November 25, 2024 • 45 mins
Today on 2 Pros and a Cup of Joe, it's a recap Monday as the guys discuss Saquon Barkley's huge Sunday Night Football performance, with Bo Nix performing as well as he is, the guys do a redraft of this year's rookie's QBs, & the Giants continued dysfunction as they watch guys they let walk, succeed elsewhere!
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
This is the best of two pros and a couple
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Speaker 2 (00:15):
And away we go on a Monday morning. Here, two
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Brady Quinn, Jonas notch with the hair.
Speaker 3 (00:22):
Big Ben.
Speaker 4 (00:24):
Cannot hair. His ears is blown out up?
Speaker 3 (00:31):
What happened? All love? Bid? Oh? Big Ben?
Speaker 4 (00:34):
You know me and Big Ben used the same mic
paus big Ben pos God, dang his here his his
ear phone levels are high as hell.
Speaker 2 (00:45):
Yeah, he's got him turned up for him. So when
you plug in the new Head, new cans as, they say,
dang gonna repay. Hey, hey, fellas.
Speaker 4 (00:53):
By the way, this this opening song right here, it's
like kind of like highlight music. There were a few highlights.
I know, Jonas, you were underwhelmed by the games, but well,
the early games there was some I thought this was
some good highlight music in my head right now, like
I'm thinking of some of the plays that took place.
Speaker 3 (01:13):
Some highlights.
Speaker 2 (01:14):
There were some fun finishes, but I just yeah, not
the greatest schedule.
Speaker 4 (01:19):
That was a sloppy, by the way, interesting finish. If
you're talking about the one in particular.
Speaker 2 (01:24):
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not pay. Saquon Barkley just continues to look worse and
worse and worse. That performance last night. I'm not saying
and he's gonna do it. I doubt he would. They
would give it to him all of a sudden, Saquon
Barkley's and MVP Wow, why would?
Speaker 3 (02:06):
Why would they not do it?
Speaker 1 (02:08):
Like?
Speaker 4 (02:08):
It takes those Yeah, but it takes those types of
performances and those type of stat lines to be able
to get it. I mean, you look at guys like
Adrian Peterson that have won it, didn't LT want it.
I believe Laurence lad want it. I think you just
gotta be think both lts want it. You have Yeah,
well they didn't, which is that's really really rare. We
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haven't seen that since him. I don't believe maybe ray
Lewis got it. I'm not sure anyway. I just think
the stats that that Saquan is putting up, the things
that he's doing, it's that of of uh A league MVP.
I mean, I know we can look at the usual suspects,
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Lamar Jackson. Who else will we throw in there? You know, like, yeah,
Josh Allen is having a fine year.
Speaker 5 (02:58):
I just mean, bro, you could throw in their Unfortunately
they're just sticks not doing well.
Speaker 3 (03:02):
Team's not doing well.
Speaker 4 (03:04):
I just listen, if I had to look at it,
Josh Allen, that's definitely that's a that's a real He's
a real one. Like if they gave it to him,
I wouldn't be offended by it. Lamar Jackson is kind
of like I teeterr on it, even though I think
he is playing some amazing football.
Speaker 3 (03:23):
I teeter her on it.
Speaker 4 (03:25):
And and and Sakwon Barkley has clearly had the biggest
impact on a team out of any player in the
National Football League. That's I don't teeterr on that. But
does that make him the MVP. It's almost like the
conversation we were having about Travis Hunter and Shade or Sanders, like.
Speaker 3 (03:41):
Well, well and you guys want the MVP odds, Let's
get them. Let's get him, damn.
Speaker 5 (03:45):
So while you take a guess, we're our friends at
DraftKings have Shae Kwon Barkley currently listed for the MVP
like fourth? Oh close, but that's actually Jared Goff plus
six fifteen. All right, I'll say third.
Speaker 3 (04:01):
Okay. Something tells me Jonahs might have known this beforehand,
but yes, at least I played along five.
Speaker 5 (04:13):
Barkley is in third place as of right now current
giving the odds to win the NFL MVP, Josh Allen's
at plus one fifty Lamar Jackson at plus two seventy five.
Speaker 3 (04:24):
To you guys point though, I do think if he
it might take like.
Speaker 5 (04:28):
Performances like last night, which is pretty rare in the NFL.
Speaker 3 (04:33):
But if he does this.
Speaker 5 (04:34):
Again, I think he's going to climb his way into
that conversation in a more legitimate fashion.
Speaker 3 (04:40):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (04:41):
I think it has a lot to do with how
the team ends up going down the stretch as well, right,
I mean we mentioned Joe Burrow. He's having such a
fine year, but the team doesn't really give him their
Their lack of success doesn't really give them the opportunity
for him to get the recognition that he's deserving of.
When you look at what what does ego team is doing,
they're surging and such, they're trending in such a positive direction.
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It's almost like if they stay healthy, if they stay
healthy and they continue to play the way that they're playing,
because what's going on right now is this offensive line.
I know if you guys were probably listening to the
telecast of it all, but I guess they were talking
about how during the break that the old line all
huddled up and went and saw the coach and said, look,
let's get back to what we do. Let's get back
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to who we are. Let's get back to the identity
of who we are as a team, and that is
beating people to hell up upfront and running the ball.
And if that offensive line, as good as they are
and as massive as they are and as nasty as
they are up front, if they can stay healthy and
continue to play with that type of just determination and
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what it is that they do, that commitment to opening
up those holes. The things that Sakwon Barkley can do.
There's only a handful of backs that we've seen in
the history of the game, not just now in current football.
The things that he's able to do, there's only been
a handful of guys that can make the cuts and
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shift and and and quickness and change of speed and
change the direction and and and everything that comes along
with it. He's strong, he's he's he's got great balance,
his his vision is really good. These were the things
we saw him doing in New York. It's not new.
This is not something that's new, not.
Speaker 3 (06:34):
To this level. I don't think.
Speaker 2 (06:35):
Listen, he's already got more rushing yards than he ever had.
Speaker 4 (06:38):
The success level, I mean, he's doubled what he was
averaging in.
Speaker 3 (06:42):
New York with what he's doing right now.
Speaker 4 (06:45):
But the things that I'm not saying the amount of
statistical you know, categories and and what his numbers are,
I'm saying that, yeah.
Speaker 3 (06:54):
Yeah, the things he does, yeah, man.
Speaker 5 (06:56):
I think the difference though, too, is like it's not
the same offensive line. It's not no to sit there
and say if he's in New York, he oh, he'd
be doing this. It's like, well, probably not. I Mean,
they can't run the football quite as well. He's not
protected as much with some of the wide receivers that
they have in Philly, so you can't necessarily, I mean,
teams are gonna start load the box to stop him
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in the run the game, even though he's effective to
out of the backfield catching the football. But there's also
protection for the white house they have. If you want
to load up the box, okay, go do it. To
deal with guys like aj Brown DeVante Smith, you have
to deal with some of that potential. So it's a
it's a it's a different, a different problem I think
in Philly than it would have been in New.
Speaker 4 (07:37):
York one one hundred percent. And listen, I'm not saying
that again. Would New York be a better team with
say Kwon Barkley, Yes, Would they be a team that's winning?
Who knows? Probably not? Probably not if they're if they
were this close to tanking, they probably did say Kwon
(07:58):
Barkley a favor by letting him go. I mean, let's
be real here, with the way they're looking, they did
him a favor.
Speaker 3 (08:04):
Now with that being said, you hit it spot on.
Speaker 4 (08:07):
This is a team that's going in the right direction
and they don't even have everybody on the field yet,
Like they are looking like a tremendously balanced team. And
there right now they're missing Smith, like they get him back.
I feel like Dotson is he can it's there, like
that opportunity for him is there. If they start loading
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up this box to try to stop Saquon. You got Brown,
you got Smith, you got Dotson that's out there on
the edges, and you got a tight end, and you
got a tight end. To me, they're so they're so balanced,
they're so balanced that now you look at a guy
like Jalen Hurts and you say, all you gotta do
is hand the ball off and let him cook. Let
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Saquon cook. You don't have to do anything really crazy
that would lead to you getting injured, because I think
that if he gets injured, as much as he's taken
a maybe a back seat in terms of having to
do it on the ground that he's done in the
past that's put him in in harm's way to get injured,
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he doesn't have to do that anymore. And so if
he stays healthy and these receivers can stay healthy, I
think it all it all comes down to, if they
can stay healthy, this might be one of what two
or three teams in the NFC that I would say
can can stand up to what Detroit is doing. I
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think I saw the number last night somebody throughout that
he would do. You guys think it's possible the rest
of the way, Saquon Barkley yards from scrimmage could add,
could average one hundred and forty three yards from scrimmage
a game average.
Speaker 3 (09:47):
No, that'd be tough, Yeah, I mean it'd be tough.
Speaker 5 (09:51):
Possible too, Yeah, too many teams are going to adjust
or adapt and take him away.
Speaker 3 (09:56):
They're not going to allow him to beat him.
Speaker 2 (09:58):
So he's add sixteen one hundred and change. The all
time record is Chris Johnson at twenty five o nine.
I mean the fact that it's even you know, you're
kind of kicking it around and thinking about the possibility,
just shows you he's been fantastic man, and the guy's
averaging over six yards of carry. So, like the offensive
line with losing Jason Kelcey last night, just completely.
Speaker 4 (10:24):
Imagine if they have Jason Kelcey with Sakwon Barkley might
not even be fair.
Speaker 2 (10:29):
It reminds me of Ashton genty To, where like you're
having the discussion about him as a Heisman Trophy candidate,
it's like, well, like that's he's their guy.
Speaker 3 (10:38):
Like he went he was in a due this is
a college football reference. Well no, I'm just yeah, okay,
there you go. Yeah yeah, this is a college fullball
reference from Jonas. Yes, yeah, tell those guys.
Speaker 5 (10:48):
I just know somebody I know some of the listeners
like Jonas does not like college football, have told them.
I'm like, dude, he does all right. He gambles on
and loses on it all the time.
Speaker 4 (10:56):
Must be from all that, I guess, I guess.
Speaker 3 (11:00):
But you looking at you go.
Speaker 2 (11:03):
They could just rely They don't even have to really,
they could throw the ball a little bit. But you've
got Davante Smith who's out, as you mentioned, AJ Brown
not having the same year that he's had in years past.
They just rely on Saquon Barkley and the MVP discussion.
Although relevant and worthy of it, it feels like this
is exactly why the Offensive Player of the Year Award exists,
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so that it gives them a bailout that the guy
who doesn't win the MVP will just throw them the
OPO Y, just like they did.
Speaker 4 (11:32):
Cooper Cus that's always the guy. It's the non quarterback,
so like it. How many times do you see no
A quarterback win that position, that offensive player of the year.
