Best of 2 Pros and a Cup of Joe

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Speaker 1 (00:01):
This is the best of two pros and a couple
with lamar As rating Win and Jonas Knox on radio.

Speaker 2 (00:14):
No, wow, we're gonna change up the intro a little
bit just because Jonas is out. Absolutely is that how
we do it? Absolutely?

Speaker 3 (00:23):
This is your moment. Bruhs your town. Get that spaghetti
coffee shirt. Let's go.

Speaker 2 (00:28):
You were you behind this?

Speaker 3 (00:30):
Nope, I'm not like y'all.

Speaker 2 (00:34):
I don't.

Speaker 3 (00:34):
I don't sneak up on y'all.

Speaker 2 (00:36):
You know what I mean. But why y'all you're still
you're still harboring those emotions from last Friday.

Speaker 3 (00:41):
No, it was good. I just y'all hit me with
something new. I mean, it's in my repertoire now, I don't.
I don't get mad. I added to my toolbox. I
had never heard of it, all right, I had never
heard of it, So it's good. Really, No, I didn't.

Speaker 2 (00:55):
That was the I'm gonna send you some like cutups
of prank calls, uh and friend of who doesn't know
right for it too. There might have may or may
not have been a bit that got pushed out on
digital as well, or we talked about a fictitious report.

Speaker 3 (01:12):
You notice I didn't collaborate on it either. You know,
I didn't share that ass out by the way, but
I did think it was funny. I did.

Speaker 2 (01:18):
But gohd anyway named Michael Roch or Mike Rotch for
suret that uh LeVar unfortunately did not pick up on it.

Speaker 3 (01:26):
And I use with the word Mike with the in
there because you know, I have two mics. I got
a lot of mics in my fami, a lot of Mike. Yeah,
so I used that, you know, So it goes right,
It goes very natural with the rotch, you know, because
that are being in there. It's natural. So I'm glad.
I'm glad you guys enjoyed it.

Speaker 2 (01:46):
You know, I think that a lot of people enjoyed
a lot of people had fun with it.

Speaker 3 (01:51):
Called me, was like, are you upset about what we did?

Speaker 2 (01:54):
No? Hell no, I know, I know. Unfortunately, as you
heard a minute ago, Jonas Knock's not here. Should I
do the reckless thing and make a d allegation? I mean,
he gets you every time, you know, I know, I
know we're actually you want I do think I know
why he's not here. However, no one ever knows when

(02:17):
his birthday is, so maybe he's actually celebrating his birthday.

Speaker 3 (02:20):
I heard it was Drew's birthday, but you know what,
it could have been his. You never know. I mean
he's at like what one hundred and fifty in vampire years?
Who ever knows? Man, you know, I mean, you just
got to guess here and there see what it is?

Speaker 2 (02:34):
Well, nevertheless, it's the one and only college football Hall
of Famer LeVar Arrington. I'm Britty Quinn, no Jonas Knox.
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(02:57):
it's done. We've got our final four we figured out
over the weekend. And if it feels a little shocky,
that's because it is. And so if you're looking at
your significant other, your wife, whoever that may be in
your life, who's not watched one ounce of basketball this season,
and they happened to pick all four number one seeds

(03:18):
and they went the chalky route. So they're beating you
in the bracket, Well, join the club, Join the club.
Not sure how much of it you got to watch
this weekend, LeVar, but it felt like we're at a
really interesting stage in college basketball where dare I say, well,
let me just put it this way, with all number
four number one seeds winning, is that a good thing

(03:40):
for college basketball?

Speaker 3 (03:42):
You know what, I don't know if it's a large
enough sample size just yet. I feel like for this year,
it's good because you know you're going to get what
would be perceivably the best matchups based upon seeding, which
you would all always think maybe common knowledge is that

(04:02):
ones versus ones is best versus best. So I think
it would be good in terms of totality for college
basketball and for the tournament. I think it remains to
be seen. I think if it continues to be the
trend that all number ones advanced like this every single year,

(04:23):
then now I think it it opens up the conversation. Q.
That's what I would say, and I'll tell you what
you think, right right, But let me give you some
history in all this. So first off, a few things.
The Big ten has been eliminated completely from the NCAA tournament.
Can you name the last time a Big Ten team

(04:44):
won the national championship in basketball.

Speaker 2 (04:46):
Ooh ooh, it would be and it's not your fault.
It's been a while. Let me just put it this way,
it's been a while. I'm trying to think, would it
have been Michigan State, Yes, in two thousand, Yeah, with
mate Mateen Cleaves and yeah, Mo Pete.

Speaker 3 (05:06):
And Jason Richardson and all those.

Speaker 2 (05:09):
God damn, it's it's crazy to think that because there's
been one hundred and fifty two NCAA attorney bids from
the Big Ten since that point. To have one hundred
and fifty two NCAA tourney bids without a national championship.

Speaker 3 (05:22):
I wanted to say Maryland, but I had to recall
that Maryland hadn't gone into the Big Ten yet. But
that would have been with like one Dixon and Bouton
and Baxter Aldo. Nonetheless, that's still a long ass time ago, man,
So it is.

Speaker 2 (05:37):
And I think for some reason, you know, not saying
that the Big Ten doesn't play good basketball, however, I
mean that kind of stands in your way if you
want to try to make a case or and even
even for Tom Izzo, who's been a legendary, he's a
Hall of Fame coach. But you're sitting there saying it's
been a twenty five year drought even for you, and

(05:59):
honestly to make it through a conference that if we're
being fair, if we're using national championships as the marker
for success, you're not playing in the toughest conference. And
so it's like you can't figure out a way of
waltzing through the Big ten to then be even a
one seed. I don't know, that becomes tough, just a

(06:19):
tough pill to swallow if you're the Big ten. And look,
maybe it has something to do with the fact that
how the funds are allocated in today's world in basketball,
because I do think that's one thing that stands out
right now more than anything else. And this is why
let me give you another little stat. All Right, For
the first time since the field expanded to nineteen eighty five,
all twelve Sweet sixteen and Elite eight games were won

(06:44):
by the favorite. All right, all twelve, every single one,
every favorite from the Sweet sixteen to the Lead eight.
Now to get us to the Final four, every favorite
one that has not happened the previous was eleven in
nineteen ninety seven. So there's a dramatic shift in what's

(07:04):
happening in college basketball right now. And there's the halves,
then there's the have nots and the haves they awe
the money and they can go out and buy themselves
a roster and a team, And you don't have to
look any further than what's happening in college football the
past couple of seasons to sit here and say this
is a direct relation, a direct correlation, if you will,

(07:29):
to the schools that can fundraise have collectives that have
nil and the ones that cannot. I mean Ohio State,
for example. What we hear all year about their football.

