December 12, 2024 • 48 mins
Today on 2 Pros and a Cup of Joe, LaVar and Brady share stories from the College Hall of Fame dinner in Vegas including blown out shoes and burying hatchets. Bill Belichick finalizes the deal to become the head coach at UNC. Ohio proposes the ‘softest’ policy vs ‘planting the flag.’
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Speaker 1 (00:02):
It's the best of two pros and a couple. Joe
with Lamar Rings and rating Win and Jonas Knox on
four Radio.
Speaker 2 (00:13):
Good to have you back, boys.
Speaker 3 (00:15):
I got a bone to pick with Q. Oh, here
we go. This is gonna be great. This is gonna
be great because I would be careful about what bone
you're picking. I'm gonna pick your bone and this go ahead,
go ahead.
Speaker 4 (00:27):
So you're like my little brother. Yeah, I make sure
everybody knows how much I love Q. And that's my guy.
And everybody's up to me. Well, for everybody runs up
on me like, oh, you know, two pros a cup
of Joe like you and you know you guys, da
da da this not the other. Everybody knows my love
and fear for both of you guys. And well, everybody's
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coming up to me and saying hey, and this that
and the other and da da da this that and
the other. And you know, I end up getting a
big ass hug from from coach none other than Urban Meyer.
Speaker 3 (01:02):
You know.
Speaker 4 (01:02):
It gives me some big big as. Oh right, He's like,
did you see little bro? I said, little Bro? I said,
what do you mean? What do you mean? You're like,
did you see Brady. I mean, I said, Brady, wa,
what do you mean you know Brady's here?
Speaker 3 (01:20):
Is it really?
Speaker 4 (01:21):
And I didn't know, And I don't see him. I
haven't seen them. He's like, I think those guys, I
think they left. I said they left. I said, but
you're saying they were in here, like they were here? Yeah, yeah,
yeah I was.
Speaker 3 (01:35):
I was. So that's the extent of it. So here
we go. It's going to hit my side of the story.
This is not gonna end well for one LaVar Arrington.
So first off, I was hurt. I did not know
LeVar was going to be at the same dinner we
were at.
Speaker 1 (01:47):
Now.
Speaker 3 (01:47):
Granted, for the listeners out there, the National Football Foundation,
which selects the College Football Hall of Fame, there is
how many how many people would you guess? Is that
ball like six seven hundred? I mean it's it is.
It's a very very big ballroom at the Bellagio, and
you see basically everyone that's in the college football world
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to some degree. There's like pieces of everyone, right, Like
I saw Dan Mullen and now putting two and two
together because he just accepted the unl the head coaching job.
It's like, oh, now, I understand why Dan Mullan was there,
but you see commissioners of every you know conference, not
just powerful, so who's who went there for, right, It's
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a big group. So as you're trying to kind of
make your way to however many of the hundreds of tables,
and so I think we're at like table one, twenty
five or whatever it was. I was unaware, completely unaware
that LaVar was even there. You know, I wasn't able
to do the show with traveling and other stuff and
other commitments, so I wasn't even I wasn't even aware
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that the LaVar was there until they go through the announcement
of the players who are up for awards on the
stage that night, and then they go through this long procession,
which I'll be honest with you, it was a little
bit odd because I think every guy keeps handing Matt's
side of note, so you got to give him as
your name, right, which is which is like, come on,
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let's like, let's give Matt something else to be able
to read from instead of you guys handing him a
slip every time. But I digress, because we weren't walks
out and I was like, well, I didn't know LeVar
was even gonna be here all right, like like it's
such a packed room of people. I didn't know. However,
when they did Lvar's intro, they did not mention two
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pros and a cup of Joe as part of it.
But they did mention the up on Game Network. Oh
they did, LeVar. I didn't know that, mind you.
Speaker 5 (03:48):
LeVar is the only person who was live streaming from
the second he walked out to taking a picture with
Matt Sign to then walking all the way down the
lineup with all the.
Speaker 3 (04:01):
Other former or current Hall of famers you know, form
or whatever. For past weeks. Yeah, yeah, and it's still live.
Speaker 5 (04:08):
I watched the whole thing that my god, dude, like
stop doing No one else is doing this but you
right now, exactly.
Speaker 3 (04:16):
So and so on. The note of Urban Urban was there.
He went though with the Utah crowd for Alex Smith
because that was his quarterback. When is it Utah? So
I saw Urban for a minute, gave him a hug,
gavehim a slap on the ass. That was it, and
then I then I was with the Fox folks and
we had a separate dinner that was set up kind
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of after it so we went for a portion and
then we we left afterwards and kind of had a
separate dinner, so I didn't get to see if I
didn't see anyone beforehand, I didn't see anyone. Definitely obviously
durning it because I'm I gonna get up and talk
to a bunch of people during the whole thing. But
once I saw you then I was like, crap, I'm
not gonna go to say out of LaVar. I never
even got to see Paul pots Lesnie, who I played against.
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We trained to together for a little bit in Arizona.
I was really excited for him. I was excited for Alex,
so I know a little bit saw his dad. Awesome event. However,
I want to make sure Jonas here is this again.
Two pros and a cup of Joe was not mentioned.
Once that's up on game. I didn't hear what he said.
I didn't. I know you did. I did because I
was sitting there and I did literally some of our
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table not on He didn't put two pros and a
couple of jokes. That is not on me. I don't know.
This seems like you're being blameless right now.
Speaker 4 (05:28):
I'm just saying I had no idea what they were
saying in MS, and I just gave.
Speaker 3 (05:33):
Him my name. You sound a lot like Jonas there
my name, who did this show solo yesterday, is doing
his solo show Saturday yeast. Also also I did get
a question from Clatt who goes, hey, man, what's up
of you guys talking about me on your show so much?
I go, well, it's a little bit of a turf
war between you and Jonas because he feels like he's
(05:53):
had JKS for a while and now you did the
whole Joel Clatt show and it's just it's a battle
right now. I was like, he's balling with you for
the writes to jakeass.
Speaker 6 (06:02):
Now, I'm not totally offended by Levar's move not mentioning
our show, because that's what you're going well, because as uh,
you know, as the main filling for up on Game like,
I can't be outraged too much because you know.
Speaker 2 (06:17):
That is part of my part of my credential.
Speaker 3 (06:19):
Wait real quick, so when you need to fill in,
Jonas is the guy you go to. I mean I
would trust I trust the show, of course you do. Yeah, okay,
can I can I tell you guys something incredibly embarrassing
that happened. Good, So it was it was black tie,
which I will say this, LeVar, not really black tie.
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The outfit. I was a little disappointed. Good for you,
bar I hate you. Thank you. Well, it's not even
that jacket. I had a jacket of yeah, okay, all right,
I couldn't tell from where where a table was. But
so anyway, I haven't worked more at Tuxedo probably since
the last time I went to this exact event. It
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when I was back in New York. So that's how
long it's been, because it's been in Vegas now for
at least what five years. Yeah, So I haven't worn
tuxedo shoes that I've got that I've worn maybe twice
in my life, maybe five six years ago and then
ten years ago. Right, So I put on my tucks
and I go downstairs. And as I'm walking to go
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meet one of our executives at Fox, I'm wearing these
tuxedo shoes. I feel like I like stepped on something
like kind of metal or something. I kind of looked back,
there's like this metal strip on the ground. I was like, oh,
that's weird. And I take a few more steps and
literally the bottom sole of my right shoe falls off,
like the whole thing, and so I like turn back
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and look, and fortunately, like not many people were really
around me, and I like went back. I looked at
I was like, what the hell? So I pick it up,
I walk over the trash can I throw it away?
And I'm thinking, all right, I guess I'm gonna like
wear one shoe without a sole and the other one's
gonna be fine, and it's gonna feel like a slipper.
So as I'm walking again closer to the bar, our
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executive at I sit down and I show him, like, dude,
I sole my shoe fell off. I could look and
as I look at my other when it's already halfway off,
so I literally pull I rip it off. And then
I'm looking at these tuxedo shoes. I'm like, dude, these
are not going to hold up. If I have to
walk out to like anywhere, a car in the ballroom table,
these things are going to fall apart. They're like glorified slippers.
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At this point, So it's five o'clock. We're trying to
leave by five thirty, and our president's coming. So I'm like,
all right, I can't be late. Don't want to be.
I don't want to I want to put my best
foot forward. So I run too the concerts. I'm like, hey,
is there any places that have like a fourteen fifteen
like dress shoe size? I was like, please, here's my number,
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Please like call me back so as it can. If
they can bring him here, that'd be great, but if not,
I'll try to run and go get him. So sure enough,
there was only like one store that had them, and
of course it had to be like a designer store.
And I'm not someone who spends money on shoes. Oh,
like maybe spent two hundred two hundred fifty bucks. I
like a nice pair of dress shoes. But you're in Vegas. Yeah,
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So I basically walk over. As I'm walking over, the
bottom blows out of these things. I'm basically barefoot now,
which is not the first time probably someone was a
bare bottom blew out the bottom blew out of it
because it was like glued on at this point. Williamson, Oh,
pretty much. And so I'm sitting there walking through the
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wind like shop area, like in my socks in a
black tuxedo, and I finally go to the store and
I just I walked right in and was like Hi.
I was like, I think Anna was supposed to be
grabbing some shoes and they're like, okay, well do you
like this? I go, I don't care about any style.
I go I need something that matches with this, and
I need it like right now. And so they brought
out like six pairs and fortunately like one fit, paid
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way too much for it, and then went back and
was able to get in the car in time to
not let anyone know what was happening. So you're not
going to let them in on what what the tag was? Huh?
It was? It was one hundred percent over one thousand dollars.
It was. That was actually not I know you had
I basically had. It was. I didn't even look after tax,
so it might have been after tax, but bro, it was.
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I was like this place, man, this Vegas place. They'll
get you no matter what is you can try winning money.
They will find ways of like flights to dollars for
some shoes. Dude, it was eight hundred and eighty bucks.
Oh yeah, man. But the thing is like, what was
I gonna do? Walk my socks rest to night? Like
I literally the lady goes, oh, do you want me
to give you a box to put your other shoes in.
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I go, oh, they're right there in the trash can,
like they're they're they're done. I have no options, Like
this is it? I had sneakers on, well, so I
was trying to get sneakers. They didn't have any of
my size.
Speaker 4 (10:49):
Yeah, I had something and by the way, had some
dressed clothes sne It was it was fairra gamma, which
like at that. Yeah, yeah, you got lucky.
Speaker 3 (10:57):
Bro.
Speaker 4 (10:58):
Honestly, I'm here a gamo and vegue because you got
lucky eight hundred dollars.
Speaker 3 (11:02):
That's that's what Uh, that's what everyone kind of said.
My told the story though it should have been more expensive,
maybe cheap, asked then way more. Yeah, but I mean,
but you are Brady Quinn too.