Yeah no, it doesn't even that doesn't. I don't ever
really see a quarterback when it's not happening. Yeah, so
I think you got that one right.
Speaker 3 (11:48):
Listen.
Speaker 4 (11:48):
They got the they got the AFC North that they
got to go up up against, they got the Ravens,
and they had the Steelers. I don't see him getting
one hundred and forty yards against those defenses.
Speaker 2 (11:58):
So, I mean the way that the way Mike Cleveland
brown sliced and diced the Steelers the other night, I
don't know, anything is possible.
Speaker 4 (12:05):
Anything possibly mean that was in a blizzard. I mean,
and they you don't know that.
Speaker 5 (12:10):
They claim the Browns yea woy would you claim your
team is the Bears?
Speaker 3 (12:15):
They were close, fell short, no cigar, but you're.
Speaker 5 (12:19):
So happy because they covered your three and a half
point spread y Bears.
Speaker 3 (12:23):
Hook the hook.
Speaker 2 (12:28):
Meanwhile, on the other side of it, the New York Giants.
New York Giants can continue to find new waves to
just look really bad. Oh this is a really bad
year for them to see their acts.
Speaker 3 (12:41):
Hap that's not like they have any players though, airing
out their head coach.
Speaker 2 (12:44):
No, no, no, no, No, you mean like Molik Neighbors,
who's been in the NFL for about fifteen minutes eided.
Do you know what, let me go ahead and expose
my team and my coaching stawn.
Speaker 3 (12:54):
And there's no loyalties.
Speaker 5 (12:56):
On the first play of the second half, he makes
a cut.
Speaker 3 (13:00):
I didn't think ever sounds weird.
Speaker 4 (13:02):
That's definitely not believed to describe this loss, Sulfus, How
disupported are you? Very?
Speaker 3 (13:11):
What are you most disupported?
Speaker 1 (13:12):
A bound?
Speaker 6 (13:13):
I mean's al man, I'm taller going out there and losing.
Speaker 3 (13:19):
Shouts up.
Speaker 6 (13:20):
I mean, I don't know, Broa.
Speaker 3 (13:24):
The quarterback change could be to provide more apart it to.
Speaker 6 (13:27):
Me obviously, it ain't the quarterback. The same homecoming we
had DJ quarterback. I mean, take a look, take a look.
It ain't the quarterback. I don't know what it is.
Everybody know better than me.
Speaker 4 (13:39):
We'll take three hard.
Speaker 3 (13:40):
I don't know.
Speaker 6 (13:41):
I don't know what it is, but I know I'm
tired of losing.
Speaker 3 (13:44):
Is he eating food?
Speaker 1 (13:45):
Right?
Speaker 6 (13:47):
A girl?
Speaker 3 (13:48):
Like the biggest rod of Governan's mouth that he's chewing him?
What do you think it is? Juicy?
Speaker 6 (13:54):
For?
Speaker 3 (13:55):
It must have been some juicy fruit. Pause.
Speaker 4 (13:57):
Hey, hey, but for real, though, what when when immediate
person gets that that connection, they feel like you didn't
You're the connected widow.
Speaker 3 (14:09):
They be like, well, Jonas, what do you mean? What
do you mean? What could have gone better? Tell me
sounds like a therapist.
Speaker 4 (14:19):
Tell me, tell me more, Tell me more about how
you feel, Jonas.
Speaker 3 (14:24):
They went right for it.
Speaker 2 (14:25):
Yeah, could you play that again? He went right for
Listen to the follow up question. He plays neighbors just
laying on his couch.
Speaker 4 (14:31):
Let me know how you feel, Elik, did you have
exact the quarterback change to be to provide more of
a spartan it to me?
Speaker 6 (14:37):
Obviously, it ain't the quarterback. Same homecoming we had a
DJ quarterback. I mean, take a look at take a look.
It ain't the quarterback.
Speaker 3 (14:44):
I don't know what it is. Everybody know better than me.
Speaker 4 (14:48):
He's it.
Speaker 3 (14:49):
We'll take three more. I don't know, I don't know.
Speaker 6 (14:51):
I don't know what it is.
Speaker 3 (14:52):
I know I'm trying to lose words today. Would you
use to describe the sce socius? How disappointed are you?
How disappointed? What are you most disappointed about?
Speaker 4 (15:05):
What are you most disappointed about? That's good we can
start right there. We can start right there. How disappointed
are you about this man? That team sucks?
Speaker 3 (15:15):
They stink? Bruh. Let me tell you something. Maybe it's bad,
but maybe it's good. I don't know. You guys, you know,
have your opinions on it, but.
Speaker 4 (15:25):
The ability to state how you truly feel today is
so much more far and away acceptable.
Speaker 3 (15:36):
It's tolerable and and and in.
Speaker 4 (15:39):
Some cases it's actually celebrated and and people you know,
buy into it. I mean, most of us, this is crazy,
but it's an interesting todd Most of us coming from
from college didn't lose. I hadn't lost since ever going
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into the pros. Never lost in youth league, we were
the best, never lost. In high school. We were generally
pretty much the best, like always competing for playoff state title, college,
always competing for a national title. No more than three
losses ever ever, no more like that's it. And those
were tough games that we got, those losses, and that
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was the most. You get to the pros and it's like,
whoa wait, hold on, what is this. It's like it
is such a body shock, a cultural shock, like emotional,
mental like you name it. It is such a shock to
your system when you have been a winner and now
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you're losing and there's no like, there's no solution that
can be camp put out there to remedy. What the
hell is going on? Say that back in the day,
something bad is gonna happen.
Speaker 3 (17:04):
I don't know what it is.
Speaker 4 (17:05):
They bench you or something bad happens because of the
lack of you did not have these type of platforms.
Speaker 3 (17:12):
You did not have the voice was not.
Speaker 4 (17:14):
As established for the athlete as it was in years past.
It's like Malik, neighbors are saying, and people are sitting
there like he's right. They do stink. He isn't a
bad situation. It ain't the quarterback. We got a different quarterback.
We got worse result. Think about it. You couldn't say
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that back in the day. You guys answer me, this
does that because to me, I think the way this
everything is set up anymore, it is almost it is
close to almost impossible to have success because you're not
gonna have enough time as a coaching staff.
Speaker 3 (17:52):
You're just not.
Speaker 4 (17:53):
So if you can get it going, then you won,
but generally it's gonna take time. Has this changed the
rules of engagement because players can they can air you out.
You don't get as much time to earn the respect
and earn the trust of a player. They don't like you,
they don't like you, and either they're gonna go or
that coach is gonna go. But there's gonna be pressure
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from the public for that ownership group, the decision makers
to do something. You got your best player on the
team sitting there complaining and his shot fired was at
either the coaches or at the front office, or at
ownership or all of the above. How do you operate
like that?
Speaker 2 (18:36):
And it kind of feels like the Giants put themselves
in that spot because and this was a report that
came out that you know, players were bothered by the
way they handled the Daniel Jones stuff. And now he's released.
He's gonna sign with whoever he's gonna sign with. But
they just look, we're not done. We know it was
a business decision. It was about money, et cetera, et cetera,
et cetera. Like we were discussing last week, just letting go,
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and they just and they opened themselves up to this
and now Malik Neighbors is just airing everybody out. My
question is we all thought based on what happened last
week that all right, this is a sign that, look,
Joe Shane is safe, that Brian Dave balls safe. That
was really really bad yesterday. And now you've got guys
in the locker room with a mouthful of big league
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chew just ripping everybody to.
Speaker 4 (19:20):
No support, no support, direct shot, like if this was
battleship ship, if this was battle if this was if
we were playing battleship it right, I got it rightly, man,
Damn I didn't hit you now now I know, I
(19:42):
know the coordinates. Now there's a Hey, listen, there's only
two three more coordinates that I'm a miss the rest
of them. I'm gonna hit you, and I hope, I
hope I keep hitting, because then I'm gonna know what
that What size your boat is?
Speaker 3 (19:54):
Listen? Your ship is?
Speaker 4 (19:55):
You know, those of you that played the old school
game battleship, you know you know what I'm talking about.
Speaker 2 (20:00):
There you go, great, Cam, Oh yeah, so not great.
Speaker 4 (20:02):
Somebody's battleship is getting sunk. I'll tell you that. In
New York. Be interesting to see who it is. Daniel Jones.
His ship is already off off of the board. Oh yeah,
Sakwon Barkley. His ship has already been hit. It's off
of the board. You only get what like five six, seven?
I think it's like six ships.
Speaker 3 (20:20):
I don't know.
Speaker 4 (20:22):
Better, be careful now go I hit that battleship soon. Well,
I think your game was better, though, I sink your battleship.
Speaker 2 (20:33):
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Speaker 3 (20:49):
Have you saw tradition. Want him in here?
Speaker 2 (20:51):
Oh boy, we do have a breeze leftover.
Speaker 3 (20:55):
It's coming up to close up shop.
Speaker 2 (20:56):
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Speaker 3 (21:07):
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Speaker 2 (21:24):
I mean the race to get the number one pick.
Who they'll know that, who knows how that's going to
shake up? The Raiders are not a good football team.
Gardner Minshew broke his collar bone yesterday. But that's why
I look at Miami, I look at Denver, and I
go I don't think either of those teams are legitimate
contenders in the AFC, but at least they're interesting towards
the bottom of the pack of fringe playoff team slash
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playoff teams.
Speaker 4 (21:46):
And they're on to move. Man, they're good. They're f
on a move. They're on the move. I don't know
what that means and totality, but they are.
Speaker 5 (21:56):
Let me ask you this, if it means this, does
that make it worse on Las Vegas for how the
draft went, how the season's gone.
Speaker 3 (22:03):
Like it that's in your division? They were want to
pick ahead? Yeah, I just I think.
Speaker 5 (22:10):
I mean because because because one of a couple of
things either happened, you either got duped in regards to
who they were going to take Denver is going to
take that spot potentially, or how that the you know,
the draft is going to go with the quarterbacks, or
you at a bad evaluation, like you overlooked that guy
and didn't try to go make a look, you know,
make it work for that guy, and getting to take
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a guy like Bonnicks.
Speaker 3 (22:33):
He looks good, man, he looks great.
Speaker 5 (22:35):
He looks I mean, if if we're gonna rick again,
go back over this rookie class. I would looked Caleb,
but thought might have played his best game even though
it's in a losing effort, made some special throws, special plays,
has no run support, and still goes out there and
finds ways of like being competitive in games Jaden and Washington.
Speaker 3 (22:54):
It was a hot star man. But yeah, but it's
it's it's it's.
Speaker 5 (22:58):
Not what it was in the beginning of the season.
