April 30, 2025 • 62 mins
Wednesday on 2 Pros and a Cup of Joe, LaVar takes on haters of Saquon Barkley. Critics hate on Shedeur for his slide in the Draft but the truth is the Sanders family accomplishes what they set out to do. The Old P, Petros Papadakis talks about the circus that is the NFL Draft and who the Lakers will blame when they get eliminated.
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Speaker 1 (00:02):
Is the best of two pros and au Laars, Rady
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Speaker 2 (00:20):
And away we go, two pros and a cup of
Joe Fox Sports Radio, LaVar Arrington, Jonas Knox with you here, No,
Brady Quinn, I gotta tell you, man, why.
Speaker 3 (00:30):
Were you waiting for my reaction? You're waiting for my reaction.
Speaker 2 (00:35):
We gotta do something, Hey, b about the rampant ped
use in this place.
Speaker 4 (00:41):
If you keep using pd A and which batter way?
I heard you used it on me too, that's correct.
If you keep using that, something's wrong with us because
we needed to do an intervention. If you've been if
you've been suspended this many times, Ford.
Speaker 3 (00:57):
Well listen to He's on his way to to the
outer beyond.
Speaker 2 (01:01):
Right, So Saturday, you and I work Saturdays, and Saturday
Bo Benson, the executive producer of the Saturday show, was out.
Speaker 3 (01:09):
He was out, and I accused him of a pe
de violation.
Speaker 2 (01:12):
And then after the first hour, Shay was filling in,
and then he had to go, and then Ian Roddy
stepped in.
Speaker 3 (01:19):
So I accused Shay.
Speaker 2 (01:21):
After hour one of the pee violets, or maybe just
the hour one was so bad.
Speaker 4 (01:25):
It was like, look, I gotta go, somebody else got
to take over the show.
Speaker 3 (01:28):
I've here.
Speaker 4 (01:29):
I mean I did up on game and we crushed it,
and then we turned it over to Jonas, and Jonas didn't.
Speaker 3 (01:34):
Do what he needed to do. So it sounds like
to me, because say, was there for our whole show,
you guys are still in the air. I didn't know that.
Speaker 4 (01:45):
Look, you know what's funny they only have numbers for
one show on the weekend. Yeah. Yeah, that's a Shannon
Sharp move right there.
Speaker 3 (01:56):
That's a flex. Ain't enough bosses around here to keep
me off your head?
Speaker 2 (02:00):
Jonas, are you well, is that the tag team partner
you're looking for? Nope, but yes it was. Uh you know,
so listen PD violation. Hey, that's what it is. But
LaVar and I will take you all the way up
until nine am Eastern time, six o'clock Pacific. You can
(02:21):
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And we would like to thank the Milwaukee Bucks for
participating in any sort of significant playoff run in the
NBA for We're just gonna call.
Speaker 3 (02:37):
It the foreseeable future. We'll go ahead and go with that.
Speaker 2 (02:43):
Yes, so that's uh, that'll do it for the Milwaukee Bucks.
It was listen, it was fun while lasted. It was
a brilliant attempt. Congratulations to the Indiana Pacers.
Speaker 4 (02:55):
They weren't ready to go yet, they didn't want to go.
Speaker 2 (03:00):
But you know what, in the Eastern Conference, at least
that series has got some got some juice to it.
So I don't mind that series getting extended a little bit. O.
Same with with Denver and la As far as the Clippers.
Speaker 3 (03:14):
Go, oh they're going home tonight.
Speaker 4 (03:17):
Well, excuse me, excuse me. Yeah, you got the Clippers.
They they didn't want to go home either. We got
the Lakers tonight, and this will probably be their swan song.
Speaker 3 (03:28):
So yeah, I'm.
Speaker 2 (03:29):
Hoping that, uh, you know things, things get extended in
the Clippers Nugget series for the sake of Ben Mallor,
so you can have something to celebrate here.
Speaker 3 (03:37):
But nonetheless, the it's a rap for that series too, though. Damn.
Speaker 4 (03:42):
Yeah, I'm sorry. If Murray can stay home. He came
out hot yesterday.
Speaker 2 (03:48):
Why are you pulling up with the corner van first? Well,
I mean it was the first hour of my show.
Now it's the Clippers, then you got the Lakers. Why
are you loading up bodies?
Speaker 4 (04:01):
I've been I've been in a very, very confrontational mode
since yesterday. I was reading from one of my happened
to somebody who went to school with me. We went
to school, we went to Penn State at the same time,
and and he had this little community.
Speaker 3 (04:16):
Like change around here. You ain't lying, he Lee. Come on, man,
what you're doing?
Speaker 2 (04:27):
What is on TV?
Speaker 3 (04:31):
Is what you're doing with that? This is Coops show?
Speaker 4 (04:34):
Actually, Coop. What you're doing Coop? Like, all right, I
don't want to put it on Lee. If it ain't Lee,
what you're doing Coop? Well, I didn't put it on.
But this is a fantastic show. This is one of
the best comedies of all time.
Speaker 3 (04:45):
What is it? The righteous Gemstones things?
Speaker 4 (04:48):
He's got his righteous gemstones all over the television right now.
Speaker 3 (04:52):
By the way, what happened to John Goodman? He get
cut in half? No, he's being held hostage. No, I
mean just like in general, looks like, oh, because he's
slots smaller than he used to be. Yeah, yeah, he
lost a lot of weight. Looks good. Well anyway, yeah,
I've chose violence.
Speaker 4 (05:08):
I mean so so on this thread on Facebook, of
all places, Facebook, dude is talking crazy about Saquon for
being at the White House golfing with the president or whatever,
and you know, call them choice names. That are you know,
a part of our community when they do something, you know,
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when dudes do something that you know the rest of
the community air quotes doesn't like or whatever. And I
took exception to it. So I've like kind of been
on a I have a serial type of I've been
on I have a serial type of approach since then,
Like and I had time yesterday.
Speaker 3 (05:45):
What do you what do you mean? What was he saying?
I had time?
Speaker 4 (05:48):
Well, they go through trash, they go through garbage that night,
I tell you, that's what he called him, man, And
I'm you know, I refuse to accept that you're going
to call him, you know, the nocturnal animal that goes
through trash, you know, in the evening time.
Speaker 3 (06:04):
I gotcha, Yeah, right now, I understand.
Speaker 4 (06:08):
That'd be like me telling That'd be like me writing
a threat and calling his mother the same thing, you
know what I mean, or like one of his family
members that he really really cared about, like putting them
on blasts and then people were laughing, like the people
were commenting on it, like the comments below it, and
then I recognized some of them, you know what I mean.
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So I'm like, wait, hold on, like, so this is
how y'all like they started talking about how football players
at Penn State handle things. We apparently football players at
Penn State don't, like we would lower our eyes in
our heads to other black students, we didn't want to
talk to black students or yeah, it's kind of weird.
Speaker 3 (06:48):
It was a weird dialogue.
Speaker 4 (06:51):
The dude sitting there telling me stupid, the dude sitting
there telling me look at all, like read the room,
like there's all these comments about that. The players didn't
talk to me either, Da da da this that and
the other. And my roommates would ask me like da
da da this that.
Speaker 3 (07:08):
And the other. And I was like, maybe you were
a nerd.
Speaker 4 (07:10):
I don't understand what your your lens or your perception
of us is, because that couldn't be the most inaccurate,
you know, assessment of who, Like, maybe you weren't attractive.
I mean I've seen girls on there say yeah, they
didn't talk to me. Maybe you weren't attractive because I
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know every good looking black girl on that campus had
some type of relationship of some sort, whether it was
high by or beyond, there was a relationship. There was
an interaction there. Now, the dudes, I don't really know,
you know what I mean?
Speaker 3 (07:49):
I got it is interesting.
Speaker 2 (07:50):
Didn't you guys walk around with the shirt that said
sevens and up?
Speaker 4 (07:53):
Only the dude sat there and said, y'all was walking
around with your jerseys on this stuff. Ain't nobody ever
went around campus with their game jersey on or any
unless it was that period of time where guys were
wearing you know, pro players jerseys. But he dude was
talking like we was walking around with with our jerseys.
Speaker 3 (08:14):
On campus, like like that was our come up.
Speaker 2 (08:17):
And this is all because Saquon Barkley dared to visit
the White.
Speaker 4 (08:20):
House and golf flew on Air Force one golf with
the president.
Speaker 3 (08:25):
Are they more outraged because it's called the White House?
Speaker 4 (08:28):
I think they're outraged because they want to have something
to be outraged about.
Speaker 3 (08:32):
I just thought it was.
Speaker 4 (08:34):
I thought, you know, from what we come from and
and and a lot of us have had to endure
to get to where we are. In life, it's like, oh,
these guys make it to the Promised Land and then
they forget about where they came from.
Speaker 3 (08:48):
And I said, I told dude, I said, do you.
Speaker 4 (08:50):
Realize a lot of guys, a lot of us go
broke because we reach back. A lot of us lose
our money because we're steady helping dumb asses like you,
like you need something, we help, no questions asked. Don't
nobody else get treat. Nobody's coming at you asking you
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for the same things that guys that make it to
the league are asked for.
Speaker 3 (09:15):
And and yet.
Speaker 4 (09:16):
At the drop of a hat, at the drop of
a dime, you can have a problem with with one
of one of our guts. And what bothered me was
one is Saquon Likeon is like all of them are
like baby bros to me. And I'm super proud of Saquon.
I'm super proud of what he's accomplished. And just to
be sitting there like they were getting on the fact
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that you know, he's he's married to a white girl, Like,
so what you're talking about, check the temperature of the room.
Speaker 2 (09:47):
I mean, for what it's worth, I'm not so at
least that kind of cancels it out.
Speaker 4 (09:51):
All I'm gonna say. All I would say is got
one first off. First off, so.
Speaker 3 (09:57):
I didn't hold up by into the bargain. It's like,
why are you paying attention to Why are you paying attention.
Speaker 4 (10:05):
To who that man loves? First of all? And this
is twenty twenty five, Jack, Like, be happy that is
a woman. Be happy that it's a woman. That's a
woman that I identifies as a woman and and doesn't
need any other pronouns added to you know, he's she, him, her.
Speaker 3 (10:27):
You're making things too complicated for me.
Speaker 4 (10:31):
If it's got to be that complicated to stay you know,
locked in to your own community.
Speaker 3 (10:37):
Of race, racial background. Oh, I just you know, I
don't know, man, that's wild.
Speaker 4 (10:44):
The tyebit perplexing to me, Like like you're Uncle Tom.
Speaker 3 (10:48):
Or you're you're the old you know, you're you're you're
the animal that comes out nets in.
Speaker 4 (10:52):
The trash at night because you're living your life like
you're you're you're pushing yourself. So you're basing any and
everything that a president has done off of off of
an athlete visiting or playing golf or being in the
mix of things.
Speaker 3 (11:12):
It's kind of state College. There you go, what's going
on there? The weather is a tornado? Oh they have
a they have a dirt devil in State College. Oh
that's sweet.
Speaker 2 (11:25):
What Yeah, look at that like the dirt devil. It's
like a like a dirt torn like an upside down
dirt tornado, like a dirt tornado. Anyway, I'm such a nerd.
Speaker 3 (11:35):
I gotta get a.
Speaker 4 (11:36):
Line speaking of speaking of State College, go figure and not.
You know, I just never knew. I never knew that
cats wasn't cool. That's why I learned yesterday. And like
seeing the certain people on there that were commenting and
laughing and this that and the other, like this is
funny because you know, at somebody else's expense, he went
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to the White House, somebody that represents your institution. You
got it listed on your information that you went to
the Pennsylvania State University. Like you're leveraging that. But you
sit here and you talk all this crazy mad head
about it, like nothing was ever nothing's ever going to
be perfect. The things that you experience in school, you're learning,
you're growing. People come from different backgrounds, of course, you're
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going to experience different things, whether it be prejudice, whether
it be racism, whether it be sexism, You're going to
experience different things. Because college is a microcosm of the
real world, you're going to experience different things. I just
thought it was interesting that they chose to They chose
to pinpoint Saquon and then generalize basically the entire football
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population outside of who I guess they conveniently who they're
cool with, who.
Speaker 3 (12:50):
They're bros with.
Speaker 4 (12:51):
Outside of the few that they're cool with that they're
comfortable about, the rest of us are just the same
as Saquon, which, by the way, I have no problem
being the same as Saquon. If that's the comparison, If
that's the cop that you want to put me into,
I have no problem being that guy.
Speaker 3 (13:10):
That's what you're feeling.
Speaker 2 (13:11):
So everything I've heard about Saquon Barkley is great, dude.
Speaker 4 (13:15):
One of the most phenomenal, humble, cool dudes you'll ever meet.
Speaker 3 (13:20):
Yeah, like they're super cool.
Speaker 2 (13:21):
There's there's no draw even after the Giants. Basically, no, no,
we don't want to remember, like we remember. We talked
about it on the air to where it was like
he could have stayed out and still he showed up.
Speaker 3 (13:33):
He still showed up early.
Speaker 2 (13:34):
He was still part of the team, even though you
know there was a franchise tag with a little juice
attitude or whatever you want to call it. Still showed up,
still had nothing but kind things to say, even as
the you know, Giants fans were attacking him like still
like took the high road, has always taken the high roads.
Speaker 4 (13:54):
Rushing record, single season rushing record, could have broke it.
And and Guy wins the best best, what's best for
the team is what I want to do.
Speaker 2 (14:01):
Guy wins the Super Bowl gets an opportunity to go
to the White.
Speaker 3 (14:05):
House, because that's what you do, is go to the
White House.
Speaker 2 (14:09):
Yes, and he's something he'd each, Yeah, I don't get it.
Speaker 3 (14:18):
Bruh.
Speaker 4 (14:19):
And and then and then people wonder why there be
so much divide and so much friction bro like on god, bruh,
Like it makes me I don't even want to go there,
because you know, I don't really I'm getting old, and
my filter is starting to run low.
Speaker 3 (14:37):
It's really starting to run low. At my tolerance level.
Speaker 4 (14:40):
Is so low, and and and every once in a while,
I be really ready to say what I'm really thinking
and what I'm really feeling. I'm a refrain. I'm a refrain.
