April 23, 2025 • 56 mins
Wednesday on 2 Pros and a Cup of Joe, the Lakers step up their physicality in Game 2 vs Anthony Edwards and the T’Wolves. Odds have shifted on landing spots for RB Ashton Jeanty. Shedeur Sanders receives last minute bashing before the Draft and the guys rip Jonas for superstitions and workout routines.
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Speaker 1 (00:02):
It's the best of two pros and a couple with
LaVar rating Winn and Jonas Knox on radio.
Speaker 2 (00:13):
How the hell we feeling on this Wednesday morning?
Speaker 3 (00:16):
Hey, good Wednesday?
Speaker 2 (00:17):
Yeah? Yeah, come on, bar Hi, come on, bar Hi.
Speaker 4 (00:25):
One day away baby?
Speaker 5 (00:28):
Oh right, yeah, we lives change. Yeah, and LeVar will
be there to tell you all about it.
Speaker 3 (00:33):
I won't be there.
Speaker 6 (00:34):
I will be in your in your ear, okay, Okay.
We gotta be careful about where I'm going to be
in on people because these days it's.
Speaker 3 (00:46):
Just it's just whoof man, you know, what do you mean?
You just gotta be more careful. But somebody may take
that the wrong way. You know, what do you mean?
Speaker 2 (00:57):
What happens?
Speaker 3 (00:58):
I should be laughing, I should be laughing. I don't know.
I'm just saying.
Speaker 6 (01:03):
I will be covering the draft though with Fox Sports
Radio Jenny Tadd you know Joe Douglas, you know, used
to be with the Jets, you know, back in the day.
Well I won't say back in the day, but he
what with the Jets and my man Jay Glazer. We're
going to be doing it tomorrow.
Speaker 2 (01:19):
By the way, if you're from.
Speaker 6 (01:20):
Fox Sports Studios, Fox Sports Radio, studios.
Speaker 2 (01:23):
I wonder if you're going to get in the intel
on what happened with Rogers and Sala and all that
from Joe Douglas.
Speaker 3 (01:29):
I'm going to ask, I'm certainly going to ask.
Speaker 2 (01:34):
Yeah, certainly, well you pass that along the following day.
Speaker 3 (01:38):
It depends, you.
Speaker 6 (01:39):
Know, it always depends because relationships are as clearly are
very very contingent upon what the relationship has to offer possibly,
so you gotta be careful on how you communicate otherwise,
you know, you just you may find yourself in a
(02:01):
situation where you don't get any more information if you
ever see them again or anything like that. You just
got to be.
Speaker 2 (02:06):
Careful, cuff up and take care of business. You know,
everything should be fine.
Speaker 3 (02:12):
That should go down as the quote of the year.
Speaker 6 (02:15):
If this jump continues to catch steam, it's a cuff up.
Speaker 2 (02:22):
It's wild. Congratulations to the Los Angeles Lakers, to the
York on the City thunder Pacers, congratulations, And I feel bad.
I feel bad for the Minnesota Timberwolves. Really, the deck
is totally stacked against them because you know, Anthony Edwards
(02:46):
can't even point out what might be true in an
exchange with a fan and get popped fifty thousand dollars
for it, and then he's got to come in with
that on his back, having to deal with that, and
then also having to deal with the fact that, well,
you know, they're going to give a certain number of
calls and a certain number of advantages to the Lakers
to try and even this series and get this back
(03:07):
to Minnesota and UH and and have it at one
one now. So it's unfortunate, fun game. They were getting
wiped out early. They closed the gap, but we do
have a one to one series heading back to UH
Minneapolis there.
Speaker 6 (03:20):
So, yeah, Minnesota played. They didn't play their best basketball,
you know, they did not. They were in a hostile environment.
Clearly they you know, didn't shoot well, didn't. It looked
like the defense did what it was was needed to do.
Speaker 3 (03:41):
You know.
Speaker 6 (03:42):
For the Lakers, Luca played much better, you know, scoring
it was a triple double, didn't he got to the
triple double, I believe, or maybe it was one point
away one something maybe away from the triple double.
Speaker 3 (03:54):
But he played, He played better. They they played.
Speaker 6 (03:57):
The Lakers played better, but I still don't think that
they played clean enough basketball where moving forward, going away
from La that they had that type of a game.
They were still Minnesota was still able to kind of
get close back.
Speaker 3 (04:14):
They got it down to like.
Speaker 6 (04:15):
Nine at one point. You know, I think that they
would do a game like this. I did not think
that Minnesota would sweep the Lakers, but it'll be interesting
to see because they played very poorly. They shot poorly,
and you know, the Lakers took took advantage of it.
(04:36):
And if Luca can continue to play the way that
he does, if Lebron can continue to play the way
that he does, which is do we question if he
can maintain the stamina. I think I was thinking to
myself while I was watching it yesterday. Can can Lebron
maintain the level of competition?
Speaker 3 (04:57):
Like how does that work?
Speaker 6 (04:58):
How does how is his body going to with the
turnaround time playing the next game. I think that there
were questions that that I had leaving the game.
Speaker 3 (05:08):
But I will say at least.
Speaker 6 (05:10):
They were competitive in their approach to the rematch, because
it did not look very competitive in the first game.
Speaker 3 (05:17):
And so it's going to be a series.
Speaker 6 (05:20):
You know, I thought that Minnesota might win it in
in less games, but this might be a series. You know,
they might they might need all the games to decide
this one.
Speaker 5 (05:29):
Oh you think it's going seven. It might Yeah, let's
hope we go seven. That's kind of good for everyone.
Speaker 6 (05:35):
Right, Yeah, it's good with players, it's good for the NBA.
Speaker 4 (05:39):
Well, I thought the physicality of the Lakers was the difference.
Speaker 2 (05:42):
That was just me, but that was the big difference. Yeah,
they needed to respond and twenty for twenty.
Speaker 4 (05:52):
As Chris Finch, I'll tell you.
Speaker 2 (05:55):
The t Wolves head coach, and I don't know if
this is Shade, I don't know if he was trying
to do, uh, you know, kind of let everybody know, like, hey,
you know, it's a little bit unfair how things were
being called out there. But the t Wolves head coach
did speak postgame about that physicality that you mentioned.
Speaker 3 (06:11):
Let's take a listen.
Speaker 7 (06:12):
They didn't really make a ton of like tactical adjustments.
They just were super physical, holding on a lot of
the screens and you know, being aggressive and trying to
jump out on a lot of screens and pressure in
the ball a lot more so.
Speaker 6 (06:25):
Uh, they did jump out on them screens. They were
they were jumping out on the screens.
Speaker 4 (06:30):
But they were jumping.
Speaker 6 (06:31):
They were jumping they I mean they got called for
it a couple of times. I mean, it was called
uh you know, but they just got they played poorly
and they got out played. Like that's you you can
say that that could Randall should have had five six fives.
Randall probably should have filed out of the game. Now, wow,
(06:51):
I don't think that he did, you know, make the fouls.
They challenged them. They did get the fouls reversed. But
I mean, and in some cases, you know, those those
calls don't get reversed, especially if Lebron James is a
part of one of those calls. So they just should
(07:12):
have played better, guys. I mean to me, when you
look at it, they got to play better and and
they got to protect the ball. And I just don't
think that Minnesota came into that game and it's almost
as though they got shocked by the way the Lakers
were playing.
Speaker 4 (07:32):
I think they two things to that.
Speaker 5 (07:35):
It was like a confusing defensively, you know, for the Timberwolves,
that the Lakers defense was like confusing them. And also
I think the Timberwolves just have to move forward, you know,
after that performance. You know, to your point, But again,
don't take it from me, take it from Anthony Edwards
or some of the players in the Timberwolves.
Speaker 2 (07:51):
That's a great point. I mean, and and you were
spot on with that, Anthony Edwards ant man fifty dollars
lighter in the hocket because all he did was, you know,
crank shame somebody at the in the first row. After
Game one, he spoke about it following the game.
Speaker 3 (08:09):
I don't know.
Speaker 8 (08:09):
It seemed like every time I caught the body kind
of went like a in a in a zone in
a sense. So it's kind of confusing at times. But
we'll watch film and be ready. It was up with
twenty something and we fought back and got back in
the game. I think what hurt was when we cut
it to like eleven and a third in the middle
of the third and then they went on like a
seven over run. I think that's what hurt more than anything.
Nothing better to be but to win up what we
(08:29):
want to want.
Speaker 5 (08:34):
I mean, look, the reality is, you know, sometimes practices
in between these games can make the difference. Except for
the Lakers, it feels like they got things together after
week one or excuse me, in game one had a
good practice and we're able to apply it. Then in
game two, how do you know how about.
Speaker 4 (08:51):
The Lakers players?
Speaker 2 (08:52):
Okay, yeah, Bro, apparently Brady's everywhere. He was at Lakers practice. Okay,
So Lebron, is this true, your fellow Ohio, he was
at practice and he can speak on whether or not
you had a decent practice following that that embarrassing loss
Game one.
Speaker 9 (09:06):
We knew yesterday I practice made a tough practice yesterday,
and we went at it yesterday and one of one
of the best practices we've had all year. We kind
of knew coming out of that with type of disposition
we had to play with. We watched film before practice.
It wasn't good. Game one was not good at all.
So we're all competitors and you know, so that's what
(09:27):
it took.
Speaker 6 (09:28):
Yeah, sure, right, and that is accurate. You know, Disposition
is a is a strong word. I mean, they came
out there with an attitude, and they came out there
with a willingness to get after Minnesota basically the same
way Minnesota got after them in Game one. And it
showed that now this isn't a team that was too slow.
(09:50):
They were too slow in Game one, like Minnesota was
running circles around them in Game one. They looked like
they were in slow motion. I don't know if it
was is because of the first first game in the
you know, the series is the playoffs?
Speaker 3 (10:05):
Is it?
Speaker 6 (10:05):
You know, based upon Minnesota just being faster than what
they are, the first thing you're going to think when
you see a team moving slower is, oh, there's the
beer can with Luca and there's the age with Lebron James. Like,
but they showed last evening that this is a team
that can match the physicality and they can match the
athleticism of Minnesota. In fact, they I mean they out
(10:29):
physical them.
Speaker 3 (10:30):
You know. Rudy Gobert is probably like he probably.
Speaker 6 (10:33):
Went to the locker room after the game and was
looking in the mirrors like what just happened to me?
Because he was they were it was all kinds of hands,
you know, knocking the ball away from him every single time.
It seemed like he should have an opportunity to have
an impact on the game. They were too quick, They
were too quick to get to them for him to
(10:54):
even be effective. So you know, it's going to be
a series. It's going to be a series. My question
is ken Lebron James at his age, which sounds crazy
because he's not that old. But I guess in pro
you know, being an active player pro terms, he is
getting old. Can he can his body keep up with that?
And if they were to somehow some way match the
(11:17):
physicality the rest of the way, can they you know,
can they do that the rest of the way in
the playoffs? Because let me tell you something, watching Oklahoma
and the way they play, they are for real and
in that age that people are saying, and you know,
what are they going to be moving forward? Do they
have enough experience to be able to get over the
(11:38):
hump this year? It looks as though they're playing with
the type of energy or or disposition you know that
you know they're going to be They're going to be
a serious team to contend with in the West.
Speaker 3 (11:53):
So but it was a good game.
Speaker 6 (11:55):
I thought it was a good game other than the
fact that Minnesota could have played a lot better, a
lot of misshots, a lot of missed opportunities at times,
careless with with with the way they did things, and
and the Lakers they they jumped up and give credit
to the coaching staff. Right, we don't talk about Reddick enough.
Speaker 2 (12:13):
I have a question about Oklahoma City, as you mentioned.
I know that there's mercy rules in sports, Uh, there's
you know running clock.
Speaker 4 (12:23):
What an awful series?
Speaker 2 (12:24):
I mean, can we just call this after two?
Speaker 4 (12:27):
Like I mean, like, let's put the white flag.
Speaker 10 (12:29):
Just just move on, cut them a check, communition and
just you know, in the in the UFC, if if
a guy misses wade or they cancel a fight, the
other fighter who was depending on that paycheck, they'll like
work out something behind the scenes and cut them a
check to be able to pay for his training camp
and all that.
Speaker 2 (12:48):
Can you just cut Memphis a check for games three
and four, whatever revenue they'll get, give them like fifty
percent or like thirty three percent, and then can we
just move on to the next round? It's over, Like
John Moran hasn't even had an opportunity to break out
any of his arsenal, and we're having to sit here
and watch that waste of time series when everybody knows
(13:11):
it's just going to be a sweep. Let's just move on.
Speaker 4 (13:13):
We know the ending.
Speaker 2 (13:14):
Can we just cut cut to the chase and get
rid of this? And I feel like we're kind of
in the same spot in several other series in the
NBA playoffs, thus far, this is not that much interest,
to be honest, No.
Speaker 3 (13:25):
No, you want you care to elaborate on those.
Speaker 4 (13:28):
It's a terrible matchup, dude.
Speaker 5 (13:30):
I mean it's like they can't stop anyone from Oklahoma
Citay scoring.
Speaker 4 (13:34):
And if you.
Speaker 5 (13:35):
Watch Memphis, like they seem disinterested, They're like, yeah, where
I win this one. It feels like a terrible pickup
game at like your local you know, pick your gym,
like twenty four hour fitness, like pick you know, whatever
gym you're talking la fitness, like pick pick your gym.
Speaker 4 (13:52):
It's a terrible pickup game. How your local gym?
