May 8, 2025 • 54 mins
Thursday on 2 Pros and a Cup of Joe, the Celtics gag it away again in Boston. LaVar doesn’t see how Shedeur makes the Browns roster to start the season. And Senior NFL Reporter for TheMMQB.com, Albert Breer talks about Shedeur Sanders and all things NFL.
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
This is the best of two pros and a coupled
Joe with Lamar airings and rating win and Jonas Knots
on radio.
Speaker 2 (00:13):
So it was quite the night in the National Basketball
Association last night in the playoffs. We could spend some
time discussing the annihilation of the Denver Nuggets by Oklahoma City,
but doesn't really feel like there's a whole lot to
discuss there other than a historic first half from a
scoring standpoint and Denver just getting wiped out that game
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being over, Or we could talk about part due of
the Boston gag job that took place last night. What
an embarrassment, an absolute embarrassment the Boston.
Speaker 3 (00:48):
Which was a more demoralizing, you know, a more Denver moralizing,
you think, so, I feel like.
Speaker 4 (00:56):
That game for Denver made it feel like they have
no shot.
Speaker 5 (01:00):
They beat like that. That was the type of curse.
Speaker 4 (01:03):
That was the type of ass whooping that makes you
feel like, I don't know, I don't know, man, if
we're gonna be able to do anything here.
Speaker 6 (01:11):
I thought Boston's was worse, at least Denver.
Speaker 3 (01:14):
I thought Boston's was worse. But for what is worth,
I'm with Q that that that you're you're not supposed
to get taken behind the wood shed like that, Like
they ain't leave nothing left nothing.
Speaker 2 (01:29):
I mean if some if you do get taken behind
the woodshed, does anything good ever happen?
Speaker 5 (01:34):
No, not for the person that gets taken behind.
Speaker 6 (01:37):
Yeah, that's a great point.
Speaker 4 (01:42):
What do you mean by that?
Speaker 3 (01:44):
Can you imagine the facial expressions that that would be,
Like did they peek around the corner of the woodshed
before they came out?
Speaker 5 (01:51):
Like hope, no one's there.
Speaker 2 (01:59):
I just man like I was actually watching and congratulations,
the Knicks deserve to win that game. The Celtics have
no business with their style of play and what they've
done the past couple of games. But I was watching
that last night, going maybe this will be what wakes
teams up, because we've seen Minnesota go cold from three
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and just not have any any other answers. I think
it was Houston was the last time we talked about it.
Boston's now done it two games in a row.
Speaker 5 (02:28):
That's all they do, That's all anybody does.
Speaker 2 (02:31):
I wonder if this is gonna be the correction to
the marketplace, so to speak of Hey, believe it or not,
you're gonna have to do something other than just stand back,
chuck and duck and then hope the ball goes in
and if it doesn't, well whatever, we'll get him next time.
Speaker 6 (02:45):
I mean, it's ridiculous.
Speaker 3 (02:46):
Everybody though, Like you got Chet home Grin, you got
guys like Towns, you got you got seven footers that
refused go into the paint.
Speaker 5 (03:02):
I don't even know if they know how to go
into paint.
Speaker 3 (03:04):
It's I don't know, man, It's it's a tad bit.
Disturbing might be too strong of a word. It really
might be, but it's just crazy to think that literally,
and listen, I never thought football would become a past
first league, never thought it would happen.
Speaker 5 (03:24):
If you would ask me twenty.
Speaker 3 (03:27):
Years thirty years ago, if you would have said to me,
running back would not be one of the more popular
positions to play and it would be a past first league,
I would have I would have told you you're crazy, Like,
no way, it's always football is meant to be running first.
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I would have I would have argued you down. And
that's kind of like looking at where the NBA is
right now. And as you know, it's stated so often
the whole steph Curry effect and the idea of just
the mathematics of it, like, oh, you could get down
shooting those threes and all it takes is for you
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to warm up.
Speaker 5 (04:13):
And then you can chew into a.
Speaker 3 (04:15):
League elite so much easier by getting three pointers versus,
you know, going the traditional way. I mean, I don't know, man,
It's weird because you don't see people dunk very often anymore.
I think that's why people get so excited about Anthony
Anthony Edwards. It's like you don't even really see people
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try to take it to your face in basketball right now.
It's just not even really a part of the game
right now. That's crazy.
Speaker 2 (04:46):
I think stan Van Gundy made the point. It was
late in the Minnesota game the other night, and he said,
Anthony Edwards has got nineteen points. None of them are
on jump shots, Like he's just going to the basket.
And it feels like Jason Tatum can get to the
basket when he wants, Jalen Brown can get to the
basket when they want. They can, like, there's there's a
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reason why those guys are making seven hundred million dollars
because they were all NBA players, And you have to
have the ability to do more than just stand back
and shoot threes, and they just don't. And it comes,
by the way, it comes off as lazy like it
it feels like a lazy throw it up and well
if it doesn't go in, whatever, and it's just not entertaining.
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And so it's actually kind of nice to see the
Knicks win games and close them out on defense. By
the way, the Knicks weren't even good last night. It's
not like they were scoring at a at a high clip.
Brunson didn't have that great of a game, but still,
like this is what basketball used to be though.
Speaker 4 (05:43):
Yeah, Like that's the problem is we got so accustomed
to teams scoring in the one hundreds of the one
twenties that we see again that's below one hundred. Go oh,
they just had a bad shooting night. No, this is
like actually a good defense. I know, again the guys,
it's the NBA playoffs. We don't see that in the
MDA regular season. This is what good defense looks like.
I think that has played a role a little bit
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too in some of the poor shooting performances.
Speaker 2 (06:08):
Yeah, I just they absolutely deserve to win. They deserve
to mckel Bridges winning. And by the way, that talking
about throwback NBA player, He's never missed a game in
his career.
Speaker 6 (06:19):
He's played.
Speaker 2 (06:20):
Uh, now, there was some fugazi activity. Well, last game
of the season, he played six seconds just to keep
his consecutive game street going. But yeah, listen, I think
he's played. It's five hundred and fifty six straight games.
He's never missed a game. He's out there closing out
games on defense. He was the one scoring early on
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in that quarter. But Jalen Brown, the Celtics other star,
who's really struggled himself the first couple of games. He
spoke following the game.
Speaker 4 (06:51):
I hate to say it, but like this is you
guys are supposed to find ways to score.
Speaker 1 (06:56):
These are the moments that they're the ones that look
like they're playing with the boys, and you guys aren't.
Speaker 4 (07:01):
Can you explain why that's happened?
Speaker 5 (07:03):
Now, two games in a row at.
Speaker 7 (07:04):
Home, I'm not sure we've done. Uh, we've gotten to
great starts. We guarded, we played physical energy today to
start the fourth quarter. I thought we got like four
or five great looks in a row that didn't go
in and maybe that affected us. But uh, you know,
what's done is done. Now we got the opportunity to
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see what we made of and uh, you know, come
out and try to make something happen. Game three.
