November 29, 2024 • 32 mins
Brian Noe & Jason Martin are in for the guys as they talk about the Bears blunder in the last 30 seconds of the game vs the Lions, what is the actual ceiling for the Dolphins after their loss against the Patriots, some questions revolving the college football playoff format & more!
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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Speaker 2 (00:11):
Wow, Oh, good morning everybody.
Speaker 3 (00:15):
Hope you had a happy Thanksgiving.
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I'll tell you who didn't have a happy Thanksgiving. That
would be the Chicago Bears. My lord, can you believe
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like you can lose games? Fine, but the way the
Bears loss to the Lions without calling time out as
the final thirty seconds just ticked off the clock and
they end up losing that way. I just can't think
of a more embarrassing way. Oh wait, wait, it's the
same team a little bit earlier against the Washington Commanders
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giving up a hail mary while one of the defensive backs,
Tyreek Stevenson, was talking trash to the crowd as the
hail mary was playing out.
Speaker 3 (01:12):
What a disaster for the Bears. This season. Man.
Speaker 4 (01:16):
First off, happy Thanksgiving, and yes, I don't know what
to say about how that game ended other than the
coach and then the coach afterwards trying to explain it.
And I know we're going to get into the comments.
He didn't totally throw his quarterback under the bus or
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his team under the bus, but he kind of did.
And the problem was, he said, well, here's what we
wanted to do. We wanted to get it to eighteen
and then we wanted to call that last time out,
kick that field, go get a few more yards. I
like what we did there, he said. He's like, I
like what we did there. But then you know, we're
just gonna have to execute better and all this kind
of stuff, like, coach, listen, you had thirty seconds, you
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got one snap off, You had a chance very easily
to kick a field goal at the very least, or
at least give your team a better chance into the
end zone after the sack. Neither of those things happened.
You had said, you know, you wanted the quarterback to
go ahead and get the ball snapped. You wanted him
to snap it around eighteen seconds, and then when he didn't,
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you just stood there like you didn't call the time
out immediately.
Speaker 3 (02:25):
To help your quarterback, who maybe was a little overwhelmed
in the circumstance.
Speaker 4 (02:29):
He had had three touchdowns and played an unbelievable second
half against maybe the best team in football on their
field on Thanksgiving, twelve games into his NFL career. He
had done everything under the sun for you. Maybe he
had gotten lost in that moment. It was super loud,
didn't know the circumstance, didn't know that he had a
time out to burn all these things that happened. By
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the way, you called a timeout when the clock was stopped,
So we'll also point that out.
Speaker 3 (02:55):
But all this stuff is going on and you're telling
me that we just had to execute it.
Speaker 4 (03:00):
So you just stood there and let the time keep
ticking instead of helping your quarterback, instead of just calling
the time out. We can say, yeah, Caleb Williams, you know,
could have been more aware in that circumstance for sure,
But when you recognize he's not, you're supposed to help him.
Speaker 3 (03:15):
That's what you are. You're the head football coach.
Speaker 4 (03:17):
You're supposed to, you know, be that last line of
defense that if they can't do it, maybe you can
short of going on the field and actually playing, and
yet you didn't. And this is what bad teams do, Brian.
That's my last takeaway is like you talk about the
Commanders finish, you can talk about the block field goal,
you can talk about coming all the way back to
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then lose to the Vikings in overtime.
Speaker 3 (03:39):
All these kinds of things. They show the sides of
a team that.
Speaker 4 (03:42):
Is that should have a better record, but they just
don't have accountability from their own head coach.
Speaker 3 (03:49):
And it was just unthinkable.
Speaker 4 (03:51):
And if he were fired today, I would not be
surprised because everybody came for his neck after the game.
Speaker 3 (03:58):
Chicago media came after.
Speaker 4 (03:59):
His neck, you know, the national guys came after his neck,
and apparently there were some tough talks in the locker
room afterwards and stuff.
Speaker 3 (04:07):
This is unthinkably bad.
Speaker 4 (04:09):
For an organization that is like, you can't let this
quarterback go, you can't let this dude regress, you can't
let him lose his confidence, and all this other kind
of stuff, and they are doing everything they can to
stop from winning games.
Speaker 2 (04:25):
It's just it's as comical as it gets. It really
is where I get mad. If you probably feel the
same way. It drives me crazy when a head coach
on the sideline will not call time out to avoid
a delay of game penalty. You know what I mean,
Like the clock, the play clock is ticking down, and
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the quarterback's got all this stuff going on. He's trying
to get the play call, he's looking at the defense,
and all of a sudden, it's just ticking down, ticking down.
He might not be aware, and then all of a
sudden there's a delay of game penalty. And I always
look at the head coach and I'm like, what the.
Speaker 3 (05:01):
Hell are you doing? Call time out? Help your quarterback out.
Speaker 2 (05:04):
What the Bears did yesterday on Thanksgiving against the Lions
was a thousand times worse. This is the end of
the game.
Speaker 3 (05:12):
This isn't just.
Speaker 2 (05:13):
A random delay of game penalty which could hurt you
during the flow of the game.
Speaker 3 (05:18):
This is the end of the game.
Speaker 2 (05:20):
You gotta time out in your back pocket. There are
thirty seconds to go, and you let it tick down
to six seconds when you snap it, and then you
throw it deep and that's the last play of the game.
That is they talk about cardinal sins in baseball. I
guess we could just deem that a bear's sin. That's
a bear's sin if you just let the time kick
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off the clock while you have a time My goodness,
that can't have it. I love the Lions radio call
the Lions radio network.
Speaker 3 (05:51):
Check this out.
Speaker 2 (05:52):
They're just clowning the Bears like they're not gonna call
time out?
Speaker 3 (05:55):
Are you serious? This is the way it ends? Check
this out.
Speaker 5 (05:57):
Bears go straight to the line, third and two, six
from the Lion forty one Williams with ten seconds to
go in the game. Williams with seven Williams with six
takes the snap.
Speaker 2 (06:09):
This could be the final play of the game. Throws
it deep downfield. It is our game out incomplete.
Speaker 5 (06:14):
That's it, that's it, that's it.
Speaker 3 (06:18):
What in the world with the Bears? Game it's over.
You talk about the world of brockmas.
Speaker 2 (06:27):
Manager over man and then, like to your point, Jason,
at the end of that calamity, the only thing you
can say as the head coach is I completely watched that.
And what does Matt eberflu say pretty much the exact opposite.
I think we handled it the right way and I
do believe that. Uh, just rereck the play, get it
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in bounce and call time out.
Speaker 3 (06:48):
And that's why we held it and didn't work out
the way we wanted it to.
Speaker 2 (06:51):
I think we handled it the right way. Really, come on, man,
what are we doing?
Speaker 3 (06:58):
Like, here's how Beth and it says right.
Speaker 4 (07:00):
So yesterday Dan Byer and Aaron Torres are in the
afternoon doing the Friends Giving Show, and so I come
on with them right after the game and Tim Patrick
is my lead in because they get him fresh off
the field and they're asking him about it, and he's baffled.
He's like, you know what, we're standing on silens. We
don't know what's happening. The Lions don't even understand what's happening.
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And at one point Tim's like, I mean they did
have a time out, right, Like he wanted to double
check that outs because it didn't make sense. Yeah, I
say us, I was listening in before coming in. But
he's like, they did have a time out, right.
Speaker 3 (07:34):
Yeah? Okay, Well that that that's all you need to
say about that. I don't need to add.
Speaker 4 (07:38):
Like that's literally kind of like the opponents are baffled
by your stupidity. They're like, we'll take the we'll take
the win. We'll go ahead and go to eleven to one,
and you guys can lose one of the most ridiculous
regular season games ever. And unfortunately for the Bears, even
if this one was gonna get swept mildly under the rug,
not on Thanksgiving when it was the only thing.
Speaker 3 (07:58):
To watch, Like everybody got to see.