Speaker 2 (13:55):
I wonder if they realize that by winning the play
in game they'd have to play more. Maybe they weren't aware.
They just thought, hey, it's one last game, one last time, guys,
been kind of a roller coaster season, one last time,
coach got fired. Let's just go out on a high note.
And then somebody's like, a U, you got Oklahoma City
(14:15):
next round? Okay, and now two games in again, waste
of time for everybody involved.
Speaker 6 (14:22):
But what other games make you feel that way? Pacers
and the Bucks. Pacers are going home. That's a wrap.
Speaker 2 (14:28):
Yeah, and we do that look I maybe, uh, you know,
maybe be honest or Dame. If he's healthy, we'll be
we'll make that interesting. Orlando and Boston that's over. Even
though Jalen Brown and Jason Tatum are banged up, that's
probably gonna be over. It's just look around. We need
to get to the next round. T Wolves Lakers. If
(14:48):
it goes seven, great for everybody involved, fun fun storylines.
Anthony Edwards is exciting. You never know what he's gonna
do or say, or what report's gonna come out about him.
And then you know, obviously the NBA will get you know,
get to wet it speak on Lebron for another extended series.
But I just I look around and go, I don't know,
man like Piston's knicks that that might be a little exciting,
(15:12):
but we just need to get to the next round
and just and just to be competitive.
Speaker 6 (15:16):
Piston and Piston's knicks, that'll be a competitive one. The
Nuggets and the Clippers that will be uh, you know,
that'll be a competitive series. The Warriors and the Rockets,
that will be a competitive series. And and to me,
I think the Warriors in the Rockets is the most
compelling of of all these these first round games. It'll
(15:37):
be interesting to see if if Golden State can can
come back and double down, or if the Rockets show
that that young athleticism and ability to to play fast
basketball and and score, so that that'll be an interesting
one to watch today. And then you know, you look
at the Caves and the Heat. I think that's an
(15:59):
intriguing one too. I don't think that the Heat are
good enough to beat the Cavaliers, but the way Bam
has played, and if Tyler Herro can continue to play,
you know, at a higher level, that could be a
more maybe a more competitive series than might it may
(16:21):
have given off. But I think the most intriguing one
is the Warriors and the Rockets, I really do. And
the rest of them is kind of like, yeah, you know,
if the Magic Celtics series turns into a series, I
wouldn't be surprised.
Speaker 3 (16:36):
I just didn't.
Speaker 6 (16:37):
I don't expect it, you know. And I think with
the Grizzlies, if they were able to turn that series around,
it better be this next game. I'm not going to
write the Grizzly Grizzlies off, but the thunder looked pretty
damn good this year.
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Speaker 2 (17:37):
We do have a little bit of breaking news here
on the show, Lead to Lap.
Speaker 11 (17:49):
What is a development, guys, We had talked about it
earlier in the show about Laramie Tunsell smoking weed out
of a gas mask back into on Draft Day.
Speaker 3 (17:58):
Well, at least the video was released and upon for
the review.
Speaker 11 (18:02):
I think, after recollecting to my college days, I think
I did smoke weed out of a gas mask one time.
Speaker 3 (18:11):
It's hard to remember.
Speaker 5 (18:12):
But the breaking news, it's all coming back to me now,
oh wow, breaking coming.
Speaker 3 (18:18):
Back to it.
Speaker 2 (18:19):
Thank you.
Speaker 5 (18:19):
You guys are going to drop the jee running for Congress.
Speaker 4 (18:24):
This is great, great, ye this jass mask. It's happened.
Speaker 11 (18:30):
I probably was a sophomore in college. It could have been,
you know, somewhere around there. What I do recollect about
the incident was that it really burns your eyes. You know,
you think it's protecting you, but no, it gets all
up in your face.
Speaker 3 (18:43):
So you think it's protecting, well, protecting I don't know what.
I don't know what.
Speaker 4 (18:48):
I don't know.
Speaker 3 (18:48):
What I would thought.
Speaker 6 (18:50):
What it's supposed to do is is you're you're not
only getting it from your direct inhale, You're it's like
right there, like the contact is right there.
Speaker 2 (19:00):
You can't escape.
Speaker 6 (19:01):
Yes, you're not escaping, So it's not protecting you. It's
it's it's really jacking you up more. Yeah, it's awful.
I would not recommend it at all. You know, there's
other ways to do it.
Speaker 3 (19:12):
I thought it was protecting me.
Speaker 6 (19:14):
Your destination was losing when you started that.
Speaker 3 (19:20):
I'm going to be protected using a right good and
bad air out. You do know that smoke is considered
to be pollution. I appreciate the opposite of what it's
supposed to do.
Speaker 2 (19:36):
I mean, I appreciate the development of the situation, and
thanks for clearing it up here.
Speaker 3 (19:39):
On the earlier.
Speaker 4 (19:40):
That's what I'm here for.
Speaker 2 (19:41):
That's uh, you know, I think that's what I thought.
Speaker 6 (19:44):
It was protecting me, That was me to never depend
on me for any type of real solution.
Speaker 5 (19:52):
That might have been the best thing Lee's done in
a while, making sure everyone new that there was Yes, indeed,
there was a time when he smoke a gas mask.
Speaker 2 (20:04):
By the way, Well, speaking of the draft, we do
have uh, guy liamy Tunsel.
Speaker 4 (20:19):
Uh.
Speaker 2 (20:20):
Speaking of the draft, we do have you know, some
other speculation out there.
Speaker 4 (20:24):
We mentioned me it's about team trade.
Speaker 2 (20:27):
Well, we mentioned that Peter Schrager report where he said
that the Browns and Giants have been fielding trade calls
for picks two and three.
Speaker 4 (20:34):
Uh.
Speaker 2 (20:34):
Schrager also noted in that report that teams are interested
and are most likely looking at either obviously Travis Hunter
Abdul Carter, but also Ashton Genty and Ashton Genty is
now starting to get some love, as we've talked about,
not only just from the Raiders, but now there's some
speculation that maybe Ashton gent to the Jaguars could be
(20:56):
picking up a little bit of momentum, a little bit
of steam. Some people tied the Bears to him as
well too, And the thought is based on where Ashton
Genty is at, if he's gonna fall kind of in
that five to six range, that it could be Jacksonville
that does make the move. My question would be to
you guys, if that's the case, and he's looked at
(21:20):
and by the way, this is just updated now on DraftKings,
the Jaguars are the favorite to take Ashton Genty no
longer the Raiders. But if he's getting that much attention
now all of a sudden, why wouldn't New England just
think about drafting him.
Speaker 6 (21:36):
I know they've got Rumblind needs an edge. I'm telling
you they're looking edge, bro.
Speaker 2 (21:41):
But if he's that blue chip type player and they
need talent, and you can help Drake may by adding
a piece like that on your offense, why wouldn't New
England at four be a possibility for Ashton Genty.
Speaker 3 (21:55):
I mean they need to.
Speaker 4 (21:57):
That's the first thing.
Speaker 5 (21:59):
They might look at theirrunning back and say, we're good
with Roman j Stevenson Antonio Gibson like, I don't think
they need a running back.
Speaker 4 (22:05):
There's a bunch of reasons why actually, so I'm.
Speaker 5 (22:09):
Just saying that you're overdrafting at a running back position
that high in the draft.
Speaker 4 (22:12):
Some people don't like doing that. That's just not the
way they want to do it.
Speaker 5 (22:16):
Elliott Woolf will never show his cards as far as
what they're going to do, so maybe he could do that,
but that typically is not a move that many teams
want to make. So I don't feel like it's overly
a need for them. I think if anything, right now,
it's O lineman and they're probably feeling like they could
trade back out of that pick, get additional draft capital,
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especially with a new head coach, a new kind of
front office regime, and build up the way they want
to see it fit.
Speaker 6 (22:46):
I just again, I think they're I think they are
hell bent on getting a guy that can get to
the quarterback. And listen, if it's two positions that that
probably historically you look at me like Vrabel, is it
all in on that it's going to be an edge
and it's going to be a running back. So there
(23:06):
is that connection to to how he's he may be
looking at building the team, but I think in the
near in the in the nearest of future, it is
the edge and it is the old line that he's
going to focus in on. He's going to get one
of the best of those two with their pick in
my estimation, And and and if Abdul Carter isn't there,
(23:29):
I'm sitting here and I'm wondering, is it going to
be Jaylen Walker. I really believe that that would be us.
Speaker 5 (23:39):
I don't even know that it's a sneaky or guess
nobody for able to draft Derriarry right, Yeah, no, but yeah, anyway,
but I know he likes running backs. That's I mean,
he's you know, he played at Ohio State. You know,
we know who was there.
Speaker 6 (23:53):
I mean just his history with it and anyways, just
conversations I've had with him. He loves running backs and
he loves edge rushers. Like that's maybe I was speaking
like in terms of how I interpreted it. Anyway, Yeah,
I think that it's it's if Abdull Carter is not there,
Jayleen Walker to me becomes the most intriguing person for
(24:17):
that pick. If it's not going to be When they
announced that they were possibly going to try to get
t J. Watt in the trade if things weren't going
well with with the Steelers, knowing that maybe the Giants,
maybe Cleveland may may take Abdul Carter.
Speaker 3 (24:36):
If if New England is sitting there and it.
Speaker 6 (24:40):
Comes down between what Ashton Ashton gent.
Speaker 2 (24:45):
Will Campbell's the most likely.
Speaker 3 (24:48):
That's a good one. That's a good one.
Speaker 2 (24:50):
That's that's the overwhelming favorite to get.
Speaker 6 (24:52):
But I would say, I would say I would not
be surprised if Jaylen Walker was the guy they went
with in New England. You can build off of a
guy like that. He's versatile, he he's he's got all
the tools where you could use.
Speaker 5 (25:08):
Him Walker, though, do you have anyone else as far
as anyone else that you would pick, like Edge Rusher
or the kid from L s U, the lineman from
L s U.
Speaker 6 (25:20):
I think I think those two at that as an
edge as an edge. Yeah, let me look at my list,
let me pull up anyone else can draft, you know
besides him Door Carter and Jaylen Walker.
Speaker 4 (25:35):
We're gonna get you ready for tomorrow night, Michel Williams.
If you're Williams, James Pearce Stewart.
Speaker 3 (25:45):
I've put some time in with him. I don't see them.
Speaker 6 (25:47):
I don't see any of those guys being that high up,
do you?
Speaker 3 (25:51):
For what it's worth, I don't.
Speaker 2 (25:54):
See anybody Jackson.
Speaker 6 (25:56):
I don't see anybody outside of the two that I've
mentioned being top top five, top five guys.
Speaker 3 (26:02):
That's my estimation.
Speaker 6 (26:04):
I'm up on Piers Mike Green at seventeen. I like
Mike Green. Marshall guy, I don't you know, it's his
he can play. He did well at the Senior Bowl.
You know, he showed, he showed some people what he's got.
But I just don't see him being a top top
tenn guy. I don't see him being a top five
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guy for certain, I don't. I don't see any of
these other guys being being that. So I don't know.
The guys that stood out to me that I could
see in those positions are only two guys. So that
would be the only two that I would be really
on top of mind, front of mine that could just
pop off right here right now talking about him would
be Jalen Walker and Abdul Carter, which one is a linebacker.
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He's not even an age really, he's a linebacker. So
but yeah, I think that you could do a lot
with those two guys. So sorry, not sorry, they're going to.
Speaker 4 (26:58):
Go t Rex.
Speaker 2 (27:00):
They're gonna will Campbell.
Speaker 3 (27:02):
Yeah yeah, short.
Speaker 4 (27:04):
Arms are they're so worried about Jonas.
Speaker 2 (27:06):
I just like, is it is it really that that?
Speaker 4 (27:10):
Yes, it makes a difference.
Speaker 5 (27:14):
You can have some guys who overcome it, but yes,
it makes a difference. I mean again, the NFL is
a game of inches. It's never you know, guys are
never separated as much as you think in regards to
their talent ability.
Speaker 4 (27:27):
And sometimes it is the.
Speaker 5 (27:28):
Ability for one guy who's got longer arms to be
able to reach the guy he's going up against, whether
that's in past protection or in pass rushing.
Speaker 4 (27:36):
I mean, LaVar will tell you first hand buys your time.
Speaker 3 (27:40):
Short short, short arm guys.
Speaker 6 (27:42):
It's it's it's more, it's it's closer warfare like and
they're more under They're they're gonna they're gonna get a
hold of you, more underneath. Whereas longer guys they can
make the edge, they can they can make you have
to run the edge a little bit more. Honest, I
don't uh put it this way.
Speaker 5 (28:02):
Yeah, go it for like a shorter arm tackle. I've
always felt like when they shoot, their hands they better
be right because if they if they miss and they've got.
Speaker 3 (28:11):
Shoulder, any different things you can do.
Speaker 5 (28:13):
Yeah, well, well, what I say is they're done. There's
not really a way of them. I mean, they might
be able to redirect if they have really good feet,
but since they since they don't have the reach advantage,
it's gonna be hard for them if they shoot and
kind of miss where their hand placement is to be
able to then kind of redirect, like reset themselves and
not get pushed by or not kind of lose out
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on that bat.
Speaker 6 (28:35):
I would say, I don't totally agree with it, because
you're so compact you can reset like if you but.
Speaker 4 (28:42):
You're not gonna be able to shoot because you're not
gonna be stable enough. You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 5 (28:46):
You're you're you're missing because you're not gonna be able
to have enough. And this is not coming from me,
it's just the tackles I talk to.