Speaker 6 (07:33):
So there's a very energetic Jalen Brown.
Speaker 3 (07:36):
I mean they control the entire game except the last part,
like except the fourth quarter. They control. The game is
as sloppy as the play looked as many shots that
were being missed. Jalen went to the rack. Guys were
getting getting to to the hole. They they were playing
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some some really good bad mean, they had a good
first half, a strong first half. Its just it's a
mind blower. It's a head scratcher to even think that
the New York Knicks were able to claw back into
the game in the fashion that they did, let alone
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actually think that there was a real chance that they
could win the game. Like it was like when they
took the lead at the point that they did and
the game was like, you know.
Speaker 5 (08:32):
The clock was basically at the end.
Speaker 3 (08:35):
It just it just gave you this weird feeling and
you could see it, like watching it on the television,
you could see it in the body language of the Celtics.
You could see it and you could feel it that
it was like like like it's just an utter disbelief
that this would happen. And I don't know how demoralizing
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that victory, you know how such it was. I know
I said that the Indiana game, and then that makes
me wonder which one of those is more demoralizing because
Q thinks that Cleveland's gonna come back and win this series.
Speaker 4 (09:12):
That's why baby Calves, Baby Calves coming back.
Speaker 5 (09:14):
Now, classic Ohio fan.
Speaker 4 (09:18):
Let's go GOHI we got this. Never a bad time,
you have a great turnar on, you know.
Speaker 3 (09:24):
But I don't know, I don't know that that wasn't
a more deraliza if I'm comparing those two, I don't
know if that isn't a more demoralizing loss for the
for the Celtics, then that even that Calves game was
probably be honest by the way, you know, that could
have signified the end of the series for that that series.
Speaker 6 (09:44):
The Celtics are still favored to win the series. Undraftkings.
Speaker 5 (09:48):
I could see why. I could see. I mean, Cleveland
has starters out right, like.
Speaker 2 (09:54):
They're for all you HRDs out there getting setting up
the parade, just so you know.
Speaker 4 (10:00):
The betting market says Boston's gonna.
Speaker 2 (10:02):
Win that series, even though you're going back home up
to oh.
Speaker 3 (10:06):
It's more likely that Boston can can climb out of
a two to oh two oh deficit. I see that,
but I still think that the way they lost, that's
just a very very demoralizing situation. Then they go on
the road, you gotta win. You got to try to
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do the same exact thing to them that they've done
to you on your own home court and try to
even up the series if they get one. If they
get one up at home against the Celtics, I think
it's a rap. That's I think that's going to be
too tough to come back from three to one down
to to be able to win a series. I just
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don't I don't see how that would, you know, I
don't see how that would happen. So they got I mean,
they're in must win situation there. They're in must win
mode right now today. So and so is the the
Cleveland Cavaliers. They're in must win mode today. Those two teams,
they are in some serious danger right now.
Speaker 2 (11:09):
So I mean, listen, I know, you know this is
you know, we're going down the road of well, you know,
it's it's, you know, a private matter and all that stuff,
but somebody's got to explain to me what the hell's
going on with Christops Porzengis. At some point during the
course of the season, late in the year, he missed
eight games because of an illness. Now he's dealing with
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some other sort of an illness. Maybe it's tied to
the same thing he had. They want to make sure
everybody let it be known non COVID. All right, so
it's an illness, but we want you to know it's
non COVID. Okay, good, glad, we're clear on that.
Speaker 4 (11:43):
Oh glad, we got that down.
Speaker 2 (11:45):
And so instead, because you can't depend on him, because
he's got this illness that nobody can seem to explain.
Speaker 6 (11:52):
He can't even explain it.
Speaker 2 (11:53):
He talked about it after the game and was just like, yeah, it's,
you know, not an injury. I'm just dealing with something.
I'm not feeling my best. And Al Horford is out
there trying to fill in the minutes and he's just
not the same player he was. He doesn't finish at
the rim the way he used to. He can't shoot
the three like he used to. He's trying his best.
But he's been in the league since like nineteen twenty eight,
and so you're watching the team going, well, this isn't
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exactly who they expected they were going to have at
that spot, because when Porzingis is in there, there's a
big difference, Like he's a huge difference maker. And yet
we can't like there's no explanation for what the hell's
going on? Just whatever, he's got an illness. Okay, all
we know is that it's non COVID.
Speaker 3 (12:33):
Charles Barkley was at like, how I talk about Jimmy Butler.
That's how Charles Barkley was on Porzingis, like, oh, no, Porzingis,
They're not going to win. Nope, nope, gotta have Porzingis, Perzingis,
Prizingis Persingis, And I guess it turned out to be correct.
I don't know, is he the difference?
Speaker 4 (12:54):
Have you not tried the Porzingis? That's fantastic.
Speaker 3 (12:56):
I mean I heard at Britzen britnzeno Benzen. You know
I heard that's pretty good too. You know, it's so different.
Speaker 2 (13:03):
When we have it. It's good, that's interesting. That's a good,
good game show. We could do on the show. Latvia
An NBA player or appetizer. Let's see if we can
put that together, and uh, I'm gonna make some radio goals.
Speaker 4 (13:18):
I had a player one time who was out for
a period of time and it was undisclosed for a while.
They eventually, they eventually, uh kind of came out with
what the injury was. But you never know, you never
know about those injuries. So any it was not football.
Speaker 2 (13:35):
Related, though, should we recklessly speculate as to what.
Speaker 4 (13:39):
The I don't know about this one. I actually don't
even know if we can say this over the air.
Speaker 2 (13:44):
So I mean, well, can we go in like you're
not suing me? Can we get like in the vicinity
vaginis It wasn't that, No, it was wasn't that.
Speaker 4 (14:01):
It was not that in.
Speaker 6 (14:04):
The vicinity of that was.
Speaker 4 (14:05):
A sticks pick in that region sticks picks. Yeah, yeah,
well that one wouldn't have been right, but it was
in that region, So okay.
Speaker 2 (14:16):
Yeah, what a way to go out though, Beat shaking hands,
beat beats opening a door that somebody just tried to
open that had a cold. You know, the there's there's
certain ways you can get sick and other ways you can't.
Speaker 6 (14:30):
So not bad, all right?
Speaker 2 (14:33):
So h so there it is that your look back
on a wild Wednesday night in the NBA Playoffs.
Speaker 5 (14:39):
I mean it's entertaining. I mean that that that that
Denver game was not entertaining. I'm sorry, you know what
that was.
Speaker 6 (14:45):
Ernie Johnson after the game was like, is there anything
else to say about this game? Like, mister professional? Yeah,
what's the point.
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Speaker 2 (15:08):
We continue on with the the coverage of what the
hell happened with the Shadoor Sanders old number twelve for
the Cleveland Browns, even though members of his camp were
not pleased with the number that was assigned to him.
But Tom Brady was on The Impulsive Podcast with Jake
Paul excuse me, Logan Paul, my apologies, and he had
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this to say when asked about the Shadoor Sanders slide.