Speaker 4 (08:01):
This, when Matt every single person got to see it,
and then they got to see you in the post
game say, I think we handled it the right way. No, coach,
if you handled it the right way, you would have
done nothing that happened right there, right And if Caleb
and if again, if Caleb Williams, you know, brain forwarded
in the moment, which is you know it happens.
Speaker 3 (08:18):
We understand this. A lot of things go on. We're
all humans.
Speaker 4 (08:21):
Then you don't just because you called something that you
think was the right thing, when it goes to crap
on the field, you can still call the time out
like you don't have to, Like you didn't have to
turn your vote in and then all of a sudden
you wanted to change it after the fact.
Speaker 3 (08:37):
Nope, noe.
Speaker 4 (08:37):
Once you didn't buy you did not buy that play
call coach on a final Black Friday sale where you're
not able to return it, Like you easily could have
just called the time out. You still had it. It's
not like you had to look at the rep and
be like, you know, we would call the time out here,
but we did it the right way. Like what what
are we doing here at this point?
Speaker 3 (08:58):
Is I do not think he should still be the coach.
Speaker 4 (09:00):
I don't think he should have been a coach to
start this Yay, No, especially how it's gone this way.
I am you cannot let this guy stan if there
were a lot of people saying he shouldn't have been
able to fly home and all this.
Speaker 3 (09:13):
Kind of stuff.
Speaker 4 (09:13):
I mean, if anybody deserves to be fired on a holiday,
and I hate call him somebody's job, it's.
Speaker 3 (09:18):
A coach that does that, and then after the game
says that.
Speaker 2 (09:23):
I know, unbelievable. Yeah, it's if you rewind to the
beginning of the season. Well before the beginning of the season,
he never should have been the head coach anyway. This
is a lame duck season. You know, it's the final
year of his contract. Is that the situation Like Mike
McCarthy with the Cowboys, He's not going to be the
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head coach of the future. I'll put it that way,
and so it's like, why would you start the Caleb
Williams era with a head coach that is hanging on
by a thread and the chances were better than not
that the Bear season with a rookie quarterback? Was it
gonna be good enough to keep Matt Eberflus going forward
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as the Bears head coach? Why would you start Caleb
Williams rookie season with this guy as the head coach?
Speaker 3 (10:13):
It just didn't make sense. It was a bad plan
to begin with.
Speaker 2 (10:16):
Just blow them out, bring in a new head coach,
start fresh together. Now, what's gonna happen After Caleb Williams
has a rocky rookie season, you bring in another head
coach and you gotta start back at square one again?
Speaker 3 (10:29):
Why would you deal?
Speaker 2 (10:30):
It was a bad plan to begin with, and I
think the Bears organization got what they deserved with a
bad plan. And then it ends up the way it
did yesterday on Thanksgiving.
Speaker 3 (10:42):
This this would.
Speaker 2 (10:43):
Have been bad enough if it was, you know, just
a random one pm Eastern start last week. If this
was last week's ending against the Vikings, that would have
been bad enough. It's way worse on Thanksgiving standalone game.
All these football fans are just feeding their faces and
watching ball.
Speaker 3 (11:03):
You don't call.
Speaker 2 (11:04):
Time out like the simplest thing, but I do. I
would add Caleb Williams does not deserve a free pass
for this. No, Ibra Flues deserves more blame because he's
got to bail out his quarterback. But Caleb Williams knows
better than to let the time run off like that.
You gotta be better than that being the final play
in the game when you gotta time out. That just
can't be the way it unfolds for either the quarterback
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or the head coach. But I still would blame Eber
Flutes more.
Speaker 4 (11:31):
If you really look into Caleb's corments. I'm not positive
he knew he had a time out. I'm not either
still know why he talked about it, that's right, and
it didn't seem like Keenan Allen did either. All of
these are indicative of the same thing. Though You're right, yes,
Caleb needs to be more aware in those circumstances. It
would be a learning experience for him. Not a good look,
get it. But that's where your coach is supposed to
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be the leader in the room. That's where your coach
is supposed to be kind of the adult there that's like, hey,
all right, we got to know time, we gotta no distance,
we gotta know everything here in this moment, And it
seemed like nobody on that Bears team was on the
same page at all. And that is indicative of a
head coach that does not have control. And that's the
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same kind of thing like that hail Mary thing is
not gonna.
Speaker 3 (12:17):
Happen to the Kansas City Chiefs.
Speaker 4 (12:19):
Yeah, you're not gonna have something like that happen to
the Lions. You're not gonna have that happen to good
football teams. They're being run. Well, there's a reason why
good things tend to happen to good teams. You talk
about ah Man, the Steelers, they're just lucky. Patriots are
just lucky. Like for so many years in all the Scots,
look at all these things that went their way.
Speaker 3 (12:38):
Notice those things.
Speaker 4 (12:38):
Never go the way of teams that are completely discobopulated.
Like there's a reason why certain things. You put yourself
in circumstances for success instead of failure. And in this case,
it was the exact opposite. It was everything that possibly
could have gone wrong in that moment did. But your
head coach has to be there or maybe I don't know,
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somebody all got stabbed has to look at Matt and
be like, head coach, you get a you serious, Clark,
You're gonna call Tom out here. We just gonna let
this thing go, and you let it go. And I
don't know that they'll let him finish the season. But
to the earlier point, yes, he never should have been
there at the start of this year. There's no reason
you bring in a rookie quarterback and then keep the
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very mediocre, defensive minded head coach who didn't find ways
at all to maximize anything that Justin Fields might have
been able to offer him. And then by this is
the thing. What's the best thing about Caleb Williams right now?
It's not just that he's good, it's that he's cheap
for a little while, and you can build around him
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and do things. So because you had the luxury of
being able to win some games last year, because you
had Carolina's number one pick, you were able to go
get sweat and you were able to go do some
things and kind of get some things in motion, so
that guys felt a little better coming into the season.
Then you go get Caleb Williams and then you for
some reason tied by with his hands behind his back
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by keeping the same head coach instead of finding an
offensive minded guy or somebody that could come in with
him with a fresh start.
Speaker 3 (14:08):
So you have not.
Speaker 4 (14:09):
Only wasted a year of his career, you've wasted a
year of his rookie contract.
Speaker 3 (14:13):
Right. That is mismanagement from the top like that. That
probably if it.
Speaker 4 (14:18):
Doesn't just cost Matt Ebrafleus' job, Brian, it's also gonna cost.
Speaker 3 (14:22):
Ryan Poles his job, and it well should.
Speaker 4 (14:24):
There is absolutely no excuse why you brought that guy back,
because we all could and did tell you that's not
gonna go very well. Why don't you go find somebody
a little bit better? And now you're gonna do that,
but you're gonna have a new coordinator, You're gonna have
a new head coach, and so Caleb's gonna have to
learn all these new things and do all this stuff.
You have blown a year of Caleb Williams's career and
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this rookie contract.
Speaker 2 (14:48):
Yeah, no, it's a good way to look at it.
Have you seen the movie Rounders with Matt Damon, oh
Ed Norton.
Speaker 3 (14:54):
Yeah, many times. I want to.
Speaker 2 (14:56):
Make a Rounders comparison with the end of that Bears
game coming up next, right, because there's something that you
said that made me think immediately of a line from
that movie, and it explains the difference between the Bears
and the Chiefs and the Steelers like teams that are
actually well prepared. We'll get to that right around the corner. Also, Man,
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we got a lot to do here, Jason. We've got
a narrative that hasn't changed at all as we look
back at the Thanksgiving Day games and we look forward. Man,
we got a lot of college ball here today on
a black Friday, we got the Raiders and the Chiefs.
We got a full slate of college ball tomorrow and
then the NFL on Sunday. The ball buffet is just
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underway over here, Jason. You know, we're just getting our
first little I just threw like ham on my plate,
maybe a little bit of turkey.
Speaker 3 (15:45):
That's it.
