February 19, 2025 • 34 mins
Brian Noe is in for the guys and talks about the revelation that Deioni Sanders hasn't made any recruiting trips for Colorado, Kevin Durant saying that he doesn't care much about his legacy, NBA players acting like strippers, and more!
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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Speaker 2 (00:13):
Colorado confirmed that Dion Sanders made no recruiting trips. He
made no in home or off campus visits this offseason.
He didn't do it last year, doesn't seem like he
is going to do it this year. Coach Prime's actual
quote is I'm not doing that. I'm not doing that.
(00:36):
That's no, not gonna do it. No, thank you, just
not no, not for me not doing that. Uh, this
is what's wild to me. First things First is if
you have anything critical to say, especially about someone like
Dion Sanders, who has a fair share of unreasonable haters, right,
(01:02):
that's the truth. There are a lot of unreasonable haters
when it comes to Coach Prime, and they say a
lot of unreasonable, wacky things. And so if you're the
next person who has something negative to say, you're automatically
grouped in with the wacko haters. You know, you might
have something legitimate to point out that's critical in nature,
(01:23):
but all of a sudden, shoulder to shoulder with someone
who said something way way worse and maybe personal and
maybe stupid. You know, your shoulder to shoulder, you're basically
the same person. You know, that's how it goes. But
this is how you can tell if someone's being biased
or not. If someone's truly being biased, if they say
(01:43):
something about one person but then don't say anything close
to the same thing about another person when the situation
is basically the same, right, that's when you can tell
someone is biased. So with coach Prime, if instead of him,
it's another head coach. If this is Marcus Freeman at
(02:06):
Notre Dame, I'm from South Bend. I'm in South Bend
right now after a funeral yesterday that I'll give you
a few details, but I'm back in my hometown right now.
If Marcus Freeman at Notre Dame didn't make any recruiting
trips this year, I'd be like, what's he doing? If
(02:26):
Dabosweeney at Clemson didn't make any recruiting trips, I'd say
what's he doing? If eddy of the top coaches at
the top programs didn't make any recruiting trips, I'd be like,
did they have surgery? Can they not do it? Are
they unable? Why would you not do that? So that's
(02:49):
the first part of this. If someone is critical of
coach Prime for not making recruiting trips, no in home
or off campus visits, as long as that person would
say the same thing about someone else, well, then you
can tell that person is not being biased. So that's
where I'm at with this. I would say the same
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thing about other head coaches taking the same approach, which
is not taking a plane anywhere. I feel like, what
are they doing? The coach Prime's whole identity and approach
is I ain't hard to find. It's on his sweatshirts, right.
(03:30):
It's basically saying to recruits, hey, come find me. I'm
easy to track down here, you know, like you hit
me up. And it's like, that's not how recruiting works, man,
you gotta roll out the red carpet. You've got to pursue.
It's like dating, you know, unless you've just got it
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like that and people are just coming up to you, like, hey, hey,
are you busy? You know what on a shoulder massage
later tonight? You know, unless people are just coming up
to you and offering things, you've got to pursue them.
Unless you've got like fame, money, good looks, whatever, and
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you've got people just after you, constantly after you, just
hounding you. Well, then you have to do the recruiting
when it comes to dating. That's all it is. You
just if you're a guy and you want to date women,
you're recruiting women right You're reaching out to them, you're
texting them, you're sending messages. The same thing in college
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football recruiting. So for coach Prime, he had a well
decorated football career. We all know that he is a
very well known head coach. He draws a lot of attention.
All of those things are true, but he's not being
hounded by four and five star recruits where coach Brian
(04:57):
picks up his phone and they're just you know, twenty
seven new voicemails. Hey coach Prime, I'm a five star quarterback.
I love to come play at Colorado. Hit me back,
Hey Coach Prime, I am a five star defensive vent
I'd love to be a buff. Hit me back. You know,
it's not like that they've had bad recruiting classes recently,
(05:21):
and yet the same approach exists where now I'm not
doing that. In recruiting, you need to approach the players
instead of expecting the players to approach you. I just
I don't understand why this would be his whole approach
and his mindset. It blows my mind. If you're trying
to be one of the top programs and one of
(05:43):
the top teams in college football, you gotta go seek
the players instead of just like what does he do?
Just check his voicemails? All right, let's see Wednesday, February nineteenth. Okay,
no messages. That's not good, right, I just don't even understand.
(06:07):
So this was before National Signing Day on February fifth, right,
and that's where Colorado they confirmed they recently have confirmed
earlier in February that coach Prime Nope, no in home
or off campus recruiting visits, didn't do that wild to me,
(06:27):
don't understand it. Your thoughts more than welcome. You can
hit me up on X I say like that, like
what is it? Will Ferrell and Anchorman? You know where
it's a question at the end, I'm what's what's his man?
I just had a brain freeze. I don't know if
(06:48):
I'm gonna make it through this show. I'll just be
honest with you. There's low on sleep what's his name?
Total brain freeze in Anchorman. What's Will Ferrell's character in Anchorman?
What's called you too?
Speaker 3 (07:02):
I've only seen the movie once when I was like thirteen.
Speaker 2 (07:05):
Okay, so that's what we're working with. Here is Rondy,
that's it. I'm Ron Burgundy. You know, because there was
a question mark on the teleprompter, that's me right now.
You know that that's me speaking to you live right
now at this moment.
Speaker 1 (07:23):
Do you know who I am?
Speaker 2 (07:24):
That's right?
Speaker 4 (07:27):
No, I can't say that I do.
Speaker 5 (07:29):
I don't know how to put this, but.
Speaker 2 (07:34):
I'm kind of a big deal. Really, people know me.
Speaker 5 (07:40):
I'm very happy for you.
Speaker 3 (07:41):
People know you, Brian.
Speaker 2 (07:42):
You know what's funny? Lorena? That is the perfect SoundBite
to just encapsulate what's going on at Colorado. Right, Dion
Sanders is Will Ferrell an anchorman, and the recruits are
what's her name? Christina Applegate? Is that it? The recruits
(08:06):
are her? Right? Like Deon Sander's like, I don't know
how to put this kind of a big deal. I'm
a big deal bro, right, and then the recruits, Yeah,
they're like, uh, well that's great, that's that's cool for you.
I'm gonna go to Ohio State now. Coach Prime. So
(08:28):
how do you not think to players? It's unbelievable. I
I don't get it at all, and I don't I
don't know, I really I don't see. Here's the thing
with sports radio. I love doing this from time to time.
(08:48):
I love at least considering the other position. You, well,
it's easy to understand my position. How are you a
college coach at a major school in a power for
conference and you're not doing in home or off campus visits?
How how is that even possible? So what's the other
(09:09):
side of that. I can't even build a legitimate argument
as to Oh, no, it makes sense.