Speaker 4 (11:12):
But I will say this. I will say this. You
said you didn't bring up or get the chance to
holler at puzz. If there's one dude that I might
say that, Well, if I had to choose, I don't
know who I could choose between. If I said, if
I could come back and be that guy, I don't
if I look like that. If I could come back
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and be that guy always say, Brady Quinn. I was
reminded the last few times I've seen puzz that's a
that's a super Now, that's a superhero right there too.
Broh Man, that is one good looking dude. Man, that
is a good looking dude. Brouh Hey, you take it
however you want to take it. I don't get down that.
Speaker 3 (11:55):
I'm still upsetting I didn't get to say I to
and congratulated. That was one of the outside of the
dinner we had and seeing some of the folks at Fox,
that was one of my biggest motivations was was seeing him.
Speaker 4 (12:06):
Well, I'll make sure I let him know. Man, But
what a what a good dude.
Speaker 3 (12:10):
I just love. I can't get over the no Two
pros and a Cup of Joe. I mean I didn't
even hear it, so I didn't I didn't hear what
the intro was. I mean, here's here's the only thing
I'll say, not in your defense, every single other player
that like came up with some sort of superlative did
not have anything in regards to what they're doing professionally
or anything. You were one that that is a part
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of it. Two Pros and Joe was in no way shape.
But do you want to know why that is?
Speaker 7 (12:38):
Let me give you the inside scoop on why you
do content for them. That's why that's idea they're pushing.
They're pushing the fact that they're content. Now, I'm just
letting you know. And I don't want to help launch that.
That that's all that was, man, That's that's all that was.
And I didn't know that Shanks is now part of
the he's on the committee on the board, like he's
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on I saw Kevin Plank. Kevin Plank is on the board,
so I mean that, you know, you know, I got it.
I didn't hear the introduction as to what they said
about me. First and foremost, I was too busy fan boying.
I fanboy out, Like I don't know if people understand this,
but when we get an opportunity to get get there,
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I'm sitting there. And one thing that really still kind
of throws me for like the biggest, biggest, like like
kicking the head, is when you watch something growing up
in particular, like inspecific, like and you can remember because
of how amazing the moment was, you can remember where
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you were, what you were doing, and how it all
played out. And you get to hear the people who
were there, like the main like the person that was
the person tell the story. I fanboyed out seeing Tommy Fraser,
man like I was with I would stand. I spend
a lot of time with with Marcus Allen and Ronnie Lott.
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They're like the twins. Like them, dudes are like thickets.
The man Mark Sallen doesn't age, he doesn't take off
the exact.
Speaker 4 (14:10):
Same and bro, look he is as smooth as day one,
still as smooth as day one. Bro, that is one
smooth dude right there.
Speaker 3 (14:19):
Man.
Speaker 4 (14:20):
But Tommy Frazier, I'm like, dang like I always love
bringing up the Orange Bowl.
Speaker 6 (14:28):
He wrapped my heart out. I was I was a
diehard Hurricanes fan. Man, he was telling you we ass
up and spit him out.
Speaker 4 (14:35):
And you know, Zach Zach Wiegert is my that's when
he's my class.
Speaker 3 (14:39):
He's twenty two on. Can we pause for a second.
So Jonas's favorite teams just to list.
Speaker 4 (14:44):
Them off, Okay, yeah, there you go, come on, Boston Celseics,
the Pittsburgh Penguins.
Speaker 3 (14:51):
That's a rumor too that you like the Chicago Bears,
which during his childhood or adolescents. There was the eighty
five Bears, which which everyone compares, you know, the best
defenses to the Hurricanes.
Speaker 2 (15:07):
No, it was you were the biggest.
Speaker 6 (15:12):
Don't don't you're a wagon fan of sports I've ever
heard of. So when I was a kid, there were
teams that I like. I just liked the logos. I
liked how because I'm a child? What is what is
even the logo? What is the log the Cubs?
Speaker 3 (15:26):
The Cubs was the only respectable one where you actually
enjoyed the year.
Speaker 6 (15:30):
Why Why because I've had to wear it for for
all my life.
Speaker 3 (15:34):
Yeah, but you actually won one eventually. I'm just saying,
through your childhood you didn't actually root for a team
that won in baseball.
Speaker 4 (15:40):
Well, the point is you were walking around putting you
up with your hands.
Speaker 3 (15:43):
No, I didn't even know what that was back then.
Speaker 6 (15:45):
But I just remember Geno Toretta, all those guys, and
when they when they played Nebraska.
Speaker 4 (15:52):
Of course the Italian Yeah, everybody wanted to see.
Speaker 3 (15:56):
I don't know.
Speaker 4 (15:56):
I felt like back then the game was like basically
it was almost like you know, convicts versus Catholics, because
that was if you were of a if you were
of the Catholic persuasion, you wanted to see Nebraska win.
If you were of a convict persuasion, you wanted Miami
to win that.
Speaker 3 (16:17):
I'm just setting the T shirt for this the first
playoff game Catholics versus cigarettes.
Speaker 4 (16:23):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, we talked about Yeah, we talked about it.
Speaker 3 (16:26):
I haven't seen the T shirt though. It's great.
Speaker 2 (16:31):
Why is that where cigarettes come from?
Speaker 3 (16:36):
Even smoke? But I think like they all have the
Marlborough logo. People were making with shirts that just said
sig So that's where it came from. I believe during
the season, you know, he's got the red ass man
he does. He's like, he's like he feels like he's
got a point to prove. Man. Well, yeah, he was
saying like, hey, we should be hosting the game. It's like, well,
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all right, I mean we'll see, we'll see you.
Speaker 4 (17:02):
Guys are playing real well right now? Man, Yeah, that's
gonna be a good game. It's gonna be a great atmosphere.
I fortunately get to go to a couple of great games.
Speaker 3 (17:13):
That night next Friday, and then obviously the Ohio State
Tennessee game as well, So that's going to be a throttle.
Speaker 4 (17:19):
I can't wait to see that it's going to be
some great football. I think I might even stay home. Man,
I've been like debating if I'm going to go to
state college or not. What I just I just feel
like I need to be in a place where I
can be situated to kind of watch the way I
want to watch.
Speaker 2 (17:37):
This has never happened before.
Speaker 3 (17:38):
You gotta be the first time effort. You fly across
the country the whole entire year, you're not going to
go to this one? Well, I guess maybe y'all decided
and if, like of all of the like playoff games
in this round, I would say, is that the biggest spread?
Is it? I think it is. I want to say
it's four or four and a half. It could be
off efforting.
Speaker 4 (17:58):
I got I gotta say, though, Man, Like I got
as drunk as drunk is in Vegas, and maybe I
just have to continue to like get myself reset.
Speaker 3 (18:09):
I get a week.
Speaker 4 (18:09):
I get the rest of this week to kind of
reset my myself. But man, that was a rough trip
for me, Like when I traveled back, like when I
woke up and had to get on my airplane, which,
by the way.
Speaker 3 (18:21):
The security gates eight and a half points. By the way,
it's not the largest, but it's the second largest. That's
pretty that's pretty large.
Speaker 2 (18:28):
I mean, if you had to sit through u c
l A, the least you could do is go back
for this.
Speaker 3 (18:32):
One had to. I was there for the UCLA gain.
Speaker 6 (18:35):
Yeah, wasn't all that entertaining.
Speaker 4 (18:39):
I'll tell you this, I won't be on the sideline.
I'm going straight to the suits because it's going to
be freezing for Reezon.
Speaker 5 (18:48):
Man.
Speaker 3 (18:48):
I still can't believe LeVar what no two pros and
a couple of jumper.
Speaker 4 (18:52):
I did not know what. I had no idea what
they were reading or what they were saying, had no
input in it. I'm just just letting y'all know.
Speaker 3 (19:00):
I feel bad for my boy Matt signed, though, because
he's got to read through the whole deal. How many
former guys were there? Was it like one hundred? Uh,
not quite that many. It was It was a lot, though, Yeah,
it was a lot. There were a lot these days.
Read through all these names, and that's after he does
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all the players who are there that night and mad guy,
so I was.
Speaker 4 (19:24):
He probably did more with me because I spend so
much time with him. Man, that's like, that's my guy.
So I was with him all day. You know, I
got you. I'm just saying you could have given it.
I got politics going on, man, I've been and you're
one of the guys I've been politicking for.
Speaker 3 (19:40):
He to work. Well, another one I've been politicking for.
You know. That was the thing. It's like some of
these guys like work done. I'm like, work done. Wasn't
this long? Yeah? Yeah, it's like some of those guys
you Selarry Fitzgerald exactly. I was like, dang, really, I
was like, and again, I don't know all what goes
into it, Like when you see guys like Danny Wood
ed Ar, I'm on you, Edward and you're like all right, like.
Speaker 4 (20:03):
Like you sitting there like where I'm at, Brady, I'm not.
I'm not sitting there thinking that. I'm thinking at the same.
Speaker 3 (20:11):
Time as Larry Fitzgerald.
Speaker 4 (20:12):
And you know, like like others that I played, was
a hell of a class man.
Speaker 3 (20:17):
Julius Peppers. Yeah, it's the same thing, Like Julius Peppers.
I'm like, why is I'm like all these guys, I'm like,
or Tim Couch, Like Tim Couch is already in Yeah,
he's a good looking dude too, man, God dang. And
you know best though, was Hutchinson. Steve Hutchinson. Man, So
you know we great. You know, we hated each other.
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I know, I know, but I'm saying, like he slimmed
down here. He awesome. You wouldn't even know he's that guy.
You would know he was a lineman. Yeah, you wouldn't
even know who's that good looking guy? Right, Like Steve
Hutchinson was like, damn, man, hutch looks good.
Speaker 4 (20:52):
He was walking We were at the after like, we
were drinking afterwards and hanging out and he was walking by.
I was like, I looked at him, was like, hey,
we're good. He looked at me and he's like, yeah,
we're good. I was like, all right, man. I was like,
I know I hate you and I know you hate me.
I was like, but you know, we're on the same
team now. And I was like, so, I guess we
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got a beard a hatchet, and I gotta love you
now and you gotta love me.
Speaker 3 (21:15):
So let's just get over it.
Speaker 4 (21:18):
And we gave each other a big ass hug and
we started we all started having laughs and started talking.
So that was a great moment because we had some battles.
I mean we were battling from from Michigan and Penn
State to him being in Seattle. Every time we played
it was I mean, we had some down right, outright
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straight up wars me and him, like him and I
like it was it was a hate.
Speaker 3 (21:50):
It was like he's one.
Speaker 4 (21:51):
There's like there's like a couple players that I had
a handful of that I like, legitimately I hated them,
and he was on my list. And I know I
was on his cause I could tell by the way
he came after me that that we were on that list.
And I could tell by the way like I would
see him and we would see each other. We never spoke,
we never did anything like it was like on site
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type of hate with me and him. And we buried
the hatchet in Vegas, which was really cools. It shows age.
I said, listen, we don't play no more. Like I
went through the whole thing, because that's how bad it was.