Speaker 6 (28:51):
I just would think in terms of a shorter tackle,
I gotta be aware of their punch and and their
punch is going to be stronger. It's like, who can
do more reps on to twenty five. A shorter arm
lineman or a longer arm lineman. Like, usually it's gonna
be the shorter guy because it's less distance, right.
Speaker 4 (29:09):
Yeah, when you're coming off that guard.
Speaker 6 (29:11):
Yeah, that's why you put in my guard because it's
less space that they have to to, you know, deal with.
Speaker 5 (29:16):
So you put them on space and they shoot and
miss with their hands, they can't really redirect.
Speaker 3 (29:19):
Well, you gotta wait for them. They the tackles have
to wait.
Speaker 6 (29:23):
But it's not again, you're not buying as much time
with shorter arms when when the arms are long, the
defensive end has to to understand that that that guy's
arms can direct you upfield. A shorter arm guy, you
can close the distance because he has to wait. I
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don't have to I don't have to play any type
of real games with a shorter arm tackle because his
arms are they're short. He has to wait for me
to close the gap so I can go instead of
pushing him up field one, two, three, pushing him up
field and see what he's gonna do. Is he gonna
give me an inside lane or is he gonna give
me an outside lane? And then now we gotta we
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gotta dance from there. Because his arms are so short,
I can declare earlier and get to hand to hand.
It's gonna be more hand to hand combat that takes
place with that tackle because he doesn't have long enough arms.
Speaker 3 (30:17):
It's like are we are we boxing? Or is it like?
Are we using pugel sticks? You know what I mean?
Speaker 6 (30:22):
Like these guys literally have arms that are the size
of legs, like literally the size of legs, like the.
Speaker 4 (30:29):
Old Swarzenegger quote, not mine arms like.
Speaker 3 (30:32):
Legs and loos like people. Well, there you go, yeah,
there you guys.
Speaker 4 (30:36):
Remember that it's like smoking weed pumping iron.
Speaker 3 (30:38):
Yeah, remember that.
Speaker 2 (30:39):
He also had another quote there that we can't repeat it.
Speaker 3 (30:41):
What was it? Oh?
Speaker 4 (30:42):
Come on, Jonas?
Speaker 3 (30:43):
What was it?
Speaker 4 (30:44):
Why do you gotta send it a gut or every one?
Speaker 2 (30:46):
Not just when he gets when he gets a pump on?
Speaker 4 (30:48):
You know?
Speaker 3 (30:50):
What was it? Jonas?
Speaker 4 (30:51):
I love this.
Speaker 2 (30:53):
He he gets to the uh come on there the
crescendo multiple times a day, if you will, you know.
So I get it when I'm doing this, and I
also get it when I'm lifting and I get a
pump in. Dang, He's very honest.
Speaker 6 (31:10):
Could you imagine spotting him, you know, and he's getting
his pump pump in.
Speaker 5 (31:14):
Could you imagine Jonas thinking he's when he lifts, he's
anything close to Arnold Schwartzenegger.
Speaker 4 (31:19):
But he does.
Speaker 2 (31:20):
He mentally goes there, that's not true.
Speaker 3 (31:22):
He wants you try to act like you're Jack.
Speaker 4 (31:25):
All you do is cardio.
Speaker 2 (31:26):
Now, that's not true.
Speaker 6 (31:27):
He said he wants to start training with my son
at some point, so we'll see how that will record.
Speaker 5 (31:32):
Please, I want to see Jonas do anything other than
a rogue echo bike and whatever other exercise he's claiming
is doing.
Speaker 2 (31:40):
Oh, you're going to dismiss No, I'm not dismissing it.
Speaker 5 (31:43):
I'm not dismissing it. I'm saying you need to mix
up and vary what you do for your workout.
Speaker 2 (31:49):
You what sort of ohio are you your buddy?
Speaker 4 (31:51):
I just did it yesterday. I'm just saying you got
to mix it up. Can't be the only thing you do.
Speaker 2 (31:55):
First of all, the big difference between Arnold Schwartzenegger and
me is the fact that my son doesn't look like.
Speaker 3 (31:59):
The house keeper.
Speaker 2 (32:01):
Dang.
Speaker 3 (32:03):
Technically, technically you're wrong, yeah, but don't.
Speaker 4 (32:09):
LeVar is saying it looks like his housekeeper.
Speaker 2 (32:12):
That's like good cotton the weeds here, you know what
I mean. Hey, I didn't.
Speaker 4 (32:22):
Do what he did.
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Speaker 4 (32:36):
Are you guys superstitious? Are you guys?
Speaker 6 (32:42):
I'm not, like, not really, I'm I'm processed driven.
Speaker 3 (32:50):
I'm like, uh so, kind of pragmatic.
Speaker 6 (32:52):
Put my right sock on first left sock if I
really like, yeah, so.
Speaker 4 (32:57):
I was always left to right. I wasn't right to left. Hmm,
but same thing.
Speaker 3 (33:02):
Interesting, Yeah, yeah, that makes sense.
Speaker 6 (33:07):
I didn't do it based off of superstition though. I
just it was like my process when.
Speaker 3 (33:12):
I was young.
Speaker 5 (33:13):
I think I've told Jonas this, my my dad, my uncle.
When I like wrestled, it was like my first year wrestling,
and it was kind of early when we'd have to
go so they would give me like a tablespoon of
honey and no, it's just because it gives you like
a natural like little sugar high, which it tastes awful,
and like as a kid, it was not like a
fond memory, and then it kind of translated once I
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started playing tackle football in third grade.
Speaker 4 (33:36):
They're like, all right, because those early morning games and
so same thing.
Speaker 5 (33:40):
So then it became like superstitious though, Like even though
I hated the taste of it, I just like got
in the habit of always doing it. And like this
went for the point where like in junior high where
like everyone on the team was taking like a shot
of honey before the game and like to the point
where we were trying to like figure out where how
we could leave the honey bottle like some more on
the field. It's like marking our mark of like, yeah,
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we came here, we dominated we left.
Speaker 4 (34:05):
But I was it was so weird. I was always.
Speaker 5 (34:08):
Superstitious about that from like the time I was youngest,
when I first started playing tackle football.
Speaker 3 (34:13):
Nice.
Speaker 2 (34:14):
Yeah, I don't know if you need to do something
not I don't know if it's I don't know if
it well because I don't know if it counts. Is superstitious,
all right, And I'm not trying to be a douchey
meat head because it's not that at all. But I
always feel like I have to start every day with
a workout, have to and no, no, this is not
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I'm asking a question because I know that.
Speaker 3 (34:36):
And what does that lead to for you? I don't know.
Speaker 2 (34:39):
Just I feel like that's how it happened to something. No,
but I feel like or else what? I don't know.
That's just how I am, like, I have to it's
the first thing. I gotta do that, and I got
to drink a ton of water.
Speaker 4 (34:52):
Can we change? Can we change your workouts?
Speaker 3 (34:54):
Then?
Speaker 5 (34:54):
Because I feel like it's just we got to do
something more. I mean, I think that's insulting. I'm just
I'm just saying, if you actually want to get jacked,
we start lifting some weights.
Speaker 3 (35:03):
You are you guys?
Speaker 2 (35:04):
Are you guys are juice heads? I don't I like
to do I want to do it.
Speaker 3 (35:09):
Clearly, do not look like a juice So I don't
know where you go.
Speaker 4 (35:14):
You look like you you like cold press some juices.
You know.
Speaker 6 (35:19):
You know what I'm saying, I'm going on the carnivorous
diet because I'm still trying to like.
Speaker 3 (35:23):
Keep you know, maintain and keep this weight off.
Speaker 2 (35:26):
You know, carnivorous diet.
Speaker 6 (35:28):
Yeah, carnivorous, carnivorous And how you say carnivor carnivorous carnival.
Speaker 5 (35:35):
I guess carnivorous carnival. I like how you went there, though,
that's not all. You're straight meat. You're not eating anything else.
I'm just eating straight meat.
Speaker 4 (35:45):
Me mantals red meat.
Speaker 5 (35:47):
So I'm telling you I woult to create the photo
of you riding a whale, like you on top of
the whale guiding it.
Speaker 3 (35:53):
It's like that.
Speaker 4 (35:54):
There's the bar, like the mails.
Speaker 3 (35:59):
You know what h.
Speaker 4 (36:02):
What do you saying? Is written a whale?
Speaker 6 (36:03):
Be fo all right, it's us two pros and a
cup of joe.
Speaker 3 (36:08):
That's Jonas. I'm LeVar Arrington.
Speaker 4 (36:12):
Uh that was awful Jonas.
Speaker 12 (36:17):
All right, okay, all right, I'm speaking of Well, oh
this is this is gonna be uh, this is gonna
be fun.
Speaker 4 (36:34):
All right.
Speaker 2 (36:35):
So Tom Peliasaro had a report on NFL dot com
about Shador Sanders, just things he's heard.
Speaker 3 (36:44):
On and so you're going down a different direction. No,
this is much better.
Speaker 2 (36:49):
This one's a little safer.
Speaker 3 (36:50):
So we're going to stare clear. It sounds like.
Speaker 2 (36:53):
So according to Tom Pelasaro, the latest report on Shador,
one longtime NFL assistant coach at his time with Sanders,
was quote the worst formal interview I've ever been in
in my life. He's so entitled, he takes unnecessary sacks,
he never plays on time, he has horrible body language.
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He blames teammates. But the biggest thing is he's not
that good, said one longtime AFC executive. It didn't go
great in our interview. He wants to dictate what he's
going to do and what's best for him. He makes
you feel small. Even some of Sanders fans expressed disappointment
he didn't take a bigger step forward as a senior.
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I liked him the year before, said one NFCGM. They
did change coordinators, but it just felt different. It felt
less athletic, less arm talent, everything felt less. If you're
talking about this year's tape versus Jackson, Dart and Shaudor,
I don't think it was particularly close. So one last
opportunity to get your licks in on shaud Or Sanders
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before somebody takes him in the first round and we
all forget that this ever happened. But he's the big
name in the draft and he's getting body shots left
and right all the way up until the announcements are
made coming.
Speaker 4 (38:08):
Up to arm and it happens every year.
Speaker 5 (38:10):
You know, this happens every year someone gets bashed and
they start bad mouthing.
Speaker 4 (38:14):
Them, what have you.
Speaker 5 (38:16):
I do hate that people don't put their names on it.
I understand that's how this works, but I would take
issue with some of the things they said. Look as
far as his personality and all that, he is who
he is, He's gonna be who he wants to be.
If he's trying to dictate how he wants things to
go for him, I think every single player would like.
Speaker 3 (38:37):
To do that.
Speaker 5 (38:37):
In fact, they have their entire life up until this
point of the draft. They get the pick and shoes
where they go to college. They got the pick and
shoes where they're gonna transfer after Jackson State to go
to see you, so all those things, like, every single
football player has the opportunity to dictate to some degree,
how this is all gonna work. There's actually never been
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a time in college football history where players had more power,
the opportunity to transfer if they want, with the transfer
portal and how open it is, that the opportunity to
leverage their market value. That doesn't mean it's always going
to work out in the end the way they hope
it will a lah Nico, but they've never had more
power ever. So this is a generation that, through high
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school into college now has had more power than ever
before in order to dictate what they're going to do. Now,
that doesn't mean that they're always going to get it
right and they're going to say the right things and
do things that they're supposed to do or you'd like
to hear them do if you're an NFL franchise. But
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this is a different generation of player, Like the mentality.
I talked about this before, just how even parents look
at high school now and being having their kid in
junior high because in forty states they can now get
nil money in high school, so the process starts a
lot earlier. It changes the mindset of all these players.
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But in regards to the film, to sit there and
say never like I would one hundred percent disagree with that.
I've watched all of Shador Sanders throws from last year,
and to say he never throws with anticipation.
Speaker 3 (40:14):
That's BS.
Speaker 5 (40:16):
To say he doesn't show arm talent, that's BS. I
mean literally go back and look at the Baylor Hail
Mary throw. He's rolling to his left being chased and
he literally flicks it down the field forty plus fifty
fifty yards.
Speaker 4 (40:30):
Whatever it is?
Speaker 5 (40:31):
What is that not arm talent, it's not his lower body,
he's not addressing the throw.
Speaker 4 (40:36):
So there's two.
Speaker 5 (40:37):
And there's the throw before that was also a heck
of a throw. So there's there's an example for you
right there that is thrown back into the face of
whoever this is at the NFL level. And again I'm
not gonna try to go at that angle, but what
I would challenge is is this at the college level,
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all you're trying to do as far as what you're
a valuate at the NFL level is see if they
have the ability to do it. None of these offenses
ask these guys to throw with anticipation or in certain
portions of the field every single time to step out there.
Speaker 3 (41:12):
They just don't.
Speaker 4 (41:13):
I mean, some of these systems.
Speaker 5 (41:14):
It's such a start transition for the quarterback to go
to the NFL because when they clap their hands and
then they look at the sidelines, they're getting in a
play that's basically telling them who to throw the football to.
Speaker 4 (41:26):
In the NFL, you don't have any of that.
Speaker 5 (41:30):
So all you really need to see from the tape
and from this entire process of evaluating these quarterbacks, are
have they shown the ability to do that some of
the times? Like do they have the capability of doing it?
If they have the capability of throwing with the anticipation,
throwing with accuracy, whether it's the arm strength to make
all the throws they need to make, you know, the
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football IQ to make the right decision and go to
the right spot with the ball when they're asked to.