Speaker 3 (07:39):
Team, best team money can buy a.

Speaker 2 (07:42):
Twenty million dollar roster. Like that number got thrown around
going into the season. This wasn't like a secret, It
wasn't even close to a secret. We had heard that
back during the spring when I was calling their spring game,
that everyone kept throwing on twenty million dollars roster. And
usually because if you want to pull back the curtain
for a second, it's you've got a lot of alumni

(08:05):
who are putting a bunch of money into it. They're
pumping money into it. They'll Bill Ross. They'll buy a
championship and it's not a dirty little secret, but the
university doesn't want a lot of those people to say
recognition for it, so they're not afraid of leaking it
out there to telling on three sports or whoever else.
How big their collective is or what they're making. I mean,

(08:27):
it's not complicated if they're a nonprofit. Just look at
their nine to ninety like the eighteen seventies society at Ohio,
that's what's actually has been funding their football program. You know,
the University of Michigan the year before. Remember they paid
all those guys to stay. Oh yeah, they paid all
of it to make it happen. And there's been two

(08:47):
national champions two examples right there in the world of
football that has done that. And now you look at basketball,
and if you're crazy or you're delusional and you're not
willing to admit that schools like Duke, for example, it's
a basketball school, not saying the football program can build
a little bit of a collective for its you know,
nil efforts, but the large majority of those funds go

(09:10):
to basketball. You know, for Florida, they've been pretty healthy.
They've got on both sides of it. But when you
start to dig in a little beat, a little bit deeper,
and what the SEC has done a great job of
is they have been able to find out a lot
of funds being allocated towards the top two revenue generating sports,
but really sports in general. The SEC has prioritized sports

(09:32):
as its front runner and leader and how they're going
to build their institutions. They haven't shied away from it
in this world where you see other schools other parts
of the country where they lean so hard in academia
that they're like, oh, no, we don't want the athletics
department to get too much shine. Now the SEC is like, no, no,
we could be good at both. We can have Rhodes
scholars and great institutions and you know, go after the

(09:54):
best faculty and build up our beautiful campuses and also
you know, be great at sports. Like we can do
both those things. And right now, the SEC, even though
they you know, this year, you can make the case
they struggled in football, which I do think will come around.
They've been down in basketball and it's showcasing right now
in the final four.

Speaker 3 (10:13):
It just made me wonder, what's the motivation of these
other schools that aren't blue blood basketball schools. You know,
when you look at the amount of money that it
will take to be able to compete with those powers Q,
I think that that's a very tall, daunting task for
most of these schools. You need to look at a guy,

(10:33):
even like a Maryland that has been like I said,
in my estimation historically that's a blue blood team acc
but still a blue blood program for basketball. Their coach
just left because of the same stuff you're talking about
right now. So I'm curious. You see what U and
C did in football by bringing in Bill Belichick. You

(10:56):
don't see very many NBA coaches coaching college ball, and
I wonder because of maybe what comes along with some
of the names that are connected to coaches, how imperative,
how how important it is to try to figure out
bringing in the type of a coaching you know, personality,

(11:21):
someone who can command, you know, the attention and maybe
even solicit the loyalties of the alumni to get involved.
I wonder if that's going to become a thing for
these universities to try to do it, if even possible
to be able to do it, Because I feel like
mid majors, they're going to slide into oblivion. I feel

(11:42):
like most most majors they're outside of the main powers,
more so in basketball than I would even think in football.
I think that it's going to be very difficult if
the trend is indeed based upon that nil support and
those advertising dogs or the collectives that are involved, I

(12:02):
think it's going to make it truly difficult for colleges
to be competitive in that manner that in college basketball, yeah.

Speaker 2 (12:13):
And there's no doubt about it. I mean, there are
many players who are playing for seven figures. And look,
that might rub you the wrong way hearing that. We've
got a lot of hard working Americans and people who've
been working at a job in an industry for a
long time and then they'd love to be a piece
of it. I'm not sure many people, you know, believe
that should be the case or understand it. But that's
how desperate and that's where we are right now in

(12:35):
college sports, where people have such a strong desire to
want to win and they're willing to throw a bunch
of money at college athletics right now in order to
do so. And so that's kind of how free markets work.
This has been allowed now, and we'll see how the
revenue sharing plays a factor in all of it. I
think the one thing I've continually said will continually say is,

(12:57):
you know, the alumni support for their teams is fantastic.
It's awesome. I mean, it goes to show you how
much people love their alma maters, they love their school,
they love that's experienced the time that they had there.
But there also comes a stopping point. I mean you
kind of point that out with Maryland. I know plenty
of Maryland alums who love their basketball take but they're

(13:21):
also not willing to sacrifice it there and say, like,
am I taking food off the table for my kids
or for my family or how I want to live
my life to go to sport or a basketball program,
Like there's the success of Maryland basketball give me greater
joy than taking that five ten thousand dollars and go
spending on a vacation. Like That's kind of the reality
of what it is. So it's not sustainable. And you

(13:43):
look at the professional leagues and you look at how
they're constructed, and it's the TV money that's largely paying
professional athletes in any given sport. Let's subsidized, which is
a whole other conversation for those WNBA fans, But that's
where we're getting to. It's just taking a long time
to get there. For those of you who missed it
over the course of the weekend, we do have an update. Obviously,

(14:04):
in the Final four, it's Auburn, it's Florida, it's Duke,
it's Houston, it's every number one seed, and you can
make the case in somewhat dominant fashion. It didn't feel
like the games were overly that close, that dramatic. Maybe
you'd say the Sweet sixteen games coming into the Elite
Eight felt like they were pretty close. Some controversial stuff
going on. Look, I told you I had Purdue beating Houston.

(14:27):
It came down to the final seconds. I thought it
was a push off to a lot of people will argue,
you can't make that call at the end of the
game when you've got a one on one scenario. But
it seemed pretty egregious and it wasn't the final play
that ultimately decided it. The defensive strategy for Purdue on
the inbound ultimately led to that easy bucket, which you know,

(14:49):
kudos to Kelvin Sampson because I'm sure he had schemed
that he knew that was gonna come, and they probably said, hey, look,
if you find an opening, look for the inbounder because
Braden Smith's gonna go try to double somewhere else. And
sure enough, they created an easy opportunity for Houston to
win and obviously send them into the opportunity to play
to be in the final four. But that is where
we're at now, Lee, I will ask this, where where

(15:11):
are we at in the brackets? I've actually not looked
at the updates since Saturday or Sunday, so I'm not
I don't. I know, I'm not leading anymore because the
Kentucky loss ultimately did in my bracket. But where where
is the Fox Sports host Radio bracket athlete?

