November 14, 2024 • 52 mins
Today on 2 Pros and a Cup of Joe, the Colts switch back to Anthony Richardson but is he ready? The guys wonder if Aaron Rodgers calls it quits after this season. Senior NFL Reporter, Albert Breer gives insights into organizations like the Bears and Jets; and gives his arguments for MVP and Coach of the Year.
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Speaker 1 (00:02):
It is the best of two pros and a couple.
Joe with Lamar arings Brady Winn and Jonas Knox on
Fox four Radio.
Speaker 2 (00:13):
Oh yeah, baby, I mean that's some good riffing going on.
Yeah cool man Wood, Yeah, Q came in, Jim out
bro thirty six Crazy Fists. They're Braiden Fat with fat
five finger death punch.
Speaker 3 (00:30):
I was gonna say, and there's always some sort of
reference to something there.
Speaker 4 (00:34):
Well, I think thirty six Crazy Fish was a Jackie
Chan movie if I'm not mistaken, but this band.
Speaker 3 (00:40):
Lee, can we confirm that it was a thirty six
Crazy Fist, a Jackie Chan movie.
Speaker 4 (00:44):
I believe it was, all right, not then, No, not Jackie,
but well we know you think it was. Why Why
did I say Jackie Chan don't know?
Speaker 2 (00:50):
Bruce Lee?
Speaker 3 (00:51):
Oh wow, that's Jonas, Thank you sir.
Speaker 2 (01:00):
All right man, that is wow.
Speaker 3 (01:02):
Way to start the show, bro, I to start the show.
Speaker 2 (01:05):
I thought you came in, No.
Speaker 4 (01:06):
Because I know that was you broh sock and Jackie Chan,
isn't it.
Speaker 2 (01:12):
Yeah? I looked at the thirty six Crazy Face Jackie channing.
You should have stayed with Jackie Chang. Could you jacked it?
Up when you say it Bruce Lee.
Speaker 4 (01:19):
No, because I heard the story that the band told
and I knew that those two guys, like either one
or both were in it.
Speaker 3 (01:25):
So oh that sounds cool.
Speaker 4 (01:27):
No, what was the story, Just that that was where
they got the band name from. I'm not in the
into the movie and.
Speaker 3 (01:33):
Really original, right, you take it from a movie, That's
that's true.
Speaker 2 (01:36):
Listen, rock on, bro Hey, look at their decision. I'm
still stuck on the fact that Jonas said Jackie Chan
was Bruce Lee. But they're both the movie? Were they?
Jackie Chan was in a Bruce Lee movie? Thank you?
(01:56):
Bruce Lee wasn't in it? Good? Jeed good though? Whatever?
Speaker 5 (02:01):
All right? Good?
Speaker 2 (02:01):
That has two different generations. That is what it is, like.
I don't know.
Speaker 4 (02:05):
I never seen the movie, but the point is the
band's good, the song's DC.
Speaker 2 (02:11):
I'll be honest with you. I thought the song was
gonna be a.
Speaker 4 (02:14):
Little better when I sent it over, and the first
time I heard it, I was like, yeah, it doesn't
really work in this time slot.
Speaker 3 (02:19):
So it doesn't.
Speaker 2 (02:19):
Maybe it'll be short lived. Maybe I got more in
the whole story than your second guessing yourself now, huh, No,
just with the song.
Speaker 4 (02:25):
I heard it yesterday and I thought I thought it
would have punched a little bit more, but it just doesn't.
Speaker 2 (02:30):
So whatever, we'll figure it out.
Speaker 4 (02:32):
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change hearts. Things have changed in Indianapolis. You know, a
lot has gone on. There's been a couple of days
of real improved there from Anthony Richardson. He has really
(03:02):
shown that he is a different guy nowadays for the
Indianapolis Colts, so much so that he is now the
starting quarterback for the Colts yet again for the remainder
of the season. Here was the Colts head coach Shane
Stike in discussing the decision.
Speaker 6 (03:19):
I want to address, you know, Anthony's situation. You know,
I've said the process, the process for a long time,
and what I mean by that it's the attention to
detail and everything he does from the classrooms to the walkthroughs,
to practice, to the weight room, all those little things, right,
it just got to be at a higher standard.
Speaker 5 (03:38):
You know.
Speaker 6 (03:38):
Over the last two weeks, he's made strides in those areas,
big time strides, becoming a pros pro. He's a hell
of a talent. Like I've said, we've never lost faith
or belief in him and his abilities, and he's shown
strides he really has. And with that being said, he
will be our starter again. He's going to start this week.
He's going to start the rest of the season, all right,
(03:58):
and we're going to go from there.
Speaker 5 (04:00):
I know, decision with Jim.
Speaker 6 (04:03):
Yeah, I talked to Chris, I talked to Jim, I
talked to everybody.
Speaker 3 (04:06):
But ultimately is my decision.
Speaker 2 (04:08):
Oh there it goes again, There goes again.
Speaker 3 (04:11):
I know what this is.
Speaker 2 (04:12):
There it goes again. I know what this is. This
is who they playing this week? Do you guys know? Oh?
Speaker 3 (04:19):
God, they're they're at the New York Yeah. There, they've
lost three in a row. Okay, to keep any hopes
alive whatsoever. And if you're looking like, well, let's take
a step back and look at this from an organizational standpoint,
you need to find out what you have in Anthony Richardson.
He didn't start many games as a rookie. He only
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played one year in college. In order for you to
see long term if he can be the guy, he's
got to play. So clearly what he did and maybe
what he was doing when you start hearing the coach
talk about the off the field stuff, the meeting's not
the extra stuff around it that the quarterback should be
(05:00):
doing that maybe he wasn't doing. It got to a
point where they had to sit him down. So now
it looks better, sounds better, But this also represents an
opportunity for them to be able to win a game
after coming off three straight losses. So it just kind
of is what it is. But I also think at
four and six, losing three in a row, they're have
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an outside shot at winning their division, but not great.
You'd have to admit this is This season is about
seeing what you have in your quarterback position. Joe Flacco's
not the future, and with his play last week, I
think it led you to think, Okay, he is close
to forty years old and we need to put back
in there a guy who we need to figure some
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stuff about. Because if we end up being a four
or five win team when it's all said and done.
This year, we're gonna have a shot at drafting a quarterback,
and we're gonna have to look at that long and hard.
If we're in a position to take a guy that
we might feel equally as good about, if not maybe better.
So that all those things are we could sit right now.
But you got to find out what you have and
anthe Richardson first.
Speaker 2 (06:03):
You know what I think sucks. What sucks is when
coaches at the pro level talk like a guy as
a kid, like he's a child, like that dude did
not become a professional in one week. That's cat that
you can you can.
Speaker 3 (06:25):
Break this down. I do have a question about this. So,
in all seriousness, is there any career in which you
could become a pro in one week? Hell no, Okay,
all right, I'm gonna challenge that. Go ahead, adult film,
you would still be an amateur. Yeah, but I mean
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technically you're a provol but technically they're gonna list it
as amateur. Well I wouldn't know. I don't watch a
bunch of it. I'm just throwing it out.
Speaker 2 (06:54):
I'm just throwing it out there. Too. I could be
all the way wrong because I don't know that.
Speaker 4 (07:00):
I mean, it's about potential at that point, all right,
Like you've got to really like deliver.
Speaker 2 (07:05):
The like you got to like have a measurement requirement.
I don't know, or you know, I'm at those combines.
I don't know. And how does it work from gender
to gender? And then now in twenty twenty four where
you don't have to identify with the gender that you
were born as, I mean, how does that work? Oh,
that's a fair point. I'm just trying to understand since
since Q took us down a rabbit hole, and if
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you can become a pro in a week in an
industry and get paid like that, I might be in
the wrong industry. That's all it is. It is I
might have to start looking at job opportunities in those spaces.
Speaker 3 (07:43):
I just like, all you needed was a camera to
let that thing go public. And once you start getting
paid off your your protest that is true? Is that
a wrong assumption?
Speaker 2 (07:52):
They call it amateur if it's not done by a
certain studio. Is what I've been told? Yeah, is what
That's what I've been told. You know, I've had I've
had conversations about porn before you know, what is adult
film all about? Like, you know, because I had to
(08:14):
have these conversations. You know why. I'm gonna tell you
how this all came about. And I had I had it.
I didn't have this particular conversation with my dad, but
my first conversation about adult films was with my dad.
Let me tell you why, Let me take you. Let
me take y'all down the Arrington rabbit hole. Son, So
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growing up in the nineties, Son Wesley Pipe's flick is
out growing up in the nineties, the way cable worked,
like you only had so many channels, right, and then
cable came and then you had like you know, you
had channels, but you know that it was like TV
(08:56):
was vastly different in the nineties. And and so, I mean,
as I got older, I was like in like with
high school. Like I remember this was my ninth grade year,
my freshman year high school. I was in my basement
watching cable and fell asleep. I was watching a movie
and fell asleep. I woke up to moans and groans.
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I was, in fact, I didn't wake up, I was
I was all woken by moans and groans, and I
was thoroughly confused. I was confused and I thought I
had did something wrong, so I wouldn't, you know, I
asked my dad the next morning. I'm like, I was like, Dad,
you know, I was I was watching. I don't even
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remember I was watching, but I was watching something. And
I was like, Dad, I'm just telling you I didn't
do anything wrong, but I saw some some boobs. I
saw some like stuff going on, like you know, there
was like what's the word on all of this?
Speaker 5 (09:58):
You know?
Speaker 2 (10:00):
He was like, well, what channel are you watching? I
was like, I was watching Cinemax and he was like oh.
He was like, oh, well, see here's what happens. Right,
there's like a time frame son that there's a reason
why it's after dark, and and it's generally after people
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who are in school. It wasn't ninth grade. It was
like seventh grade. It was like seventh grade because I
was active after that. I remember that, like things started
to happen after I saw that. Anyway, it's like seventh
eighth grade, seventh grade playing quite a bit, I'll be
honest with me. So he's like listen, like he's like,
you know, guys are supposed to be sleep and who's
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ever awake at that time? And this is the funniest
junk because my dad used to hit me with funny
stuff like like when I heard PMS for the first
I was like, Dad, what is PMS mean? He said,
possible murder suspect. So anyway, hit us with like funny
stuff like that, right, And my dad's sid after dark
son is for married married husband, he said, after dark
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is for married husbands. And he said, and you don't
need to know what that means until you get to
that place, but just understand you're not married, so you
need to go to sleep, and you need to go
to bed, and you need to be getting ready for
the next day whatever has in front of you. And
that was the conversation. That was the conversation. Now that
wasn't the what that separates adult from you know, or
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pro from from amateur. But that was my introduction to
talking about porn though it's I don't know it was,
and I felt like it was hardcore porn, but they
say it's a soft cores you know. I don't know.
But but then once I got married, I understood what
he was talking about. And I do understand what possible
murder suspect represents as well. So shots out to all
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the ladies. But I'm just saying this is kind of real. Yeah,
I mean it does that.
Speaker 4 (12:01):
That answered a lot of questions I've had over the
past three plus years.
Speaker 2 (12:04):
I think it's bull crap that Brady totally railroaded me
about the like throttle down on the fact that you
can't become a pro like you're going to throw it.
Might be right, you might be right. You might be
right out there, man, you might be right. But I
was say, in this case with Anthony Richardson, he did
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not become a pro in one week. That's what I'm
gonna tell you. Yeah, I mean, unless it's hip thrusting
and he's got a chance that way. I don't know.
Maybe he did some real good hip thrusting. I mean,
this whole Diddy case has really shed a lot of
light on how people get to on the Diddy case,
I don't seen I've lost I mean, I've never had
(12:46):
interest in it, but I haven't been paying attention to it.
I don't know. It was just a funny little little zip,
a little bit, you know.
Speaker 4 (12:54):
A little dip, little little dip, you know, it is
when they're talking, when they make the decision that look,
this is for the foreseeable future.
Speaker 2 (13:03):
When it comes to Anthony Richardson.
Speaker 4 (13:05):
It's like four half and then like everyone's asking the
question like, hey, man, Joe Flacco doesn't look like the
same guy he was in Cleveland. Uh, you know you're
making a switch, Like no, he's gonna be our guy.
But man, what a difference forty eight plus hours makes,
because all of a sudden, Anthony Richardson.
Speaker 2 (13:21):
He's done everything right, He's been amazing, Like, come on, dude,
that's all the way. Cat Jim Ersay said exactly what
Q said, Like, bruh, I invested in this, dude. I
need to know what I get. Put him in the game, Yes,
I need put him in the game. He better stop
playing games around him.