Like I would say, he's starting to kind of fall
back a bit. I mean they lost through the last four. Yeah,
it's it's not the same effectiveness as what they've had.
Speaker 4 (23:08):
That lost yesterday was an indictment. The last two I
would give him a pass just because they're good teams,
but well.
Speaker 3 (23:13):
The rookies too. I'm not let you know.
Speaker 5 (23:16):
I'm just saying that if you were to go back
and look at how teams, you know, graded the quarterbacks
and slotted them, I think a lot of people passed
up on.
Speaker 3 (23:24):
Bo Nicks, and he has come out and.
Speaker 5 (23:26):
He's looked every bit the part of a guy that
should be up for Rookie of the Year.
Speaker 4 (23:31):
So I think it comes back to the conversation we
had before about if Caleb Williams went to Kansas City,
would he be what Patrick Mahomes is right now versus
if Patrick Mahomes went to the Bears, it'd be like, y'all,
I messed that up too. I think Sean Payton had
a clear idea of what he had in bow Knicks
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if he were able to get him, and felt as
though this was like this was going to be the
ultimate poker hand to be able to get him at
the pick that he did, and it worked.
Speaker 3 (24:03):
He said.
Speaker 2 (24:04):
Sean Payton said in August, I think he was talking
with Peter Schrager and he said in August that they
were worried about the Raiders moving up. So he actually
called the Raiders and asked them if they were interested
in moving up, and the Raiders said no to try
and sort of push them off towards Yeah, listen, maybe
they're not in the looking for a quarterback because they're
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thinking about moving back, and then they ended up pulling
the trigger and they landed bon Nicks one pick before.
I mean, brock Bowers has been great too, But you know,
it's just a completely different conversation between the two teams.
Speaker 5 (24:37):
It's again, yeah, it's not like it was a bad pick, Like, Okay,
that's not the conversation we're having.
Speaker 3 (24:51):
They wanted a quarterback.
Speaker 4 (24:52):
Like, let's be clear, there's no debating the fact that Antonio.
Speaker 3 (24:59):
The full back. I get you. I'm just saying, it's
not like somebody throwing the ball though.
Speaker 5 (25:05):
Yeah, dude, Like that's a type of mess up that
like literally you're probably not keeping your job.
Speaker 4 (25:11):
After it's And that's sad because again, it was not
a military secret that this group wanted to get a quarterback.
They wanted to move up to get a quarterback. They
they whether they had the capital to be able to
do it, what one reason or another that they needed
to try to do it to get a quarterback, but
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going into the season not having a defined guy that
could be the starting guy, even though I know, I know,
we'll say Minshees started off fairly well in the year.
I get that, but he's still a professional backup. And
and to me, if my if my first thought was
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I'm the new head coach here and the one thing
we need to do that's imperative to us having an
opportunity to compete just in our conference, just here in
our conference, in our division. We need to get a quarterback,
no doubt about it. Hands down these guys that we
got O'Connell. You know we brought a Minshew. Okay, these
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guys can battle it out for second, but we need
a guy. We need a guy that the team can
get behind. We need a guy that this city can
get behind, the fan base can get behind. We need
a guy and they did not do it. Now, who
do you hold accountable for that when you know that
the head coach made it abundantly clear that that's what
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they were looking for, and you didn't do it in
the draft. So that's why I asked the question about
Michael Pennix, because was it once Michael Pennix went to
the Falcons at eight, I think they were going for
higher than Michael Pennock. Yeah, I think they were trying
to be aggressive enough. I don't even know that Michael
Pennix would have been like this is who we wanted,
(26:58):
Like this is what we're going with, this is who
we wanted. I don't even know that he fit the
bill for that and what they were trying to do
in the draft.
Speaker 2 (27:06):
If Michael Pennix was there, would they have taken him
over brock.
Speaker 4 (27:09):
Battle, I don't. I don't have the answer for that.
I don't have the answer for that, which means that
at the end of the day, if Michael Pennix is there,
then that means bow Knicks is there. And then it
comes back to the original conversation, like somebody undervalued bow Knicks.
Speaker 2 (27:26):
Do you just call Antonio Pierce right now and get
the answer? But what are you waiting around her?
Speaker 3 (27:29):
Like so let's stop farting around here and gets a man.
Speaker 4 (27:31):
McCarthy gets hurt. So we don't know the sample size
of McCarthy. Penix goes to Atlanta, but he's not playing
much because Cousins is playing. Knowing what we know now
and my changed question, and I know we did this
before because I brought up Erlacker. Knowing what we know Now,
would you have taken bow Knicks before McCarthy or Pinnix.
Speaker 2 (27:53):
Yeah, knowing what we know now, Q.
Speaker 3 (27:57):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (27:57):
I mean, like, here's the interesting thing about up the
evaluations of quarterbacks. If you were in a base last
year's draft on the tape and then I actually think
you could go back through some of the most recent
years and make this claim. If you just went off
who performed the best on film, it would have been
Jaden Daniels number one. You would have had Michael Pennox
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number two, bow Knicks number three, Caleb Williams number four.
That's how you would have made the selections in this
past year's draft. It just purely based on tape from
the most recent season. Now, if you want to go
back to the entire body of work, look at everything.
You know, Caleb jumps up a little higherbviously had a
Heisman Trophy winning season. You know bo Nix the past
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two years at at you know, both Oregon Washington, same
thing with Pennix. They both played really well. So I'm
not sure that would have changed a ton. Penix, you know,
probably would have still been ahead of Knicks slightly, but
it would have benefited Caleb Williams more than anyone else.
Speaker 3 (28:57):
The point I'm basically making.
Speaker 5 (28:58):
Is that sometimes these these teams, when they're evaluating a
lot of the prospects, they kind of look past the
most important thing.
Speaker 3 (29:07):
It's like, well, what they do most recently. Y're like
how they look on the field.
Speaker 5 (29:10):
How they perform, Like, let's not overthink this whole thing,
like how they look playing football. So and I know
there might be some jajon McCarthy. Fans are like, hey, man,
like you want a national championship? He did, he did,
but he wasn't asked to do as much, and he
delivered when he was asked to and and he made
that team a winning football team during his time as
a starting quarterback in Michigan. But the rest had a
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lot more on tape that you could feel a little
more confident as far as making that selection. And obviously
McCarthy's hurt, so we don't know what he's gonna end
up being. But either way, like that's how I think
the draft would have been slotted. If you're purely taking
a base on the tape from this their last year
in college.
Speaker 2 (29:51):
I mean, you know, there could be a future Hall
of Famer looking for you know, an opportunity.
Speaker 4 (29:57):
Daniel Jones is available right now. You know he's going
to clear waivers today, right He's going to be available
if you're the if you're the see to me, I
think it's like, is it too late. I don't want
to take I don't want to risk bringing in a
situation where I can be judged off of a miss
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if I bring like if you win, If you bring
them in and it works out, that's great. But if
I'm a coach or a GM and I bring in
a guy like Daniel Jones who has potential, has shown
that they can throw the ball and can run an offense,
it just didn't work out the way that it was
supposed to in the place he's leaving. If I bring
him in now at this late in the juncture of
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the season and it doesn't work out, I'm losing my job.
I'd rather lose with what I have if we're having
a s season right now, If we're having a bad
season right now, lose then to try to bring in
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a guy like Daniel Jones that's available and bring him
in and risk losing after bringing him in.
Speaker 2 (31:10):
Hey, Brady, what's the drop off between Shador Sanders and
the next guy in the draft.
Speaker 5 (31:16):
Again, it's tough because if you're basing it purely on
the tape, it's not as big of a drop off
to cam Ward in my opinion, Like I think how
I'd view it based on what's happened so far this season,
Shador Sanders has one cam Ward is two, and some
people might debate that. But the thing I appreciate and
I give Shador Sanders a leg up on cam Ward
(31:39):
is he's running more of an NFL style system. You know,
Pat Schermmer's roots go back to the NFL, and the
concepts things are asking him to do. The things they're
asking to do with in the offense and even how
he plays from the pocket are more what he's going
to be asked to do once he gets to the
NFL level. Cam Warden has some He's got a phenomen
(32:00):
albility to stay poised, make plays he could make all
the throws he obviously can create too. But as much
as he makes these incredible plays, there's also these plays
where you're going, what the hell was that?
Speaker 3 (32:11):
You know? I mean, there was literally one play this
week and.
Speaker 5 (32:18):
To the beginning of the play when he got rushed,
I was like, Oh, he made like a little move
and I was like, that's gonna be this is gonna
be something special.
Speaker 3 (32:24):
And then as he flipped the ball to I believe
it was this tight.
Speaker 5 (32:28):
End, maybe he kind of wasn't looking and the ball
just kind of floated right past him and went to
the defender to make an interception. I'm like, oh, that
went from like what could have been a highlight reel
play to a highlight reel for the other team. And
you see that at times, or you see these plays
where you go, what the hell was that?
Speaker 2 (32:45):
Like early Josh Allen in his NFL career.
Speaker 5 (32:48):
Yeah, kinda Again, you could probably find some other colleg
football references if you want, but you know, I, I know
you watch NFL exclusively. So the whole point is Cam
is right up there with them, and then it's probably Carson,
which I think at the beginning of the season, Carson
Beck to me was gonna be the number one guy
the way he finished last year to heading into the
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draft if he just showcased what he did the second
half of last year at Georgia for the entirety of
the season. His season has not gone that way for him,
And if you comb through it. It's not all on him.
I'm not trying to The protection has been shoddy at times,
but mostly it's been the receivers not helping him out.
But that being said, he's probably been the one that
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I think has taken the biggest hit. But those are
your top three, and I would say because of the
way the season's gone for Beck so far, there's a
lot of football left.
Speaker 3 (33:37):
He would be in the third position. But think about this.
Speaker 5 (33:39):
I mean, if they go on to run and then
making the playoff, that's gonna be our our last you know,
we're going to recall a recollection of how he played
this season if they end up winning it all and
he plays really well throughout the playoffs.
Speaker 3 (33:52):
So again, a lot of football left we played. That's
probably the order right now.
Speaker 4 (33:55):
The Doors showed a lot of toughness this past weekend.
Speaker 3 (33:58):
I'll tell you that, buddy. It's everyone week It's not.
It's not. If you watch them. He was getting hit
almost every single time. Man, he's getting hit.
Speaker 4 (34:08):
And Travis Hunter continues to prove that he should win
the Heisman.
Speaker 3 (34:13):
Jack Jaggs Giants Raiders. As you three, here's the hard
thing about Yeah, sorry, just went back in NFL. Here's
the hard thing about that is he gets so mad too.
He's like, dude, I watch college football. It's like, all right,
Geny's gone off too.