Speaker 4 (15:25):
Well, Brady, you are still right up there at the top.
You're not in the top three, but you are in
fourth place by yourself. Looking in Doug Gottlieb is holding
number one by himself, followed by Alex Curry and Bernie Fratto.
Then it's you just a few points and that's what
that's all we need right now. Yeah, nothing else matters.

(15:46):
I mean, there's nothing that matters.

Speaker 2 (15:48):
It's because I did see a text from someone in
our group who's not here today, that that seemed like
he wanted certain people to win, and I responded back,
it's probably be out of the cards because I believe Doug, Alex, Bernie,
and myself all of Duke winning, and I think in
most cases we have them playing Florida. So we'll see

(16:12):
how things pan out. There might be a few differences,
but it's probably gonna end up.

Speaker 3 (16:17):
I wanted Alex Alex, oh wow, he's the vampire of
voice out of nowhere. I wanted Alex Curry to win personally.
But you know, oh well, she's close though, she's in.
She's in the second.

Speaker 2 (16:30):
She's got a lot of fans, a lot of people
rooting for her, lot of people who are big fans,
big they would love they would love to see her
jump up and down and get excited.

Speaker 3 (16:37):
About love to see her be happy. The excitement of
it all. Absolutely, So that's out that Ace.

Speaker 2 (16:42):
And then Lee, where are we at for? Are didn't
we have like a hat deal we were doing too.

Speaker 4 (16:48):
Yes, the hat drawing, of course, Grady, you still have
two teams in there, of course, Oh your Duchies and
uh and Houston.

Speaker 5 (16:55):
So you're doing really well stupid.

Speaker 2 (16:57):
Don't they play each other though?

Speaker 4 (16:58):
Yes, so they use so you're guaranteed at least one
person in the stupid in the final there and then
Jonas has got Auburn and I've got Florida, so who
does Oh that would mean scrolling through scrolling through the
hats Lee was drawing for me.

Speaker 3 (17:16):
So make no mistake about it.

Speaker 1 (17:18):
You know it sticks.

Speaker 3 (17:20):
Yes, it was out of the hat. You know.

Speaker 2 (17:23):
Oh we heard that one four more time? It sticks picks?

Speaker 3 (17:28):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (17:29):
Is that like a sarcastic sticks picks?

Speaker 3 (17:31):
Loreno? Alright, Lorena hot on Monday. Huh right.

Speaker 2 (17:37):
I was just gonna say that, Like usually she's helping
you quit an exclamation point, that seems like she's actually
throw a little shade at you.

Speaker 3 (17:44):
Hey man, I could take it. I could take it.
I see what's going on here.

Speaker 4 (17:49):
And you got to throw this out too, mister Don Martin.
He's not in the VIP group. He's actually in this
other Fox Sports radio group that I'm a part of.
He's holding it down with one hundred and eleven points,
which is just behind Doug, and he's got Auburn beating Duke.

Speaker 2 (18:01):
Hey my my n that's just shoot the best I
can to make these picks. You know, I'm so busy sometimes,
but you know, every once in a while the sunshines
of blond dogs.

Speaker 3 (18:11):
Ass Hey, don how you doing.

Speaker 2 (18:16):
Yeah, he's killing it all right. And going back to
the last thing. Just on that topic though, of the
final four, like I personally, this doesn't happen that often. However,
I don't know if we're seeing a trend of being
in like a new a new world where this is
going to be the case moving forward. And you see
a lot of the dominant teams, a lot of the
favorites that are easy for everyone to see, you know,

(18:39):
taking control moving forward. You know, there's a thought when
you looked at, for example, the final four and you
know college football last year, I mean a lot of
them were Northern teams Ohio State, Michigan, Notre Dame, places
that have a lot of money, are able to be
extremely fruitful with their nils and the collectives, how they
build their roster. And there's a thought that maybe a

(19:00):
lot of the teams up north weren't doing you know,
the the illegal recruiting activity quite the same as the SEC.
And if that's the level playing field, then You're going
up against a lot of wealthy alum a lot of
huge fan bases. Ohio State, Penn State, both gigantic schools
who are able to fundraise and really tap into that,
maybe more so than some of the SEC schools. So again,

(19:21):
I'm not trying to just make this singular to basketball.
I do think things will continue to adapt and grow
and change as certain schools embrace this new world we're
going into with the revenue share and collectives and how
they can be impactful with building their rosters or bring
in quality student athletes who are able to impact you know,

(19:43):
the basketball court or the football field. But it does
seem like we're in a new age now, and it
seems as simple as you know, saying money can buy championships.

Speaker 3 (19:53):
And with traveling too, by the way, but go ahead,
finish your point. What do you mean traveling? They should
just do away with travel. I don't know what traveling
is anymore. I was watching these games. I just don't
know what traveling is anymore. If you call traveling, it's
like kind of like, I don't why did you call
it traveling?

Speaker 2 (20:09):
You know, Well, the euro step is the one that's
kind of gotten me where back in the day you
could have never gotten away no with a euro step.

Speaker 3 (20:17):
No.

Speaker 2 (20:17):
And now you see it obviously in the NBA, but
you see it a lot in them games.

Speaker 3 (20:22):
I was watching, Yeah, you're seeing college. Oh gosh, I'm like, all.

Speaker 2 (20:26):
Right, that that's that kind of to me is the
gray area that and like obviously you know, palming the
ball or carrying the ball, that's got a bit of
hand to But it is what it is. I'm not
going to down that hill. That's just how the games
kind of evolves over the years. I just I wonder, though,
if Duke wins this, does that is that gonna bother you?

Speaker 3 (20:46):
No? No, they look really good too, by the way.
They are as good as advertised. They truly are. And
I know we're going probably at some point maybe I
don't know, maybe talk about you know him and and
his uh well new coach and coach k right now
for a couple minutes. I mean, it's just you know,
he is doing an excellent job, and you know this,

(21:08):
it just looks like they look the part. Is what
I say. They definitely look the part. They play defense aggressively,
they execute, on offense, they execute. I mean, it's classic duke.
It's probably the reason why people grew to hate duke
over the years is they're playing classic duke basketball, which
is it is fundamentally sound. They play hard nosed defense,

(21:31):
they look a certain type of way, but yet they're
still able to out play who they're playing against, if
you know what I mean. Mean, hint, hint, you know
what I mean. Like you see guys as like Dang
like why he looked like that, but he can ball,
you know. And about Kevin Durant, I mean, right there,
you go, there you go. One dude had the Santa
Claus rosy red cheeks and stuff like that. I mean,

(21:54):
you see these types of guys and you'd be like, man,
that dude's supposed to be preparing my taxes or offending
me in a court of law, and this dude is
out here like beasting on us. You know. Yeah, it's classic.
It's classic. And then you all you have the two
or three that they fit the part of what what

(22:14):
a duke player looks like. On the other side of things,
they have a certain look to them, a certain feel
like a you know, like a Luau ding or something
like that. You know, you know, they're you know, they
bring a certain level of athleticism to them, but they
have a certain look to them.