Speaker 4 (13:39):
He basically missed last year because of health and he's
missing this year because of health and needing to take
a rest in the middle of a game. Like, I
got to get some answers here so we know what
direction we're going in.
Speaker 2 (13:50):
The office, he's stinking hey, hey, stinking ass, is it
going to be you or is it going to be Richardson?
We better find out and we better find out.
Speaker 4 (13:59):
So, like there's no way Shane Stiking legitimately believes that
anybody's gonna buy that guard like my zinger, like my bit.
Speaker 2 (14:10):
Because what he's doing right now, he ain't saying Stiking,
he's shanginking.
Speaker 4 (14:14):
I just like, does he really think anybody's buying that?
Like everybody understands like what the reality is. And so
now you know, Anthony Richardson's gonna be the guy, And
I mean, at least we're gonna get some answers if.
Speaker 2 (14:27):
He stays healthy by the end of the season.
Speaker 3 (14:29):
To Levar's point, though, this literally sounded like a parent
teacher meaning I had recently from my kindergarten. Yeah, I mean,
she's been doing so well all the things that we
ask her to do that she's she's bringing in her stuff,
she's putting her stuff away in her cubby, she's washing
her hands, she's making sure to be a good listener.
(14:52):
In all seriousness, isn't that part of the process when
you're going through evaluating quarterbacks from college to the NFL,
Like those are the intangibles that you should already know, whether.
Speaker 2 (15:05):
Or not already have a fix on it.
Speaker 3 (15:09):
If you know the guy isn't doing that in college
in granted one year starting, but still, if you know that,
then what makes you think he's gonna change once he
gets money because he's incentivized too.
Speaker 2 (15:22):
And if something doesn't and if something doesn't make sense
to you, then you don't invest that high of a
draft pick in it. Now, you when you invest that
high of a draft pick, you're saying, this is a
guy that is going to help and change our our.
Speaker 4 (15:36):
Football team or make our football team better. Yeah, but
that throw against Houston Week one, I don't know that
that might cancel out everything he's ever done wrong in
his life.
Speaker 2 (15:47):
Well, Jim Meyersay certainly feels that way. This does. It
was my decision. No, it wasn't stinking you stink damn.
That was Jim's decision. We ain't heard jack from from
Jim bad Away. I ain't heard nothing from Jim. You
usually hear something. He'll usually pop up here and there
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during the course of a year. Wait, I heard nothing
from Jim Hersey.
Speaker 4 (16:11):
It was usually busy from about two to seven hang
each week, leaning on that tree I don't know, singing
that song I don't know, with just boots and the
cowboy hat, on in a Jocks Draft.
Speaker 1 (16:22):
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Speaker 4 (16:36):
So Week eleven in the NFL kicks off later on tonight,
we're gonna have more on that with Albert Breer. Fun matchup,
fun game. We got the Commanders and the Eagles taking
place later on. That was part of Quinn's wins, which
you can hear if you listen back on the podcast.
Somebody who you know has got a few weeks left
in their season, potentially their career is the one and
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only Aaron Rodgers. Aaron Rodgers spoke about the potential of
wanting to come back and play next season despite.
Speaker 2 (17:06):
All the struggles from this year, and had this to.
Speaker 3 (17:09):
Say, You've talked about wanting to play be this year
here fourth has the way this season gone for you
or as a team?
Speaker 1 (17:16):
Change stock thought at all?
Speaker 2 (17:18):
Not really?
Speaker 7 (17:18):
Not not for the negative, No, not really. If you
don't want to play as he does at twenty five,
I think so, Yeah, how.
Speaker 2 (17:23):
Do you feel about how you played this year?
Speaker 5 (17:25):
Are you playing the way you thought you didn't play
coming back from every day?
Speaker 7 (17:29):
No, I mean I'm not playing as well as I
would have liked to play, for sure. The beauty in
this game is it's a team game. The frustrating part
is that you know, if you if you're a great competitor,
you old yourself to a standard and and it's not unrealistic.
And I haven't having recess standard this year.
Speaker 4 (17:48):
So do you believe Rogers comes back and his quarterbacking
for the Jets next year? Because even if he does,
my thought is they're still drafting a quarterback. They're going
to be picking high in that. I can't imagine they
would go another year and not address the situation long term.
But I just wonder, you're gonna have a new coach.
Do they want to deal with all that? It hasn't
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been smooth. I know DeVante Adams is going to be there.
Are they running this thing back for one final chapter
in Aaron Rodgers' career?
Speaker 3 (18:19):
Don't you guys wonder though, if that factors into his decision.
I mean, there's a lot of things that are up
in the air. Who's going to be their head coach?
If they come to him and they say we're going
to draft a quarterback to eventually replace you, there's that
thought too, right. You know, maybe that deters him from
wanting to come back because if he's playing the way
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he is now, next year, whoever they draft, people are
gonna be clamoring for him, and he's probably thinking to myself, like,
do I really want to deal with that? I mean,
I'm a first ballot Hall of Famer and this is
how I'm gonna go out. So I don't know. It's
I think he'll come because I don't think he wants
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the season end the way this one seems like it's
going to. I mean, even if they won out, I'm
not sure they would make the playoffs. So that's the
tough part is there's still so much football left to
be played. The topic is probably a better conversation like
four weeks when we have a more definitive answer of
where they're at, or maybe just a week from now
they lose in this week, But those have to be
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some of the factors. It's got to be about who's
the head coach? Are you gonna draft on it? If
you do, are you being frank with me?
Speaker 5 (19:31):
Up?
Speaker 3 (19:31):
Front about it, what's the plan for that and does
you want to have to deal with that heading into
twenty twenty five possibly his last year.
Speaker 2 (19:37):
Yeah, I think it's about everything else outside of Aaron
Rodgers in this scenario, Like when when I think a
major point, a good point is how do they finish
out this season? Well, I think a lot of those players,
if you're really looking at this team and how serious
in nature the situation is for the Jets to win,
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they would they should have been thinking about, well, how
important it was to win before you got to the
point of now looking at how important it is to
win and meaning that to get to three wins over
the course of nine games. I believe it's nine games.
What they're three and six? I believe maybe three and six, right,
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three and six maybe. Anyway, the point is that they've
lost at such a rapid clip three and seven, three
and seven, Okay, they've lost that such a rapid clip
at this point. The sad thing about all of this
is you'll find that they'll lose some of these games
that they weren't even supposed to lose because some of
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these guys are their minds are wondering their self preservation.
Guys don't want to get hurt, whatever it may be,
and they'll mess around and they'll lose some of these
games that they shouldn't lose, like say, for instance, losing
too you know, I don't know, like say, I don't
know good something like a Jacksonville Jaguire game could sneak
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up on them. You know, I really do look at
it from the standpoint of if if we're basing it
off of how they finished this season, and I don't
believe they're going to finish with more Again, I capped
them off at nine, y'all went a little lower. Go figure.
I capped them off at nine. I wouldn't be surprised
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if they only win two or three more games. So
if they're at six seven wins for the season, they're
definitely bringing in a new head coach. Now the question becomes, what,
like Q, you probably noticed, what is the implications of
releasing Aaron Rodgers? Because I seriously doubt that there's a
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tremendous amount of trade value for what it would take
to get Aaron Rodgers through a trade. I would rather
wait and see if they releasing he's got a no
trade clause. So even if someone came out, he would
have to agreed to it.
Speaker 3 (22:01):
Oh yeah, I think in that case he'd probably rather rech.
Speaker 2 (22:03):
What is the hit against their cap? Is it? Is
it a significant hit? Yeah?
Speaker 3 (22:08):
The Jets are gonna have to carry a dead cap
hit of over sixty six million.
Speaker 2 (22:11):
That's high.
Speaker 3 (22:12):
So that that's but that's regardless of if there's a
trade scenario. That wouldn't really transition over. He only carries
a seventeen a little over seventeen million dollar cap hit
for next excuse me a little, okay, reading the wrong year.
It's a forty nine million dollar dead cap hit next year. Okay,
his cap hit if someone was to trade for him
and he agreed to it, in that instance, it would
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be about a little over twenty three million, about twenty
three and a half half.
Speaker 2 (22:38):
They're going to try to trade him. They're going to
try the case because again because they can try, but
like he can just say, well, I'm going to retire
then and now you don't have him, you don't get
an asset back for him, and you're still eating the
dead cap. You gotta pay him or do you it's
just a cap because what he's not.
Speaker 3 (22:56):
Yeah, they've already guaranteed that money still and those money Stone, Yes,
paid it out through like a signing bone.
Speaker 2 (23:02):
He doesn't play.
Speaker 3 (23:03):
Uh yeah, he was guaranteed seventy five million at signing.
I don't try to look for the signing bonus numbers.
Speaker 2 (23:11):
I have to go back and look through this. But man,
there's a lot of trapping going on. Let me tell
you something. God bless all of you quarterbacks, because y'all
out here trapping, like this is what you call trapping.
What Deshaun Watson did, trapping what sounds like from Aaron
Rodgers trapping, Dak Prescott his latest contract, trapping Like, there's
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a lot of trapping going on out here, Trevor Lawrence trapping.
I mean, all I would say is this, if that's
the If that's the scenario that plays out, is that
you're stuck with Aaron Rodgers, which is crazy to say
at this point. If you're stuck with Aaron Rodgers, I'm
not taking the New York Jets coaching job. I'm not
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doing it because all you're doing is is rolling the
dice on. If this man plays well, then I have
a tap bit. I survived the year. I just don't
unless he's a close friend of Aaron Rodgers. I just
don't see a quality coach wanting to take that job
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under these circumstances, which means it's more about the team
and the Jets and how they want to handle this
scenario versus Aaron Rodgers.
Speaker 4 (24:27):
Yeah, but if you're going quarterback early in the draft,
if they're picking in the top five, let's say, or
they're picking in the top ten, you're most likely going
to end up with a quarterback there. Like, it's not
the worst situation in the world to have Rogers be
the veteran ahead of that young.
Speaker 2 (24:42):
I think, if you know Aaron Rodgers, I do not
think that it's a healthy situation, knowing his influence over
Woody Johnson in that scenario, I do not think it's
a healthy situation for a coach to have a fear
opportunity to have success.
Speaker 4 (24:59):
I think Rogers understands that he's lost all ability to
just dictate everything at his I don't think so. I
think he's I think he's more realistic at this point,
I really do. I think he looks at it and goes, yeah,
so I've got one year left. I'm going to be
a great mentor to this guy like I was for
Jordan Love and like you know, Brett Favre was.
Speaker 2 (25:19):
He didn't like that. He didn't like the fact that
Jordan Love, he didn't like the fact that they ever
brought in any quarterbacks while he was there. He didn't
like it. Yeah, but this is a different time, like
this is Aaron Rodgers.
Speaker 3 (25:31):
I also think there's an element And because because Ben
Roethlisberger felt the same. Remember when they drafted was it Mason.
Speaker 4 (25:37):
And he called into a weekend sports show in Pittsburgh
to complain about.
Speaker 3 (25:41):
It, Because at that point in their career, there's there's
still playing at high level. Rodgers was still winning MVPs,
and and yet instead of drafting to support him, they
drafted to replace him. So of course that tick you off.
It looks maybe he feels different now at this point
time in his career, but I don't think so. I
I think you can to your point. I think you
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can make the case that because of how this year
is god like, they need more help than ever. I mean,
and they've obviously have tried to Levante Adams.
Speaker 2 (26:10):
They're going to get he's They're going to look at
it as get him more help versus get him his replacement.
His replacement is not his help. Not in his mind.
He's not going to interpret that as well and help.
Speaker 3 (26:20):
The other thing is is you're assuming they're in a
position to take who is something they feel really good
about a quarterback, I mean outside of Shador Sanders. Yeah,
it starts to kind of drop off with how some
of the guys have played. Now canm have Ward's up there?
But as I said before, some people will feel like, oh,
is he you know, big enough to a stand you know,
seventeen games, YadA, YadA, YadA, once we get to that
time of the year. I'm just telling you now. You
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can shoot the messenger all you want, but these are
some of the things that I see and this is
how this works.
Speaker 2 (26:47):
Have been through the.
Speaker 3 (26:48):
Process, this is where it's going. So they're going to
start to look at Carson Beck, for example, if he
declares and comes out and they're gonna say, you know,
make poor decisions, some bad games. He's not played up
to the level that he did the second half of
last year where people started look at him as potentially
the number one overall quarterback, and in particular the last
three four games, it's been bad, bad, I mean this
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is some really poor performances. Now he hasn't gotten help
and the old lines was a mess in particular last week,
but still that's going to hurt him. You know, cam
Moore have talked about the size, but also and this
is what one scale said to me. They said, well,
we don't feel like he plays within the confines of
the offense you have to in the NFL to succeed,
and that's true, but you also have to have that
special ability to create and make plays, which he does.