Speaker 5 (34:30):
This is this is gonna be as tight of a
race I think for the Heisman as we've had. I
don't think this is like a runaway. I think this
is gonna be a lot tighter than people realize. Boys
clinched the Malt West Championship game. They clinched like the
Malt West Championship game they'll be hosting. And so Colorado
now could be in the outside looking in.
Speaker 3 (34:51):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (34:51):
Well, if you listen what I'm saying, like, he's gonna
have an extra opportunity because if all the favorites win
this week in the Big Twelve, which we can go
through that scenario, at some point, it's going to be
Iowa State in Arizona State, which no one would have
foresaw three two weeks ago.
Speaker 3 (35:04):
Arizona State got with it this weekend. Well Camp Scattaboo man.
Speaker 2 (35:10):
Yeah, so uh yeah, So Raiders, Giants, Jacks top three.
Speaker 3 (35:16):
In the NFL draft. Yeah, what are the odds? Are
DraftKings have the NFL odds?
Speaker 2 (35:22):
Oh No, I'm just looking to tank a thought right now,
Ohs Giants Raiders race for Shador in the NFL Draft.
Speaker 3 (35:28):
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Speaker 5 (36:18):
I know we talked about sae Quon earlier, but h
how much of that is an indictment on Joe Shane
and the decision Because like every single week you watch
a player you let go to a divisional opponent, go
off and now be in the MVP conversation. But it's
not just that. Look at Xavier McKinney two for the
(36:39):
Green bit Packers. Like I was thinking, we were talking
about Lee more about football than the actual lickly himself.
Speaker 3 (36:46):
Off the field.
Speaker 5 (36:47):
I was like, man, that's the other thing is like
they let him go and he's had an unbelievable year
this year.
Speaker 3 (36:53):
It's just it's what are they doing?
Speaker 5 (36:56):
I don't know, but like you wonder if the Mara
family will go back on their word and after the season,
when they have a chance to reevaluate, go, yeah, we're
gonna have to make some changes here.
Speaker 4 (37:06):
I just know that man gave them for shadowing on
that show. Like he got up off of that little
desk and was like, listen, hey guys, I'm going to
have a really really hard time sleeping at night knowing
that Shakoon Barkley went to the Philadelphia Eagles and them
dudes was sitting at the desk smiling, skinning and grinning
(37:28):
with what they had going on.
Speaker 7 (37:29):
You ain't skinning and grinning right now.
Speaker 3 (37:31):
I'll tell you that they've quit.
Speaker 2 (37:34):
If your team quits isn't that an indictment on what
the situation is there from a coaching standpoint and in
front of yes, that's why I think.
Speaker 4 (37:41):
Is as good a coach as day Ball is, and
we all know day Ball is a good coach.
Speaker 3 (37:47):
As good as he is.
Speaker 4 (37:49):
The sad part of this in the nature of what
took place, is you took away the ability for him
to be viewed fairly fairly in this in this scenario,
it's not going to play out well for him based
upon the way this team is interpreting and internalizing that
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we heard that would have gum mouthful of gum from
elite neighbors, right. I don't know if he was talking
about the coach. If he was talking like I said earlier,
I don't know who he was, who he was aiming at.
But he wasn't aiming at Daniel Jones. He wasn't aiming
at Sakwan Barkley. He was aiming at somebody that made decisions.
Speaker 3 (38:28):
Whether that's a hit, he said it specifical.
Speaker 4 (38:31):
There you go, same same same results, different quarterback. We're losing.
Speaker 2 (38:36):
I just I think that they probably had a thought
and we mentioned this before to where yeah, well, you
know they're going to keep the same guys. They don't
want to have dysfunction and turn over from a coaching standpoint.
But that was as bad as it looked all year yesterday.
And you know, it's not like you were playing the Lions.
I mean, Tampa Bay's a good team. I think Tampa
(38:56):
Bay and I hope they win the NFC South because
I'm sick of the Falcon. But Tampa Bay went in
there and that game wasn't close. I mean Baker Mayfield, yeah,
you know, the Tommy cutlets or whatever. Yeah, like he's
having fun. There's dancing on graves.
Speaker 1 (39:14):
We have.
Speaker 3 (39:15):
We have postgame sound of that, the reporters asking like,
oh are you Italian? Do you do you have Italian
blood in you? Is that why you were doing it?
It's like I will know I haven't done a twenty
three and me like, no, dude, we're laughing. We're laughing
at what we're playing against. You know, that's essentially what
we're doing.
Speaker 5 (39:34):
It's like a middle finger without actually doing the middle
finger to our opponent at this point, like that, That's
what that was like. When when you're running fifty yards
downfield as a quarterback, laying blocks for your running back.
It just goes to show you like that's the difference
between these two teams. So that just sometimes the.
Speaker 3 (39:52):
Media, man, I'm like, what are we doing? Like what
what questions are you asking these players?
Speaker 2 (39:58):
I mean, there's got to be for as much regret
as you know, like the Giants fans are sitting there
watching Saquon Barkley in prime time all of a sudden
throw himself into the MVP conversation. There's got to be
some conversation in Cleveland of Browns, Fancy and Baker Mayfield
going what the f man, how did we screw that up?
Like like like how did you screw up Baker Mayfield
(40:19):
in Cleveland? Only to see what he's playing like right now,
because there's not a lot of quarterbacks in the NFC,
I would take over Baker Mayfield right now.
Speaker 3 (40:26):
Oh wow, Like there's not a lot.
Speaker 2 (40:29):
No no, no, no, Like he's like he's a top
tier quarterback in the NFL, especially this year. Now Mike
Evans is back and he did speak post game after
the beating they gave to the Giants tribute to Tommy.
Speaker 3 (40:40):
Yeah, he's a good dude.
Speaker 8 (40:42):
Shots wag, Yeah, who came up with that, Oh, I
have no idea. I just see him do it.
Speaker 3 (40:47):
No, who's I'm sorry? Whose idea was it for you
to do that? And when did you know you were
going to do it?
Speaker 8 (40:51):
You know most of the times, I don't know what
I'm going to do. So there's spontaneous stuff that was just.
Speaker 4 (40:56):
Spontaneous that was not played.
Speaker 3 (40:58):
I mean even your teammates got into it.
Speaker 8 (41:00):
Yeah, you know, New York fans love Tommy here and
give him something.
Speaker 4 (41:04):
They like, are you Italian? By the chancer?
Speaker 1 (41:06):
Now?
Speaker 8 (41:06):
I haven't done a twenty three and me, but I
don't know.
Speaker 3 (41:10):
What is Who is that reporter man New York? Someone
to be like, come on, are we beat serious right now?
Was that doubt? Are you Italian? It was that Mary?
Was that Mary Kay?
Speaker 4 (41:24):
Teammates got involved with it.
Speaker 3 (41:28):
And it looked like everybody was joining in. Don't go
do that, Joe just trying to say, all women sound
like that's a.
Speaker 5 (41:34):
That's a saying that Jonas that all of a sudden,
the Tampa Bay Bugs beat reporter sounds like.
Speaker 2 (41:40):
Someone from Cleveland and you people are all the same.
Speaker 7 (41:43):
Can you explained to me where that was that planned?
Speaker 2 (41:48):
You know, maybe Brady didn't know he was Italian. Then
he took us twenty three and he.
Speaker 3 (41:53):
Found out he was Irish. Yeah, well I found out.
I know what I found out.
Speaker 5 (41:59):
I was found out a lot more, a lot more
about that of lads. What do you mean, Yeah, it's
not for redy so oh yeah, oh yeah, those that
was my I R a lot of a lot of
a lot of family stuff.
Speaker 3 (42:15):
They all, right, well we kind of new, but you
know now we really don't.
Speaker 4 (42:19):
Oh no, well look excuse me, Baker. Are those bugle
boy jeans you're wearing?
Speaker 3 (42:27):
Was that coordinated?
Speaker 5 (42:29):
By the way, did all you guys just decide to
wear bugle boy jeans together?
Speaker 3 (42:34):
Hell?
Speaker 2 (42:34):
No, you know that was Polo New York media man
the therapy session. They gave him a leak. Neighbors Now
they're asking Baker Mayfield's twenty.
Speaker 3 (42:46):
Off is that the New York medium was at Tampa.
I guess what I'm saying. I don't know.
Speaker 4 (42:49):
That might have sounded a little bit like New York,
like she was trying to get the drop on them,
Like what was the real what was the real reasoning
behind you guys doing that? She might have been trying.
It seemed like you might have been trying to flirt too,
Like it might have been like a little run it
back again, run it back again. It seemed like it
could be like you trying to get the drop on
(43:10):
it the inside, but it could have been flirting to
go Tommy.
Speaker 3 (43:14):
Yeah, it's a good dude. She got swag. Yeah, who
came up with that?
Speaker 6 (43:18):
Oh?
Speaker 3 (43:18):
I have no idea.
Speaker 8 (43:19):
I just see him do it.
Speaker 3 (43:20):
Who's like, I'm sorry, whose idea was it for you
to do that? And when did you know you're going
to do?
Speaker 8 (43:24):
You know, most of the times, I don't know what
I'm gonna do. So there's spontaneous stuff.
Speaker 4 (43:29):
That was just spontaneous that was not planned. I mean
even your teammates got into it too.
Speaker 2 (43:33):
Yeah, you know, New York fans loved Tommy.
Speaker 3 (43:37):
Really try to get down to the TD celebration game.
I haven't don a twenty three and me, but I
don't know. It's like, oh, this is hard hitting stuff here.
Let's let's figure out how this whole thing came about.
Speaker 4 (43:47):
It just gonna let you know, Baker, like you and
your teammates ran on doing it.
Speaker 7 (43:51):
So I just want to understand, like where did this
all come about?
Speaker 4 (43:55):
What gives are you Italian your health.
Speaker 3 (44:02):
Almost like okay, now changed my mind.
Speaker 4 (44:04):
She wasn't flirting, she was like she she's trying to
press charges. She's cause she's trying to get Baker to
catch the case. Just so you're saying, man, so you're
saying the twenty three in me was not used, is
(44:25):
what you're saying? And or you used it at seven o'clock. Yeah,
I used that.
Speaker 7 (44:31):
So you're saying you used it at nine o'clock.
Speaker 3 (44:34):
Yeah you use that. Yeah.
Speaker 4 (44:35):
You know you're been messed up now right, you know
you're done fed up now right. That's mean it's society.
Speaker 3 (44:40):
I hit y'all.
Speaker 4 (44:41):
I hit y'all with look back in the day one.
You know what I mean. It's siety. Bill Dupe, You
know what I mean, Bill Duke doing the interrogation, yeah whatever,
you know, I did that with him in real life
at the airport, sat with him on the airplane before
you know'll do Bill Duke. Yeah that's who it is, right,
that's his name, right, played in Predator or you know
the black Dude ball hit it. You know I'm talking
(45:03):
about Tall.
