February 3, 2025 • 32 mins
Today on 2 Pros and a Cup of Joe, the guys talk about the huge NBA trade that had the Mavericks sending Luka Doncic to the Lakers for Anthony Davis, how the Pro Bowl doesn't mean what it once did, more accusers coming out against Justin Tucker, and more!
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
Is the best of two pros and a couple Joe
with lamar As rating win and Jonas Knox on radio.
Speaker 2 (00:13):
What the f with the Dallas Mavericks thinking trading Luka
Dancic over the weekend? I don't get it. I don't understand.
Speaker 3 (00:22):
Now, you know that's a big story because well we're
talking about it.
Speaker 4 (00:27):
That's super weago. So they pulled a fast Okay, hold on,
real quick pause there for a second, though.
Speaker 5 (00:35):
Is the NFL fan base or just people in general,
a little bit tired of the Kansas City Chiefs the
same repetitive story slash a matchup that we saw a
couple of years ago.
Speaker 3 (00:46):
It might be there might be Kansas City fatigue, but
you know, if that's what it is, then that's like
crazy over entitlement because you're why would you not want
to be a part of history. Like there's certain things
like you saw somebody do something. You saw Bruce Jenner,
you know, formerly known as Bruce Jenner, you know, formerly
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known do some crazy things in the Olympics, or you know,
you saw Michael Jordan he transitioned to another life. You know,
he's no longer with us. I mean I think that
I think.
Speaker 4 (01:27):
That's accurate, and he can't change back, right. You know,
I just don't know that I'll respond to it.
Speaker 3 (01:38):
I don't know, But what I will say is, you
see historical feats take place. Why in the moment do
we not enjoy and reverence the idea that, oh, Tom
Brady's having a career year and could possibly get another
Super Bowl that makes him the most winning his quarterback
of Super Bowls, or you know this guy, you had
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this man the yards in the game or passing yard,
whatever it is. There probably is fatigue for Patrick Mahomes
and his Chiefs team. But people, it's history right there,
and it's it's really something that's that's sensible to think
it's plausible to think that they could win this game
and be the only team to.
Speaker 4 (02:20):
Win it three times.
Speaker 2 (02:20):
I mean, Patrick Mahomes is a Dallas Mavericks fan for.
Speaker 4 (02:23):
What it's worth, Yeah, he is. So he beside himself
with trade. I just wow.
Speaker 2 (02:27):
So here's here's the part that I struggle with, because, look,
Anthony Davis gonna be a Hall of Famer, great player,
He's not twenty five in his prime and one of
the best talents on the planets, one of the best
players on the planet.
Speaker 4 (02:43):
He's thirty one and by the way, he's never played
a full season.
Speaker 2 (02:45):
Yeah, and so so something doesn't smell right. Something just
seems off, because why would you not if you're if
you were intending on trading Luca, why would you not
at least shop around to see if you could get
a better deal. I mean, the Miami Heater trying to
download Jimmy Butler Deerreon Hupping Fox just got traded, but
he was on the mark, Like why not shop around
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see what you can get? And if not that, why
not get the other first round pick from the Lakers?
Like you could have gotten that too. So either then
this is the only thing I've come up with. Either
the Dallas Mavericks know something we don't.
Speaker 4 (03:23):
Know about Luca.
Speaker 2 (03:25):
About Luca, he's damage goods, there's a problem. There's something
else coming up that that that we're not familiar with
until or the people that made the call there are
just idiots like I cause I can't figure out.
Speaker 3 (03:38):
I mean, does one have to be falls for the
Can I play out my my conspiracy theory?
Speaker 4 (03:45):
Can we get.
Speaker 3 (03:45):
Mistery and we get it? Can we get Robert Stack
right now? With the smoke billowing out in the alley.
Speaker 6 (03:53):
Let's get it a story about three men doing a
radio show which on the air at this point, and
the only one sitting on milk crate.
Speaker 4 (04:04):
At this point. How many more years does Lebron have? One?
Two to three, two to three games? Two to three?
You really do think he has? Oh, oh, not games?
How many? How many more do you think he has?
I think that this would be it two minutes if.
Speaker 5 (04:26):
They win an NBA finals And and here's the reality
is I think the one fifth right now in the West,
they're leading the Pacific Division, and he's already he already
got his son on the team.
Speaker 4 (04:35):
He's gone through that. It's a great call.
Speaker 3 (04:38):
The I think this is all in a move by
the NBA, the powers that be to allow one of
the greatest of all time to leave sail off into
the sunset in a way that he that he would
appreciate too.
Speaker 4 (04:56):
It's a great pool, I mean, because here's the one thing.
Speaker 3 (04:59):
I'll say, you look at how much closer they should
be with the addition of Luca, who's done nothing but
elevate the Dallas Mavericks since he got there.
Speaker 5 (05:06):
One Rookie of the Year then they started going to
the playoffs. I think they've missed it once maybe in
the past five years. Last obviously lost the finals. This
to me allows a guy who had his age. Even
though Lebron's playing at a high level most nights, it
allows him to not have to put in the minutes
and have that wingman who can legitimately take over to
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put a team on his back and go win a championship.
Speaker 4 (05:29):
He wants to do that in Dallas.
Speaker 2 (05:30):
I mean, defensively, they're going to be a sieve because
he doesn't he doesn't stop it, and he's not interested.
Speaker 4 (05:37):
He just say.
Speaker 3 (05:39):
Well, that's what they tried to use as as their
reasoning for letting them go is they just got to
the point where they were unhappy condition and all that stuff,
and and and listen, if conditioning we're good on on
stack now we we because I will say the conspiracy
theory is solid. That's super solid, like what you came up.
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Ratings are down, just they need some music. Definitely can go.
Speaker 2 (06:05):
And by the way, it could definitely go. Anybody that
thinks that that him being in la isn't better than
him being in Dallas, you're just not paying attention. So yeah,
that would play into that that it's a better and
also it's the transition for the Lakers after Labron once
he walks away, now they've got their next next.
Speaker 4 (06:27):
There you go.
Speaker 3 (06:28):
I don't understand though, We're talked about the Dallas standpoint,
which doesn't make any sense if you're Mark Cuban.
Speaker 4 (06:34):
And I think Mark Cuban's a smart guy.
Speaker 5 (06:35):
He's he's obviously very outspoken in a lot of different ways,
and and some people might question some of what he says,
but the truth is he's a smart guy. I don't
know how you're the owner of the Dallas Mavericks and
this is this is what you turn a twenty five
year old Luka Doncic who's in the prime of his
career into Anthony Davis, Max Christie and a twenty twenty
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nine Lakers first round pick. Now, mind you, the Nets
traded Kevin Durant, and this is what that trade netted
them at this current point in time, Cam Johnson, nice
Zire Williams, a twenty twenty three Phoenix first round pick,
a twenty twenty five Phoenix first round pick, a twenty
twenty five New York Knicks first round pick, a twenty
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twenty five Milwaukee first round pick, a twenty twenty seven
Phoenix first round pick, a twenty twenty seven New York
Knicks first round pick, twenty twenty eight Phoenix first round swap,
twenty twenty eight New York Knicks first round swap, a
twenty twenty nine Phoenix first round pick, a twenty twenty
nine Knicks first round pick, a twenty thirty one New
York Knicks first round pick, a twenty twenty five Brooklyn
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Nets second round pick, a twenty twenty eight Milwaukee second
round pick, a twenty nine Milwaukee second round pick, and
a twenty thirty Dallas second round pick.
Speaker 4 (07:51):
Did you even keep up with all that? Dang?