Speaker 2 (22:32):
Like it.

Speaker 3 (22:33):
They just fit the classic blue Devil Dukie looking team.
So good for them, good for Shire, good for for Duke,
good for their fan base.

Speaker 2 (22:44):
Yeah, that's I would say.

Speaker 3 (22:45):
It's a successful transition from having Mike Krzyzewski there as
the head coach.

Speaker 2 (22:51):
Yeah, it feels like a signature moment for John Shire
and no, great, the work's not done, but during the
final four it feels like it's it's his team now,
it's his time, and it's tough to do. I mean,
he was filling in for the large shoes left behind
by one of the all time greats in coach k
and maybe there were some questions about whether or not
he was the right guy for the job at the time.

(23:14):
I'm not sure whoever is when you're following the legend,
but John Shire for people who know him, and I
think Pat Beverly was talking about him on his podcast
Absolute dog like legend, Yeah, legend in Chicago and high
school basketball. The type of guy that's like, oh you
guys are running, yeah, I'll be there, Like, was never afraid,

(23:37):
was never ducking anyone anywhere, anytime he was coming to play,
and like there are people who would go watch him,
and you haven't checked out Pat Beverly's podcast he talks
about this, but it's I'm telling you, man, Like John
Shire was a dog and I believe he had an
eye injury that ultimated his NBA career, But from how

(23:59):
he is from a schematic coach to recruiting development, I
mean you kind of see all of it with Duke,
and look, they've been set up to do this for
a long time because of coach k He's built that foundation.
But it feels like they've adapted well too, and John
Shire has a lot to do with that. So there's
not many often times we should be throwing bouquets and
what people would believe to be a blue blood. But still,

(24:21):
it's good to have Duke back, as competitive as they
are and the number one overall see potentially, it's good
to see them back in the rifle throam. It's nice
to sit every once in a while. I know most
people won't admit that. I would admit that, Like, I
love seeing the blue blood programs have success in basketball,
So I'm not going to shy away from that at all.

Speaker 1 (24:40):
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Speaker 2 (24:54):
So some news has been coming out of South Florida
and Palm Beach, where a lot of the head coaches
are at this point time the owner's meetings, and one
of the things that I've got kind of surprising was
general manager Andrew Berry telling reporter Sunday that's unlikely that
Cleveland would trade up for the first selection, which there's
been reports of a lot of teams talking to the

(25:15):
Tennessee Titans for that number one spot. We're less than
a month away from the draft, so this is typical
draft talk this time of year. You just don't hear
too many teams say we're not really likely to trade up. Instead,
we'd rather trade back. But they're trying to keep all
their options open, and so at least Cleveland at this
point is letting people know if you want to trade up,

(25:36):
and maybe if you're a team interested in Shadora Sanders
if that's the player, or Travis Hunter, Abdul Carter, we're
open for business. And it tells me two things that
the Titans of what they're asking for the number one
overall pick, must be pretty hefty at least at this point,
but also that maybe Cleveland's got something else in their
back pocket, because why would you move out of that

(25:59):
third spot if you felt like and this is where
I feel like things are going. If the Titans are
going with cam Ward, I don't know that Chador is
going to the Giants at two. I think the Giants
will take Travis Hunter, Abdul Carter, whoever they deem to
be best player available, not in that quarterback spot. They've
got two veterans there now, and Russell Wilson and Jameis Winston.
I think if they take a quarterback it'll be second, third,

(26:21):
fourth round, something like that, which means Shador would be
there for you. And it would make sense from a
cap strategy standpoint, because it'll be much cheaper as a
rookie as opposed to taking on a veteran. However, you
are going to find the Atlanta Falcons in a precarious situation,
do they hang on to Kirk Cousins as an insurance policy?

(26:42):
To Michael Pennix, their top ten pick they took from
a year ago, who has battled injuries in his career,
or do they say we're willing to move on for this.
So maybe that's who that the Browns are thinking they
could trade for, and in lieu of doing so, they
can get the Falcons to pay a large portion of
whatever Z owe to cousins to make that work within

(27:02):
the cap. We also know that Jimmy Hassem has got
deep pockets, so maybe you can make some alterations to
the contract there. But that is where I first see
this going for Cleveland, because I don't know how else
you're so forthright at this point in time, So maybe
it's a smoke screen. How are you reading these comments
from Andrew Berry?

Speaker 3 (27:23):
Well, the Browns are at two and the Giants are
at three, and I think that it's I think that
it has large, I guess implications in terms of how
they do feel about Travis Hunter and Abdual Carter and
Shador Sanders.

Speaker 2 (27:41):
That's that's what I would say.

Speaker 3 (27:42):
It says to me that they feel like there's more
value in moving back. There's possibly a player that they
felt like they could get more value out of draft
stock and maybe even you know, maybe a player out
of it to add to their team that they may
be pinpointing or seeing what a team how they value,

(28:06):
you know, the other prospects at that high of a position.
But it definitely says to me right out the gate
that Cleveland feels as though they can get more value
out of giving up the pick rather than taking one
of the prospects that are are there. I've heard mixed reports.
Some people think that Travis Hunter would be a great

(28:26):
fit for the Cleveland Browns. There have been others that
have said that obviously Abdul Carter being added to this
team having Miles Garrett, which coincidentally, Miles Garrett is the
name that continues to come up in terms of grading
and comp to Abdul Carter. It just it's it's interesting

(28:48):
to me to look at a team that has had
so much talent but has has struggled tremendously to try
to find success. Clearly, the core's position is still a
question mark, a major question mark, and they are saddled
with the idea of trying to still figure it out

(29:09):
with Deshaun Watson on on their staff. So I mean,
you know what, Q, maybe it is maybe it is
a move to wait and get a cousins to see
if you can bring him in, or however you may
do it. But I just find it interesting if they
were to be able to trade out, who makes the move?

Speaker 2 (29:32):
Is it? Is it the Patriots?