Speaker 4 (15:35):
Elephant in the room, Sdar Sanders, what happened?
Speaker 1 (15:38):
Tom?
Speaker 4 (15:39):
Why did he go so late in the draft. It's
a good question.
Speaker 8 (15:42):
I was I wouldn't have part of any evaluation process
or to get otherwise. No, No, well everyone's got every
you know, that's a problem with media is everyone can
just say whatever they want. I actually texted Shador because
I've known him very well, and I said, dude, like,
whatever happens wherever you go, that's first day day two
matters more than the draft.
Speaker 5 (16:02):
I was one ninety nine. Yeah, so who could speak
on it better than me? Like what that really means?
Use it as motivation.
Speaker 6 (16:09):
You're gonna get your chances, go take advantage of it.
Speaker 2 (16:12):
So he had no input whatsoever in this whole discussion,
like because that is the part that's and I remember
when we kind of kicked this idea around because LeVar
throughout in leading up to the draft, like, there could
be a slide if he doesn't go to this team
or that team, there could be a slide. And my
thought was, well, if Tom Brady has this relationship with
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him and they don't take him, then is that saying something.
And they didn't take him a bunch of times and
still took Hey, they still took a quarterback in the draft,
so it's not like they were reversed to taking a
player at that position. It just feels like, why wouldn't
they have been the one to jump at him if.
Speaker 4 (16:53):
That was the case. I think there's a lot of
reasons why they didn't.
Speaker 9 (17:00):
Like.
Speaker 4 (17:00):
Pete Carroll's the new head coach there. He's trying to
set his culture, his environment, everything that he wants. So
I am sure on the way in he said to
Tom Brady, Mark Davis, whoever was a part of those
conversations with their prospective head coaches, I'm not taking this
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job if I can't have final say on the roster.
And that means the draft, that means free agency, that
means resigning guys, all of it. So John Spytek may
be close with Tom Brady and he might be in
that position, but I would assume it's ultimately Pete Carroll's call.
So if you look at the moves they've made since
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Pete Carroll's taken over as head coach, they bring in
Geno Smith, that's his hand picked quarterback. They bring it
comes from Seattle, he was just with him. He's going
to start building the type of environment and culture that
Pete Carroll thinks that Las Vegas needs, and so everything's
going to then feed from there. And again not saying
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that Shador Sanders will come in and be divisive or
be the type of guy that's not going to try
to play along with the culture of the team. But
if there's any questions, if there's any doubt that he
would be the type of player that would do that,
he's off the list. He's not a part of the conversation.
I think that's one of the more underlying things about
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his drop that not many people have touched on, is
the culture and the environment of a team and what
a coach wants and what the leaders on that team want.
You know, they want guys to fall in line behind them,
especially rookies, where you've got to earn your stripes. You've
got to earn everything with those veteran guys, those veteran players,
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because the second you know, a head coach or someone
in that position brings in a rookie that's going to
take away from all that. Unless he's got extreme talent, right,
extraordinary talent. Some way, those veterans are gonna get lost too,
because they're gonna be looking at the head coach, They're
gonna be look at the general manager going what did
you guys do? Why do you guys bring in this guy.
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So to me, it all starts with looking at Pete
Carroll as the head coach, having complete control of it,
him saying, this is not the type of guy we
want to bring in to our locker and our environment.
Now that may change in the future. I'm sure they
did all their due diligence, but at this juncture, that's
probably where he's at. And the other thing on top
of all this is, yes, it's Tom Brady. He's a
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limited partner. This is Mark Davis's team, and it doesn't
matter what Skip says, I don't care any wait in that,
if Tom Brady says he wasn't involved, he wasn't involved.
And by the way, if Tom Brady was involved, especially
to the degree that I think one day he will
be when he's probably a majority owner of that team,
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I think he's gonna be in every single meeting. I
think he's gonna look at every single thing that's taped,
everything else, a single thing that's reviewed, because he understands
the importance of the quarterback position, and he understands the
importance of not missing on guys. Because he probably looks
at his career and says, well, all these teams missed
on me, and so I don't want to be a
team that waits for a guy that I feel like
could be the greatest of all time. And so, knowing
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his work ethic, knowing how he is, I'm sure he's
going to be intricately involved in every one of those meetings,
especially with quarterbacks and playing a very active role. And
so if he wasn't involved, and he maybe even even
said to him, look, I've got a personal relationship with him,
I need to recuse myself of any involvement in this,
not only with you know, Shador, but maybe with the
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position altogether because of how sensitive it was to him,
especially when you have a personal relationship that happens all
the time in business. Hey someone have a personal Yeah, okay,
you need to leave the room, Like you can't vote,
You can't be a part of this because we can't
allow anyone to make an emotional decision. This is a
business decision. That's kind of how I see it.
Speaker 5 (21:01):
Can I address the elephant in the room, please? Odds?
Speaker 3 (21:07):
The odds, Yeah, yeah, it's black smoke. The odds are
not in favor for Shador Sanders right now. Just let
us sink in.
Speaker 5 (21:24):
The odds are not.
Speaker 3 (21:26):
In favor of Shador Sanders having a productive career in
the National Football League. There have been exceptions, and Tom
Brady is clearly easily the best example. Some could throw
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out Kurt Warner, he was stocking grocery store. You know
what is it called what are those things called high V?
Speaker 6 (21:57):
I think it was a high V grocery store and.
Speaker 5 (21:59):
It was bagging groceries. I thought he was stocking the shelves.
There you go.
Speaker 9 (22:03):
Toe.
Speaker 6 (22:03):
I'm more of a pickley wiggly guy myself. But again,
teach her on.
Speaker 5 (22:07):
Here's the point, man, It's just the odds are not
on his side.
Speaker 3 (22:14):
And how how this shakes out and how it plays
out could end up being a very very triumphant, you know, motivating,
inspiring story. But make no mistake about it, he's not
He's not poor. So he's not going to be in
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no grocery store. I can guarantee you that he's not
going to be bagging groceries. You're not going to have
a poor man's story that made it. This is not
pursued a happiness. It's just not whatever it is that
that happens. Schador is pursuing a dream. They want to
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be professional ballplayers. And I think that's very clear, that's
abundantly clear. But is Shador Sanders going to be fine
if it doesn't work out in football? I would assume
that there is nothing in this world that Dion Sanders
wouldn't do to make sure that any one of his
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children are fine moving forward in life. So football is
it would be a great thing if it happens for him,
but it's not the end, all tell all. This is
not a kid from the inner city that came from
the muck of the mud and needed this. That's not
the scenario here. And I'm just being honest. If we
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took Shador Sanders name, and I'll pose this question to you, guys,
if we took Shador Sanders name off of the draft
pick and said that you have a team with Deshaun Watson,
with Joe Flacco, with Kenny Pickett and a draft pick
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that came before you in a ladder round and Dylan
Gabriel before you were selected in the fifth round, you
take the name off of it, do you think he's
even on the roster by the time you get through
through many camp, through training camp. I'll tell you for me,
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I know I pose the question to you, guys, I say, no,
I don't think he makes it to the roster. If
I'm addressing the elephant in the room, I do not
believe Shador Sanders makes it onto the roster in Cleveland.