But that's something crazy, that's crazy. That's crazy. That young
man is doing the best he can to be the
best he can be in his life and make a
difference for himself and his family and the people that
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matter in his life. You should be you should be
honoring that young man for what he's accomplishing. I guess,
I guess if he's not there, what's like. You're happy
he's not there, but you showed him. You're happy, You're
happy he's not there. But in reality, if you really
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think about it, you should be upset if he's not
there because we weren't always able to be there. You
see somebody with a place at the table, and you
got to You got.
Speaker 3 (15:35):
An issue with him because of what you feel about
the other person.
Speaker 4 (15:40):
You're mad at him for going to the representation of
our entire free world country. He's there, and you got
an issue with him because you got an issue with
who the president is.
Speaker 3 (15:51):
Uh? Do you remember when? Uh?
Speaker 2 (15:53):
And this is way back, but I don't know if
this was talked about when you were in DC, But
you remember when Washington that then Redskins won the Super
Bowl went and visited the White House, Ronald Reagan was
the president, and Ricky Sanders, who was a wide receiver
for Washington Rooky caught a pass at the White House
and he was being celebrated, and there was all this
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like it was a big big I don't like, I
never heard anything about that being an issue with anybody
being there. I just thought it was, well, like that's
what you do. It's like, there is no black or white.
It's you show up. Obama was black, and white players
who may have voted Republicans show I never I never
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heard of this until now, and now it's a big deal.
Speaker 3 (16:40):
I just I just care.
Speaker 4 (16:43):
You can have your beliefs and you can have your
you know what you feel about things. I tend to
stay away from politics because it's just it's it's just
it's a no win situation. You're never going to convince
anybody anything other So just do you make sure you
vote so your voice is heard. So if if you win,
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you could say you did your part. If you lose,
you tried. Bottom line, I don't get involved in it.
But when you start launching personal attacks like and for
what you should be you should be happy that that
man is representing your university in such a large forum,
and yet you're joking about it and making making real
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like harsh assessments and and and throwing out that name,
like like take the name and add sa Quon say
say at and at the end of it.
Speaker 3 (17:38):
And that's what he was calling him in the in
the post.
Speaker 4 (17:41):
Right like like I'm getting older, Like I don't, I
don't feel the need to want like like the old me,
i'd have been like we on site, Like it's on site.
If I see you, I'm gonna punch you on your
mother f in mouth right on site. But we're I'm
at now, I'm growing, I'm growing, I'm growing as a person.
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And it just irritates me when black people do that,
when my own people, my representation of who I am.
I hate that ass broh. I hate it with a
support like like I was just talking yesterday yesterday about
what Bud Crawford said. Bud Crawford says, why do you
have to choose sides when it's when it's one of
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us fighting.
Speaker 3 (18:25):
We choose sides.
Speaker 4 (18:28):
When it's when it's a different group of people, when
it's say, say it's a Tyson Fury group of people
says the Gypsies.
Speaker 3 (18:35):
The Gypsies they bruh.
Speaker 4 (18:37):
They gonna celebrate one another and then they're gonna go
drink some pops after they're done. If they're Mexican, they're
gonna they're gonna celebrate one another, like celebrate both fighters.
We seem to be the only group of people that
enjoys and gets pleasure out of attacking one another. When
we see somebody being successful, it's the craziest thing to me.
Speaker 2 (19:00):
I was in Vegas for the because we did shows
out there for Fox Sports Radio for the McGregor Mayweather
fight Man. The Irish showed up, just like the English
showed up when Ricky Hatton fought him, just like there's
there's this you know, like you show up and there
there is a support to it.
Speaker 3 (19:18):
That's a different level of support that doesn't feels as top.
Speaker 4 (19:23):
Like if you want to use the excuse against a
different racial group, like I get it, I get it.
You want to use it like you want to use
the reasoning we've been done wrong.
Speaker 3 (19:36):
Right chusing against somebody else? Why you're using it against
your old people. It's the weird Like, bro.
Speaker 4 (19:44):
I'm getting old. I keep telling y'all, and my resistance
is low. So I'm gonna just tell people how I
feel because I don't care anymore. I don't care about validation.
I don't care if it's politically correct. I don't care
if it's right to you or if it made you happy.
I don't care if you're not black and you're list
name right now and it's like, oh, where's Brady?
Speaker 3 (20:03):
We will now. I don't care for.
Speaker 2 (20:05):
What it's worth. I didn't know you were black until
like twenty minutes. I'm black, brother, I'm black and super
proud of it. Hey, I don't Hey, I'm not no token. Now,
don't don't get it twicted, because I'll chip your two.
Speaker 5 (20:18):
And what am I?
Speaker 3 (20:19):
You're white? Real white? Yeah? I mean you're a vampire.
Yeah right.
Speaker 4 (20:23):
I just is what it is. I don't know what
Lee is though, Lee. I don't know what to call Lee.
That's the thing I get. I get.
Speaker 3 (20:31):
I get a tad bit confused as to what is he?
Speaker 4 (20:33):
A conquist the door is he?
Speaker 3 (20:36):
He dabbles way? What is he?
Speaker 4 (20:39):
I get confused on Loreena. I'm confused on the whole
back room. But it doesn't matter.
Speaker 3 (20:43):
I got love for all of us. She's from cous bag.
I got love for everybody. Man.
Speaker 4 (20:48):
Why can't people just you don't have to pick sides.
It's the morrow of this story. And leave Saquan alone.
Quon is just fine. Leave him, Leave him alone.
Speaker 3 (20:58):
No borders, baby, old boy, you did love. Shouldn't have borders.
Speaker 1 (21:03):
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Speaker 2 (21:16):
We've got some good news, good news for the NFL
that we're going to start this hour with, and it's
involving the Draft. So the NFL says that draft viewership
this year was up eleven percent over last year on
Night one, it was up forty eight percent on Day
two and forty three percent on Day three.
Speaker 3 (21:40):
Why do you think that was lebar? Why do you
think the draft viewership was up this year? I mean.
Speaker 4 (21:46):
Again, And the quick and short of it is the
Shador Sanders storyline. I mean, that's the great I was
about to give you a whole but I ain't in
the move. Yeah, it's the Chador Sanders storyline. And you know,
a lot of people made a point to to say,
he takes credit, you know, or you should you know,
have him take a bow, and the NFL should you know,
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applaud him and he should be compensated for carrying a
draft largely in part that had no real hype coming
into the day itself or the day's plural.
Speaker 2 (22:22):
Well, Chris Carter uh the Hall of Famer Uh. He
was speaking about the shad Or Sanders situation. He was
on fully loaded and had this to.
Speaker 6 (22:32):
Say, let me tell you what he understands today.
Speaker 5 (22:34):
Okay, he ain't running.
Speaker 6 (22:37):
Okay, let me tell you what they taught him, A
great lesson. Okay, Like you don't have this figured out,
your dad, don't have this figured out?
Speaker 3 (22:44):
Whose they and a fast world?
Speaker 1 (22:47):
No?
Speaker 5 (22:47):
Who tell you said they taught him?
Speaker 3 (22:48):
I'm just curious, like, well, the system, the system.
Speaker 5 (22:50):
There's a system out there. Man, Like you're you're going
for a job interview.
Speaker 6 (22:55):
So for his job interview, he was so concerned about, oh,
what his outfit was. His necklace was over one hundred grand.
He hadn't even convinced people that you're the face of
our franchise. Matter of fact, he had convinced people that
they were better off going in a different direction, even
with people who had lesser talent.
Speaker 3 (23:12):
That's the rub he put on the people. That's the case.
That's a bad interview, bro. No, it is the case.
Speaker 6 (23:17):
He didn't get drafted, right, it's no speculation.
Speaker 5 (23:20):
Like we're through the draft.
Speaker 3 (23:22):
We through three days.
Speaker 6 (23:23):
He threw away at least thirty to fifty million dollars.
Speaker 2 (23:28):
So that is uh, that is Chris Carter airing out
Shador Sanders for the thirty to fifty million dollars.
Speaker 4 (23:37):
Is he airing him out or is he It's perspective.
It's perspective. Everything is going to be speculation though. That's
the bottom line. Like, as much as it makes sense
what he's saying, that still could be speculation. Yeah, he
knows a lot of people. Chris Carter is very well connected.
But still nonetheless unless you're in those war rooms. Because
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some people have very different different opinions of it. I mean,
people have said he bombed out, you know his interviews.
Some people said that he just wasn't that good. Some
people have debated that he was that good. Some people
debated that he was in colla. I guess consideration for
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a top five pick top six pick. It runs the
whole gambit of opinions and thoughts and ideas of what
Shador Sanders you know, was in the draft. Now, what
I will say to that, Jonas is everybody has all
of these strong opinions, and I think ultimately the truth
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is somewhere in there, and it probably touches on all
of the elements that a lot of people are talking about.
He probably was considered to be a top prospect at
one point in time. There probably was a overplaying of
the cards. I keep hearing people say that the Sanders
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family overplayed their hand and they lost terribly and overplaying
it meaning that you know, and I think it was
Chris Carter that actually said this too, that Shador Sanders
totally trusted his dad and was bombing, was bombing, sabotaging
himself in meetings team team interviews that you know, obviously
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he didn't want to go to those teams, and it
may have gotten out that narrative may have started to
get out and was discussed, and it was talked about.
And again I think the one I think, the one
thing that was I find to be the most interesting
of all of the scenarios is do you view Shador
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Sanders as a starter in the National Football League because
one of the opinions, and I'm not sure who it
came from, but maybe it was cow Hurt. One of
the opinions was, if you're drafting a guy early, you're
drafting them to be a starter. Once you get outside
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of a certain amount of draft picks, you're now drafting
for a backup. Shador Sanders clearly was drafted out of
backups draft position number in the draft and.
Speaker 2 (26:29):
Started interrupt But to that point, that was one of
the talking points about when the Browns took Dylan Gabriel
that people in the NFL loved him and they viewed
him as a backup, like that's a solid backup quarterback
because of there his experience and things he did in college,
and he was taken before Shudor.
Speaker 4 (26:45):
And you may never see Dylan Gabriel ever get see
the light of day of touching a football field in
the National Football League. It may never happen. And I
find it interesting because there's the strong possibility that Shador
Sanders may never touch the football field. He got drafted
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behind the guy that may never see the football field.
Like you got to think about this one or two
of them, they may go. They may not even make
the roster.
Speaker 3 (27:17):
And who knows when they they.
Speaker 4 (27:19):
You know when they get let go. I don't know
when they get let Who knows when they get let go.
So there are a lot of there are a lot
of things elements involved in all of this.
Speaker 3 (27:32):
I thought that was the.
Speaker 4 (27:33):
Best kind of explanation was if you've decided that Shador
Sanders isn't worthy of being a starter, which look, if
you want to create a personal opinion about it and
make it racial, or make it about Dion's dad or
whatever it is you want to do, go right ahead.
Speaker 3 (27:54):
It's it's so tiring to try to.
Speaker 4 (27:57):
Villainize and and and make people, you know, what is
it the you know, victimized. That's what I'm looking for.
Speaker 3 (28:07):
Go ahead. I'm just telling you this is what I believe.
Speaker 4 (28:11):
Either you viewed him as a starter, and if you
viewed him as a starter, I don't give a damn
if he bombed out interview, I don't care. You see
him on his interviews and he's and you think he's arrogant.
It doesn't matter if they view him as a starter.
They're not doing this all We're gonna humble him. No, da, da,
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They're gonna draft him. They're gonna draft him.
Speaker 2 (28:37):
Look at Mike Green, who got drafted by the Ravens.
I think in the second round, second or third round.
Speaker 3 (28:42):
They took Pierce, they took Peers.
Speaker 4 (28:44):
James Pearce had off field issues and that's why he
fell into draft.
Speaker 3 (28:47):
They took him in the first round.
Speaker 2 (28:49):
Mike Green had multiple like assault claims against him going
back to high school, and still the Ravens took him,
and the thought was he's a first round talent, Like
the talent will outweigh it. So so whatever it is
you want to settle in on as to why the
system they this fictitious figure, that's that's totally your prerogative.
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All I'm saying is is if they viewed him as
a starter, if there was one singular team out of
the thirty two that saw and viewed him as a starter,
he would have been drafted in a earlier round. So
once you realize that they're grade of him dictated where
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they were going to take them, now it's like, well,
do we take him or do we take this other guy?
Speaker 4 (29:39):
Do we roll with this position or do we roll
with this quarterback we could use. You can never have
too many quarterbacks to bring in the camp. It's not
going to cost as much.
Speaker 3 (29:47):
What do you do? They passed thirty two passed.
Speaker 4 (29:49):
Him up, first round, second round, third round, fourth round.
Thirty two teams passed him up repeatedly. So in the end,
you can say it's a conspiracy theory. They're humbling him.
They're doing this, they're doing that. Maybe some maybe at
some point during that draft, that's what it was, but
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not early on, not early on. If you're great, is
your great, you're gonna get drafted. You're gonna get drafted.
So at the end of the day, he probably fell
into project quarterback, which is it doesn't mean you're not
a starter. It just doesn't mean that maybe you're not
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a starter today. And everything else that's connected to what's
taking place added to a case study of this is
a project quarterback, meaning it's going to take some development
and some time for him to learn the game at
the pro level and integrate him into being an eventual starter.
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All the other stuff made it feel as though this
is a tremendous Now you got to say, what's risk
reward of taking on this project player?
Speaker 3 (31:11):
We got to do this.
Speaker 4 (31:12):
But in the meanwhile, you know what's going to happen
any good team, and this is going to happen in Cleveland.
You watch what I tell you, Every single thing that
happens is going to be something or somebody else's fault,
and no organization wants to deal with that. They're not
going to want to deal with What did Colin say?
I think it was Colin. I don't want to misquote.
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You don't want more cameras in the locker of a backup,
maybe even third fourth string on your team.
Speaker 3 (31:41):
You don't want all of the cameras.
Speaker 4 (31:43):
You don't want a circus or whatever it is people
are labeling it. You don't want all of that confusion
in your locker room for somebody that's not even going
to get on the field.