Speaker 2 (15:46):
Like with the Thanksgiving Day games, we still got a
lot more to throw on the plate. So we'll get
to the Rounders comparison coming up next on Two Pros
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Speaker 4 (16:18):
Just an update, Matt Eberflus has not been terminated yet
as the head coach of the Chicago Bears. That's something
we will update in every segment going forward until it changes,
because I keep refreshing all the major websites to see
if it's happened yet, because I'm still kind of stunned.
We are and our number two here, Two Pros and
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I'm not positive that it won't change before the end
of the show. I know we're about to talk some
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college football and more things going into the weekend, but
we just got to reset it again. Like Thanksgivings had
two of the worst endings and two of the most
memorable endings you'll ever see. I don't know that this
one was quite as bad as Leon let with Don
Beebe in that famous Bears or Bill's Cowboys game from
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so many years ago, where he held the ball down
and got knocked out before he got across. They end
up losing the game, but a head coach being this
bafflingly just unprepared, and something else we didn't talk about.
Did you notice the play where Caleb Williams got sacked.
Did you realize that they didn't seem to understand that
the Lions were gonna blitz them be right, and so
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they had five guys trying to block seven. Caleb Williams
is getting murdered out there all season long, just getting
absolutely hammered. You could say he's holding the ball too
long here and there and all this. Okay, that's fine,
but that olon is not very good. And they didn't
seem to understand that Dan Campbell was going to send
the house, that Aaron Glenn was going to send the house,
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and so that put the quarterback in a bad spot
before then the coach then didn't help him out.
Speaker 2 (18:23):
Yeah, there are so many layers to that. Where they
were in field goal range workest you're kicking a game
tying field goal and going to overtime, that should have
been at worst for the Bears, and yet they take
a sack and then they just let the time run
off the clock and they had basically one desperation deep
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ball to try to bail them out and didn't work out. So, yeah,
it's bad. It's a bad job. Thomas Brown took over
as the play caller. You know, it's a bad job
of protecting Caleb Williams. It's bad job by Kayleb Williams
taking a sack. It's a bad job by Caleb Williams
letting the clock tick all the way down. It's a
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bad job by Matt Eberflues that calling time out and
helping out his quarterback. And new play caller. It's just
a bad job all the way around.
Speaker 3 (19:15):
And I like it.
Speaker 2 (19:15):
You're on eber Flus watch because we know the pink
slip is coming and it's just a matter of when
not if.
Speaker 4 (19:23):
If it's not, then everyone associated with the franchise needs
to receive the same pink slip from somebody.
Speaker 3 (19:29):
Like at some point somebody has to be the adult.
Speaker 4 (19:32):
In the room there. And I'm not sure, well, actually
i am. I am certain it is not the head coach. Okay,
so we can't.
Speaker 2 (19:40):
You know what, real fast though, Jason, real fast, Like,
think about that, this was a four and two team,
the Bears of loss six straight. It just shows you
how long the NFL season is. But this was a
four and two team where you're thinking, hey, man, could
they mess around and be a wild card team? Then
six weeks later you're like, oh, yeah, no, Matt Eberflues
going to be out of a job very shortly. I'm
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surprised he isn't already. But it can change very very
quickly in the NFL, for sure.
Speaker 4 (20:06):
Well mean you talk about mess around with they did
mess around. They found out you can't mess around right
and end up getting to the wild card. Like that's
the thing that's amazing is that you could look at
this and say, oh, but they've been so close and
look at them fighting and all that sor stuff. Right,
the thing that's stopping them is the idiocy on the sidelines, Yeah,
and the lack of accountability. Then that then translates on
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the field to guys not being focused, guys not being prepared,
and guys not being in being put in position to succeed.
So all of that adds up to the record that
they have. Any competent coach right now would probably have
them at seven and.
Speaker 2 (20:41):
Five, right, Yeah, you would think, yeah, this is a
team that they've got talent, they've got real pieces to
work with, and the ways that they've lost, they should
absolutely have a winning record right now, and they're not
even close. They're a four and eight football team.
Speaker 3 (20:57):
Think about that.
Speaker 2 (20:58):
They are four and two at one point four and
eight now, and the way they've lost some of those games, that's,
at worst, they should have split those six games, you know,
like I'd say, at worst two and four where you're
five hundred right now, that's at worst because two of
those losses, you know, the Hail Mary was despicable. And
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then who knows what happens from that. If you win
that game against Washington, maybe you don't get dusted the
next week by the Arizona Cardinals. Right, there's a snowball effect.
So yeah, it's just a calamity for the Bears.
Speaker 3 (21:30):
Yeah. And I mean you even have some of these like.
Speaker 4 (21:32):
Very classy people in football coming out after matth Evel. Yeah,
Ryan is one of the classiest dudes in the NFL
this century.
Speaker 3 (21:43):
And he said that's a massive fail. Yeah.
Speaker 4 (21:46):
On television describing Matt Ebraflus, Jimmy Johnson said, he's been
in football for over three decades, Brian, and he's never
seen a coaching staff basically stop his football team from
potentially winning a game.
Speaker 3 (22:00):
That's not his Uh.
Speaker 2 (22:02):
Little assessment is, oh, we handled it the right way.
Speaker 4 (22:07):
Now, you know, you know how the Bear should handle
it the right way.
Speaker 3 (22:10):
They should for his own sake, send.
Speaker 4 (22:12):
Him away, Yes you have today. Yeah, Like, I don't
know that he can coach again, but we'll see.
Speaker 3 (22:18):
We've seen stranger things and I don't know where you go.
Speaker 4 (22:20):
But I also don't think that firing Robert Sola was
going to fix the Jets, right, Like these in season
moves are basically indicators that this season is over. But
we still want to tell the fans that we understand
and we hear them, and so that might be the
same circumstance that we're going to get here.
Speaker 2 (22:36):
Could be, could be. I like that you're on ebra
Flus watch. You know it's going to keep it updated
every couple of minutes. I'm just refreshing.
Speaker 4 (22:42):
Let me see if that breaking news pops up here
on Black Friday and it turns out to be that
Black Monday thing.
Speaker 3 (22:49):
But they don't wait until the end of the season
to get it done.
Speaker 4 (22:53):
Big weekend in college football, your Notre Dame squad, but
to go lose to USC, WHOA? WHOA?
Speaker 3 (23:00):
Would you shot here?
Speaker 4 (23:03):
No, I've watched USC this year.
Speaker 3 (23:06):
Yeah, no, I do not think.
Speaker 4 (23:08):
I don't know how good Notre Dame is when you
stack them up against the best teams, because we just
haven't seen. College football is weird this year anyway, just
in terms of you got the twelve teams, so when
you see a loss, you're not sure exactly how much
it means. You got a three loss Alabama team where
there's at least some talk that they can still find their.
Speaker 3 (23:29):
Way into the twelve. All of these things are out there.
Speaker 4 (23:33):
How do you feel entering this weekend when you just
kind of look at the rankings, look at how the
college football playoff scenario has everything set up?
Speaker 3 (23:42):
Right now?
Speaker 4 (23:42):
Are you side eyeing anything in particular right now?
Speaker 2 (23:47):
My whole thing is just who screws up a playoff spot?
You know, like Ole Miss did last week and they
had a great path to being a playoff team and
they just they ain't get.
Speaker 3 (23:59):
It done at Florida.
Speaker 2 (24:01):
So the first things first for me is like who
gets into the playoff and some of these teams that
have an inside track to get there, who wets themselves
and screws that up? And then just big picture wise,
like who ends up winning this thing? And there isn't
a team that in former years like recent years, like Georgia,
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you knew Georgia was the team to beat and it's
going to be really hard to beat them. There isn't
that team this year where you're like, that's the Goliath.
There's a lot more parody in college football than we're
used to, which I think is a great thing. So
if you look at you started with Notre Dame, like
Notre Dame has a real defense, they have a good
running game. I don't like their passing game at all.