Speaker 5 (24:48):
I'll leave it to y'all.
Speaker 3 (24:49):
I mean, now, now the elephant is now, the elephant
has been addressed, all right, I mean that's I'll say that.
Speaker 6 (24:56):
Now it's been a dressed. So the undertaker is back
this morning?
Speaker 4 (25:00):
Is that a sticks pick?
Speaker 5 (25:02):
Go ahead, Sam, and I would say this.
Speaker 4 (25:07):
I mean, here's the thing, is I said this before. Well,
I think you're wrong in including Deshaun Watson as part
of it. Does not matter. He will not be on
the active roster. He will be on IR. So the
decision on how many quarterbacks you're going to keep on
the active roster when it comes, he doesn't factor into
it at all.
Speaker 5 (25:26):
So you really work with four quarterbacks.
Speaker 4 (25:28):
So it's between Flacco, Pickett, Dylan Gabriel, the third round pick,
and Shador Sanders. I think between like, I think Joe
Flack would be much more apt if he doesn't win
the starting job, to be able to sit and be
the backup until he gets his opportunity. So I think
regardless of what happens between Kenny pick and Joe Flacco,
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he stays it's Kenny Pickett that I think, because of
where his career is at, I could see if things
don't work out, where he doesn't start, maybe he says,
release me or trade me, let me go somewhere else
to a quarterback needy team and try to play somewhere else.
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I can see that scenario applying out.
Speaker 3 (26:16):
Its hell, why not, why not sit and wait for
for him to fall apart. Damn, I'm going to get
my opportunity.
Speaker 4 (26:23):
And here's the thing is, I'm not saying that that's
not potentially the scenario. Well, you'd have to think that
if they drafted two quarterbacks behind you after trading for you,
clearly they you know, they think enough of you to
trade for you. But if they're drafted two quarterbacks behind you,
not enough to say that you're gonna be definitively the
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guy at any point, like, you gotta earn it, try
to beat out Flacco, and then you gotta hold onto it,
which is tough to do. So I just think in
his situation, he might be saying, like, well, maybe there's
not that much separates from him and Dylan Gabriel, him
and shad Or Sanders, So he might want to try
to look to go elsewhere. And that's one scenario that
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could play out. There's also the scenario that Shador outplays
Dylan Gabriel. I mean, I'll be fully honest about it,
like I thought Shadoor based on what I watched on tape.
If you're talking about just a pure football player, is
a player that translates better to the NFL game than
Dylan Gabriel's game has. You know, there's gonna be some
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limitations with Dylan Gabriel given a size, given he's gonna
have to play in the shotgun given you know, he's
gonna have to, you know, do some different things if
he's ever gonna be under center. I mean, one of
the things that you kind of miss on Kevin Stefanski
is he comes from the coaching tree that they love
the outside zone running scheme. And so if you want
to really be effective with the outside zone running, you
got to play under center. You have to be able
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to give the running back those angles, you have to
be able to give play action boots. All that a
shot from shotgun they're just not as effective. When you
have a short quarterback, you can do those things, but
you really have to get him away from the line
of scrimmage. So it's a lot of deep drops, so
it's a lot of boots. And Dylan Gabriel can do
all those things, but we still need to see him
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do all of that. I think Chador is very capable
of doing that as well. But to me, he's not
as limited with a lot of what he'll be asked
to do just because of his size. And I know
there's not a huge difference. It's not like he's like
six foot six and Dylan Gabriel's five foot six, But
the difference between the two is.
Speaker 3 (28:27):
Is eleven is short significant he's and I know he
is a little dude, and I'm mad. I met him
at the Hall of Fame dinner in Vegas.
Speaker 5 (28:36):
He is a he's a little dude.
Speaker 4 (28:39):
Yeah, he is a little five eleven, right. He feels
probably out that he's a little dude.
Speaker 5 (28:44):
Brouh, Yeah, and so.
Speaker 4 (28:46):
That but that concerns you, right because you're sitting there saying, okay,
can he see I mean I was almost six foot four,
I think three six three and seven eights whatever at.
Speaker 3 (28:54):
The combat, and you still are going to have moments
you're blind throat. You gotta to make sure, Yeah, you
gotta try to see.
Speaker 4 (28:59):
I mean Ryan Tucker early on in my career, big dude,
big old dude out TC out of Texas. Like I mean,
when you drop back, you forget that dude's sitting at
six foot four, six foot five, six foot six, and
then the dude he's going up against is easily six
foot four, six foot five, six foot six. That's just
on their tackles. You have two massive bodies that you
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sometimes have to find the throwing lanes or you have
to be able to throw a ball with timing in
rhythm to a spot that you better hope and believe
that your receiver is going to be at because of
his routes based on timing and precision. So there's all
those things that make it difficult for a guy that
is shorter to be able to see it and especially
play from under center. So look as far as House
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plays out, well again it doesn't matter. I'm just saying,
as far as House all plays out, they'll get the battle,
they'll be able to have the opportunity to get reps
My biggest issue with all of us. I'll keep saying
this is for the Cleveland Browns, for their fan, everyone
as a whole, this whole quarterback you know, conundrum does
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not seem conducive to winning football games in the toughest
division in the NFL. Like having, I mean, four different
guys are gonna be splitting reps. You're trying to get
them all ready, and maybe you sit it's all black
on picket. That doesn't give me much confidence. When you
look at Cincinnati, is there any question about who the
quarterback is Joe Burrow? No, you look at Baltimore's any
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question the quarterback is Lamar Jackson and by the way,
two of the best maybe to ever do it when
it's all said and done. And then at Pittsburgh we're
probably gonna be looking at Aaron Rodgers. So it's like,
when it comes down to it, like that's what you're
going up against. I just I feel like it would
have been better off if they're definitive about one of
these guys being the guy, and then they look at
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two guys it didn't work out, Go somewhere else.
Speaker 3 (30:52):
You got two guys that can come in right now
and play for your team that have played in the
AFC North and one has a Super Bowl in the
AFC North. You got two guys? How many reps? And
keep in mind, is as little as five to eleven?
Is they took that man in the third round. They
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took him in the third round. There was a whole
entire round that went by before they took the door Sanders.
A whole entire round went by after Dylan Gabriel was
selected by the Cleveland Browns, A whole entire round.
Speaker 6 (31:34):
So can we just get it.
Speaker 3 (31:35):
I don't think there's gonna be enough balls and reps
for both of them young boys to make that roster.
Speaker 5 (31:45):
I don't see it.
Speaker 4 (31:47):
I don't see stick sticks.
Speaker 5 (31:49):
There you go.
Speaker 6 (31:51):
So you're calling it?
Speaker 4 (31:52):
Are you including the practice squattest part of it?
Speaker 5 (31:57):
I do not believe when it's all said, you're not
gonna answer my question.