Because they're obviously performing at a high enough level at
the place they're at being asked to do what their
their systems asking them to do.
Speaker 3 (42:03):
That's why you're evaluating them in the first place.
Speaker 5 (42:06):
But that doesn't mean that they're going to tran like
all of a sudden, they're gonna be able to do
every single thing you're asking them to do on a
consistent basis.
Speaker 4 (42:12):
At the NFL level, it's apples oranges.
Speaker 5 (42:16):
So I take issue with people bashing whether it's shad
Door centers or a lot of other these other not
only college quarterbacks, but college players because they're not being
asked to do pro things at that level all the time.
It's not the NFL, so obviously you're not gonna be
able to see that all the time on film. You
just hope they're playing the way they're being coached to
at that level, to the best of their ability, and
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then you hope they can adjust and they can grow
and develop once you get in the NFL. So I
hate hearing this stuff because it's unnecessary, and to be
quite frank, it shows a bit of the ignorance too
at the NFL level with how they're talking about some.
Speaker 3 (42:51):
Of these kids.
Speaker 6 (42:53):
That's see to me, that's where I have a problem.
I don't have a problem with you doing your job.
You're hired to do a job, and you want to
do breakdowns other players and stuff like that, that's fine,
no problem if you have an opinion about that man's
talent and how that works. But when you get into
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he made me feel small. If I'm hiring and I
have people working for me and their job is to
find the best prospect and the best person to fill
a position at my company, and you come back and
you tell me that one of the reasons why you
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don't want to hire him is because he makes me
feel small, I gotta let you go.
Speaker 3 (43:44):
You can't.
Speaker 6 (43:44):
You can't work for me because there's something about you
that's going to cost us our possibility of having success
because you're making it personal. You're letting your feelings, your
own personal feelings get involved in this is business. If
that man can come in and improve our team and
make us better. You mean to tell me you feel
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a certain type of way because he made you feel small?
Is that about Shador Sanders or is that about you?
Like to even let that come out of your mouth.
That says a whole lot to me about how you
feel about yourself. Now I need to be evaluating you
as an evaluator, because how can you possibly fairly judge
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and measure this prospect this person. If you've already jumped
into your feelings about how he made you feel like okay,
you could feel like okay, this guy comes in. He
exudes what I feel a leader exudes. He doesn't exude
what a leader exudes. He comes across to me as
arrogant or da da dad. You can make observations about
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people's personalities without making it personal. I feel like, whoever
this person is that released this to Pelasaro about.
Speaker 3 (45:01):
What's going on?
Speaker 6 (45:02):
Has has he let his personal emotions get involved with
Tell me how you feel about all the other prospects, buddy,
how do you feel?
Speaker 3 (45:14):
What is your assessment on all the other guys?
Speaker 6 (45:17):
I mean a lot of these guys have very very
strong personalities. If you haven't been around cam Ward's name
hasn't popped up a lot.
Speaker 3 (45:26):
He's played this perfectly.
Speaker 6 (45:29):
He's allowed Shador and his popularity and fame to capture
all of the headlines. He doesn't do anything that puts
him out front. So he's done an excellent job. But
if you know who cam Ward is, you've been around him.
There are even videos of him and Shador mixing it up.
He's a super super overly confident dude. Nothing wrong with it.
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Abdul Carter told y'all, I'm the number one guy in
the draft. I should go number one. I should win
the Heisman. I am the best player in this year's
NFL draft, he told y'all plenty of times, overly super
confident in himself. None of these things and self confidence,
the self confidence that these guys exude, should not in
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the game of football and the game of football, none
of those things should be offensive or should be taken
personally by the people who are evaluating the talents I
think that's the disqualifier for me right there out the gate.
Speaker 3 (46:33):
I'll tell you what.
Speaker 6 (46:34):
If I'm about to like when we say football, think
about if it's in the medical industry. I don't want
somebody coming in to do you know, if you ever
met doctor Andrews, Doctor Andrews one of the most confident
dudes you ever meet. Doc, can you fix it? If
it's there, I can do it. If it's a body
part on that knee, I can do it. Like, I
don't want you coming in and be like, I don't know.
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I don't really know if I can get it done.
I don't really know if I'm good enough to do it. Like,
what do you mean he made you feel small? Like
that's ridiculous.
Speaker 3 (47:06):
Man.
Speaker 6 (47:06):
You need to take a look in the mirror. You
need to address yourself like I am bigger. Here's I
am big.
Speaker 2 (47:13):
This is the part that I don't This is the
part that I've never understood when it comes to these
reports about who you don't like and who rubbed you
the wrong way in the draft process and the interview process.
If you don't like him that much, don't draft him.
It's not that hard. Like I don't like his personality.
I don't think he's a good player. Don't draft him,
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that's fine, you get to make your choice. This does
feel like it's, well, he's got a name attached to
it and so it's open season. He's arrogant, he's this,
he's that like man, I don't know, Like, if you
don't like him, don't take the guy. But it feels
like this piling on is happening a lot more to
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shit Door Sanders, and it has in other prospects in
previous years.
Speaker 3 (47:58):
I don't think the Jersey were helps it either.
Speaker 6 (48:01):
I just think the timing of the Jersey retirement kind
of adds fuel to the fire and makes him an
easy target.
Speaker 3 (48:07):
Man.
Speaker 5 (48:08):
Yeah, they didn't do him any favors in that regard.
And look again, I feel for him. I feel for
some of the other prospects too. Who you know, they
get bashed for various reasons. I mean, how many teams
Jonas you said this before, how many teams wish they
would have, you know, pushed aside some of the stuff
you heard about Jalen Carter.
Speaker 4 (48:28):
The reality is.
Speaker 5 (48:31):
We're all humans, and whether or not we want to
admit it, we get jealous.
Speaker 4 (48:36):
And if you want to.
Speaker 5 (48:37):
Go find someone who doesn't like a top prospect in
the NFL draft, you will find them. You'll find them
on the team they just played for, even if they
look to be the most beloved guy on their team.
You'll find a coach it didn't like him at some point,
a teacher didn't like him at some point. They do
such extensive background checks and a lot of the first
round draft picks that you will find someone who's jealous.
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I mean, like there's just there's constant, you know, reminders,
Like in my life, I can think back to whether
it was a teacher here or there. I want one
particular kid in the back of my mind. There's constant
reminders of those things. We're like, if they had talked
to them, like, I'm sure they'd say bad things because
they're more frustrated about how their life went and they
don't want to see other people be happy. That's just
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part of the deal. That's how it works. And so
like the fact that some of this stuff comes out
to surface Super Bowl.
Speaker 6 (49:28):
Every time we're on radio row at Super Bowl, I'm
like looking at Brady.
Speaker 3 (49:31):
Like mother effort, kick his ass. I don't get out
of here. What do you mean what do you you
don't count.
Speaker 4 (49:39):
No one was saying. No one was saying any of.
Speaker 3 (49:42):
This exercise jealousy.
Speaker 5 (49:46):
Which night did we get hammered? It was it Wednesday
night or Thursday nighty night? Yeah, no one was saying
anything Friday, all right. We were just trying to make
sure we did our job.
Speaker 4 (49:58):
For at least the first sake.
Speaker 5 (49:59):
By the way, That's the last time I felt like
that in a while, by the way, But the general
point is, I think you guys could agree, like, even
now being on a radio show, there's going to be
people who are still like jealous of the opportunity. You know,
guys who either wish they're in your spot or they
don't want to see you succeed, right, they hate us
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because they whatever the case may be, And so that
it kind of falls in this category a bit for me.
Speaker 4 (50:25):
I will go back to one thing though, too. I
love telling this story.
Speaker 5 (50:28):
Then I'm not going to say what head coach it was,
but I remember asking about the responsibilities that they put
on their quarterback and the coach looks at me, he goes, hey,
may you see that house right over there? I said yeah,
He goes, nice house in and I said yeah, it's
a really nice house.
Speaker 4 (50:43):
He goes, that's my and I go, oh, really.
Speaker 5 (50:46):
I was like, and then we kind of got went
down this this whining road of oh it's kind of
closed and all this stuff. And he goes, well, yeah,
that's because we can bring recruits there and it doesn't
count against certain visits if it's in a certain proximity
of campus.
Speaker 4 (50:58):
And he goes, but you you know what I want
to tell you that I said was that he goes
because I got a.
Speaker 5 (51:03):
Big mortgage on that thing. I go, oh, yeah, I
could imagine that. And he goes, and I'm sure as
hell not gonna allown eighteen to twenty two year old
to dictate whether or not I can pay that mortgage
with the decision making out there on the field. He goes,
so I am going to make sure that the plays
I give him, I am telling him where to go.
Speaker 4 (51:21):
With the football.
Speaker 5 (51:22):
And I said, all right, Well, I was like, that
makes a lot of sense, Like I one hundred percent
and get that, so I will not be understand at home,
like that's the mentality is like there's a lot of
coaches who want they want to keep control and they
want to make sure They're just like, look, I know
I've got the right play call. If you just go execute,
or if I put the ball in this playmaker's hands,
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I know good things will happen. Like that's sometimes as
complicated as it gets at that level. And so when
you're asking these guys, then go to the NFL level
where they're saying, Hey, what's the front? Okay, what's the
coverage configuration? Are they going to pressure? They not like,
do I need to make a check here? Do I
need to run the opposite side? Run at them? Or
change them identifications? I need to change the protection, but
I need to change the route. You know, should I
get back up in a shotgun? Are are they mugging up?
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Is that going to change how the offensivelignment protect versus
if I'm under center versus in the gun. These are
running through your head at a rapid pace, within the
two to three seconds from you breaking a huddle and
walking to the line of scrimmage. That's all what's going
through your head. You have a protocol, and at the
NFL level, it's an entirely different experience than in college.
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So again I hate hearing this stuff, but I understand
because of the last name.
Speaker 4 (52:33):
That's that's what's gonna come with it.
Speaker 2 (52:34):
Do you guys recall some of the negative commentary about
you heading into the draft, because if you do, I'd
like to see if I agree with it, like some.
Speaker 5 (52:44):
Of the uh probably probably the whole jacked up thing.
And then people people were like, oh, it's not accurate.
I was like, well, my senior year, I would go
back to my junior year. So my junior year is
what kind of a bunch of draft was probably could
have left. I could have left after my junior year.
I chose not to want to be, you know, have
a chance to finish my degree in another year, to
try to win a national championship, all that stuff. But
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what people don't understand is we we had an injury.
Raymond McKnight, who is basically at our flank or our
z are off the ball wide receiver if you will,
he got hurt and so Jeff Samarga really was our
third receiver at the time, was Marie Stoveall, Jeff Samarja,
and Raymond mc knight.
Speaker 4 (53:22):
Well, when Rama got hurt, Jeff moved into.
Speaker 5 (53:24):
That spot and Jeff flourished obviously had a record setting year,
was incredible and he was just a great athlete, so
we really could have put him anywhere. And one of
the decisions that coach Weiss made was when Rama came
back that next year, he put him at our ex
or flanker. Now, thinking back on it, it probably would
have made more sense to put Jeff there. However, it
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would have been easier to try to take Jeff away
if you put him there, because teams would just play
cloud coverage. They would roll the coverage to the boundary
every single time, because that's typically, at least in Charlie system,
you're in right formation, so your your ex or your
flanker is going to be and then the back. So
I understand why they didn't do it, but they put
Rama there. Well, the difference was, you know, Rama was
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not the same type of route runner as Marie.
Speaker 4 (54:09):
Stofall, Maurice was like, you're a perfect X.
Speaker 5 (54:12):
He was big, so he could high point the football
even in contestant coverage. He was he was very specific
in detail with how he ran his routes. So a
lot of that because it's you're isolating your backside wide
receiver when you have a timing route, like you need
that guy to be as detailed and as like perfect
with this route running as possible because you're throwing the
ball before he's getting that spot. And I and I
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had played with him the year before, really, you know,
my freshman year, so I had a much different rapport
with with Maurice at that spot than Rama, and so
it just it took a lot to kind of get
some of that stuff going. And you know, are there
some drops or there's some mystos of course, like as
you're working through the chemistry and the timing of that,
but that's what one of the things always not as accurate.
I was like, okay, I was like, well, there's a
lot other things that play into that. You know, they
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don't you know, they'll look at completion percentage it goes down.
I'm like, well, I also got pressure decent not that year.
You know, our offensive line was probably better my junior
year than senior year. So there's oftentimes when I was
trying to throw the football away, trying to not take
a sack, and that stuff hits your your stats. But
that was how that was what people talked about, That's
what people would say.
Speaker 2 (55:15):
So yeah, I definitely too jacked. I would agree with that.
The other the accuracy stuff. I think that's kind of
a lazy, surface level critique of you not understanding the
whole scope of things there in South Bend. But definitely
too jacked, way too jacked, olive arm still way too jacked.
Most negative.
Speaker 3 (55:33):
No, No, let's go to break man.
Speaker 6 (55:35):
Why I was the number one rated player in the
draft and went number two overall. I don't really care
what anybody I don't care to try to remember what
anybody said about me.
Speaker 3 (55:45):
They could kiss my ass. Look, I'm still confident.
Speaker 6 (55:49):
I'm still confident you had something to say about me,
you didn't like yourself, just like I said about the
Shador Sanders comments. So they could kiss my ass. There
you go. I did sit very long waiting for my
name to get called. And you know, whoever had something
negative to say, obviously it didn't play a part in
where I got drafted to. So you know, kick rock,
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damn hard rock, No toe, no steel toe, don't kick.