Speaker 3 (07:53):
So that's what the Nets were able to ultimately roll
the Durant trade into. And this is where we sit
there with I don't know how Dallas is going to
make this trade any better with what they brought on
at this.
Speaker 2 (08:04):
And also like the idea of shopping him around, like well,
you know, maybe they wanted to do it in the shadows.
Speaker 3 (08:09):
And not and that's what and that's really what and
they talked about that, right and.
Speaker 2 (08:13):
That okay, but like are you worried about in this
day and age, people finding out of that stuff or
are you or are you worried about, Hey, what what
can we get that's going to be the best deal
in return? Like everybody knows Jimmy Butler's on the trade block,
everybody knew Dearon Fox is on the trade block. But
still you're going to get better offers that are out there.
Teams are going to come to the table and go, oh,
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you're thinking about trading Luca. Let's have a conversation.
Speaker 3 (08:37):
Let's be clear here though, If Anthony Davis is healthy
and on the court, he is literally top three players
in the league. I'll get healthy top three player, what
top three top three players in the league and his
versatility and what he brings to the table. If they
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feel like Dallas is that close and they don't necessarily
maybe based upon Kyrie's ability to facilitate in the offense
the shooting and the scoring that they have and and
some other you know, positions on the court, that that
download presence, that swingman, presence of having Anthony Davis and
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how he plays versus the style of Luca. If they
feel as though that that's less of a liability based
upon some of the things that they've said about Luca,
they could push themselves over the top.
Speaker 4 (09:35):
With Anthony Davis.
Speaker 2 (09:37):
Being on that team, There's there's just gotta be something
else going on.
Speaker 4 (09:40):
I mean, listen, I like I like huge.
Speaker 3 (09:43):
I like reasoning, but let's not act as though Anthony
Davis isn't of the caliber of player where Jason Kidd
doesn't get an opportunity for his team Kyrie Kyrie and
and Anthony Davis.
Speaker 4 (09:58):
Yeah, he didn't even know. He didn't even know. He
coached them though, the bubble boy when they wanted, when
they wanted. He knows his gamut.
Speaker 5 (10:04):
I would just say that, which is odd though, why
you would then keep Jason Kid in the dark.
Speaker 4 (10:09):
You would think that a guy that he's.
Speaker 5 (10:11):
Coached, a guy that he knows how he could fit
with in his system, and obviously his injury history too,
that you would bring him in on this decision.
Speaker 3 (10:20):
Jason looked like Mike Tyson when Robin Gibbons was on
that interview that Jay can't was sitting there. He'll talk
about Jason didn't even know. They didn't even know what
we were doing, Jason. But you off your in beds uh.
By the way, I'm just glad that the NBA could
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not could pull off a deal like this without Lebron
James knowing. I mean, he was just having a nice
sh his family had no idea.
Speaker 4 (10:51):
This was gonna happen. That seems Yeah, that's just seems
about right.
Speaker 2 (10:55):
It just like the whole thing. That's the problem is
that you don't know who to believe in that because
so many people are full of crap. And listen, there's
people full of crap all the time. But the idea
that the organization drafted his son when nobody was going
to draft his.
Speaker 4 (11:10):
Hired JJ Reddick as the head coach.
Speaker 2 (11:13):
It's but this one, I was after dinner New York.
Speaker 4 (11:18):
What happened? Okay, dude, Like I mean, and we haven't
said this yet.
Speaker 3 (11:22):
It does make the Lakers look like they're brilliant though,
I mean, you got to throw it out in there.
The Lake Show brings LUKA DONC to their to their organizations.
Speaker 2 (11:34):
I mean, and it's also nice.
Speaker 4 (11:35):
I mean, that is epic. It's not the.
Speaker 2 (11:37):
First time that there's been a deal involving the Lakers
in which you looked at and go, wow, they really
won that deal.
Speaker 3 (11:45):
Kareem Kareem's like, but this is on Kareem level.
Speaker 2 (11:50):
Laker fans will bitch and moan about Chris Paul all
they want, Like, you've now got three trades that are
so lopsided. Nobody people thought Sean Sharani hacked. They thought, okay,
somebody got I saw.
Speaker 3 (12:03):
I saw it while I was in the airport, and
almost basically like spit my my coffee out. It was
a long Allan, I was just gonna say though, it
was a long.
Speaker 4 (12:16):
Yeah, it was. It was a long.
Speaker 3 (12:17):
I spied up what like is this like what like
I's to go on my phone looking at my phone
like like is this real? I didn't think it was real.
I thought it was I thought it was a scam
or or like a spoof or something. It's not April
on the point though, of Lebron not knowing who's uh.
Speaker 4 (12:35):
How you pronounce whatever, who's your repie Clutch Sports, Oh,
I didn't.
Speaker 2 (12:41):
Know that it's Sham's Sports, So I didn't know that.
Speaker 4 (12:43):
Wow, that's good. And then and then obviously that's Lebron's agency.
Yeah you know, yeah, it's it's people. So it's like
it's not like this was a secret to Lebron. Jameson's family.
He knew what was happening by the scene.
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Speaker 2 (13:10):
LeVar, sorry for your loss. Just want to get that
out of the way. Uh, because the Pro Bowl you knew?
Speaker 4 (13:16):
Oh dead man? Okay, can I ask this? That's worse
than That's worse?
Speaker 5 (13:24):
Serious questions, serious question We we talked about this last
week a little bit. Yeah, but when we talk.
Speaker 3 (13:34):
About like when you were like, yeah, man, I went
to three Pro Bowls, It's like when you went to Pro.
Speaker 4 (13:37):
Bowl, it mattered. Not only did it matter, it was
like this badge of dude. You made it.
Speaker 5 (13:43):
You made a Pro Bowl like you legit. Were one
of those dudes in the NFL. And so now when
you look at players legacies.
Speaker 3 (13:51):
And you look bad impact their legacy, well well, no doubt, no.
Speaker 5 (13:55):
Doubt impacts it. But what I'm saying is it's different though.
There's a there's an that's been drawn. Yeah, where now
when you see who guys are Pro Bowls. Right now,
we all go, all, right, well, was he really though?
Or he was like the sixth seventh alternate. And and
I'm not saying this because I was obviously never a
Pro Bowl player. I'm not saying this in any disrespectful way.
Speaker 3 (14:14):
I'm just drawing attention to the fact that there was
a line that was drawn where you started to say,
this isn't the real Pro Bowl that these guys have
made compared to what it used to be and what
it means to the past. Well, and the reason why
I say it impacts your legacy is because the Pro
Bowl was an experience that was truly connected to the season,
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like that game was connected to the season. Like it
wasn't the craziest, most competitive deal, but the experience of
Honolulu was solidified, like get across the water, especially amongst
the players, get across that water you want. That was
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the ultimate exclamation point for because most of us play
on teams that aren't going to be competing to play
in the Super Bowl. And and for what it's worth,
even if you went far into the playoffs, it still
was a great consolation prize. Is that, if I said
it right, consolation prize for losing in the playoffs, you know.
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So once you got to like one like the Brett
Farbes and those guys, once you got to like six
seven Pro Bowls, they were declining to come.
Speaker 4 (15:27):
But with that being.
Speaker 3 (15:28):
Said, for the most part, everybody came to the Pro
Bowl because it represented status. Like like you said, I'm
a pro bowler. Back then that the impact of it
was different. You walk into a locker room, he's a
pro bowler, you know, and really you said it more
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than you said all pro, which I think all pro
always has held more it should hold more weight, but
pro bowler was right on par I think now it
looking at how that like you're putting on like he
Man gloves and so do.
Speaker 5 (16:09):
You feel like because it's impacted negatively your legacy?