Speaker 3 (32:04):
Are you When all of the dust and the smoke clears,
does practice squad cows.
Speaker 5 (32:14):
Chedor Sanders will not.
Speaker 9 (32:20):
Be on.
Speaker 5 (32:22):
The Cleveland Browns team?
Speaker 3 (32:25):
Damn he will not be in Cleveland come week one
of the new NFL football at the start of the
football season, does the practice squad counts?
Speaker 5 (32:43):
Did you hear what I just said. He won't even
be in Cleveland, not even on the Pea squad. Okay,
he won't listen what I'm telling you.
Speaker 3 (32:50):
He won't be at a hotel, he won't be in
in a house, he won't be in a motel, and
he won't see a man.
Speaker 5 (33:00):
And it won't be in Cleveland.
Speaker 4 (33:05):
Okay. Here's the one thing that is an interesting question
I'll ask both of you is sometimes when you get
so remember there's like the initial cut where everyone has
to cut down to fifty three men. However, what usually
happens is nothing matters until the Week one roster for
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that first game. That's when you ultimately see what the
roster will be for the rest of season, because there's
some guys that'll keep after that initial wave of cuts
to stash on their roster, and then they'll like released
right before week one to be able to then put
them on their practice squad or figure out a way
of still keeping them as a part of the organization
they really like. Well, you do that with players that
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you're worried about people snatching them off of your practice squad.
So that's why I asked the question about practice squad he's.
Speaker 5 (33:56):
Going to let a team, But I don't. I don't.
Speaker 3 (34:00):
It's not gonna He's not going to be in Cleveland.
He will land on a team. That's my You think
my prediction is he gets cut and he goes somewhere else.
And you want to know why that's my reasoning. It's
not because, oh, you're throwing shade at your door, Oh
you're hating on your door.
Speaker 2 (34:19):
No, I think there's a lot of racial undertones. To
be honest with you, from where I'm sitting.
Speaker 3 (34:24):
I would love to know the stat on a fifth
round pick that ends up being on a roster, even
the practice squad that had a third round draft pick
in front of him and two free agents that had
to battle it out for the starting job. Because those
two draft picks are not going to battle it out
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in the beginning, in the initial two to be the
starter of this team. I do not see that that
is not realistic in terms of the National Football League
and especially not in the AFC North.
Speaker 5 (34:59):
I do not see them.
Speaker 3 (35:01):
Getting enough reps, and generally speaking, a late round draft
pick to a free agent do not get enough reps,
not even and let's be clear, even if they.
Speaker 5 (35:15):
Do get reps, even if they do play in the preseason.
Speaker 3 (35:20):
You will see a guy that had a tremendous a
tremendous preseason that was an undrafted free agent. You will
see a guy that that was a late round draft
pick that has a tremendous preseason, and they still get
cut because it's a numbers game, and the numbers game
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does not fall into the category of of of advantageous
four a fifth round pick especially and this is key,
especially out of position where it's only one. This isn't
a receiver where there's what what does a receiver room
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have six of them?
Speaker 5 (36:04):
Something like that?
Speaker 4 (36:05):
Six seven with practice.
Speaker 5 (36:06):
Okay, this is not one of.
Speaker 6 (36:08):
Those multi you get a lot of guys in the room.
So it's like, oh, you know, you can give him time.
Speaker 5 (36:16):
It's not that position. There is only one.
Speaker 3 (36:21):
There's only one quarterback, and you can't you cannot hide
him as as a slash steward. You can't put him
at kick returner, you can't put him at receiver, you
can't use him as a dual threat guy where you
move him around.
Speaker 5 (36:40):
He's a quarterback.
Speaker 1 (36:44):
It's it is.
Speaker 3 (36:46):
It is not feasible to think that the position of
where he got drafted that he will be with the
Cleveland Browns, and I'm taking the name. I'm removing the name.
I'm not saying this based off of the name. I'm
saying it based off of what history says, what the
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way things are done.
Speaker 5 (37:08):
That's what I'm basing this off of. That's what it's
based off of.
Speaker 3 (37:12):
Notha Door Sanders being a fifth round draft pick after
there was a third round draft pick that came before you,
and two free agents brought in, and you need a
starter in the AFC North.
Speaker 5 (37:24):
That's what I'm.
Speaker 3 (37:24):
Basing it off of. Well, shade, I promise it's not shade.
It's just truth, and he needs to be prepared for that.
Speaker 1 (37:32):
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Speaker 9 (38:00):
How you doing, guys, what's going on?
Speaker 5 (38:02):
We do not sound at all.
Speaker 9 (38:05):
Come on, I was a little I was a little
flat of the games there. I apologize.
Speaker 2 (38:12):
Hey, Albert, Albert, just between me and you, don't worry.
Draftking still says that the Celtics are going to win
that series the betting odds. Yeah, they're the favorite to
win that series.
Speaker 9 (38:24):
Still, So I mean, I yeah, I uh, I don't
know how much faith I have when the game plan
is constantly to launch threes and screw up possessions at
the end of regulation, over time and a half, whatever,
whatever the situation.
Speaker 5 (38:39):
What NBA game.
Speaker 4 (38:40):
Isn't that though, Albert? Isn't that the NBA nowadays? Outside
of the negative parts, I really don't.
Speaker 9 (38:45):
I mean, I don't get it because it's like I
don't feel like any of its situational anymore. I don't
want to get a huge, like philosophical debate here, but like,
like I don't get like, when you're up twenty to
keep launching threes when you're not hitting them, you know
what I mean? Like it's like, shouldn't you just be
trying to, like, I don't know, close the game out?
Speaker 1 (39:06):
You know what?
Speaker 9 (39:07):
I mean, like, isn't the I mean, it's the if
the goals to score one hundred and forty points, then yeah, maybe,
like you keep watching three, the goal is to win
the game, shouldn't you adjust your strategy, especially if they're
not going down for you? It doesn't make any sense
to me. It just feels like everything is a mass
problem now and again we can we have a larger
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discussion about that. But you know, it's, uh, it's it's
frustrating to watch for sure.
Speaker 2 (39:32):
All right, so let's ask you about this what exactly
went wrong between George Pickens and Mike Tomlin and Pittsburgh
because it does feel like when they decide to move
away from wide receivers, it's a telling sign, it sure is.
Speaker 9 (39:47):
I mean, I think you look at the history of it,
and obviously Artavius Bryant and uh, you know, and and
Jugi Smith Schuster and Antonio Brown and clip Chase Claypool.
There's a ton of history. Mike Wallace guys that weren't
nearly as productive when they left Pittsburgh as they were
when they were Steelers. And you know, I think one
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of the things that Mike is really Mikes He's really
good at is being able to reach people, and it's
allowed the Steelers to cast a wide nett talent wise,
they can take chance on guys other teams can't because
Mike's so good in that area. So it's always to
me like a red flag when when the Steelers are
ready to walk away from a guy. There is some
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explanation here, though. I think a big part of it
is he's going into a contract here. They're probably not
going to give me a huge contract, and they're bringing
Dk Metcalf who's also an ex receiver, so there's a
little bit of a redundancy there. And you know, if
you look at two guys who do a lot of
the same things, you know, you're sort of projecting forward
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and you're looking at it and I think you're saying, okay, so,
like this is going to eat into George Pickens production,
into his role. How is he going to accept that?