Like I went through the whole thing, like I know,
we don't play no more. This is not an on
field thing like like hey man, we're good, like I'm
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good with you. Like really, my hate was really wrapped
into being a fan of how how hard you played
and how how good you were, and he went to
give me a hug. I went to give him a hug,
and then we shook hands. When he went to shake
my hand, with his right hand, he didn't have on
his cause you know, you put your ring on, you
put your Hall of Fame ring on. He didn't have
his college Hall of Fame ring on. He had his
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pro Hall of Fame ring on, and it looks very
differ from the college one. And I was like, yeah,
f you man, you went right back to hating him, Hutch. Hey.
Speaker 3 (23:09):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (23:11):
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Speaker 2 (23:24):
Guys, you were talking about the College Football Hall of Fame.
I don't know.
Speaker 6 (23:29):
If he does well enough, maybe Bill Belichick will be
in the college Football Hall of Fame at some point.
Because I'll be honest with you, when the subject had
come up, I didn't think it was a real possibility.
I just thought it was his names in the mix,
and he wants to let everybody know that he's serious
about coaching again. But as it was told, Allie Connolly
of The Guardian was all over this from the get go.
(23:50):
Belichick agrees to reportedly a five year deal and he's
going to be the new head coach at North Carolina.
Speaker 2 (23:56):
Did not see congratulations, did not see this happening.
Speaker 3 (23:59):
Here we go?
Speaker 2 (24:01):
What does this.
Speaker 6 (24:03):
Mean for North Carolina in the sense that did because
basically the way it was laid out as Belichick presented them,
this is how I'm taking the job. Mike Lombardi's already
been now the name the GM at North Carolina, Right,
it's kind of.
Speaker 3 (24:18):
Wild, man. I don't know. I think there's so many
layers to this. I mean, how many games is he from?
Overcoming Don Show's record is like fifteen or something. Yeah,
I believe to think that, Like you wouldn't want to
take at seventy two years old, mind you. North Carolina
moved on from Mac Brown who's seventy three, and hired
Bill Belichick, who's seventy two. Now maybe they look it
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back about and say, well, you feel like Bill Belichick's
a pretty surprise seventy two year old. This date a
twenty four year old, so he's got a lot of
juice left in him. He gonna get out there on camp.
Is getting the date before he could recruit. We know that.
I think there's an that element of it which teams
will use against him and recruiting. However, this to me
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is more about not his legacy. It's about Steve Belichick.
You know. I think as he looks at the landscape
and says, I want to take over a situation where
I know I can give my son an opportunity to
come in, be the defensive coordinator, to work with my
son in my final years of coaching, and be able
to then pass that torch along to him as long
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as that's you know, what the agreement is on the
way in, and I mean contractually they make that work somehow.
But that is what I think this has to do
with more than anything else. And I also would say
for a lot of the naysayers who are like, why
would an NFL coach want to go to college because
it's never as close to the NFL game as it's
ever been, then right now, if you look at the
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fact that he's already got Michael Lombardi coming in to
be as general manager, you tell me what college program
is going to have a more sophisticated way of evaluating
talent and transfer people. That's what's about to happen. High
school student evaluation, which, mind you, all of these guys
like like Lombardi, is this. There's so many players they
look at back to their high school days, do background
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reference to their high school days, and they'll go, well,
this guy was a five star. What happened in college?
Why didn't he turn out to be that guy? And
he ends up being a third fourth round pick maybe,
And yet they still go back then and say, well,
clearly the size athleticism talents there, there's some disconnect made
was this scheme and it was the coaching staff, maybe
it was some personal things off the field.
Speaker 4 (26:26):
They dig into every player they go get, so it's
not like, you know them looking at the high.
Speaker 3 (26:31):
School recruiting profiles is foreign to them. They've done it.
They do it all the time. They did it for
years when they're in the NFL. So this is an
opportunity for Bill Belichick to come into the college game
at a time where it's never been closer to the
NFL the way they have the revenue share and essentially
kind of a salary cap. I think a lot of
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people probably look at it and go, well, yeah, how's
it place like North Carolina going to compete in nil
and all these other things. It's like, well, I would
actually argue that because there's not as many rules governing
around what you can do, that you have a huge
advantage to have someone like Bill Belichick there who could
be creative with how he goes about utilizing the money
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he has. I mean, the NFL, they're all playing by
the same rules in the.
Speaker 4 (27:16):
Salary cap, so you have to be kind of creative
and figure out how to make it work there.
Speaker 3 (27:20):
In some years you just don't have as much cap space,
and college is kind of the la a loaded West.
Speaker 4 (27:24):
Still, so until there's more guardbrails around it, he probably
looks at that not as a detriment but as an
opportunity on how.
Speaker 3 (27:30):
They're gonna make this work. And I think the last
thing I would say that probably and you talked about
the NFL pipeline, I think that's real. I think when
they walk into the room and he shows you all
these Super Bowl rings, and that's gonna hit home. I mean,
outside of making money which they'll have to share with players,
and they'll be able to allocate. What else do you
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want as a player, You want to go play in
the NFL, and you're gonna have a guy who's gonna
have the highest recommendation of anything. Do you know who
the number two Kennedy was for this head coaching job.
It was Tommy Reese, who's up the Cleveland Browns. He
interviewed a couple of times. He would have been the
guy if not for Bill Belichick. Do you know who
was the biggest advocate for Tommy rees Who? Nick Saban?
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So when you think about how big like a Nick
Saban or a Bill Belichick, how big their word carries,
think about all these players who are gonna have the
stamp of approval from a Bill Belichick with all these
NFL franchising teams.
Speaker 4 (28:28):
I think, first and foremost, Bill Belichick is going to
have more fun than he's ever had in his tire
coaching career. I think that's first and foremost, because I
just I think that there's the level of pressure that
comes with being an NFL coach. There's just a lot
that's connected to it. That's first and foremost. That's first opinion.
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But then I look at the setup of all of it.
And he said it when he did his interview. He said,
if I get the resources necessary, this could be a
very attractive job. You mentioned you during your explanation in
terms of well, will will North Carolina be able to
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compete in the NIL space? Well, people would have said,
would Colorado have been able to compete in the nil space?
And look at what Dion's done. And I'll say this,
and when you're talking about businesses and resources that can
come to you in terms of putting your dollars behind something,
and and you know whether it be ad dollars, whether
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it be just getting behind whatever it is you're getting behind.
Business wise, I can guarantee you Bill Belichick has a
ton his rolodex of companies out there that would pour
into what he's doing. There's a ton of them because
they probably have all paid them to come in and
talk to their companies and corporations. He's got a ton
of them. So he's not going to be short in
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resources to be able to bring to the space. Now,
you bring in a great evaluator in Lombardi, You're going
to structure this thing. College football now has to be
structured like a professional franchise. It has to be. It
just has to be because that's where it's all going.
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Bill Belichick gets a unique opportunity to do it at
the front end of what Nil is doing in the
transfer portal is doing to college football and the realignments
and everything that's going on. So for him to have
an opportunity to bring that structure. Who's going to have
a better infrastructure for a professional team and how that
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should look at the college level than Bill Belichick?
Speaker 3 (30:43):
I would say the.
Speaker 4 (30:44):
One thing that also came to mind that I will
wonder but now you got to worry about the academics,
like all the football aspects of it, the recruitment, all
those different things. I think those things will all work
themselves out. But as it applies to what does it
look like? Will he you know, do you just get
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staff to be able to handle certain things that you
didn't have to, Like you don't have to worry about
if guys are on time for class. You got to
worry about if they're on time for meetings, you know
what I mean? Like does he treat that the same
way the guy's struggling in the go ahead?
Speaker 3 (31:21):
What's talking about a guy who dealt with some off
the field stuff with some of his players. Yeah, I
think they'll be okay.
Speaker 7 (31:26):
I think I think guys, well North Carolina is that
is true.
Speaker 3 (31:31):
I mean, it is a high academic standard there. But
I just don't did you kill anybody?
Speaker 6 (31:37):
No?
Speaker 3 (31:38):
Are you're good?
Speaker 2 (31:38):
You start a tight end for us.
Speaker 3 (31:40):
I think that's where you're going with it. Tang, tang,
Do you murder him? No? Coach, right, you're good. I
guess you're right. I guess. I mean, it's not like
he's going to Miami or anything.
Speaker 2 (31:55):
Joking.
Speaker 3 (31:58):
That's a joke.
Speaker 2 (32:01):
I can't wait to see how it works out.
Speaker 6 (32:02):
And I do find it interesting that you've seen coaches
like Gus Malzon, you know, wants to be a coordinator,
Kelly wanted to be a coordinator. Jeff Hafley left and
went to be a coordinator in the NFL.
Speaker 2 (32:13):
They were all head.
Speaker 6 (32:14):
Coaches, and Belichick's like, no, no, I'll go do that, Like,
I'll go be a part of that world. Like I
just I like the fact that he already had a
structure in place and the fact that he gets to
do it his way. And he probably looked around in
the NFL and was like I don't think I'm gonna
have that opportunity here. And if I can set my
son up, why not make the jump?
Speaker 3 (32:30):
Do you want me to give you the last kicker
in all this? If you're the head coach of an
NFL franchise, one of the biggest difficulties is the power
struggle with the general manager, right, Like, sometimes the general
manager is the director report. Sometimes he's you know, the
owner's guy, or it's the owner. Right there's the owner
that you have to battle with in regards to how
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much money you're spending in free agency and how you're structuring, etc.
And even like stadium upgrades all that stuff. When you
are the head coach in a college program and there's
multiple programs in that state. But he's getting ten million
a year in this deal, he's one of the highest
paid employees in the state. If you think about that, like,
go look at Ohio State. Does anyone get paid more
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in the state of Ohio? That would be kind of
like a state employee than Ryan Day. No. So you
have so much more power and control an autonomy than
people realize as compared to constantly having to answer to
a owner to a or battle with a general manager.
Who's trying to undercut you. That's the other thing. When
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you talk about control, some people would say, like, the
last dictators in the United States are college football coach
in nine line.
Speaker 1 (33:40):
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Speaker 6 (33:50):
Brady Quinn, step right up, all right, you are the
face of Ohio. All right, you are the pride and
joy of Dublin slash Columbus, Ohio. A lot of people
don't know this, but I call it the six to
one four you know, but again, you are representing that
fine state. It's a beautiful state, and it's also a
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state that's looking for some change because a state representative
from Ohio by the name of Josh Williams has proposed
something called the Ohio Sportsmanship Act, which would quote prohibit
planting of a flagpole and flag at the center of
the Ohio Stadium football field on the day of a
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college football game. And that is how you respond to
a loss at home to your art tribal. You go
ahead and try and get a law put in place
to where there wouldn't be allowed to plant their flag
at the horseshoe.
Speaker 7 (34:49):
Ever.
Speaker 2 (34:49):
Again, this is unbelievable that this is a real story,
and this.