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And I also feel like his poise and composure in
so many tight situations like we've seen this year have
led him to have success and a comebacks wins versus
Cow and Virginia Tec and others. So, you know, I'm
a big fan of cam Ward. I don't see it
the same way other people do. But those are just
some of the conversations about it. So the question then becomes,
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if you are the Jets, are you just going to
take a quarterback to take a quarterback? If you don't
really feel that good about it, you know, you might say,
let's go take a guy we know can start player
for the future, and then we can you know, look
to take a quarterback where we feel like we need
one because we don't feel like we need one right now. Yeah,
I think that's a very likely scenario for the Jets.
Speaker 2 (28:15):
And what's crazy is how do you come away feeling
positive that that's how you should feel with the way
this team is playing currently, you know, and then you
gotta think like you're wasting valuable time because this now
will be what year four for guys like sos Gardner.
There's guys that are You're probably going to want to
restructure their contracts at some point, like you're not going
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to be able to hold this amount of talent on
one roster too much longer. I just don't. I don't
see it that way. I mean, you're wasting time.
Speaker 4 (28:47):
I just think to have this discussion, why your hand up? Like,
because to have this discussion and not bring up the
fact that Greg's are line ruined this year for the
New York Jets, I think is unfair to all parties involved.
Speaker 2 (29:01):
Okay, it's something two different conversations before and after Greg's
are locked.
Speaker 3 (29:06):
They still have lots this will this will come down
to this because there's nothing I mean, maybe they could
restructure a little bit of Roger's capit to reduce the
twenty three and a half million if they feel like
he's the guy next year and there and they're all
in for one more year. Like I think one of
the more likely scenarios is Jeff Albright ends up being
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the head coach into next year. They kind of keep
things as it is. He could try to go all
in one more year and then at that point they
break down rebuild. I could be one hundred percent wrong,
but they're gonna have thirty four million in cap space.
That's not including whatever additional cap savings that they could
potentially have or any restructurings that lead to that. So
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to your point about Sauce Gardner and the others, they
could restructure those contents or excuse me, extend them. But
what Johnson's gonna have to pay a decent amount of cash.
He's gonna have to pay out more cash to those guys,
so rightfully, so they're very deserving of it. And I
think you know, when you talk about you know which
guys are gonna be paying out or rich guys you
have to extend. Those are the guys who are building
blocks right Like, they're not going anywhere there should be
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jets for over ten years, whether it's Quinn Williams, Sasscartan whoever.
So that's the one good thing about it is I
think I think if you are paying those guys, you
feel good about having those guys in your roster.
Speaker 2 (30:24):
With life after Rogers, you know what.
Speaker 4 (30:26):
This situation Well, I was just gonna say, so basically,
do what the Raiders are probably gonna do. You keep
ap for another year after he's the interim guy, and
then you just blow everything out and make some changes
after this.
Speaker 2 (30:38):
That isn't what's happened.
Speaker 4 (30:39):
Geez well, I'm just saying that's probably what's gonna happen.
You know, it's a situation. This, this is what this
situation in New York feels like. Lee, you were there
with me. The situation feels like you're at the table
and when when you brought Aaron Rodgers in, you were up,
like felt good about it. You were winning, You made
a great decision. This is going to change your outcomes.
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Everything everything is.
Speaker 2 (31:03):
Made right, and then you start to see losses. You
start to see things not go the way that you
thought they were going to go right. But you're looking
at how much you have you're looking at what you
could when you're looking at the possibilities, And what did
I keep doing? Lee? What'd you keep doing? Kept on playing,
kept on playing. That's what this situation reminds me of.
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Woody Johnson has a situation where he's sitting at the table.
He should pick his chips up and effing run away
from the table, but he's faced with the idea of
you know, what kept me at that table is the
potential and the possibilities of knowing that this is a
fifty to fifty proposition, and by a stroke of maybe fate,
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a stroke of luck, me staying in there one more
hand changes my outcomes. It changes everything about what this
moment in time represents. You know what else? Keep shit
the table?
Speaker 4 (31:59):
What some somebody walks behind you as you're getting ready
to leave?
Speaker 2 (32:03):
What what?
Speaker 4 (32:04):
Cocktails?
Speaker 2 (32:05):
And then you have another one and they just keep
you there? No, that's more Lee. We did drink a
lot that that day though.
Speaker 4 (32:12):
Yes, you're smoking, you guys, you're smoking cigar and we
were smoking at eleven in the morning.
Speaker 2 (32:18):
Slept after the show with one note. It's uh.
Speaker 3 (32:22):
The Jets will have the second oldest roster in the NFL.
Next year, assuming Rogers does come back, which obviously inflates
that number.
Speaker 2 (32:29):
Who's got the oldest the San Francisco forty nine ers,
No kidding?
Speaker 3 (32:33):
Yeah, yeah, their average age is twenty eight years old.
Speaker 2 (32:37):
Yeah, this might be it for them to might be
hit last year was it for them? Might be boys
the men. Although we come to the end of the road,
we have come, yeah to the road, still lacking go
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we got alpha he's gonna talk about.
Speaker 1 (33:03):
Be sure to catch live editions of Two Pros and
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Speaker 4 (33:13):
We welcome in Albert Breer, senior NFL reporter, lead content
strategist at the MMQB, also the star of Amazon's Thursday
night football coverage.
Speaker 2 (33:24):
AB. What's happening?
Speaker 5 (33:25):
How you doing?
Speaker 2 (33:28):
All right?
Speaker 4 (33:28):
So let's start with the most noisy franchise in the
league this week, and that would go to the Chicago Bears.
What the Hell's going on there? Like it feels like
everything has become unraveled over the past couple of weeks,
Like where do where are they at? With Caleb Williams
and the reporting that's out there that some veterans went
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to the coaching staff to have him benched. What have
you heard about that situation?
Speaker 8 (33:55):
Yeah, I mean I think right now, it's a number
of different things going wrong at once. You know, the scheme,
you know, where they were from a development standpoint with him,
like all of it, you know, And I I think
there was you know, like quite honestly, like I didn't
see on the staff if we're going back to January
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and February, they really didn't have anybody outside of Thomas
Brown who'd worked with the rookie quarterback before.
Speaker 5 (34:23):
And at least one who's starting.
Speaker 8 (34:25):
And you know Thomas Brown's experiences one year with Bryce
Young which didn't go great last year. So you know,
I think just kind of digging through it, talking to
people there, talking to some of their opponents. You know,
maybe he wasn't as developed as as they had hoped
coming into the pros.
Speaker 5 (34:44):
And then.
Speaker 8 (34:46):
You know, like some of the stuff they were doing
with him over the last over the last over the
last couple of months, it stopped working.
Speaker 5 (34:54):
And you know, they were trying to.
Speaker 8 (34:56):
Create layups for him by by by by rolling them
out and moving them around and you know, that was
actually kind of curtailing as playmaking ability because you know,
cut off half the field, it makes it easier for
the defense attenion when you play on straight dropbacks, you know,
like defenses could see the wheels and his head turning.
Speaker 5 (35:14):
It just wasn't good all the way around. And I
don't know how.
Speaker 8 (35:17):
Much of that falls the feet of Caleb, how much
of that falls to the feet of the coaches, maybe
not doing enough to meet him half halfway from from
a scheme standpoint, But you know, it looked pretty good
until a few weeks ago, and it's all really kind
of come unraveled since.
Speaker 3 (35:33):
Albert we're just about New York Jets rogers, the potential
of him coming back next year, how much of it
is a contingent upon him versus who they hires head coach.
Does Jeff Albright have a chance at getting this thing
for another year even though they obviously have not been
able to win a bunch of games.
Speaker 8 (35:54):
I'm like, I think, like I would say, like the
the way that one's trending is towards a complete and
a complete reset. There are a lot of people that
I've talked to that that feel like Woody Johnson is
going to debt and may the entire operation and start
over again. Now, Like part of that like is, you know,
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if you look at the contracts with some of those guys,
like Joe Douglas is in the final year of his
contract of a six year deal that he did the
way back in twenty nineteen, you know, you look at
like some of the age on the roster that's there,
you know, So I like, what's what's a little less
certain is what's going to look like coming out of
the year where you know, are you going to hire
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football as are first or are you going to hire
a head coach and then let let the head coach
hire people hire a head coach and build around the
head coach like that. I don't think that there's you know,
real answers on where that's going right now, but it
does feel like that things are trending towards a pretty
pretty thorough reset. Now can they do things to change.
Speaker 5 (36:59):
That if they catch fire here over the next you.
Speaker 8 (37:02):
Know, two months and seeking into the playoffs or at
least make it competitive and Aaron Rodgers society wants to
come back. Sure, you know, that's that's still out there
for him. But I'd say, you know where it stands
right now, it certainly looks like it's trending towards a
you know, pretty thorough reset there in twenty twenty five.
Speaker 2 (37:19):
What's what the reset in Indianapolis? Why why the sudden
change of hard a being like all of a sudden, No,
he's in, he's in the meetings, he's he's present, he's
he's become such a great pro in like a matter
of a few days. What like, what what's the change
of heart?
Speaker 8 (37:34):
I think I think there's some competing interest in that building,
and I think it's like sort of the now versus
you know, the future of the franchise. And now I'm
staying invested in Anthony Richardson, and you know, really like
I think the tiebreaker, you know, LeVar, over the last
month has come down to what's bets for the team,
you know, and what they can sell to the locker room.
Speaker 5 (37:55):
And you know, I think a few weeks.
Speaker 8 (37:57):
Ago had gotten to the point where, you know, I
think what the players were looking at was, you know,
Anthony Richardson can't run the offense at a high level.
Speaker 5 (38:07):
And Joe Flacco has shown evidence that he could, and there.
Speaker 8 (38:09):
Was a real gap there, right, So it's like how
much longer are you going to be able to sell
Anthony richards into the locker room when you know, you've
got Joe Flacco over here, who looked like he could
get more out of Michael Pittman, out of Alec Pearce,
out of Jonathan Taylor, all the guys in that locker room.
And you know, over the last couple of weeks, like
now that's flipped, you know, and Flacco didn't look very
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good on Sunday, and so now you're back to well,
if there isn't like a real gap.
Speaker 5 (38:37):
Between the two, then you go with the younger guys.
So I think it's really that simple. It is the
best way to do business.
Speaker 8 (38:44):
Maybe not, you know, but I think for Shane Stike
and this is sort of boiled down to, you know,
kind of judging this by what's going on on the field.
And again, like a couple of weeks ago, I think
there was.
Speaker 9 (38:56):
A pretty significant gap between between Flacoll and richardson which
sort of forced the coach's hand and put them in
a position where it was like, Okay, we got to
play Joe Flacco to give the rest of the guys
out there a chance.
Speaker 5 (39:10):
And you know, obviously now.
Speaker 8 (39:12):
It looks like that's slipped where maybe Flacco has kind
of come back to the mean. And now do you
have a reason to play Richardson because Placo doesn't maybe
provide you the answers that you thought he would.
Speaker 4 (39:24):
He is Albert Brier, Amazon NFL on Prime Insider, senior
NFL reporter, lead content strategist at the MMQB joining us
here on Fox Sports Radio. How likely is it and
obviously you're going to be there with the Commanders and
the Eagles later on tonight for Amazon, But how likely
is it that Cliff Kingsbury is a one and done
offensive coordinator in Washington?
Speaker 5 (39:46):
I don't think what does that out there?
Speaker 4 (39:48):
Well, no, I'm just saying meaning he's going to get
another opportunity to be Oh.
Speaker 5 (39:52):
I was like, I was like, do you know something
I don't know?
Speaker 2 (39:54):
No, So he's done all right for himself.
Speaker 8 (39:57):
Yeah, I like, I obviously close to a fantastic a
job there. Yeah, I would say that there's a possibility
of it, Like I now, I mean, like you know
how many jobs are open, you know, like what sorts
of situations are those? Like I don't know that he's
going to rush to to go to his next opportunity,
but you know, I think you certainly look at the
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job that he's done with Jayden Daniels if you look
back on like you know, they were able to get
to the playoffs, so Kyler Murray in their third year
together there. So he's been a playoffs, you know, head
coach in the NFL. The experience of the quarterbacks being
able to marry, you know, like what you're seeing at
the college level with what works in the pros, you know,
even like just down to the scheme stuff, Like I know,
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one of the reasons why dan Quinn hired him was
because he felt like close offense was unique and hard
to prepare for and hard to deal with. You know. Now,
it might not be the most complex offense in the NFL,
but it does present problems that really don't exist with
other teams. And I think you're seeing that in Washington
now so quick. I have a lot going for him,
no question, and my feeling would be that he probably
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probably will have a couple opportunities at least to interview
and you see where it goes from there.