And what's that going to look like in October and
November when he's playing for life changing money and we're
not giving it to him, you know, And I think
that's a huge part of it, and that's a nuance
the whole thing that I don't think very many people
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are paying attention to and that, by the way, could
be a problem Dallas too, you know, because you know
you've got an established number one receiver there in Ceedee Lamb,
who's a volume player, like who's you know, had over
one hundred catches several times, and who you're going to
get the ball to a lot as you should because
he's one of the best receivers in football. And so
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you know, like for Dallas, you know, it's going to
be easy for everybody to say the right things at OTAs,
at mini camp and training camp. But where the rubber
hits the road is like when you get October in November,
and you know Dak Prescott's going to Ceedee Lamb in
the big spots, and you know, maybe George Pickens has
a two or three week stretch where he has four yards,
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then he has thirty five yards, then he has six yards.
How are you going to handle that? You know, I
think that's all part of the equation here, and you know,
it's certainly something I think that that played into Pittsburgh's
willingness to move on and and also you know, I
think is part of what Dallas is going to be
faced with and trying to get the most out of
a very very talented player, Albert.
Speaker 4 (42:14):
Let's stay with the Pittsburgh Steelers here. What the hell's
happening at the quarterback position? I mean, they've got to
be all in on Rogers or Bust at this point.
Speaker 9 (42:21):
Yeah, Mason Rudolph is happening at quarterback right now. Yeah,
they're trying to, like my read on the whole thing, Brady,
if they feel confident about where they are. I don't
know one way or the other whether they have a
hard assurance from Aaron, but they I know, they feel
good about it, and you know obviously, and then the
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next question would be, well, why don't you just sign
him then? And I think part of it is, you know,
out of respect for the personal stuff that Aaron's referenced.
And I think for both sides it's like, okay, like
you could do a contract now, you know, but then
if he's out there for for OTAs, for different phases
of the off season program, then that's going to be
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hanging over both sides, like when does he show up?
Speaker 3 (43:09):
You know?
Speaker 9 (43:09):
So I and I don't think like retirements totally out
of the equation. I you know, if if things go
away in Minnesota. Could they revisit I mean, I think
like that's the thing is, like there's so much some
of whose ends like just sitting out there now. But
I think that the Steelers for right now are trying
to respect the situation that that that Aaron Rodgers is in.
And you know, I certainly think that Aaron Rodgers is
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a little leery to feel tied down to anything until
all the stuff in his personal life as resolved.
Speaker 3 (43:40):
Abe, I want to switch to another AFC North team
and another quarterback situation and kind of oppose this question
to the fellas earlier, and I'd be curious to get
your take on it. In a draft and on a team,
if you have two guys, so we we we've all
agreed to limit one quarterback, all right. You eliminate Deshaun
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Watson from the conversation. He's not going to be a
part of it. You bring in two free agents and
Pickett and Flacco, and then you draft one in the third,
and then you draft one in the fifth, taking all
names out of the draft and just saying you drafted
one in the third, you drafted one in the fifth,
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and you brought in two free agents in the same offseason.
What do you think the likelihood and just every year
operation of business, would it be plausible to think that
that fifth round quarterback will be on that roster or
even on the practice squad come come season? And do
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you think that there will be a difference, because I
feel like I know what you're going to say, is
this different because of the name when you attach the
name to the fifth rounder?
Speaker 9 (44:57):
I mean, I think we've already seen it different, right,
It is different because of the name. That's that goes
without saying there's like strings attacked that wouldn't be attached
with a if you know she do his last name
was Smith. That's just what it is, you know, And
so like I think, you know, just the challenges ahead
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are real, you know, for Kevin Stefanski and his coaching staff.
And I think the first one is coming right away,
which is how do you divvy up the reps? How
do you create the right opportunity for everybody? Because I
think with four quarterbacks on the roster, the rules the
way they are now about what you can do in
the spring, what you can do in the summer, you know,
I think you know, for a lot of teams, like
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the spring is about teaching and the summers about competition. Well,
I think for the Browns they have to get a
read on how their quarterbacks stack up and at least
have a working pecking order going into the summer, just
to be fair to the rest of the team, you know,
because you can't have the entire training can't be about
like okay, like this is going to be a four
man quarterback race, Like you can't let that consume training camp.
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So I think you have to have an idea of
where you're at, like at the the end of the
off season program in the middle of June, and then
split the work up when you get to the summer
based on that. And the easy thing to do would
be to say, well, all right, like let's take Joe
out of the equation for right now, Joe, You've already
played for Kevin. But you think Joe Flacco is gonna
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sign up for that, you know, I mean, based on
his own desire to win the job, and you know
the fact that he's going to be working with a
new offensive coordinator that he doesn't know there and Tommy Reese,
does he really want to sit there and let the
other guys get the leg up on him when he
knows that it wouldn't cost a team any more to
walk away from him and release him at the end
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of camp than awake Kenny Pickett. So you know, if
you're Joe, you're probably gonna want to get the reps too. So,
like I think, it's it's a tricky situation for everyone involved,
and you know they're gonna have to be creative and
and finding a way to get a real read on
where the rookies are and you know, the even like
I mean, on another level, when you get to the
to the end of camp and you know you're you're
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getting closer to the cutdown, you know, I think you
have to assess, okay, like if schaduor or Dylan Gabriel
aren't your starter or either of them ready to be
your primary backups, And if they are, then do you
walk away from the veteran who doesn't win the starting job?
And if they aren't, does that mean you're keeping four
quarterbacks or you're cutting.
Speaker 5 (47:25):
One of the rookies?
Speaker 9 (47:26):
Can you sneak one of the rookies to the practice squad?
It's because normally, like a third round pick, I mean
generally a third round pick makes the team. You know,
a third round pick generally isn't going to be cut.
A fifth round pick could be cut. Are you cutting
Shador then? Correct, It's just complicated in so many different ways,
you know.
Speaker 3 (47:42):
That's what I'm saying. So if you take the name
out of it, chances are you're cutting the fifth rounder. Like,
that's a strong chance that the fifth rounder is.
Speaker 9 (47:50):
Getting cut if you take the names out of it.
LeVar I would say, if you just look at this
situation logistically, I think you would say your door has
to beat out one of the veterans first spot.
Speaker 3 (48:02):
On the roster, right, And much like what anybody else
would face, you're and what you're saying, you're not going
to get enough reps to be able to do that that.
Speaker 5 (48:12):
It just doesn't seem.
Speaker 3 (48:13):
Feasible that a fifth rounder is going to get with
four quarterbacks. It doesn't seem like they're going to get
enough reps to do that, which is why, like.