Speaker 6 (09:15):
He's hip, he's with this generation nobody likes to even
talk on their phone, let alone meet in person. Yeah,
so you know all the recruiting trips are you know,
through like you know, FaceTime.
Speaker 2 (09:32):
Okay, we're all we're doing FaceTime. No in person. You
know parents who are from a different generation, Well, sometimes
they prefer in home, you know what I mean? Sometimes
that goes a long way snood in home, off campus.
You think parents are as like, oh, let me talk
to coach Prime on snapchat. I'd much rather do that
(09:54):
than face to face. You think that's a a parental Uh,
that's that's there.
Speaker 6 (10:03):
Old enough now to the point where the parents are
from that generation or not quite.
Speaker 2 (10:08):
You know, it's crazy, is it? Not quite? But not
that far away, not that far removed.
Speaker 3 (10:15):
My child is twelve, and I feel like that would
be me who would do.
Speaker 6 (10:18):
Something like that with what you would be so like,
you know, I'd be like, oh, let's just use let's
just use social media or something along the way.
Speaker 4 (10:28):
Twelve is still a good you know, sixty years away
from being like recruited or you know, like five years. Yeah,
but think about this to Lorena, which would go further
for you. Okay, let's say you're twelve year old. It's
a football just outstanding player.
Speaker 3 (10:47):
You know, good, skilled, talented, ready to go off and
beat everyone.
Speaker 2 (10:51):
That's right, take on the world. Has the Lorena jeans,
you know, doing work? Just the problem in football? You know,
would you, as a parent prefer coach Prime saying hey,
how about three o'clock for a snapchat call? Or would
you prefer your son is so outstanding, I would prefer
(11:14):
to make my way to southern California to meet with
you and him in person, like, which goes further.
Speaker 3 (11:20):
Obviously, the more personable approach. You want them to come
over and you know, acknowledge everything in person and really
have that moment. But that's just not what the world
is these days.
Speaker 2 (11:28):
It's right, it's.
Speaker 3 (11:30):
You can't even have someone come knock on your front
door without you being like, why is there someone close
to my house? People don't like it anymore.
Speaker 2 (11:36):
Well, but in college recruiting it's still different. You know,
it's not as if this is a common trend. It's
not as if, I'll put it this way, this is
never going to be a common trend. Okay, it's never
going to be You're never going to see like we're
talking right now and like, let's say the next three
to five years, I don't know what's going to happen.
You might have in person, you know, meetings that are
(11:59):
so virtual it's like being there, I don't know what
the future is getting. Let's say three to five years.
There's no way this becomes a common trend where Ryan
Day at Ohio State is like, you know, it's working
for coach Prime the heck within home visits, I'm not
going to any campuses. Screw that.
Speaker 3 (12:15):
Oh, no, no way, no way.
Speaker 2 (12:18):
Is that going to be a common practice.
Speaker 3 (12:20):
You can't lose that.
Speaker 2 (12:21):
No, you can't. Not in college recruiting.
Speaker 1 (12:23):
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Speaker 2 (12:38):
So the first part of this story is that NBA
players are just teasing us. So the dunk contest was
last Saturday, right just a few weeks a few days ago,
where Mac mcclun did his thing. He won the Slam
Dunk Contest for a third straight year. And then later
that night it started where John Morant was the first
(13:00):
superstar to tweet mac might make might make me decide
to dunk. So John Morant is he's getting inspiration from
Mac McClung. You know, he's watching Mac do his thing,
and he's like, you know what, I might have to
enter the chat. I might have to enter this dunk
contest over here. And then it went from there. Jahn
Morant hits up Zach Levine and Aaron Gordon, two past
(13:27):
dunkers that put on great events. John Morant tweets Zach
and ag, what's up? You know, like what you guys
want to enter this too? Am I gonna be the
only superstar? We're gonna get some high flyers here. So
I bring this up because just yesterday Aaron Gordon responded
and his response was I still got some s word,
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meaning like he's still got some great dunks. He's got
some high flying dunks up his sleeves still, so he's
teasing us. Yes, you also had Yannis right after John
Morant initially tweeted, mac might make me decide to dunk.
Janni's tweeted if you do it, I'll do it with
(14:12):
you with a one emoji, Like here's the thing. These stars,
these named players. You know, John Moran is a superstar,
Giannis is a superstar. Zach Levine and Aaron Gordon those
are all star caliber players. They are names. These are
all names. Anybody with a name that's tweeting about maybe
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entering the Dunk Contest is basically the NBA equivalent of
a stripper. That's really what's going on here, because what's
the common ground. It's just teasing you, that's all it is.
Like a stripper is just like hey, look at it.
It's a there's a right elbow and you're like, oh wow,
and there's that's no mar, no mar, no touching, get away, no,
(15:00):
just just teasing. That's what NBA names are doing. John
Morant like I might have to enter this thing. Aaron
Gordon like I still got some stuff, still got some
tricks up my sleeve. Gianni's I'll tell you this, You're
not gonna see any of these names in the Dunk
Contest next year. How do I know this because this
is what always happens. This is what the Dunk Contest
(15:22):
has been reduced to. It's just names talking about maybe
entering and then not entering. How long has this been happening?
Lebron used to do this. Lebron was like, Hey, maybe
I should have entered. Maybe maybe I should Hey, never entered.
Like this has been common practice for quite some time.
(15:45):
I would like to give new stripper nicknames to these players.
Let's see, we've got Cinnamon Morant. That's his new new nickname,
Cinnamon Morants. Let's go with Diamond. It's a great stripper name,
Diamond at the combo and I'm just gonna go Coco Gordon.
(16:05):
I'll go Coco right there. You know any like any
good stripper names off the top of your head, Cooper, Lorena,
what's a good what's a decent stripper name you have
anything to.
Speaker 3 (16:14):
My brother's girlfriend was Cookie Cookie.
Speaker 2 (16:16):
That's a good one, Cookie Levine. How's that? I kind
of like that. It's a good nickname right there, because
that's what's happening. These NBA named players. They are just
teasing us, just like a stripper would do. That's what's
going on. So don't for a second get fired up
for this as if it's going to happen. You're just
(16:39):
holding you know what. You're the NBA fan that's a
young kid sitting on the front porch waiting for the
deadbeat dad to pick them up, to go to the
mall or do something fun, go get ice cream, and
the dad is just not going to show up. You know,
I hate to be the voice of reason. I'm just
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trying to prepare you for the letdown. That's all I'm doing.
You know, I'm not trying to suck the fun. I'm
just preparing you for the letdown. Because anybody that's like, hey,
hey did you see X You see tweeter Twitter here,
We've got sham Morant, we got Zach Lavine, Aaron Gordon.
We might have Giannis there, baby, look at all these names.