Speaker 4 (16:13):
You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 3 (16:15):
I think I think what it does is it devalues
what the Pro Bowl represents so much that the conversation
of it alone kind of diminishes.
Speaker 4 (16:26):
It's like, okay, the Pro Bowl, you know what I mean.
I mean, like you're not getting into talking.
Speaker 3 (16:31):
About the history of it or who played in it
and who was a part of it. Especially now with
these new generations of people, they don't invest the time
to knowing the history of these things. So I think
it's a big miss on on the NFL's part because
you've now created a spectacle that's more going to be
looked at as the spectacle more than like more than
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the value the total value of this is because of
the way these guys perform that they're being rewarded this.
Speaker 2 (17:01):
We talk about the NBA with their gimmicky ideas they
come up with the NCIMI, the ten minute quarters. Adam
Silver didter didn't throw out there on the damn this
is right on par with that. Like the Pro Bowl sucks.
I didn't even know when it was. I didn't know
if it was Saturday or Sunday. But I'm seeing like
guys jumping into like a foam box, like with like
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foam throwing, you know, holped smash. It's such a ball
out of a jug. Here's what understand because I take
a ball.
Speaker 4 (17:33):
Into holes like that was actually the most entertaining. I
just it's just why they shot.
Speaker 2 (17:38):
They showed a there was a Pro Bowl on that
I was that I saw from the early two thousands
when Drew Brees was with the Chargers still and look
it wasn't full contact obviously, and guys were laying up
a little bit, but at least it was a presentable
but it was like a presentable product. Yeah, this is
not like nobody cares about this crack. So I'm just
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wondering at this point, what is the point?
Speaker 3 (18:03):
I just thought it really like I thought it to
be really cool to see the best of the best
out there on the field together. Like the fact that
I was in a Pro Bowl with Keith Brookins, with
Brian Urlacker, with Julian Peterson and we're all on the
same line back and corps and we get to look
across and line of like we were just be just
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at the Buckets Award. I was with Dana Howard and
Kevin Kevin Hardy. I was like, Kevin, I was like, bro,
could you imagine us being in our primes playing on
the same field together. Like it's the same idea of it.
Like I'm looking in front of me and I'm seeing
the best of the best football players in front of me.
Chris Jenkins is there, John Randall, you know you got
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these amazing football players that simme and Rice, And it's
like you get an opportunity as a player not just
as the fans like, which for the fans you to
assume that that's pretty dope too, because it's like if
I could play a video game, because yeah, I think
back then you didn't have video games that would really
allow you to simulate and build your roster the.
Speaker 4 (19:10):
Way that you did.
Speaker 3 (19:11):
You had to play it the way it was, but
it is what football is now. You can build your roster.
So now you're looking at a Pro Bowl and it's
like you got ray Lewis and ta Keyo Spikes and
and and Willie McGinnis and these these guys are all
on the field at the same time. That's wild, man,
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that's wild to like fathom that, Like, I don't care
if you guys, and we did tackle, right, we did.
We like dudes weren't out there trying to hurt guys
or anything like. It wasn't like a real like like
real real like we're playing for super Bowl type type
of of level.
Speaker 4 (19:48):
But we wanted the money. Did anybody ever get hurt? Like,
I don't.
Speaker 3 (19:53):
Recall anybody because the only one Tyler I forgot hurt,
right did he?
Speaker 4 (19:57):
I thought he got hurt? Was it Robert Edwards who
got hurt?
Speaker 2 (20:00):
In the sand pit.
Speaker 4 (20:01):
Yeah, yeah, I mean ruined his career.
Speaker 3 (20:03):
Yeah, I mean, I'll say this, have there probably been injuries.
Of course, there's probably been injuries, But I'm just saying,
guys wanted to win the game because you would get
you get you got an amount to come play in
the game, and then you got it. It doubled. It
was doubled if you won the game. So you could
see from from first half to second half. You could
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see the intensity level go up in the second half,
like we're trying to win this god damn game. Like
you start thinking about how many people you brought to
the game, the tickets, the how much you're paying for food,
who you brought to the game, how many of who's
you brought to the game, what they're doing.
Speaker 4 (20:45):
Had a freak ankle injury. Oh jeez.
Speaker 3 (20:47):
Yeah, I just want to pay you want to pay
them bills off?
Speaker 4 (20:51):
Man, I remember.
Speaker 5 (20:52):
I mean the reality is the contracts have gotten so
big now that it's it's not worth it.
Speaker 3 (20:57):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (20:57):
I probably have to, honestly, like what the NFL would
have to do increase the monetary value for the winners
and what they're being paid to go and then get
everyone an insurance policy for that one game that that
would be literally how you'd have to go about doing
it and then bring back hitting, bring back some sort
of competition. But but but even then, I guess my
question is, and you kind of brought this up with
Drake May making it as a quarterback.
Speaker 4 (21:19):
Like if he's playing it, does that really change anything?
Speaker 5 (21:22):
Because that's the reality is once they came to Orlando
and they kind of tried to figure out how they're
going to do this.
Speaker 4 (21:28):
It's lost all its luster. I mean, I'm much Jonas.
Take it back to Hawaii, Yes, take it.
Speaker 3 (21:33):
Back to whit I would venture to say this, like
the fact that some of these guys were named to
the Pro Bowl.
Speaker 4 (21:41):
The Pro Bowl is a lot.
Speaker 3 (21:42):
Like the Hall of Fame, and in some regards, like
you have to deserve to be there, because if you
go there and you're not supposed to be there, you
almost feel like you're out of like you're not you're
not in, you're not in, like you're here, but you
shouldn't be here, Like they'll look at you that way.
You know, if if we were in Hawaii and Drake
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May came walking up to the bar, everybody'd be like
this and I mean, make no bones about looking at
him uncomfortably staring at him, and then he go, hey guys,
hey guys, yeah, yeah, I'll think another my time we
start talking. I mean, and that's why it was like
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the whole alternate thing. Unless you were like a guy
guy like a guy that was.
Speaker 4 (22:33):
Coming as an alternate. You come as an alternate.
Speaker 3 (22:36):
It's like, yeah, he should have been a first, like
he should have been that guy anyway. But if like
a guy like Drake May is like why are you here?
If a guy like that was there, they made you
feel like.
Speaker 4 (22:46):
Yes or no.
Speaker 2 (22:46):
Lincoln Kennedy told me this that at the Pro Bowl.
I asked him. I was like, so, how's the scene there?
He goes, you see the first two rows behind the bench.
Speaker 3 (22:56):
I met, I met God. It was an amazing experience.
It was an amazing time in your life. And to
be a part of the game. You were like the
main attraction of the week. So when you went out,
like because we stayed and look at it, it's like
the where we stayed was the place where you stayed.
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That that was the most important person, your girlfriend or
your wife, that's where your kids are, this and that
and then waki Key.
Speaker 4 (23:26):
So you had a room.
Speaker 3 (23:27):
Look, I'm stitching, but and we don't do it anymore,
so it doesn't matter. You had your your space and
your home front at at the Eilani and then you
went to waiki Ki and that was you had your
room and that was.
Speaker 4 (23:39):
Your jump off, your practice there you had that you had,
like I do. I do appreciate you using the friends
jump off. You had you jump off.
Speaker 5 (23:45):
I have heard jump off used in probably six different ways.
Speaker 4 (23:49):
It's been used as if an aerial disease.
Speaker 3 (23:51):
Oh wow, I've never heard the jump Probably it probably was,
probably was involved. I've heard it used in that concept
that was probably hotel and all that or you know,
that was probably involved.