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I think that maybe they win a game, maybe two.
I don't think they really challenge to win a championship.
But if there's ever a year for a team to
surprise you, I think it's this year because the top
teams aren't as dominant and haven't separated themselves the way
other years have played out.
Speaker 3 (25:04):
So with that a.
Speaker 2 (25:06):
Lot more parody, I think it makes it more interesting
where you get more teams in the playoff, and I
think you have a lot more possibilities for upsets or
deeper runs from teams that you would say, really that team.
I think the ingredients are there for possibly that to
happen this year.
Speaker 3 (25:21):
Yeah, I mean, I agree with the parody argument.
Speaker 4 (25:23):
I also think that because of your other point about
there not being that one team you look at and
just say that team's going to beat everybody, I think
that you can argue that there are several of these
teams that could get on the right streak, get hot enough,
and find a way, And so I think that makes
it more exciting. And then when even when I'm asked,
you know, who's the best team in the SEC. It's
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just like, well, the oldest team to beat Georgia, or
the Alabama team to beat Georgia, or the Tennessee team
to beat Alabama, but not the version of them that
you've seen in other weeks where Alabama's lost to Vanderbilt
or the game that I have my eye on tomorrow.
For some reason, I think george is going to struggle
against Georgia Tech. Oh interesting, Georgia Tech's been kind of
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a weird team this year in terms of they have
played above their heads a few times, and they certainly
are on the right path going forward. It feels like,
and that's this Georgia team has been ultimate Jeck going high.
There have been times they look flat bad and Carson
Beck hasn't looked like he should be a starting quarterback.
And there's other times where Carson Beck looks like she
should be a top five pick any NFL draft. So
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what version of this team? And I think that's true
across college football. It's like, what version of these teams
are you going to get?
Speaker 3 (26:37):
If you get the best version of Notre Dame, what's
that ceiling?
Speaker 4 (26:42):
If you get the best version of Ohio State. I
think they win at all if you get that all
the way through. If you get the best version of Oregon, yeah,
they're probably gonna win at all. If you get the
best version of Texas could win at all. But I
do think that there is a recipe for just pure chaos.
I think the most unlikely scenario, just based on the
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way this season has gone, is that tomorrow is chalk
and that this twelve team playoff is chalk.
Speaker 3 (27:10):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (27:11):
Yeah, if you just look at just say the top
five teams, maybe a little bit more just to think
about how the playoff could play out, right, you look
at Oregon. Oregon has been good, but they haven't been
dominant at all. There have been a lot of games
where you're like, they're just doing enough to win, which
is fine, but it makes you wonder how high is
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their ceiling really, because there have been a lot of
games where a watch and they win, but they just
sleep walk through the second half. And I'm like, so,
are they just sleepwalking against UCLA or Michigan State because
it's UCLA or Michigan State or is this just kind
of them you know what I mean? Like, do they
have that extra gear where playoff time they just kick
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it into overdrive and you're like, oh, okay, that was
there the whole time, we just didn't know it. I mean,
maybe Ohio State very very talented. We know what they
bring to the table. But then you look at the
rest of the top five. Texas, I hate the way
Texas plays offense, Jason. It's like these jink and dunk
little Let's get it out in space and make these
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guys tackle. These defenses tackle in space. I like that approach.
If you have a dominant running game, you know what
I mean, you kind of sprinkle it in with a
dominant running game. They don't have that. I just I
hate their offense how they approach it. Penn State, they
barely beat USC on the road, right, there was an
overtime game. Do you trust James Franklin in big games?
Speaker 3 (28:37):
Notre Dame? You trust their passing game.
Speaker 2 (28:39):
Look at Miami. Miami just lost to the Georgia Tech
team you were talking about, like they have no defense,
They play no one. It's like, who do you trust? Like,
you look at the top of the rankings and there
are warts with a lot of these teams in more
than enough reason not to trust them.
Speaker 3 (28:56):
Come playoff time.
Speaker 4 (28:57):
Look, I think that's right, and I think that there
is no fan base that should feel comfortable going into
even tomorrow. None, because no one has distinguished themselves beyond reproach.
There's just not that team like Ohio State hadn't beat
Michigan in a while. That Michigan team shouldn't be able
to compete with them. But they do play defense, and
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if they ugly it up, yeah, you just you'd never know.
It's a rivalry game. There's a lot of crazy stuff.
I don't anticipate it, but Ryan Day has found ways
to lose to Michigan the last handful of years, so
keep your eye on it. And then again, I already
mentioned Georgia and Georgia Tech. And then you've got Clemson
that can somehow get in despite having basically nothing impressive
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done this year except getting stomped by Georgia in the
second half of their opener. But they go beat South
Carolina and somehow that's a thing South Carolina could ease in.
And South Carolina really they've had a couple of bad
finishes to games where they've been right on the doorstep
and haven't quite been able to close it. They're really
good and really dangerous, but I don't know that that's
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a thing that should happen. Then you look at Ole
Miss and Alabama, you look at it in Tennessee, and
you look at all of them, and you're just kind
of like, pretty much none of them really have done enough.
But somebody has to get into this thing, and it's
gonna be one of those kind of teams. And we're
already setting the stage for Greg Sankee to be out
beating the drum over the next week to try and
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make sure that we get one of those teams in.
And I'm not sure that any of them deserve it.
I mean, I don't think that a team that loses
to Vanderbilt and then goes to Oklahoma and gets embarrassed
by a bad Oklahoma team needs to be in a
twelve team playoff.
Speaker 3 (30:34):
I just don't.
Speaker 4 (30:34):
I think if that team gets into a twelve team playoff,
maybe we expanded too much. And I'm a big fan
of the twelve team playoff. But I think we talked
about like two weeks ago, we said we all said
there'd be no argument between twelve and thirteen.
Speaker 3 (30:50):
If you didn't get in, nobody's gonna.
Speaker 4 (30:52):
Be sad about it or whatever, and then it's like, yeah,
but now we might have six SEC teams.
Speaker 3 (30:56):
Well, now we might have three folks.
Speaker 4 (30:58):
Now we probably are gonna end up with three, and
nobody is too upset about it. We've come to that
spot where if you don't get in, that's on you
because you had every opportunity. If Old Miss doesn't get in,
that Florida game is going to loom large. If you're Alabama,
what happened to Oklahoma? That's going to loom large. You
had the opportunity in front of you and you could
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not close that deal. The three losses for Ole Miss
in particular, all of them came to unranked teams.
Speaker 3 (31:27):
Florida.
Speaker 4 (31:27):
Congrats to Billy Napier and that team because I honestly
they were left for dead and they've played hard for
him and I'm glad they've extended him and they found.
Speaker 3 (31:36):
A quarterback that's really legit in lagway going forward for them.
But you lose to LSU, that loss looks worse by
the week. You know this.
Speaker 4 (31:46):
You lose to Kentucky somehow. Yeah, like that Old Miss team,
I don't care how good the roster is, and we
know how good they are. It doesn't matter, like, you
can't do that. And that's where we find ourselves in
college football is I can poke holes in everybody's resume
that has an argument to get in, and as such,
I'm not gonna hand ring too much by whoever gets
left out.
Speaker 2 (32:06):
Yeah, I'm really curious to see what the committee does
with the conference championship games because take the SEC for instance,
there might be a team that loses the conference championship
game and they didn't have a sparkling resume to begin with,
and then it's like.
Speaker 3 (32:22):
Now, what do you do.
Speaker 2 (32:24):
Do you put in the team that wasn't in the
conference championship game when they didn't even earn the right
to be there? Or do you put the team in
that just lost the conference championship game and didn't have
a great body of work to begin with.
Speaker 3 (32:38):
How do you handle that?
Speaker 2 (32:40):
I think that part of it's gonna be really interesting
to see what they do.
Speaker 3 (32:44):
No, I agree, I think that's exactly right.