Speaker 2 (31:53):
There is something to a backup who's too loud and
people can like because people looked at you know, the
Colin kap Next stuff and we're like, oh god, you
know he's being blackballed, and et cetera, et cetera.
Speaker 4 (32:04):
He was Okay, well, I mean but but it's a
totally different situation.
Speaker 2 (32:09):
But my point is that there was also the same
conversation about Tim Tebow like man like that. There's a
lot that comes with that. I had the black ball
Tim Tebow that had to get him out, and there's
a lot that comes with that, and you don't want
that as your backup, like that's not so I get
why teams would be hesitant to do it. I also
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look at this as well too, because not only were
the ratings up all three days, but you also saw
the information come out about top Jersey sales of rookies
who were drafted in the top ten. Nine of the
top ten were first round picks. The only one that
wasn't was shad Or Sanders. He was third, Travis Hunter
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was first. So that tells me, based on the viewership
the Jersey sales, that there's a reason why Colorado hired
Dion Sanders. And it worked because you can say, well, look,
they didn't win a national title and should or got
whatever you want to call it. It was about bringing
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back and resurrecting the program and getting people interested again,
and it worked and it translated in Colorado. In Boulder,
the scene that was there, the hype that was there,
the concerts, Big newon kickoff game Day, all those shows
showed up and then when you got to the NFL Draft,
the ratings increased over forty percent day two and day
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three because of shidh or Sanders.
Speaker 3 (33:39):
So whatever they're doing, and because right, if we're being honest,
because of Dion Sanders. But but that's okay, but that's fine.
But it's be clear it's because of Dion's and that's fine.
Speaker 2 (33:51):
But to Chris Carter saying, well, you know, he costs himself,
you know, twenty thirty million dollars. Maybe, But what they've
done there is they've made people care and they've created
a business and a platform for themselves that I don't.
Speaker 4 (34:07):
It extends beyond, it extends beyond the parameters of the game.
Speaker 3 (34:11):
I mean, it wouldn't surprise he's not he doesn't need football.
Speaker 2 (34:15):
I mean, when you hear, okay, he cost himself twenty
thirty million dollars whatever that never was.
Speaker 3 (34:19):
That he threw out there, bro, he's already probably got it.
Speaker 4 (34:22):
He's already doing ads for Delta is a Delta or
was it Delta Lee it's one of the is.
Speaker 3 (34:29):
One of those airlines. He's already doing major airlines.
Speaker 2 (34:32):
And he's a fifth round pick. Come on, man, But
he's Chaudore Sanders.
Speaker 4 (34:37):
So at the end of the day, whichever side you
fall on, you could call it what you want. If
we're keeping it on the in the parameters of in
between the lines, it's football. You gotta look at it,
and you gotta say he was viewed as a backup
quarterback of project quarterback and they were going to have
to work on them. And now your decision comes from there.
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That's to me, that's the conclusion you draw in between
the lines, outside of the lines. Whatever it is that
you're drawing your opinions and you're basing it off of,
that's on you. That's on you and your personal approach
to how you see us. Apparently, apparently you're never going
to get one side to view things the same way. Right,
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there's gonna be a whole Liar's gonna be a multitude
of opinions about your door Sanders. There's gonna be the
ones who hate them all the way from the hate
to the love, and in between that hate and that
love spectrum, You're gonna have every single opinion, theory, concept
that anybody can come up with or think of as
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to why Schador Sanders wasn't a higher draft pick. As
to why Schador Sanders is in the situation that he's
in right now.
Speaker 2 (35:51):
And for anybody complaining about the Browns drafting Schador Sanders
after taking Dylan.
Speaker 3 (35:55):
Gabriel, I just like to point out it could be worse.
Speaker 2 (35:57):
You could have given two hundred and thirty million dollars
some guy who's spent one hundred days.
Speaker 3 (36:02):
Out of a calendar year at the Grab.
Speaker 2 (36:04):
Lab, So they could be worse. So just for you know,
on the bright side of things, Leeway.
Speaker 7 (36:10):
Schador did sign an endorsement deal with Delta, And if
you were to look at the numbers, you know, cam
Ward's rookie deal is worth forty eight million including thirty
two signing bonus with the sixth pick in the fifth round.
Shador's contract is four point six including a four hundred
forty six thousand sighting, so that's about forty four million.
Speaker 2 (36:27):
He's got that in a fanny pack hanging up in
his closet somewhere, and a.
Speaker 4 (36:32):
Lot of people's theories are that, you know, people are
upset with that too, you know. And the question became,
how motivated is this young man to be a project quarterback?
How motivated is he to be what he needs to
be and becoming the pro that he needs to become.
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Some people have used that theory, so I mean the
bottom line, here's the bottom line. Don prime Time Sanders
created a persona. He tells you about it. Prime Time
is the persona. It's not the man. Dion Sanders is
the man, and he's a fine man. He's that is
a good man. He's a just man. Shortcomings just like
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any other person, but is a fine man. I know
that I know him personally. That man was there for
me and supported me and in a very in a
tough position I was in in my life as a
rookie when I came into to training cap He's a
fine person. If we're looking at it where we're judging
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these people and their character, that's on you. I think
he's done an excellent job of raising his kids. He's
put them in positions to have the level of success
that they've had. This is not about Shador. This is
about d On prime Time. In every opinion that you're
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creating and everything that you're thinking and and basing it
off of, is a persona that was created long before
Shador Sanders was even thought of or born. They are
executing what they know. They are executing who they are.
They are true to who they are. Schador didn't back
away from who he was during during this time. They
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didn't draft him, he didn't back away from it. You
didn't see him take his jewelry off and and and
say it's not legendary anymore and not show any money
in the club with the Louis bags and stuff.
Speaker 3 (38:34):
You didn't see him take take a back seat. They
don't care what you think.
Speaker 4 (38:41):
And I like that because what that's considered to be
is living free. But now when you live free, you
have to understand and living free the way that they
live as Sanders kids and as a family, you may
run into a situation where employers don't want that their
doors Tay's closed.
Speaker 3 (39:03):
It's not no big conspiracy theory.
Speaker 2 (39:05):
You remember when Manziel was a freshman, When Johnny Manziel
was a freshman, there was sort of this mystery around
him to where nobody really knew anything about They knew
Johnny football, He had the visor, and nobody really was
sure what he looked like or anything. And part of
that was because Texas A and M had this rule.
And I remember, because I reached out to the SID
at the time to try and get him on for
an interview, and they had this rule to where freshmen
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don't do interviews. Dion, Sanders and shod Or are like, Oh,
not only will we do interviews, We'll have rap concerts,
we'll have game days there, we'll have big Newton kickoff,
We'll be we'll get sponsored by a sunglass brand. They
were totally out front and in the open the entire time.
And look, man, you could say that, yeah, well it
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rubbed people the wrong way. I don't know, man, Dion's
been building brands for decades now, and I just don't
see a lot of misses with him.
Speaker 3 (39:58):
When it comes to that standpoint, maybe you'll get.
Speaker 2 (39:59):
Any opportunity, Maybe he won't make it to the season
and won't be on the roster. But when you see
the numbers that are out there, like he tells you
about sort of what they were building and what they
were trying to accomplish, and I gotta be honest with you,
it kind of worked.
Speaker 3 (40:15):
It kind of worked.
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Speaker 5 (40:56):
Good morning, Good morning guys, let's pop gone there. Good morning, LeVar.
Speaker 3 (41:01):
Hey, how you doing. I'm all right, I'm okay, good so.
Speaker 2 (41:05):
Good to know, Patricks. I just want to first, you know,
send my condolences to you and yours. I know you
were pretty distraught that should or had to wait as
long as he did.
Speaker 5 (41:14):
Tough for me.
Speaker 8 (41:15):
So it's really I got to say, uh, I had
a conversation with somebody about this last night, somebody who
knows better than me, uh as far as like how
executives think and all of that. And I know for
a fact that this made the draft more interesting for me.
I'm not a fan of the NFL Draft. I never
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have been, and I'll explain it, LeVar. It's like we
deal with all the douchiary before and at halftime and
after a football game because there's a football game to watch, right,
Like I might even tolerate as a viewer, you know,
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Ian Rapport and whatever other douchebag information guy going back
and forth about who's right about the information they have
and all that different stuff, Like I will tolerate that,
you know, Peter Schrager, I'll tolerate all of that crap
because you know that there's a game coming.
Speaker 5 (42:17):
And that's the amazing thing about the.
Speaker 3 (42:19):
NFL Draft game coming.
Speaker 8 (42:21):
It is just the self flating NFL information guide douchiarie
for literally four.
Speaker 5 (42:29):
Hours and there's no game.
Speaker 8 (42:32):
And the fact that you know, six hundred thousand people
will show up for it or whatever it was throughout
the weekend and they'll get seven and a half million
viewers combined for an event that has no actual payoff.
That's pretty amazing. Oh, deep down, ESPN, the NFL network,
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they're high fiving.
Speaker 5 (42:57):
No matter what pundit you might feel like made a
fool of themselves or didn't.
Speaker 8 (43:02):
They're having a hell of a time feeling great about
the draft because everybody watched because of one thing.
Speaker 5 (43:10):
Now, I would allege.
Speaker 8 (43:12):
Earlier before I had this conversation that yeah, okay, NFL
networks high fiving, ESPN's high fiving, But deep down, the NFL,
because all of their draft picks were overshadowed and many
of their pundits are embarrassed or are embarrassing, the NFL
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must be pretty red in the face. They can't be
happy about the way this went down. And the guy
I was with last night, who's an executive, said, are
you kidding? They don't care. They just want people to
talk about them. They love it. They're not embarrassed. They
don't have some kind of moral high ground that they're
standing on and saying, oh, we don't like this room
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for room for room. No, this was an embarrassment, but
it was also a gigantic victory.
Speaker 5 (44:02):
For the NFL.
Speaker 8 (44:03):
These leagues are always trying to become the biggest story
of the week, especially if they're not playing, like that's
a huge bonus. Off season, it's the biggest story of
the week. The NBA off season kind of tried to
create that in the summer, so that's kind of The
big picture of what I thought after the weekend is
this was a travesty. Is anybody embarrassed by it? And
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the answer is no, nobody. Nobody is embarrassed about it.
Speaker 4 (44:33):
You don't feel like the eventual crash out that was
going to take place by mel Kuiper that took place
this draft weekend, You don't think he's embarrassed about that?
Speaker 3 (44:43):
Today?
Speaker 8 (44:44):
I go no. I mean, I don't know if he
had any shame, he would have tucked it in after
the Jimmy claus and stuff.
Speaker 5 (44:50):
You know, you know what I mean.
Speaker 8 (44:52):
I mean, it's a whole different cottage industry, and Mel
Kuiper has made the draft what it is. And again,
you know, I'm a guy in his basement screaming into
a microphone.
Speaker 5 (45:02):
I mean, I understand, uh, the level of interest. I don't.
Maybe I don't, but I I look, this moved the.
Speaker 8 (45:12):
Needle in a huge way, and the NFL and everybody
else involved is taking a victory lap. I don't know
what Kuiper's like. He could be looking in the mirror saying,
you know, I hate you. I don't know, but uh,
but overall, it was, uh, it was it was an
event that I watched, and you know, usually I'm semi
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interested in the draft as far as oh I know
this player, Hey good for that guy, or hey, that's
what a cool story, but nothing to where I was
like riveted and people were texting me, he's not gonna go,
He's not going you know, you know, like he's not
gonna go. We were all, you know, pretty pretty uh
pretty glued to it.
Speaker 5 (45:54):
And and there's no doubt about it.
Speaker 8 (45:56):
And you have to give the NFL whatever perverse kind
of credit you'd want to give them. I mean, to me,
if you're Jackson Dart or any of these guys, and
everybody's having a temper tantrum when you get picked. Anybody
who got picked anywhere that they thought Shador Sanders was
going to get picked.
Speaker 5 (46:14):
The panel had a temper tantrum. On day two.
Speaker 8 (46:18):
Everybody seemed, even Joel who's a Colorado guy, Like, everybody
seemed to get reeled in except for your brother with
the with the hair helmet.
Speaker 2 (46:28):
So Petros, would you see like the numbers and you
mentioned the interest, it's there and the viewership numbers up
over forty percent on day two from the previous year,
up over forty percent on Day three from the previous year.
Speaker 5 (46:42):
Yeah, I mean they wish they could create this every year.
Speaker 3 (46:44):
Oh yeah, And so I look at it and I go,
but this.
Speaker 5 (46:48):
Was a natural occurrence.
Speaker 8 (46:49):
I mean, this was a rebuke, a rebuke of the
NFL's front offices against the Shador Sanders and Dion Sanders
and how they went about this. I don't think he
was a first round pick ever, Like I really don't,
But I don't think he would have gone that deep
had they not. Maybe, and they've admitted it themselves, maybe
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they could have gone about this in.
Speaker 5 (47:12):
A different way.
Speaker 8 (47:13):
And I think that's probably in hindsight, I think that
that's what they would end up doing.
Speaker 2 (47:19):
Doesn't also speak though to there's like this is why
Colorado bringing in Dion Sanders like this? This was part
of it because we're talking about a fifth round pick
and his rookie jersey sale is third amongst all draft picks.
I mean, he's the only non first round pick. And
it just goes to show you, like, man, Colorado was
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desperate to have anything and to see the noise that
comes along and the coverage that comes along with Dion
and Shador and man, we have brought up Travis Hunter,
who's the best player in the draft potentially. Like, it
just tells me Colorado was right in the move they made.
It may never result in a national time and Dion
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could be the coach of the Browns in two years,
who the hell knows. But what they did was put
the program back on the map, and they did so
by way of Dion Sanders, who put his son and
his whole brand on the map.
Speaker 5 (48:12):
Again. Yeah, you can't argue with it.
Speaker 8 (48:13):
I mean you can say that it's manufactured and the
story is deeply manufactured because it doesn't warrant.
Speaker 5 (48:22):
I mean, I was a.
Speaker 8 (48:22):
Little offended just because everybody's like, well, Colorado football is
not doing anything for twenty years.
Speaker 5 (48:28):
It's like, no, no, that's not true.