Speaker 3 (34:54):
Is I'm sorry it's any Ohio state fans, any folks
in residents in the state of Ohio that disagree with me,
but this is the softest thing that has ever been
proposed in a state legislator across the country. Okay, and
that includes a lot of soft, soft things that have
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been proposed in other states. We lost a football game.
We don't need to make policy all right after losing
a football game, and spare me the angle and then the
political talk of well, it's about keeping our law enforcement safe.
Are you serious? I mean, they use pepper spray on
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these guys who are on a field after a game,
they lost a game. Can we stop? I mean, look,
I don't know Josh Williams. I'm sure he's a really
nice guy. I kind of went down that wormhole and
he's got a lot of other great policies. He's trying
to help the State of Ohio focus on that. This
is not an issue that we needed to stand on
our soapbox and start preaching like, oh, this is the
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problem with our country. This is a problem with Ohio.
There's all this flag planning going on. It's a rampant issue. No,
it's not focus on something where there's people who need
help and other issues in the state and across the country.
If other states start doing this crap, which, mind you,
this would be the first state I think that's doing this.
Let's not be a first mover on some sort of
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policy that's this soft like this is I mean, if
you want Michigan to live rent free, in your head
every single year, like this is the way to do it.
Where you lose a game and you have to create
policy because a team tried to plant their flag into
a turf field, it's not even possible. Yeah, you can't
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even implant it, Like it's the whole thing is so stupid.
I cannot believe. I don't care if it's at the
state level. I just cannot believe a politician would then
try to make legislation office or propose it. It is ridiculous.
And again, spare me the safety of the police. That
it wasn't a safety issue for the police, all right, This,
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if anything, should have been controlled by the coach or
both coaches in that case Sharon Moore and Ryan Day,
like you had sixty minutes to prove it on the field.
Once that ends, dude, go in the locker room, Go
figure out how you can try to win next year.
Go try to figureut how you can try to go
go in the playoff, win a national championship, because your
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opportunity to defend that turf just died for the fourth
straight year. It is the softest thing I can recall
my lifetime.
Speaker 6 (37:40):
Is this the worst that they've handled a loss to
Michigan in Columbus? I know there haven't been a lot
outside of the last four years, but is this the one?
Speaker 3 (37:48):
I mean, people will ridicule me for saying this, but
I would say this is an example of why you
would make that case. But also there wasn't even like
a reaction. I think the thing that bothered me from
the fan bases, like typically like when I was growing up,
and then again during the John Cooper era, like if
they won, people would be partying, you'd be excited even
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though they didn't. That's why John Cooper got fired. But
when they lost, they'd be like burning cars, I mean
burning couches out there on the streets down on campus
like it was. It was a scary deal and I'm
not advocating for that in any way, but there was
this there was this frustration, this anger, this emotion that
came out. What's sad about now is it's almost like
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Ohio State fans have resorted to the fact of, yeah,
we just can't beat them. It's like it's like a
little bit sad and depressing, like they're just nowadays, it's
just it's just, yeah, they're just better than us. I
guess like there's like there's almost like no emotion attached
to it, not saying they're okay with it, but almost
as if it's not like the anger like it used
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to be. And I guess we'll find out how ticked
off Ohio State is. I mean, I again grew up
in an era where kids were coached different, they were
todd different. Mickey Muradi was there in ow Ohio State
was my strength coach, and he was the type where
if you would have lost like this, I could only
imagine how he would have handled things back then, because
if we had have lost like that to end the season,
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yet we still had a shot to go play for
a national championship, he might have had us in there
the next day at six am and running until we puke,
or lifting and you know, like squatting or leg pressing
like six hundred pounds for sets of forty, Like you
go intil you can't, I'll strip off a plate. You
go into your can't, I'll strip off another plate. And
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I remember those days training with them, thinking to myself, like, dude,
I want to give up. I want to give in.
But that was his whole thing, is he was pushing
you past your breaking point. I don't know that you
can coach these kids like that anymore. And I think
it's part of the problem because I think they might
be still trending like that in Michigan, at least it
seems that way. I mean, you guys tell me I'm crazy,
but I cause I've got a different perspective because I
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grew up in Columbus, Ohio. But this is the softest
thing I've ever seen happen around this robbery and around sports.
Speaker 6 (40:07):
It just makes it so much worse, like it makes
everything because then it looks like not only did you lose,
but you couldn't even handle it in a way that
is representative of how much success the program is had.
You're just accepting the l and then you're crying about
it afterwards and say, you're not allowed to plan our
flag here.
Speaker 3 (40:25):
It's terrible.
Speaker 2 (40:26):
It's just the whole thing.
Speaker 6 (40:27):
And that's why watching it when you're asking the quote
when we talked about the game on Monday, and it
was like, I don't know, could you tell on TV
that the stadium was starting to turn like oh yeah,
like you could see that this one felt bigger than
some of the some of the other ones, because I
think they went into that game thinking, oh, this is
going to be a cake wa. I mean, look, we're
three touchdown favorites. I mean, this is our year. We're
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going to get our revenge. We're on our way. And
like the longer the game went on and the closer
the game was, you just felt like Michigan's going to
make enough plays to win that game. And it was
like everybody in the stadium have got the same sense,
and there's nothing they can do about it except put
a law in place to try and make sure that
you can't plant your flag there. And then Chiron More
is at a Michigan basketball game doing the flag planning
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sign on the big screen when they go to it
like he's totally embraced this whole thing, while everybody else is,
you know, trying to put in legislation.
Speaker 3 (41:20):
I just shocked. You know what the worst part is
is they're I think I admitted a felony too. They're
trying to make it a felony, which is even more absurd.
I mean, are you are you really? Do you really
care that much about it? You want to put this
on some kids record? Who's a college? I mean, for real,
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you would have put a felonyos record for planning a flag?
You're ridiculous, that is uh.
Speaker 4 (41:46):
I was thinking to myself, all right, you have a
fight ensue and a fight breakout, like you're more worried
about the flag getting planted than there being you know,
physical altercations that take place. And listen, I grant and
I know that they're saying, okay, it puts places the
police in harm's way or whatever it is that they're saying.
(42:07):
But I just I think that the premise of what
this is all about is it's just it's all off.
I mean, if anything, I would say, if you think
about competition and what competition has always represented, and and
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you get back to the basics of what was created.
You created sports clubs to be able to compete against
other sports clubs. Your team consisted of people from that place.
Right now, everything is evolved, it's changed, and we gotten
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so far away from what the origin of sports represented.
But if you really go back to the origin of
what sports represented, if you played against Pittsburgh the college,
you know where to those kids were from Pittsburgh. If
you played against somebody from Ohio State, you know where
they were from Ohio. And so when you think about it,
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we're saying, we want to see if Ohio is better
than Pittsburgh or whatever fill in the blanks. You want
to see who has the better club when you compete.
So in that sense, you're basically saying, if we come
in and we play you in Ohio and we're from Pittsburgh,
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if we want to plant a Pittsburgh flag, so to speak,
in Ohio, it's because we came in and we beat you.
Right pick kids from this place came in and beat
the kids from that place. That's what sports represents. It's
what it has always represented. Now it's decentralized and it's
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people that come from all over the place and they
play in one place, but they still the premise of
your Ohio state that represents Ohio.
Speaker 3 (44:05):
That's still there.
Speaker 4 (44:07):
And so to me, when I when I look at
somebody trying to make this a law, it kind of
defeats the purpose of what really true competition represents because
to say that planting a flag is unsportsmanlike is I
would say that's inaccurate. In fact, it's it's almost sportsmen
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like to say that they should be unimpeded from planting
the flag because they, for the day, for that moment
in time, conquered that piece of land, just like the
number one podium spot. It's like, all right, are you
gonna Are you gonna get mad at the person who
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won the gold medal because they went up and stood
on the gold medal posts that at at number one
on that on that track in that stadium. No, you're not,
because your reward for winning is to stand above the
rest of everybody else that lost. So to me, it's
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just another further symptom of our society and of our
culture that everybody gets a medal for participation and all
this other stuff. Like if I were Ohio and I
were the people that saw this being the representation of
who we are. Would I would be outraged. I would
actually want people to know that we're not that soft.
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This is not who we are, This is not what
we represent. I don't know who did this or put
this evil on us, but this is not representation of us,
because to me, you're basically saying, we would we would
rather have a law that says we're not willing to compete.
We're we're telling you and we're letting you know we're
not willing to compete. And we and we want you
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to be penalized for or beating us and being better
than us. That's that's what they're saying. We want a
law for you being better than us. So I just
you know, I'm glad it wasn't Pennsylvania.
Speaker 3 (46:12):
I glad.
Speaker 4 (46:12):
I'm glad it wasn't Pittsburgh that did this. And to
the lawmakers who are pushing for this to be a
felony and even put this in taxpayers, you know, put
that in the dossier and put it in the meetings
and all that stuff, shame on you.
Speaker 6 (46:30):
Hey, if Ohio State loses to Tennessee, which wouldn't be
the craziest thing in the world, but they lose at
home to Tennessee Ryan Dan trouble Like how.
Speaker 3 (46:41):
I keep going back to the timing of all of it.
It would be it would be really tough, in my opinion,
to move on from him at that point in time
in the season. I mean, you'd have to have someone
lined up that you feel really good about, that the
fan base would feel good about too. And I don't know,
I mean blown out one thing. I mean maybe the
way you lose matters, but I don't know. It's it
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would be so difficult. It'd be so difficult, I think,
to make the move at that point, and you kind
of wonder how the portal will be impacted by it.
I just I mean, who can to hire people like?
Oh vrabel will do it? I'm like, no, man, I mean,
he probably would rather go to an NFL team. Maybe
I'm wrong, maybybe he'd rather go back to Ohio State.
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I have no idea. But if it's not Ryan Day
like who you're hiring, I mean, urban Meyer has already
made a statement say he's not coming back, So I mean,
why make the change just to make the change because
you had a loss? Like usually want to invest into
the coach, figure out how to turn this thing around
to how to figure out how to maximize the talent
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and potential of a team that reportedly spent twenty and
a half million dollars on the roster. That's why I
would invest my time in surely not policy at the
state level to make flag planning a felony. I mean,
I just there was actually a bill to I believe,
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in the state of Ohio to allow schools to directly
pay student athletes, and iow that was one of the
things that I believe was introduced and I would assume
would be passed with everything coming, which would make things
easier for Ohio State to compete in the Anio world.
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That is the legislation that if you really want to
help out the Buckeyes, that's something that matters. That's something
that's significant. This whole flag planning thing is an absolute joke,
and it's something if you're a politician and this is
like something, oh, this is my bill, it's like, well
this is It's gonna be hard for people want to
support you for how this looks. All right, I'm just
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saying it's terrible
It's the best of two pros and a couple. Joe
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Speaker 2 (00:13):
Good to have you back, boys.