We might have like ten dudes that are stars or
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all star caliber players in the Dunk Contest. No, you're
not gonna have any There's gonna be zero nah da,
because that's what always happens. For whatever reason. It's cool
to just tweet about maybe entering the Dunk Contest, and
then what comes time to actually enter it, you just
say no, I'm good if you don't do it. Now,
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Coop has not gone quite to these lengths here, but
how Coop is comparable to this? So Coop he says, Hey,
I might might head out to Vegas this weekend, you know,
And I'm like, great, this is so long story. I'll
try not to bore you with all the details. But
(18:06):
I've been out in Vegas with my girlfriend for the
last two or three months. We leave on Monday, just
a few days from now, because we have to drive
back to Indiana because my young nephew is getting married. Right.
It's a whole the thing why we're driving and going
from point A to point B. I'm not gonna bore
you with the details, but we're leaving on Monday, and
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the way my life is, I have no idea where
it's going from that point on. None at home for
like a week for the wedding, and then I work
remotely for Fox Sports Radio, you know, so I'm just
here there wherever. Like we were in New Orleans for
a couple of months. We were in Portland for a
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couple of months. I was cleaning out a storage unit.
We've been in Vegas for a few months. We've been
all over the place for a few months. So I
have no idea where it's headed to after this wedding
in Indiana. Technically it's in Michigan, but whatever, it's back
in my home area. I don't know where. So before
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the show, Coop was like, hey, booked my ticket. I'm like, oh, yeah, great,
it's gonna work out. After all. I'm like a you know,
like I'm ready for Christmas morning, you know, I'm like, oh,
presence today, let's go. And he's like, yeah, it's in
like June for the World Series of Poker. Well that's great.
(19:34):
I don't know where I'll be at that day. So yeah,
it's you're kind of like cookie Cookie Lorena, you know,
it's let's see what other stripper names here? What else?
Speaker 3 (19:51):
If I was a stripper, I would go to Vegas
for that?
Speaker 2 (19:54):
Yeah, well people do it, that's true, to get a
special license to strip in Vegas.
Speaker 6 (20:00):
Really it's called like your Sheriff's card or something like that.
Speaker 2 (20:03):
Oh really, wow, what a cool name. Sheriffs.
Speaker 3 (20:06):
I like, when I see the strippers flying back to
LA what.
Speaker 2 (20:09):
Do you think of this stripper name? Mercedes Cooper? Huh?
Just teasing without following. Pretty sure I let off with that.
Speaker 3 (20:18):
I booked my World Series a poker trip.
Speaker 1 (20:21):
Man.
Speaker 2 (20:22):
No, You're like, I booked my trip to Vegas. That's
my flight to Vegas. And I'm like, okay, cool, because
I left this part out. Coop and Lorena they're like, hey,
what do you think about maybe a Vegas trip. I'm
trying to convince my wife all of us will go there.
And I'm like, yeah, perfect, my last weekend in Vegas.
It'll work out great. And that is the last I
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know until this morning where it's like, booked my trip
to Vegas and I'm like, oh, nice, all right, so
it's a green light yeah in June. Yeah, well, Mercedes Cooper,
what's your what's your your stripper name?
Speaker 5 (21:02):
There.
Speaker 2 (21:02):
Uh, Loraina, what do you want it to be? What's
a good one right there? I don't know. If I
give away your last name, you might not want it.
Maybe you just want one kind of like Prince, you know,
you just want one name.
Speaker 3 (21:13):
You don't want Queen of the Pole be a thing
like does it have to be something like?
Speaker 2 (21:23):
I like that cause it's it's different, you know, it
stands out say the.
Speaker 3 (21:27):
Other one that came to my mind, but it has
to do with flowers. Let's just leave it there.
Speaker 2 (21:31):
Okay, all right, that's what we got working. Uh, we
got Mercedes Cooper and Queen of the Pole. Can't you
hear the DJ saying that? Right now, Ladies and gentlemen,
put your hands together for a Queen of the Pool.
And there's a Lorraina doing the thing. There's still time, Coop,
(21:52):
still time to live life, you know, make a trip
off the book it Coop still could and.
Speaker 3 (21:58):
Then I have my you know, it's my idea to
come out there just so you know, yeah, because I
want White Castle.
Speaker 2 (22:04):
Yeah see, and you're just ruining dreams out here with
your with your poker.
Speaker 4 (22:09):
I need to save for need for the world series.
Speaker 2 (22:16):
I don't know if you want to reveal the reasons
why you need to save Coop, you can leave that
on the shelf if you would like.
Speaker 6 (22:21):
But I lost a lot of money playing poker.
Speaker 4 (22:24):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (22:27):
Yeah, so Coop was chasing straights and flushes, and now
what seemed to be the trip of trips, just a
jolly good time has turned into I gotta save. I
got it.
Speaker 3 (22:40):
We would have had the best time we.
Speaker 2 (22:41):
Would have and now all we can do is talk
about the time we would have had, which we never had.
You know what I mean. That's that's what it's reduced to.
Good job, Coop, good job. Way to go all in
with ten to three off suit.
Speaker 3 (23:00):
I'm sorry, this is all your fault.
Speaker 1 (23:05):
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Speaker 2 (23:15):
So Kevin Durant, still of the Phoenix Suns, was not
traded at the deadline. He gave some reasons as to why.
I'll get to that momentarily, but what stood out most
He did a sit down interview with Malika Andrews of ESPN.
This is four NBA today, and so Malika asked him
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a number of questions and one of them was about legacy,
and I thought it stood out what KD had to
say about, Hey, what do you want your legacy to be?
What do you want people to think of? That sort
of thing, because I would assume most would expect to
hear something similar than what KD said. Kd's not a
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guy that's oh, you know, I want you to think
of one of the ten best basketball players who was
an elite scored right, Like, that's really not KD. Listen
to how he answers this question here.
Speaker 3 (24:11):
Maybe with the legacy you want to leave on the game,
people say, Kevin.
Speaker 5 (24:14):
Durant, you're one of the greats, What do you want
people to say? I just want you to expect the game,
you know, I want you to have fun watching my
game because if you pull up footage, you know, twenty
years from now, I want you to really enjoy those
three or four minutes you're watching me play. And hopefully
when they look at me, they can see that somebody
who has a croaked mindset, who's been expanding this game
(24:35):
since day one, you know, somebody want to be looked
at as a worker, to be honest, somebody that's going
to come in there and do what's required to help
the team. Everything else after that it is just icing
on top.
Speaker 2 (24:46):
Yeah, So KD is basically like I just I just
want you to have fun when you watch my clips
on YouTube for three or four minutes, Like that, really
is KD. KD is not one of these things like
I want to be known as, uh, one of the
greatest scoring you know guys in the in the NBA,
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in the history, and I want you to think of
me as not a ring chaser. But he doesn't think
like that. He's like, I just want you to respect
my game and have fun when you watch me play.