Speaker 3 (45:04):
The guy who cut himself shaving. Yeah, yeah, there you go.
Speaker 2 (45:06):
I know that was the other guy who cut his chest.
Speaker 3 (45:09):
Pretty certain, I don't want to be well, there was one
one guy cut his chest with a machete. Yeah, well
that was the Indian dude. Yeah. Yeah, that wasn't the
black dude. That was the Indian dude. Yeah that's Bill Duke.
I say I'm right now, man, Bill dou
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Speaker 4 (00:53):
By the way, this this opening song right here, it's
like kind of like highlight music. There were a few highlights.
I know, Jonas, you were underwhelmed by the games, but well,
the early games there was some I thought this was
some good highlight music in my head right now, like
I'm thinking of some of the plays that took place.
Speaker 3 (01:13):
Some highlights.
Speaker 2 (01:14):
There were some fun finishes, but I just yeah, not
the greatest schedule.
Speaker 4 (01:19):
That was a sloppy, by the way, interesting finish. If
you're talking about the one in particular.
Speaker 2 (01:24):
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not pay. Saquon Barkley just continues to look worse and
worse and worse. That performance last night. I'm not saying
and he's gonna do it. I doubt he would. They
would give it to him all of a sudden, Saquon
Barkley's and MVP Wow, why would?
Speaker 3 (02:06):
Why would they not do it?
Speaker 1 (02:08):
Like?
Speaker 4 (02:08):
It takes those Yeah, but it takes those types of
performances and those type of stat lines to be able
to get it. I mean, you look at guys like
Adrian Peterson that have won it, didn't LT want it.
I believe Laurence lad want it. I think you just
gotta be think both lts want it. You have Yeah,
well they didn't, which is that's really really rare. We
(02:28):
haven't seen that since him. I don't believe maybe ray
Lewis got it. I'm not sure anyway. I just think
the stats that that Saquan is putting up, the things
that he's doing, it's that of of uh A league MVP.
I mean, I know we can look at the usual suspects,
(02:48):
Lamar Jackson. Who else will we throw in there? You know, like, yeah,
Josh Allen is having a fine year.
Speaker 5 (02:58):
I just mean, bro, you could throw in their Unfortunately
they're just sticks not doing well.
Speaker 3 (03:02):
Team's not doing well.
Speaker 4 (03:04):
I just listen, if I had to look at it,
Josh Allen, that's definitely that's a that's a real He's
a real one. Like if they gave it to him,
I wouldn't be offended by it. Lamar Jackson is kind
of like I teeterr on it, even though I think
he is playing some amazing football.
Speaker 3 (03:23):
I teeter her on it.
Speaker 4 (03:25):
And and and Sakwon Barkley has clearly had the biggest
impact on a team out of any player in the
National Football League. That's I don't teeterr on that. But
does that make him the MVP. It's almost like the
conversation we were having about Travis Hunter and Shade or Sanders, like.
Speaker 3 (03:41):
Well, well and you guys want the MVP odds, Let's
get them. Let's get him, damn.
Speaker 5 (03:45):
So while you take a guess, we're our friends at
DraftKings have Shae Kwon Barkley currently listed for the MVP
like fourth? Oh close, but that's actually Jared Goff plus
six fifteen. All right, I'll say third.
Speaker 3 (04:01):
Okay. Something tells me Jonahs might have known this beforehand,
but yes, at least I played along five.
Speaker 5 (04:13):
Barkley is in third place as of right now current
giving the odds to win the NFL MVP, Josh Allen's
at plus one fifty Lamar Jackson at plus two seventy five.
Speaker 3 (04:24):
To you guys point though, I do think if he
it might take like.
Speaker 5 (04:28):
Performances like last night, which is pretty rare in the NFL.
Speaker 3 (04:33):
But if he does this.
Speaker 5 (04:34):
Again, I think he's going to climb his way into
that conversation in a more legitimate fashion.
Speaker 3 (04:40):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (04:41):
I think it has a lot to do with how
the team ends up going down the stretch as well, right,
I mean we mentioned Joe Burrow. He's having such a
fine year, but the team doesn't really give him their
Their lack of success doesn't really give them the opportunity
for him to get the recognition that he's deserving of.
When you look at what what does ego team is doing,
they're surging and such, they're trending in such a positive direction.
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It's almost like if they stay healthy, if they stay
healthy and they continue to play the way that they're playing,
because what's going on right now is this offensive line.
I know if you guys were probably listening to the
telecast of it all, but I guess they were talking
about how during the break that the old line all
huddled up and went and saw the coach and said, look,
let's get back to what we do. Let's get back
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to who we are. Let's get back to the identity
of who we are as a team, and that is
beating people to hell up upfront and running the ball.
And if that offensive line, as good as they are
and as massive as they are and as nasty as
they are up front, if they can stay healthy and
continue to play with that type of just determination and
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what it is that they do, that commitment to opening
up those holes. The things that Sakwon Barkley can do.
There's only a handful of backs that we've seen in
the history of the game, not just now in current football.
The things that he's able to do, there's only been
a handful of guys that can make the cuts and
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shift and and and quickness and change of speed and
change the direction and and and everything that comes along
with it. He's strong, he's he's he's got great balance,
his his vision is really good. These were the things
we saw him doing in New York. It's not new.
This is not something that's new, not.
Speaker 3 (06:34):
To this level. I don't think.
Speaker 2 (06:35):
Listen, he's already got more rushing yards than he ever had.
Speaker 4 (06:38):
The success level, I mean, he's doubled what he was
averaging in.
Speaker 3 (06:42):
New York with what he's doing right now.
Speaker 4 (06:45):
But the things that I'm not saying the amount of
statistical you know, categories and and what his numbers are,
I'm saying that, yeah.
Speaker 3 (06:54):
Yeah, the things he does, yeah, man.
Speaker 5 (06:56):
I think the difference though, too, is like it's not
the same offensive line. It's not no to sit there
and say if he's in New York, he oh, he'd
be doing this. It's like, well, probably not. I Mean,
they can't run the football quite as well. He's not
protected as much with some of the wide receivers that
they have in Philly, so you can't necessarily, I mean,
teams are gonna start load the box to stop him
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in the run the game, even though he's effective to
out of the backfield catching the football. But there's also
protection for the white house they have. If you want
to load up the box, okay, go do it. To
deal with guys like aj Brown DeVante Smith, you have
to deal with some of that potential. So it's a
it's a it's a different, a different problem I think
in Philly than it would have been in New.
Speaker 4 (07:37):
York one one hundred percent. And listen, I'm not saying
that again. Would New York be a better team with
say Kwon Barkley, Yes, Would they be a team that's winning?
Who knows? Probably not? Probably not if they're if they
were this close to tanking, they probably did say Kwon
(07:58):
Barkley a favor by letting him go. I mean, let's
be real here, with the way they're looking, they did
him a favor.
Speaker 3 (08:04):
Now with that being said, you hit it spot on.
Speaker 4 (08:07):
This is a team that's going in the right direction
and they don't even have everybody on the field yet,
Like they are looking like a tremendously balanced team. And
there right now they're missing Smith, like they get him back.
I feel like Dotson is he can it's there, like
that opportunity for him is there. If they start loading
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up this box to try to stop Saquon. You got Brown,
you got Smith, you got Dotson that's out there on
the edges, and you got a tight end, and you
got a tight end. To me, they're so they're so balanced,
they're so balanced that now you look at a guy
like Jalen Hurts and you say, all you gotta do
is hand the ball off and let him cook. Let
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Saquon cook. You don't have to do anything really crazy
that would lead to you getting injured, because I think
that if he gets injured, as much as he's taken
a maybe a back seat in terms of having to
do it on the ground that he's done in the
past that's put him in in harm's way to get injured,
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he doesn't have to do that anymore. And so if
he stays healthy and these receivers can stay healthy, I
think it all it all comes down to, if they
can stay healthy, this might be one of what two
or three teams in the NFC that I would say
can can stand up to what Detroit is doing. I
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think I saw the number last night somebody throughout that
he would do. You guys think it's possible the rest
of the way, Saquon Barkley yards from scrimmage could add,
could average one hundred and forty three yards from scrimmage
a game average.
Speaker 3 (09:47):
No, that'd be tough, Yeah, I mean it'd be tough.
Speaker 5 (09:51):
Possible too, Yeah, too many teams are going to adjust
or adapt and take him away.
Speaker 3 (09:56):
They're not going to allow him to beat him.
Speaker 2 (09:58):
So he's add sixteen one hundred and change. The all
time record is Chris Johnson at twenty five o nine.
I mean the fact that it's even you know, you're
kind of kicking it around and thinking about the possibility,
just shows you he's been fantastic man, and the guy's
averaging over six yards of carry. So, like the offensive
line with losing Jason Kelcey last night, just completely.
Speaker 4 (10:24):
Imagine if they have Jason Kelcey with Sakwon Barkley might
not even be fair.
Speaker 2 (10:29):
It reminds me of Ashton genty To, where like you're
having the discussion about him as a Heisman Trophy candidate,
it's like, well, like that's he's their guy.
Speaker 3 (10:38):
Like he went he was in a due this is
a college football reference. Well no, I'm just yeah, okay,
there you go. Yeah yeah, this is a college fullball
reference from Jonas. Yes, yeah, tell those guys.
Speaker 5 (10:48):
I just know somebody I know some of the listeners
like Jonas does not like college football, have told them.
I'm like, dude, he does all right. He gambles on
and loses on it all the time.
Speaker 4 (10:56):
Must be from all that, I guess, I guess.
Speaker 3 (11:00):
But you looking at you go.
Speaker 2 (11:03):
They could just rely They don't even have to really,
they could throw the ball a little bit. But you've
got Davante Smith who's out, as you mentioned, AJ Brown
not having the same year that he's had in years past.
They just rely on Saquon Barkley and the MVP discussion.
Although relevant and worthy of it, it feels like this
is exactly why the Offensive Player of the Year Award exists,
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so that it gives them a bailout that the guy
who doesn't win the MVP will just throw them the
OPO Y, just like they did.
Speaker 4 (11:32):
Cooper Cus that's always the guy. It's the non quarterback,
so like it. How many times do you see no
A quarterback win that position, that offensive player of the year.
Yeah no, it doesn't even that doesn't. I don't ever
really see a quarterback when it's not happening. Yeah, so
I think you got that one right.
Speaker 3 (11:48):
Listen.
Speaker 4 (11:48):
They got the they got the AFC North that they
got to go up up against, they got the Ravens,
and they had the Steelers. I don't see him getting
one hundred and forty yards against those defenses.
Speaker 2 (11:58):
So, I mean the way that the way Mike Cleveland
brown sliced and diced the Steelers the other night, I
don't know, anything is possible.