Speaker 3 (00:15):
I got a bone to pick with Q. Oh, here
we go. This is gonna be great. This is gonna
be great because I would be careful about what bone
you're picking. I'm gonna pick your bone and this go ahead,
go ahead.
Speaker 4 (00:27):
So you're like my little brother. Yeah, I make sure
everybody knows how much I love Q. And that's my guy.
And everybody's up to me. Well, for everybody runs up
on me like, oh, you know, two pros a cup
of Joe like you and you know you guys, da
da da this not the other. Everybody knows my love
and fear for both of you guys. And well, everybody's
(00:49):
coming up to me and saying hey, and this that
and the other and da da da this that and
the other. And you know, I end up getting a
big ass hug from from coach none other than Urban Meyer.
Speaker 3 (01:02):
You know.
Speaker 4 (01:02):
It gives me some big big as. Oh right, He's like,
did you see little bro? I said, little Bro? I said,
what do you mean? What do you mean? You're like,
did you see Brady. I mean, I said, Brady, wa,
what do you mean you know Brady's here?
Speaker 3 (01:20):
Is it really?
Speaker 4 (01:21):
And I didn't know, And I don't see him. I
haven't seen them. He's like, I think those guys, I
think they left. I said they left. I said, but
you're saying they were in here, like they were here? Yeah, yeah,
yeah I was.
Speaker 3 (01:35):
I was. So that's the extent of it. So here
we go. It's going to hit my side of the story.
This is not gonna end well for one LaVar Arrington.
So first off, I was hurt. I did not know
LeVar was going to be at the same dinner we
were at.
Speaker 1 (01:47):
Now.
Speaker 3 (01:47):
Granted, for the listeners out there, the National Football Foundation,
which selects the College Football Hall of Fame, there is
how many how many people would you guess? Is that
ball like six seven hundred? I mean it's it is.
It's a very very big ballroom at the Bellagio, and
you see basically everyone that's in the college football world
(02:11):
to some degree. There's like pieces of everyone, right, Like
I saw Dan Mullen and now putting two and two
together because he just accepted the unl the head coaching job.
It's like, oh, now, I understand why Dan Mullan was there,
but you see commissioners of every you know conference, not
just powerful, so who's who went there for, right, It's
(02:31):
a big group. So as you're trying to kind of
make your way to however many of the hundreds of tables,
and so I think we're at like table one, twenty
five or whatever it was. I was unaware, completely unaware
that LaVar was even there. You know, I wasn't able
to do the show with traveling and other stuff and
other commitments, so I wasn't even I wasn't even aware
(02:53):
that the LaVar was there until they go through the announcement
of the players who are up for awards on the
stage that night, and then they go through this long procession,
which I'll be honest with you, it was a little
bit odd because I think every guy keeps handing Matt's
side of note, so you got to give him as
your name, right, which is which is like, come on,
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let's like, let's give Matt something else to be able
to read from instead of you guys handing him a
slip every time. But I digress, because we weren't walks
out and I was like, well, I didn't know LeVar
was even gonna be here all right, like like it's
such a packed room of people. I didn't know. However,
when they did Lvar's intro, they did not mention two
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pros and a cup of Joe as part of it.
But they did mention the up on Game Network. Oh
they did, LeVar. I didn't know that, mind you.
Speaker 5 (03:48):
LeVar is the only person who was live streaming from
the second he walked out to taking a picture with
Matt Sign to then walking all the way down the
lineup with all the.
Speaker 3 (04:01):
Other former or current Hall of famers you know, form
or whatever. For past weeks. Yeah, yeah, and it's still live.
Speaker 5 (04:08):
I watched the whole thing that my god, dude, like
stop doing No one else is doing this but you
right now, exactly.
Speaker 3 (04:16):
So and so on. The note of Urban Urban was there.
He went though with the Utah crowd for Alex Smith
because that was his quarterback. When is it Utah? So
I saw Urban for a minute, gave him a hug,
gavehim a slap on the ass. That was it, and
then I then I was with the Fox folks and
we had a separate dinner that was set up kind
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of after it so we went for a portion and
then we we left afterwards and kind of had a
separate dinner, so I didn't get to see if I
didn't see anyone beforehand, I didn't see anyone. Definitely obviously
durning it because I'm I gonna get up and talk
to a bunch of people during the whole thing. But
once I saw you then I was like, crap, I'm
not gonna go to say out of LaVar. I never
even got to see Paul pots Lesnie, who I played against.
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We trained to together for a little bit in Arizona.
I was really excited for him. I was excited for Alex,
so I know a little bit saw his dad. Awesome event. However,
I want to make sure Jonas here is this again.
Two pros and a cup of Joe was not mentioned.
Once that's up on game. I didn't hear what he said.
I didn't. I know you did. I did because I
was sitting there and I did literally some of our
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table not on He didn't put two pros and a
couple of jokes. That is not on me. I don't know.
This seems like you're being blameless right now.
Speaker 4 (05:28):
I'm just saying I had no idea what they were
saying in MS, and I just gave.
Speaker 3 (05:33):
Him my name. You sound a lot like Jonas there
my name, who did this show solo yesterday, is doing
his solo show Saturday yeast. Also also I did get
a question from Clatt who goes, hey, man, what's up
of you guys talking about me on your show so much?
I go, well, it's a little bit of a turf
war between you and Jonas because he feels like he's
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had JKS for a while and now you did the
whole Joel Clatt show and it's just it's a battle
right now. I was like, he's balling with you for
the writes to jakeass.
Speaker 6 (06:02):
Now, I'm not totally offended by Levar's move not mentioning
our show, because that's what you're going well, because as uh,
you know, as the main filling for up on Game like,
I can't be outraged too much because you know.
Speaker 2 (06:17):
That is part of my part of my credential.
Speaker 3 (06:19):
Wait real quick, so when you need to fill in,
Jonas is the guy you go to. I mean I
would trust I trust the show, of course you do. Yeah, okay,
can I can I tell you guys something incredibly embarrassing
that happened. Good, So it was it was black tie,
which I will say this, LeVar, not really black tie.
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The outfit. I was a little disappointed. Good for you,
bar I hate you. Thank you. Well, it's not even
that jacket. I had a jacket of yeah, okay, all right,
I couldn't tell from where where a table was. But
so anyway, I haven't worked more at Tuxedo probably since
the last time I went to this exact event. It
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when I was back in New York. So that's how
long it's been, because it's been in Vegas now for
at least what five years. Yeah, So I haven't worn
tuxedo shoes that I've got that I've worn maybe twice
in my life, maybe five six years ago and then
ten years ago. Right, So I put on my tucks
and I go downstairs. And as I'm walking to go
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meet one of our executives at Fox, I'm wearing these
tuxedo shoes. I feel like I like stepped on something
like kind of metal or something. I kind of looked back,
there's like this metal strip on the ground. I was like, oh,
that's weird. And I take a few more steps and
literally the bottom sole of my right shoe falls off,
like the whole thing, and so I like turn back
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and look, and fortunately, like not many people were really
around me, and I like went back. I looked at
I was like, what the hell? So I pick it up,
I walk over the trash can I throw it away?
And I'm thinking, all right, I guess I'm gonna like
wear one shoe without a sole and the other one's
gonna be fine, and it's gonna feel like a slipper.
So as I'm walking again closer to the bar, our
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executive at I sit down and I show him, like, dude,
I sole my shoe fell off. I could look and
as I look at my other when it's already halfway off,
so I literally pull I rip it off. And then
I'm looking at these tuxedo shoes. I'm like, dude, these
are not going to hold up. If I have to
walk out to like anywhere, a car in the ballroom table,
these things are going to fall apart. They're like glorified slippers.
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At this point, So it's five o'clock. We're trying to
leave by five thirty, and our president's coming. So I'm like,
all right, I can't be late. Don't want to be.
I don't want to I want to put my best
foot forward. So I run too the concerts. I'm like, hey,
is there any places that have like a fourteen fifteen
like dress shoe size? I was like, please, here's my number,
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Please like call me back so as it can. If
they can bring him here, that'd be great, but if not,
I'll try to run and go get him. So sure enough,
there was only like one store that had them, and
of course it had to be like a designer store.
And I'm not someone who spends money on shoes. Oh,
like maybe spent two hundred two hundred fifty bucks. I
like a nice pair of dress shoes. But you're in Vegas. Yeah,
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So I basically walk over. As I'm walking over, the
bottom blows out of these things. I'm basically barefoot now,
which is not the first time probably someone was a
bare bottom blew out the bottom blew out of it
because it was like glued on at this point. Williamson, Oh,
pretty much. And so I'm sitting there walking through the
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wind like shop area, like in my socks in a
black tuxedo, and I finally go to the store and
I just I walked right in and was like Hi.
I was like, I think Anna was supposed to be
grabbing some shoes and they're like, okay, well do you
like this? I go, I don't care about any style.
I go I need something that matches with this, and
I need it like right now. And so they brought
out like six pairs and fortunately like one fit, paid
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way too much for it, and then went back and
was able to get in the car in time to
not let anyone know what was happening. So you're not
going to let them in on what what the tag was? Huh?
It was? It was one hundred percent over one thousand dollars.
It was. That was actually not I know you had
I basically had. It was. I didn't even look after tax,
so it might have been after tax, but bro, it was.
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I was like this place, man, this Vegas place. They'll
get you no matter what is you can try winning money.
They will find ways of like flights to dollars for
some shoes. Dude, it was eight hundred and eighty bucks.
Oh yeah, man. But the thing is like, what was
I gonna do? Walk my socks rest to night? Like
I literally the lady goes, oh, do you want me
to give you a box to put your other shoes in.
(10:37):
I go, oh, they're right there in the trash can,
like they're they're they're done. I have no options, Like
this is it? I had sneakers on, well, so I
was trying to get sneakers. They didn't have any of
my size.
Speaker 4 (10:49):
Yeah, I had something and by the way, had some
dressed clothes sne It was it was fairra gamma, which
like at that. Yeah, yeah, you got lucky.
Speaker 3 (10:57):
Bro.
Speaker 4 (10:58):
Honestly, I'm here a gamo and vegue because you got
lucky eight hundred dollars.
Speaker 3 (11:02):
That's that's what Uh, that's what everyone kind of said.
My told the story though it should have been more expensive,
maybe cheap, asked then way more. Yeah, but I mean,
but you are Brady Quinn too.
Speaker 4 (11:12):
But I will say this. I will say this. You
said you didn't bring up or get the chance to
holler at puzz. If there's one dude that I might
say that, Well, if I had to choose, I don't
know who I could choose between. If I said, if
I could come back and be that guy, I don't
if I look like that. If I could come back
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and be that guy always say, Brady Quinn. I was
reminded the last few times I've seen puzz that's a
that's a super Now, that's a superhero right there too.
Broh Man, that is one good looking dude. Man, that
is a good looking dude. Brouh Hey, you take it
however you want to take it. I don't get down that.
Speaker 3 (11:55):
I'm still upsetting I didn't get to say I to
and congratulated. That was one of the outside of the
dinner we had and seeing some of the folks at Fox,
that was one of my biggest motivations was was seeing him.
