 2 (51:18):
I know I overtook it. I was brutal. Absolutely.
Speaker 4 (51:21):
Oh no, I just remember I never filled out.
Speaker 2 (51:25):
Yeah you didn't.
Speaker 4 (51:26):
Gosh, dang, it's you know, it's it's my fault. It's
not least. He did send it, although he sent it
when I was I think he said on Friday at
some point, do you have what do.
Speaker 2 (51:39):
You have?
Speaker 5 (51:40):
We don't need to talk about this here. Do you
have Friday? Yeah, we don't have to go into detail
about it, but do you have to?
Speaker 4 (51:47):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (51:47):
You can't catch up because you missed too.
Speaker 4 (51:49):
I mean that's over ten the past two weeks.
Speaker 2 (51:51):
Now, you got, you got to.
Speaker 4 (51:55):
He sent it when I was doing something, so I
looked at it and I was like, I'll get back
to this a little bit.
Speaker 5 (52:00):
He can't focus. Can you? Can you do it?
Speaker 2 (52:03):
You got?
Speaker 4 (52:03):
What do you are you? Are you under the table again?
What are you doing late?
Speaker 2 (52:06):
I got it? What were the totals?
Speaker 3 (52:10):
Are you on the are you on the bevmo website?
Speaker 2 (52:14):
I'm tallying it up. Now here we go. Dang.
Speaker 5 (52:20):
I don't think this math is going to be good
at all. Right, I just know I crushed it this weekend.
I do know that we can go through it quick.
Speaker 4 (52:27):
So you guys didn't get the forty nine ers bucks.
You guys did get the Steelers. You must picked the Steelers.
You guys both got Philly. It's too oh, Jonas well,
neither of you guys won Lions Texans because Jonah said Detroit,
but you had the hook so that didn't work. And
(52:48):
then LeVar, you had the Houston money line.
Speaker 2 (52:50):
Did I call use the money line? You did? Yeah?
The uh?
Speaker 4 (52:56):
Jonas won he won because he picked Carolina and you
had the Giant. So that was the difference in last week.
There you go, just got three, LeVar, you got two.
Speaker 2 (53:05):
I believe three.
Speaker 4 (53:07):
No, never mind got four? Is that right?
Speaker 2 (53:10):
Yeah?
Speaker 4 (53:11):
No, he didn't.
Speaker 2 (53:11):
Never mind.
Speaker 5 (53:12):
I thought I did pretty good. I didn't know money
lined the Texans.
Speaker 2 (53:17):
Thank. Yeah. I was brutal. I'll take it back. I
was brutal, man.
Speaker 3 (53:22):
I knew you got four, right, I mean yeah, but
I mean the one that really counts as Knox locks.
Speaker 2 (53:27):
And I was not good. I'm owing to going into tonight. Yeah,
it's a struggle.
Speaker 4 (53:32):
Really you got you went four and one and LeVar
went three and two.
Speaker 3 (53:36):
And what's tonight's game? Rams Dolphins? Who would I taken?
Speaker 4 (53:43):
Did we picked this one? He didn't pick this one.
It was just a Knox lock special. Which is it
going to?
Speaker 5 (53:49):
Yeah, that's not so he took a one game lead
on me. That's no good, bad week. I'm depressed now.
I was happy about that.
Speaker 3 (53:55):
Did the wagon have a bad week at the window too?
Speaker 2 (53:58):
He seemed like he was h frustrated.
Speaker 4 (54:01):
No, not at all. We were just thinking, like one
of the douchiest things you can do this is to
all people out there, not just you know our show. Yeah,
you guys, is when you do win a bet, immediately
send it to someone else, because if you're gonna, if
you're gonna set that press and like send all of
your bets. Like for example, Jonas sends over a teaser,
(54:21):
got a gap, and Jake looks at me and goes,
so he won sixteen bucks and he's like excited about it.
I go, yeah, I guess, like there's six teas bad
ways to go if you want to win a little bit.
And he's like, and he goes, I follow him, he goes,
I don't think he's won a game in his Knox locks,
and go yeah, he's a terrible gambler. So we basically
(54:43):
discussed how Jonas is that d bag that will only
text you when he wins all the time. Meanwhile, he's
taken out a second mortgage because he cannot win a
bet for his life.
Speaker 3 (54:53):
You want to know how bad I was this weekend.
I was sweating out that two team teaser, that too
teaser for the Chargers and the Titans, Like, I was
sweating that out because I couldn't win anything. And by
the way, for those of you that are touchdown, I
sweat like I had to go back and look, did
I have forty five or forty four? Like I had
to go back and look and check it. But for
(55:14):
those of you that aren't familiar, the way teasers work
is you get a line and a point total and
you basically buy six points in either direction. A little confusing,
but it's really desperation time when you just need to
feel good about something. That's the move that you make.
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