Speaker 4 (12:05):
Anything possibly mean that was in a blizzard. I mean,
and they you don't know that.
Speaker 5 (12:10):
They claim the Browns yea woy would you claim your
team is the Bears?
Speaker 3 (12:15):
They were close, fell short, no cigar, but you're.
Speaker 5 (12:19):
So happy because they covered your three and a half
point spread y Bears.
Speaker 3 (12:23):
Hook the hook.
Speaker 2 (12:28):
Meanwhile, on the other side of it, the New York Giants.
New York Giants can continue to find new waves to
just look really bad. Oh this is a really bad
year for them to see their acts.
Speaker 3 (12:41):
Hap that's not like they have any players though, airing
out their head coach.
Speaker 2 (12:44):
No, no, no, no, No, you mean like Molik Neighbors,
who's been in the NFL for about fifteen minutes eided.
Do you know what, let me go ahead and expose
my team and my coaching stawn.
Speaker 3 (12:54):
And there's no loyalties.
Speaker 5 (12:56):
On the first play of the second half, he makes
a cut.
Speaker 3 (13:00):
I didn't think ever sounds weird.
Speaker 4 (13:02):
That's definitely not believed to describe this loss, Sulfus, How
disupported are you? Very?
Speaker 3 (13:11):
What are you most disupported?
Speaker 1 (13:12):
A bound?
Speaker 6 (13:13):
I mean's al man, I'm taller going out there and losing.
Speaker 3 (13:19):
Shouts up.
Speaker 6 (13:20):
I mean, I don't know, Broa.
Speaker 3 (13:24):
The quarterback change could be to provide more apart it to.
Speaker 6 (13:27):
Me obviously, it ain't the quarterback. The same homecoming we
had DJ quarterback. I mean, take a look, take a look.
It ain't the quarterback. I don't know what it is.
Everybody know better than me.
Speaker 4 (13:39):
We'll take three hard.
Speaker 3 (13:40):
I don't know.
Speaker 6 (13:41):
I don't know what it is, but I know I'm
tired of losing.
Speaker 3 (13:44):
Is he eating food?
Speaker 1 (13:45):
Right?
Speaker 6 (13:47):
A girl?
Speaker 3 (13:48):
Like the biggest rod of Governan's mouth that he's chewing him?
What do you think it is? Juicy?
Speaker 6 (13:54):
For?
Speaker 3 (13:55):
It must have been some juicy fruit. Pause.
Speaker 4 (13:57):
Hey, hey, but for real, though, what when when immediate
person gets that that connection, they feel like you didn't
You're the connected widow.
Speaker 3 (14:09):
They be like, well, Jonas, what do you mean? What
do you mean? What could have gone better? Tell me
sounds like a therapist.
Speaker 4 (14:19):
Tell me, tell me more, Tell me more about how
you feel, Jonas.
Speaker 3 (14:24):
They went right for it.
Speaker 2 (14:25):
Yeah, could you play that again? He went right for
Listen to the follow up question. He plays neighbors just
laying on his couch.
Speaker 4 (14:31):
Let me know how you feel, Elik, did you have
exact the quarterback change to be to provide more of
a spartan it to me?
Speaker 6 (14:37):
Obviously, it ain't the quarterback. Same homecoming we had a
DJ quarterback. I mean, take a look at take a look.
It ain't the quarterback.
Speaker 3 (14:44):
I don't know what it is. Everybody know better than me.
Speaker 4 (14:48):
He's it.
Speaker 3 (14:49):
We'll take three more. I don't know, I don't know.
Speaker 6 (14:51):
I don't know what it is.
Speaker 3 (14:52):
I know I'm trying to lose words today. Would you
use to describe the sce socius? How disappointed are you?
How disappointed? What are you most disappointed about?
Speaker 4 (15:05):
What are you most disappointed about? That's good we can
start right there. We can start right there. How disappointed
are you about this man? That team sucks?
Speaker 3 (15:15):
They stink? Bruh. Let me tell you something. Maybe it's bad,
but maybe it's good. I don't know. You guys, you know,
have your opinions on it, but.
Speaker 4 (15:25):
The ability to state how you truly feel today is
so much more far and away acceptable.
Speaker 3 (15:36):
It's tolerable and and and in.
Speaker 4 (15:39):
Some cases it's actually celebrated and and people you know,
buy into it. I mean, most of us, this is crazy,
but it's an interesting todd Most of us coming from
from college didn't lose. I hadn't lost since ever going
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into the pros. Never lost in youth league, we were
the best, never lost. In high school. We were generally
pretty much the best, like always competing for playoff state title, college,
always competing for a national title. No more than three
losses ever ever, no more like that's it. And those
were tough games that we got, those losses, and that
(16:24):
was the most. You get to the pros and it's like,
whoa wait, hold on, what is this. It's like it
is such a body shock, a cultural shock, like emotional,
mental like you name it. It is such a shock to
your system when you have been a winner and now
(16:47):
you're losing and there's no like, there's no solution that
can be camp put out there to remedy. What the
hell is going on? Say that back in the day,
something bad is gonna happen.
Speaker 3 (17:04):
I don't know what it is.
Speaker 4 (17:05):
They bench you or something bad happens because of the
lack of you did not have these type of platforms.
Speaker 3 (17:12):
You did not have the voice was not.
Speaker 4 (17:14):
As established for the athlete as it was in years past.
It's like Malik, neighbors are saying, and people are sitting
there like he's right. They do stink. He isn't a
bad situation. It ain't the quarterback. We got a different quarterback.
We got worse result. Think about it. You couldn't say
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that back in the day. You guys answer me, this
does that because to me, I think the way this
everything is set up anymore, it is almost it is
close to almost impossible to have success because you're not
gonna have enough time as a coaching staff.
Speaker 3 (17:52):
You're just not.
Speaker 4 (17:53):
So if you can get it going, then you won,
but generally it's gonna take time. Has this changed the
rules of engagement because players can they can air you out.
You don't get as much time to earn the respect
and earn the trust of a player. They don't like you,
they don't like you, and either they're gonna go or
that coach is gonna go. But there's gonna be pressure
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from the public for that ownership group, the decision makers
to do something. You got your best player on the
team sitting there complaining and his shot fired was at
either the coaches or at the front office, or at
ownership or all of the above. How do you operate
like that?
Speaker 2 (18:36):
And it kind of feels like the Giants put themselves
in that spot because and this was a report that
came out that you know, players were bothered by the
way they handled the Daniel Jones stuff. And now he's released.
He's gonna sign with whoever he's gonna sign with. But
they just look, we're not done. We know it was
a business decision. It was about money, et cetera, et cetera,
et cetera. Like we were discussing last week, just letting go,
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and they just and they opened themselves up to this
and now Malik Neighbors is just airing everybody out. My
question is we all thought based on what happened last
week that all right, this is a sign that, look,
Joe Shane is safe, that Brian Dave balls safe. That
was really really bad yesterday. And now you've got guys
in the locker room with a mouthful of big league
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chew just ripping everybody to.
Speaker 4 (19:20):
No support, no support, direct shot, like if this was
battleship ship, if this was battle if this was if
we were playing battleship it right, I got it rightly, man,
Damn I didn't hit you now now I know, I
(19:42):
know the coordinates. Now there's a Hey, listen, there's only
two three more coordinates that I'm a miss the rest
of them. I'm gonna hit you, and I hope, I
hope I keep hitting, because then I'm gonna know what
that What size your boat is?
Speaker 3 (19:54):
Listen? Your ship is?
Speaker 4 (19:55):
You know, those of you that played the old school
game battleship, you know you know what I'm talking about.
Speaker 2 (20:00):
There you go, great, Cam, Oh yeah, so not great.
Speaker 4 (20:02):
Somebody's battleship is getting sunk. I'll tell you that. In
New York. Be interesting to see who it is. Daniel Jones.
His ship is already off off of the board. Oh yeah,
Sakwon Barkley. His ship has already been hit. It's off
of the board. You only get what like five six, seven?
I think it's like six ships.
Speaker 3 (20:20):
I don't know.
Speaker 4 (20:22):
Better, be careful now go I hit that battleship soon. Well,
I think your game was better, though, I sink your battleship.
Speaker 2 (20:33):
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Speaker 2 (21:24):
I mean the race to get the number one pick.
Who they'll know that, who knows how that's going to
shake up? The Raiders are not a good football team.
Gardner Minshew broke his collar bone yesterday. But that's why
I look at Miami, I look at Denver, and I
go I don't think either of those teams are legitimate
contenders in the AFC, but at least they're interesting towards
the bottom of the pack of fringe playoff team slash
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playoff teams.
Speaker 4 (21:46):
And they're on to move. Man, they're good. They're f
on a move. They're on the move. I don't know
what that means and totality, but they are.
Speaker 5 (21:56):
Let me ask you this, if it means this, does
that make it worse on Las Vegas for how the
draft went, how the season's gone.
Speaker 3 (22:03):
Like it that's in your division? They were want to
pick ahead? Yeah, I just I think.
Speaker 5 (22:10):
I mean because because because one of a couple of
things either happened, you either got duped in regards to
who they were going to take Denver is going to
take that spot potentially, or how that the you know,
the draft is going to go with the quarterbacks, or
you at a bad evaluation, like you overlooked that guy
and didn't try to go make a look, you know,
make it work for that guy, and getting to take
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a guy like Bonnicks.
Speaker 3 (22:33):
He looks good, man, he looks great.
Speaker 5 (22:35):
He looks I mean, if if we're gonna rick again,
go back over this rookie class. I would looked Caleb,
but thought might have played his best game even though
it's in a losing effort, made some special throws, special plays,
has no run support, and still goes out there and
finds ways of like being competitive in games Jaden and Washington.
Speaker 3 (22:54):
It was a hot star man. But yeah, but it's
it's it's it's.
Speaker 5 (22:58):
Not what it was in the beginning of the season.
Like I would say, he's starting to kind of fall
back a bit. I mean they lost through the last four. Yeah,
it's it's not the same effectiveness as what they've had.
Speaker 4 (23:08):
That lost yesterday was an indictment. The last two I
would give him a pass just because they're good teams,
but well.
Speaker 3 (23:13):
The rookies too. I'm not let you know.
Speaker 5 (23:16):
I'm just saying that if you were to go back
and look at how teams, you know, graded the quarterbacks
and slotted them, I think a lot of people passed
up on.
Speaker 3 (23:24):
Bo Nicks, and he has come out and.
Speaker 5 (23:26):
He's looked every bit the part of a guy that
should be up for Rookie of the Year.