Speaker 4 (12:06):
Well, I'll make sure I let him know. Man, But
what a what a good dude.
Speaker 3 (12:10):
I just love. I can't get over the no Two
pros and a Cup of Joe. I mean I didn't
even hear it, so I didn't I didn't hear what
the intro was. I mean, here's here's the only thing
I'll say, not in your defense, every single other player
that like came up with some sort of superlative did
not have anything in regards to what they're doing professionally
or anything. You were one that that is a part
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of it. Two Pros and Joe was in no way shape.
But do you want to know why that is?
Speaker 7 (12:38):
Let me give you the inside scoop on why you
do content for them. That's why that's idea they're pushing.
They're pushing the fact that they're content. Now, I'm just
letting you know. And I don't want to help launch that.
That that's all that was, man, That's that's all that was.
And I didn't know that Shanks is now part of
the he's on the committee on the board, like he's
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on I saw Kevin Plank. Kevin Plank is on the board,
so I mean that, you know, you know, I got it.
I didn't hear the introduction as to what they said
about me. First and foremost, I was too busy fan boying.
I fanboy out, Like I don't know if people understand this,
but when we get an opportunity to get get there,
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I'm sitting there. And one thing that really still kind
of throws me for like the biggest, biggest, like like
kicking the head, is when you watch something growing up
in particular, like inspecific, like and you can remember because
of how amazing the moment was, you can remember where
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you were, what you were doing, and how it all
played out. And you get to hear the people who
were there, like the main like the person that was
the person tell the story. I fanboyed out seeing Tommy Fraser,
man like I was with I would stand. I spend
a lot of time with with Marcus Allen and Ronnie Lott.
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They're like the twins. Like them, dudes are like thickets.
The man Mark Sallen doesn't age, he doesn't take off
the exact.
Speaker 4 (14:10):
Same and bro, look he is as smooth as day one,
still as smooth as day one. Bro, that is one
smooth dude right there.
Speaker 3 (14:19):
Man.
Speaker 4 (14:20):
But Tommy Frazier, I'm like, dang like I always love
bringing up the Orange Bowl.
Speaker 6 (14:28):
He wrapped my heart out. I was I was a
diehard Hurricanes fan. Man, he was telling you we ass
up and spit him out.
Speaker 4 (14:35):
And you know, Zach Zach Wiegert is my that's when
he's my class.
Speaker 3 (14:39):
He's twenty two on. Can we pause for a second.
So Jonas's favorite teams just to list.
Speaker 4 (14:44):
Them off, Okay, yeah, there you go, come on, Boston Celseics,
the Pittsburgh Penguins.
Speaker 3 (14:51):
That's a rumor too that you like the Chicago Bears,
which during his childhood or adolescents. There was the eighty
five Bears, which which everyone compares, you know, the best
defenses to the Hurricanes.
Speaker 2 (15:07):
No, it was you were the biggest.
Speaker 6 (15:12):
Don't don't you're a wagon fan of sports I've ever
heard of. So when I was a kid, there were
teams that I like. I just liked the logos. I
liked how because I'm a child? What is what is
even the logo? What is the log the Cubs?
Speaker 3 (15:26):
The Cubs was the only respectable one where you actually
enjoyed the year.
Speaker 6 (15:30):
Why Why because I've had to wear it for for
all my life.
Speaker 3 (15:34):
Yeah, but you actually won one eventually. I'm just saying,
through your childhood you didn't actually root for a team
that won in baseball.
Speaker 4 (15:40):
Well, the point is you were walking around putting you
up with your hands.
Speaker 3 (15:43):
No, I didn't even know what that was back then.
Speaker 6 (15:45):
But I just remember Geno Toretta, all those guys, and
when they when they played Nebraska.
Speaker 4 (15:52):
Of course the Italian Yeah, everybody wanted to see.
Speaker 3 (15:56):
I don't know.
Speaker 4 (15:56):
I felt like back then the game was like basically
it was almost like you know, convicts versus Catholics, because
that was if you were of a if you were
of the Catholic persuasion, you wanted to see Nebraska win.
If you were of a convict persuasion, you wanted Miami
to win that.
Speaker 3 (16:17):
I'm just setting the T shirt for this the first
playoff game Catholics versus cigarettes.
Speaker 4 (16:23):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, we talked about Yeah, we talked about it.
Speaker 3 (16:26):
I haven't seen the T shirt though. It's great.
Speaker 2 (16:31):
Why is that where cigarettes come from?
Speaker 3 (16:36):
Even smoke? But I think like they all have the
Marlborough logo. People were making with shirts that just said
sig So that's where it came from. I believe during
the season, you know, he's got the red ass man
he does. He's like, he's like he feels like he's
got a point to prove. Man. Well, yeah, he was
saying like, hey, we should be hosting the game. It's like, well,
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all right, I mean we'll see, we'll see you.
Speaker 4 (17:02):
Guys are playing real well right now? Man, Yeah, that's
gonna be a good game. It's gonna be a great atmosphere.
I fortunately get to go to a couple of great games.
Speaker 3 (17:13):
That night next Friday, and then obviously the Ohio State
Tennessee game as well, So that's going to be a throttle.
Speaker 4 (17:19):
I can't wait to see that it's going to be
some great football. I think I might even stay home. Man,
I've been like debating if I'm going to go to
state college or not. What I just I just feel
like I need to be in a place where I
can be situated to kind of watch the way I
want to watch.
Speaker 2 (17:37):
This has never happened before.
Speaker 3 (17:38):
You gotta be the first time effort. You fly across
the country the whole entire year, you're not going to
go to this one? Well, I guess maybe y'all decided
and if, like of all of the like playoff games
in this round, I would say, is that the biggest spread?
Is it? I think it is. I want to say
it's four or four and a half. It could be
off efforting.
Speaker 4 (17:58):
I got I gotta say, though, Man, Like I got
as drunk as drunk is in Vegas, and maybe I
just have to continue to like get myself reset.
Speaker 3 (18:09):
I get a week.
Speaker 4 (18:09):
I get the rest of this week to kind of
reset my myself. But man, that was a rough trip
for me, Like when I traveled back, like when I
woke up and had to get on my airplane, which,
by the way.
Speaker 3 (18:21):
The security gates eight and a half points. By the way,
it's not the largest, but it's the second largest. That's
pretty that's pretty large.
Speaker 2 (18:28):
I mean, if you had to sit through u c
l A, the least you could do is go back
for this.
Speaker 3 (18:32):
One had to. I was there for the UCLA gain.
Speaker 6 (18:35):
Yeah, wasn't all that entertaining.
Speaker 4 (18:39):
I'll tell you this, I won't be on the sideline.
I'm going straight to the suits because it's going to
be freezing for Reezon.
Speaker 5 (18:48):
Man.
Speaker 3 (18:48):
I still can't believe LeVar what no two pros and
a couple of jumper.
Speaker 4 (18:52):
I did not know what. I had no idea what
they were reading or what they were saying, had no
input in it. I'm just just letting y'all know.
Speaker 3 (19:00):
I feel bad for my boy Matt signed, though, because
he's got to read through the whole deal. How many
former guys were there? Was it like one hundred? Uh,
not quite that many. It was It was a lot, though, Yeah,
it was a lot. There were a lot these days.
Read through all these names, and that's after he does
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all the players who are there that night and mad guy,
so I was.
Speaker 4 (19:24):
He probably did more with me because I spend so
much time with him. Man, that's like, that's my guy.
So I was with him all day. You know, I
got you. I'm just saying you could have given it.
I got politics going on, man, I've been and you're
one of the guys I've been politicking for.
Speaker 3 (19:40):
He to work. Well, another one I've been politicking for.
You know. That was the thing. It's like some of
these guys like work done. I'm like, work done. Wasn't
this long? Yeah? Yeah, it's like some of those guys
you Selarry Fitzgerald exactly. I was like, dang, really, I
was like, and again, I don't know all what goes
into it, Like when you see guys like Danny Wood
ed Ar, I'm on you, Edward and you're like all right, like.
Speaker 4 (20:03):
Like you sitting there like where I'm at, Brady, I'm not.
I'm not sitting there thinking that. I'm thinking at the same.
Speaker 3 (20:11):
Time as Larry Fitzgerald.
Speaker 4 (20:12):
And you know, like like others that I played, was
a hell of a class man.
Speaker 3 (20:17):
Julius Peppers. Yeah, it's the same thing, Like Julius Peppers.
I'm like, why is I'm like all these guys, I'm like,
or Tim Couch, Like Tim Couch is already in Yeah,
he's a good looking dude too, man, God dang. And
you know best though, was Hutchinson. Steve Hutchinson. Man, So
you know we great. You know, we hated each other.
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I know, I know, but I'm saying, like he slimmed
down here. He awesome. You wouldn't even know he's that guy.
You would know he was a lineman. Yeah, you wouldn't
even know who's that good looking guy? Right, Like Steve
Hutchinson was like, damn, man, hutch looks good.
Speaker 4 (20:52):
He was walking We were at the after like, we
were drinking afterwards and hanging out and he was walking by.
I was like, I looked at him, was like, hey,
we're good. He looked at me and he's like, yeah,
we're good. I was like, all right, man. I was like,
I know I hate you and I know you hate me.
I was like, but you know, we're on the same
team now. And I was like, so, I guess we
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got a beard a hatchet, and I gotta love you
now and you gotta love me.
Speaker 3 (21:15):
So let's just get over it.
Speaker 4 (21:18):
And we gave each other a big ass hug and
we started we all started having laughs and started talking.
So that was a great moment because we had some battles.
I mean we were battling from from Michigan and Penn
State to him being in Seattle. Every time we played
it was I mean, we had some down right, outright
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straight up wars me and him, like him and I
like it was it was a hate.
Speaker 3 (21:50):
It was like he's one.
Speaker 4 (21:51):
There's like there's like a couple players that I had
a handful of that I like, legitimately I hated them,
and he was on my list. And I know I
was on his cause I could tell by the way
he came after me that that we were on that list.
And I could tell by the way like I would
see him and we would see each other. We never spoke,
we never did anything like it was like on site
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type of hate with me and him. And we buried
the hatchet in Vegas, which was really cools. It shows age.
I said, listen, we don't play no more. Like I
went through the whole thing, because that's how bad it was.
Like I went through the whole thing, like I know,
we don't play no more. This is not an on
field thing like like hey man, we're good, like I'm
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good with you. Like really, my hate was really wrapped
into being a fan of how how hard you played
and how how good you were, and he went to
give me a hug. I went to give him a hug,
and then we shook hands. When he went to shake
my hand, with his right hand, he didn't have on
his cause you know, you put your ring on, you
put your Hall of Fame ring on. He didn't have
his college Hall of Fame ring on. He had his
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pro Hall of Fame ring on, and it looks very
differ from the college one. And I was like, yeah,
f you man, you went right back to hating him, Hutch. Hey.