Speaker 4 (24:04):
So I wouldn't say that jump off is.
Speaker 3 (24:07):
Off on on that terminology because there was a whole
lot of jump off material in Wacky Key.
Speaker 4 (24:13):
That's awesome.
Speaker 1 (24:16):
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Speaker 2 (24:27):
You knew that this was going to happen, because of
course it was going to happen. Remember on Friday, we
were talking about. I got what that guy guy he
kicks for the Ravens, what's his name.
Speaker 4 (24:39):
Don't do it.
Speaker 2 (24:39):
Don't do it. What you're gonna do it? Dang, I'm
not gonna do it. I mean, justin Tuck, Tucker yeah, Tucker, Yeah, dang,
it's not two g's in the middle of the last name,
all right.
Speaker 4 (24:51):
Tug, Yeah, it's not.
Speaker 2 (24:52):
It's definitely not that. Just so at the time there
was there was a six accusations that we're out there
six accusers.
Speaker 4 (25:03):
Now we're up to ten.
Speaker 2 (25:06):
You know, like this is very similar to what we've
seen with Deshaun Watson. I mean he's not at you know,
the eighty or one hundred or whatever it was at
this point yet. But just the fact that we're even
having the discussion, I'll just say, like, I know, innocent
until proven guilty, I one percent believe it. There's way
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too much smoke here to not think that there's something
going on there. And as somebody put it best to me,
they said, do you know how hard it is to
get kicked out of a salon or a spa in
Baltimore when you're an athlete, a like when you're a
raven like how hard that is to do.
Speaker 4 (25:48):
It's preposterous. I don't know. I don't have any frame
of reference for that, but.
Speaker 2 (25:53):
Just the idea that so I see this happen and
it's like six, Now it's a ten. It's it's the
same thing we saw.
Speaker 3 (26:02):
Let me tell you someone, it's that many people. It's
just the fact that it's a conversation to beginning with
makes it all the way bad. Like it's just like
one person. It's like, come on, like, let's let's be
clear here. This thing is totally could be based off
of interpretation, your interpretation of what you thought or felt
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was inappropriate and not correct versus what I felt was
you know nothing at all in the moment, but when
you had multitudes of people who are coming and they
are saying it, I just think that you were doing
something that the others heard about when they saw this
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and could relate to them. Was like, you know, I
might have been questioning myself after I had that session
with this person, and now I heard that they they
confirmed like now I'm like, yeah, that it happened, and
that's how I felt, and that's exactly what happened. And
they tried to convince me that it wasn't what That's
the first thing that comes to my mind. And again
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maybe I'm a tabit biased because I have daughters and
I don't want to just look at it from a
singular lens of saying as a as an athlete, as
a player, it's like everybody wants to be with us.
We get to deal with who we want to deal with,
and it should be an honor that you get to
add to your resume that you worked on a future
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Hall of Fame kicker.
Speaker 4 (27:32):
So deal with it.
Speaker 3 (27:33):
Like some people really don't understand that it's a privilege
to play in the league and you should represent not
only the league, but you should represent yourself and your
family in a manner where you don't find yourself in
situations like these. And I think that that ultimately has
to be how we should be looking at it, regardless
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of if it comes back that he didn't do it
or whatever it may be.
Speaker 4 (27:59):
It's a bad look, well it's a bad look.
Speaker 5 (28:03):
There could be a quick settlement, and I think if
there is a quick settlement with however, you know, many
end up becoming the final number that could get in.
Speaker 4 (28:11):
The way of the NFL's investigation.
Speaker 5 (28:13):
You know, one of the things that went on forever
was the lack of a settlement in the Deshaun Watson situation,
which allowed the NFL to have a lot more information
and build a case to then.
Speaker 4 (28:23):
Suspend him for eleven games.
Speaker 5 (28:25):
Now, I would go as far as saying, to your point,
what's interesting to me about it is if the NFL,
which as you, when you get indoctrinated into.
Speaker 4 (28:33):
The NFL, it's talk about protecting the shield.
Speaker 5 (28:36):
This is an instance where like you'd think they'd be
even harder, but they're not.
Speaker 4 (28:40):
So I'm with you. It looks like there's too much
smoke to not think that.
Speaker 5 (28:45):
There's fire there, and there's a lot of things that
probably were going on with it. Tony Buzby's name's not
connected with this, right, I don't believe so, which I
almost wonder if some of the women, when they were
thinking about filing this didn't want his name to be attached,
because with that comes this idea that, well, this is
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what this guy does, and you know, we don't know
even though obviously he was able to get a settlement
done and obviously the the plaintiffs were able to make
some money off of you know that particular case with Watson,
I wonder if there's almost like a negative connotation or
or something attached to Buzzby being involved, even though he's
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done a good job for a lot of those victims.
Speaker 3 (29:30):
I'll let you know the late the latest thing Buzzby
was connected to that there was something that came out,
not another one ago that that he was connected to.
Speaker 4 (29:39):
But he's not connected to this one, which I haven't
heard his name. You usually usually when you.
Speaker 3 (29:43):
Like usually when you have a big case like Watson's,
that everyone goes to them, like everyone's like.
Speaker 4 (29:48):
All right, class action, class action a lot.
Speaker 3 (29:51):
Right, And in essence, it's just more of the reputation
of hey, he won the settlement.
Speaker 4 (29:56):
He's the guy you go to for this sort of thing.
Speaker 2 (29:58):
Yeah, the whole thing, like this is the part that
like with the deshall like, if you're a defender of
Deshaun Watson, all right, the best you get away with is,
first of all, it wasn't sixty Oh you're right, it
was fifteen. Oh my bad, Like they were only fifteen
a cure okay, sorry, So justin Tucker, it's like, well
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like no, no, no, she's okay, how about this. We'll
cut you a deal. We'll take half off, only five
this time. It's dude, you got a problem, Like I
just I don't know. I don't know how this ends
well for Justin Tucker.
Speaker 4 (30:37):
I really don't.
Speaker 3 (30:37):
I'm just really gonna be like I'm gonna be blatantly
and boldly honest.
Speaker 4 (30:42):
Here.
Speaker 3 (30:44):
You are paying for a service when you go to
these massage, like for Tucker a spa, which I would
assume is a pretty decent amount that you're paying maybe
like you know, five six hundred to one thousand dollars.
Really maybe if you're going into like a spall like
a nice nice it's like a nice when we look
this up anything, because if you think about it, they
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probably had plunge your plunge pools. They probably have like
you know, zen rooms and you know steam area. That's
that's what your imagine needle shower. Like Jonas was painting
out like the red light, trying to I'm trying to
look at it from a critical eye and say, Okay,
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in the Deshaun Watson situation, you're hearing about people that
weren't even Yeah, so this turned into which, by the way,
it's still going to play in the my final.
Speaker 2 (31:38):
One was an esthetician like this, Yeah, you were in
the vicinity of a messuse. So that's fine, that'll work.
Speaker 4 (31:43):
These people.
Speaker 3 (31:44):
Here, here's the here's the boldness and maybe brash brashness
of what I'm saying. If that's what you're using to
satisfy yourself and your own personal proclivities and your needs
and your once you ended up playing, how much do
we think that Deshaun Watson ended up paying.
Speaker 4 (32:03):
How much do we think millions.
Speaker 3 (32:05):
He's gonna, uh Tucker's gonna end up paying in these settlements.
Speaker 2 (32:08):
For each session?
Speaker 4 (32:09):
Why would you? Why would you not?
Speaker 3 (32:11):
You know how many hired hands you could get for
a tenth of what you're going to pay in settlement
money by just hiring somebody.