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Speaker 2 (00:11):
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Speaker 3 (00:15):
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I'll tell you who didn't have a happy Thanksgiving. That
would be the Chicago Bears. My lord, can you believe
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like you can lose games? Fine, but the way the
Bears loss to the Lions without calling time out as
the final thirty seconds just ticked off the clock and
they end up losing that way. I just can't think
of a more embarrassing way. Oh wait, wait, it's the
same team a little bit earlier against the Washington Commanders
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giving up a hail mary while one of the defensive backs,
Tyreek Stevenson, was talking trash to the crowd as the
hail mary was playing out.
Speaker 3 (01:12):
What a disaster for the Bears. This season. Man.
Speaker 4 (01:16):
First off, happy Thanksgiving, and yes, I don't know what
to say about how that game ended other than the
coach and then the coach afterwards trying to explain it.
And I know we're going to get into the comments.
He didn't totally throw his quarterback under the bus or
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his team under the bus, but he kind of did.
And the problem was, he said, well, here's what we
wanted to do. We wanted to get it to eighteen
and then we wanted to call that last time out,
kick that field, go get a few more yards. I
like what we did there, he said. He's like, I
like what we did there. But then you know, we're
just gonna have to execute better and all this kind
of stuff, like, coach, listen, you had thirty seconds, you
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got one snap off, You had a chance very easily
to kick a field goal at the very least, or
at least give your team a better chance into the
end zone after the sack. Neither of those things happened.
You had said, you know, you wanted the quarterback to
go ahead and get the ball snapped. You wanted him
to snap it around eighteen seconds, and then when he didn't,
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you just stood there like you didn't call the time
out immediately.
Speaker 3 (02:25):
To help your quarterback, who maybe was a little overwhelmed
in the circumstance.
Speaker 4 (02:29):
He had had three touchdowns and played an unbelievable second
half against maybe the best team in football on their
field on Thanksgiving, twelve games into his NFL career. He
had done everything under the sun for you. Maybe he
had gotten lost in that moment. It was super loud,
didn't know the circumstance, didn't know that he had a
time out to burn all these things that happened. By
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the way, you called a timeout when the clock was stopped,
So we'll also point that out.
Speaker 3 (02:55):
But all this stuff is going on and you're telling
me that we just had to execute it.
Speaker 4 (03:00):
So you just stood there and let the time keep
ticking instead of helping your quarterback, instead of just calling
the time out. We can say, yeah, Caleb Williams, you know,
could have been more aware in that circumstance for sure,
But when you recognize he's not, you're supposed to help him.
Speaker 3 (03:15):
That's what you are. You're the head football coach.
Speaker 4 (03:17):
You're supposed to, you know, be that last line of
defense that if they can't do it, maybe you can
short of going on the field and actually playing, and
yet you didn't. And this is what bad teams do, Brian.
That's my last takeaway is like you talk about the
Commanders finish, you can talk about the block field goal,
you can talk about coming all the way back to
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then lose to the Vikings in overtime.
Speaker 3 (03:39):
All these kinds of things. They show the sides of
a team that.
Speaker 4 (03:42):
Is that should have a better record, but they just
don't have accountability from their own head coach.
Speaker 3 (03:49):
And it was just unthinkable.
Speaker 4 (03:51):
And if he were fired today, I would not be
surprised because everybody came for his neck after the game.
Speaker 3 (03:58):
Chicago media came after.
Speaker 4 (03:59):
His neck, you know, the national guys came after his neck,
and apparently there were some tough talks in the locker
room afterwards and stuff.
Speaker 3 (04:07):
This is unthinkably bad.
Speaker 4 (04:09):
For an organization that is like, you can't let this
quarterback go, you can't let this dude regress, you can't
let him lose his confidence, and all this other kind
of stuff, and they are doing everything they can to
stop from winning games.
Speaker 2 (04:25):
It's just it's as comical as it gets. It really
is where I get mad. If you probably feel the
same way. It drives me crazy when a head coach
on the sideline will not call time out to avoid
a delay of game penalty. You know what I mean,
Like the clock, the play clock is ticking down, and
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the quarterback's got all this stuff going on. He's trying
to get the play call, he's looking at the defense,
and all of a sudden, it's just ticking down, ticking down.
He might not be aware, and then all of a
sudden there's a delay of game penalty. And I always
look at the head coach and I'm like, what the.
Speaker 3 (05:01):
Hell are you doing? Call time out? Help your quarterback out.
Speaker 2 (05:04):
What the Bears did yesterday on Thanksgiving against the Lions
was a thousand times worse. This is the end of
the game.
Speaker 3 (05:12):
This isn't just.
Speaker 2 (05:13):
A random delay of game penalty which could hurt you
during the flow of the game.
Speaker 3 (05:18):
This is the end of the game.
Speaker 2 (05:20):
You gotta time out in your back pocket. There are
thirty seconds to go, and you let it tick down
to six seconds when you snap it, and then you
throw it deep and that's the last play of the game.
That is they talk about cardinal sins in baseball. I
guess we could just deem that a bear's sin. That's
a bear's sin if you just let the time kick
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off the clock while you have a time My goodness,
that can't have it. I love the Lions radio call
the Lions radio network.
Speaker 3 (05:51):
Check this out.
Speaker 2 (05:52):
They're just clowning the Bears like they're not gonna call
time out?
Speaker 3 (05:55):
Are you serious? This is the way it ends? Check
this out.
Speaker 5 (05:57):
Bears go straight to the line, third and two, six
from the Lion forty one Williams with ten seconds to
go in the game. Williams with seven Williams with six
takes the snap.
Speaker 2 (06:09):
This could be the final play of the game. Throws
it deep downfield. It is our game out incomplete.
Speaker 5 (06:14):
That's it, that's it, that's it.
Speaker 3 (06:18):
What in the world with the Bears? Game it's over.
You talk about the world of brockmas.
Speaker 2 (06:27):
Manager over man and then, like to your point, Jason,
at the end of that calamity, the only thing you
can say as the head coach is I completely watched that.
And what does Matt eberflu say pretty much the exact opposite.
I think we handled it the right way and I
do believe that. Uh, just rereck the play, get it
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in bounce and call time out.
Speaker 3 (06:48):
And that's why we held it and didn't work out
the way we wanted it to.
Speaker 2 (06:51):
I think we handled it the right way. Really, come on, man,
what are we doing?
Speaker 3 (06:58):
Like, here's how Beth and it says right.
Speaker 4 (07:00):
So yesterday Dan Byer and Aaron Torres are in the
afternoon doing the Friends Giving Show, and so I come
on with them right after the game and Tim Patrick
is my lead in because they get him fresh off
the field and they're asking him about it, and he's baffled.
He's like, you know what, we're standing on silens. We
don't know what's happening. The Lions don't even understand what's happening.
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And at one point Tim's like, I mean they did
have a time out, right, Like he wanted to double
check that outs because it didn't make sense. Yeah, I
say us, I was listening in before coming in. But
he's like, they did have a time out, right.
Speaker 3 (07:34):
Yeah? Okay, Well that that that's all you need to
say about that. I don't need to add.
Speaker 4 (07:38):
Like that's literally kind of like the opponents are baffled
by your stupidity. They're like, we'll take the we'll take
the win. We'll go ahead and go to eleven to one,
and you guys can lose one of the most ridiculous
regular season games ever. And unfortunately for the Bears, even
if this one was gonna get swept mildly under the rug,
not on Thanksgiving when it was the only thing.
Speaker 3 (07:58):
To watch, Like everybody got to see.
Speaker 4 (08:01):
This, when Matt every single person got to see it,
and then they got to see you in the post
game say, I think we handled it the right way. No, coach,
if you handled it the right way, you would have
done nothing that happened right there, right And if Caleb
and if again, if Caleb Williams, you know, brain forwarded
in the moment, which is you know it happens.
Speaker 3 (08:18):
We understand this. A lot of things go on. We're
all humans.