Speaker 8 (48:30):
They had a coach, the guy from San Jose McIntyre
or whatever. That guy had him in the PAC twelfth
championship game with Philip Lindsay and that big quarterback I
think his name was Montees or something.
Speaker 5 (48:42):
I mean, not that it's very memorable.
Speaker 8 (48:44):
To anybody else, but that was a higher performing team,
you know, in the last twenty years, in the last
ten years, than what Shadour and Travis Hunter and Dion
did just as far as you know, Ex's and Ozen
on the field, that was actually a better team. Stephen Montes, Yes,
Stephen Montes. And and that's okay, I mean, that's fine.
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This is this is a manufactured story. But what is
it manufactured? Revenue, attention, television ratings, you know, all of
these different things. And it's hard to argue with that now.
Other than most of the points that everybody's already made.
I think it is interesting because this did prove one
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point the media and.
Speaker 5 (49:32):
Whatever that is.
Speaker 8 (49:33):
You know, when whatever your interpretation is, when you hear
somebody say that word, the media couldn't get this guy drafted,
and and and I think this was a little bit
of a reprimand on the media, because the last time
I saw the media get a guy drafted out of
place was Lonzo Ball, right, And you had to be
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an idiot like Magic Johnson, the same guy that raided
away of vitza booth zubats Uh. You have to be
somebody who was very naive to fall into the media
trap because he was local and all that to draft
Lonzo Ball as opposed to Jason Tatum ord Aaron.
Speaker 5 (50:16):
Fox, you know, and I know about Mark l. Foltz,
but and all that.
Speaker 8 (50:20):
But he was a consensus number one, and gms don't
get fired if you pick the guy that's a consensus
number one, because you just figure, yeah, everybody else would
have picked him. It's not my fault. So that's the
only other time I've really seemed like just a huge
media swell to get a guy drafted out of place.
Speaker 5 (50:39):
And this seemed.
Speaker 8 (50:40):
Like a like a little bit of a reprimand on
on all the talk for months and months that the
NFL wasn't having it.
Speaker 4 (50:48):
Speaking of reprimands, p I mean the kid they did
the prank, he apologized.
Speaker 8 (50:56):
I didn't know how prevalent though. I didn't know that
that had been a thing. Yeah he got cut, but
like I didn't know that that had happened last year
and years before it happened to another kid.
Speaker 5 (51:06):
Well, I had no idea.
Speaker 4 (51:07):
I mean, shouldn't something like the fact that it's it
got leaked by you know, uh an official will say
inside of the organization, shouldn't there be some type of
consequence to it?
Speaker 8 (51:20):
I mean, I don't know what he wanted to do
to poor old Brick. He's already I mean, he's already embarrassed.
I mean, you know, his kids, embarrassed himself, and the
kid has apologized.
Speaker 3 (51:29):
I mean, he got caught.
Speaker 8 (51:31):
I mean, should we have him stand somewhere like butts
up shame? Oh yeah, shame? What Arab butts up?
Speaker 3 (51:37):
Maybe seven seven canes?
Speaker 4 (51:39):
I don't, yeah, you know, change shame, you know, maybe
change shame.
Speaker 8 (51:44):
I mean, isn't that happening? I mean, isn't he being
I mean, isn't it happening right now?
Speaker 4 (51:48):
If I'm the NFL, you don't want that to like
your biggest storyline? What shador Sanders? And that became a
part of the storyline when and everybody went running for
the phone and it's it's time.
Speaker 3 (52:04):
I've been waiting for your call.
Speaker 4 (52:07):
Well you're gonna keep waiting, Like in the moment, it
shouldn't like it was kind of like maybe a tab it,
Like I don't want to admit it was funny.
Speaker 3 (52:14):
I thought the whole thing was racial, to be honest
with you.
Speaker 4 (52:16):
But that's just all I'm gonna say. And that's that's
a whole another deal. That's that's that's a whole nother deal.
But anyway, I mean, I just feel like there should
be some type of repercussion. If the information that's a
private line and that information gets out where something like
that can happen from an organization, I just listen.
Speaker 8 (52:36):
I think it's important that at some point, I know,
it didn't happen this time, but at some point I
feel like we're gonna get a black quarterback drafted high.
Speaker 3 (52:44):
I agree Petro's oh, that's sarcasm. I agree. What are
you trying to say.
Speaker 5 (52:49):
I'm just saying I don't.
Speaker 8 (52:51):
I mean, I just look when somebody goes like, you know,
this is because the kid wears chains and he raps,
and I was like, dude, if you took all the
guys out that we're chains and raps, you know, we
don't have a league, you know, I mean, we don't.
Speaker 5 (53:04):
Have anything to talk about. You know.
Speaker 8 (53:06):
I mean every guy that I know that I played
football with that was of a certain background, most of
them thought that they could do three things, rap, look cool,
and jewelry, and played basketball. And the truth is none
of those things were true. They could just play football.
I mean, our best basketball players were usually the guys
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who played quarterback because they were tall and they actually
had played high school basketball.
Speaker 5 (53:35):
Now it's an amazing story. The whole thing, LeVar is amazing.
Speaker 8 (53:39):
And there's so many different avenues to take it, and
I think that there's a lot of social commentary that
comes along with it. That you know, if you feel
a certain kind of way about a certain kind of
thing on one way or the other, you can find
something about this Shadeur's story and make it a platform
and attack others. I think it happens all the time
in sports these days, which is really unfortunately sort of
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lost our anonymity.
Speaker 5 (54:03):
With the political world, and people use these stories.
Speaker 3 (54:07):
Look at what happened to Saquon, right, what's your take
on that? I saw?
Speaker 4 (54:10):
You saw like they're attacking Saquona. People are attacking Saquon,
Like I just don't understand why a man can't live
his life like you can have your own political views
and personal feelings, but why are you projecting that on
the like we don't like like Petros, you don't have
to live for somebody else, Like you don't have to
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give validation from somebody else.
Speaker 8 (54:33):
If my daughter wants to go to the Trump golf
course where they stamp the Trump name on the burger,
and she likes the way it looks because she's nine.
I'm gonna take her. You know, I don't care what
somebody on the Twitter might say. No, I'm I think
you did a great job of being a little bit
more I guess just reasonable with his explanation as to
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what he was doing.
Speaker 4 (54:55):
I like, if he's not there, have a problem like, Okay,
you're inviting people like be.
Speaker 3 (55:03):
Upset at that you're upset that he's there.
Speaker 8 (55:06):
No, I think you've come to a point where there's
a group of people who they're gonna think that you're
evil if you deal with uh, with the guy who
they elected president, and that's not I don't think that's
right either. It's obviously a hot button topic for a
lot of people because some people are just absolutely and totally,
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just gutturally opposed to anything that that guy does, whether
it's good or bad. So that that's a tough story,
and I hate the fact that athletes get sucked into that.
But you know, there is a bigger There is a
bigger picture when it comes to the Shador thing, just
as far as him being not being drafted high or
anybody in a professional league, whatever that league is. And
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you understand better than anybody else talking the pain in
the ass factor on one side of the scale, and
then the other side is how good is this guy?
How much can he contribute? And once that pain in
the ass factor starts to outweigh that, how.
Speaker 3 (56:10):
Good is this guy and they're going to take you.
Speaker 8 (56:12):
People don't stick around very long, right, you know. I
mean I think about Yasiel Puig, one of the biggest
stories that I've covered, when since we've had the Dodgers,
he disappeared every day. What's PLEI gonna do? What's ple
gonna do? What did look at the face he made?
You know, but he'd show up late and this and
that and that was publicly. Privately, you know, they couldn't
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get him to come home at night. You know, they
they they were struggling.
Speaker 3 (56:36):
It didn't granky like throw his stuff off a bus.
Speaker 5 (56:39):
Yeah, I mean they had a lot.
Speaker 8 (56:41):
Yeah that wasn't a book, and they struggled. You know,
they had a mentor living with him, all this stuff.
But the second that his performance dropped below all the
stuff you have to do to keep this guy around
because he's a pain in the ass, he was gone. Kaepernick,
t Bow, I mean, two different sides of the same coin.
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The second your story becomes bigger than what it's worth
for the actual team.
Speaker 5 (57:06):
They get rid of you, you know, whether it's right
or wrong, they get rid of you.
Speaker 8 (57:11):
Who else Johnny Manzel, you know, I mean it just
goes on and on. This is a professional league. So
that part of it that made a lot of sense
to me. One thing I thought that was funny was
my radio partner was like, you know, what do they got.
Speaker 5 (57:25):
Louis Vuton trunks in the corner for what is that?
Why do they have those just stacked up? You know?
And I was like, those are like fifty thousand dollars
a piece. And he's like, yeah, why do they have those?
What is this?
Speaker 8 (57:36):
And I was like, well, you know, it's actually quite interesting.
I mean, Louis Vuton. If you're gonna have Louis Vauton
stuff like, that's the most authentic thing you could have,
because that's what Louis Vauton actually made. Louis Vuitton was
a poor carpenter type. He was an artisan. He walked
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the seventy or whatever it is miles from leo Own
to Paris, taking odd jobs on the way, and he
became a guy in Paris who made really bougie traveling
trunks for rich people who travel on boats and trains
and stuff like that, where people would use a big
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ass trunk and be gone gold. Yeah, months and months
and months, and those trunks. That's what Louis Vauton made
for like a hundred years before you know, they started
making sunglasses and hats and purses.
Speaker 5 (58:33):
And all the scarves and all the other stuff.
Speaker 8 (58:36):
So I thought the Louis Vuton trunk choice was was
a very classy choice, you know, in the and then
we found out what was in it.
Speaker 2 (58:45):
Straight cash, gray cash, you know, the words of the
great Tony Bruno, that's beautiful, Louis Vuitton knowledge man, beautiful man, beautiful.
Speaker 8 (58:54):
I will say this though I don't know, and the
honest question, I don't know. If the cash is in
the trunks, could buy the trunk. Yeah, those sixty thousand
bucks really, Oh they're beautiful. Yeah, you know, they're like
they're really like, you know, it's like buying a piece
of furniture.
Speaker 5 (59:11):
I think people would say that. And Shdor's got two
just scattered in the corner filled with.
Speaker 3 (59:16):
Cat Yeah, they was opening them bad boys up.
Speaker 8 (59:18):
Yeah, it's not from Cleveland cash, but it's Cleveland it's
cash Petros.
Speaker 2 (59:22):
Uh, before we let you go, you got to call
your shot here. When the Lakers get eliminated by the Timberwolves,
what are you.
Speaker 5 (59:30):
Talking about there? Think that the they'll have the refs
help them out.
Speaker 2 (59:33):
Well, I was gonna say when they do tonight. When
they do, it could be tonight, it could be game six.
But when they do, first excuse you'll hear from the
Lakers about the loss will be.
Speaker 5 (59:47):
What, oh, we didn't have time to develop.
Speaker 8 (59:50):
They might throw JJ Reddick under the bus because you know,
there's a reason nobody left their whole team out there
for the whole second half ever before ever. You know,
it's one thing to be innovative, it's another thing to
be stupid, like you're coaching a video game.
Speaker 5 (01:00:06):
You know. Reddick's interesting.
Speaker 8 (01:00:07):
Had he overcame a lot of the negativity and very
honest negativity about him because he had no coaching experience
coming into this, and he overcame a lot of that
and drew a lot of praise from a lot of
people that were criticizing him. But the second the playoffs
has started, he's really shown his ass. I mean, they
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got they were getting beat up in that first game,
and they do those in game interviews, you know now,
and he's like, listen, you know, we we're just getting beat.
This has nothing to do with schematics nothing. It's like
you said it like three times and it's like, okay, dude,
we get it.
Speaker 5 (01:00:42):
You don't want to act like you're being out coached.
Speaker 8 (01:00:45):
Whether it's true or not, it just seems like he's
he's got huge rabbit ears and I just can't stand
listening to him talk. And he's That's probably where they'll
blame it. They'll probably blame his lack of playoff coaching experience,
or they'll say, well, this team just wasn't very built
very well for the playoffs, and Nico's.
Speaker 5 (01:01:07):
Gonna have a little victory lap.
Speaker 3 (01:01:08):
In Dallas, right of course, and he deserves it.
Speaker 8 (01:01:12):
Every year, you know, the Clippers were looking good for
a second there. Yeah, and they're still alive. But and
I guess they're they're in better shape than the Lakers, right,
Like I guess you could say that.
Speaker 5 (01:01:23):
And every year people are like, this is it, pee,
you know, come on.
Speaker 8 (01:01:27):
And every year I won't get on the boat and
I stand in the breakwater and I watched the Clipper
ship explode in the harbor.
Speaker 3 (01:01:36):
Yeah, yeah, it's too bad.
Speaker 5 (01:01:38):
It really is.
Speaker 3 (01:01:39):
It's really too bad this year.
Speaker 5 (01:01:41):
It didn't even take Kawhi's like leg falling off. It's
just happening.
Speaker 3 (01:01:44):
He's been great, Kawhi, it has been great.
Speaker 2 (01:01:46):
It's just you know, they just can't win. James Harden
has vanished the last couple of games. But Petros, we
always appreciate my ex at the old Pe. He is
the great Petros Papadakis, the co host of the Petros
and Money, which you can hear on at the Blowtorch,
a M five seventy l a Sports Fox college football
analyst and a man who brought the knowledge about Louis
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Vauton here on the show.
Speaker 8 (01:02:10):
Yeah, appreciate it, Pe. I have stacks of Drachmas in
my Louis Vauton. Hell yeah, I have a Louis Vuitton wallet.
Speaker 5 (01:02:22):
It's not filled with very much money.
Speaker 2 (01:02:25):
Well, listen, maybe we'll u that's a that's a holiday idea.
Maybe for Christmas we'll we'll line you up with something. Yeah,
for all these appearances, thanks Petros, so they the great
Petro spapadegus with us here on Fox Sports Radio
Is the best of two pros and au Laars, Rady
Win and Jonas Knox on sports radio.
Speaker 2 (00:20):
And away we go, two pros and a cup of
Joe Fox Sports Radio, LaVar Arrington, Jonas Knox with you here, No,
Brady Quinn, I gotta tell you, man, why.