Speaker 4 (23:31):
So I think it comes back to the conversation we
had before about if Caleb Williams went to Kansas City,
would he be what Patrick Mahomes is right now versus
if Patrick Mahomes went to the Bears, it'd be like, y'all,
I messed that up too. I think Sean Payton had
a clear idea of what he had in bow Knicks
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if he were able to get him, and felt as
though this was like this was going to be the
ultimate poker hand to be able to get him at
the pick that he did, and it worked.
Speaker 3 (24:03):
He said.
Speaker 2 (24:04):
Sean Payton said in August, I think he was talking
with Peter Schrager and he said in August that they
were worried about the Raiders moving up. So he actually
called the Raiders and asked them if they were interested
in moving up, and the Raiders said no to try
and sort of push them off towards Yeah, listen, maybe
they're not in the looking for a quarterback because they're
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thinking about moving back, and then they ended up pulling
the trigger and they landed bon Nicks one pick before.
I mean, brock Bowers has been great too, But you know,
it's just a completely different conversation between the two teams.
Speaker 5 (24:37):
It's again, yeah, it's not like it was a bad pick, Like, Okay,
that's not the conversation we're having.
Speaker 3 (24:51):
They wanted a quarterback.
Speaker 4 (24:52):
Like, let's be clear, there's no debating the fact that Antonio.
Speaker 3 (24:59):
The full back. I get you. I'm just saying, it's
not like somebody throwing the ball though.
Speaker 5 (25:05):
Yeah, dude, Like that's a type of mess up that
like literally you're probably not keeping your job.
Speaker 4 (25:11):
After it's And that's sad because again, it was not
a military secret that this group wanted to get a quarterback.
They wanted to move up to get a quarterback. They
they whether they had the capital to be able to
do it, what one reason or another that they needed
to try to do it to get a quarterback, but
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going into the season not having a defined guy that
could be the starting guy, even though I know, I know,
we'll say Minshees started off fairly well in the year.
I get that, but he's still a professional backup. And
and to me, if my if my first thought was
(25:54):
I'm the new head coach here and the one thing
we need to do that's imperative to us having an
opportunity to compete just in our conference, just here in
our conference, in our division. We need to get a quarterback,
no doubt about it. Hands down these guys that we
got O'Connell. You know we brought a Minshew. Okay, these
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guys can battle it out for second, but we need
a guy. We need a guy that the team can
get behind. We need a guy that this city can
get behind, the fan base can get behind. We need
a guy and they did not do it. Now, who
do you hold accountable for that when you know that
the head coach made it abundantly clear that that's what
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they were looking for, and you didn't do it in
the draft. So that's why I asked the question about
Michael Pennix, because was it once Michael Pennix went to
the Falcons at eight, I think they were going for
higher than Michael Pennock. Yeah, I think they were trying
to be aggressive enough. I don't even know that Michael
Pennix would have been like this is who we wanted,
(26:58):
Like this is what we're going with, this is who
we wanted. I don't even know that he fit the
bill for that and what they were trying to do
in the draft.
Speaker 2 (27:06):
If Michael Pennix was there, would they have taken him
over brock.
Speaker 4 (27:09):
Battle, I don't. I don't have the answer for that.
I don't have the answer for that, which means that
at the end of the day, if Michael Pennix is there,
then that means bow Knicks is there. And then it
comes back to the original conversation, like somebody undervalued bow Knicks.
Speaker 2 (27:26):
Do you just call Antonio Pierce right now and get
the answer? But what are you waiting around her?
Speaker 3 (27:29):
Like so let's stop farting around here and gets a man.
Speaker 4 (27:31):
McCarthy gets hurt. So we don't know the sample size
of McCarthy. Penix goes to Atlanta, but he's not playing
much because Cousins is playing. Knowing what we know now
and my changed question, and I know we did this
before because I brought up Erlacker. Knowing what we know Now,
would you have taken bow Knicks before McCarthy or Pinnix.
Speaker 2 (27:53):
Yeah, knowing what we know now, Q.
Speaker 3 (27:57):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (27:57):
I mean, like, here's the interesting thing about up the
evaluations of quarterbacks. If you were in a base last
year's draft on the tape and then I actually think
you could go back through some of the most recent
years and make this claim. If you just went off
who performed the best on film, it would have been
Jaden Daniels number one. You would have had Michael Pennox
(28:20):
number two, bow Knicks number three, Caleb Williams number four.
That's how you would have made the selections in this
past year's draft. It just purely based on tape from
the most recent season. Now, if you want to go
back to the entire body of work, look at everything.
You know, Caleb jumps up a little higherbviously had a
Heisman Trophy winning season. You know bo Nix the past
(28:41):
two years at at you know, both Oregon Washington, same
thing with Pennix. They both played really well. So I'm
not sure that would have changed a ton. Penix, you know,
probably would have still been ahead of Knicks slightly, but
it would have benefited Caleb Williams more than anyone else.
Speaker 3 (28:57):
The point I'm basically making.
Speaker 5 (28:58):
Is that sometimes these these teams, when they're evaluating a
lot of the prospects, they kind of look past the
most important thing.
Speaker 3 (29:07):
It's like, well, what they do most recently. Y're like
how they look on the field.
Speaker 5 (29:10):
How they perform, Like, let's not overthink this whole thing,
like how they look playing football. So and I know
there might be some jajon McCarthy. Fans are like, hey, man,
like you want a national championship? He did, he did,
but he wasn't asked to do as much, and he
delivered when he was asked to and and he made
that team a winning football team during his time as
a starting quarterback in Michigan. But the rest had a
(29:33):
lot more on tape that you could feel a little
more confident as far as making that selection. And obviously
McCarthy's hurt, so we don't know what he's gonna end
up being. But either way, like that's how I think
the draft would have been slotted. If you're purely taking
a base on the tape from this their last year
in college.
Speaker 2 (29:51):
I mean, you know, there could be a future Hall
of Famer looking for you know, an opportunity.
Speaker 4 (29:57):
Daniel Jones is available right now. You know he's going
to clear waivers today, right He's going to be available
if you're the if you're the see to me, I
think it's like, is it too late. I don't want
to take I don't want to risk bringing in a
situation where I can be judged off of a miss
(30:20):
if I bring like if you win, If you bring
them in and it works out, that's great. But if
I'm a coach or a GM and I bring in
a guy like Daniel Jones who has potential, has shown
that they can throw the ball and can run an offense,
it just didn't work out the way that it was
supposed to in the place he's leaving. If I bring
him in now at this late in the juncture of
(30:42):
the season and it doesn't work out, I'm losing my job.
I'd rather lose with what I have if we're having
a s season right now, If we're having a bad
season right now, lose then to try to bring in
(31:02):
a guy like Daniel Jones that's available and bring him
in and risk losing after bringing him in.
Speaker 2 (31:10):
Hey, Brady, what's the drop off between Shador Sanders and
the next guy in the draft.
Speaker 5 (31:16):
Again, it's tough because if you're basing it purely on
the tape, it's not as big of a drop off
to cam Ward in my opinion, Like I think how
I'd view it based on what's happened so far this season,
Shador Sanders has one cam Ward is two, and some
people might debate that. But the thing I appreciate and
I give Shador Sanders a leg up on cam Ward
(31:39):
is he's running more of an NFL style system. You know,
Pat Schermmer's roots go back to the NFL, and the
concepts things are asking him to do. The things they're
asking to do with in the offense and even how
he plays from the pocket are more what he's going
to be asked to do once he gets to the
NFL level. Cam Warden has some He's got a phenomen
(32:00):
albility to stay poised, make plays he could make all
the throws he obviously can create too. But as much
as he makes these incredible plays, there's also these plays
where you're going, what the hell was that?
Speaker 3 (32:11):
You know? I mean, there was literally one play this
week and.
Speaker 5 (32:18):
To the beginning of the play when he got rushed,
I was like, Oh, he made like a little move
and I was like, that's gonna be this is gonna
be something special.
Speaker 3 (32:24):
And then as he flipped the ball to I believe
it was this tight.
Speaker 5 (32:28):
End, maybe he kind of wasn't looking and the ball
just kind of floated right past him and went to
the defender to make an interception. I'm like, oh, that
went from like what could have been a highlight reel
play to a highlight reel for the other team. And
you see that at times, or you see these plays
where you go, what the hell was that?
Speaker 2 (32:45):
Like early Josh Allen in his NFL career.
Speaker 5 (32:48):
Yeah, kinda Again, you could probably find some other colleg
football references if you want, but you know, I, I know
you watch NFL exclusively. So the whole point is Cam
is right up there with them, and then it's probably Carson,
which I think at the beginning of the season, Carson
Beck to me was gonna be the number one guy
the way he finished last year to heading into the
(33:08):
draft if he just showcased what he did the second
half of last year at Georgia for the entirety of
the season. His season has not gone that way for him,
And if you comb through it. It's not all on him.
I'm not trying to The protection has been shoddy at times,
but mostly it's been the receivers not helping him out.
But that being said, he's probably been the one that
(33:28):
I think has taken the biggest hit. But those are
your top three, and I would say because of the
way the season's gone for Beck so far, there's a
lot of football left.
Speaker 3 (33:37):
He would be in the third position. But think about this.
Speaker 5 (33:39):
I mean, if they go on to run and then
making the playoff, that's gonna be our our last you know,
we're going to recall a recollection of how he played
this season if they end up winning it all and
he plays really well throughout the playoffs.
Speaker 3 (33:52):
So again, a lot of football left we played. That's
probably the order right now.
Speaker 4 (33:55):
The Doors showed a lot of toughness this past weekend.
Speaker 3 (33:58):
I'll tell you that, buddy. It's everyone week It's not.
It's not. If you watch them. He was getting hit
almost every single time. Man, he's getting hit.
Speaker 4 (34:08):
And Travis Hunter continues to prove that he should win
the Heisman.
Speaker 3 (34:13):
Jack Jaggs Giants Raiders. As you three, here's the hard
thing about Yeah, sorry, just went back in NFL. Here's
the hard thing about that is he gets so mad too.
He's like, dude, I watch college football. It's like, all right,
Geny's gone off too.
Speaker 5 (34:30):
This is this is gonna be as tight of a
race I think for the Heisman as we've had. I
don't think this is like a runaway. I think this
is gonna be a lot tighter than people realize. Boys
clinched the Malt West Championship game. They clinched like the
Malt West Championship game they'll be hosting. And so Colorado
now could be in the outside looking in.
Speaker 3 (34:51):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (34:51):
Well, if you listen what I'm saying, like, he's gonna
have an extra opportunity because if all the favorites win
this week in the Big Twelve, which we can go
through that scenario, at some point, it's going to be
Iowa State in Arizona State, which no one would have
foresaw three two weeks ago.
Speaker 3 (35:04):
Arizona State got with it this weekend. Well Camp Scattaboo man.