Speaker 3 (41:12):
Albert, I want to ask you just at this point
the season, who do you give the MVP to? I
feel like, you know, Lamar Jackson to me, should be
the front runner. However, I feel like people sometimes get
fatigued when when his stats wild better than what he
had last year, but everyone shares to attributed to some
degree to the postseason success. What have you know, it's
a regular season award. Would you be fine? By the way,
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are you being a voter for that? I'm even sure
if you are.
Speaker 5 (41:37):
I'm not a vote.
Speaker 8 (41:38):
No, I'm not a voter, but I think like Lamar
would probably have my vote right now. I do think
there are a number of good candidates though, like I
Lamar like to me, Lamar keeps evolving, you know what
I mean? Like and Lamar keeps growing his game, and
I think like this year he may deserve it more
than he deserved it last year or in nineteen and
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you know, like that stay just that word value. You know,
the Ravens have gone through a lot of change. Sixty
percent of his offensive line from last year's gone, Like,
that's a lot of veteran infrastructure that they lost, and
Kevin Zeitler, Morgan Moses, and John Simpson being gone. So
they're turning over, you know, like sixty percent of his
offensive line. They're breaking Derrick Henry in as a new tailback.
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Now that's obviously become a big plus, but that was
an adjustment at the beginning.
Speaker 5 (42:25):
Too, you know.
Speaker 8 (42:27):
And then defensively, they lose Mike McDonald as their DC.
They're going with younger edge players Patrick Queen's being replaced
by Trent and Simpson, and there have been bumps on
that side of the ball. And so I think Lamar
has had to be better on a game to game
basis for them to be as good as they are,
you know, Whereas like I think in the past, maybe
the teams he was playing on were a little bit
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more complete. So yeah, I think Lamar absolutely deserves to
be the front runner for MVP. And I think you're
right that there's that fatigue thing. It's like the old
Michael Jordan thing, Like he could have been the MVP
any year in the nineties, you know, but it was like,
when do you actually give it to him? Sometimes people
are hesitant if they've already given the MVP to someone,
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you know once, then you give to them twice, twice,
you give them to them three times because you know,
there's an elevated status as someone gets when they're a
two time or a three time or a four time
m VT. But he certainly deserves, deserves, deserves to be
right there at the top of the list, and I
think Josh Allen deserves to be there with him too, just.
Speaker 5 (43:28):
You know, based on again, like the attrition.
Speaker 8 (43:31):
In Buffalo, and you know, no Steph Diggs, no Mix Morris,
no Michael High, no Jordan Boyer, no Tredavius White. You
know they're right there and at seven and two and
ready to bring the Chiefs into to Buffalo for a
game that could wind up having a having weight on
who winds up with a number one seed. I think,
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you know, Josh Allen's had a pretty crazy year two
So those two I think would be at.
Speaker 5 (43:55):
The top of the list.
Speaker 8 (43:56):
BI golf deserves mentioned too. The only thing about golf
just sort of the inverse of that, right like where
there was that one game, that Titans game where they
had nine net passing yards and forty two points. You know,
it's a Detroit team that is capable of winning so
many different ways. So Charen's played incredible the five picks
last week notwithstanding, but you know, like, do you grade
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that on a cur because he's playing for a team
that's so complete.
Speaker 2 (44:23):
Let's stay in that laying right there. Maybe for my
last question in terms of getting that type of award,
I feel like, honestly, hands down, I think it's a
shame that success isn't rewarded for Coach of the Year.
I think I think Andy Reid has shown that he
should be the Coach of the Year this year by
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the way he's been able to win in Kansas City,
the way that he has. They just continue to do
what they do. But I will also say I love
the fact that I'm hearing Mike Tomlin being thrown out
there now after the switch to russ So Wilson. Me
being a Pittsburgh fan and a Tomlin fan, who do
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you think, like, who right now do you think is
the front runner for that award?
Speaker 5 (45:09):
There are a lot of good candidates, you know.
Speaker 8 (45:12):
Tomlin definitely deserves I mean, I you know, like for
what he's achieved over the years, but this year in particular,
and having the stomach to go to to Russell Wilson
when he did, when a lot of people, including people
in his own buildings, thought it was the wrong thing
to do. He deserves a lot of credit. I mean,
you can't overlook Andy Reid. That's another one of those, like,
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you know, career accomplishment things. But like I think he
deserves to be in the mix. Campbell, like you said,
has done a great job. Kevin O'Connell, you know with Minnesota,
like for having lost maybe like the two I'd say maybe,
like maybe, except for Justin Jefferson, the two most important
players in that franchise over the last decade, and Kirk
Cousins and Danil Hunter, and they're seven and two and
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right in the mix with the Lions in the NAC North.
The one that I don't think it's enough credit that
I think deserves it at some point is Matt Lafleur
in Green Bay. I just think, like if you look
at like everything that he's done over the years now,
he's never won it, right, Like, but he coached Aaron
Rodgers to two MVP Awards. He managed that situation, you know,
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with with Rodgers in the front office, which as we
can see now, like isn't an easy thing, and.
Speaker 5 (46:24):
He retrofitted his offense for Rogers.
Speaker 8 (46:27):
At the same time he was developing Jordan Love behind him.
Speaker 5 (46:30):
And you know, there were a couple.
Speaker 8 (46:31):
Of games this year where I mean like the two
games at the beginning of year where where Jordan Love
was out where the Packers rushed for something like five
hundred yards, and you just think about that, like, you
take Jordan Love out, you put Malik Willis.
Speaker 5 (46:46):
In, and like, what's the other teams going to do?
Speaker 8 (46:49):
The other team's going to stack the box and try
to stop the run, and they're going to try to
put the ball in Malik mil Willis's hands. He had
somehow the Packers find a way to rush for five
hundred yards in those two teams. There's just like little
things like that that I really think what Floor deserves
to do. And we'll see what the record winds up being.
They're obviously behind the Vikings and the lines in the
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NFC North now, but he's another one that I think
is a good name.
Speaker 5 (47:12):
For the award.
Speaker 2 (47:13):
Albert Breer.
Speaker 4 (47:14):
Before I let you go, sorry to bury the lead,
but are you going to be at Wrigley Field for Ohio?
Speaker 2 (47:20):
I am not man, I am not well.
Speaker 8 (47:25):
I think Brady, you are supposed to at one point
and now you guys aren't.
Speaker 5 (47:28):
Is that right?
Speaker 3 (47:30):
Yes, which it's causing a big stir with the Ohio
State fans all these noon starts and everyone's blaming big
noon kickoff. Can I just make this PSA. Our pregame
show has zero involvement with these star times for Ohio
State will really enter their team for that matter. That
is a fox, that is a big ten, that is
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a big twelve. You know, media rights deal, METEA rights partner,
CBS and NBC, Like those are the players that make
a decision on that. Like Ohio State started at noon
last week, we weren't there. I'll State starting at noon
this week, We're not there. Like, we have nothing to
do with that. Yet our pregame show keeps taking the
brunt of all this. I mean, if you guys would
have thrown a Joel Clad thrown at Joel Clatt, Yeah,
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but he's calling the game like maybe he's.
Speaker 5 (48:15):
Over to Joel Clad.
Speaker 3 (48:17):
I'm just saying I hit with Tortillas and Lubbock and mean,
while they're like, yeah, the big noon f Big Noon,
because these noon starts were like, dude, we're not even
in your state right now.
Speaker 8 (48:28):
I mean you got to say, like you've been in
the shoe for a night game though, and like, I
mean that is a angry, awesome atmosphere for for a
night game, and it just there would at least be
like once a year or once every couple of years
there would be a massive game there. There was a
couple of years ago when Notre Dame came in right like,
and it's just I mean it is.
Speaker 3 (48:51):
Well, there's there's two issues with that. The one is,
you don't, guys don't have that great of a schedule
this year, So who had that game be Nebraska? I mean,
I you is I mean, it's not like you thought.
But by the way, just so people understand a lot
of these schedules, like the white out for Penn State
was scheduled back in September. So people want to act
like they're they're going to move around shift around games.
It's not easy to do that with the new big,
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big ten media rights deal. That's the first thing. The
second is, like, you didn't think, I you was going
to be a night game deal for you guys to
start the season. Okay, So like that's the hard part
is go talk to NBC then, because they're the ones
that are actually in that primetime slot that if your
Fox you want to move a game, you have to
deal with So I'm not trying to like pass the buck.
But a lot of people don't.
Speaker 5 (49:33):
Understand the media rights stealing.
Speaker 2 (49:36):
Well but again.
Speaker 3 (49:40):
Says and so you don't know the behind the scenes
of how hard it is to try to work with
a partner, let alone two that you have to move
around different games, those time slots and with the conference.
So the interesting for all the people that can plan,
it's like, well, like, what's what's the alternative? Then if
you like, talk to Ohio State, talk to the Big Ten,
that's who agreed.
Speaker 2 (49:59):
To this deal.
Speaker 8 (50:00):
I mean, for the record, yeah, for the record, Like
I didn't bring this up, Brady did. Like here's the
other thing I do. I do think part of it
is a result of like some things getting messed up
in the negotiation with a guy who is not working
as a Big ten anymore, who may be working in
Chicago now.
Speaker 3 (50:20):
So I think, I mean he was the commissioner.
Speaker 8 (50:23):
Right, yeah, And I think that that like it even
goes back to do you guys, like you guys remember
what happened with Penn State Michigan Boulevard.
Speaker 5 (50:31):
You probably remember this, right, Like.
Speaker 8 (50:32):
What happened last year where they had negotiated something that
like wasn't allowed like contractually with Big Ten teams, So
they had to move Michigan State Penn State to Ford
Field because they were they weren't they weren't allowed to
like play night games like after you know, daylight savings
or whatever.
Speaker 5 (50:50):
So like there were all.
Speaker 8 (50:51):
Kinds of things screwed up in the television deal.
Speaker 2 (50:53):
And for sure, I mean, like like the reason why.
Speaker 8 (50:58):
I will I'll also say this, like I don't I
don't think Joel and Gus would be averse to the
idea of calling Nebraska Ohio State at night, right, There's.
Speaker 3 (51:09):
Got to be a way, of course, Like everyone would
would want to have that atmosphere of that night game
all that we'd love to be at a place where
there's a night game. By the way, we did that
last year. We went to Boulder last year when it
was a night game. We went to Notre Dame USC
last year when it was a night game.
Speaker 8 (51:23):
I will say this, like I think one thing that
the NFL has done well is like over the last
few years, they've broken up like the conference affiliations so
they can do more things.
Speaker 5 (51:35):
Creatively with the schedule. So they're not hemmed in, you
know what I mean? Like exactly, I think the Big.
Speaker 8 (51:40):
Ten can take a page from that book, from that
playbook and saying, look like, yes, we signed the deals
to do this, but like let's just exercise some common
sense here, Like let's look at it, like why isn't Fox.
How about for this one week NBC you have the
noon game.
Speaker 5 (51:55):
And Fox you have the primetime game. You know what
I mean?
Speaker 8 (51:58):
Like, there's got to be a creative way where everybody
winds up a winner, where you're doing those things.
Speaker 5 (52:03):
For the good of the schools, for the good of
the conference, and for the good of the networks. There's
got to be a way to do.
Speaker 2 (52:08):
That, you'd hope.
Speaker 3 (52:09):
So, and by the way, the last thing quickly, we're
not in wrigularly this week because of permitting issues, the
cost of it, et cetera. But permitting issues with I
guess the city of Chicago.
Speaker 5 (52:18):
And is that right?
Speaker 3 (52:19):
Yeah, which goes to show you so we have to
break though out.
Speaker 8 (52:23):
But that's the thing is, that's the thing is like
how good would that be for Northwestern for Chicago to
have you guys there and yet.
Speaker 5 (52:31):
Just figure it out? You know what I mean, like,
just figure it out. I don't know.
Speaker 2 (52:34):
Well, AB, we appreciate it. We'll do it again next week.
Speaker 5 (52:38):
I beg
It is the best of two pros and a couple.