Speaker 3 (00:30):
Were you waiting for my reaction? You're waiting for my reaction.
Speaker 2 (00:35):
We gotta do something, Hey, b about the rampant ped
use in this place.
Speaker 4 (00:41):
If you keep using pd A and which batter way?
I heard you used it on me too, that's correct.
If you keep using that, something's wrong with us because
we needed to do an intervention. If you've been if
you've been suspended this many times, Ford.
Speaker 3 (00:57):
Well listen to He's on his way to to the
outer beyond.
Speaker 2 (01:01):
Right, So Saturday, you and I work Saturdays, and Saturday
Bo Benson, the executive producer of the Saturday show, was out.
Speaker 3 (01:09):
He was out, and I accused him of a pe
de violation.
Speaker 2 (01:12):
And then after the first hour, Shay was filling in,
and then he had to go, and then Ian Roddy
stepped in.
Speaker 3 (01:19):
So I accused Shay.
Speaker 2 (01:21):
After hour one of the pee violets, or maybe just
the hour one was so bad.
Speaker 4 (01:25):
It was like, look, I gotta go, somebody else got
to take over the show.
Speaker 3 (01:28):
I've here.
Speaker 4 (01:29):
I mean I did up on game and we crushed it,
and then we turned it over to Jonas, and Jonas didn't.
Speaker 3 (01:34):
Do what he needed to do. So it sounds like
to me, because say, was there for our whole show,
you guys are still in the air. I didn't know that.
Speaker 4 (01:45):
Look, you know what's funny they only have numbers for
one show on the weekend. Yeah. Yeah, that's a Shannon
Sharp move right there.
Speaker 3 (01:56):
That's a flex. Ain't enough bosses around here to keep
me off your head?
Speaker 2 (02:00):
Jonas, are you well, is that the tag team partner
you're looking for? Nope, but yes it was. Uh you know,
so listen PD violation. Hey, that's what it is. But
LaVar and I will take you all the way up
until nine am Eastern time, six o'clock Pacific. You can
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hang out with us on the IHEARTRATEI Map and you
can find us on hundreds of affiliates all across the country.
And we would like to thank the Milwaukee Bucks for
participating in any sort of significant playoff run in the
NBA for We're just gonna call.
Speaker 3 (02:37):
It the foreseeable future. We'll go ahead and go with that.
Speaker 2 (02:43):
Yes, so that's uh, that'll do it for the Milwaukee Bucks.
It was listen, it was fun while lasted. It was
a brilliant attempt. Congratulations to the Indiana Pacers.
Speaker 4 (02:55):
They weren't ready to go yet, they didn't want to go.
Speaker 2 (03:00):
But you know what, in the Eastern Conference, at least
that series has got some got some juice to it.
So I don't mind that series getting extended a little bit. O.
Same with with Denver and la As far as the Clippers.
Speaker 3 (03:14):
Go, oh they're going home tonight.
Speaker 4 (03:17):
Well, excuse me, excuse me. Yeah, you got the Clippers.
They they didn't want to go home either. We got
the Lakers tonight, and this will probably be their swan song.
Speaker 3 (03:28):
So yeah, I'm.
Speaker 2 (03:29):
Hoping that, uh, you know things, things get extended in
the Clippers Nugget series for the sake of Ben Mallor,
so you can have something to celebrate here.
Speaker 3 (03:37):
But nonetheless, the it's a rap for that series too, though. Damn.
Speaker 4 (03:42):
Yeah, I'm sorry. If Murray can stay home. He came
out hot yesterday.
Speaker 2 (03:48):
Why are you pulling up with the corner van first? Well,
I mean it was the first hour of my show.
Now it's the Clippers, then you got the Lakers. Why
are you loading up bodies?
Speaker 4 (04:01):
I've been I've been in a very, very confrontational mode
since yesterday. I was reading from one of my happened
to somebody who went to school with me. We went
to school, we went to Penn State at the same time,
and and he had this little community.
Speaker 3 (04:16):
Like change around here. You ain't lying, he Lee. Come on, man,
what you're doing?
Speaker 2 (04:27):
What is on TV?
Speaker 3 (04:31):
Is what you're doing with that? This is Coops show?
Speaker 4 (04:34):
Actually, Coop. What you're doing Coop? Like, all right, I
don't want to put it on Lee. If it ain't Lee,
what you're doing Coop? Well, I didn't put it on.
But this is a fantastic show. This is one of
the best comedies of all time.
Speaker 3 (04:45):
What is it? The righteous Gemstones things?
Speaker 4 (04:48):
He's got his righteous gemstones all over the television right now.
Speaker 3 (04:52):
By the way, what happened to John Goodman? He get
cut in half? No, he's being held hostage. No, I
mean just like in general, looks like, oh, because he's
slots smaller than he used to be. Yeah, yeah, he
lost a lot of weight. Looks good. Well anyway, yeah,
I've chose violence.
Speaker 4 (05:08):
I mean so so on this thread on Facebook, of
all places, Facebook, dude is talking crazy about Saquon for
being at the White House golfing with the president or whatever,
and you know, call them choice names. That are you know,
a part of our community when they do something, you know,
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when dudes do something that you know the rest of
the community air quotes doesn't like or whatever. And I
took exception to it. So I've like kind of been
on a I have a serial type of I've been
on I have a serial type of approach since then,
Like and I had time yesterday.
Speaker 3 (05:45):
What do you what do you mean? What was he saying?
I had time?
Speaker 4 (05:48):
Well, they go through trash, they go through garbage that night,
I tell you, that's what he called him, man, And
I'm you know, I refuse to accept that you're going
to call him, you know, the nocturnal animal that goes
through trash, you know, in the evening time.
Speaker 3 (06:04):
I gotcha, Yeah, right now, I understand.
Speaker 4 (06:08):
That'd be like me telling That'd be like me writing
a threat and calling his mother the same thing, you
know what I mean, or like one of his family
members that he really really cared about, like putting them
on blasts and then people were laughing, like the people
were commenting on it, like the comments below it, and
then I recognized some of them, you know what I mean.
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So I'm like, wait, hold on, like, so this is
how y'all like they started talking about how football players
at Penn State handle things. We apparently football players at
Penn State don't, like we would lower our eyes in
our heads to other black students, we didn't want to
talk to black students or yeah, it's kind of weird.
Speaker 3 (06:48):
It was a weird dialogue.
Speaker 4 (06:51):
The dude sitting there telling me stupid, the dude sitting
there telling me look at all, like read the room,
like there's all these comments about that. The players didn't
talk to me either, Da da da this that and
the other. And my roommates would ask me like da
da da this that.
Speaker 3 (07:08):
And the other. And I was like, maybe you were
a nerd.
Speaker 4 (07:10):
I don't understand what your your lens or your perception
of us is, because that couldn't be the most inaccurate,
you know, assessment of who, Like, maybe you weren't attractive.
I mean I've seen girls on there say yeah, they
didn't talk to me. Maybe you weren't attractive because I
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know every good looking black girl on that campus had
some type of relationship of some sort, whether it was
high by or beyond, there was a relationship. There was
an interaction there. Now, the dudes, I don't really know,
you know what I mean?
Speaker 3 (07:49):
I got it is interesting.
Speaker 2 (07:50):
Didn't you guys walk around with the shirt that said
sevens and up?
Speaker 4 (07:53):
Only the dude sat there and said, y'all was walking
around with your jerseys on this stuff. Ain't nobody ever
went around campus with their game jersey on or any
unless it was that period of time where guys were
wearing you know, pro players jerseys. But he dude was
talking like we was walking around with with our jerseys.
Speaker 3 (08:14):
On campus, like like that was our come up.
Speaker 2 (08:17):
And this is all because Saquon Barkley dared to visit
the White.
Speaker 4 (08:20):
House and golf flew on Air Force one golf with
the president.
Speaker 3 (08:25):
Are they more outraged because it's called the White House?
Speaker 4 (08:28):
I think they're outraged because they want to have something
to be outraged about.
Speaker 3 (08:32):
I just thought it was.
Speaker 4 (08:34):
I thought, you know, from what we come from and
and and a lot of us have had to endure
to get to where we are. In life, it's like, oh,
these guys make it to the Promised Land and then
they forget about where they came from.
Speaker 3 (08:48):
And I said, I told dude, I said, do you.
Speaker 4 (08:50):
Realize a lot of guys, a lot of us go
broke because we reach back. A lot of us lose
our money because we're steady helping dumb asses like you,
like you need something, we help, no questions asked. Don't
nobody else get treat. Nobody's coming at you asking you
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for the same things that guys that make it to
the league are asked for.
Speaker 3 (09:15):
And and yet.
Speaker 4 (09:16):
At the drop of a hat, at the drop of
a dime, you can have a problem with with one
of one of our guts. And what bothered me was
one is Saquon Likeon is like all of them are
like baby bros to me. And I'm super proud of Saquon.
I'm super proud of what he's accomplished. And just to
be sitting there like they were getting on the fact
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that you know, he's he's married to a white girl, Like,
so what you're talking about, check the temperature of the room.
Speaker 2 (09:47):
I mean, for what it's worth, I'm not so at
least that kind of cancels it out.
Speaker 4 (09:51):
All I'm gonna say. All I would say is got
one first off. First off, so.
Speaker 3 (09:57):
I didn't hold up by into the bargain. It's like,
why are you paying attention to Why are you paying attention.
Speaker 4 (10:05):
To who that man loves? First of all? And this
is twenty twenty five, Jack, Like, be happy that is
a woman. Be happy that it's a woman. That's a
woman that I identifies as a woman and and doesn't
need any other pronouns added to you know, he's she, him, her.
Speaker 3 (10:27):
You're making things too complicated for me.
Speaker 4 (10:31):
If it's got to be that complicated to stay you know,
locked in to your own community.
Speaker 3 (10:37):
Of race, racial background. Oh, I just you know, I
don't know, man, that's wild.
Speaker 4 (10:44):
The tyebit perplexing to me, Like like you're Uncle Tom.
Speaker 3 (10:48):
Or you're you're the old you know, you're you're you're
the animal that comes out nets in.
Speaker 4 (10:52):
The trash at night because you're living your life like
you're you're you're pushing yourself. So you're basing any and
everything that a president has done off of off of
an athlete visiting or playing golf or being in the
mix of things.
Speaker 3 (11:12):
It's kind of state College. There you go, what's going
on there? The weather is a tornado? Oh they have
a they have a dirt devil in State College. Oh
that's sweet.
Speaker 2 (11:25):
What Yeah, look at that like the dirt devil. It's
like a like a dirt torn like an upside down
dirt tornado, like a dirt tornado. Anyway, I'm such a nerd.
Speaker 3 (11:35):
I gotta get a.
Speaker 4 (11:36):
Line speaking of speaking of State College, go figure and not.
You know, I just never knew. I never knew that
cats wasn't cool. That's why I learned yesterday. And like
seeing the certain people on there that were commenting and
laughing and this that and the other, like this is
funny because you know, at somebody else's expense, he went
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to the White House, somebody that represents your institution. You
got it listed on your information that you went to
the Pennsylvania State University. Like you're leveraging that. But you
sit here and you talk all this crazy mad head
about it, like nothing was ever nothing's ever going to
be perfect. The things that you experience in school, you're learning,
you're growing. People come from different backgrounds, of course, you're
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going to experience different things, whether it be prejudice, whether
it be racism, whether it be sexism, You're going to
experience different things. Because college is a microcosm of the
real world, you're going to experience different things. I just
thought it was interesting that they chose to They chose
to pinpoint Saquon and then generalize basically the entire football
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population outside of who I guess they conveniently who they're
cool with, who.
Speaker 3 (12:50):
They're bros with.
Speaker 4 (12:51):
Outside of the few that they're cool with that they're
comfortable about, the rest of us are just the same
as Saquon, which, by the way, I have no problem
being the same as Saquon. If that's the comparison, If
that's the cop that you want to put me into,
I have no problem being that guy.
Speaker 3 (13:10):
That's what you're feeling.
Speaker 2 (13:11):
So everything I've heard about Saquon Barkley is great, dude.
Speaker 4 (13:15):
One of the most phenomenal, humble, cool dudes you'll ever meet.
Speaker 3 (13:20):
Yeah, like they're super cool.
Speaker 2 (13:21):
There's there's no draw even after the Giants. Basically, no, no,
we don't want to remember, like we remember. We talked
about it on the air to where it was like
he could have stayed out and still he showed up.
Speaker 3 (13:33):
He still showed up early.
Speaker 2 (13:34):
He was still part of the team, even though you
know there was a franchise tag with a little juice
attitude or whatever you want to call it. Still showed up,
still had nothing but kind things to say, even as
the you know, Giants fans were attacking him like still
like took the high road, has always taken the high roads.
Speaker 4 (13:54):
Rushing record, single season rushing record, could have broke it.
And and Guy wins the best best, what's best for
the team is what I want to do.
Speaker 2 (14:01):
Guy wins the Super Bowl gets an opportunity to go
to the White.
Speaker 3 (14:05):
House, because that's what you do, is go to the
White House.
Speaker 2 (14:09):
Yes, and he's something he'd each, Yeah, I don't get it.
Speaker 3 (14:18):
Bruh.
Speaker 4 (14:19):
And and then and then people wonder why there be
so much divide and so much friction bro like on god, bruh,
Like it makes me I don't even want to go there,
because you know, I don't really I'm getting old, and
my filter is starting to run low.
Speaker 3 (14:37):
It's really starting to run low. At my tolerance level.
Speaker 4 (14:40):
Is so low, and and and every once in a while,
I be really ready to say what I'm really thinking
and what I'm really feeling. I'm a refrain. I'm a refrain.
But that's something crazy, that's crazy. That's crazy. That young
man is doing the best he can to be the
best he can be in his life and make a
difference for himself and his family and the people that
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matter in his life. You should be you should be
honoring that young man for what he's accomplishing. I guess,
I guess if he's not there, what's like. You're happy
he's not there, but you showed him. You're happy, You're
happy he's not there. But in reality, if you really
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think about it, you should be upset if he's not
there because we weren't always able to be there. You
see somebody with a place at the table, and you
got to You got.