That's good enough. Everything else is just cake after that, right,
And what stands out to me is we're not all
motivated by the same things. And that's really important to
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keep in mind because for a while, that's all it
was was just legacy, legacy, legacy. What do you want
your legacy to be? What do you think this guy's
legacy will be? What? What? What? Bye? Bye bye bye?
Where do you think they rank in history? All that
type of stuff. And it's important to remember that not
everybody is motivated by that same thing. Remember Mike Tyson.
(25:51):
This was back in November, but Mike Tyson, he was
being interviewed. This is from Jazzy's World TV, but you
might remember him talking legacy. Here's Tyson on legacy.
Speaker 3 (26:02):
What type of legacy would you like to leave behind
when it's.
Speaker 4 (26:04):
All said and done.
Speaker 7 (26:05):
Well, I don't know. I don't believe in the word legacy.
I think that's another word for ego. Legacy doesn't mean nothing.
That's just some word everybody grabbed on to. Someone said
that word, and they were grabbed on the words, and
I was used every five seconds. It means absolutely nothing
to me. I'm just passing through. I'm gonna die and
it's gonna be over. Who cared about legacy after that?
Speaker 2 (26:26):
Like Tyson didn't care at all, does not care at all.
So some athletes do. Lebron would be an athlete that
cares about legacy, no doubt about that. You remember a
few years ago where he was saying, yeah, well that
three to one comeback against the Warriors. I said to myself,
that made you the goat right there, That made you
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the goat. Like Lebron obviously cares about his legacy and
his standing among the greats in NBA history. And that's fine. Like,
I think it's just personal preference. But there's no hard
fast rule that everybody follows where every athlete is motivated
by legacy. I think that I think that this is
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a common thing for either fans uh sports talk radio.
The legacy thing has been a big, big thing. We
were just talking about this with Mahomes. This is before
the last Super Bowl. There were a lot of people saying, hey,
if he beats the Eagles, he'll already be the goat.
And I'm like, what, what, what's the rush? Like, we're
(27:32):
just trying to I don't know, it's like an old
cassette tape deck. This is probably really let's go with CDs.
It's not as outdated, like like you organize your CDs
in alphabetical or I got, okay, let's see, uh, let
me see, uh, where's the B section. Let me see
there we put a let me put you know, Backstreet
(27:53):
Boys above blind Melon, Like, okay, let me have that straight.
That wouldn't be my personal CD collection, just so you know.
But right, it's like, we want to organize all these
athletes in order legacy wise, and I just don't understand
one what the ultimate fascination with that is and two,
(28:14):
more importantly, like what's the rush. It made no sense
to me to talk about mahomes legacy when he's not
even thirty years old. It didn't make any sense. And
my thought at the time was, even if Mahomes wins
the Super Bowl, like Brady still has three more Super Bowls,
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he still has a head to head Super Bowl wins,
still has a head to head AFC Title game win
in arrowhead, he still has all the individual numbers, all
that stuff. It's all like Mahomes would be on track
to be the goat, but he wouldn't already be if
he beat the Eagles. But the point is bigger than
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that just debate the little you know zoomed in debate
is if you zoom out, and it's this whole fascination
with legacy. Fans are all about legacy. Sports radio is
all about legacy, and it's important to remember that a
couple of athletes like Kevin Durant and Mike Tyson, they
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really don't care about their legacy.
Speaker 1 (29:20):
Like so not.
Speaker 2 (29:22):
Everybody approaches things thinking of that. And if you look
at Kd's career, it's absolutely played out that way. If
KD was all about man legacy, what am I going
to be known for? How am I going to be remembered?
He probably would have stayed in Golden State. He had
won back to back titles, was Finals MVP in both
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of those years. Now, you could point out a lot
of people looked at him as jumping on the bandwagon
and these are somewhat fake championships. Some people looked at
it like that, and so you could you could make
a counter argument and say, well, that's what did motivate
him to go elsewhere. I don't know. I would look
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at it and say, if it one was legacy, he
might not have gone to Golden State in the first place.
He might have stayed at OKAC and thought, hey, winning
a ring here would mean more than winning a ring there.
But he didn't think like that. He doesn't think about legacy.
And then I would also argue if he did care
about legacy and he somehow ended up in Golden State,
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he might have stayed there. He had a great thing going.
He's got Steph Curry, Draymond Clay as teammates. There's stack
and chips. You know, he might have stayed, but he didn't.
He's not motivated by that. The other thing that stands
out to me about KD is what could have been.
It's funny to me that KD doesn't care about legacy
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that much, certainly not as much as some other players
and athletes do. He's just not motivated by that the
same way. But what almost was for him and his legacy,
whether he cares about it or not, it would have
been so much greater if in twenty twenty one he
was able to win a championship. And I just I
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can't help but go back to that year. Remember he
was with the Brooklyn Nets and his toe was on
the line. We thought that he hit a three pointer
with a second to go to give the Nets a
lead against the Bucks in Game seven of the semi
finals there in the East. Think if that was a three, really,
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just think about that and how things realistically could have
played out, and what it would have meant for Kd's
stature and legacy and all that type of stuff. Where
if he hits what probably would have been a game
winning three, he scored forty eight points that game. Now
it was a two, the game went to overtime, The
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Nets lost that game. But if that's a three, I
don't know how many points he scored in overtime. So
let's say you scored about forty some points something like
that and hit a game winning shot, a three, a
dramatic three with the second to go in Game seven
against the Bucks. The next series, they would have faced
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the Hawks. The Hawks were a five seed that year.
That would have been your Eastern Conference Finals matchup in
twenty twenty one. It would have been the Nets and
the Hawks, and then if the Nets survived that they
get the Suns. Brooklyn might have won that series. And
remember earlier where Kevin Durant was sensational against the Bucks.
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Kyrie was hurt. Kyrie sprained his ankle. He stepped on
Giannis's foot in Game three, It's like the second quarter.
So Kyrie Irving missed the final like four and a
half games in that series, and James Harden was gimpy.
James Harden had a hammy that he was working through.
It was KD putting the Nets on his back, and
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they were a toe away from most likely moving on
to the Eastern Conference Finals facing a five seed, probably
being in the NBA Finals, and who knows what happens there.
Maybe Kyrie Irving is back by that time, maybe the
beard is a little healthier. Maybe Kevin Durant is still
absolutely falling, just doing work. Think about how we would
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talk about KD right now if they want a title
that season, and that would have changed everything. And fortunately
for KD it didn't work out that way. And unfortunately
a lot of people just talk endless trash about KD,
his full body of work, his legacy, and I don't
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think he celebrated nearly as much as he deserves. But
it's just funny to me. Maybe you know, I don't know.