Speaker 9 (48:24):
It's not weird that they took sha door in the
fifth round. It's weird that they took to on Gabriel
in the third round and then took the door in
the fifth round. You know, that's correct, It's not strange
that you would take a flyer on to do or
it's that you would take a flyer on after you
already spent a.
Speaker 5 (48:39):
Page, already took a quarterback. That's that's what I'm thinking too.
Speaker 4 (48:43):
By the way, historical data tells us that approximately fifty
to six percent of fifth round picks will make the
NFL roster in their first year. So interesting stat.
Speaker 3 (48:51):
What's that position again? I still think that's based off
the position. I think that we don't need to argue
about this.
Speaker 4 (48:58):
We're on the same page were we know we LeVar
made a very clear indication he doesn't think Chador is
going to be on the team come week one of
next year in any capacity, practice, squad or ross.
Speaker 5 (49:09):
I don't think so he's put that out there.
Speaker 4 (49:12):
So I want to touch on what you just said
though there, Albert, because you said it's odd though that
they draft him the fifth round after they took one
in the third, and given the veterans that are both
there who made the decision. Then, because help me understand,
help Browns fans understand if you're going to take one
of the third after you already added two, one via trade,
one veteran you signed, that's already been there, and you've
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kind of got the Deshaun Watson thing lingering, even though
he's not going to be back for this year. Like
who made the decision then to then draft Shador and
add that to the mix.
Speaker 9 (49:44):
I don't know exactly who pulled the trigger on it.
I know the looks on the faces of the guys
who were in that draft room were when the when
the pick was made. I mean, I look like I
think sometimes these things can work different ways, you know
what I mean? Like I I think it's notable too.
And this is a point that I don't I don't
hear a lot of people making it was their last pick,
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and I think that that's relevant too, don't you guys
Like they didn't have another pick after that fifth rounder.
So look, it does make you wonder it's like, all right,
well we have to take him at some point, you
know what I mean? Like, so like, I you know
it could be I mean, you know, obviously Jimmy's story
is what it is, but like then there's also like
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the piece of it, like where it's like if you
know that's what your owner wants, like and your owner
has been pushing it, but he's not specifically saying you
have to take them. I mean, do you kind of
feel cornered and it's like okay, like, well let's just
do it here. You know, it could be something like
that too. So I don't know exactly. I don't know
the ins and outs of whether or not, like this
code red was ordered, but you know, I can't say
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it didn't happen either, Albert Breer.
Speaker 6 (50:54):
So I'm curious based on everything.
Speaker 2 (50:56):
That we know this offseason, because I feel like there's
been too much negativity here on shod Or Sanders and
all the other standard lines. If you had to right
now say now that free agency has done for the
most part, there's still some names out there. But now
that it's done for the most part, now that the
draft is done, coaches have been hired. Which team do
you think has had the best off season?
Speaker 9 (51:21):
I would, you know, I think New England's had a
really good off season with you know, what they've been
able to do around around Mike Rabel and you know,
going and getting a bunch of guys Like I think
it's a lot like the Commander's offseason last year where
they they brought in a lot of guys that had
connections to the coaching staff. Morgan Moses was with Todd
Downing in New York. You know, Robert Splaine was with
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Josh McDaniels in Vegas. Obviously, got a couple of Rabel
guys there. They come over from Tennessee, guys like you know,
Harold Andry so like. There are definitely I think a
lot of moves the Pacers made on top of the
bigger moves like Steph Diggs and and uh and and
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Milton Williams, where you look at it and you say, okay,
like there there's some certainty there. They know what they're
getting because they've been with those guys before. The other
the other team I really like was was Chicago, and
I just I think fortifying the offensive line in front
of a front of Caleb Williams and really like fortifying
both fronts, you know, and doing what they did and
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you know, going and getting you know Dio Oda yingbo
from from from Indianapolis and Grady j from Atlanta for
their defensive line and then the offensive line, uh, you know,
being able to land three new starters and and Jonah Jackson,
Joe Tooney and Drew Dollman. Yeah, I just think like
that's a good way to assure that you're going to
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be in every game. Like if if you're strong on
the line of scrimmage, chances are you're going to be
able to have some control over the games you're playing
in and you're the very least going to give you
a chance to be in every game, and you're gonna
get a clean rate at who your rookie.
Speaker 5 (53:01):
Quarterback is going to be?
Speaker 9 (53:03):
Who your who, your who your quarterback? You're now second
your quarterback can grow into the being and uh and
yeah at Colston level in there too. So I like
Chicago and New England. Obviously both those teams had a
long way to go coming from where they were last year,
but I think both teams had really solid off seasons.
Speaker 6 (53:21):
There is get him on x at Albert Breer.
Speaker 2 (53:24):
He is the senior NFL reporter lead content strategist at
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the way, keep keep your head up again, Abe, the
Celtics are a favored to win that series.
Speaker 6 (53:37):
I just want a friendly reminder because I know you
were you were wearing it a little bit on social media.
Speaker 9 (53:41):
How do you feel about it?
Speaker 6 (53:43):
I mean, I think they're I think they're going to win,
but LaVar's killing off everyone. Yeah, LeVar is the undertaker
this week.
Speaker 5 (53:52):
Yeah, I don't know.
Speaker 3 (53:53):
Demoralizing Victna loss is demoralizing out of there, the really
bad loss.
Speaker 9 (54:00):
Having Saturday night, they got two days to think about
it now, so we'll see it happen they.
Speaker 6 (54:04):
Do, all right, all right, do it again next week.
There are Albert Deer this year on Foxport training He's
got Ohio state. Yeah, he's fine.
Speaker 5 (54:16):
There's always Ohio state. You know, he's got he's got
Ohio state.
Speaker 2 (54:20):
Which, funny, I think they were in some poll they
were voted most toxic fan base recently fans.
Speaker 6 (54:27):
Yeah, there was some pole that was.
Speaker 4 (54:28):
Out there, well, that was coming off of the UH.
The admission from a was a Tennessee fan who apparently
stay fan told their five year old kid something about
Santa Claus. I believe that didn't go over.
Speaker 6 (54:42):
Well, yeah, that's not very nice
This is the best of two pros and a coupled
Joe with Lamar airings and rating win and Jonas Knots
on radio.
Speaker 2 (00:13):
So it was quite the night in the National Basketball
Association last night in the playoffs. We could spend some
time discussing the annihilation of the Denver Nuggets by Oklahoma City,
but doesn't really feel like there's a whole lot to
discuss there other than a historic first half from a
scoring standpoint and Denver just getting wiped out that game
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being over, Or we could talk about part due of
the Boston gag job that took place last night. What
an embarrassment, an absolute embarrassment the Boston.
Speaker 3 (00:48):
Which was a more demoralizing, you know, a more Denver moralizing,
you think, so, I feel like.
Speaker 4 (00:56):
That game for Denver made it feel like they have
no shot.
Speaker 5 (01:00):
They beat like that. That was the type of curse.
Speaker 4 (01:03):
That was the type of ass whooping that makes you
feel like, I don't know, I don't know, man, if
we're gonna be able to do anything here.