Speaker 3 (15:35):
An issue with him because of what you feel about
the other person.
Speaker 4 (15:40):
You're mad at him for going to the representation of
our entire free world country. He's there, and you got
an issue with him because you got an issue with
who the president is.
Speaker 3 (15:51):
Uh? Do you remember when? Uh?
Speaker 2 (15:53):
And this is way back, but I don't know if
this was talked about when you were in DC, But
you remember when Washington that then Redskins won the Super
Bowl went and visited the White House, Ronald Reagan was
the president, and Ricky Sanders, who was a wide receiver
for Washington Rooky caught a pass at the White House
and he was being celebrated, and there was all this
(16:15):
like it was a big big I don't like, I
never heard anything about that being an issue with anybody
being there. I just thought it was, well, like that's
what you do. It's like, there is no black or white.
It's you show up. Obama was black, and white players
who may have voted Republicans show I never I never
(16:37):
heard of this until now, and now it's a big deal.
Speaker 3 (16:40):
I just I just care.
Speaker 4 (16:43):
You can have your beliefs and you can have your
you know what you feel about things. I tend to
stay away from politics because it's just it's it's just
it's a no win situation. You're never going to convince
anybody anything other So just do you make sure you
vote so your voice is heard. So if if you win,
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you could say you did your part. If you lose,
you tried. Bottom line, I don't get involved in it.
But when you start launching personal attacks like and for
what you should be you should be happy that that
man is representing your university in such a large forum,
and yet you're joking about it and making making real
(17:26):
like harsh assessments and and and throwing out that name,
like like take the name and add sa Quon say
say at and at the end of it.
Speaker 3 (17:38):
And that's what he was calling him in the in
the post.
Speaker 4 (17:41):
Right like like I'm getting older, Like I don't, I
don't feel the need to want like like the old me,
i'd have been like we on site, Like it's on site.
If I see you, I'm gonna punch you on your
mother f in mouth right on site. But we're I'm
at now, I'm growing, I'm growing, I'm growing as a person.
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And it just irritates me when black people do that,
when my own people, my representation of who I am.
I hate that ass broh. I hate it with a
support like like I was just talking yesterday yesterday about
what Bud Crawford said. Bud Crawford says, why do you
have to choose sides when it's when it's one of
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us fighting.
Speaker 3 (18:25):
We choose sides.
Speaker 4 (18:28):
When it's when it's a different group of people, when
it's say, say it's a Tyson Fury group of people
says the Gypsies.
Speaker 3 (18:35):
The Gypsies they bruh.
Speaker 4 (18:37):
They gonna celebrate one another and then they're gonna go
drink some pops after they're done. If they're Mexican, they're
gonna they're gonna celebrate one another, like celebrate both fighters.
We seem to be the only group of people that
enjoys and gets pleasure out of attacking one another. When
we see somebody being successful, it's the craziest thing to me.
Speaker 2 (19:00):
I was in Vegas for the because we did shows
out there for Fox Sports Radio for the McGregor Mayweather
fight Man. The Irish showed up, just like the English
showed up when Ricky Hatton fought him, just like there's
there's this you know, like you show up and there
there is a support to it.
Speaker 3 (19:18):
That's a different level of support that doesn't feels as top.
Speaker 4 (19:23):
Like if you want to use the excuse against a
different racial group, like I get it, I get it.
You want to use it like you want to use
the reasoning we've been done wrong.
Speaker 3 (19:36):
Right chusing against somebody else? Why you're using it against
your old people. It's the weird Like, bro.
Speaker 4 (19:44):
I'm getting old. I keep telling y'all, and my resistance
is low. So I'm gonna just tell people how I
feel because I don't care anymore. I don't care about validation.
I don't care if it's politically correct. I don't care
if it's right to you or if it made you happy.
I don't care if you're not black and you're list
name right now and it's like, oh, where's Brady?
Speaker 3 (20:03):
We will now. I don't care for.
Speaker 2 (20:05):
What it's worth. I didn't know you were black until
like twenty minutes. I'm black, brother, I'm black and super
proud of it. Hey, I don't Hey, I'm not no token. Now,
don't don't get it twicted, because I'll chip your two.
Speaker 5 (20:18):
And what am I?
Speaker 3 (20:19):
You're white? Real white? Yeah? I mean you're a vampire.
Yeah right.
Speaker 4 (20:23):
I just is what it is. I don't know what
Lee is though, Lee. I don't know what to call Lee.
That's the thing I get. I get.
Speaker 3 (20:31):
I get a tad bit confused as to what is he?
Speaker 4 (20:33):
A conquist the door is he?
Speaker 3 (20:36):
He dabbles way? What is he?
Speaker 4 (20:39):
I get confused on Loreena. I'm confused on the whole
back room. But it doesn't matter.
Speaker 3 (20:43):
I got love for all of us. She's from cous bag.
I got love for everybody. Man.
Speaker 4 (20:48):
Why can't people just you don't have to pick sides.
It's the morrow of this story. And leave Saquan alone.
Quon is just fine. Leave him, Leave him alone.
Speaker 3 (20:58):
No borders, baby, old boy, you did love. Shouldn't have borders.
Speaker 1 (21:03):
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Speaker 2 (21:16):
We've got some good news, good news for the NFL
that we're going to start this hour with, and it's
involving the Draft. So the NFL says that draft viewership
this year was up eleven percent over last year on
Night one, it was up forty eight percent on Day
two and forty three percent on Day three.
Speaker 3 (21:40):
Why do you think that was lebar? Why do you
think the draft viewership was up this year? I mean.
Speaker 4 (21:46):
Again, And the quick and short of it is the
Shador Sanders storyline. I mean, that's the great I was
about to give you a whole but I ain't in
the move. Yeah, it's the Chador Sanders storyline. And you know,
a lot of people made a point to to say,
he takes credit, you know, or you should you know,
have him take a bow, and the NFL should you know,
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applaud him and he should be compensated for carrying a
draft largely in part that had no real hype coming
into the day itself or the day's plural.
Speaker 2 (22:22):
Well, Chris Carter uh the Hall of Famer Uh. He
was speaking about the shad Or Sanders situation. He was
on fully loaded and had this to.
Speaker 6 (22:32):
Say, let me tell you what he understands today.
Speaker 5 (22:34):
Okay, he ain't running.
Speaker 6 (22:37):
Okay, let me tell you what they taught him, A
great lesson. Okay, Like you don't have this figured out,
your dad, don't have this figured out?
Speaker 3 (22:44):
Whose they and a fast world?
Speaker 1 (22:47):
No?
Speaker 5 (22:47):
Who tell you said they taught him?
Speaker 3 (22:48):
I'm just curious, like, well, the system, the system.
Speaker 5 (22:50):
There's a system out there. Man, Like you're you're going
for a job interview.
Speaker 6 (22:55):
So for his job interview, he was so concerned about, oh,
what his outfit was. His necklace was over one hundred grand.
He hadn't even convinced people that you're the face of
our franchise. Matter of fact, he had convinced people that
they were better off going in a different direction, even
with people who had lesser talent.
Speaker 3 (23:12):
That's the rub he put on the people. That's the case.
That's a bad interview, bro. No, it is the case.
Speaker 6 (23:17):
He didn't get drafted, right, it's no speculation.
Speaker 5 (23:20):
Like we're through the draft.
Speaker 3 (23:22):
We through three days.
Speaker 6 (23:23):
He threw away at least thirty to fifty million dollars.
Speaker 2 (23:28):
So that is uh, that is Chris Carter airing out
Shador Sanders for the thirty to fifty million dollars.
Speaker 4 (23:37):
Is he airing him out or is he It's perspective.
It's perspective. Everything is going to be speculation though. That's
the bottom line. Like, as much as it makes sense
what he's saying, that still could be speculation. Yeah, he
knows a lot of people. Chris Carter is very well connected.
But still nonetheless unless you're in those war rooms. Because
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some people have very different different opinions of it. I mean,
people have said he bombed out, you know his interviews.
Some people said that he just wasn't that good. Some
people have debated that he was that good. Some people
debated that he was in colla. I guess consideration for
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a top five pick top six pick. It runs the
whole gambit of opinions and thoughts and ideas of what
Shador Sanders you know, was in the draft. Now, what
I will say to that, Jonas is everybody has all
of these strong opinions, and I think ultimately the truth
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is somewhere in there, and it probably touches on all
of the elements that a lot of people are talking about.
He probably was considered to be a top prospect at
one point in time. There probably was a overplaying of
the cards. I keep hearing people say that the Sanders
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family overplayed their hand and they lost terribly and overplaying
it meaning that you know, and I think it was
Chris Carter that actually said this too, that Shador Sanders
totally trusted his dad and was bombing, was bombing, sabotaging
himself in meetings team team interviews that you know, obviously
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he didn't want to go to those teams, and it
may have gotten out that narrative may have started to
get out and was discussed, and it was talked about.
And again I think the one I think, the one
thing that was I find to be the most interesting
of all of the scenarios is do you view Shador
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Sanders as a starter in the National Football League because
one of the opinions, and I'm not sure who it
came from, but maybe it was cow Hurt. One of
the opinions was, if you're drafting a guy early, you're
drafting them to be a starter. Once you get outside
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of a certain amount of draft picks, you're now drafting
for a backup. Shador Sanders clearly was drafted out of
backups draft position number in the draft and.
Speaker 2 (26:29):
Started interrupt But to that point, that was one of
the talking points about when the Browns took Dylan Gabriel
that people in the NFL loved him and they viewed
him as a backup, like that's a solid backup quarterback
because of there his experience and things he did in college,
and he was taken before Shudor.
Speaker 4 (26:45):
And you may never see Dylan Gabriel ever get see
the light of day of touching a football field in
the National Football League. It may never happen. And I
find it interesting because there's the strong possibility that Shador
Sanders may never touch the football field. He got drafted
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behind the guy that may never see the football field.
Like you got to think about this one or two
of them, they may go. They may not even make
the roster.
Speaker 3 (27:17):
And who knows when they they.
Speaker 4 (27:19):
You know when they get let go. I don't know
when they get let Who knows when they get let go.
So there are a lot of there are a lot
of things elements involved in all of this.
Speaker 3 (27:32):
I thought that was the.
Speaker 4 (27:33):
Best kind of explanation was if you've decided that Shador
Sanders isn't worthy of being a starter, which look, if
you want to create a personal opinion about it and
make it racial, or make it about Dion's dad or
whatever it is you want to do, go right ahead.
Speaker 3 (27:54):
It's it's so tiring to try to.
Speaker 4 (27:57):
Villainize and and and make people, you know, what is
it the you know, victimized. That's what I'm looking for.
Speaker 3 (28:07):
Go ahead. I'm just telling you this is what I believe.
Speaker 4 (28:11):
Either you viewed him as a starter, and if you
viewed him as a starter, I don't give a damn
if he bombed out interview, I don't care. You see
him on his interviews and he's and you think he's arrogant.
It doesn't matter if they view him as a starter.
They're not doing this all We're gonna humble him. No, da, da,
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They're gonna draft him. They're gonna draft him.
Speaker 2 (28:37):
Look at Mike Green, who got drafted by the Ravens.
I think in the second round, second or third round.
Speaker 3 (28:42):
They took Pierce, they took Peers.
Speaker 4 (28:44):
James Pearce had off field issues and that's why he
fell into draft.
Speaker 3 (28:47):
They took him in the first round.
Speaker 2 (28:49):
Mike Green had multiple like assault claims against him going
back to high school, and still the Ravens took him,
and the thought was he's a first round talent, Like
the talent will outweigh it. So so whatever it is
you want to settle in on as to why the
system they this fictitious figure, that's that's totally your prerogative.
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All I'm saying is is if they viewed him as
a starter, if there was one singular team out of
the thirty two that saw and viewed him as a starter,
he would have been drafted in a earlier round. So
once you realize that they're grade of him dictated where
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they were going to take them, now it's like, well,
do we take him or do we take this other guy?
Speaker 4 (29:39):
Do we roll with this position or do we roll
with this quarterback we could use. You can never have
too many quarterbacks to bring in the camp. It's not
going to cost as much.
Speaker 3 (29:47):
What do you do? They passed thirty two passed.
Speaker 4 (29:49):
Him up, first round, second round, third round, fourth round.
Thirty two teams passed him up repeatedly. So in the end,
you can say it's a conspiracy theory. They're humbling him.
They're doing this, they're doing that. Maybe some maybe at
some point during that draft, that's what it was, but
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not early on, not early on. If you're great, is
your great, you're gonna get drafted. You're gonna get drafted.
So at the end of the day, he probably fell
into project quarterback, which is it doesn't mean you're not
a starter. It just doesn't mean that maybe you're not
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a starter today. And everything else that's connected to what's
taking place added to a case study of this is
a project quarterback, meaning it's going to take some development
and some time for him to learn the game at
the pro level and integrate him into being an eventual starter.
(31:00):
All the other stuff made it feel as though this
is a tremendous Now you got to say, what's risk
reward of taking on this project player?
Speaker 3 (31:11):
We got to do this.
Speaker 4 (31:12):
But in the meanwhile, you know what's going to happen
any good team, and this is going to happen in Cleveland.
You watch what I tell you, Every single thing that
happens is going to be something or somebody else's fault,
and no organization wants to deal with that. They're not
going to want to deal with What did Colin say?
I think it was Colin. I don't want to misquote.
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You don't want more cameras in the locker of a backup,
maybe even third fourth string on your team.
Speaker 3 (31:41):
You don't want all of the cameras.
Speaker 4 (31:43):
You don't want a circus or whatever it is people
are labeling it. You don't want all of that confusion
in your locker room for somebody that's not even going
to get on the field.
Speaker 2 (31:53):
There is something to a backup who's too loud and
people can like because people looked at you know, the
Colin kap Next stuff and we're like, oh god, you
know he's being blackballed, and et cetera, et cetera.
Speaker 4 (32:04):
He was Okay, well, I mean but but it's a
totally different situation.