Joe with Lamar arings Brady Winn and Jonas Knox on
Fox four Radio.
Speaker 2 (00:13):
Oh yeah, baby, I mean that's some good riffing going on.
Yeah cool man Wood, Yeah, Q came in, Jim out
bro thirty six Crazy Fists. They're Braiden Fat with fat
five finger death punch.
Speaker 3 (00:30):
I was gonna say, and there's always some sort of
reference to something there.
Speaker 4 (00:34):
Well, I think thirty six Crazy Fish was a Jackie
Chan movie if I'm not mistaken, but this band.
Speaker 3 (00:40):
Lee, can we confirm that it was a thirty six
Crazy Fist, a Jackie Chan movie.
Speaker 4 (00:44):
I believe it was, all right, not then, No, not Jackie,
but well we know you think it was. Why Why
did I say Jackie Chan don't know?
Speaker 2 (00:50):
Bruce Lee?
Speaker 3 (00:51):
Oh wow, that's Jonas, Thank you sir.
Speaker 2 (01:00):
All right man, that is wow.
Speaker 3 (01:02):
Way to start the show, bro, I to start the show.
Speaker 2 (01:05):
I thought you came in, No.
Speaker 4 (01:06):
Because I know that was you broh sock and Jackie Chan,
isn't it.
Speaker 2 (01:12):
Yeah? I looked at the thirty six Crazy Face Jackie channing.
You should have stayed with Jackie Chang. Could you jacked it?
Up when you say it Bruce Lee.
Speaker 4 (01:19):
No, because I heard the story that the band told
and I knew that those two guys, like either one
or both were in it.
Speaker 3 (01:25):
So oh that sounds cool.
Speaker 4 (01:27):
No, what was the story, Just that that was where
they got the band name from. I'm not in the
into the movie and.
Speaker 3 (01:33):
Really original, right, you take it from a movie, That's
that's true.
Speaker 2 (01:36):
Listen, rock on, bro Hey, look at their decision. I'm
still stuck on the fact that Jonas said Jackie Chan
was Bruce Lee. But they're both the movie? Were they?
Jackie Chan was in a Bruce Lee movie? Thank you?
(01:56):
Bruce Lee wasn't in it? Good? Jeed good though? Whatever?
Speaker 5 (02:01):
All right? Good?
Speaker 2 (02:01):
That has two different generations. That is what it is, like.
I don't know.
Speaker 4 (02:05):
I never seen the movie, but the point is the
band's good, the song's DC.
Speaker 2 (02:11):
I'll be honest with you. I thought the song was
gonna be a.
Speaker 4 (02:14):
Little better when I sent it over, and the first
time I heard it, I was like, yeah, it doesn't
really work in this time slot.
Speaker 3 (02:19):
So it doesn't.
Speaker 2 (02:19):
Maybe it'll be short lived. Maybe I got more in
the whole story than your second guessing yourself now, huh, No,
just with the song.
Speaker 4 (02:25):
I heard it yesterday and I thought I thought it
would have punched a little bit more, but it just doesn't.
Speaker 2 (02:30):
So whatever, we'll figure it out.
Speaker 4 (02:32):
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change hearts. Things have changed in Indianapolis. You know, a
lot has gone on. There's been a couple of days
of real improved there from Anthony Richardson. He has really
(03:02):
shown that he is a different guy nowadays for the
Indianapolis Colts, so much so that he is now the
starting quarterback for the Colts yet again for the remainder
of the season. Here was the Colts head coach Shane
Stike in discussing the decision.
Speaker 6 (03:19):
I want to address, you know, Anthony's situation. You know,
I've said the process, the process for a long time,
and what I mean by that it's the attention to
detail and everything he does from the classrooms to the walkthroughs,
to practice, to the weight room, all those little things, right,
it just got to be at a higher standard.
Speaker 5 (03:38):
You know.
Speaker 6 (03:38):
Over the last two weeks, he's made strides in those areas,
big time strides, becoming a pros pro. He's a hell
of a talent. Like I've said, we've never lost faith
or belief in him and his abilities, and he's shown
strides he really has. And with that being said, he
will be our starter again. He's going to start this week.
He's going to start the rest of the season, all right,
(03:58):
and we're going to go from there.
Speaker 5 (04:00):
I know, decision with Jim.
Speaker 6 (04:03):
Yeah, I talked to Chris, I talked to Jim, I
talked to everybody.
Speaker 3 (04:06):
But ultimately is my decision.
Speaker 2 (04:08):
Oh there it goes again, There goes again.
Speaker 3 (04:11):
I know what this is.
Speaker 2 (04:12):
There it goes again. I know what this is. This
is who they playing this week? Do you guys know? Oh?
Speaker 3 (04:19):
God, they're they're at the New York Yeah. There, they've
lost three in a row. Okay, to keep any hopes
alive whatsoever. And if you're looking like, well, let's take
a step back and look at this from an organizational standpoint,
you need to find out what you have in Anthony Richardson.
He didn't start many games as a rookie. He only
(04:40):
played one year in college. In order for you to
see long term if he can be the guy, he's
got to play. So clearly what he did and maybe
what he was doing when you start hearing the coach
talk about the off the field stuff, the meeting's not
the extra stuff around it that the quarterback should be
(05:00):
doing that maybe he wasn't doing. It got to a
point where they had to sit him down. So now
it looks better, sounds better, But this also represents an
opportunity for them to be able to win a game
after coming off three straight losses. So it just kind
of is what it is. But I also think at
four and six, losing three in a row, they're have
(05:21):
an outside shot at winning their division, but not great.
You'd have to admit this is This season is about
seeing what you have in your quarterback position. Joe Flacco's
not the future, and with his play last week, I
think it led you to think, Okay, he is close
to forty years old and we need to put back
in there a guy who we need to figure some
(05:42):
stuff about. Because if we end up being a four
or five win team when it's all said and done.
This year, we're gonna have a shot at drafting a quarterback,
and we're gonna have to look at that long and hard.
If we're in a position to take a guy that
we might feel equally as good about, if not maybe better.
So that all those things are we could sit right now.
But you got to find out what you have and
anthe Richardson first.
Speaker 2 (06:03):
You know what I think sucks. What sucks is when
coaches at the pro level talk like a guy as
a kid, like he's a child, like that dude did
not become a professional in one week. That's cat that
you can you can.
Speaker 3 (06:25):
Break this down. I do have a question about this. So,
in all seriousness, is there any career in which you
could become a pro in one week? Hell no, Okay,
all right, I'm gonna challenge that. Go ahead, adult film,
you would still be an amateur. Yeah, but I mean
(06:46):
technically you're a provol but technically they're gonna list it
as amateur. Well I wouldn't know. I don't watch a
bunch of it. I'm just throwing it out.
Speaker 2 (06:54):
I'm just throwing it out there. Too. I could be
all the way wrong because I don't know that.
Speaker 4 (07:00):
I mean, it's about potential at that point, all right,
Like you've got to really like deliver.
Speaker 2 (07:05):
The like you got to like have a measurement requirement.
I don't know, or you know, I'm at those combines.
I don't know. And how does it work from gender
to gender? And then now in twenty twenty four where
you don't have to identify with the gender that you
were born as, I mean, how does that work? Oh,
that's a fair point. I'm just trying to understand since
since Q took us down a rabbit hole, and if
(07:27):
you can become a pro in a week in an
industry and get paid like that, I might be in
the wrong industry. That's all it is. It is I
might have to start looking at job opportunities in those spaces.
Speaker 3 (07:43):
I just like, all you needed was a camera to
let that thing go public. And once you start getting
paid off your your protest that is true? Is that
a wrong assumption?
Speaker 2 (07:52):
They call it amateur if it's not done by a
certain studio. Is what I've been told? Yeah, is what
That's what I've been told. You know, I've had I've
had conversations about porn before you know, what is adult
film all about? Like, you know, because I had to
(08:14):
have these conversations. You know why. I'm gonna tell you
how this all came about. And I had I had it.
I didn't have this particular conversation with my dad, but
my first conversation about adult films was with my dad.
Let me tell you why, Let me take you. Let
me take y'all down the Arrington rabbit hole. Son, So
(08:36):
growing up in the nineties, Son Wesley Pipe's flick is
out growing up in the nineties, the way cable worked,
like you only had so many channels, right, and then
cable came and then you had like you know, you
had channels, but you know that it was like TV
(08:56):
was vastly different in the nineties. And and so, I mean,
as I got older, I was like in like with
high school. Like I remember this was my ninth grade year,
my freshman year high school. I was in my basement
watching cable and fell asleep. I was watching a movie
and fell asleep. I woke up to moans and groans.
(09:19):
I was, in fact, I didn't wake up, I was
I was all woken by moans and groans, and I
was thoroughly confused. I was confused and I thought I
had did something wrong, so I wouldn't, you know, I
asked my dad the next morning. I'm like, I was like, Dad,
you know, I was I was watching. I don't even
(09:42):
remember I was watching, but I was watching something. And
I was like, Dad, I'm just telling you I didn't
do anything wrong, but I saw some some boobs. I
saw some like stuff going on, like you know, there
was like what's the word on all of this?
Speaker 5 (09:58):
You know?
Speaker 2 (10:00):
He was like, well, what channel are you watching? I
was like, I was watching Cinemax and he was like oh.
He was like, oh, well, see here's what happens. Right,
there's like a time frame son that there's a reason
why it's after dark, and and it's generally after people
(10:20):
who are in school. It wasn't ninth grade. It was
like seventh grade. It was like seventh grade because I
was active after that. I remember that, like things started
to happen after I saw that. Anyway, it's like seventh
eighth grade, seventh grade playing quite a bit, I'll be
honest with me. So he's like listen, like he's like,
you know, guys are supposed to be sleep and who's
(10:41):
ever awake at that time? And this is the funniest
junk because my dad used to hit me with funny
stuff like like when I heard PMS for the first
I was like, Dad, what is PMS mean? He said,
possible murder suspect. So anyway, hit us with like funny
stuff like that, right, And my dad's sid after dark
son is for married married husband, he said, after dark
(11:07):
is for married husbands. And he said, and you don't
need to know what that means until you get to
that place, but just understand you're not married, so you
need to go to sleep, and you need to go
to bed, and you need to be getting ready for
the next day whatever has in front of you. And
that was the conversation. That was the conversation. Now that
wasn't the what that separates adult from you know, or
(11:32):
pro from from amateur. But that was my introduction to
talking about porn though it's I don't know it was,
and I felt like it was hardcore porn, but they
say it's a soft cores you know. I don't know.
But but then once I got married, I understood what
he was talking about. And I do understand what possible
murder suspect represents as well. So shots out to all
(11:54):
the ladies. But I'm just saying this is kind of real. Yeah,
I mean it does that.
Speaker 4 (12:01):
That answered a lot of questions I've had over the
past three plus years.
Speaker 2 (12:04):
I think it's bull crap that Brady totally railroaded me
about the like throttle down on the fact that you
can't become a pro like you're going to throw it.
Might be right, you might be right. You might be
right out there, man, you might be right. But I
was say, in this case with Anthony Richardson, he did
(12:25):
not become a pro in one week. That's what I'm
gonna tell you. Yeah, I mean, unless it's hip thrusting
and he's got a chance that way. I don't know.
Maybe he did some real good hip thrusting. I mean,
this whole Diddy case has really shed a lot of
light on how people get to on the Diddy case,
I don't seen I've lost I mean, I've never had
(12:46):
interest in it, but I haven't been paying attention to it.
I don't know. It was just a funny little little zip,
a little bit, you know.
Speaker 4 (12:54):
A little dip, little little dip, you know, it is
when they're talking, when they make the decision that look,
this is for the foreseeable future.
Speaker 2 (13:03):
When it comes to Anthony Richardson.
Speaker 4 (13:05):
It's like four half and then like everyone's asking the
question like, hey, man, Joe Flacco doesn't look like the
same guy he was in Cleveland. Uh, you know you're
making a switch, Like no, he's gonna be our guy.
But man, what a difference forty eight plus hours makes,
because all of a sudden, Anthony Richardson.
Speaker 2 (13:21):
He's done everything right, He's been amazing, Like, come on, dude,
that's all the way. Cat Jim Ersay said exactly what
Q said, Like, bruh, I invested in this, dude. I
need to know what I get. Put him in the game, Yes,
I need put him in the game. He better stop
playing games around him.
Speaker 4 (13:39):
He basically missed last year because of health and he's
missing this year because of health and needing to take
a rest in the middle of a game. Like, I
got to get some answers here so we know what
direction we're going in.