Speaker 4 (32:20):
That's actually what they do.
Is the best of two pros and a couple Joe
with lamar As rating win and Jonas Knox on radio.
Speaker 2 (00:13):
What the f with the Dallas Mavericks thinking trading Luka
Dancic over the weekend? I don't get it. I don't understand.
Speaker 3 (00:22):
Now, you know that's a big story because well we're
talking about it.
Speaker 4 (00:27):
That's super weago. So they pulled a fast Okay, hold on,
real quick pause there for a second, though.
Speaker 5 (00:35):
Is the NFL fan base or just people in general,
a little bit tired of the Kansas City Chiefs the
same repetitive story slash a matchup that we saw a
couple of years ago.
Speaker 3 (00:46):
It might be there might be Kansas City fatigue, but
you know, if that's what it is, then that's like
crazy over entitlement because you're why would you not want
to be a part of history. Like there's certain things
like you saw somebody do something. You saw Bruce Jenner,
you know, formerly known as Bruce Jenner, you know, formerly
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known do some crazy things in the Olympics, or you know,
you saw Michael Jordan he transitioned to another life. You know,
he's no longer with us. I mean I think that
I think.
Speaker 4 (01:27):
That's accurate, and he can't change back, right. You know,
I just don't know that I'll respond to it.
Speaker 3 (01:38):
I don't know, But what I will say is, you
see historical feats take place. Why in the moment do
we not enjoy and reverence the idea that, oh, Tom
Brady's having a career year and could possibly get another
Super Bowl that makes him the most winning his quarterback
of Super Bowls, or you know this guy, you had
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this man the yards in the game or passing yard,
whatever it is. There probably is fatigue for Patrick Mahomes
and his Chiefs team. But people, it's history right there,
and it's it's really something that's that's sensible to think
it's plausible to think that they could win this game
and be the only team to.
Speaker 4 (02:20):
Win it three times.
Speaker 2 (02:20):
I mean, Patrick Mahomes is a Dallas Mavericks fan for.
Speaker 4 (02:23):
What it's worth, Yeah, he is. So he beside himself
with trade. I just wow.
Speaker 2 (02:27):
So here's here's the part that I struggle with, because, look,
Anthony Davis gonna be a Hall of Famer, great player,
He's not twenty five in his prime and one of
the best talents on the planets, one of the best
players on the planet.
Speaker 4 (02:43):
He's thirty one and by the way, he's never played
a full season.
Speaker 2 (02:45):
Yeah, and so so something doesn't smell right. Something just
seems off, because why would you not if you're if
you were intending on trading Luca, why would you not
at least shop around to see if you could get
a better deal. I mean, the Miami Heater trying to
download Jimmy Butler Deerreon Hupping Fox just got traded, but
he was on the mark, Like why not shop around
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see what you can get? And if not that, why
not get the other first round pick from the Lakers?
Like you could have gotten that too. So either then
this is the only thing I've come up with. Either
the Dallas Mavericks know something we don't.
Speaker 4 (03:23):
Know about Luca.
Speaker 2 (03:25):
About Luca, he's damage goods, there's a problem. There's something
else coming up that that that we're not familiar with
until or the people that made the call there are
just idiots like I cause I can't figure out.
Speaker 3 (03:38):
I mean, does one have to be falls for the
Can I play out my my conspiracy theory?
Speaker 4 (03:45):
Can we get.
Speaker 3 (03:45):
Mistery and we get it? Can we get Robert Stack
right now? With the smoke billowing out in the alley.
Speaker 6 (03:53):
Let's get it a story about three men doing a
radio show which on the air at this point, and
the only one sitting on milk crate.
Speaker 4 (04:04):
At this point. How many more years does Lebron have? One?
Two to three, two to three games? Two to three?
You really do think he has? Oh, oh, not games?
How many? How many more do you think he has?
I think that this would be it two minutes if.
Speaker 5 (04:26):
They win an NBA finals And and here's the reality
is I think the one fifth right now in the West,
they're leading the Pacific Division, and he's already he already
got his son on the team.
Speaker 4 (04:35):
He's gone through that. It's a great call.
Speaker 3 (04:38):
The I think this is all in a move by
the NBA, the powers that be to allow one of
the greatest of all time to leave sail off into
the sunset in a way that he that he would
appreciate too.
Speaker 4 (04:56):
It's a great pool, I mean, because here's the one thing.
Speaker 3 (04:59):
I'll say, you look at how much closer they should
be with the addition of Luca, who's done nothing but
elevate the Dallas Mavericks since he got there.
Speaker 5 (05:06):
One Rookie of the Year then they started going to
the playoffs. I think they've missed it once maybe in
the past five years. Last obviously lost the finals. This
to me allows a guy who had his age. Even
though Lebron's playing at a high level most nights, it
allows him to not have to put in the minutes
and have that wingman who can legitimately take over to
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put a team on his back and go win a championship.
Speaker 4 (05:29):
He wants to do that in Dallas.
Speaker 2 (05:30):
I mean, defensively, they're going to be a sieve because
he doesn't he doesn't stop it, and he's not interested.
Speaker 4 (05:37):
He just say.
Speaker 3 (05:39):
Well, that's what they tried to use as as their
reasoning for letting them go is they just got to
the point where they were unhappy condition and all that stuff,
and and and listen, if conditioning we're good on on
stack now we we because I will say the conspiracy
theory is solid. That's super solid, like what you came up.
(06:01):
Ratings are down, just they need some music. Definitely can go.
Speaker 2 (06:05):
And by the way, it could definitely go. Anybody that
thinks that that him being in la isn't better than
him being in Dallas, you're just not paying attention. So yeah,
that would play into that that it's a better and
also it's the transition for the Lakers after Labron once
he walks away, now they've got their next next.
Speaker 4 (06:27):
There you go.
Speaker 3 (06:28):
I don't understand though, We're talked about the Dallas standpoint,
which doesn't make any sense if you're Mark Cuban.
Speaker 4 (06:34):
And I think Mark Cuban's a smart guy.
Speaker 5 (06:35):
He's he's obviously very outspoken in a lot of different ways,
and and some people might question some of what he says,
but the truth is he's a smart guy. I don't
know how you're the owner of the Dallas Mavericks and
this is this is what you turn a twenty five
year old Luka Doncic who's in the prime of his
career into Anthony Davis, Max Christie and a twenty twenty
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nine Lakers first round pick. Now, mind you, the Nets
traded Kevin Durant, and this is what that trade netted
them at this current point in time, Cam Johnson, nice
Zire Williams, a twenty twenty three Phoenix first round pick,
a twenty twenty five Phoenix first round pick, a twenty
twenty five New York Knicks first round pick, a twenty
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twenty five Milwaukee first round pick, a twenty twenty seven
Phoenix first round pick, a twenty twenty seven New York
Knicks first round pick, twenty twenty eight Phoenix first round swap,
twenty twenty eight New York Knicks first round swap, a
twenty twenty nine Phoenix first round pick, a twenty twenty
nine Knicks first round pick, a twenty thirty one New
York Knicks first round pick, a twenty twenty five Brooklyn
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Nets second round pick, a twenty twenty eight Milwaukee second
round pick, a twenty nine Milwaukee second round pick, and
a twenty thirty Dallas second round pick.
Speaker 4 (07:51):
Did you even keep up with all that? Dang?
Speaker 3 (07:53):
So that's what the Nets were able to ultimately roll
the Durant trade into. And this is where we sit
there with I don't know how Dallas is going to
make this trade any better with what they brought on
at this.
Speaker 2 (08:04):
And also like the idea of shopping him around, like well,
you know, maybe they wanted to do it in the shadows.