Speaker 2 (35:10):
Yeah, so uh yeah, So Raiders, Giants, Jacks top three.
Speaker 3 (35:16):
In the NFL draft. Yeah, what are the odds? Are
DraftKings have the NFL odds?
Speaker 2 (35:22):
Oh No, I'm just looking to tank a thought right now,
Ohs Giants Raiders race for Shador in the NFL Draft.
Speaker 3 (35:28):
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thank you guys. Brady Jonas knocks with you.
Speaker 2 (35:37):
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Speaker 5 (36:18):
I know we talked about sae Quon earlier, but h
how much of that is an indictment on Joe Shane
and the decision Because like every single week you watch
a player you let go to a divisional opponent, go
off and now be in the MVP conversation. But it's
not just that. Look at Xavier McKinney two for the
(36:39):
Green bit Packers. Like I was thinking, we were talking
about Lee more about football than the actual lickly himself.
Speaker 3 (36:46):
Off the field.
Speaker 5 (36:47):
I was like, man, that's the other thing is like
they let him go and he's had an unbelievable year
this year.
Speaker 3 (36:53):
It's just it's what are they doing?
Speaker 5 (36:56):
I don't know, but like you wonder if the Mara
family will go back on their word and after the season,
when they have a chance to reevaluate, go, yeah, we're
gonna have to make some changes here.
Speaker 4 (37:06):
I just know that man gave them for shadowing on
that show. Like he got up off of that little
desk and was like, listen, hey guys, I'm going to
have a really really hard time sleeping at night knowing
that Shakoon Barkley went to the Philadelphia Eagles and them
dudes was sitting at the desk smiling, skinning and grinning
(37:28):
with what they had going on.
Speaker 7 (37:29):
You ain't skinning and grinning right now.
Speaker 3 (37:31):
I'll tell you that they've quit.
Speaker 2 (37:34):
If your team quits isn't that an indictment on what
the situation is there from a coaching standpoint and in
front of yes, that's why I think.
Speaker 4 (37:41):
Is as good a coach as day Ball is, and
we all know day Ball is a good coach.
Speaker 3 (37:47):
As good as he is.
Speaker 4 (37:49):
The sad part of this in the nature of what
took place, is you took away the ability for him
to be viewed fairly fairly in this in this scenario,
it's not going to play out well for him based
upon the way this team is interpreting and internalizing that
(38:11):
we heard that would have gum mouthful of gum from
elite neighbors, right. I don't know if he was talking
about the coach. If he was talking like I said earlier,
I don't know who he was, who he was aiming at.
But he wasn't aiming at Daniel Jones. He wasn't aiming
at Sakwan Barkley. He was aiming at somebody that made decisions.
Speaker 3 (38:28):
Whether that's a hit, he said it specifical.
Speaker 4 (38:31):
There you go, same same same results, different quarterback. We're losing.
Speaker 2 (38:36):
I just I think that they probably had a thought
and we mentioned this before to where yeah, well, you
know they're going to keep the same guys. They don't
want to have dysfunction and turn over from a coaching standpoint.
But that was as bad as it looked all year yesterday.
And you know, it's not like you were playing the Lions.
I mean, Tampa Bay's a good team. I think Tampa
(38:56):
Bay and I hope they win the NFC South because
I'm sick of the Falcon. But Tampa Bay went in
there and that game wasn't close. I mean Baker Mayfield, yeah,
you know, the Tommy cutlets or whatever. Yeah, like he's
having fun. There's dancing on graves.
Speaker 1 (39:14):
We have.
Speaker 3 (39:15):
We have postgame sound of that, the reporters asking like,
oh are you Italian? Do you do you have Italian
blood in you? Is that why you were doing it?
It's like I will know I haven't done a twenty
three and me like, no, dude, we're laughing. We're laughing
at what we're playing against. You know, that's essentially what
we're doing.
Speaker 5 (39:34):
It's like a middle finger without actually doing the middle
finger to our opponent at this point, like that, That's
what that was like. When when you're running fifty yards
downfield as a quarterback, laying blocks for your running back.
It just goes to show you like that's the difference
between these two teams. So that just sometimes the.
Speaker 3 (39:52):
Media, man, I'm like, what are we doing? Like what
what questions are you asking these players?
Speaker 2 (39:58):
I mean, there's got to be for as much regret
as you know, like the Giants fans are sitting there
watching Saquon Barkley in prime time all of a sudden
throw himself into the MVP conversation. There's got to be
some conversation in Cleveland of Browns, Fancy and Baker Mayfield
going what the f man, how did we screw that up?
Like like like how did you screw up Baker Mayfield
(40:19):
in Cleveland? Only to see what he's playing like right now,
because there's not a lot of quarterbacks in the NFC,
I would take over Baker Mayfield right now.
Speaker 3 (40:26):
Oh wow, Like there's not a lot.
Speaker 2 (40:29):
No no, no, no, Like he's like he's a top
tier quarterback in the NFL, especially this year. Now Mike
Evans is back and he did speak post game after
the beating they gave to the Giants tribute to Tommy.
Speaker 3 (40:40):
Yeah, he's a good dude.
Speaker 8 (40:42):
Shots wag, Yeah, who came up with that, Oh, I
have no idea. I just see him do it.
Speaker 3 (40:47):
No, who's I'm sorry? Whose idea was it for you
to do that? And when did you know you were
going to do it?
Speaker 8 (40:51):
You know most of the times, I don't know what
I'm going to do. So there's spontaneous stuff that was just.
Speaker 4 (40:56):
Spontaneous that was not played.
Speaker 3 (40:58):
I mean even your teammates got into it.
Speaker 8 (41:00):
Yeah, you know, New York fans love Tommy here and
give him something.
Speaker 4 (41:04):
They like, are you Italian? By the chancer?
Speaker 1 (41:06):
Now?
Speaker 8 (41:06):
I haven't done a twenty three and me, but I
don't know.
Speaker 3 (41:10):
What is Who is that reporter man New York? Someone
to be like, come on, are we beat serious right now?
Was that doubt? Are you Italian? It was that Mary?
Was that Mary Kay?
Speaker 4 (41:24):
Teammates got involved with it.
Speaker 3 (41:28):
And it looked like everybody was joining in. Don't go
do that, Joe just trying to say, all women sound
like that's a.
Speaker 5 (41:34):
That's a saying that Jonas that all of a sudden,
the Tampa Bay Bugs beat reporter sounds like.
Speaker 2 (41:40):
Someone from Cleveland and you people are all the same.
Speaker 7 (41:43):
Can you explained to me where that was that planned?
Speaker 2 (41:48):
You know, maybe Brady didn't know he was Italian. Then
he took us twenty three and he.
Speaker 3 (41:53):
Found out he was Irish. Yeah, well I found out.
I know what I found out.
Speaker 5 (41:59):
I was found out a lot more, a lot more
about that of lads. What do you mean, Yeah, it's
not for redy so oh yeah, oh yeah, those that
was my I R a lot of a lot of
a lot of family stuff.
Speaker 3 (42:15):
They all, right, well we kind of new, but you
know now we really don't.
Speaker 4 (42:19):
Oh no, well look excuse me, Baker. Are those bugle
boy jeans you're wearing?
Speaker 3 (42:27):
Was that coordinated?
Speaker 5 (42:29):
By the way, did all you guys just decide to
wear bugle boy jeans together?
Speaker 3 (42:34):
Hell?
Speaker 2 (42:34):
No, you know that was Polo New York media man
the therapy session. They gave him a leak. Neighbors Now
they're asking Baker Mayfield's twenty.
Speaker 3 (42:46):
Off is that the New York medium was at Tampa.
I guess what I'm saying. I don't know.
Speaker 4 (42:49):
That might have sounded a little bit like New York,
like she was trying to get the drop on them,
Like what was the real what was the real reasoning
behind you guys doing that? She might have been trying.
It seemed like you might have been trying to flirt too,
Like it might have been like a little run it
back again, run it back again. It seemed like it
could be like you trying to get the drop on
(43:10):
it the inside, but it could have been flirting to
go Tommy.
Speaker 3 (43:14):
Yeah, it's a good dude. She got swag. Yeah, who
came up with that?
Speaker 6 (43:18):
Oh?
Speaker 3 (43:18):
I have no idea.
Speaker 8 (43:19):
I just see him do it.
Speaker 3 (43:20):
Who's like, I'm sorry, whose idea was it for you
to do that? And when did you know you're going
to do?
Speaker 8 (43:24):
You know, most of the times, I don't know what
I'm gonna do. So there's spontaneous stuff.
Speaker 4 (43:29):
That was just spontaneous that was not planned. I mean
even your teammates got into it too.
Speaker 2 (43:33):
Yeah, you know, New York fans loved Tommy.
Speaker 3 (43:37):
Really try to get down to the TD celebration game.
I haven't don a twenty three and me, but I
don't know. It's like, oh, this is hard hitting stuff here.
Let's let's figure out how this whole thing came about.
Speaker 4 (43:47):
It just gonna let you know, Baker, like you and
your teammates ran on doing it.
Speaker 7 (43:51):
So I just want to understand, like where did this
all come about?
Speaker 4 (43:55):
What gives are you Italian your health.
Speaker 3 (44:02):
Almost like okay, now changed my mind.
Speaker 4 (44:04):
She wasn't flirting, she was like she she's trying to
press charges. She's cause she's trying to get Baker to
catch the case. Just so you're saying, man, so you're
saying the twenty three in me was not used, is
(44:25):
what you're saying? And or you used it at seven o'clock. Yeah,
I used that.
Speaker 7 (44:31):
So you're saying you used it at nine o'clock.
Speaker 3 (44:34):
Yeah you use that. Yeah.
Speaker 4 (44:35):
You know you're been messed up now right, you know
you're done fed up now right. That's mean it's society.
Speaker 3 (44:40):
I hit y'all.
Speaker 4 (44:41):
I hit y'all with look back in the day one.
You know what I mean. It's siety. Bill Dupe, You
know what I mean, Bill Duke doing the interrogation, yeah whatever,
you know, I did that with him in real life
at the airport, sat with him on the airplane before
you know'll do Bill Duke. Yeah that's who it is, right,
that's his name, right, played in Predator or you know
the black Dude ball hit it. You know I'm talking
(45:03):
about Tall.
Speaker 3 (45:04):
The guy who cut himself shaving. Yeah, yeah, there you go.
Speaker 2 (45:06):
I know that was the other guy who cut his chest.
Speaker 3 (45:09):
Pretty certain, I don't want to be well, there was one
one guy cut his chest with a machete. Yeah, well
that was the Indian dude. Yeah. Yeah, that wasn't the
black dude. That was the Indian dude. Yeah that's Bill Duke.
I say I'm right now, man, Bill dou
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