Speaker 2 (32:09):
But my point is that there was also the same
conversation about Tim Tebow like man like that. There's a
lot that comes with that. I had the black ball
Tim Tebow that had to get him out, and there's
a lot that comes with that, and you don't want
that as your backup, like that's not so I get
why teams would be hesitant to do it. I also
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look at this as well too, because not only were
the ratings up all three days, but you also saw
the information come out about top Jersey sales of rookies
who were drafted in the top ten. Nine of the
top ten were first round picks. The only one that
wasn't was shad Or Sanders. He was third, Travis Hunter
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was first. So that tells me, based on the viewership
the Jersey sales, that there's a reason why Colorado hired
Dion Sanders. And it worked because you can say, well, look,
they didn't win a national title and should or got
whatever you want to call it. It was about bringing
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back and resurrecting the program and getting people interested again,
and it worked and it translated in Colorado. In Boulder,
the scene that was there, the hype that was there,
the concerts, Big newon kickoff game Day, all those shows
showed up and then when you got to the NFL Draft,
the ratings increased over forty percent day two and day
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three because of shidh or Sanders.
Speaker 3 (33:39):
So whatever they're doing, and because right, if we're being honest,
because of Dion Sanders. But but that's okay, but that's fine.
But it's be clear it's because of Dion's and that's fine.
Speaker 2 (33:51):
But to Chris Carter saying, well, you know, he costs himself,
you know, twenty thirty million dollars. Maybe, But what they've
done there is they've made people care and they've created
a business and a platform for themselves that I don't.
Speaker 4 (34:07):
It extends beyond, it extends beyond the parameters of the game.
Speaker 3 (34:11):
I mean, it wouldn't surprise he's not he doesn't need football.
Speaker 2 (34:15):
I mean, when you hear, okay, he cost himself twenty
thirty million dollars whatever that never was.
Speaker 3 (34:19):
That he threw out there, bro, he's already probably got it.
Speaker 4 (34:22):
He's already doing ads for Delta is a Delta or
was it Delta Lee it's one of the is.
Speaker 3 (34:29):
One of those airlines. He's already doing major airlines.
Speaker 2 (34:32):
And he's a fifth round pick. Come on, man, But
he's Chaudore Sanders.
Speaker 4 (34:37):
So at the end of the day, whichever side you
fall on, you could call it what you want. If
we're keeping it on the in the parameters of in
between the lines, it's football. You gotta look at it,
and you gotta say he was viewed as a backup
quarterback of project quarterback and they were going to have
to work on them. And now your decision comes from there.
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That's to me, that's the conclusion you draw in between
the lines, outside of the lines. Whatever it is that
you're drawing your opinions and you're basing it off of,
that's on you. That's on you and your personal approach
to how you see us. Apparently, apparently you're never going
to get one side to view things the same way. Right,
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there's gonna be a whole Liar's gonna be a multitude
of opinions about your door Sanders. There's gonna be the
ones who hate them all the way from the hate
to the love, and in between that hate and that
love spectrum, You're gonna have every single opinion, theory, concept
that anybody can come up with or think of as
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to why Schador Sanders wasn't a higher draft pick. As
to why Schador Sanders is in the situation that he's
in right now.
Speaker 2 (35:51):
And for anybody complaining about the Browns drafting Schador Sanders
after taking Dylan.
Speaker 3 (35:55):
Gabriel, I just like to point out it could be worse.
Speaker 2 (35:57):
You could have given two hundred and thirty million dollars
some guy who's spent one hundred days.
Speaker 3 (36:02):
Out of a calendar year at the Grab.
Speaker 2 (36:04):
Lab, So they could be worse. So just for you know,
on the bright side of things, Leeway.
Speaker 7 (36:10):
Schador did sign an endorsement deal with Delta, And if
you were to look at the numbers, you know, cam
Ward's rookie deal is worth forty eight million including thirty
two signing bonus with the sixth pick in the fifth round.
Shador's contract is four point six including a four hundred
forty six thousand sighting, so that's about forty four million.
Speaker 2 (36:27):
He's got that in a fanny pack hanging up in
his closet somewhere, and a.
Speaker 4 (36:32):
Lot of people's theories are that, you know, people are
upset with that too, you know. And the question became,
how motivated is this young man to be a project quarterback?
How motivated is he to be what he needs to
be and becoming the pro that he needs to become.
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Some people have used that theory, so I mean the
bottom line, here's the bottom line. Don prime Time Sanders
created a persona. He tells you about it. Prime Time
is the persona. It's not the man. Dion Sanders is
the man, and he's a fine man. He's that is
a good man. He's a just man. Shortcomings just like
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any other person, but is a fine man. I know
that I know him personally. That man was there for
me and supported me and in a very in a
tough position I was in in my life as a
rookie when I came into to training cap He's a
fine person. If we're looking at it where we're judging
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these people and their character, that's on you. I think
he's done an excellent job of raising his kids. He's
put them in positions to have the level of success
that they've had. This is not about Shador. This is
about d On prime Time. In every opinion that you're
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creating and everything that you're thinking and and basing it
off of, is a persona that was created long before
Shador Sanders was even thought of or born. They are
executing what they know. They are executing who they are.
They are true to who they are. Schador didn't back
away from who he was during during this time. They
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didn't draft him, he didn't back away from it. You
didn't see him take his jewelry off and and and
say it's not legendary anymore and not show any money
in the club with the Louis bags and stuff.
Speaker 3 (38:34):
You didn't see him take take a back seat. They
don't care what you think.
Speaker 4 (38:41):
And I like that because what that's considered to be
is living free. But now when you live free, you
have to understand and living free the way that they
live as Sanders kids and as a family, you may
run into a situation where employers don't want that their
doors Tay's closed.
Speaker 3 (39:03):
It's not no big conspiracy theory.
Speaker 2 (39:05):
You remember when Manziel was a freshman, When Johnny Manziel
was a freshman, there was sort of this mystery around
him to where nobody really knew anything about They knew
Johnny football, He had the visor, and nobody really was
sure what he looked like or anything. And part of
that was because Texas A and M had this rule.
And I remember, because I reached out to the SID
at the time to try and get him on for
an interview, and they had this rule to where freshmen
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don't do interviews. Dion, Sanders and shod Or are like, Oh,
not only will we do interviews, We'll have rap concerts,
we'll have game days there, we'll have big Newton kickoff,
We'll be we'll get sponsored by a sunglass brand. They
were totally out front and in the open the entire time.
And look, man, you could say that, yeah, well it
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rubbed people the wrong way. I don't know, man, Dion's
been building brands for decades now, and I just don't
see a lot of misses with him.
Speaker 3 (39:58):
When it comes to that standpoint, maybe you'll get.
Speaker 2 (39:59):
Any opportunity, Maybe he won't make it to the season
and won't be on the roster. But when you see
the numbers that are out there, like he tells you
about sort of what they were building and what they
were trying to accomplish, and I gotta be honest with you,
it kind of worked.
Speaker 3 (40:15):
It kind of worked.
Speaker 1 (40:16):
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Speaker 2 (40:27):
And it is a Wednesday, which means we've got a
tradition to uphold on this show.
Speaker 3 (40:31):
Hey, where to the old Bay though them old Bay fish?
Speaker 2 (40:36):
Oh those are gone gone? Yeah, the Old Bay goldfish crackers.
My son and I rip those. Those are gone. He
is Petros Papadegas, the co host of the Petros Mony Show,
which you can hear on the Blowtorch AM five to
seventy LA Sports, a Fox College football analyst, and our
good buddy on ex at the Old p Petros.
Speaker 5 (40:56):
Good morning, Good morning guys, let's pop gone there. Good morning, LeVar.
Speaker 3 (41:01):
Hey, how you doing. I'm all right, I'm okay, good so.
Speaker 2 (41:05):
Good to know, Patricks. I just want to first, you know,
send my condolences to you and yours. I know you
were pretty distraught that should or had to wait as
long as he did.
Speaker 5 (41:14):
Tough for me.
Speaker 8 (41:15):
So it's really I got to say, uh, I had
a conversation with somebody about this last night, somebody who
knows better than me, uh as far as like how
executives think and all of that. And I know for
a fact that this made the draft more interesting for me.
I'm not a fan of the NFL Draft. I never
(41:37):
have been, and I'll explain it, LeVar. It's like we
deal with all the douchiary before and at halftime and
after a football game because there's a football game to watch, right,
Like I might even tolerate as a viewer, you know,
(41:59):
Ian Rapport and whatever other douchebag information guy going back
and forth about who's right about the information they have
and all that different stuff, Like I will tolerate that,
you know, Peter Schrager, I'll tolerate all of that crap
because you know that there's a game coming.
Speaker 5 (42:17):
And that's the amazing thing about the.
Speaker 3 (42:19):
NFL Draft game coming.
Speaker 8 (42:21):
It is just the self flating NFL information guide douchiarie
for literally four.
Speaker 5 (42:29):
Hours and there's no game.
Speaker 8 (42:32):
And the fact that you know, six hundred thousand people
will show up for it or whatever it was throughout
the weekend and they'll get seven and a half million
viewers combined for an event that has no actual payoff.
That's pretty amazing. Oh, deep down, ESPN, the NFL network,
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they're high fiving.
Speaker 5 (42:57):
No matter what pundit you might feel like made a
fool of themselves or didn't.
Speaker 8 (43:02):
They're having a hell of a time feeling great about
the draft because everybody watched because of one thing.
Speaker 5 (43:10):
Now, I would allege.
Speaker 8 (43:12):
Earlier before I had this conversation that yeah, okay, NFL
networks high fiving, ESPN's high fiving, But deep down, the NFL,
because all of their draft picks were overshadowed and many
of their pundits are embarrassed or are embarrassing, the NFL
(43:34):
must be pretty red in the face. They can't be
happy about the way this went down. And the guy
I was with last night, who's an executive, said, are
you kidding? They don't care. They just want people to
talk about them. They love it. They're not embarrassed. They
don't have some kind of moral high ground that they're
standing on and saying, oh, we don't like this room
(43:54):
for room for room. No, this was an embarrassment, but
it was also a gigantic victory.
Speaker 5 (44:02):
For the NFL.
Speaker 8 (44:03):
These leagues are always trying to become the biggest story
of the week, especially if they're not playing, like that's
a huge bonus. Off season, it's the biggest story of
the week. The NBA off season kind of tried to
create that in the summer, so that's kind of The
big picture of what I thought after the weekend is
this was a travesty. Is anybody embarrassed by it? And
(44:27):
the answer is no, nobody. Nobody is embarrassed about it.
Speaker 4 (44:33):
You don't feel like the eventual crash out that was
going to take place by mel Kuiper that took place
this draft weekend, You don't think he's embarrassed about that?
Speaker 3 (44:43):
Today?
Speaker 8 (44:44):
I go no. I mean, I don't know if he
had any shame, he would have tucked it in after
the Jimmy claus and stuff.
Speaker 5 (44:50):
You know, you know what I mean.
Speaker 8 (44:52):
I mean, it's a whole different cottage industry, and Mel
Kuiper has made the draft what it is. And again,
you know, I'm a guy in his basement screaming into
a microphone.
Speaker 5 (45:02):
I mean, I understand, uh, the level of interest. I don't.
Maybe I don't, but I I look, this moved the.
Speaker 8 (45:12):
Needle in a huge way, and the NFL and everybody
else involved is taking a victory lap. I don't know
what Kuiper's like. He could be looking in the mirror saying,
you know, I hate you. I don't know, but uh,
but overall, it was, uh, it was it was an
event that I watched, and you know, usually I'm semi
(45:34):
interested in the draft as far as oh I know
this player, Hey good for that guy, or hey, that's
what a cool story, but nothing to where I was
like riveted and people were texting me, he's not gonna go,
He's not going you know, you know, like he's not
gonna go. We were all, you know, pretty pretty uh
pretty glued to it.
Speaker 5 (45:54):
And and there's no doubt about it.
Speaker 8 (45:56):
And you have to give the NFL whatever perverse kind
of credit you'd want to give them. I mean, to me,
if you're Jackson Dart or any of these guys, and
everybody's having a temper tantrum when you get picked. Anybody
who got picked anywhere that they thought Shador Sanders was
going to get picked.
Speaker 5 (46:14):
The panel had a temper tantrum. On day two.
Speaker 8 (46:18):
Everybody seemed, even Joel who's a Colorado guy, Like, everybody
seemed to get reeled in except for your brother with
the with the hair helmet.
Speaker 2 (46:28):
So Petros, would you see like the numbers and you
mentioned the interest, it's there and the viewership numbers up
over forty percent on day two from the previous year,
up over forty percent on Day three from the previous year.
Speaker 5 (46:42):
Yeah, I mean they wish they could create this every year.
Speaker 3 (46:44):
Oh yeah, And so I look at it and I go,
but this.
Speaker 5 (46:48):
Was a natural occurrence.
Speaker 8 (46:49):
I mean, this was a rebuke, a rebuke of the
NFL's front offices against the Shador Sanders and Dion Sanders
and how they went about this. I don't think he
was a first round pick ever, Like I really don't,
But I don't think he would have gone that deep
had they not. Maybe, and they've admitted it themselves, maybe
(47:10):
they could have gone about this in.
Speaker 5 (47:12):
A different way.
Speaker 8 (47:13):
And I think that's probably in hindsight, I think that
that's what they would end up doing.
Speaker 2 (47:19):
Doesn't also speak though to there's like this is why
Colorado bringing in Dion Sanders like this? This was part
of it because we're talking about a fifth round pick
and his rookie jersey sale is third amongst all draft picks.
I mean, he's the only non first round pick. And
it just goes to show you, like, man, Colorado was
(47:40):
desperate to have anything and to see the noise that
comes along and the coverage that comes along with Dion
and Shador and man, we have brought up Travis Hunter,
who's the best player in the draft potentially. Like, it
just tells me Colorado was right in the move they made.
It may never result in a national time and Dion
(48:00):
could be the coach of the Browns in two years,
who the hell knows. But what they did was put
the program back on the map, and they did so
by way of Dion Sanders, who put his son and
his whole brand on the map.
Speaker 5 (48:12):
Again. Yeah, you can't argue with it.
Speaker 8 (48:13):
I mean you can say that it's manufactured and the
story is deeply manufactured because it doesn't warrant.
Speaker 5 (48:22):
I mean, I was a.