Speaker 3 (08:09):
And not and that's what and that's really what and
they talked about that, right and.
Speaker 2 (08:13):
That okay, but like are you worried about in this
day and age, people finding out of that stuff or
are you or are you worried about, Hey, what what
can we get that's going to be the best deal
in return? Like everybody knows Jimmy Butler's on the trade block,
everybody knew Dearon Fox is on the trade block. But
still you're going to get better offers that are out there.
Teams are going to come to the table and go, oh,
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you're thinking about trading Luca. Let's have a conversation.
Speaker 3 (08:37):
Let's be clear here though, If Anthony Davis is healthy
and on the court, he is literally top three players
in the league. I'll get healthy top three player, what
top three top three players in the league and his
versatility and what he brings to the table. If they
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feel like Dallas is that close and they don't necessarily
maybe based upon Kyrie's ability to facilitate in the offense
the shooting and the scoring that they have and and
some other you know, positions on the court, that that
download presence, that swingman, presence of having Anthony Davis and
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how he plays versus the style of Luca. If they
feel as though that that's less of a liability based
upon some of the things that they've said about Luca,
they could push themselves over the top.
Speaker 4 (09:35):
With Anthony Davis.
Speaker 2 (09:37):
Being on that team, There's there's just gotta be something
else going on.
Speaker 4 (09:40):
I mean, listen, I like I like huge.
Speaker 3 (09:43):
I like reasoning, but let's not act as though Anthony
Davis isn't of the caliber of player where Jason Kidd
doesn't get an opportunity for his team Kyrie Kyrie and
and Anthony Davis.
Speaker 4 (09:58):
Yeah, he didn't even know. He didn't even know. He
coached them though, the bubble boy when they wanted, when
they wanted. He knows his gamut.
Speaker 5 (10:04):
I would just say that, which is odd though, why
you would then keep Jason Kid in the dark.
Speaker 4 (10:09):
You would think that a guy that he's.
Speaker 5 (10:11):
Coached, a guy that he knows how he could fit
with in his system, and obviously his injury history too,
that you would bring him in on this decision.
Speaker 3 (10:20):
Jason looked like Mike Tyson when Robin Gibbons was on
that interview that Jay can't was sitting there. He'll talk
about Jason didn't even know. They didn't even know what
we were doing, Jason. But you off your in beds uh.
By the way, I'm just glad that the NBA could
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not could pull off a deal like this without Lebron
James knowing. I mean, he was just having a nice
sh his family had no idea.
Speaker 4 (10:51):
This was gonna happen. That seems Yeah, that's just seems
about right.
Speaker 2 (10:55):
It just like the whole thing. That's the problem is
that you don't know who to believe in that because
so many people are full of crap. And listen, there's
people full of crap all the time. But the idea
that the organization drafted his son when nobody was going
to draft his.
Speaker 4 (11:10):
Hired JJ Reddick as the head coach.
Speaker 2 (11:13):
It's but this one, I was after dinner New York.
Speaker 4 (11:18):
What happened? Okay, dude, Like I mean, and we haven't
said this yet.
Speaker 3 (11:22):
It does make the Lakers look like they're brilliant though,
I mean, you got to throw it out in there.
The Lake Show brings LUKA DONC to their to their organizations.
Speaker 2 (11:34):
I mean, and it's also nice.
Speaker 4 (11:35):
I mean, that is epic. It's not the.
Speaker 2 (11:37):
First time that there's been a deal involving the Lakers
in which you looked at and go, wow, they really
won that deal.
Speaker 3 (11:45):
Kareem Kareem's like, but this is on Kareem level.
Speaker 2 (11:50):
Laker fans will bitch and moan about Chris Paul all
they want, Like, you've now got three trades that are
so lopsided. Nobody people thought Sean Sharani hacked. They thought, okay,
somebody got I saw.
Speaker 3 (12:03):
I saw it while I was in the airport, and
almost basically like spit my my coffee out. It was
a long Allan, I was just gonna say though, it
was a long.
Speaker 4 (12:16):
Yeah, it was. It was a long.
Speaker 3 (12:17):
I spied up what like is this like what like
I's to go on my phone looking at my phone
like like is this real? I didn't think it was real.
I thought it was I thought it was a scam
or or like a spoof or something. It's not April
on the point though, of Lebron not knowing who's uh.
Speaker 4 (12:35):
How you pronounce whatever, who's your repie Clutch Sports, Oh,
I didn't.
Speaker 2 (12:41):
Know that it's Sham's Sports, So I didn't know that.
Speaker 4 (12:43):
Wow, that's good. And then and then obviously that's Lebron's agency.
Yeah you know, yeah, it's it's people. So it's like
it's not like this was a secret to Lebron. Jameson's family.
He knew what was happening by the scene.
Speaker 1 (12:57):
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Speaker 2 (13:10):
LeVar, sorry for your loss. Just want to get that
out of the way. Uh, because the Pro Bowl you knew?
Speaker 4 (13:16):
Oh dead man? Okay, can I ask this? That's worse
than That's worse?
Speaker 5 (13:24):
Serious questions, serious question We we talked about this last
week a little bit. Yeah, but when we talk.
Speaker 3 (13:34):
About like when you were like, yeah, man, I went
to three Pro Bowls, It's like when you went to Pro.
Speaker 4 (13:37):
Bowl, it mattered. Not only did it matter, it was
like this badge of dude. You made it.
Speaker 5 (13:43):
You made a Pro Bowl like you legit. Were one
of those dudes in the NFL. And so now when
you look at players legacies.
Speaker 3 (13:51):
And you look bad impact their legacy, well well, no doubt, no.
Speaker 5 (13:55):
Doubt impacts it. But what I'm saying is it's different though.
There's a there's an that's been drawn. Yeah, where now
when you see who guys are Pro Bowls. Right now,
we all go, all, right, well, was he really though?
Or he was like the sixth seventh alternate. And and
I'm not saying this because I was obviously never a
Pro Bowl player. I'm not saying this in any disrespectful way.
Speaker 3 (14:14):
I'm just drawing attention to the fact that there was
a line that was drawn where you started to say,
this isn't the real Pro Bowl that these guys have
made compared to what it used to be and what
it means to the past. Well, and the reason why
I say it impacts your legacy is because the Pro
Bowl was an experience that was truly connected to the season,
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like that game was connected to the season. Like it
wasn't the craziest, most competitive deal, but the experience of
Honolulu was solidified, like get across the water, especially amongst
the players, get across that water you want. That was
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the ultimate exclamation point for because most of us play
on teams that aren't going to be competing to play
in the Super Bowl. And and for what it's worth,
even if you went far into the playoffs, it still
was a great consolation prize. Is that, if I said
it right, consolation prize for losing in the playoffs, you know.
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So once you got to like one like the Brett
Farbes and those guys, once you got to like six
seven Pro Bowls, they were declining to come.
Speaker 4 (15:27):
But with that being.
Speaker 3 (15:28):
Said, for the most part, everybody came to the Pro
Bowl because it represented status. Like like you said, I'm
a pro bowler. Back then that the impact of it
was different. You walk into a locker room, he's a
pro bowler, you know, and really you said it more
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than you said all pro, which I think all pro
always has held more it should hold more weight, but
pro bowler was right on par I think now it
looking at how that like you're putting on like he
Man gloves and so do.
Speaker 5 (16:09):
You feel like because it's impacted negatively your legacy?
Speaker 4 (16:13):
You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 3 (16:15):
I think I think what it does is it devalues
what the Pro Bowl represents so much that the conversation
of it alone kind of diminishes.