And if you thought I sounded arrogant right there, it's
because as it applied to my football career, I was
yeah and still am.
Speaker 3 (56:24):
So what are you talking about? All right,
It's the best of two pros and a couple with
LaVar rating Winn and Jonas Knox on radio.
Speaker 2 (00:13):
How the hell we feeling on this Wednesday morning?
Speaker 3 (00:16):
Hey, good Wednesday?
Speaker 2 (00:17):
Yeah? Yeah, come on, bar Hi, come on, bar Hi.
Speaker 4 (00:25):
One day away baby?
Speaker 5 (00:28):
Oh right, yeah, we lives change. Yeah, and LeVar will
be there to tell you all about it.
Speaker 3 (00:33):
I won't be there.
Speaker 6 (00:34):
I will be in your in your ear, okay, Okay.
We gotta be careful about where I'm going to be
in on people because these days it's.
Speaker 3 (00:46):
Just it's just whoof man, you know, what do you mean?
You just gotta be more careful. But somebody may take
that the wrong way. You know, what do you mean?
Speaker 2 (00:57):
What happens?
Speaker 3 (00:58):
I should be laughing, I should be laughing. I don't know.
I'm just saying.
Speaker 6 (01:03):
I will be covering the draft though with Fox Sports
Radio Jenny Tadd you know Joe Douglas, you know, used
to be with the Jets, you know, back in the day.
Well I won't say back in the day, but he
what with the Jets and my man Jay Glazer. We're
going to be doing it tomorrow.
Speaker 2 (01:19):
By the way, if you're from.
Speaker 6 (01:20):
Fox Sports Studios, Fox Sports Radio, studios.
Speaker 2 (01:23):
I wonder if you're going to get in the intel
on what happened with Rogers and Sala and all that
from Joe Douglas.
Speaker 3 (01:29):
I'm going to ask, I'm certainly going to ask.
Speaker 2 (01:34):
Yeah, certainly, well you pass that along the following day.
Speaker 3 (01:38):
It depends, you.
Speaker 6 (01:39):
Know, it always depends because relationships are as clearly are
very very contingent upon what the relationship has to offer possibly,
so you gotta be careful on how you communicate otherwise,
you know, you just you may find yourself in a
(02:01):
situation where you don't get any more information if you
ever see them again or anything like that. You just
got to be.
Speaker 2 (02:06):
Careful, cuff up and take care of business. You know,
everything should be fine.
Speaker 3 (02:12):
That should go down as the quote of the year.
Speaker 6 (02:15):
If this jump continues to catch steam, it's a cuff up.
Speaker 2 (02:22):
It's wild. Congratulations to the Los Angeles Lakers, to the
York on the City thunder Pacers, congratulations, And I feel bad.
I feel bad for the Minnesota Timberwolves. Really, the deck
is totally stacked against them because you know, Anthony Edwards
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can't even point out what might be true in an
exchange with a fan and get popped fifty thousand dollars
for it, and then he's got to come in with
that on his back, having to deal with that, and
then also having to deal with the fact that, well,
you know, they're going to give a certain number of
calls and a certain number of advantages to the Lakers
to try and even this series and get this back
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to Minnesota and UH and and have it at one
one now. So it's unfortunate, fun game. They were getting
wiped out early. They closed the gap, but we do
have a one to one series heading back to UH
Minneapolis there.
Speaker 6 (03:20):
So, yeah, Minnesota played. They didn't play their best basketball,
you know, they did not. They were in a hostile environment.
Clearly they you know, didn't shoot well, didn't. It looked
like the defense did what it was was needed to do.
Speaker 3 (03:41):
You know.
Speaker 6 (03:42):
For the Lakers, Luca played much better, you know, scoring
it was a triple double, didn't he got to the
triple double, I believe, or maybe it was one point
away one something maybe away from the triple double.
Speaker 3 (03:54):
But he played, He played better. They they played.
Speaker 6 (03:57):
The Lakers played better, but I still don't think that
they played clean enough basketball where moving forward, going away
from La that they had that type of a game.
They were still Minnesota was still able to kind of
get close back.
Speaker 3 (04:14):
They got it down to like.
Speaker 6 (04:15):
Nine at one point. You know, I think that they
would do a game like this. I did not think
that Minnesota would sweep the Lakers, but it'll be interesting
to see because they played very poorly. They shot poorly,
and you know, the Lakers took took advantage of it.
(04:36):
And if Luca can continue to play the way that
he does, if Lebron can continue to play the way
that he does, which is do we question if he
can maintain the stamina. I think I was thinking to
myself while I was watching it yesterday. Can can Lebron
maintain the level of competition?
Speaker 3 (04:57):
Like how does that work?
Speaker 6 (04:58):
How does how is his body going to with the
turnaround time playing the next game. I think that there
were questions that that I had leaving the game.
Speaker 3 (05:08):
But I will say at least.
Speaker 6 (05:10):
They were competitive in their approach to the rematch, because
it did not look very competitive in the first game.
Speaker 3 (05:17):
And so it's going to be a series.
Speaker 6 (05:20):
You know, I thought that Minnesota might win it in
in less games, but this might be a series. You know,
they might they might need all the games to decide
this one.
Speaker 5 (05:29):
Oh you think it's going seven. It might Yeah, let's
hope we go seven. That's kind of good for everyone.
Speaker 6 (05:35):
Right, Yeah, it's good with players, it's good for the NBA.
Speaker 4 (05:39):
Well, I thought the physicality of the Lakers was the difference.
Speaker 2 (05:42):
That was just me, but that was the big difference. Yeah,
they needed to respond and twenty for twenty.
Speaker 4 (05:52):
As Chris Finch, I'll tell you.
Speaker 2 (05:55):
The t Wolves head coach, and I don't know if
this is Shade, I don't know if he was trying
to do, uh, you know, kind of let everybody know, like, hey,
you know, it's a little bit unfair how things were
being called out there. But the t Wolves head coach
did speak postgame about that physicality that you mentioned.
Speaker 3 (06:11):
Let's take a listen.
Speaker 7 (06:12):
They didn't really make a ton of like tactical adjustments.
They just were super physical, holding on a lot of
the screens and you know, being aggressive and trying to
jump out on a lot of screens and pressure in
the ball a lot more so.
Speaker 6 (06:25):
Uh, they did jump out on them screens. They were
they were jumping out on the screens.
Speaker 4 (06:30):
But they were jumping.
Speaker 6 (06:31):
They were jumping they I mean they got called for
it a couple of times. I mean, it was called
uh you know, but they just got they played poorly
and they got out played. Like that's you you can
say that that could Randall should have had five six fives.
Randall probably should have filed out of the game. Now, wow,
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I don't think that he did, you know, make the fouls.
They challenged them. They did get the fouls reversed. But
I mean, and in some cases, you know, those those
calls don't get reversed, especially if Lebron James is a
part of one of those calls. So they just should
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have played better, guys. I mean to me, when you
look at it, they got to play better and and
they got to protect the ball. And I just don't
think that Minnesota came into that game and it's almost
as though they got shocked by the way the Lakers
were playing.
Speaker 4 (07:32):
I think they two things to that.
Speaker 5 (07:35):
It was like a confusing defensively, you know, for the Timberwolves,
that the Lakers defense was like confusing them. And also
I think the Timberwolves just have to move forward, you know,
after that performance. You know, to your point, But again,
don't take it from me, take it from Anthony Edwards
or some of the players in the Timberwolves.
Speaker 2 (07:51):
That's a great point. I mean, and and you were
spot on with that, Anthony Edwards ant man fifty dollars
lighter in the hocket because all he did was, you know,
crank shame somebody at the in the first row. After
Game one, he spoke about it following the game.
Speaker 3 (08:09):
I don't know.
Speaker 8 (08:09):
It seemed like every time I caught the body kind
of went like a in a in a zone in
a sense. So it's kind of confusing at times. But
we'll watch film and be ready. It was up with
twenty something and we fought back and got back in
the game. I think what hurt was when we cut
it to like eleven and a third in the middle
of the third and then they went on like a
seven over run. I think that's what hurt more than anything.
Nothing better to be but to win up what we
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want to want.
Speaker 5 (08:34):
I mean, look, the reality is, you know, sometimes practices
in between these games can make the difference. Except for
the Lakers, it feels like they got things together after
week one or excuse me, in game one had a
good practice and we're able to apply it. Then in
game two, how do you know how about.
Speaker 4 (08:51):
The Lakers players?
Speaker 2 (08:52):
Okay, yeah, Bro, apparently Brady's everywhere. He was at Lakers practice. Okay,
So Lebron, is this true, your fellow Ohio, he was
at practice and he can speak on whether or not
you had a decent practice following that that embarrassing loss
Game one.
Speaker 9 (09:06):
We knew yesterday I practice made a tough practice yesterday,
and we went at it yesterday and one of one
of the best practices we've had all year. We kind
of knew coming out of that with type of disposition
we had to play with. We watched film before practice.
It wasn't good. Game one was not good at all.
So we're all competitors and you know, so that's what
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it took.
Speaker 6 (09:28):
Yeah, sure, right, and that is accurate. You know, Disposition
is a is a strong word. I mean, they came
out there with an attitude, and they came out there
with a willingness to get after Minnesota basically the same
way Minnesota got after them in Game one. And it
showed that now this isn't a team that was too slow.
(09:50):
They were too slow in Game one, like Minnesota was
running circles around them in Game one. They looked like
they were in slow motion. I don't know if it
was is because of the first first game in the
you know, the series is the playoffs?
Speaker 3 (10:05):
Is it?
Speaker 6 (10:05):
You know, based upon Minnesota just being faster than what
they are, the first thing you're going to think when
you see a team moving slower is, oh, there's the
beer can with Luca and there's the age with Lebron James. Like,
but they showed last evening that this is a team
that can match the physicality and they can match the
athleticism of Minnesota. In fact, they I mean they out
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physical them.
Speaker 3 (10:30):
You know. Rudy Gobert is probably like he probably.
Speaker 6 (10:33):
Went to the locker room after the game and was
looking in the mirrors like what just happened to me?
Because he was they were it was all kinds of hands,
you know, knocking the ball away from him every single time.
It seemed like he should have an opportunity to have
an impact on the game. They were too quick, They
were too quick to get to them for him to
(10:54):
even be effective. So you know, it's going to be
a series. It's going to be a series. My question
is ken Lebron James at his age, which sounds crazy
because he's not that old. But I guess in pro
you know, being an active player pro terms, he is
getting old. Can he can his body keep up with that?
And if they were to somehow some way match the
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physicality the rest of the way, can they you know,
can they do that the rest of the way in
the playoffs? Because let me tell you something, watching Oklahoma
and the way they play, they are for real and
in that age that people are saying, and you know,
what are they going to be moving forward? Do they
have enough experience to be able to get over the
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hump this year? It looks as though they're playing with
the type of energy or or disposition you know that
you know they're going to be They're going to be
a serious team to contend with in the West.
Speaker 3 (11:53):
So but it was a good game.
Speaker 6 (11:55):
I thought it was a good game other than the
fact that Minnesota could have played a lot better, a
lot of misshots, a lot of missed opportunities at times,
careless with with with the way they did things, and
and the Lakers they they jumped up and give credit
to the coaching staff. Right, we don't talk about Reddick enough.
Speaker 2 (12:13):
I have a question about Oklahoma City, as you mentioned.
I know that there's mercy rules in sports, Uh, there's
you know running clock.
Speaker 4 (12:23):
What an awful series?
Speaker 2 (12:24):
I mean, can we just call this after two?
Speaker 4 (12:27):
Like I mean, like, let's put the white flag.
Speaker 10 (12:29):
Just just move on, cut them a check, communition and
just you know, in the in the UFC, if if
a guy misses wade or they cancel a fight, the
other fighter who was depending on that paycheck, they'll like
work out something behind the scenes and cut them a
check to be able to pay for his training camp
and all that.
Speaker 2 (12:48):
Can you just cut Memphis a check for games three
and four, whatever revenue they'll get, give them like fifty
percent or like thirty three percent, and then can we
just move on to the next round? It's over, Like
John Moran hasn't even had an opportunity to break out
any of his arsenal, and we're having to sit here
and watch that waste of time series when everybody knows
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it's just going to be a sweep. Let's just move on.
Speaker 4 (13:13):
We know the ending.
Speaker 2 (13:14):
Can we just cut cut to the chase and get
rid of this? And I feel like we're kind of
in the same spot in several other series in the
NBA playoffs, thus far, this is not that much interest,
to be honest, No.
Speaker 3 (13:25):
No, you want you care to elaborate on those.
Speaker 4 (13:28):
It's a terrible matchup, dude.
Speaker 5 (13:30):
I mean it's like they can't stop anyone from Oklahoma
Citay scoring.
Speaker 4 (13:34):
And if you.
Speaker 5 (13:35):
Watch Memphis, like they seem disinterested, They're like, yeah, where
I win this one. It feels like a terrible pickup
game at like your local you know, pick your gym,
like twenty four hour fitness, like pick you know, whatever
gym you're talking la fitness, like pick pick your gym.
Speaker 4 (13:52):
It's a terrible pickup game. How your local gym?
Speaker 2 (13:55):
I wonder if they realize that by winning the play
in game they'd have to play more. Maybe they weren't aware.