I don't know the answer to this. Maybe the negativity
just drove KD to be like, dude, you guys this
again with the legacy, tuk ban, I'm just so over
It's possible
This is the best of two pros and a couple.
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Speaker 2 (00:13):
Colorado confirmed that Dion Sanders made no recruiting trips. He
made no in home or off campus visits this offseason.
He didn't do it last year, doesn't seem like he
is going to do it this year. Coach Prime's actual
quote is I'm not doing that. I'm not doing that.
(00:36):
That's no, not gonna do it. No, thank you, just
not no, not for me not doing that. Uh, this
is what's wild to me. First things First is if
you have anything critical to say, especially about someone like
Dion Sanders, who has a fair share of unreasonable haters, right,
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that's the truth. There are a lot of unreasonable haters
when it comes to Coach Prime, and they say a
lot of unreasonable, wacky things. And so if you're the
next person who has something negative to say, you're automatically
grouped in with the wacko haters. You know, you might
have something legitimate to point out that's critical in nature,
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but all of a sudden, shoulder to shoulder with someone
who said something way way worse and maybe personal and
maybe stupid. You know, your shoulder to shoulder, you're basically
the same person. You know, that's how it goes. But
this is how you can tell if someone's being biased
or not. If someone's truly being biased, if they say
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something about one person but then don't say anything close
to the same thing about another person when the situation
is basically the same, right, that's when you can tell
someone is biased. So with coach Prime, if instead of him,
it's another head coach. If this is Marcus Freeman at
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Notre Dame, I'm from South Bend. I'm in South Bend
right now after a funeral yesterday that I'll give you
a few details, but I'm back in my hometown right now.
If Marcus Freeman at Notre Dame didn't make any recruiting
trips this year, I'd be like, what's he doing? If
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Dabosweeney at Clemson didn't make any recruiting trips, I'd say
what's he doing? If eddy of the top coaches at
the top programs didn't make any recruiting trips, I'd be like,
did they have surgery? Can they not do it? Are
they unable? Why would you not do that? So that's
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the first part of this. If someone is critical of
coach Prime for not making recruiting trips, no in home
or off campus visits, as long as that person would
say the same thing about someone else, well, then you
can tell that person is not being biased. So that's
where I'm at with this. I would say the same
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thing about other head coaches taking the same approach, which
is not taking a plane anywhere. I feel like, what
are they doing? The coach Prime's whole identity and approach
is I ain't hard to find. It's on his sweatshirts, right.
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It's basically saying to recruits, hey, come find me. I'm
easy to track down here, you know, like you hit
me up. And it's like, that's not how recruiting works, man,
you gotta roll out the red carpet. You've got to pursue.
It's like dating, you know, unless you've just got it
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like that and people are just coming up to you, like, hey, hey,
are you busy? You know what on a shoulder massage
later tonight? You know, unless people are just coming up
to you and offering things, you've got to pursue them.
Unless you've got like fame, money, good looks, whatever, and
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you've got people just after you, constantly after you, just
hounding you. Well, then you have to do the recruiting
when it comes to dating. That's all it is. You
just if you're a guy and you want to date women,
you're recruiting women right You're reaching out to them, you're
texting them, you're sending messages. The same thing in college
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football recruiting. So for coach Prime, he had a well
decorated football career. We all know that he is a
very well known head coach. He draws a lot of attention.
All of those things are true, but he's not being
hounded by four and five star recruits where coach Brian
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picks up his phone and they're just you know, twenty
seven new voicemails. Hey coach Prime, I'm a five star quarterback.
I love to come play at Colorado. Hit me back,
Hey Coach Prime, I am a five star defensive vent
I'd love to be a buff. Hit me back. You know,
it's not like that they've had bad recruiting classes recently,
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and yet the same approach exists where now I'm not
doing that. In recruiting, you need to approach the players
instead of expecting the players to approach you. I just
I don't understand why this would be his whole approach
and his mindset. It blows my mind. If you're trying
to be one of the top programs and one of
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the top teams in college football, you gotta go seek
the players instead of just like what does he do?
Just check his voicemails? All right, let's see Wednesday, February nineteenth. Okay,
no messages. That's not good, right, I just don't even understand.
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So this was before National Signing Day on February fifth, right,
and that's where Colorado they confirmed they recently have confirmed
earlier in February that coach Prime Nope, no in home
or off campus recruiting visits, didn't do that wild to me,
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don't understand it. Your thoughts more than welcome. You can
hit me up on X I say like that, like
what is it? Will Ferrell and Anchorman? You know where
it's a question at the end, I'm what's what's his man?
I just had a brain freeze. I don't know if
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I'm gonna make it through this show. I'll just be
honest with you. There's low on sleep what's his name?
Total brain freeze in Anchorman. What's Will Ferrell's character in Anchorman?
What's called you too?
Speaker 3 (07:02):
I've only seen the movie once when I was like thirteen.
Speaker 2 (07:05):
Okay, so that's what we're working with. Here is Rondy,
that's it. I'm Ron Burgundy. You know, because there was
a question mark on the teleprompter, that's me right now.
You know that that's me speaking to you live right
now at this moment.
Speaker 1 (07:23):
Do you know who I am?
Speaker 2 (07:24):
That's right?
Speaker 4 (07:27):
No, I can't say that I do.
Speaker 5 (07:29):
I don't know how to put this, but.
Speaker 2 (07:34):
I'm kind of a big deal. Really, people know me.
Speaker 5 (07:40):
I'm very happy for you.
Speaker 3 (07:41):
People know you, Brian.
Speaker 2 (07:42):
You know what's funny? Lorena? That is the perfect SoundBite
to just encapsulate what's going on at Colorado. Right, Dion
Sanders is Will Ferrell an anchorman, and the recruits are
what's her name? Christina Applegate? Is that it? The recruits
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are her? Right? Like Deon Sander's like, I don't know
how to put this kind of a big deal. I'm
a big deal bro, right, and then the recruits, Yeah,
they're like, uh, well that's great, that's that's cool for you.
I'm gonna go to Ohio State now. Coach Prime. So
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how do you not think to players? It's unbelievable. I
I don't get it at all, and I don't I
don't know, I really I don't see. Here's the thing
with sports radio. I love doing this from time to time.
(08:48):
I love at least considering the other position. You, well,
it's easy to understand my position. How are you a
college coach at a major school in a power for
conference and you're not doing in home or off campus visits?
How how is that even possible? So what's the other
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side of that. I can't even build a legitimate argument
as to Oh, no, it makes sense.
Speaker 6 (09:15):
He's hip, he's with this generation nobody likes to even
talk on their phone, let alone meet in person. Yeah,
so you know all the recruiting trips are you know,
through like you know, FaceTime.