Speaker 3 (29:34):
Is it? You know? Do the Jags look at it
as as a big move? What about the Raiders? Are
the Raiders trying to ensure that they may get you know,
Shador Sanders. Are the Giants going to take Shador Sanders
at three? I think that they're I think that it
could cause a different type of movement and how the

(29:55):
draft plays out in those first first few picks. Maybe
there's flip flops, but I think it does play It
could play out in a major way of impacting you know,
how those first few picks go, depending on who would
be willing to trade into that second spot.

Speaker 2 (30:10):
Yeah, forgive me too for flip flopping Browns and Giants there.
But to that point, if we always talk about the
draft capital that comes with the number one overall pick,
and I always say this, you know, if you have
the number one overall pick, you have to be open
to talking about trading out of it. And the reason

(30:30):
is only because you need to see how desperate teams are,
how much they value potentially that quarterback that could go
number one overall or just the number one overall prospect,
whoever that is. You have to figure out what their
appetite is for it. Like that's how you really see
how this kind of free market, if you will, of
draft capital works. So you have to talk to all

(30:51):
these other teams, whether it's the Saints, the Jets, the
Raiders that whoever you're afraid to not the Jets, I
guess they've got Justin Fields. So else in the top
ten are in striking distance that may want to trade
up and into that spot.

Speaker 3 (31:05):
I don't think that justin Fields precludes them from from
going after a quarterback. Honestly, I would keep them in
there as well.

Speaker 2 (31:14):
You know what the contract. The contract doesn't However, during moogie,
I believe that's how you pronounce it, has said that
he's the starter and that they believe they can win
with him. So he was, uh, he did say that
over the past this past weekend. The least they're they're
saying all the right.

Speaker 3 (31:31):
Things, right, it could be a smoke screen. And you
know that's one of those teams where it's like it
could go one way or the other. But I don't
think we look at that for the Patriots, the Jaguars,
you know, or even the Panthers. I mean, the Panthers
are a tap bit questionable, But then you get to
the shots, you know, the Saints, you can say, you know,
the Saints are probably the last team that that would

(31:57):
give I guess give to the conversation of for for
I mean definitely specifically two shador Sanders, right, and even
at Jackson Dart in terms of you know, where do
you go unless guys start trading because the rest of
the way, they all have quarterbacks on their team.

Speaker 2 (32:14):
And again that's more because of Carr's age, and they
have a new quarterback, So maybe Kellen Morrissey's value and
one of these you know, drafted one of these quarterbacks
to learn from Derek Carr as he gets up there
in age, So that might be more of the strategy.
But I think that the point I'm trying to get
back to is if there's a sense that Tennessee is
not trading out of the number one spots. The interesting

(32:36):
thing about that is the president of Football Operations, Chad Brinker,
has set up the annual meetings for the team visit.
They have not contacted anybody about trading will Levis, and
nobody has contacted us about will Levis. I don't think
anything has changed from the time somebody asked me about
this a month ago. So two things there. The first

(32:59):
thing is that it's not throwing shade at will Levis,
but it's like, all right, you'd think there at least
be a team or two that would have called. I'm
not sure why he's got to advertise that no one's
actually called for the guy on the roster, still on
his rookie deal. That's the first thing. The second thing
is it sounds like even though he's going to stay
on the roster, they want him to compete for a

(33:19):
starting job, which the Brinker later said that the playing
with will Levis is he has a chance to compete
for a starting job next year. Okay, that might be
the case, but it also doesn't sound like they're trading
out of the spot. It sounds like they want to
add competition. Maybe the best way to do that for
him and Brian Callahan in year two is the draft
cam Ward, who seems to be the number one overall.

(33:41):
You know quarterback prospect in this year's draft class. And
if that's the case, then yeah, you've got two guys
that we can battle it out. We'll figure out who
it is. So if that's what their strategy is, then
Cleveland a century is where the draft kind of starts, right, Yeah,
And so that's why you would say, all right, like
we can stay put, but we're more interested in trading
back because we've got a plan at maybe quarterback, what

(34:02):
we're going to do post draft. And we see teams
like the Raiders, we see teams like the Jets and
the Saints, as you had mentioned, maybe the Panthers, and
maybe there's a surprise in there, and so we would
have see what our pick is worth. Because there's a
part of me that finds it hard to believe you
trade out of that spot. If you feel like Abdua Carter,
if you feel like Travis Hunter are both cool, jacket.

Speaker 3 (34:23):
Cast a point I'm making, you know what I mean?
Like that just makes me wonder why if they truly
are willing, because it's just like the number one pick.
It's the same thought process, right, So if you feel
as though cam Ward is the guy that's going to
come in and be able to compete and possibly start
and take over for your team, and you feel that

(34:43):
good about him as a prospect, you make the price
tag for that.

Speaker 2 (34:48):
Pick hi super high.

Speaker 3 (34:50):
If I'm gonna give this up, I want it all
like brand new socks and draws. But Cleveland isn't looking
at it that way, or potentially does seem like they're
looking at it that way. So if they're saying that
they're willing to move from the position trade the position,
then it could be, you know, could be a smoke screen,
you know, to kind of which I don't know what

(35:12):
that that would be a smoke screen for maybe you
just playing poker you don't want to show your hand.
But I think it's also again, I think you're right
in saying that is wise and prudent to see what
the value of your pick is because you could possibly
end up getting the player that you would still want
at a different position and get more value out of

(35:34):
out of what you were able to do with the trades.
So I just think it's a matter of seeing what
comes to the table while offering it. And if there's
another team that does, say, here's two potential gold jacket
type talents, in the top part of the draft, and
we could really benefit from having this guy on our roster.
We'll find that out as well. So it doesn't necessarily mean,

(35:56):
you know that the value of it, you know, to
you know, in terms of a Travis Hunter or Abdual
Carter isn't necessarily there as an overall prospect. It just
might not be there as an overall prospect to the
Cleveland Browns, right.

Speaker 2 (36:11):
And then there's also this sentiment that all this could
be bs, All this could be crap, This could all
be a smoke screen from everyone involved. We're still so
far out from the draft that you know, a lot
of what's said publicly could be different than what you're
seeing in the side hallways there at the breakers in
Palm Beach during these meetings. I mean, that's that's typically
how this goes. You know, we hear one thing on

(36:32):
the outside, other things are said behind the scenes. There's
a few decision makers or one or two that ultimately
will make the decision, and they know what they want
to do, and they've got different scenarios that could play
out on draft day or leading up to it, if
you know, at the right price, like I'm sure the
Browns might say we're willing to forego you know, Abdual

(36:54):
Carter or Travis Hunter at two if we have the
right price to trade back and we are already tard
getting you know who we would use that draft capital
to take. But also maybe how we're gonna you know,
lob that into a trade for It could be a
veteran player that they're gonna they're gonna pair with Miles Garrett.
There's a lot of different directions, you know, this could

(37:14):
go depending on the bounty of picks that a team
like Cleveland could get for trading back. We've seen it before.
I mean, what was the compensation that was given with
RG three if you could look that uply, I mean
that was a bounty of picks. I believe that was
for the number two overall pick, if I'm not mistaken.