They just thought, hey, it's one last game, one last time, guys,
been kind of a roller coaster season, one last time,
coach got fired. Let's just go out on a high note.
And then somebody's like, a U, you got Oklahoma City
(14:15):
next round? Okay, and now two games in again, waste
of time for everybody involved.
Speaker 6 (14:22):
But what other games make you feel that way? Pacers
and the Bucks. Pacers are going home. That's a wrap.
Speaker 2 (14:28):
Yeah, and we do that look I maybe, uh, you know,
maybe be honest or Dame. If he's healthy, we'll be
we'll make that interesting. Orlando and Boston that's over. Even
though Jalen Brown and Jason Tatum are banged up, that's
probably gonna be over. It's just look around. We need
to get to the next round. T Wolves Lakers. If
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it goes seven, great for everybody involved, fun fun storylines.
Anthony Edwards is exciting. You never know what he's gonna
do or say, or what report's gonna come out about him.
And then you know, obviously the NBA will get you know,
get to wet it speak on Lebron for another extended series.
But I just I look around and go, I don't know,
man like Piston's knicks that that might be a little exciting,
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but we just need to get to the next round
and just and just to be competitive.
Speaker 6 (15:16):
Piston and Piston's knicks, that'll be a competitive one. The
Nuggets and the Clippers that will be uh, you know,
that'll be a competitive series. The Warriors and the Rockets,
that will be a competitive series. And and to me,
I think the Warriors in the Rockets is the most
compelling of of all these these first round games. It'll
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be interesting to see if if Golden State can can
come back and double down, or if the Rockets show
that that young athleticism and ability to to play fast
basketball and and score, so that that'll be an interesting
one to watch today. And then you know, you look
at the Caves and the Heat. I think that's an
(15:59):
intriguing one too. I don't think that the Heat are
good enough to beat the Cavaliers, but the way Bam
has played, and if Tyler Herro can continue to play,
you know, at a higher level, that could be a
more maybe a more competitive series than might it may
(16:21):
have given off. But I think the most intriguing one
is the Warriors and the Rockets, I really do. And
the rest of them is kind of like, yeah, you know,
if the Magic Celtics series turns into a series, I
wouldn't be surprised.
Speaker 3 (16:36):
I just didn't.
Speaker 6 (16:37):
I don't expect it, you know. And I think with
the Grizzlies, if they were able to turn that series around,
it better be this next game. I'm not going to
write the Grizzly Grizzlies off, but the thunder looked pretty
damn good this year.
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Speaker 2 (17:37):
We do have a little bit of breaking news here
on the show, Lead to Lap.
Speaker 11 (17:49):
What is a development, guys, We had talked about it
earlier in the show about Laramie Tunsell smoking weed out
of a gas mask back into on Draft Day.
Speaker 3 (17:58):
Well, at least the video was released and upon for
the review.
Speaker 11 (18:02):
I think, after recollecting to my college days, I think
I did smoke weed out of a gas mask one time.
Speaker 3 (18:11):
It's hard to remember.
Speaker 5 (18:12):
But the breaking news, it's all coming back to me now,
oh wow, breaking coming.
Speaker 3 (18:18):
Back to it.
Speaker 2 (18:19):
Thank you.
Speaker 5 (18:19):
You guys are going to drop the jee running for Congress.
Speaker 4 (18:24):
This is great, great, ye this jass mask. It's happened.
Speaker 11 (18:30):
I probably was a sophomore in college. It could have been,
you know, somewhere around there. What I do recollect about
the incident was that it really burns your eyes. You know,
you think it's protecting you, but no, it gets all
up in your face.
Speaker 3 (18:43):
So you think it's protecting, well, protecting I don't know what.
I don't know what.
Speaker 4 (18:48):
I don't know.
Speaker 3 (18:48):
What I would thought.
Speaker 6 (18:50):
What it's supposed to do is is you're you're not
only getting it from your direct inhale, You're it's like
right there, like the contact is right there.
Speaker 2 (19:00):
You can't escape.
Speaker 6 (19:01):
Yes, you're not escaping, So it's not protecting you. It's
it's it's really jacking you up more. Yeah, it's awful.
I would not recommend it at all. You know, there's
other ways to do it.
Speaker 3 (19:12):
I thought it was protecting me.
Speaker 6 (19:14):
Your destination was losing when you started that.
Speaker 3 (19:20):
I'm going to be protected using a right good and
bad air out. You do know that smoke is considered
to be pollution. I appreciate the opposite of what it's
supposed to do.
Speaker 2 (19:36):
I mean, I appreciate the development of the situation, and
thanks for clearing it up here.
Speaker 3 (19:39):
On the earlier.
Speaker 4 (19:40):
That's what I'm here for.
Speaker 2 (19:41):
That's uh, you know, I think that's what I thought.
Speaker 6 (19:44):
It was protecting me, That was me to never depend
on me for any type of real solution.
Speaker 5 (19:52):
That might have been the best thing Lee's done in
a while, making sure everyone new that there was Yes, indeed,
there was a time when he smoke a gas mask.
Speaker 2 (20:04):
By the way, Well, speaking of the draft, we do
have uh, guy liamy Tunsel.
Speaker 4 (20:19):
Uh.
Speaker 2 (20:20):
Speaking of the draft, we do have you know, some
other speculation out there.
Speaker 4 (20:24):
We mentioned me it's about team trade.
Speaker 2 (20:27):
Well, we mentioned that Peter Schrager report where he said
that the Browns and Giants have been fielding trade calls
for picks two and three.
Speaker 4 (20:34):
Uh.
Speaker 2 (20:34):
Schrager also noted in that report that teams are interested
and are most likely looking at either obviously Travis Hunter
Abdul Carter, but also Ashton Genty and Ashton Genty is
now starting to get some love, as we've talked about,
not only just from the Raiders, but now there's some
speculation that maybe Ashton gent to the Jaguars could be
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picking up a little bit of momentum, a little bit
of steam. Some people tied the Bears to him as
well too, And the thought is based on where Ashton
Genty is at, if he's gonna fall kind of in
that five to six range, that it could be Jacksonville
that does make the move. My question would be to
you guys, if that's the case, and he's looked at
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and by the way, this is just updated now on DraftKings,
the Jaguars are the favorite to take Ashton Genty no
longer the Raiders. But if he's getting that much attention
now all of a sudden, why wouldn't New England just
think about drafting him.
Speaker 6 (21:36):
I know they've got Rumblind needs an edge. I'm telling
you they're looking edge, bro.
Speaker 2 (21:41):
But if he's that blue chip type player and they
need talent, and you can help Drake may by adding
a piece like that on your offense, why wouldn't New
England at four be a possibility for Ashton Genty.
Speaker 3 (21:55):
I mean they need to.
Speaker 4 (21:57):
That's the first thing.
Speaker 5 (21:59):
They might look at theirrunning back and say, we're good
with Roman j Stevenson Antonio Gibson like, I don't think
they need a running back.
Speaker 4 (22:05):
There's a bunch of reasons why actually, so I'm.
Speaker 5 (22:09):
Just saying that you're overdrafting at a running back position
that high in the draft.
Speaker 4 (22:12):
Some people don't like doing that. That's just not the
way they want to do it.
Speaker 5 (22:16):
Elliott Woolf will never show his cards as far as
what they're going to do, so maybe he could do that,
but that typically is not a move that many teams
want to make. So I don't feel like it's overly
a need for them. I think if anything, right now,
it's O lineman and they're probably feeling like they could
trade back out of that pick, get additional draft capital,
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especially with a new head coach, a new kind of
front office regime, and build up the way they want
to see it fit.
Speaker 6 (22:46):
I just again, I think they're I think they are
hell bent on getting a guy that can get to
the quarterback. And listen, if it's two positions that that
probably historically you look at me like Vrabel, is it
all in on that it's going to be an edge
and it's going to be a running back. So there
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is that connection to to how he's he may be
looking at building the team, but I think in the
near in the in the nearest of future, it is
the edge and it is the old line that he's
going to focus in on. He's going to get one
of the best of those two with their pick in
my estimation, And and and if Abdul Carter isn't there,
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I'm sitting here and I'm wondering, is it going to
be Jaylen Walker. I really believe that that would be us.
Speaker 5 (23:39):
I don't even know that it's a sneaky or guess
nobody for able to draft Derriarry right, Yeah, no, but yeah, anyway,
but I know he likes running backs. That's I mean,
he's you know, he played at Ohio State. You know,
we know who was there.
Speaker 6 (23:53):
I mean just his history with it and anyways, just
conversations I've had with him. He loves running backs and
he loves edge rushers. Like that's maybe I was speaking
like in terms of how I interpreted it. Anyway, Yeah,
I think that it's it's if Abdull Carter is not there,
Jayleen Walker to me becomes the most intriguing person for
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that pick. If it's not going to be When they
announced that they were possibly going to try to get
t J. Watt in the trade if things weren't going
well with with the Steelers, knowing that maybe the Giants,
maybe Cleveland may may take Abdul Carter.
Speaker 3 (24:36):
If if New England is sitting there and it.
Speaker 6 (24:40):
Comes down between what Ashton Ashton gent.
Speaker 2 (24:45):
Will Campbell's the most likely.
Speaker 3 (24:48):
That's a good one. That's a good one.
Speaker 2 (24:50):
That's that's the overwhelming favorite to get.
Speaker 6 (24:52):
But I would say, I would say I would not
be surprised if Jaylen Walker was the guy they went
with in New England. You can build off of a
guy like that. He's versatile, he he's he's got all
the tools where you could use.
Speaker 5 (25:08):
Him Walker, though, do you have anyone else as far
as anyone else that you would pick, like Edge Rusher
or the kid from L s U, the lineman from
L s U.
Speaker 6 (25:20):
I think I think those two at that as an
edge as an edge. Yeah, let me look at my list,
let me pull up anyone else can draft, you know
besides him Door Carter and Jaylen Walker.
Speaker 4 (25:35):
We're gonna get you ready for tomorrow night, Michel Williams.
If you're Williams, James Pearce Stewart.
Speaker 3 (25:45):
I've put some time in with him. I don't see them.
Speaker 6 (25:47):
I don't see any of those guys being that high up,
do you?
Speaker 3 (25:51):
For what it's worth, I don't.
Speaker 2 (25:54):
See anybody Jackson.
Speaker 6 (25:56):
I don't see anybody outside of the two that I've
mentioned being top top five, top five guys.
Speaker 3 (26:02):
That's my estimation.
Speaker 6 (26:04):
I'm up on Piers Mike Green at seventeen. I like
Mike Green. Marshall guy, I don't you know, it's his
he can play. He did well at the Senior Bowl.
You know, he showed, he showed some people what he's got.
But I just don't see him being a top top
tenn guy. I don't see him being a top five
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guy for certain, I don't. I don't see any of
these other guys being being that. So I don't know.
The guys that stood out to me that I could
see in those positions are only two guys. So that
would be the only two that I would be really
on top of mind, front of mine that could just
pop off right here right now talking about him would
be Jalen Walker and Abdul Carter, which one is a linebacker.
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He's not even an age really, he's a linebacker. So
but yeah, I think that you could do a lot
with those two guys. So sorry, not sorry, they're going to.
Speaker 4 (26:58):
Go t Rex.
Speaker 2 (27:00):
They're gonna will Campbell.
Speaker 3 (27:02):
Yeah yeah, short.
Speaker 4 (27:04):
Arms are they're so worried about Jonas.
Speaker 2 (27:06):
I just like, is it is it really that that?
Speaker 4 (27:10):
Yes, it makes a difference.
Speaker 5 (27:14):
You can have some guys who overcome it, but yes,
it makes a difference. I mean again, the NFL is
a game of inches. It's never you know, guys are
never separated as much as you think in regards to
their talent ability.
Speaker 4 (27:27):
And sometimes it is the.
Speaker 5 (27:28):
Ability for one guy who's got longer arms to be
able to reach the guy he's going up against, whether
that's in past protection or in pass rushing.
Speaker 4 (27:36):
I mean, LaVar will tell you first hand buys your time.
Speaker 3 (27:40):
Short short, short arm guys.
Speaker 6 (27:42):
It's it's it's more, it's it's closer warfare like and
they're more under They're they're gonna they're gonna get a
hold of you, more underneath. Whereas longer guys they can
make the edge, they can they can make you have
to run the edge a little bit more. Honest, I
don't uh put it this way.
Speaker 5 (28:02):
Yeah, go it for like a shorter arm tackle. I've
always felt like when they shoot, their hands they better
be right because if they if they miss and they've got.
Speaker 3 (28:11):
Shoulder, any different things you can do.
Speaker 5 (28:13):
Yeah, well, well, what I say is they're done. There's
not really a way of them. I mean, they might
be able to redirect if they have really good feet,
but since they since they don't have the reach advantage,
it's gonna be hard for them if they shoot and
kind of miss where their hand placement is to be
able to then kind of redirect, like reset themselves and
not get pushed by or not kind of lose out
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on that bat.
Speaker 6 (28:35):
I would say, I don't totally agree with it, because
you're so compact you can reset like if you but.
Speaker 4 (28:42):
You're not gonna be able to shoot because you're not
gonna be stable enough. You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 5 (28:46):
You're you're you're missing because you're not gonna be able
to have enough. And this is not coming from me,
it's just the tackles I talk to.
Speaker 6 (28:51):
I just would think in terms of a shorter tackle,
I gotta be aware of their punch and and their
punch is going to be stronger. It's like, who can
do more reps on to twenty five. A shorter arm
lineman or a longer arm lineman. Like, usually it's gonna
be the shorter guy because it's less distance, right.