Speaker 2 (09:32):
Okay, we're all we're doing FaceTime. No in person. You
know parents who are from a different generation, Well, sometimes
they prefer in home, you know what I mean? Sometimes
that goes a long way snood in home, off campus.
You think parents are as like, oh, let me talk
to coach Prime on snapchat. I'd much rather do that
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than face to face. You think that's a a parental Uh,
that's that's there.
Speaker 6 (10:03):
Old enough now to the point where the parents are
from that generation or not quite.
Speaker 2 (10:08):
You know, it's crazy, is it? Not quite? But not
that far away, not that far removed.
Speaker 3 (10:15):
My child is twelve, and I feel like that would
be me who would do.
Speaker 6 (10:18):
Something like that with what you would be so like,
you know, I'd be like, oh, let's just use let's
just use social media or something along the way.
Speaker 4 (10:28):
Twelve is still a good you know, sixty years away
from being like recruited or you know, like five years. Yeah,
but think about this to Lorena, which would go further
for you. Okay, let's say you're twelve year old. It's
a football just outstanding player.
Speaker 3 (10:47):
You know, good, skilled, talented, ready to go off and
beat everyone.
Speaker 2 (10:51):
That's right, take on the world. Has the Lorena jeans,
you know, doing work? Just the problem in football? You know,
would you, as a parent prefer coach Prime saying hey,
how about three o'clock for a snapchat call? Or would
you prefer your son is so outstanding, I would prefer
(11:14):
to make my way to southern California to meet with
you and him in person, like, which goes further.
Speaker 3 (11:20):
Obviously, the more personable approach. You want them to come
over and you know, acknowledge everything in person and really
have that moment. But that's just not what the world
is these days.
Speaker 2 (11:28):
It's right, it's.
Speaker 3 (11:30):
You can't even have someone come knock on your front
door without you being like, why is there someone close
to my house? People don't like it anymore.
Speaker 2 (11:36):
Well, but in college recruiting it's still different. You know,
it's not as if this is a common trend. It's
not as if, I'll put it this way, this is
never going to be a common trend. Okay, it's never
going to be You're never going to see like we're
talking right now and like, let's say the next three
to five years, I don't know what's going to happen.
You might have in person, you know, meetings that are
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so virtual it's like being there, I don't know what
the future is getting. Let's say three to five years.
There's no way this becomes a common trend where Ryan
Day at Ohio State is like, you know, it's working
for coach Prime the heck within home visits, I'm not
going to any campuses. Screw that.
Speaker 3 (12:15):
Oh, no, no way, no way.
Speaker 2 (12:18):
Is that going to be a common practice.
Speaker 3 (12:20):
You can't lose that.
Speaker 2 (12:21):
No, you can't. Not in college recruiting.
Speaker 1 (12:23):
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Speaker 2 (12:38):
So the first part of this story is that NBA
players are just teasing us. So the dunk contest was
last Saturday, right just a few weeks a few days ago,
where Mac mcclun did his thing. He won the Slam
Dunk Contest for a third straight year. And then later
that night it started where John Morant was the first
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superstar to tweet mac might make might make me decide
to dunk. So John Morant is he's getting inspiration from
Mac McClung. You know, he's watching Mac do his thing,
and he's like, you know what, I might have to
enter the chat. I might have to enter this dunk
contest over here. And then it went from there. Jahn
Morant hits up Zach Levine and Aaron Gordon, two past
(13:27):
dunkers that put on great events. John Morant tweets Zach
and ag, what's up? You know, like what you guys
want to enter this too? Am I gonna be the
only superstar? We're gonna get some high flyers here. So
I bring this up because just yesterday Aaron Gordon responded
and his response was I still got some s word,
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meaning like he's still got some great dunks. He's got
some high flying dunks up his sleeves still, so he's
teasing us. Yes, you also had Yannis right after John
Morant initially tweeted, mac might make me decide to dunk.
Janni's tweeted if you do it, I'll do it with
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you with a one emoji, Like here's the thing. These stars,
these named players. You know, John Moran is a superstar,
Giannis is a superstar. Zach Levine and Aaron Gordon those
are all star caliber players. They are names. These are
all names. Anybody with a name that's tweeting about maybe
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entering the Dunk Contest is basically the NBA equivalent of
a stripper. That's really what's going on here, because what's
the common ground. It's just teasing you, that's all it is.
Like a stripper is just like hey, look at it.
It's a there's a right elbow and you're like, oh wow,
and there's that's no mar, no mar, no touching, get away, no,
(15:00):
just just teasing. That's what NBA names are doing. John
Morant like I might have to enter this thing. Aaron
Gordon like I still got some stuff, still got some
tricks up my sleeve. Gianni's I'll tell you this, You're
not gonna see any of these names in the Dunk
Contest next year. How do I know this because this
is what always happens. This is what the Dunk Contest
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has been reduced to. It's just names talking about maybe
entering and then not entering. How long has this been happening?
Lebron used to do this. Lebron was like, Hey, maybe
I should have entered. Maybe maybe I should Hey, never entered.
Like this has been common practice for quite some time.
(15:45):
I would like to give new stripper nicknames to these players.
Let's see, we've got Cinnamon Morant. That's his new new nickname,
Cinnamon Morants. Let's go with Diamond. It's a great stripper name,
Diamond at the combo and I'm just gonna go Coco Gordon.
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I'll go Coco right there. You know any like any
good stripper names off the top of your head, Cooper, Lorena,
what's a good what's a decent stripper name you have
anything to.
Speaker 3 (16:14):
My brother's girlfriend was Cookie Cookie.
Speaker 2 (16:16):
That's a good one, Cookie Levine. How's that? I kind
of like that. It's a good nickname right there, because
that's what's happening. These NBA named players. They are just
teasing us, just like a stripper would do. That's what's
going on. So don't for a second get fired up
for this as if it's going to happen. You're just
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holding you know what. You're the NBA fan that's a
young kid sitting on the front porch waiting for the
deadbeat dad to pick them up, to go to the
mall or do something fun, go get ice cream, and
the dad is just not going to show up. You know,
I hate to be the voice of reason. I'm just
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trying to prepare you for the letdown. That's all I'm doing.
You know, I'm not trying to suck the fun. I'm
just preparing you for the letdown. Because anybody that's like, hey,
hey did you see X You see tweeter Twitter here,
We've got sham Morant, we got Zach Lavine, Aaron Gordon.
We might have Giannis there, baby, look at all these names.