Speaker 4 (16:26):
It's like, okay, the Pro Bowl, you know what I mean.
I mean, like you're not getting into talking.
Speaker 3 (16:31):
About the history of it or who played in it
and who was a part of it. Especially now with
these new generations of people, they don't invest the time
to knowing the history of these things. So I think
it's a big miss on on the NFL's part because
you've now created a spectacle that's more going to be
looked at as the spectacle more than like more than
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the value the total value of this is because of
the way these guys perform that they're being rewarded this.
Speaker 2 (17:01):
We talk about the NBA with their gimmicky ideas they
come up with the NCIMI, the ten minute quarters. Adam
Silver didter didn't throw out there on the damn this
is right on par with that. Like the Pro Bowl sucks.
I didn't even know when it was. I didn't know
if it was Saturday or Sunday. But I'm seeing like
guys jumping into like a foam box, like with like
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foam throwing, you know, holped smash. It's such a ball
out of a jug. Here's what understand because I take
a ball.
Speaker 4 (17:33):
Into holes like that was actually the most entertaining. I
just it's just why they shot.
Speaker 2 (17:38):
They showed a there was a Pro Bowl on that
I was that I saw from the early two thousands
when Drew Brees was with the Chargers still and look
it wasn't full contact obviously, and guys were laying up
a little bit, but at least it was a presentable
but it was like a presentable product. Yeah, this is
not like nobody cares about this crack. So I'm just
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wondering at this point, what is the point?
Speaker 3 (18:03):
I just thought it really like I thought it to
be really cool to see the best of the best
out there on the field together. Like the fact that
I was in a Pro Bowl with Keith Brookins, with
Brian Urlacker, with Julian Peterson and we're all on the
same line back and corps and we get to look
across and line of like we were just be just
(18:27):
at the Buckets Award. I was with Dana Howard and
Kevin Kevin Hardy. I was like, Kevin, I was like, bro,
could you imagine us being in our primes playing on
the same field together. Like it's the same idea of it.
Like I'm looking in front of me and I'm seeing
the best of the best football players in front of me.
Chris Jenkins is there, John Randall, you know you got
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these amazing football players that simme and Rice, And it's
like you get an opportunity as a player not just
as the fans like, which for the fans you to
assume that that's pretty dope too, because it's like if
I could play a video game, because yeah, I think
back then you didn't have video games that would really
allow you to simulate and build your roster the.
Speaker 4 (19:10):
Way that you did.
Speaker 3 (19:11):
You had to play it the way it was, but
it is what football is now. You can build your roster.
So now you're looking at a Pro Bowl and it's
like you got ray Lewis and ta Keyo Spikes and
and and Willie McGinnis and these these guys are all
on the field at the same time. That's wild, man,
(19:32):
that's wild to like fathom that, Like, I don't care
if you guys, and we did tackle, right, we did.
We like dudes weren't out there trying to hurt guys
or anything like. It wasn't like a real like like
real real like we're playing for super Bowl type type
of of level.
Speaker 4 (19:48):
But we wanted the money. Did anybody ever get hurt? Like,
I don't.
Speaker 3 (19:53):
Recall anybody because the only one Tyler I forgot hurt,
right did he?
Speaker 4 (19:57):
I thought he got hurt? Was it Robert Edwards who
got hurt?
Speaker 2 (20:00):
In the sand pit.
Speaker 4 (20:01):
Yeah, yeah, I mean ruined his career.
Speaker 3 (20:03):
Yeah, I mean, I'll say this, have there probably been injuries.
Of course, there's probably been injuries, But I'm just saying,
guys wanted to win the game because you would get
you get you got an amount to come play in
the game, and then you got it. It doubled. It
was doubled if you won the game. So you could
see from from first half to second half. You could
(20:26):
see the intensity level go up in the second half,
like we're trying to win this god damn game. Like
you start thinking about how many people you brought to
the game, the tickets, the how much you're paying for food,
who you brought to the game, how many of who's
you brought to the game, what they're doing.
Speaker 4 (20:45):
Had a freak ankle injury. Oh jeez.
Speaker 3 (20:47):
Yeah, I just want to pay you want to pay
them bills off?
Speaker 4 (20:51):
Man, I remember.
Speaker 5 (20:52):
I mean the reality is the contracts have gotten so
big now that it's it's not worth it.
Speaker 3 (20:57):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (20:57):
I probably have to, honestly, like what the NFL would
have to do increase the monetary value for the winners
and what they're being paid to go and then get
everyone an insurance policy for that one game that that
would be literally how you'd have to go about doing
it and then bring back hitting, bring back some sort
of competition. But but but even then, I guess my
question is, and you kind of brought this up with
Drake May making it as a quarterback.
Speaker 4 (21:19):
Like if he's playing it, does that really change anything?
Speaker 5 (21:22):
Because that's the reality is once they came to Orlando
and they kind of tried to figure out how they're
going to do this.
Speaker 4 (21:28):
It's lost all its luster. I mean, I'm much Jonas.
Take it back to Hawaii, Yes, take it.
Speaker 3 (21:33):
Back to whit I would venture to say this, like
the fact that some of these guys were named to
the Pro Bowl.
Speaker 4 (21:41):
The Pro Bowl is a lot.
Speaker 3 (21:42):
Like the Hall of Fame, and in some regards, like
you have to deserve to be there, because if you
go there and you're not supposed to be there, you
almost feel like you're out of like you're not you're
not in, you're not in, like you're here, but you
shouldn't be here, Like they'll look at you that way.
You know, if if we were in Hawaii and Drake
(22:04):
May came walking up to the bar, everybody'd be like
this and I mean, make no bones about looking at
him uncomfortably staring at him, and then he go, hey guys,
hey guys, yeah, yeah, I'll think another my time we
start talking. I mean, and that's why it was like
(22:28):
the whole alternate thing. Unless you were like a guy
guy like a guy that was.
Speaker 4 (22:33):
Coming as an alternate. You come as an alternate.
Speaker 3 (22:36):
It's like, yeah, he should have been a first, like
he should have been that guy anyway. But if like
a guy like Drake May is like why are you here?
If a guy like that was there, they made you
feel like.
Speaker 4 (22:46):
Yes or no.
Speaker 2 (22:46):
Lincoln Kennedy told me this that at the Pro Bowl.
I asked him. I was like, so, how's the scene there?
He goes, you see the first two rows behind the bench.
Speaker 3 (22:56):
I met, I met God. It was an amazing experience.
It was an amazing time in your life. And to
be a part of the game. You were like the
main attraction of the week. So when you went out,
like because we stayed and look at it, it's like
the where we stayed was the place where you stayed.
(23:19):
That that was the most important person, your girlfriend or
your wife, that's where your kids are, this and that
and then waki Key.
Speaker 4 (23:26):
So you had a room.
Speaker 3 (23:27):
Look, I'm stitching, but and we don't do it anymore,
so it doesn't matter. You had your your space and
your home front at at the Eilani and then you
went to waiki Ki and that was you had your
room and that was.
Speaker 4 (23:39):
Your jump off, your practice there you had that you had,
like I do. I do appreciate you using the friends
jump off. You had you jump off.
Speaker 5 (23:45):
I have heard jump off used in probably six different ways.
Speaker 4 (23:49):
It's been used as if an aerial disease.
Speaker 3 (23:51):
Oh wow, I've never heard the jump Probably it probably was,
probably was involved. I've heard it used in that concept
that was probably hotel and all that or you know,
that was probably involved.
Speaker 4 (24:04):
So I wouldn't say that jump off is.
Speaker 3 (24:07):
Off on on that terminology because there was a whole
lot of jump off material in Wacky Key.