Speaker 4 (08:21):
Then you don't just because you called something that you
think was the right thing, when it goes to crap
on the field, you can still call the time out
like you don't have to, Like you didn't have to
turn your vote in and then all of a sudden
you wanted to change it after the fact.
Speaker 3 (08:37):
Nope, noe.
Speaker 4 (08:37):
Once you didn't buy you did not buy that play
call coach on a final Black Friday sale where you're
not able to return it, Like you easily could have
just called the time out. You still had it. It's
not like you had to look at the rep and
be like, you know, we would call the time out here,
but we did it the right way. Like what what
are we doing here at this point?
Speaker 3 (08:58):
Is I do not think he should still be the coach.
Speaker 4 (09:00):
I don't think he should have been a coach to
start this Yay, No, especially how it's gone this way.
I am you cannot let this guy stan if there
were a lot of people saying he shouldn't have been
able to fly home and all this.
Speaker 3 (09:13):
Kind of stuff.
Speaker 4 (09:13):
I mean, if anybody deserves to be fired on a holiday,
and I hate call him somebody's job, it's.
Speaker 3 (09:18):
A coach that does that, and then after the game
says that.
Speaker 2 (09:23):
I know, unbelievable. Yeah, it's if you rewind to the
beginning of the season. Well before the beginning of the season,
he never should have been the head coach anyway. This
is a lame duck season. You know, it's the final
year of his contract. Is that the situation Like Mike
McCarthy with the Cowboys, He's not going to be the
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head coach of the future. I'll put it that way,
and so it's like, why would you start the Caleb
Williams era with a head coach that is hanging on
by a thread and the chances were better than not
that the Bear season with a rookie quarterback? Was it
gonna be good enough to keep Matt Eberflus going forward
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as the Bears head coach? Why would you start Caleb
Williams rookie season with this guy as the head coach?
Speaker 3 (10:13):
It just didn't make sense. It was a bad plan
to begin with.
Speaker 2 (10:16):
Just blow them out, bring in a new head coach,
start fresh together. Now, what's gonna happen After Caleb Williams
has a rocky rookie season, you bring in another head
coach and you gotta start back at square one again?
Speaker 3 (10:29):
Why would you deal?
Speaker 2 (10:30):
It was a bad plan to begin with, and I
think the Bears organization got what they deserved with a
bad plan. And then it ends up the way it
did yesterday on Thanksgiving.
Speaker 3 (10:42):
This this would.
Speaker 2 (10:43):
Have been bad enough if it was, you know, just
a random one pm Eastern start last week. If this
was last week's ending against the Vikings, that would have
been bad enough. It's way worse on Thanksgiving standalone game.
All these football fans are just feeding their faces and
watching ball.
Speaker 3 (11:03):
You don't call.
Speaker 2 (11:04):
Time out like the simplest thing, but I do. I
would add Caleb Williams does not deserve a free pass
for this. No, Ibra Flues deserves more blame because he's
got to bail out his quarterback. But Caleb Williams knows
better than to let the time run off like that.
You gotta be better than that being the final play
in the game when you gotta time out. That just
can't be the way it unfolds for either the quarterback
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or the head coach. But I still would blame Eber
Flutes more.
Speaker 4 (11:31):
If you really look into Caleb's corments. I'm not positive
he knew he had a time out. I'm not either
still know why he talked about it, that's right, and
it didn't seem like Keenan Allen did either. All of
these are indicative of the same thing. Though You're right, yes,
Caleb needs to be more aware in those circumstances. It
would be a learning experience for him. Not a good look,
get it. But that's where your coach is supposed to
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be the leader in the room. That's where your coach
is supposed to be kind of the adult there that's like, hey,
all right, we got to know time, we gotta no distance,
we gotta know everything here in this moment, And it
seemed like nobody on that Bears team was on the
same page at all. And that is indicative of a
head coach that does not have control. And that's the
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same kind of thing like that hail Mary thing is
not gonna.
Speaker 3 (12:17):
Happen to the Kansas City Chiefs.
Speaker 4 (12:19):
Yeah, you're not gonna have something like that happen to
the Lions. You're not gonna have that happen to good
football teams. They're being run. Well, there's a reason why
good things tend to happen to good teams. You talk
about ah Man, the Steelers, they're just lucky. Patriots are
just lucky. Like for so many years in all the Scots,
look at all these things that went their way.
Speaker 3 (12:38):
Notice those things.
Speaker 4 (12:38):
Never go the way of teams that are completely discobopulated.
Like there's a reason why certain things. You put yourself
in circumstances for success instead of failure. And in this case,
it was the exact opposite. It was everything that possibly
could have gone wrong in that moment did. But your
head coach has to be there or maybe I don't know,
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somebody all got stabbed has to look at Matt and
be like, head coach, you get a you serious, Clark,
You're gonna call Tom out here. We just gonna let
this thing go, and you let it go. And I
don't know that they'll let him finish the season. But
to the earlier point, yes, he never should have been
there at the start of this year. There's no reason
you bring in a rookie quarterback and then keep the
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very mediocre, defensive minded head coach who didn't find ways
at all to maximize anything that Justin Fields might have
been able to offer him. And then by this is
the thing. What's the best thing about Caleb Williams right now?
It's not just that he's good, it's that he's cheap
for a little while, and you can build around him
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and do things. So because you had the luxury of
being able to win some games last year, because you
had Carolina's number one pick, you were able to go
get sweat and you were able to go do some
things and kind of get some things in motion, so
that guys felt a little better coming into the season.
Then you go get Caleb Williams and then you for
some reason tied by with his hands behind his back
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by keeping the same head coach instead of finding an
offensive minded guy or somebody that could come in with
him with a fresh start.
Speaker 3 (14:08):
So you have not.
Speaker 4 (14:09):
Only wasted a year of his career, you've wasted a
year of his rookie contract.
Speaker 3 (14:13):
Right. That is mismanagement from the top like that. That
probably if it.
Speaker 4 (14:18):
Doesn't just cost Matt Ebrafleus' job, Brian, it's also gonna cost.
Speaker 3 (14:22):
Ryan Poles his job, and it well should.
Speaker 4 (14:24):
There is absolutely no excuse why you brought that guy back,
because we all could and did tell you that's not
gonna go very well. Why don't you go find somebody
a little bit better? And now you're gonna do that,
but you're gonna have a new coordinator, You're gonna have
a new head coach, and so Caleb's gonna have to
learn all these new things and do all this stuff.
You have blown a year of Caleb Williams's career and
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this rookie contract.
Speaker 2 (14:48):
Yeah, no, it's a good way to look at it.
Have you seen the movie Rounders with Matt Damon, oh
Ed Norton.
Speaker 3 (14:54):
Yeah, many times. I want to.
Speaker 2 (14:56):
Make a Rounders comparison with the end of that Bears
game coming up next, right, because there's something that you
said that made me think immediately of a line from
that movie, and it explains the difference between the Bears
and the Chiefs and the Steelers like teams that are
actually well prepared. We'll get to that right around the corner. Also, Man,
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we got a lot to do here, Jason. We've got
a narrative that hasn't changed at all as we look
back at the Thanksgiving Day games and we look forward. Man,
we got a lot of college ball here today on
a black Friday, we got the Raiders and the Chiefs.
We got a full slate of college ball tomorrow and
then the NFL on Sunday. The ball buffet is just
(15:38):
underway over here, Jason. You know, we're just getting our
first little I just threw like ham on my plate,
maybe a little bit of turkey.
Speaker 3 (15:45):
That's it.
Speaker 2 (15:46):
Like with the Thanksgiving Day games, we still got a
lot more to throw on the plate. So we'll get
to the Rounders comparison coming up next on Two Pros
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Speaker 6 (16:03):
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Speaker 4 (16:18):
Just an update, Matt Eberflus has not been terminated yet
as the head coach of the Chicago Bears. That's something
we will update in every segment going forward until it changes,
because I keep refreshing all the major websites to see
if it's happened yet, because I'm still kind of stunned.