Speaker 2 (13:50):
The office, he's stinking hey, hey, stinking ass, is it
going to be you or is it going to be Richardson?
We better find out and we better find out.
Speaker 4 (13:59):
So, like there's no way Shane Stiking legitimately believes that
anybody's gonna buy that guard like my zinger, like my bit.
Speaker 2 (14:10):
Because what he's doing right now, he ain't saying Stiking,
he's shanginking.
Speaker 4 (14:14):
I just like, does he really think anybody's buying that?
Like everybody understands like what the reality is. And so
now you know, Anthony Richardson's gonna be the guy, And
I mean, at least we're gonna get some answers if.
Speaker 2 (14:27):
He stays healthy by the end of the season.
Speaker 3 (14:29):
To Levar's point, though, this literally sounded like a parent
teacher meaning I had recently from my kindergarten. Yeah, I mean,
she's been doing so well all the things that we
ask her to do that she's she's bringing in her stuff,
she's putting her stuff away in her cubby, she's washing
her hands, she's making sure to be a good listener.
(14:52):
In all seriousness, isn't that part of the process when
you're going through evaluating quarterbacks from college to the NFL,
Like those are the intangibles that you should already know, whether.
Speaker 2 (15:05):
Or not already have a fix on it.
Speaker 3 (15:09):
If you know the guy isn't doing that in college
in granted one year starting, but still, if you know that,
then what makes you think he's gonna change once he
gets money because he's incentivized too.
Speaker 2 (15:22):
And if something doesn't and if something doesn't make sense
to you, then you don't invest that high of a
draft pick in it. Now, you when you invest that
high of a draft pick, you're saying, this is a
guy that is going to help and change our our.
Speaker 4 (15:36):
Football team or make our football team better. Yeah, but
that throw against Houston Week one, I don't know that
that might cancel out everything he's ever done wrong in
his life.
Speaker 2 (15:47):
Well, Jim Meyersay certainly feels that way. This does. It
was my decision. No, it wasn't stinking you stink damn.
That was Jim's decision. We ain't heard jack from from
Jim bad Away. I ain't heard nothing from Jim. You
usually hear something. He'll usually pop up here and there
(16:07):
during the course of a year. Wait, I heard nothing
from Jim Hersey.
Speaker 4 (16:11):
It was usually busy from about two to seven hang
each week, leaning on that tree I don't know, singing
that song I don't know, with just boots and the
cowboy hat, on in a Jocks Draft.
Speaker 1 (16:22):
Be sure to catch live editions of Two Pros and
a Cup of Joe with Brady Quinn, LeVar Errington, and
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Speaker 4 (16:36):
So Week eleven in the NFL kicks off later on tonight,
we're gonna have more on that with Albert Breer. Fun matchup,
fun game. We got the Commanders and the Eagles taking
place later on. That was part of Quinn's wins, which
you can hear if you listen back on the podcast.
Somebody who you know has got a few weeks left
in their season, potentially their career is the one and
(16:57):
only Aaron Rodgers. Aaron Rodgers spoke about the potential of
wanting to come back and play next season despite.
Speaker 2 (17:06):
All the struggles from this year, and had this to.
Speaker 3 (17:09):
Say, You've talked about wanting to play be this year
here fourth has the way this season gone for you
or as a team?
Speaker 1 (17:16):
Change stock thought at all?
Speaker 2 (17:18):
Not really?
Speaker 7 (17:18):
Not not for the negative, No, not really. If you
don't want to play as he does at twenty five,
I think so, Yeah, how.
Speaker 2 (17:23):
Do you feel about how you played this year?
Speaker 5 (17:25):
Are you playing the way you thought you didn't play
coming back from every day?
Speaker 7 (17:29):
No, I mean I'm not playing as well as I
would have liked to play, for sure. The beauty in
this game is it's a team game. The frustrating part
is that you know, if you if you're a great competitor,
you old yourself to a standard and and it's not unrealistic.
And I haven't having recess standard this year.
Speaker 4 (17:48):
So do you believe Rogers comes back and his quarterbacking
for the Jets next year? Because even if he does,
my thought is they're still drafting a quarterback. They're going
to be picking high in that. I can't imagine they
would go another year and not address the situation long term.
But I just wonder, you're gonna have a new coach.
Do they want to deal with all that? It hasn't
(18:11):
been smooth. I know DeVante Adams is going to be there.
Are they running this thing back for one final chapter
in Aaron Rodgers' career?
Speaker 3 (18:19):
Don't you guys wonder though, if that factors into his decision.
I mean, there's a lot of things that are up
in the air. Who's going to be their head coach?
If they come to him and they say we're going
to draft a quarterback to eventually replace you, there's that
thought too, right. You know, maybe that deters him from
wanting to come back because if he's playing the way
(18:40):
he is now, next year, whoever they draft, people are
gonna be clamoring for him, and he's probably thinking to myself, like,
do I really want to deal with that? I mean,
I'm a first ballot Hall of Famer and this is
how I'm gonna go out. So I don't know. It's
I think he'll come because I don't think he wants
(19:01):
the season end the way this one seems like it's
going to. I mean, even if they won out, I'm
not sure they would make the playoffs. So that's the
tough part is there's still so much football left to
be played. The topic is probably a better conversation like
four weeks when we have a more definitive answer of
where they're at, or maybe just a week from now
they lose in this week, But those have to be
(19:25):
some of the factors. It's got to be about who's
the head coach? Are you gonna draft on it? If
you do, are you being frank with me?
Speaker 5 (19:31):
Up?
Speaker 3 (19:31):
Front about it, what's the plan for that and does
you want to have to deal with that heading into
twenty twenty five possibly his last year.
Speaker 2 (19:37):
Yeah, I think it's about everything else outside of Aaron
Rodgers in this scenario, Like when when I think a
major point, a good point is how do they finish
out this season? Well, I think a lot of those players,
if you're really looking at this team and how serious
in nature the situation is for the Jets to win,
(19:58):
they would they should have been thinking about, well, how
important it was to win before you got to the
point of now looking at how important it is to
win and meaning that to get to three wins over
the course of nine games. I believe it's nine games.
What they're three and six? I believe maybe three and six, right,
(20:19):
three and six maybe. Anyway, the point is that they've
lost at such a rapid clip three and seven, three
and seven, Okay, they've lost that such a rapid clip
at this point. The sad thing about all of this
is you'll find that they'll lose some of these games
that they weren't even supposed to lose because some of
(20:42):
these guys are their minds are wondering their self preservation.
Guys don't want to get hurt, whatever it may be,
and they'll mess around and they'll lose some of these
games that they shouldn't lose, like say, for instance, losing
too you know, I don't know, like say, I don't
know good something like a Jacksonville Jaguire game could sneak
(21:05):
up on them. You know, I really do look at
it from the standpoint of if if we're basing it
off of how they finished this season, and I don't
believe they're going to finish with more Again, I capped
them off at nine, y'all went a little lower. Go figure.
I capped them off at nine. I wouldn't be surprised
(21:26):
if they only win two or three more games. So
if they're at six seven wins for the season, they're
definitely bringing in a new head coach. Now the question becomes, what,
like Q, you probably noticed, what is the implications of
releasing Aaron Rodgers? Because I seriously doubt that there's a
(21:47):
tremendous amount of trade value for what it would take
to get Aaron Rodgers through a trade. I would rather
wait and see if they releasing he's got a no
trade clause. So even if someone came out, he would
have to agreed to it.
Speaker 3 (22:01):
Oh yeah, I think in that case he'd probably rather rech.
Speaker 2 (22:03):
What is the hit against their cap? Is it? Is
it a significant hit? Yeah?
Speaker 3 (22:08):
The Jets are gonna have to carry a dead cap
hit of over sixty six million.
Speaker 2 (22:11):
That's high.
Speaker 3 (22:12):
So that that's but that's regardless of if there's a
trade scenario. That wouldn't really transition over. He only carries
a seventeen a little over seventeen million dollar cap hit
for next excuse me a little, okay, reading the wrong year.
It's a forty nine million dollar dead cap hit next year. Okay,
his cap hit if someone was to trade for him
and he agreed to it, in that instance, it would
(22:35):
be about a little over twenty three million, about twenty
three and a half half.
Speaker 2 (22:38):
They're going to try to trade him. They're going to
try the case because again because they can try, but
like he can just say, well, I'm going to retire
then and now you don't have him, you don't get
an asset back for him, and you're still eating the
dead cap. You gotta pay him or do you it's
just a cap because what he's not.
Speaker 3 (22:56):
Yeah, they've already guaranteed that money still and those money Stone, Yes,
paid it out through like a signing bone.
Speaker 2 (23:02):
He doesn't play.
Speaker 3 (23:03):
Uh yeah, he was guaranteed seventy five million at signing.
I don't try to look for the signing bonus numbers.
Speaker 2 (23:11):
I have to go back and look through this. But man,
there's a lot of trapping going on. Let me tell
you something. God bless all of you quarterbacks, because y'all
out here trapping, like this is what you call trapping.
What Deshaun Watson did, trapping what sounds like from Aaron
Rodgers trapping, Dak Prescott his latest contract, trapping Like, there's
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a lot of trapping going on out here, Trevor Lawrence trapping.
I mean, all I would say is this, if that's
the If that's the scenario that plays out, is that
you're stuck with Aaron Rodgers, which is crazy to say
at this point. If you're stuck with Aaron Rodgers, I'm
not taking the New York Jets coaching job. I'm not
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doing it because all you're doing is is rolling the
dice on. If this man plays well, then I have
a tap bit. I survived the year. I just don't
unless he's a close friend of Aaron Rodgers. I just
don't see a quality coach wanting to take that job
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under these circumstances, which means it's more about the team
and the Jets and how they want to handle this
scenario versus Aaron Rodgers.
Speaker 4 (24:27):
Yeah, but if you're going quarterback early in the draft,
if they're picking in the top five, let's say, or
they're picking in the top ten, you're most likely going
to end up with a quarterback there. Like, it's not
the worst situation in the world to have Rogers be
the veteran ahead of that young.
Speaker 2 (24:42):
I think, if you know Aaron Rodgers, I do not
think that it's a healthy situation, knowing his influence over
Woody Johnson in that scenario, I do not think it's
a healthy situation for a coach to have a fear
opportunity to have success.
Speaker 4 (24:59):
I think Rogers understands that he's lost all ability to
just dictate everything at his I don't think so. I
think he's I think he's more realistic at this point,
I really do. I think he looks at it and goes, yeah,
so I've got one year left. I'm going to be
a great mentor to this guy like I was for
Jordan Love and like you know, Brett Favre was.
Speaker 2 (25:19):
He didn't like that. He didn't like the fact that
Jordan Love, he didn't like the fact that they ever
brought in any quarterbacks while he was there. He didn't
like it. Yeah, but this is a different time, like
this is Aaron Rodgers.
Speaker 3 (25:31):
I also think there's an element And because because Ben
Roethlisberger felt the same. Remember when they drafted was it Mason.
Speaker 4 (25:37):
And he called into a weekend sports show in Pittsburgh
to complain about.
Speaker 3 (25:41):
It, Because at that point in their career, there's there's
still playing at high level. Rodgers was still winning MVPs,
and and yet instead of drafting to support him, they
drafted to replace him. So of course that tick you off.
It looks maybe he feels different now at this point
time in his career, but I don't think so. I
I think you can to your point. I think you
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can make the case that because of how this year
is god like, they need more help than ever. I mean,
and they've obviously have tried to Levante Adams.
Speaker 2 (26:10):
They're going to get he's They're going to look at
it as get him more help versus get him his replacement.
His replacement is not his help. Not in his mind.
He's not going to interpret that as well and help.
Speaker 3 (26:20):
The other thing is is you're assuming they're in a
position to take who is something they feel really good
about a quarterback, I mean outside of Shador Sanders. Yeah,
it starts to kind of drop off with how some
of the guys have played. Now canm have Ward's up there?
But as I said before, some people will feel like, oh,
is he you know, big enough to a stand you know,
seventeen games, YadA, YadA, YadA, once we get to that
time of the year. I'm just telling you now. You
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can shoot the messenger all you want, but these are
some of the things that I see and this is
how this works.
Speaker 2 (26:47):
Have been through the.