Speaker 4 (29:09):
Yeah, when you're coming off that guard.
Speaker 6 (29:11):
Yeah, that's why you put in my guard because it's
less space that they have to to, you know, deal with.
Speaker 5 (29:16):
So you put them on space and they shoot and
miss with their hands, they can't really redirect.
Speaker 3 (29:19):
Well, you gotta wait for them. They the tackles have
to wait.
Speaker 6 (29:23):
But it's not again, you're not buying as much time
with shorter arms when when the arms are long, the
defensive end has to to understand that that that guy's
arms can direct you upfield. A shorter arm guy, you
can close the distance because he has to wait. I
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don't have to I don't have to play any type
of real games with a shorter arm tackle because his
arms are they're short. He has to wait for me
to close the gap so I can go instead of
pushing him up field one, two, three, pushing him up
field and see what he's gonna do. Is he gonna
give me an inside lane or is he gonna give
me an outside lane? And then now we gotta we
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gotta dance from there. Because his arms are so short,
I can declare earlier and get to hand to hand.
It's gonna be more hand to hand combat that takes
place with that tackle because he doesn't have long enough arms.
Speaker 3 (30:17):
It's like are we are we boxing? Or is it like?
Are we using pugel sticks? You know what I mean?
Speaker 6 (30:22):
Like these guys literally have arms that are the size
of legs, like literally the size of legs, like the.
Speaker 4 (30:29):
Old Swarzenegger quote, not mine arms like.
Speaker 3 (30:32):
Legs and loos like people. Well, there you go, yeah,
there you guys.
Speaker 4 (30:36):
Remember that it's like smoking weed pumping iron.
Speaker 3 (30:38):
Yeah, remember that.
Speaker 2 (30:39):
He also had another quote there that we can't repeat it.
Speaker 3 (30:41):
What was it? Oh?
Speaker 4 (30:42):
Come on, Jonas?
Speaker 3 (30:43):
What was it?
Speaker 4 (30:44):
Why do you gotta send it a gut or every one?
Speaker 2 (30:46):
Not just when he gets when he gets a pump on?
Speaker 4 (30:48):
You know?
Speaker 3 (30:50):
What was it? Jonas?
Speaker 4 (30:51):
I love this.
Speaker 2 (30:53):
He he gets to the uh come on there the
crescendo multiple times a day, if you will, you know.
So I get it when I'm doing this, and I
also get it when I'm lifting and I get a
pump in. Dang, He's very honest.
Speaker 6 (31:10):
Could you imagine spotting him, you know, and he's getting
his pump pump in.
Speaker 5 (31:14):
Could you imagine Jonas thinking he's when he lifts, he's
anything close to Arnold Schwartzenegger.
Speaker 4 (31:19):
But he does.
Speaker 2 (31:20):
He mentally goes there, that's not true.
Speaker 3 (31:22):
He wants you try to act like you're Jack.
Speaker 4 (31:25):
All you do is cardio.
Speaker 2 (31:26):
Now, that's not true.
Speaker 6 (31:27):
He said he wants to start training with my son
at some point, so we'll see how that will record.
Speaker 5 (31:32):
Please, I want to see Jonas do anything other than
a rogue echo bike and whatever other exercise he's claiming
is doing.
Speaker 2 (31:40):
Oh, you're going to dismiss No, I'm not dismissing it.
Speaker 5 (31:43):
I'm not dismissing it. I'm saying you need to mix
up and vary what you do for your workout.
Speaker 2 (31:49):
You what sort of ohio are you your buddy?
Speaker 4 (31:51):
I just did it yesterday. I'm just saying you got
to mix it up. Can't be the only thing you do.
Speaker 2 (31:55):
First of all, the big difference between Arnold Schwartzenegger and
me is the fact that my son doesn't look like.
Speaker 3 (31:59):
The house keeper.
Speaker 2 (32:01):
Dang.
Speaker 3 (32:03):
Technically, technically you're wrong, yeah, but don't.
Speaker 4 (32:09):
LeVar is saying it looks like his housekeeper.
Speaker 2 (32:12):
That's like good cotton the weeds here, you know what
I mean. Hey, I didn't.
Speaker 4 (32:22):
Do what he did.
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Speaker 4 (32:36):
Are you guys superstitious? Are you guys?
Speaker 6 (32:42):
I'm not, like, not really, I'm I'm processed driven.
Speaker 3 (32:50):
I'm like, uh so, kind of pragmatic.
Speaker 6 (32:52):
Put my right sock on first left sock if I
really like, yeah, so.
Speaker 4 (32:57):
I was always left to right. I wasn't right to left. Hmm,
but same thing.
Speaker 3 (33:02):
Interesting, Yeah, yeah, that makes sense.
Speaker 6 (33:07):
I didn't do it based off of superstition though. I
just it was like my process when.
Speaker 3 (33:12):
I was young.
Speaker 5 (33:13):
I think I've told Jonas this, my my dad, my uncle.
When I like wrestled, it was like my first year wrestling,
and it was kind of early when we'd have to
go so they would give me like a tablespoon of
honey and no, it's just because it gives you like
a natural like little sugar high, which it tastes awful,
and like as a kid, it was not like a
fond memory, and then it kind of translated once I
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started playing tackle football in third grade.
Speaker 4 (33:36):
They're like, all right, because those early morning games and
so same thing.
Speaker 5 (33:40):
So then it became like superstitious though, Like even though
I hated the taste of it, I just like got
in the habit of always doing it. And like this
went for the point where like in junior high where
like everyone on the team was taking like a shot
of honey before the game and like to the point
where we were trying to like figure out where how
we could leave the honey bottle like some more on
the field. It's like marking our mark of like, yeah,
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we came here, we dominated we left.
Speaker 4 (34:05):
But I was it was so weird. I was always.
Speaker 5 (34:08):
Superstitious about that from like the time I was youngest,
when I first started playing tackle football.
Speaker 3 (34:13):
Nice.
Speaker 2 (34:14):
Yeah, I don't know if you need to do something
not I don't know if it's I don't know if
it well because I don't know if it counts. Is superstitious,
all right, And I'm not trying to be a douchey
meat head because it's not that at all. But I
always feel like I have to start every day with
a workout, have to and no, no, this is not
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I'm asking a question because I know that.
Speaker 3 (34:36):
And what does that lead to for you? I don't know.
Speaker 2 (34:39):
Just I feel like that's how it happened to something. No,
but I feel like or else what? I don't know.
That's just how I am, like, I have to it's
the first thing. I gotta do that, and I got
to drink a ton of water.
Speaker 4 (34:52):
Can we change? Can we change your workouts?
Speaker 3 (34:54):
Then?
Speaker 5 (34:54):
Because I feel like it's just we got to do
something more. I mean, I think that's insulting. I'm just
I'm just saying, if you actually want to get jacked,
we start lifting some weights.
Speaker 3 (35:03):
You are you guys?
Speaker 2 (35:04):
Are you guys are juice heads? I don't I like
to do I want to do it.
Speaker 3 (35:09):
Clearly, do not look like a juice So I don't
know where you go.
Speaker 4 (35:14):
You look like you you like cold press some juices.
You know.
Speaker 6 (35:19):
You know what I'm saying, I'm going on the carnivorous
diet because I'm still trying to like.
Speaker 3 (35:23):
Keep you know, maintain and keep this weight off.
Speaker 2 (35:26):
You know, carnivorous diet.
Speaker 6 (35:28):
Yeah, carnivorous, carnivorous And how you say carnivor carnivorous carnival.
Speaker 5 (35:35):
I guess carnivorous carnival. I like how you went there, though,
that's not all. You're straight meat. You're not eating anything else.
I'm just eating straight meat.
Speaker 4 (35:45):
Me mantals red meat.
Speaker 5 (35:47):
So I'm telling you I woult to create the photo
of you riding a whale, like you on top of
the whale guiding it.
Speaker 3 (35:53):
It's like that.
Speaker 4 (35:54):
There's the bar, like the mails.
Speaker 3 (35:59):
You know what h.
Speaker 4 (36:02):
What do you saying? Is written a whale?
Speaker 6 (36:03):
Be fo all right, it's us two pros and a
cup of joe.
Speaker 3 (36:08):
That's Jonas. I'm LeVar Arrington.
Speaker 4 (36:12):
Uh that was awful Jonas.
Speaker 12 (36:17):
All right, okay, all right, I'm speaking of Well, oh
this is this is gonna be uh, this is gonna
be fun.
Speaker 4 (36:34):
All right.
Speaker 2 (36:35):
So Tom Peliasaro had a report on NFL dot com
about Shador Sanders, just things he's heard.
Speaker 3 (36:44):
On and so you're going down a different direction. No,
this is much better.
Speaker 2 (36:49):
This one's a little safer.
Speaker 3 (36:50):
So we're going to stare clear. It sounds like.
Speaker 2 (36:53):
So according to Tom Pelasaro, the latest report on Shador,
one longtime NFL assistant coach at his time with Sanders,
was quote the worst formal interview I've ever been in
in my life. He's so entitled, he takes unnecessary sacks,
he never plays on time, he has horrible body language.
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He blames teammates. But the biggest thing is he's not
that good, said one longtime AFC executive. It didn't go
great in our interview. He wants to dictate what he's
going to do and what's best for him. He makes
you feel small. Even some of Sanders fans expressed disappointment
he didn't take a bigger step forward as a senior.
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I liked him the year before, said one NFCGM. They
did change coordinators, but it just felt different. It felt
less athletic, less arm talent, everything felt less. If you're
talking about this year's tape versus Jackson, Dart and Shaudor,
I don't think it was particularly close. So one last
opportunity to get your licks in on shaud Or Sanders
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before somebody takes him in the first round and we
all forget that this ever happened. But he's the big
name in the draft and he's getting body shots left
and right all the way up until the announcements are
made coming.
Speaker 4 (38:08):
Up to arm and it happens every year.
Speaker 5 (38:10):
You know, this happens every year someone gets bashed and
they start bad mouthing.
Speaker 4 (38:14):
Them, what have you.
Speaker 5 (38:16):
I do hate that people don't put their names on it.
I understand that's how this works, but I would take
issue with some of the things they said. Look as
far as his personality and all that, he is who
he is, He's gonna be who he wants to be.
If he's trying to dictate how he wants things to
go for him, I think every single player would like.
Speaker 3 (38:37):
To do that.
Speaker 5 (38:37):
In fact, they have their entire life up until this
point of the draft. They get the pick and shoes
where they go to college. They got the pick and
shoes where they're gonna transfer after Jackson State to go
to see you, so all those things, like, every single
football player has the opportunity to dictate to some degree,
how this is all gonna work. There's actually never been
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a time in college football history where players had more power,
the opportunity to transfer if they want, with the transfer
portal and how open it is, that the opportunity to
leverage their market value. That doesn't mean it's always going
to work out in the end the way they hope
it will a lah Nico, but they've never had more
power ever. So this is a generation that, through high
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school into college now has had more power than ever
before in order to dictate what they're going to do. Now,
that doesn't mean that they're always going to get it
right and they're going to say the right things and
do things that they're supposed to do or you'd like
to hear them do if you're an NFL franchise. But
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this is a different generation of player, Like the mentality.
I talked about this before, just how even parents look
at high school now and being having their kid in
junior high because in forty states they can now get
nil money in high school, so the process starts a
lot earlier. It changes the mindset of all these players.
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But in regards to the film, to sit there and
say never like I would one hundred percent disagree with that.
I've watched all of Shador Sanders throws from last year,
and to say he never throws with anticipation.
Speaker 3 (40:14):
That's BS.
Speaker 5 (40:16):
To say he doesn't show arm talent, that's BS. I
mean literally go back and look at the Baylor Hail
Mary throw. He's rolling to his left being chased and
he literally flicks it down the field forty plus fifty
fifty yards.
Speaker 4 (40:30):
Whatever it is?
Speaker 5 (40:31):
What is that not arm talent, it's not his lower body,
he's not addressing the throw.
Speaker 4 (40:36):
So there's two.
Speaker 5 (40:37):
And there's the throw before that was also a heck
of a throw. So there's there's an example for you
right there that is thrown back into the face of
whoever this is at the NFL level. And again I'm
not gonna try to go at that angle, but what
I would challenge is is this at the college level,
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all you're trying to do as far as what you're
a valuate at the NFL level is see if they
have the ability to do it. None of these offenses
ask these guys to throw with anticipation or in certain
portions of the field every single time to step out there.
Speaker 3 (41:12):
They just don't.
Speaker 4 (41:13):
I mean, some of these systems.
Speaker 5 (41:14):
It's such a start transition for the quarterback to go
to the NFL because when they clap their hands and
then they look at the sidelines, they're getting in a
play that's basically telling them who to throw the football to.
Speaker 4 (41:26):
In the NFL, you don't have any of that.
Speaker 5 (41:30):
So all you really need to see from the tape
and from this entire process of evaluating these quarterbacks, are
have they shown the ability to do that some of
the times? Like do they have the capability of doing it?
If they have the capability of throwing with the anticipation,
throwing with accuracy, whether it's the arm strength to make
all the throws they need to make, you know, the
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football IQ to make the right decision and go to
the right spot with the ball when they're asked to.
Because they're obviously performing at a high enough level at
the place they're at being asked to do what their
their systems asking them to do.
Speaker 3 (42:03):
That's why you're evaluating them in the first place.