We are and our number two here, Two Pros and
a Cup of Joe. The Pros and the Joe are
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and hopefully you're recovering from a Thanksgiving coma courtesy of
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I'm not positive that it won't change before the end
of the show. I know we're about to talk some
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college football and more things going into the weekend, but
we just got to reset it again. Like Thanksgivings had
two of the worst endings and two of the most
memorable endings you'll ever see. I don't know that this
one was quite as bad as Leon let with Don
Beebe in that famous Bears or Bill's Cowboys game from
(17:33):
so many years ago, where he held the ball down
and got knocked out before he got across. They end
up losing the game, but a head coach being this
bafflingly just unprepared, and something else we didn't talk about.
Did you notice the play where Caleb Williams got sacked.
Did you realize that they didn't seem to understand that
the Lions were gonna blitz them be right, and so
(17:56):
they had five guys trying to block seven. Caleb Williams
is getting murdered out there all season long, just getting
absolutely hammered. You could say he's holding the ball too
long here and there and all this. Okay, that's fine,
but that olon is not very good. And they didn't
seem to understand that Dan Campbell was going to send
the house, that Aaron Glenn was going to send the house,
(18:17):
and so that put the quarterback in a bad spot
before then the coach then didn't help him out.
Speaker 2 (18:23):
Yeah, there are so many layers to that. Where they
were in field goal range workest you're kicking a game
tying field goal and going to overtime, that should have
been at worst for the Bears, and yet they take
a sack and then they just let the time run
off the clock and they had basically one desperation deep
(18:45):
ball to try to bail them out and didn't work out. So, yeah,
it's bad. It's a bad job. Thomas Brown took over
as the play caller. You know, it's a bad job
of protecting Caleb Williams. It's bad job by Kayleb Williams
taking a sack. It's a bad job by Caleb Williams
letting the clock tick all the way down. It's a
(19:05):
bad job by Matt Eberflues that calling time out and
helping out his quarterback. And new play caller. It's just
a bad job all the way around.
Speaker 3 (19:15):
And I like it.
Speaker 2 (19:15):
You're on eber Flus watch because we know the pink
slip is coming and it's just a matter of when
not if.
Speaker 4 (19:23):
If it's not, then everyone associated with the franchise needs
to receive the same pink slip from somebody.
Speaker 3 (19:29):
Like at some point somebody has to be the adult.
Speaker 4 (19:32):
In the room there. And I'm not sure, well, actually
i am. I am certain it is not the head coach. Okay,
so we can't.
Speaker 2 (19:40):
You know what, real fast though, Jason, real fast, Like,
think about that, this was a four and two team,
the Bears of loss six straight. It just shows you
how long the NFL season is. But this was a
four and two team where you're thinking, hey, man, could
they mess around and be a wild card team? Then
six weeks later you're like, oh, yeah, no, Matt Eberflues
going to be out of a job very shortly. I'm
(20:01):
surprised he isn't already. But it can change very very
quickly in the NFL, for sure.
Speaker 4 (20:06):
Well mean you talk about mess around with they did
mess around. They found out you can't mess around right
and end up getting to the wild card. Like that's
the thing that's amazing is that you could look at
this and say, oh, but they've been so close and
look at them fighting and all that sor stuff. Right,
the thing that's stopping them is the idiocy on the sidelines, Yeah,
and the lack of accountability. Then that then translates on
(20:26):
the field to guys not being focused, guys not being prepared,
and guys not being in being put in position to succeed.
So all of that adds up to the record that
they have. Any competent coach right now would probably have
them at seven and.
Speaker 2 (20:41):
Five, right, Yeah, you would think, yeah, this is a
team that they've got talent, they've got real pieces to
work with, and the ways that they've lost, they should
absolutely have a winning record right now, and they're not
even close. They're a four and eight football team.
Speaker 3 (20:57):
Think about that.
Speaker 2 (20:58):
They are four and two at one point four and
eight now, and the way they've lost some of those games, that's,
at worst, they should have split those six games, you know,
like I'd say, at worst two and four where you're
five hundred right now, that's at worst because two of
those losses, you know, the Hail Mary was despicable. And
(21:18):
then who knows what happens from that. If you win
that game against Washington, maybe you don't get dusted the
next week by the Arizona Cardinals. Right, there's a snowball effect.
So yeah, it's just a calamity for the Bears.
Speaker 3 (21:30):
Yeah. And I mean you even have some of these like.
Speaker 4 (21:32):
Very classy people in football coming out after matth Evel. Yeah,
Ryan is one of the classiest dudes in the NFL
this century.
Speaker 3 (21:43):
And he said that's a massive fail. Yeah.
Speaker 4 (21:46):
On television describing Matt Ebraflus, Jimmy Johnson said, he's been
in football for over three decades, Brian, and he's never
seen a coaching staff basically stop his football team from
potentially winning a game.
Speaker 3 (22:00):
That's not his Uh.
Speaker 2 (22:02):
Little assessment is, oh, we handled it the right way.
Speaker 4 (22:07):
Now, you know, you know how the Bear should handle
it the right way.
Speaker 3 (22:10):
They should for his own sake, send.
Speaker 4 (22:12):
Him away, Yes you have today. Yeah, Like, I don't
know that he can coach again, but we'll see.
Speaker 3 (22:18):
We've seen stranger things and I don't know where you go.
Speaker 4 (22:20):
But I also don't think that firing Robert Sola was
going to fix the Jets, right, Like these in season
moves are basically indicators that this season is over. But
we still want to tell the fans that we understand
and we hear them, and so that might be the
same circumstance that we're going to get here.
Speaker 2 (22:36):
Could be, could be. I like that you're on ebra
Flus watch. You know it's going to keep it updated
every couple of minutes. I'm just refreshing.
Speaker 4 (22:42):
Let me see if that breaking news pops up here
on Black Friday and it turns out to be that
Black Monday thing.
Speaker 3 (22:49):
But they don't wait until the end of the season
to get it done.
Speaker 4 (22:53):
Big weekend in college football, your Notre Dame squad, but
to go lose to USC, WHOA? WHOA?
Speaker 3 (23:00):
Would you shot here?
Speaker 4 (23:03):
No, I've watched USC this year.
Speaker 3 (23:06):
Yeah, no, I do not think.
Speaker 4 (23:08):
I don't know how good Notre Dame is when you
stack them up against the best teams, because we just
haven't seen. College football is weird this year anyway, just
in terms of you got the twelve teams, so when
you see a loss, you're not sure exactly how much
it means. You got a three loss Alabama team where
there's at least some talk that they can still find their.
Speaker 3 (23:29):
Way into the twelve. All of these things are out there.
Speaker 4 (23:33):
How do you feel entering this weekend when you just
kind of look at the rankings, look at how the
college football playoff scenario has everything set up?
Speaker 3 (23:42):
Right now?
Speaker 4 (23:42):
Are you side eyeing anything in particular right now?
Speaker 2 (23:47):
My whole thing is just who screws up a playoff spot?
You know, like Ole Miss did last week and they
had a great path to being a playoff team and
they just they ain't get.
Speaker 3 (23:59):
It done at Florida.
Speaker 2 (24:01):
So the first things first for me is like who
gets into the playoff and some of these teams that
have an inside track to get there, who wets themselves
and screws that up? And then just big picture wise,
like who ends up winning this thing? And there isn't
a team that in former years like recent years, like Georgia,
(24:23):
you knew Georgia was the team to beat and it's
going to be really hard to beat them. There isn't
that team this year where you're like, that's the Goliath.
There's a lot more parody in college football than we're
used to, which I think is a great thing. So
if you look at you started with Notre Dame, like
Notre Dame has a real defense, they have a good
running game. I don't like their passing game at all.
(24:45):
I think that maybe they win a game, maybe two.
I don't think they really challenge to win a championship.