Speaker 3 (26:48):
Process, this is where it's going. So they're going to
start to look at Carson Beck, for example, if he
declares and comes out and they're gonna say, you know,
make poor decisions, some bad games. He's not played up
to the level that he did the second half of
last year where people started look at him as potentially
the number one overall quarterback, and in particular the last
three four games, it's been bad, bad, I mean this
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is some really poor performances. Now he hasn't gotten help
and the old lines was a mess in particular last week,
but still that's going to hurt him. You know, cam
Moore have talked about the size, but also and this
is what one scale said to me. They said, well,
we don't feel like he plays within the confines of
the offense you have to in the NFL to succeed,
and that's true, but you also have to have that
special ability to create and make plays, which he does.
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And I also feel like his poise and composure in
so many tight situations like we've seen this year have
led him to have success and a comebacks wins versus
Cow and Virginia Tec and others. So, you know, I'm
a big fan of cam Ward. I don't see it
the same way other people do. But those are just
some of the conversations about it. So the question then becomes,
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if you are the Jets, are you just going to
take a quarterback to take a quarterback? If you don't
really feel that good about it, you know, you might say,
let's go take a guy we know can start player
for the future, and then we can you know, look
to take a quarterback where we feel like we need
one because we don't feel like we need one right now. Yeah,
I think that's a very likely scenario for the Jets.
Speaker 2 (28:15):
And what's crazy is how do you come away feeling
positive that that's how you should feel with the way
this team is playing currently, you know, and then you
gotta think like you're wasting valuable time because this now
will be what year four for guys like sos Gardner.
There's guys that are You're probably going to want to
restructure their contracts at some point, like you're not going
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to be able to hold this amount of talent on
one roster too much longer. I just don't. I don't
see it that way. I mean, you're wasting time.
Speaker 4 (28:47):
I just think to have this discussion, why your hand up? Like,
because to have this discussion and not bring up the
fact that Greg's are line ruined this year for the
New York Jets, I think is unfair to all parties involved.
Speaker 2 (29:01):
Okay, it's something two different conversations before and after Greg's
are locked.
Speaker 3 (29:06):
They still have lots this will this will come down
to this because there's nothing I mean, maybe they could
restructure a little bit of Roger's capit to reduce the
twenty three and a half million if they feel like
he's the guy next year and there and they're all
in for one more year. Like I think one of
the more likely scenarios is Jeff Albright ends up being
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the head coach into next year. They kind of keep
things as it is. He could try to go all
in one more year and then at that point they
break down rebuild. I could be one hundred percent wrong,
but they're gonna have thirty four million in cap space.
That's not including whatever additional cap savings that they could
potentially have or any restructurings that lead to that. So
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to your point about Sauce Gardner and the others, they
could restructure those contents or excuse me, extend them. But
what Johnson's gonna have to pay a decent amount of cash.
He's gonna have to pay out more cash to those guys,
so rightfully, so they're very deserving of it. And I
think you know, when you talk about you know which
guys are gonna be paying out or rich guys you
have to extend. Those are the guys who are building
blocks right Like, they're not going anywhere there should be
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jets for over ten years, whether it's Quinn Williams, Sasscartan whoever.
So that's the one good thing about it is I
think I think if you are paying those guys, you
feel good about having those guys in your roster.
Speaker 2 (30:24):
With life after Rogers, you know what.
Speaker 4 (30:26):
This situation Well, I was just gonna say, so basically,
do what the Raiders are probably gonna do. You keep
ap for another year after he's the interim guy, and
then you just blow everything out and make some changes
after this.
Speaker 2 (30:38):
That isn't what's happened.
Speaker 4 (30:39):
Geez well, I'm just saying that's probably what's gonna happen.
You know, it's a situation. This, this is what this
situation in New York feels like. Lee, you were there
with me. The situation feels like you're at the table
and when when you brought Aaron Rodgers in, you were up,
like felt good about it. You were winning, You made
a great decision. This is going to change your outcomes.
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Everything everything is.
Speaker 2 (31:03):
Made right, and then you start to see losses. You
start to see things not go the way that you
thought they were going to go right. But you're looking
at how much you have you're looking at what you
could when you're looking at the possibilities, And what did
I keep doing? Lee? What'd you keep doing? Kept on playing,
kept on playing. That's what this situation reminds me of.
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Woody Johnson has a situation where he's sitting at the table.
He should pick his chips up and effing run away
from the table, but he's faced with the idea of
you know, what kept me at that table is the
potential and the possibilities of knowing that this is a
fifty to fifty proposition, and by a stroke of maybe fate,
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a stroke of luck, me staying in there one more
hand changes my outcomes. It changes everything about what this
moment in time represents. You know what else? Keep shit
the table?
Speaker 4 (31:59):
What some somebody walks behind you as you're getting ready
to leave?
Speaker 2 (32:03):
What what?
Speaker 4 (32:04):
Cocktails?
Speaker 2 (32:05):
And then you have another one and they just keep
you there? No, that's more Lee. We did drink a
lot that that day though.
Speaker 4 (32:12):
Yes, you're smoking, you guys, you're smoking cigar and we
were smoking at eleven in the morning.
Speaker 2 (32:18):
Slept after the show with one note. It's uh.
Speaker 3 (32:22):
The Jets will have the second oldest roster in the NFL.
Next year, assuming Rogers does come back, which obviously inflates
that number.
Speaker 2 (32:29):
Who's got the oldest the San Francisco forty nine ers,
No kidding?
Speaker 3 (32:33):
Yeah, yeah, their average age is twenty eight years old.
Speaker 2 (32:37):
Yeah, this might be it for them to might be
hit last year was it for them? Might be boys
the men. Although we come to the end of the road,
we have come, yeah to the road, still lacking go
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we got alpha he's gonna talk about.
Speaker 1 (33:03):
Be sure to catch live editions of Two Pros and
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Speaker 4 (33:13):
We welcome in Albert Breer, senior NFL reporter, lead content
strategist at the MMQB, also the star of Amazon's Thursday
night football coverage.
Speaker 2 (33:24):
AB. What's happening?
Speaker 5 (33:25):
How you doing?
Speaker 2 (33:28):
All right?
Speaker 4 (33:28):
So let's start with the most noisy franchise in the
league this week, and that would go to the Chicago Bears.
What the Hell's going on there? Like it feels like
everything has become unraveled over the past couple of weeks,
Like where do where are they at? With Caleb Williams
and the reporting that's out there that some veterans went
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to the coaching staff to have him benched. What have
you heard about that situation?
Speaker 8 (33:55):
Yeah, I mean I think right now, it's a number
of different things going wrong at once. You know, the scheme,
you know, where they were from a development standpoint with him,
like all of it, you know, And I I think
there was you know, like quite honestly, like I didn't
see on the staff if we're going back to January
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and February, they really didn't have anybody outside of Thomas
Brown who'd worked with the rookie quarterback before.
Speaker 5 (34:23):
And at least one who's starting.
Speaker 8 (34:25):
And you know Thomas Brown's experiences one year with Bryce
Young which didn't go great last year. So you know,
I think just kind of digging through it, talking to
people there, talking to some of their opponents. You know,
maybe he wasn't as developed as as they had hoped
coming into the pros.
Speaker 5 (34:44):
And then.
Speaker 8 (34:46):
You know, like some of the stuff they were doing
with him over the last over the last over the
last couple of months, it stopped working.
Speaker 5 (34:54):
And you know, they were trying to.
Speaker 8 (34:56):
Create layups for him by by by by rolling them
out and moving them around and you know, that was
actually kind of curtailing as playmaking ability because you know,
cut off half the field, it makes it easier for
the defense attenion when you play on straight dropbacks, you know,
like defenses could see the wheels and his head turning.
Speaker 5 (35:14):
It just wasn't good all the way around. And I
don't know how.
Speaker 8 (35:17):
Much of that falls the feet of Caleb, how much
of that falls to the feet of the coaches, maybe
not doing enough to meet him half halfway from from
a scheme standpoint, But you know, it looked pretty good
until a few weeks ago, and it's all really kind
of come unraveled since.
Speaker 3 (35:33):
Albert we're just about New York Jets rogers, the potential
of him coming back next year, how much of it
is a contingent upon him versus who they hires head coach.
Does Jeff Albright have a chance at getting this thing
for another year even though they obviously have not been
able to win a bunch of games.
Speaker 8 (35:54):
I'm like, I think, like I would say, like the
the way that one's trending is towards a complete and
a complete reset. There are a lot of people that
I've talked to that that feel like Woody Johnson is
going to debt and may the entire operation and start
over again. Now, Like part of that like is, you know,
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if you look at the contracts with some of those guys,
like Joe Douglas is in the final year of his
contract of a six year deal that he did the
way back in twenty nineteen, you know, you look at
like some of the age on the roster that's there,
you know, So I like, what's what's a little less
certain is what's going to look like coming out of
the year where you know, are you going to hire
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football as are first or are you going to hire
a head coach and then let let the head coach
hire people hire a head coach and build around the
head coach like that. I don't think that there's you know,
real answers on where that's going right now, but it
does feel like that things are trending towards a pretty
pretty thorough reset. Now can they do things to change.
Speaker 5 (36:59):
That if they catch fire here over the next you.
Speaker 8 (37:02):
Know, two months and seeking into the playoffs or at
least make it competitive and Aaron Rodgers society wants to
come back. Sure, you know, that's that's still out there
for him. But I'd say, you know where it stands
right now, it certainly looks like it's trending towards a
you know, pretty thorough reset there in twenty twenty five.
Speaker 2 (37:19):
What's what the reset in Indianapolis? Why why the sudden
change of hard a being like all of a sudden, No,
he's in, he's in the meetings, he's he's present, he's
he's become such a great pro in like a matter
of a few days. What like, what what's the change
of heart?
Speaker 8 (37:34):
I think I think there's some competing interest in that building,
and I think it's like sort of the now versus
you know, the future of the franchise. And now I'm
staying invested in Anthony Richardson, and you know, really like
I think the tiebreaker, you know, LeVar, over the last
month has come down to what's bets for the team,
you know, and what they can sell to the locker room.
Speaker 5 (37:55):
And you know, I think a few weeks.
Speaker 8 (37:57):
Ago had gotten to the point where, you know, I
think what the players were looking at was, you know,
Anthony Richardson can't run the offense at a high level.
Speaker 5 (38:07):
And Joe Flacco has shown evidence that he could, and there.
Speaker 8 (38:09):
Was a real gap there, right, So it's like how
much longer are you going to be able to sell
Anthony richards into the locker room when you know, you've
got Joe Flacco over here, who looked like he could
get more out of Michael Pittman, out of Alec Pearce,
out of Jonathan Taylor, all the guys in that locker room.
And you know, over the last couple of weeks, like
now that's flipped, you know, and Flacco didn't look very
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good on Sunday, and so now you're back to well,
if there isn't like a real gap.
Speaker 5 (38:37):
Between the two, then you go with the younger guys.
So I think it's really that simple. It is the
best way to do business.
Speaker 8 (38:44):
Maybe not, you know, but I think for Shane Stike
and this is sort of boiled down to, you know,
kind of judging this by what's going on on the field.
And again, like a couple of weeks ago, I think
there was.
Speaker 9 (38:56):
A pretty significant gap between between Flacoll and richardson which
sort of forced the coach's hand and put them in
a position where it was like, Okay, we got to
play Joe Flacco to give the rest of the guys
out there a chance.
Speaker 5 (39:10):
And you know, obviously now.
Speaker 8 (39:12):
It looks like that's slipped where maybe Flacco has kind
of come back to the mean. And now do you
have a reason to play Richardson because Placo doesn't maybe
provide you the answers that you thought he would.
Speaker 4 (39:24):
He is Albert Brier, Amazon NFL on Prime Insider, senior
NFL reporter, lead content strategist at the MMQB joining us
here on Fox Sports Radio. How likely is it and
obviously you're going to be there with the Commanders and
the Eagles later on tonight for Amazon, But how likely
is it that Cliff Kingsbury is a one and done
offensive coordinator in Washington?
Speaker 5 (39:46):
I don't think what does that out there?
Speaker 4 (39:48):
Well, no, I'm just saying meaning he's going to get
another opportunity to be Oh.
Speaker 5 (39:52):
I was like, I was like, do you know something
I don't know?
Speaker 2 (39:54):
No, So he's done all right for himself.