Speaker 3 (23:09):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (23:11):
Be sure to catch live editions of Two Pros and
a Cup of Joe with Brady Quinn, LeVar Errington, and
Jonas Knox weekdays at six am Eastern three am Pacific
on Fox Sports Radio and the iHeartRadio app.
Speaker 2 (23:24):
Guys, you were talking about the College Football Hall of Fame.
I don't know.
Speaker 6 (23:29):
If he does well enough, maybe Bill Belichick will be
in the college Football Hall of Fame at some point.
Because I'll be honest with you, when the subject had
come up, I didn't think it was a real possibility.
I just thought it was his names in the mix,
and he wants to let everybody know that he's serious
about coaching again. But as it was told, Allie Connolly
of The Guardian was all over this from the get go.
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Belichick agrees to reportedly a five year deal and he's
going to be the new head coach at North Carolina.
Speaker 2 (23:56):
Did not see congratulations, did not see this happening.
Speaker 3 (23:59):
Here we go?
Speaker 2 (24:01):
What does this.
Speaker 6 (24:03):
Mean for North Carolina in the sense that did because
basically the way it was laid out as Belichick presented them,
this is how I'm taking the job. Mike Lombardi's already
been now the name the GM at North Carolina, Right,
it's kind of.
Speaker 3 (24:18):
Wild, man. I don't know. I think there's so many
layers to this. I mean, how many games is he from?
Overcoming Don Show's record is like fifteen or something. Yeah,
I believe to think that, Like you wouldn't want to
take at seventy two years old, mind you. North Carolina
moved on from Mac Brown who's seventy three, and hired
Bill Belichick, who's seventy two. Now maybe they look it
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back about and say, well, you feel like Bill Belichick's
a pretty surprise seventy two year old. This date a
twenty four year old, so he's got a lot of
juice left in him. He gonna get out there on camp.
Is getting the date before he could recruit. We know that.
I think there's an that element of it which teams
will use against him and recruiting. However, this to me
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is more about not his legacy. It's about Steve Belichick.
You know. I think as he looks at the landscape
and says, I want to take over a situation where
I know I can give my son an opportunity to
come in, be the defensive coordinator, to work with my
son in my final years of coaching, and be able
to then pass that torch along to him as long
(25:23):
as that's you know, what the agreement is on the
way in, and I mean contractually they make that work somehow.
But that is what I think this has to do
with more than anything else. And I also would say
for a lot of the naysayers who are like, why
would an NFL coach want to go to college because
it's never as close to the NFL game as it's
ever been, then right now, if you look at the
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fact that he's already got Michael Lombardi coming in to
be as general manager, you tell me what college program
is going to have a more sophisticated way of evaluating
talent and transfer people. That's what's about to happen. High
school student evaluation, which, mind you, all of these guys
like like Lombardi, is this. There's so many players they
look at back to their high school days, do background
(26:06):
reference to their high school days, and they'll go, well,
this guy was a five star. What happened in college?
Why didn't he turn out to be that guy? And
he ends up being a third fourth round pick maybe,
And yet they still go back then and say, well,
clearly the size athleticism talents there, there's some disconnect made
was this scheme and it was the coaching staff, maybe
it was some personal things off the field.
Speaker 4 (26:26):
They dig into every player they go get, so it's
not like, you know them looking at the high.
Speaker 3 (26:31):
School recruiting profiles is foreign to them. They've done it.
They do it all the time. They did it for
years when they're in the NFL. So this is an
opportunity for Bill Belichick to come into the college game
at a time where it's never been closer to the
NFL the way they have the revenue share and essentially
kind of a salary cap. I think a lot of
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people probably look at it and go, well, yeah, how's
it place like North Carolina going to compete in nil
and all these other things. It's like, well, I would
actually argue that because there's not as many rules governing
around what you can do, that you have a huge
advantage to have someone like Bill Belichick there who could
be creative with how he goes about utilizing the money
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he has. I mean, the NFL, they're all playing by
the same rules in the.
Speaker 4 (27:16):
Salary cap, so you have to be kind of creative
and figure out how to make it work there.
Speaker 3 (27:20):
In some years you just don't have as much cap space,
and college is kind of the la a loaded West.
Speaker 4 (27:24):
Still, so until there's more guardbrails around it, he probably
looks at that not as a detriment but as an
opportunity on how.
Speaker 3 (27:30):
They're gonna make this work. And I think the last
thing I would say that probably and you talked about
the NFL pipeline, I think that's real. I think when
they walk into the room and he shows you all
these Super Bowl rings, and that's gonna hit home. I mean,
outside of making money which they'll have to share with players,
and they'll be able to allocate. What else do you
(27:51):
want as a player, You want to go play in
the NFL, and you're gonna have a guy who's gonna
have the highest recommendation of anything. Do you know who
the number two Kennedy was for this head coaching job.
It was Tommy Reese, who's up the Cleveland Browns. He
interviewed a couple of times. He would have been the
guy if not for Bill Belichick. Do you know who
was the biggest advocate for Tommy rees Who? Nick Saban?
(28:12):
So when you think about how big like a Nick
Saban or a Bill Belichick, how big their word carries,
think about all these players who are gonna have the
stamp of approval from a Bill Belichick with all these
NFL franchising teams.
Speaker 4 (28:28):
I think, first and foremost, Bill Belichick is going to
have more fun than he's ever had in his tire
coaching career. I think that's first and foremost, because I
just I think that there's the level of pressure that
comes with being an NFL coach. There's just a lot
that's connected to it. That's first and foremost. That's first opinion.
(28:52):
But then I look at the setup of all of it.
And he said it when he did his interview. He said,
if I get the resources necessary, this could be a
very attractive job. You mentioned you during your explanation in
terms of well, will will North Carolina be able to
(29:14):
compete in the NIL space? Well, people would have said,
would Colorado have been able to compete in the nil space?
And look at what Dion's done. And I'll say this,
and when you're talking about businesses and resources that can
come to you in terms of putting your dollars behind something,
and and you know whether it be ad dollars, whether
(29:36):
it be just getting behind whatever it is you're getting behind.
Business wise, I can guarantee you Bill Belichick has a
ton his rolodex of companies out there that would pour
into what he's doing. There's a ton of them because
they probably have all paid them to come in and
talk to their companies and corporations. He's got a ton
of them. So he's not going to be short in
(29:57):
resources to be able to bring to the space. Now,
you bring in a great evaluator in Lombardi, You're going
to structure this thing. College football now has to be
structured like a professional franchise. It has to be. It
just has to be because that's where it's all going.
(30:19):
Bill Belichick gets a unique opportunity to do it at
the front end of what Nil is doing in the
transfer portal is doing to college football and the realignments
and everything that's going on. So for him to have
an opportunity to bring that structure. Who's going to have
a better infrastructure for a professional team and how that
(30:39):
should look at the college level than Bill Belichick?
Speaker 3 (30:43):
I would say the.
Speaker 4 (30:44):
One thing that also came to mind that I will
wonder but now you got to worry about the academics,
like all the football aspects of it, the recruitment, all
those different things. I think those things will all work
themselves out. But as it applies to what does it
look like? Will he you know, do you just get
(31:04):
staff to be able to handle certain things that you
didn't have to, Like you don't have to worry about
if guys are on time for class. You got to
worry about if they're on time for meetings, you know
what I mean? Like does he treat that the same
way the guy's struggling in the go ahead?
Speaker 3 (31:21):
What's talking about a guy who dealt with some off
the field stuff with some of his players. Yeah, I
think they'll be okay.
Speaker 7 (31:26):
I think I think guys, well North Carolina is that
is true.
Speaker 3 (31:31):
I mean, it is a high academic standard there. But
I just don't did you kill anybody?
Speaker 6 (31:37):
No?
Speaker 3 (31:38):
Are you're good?
Speaker 2 (31:38):
You start a tight end for us.
Speaker 3 (31:40):
I think that's where you're going with it. Tang, tang,
Do you murder him? No? Coach, right, you're good. I
guess you're right. I guess. I mean, it's not like
he's going to Miami or anything.
Speaker 2 (31:55):
Joking.
Speaker 3 (31:58):
That's a joke.
Speaker 2 (32:01):
I can't wait to see how it works out.
Speaker 6 (32:02):
And I do find it interesting that you've seen coaches
like Gus Malzon, you know, wants to be a coordinator,
Kelly wanted to be a coordinator. Jeff Hafley left and
went to be a coordinator in the NFL.
Speaker 2 (32:13):
They were all head.
Speaker 6 (32:14):
Coaches, and Belichick's like, no, no, I'll go do that, Like,
I'll go be a part of that world. Like I
just I like the fact that he already had a
structure in place and the fact that he gets to
do it his way. And he probably looked around in
the NFL and was like I don't think I'm gonna
have that opportunity here. And if I can set my
son up, why not make the jump?
Speaker 3 (32:30):
Do you want me to give you the last kicker
in all this? If you're the head coach of an
NFL franchise, one of the biggest difficulties is the power
struggle with the general manager, right, Like, sometimes the general
manager is the director report. Sometimes he's you know, the
owner's guy, or it's the owner. Right there's the owner
that you have to battle with in regards to how
(32:51):
much money you're spending in free agency and how you're structuring, etc.
And even like stadium upgrades all that stuff. When you
are the head coach in a college program and there's
multiple programs in that state. But he's getting ten million
a year in this deal, he's one of the highest
paid employees in the state. If you think about that, like,
go look at Ohio State. Does anyone get paid more
(33:13):
in the state of Ohio? That would be kind of
like a state employee than Ryan Day. No. So you
have so much more power and control an autonomy than
people realize as compared to constantly having to answer to
a owner to a or battle with a general manager.
Who's trying to undercut you. That's the other thing. When
(33:33):
you talk about control, some people would say, like, the
last dictators in the United States are college football coach
in nine line.
Speaker 1 (33:40):
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Speaker 6 (33:50):
Brady Quinn, step right up, all right, you are the
face of Ohio. All right, you are the pride and
joy of Dublin slash Columbus, Ohio. A lot of people
don't know this, but I call it the six to
one four you know, but again, you are representing that
fine state. It's a beautiful state, and it's also a
(34:11):
state that's looking for some change because a state representative
from Ohio by the name of Josh Williams has proposed
something called the Ohio Sportsmanship Act, which would quote prohibit
planting of a flagpole and flag at the center of
the Ohio Stadium football field on the day of a
(34:34):
college football game. And that is how you respond to
a loss at home to your art tribal. You go
ahead and try and get a law put in place
to where there wouldn't be allowed to plant their flag
at the horseshoe.
Speaker 7 (34:49):
Ever.
Speaker 2 (34:49):
Again, this is unbelievable that this is a real story,
and this.
Speaker 3 (34:54):
Is I'm sorry it's any Ohio state fans, any folks
in residents in the state of Ohio that disagree with me,
but this is the softest thing that has ever been
proposed in a state legislator across the country. Okay, and
that includes a lot of soft, soft things that have
(35:17):
been proposed in other states. We lost a football game.