Speaker 3 (37:31):
Yeah, that's correct.

Speaker 2 (37:32):
So there's just one example of if you've got a
team like the Saints who are moving from nine down
to two, and they feel really good about Shud or
Sanders or maybe it's Jackson Dark whoever it may be,
you know, that sometimes could come with a huge bowload
of picks. Now we'll see if Lee has been able
to look up the compensation for that trade, Lee, Have

(37:53):
you had enough time to figure it out or see
in the bathroom right now?

Speaker 5 (37:56):
No, they got it. I got it.

Speaker 4 (37:57):
So they got the twenty twelve second a round pick,
that being the Commanders for RG three, while the Rams
received a first rounder which was a number six that
was traded to the Cowboys.

Speaker 5 (38:08):
I'm not sure exactly who that went to.

Speaker 2 (38:09):
Yeah, we don't need to abo where those picks went.
We just need to go at the total picks that
the Rams got.

Speaker 5 (38:14):
Four picks.

Speaker 4 (38:15):
Four picks that included that turned into the likes of
Greg Robinson included.

Speaker 2 (38:22):
How many of those were first round.

Speaker 5 (38:26):
Two three first rounders out of the four.

Speaker 2 (38:29):
I mean, there you go. So if that's the going
right now, granted one of those in the same year,
so you're really just moving back. But then two on
top of that, think about that. If you're calling another
team that has a edge rusher that's the top and
if he's under contract and he's like, well, we're kind
of trying to move on from him. Maybe we feel
like he's you know, on the back end, or you know,

(38:49):
he's impacting his cap like they would they would trade
for that. So there's a bunch of different things you
can do. There's also the thought that, like Jim Schwartz,
based on his kind of scheme, even though I du
al Cardo would be a great especially across from Miles Garrett,
there's also a thought that, like Schwartz likes to bring pressure,
if you like to bring pressure. I'm not saying it
doesn't matter who those guys are, but doesn't matter as much.

Speaker 3 (39:10):
You probably are in a rotation when you do the
type of pressuring that that schwartzs has done. But make
no mistake about it, if you got two guys of
that quality on the field, pass rushing is exactly what
you're going to get at the highest of levels. So
you know, but platooning has become a thing. And that's

(39:33):
why if you're able to get those types of picks,
three first rounders and what was it Lee a second
rounder and a different drive. Yeah, I mean, you can
find and this is no knock on any top prospects,
but you can find guys within those pick ranges that
could come in and be stallworths for your defense at

(39:58):
a position like defensive end, you know, or at linebacker
or you know, even as a secondary player. They are
all still there, you know, so at the end of
the day, like sure, there may be a drop off
in terms of what the grading of the top of
the draft pick board will be with some of the prospects,

(40:18):
but you still can get some very very i mean
super super valuable picks, you know, within you know what
the top the top may be like after what the
next the next five, after the top five, top three
you're gonna get, You're there's still gonna be a ton
of players out there, even going into the second round
of the draft. So if you can get more for

(40:41):
giving up that that top pick where somebody gets a
gold jacket player, but the more equal more for your
team personnel wise and being able to build your team
for the future and heaven the next three to four
years to be able to do it with a rookie
plan on that contract, then that's probably the wisest thing
to do. If you have your draft board structured out

(41:02):
the right way, knowing what prospects you want to go after,
if they're there with the picks that you're potentially going
to have.

Speaker 2 (41:08):
Well yeah, and if you have that prospect highing your
draft board, you know, like like we had heard from
the Michael Roch report from backer blootz dot com. So
some people don't have Abdual Carters as high on the
draft board it. So that's right, I'm kid, Yeah, you
sign this now?

Speaker 3 (41:24):
Sure, Michael had Michael doesn't hard you got to go.

Speaker 2 (41:29):
That's how we slide it in like that's how Jonas
initially presented it, so it wasn't so obvious. I were saying, Mike,
Mike Rotch, like right off the bat, Yeah, I guess
I don't know those are you listening right now? Feel
free to go search for a I don't know if
you want to call it viral, but there were a
lot of a lot of feedback, a lot of people
who love the segment.

Speaker 3 (41:49):
Right in the face. I walked right into the crotch
A good man.

Speaker 2 (41:52):
Was chiming into the uh, the Michael Roch report about
Abdul Carter on back.

Speaker 3 (41:57):
What was my response? That was so offend it? Like
you were?

Speaker 2 (42:01):
It was almost like it's fake news. This is what
I compare it to. You know, when someone gets like
postterized and get dunked on and the guys the guy's
crotch ends up hitting the guy's face.

Speaker 3 (42:11):
That's what happened.

Speaker 2 (42:12):
That's kind of how it rubs on it going up
and then it rubs on it going down, and you
see like the dude's face like form to the like
you know, the movement going up and then going back down.

Speaker 3 (42:24):
Like I get it. I got it. I really I
caught it.

Speaker 2 (42:28):
I really felt like though, like the second time around
with the compilation, I thought you were going to catch
on to it, like the way Jonah started laughing after
you said it, and I was like.

Speaker 3 (42:38):
Oh man, I didn't know it until y'all said it.
I've never caught it at all. I never looked at it.
I mean I caught it, of course, like I caught
it in my face, but I didn't catch it in
my brain. So it's all right, you know, it's early.
It's a new one. Now. If y'all would have hit
me with a DS like D's Brown or whatever, I
get that because I'm aware of that. But I had

(43:00):
never heard Mike crotch. I just never heard it.

Speaker 2 (43:03):
So now about it, Yeah, you need to listen to
more like jerky boys, crank calls or something like that.
All right, I'm gonna start using it though. That's all there.

Speaker 3 (43:12):
You go see because everybody's up on my DS deal,
So I'm gonna start using Mike you know.

Speaker 2 (43:17):
Yeah, we'll just recycle some of the old material that
a lot of these young kids don't don't bring around anymore.

Speaker 3 (43:23):
We bring it back.