Speaker 5 (42:06):
But that doesn't mean that they're going to tran like
all of a sudden, they're gonna be able to do
every single thing you're asking them to do on a
consistent basis.
Speaker 4 (42:12):
At the NFL level, it's apples oranges.
Speaker 5 (42:16):
So I take issue with people bashing whether it's shad
Door centers or a lot of other these other not
only college quarterbacks, but college players because they're not being
asked to do pro things at that level all the time.
It's not the NFL, so obviously you're not gonna be
able to see that all the time on film. You
just hope they're playing the way they're being coached to
at that level, to the best of their ability, and
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then you hope they can adjust and they can grow
and develop once you get in the NFL. So I
hate hearing this stuff because it's unnecessary, and to be
quite frank, it shows a bit of the ignorance too
at the NFL level with how they're talking about some.
Speaker 3 (42:51):
Of these kids.
Speaker 6 (42:53):
That's see to me, that's where I have a problem.
I don't have a problem with you doing your job.
You're hired to do a job, and you want to
do breakdowns other players and stuff like that, that's fine,
no problem if you have an opinion about that man's
talent and how that works. But when you get into
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he made me feel small. If I'm hiring and I
have people working for me and their job is to
find the best prospect and the best person to fill
a position at my company, and you come back and
you tell me that one of the reasons why you
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don't want to hire him is because he makes me
feel small, I gotta let you go.
Speaker 3 (43:44):
You can't.
Speaker 6 (43:44):
You can't work for me because there's something about you
that's going to cost us our possibility of having success
because you're making it personal. You're letting your feelings, your
own personal feelings get involved in this is business. If
that man can come in and improve our team and
make us better. You mean to tell me you feel
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a certain type of way because he made you feel small?
Is that about Shador Sanders or is that about you?
Like to even let that come out of your mouth.
That says a whole lot to me about how you
feel about yourself. Now I need to be evaluating you
as an evaluator, because how can you possibly fairly judge
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and measure this prospect this person. If you've already jumped
into your feelings about how he made you feel like okay,
you could feel like okay, this guy comes in. He
exudes what I feel a leader exudes. He doesn't exude
what a leader exudes. He comes across to me as
arrogant or da da dad. You can make observations about
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people's personalities without making it personal. I feel like, whoever
this person is that released this to Pelasaro about.
Speaker 3 (45:01):
What's going on?
Speaker 6 (45:02):
Has has he let his personal emotions get involved with
Tell me how you feel about all the other prospects, buddy,
how do you feel?
Speaker 3 (45:14):
What is your assessment on all the other guys?
Speaker 6 (45:17):
I mean a lot of these guys have very very
strong personalities. If you haven't been around cam Ward's name
hasn't popped up a lot.
Speaker 3 (45:26):
He's played this perfectly.
Speaker 6 (45:29):
He's allowed Shador and his popularity and fame to capture
all of the headlines. He doesn't do anything that puts
him out front. So he's done an excellent job. But
if you know who cam Ward is, you've been around him.
There are even videos of him and Shador mixing it up.
He's a super super overly confident dude. Nothing wrong with it.
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Abdul Carter told y'all, I'm the number one guy in
the draft. I should go number one. I should win
the Heisman. I am the best player in this year's
NFL draft, he told y'all plenty of times, overly super
confident in himself. None of these things and self confidence,
the self confidence that these guys exude, should not in
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the game of football and the game of football, none
of those things should be offensive or should be taken
personally by the people who are evaluating the talents I
think that's the disqualifier for me right there out the gate.
Speaker 3 (46:33):
I'll tell you what.
Speaker 6 (46:34):
If I'm about to like when we say football, think
about if it's in the medical industry. I don't want
somebody coming in to do you know, if you ever
met doctor Andrews, Doctor Andrews one of the most confident
dudes you ever meet. Doc, can you fix it? If
it's there, I can do it. If it's a body
part on that knee, I can do it. Like, I
don't want you coming in and be like, I don't know.
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I don't really know if I can get it done.
I don't really know if I'm good enough to do it. Like,
what do you mean he made you feel small? Like
that's ridiculous.
Speaker 3 (47:06):
Man.
Speaker 6 (47:06):
You need to take a look in the mirror. You
need to address yourself like I am bigger. Here's I
am big.
Speaker 2 (47:13):
This is the part that I don't This is the
part that I've never understood when it comes to these
reports about who you don't like and who rubbed you
the wrong way in the draft process and the interview process.
If you don't like him that much, don't draft him.
It's not that hard. Like I don't like his personality.
I don't think he's a good player. Don't draft him,
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that's fine, you get to make your choice. This does
feel like it's, well, he's got a name attached to
it and so it's open season. He's arrogant, he's this,
he's that like man, I don't know, Like, if you
don't like him, don't take the guy. But it feels
like this piling on is happening a lot more to
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shit Door Sanders, and it has in other prospects in
previous years.
Speaker 3 (47:58):
I don't think the Jersey were helps it either.
Speaker 6 (48:01):
I just think the timing of the Jersey retirement kind
of adds fuel to the fire and makes him an
easy target.
Speaker 3 (48:07):
Man.
Speaker 5 (48:08):
Yeah, they didn't do him any favors in that regard.
And look again, I feel for him. I feel for
some of the other prospects too. Who you know, they
get bashed for various reasons. I mean, how many teams
Jonas you said this before, how many teams wish they
would have, you know, pushed aside some of the stuff
you heard about Jalen Carter.
Speaker 4 (48:28):
The reality is.
Speaker 5 (48:31):
We're all humans, and whether or not we want to
admit it, we get jealous.
Speaker 4 (48:36):
And if you want to.
Speaker 5 (48:37):
Go find someone who doesn't like a top prospect in
the NFL draft, you will find them. You'll find them
on the team they just played for, even if they
look to be the most beloved guy on their team.
You'll find a coach it didn't like him at some point,
a teacher didn't like him at some point. They do
such extensive background checks and a lot of the first
round draft picks that you will find someone who's jealous.
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I mean, like there's just there's constant, you know, reminders,
Like in my life, I can think back to whether
it was a teacher here or there. I want one
particular kid in the back of my mind. There's constant
reminders of those things. We're like, if they had talked
to them, like, I'm sure they'd say bad things because
they're more frustrated about how their life went and they
don't want to see other people be happy. That's just
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part of the deal. That's how it works. And so
like the fact that some of this stuff comes out
to surface Super Bowl.
Speaker 6 (49:28):
Every time we're on radio row at Super Bowl, I'm
like looking at Brady.
Speaker 3 (49:31):
Like mother effort, kick his ass. I don't get out
of here. What do you mean what do you you
don't count.
Speaker 4 (49:39):
No one was saying. No one was saying any of.
Speaker 3 (49:42):
This exercise jealousy.
Speaker 5 (49:46):
Which night did we get hammered? It was it Wednesday
night or Thursday nighty night? Yeah, no one was saying
anything Friday, all right. We were just trying to make
sure we did our job.
Speaker 4 (49:58):
For at least the first sake.
Speaker 5 (49:59):
By the way, That's the last time I felt like
that in a while, by the way, But the general
point is, I think you guys could agree, like, even
now being on a radio show, there's going to be
people who are still like jealous of the opportunity. You know,
guys who either wish they're in your spot or they
don't want to see you succeed, right, they hate us
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because they whatever the case may be, And so that
it kind of falls in this category a bit for me.
Speaker 4 (50:25):
I will go back to one thing though, too. I
love telling this story.
Speaker 5 (50:28):
Then I'm not going to say what head coach it was,
but I remember asking about the responsibilities that they put
on their quarterback and the coach looks at me, he goes, hey,
may you see that house right over there? I said yeah,
He goes, nice house in and I said yeah, it's
a really nice house.
Speaker 4 (50:43):
He goes, that's my and I go, oh, really.
Speaker 5 (50:46):
I was like, and then we kind of got went
down this this whining road of oh it's kind of
closed and all this stuff. And he goes, well, yeah,
that's because we can bring recruits there and it doesn't
count against certain visits if it's in a certain proximity
of campus.
Speaker 4 (50:58):
And he goes, but you you know what I want
to tell you that I said was that he goes
because I got a.
Speaker 5 (51:03):
Big mortgage on that thing. I go, oh, yeah, I
could imagine that. And he goes, and I'm sure as
hell not gonna allown eighteen to twenty two year old
to dictate whether or not I can pay that mortgage
with the decision making out there on the field. He goes,
so I am going to make sure that the plays
I give him, I am telling him where to go.
Speaker 4 (51:21):
With the football.
Speaker 5 (51:22):
And I said, all right, Well, I was like, that
makes a lot of sense, Like I one hundred percent
and get that, so I will not be understand at home,
like that's the mentality is like there's a lot of
coaches who want they want to keep control and they
want to make sure They're just like, look, I know
I've got the right play call. If you just go execute,
or if I put the ball in this playmaker's hands,
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I know good things will happen. Like that's sometimes as
complicated as it gets at that level. And so when
you're asking these guys, then go to the NFL level
where they're saying, Hey, what's the front? Okay, what's the
coverage configuration? Are they going to pressure? They not like,
do I need to make a check here? Do I
need to run the opposite side? Run at them? Or
change them identifications? I need to change the protection, but
I need to change the route. You know, should I
get back up in a shotgun? Are are they mugging up?
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Is that going to change how the offensivelignment protect versus
if I'm under center versus in the gun. These are
running through your head at a rapid pace, within the
two to three seconds from you breaking a huddle and
walking to the line of scrimmage. That's all what's going
through your head. You have a protocol, and at the
NFL level, it's an entirely different experience than in college.
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So again I hate hearing this stuff, but I understand
because of the last name.
Speaker 4 (52:33):
That's that's what's gonna come with it.
Speaker 2 (52:34):
Do you guys recall some of the negative commentary about
you heading into the draft, because if you do, I'd
like to see if I agree with it, like some.
Speaker 5 (52:44):
Of the uh probably probably the whole jacked up thing.
And then people people were like, oh, it's not accurate.
I was like, well, my senior year, I would go
back to my junior year. So my junior year is
what kind of a bunch of draft was probably could
have left. I could have left after my junior year.
I chose not to want to be, you know, have
a chance to finish my degree in another year, to
try to win a national championship, all that stuff. But
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what people don't understand is we we had an injury.
Raymond McKnight, who is basically at our flank or our
z are off the ball wide receiver if you will,
he got hurt and so Jeff Samarga really was our
third receiver at the time, was Marie Stoveall, Jeff Samarja,
and Raymond mc knight.
Speaker 4 (53:22):
Well, when Rama got hurt, Jeff moved into.
Speaker 5 (53:24):
That spot and Jeff flourished obviously had a record setting year,
was incredible and he was just a great athlete, so
we really could have put him anywhere. And one of
the decisions that coach Weiss made was when Rama came
back that next year, he put him at our ex
or flanker. Now, thinking back on it, it probably would
have made more sense to put Jeff there. However, it
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would have been easier to try to take Jeff away
if you put him there, because teams would just play
cloud coverage. They would roll the coverage to the boundary
every single time, because that's typically, at least in Charlie system,
you're in right formation, so your your ex or your
flanker is going to be and then the back. So
I understand why they didn't do it, but they put
Rama there. Well, the difference was, you know, Rama was
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not the same type of route runner as Marie.
Speaker 4 (54:09):
Stofall, Maurice was like, you're a perfect X.
Speaker 5 (54:12):
He was big, so he could high point the football
even in contestant coverage. He was he was very specific
in detail with how he ran his routes. So a
lot of that because it's you're isolating your backside wide
receiver when you have a timing route, like you need
that guy to be as detailed and as like perfect
with this route running as possible because you're throwing the
ball before he's getting that spot. And I and I
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had played with him the year before, really, you know,
my freshman year, so I had a much different rapport
with with Maurice at that spot than Rama, and so
it just it took a lot to kind of get
some of that stuff going. And you know, are there
some drops or there's some mystos of course, like as
you're working through the chemistry and the timing of that,
but that's what one of the things always not as accurate.
I was like, okay, I was like, well, there's a
lot other things that play into that. You know, they
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don't you know, they'll look at completion percentage it goes down.
I'm like, well, I also got pressure decent not that year.
You know, our offensive line was probably better my junior
year than senior year. So there's oftentimes when I was
trying to throw the football away, trying to not take
a sack, and that stuff hits your your stats. But
that was how that was what people talked about, That's
what people would say.
Speaker 2 (55:15):
So yeah, I definitely too jacked. I would agree with that.
The other the accuracy stuff. I think that's kind of
a lazy, surface level critique of you not understanding the
whole scope of things there in South Bend. But definitely
too jacked, way too jacked, olive arm still way too jacked.
Most negative.
Speaker 3 (55:33):
No, No, let's go to break man.
Speaker 6 (55:35):
Why I was the number one rated player in the
draft and went number two overall. I don't really care
what anybody I don't care to try to remember what
anybody said about me.
Speaker 3 (55:45):
They could kiss my ass. Look, I'm still confident.
Speaker 6 (55:49):
I'm still confident you had something to say about me,
you didn't like yourself, just like I said about the
Shador Sanders comments. So they could kiss my ass. There
you go. I did sit very long waiting for my
name to get called. And you know, whoever had something
negative to say, obviously it didn't play a part in
where I got drafted to. So you know, kick rock,
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damn hard rock, No toe, no steel toe, don't kick.
And if you thought I sounded arrogant right there, it's
because as it applied to my football career, I was
yeah and still am.
Speaker 3 (56:24):
So what are you talking about? All right,
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