We don't need to make policy all right after losing
a football game, and spare me the angle and then the
political talk of well, it's about keeping our law enforcement safe.
Are you serious? I mean, they use pepper spray on
(35:38):
these guys who are on a field after a game,
they lost a game. Can we stop? I mean, look,
I don't know Josh Williams. I'm sure he's a really
nice guy. I kind of went down that wormhole and
he's got a lot of other great policies. He's trying
to help the State of Ohio focus on that. This
is not an issue that we needed to stand on
our soapbox and start preaching like, oh, this is the
(36:01):
problem with our country. This is a problem with Ohio.
There's all this flag planning going on. It's a rampant issue. No,
it's not focus on something where there's people who need
help and other issues in the state and across the country.
If other states start doing this crap, which, mind you,
this would be the first state I think that's doing this.
Let's not be a first mover on some sort of
(36:24):
policy that's this soft like this is I mean, if
you want Michigan to live rent free, in your head
every single year, like this is the way to do it.
Where you lose a game and you have to create
policy because a team tried to plant their flag into
a turf field, it's not even possible. Yeah, you can't
(36:45):
even implant it, Like it's the whole thing is so stupid.
I cannot believe. I don't care if it's at the
state level. I just cannot believe a politician would then
try to make legislation office or propose it. It is ridiculous.
And again, spare me the safety of the police. That
it wasn't a safety issue for the police, all right, This,
(37:10):
if anything, should have been controlled by the coach or
both coaches in that case Sharon Moore and Ryan Day,
like you had sixty minutes to prove it on the field.
Once that ends, dude, go in the locker room, Go
figure out how you can try to win next year.
Go try to figureut how you can try to go
go in the playoff, win a national championship, because your
(37:30):
opportunity to defend that turf just died for the fourth
straight year. It is the softest thing I can recall
my lifetime.
Speaker 6 (37:40):
Is this the worst that they've handled a loss to
Michigan in Columbus? I know there haven't been a lot
outside of the last four years, but is this the one?
Speaker 3 (37:48):
I mean, people will ridicule me for saying this, but
I would say this is an example of why you
would make that case. But also there wasn't even like
a reaction. I think the thing that bothered me from
the fan bases, like typically like when I was growing up,
and then again during the John Cooper era, like if
they won, people would be partying, you'd be excited even
(38:10):
though they didn't. That's why John Cooper got fired. But
when they lost, they'd be like burning cars, I mean
burning couches out there on the streets down on campus
like it was. It was a scary deal and I'm
not advocating for that in any way, but there was
this there was this frustration, this anger, this emotion that
came out. What's sad about now is it's almost like
(38:32):
Ohio State fans have resorted to the fact of, yeah,
we just can't beat them. It's like it's like a
little bit sad and depressing, like they're just nowadays, it's
just it's just, yeah, they're just better than us. I
guess like there's like there's almost like no emotion attached
to it, not saying they're okay with it, but almost
as if it's not like the anger like it used
(38:54):
to be. And I guess we'll find out how ticked
off Ohio State is. I mean, I again grew up
in an era where kids were coached different, they were
todd different. Mickey Muradi was there in ow Ohio State
was my strength coach, and he was the type where
if you would have lost like this, I could only
imagine how he would have handled things back then, because
if we had have lost like that to end the season,
(39:16):
yet we still had a shot to go play for
a national championship, he might have had us in there
the next day at six am and running until we puke,
or lifting and you know, like squatting or leg pressing
like six hundred pounds for sets of forty, Like you
go intil you can't, I'll strip off a plate. You
go into your can't, I'll strip off another plate. And
(39:37):
I remember those days training with them, thinking to myself, like, dude,
I want to give up. I want to give in.
But that was his whole thing, is he was pushing
you past your breaking point. I don't know that you
can coach these kids like that anymore. And I think
it's part of the problem because I think they might
be still trending like that in Michigan, at least it
seems that way. I mean, you guys tell me I'm crazy,
but I cause I've got a different perspective because I
(39:59):
grew up in Columbus, Ohio. But this is the softest
thing I've ever seen happen around this robbery and around sports.
Speaker 6 (40:07):
It just makes it so much worse, like it makes
everything because then it looks like not only did you lose,
but you couldn't even handle it in a way that
is representative of how much success the program is had.
You're just accepting the l and then you're crying about
it afterwards and say, you're not allowed to plan our
flag here.
Speaker 3 (40:25):
It's terrible.
Speaker 2 (40:26):
It's just the whole thing.
Speaker 6 (40:27):
And that's why watching it when you're asking the quote
when we talked about the game on Monday, and it
was like, I don't know, could you tell on TV
that the stadium was starting to turn like oh yeah,
like you could see that this one felt bigger than
some of the some of the other ones, because I
think they went into that game thinking, oh, this is
going to be a cake wa. I mean, look, we're
three touchdown favorites. I mean, this is our year. We're
(40:49):
going to get our revenge. We're on our way. And
like the longer the game went on and the closer
the game was, you just felt like Michigan's going to
make enough plays to win that game. And it was
like everybody in the stadium have got the same sense,
and there's nothing they can do about it except put
a law in place to try and make sure that
you can't plant your flag there. And then Chiron More
is at a Michigan basketball game doing the flag planning
(41:12):
sign on the big screen when they go to it
like he's totally embraced this whole thing, while everybody else is,
you know, trying to put in legislation.
Speaker 3 (41:20):
I just shocked. You know what the worst part is
is they're I think I admitted a felony too. They're
trying to make it a felony, which is even more absurd.
I mean, are you are you really? Do you really
care that much about it? You want to put this
on some kids record? Who's a college? I mean, for real,
(41:40):
you would have put a felonyos record for planning a flag?
You're ridiculous, that is uh.
Speaker 4 (41:46):
I was thinking to myself, all right, you have a
fight ensue and a fight breakout, like you're more worried
about the flag getting planted than there being you know,
physical altercations that take place. And listen, I grant and
I know that they're saying, okay, it puts places the
police in harm's way or whatever it is that they're saying.
(42:07):
But I just I think that the premise of what
this is all about is it's just it's all off.
I mean, if anything, I would say, if you think
about competition and what competition has always represented, and and
(42:27):
you get back to the basics of what was created.
You created sports clubs to be able to compete against
other sports clubs. Your team consisted of people from that place.
Right now, everything is evolved, it's changed, and we gotten
(42:49):
so far away from what the origin of sports represented.
But if you really go back to the origin of
what sports represented, if you played against Pittsburgh the college,
you know where to those kids were from Pittsburgh. If
you played against somebody from Ohio State, you know where
they were from Ohio. And so when you think about it,
(43:12):
we're saying, we want to see if Ohio is better
than Pittsburgh or whatever fill in the blanks. You want
to see who has the better club when you compete.
So in that sense, you're basically saying, if we come
in and we play you in Ohio and we're from Pittsburgh,
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if we want to plant a Pittsburgh flag, so to speak,
in Ohio, it's because we came in and we beat you.
Right pick kids from this place came in and beat
the kids from that place. That's what sports represents. It's
what it has always represented. Now it's decentralized and it's
(43:56):
people that come from all over the place and they
play in one place, but they still the premise of
your Ohio state that represents Ohio.
Speaker 3 (44:05):
That's still there.
Speaker 4 (44:07):
And so to me, when I when I look at
somebody trying to make this a law, it kind of
defeats the purpose of what really true competition represents because
to say that planting a flag is unsportsmanlike is I
would say that's inaccurate. In fact, it's it's almost sportsmen
(44:27):
like to say that they should be unimpeded from planting
the flag because they, for the day, for that moment
in time, conquered that piece of land, just like the
number one podium spot. It's like, all right, are you
gonna Are you gonna get mad at the person who
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won the gold medal because they went up and stood
on the gold medal posts that at at number one
on that on that track in that stadium. No, you're not,
because your reward for winning is to stand above the
rest of everybody else that lost. So to me, it's
(45:10):
just another further symptom of our society and of our
culture that everybody gets a medal for participation and all
this other stuff. Like if I were Ohio and I
were the people that saw this being the representation of
who we are. Would I would be outraged. I would
actually want people to know that we're not that soft.
(45:33):
This is not who we are, This is not what
we represent. I don't know who did this or put
this evil on us, but this is not representation of us,
because to me, you're basically saying, we would we would
rather have a law that says we're not willing to compete.
We're we're telling you and we're letting you know we're
not willing to compete. And we and we want you
(45:57):
to be penalized for or beating us and being better
than us. That's that's what they're saying. We want a
law for you being better than us. So I just
you know, I'm glad it wasn't Pennsylvania.
Speaker 3 (46:12):
I glad.
Speaker 4 (46:12):
I'm glad it wasn't Pittsburgh that did this. And to
the lawmakers who are pushing for this to be a
felony and even put this in taxpayers, you know, put
that in the dossier and put it in the meetings
and all that stuff, shame on you.
Speaker 6 (46:30):
Hey, if Ohio State loses to Tennessee, which wouldn't be
the craziest thing in the world, but they lose at
home to Tennessee Ryan Dan trouble Like how.
Speaker 3 (46:41):
I keep going back to the timing of all of it.
It would be it would be really tough, in my opinion,
to move on from him at that point in time
in the season. I mean, you'd have to have someone
lined up that you feel really good about, that the
fan base would feel good about too. And I don't know,
I mean blown out one thing. I mean maybe the
way you lose matters, but I don't know. It's it
(47:05):
would be so difficult. It'd be so difficult, I think,
to make the move at that point, and you kind
of wonder how the portal will be impacted by it.
I just I mean, who can to hire people like?
Oh vrabel will do it? I'm like, no, man, I mean,
he probably would rather go to an NFL team. Maybe
I'm wrong, maybybe he'd rather go back to Ohio State.
(47:27):
I have no idea. But if it's not Ryan Day
like who you're hiring, I mean, urban Meyer has already
made a statement say he's not coming back, So I mean,
why make the change just to make the change because
you had a loss? Like usually want to invest into
the coach, figure out how to turn this thing around
to how to figure out how to maximize the talent
(47:47):
and potential of a team that reportedly spent twenty and
a half million dollars on the roster. That's why I
would invest my time in surely not policy at the
state level to make flag planning a felony. I mean,
I just there was actually a bill to I believe,
(48:08):
in the state of Ohio to allow schools to directly
pay student athletes, and iow that was one of the
things that I believe was introduced and I would assume
would be passed with everything coming, which would make things
easier for Ohio State to compete in the Anio world.
(48:28):
That is the legislation that if you really want to
help out the Buckeyes, that's something that matters. That's something
that's significant. This whole flag planning thing is an absolute joke,
and it's something if you're a politician and this is
like something, oh, this is my bill, it's like, well
this is It's gonna be hard for people want to
support you for how this looks. All right, I'm just
(48:48):
saying it's terrible
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