Speaker 8 (48:22):
Little offended just because everybody's like, well, Colorado football is
not doing anything for twenty years.
Speaker 5 (48:28):
It's like, no, no, that's not true.
Speaker 8 (48:30):
They had a coach, the guy from San Jose McIntyre
or whatever. That guy had him in the PAC twelfth
championship game with Philip Lindsay and that big quarterback I
think his name was Montees or something.
Speaker 5 (48:42):
I mean, not that it's very memorable.
Speaker 8 (48:44):
To anybody else, but that was a higher performing team,
you know, in the last twenty years, in the last
ten years, than what Shadour and Travis Hunter and Dion
did just as far as you know, Ex's and Ozen
on the field, that was actually a better team. Stephen Montes, Yes,
Stephen Montes. And and that's okay, I mean, that's fine.
(49:06):
This is this is a manufactured story. But what is
it manufactured? Revenue, attention, television ratings, you know, all of
these different things. And it's hard to argue with that now.
Other than most of the points that everybody's already made.
I think it is interesting because this did prove one
(49:29):
point the media and.
Speaker 5 (49:32):
Whatever that is.
Speaker 8 (49:33):
You know, when whatever your interpretation is, when you hear
somebody say that word, the media couldn't get this guy drafted,
and and and I think this was a little bit
of a reprimand on the media, because the last time
I saw the media get a guy drafted out of
place was Lonzo Ball, right, And you had to be
(49:57):
an idiot like Magic Johnson, the same guy that raided
away of vitza booth zubats Uh. You have to be
somebody who was very naive to fall into the media
trap because he was local and all that to draft
Lonzo Ball as opposed to Jason Tatum ord Aaron.
Speaker 5 (50:16):
Fox, you know, and I know about Mark l. Foltz,
but and all that.
Speaker 8 (50:20):
But he was a consensus number one, and gms don't
get fired if you pick the guy that's a consensus
number one, because you just figure, yeah, everybody else would
have picked him. It's not my fault. So that's the
only other time I've really seemed like just a huge
media swell to get a guy drafted out of place.
Speaker 5 (50:39):
And this seemed.
Speaker 8 (50:40):
Like a like a little bit of a reprimand on
on all the talk for months and months that the
NFL wasn't having it.
Speaker 4 (50:48):
Speaking of reprimands, p I mean the kid they did
the prank, he apologized.
Speaker 8 (50:56):
I didn't know how prevalent though. I didn't know that
that had been a thing. Yeah he got cut, but
like I didn't know that that had happened last year
and years before it happened to another kid.
Speaker 5 (51:06):
Well, I had no idea.
Speaker 4 (51:07):
I mean, shouldn't something like the fact that it's it
got leaked by you know, uh an official will say
inside of the organization, shouldn't there be some type of
consequence to it?
Speaker 8 (51:20):
I mean, I don't know what he wanted to do
to poor old Brick. He's already I mean, he's already embarrassed.
I mean, you know, his kids, embarrassed himself, and the
kid has apologized.
Speaker 3 (51:29):
I mean, he got caught.
Speaker 8 (51:31):
I mean, should we have him stand somewhere like butts
up shame? Oh yeah, shame? What Arab butts up?
Speaker 3 (51:37):
Maybe seven seven canes?
Speaker 4 (51:39):
I don't, yeah, you know, change shame, you know, maybe
change shame.
Speaker 8 (51:44):
I mean, isn't that happening? I mean, isn't he being
I mean, isn't it happening right now?
Speaker 4 (51:48):
If I'm the NFL, you don't want that to like
your biggest storyline? What shador Sanders? And that became a
part of the storyline when and everybody went running for
the phone and it's it's time.
Speaker 3 (52:04):
I've been waiting for your call.
Speaker 4 (52:07):
Well you're gonna keep waiting, Like in the moment, it
shouldn't like it was kind of like maybe a tab it,
Like I don't want to admit it was funny.
Speaker 3 (52:14):
I thought the whole thing was racial, to be honest
with you.
Speaker 4 (52:16):
But that's just all I'm gonna say. And that's that's
a whole another deal. That's that's that's a whole nother deal.
But anyway, I mean, I just feel like there should
be some type of repercussion. If the information that's a
private line and that information gets out where something like
that can happen from an organization, I just listen.
Speaker 8 (52:36):
I think it's important that at some point, I know,
it didn't happen this time, but at some point I
feel like we're gonna get a black quarterback drafted high.
Speaker 3 (52:44):
I agree Petro's oh, that's sarcasm. I agree. What are
you trying to say.
Speaker 5 (52:49):
I'm just saying I don't.
Speaker 8 (52:51):
I mean, I just look when somebody goes like, you know,
this is because the kid wears chains and he raps,
and I was like, dude, if you took all the
guys out that we're chains and raps, you know, we
don't have a league, you know, I mean, we don't.
Speaker 5 (53:04):
Have anything to talk about. You know.
Speaker 8 (53:06):
I mean every guy that I know that I played
football with that was of a certain background, most of
them thought that they could do three things, rap, look cool,
and jewelry, and played basketball. And the truth is none
of those things were true. They could just play football.
I mean, our best basketball players were usually the guys
(53:28):
who played quarterback because they were tall and they actually
had played high school basketball.
Speaker 5 (53:35):
Now it's an amazing story. The whole thing, LeVar is amazing.
Speaker 8 (53:39):
And there's so many different avenues to take it, and
I think that there's a lot of social commentary that
comes along with it. That you know, if you feel
a certain kind of way about a certain kind of
thing on one way or the other, you can find
something about this Shadeur's story and make it a platform
and attack others. I think it happens all the time
in sports these days, which is really unfortunately sort of
(54:02):
lost our anonymity.
Speaker 5 (54:03):
With the political world, and people use these stories.
Speaker 3 (54:07):
Look at what happened to Saquon, right, what's your take
on that? I saw?
Speaker 4 (54:10):
You saw like they're attacking Saquona. People are attacking Saquon,
Like I just don't understand why a man can't live
his life like you can have your own political views
and personal feelings, but why are you projecting that on
the like we don't like like Petros, you don't have
to live for somebody else, Like you don't have to
(54:31):
give validation from somebody else.
Speaker 8 (54:33):
If my daughter wants to go to the Trump golf
course where they stamp the Trump name on the burger,
and she likes the way it looks because she's nine.
I'm gonna take her. You know, I don't care what
somebody on the Twitter might say. No, I'm I think
you did a great job of being a little bit
more I guess just reasonable with his explanation as to
(54:54):
what he was doing.
Speaker 4 (54:55):
I like, if he's not there, have a problem like, Okay,
you're inviting people like be.
Speaker 3 (55:03):
Upset at that you're upset that he's there.
Speaker 8 (55:06):
No, I think you've come to a point where there's
a group of people who they're gonna think that you're
evil if you deal with uh, with the guy who
they elected president, and that's not I don't think that's
right either. It's obviously a hot button topic for a
lot of people because some people are just absolutely and totally,
(55:26):
just gutturally opposed to anything that that guy does, whether
it's good or bad. So that that's a tough story,
and I hate the fact that athletes get sucked into that.
But you know, there is a bigger There is a
bigger picture when it comes to the Shador thing, just
as far as him being not being drafted high or
anybody in a professional league, whatever that league is. And
(55:50):
you understand better than anybody else talking the pain in
the ass factor on one side of the scale, and
then the other side is how good is this guy?
How much can he contribute? And once that pain in
the ass factor starts to outweigh that, how.
Speaker 3 (56:10):
Good is this guy and they're going to take you.
Speaker 8 (56:12):
People don't stick around very long, right, you know. I
mean I think about Yasiel Puig, one of the biggest
stories that I've covered, when since we've had the Dodgers,
he disappeared every day. What's PLEI gonna do? What's ple
gonna do? What did look at the face he made?
You know, but he'd show up late and this and
that and that was publicly. Privately, you know, they couldn't
(56:33):
get him to come home at night. You know, they
they they were struggling.
Speaker 3 (56:36):
It didn't granky like throw his stuff off a bus.
Speaker 5 (56:39):
Yeah, I mean they had a lot.
Speaker 8 (56:41):
Yeah that wasn't a book, and they struggled. You know,
they had a mentor living with him, all this stuff.
But the second that his performance dropped below all the
stuff you have to do to keep this guy around
because he's a pain in the ass, he was gone. Kaepernick,
t Bow, I mean, two different sides of the same coin.
(57:01):
The second your story becomes bigger than what it's worth
for the actual team.
Speaker 5 (57:06):
They get rid of you, you know, whether it's right
or wrong, they get rid of you.
Speaker 8 (57:11):
Who else Johnny Manzel, you know, I mean it just
goes on and on. This is a professional league. So
that part of it that made a lot of sense
to me. One thing I thought that was funny was
my radio partner was like, you know, what do they got.
Speaker 5 (57:25):
Louis Vuton trunks in the corner for what is that?
Why do they have those just stacked up? You know?
And I was like, those are like fifty thousand dollars
a piece. And he's like, yeah, why do they have those?
What is this?
Speaker 8 (57:36):
And I was like, well, you know, it's actually quite interesting.
I mean, Louis Vuton. If you're gonna have Louis Vauton
stuff like, that's the most authentic thing you could have,
because that's what Louis Vauton actually made. Louis Vuitton was
a poor carpenter type. He was an artisan. He walked
(57:57):
the seventy or whatever it is miles from leo Own
to Paris, taking odd jobs on the way, and he
became a guy in Paris who made really bougie traveling
trunks for rich people who travel on boats and trains
and stuff like that, where people would use a big
(58:19):
ass trunk and be gone gold. Yeah, months and months
and months, and those trunks. That's what Louis Vauton made
for like a hundred years before you know, they started
making sunglasses and hats and purses.
Speaker 5 (58:33):
And all the scarves and all the other stuff.
Speaker 8 (58:36):
So I thought the Louis Vuton trunk choice was was
a very classy choice, you know, in the and then
we found out what was in it.
Speaker 2 (58:45):
Straight cash, gray cash, you know, the words of the
great Tony Bruno, that's beautiful, Louis Vuitton knowledge man, beautiful man, beautiful.
Speaker 8 (58:54):
I will say this though I don't know, and the
honest question, I don't know. If the cash is in
the trunks, could buy the trunk. Yeah, those sixty thousand
bucks really, Oh they're beautiful. Yeah, you know, they're like
they're really like, you know, it's like buying a piece
of furniture.
Speaker 5 (59:11):
I think people would say that. And Shdor's got two
just scattered in the corner filled with.
Speaker 3 (59:16):
Cat Yeah, they was opening them bad boys up.
Speaker 8 (59:18):
Yeah, it's not from Cleveland cash, but it's Cleveland it's
cash Petros.
Speaker 2 (59:22):
Uh, before we let you go, you got to call
your shot here. When the Lakers get eliminated by the Timberwolves,
what are you.
Speaker 5 (59:30):
Talking about there? Think that the they'll have the refs
help them out.
Speaker 2 (59:33):
Well, I was gonna say when they do tonight. When
they do, it could be tonight, it could be game six.
But when they do, first excuse you'll hear from the
Lakers about the loss will be.
Speaker 5 (59:47):
What, oh, we didn't have time to develop.
Speaker 8 (59:50):
They might throw JJ Reddick under the bus because you know,
there's a reason nobody left their whole team out there
for the whole second half ever before ever. You know,
it's one thing to be innovative, it's another thing to
be stupid, like you're coaching a video game.
Speaker 5 (01:00:06):
You know. Reddick's interesting.
Speaker 8 (01:00:07):
Had he overcame a lot of the negativity and very
honest negativity about him because he had no coaching experience
coming into this, and he overcame a lot of that
and drew a lot of praise from a lot of
people that were criticizing him. But the second the playoffs
has started, he's really shown his ass. I mean, they
(01:00:28):
got they were getting beat up in that first game,
and they do those in game interviews, you know now,
and he's like, listen, you know, we we're just getting beat.
This has nothing to do with schematics nothing. It's like
you said it like three times and it's like, okay, dude,
we get it.
Speaker 5 (01:00:42):
You don't want to act like you're being out coached.
Speaker 8 (01:00:45):
Whether it's true or not, it just seems like he's
he's got huge rabbit ears and I just can't stand
listening to him talk. And he's That's probably where they'll
blame it. They'll probably blame his lack of playoff coaching experience,
or they'll say, well, this team just wasn't very built
very well for the playoffs, and Nico's.
Speaker 5 (01:01:07):
Gonna have a little victory lap.
Speaker 3 (01:01:08):
In Dallas, right of course, and he deserves it.
Speaker 8 (01:01:12):
Every year, you know, the Clippers were looking good for
a second there. Yeah, and they're still alive. But and
I guess they're they're in better shape than the Lakers, right,
Like I guess you could say that.
Speaker 5 (01:01:23):
And every year people are like, this is it, pee,
you know, come on.
Speaker 8 (01:01:27):
And every year I won't get on the boat and
I stand in the breakwater and I watched the Clipper
ship explode in the harbor.
Speaker 3 (01:01:36):
Yeah, yeah, it's too bad.
Speaker 5 (01:01:38):
It really is.
Speaker 3 (01:01:39):
It's really too bad this year.
Speaker 5 (01:01:41):
It didn't even take Kawhi's like leg falling off. It's
just happening.
Speaker 3 (01:01:44):
He's been great, Kawhi, it has been great.
Speaker 2 (01:01:46):
It's just you know, they just can't win. James Harden
has vanished the last couple of games. But Petros, we
always appreciate my ex at the old Pe. He is
the great Petros Papadakis, the co host of the Petros
and Money, which you can hear on at the Blowtorch,
a M five seventy l a Sports Fox college football
analyst and a man who brought the knowledge about Louis
(01:02:08):
Vauton here on the show.
Speaker 8 (01:02:10):
Yeah, appreciate it, Pe. I have stacks of Drachmas in
my Louis Vauton. Hell yeah, I have a Louis Vuitton wallet.
Speaker 5 (01:02:22):
It's not filled with very much money.
Speaker 2 (01:02:25):
Well, listen, maybe we'll u that's a that's a holiday idea.
Maybe for Christmas we'll we'll line you up with something. Yeah,
for all these appearances, thanks Petros, so they the great
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