Speaker 8 (39:57):
Yeah, I like, I obviously close to a fantastic a
job there. Yeah, I would say that there's a possibility
of it, Like I now, I mean, like you know
how many jobs are open, you know, like what sorts
of situations are those? Like I don't know that he's
going to rush to to go to his next opportunity,
but you know, I think you certainly look at the
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job that he's done with Jayden Daniels if you look
back on like you know, they were able to get
to the playoffs, so Kyler Murray in their third year
together there. So he's been a playoffs, you know, head
coach in the NFL. The experience of the quarterbacks being
able to marry, you know, like what you're seeing at
the college level with what works in the pros, you know,
even like just down to the scheme stuff, Like I know,
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one of the reasons why dan Quinn hired him was
because he felt like close offense was unique and hard
to prepare for and hard to deal with. You know. Now,
it might not be the most complex offense in the NFL,
but it does present problems that really don't exist with
other teams. And I think you're seeing that in Washington
now so quick. I have a lot going for him,
no question, and my feeling would be that he probably
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probably will have a couple opportunities at least to interview
and you see where it goes from there.
Speaker 3 (41:12):
Albert, I want to ask you just at this point
the season, who do you give the MVP to? I
feel like, you know, Lamar Jackson to me, should be
the front runner. However, I feel like people sometimes get
fatigued when when his stats wild better than what he
had last year, but everyone shares to attributed to some
degree to the postseason success. What have you know, it's
a regular season award. Would you be fine? By the way,
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are you being a voter for that? I'm even sure
if you are.
Speaker 5 (41:37):
I'm not a vote.
Speaker 8 (41:38):
No, I'm not a voter, but I think like Lamar
would probably have my vote right now. I do think
there are a number of good candidates though, like I
Lamar like to me, Lamar keeps evolving, you know what
I mean? Like and Lamar keeps growing his game, and
I think like this year he may deserve it more
than he deserved it last year or in nineteen and
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you know, like that stay just that word value. You know,
the Ravens have gone through a lot of change. Sixty
percent of his offensive line from last year's gone, Like,
that's a lot of veteran infrastructure that they lost, and
Kevin Zeitler, Morgan Moses, and John Simpson being gone. So
they're turning over, you know, like sixty percent of his
offensive line. They're breaking Derrick Henry in as a new tailback.
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Now that's obviously become a big plus, but that was
an adjustment at the beginning.
Speaker 5 (42:25):
Too, you know.
Speaker 8 (42:27):
And then defensively, they lose Mike McDonald as their DC.
They're going with younger edge players Patrick Queen's being replaced
by Trent and Simpson, and there have been bumps on
that side of the ball. And so I think Lamar
has had to be better on a game to game
basis for them to be as good as they are,
you know, Whereas like I think in the past, maybe
the teams he was playing on were a little bit
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more complete. So yeah, I think Lamar absolutely deserves to
be the front runner for MVP. And I think you're
right that there's that fatigue thing. It's like the old
Michael Jordan thing, Like he could have been the MVP
any year in the nineties, you know, but it was like,
when do you actually give it to him? Sometimes people
are hesitant if they've already given the MVP to someone,
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you know once, then you give to them twice, twice,
you give them to them three times because you know,
there's an elevated status as someone gets when they're a
two time or a three time or a four time
m VT. But he certainly deserves, deserves, deserves to be
right there at the top of the list, and I
think Josh Allen deserves to be there with him too, just.
Speaker 5 (43:28):
You know, based on again, like the attrition.
Speaker 8 (43:31):
In Buffalo, and you know, no Steph Diggs, no Mix Morris,
no Michael High, no Jordan Boyer, no Tredavius White. You
know they're right there and at seven and two and
ready to bring the Chiefs into to Buffalo for a
game that could wind up having a having weight on
who winds up with a number one seed. I think,
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you know, Josh Allen's had a pretty crazy year two
So those two I think would be at.
Speaker 5 (43:55):
The top of the list.
Speaker 8 (43:56):
BI golf deserves mentioned too. The only thing about golf
just sort of the inverse of that, right like where
there was that one game, that Titans game where they
had nine net passing yards and forty two points. You know,
it's a Detroit team that is capable of winning so
many different ways. So Charen's played incredible the five picks
last week notwithstanding, but you know, like, do you grade
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that on a cur because he's playing for a team
that's so complete.
Speaker 2 (44:23):
Let's stay in that laying right there. Maybe for my
last question in terms of getting that type of award,
I feel like, honestly, hands down, I think it's a
shame that success isn't rewarded for Coach of the Year.
I think I think Andy Reid has shown that he
should be the Coach of the Year this year by
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the way he's been able to win in Kansas City,
the way that he has. They just continue to do
what they do. But I will also say I love
the fact that I'm hearing Mike Tomlin being thrown out
there now after the switch to russ So Wilson. Me
being a Pittsburgh fan and a Tomlin fan, who do
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you think, like, who right now do you think is
the front runner for that award?
Speaker 5 (45:09):
There are a lot of good candidates, you know.
Speaker 8 (45:12):
Tomlin definitely deserves I mean, I you know, like for
what he's achieved over the years, but this year in particular,
and having the stomach to go to to Russell Wilson
when he did, when a lot of people, including people
in his own buildings, thought it was the wrong thing
to do. He deserves a lot of credit. I mean,
you can't overlook Andy Reid. That's another one of those, like,
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you know, career accomplishment things. But like I think he
deserves to be in the mix. Campbell, like you said,
has done a great job. Kevin O'Connell, you know with Minnesota,
like for having lost maybe like the two I'd say maybe,
like maybe, except for Justin Jefferson, the two most important
players in that franchise over the last decade, and Kirk
Cousins and Danil Hunter, and they're seven and two and
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right in the mix with the Lions in the NAC North.
The one that I don't think it's enough credit that
I think deserves it at some point is Matt Lafleur
in Green Bay. I just think, like if you look
at like everything that he's done over the years now,
he's never won it, right, Like, but he coached Aaron
Rodgers to two MVP Awards. He managed that situation, you know,
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with with Rodgers in the front office, which as we
can see now, like isn't an easy thing, and.
Speaker 5 (46:24):
He retrofitted his offense for Rogers.
Speaker 8 (46:27):
At the same time he was developing Jordan Love behind him.
Speaker 5 (46:30):
And you know, there were a couple.
Speaker 8 (46:31):
Of games this year where I mean like the two
games at the beginning of year where where Jordan Love
was out where the Packers rushed for something like five
hundred yards, and you just think about that, like, you
take Jordan Love out, you put Malik Willis.
Speaker 5 (46:46):
In, and like, what's the other teams going to do?
Speaker 8 (46:49):
The other team's going to stack the box and try
to stop the run, and they're going to try to
put the ball in Malik mil Willis's hands. He had
somehow the Packers find a way to rush for five
hundred yards in those two teams. There's just like little
things like that that I really think what Floor deserves
to do. And we'll see what the record winds up being.
They're obviously behind the Vikings and the lines in the
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NFC North now, but he's another one that I think
is a good name.
Speaker 5 (47:12):
For the award.
Speaker 2 (47:13):
Albert Breer.
Speaker 4 (47:14):
Before I let you go, sorry to bury the lead,
but are you going to be at Wrigley Field for Ohio?
Speaker 2 (47:20):
I am not man, I am not well.
Speaker 8 (47:25):
I think Brady, you are supposed to at one point
and now you guys aren't.
Speaker 5 (47:28):
Is that right?
Speaker 3 (47:30):
Yes, which it's causing a big stir with the Ohio
State fans all these noon starts and everyone's blaming big
noon kickoff. Can I just make this PSA. Our pregame
show has zero involvement with these star times for Ohio
State will really enter their team for that matter. That
is a fox, that is a big ten, that is
(47:50):
a big twelve. You know, media rights deal, METEA rights partner,
CBS and NBC, Like those are the players that make
a decision on that. Like Ohio State started at noon
last week, we weren't there. I'll State starting at noon
this week, We're not there. Like, we have nothing to
do with that. Yet our pregame show keeps taking the
brunt of all this. I mean, if you guys would
have thrown a Joel Clad thrown at Joel Clatt, Yeah,
(48:12):
but he's calling the game like maybe he's.
Speaker 5 (48:15):
Over to Joel Clad.
Speaker 3 (48:17):
I'm just saying I hit with Tortillas and Lubbock and mean,
while they're like, yeah, the big noon f Big Noon,
because these noon starts were like, dude, we're not even
in your state right now.
Speaker 8 (48:28):
I mean you got to say, like you've been in
the shoe for a night game though, and like, I
mean that is a angry, awesome atmosphere for for a
night game, and it just there would at least be
like once a year or once every couple of years
there would be a massive game there. There was a
couple of years ago when Notre Dame came in right like,
and it's just I mean it is.
Speaker 3 (48:51):
Well, there's there's two issues with that. The one is,
you don't, guys don't have that great of a schedule
this year, So who had that game be Nebraska? I mean,
I you is I mean, it's not like you thought.
But by the way, just so people understand a lot
of these schedules, like the white out for Penn State
was scheduled back in September. So people want to act
like they're they're going to move around shift around games.
It's not easy to do that with the new big,
(49:12):
big ten media rights deal. That's the first thing. The
second is, like, you didn't think, I you was going
to be a night game deal for you guys to
start the season. Okay, So like that's the hard part
is go talk to NBC then, because they're the ones
that are actually in that primetime slot that if your
Fox you want to move a game, you have to
deal with So I'm not trying to like pass the buck.
But a lot of people don't.
Speaker 5 (49:33):
Understand the media rights stealing.
Speaker 2 (49:36):
Well but again.
Speaker 3 (49:40):
Says and so you don't know the behind the scenes
of how hard it is to try to work with
a partner, let alone two that you have to move
around different games, those time slots and with the conference.
So the interesting for all the people that can plan,
it's like, well, like, what's what's the alternative? Then if
you like, talk to Ohio State, talk to the Big Ten,
that's who agreed.
Speaker 2 (49:59):
To this deal.
Speaker 8 (50:00):
I mean, for the record, yeah, for the record, Like
I didn't bring this up, Brady did. Like here's the
other thing I do. I do think part of it
is a result of like some things getting messed up
in the negotiation with a guy who is not working
as a Big ten anymore, who may be working in
Chicago now.
Speaker 3 (50:20):
So I think, I mean he was the commissioner.
Speaker 8 (50:23):
Right, yeah, And I think that that like it even
goes back to do you guys, like you guys remember
what happened with Penn State Michigan Boulevard.
Speaker 5 (50:31):
You probably remember this, right, Like.
Speaker 8 (50:32):
What happened last year where they had negotiated something that
like wasn't allowed like contractually with Big Ten teams, So
they had to move Michigan State Penn State to Ford
Field because they were they weren't they weren't allowed to
like play night games like after you know, daylight savings
or whatever.
Speaker 5 (50:50):
So like there were all.
Speaker 8 (50:51):
Kinds of things screwed up in the television deal.
Speaker 2 (50:53):
And for sure, I mean, like like the reason why.
Speaker 8 (50:58):
I will I'll also say this, like I don't I
don't think Joel and Gus would be averse to the
idea of calling Nebraska Ohio State at night, right, There's.
Speaker 3 (51:09):
Got to be a way, of course, Like everyone would
would want to have that atmosphere of that night game
all that we'd love to be at a place where
there's a night game. By the way, we did that
last year. We went to Boulder last year when it
was a night game. We went to Notre Dame USC
last year when it was a night game.
Speaker 8 (51:23):
I will say this, like I think one thing that
the NFL has done well is like over the last
few years, they've broken up like the conference affiliations so
they can do more things.
Speaker 5 (51:35):
Creatively with the schedule. So they're not hemmed in, you
know what I mean? Like exactly, I think the Big.
Speaker 8 (51:40):
Ten can take a page from that book, from that
playbook and saying, look like, yes, we signed the deals
to do this, but like let's just exercise some common
sense here, Like let's look at it, like why isn't Fox.
How about for this one week NBC you have the
noon game.
Speaker 5 (51:55):
And Fox you have the primetime game. You know what
I mean?
Speaker 8 (51:58):
Like, there's got to be a creative way where everybody
winds up a winner, where you're doing those things.
Speaker 5 (52:03):
For the good of the schools, for the good of
the conference, and for the good of the networks. There's
got to be a way to do.
Speaker 2 (52:08):
That, you'd hope.
Speaker 3 (52:09):
So, and by the way, the last thing quickly, we're
not in wrigularly this week because of permitting issues, the
cost of it, et cetera. But permitting issues with I
guess the city of Chicago.
Speaker 5 (52:18):
And is that right?
Speaker 3 (52:19):
Yeah, which goes to show you so we have to
break though out.
Speaker 8 (52:23):
But that's the thing is, that's the thing is like
how good would that be for Northwestern for Chicago to
have you guys there and yet.
Speaker 5 (52:31):
Just figure it out? You know what I mean, like,
just figure it out. I don't know.
Speaker 2 (52:34):
Well, AB, we appreciate it. We'll do it again next week.
Speaker 5 (52:38):
I beg
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