We might have like ten dudes that are stars or
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all star caliber players in the Dunk Contest. No, you're
not gonna have any There's gonna be zero nah da,
because that's what always happens. For whatever reason. It's cool
to just tweet about maybe entering the Dunk Contest, and
then what comes time to actually enter it, you just
say no, I'm good if you don't do it. Now,
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Coop has not gone quite to these lengths here, but
how Coop is comparable to this? So Coop he says, Hey,
I might might head out to Vegas this weekend, you know,
And I'm like, great, this is so long story. I'll
try not to bore you with all the details. But
(18:06):
I've been out in Vegas with my girlfriend for the
last two or three months. We leave on Monday, just
a few days from now, because we have to drive
back to Indiana because my young nephew is getting married. Right.
It's a whole the thing why we're driving and going
from point A to point B. I'm not gonna bore
you with the details, but we're leaving on Monday, and
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the way my life is, I have no idea where
it's going from that point on. None at home for
like a week for the wedding, and then I work
remotely for Fox Sports Radio, you know, so I'm just
here there wherever. Like we were in New Orleans for
a couple of months. We were in Portland for a
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couple of months. I was cleaning out a storage unit.
We've been in Vegas for a few months. We've been
all over the place for a few months. So I
have no idea where it's headed to after this wedding
in Indiana. Technically it's in Michigan, but whatever, it's back
in my home area. I don't know where. So before
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the show, Coop was like, hey, booked my ticket. I'm like, oh, yeah, great,
it's gonna work out. After all. I'm like a you know,
like I'm ready for Christmas morning, you know, I'm like, oh,
presence today, let's go. And he's like, yeah, it's in
like June for the World Series of Poker. Well that's great.
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I don't know where I'll be at that day. So yeah,
it's you're kind of like cookie Cookie Lorena, you know,
it's let's see what other stripper names here? What else?
Speaker 3 (19:51):
If I was a stripper, I would go to Vegas
for that?
Speaker 2 (19:54):
Yeah, well people do it, that's true, to get a
special license to strip in Vegas.
Speaker 6 (20:00):
Really it's called like your Sheriff's card or something like that.
Speaker 2 (20:03):
Oh really, wow, what a cool name. Sheriffs.
Speaker 3 (20:06):
I like, when I see the strippers flying back to
LA what.
Speaker 2 (20:09):
Do you think of this stripper name? Mercedes Cooper? Huh?
Just teasing without following. Pretty sure I let off with that.
Speaker 3 (20:18):
I booked my World Series a poker trip.
Speaker 1 (20:21):
Man.
Speaker 2 (20:22):
No, You're like, I booked my trip to Vegas. That's
my flight to Vegas. And I'm like, okay, cool, because
I left this part out. Coop and Lorena they're like, hey,
what do you think about maybe a Vegas trip. I'm
trying to convince my wife all of us will go there.
And I'm like, yeah, perfect, my last weekend in Vegas.
It'll work out great. And that is the last I
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know until this morning where it's like, booked my trip
to Vegas and I'm like, oh, nice, all right, so
it's a green light yeah in June. Yeah, well, Mercedes Cooper,
what's your what's your your stripper name?
Speaker 5 (21:02):
There.
Speaker 2 (21:02):
Uh, Loraina, what do you want it to be? What's
a good one right there? I don't know. If I
give away your last name, you might not want it.
Maybe you just want one kind of like Prince, you know,
you just want one name.
Speaker 3 (21:13):
You don't want Queen of the Pole be a thing
like does it have to be something like?
Speaker 2 (21:23):
I like that cause it's it's different, you know, it
stands out say the.
Speaker 3 (21:27):
Other one that came to my mind, but it has
to do with flowers. Let's just leave it there.
Speaker 2 (21:31):
Okay, all right, that's what we got working. Uh, we
got Mercedes Cooper and Queen of the Pole. Can't you
hear the DJ saying that? Right now, Ladies and gentlemen,
put your hands together for a Queen of the Pool.
And there's a Lorraina doing the thing. There's still time, Coop,
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still time to live life, you know, make a trip
off the book it Coop still could and.
Speaker 3 (21:58):
Then I have my you know, it's my idea to
come out there just so you know, yeah, because I
want White Castle.
Speaker 2 (22:04):
Yeah see, and you're just ruining dreams out here with
your with your poker.
Speaker 4 (22:09):
I need to save for need for the world series.
Speaker 2 (22:16):
I don't know if you want to reveal the reasons
why you need to save Coop, you can leave that
on the shelf if you would like.
Speaker 6 (22:21):
But I lost a lot of money playing poker.
Speaker 4 (22:24):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (22:27):
Yeah, so Coop was chasing straights and flushes, and now
what seemed to be the trip of trips, just a
jolly good time has turned into I gotta save. I
got it.
Speaker 3 (22:40):
We would have had the best time we.
Speaker 2 (22:41):
Would have and now all we can do is talk
about the time we would have had, which we never had.
You know what I mean. That's that's what it's reduced to.
Good job, Coop, good job. Way to go all in
with ten to three off suit.
Speaker 3 (23:00):
I'm sorry, this is all your fault.
Speaker 1 (23:05):
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Speaker 2 (23:15):
So Kevin Durant, still of the Phoenix Suns, was not
traded at the deadline. He gave some reasons as to why.
I'll get to that momentarily, but what stood out most
He did a sit down interview with Malika Andrews of ESPN.
This is four NBA today, and so Malika asked him
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a number of questions and one of them was about legacy,
and I thought it stood out what KD had to
say about, Hey, what do you want your legacy to be?
What do you want people to think of? That sort
of thing, because I would assume most would expect to
hear something similar than what KD said. Kd's not a
(23:59):
guy that's oh, you know, I want you to think
of one of the ten best basketball players who was
an elite scored right, Like, that's really not KD. Listen
to how he answers this question here.
Speaker 3 (24:11):
Maybe with the legacy you want to leave on the game,
people say, Kevin.
Speaker 5 (24:14):
Durant, you're one of the greats, What do you want
people to say? I just want you to expect the game,
you know, I want you to have fun watching my
game because if you pull up footage, you know, twenty
years from now, I want you to really enjoy those
three or four minutes you're watching me play. And hopefully
when they look at me, they can see that somebody
who has a croaked mindset, who's been expanding this game
(24:35):
since day one, you know, somebody want to be looked
at as a worker, to be honest, somebody that's going
to come in there and do what's required to help
the team. Everything else after that it is just icing
on top.
Speaker 2 (24:46):
Yeah, So KD is basically like I just I just
want you to have fun when you watch my clips
on YouTube for three or four minutes, Like that, really
is KD. KD is not one of these things like
I want to be known as, uh, one of the
greatest scoring you know guys in the in the NBA,
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in the history, and I want you to think of
me as not a ring chaser. But he doesn't think
like that. He's like, I just want you to respect
my game and have fun when you watch me play.
That's good enough. Everything else is just cake after that, right,
And what stands out to me is we're not all
motivated by the same things. And that's really important to
(25:29):
keep in mind because for a while, that's all it
was was just legacy, legacy, legacy. What do you want
your legacy to be? What do you think this guy's
legacy will be? What? What? What? Bye? Bye bye bye?