Speaker 1 (43:24):
Be sure to catch live editions of Two Pros and
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Speaker 2 (43:34):
Well, the New York Yankees have created a little bit
of a controversy, if you will, If you haven't been
following Major League Baseball in the opening season so far,
how things have been going. The Yankees are mashing the ball.
That's important due to this torpedo bat. Now, there's a

(43:55):
little bit of research behind this was done by the
data analytics department, in particular an MIT physicist Aaron Leenhart
I believe or Lineheart is his name. But they aim
to optimize this sweet spot and by increasing the likelihood
of solid contact, reducing misses. So what they did with

(44:15):
the bat, instead of the bat kind of building up
to the barrel of the end of the bat, they
created the hardest part of the bat closer to the label.
Because they noticed that a lot of players were making
more contact consistently with the label, so they've made that
the harder part of the bat. How is that impacted well?
So far, the Yankees have scored thirty six runs in

(44:37):
three games, outpacing their opponents in the mL League by
twenty two runs. There is a team averaging three point
thirty three. That's what their batting is so far. And
yes it's a small sample size, but I think for
anyone who watched them mash what was it nine home runs,
scored twenty runs versus the Brewers, and they've hit fifteen

(45:01):
home runs in their three opening the three game opening
series versus the Brewers, which by the way, is the
most I believe in that time in the first three games,
surpassing the mark set by the two thousand and six
Detroit Tigers. You'd say that it's giving them an advantage.
And the problem comes with baseball that anytime they see

(45:21):
something like this, it usually ends up reverting to the
MLB official rules. The problem is there's not really anything
specific that talks about this. A lot of people have
said it's more about you know how Rule three point
oh two states that the bat should be a single
solid piece of wood with a maximum length of forty
two inches and a diameter of two point six one

(45:42):
inches at the thickest part. That's really the only specifics
that it gives out. So the torpedo bat isn't an
any wider than two point six one inches. It just
happens to be the way that bat looks and where
that two point six one inches hits as opposed to
the traditional bat that, by the way, and Judge is
still using. He's not using a torpedo bat, but many

(46:04):
of the other players for the Yankees are, and they're
reaping the benefits right now. And so I guess the
concern is whether or not Major League Baseball could you know,
utilize their power or even in the Commissioner's office to
say that there's a competitive imbalance. There's Rule nine point
zero one that gives umpires and Commissioner's office the ability

(46:26):
to do that. So Levarn, I'm not sure if you've
seen this, but it's I mean, it looks funky, but
I completely understand what they're saying. And I think the
other element to what makes it effective is if you're
putting the hardest part of the bat in that label area.
You could technically wait like a fraction of a second
more on pitches because you don't have to get the

(46:48):
head of the barrel all the way around to the ball.
You can actually be a little bit late on it
if you will, which I would assume in a world
where everyone's throwing in the nineties sometimes in the one hundreds,
it would help a lot of hitters and at least
having a little bit more time to catch up.

Speaker 3 (47:02):
They made it a rule to not use aluminum bats
in the pros as well.

Speaker 2 (47:06):
Correct.

Speaker 3 (47:07):
I believe that's It's not in the same article that
you read, but they got to use a wooden bat,
I believe, right. Isn't that correct? Well, yeah, that's what
forever right. So to me, if if you're going to
do anything here, you applaut who came up with it, because,
as you mentioned in the rules, there's nothing that specifies

(47:31):
the shape of the bat. It All it specifies is
how much it weighs and how long it is. So
somebody has done the homework, and somebody might say, okay, well,
we want to have the thickness and the consistency of
the bat, where the batter holds the you know, where
they hold the bat, and there might be some type

(47:53):
of advantage to you having a thicker, you know, a
thicker part of the bat for the guy to hold it.
You have may have really really big hands. You know,
who knows, right until you try something. And they tried.
They tried it based off of what they felt the
information said, and it's working for the Yankees. But there's

(48:17):
no there's no rules. It's almost like if you look
at you know, the pros, right, it's like, okay, it
does the helmet? Is the helmet? Like in that conversation,
like all these different types of helmets, do you get
an unfair advantage on the type of helmet you're wearing?
And I would say, you look at the rules as
long as it it falls within the parameters of the rule.

(48:40):
You have a ton of different looking helmets. Nowadays you
don't have such a small variety anymore, saying with shoulder pads.

Speaker 1 (48:47):
You know.

Speaker 3 (48:47):
But now where it gets interesting to me is what
about a football? Right? Like the football if you want
to change the shape of the football so that a
quarterback can throw it the same way, but it has
the same amount of air pressure in it, it has, right,
you know, whatever it may be are we you make
it so that a quarterback can handle the back end
of the ball a little bit more, but it's still

(49:10):
the same weight or whatever it is it's supposed to
be in football. I don't know the competitive edge that
it gives you if it's not in the rule book
to say that as long as it meets these requirements
and parameters, that it's you know, it is what it is.
Somebody was just thinking out of the box and got
away with it.

Speaker 2 (49:29):
So that takes you back to the deflay eight days,
which the ball is Typically an NFL football has to
be inflated somewhere between twelve point five to thirteen point
five psi and usually, you know, you work with your
equipment managers, the officials check the balls and once they're
deem that they're inflated with the proper amount of air
and they passed the inspection from the officials that they're
good to go. Now, what a lot of times you

(49:51):
would do and this is just for me growing up
in Ohio where you get cold weather, you're throwing out
in the snow when you're young, or playing in the fall,
playing in the winter time. What you do is you
realize that if you put a ball that's over inflated.
It's harder for people to catch when it's cold out right. Players'
hands are cold, they can't feel them as well. That
thing feels like a rock when it hits their hands.

(50:12):
So what do you do to compensate that, Well, you
take some air out now, So you'd rather have your
ball at twelve point five psi versus thirteen point five psi.
It's a little bit softer on the hands, and it
doesn't sound like it's much. It's only a pound of psi.
You can feel a difference. If I gave you one
ball at thirteen point five one at twelve point five,
you'd be able to tell the difference. And the key
to it is if you start the game and it's

(50:35):
really cold outside and they're at twelve point five, it
ain't gonna be a twelve point five once you get
in the game. It's gonna be less than that. So
it's gonna be even softer once you get into it.
Because of the atmospheric pressure, the temperature, et cetera. We
know when hotter temperatures usually it actually expands the balls.
PSI could increase, and lower temperatures it would deflate a
little bit. So if you really wanted to play that

(50:55):
game in cold weather games, when you put that thing
at twelve point five, yeah, once you get into the game,
you're probably throwing some balls that are below that. How
much below depends on the temperature, depends on probably how
they're stored, et cetera. But that was kind of the
workaround for a lot of quarterbacks. That was a little
bit of a secret. I don't know how many people
know in this case. What I find most interesting about

(51:16):
this is I would have thought this would have come
from the Red Sox. The reason being is you've got
an MIT physicist there in Boston and Ericleinhart who's coming
up with this, But this is actually a former Yankees analyst,
And so I kind of look at it and think
like it's almost like a subtle shot there at Boston

(51:38):
a little bit, as there's always that Yankees Red Sox
rivalry where it's like, how do you let one of
your own and how does this again a former Yankees analyst,
that's who the design is credited to, But how is
this not adopted by the Red Sox?