Speaker 4 (24:13):
That's awesome.
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Speaker 2 (24:27):
You knew that this was going to happen, because of
course it was going to happen. Remember on Friday, we
were talking about. I got what that guy guy he
kicks for the Ravens, what's his name.
Speaker 4 (24:39):
Don't do it.
Speaker 2 (24:39):
Don't do it. What you're gonna do it? Dang, I'm
not gonna do it. I mean, justin Tuck, Tucker yeah, Tucker, Yeah, dang,
it's not two g's in the middle of the last name,
all right.
Speaker 4 (24:51):
Tug, Yeah, it's not.
Speaker 2 (24:52):
It's definitely not that. Just so at the time there
was there was a six accusations that we're out there
six accusers.
Speaker 4 (25:03):
Now we're up to ten.
Speaker 2 (25:06):
You know, like this is very similar to what we've
seen with Deshaun Watson. I mean he's not at you know,
the eighty or one hundred or whatever it was at
this point yet. But just the fact that we're even
having the discussion, I'll just say, like, I know, innocent
until proven guilty, I one percent believe it. There's way
(25:26):
too much smoke here to not think that there's something
going on there. And as somebody put it best to me,
they said, do you know how hard it is to
get kicked out of a salon or a spa in
Baltimore when you're an athlete, a like when you're a
raven like how hard that is to do.
Speaker 4 (25:48):
It's preposterous. I don't know. I don't have any frame
of reference for that, but.
Speaker 2 (25:53):
Just the idea that so I see this happen and
it's like six, Now it's a ten. It's it's the
same thing we saw.
Speaker 3 (26:02):
Let me tell you someone, it's that many people. It's
just the fact that it's a conversation to beginning with
makes it all the way bad. Like it's just like
one person. It's like, come on, like, let's let's be
clear here. This thing is totally could be based off
of interpretation, your interpretation of what you thought or felt
(26:27):
was inappropriate and not correct versus what I felt was
you know nothing at all in the moment, but when
you had multitudes of people who are coming and they
are saying it, I just think that you were doing
something that the others heard about when they saw this
(26:48):
and could relate to them. Was like, you know, I
might have been questioning myself after I had that session
with this person, and now I heard that they they
confirmed like now I'm like, yeah, that it happened, and
that's how I felt, and that's exactly what happened. And
they tried to convince me that it wasn't what That's
the first thing that comes to my mind. And again
(27:09):
maybe I'm a tabit biased because I have daughters and
I don't want to just look at it from a
singular lens of saying as a as an athlete, as
a player, it's like everybody wants to be with us.
We get to deal with who we want to deal with,
and it should be an honor that you get to
add to your resume that you worked on a future
(27:31):
Hall of Fame kicker.
Speaker 4 (27:32):
So deal with it.
Speaker 3 (27:33):
Like some people really don't understand that it's a privilege
to play in the league and you should represent not
only the league, but you should represent yourself and your
family in a manner where you don't find yourself in
situations like these. And I think that that ultimately has
to be how we should be looking at it, regardless
(27:55):
of if it comes back that he didn't do it
or whatever it may be.
Speaker 4 (27:59):
It's a bad look, well it's a bad look.
Speaker 5 (28:03):
There could be a quick settlement, and I think if
there is a quick settlement with however, you know, many
end up becoming the final number that could get in.
Speaker 4 (28:11):
The way of the NFL's investigation.
Speaker 5 (28:13):
You know, one of the things that went on forever
was the lack of a settlement in the Deshaun Watson situation,
which allowed the NFL to have a lot more information
and build a case to then.
Speaker 4 (28:23):
Suspend him for eleven games.
Speaker 5 (28:25):
Now, I would go as far as saying, to your point,
what's interesting to me about it is if the NFL,
which as you, when you get indoctrinated into.
Speaker 4 (28:33):
The NFL, it's talk about protecting the shield.
Speaker 5 (28:36):
This is an instance where like you'd think they'd be
even harder, but they're not.
Speaker 4 (28:40):
So I'm with you. It looks like there's too much
smoke to not think that.
Speaker 5 (28:45):
There's fire there, and there's a lot of things that
probably were going on with it. Tony Buzby's name's not
connected with this, right, I don't believe so, which I
almost wonder if some of the women, when they were
thinking about filing this didn't want his name to be attached,
because with that comes this idea that, well, this is
(29:07):
what this guy does, and you know, we don't know
even though obviously he was able to get a settlement
done and obviously the the plaintiffs were able to make
some money off of you know that particular case with Watson,
I wonder if there's almost like a negative connotation or
or something attached to Buzzby being involved, even though he's
(29:28):
done a good job for a lot of those victims.
Speaker 3 (29:30):
I'll let you know the late the latest thing Buzzby
was connected to that there was something that came out,
not another one ago that that he was connected to.
Speaker 4 (29:39):
But he's not connected to this one, which I haven't
heard his name. You usually usually when you.
Speaker 3 (29:43):
Like usually when you have a big case like Watson's,
that everyone goes to them, like everyone's like.
Speaker 4 (29:48):
All right, class action, class action a lot.
Speaker 3 (29:51):
Right, And in essence, it's just more of the reputation
of hey, he won the settlement.
Speaker 4 (29:56):
He's the guy you go to for this sort of thing.
Speaker 2 (29:58):
Yeah, the whole thing, like this is the part that
like with the deshall like, if you're a defender of
Deshaun Watson, all right, the best you get away with is,
first of all, it wasn't sixty Oh you're right, it
was fifteen. Oh my bad, Like they were only fifteen
a cure okay, sorry, So justin Tucker, it's like, well
(30:20):
like no, no, no, she's okay, how about this. We'll
cut you a deal. We'll take half off, only five
this time. It's dude, you got a problem, Like I
just I don't know. I don't know how this ends
well for Justin Tucker.
Speaker 4 (30:37):
I really don't.
Speaker 3 (30:37):
I'm just really gonna be like I'm gonna be blatantly
and boldly honest.
Speaker 4 (30:42):
Here.
Speaker 3 (30:44):
You are paying for a service when you go to
these massage, like for Tucker a spa, which I would
assume is a pretty decent amount that you're paying maybe
like you know, five six hundred to one thousand dollars.
Really maybe if you're going into like a spall like
a nice nice it's like a nice when we look
this up anything, because if you think about it, they
(31:07):
probably had plunge your plunge pools. They probably have like
you know, zen rooms and you know steam area. That's
that's what your imagine needle shower. Like Jonas was painting
out like the red light, trying to I'm trying to
look at it from a critical eye and say, Okay,
(31:27):
in the Deshaun Watson situation, you're hearing about people that
weren't even Yeah, so this turned into which, by the way,
it's still going to play in the my final.
Speaker 2 (31:38):
One was an esthetician like this, Yeah, you were in
the vicinity of a messuse. So that's fine, that'll work.
Speaker 4 (31:43):
These people.
Speaker 3 (31:44):
Here, here's the here's the boldness and maybe brash brashness
of what I'm saying. If that's what you're using to
satisfy yourself and your own personal proclivities and your needs
and your once you ended up playing, how much do
we think that Deshaun Watson ended up paying.
Speaker 4 (32:03):
How much do we think millions.
Speaker 3 (32:05):
He's gonna, uh Tucker's gonna end up paying in these settlements.
Speaker 2 (32:08):
For each session?
Speaker 4 (32:09):
Why would you? Why would you not?
Speaker 3 (32:11):
You know how many hired hands you could get for
a tenth of what you're going to pay in settlement
money by just hiring somebody.
Speaker 4 (32:20):
That's actually what they do.
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