Where do you think they rank in history? All that
type of stuff. And it's important to remember that not
everybody is motivated by that same thing. Remember Mike Tyson.
(25:51):
This was back in November, but Mike Tyson, he was
being interviewed. This is from Jazzy's World TV, but you
might remember him talking legacy. Here's Tyson on legacy.
Speaker 3 (26:02):
What type of legacy would you like to leave behind
when it's.
Speaker 4 (26:04):
All said and done.
Speaker 7 (26:05):
Well, I don't know. I don't believe in the word legacy.
I think that's another word for ego. Legacy doesn't mean nothing.
That's just some word everybody grabbed on to. Someone said
that word, and they were grabbed on the words, and
I was used every five seconds. It means absolutely nothing
to me. I'm just passing through. I'm gonna die and
it's gonna be over. Who cared about legacy after that?
Speaker 2 (26:26):
Like Tyson didn't care at all, does not care at all.
So some athletes do. Lebron would be an athlete that
cares about legacy, no doubt about that. You remember a
few years ago where he was saying, yeah, well that
three to one comeback against the Warriors. I said to myself,
that made you the goat right there, That made you
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the goat. Like Lebron obviously cares about his legacy and
his standing among the greats in NBA history. And that's fine. Like,
I think it's just personal preference. But there's no hard
fast rule that everybody follows where every athlete is motivated
by legacy. I think that I think that this is
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a common thing for either fans uh sports talk radio.
The legacy thing has been a big, big thing. We
were just talking about this with Mahomes. This is before
the last Super Bowl. There were a lot of people saying, hey,
if he beats the Eagles, he'll already be the goat.
And I'm like, what, what, what's the rush? Like, we're
(27:32):
just trying to I don't know, it's like an old
cassette tape deck. This is probably really let's go with CDs.
It's not as outdated, like like you organize your CDs
in alphabetical or I got, okay, let's see, uh, let
me see, uh, where's the B section. Let me see
there we put a let me put you know, Backstreet
(27:53):
Boys above blind Melon, Like, okay, let me have that straight.
That wouldn't be my personal CD collection, just so you know.
But right, it's like, we want to organize all these
athletes in order legacy wise, and I just don't understand
one what the ultimate fascination with that is and two,
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more importantly, like what's the rush. It made no sense
to me to talk about mahomes legacy when he's not
even thirty years old. It didn't make any sense. And
my thought at the time was, even if Mahomes wins
the Super Bowl, like Brady still has three more Super Bowls,
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he still has a head to head Super Bowl wins,
still has a head to head AFC Title game win
in arrowhead, he still has all the individual numbers, all
that stuff. It's all like Mahomes would be on track
to be the goat, but he wouldn't already be if
he beat the Eagles. But the point is bigger than
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that just debate the little you know zoomed in debate
is if you zoom out, and it's this whole fascination
with legacy. Fans are all about legacy. Sports radio is
all about legacy, and it's important to remember that a
couple of athletes like Kevin Durant and Mike Tyson, they
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really don't care about their legacy.
Speaker 1 (29:20):
Like so not.
Speaker 2 (29:22):
Everybody approaches things thinking of that. And if you look
at Kd's career, it's absolutely played out that way. If
KD was all about man legacy, what am I going
to be known for? How am I going to be remembered?
He probably would have stayed in Golden State. He had
won back to back titles, was Finals MVP in both
(29:46):
of those years. Now, you could point out a lot
of people looked at him as jumping on the bandwagon
and these are somewhat fake championships. Some people looked at
it like that, and so you could you could make
a counter argument and say, well, that's what did motivate
him to go elsewhere. I don't know. I would look
(30:06):
at it and say, if it one was legacy, he
might not have gone to Golden State in the first place.
He might have stayed at OKAC and thought, hey, winning
a ring here would mean more than winning a ring there.
But he didn't think like that. He doesn't think about legacy.
And then I would also argue if he did care
about legacy and he somehow ended up in Golden State,
(30:30):
he might have stayed there. He had a great thing going.
He's got Steph Curry, Draymond Clay as teammates. There's stack
and chips. You know, he might have stayed, but he didn't.
He's not motivated by that. The other thing that stands
out to me about KD is what could have been.
It's funny to me that KD doesn't care about legacy
(30:53):
that much, certainly not as much as some other players
and athletes do. He's just not motivated by that the
same way. But what almost was for him and his legacy,
whether he cares about it or not, it would have
been so much greater if in twenty twenty one he
was able to win a championship. And I just I
(31:14):
can't help but go back to that year. Remember he
was with the Brooklyn Nets and his toe was on
the line. We thought that he hit a three pointer
with a second to go to give the Nets a
lead against the Bucks in Game seven of the semi
finals there in the East. Think if that was a three, really,
(31:39):
just think about that and how things realistically could have
played out, and what it would have meant for Kd's
stature and legacy and all that type of stuff. Where
if he hits what probably would have been a game
winning three, he scored forty eight points that game. Now
it was a two, the game went to overtime, The
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Nets lost that game. But if that's a three, I
don't know how many points he scored in overtime. So
let's say you scored about forty some points something like
that and hit a game winning shot, a three, a
dramatic three with the second to go in Game seven
against the Bucks. The next series, they would have faced
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the Hawks. The Hawks were a five seed that year.
That would have been your Eastern Conference Finals matchup in
twenty twenty one. It would have been the Nets and
the Hawks, and then if the Nets survived that they
get the Suns. Brooklyn might have won that series. And
remember earlier where Kevin Durant was sensational against the Bucks.
(32:46):
Kyrie was hurt. Kyrie sprained his ankle. He stepped on
Giannis's foot in Game three, It's like the second quarter.
So Kyrie Irving missed the final like four and a
half games in that series, and James Harden was gimpy.
James Harden had a hammy that he was working through.
It was KD putting the Nets on his back, and
(33:09):
they were a toe away from most likely moving on
to the Eastern Conference Finals facing a five seed, probably
being in the NBA Finals, and who knows what happens there.
Maybe Kyrie Irving is back by that time, maybe the
beard is a little healthier. Maybe Kevin Durant is still
absolutely falling, just doing work. Think about how we would
(33:35):
talk about KD right now if they want a title
that season, and that would have changed everything. And fortunately
for KD it didn't work out that way. And unfortunately
a lot of people just talk endless trash about KD,
his full body of work, his legacy, and I don't
(33:57):
think he celebrated nearly as much as he deserves. But
it's just funny to me. Maybe you know, I don't know.
I don't know the answer to this. Maybe the negativity
just drove KD to be like, dude, you guys this
again with the legacy, tuk ban, I'm just so over
It's possible
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