But if there's ever a year for a team to
surprise you, I think it's this year because the top
teams aren't as dominant and haven't separated themselves the way
other years have played out.
Speaker 3 (25:04):
So with that a.
Speaker 2 (25:06):
Lot more parody, I think it makes it more interesting
where you get more teams in the playoff, and I
think you have a lot more possibilities for upsets or
deeper runs from teams that you would say, really that team.
I think the ingredients are there for possibly that to
happen this year.
Speaker 3 (25:21):
Yeah, I mean, I agree with the parody argument.
Speaker 4 (25:23):
I also think that because of your other point about
there not being that one team you look at and
just say that team's going to beat everybody, I think
that you can argue that there are several of these
teams that could get on the right streak, get hot enough,
and find a way, And so I think that makes
it more exciting. And then when even when I'm asked,
you know, who's the best team in the SEC. It's
(25:45):
just like, well, the oldest team to beat Georgia, or
the Alabama team to beat Georgia, or the Tennessee team
to beat Alabama, but not the version of them that
you've seen in other weeks where Alabama's lost to Vanderbilt
or the game that I have my eye on tomorrow.
For some reason, I think george is going to struggle
against Georgia Tech. Oh interesting, Georgia Tech's been kind of
(26:07):
a weird team this year in terms of they have
played above their heads a few times, and they certainly
are on the right path going forward. It feels like,
and that's this Georgia team has been ultimate Jeck going high.
There have been times they look flat bad and Carson
Beck hasn't looked like he should be a starting quarterback.
And there's other times where Carson Beck looks like she
should be a top five pick any NFL draft. So
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what version of this team? And I think that's true
across college football. It's like, what version of these teams
are you going to get?
Speaker 3 (26:37):
If you get the best version of Notre Dame, what's
that ceiling?
Speaker 4 (26:42):
If you get the best version of Ohio State. I
think they win at all if you get that all
the way through. If you get the best version of Oregon, yeah,
they're probably gonna win at all. If you get the
best version of Texas could win at all. But I
do think that there is a recipe for just pure chaos.
I think the most unlikely scenario, just based on the
(27:03):
way this season has gone, is that tomorrow is chalk
and that this twelve team playoff is chalk.
Speaker 3 (27:10):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (27:11):
Yeah, if you just look at just say the top
five teams, maybe a little bit more just to think
about how the playoff could play out, right, you look
at Oregon. Oregon has been good, but they haven't been
dominant at all. There have been a lot of games
where you're like, they're just doing enough to win, which
is fine, but it makes you wonder how high is
(27:33):
their ceiling really, because there have been a lot of
games where a watch and they win, but they just
sleep walk through the second half. And I'm like, so,
are they just sleepwalking against UCLA or Michigan State because
it's UCLA or Michigan State or is this just kind
of them you know what I mean? Like, do they
have that extra gear where playoff time they just kick
(27:55):
it into overdrive and you're like, oh, okay, that was
there the whole time, we just didn't know it. I mean,
maybe Ohio State very very talented. We know what they
bring to the table. But then you look at the
rest of the top five. Texas, I hate the way
Texas plays offense, Jason. It's like these jink and dunk
little Let's get it out in space and make these
(28:15):
guys tackle. These defenses tackle in space. I like that approach.
If you have a dominant running game, you know what
I mean, you kind of sprinkle it in with a
dominant running game. They don't have that. I just I
hate their offense how they approach it. Penn State, they
barely beat USC on the road, right, there was an
overtime game. Do you trust James Franklin in big games?
Speaker 3 (28:37):
Notre Dame? You trust their passing game.
Speaker 2 (28:39):
Look at Miami. Miami just lost to the Georgia Tech
team you were talking about, like they have no defense,
They play no one. It's like, who do you trust? Like,
you look at the top of the rankings and there
are warts with a lot of these teams in more
than enough reason not to trust them.
Speaker 3 (28:56):
Come playoff time.
Speaker 4 (28:57):
Look, I think that's right, and I think that there
is no fan base that should feel comfortable going into
even tomorrow. None, because no one has distinguished themselves beyond reproach.
There's just not that team like Ohio State hadn't beat
Michigan in a while. That Michigan team shouldn't be able
to compete with them. But they do play defense, and
(29:18):
if they ugly it up, yeah, you just you'd never know.
It's a rivalry game. There's a lot of crazy stuff.
I don't anticipate it, but Ryan Day has found ways
to lose to Michigan the last handful of years, so
keep your eye on it. And then again, I already
mentioned Georgia and Georgia Tech. And then you've got Clemson
that can somehow get in despite having basically nothing impressive
(29:38):
done this year except getting stomped by Georgia in the
second half of their opener. But they go beat South
Carolina and somehow that's a thing South Carolina could ease in.
And South Carolina really they've had a couple of bad
finishes to games where they've been right on the doorstep
and haven't quite been able to close it. They're really
good and really dangerous, but I don't know that that's
(29:59):
a thing that should happen. Then you look at Ole
Miss and Alabama, you look at it in Tennessee, and
you look at all of them, and you're just kind
of like, pretty much none of them really have done enough.
But somebody has to get into this thing, and it's
gonna be one of those kind of teams. And we're
already setting the stage for Greg Sankee to be out
beating the drum over the next week to try and
(30:22):
make sure that we get one of those teams in.
And I'm not sure that any of them deserve it.
I mean, I don't think that a team that loses
to Vanderbilt and then goes to Oklahoma and gets embarrassed
by a bad Oklahoma team needs to be in a
twelve team playoff.
Speaker 3 (30:34):
I just don't.
Speaker 4 (30:34):
I think if that team gets into a twelve team playoff,
maybe we expanded too much. And I'm a big fan
of the twelve team playoff. But I think we talked
about like two weeks ago, we said we all said
there'd be no argument between twelve and thirteen.
Speaker 3 (30:50):
If you didn't get in, nobody's gonna.
Speaker 4 (30:52):
Be sad about it or whatever, and then it's like, yeah,
but now we might have six SEC teams.
Speaker 3 (30:56):
Well, now we might have three folks.
Speaker 4 (30:58):
Now we probably are gonna end up with three, and
nobody is too upset about it. We've come to that
spot where if you don't get in, that's on you
because you had every opportunity. If Old Miss doesn't get in,
that Florida game is going to loom large. If you're Alabama,
what happened to Oklahoma? That's going to loom large. You
had the opportunity in front of you and you could
(31:21):
not close that deal. The three losses for Ole Miss
in particular, all of them came to unranked teams.
Speaker 3 (31:27):
Florida.
Speaker 4 (31:27):
Congrats to Billy Napier and that team because I honestly
they were left for dead and they've played hard for
him and I'm glad they've extended him and they found.
Speaker 3 (31:36):
A quarterback that's really legit in lagway going forward for them.
But you lose to LSU, that loss looks worse by
the week. You know this.
Speaker 4 (31:46):
You lose to Kentucky somehow. Yeah, like that Old Miss team,
I don't care how good the roster is, and we
know how good they are. It doesn't matter, like, you
can't do that. And that's where we find ourselves in
college football is I can poke holes in everybody's resume
that has an argument to get in, and as such,
I'm not gonna hand ring too much by whoever gets
left out.
Speaker 2 (32:06):
Yeah, I'm really curious to see what the committee does
with the conference championship games because take the SEC for instance,
there might be a team that loses the conference championship
game and they didn't have a sparkling resume to begin with,
and then it's like.
Speaker 3 (32:22):
Now, what do you do.
Speaker 2 (32:24):
Do you put in the team that wasn't in the
conference championship game when they didn't even earn the right
to be there? Or do you put the team in
that just lost the conference championship game and didn't have
a great body of work to begin with.
Speaker 3 (32:38):
How do you handle that?
Speaker 2 (32:40):
I think that part of it's gonna be really interesting
to see what they do.
Speaker 3 (32:44):
No, I agree, I think that's exactly right.
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