Speaker 3 (51:53):
You know?

Speaker 2 (51:53):
I feel like it's like the New England way, the
Patriot Way. They were always operating in the gray, and
this is what the Yankees are doing, in my opinion,
where if they've taken a rule, they've looked at it,
They've had their analytics department look at it. It makes
all the sense in the world. Whereas if the majority
of balls are hitting off near the label, a lower
portion of the bat, why would you not test this out?

(52:15):
Why would you not try this? And what I think
is also interesting about it is I don't recall and
Lee and LeVar and Loreno. Maybe you guys have heard
this in other points of spring training. It feels like
the Yankees just brought this out now, Like I don't
remember anyone talking about this during spring training.

Speaker 3 (52:31):
This was just always the case as the first I
heard of it. I don't know about you guys.

Speaker 4 (52:35):
Is well, it was bizarre that it was their own,
you know, play by play TV analysts that was kind
of calling them out, and that they brought out everyone
using it, basically everyone other than airon Judge using the bat,
so they kind of made a big to do about it,
kind of outing themselves.

Speaker 2 (52:51):
It's it's hard though not to notice the difference. I
think for any casual observers. There's two ways of looking
at this, And to your point, I can't call who
it was from like barstool, but they basically created a
video about it, kind of mentioning just that how your
your own play by play announcer basically you know, screwed
over your team because he's the one that's pointing this out.
So if major League Baseball gets involved, you know, thanks

(53:12):
to that guy. That being said, there's also an element
of if you had kind of try to sneak it
in there. It's almost like you're trying to kind of
do something deceitful and trying to get out around the rules.
So maybe it's not the worst thing in the world
that someone who's an observer solid, which you're going to
anyway on TV, because the bat does look i'd say
dramatically different it does and what a normal Major League

(53:34):
Baseball bat looks.

Speaker 3 (53:35):
I think it's super cool. I mean, we get so
inundated with just thinking things are supposed to be the
way they're supposed to be, and no one really pushes
the envelope or tries to be more innovative with how
things can be better. I love it personally. I mean,
think about this right when you were growing up Nerf.

(53:58):
NERF came out with a ball that put grooves in
the ball where you could throw a spiral. Even if
you weren't a quarterback arm like, you could be as
average a person as it gets. But if you use
this Nerve ball with those grooves on it, you put
your fingers in the groove, you could throw spiral. You know.
Imagine if somebody said, Okay, well, there's no there's no

(54:21):
language in the rules that say that if it's if
it weighs this amount and it's of this material, that
I can't put grooves in it. Imagine if you were
with somebody just said let's just try it out in
during training camp, or let's try it out during mini
camp or OTAs, just to see how it were to perform. Now,

(54:44):
I don't know, like does the PSIS have to do
with the size Q because I know pro balls are
bigger than college balls. College balls are bigger than high
school balls. High school balls are bigger than youth balls.
So you use a different size ball at every single level.
Would you be able to actually do something innovative with

(55:08):
a football like what NERF did with their ball as
long as it weighed what it was supposed away, so.

Speaker 2 (55:16):
It's a little different depending on the level in the NFL.
And PSI really doesn't have anything to do with the
size of the ball itself. It's just the amount of
pressure of air that's inside the ball. So it could
be a small ball, it could have, you know, twelve
point five psi thirty five. Now, again the size of
it matters in the sense of it might be hard
to put a certain amount of PSI in a small object,
but you know, depending on how it's constructed, you should

(55:39):
be able to. Theoretically with footballs, they're actually doing something
like this. There was a company. I don't know if
it's called Big Game, but I forget the name of
the company. I was in a camp in Texas, and
that's what they were doing. They were measuring quarterbacks hands
and then with their hand they essentially were outfitting them
with footballs depending on the grip, depending on the races,
depending on the stripe cheap to see like what would

(56:02):
fit their hand the best and what would help them
spin the football the best. So they have to work
within the confines of whatever the state high school Football
Regulatory Association is. But so there are some rules around it.
But there's also some gray area with the NFL. It's
the NFL like they're not going to allow you to to,
you know, manipulate the footballs outside of breaking them in

(56:25):
because they all come with that red shiny sheen that's
slick as hell. And then also how much psize them.
That's the extent, But I don't think they're making any
advances there by rule.

Speaker 3 (56:36):
If you were to push the envelope, you got to
make them. You got to make the league say that, Okay,
we don't agree with it, this gives you a competitive
ad and we're adding this to the rule book. I mean,
you would assume because if again the same way with
this bat, if it's not in the rules, how can
you sit there and say it's illegal. You can't. You

(56:58):
can't punish. So you're saying it can be this length
and it has to be this with and we chose
to move where to wid you put the width of
the bat at the top to have a competitive edge,
to be able to make contact with the ball at
the top of the bat, because that's where you believe
that's where the ball or the bat is making contact
with the ball. If that has moved based upon the analytics.

(57:22):
If that if that contact point has moved, then why
would not move the thickness of the bat to where
that contact point is. If it's not the rules, then
I'm going to do it like it would make sense
to pursue it.

Speaker 2 (57:35):
It's it's been stated that the rule was somewhat implied,
meaning that the thickness of the barrel should continue as
it goes or excuse me, the thickness of the batch
should continue as it goes towards the barrel, towards the
end of the bat. And that's where they feel like
there could be a change to the rule three point
oh two where they'll they'll add like a three point

(57:56):
two d where it changes you know that what the
shape of the bat should look like. Now, look, baseballs
have been extremely innovative of late. They've got the pitch clock.
They if you look at the technology around watching a
baseball game, I mean, they can pick up the type
of fastball four seam, two seam again, a pitch that's
going nineties to one, long as one hundred miles an hour,

(58:18):
and they have technology to pick that up off the
pitcher's hand and relay it in real time on the screen.
So if there's any sport that has kind of pushed
the limits of allowing for technology to take these advancements,
it's baseball. But I'll be curious to see if other
teams sort adopting it, or if the Major League Baseball
officials enter into first to say no, no, no, no,

(58:38):
this is creating an unfair advantage or a lack of
competitive balance because of this bat, or if it becomes
more of the mainstay. Whatever the case may be, it's
definitely worth monitoring. It's always worth monitoring if it's the Yankees,
because right now they're going yard on the rag and
I've got off to a good start this season.