Speaker 6 (01:11):
I thought Boston's was worse, at least Denver.
Speaker 3 (01:14):
I thought Boston's was worse. But for what is worth,
I'm with Q that that that you're you're not supposed
to get taken behind the wood shed like that, Like
they ain't leave nothing left nothing.
Speaker 2 (01:29):
I mean if some if you do get taken behind
the woodshed, does anything good ever happen?
Speaker 5 (01:34):
No, not for the person that gets taken behind.
Speaker 6 (01:37):
Yeah, that's a great point.
Speaker 4 (01:42):
What do you mean by that?
Speaker 3 (01:44):
Can you imagine the facial expressions that that would be,
Like did they peek around the corner of the woodshed
before they came out?
Speaker 5 (01:51):
Like hope, no one's there.
Speaker 2 (01:59):
I just man like I was actually watching and congratulations,
the Knicks deserve to win that game. The Celtics have
no business with their style of play and what they've
done the past couple of games. But I was watching
that last night, going maybe this will be what wakes
teams up, because we've seen Minnesota go cold from three
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and just not have any any other answers. I think
it was Houston was the last time we talked about it.
Boston's now done it two games in a row.
Speaker 5 (02:28):
That's all they do, That's all anybody does.
Speaker 2 (02:31):
I wonder if this is gonna be the correction to
the marketplace, so to speak of Hey, believe it or not,
you're gonna have to do something other than just stand back,
chuck and duck and then hope the ball goes in
and if it doesn't, well whatever, we'll get him next time.
Speaker 6 (02:45):
I mean, it's ridiculous.
Speaker 3 (02:46):
Everybody though, Like you got Chet home Grin, you got
guys like Towns, you got you got seven footers that
refused go into the paint.
Speaker 5 (03:02):
I don't even know if they know how to go
into paint.
Speaker 3 (03:04):
It's I don't know, man, It's it's a tad bit.
Disturbing might be too strong of a word. It really
might be, but it's just crazy to think that literally,
and listen, I never thought football would become a past
first league, never thought it would happen.
Speaker 5 (03:24):
If you would ask me twenty.
Speaker 3 (03:27):
Years thirty years ago, if you would have said to me,
running back would not be one of the more popular
positions to play and it would be a past first league,
I would have I would have told you you're crazy, Like,
no way, it's always football is meant to be running first.
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I would have I would have argued you down. And
that's kind of like looking at where the NBA is
right now. And as you know, it's stated so often
the whole steph Curry effect and the idea of just
the mathematics of it, like, oh, you could get down
shooting those threes and all it takes is for you
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to warm up.
Speaker 5 (04:13):
And then you can chew into a.
Speaker 3 (04:15):
League elite so much easier by getting three pointers versus,
you know, going the traditional way. I mean, I don't know, man,
It's weird because you don't see people dunk very often anymore.
I think that's why people get so excited about Anthony
Anthony Edwards. It's like you don't even really see people
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try to take it to your face in basketball right now.
It's just not even really a part of the game
right now. That's crazy.
Speaker 2 (04:46):
I think stan Van Gundy made the point. It was
late in the Minnesota game the other night, and he said,
Anthony Edwards has got nineteen points. None of them are
on jump shots, Like he's just going to the basket.
And it feels like Jason Tatum can get to the
basket when he wants, Jalen Brown can get to the
basket when they want. They can, like, there's there's a
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reason why those guys are making seven hundred million dollars
because they were all NBA players, And you have to
have the ability to do more than just stand back
and shoot threes, and they just don't. And it comes,
by the way, it comes off as lazy like it
it feels like a lazy throw it up and well
if it doesn't go in, whatever, and it's just not entertaining.
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And so it's actually kind of nice to see the
Knicks win games and close them out on defense. By
the way, the Knicks weren't even good last night. It's
not like they were scoring at a at a high clip.
Brunson didn't have that great of a game, but still,
like this is what basketball used to be though.
Speaker 4 (05:43):
Yeah, Like that's the problem is we got so accustomed
to teams scoring in the one hundreds of the one
twenties that we see again that's below one hundred. Go oh,
they just had a bad shooting night. No, this is
like actually a good defense. I know, again the guys,
it's the NBA playoffs. We don't see that in the
MDA regular season. This is what good defense looks like.
I think that has played a role a little bit
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too in some of the poor shooting performances.
Speaker 2 (06:08):
Yeah, I just they absolutely deserve to win. They deserve
to mckel Bridges winning. And by the way, that talking
about throwback NBA player, He's never missed a game in
his career.
Speaker 6 (06:19):
He's played.
Speaker 2 (06:20):
Uh, now, there was some fugazi activity. Well, last game
of the season, he played six seconds just to keep
his consecutive game street going. But yeah, listen, I think
he's played. It's five hundred and fifty six straight games.
He's never missed a game. He's out there closing out
games on defense. He was the one scoring early on
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in that quarter. But Jalen Brown, the Celtics other star,
who's really struggled himself the first couple of games. He
spoke following the game.
Speaker 4 (06:51):
I hate to say it, but like this is you
guys are supposed to find ways to score.
Speaker 1 (06:56):
These are the moments that they're the ones that look
like they're playing with the boys, and you guys aren't.
Speaker 4 (07:01):
Can you explain why that's happened?
Speaker 5 (07:03):
Now, two games in a row at.
Speaker 7 (07:04):
Home, I'm not sure we've done. Uh, we've gotten to
great starts. We guarded, we played physical energy today to
start the fourth quarter. I thought we got like four
or five great looks in a row that didn't go
in and maybe that affected us. But uh, you know,
what's done is done. Now we got the opportunity to
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see what we made of and uh, you know, come
out and try to make something happen. Game three.
Speaker 6 (07:33):
So there's a very energetic Jalen Brown.
Speaker 3 (07:36):
I mean they control the entire game except the last part,
like except the fourth quarter. They control. The game is
as sloppy as the play looked as many shots that
were being missed. Jalen went to the rack. Guys were
getting getting to to the hole. They they were playing
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some some really good bad mean, they had a good
first half, a strong first half. Its just it's a
mind blower. It's a head scratcher to even think that
the New York Knicks were able to claw back into
the game in the fashion that they did, let alone
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actually think that there was a real chance that they
could win the game. Like it was like when they
took the lead at the point that they did and
the game was like, you know.
Speaker 5 (08:32):
The clock was basically at the end.
Speaker 3 (08:35):
It just it just gave you this weird feeling and
you could see it, like watching it on the television,
you could see it in the body language of the Celtics.
You could see it and you could feel it that
it was like like like it's just an utter disbelief
that this would happen. And I don't know how demoralizing
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that victory, you know how such it was. I know
I said that the Indiana game, and then that makes
me wonder which one of those is more demoralizing because
Q thinks that Cleveland's gonna come back and win this series.
Speaker 4 (09:12):
That's why baby Calves, Baby Calves coming back.
Speaker 5 (09:14):
Now, classic Ohio fan.
Speaker 4 (09:18):
Let's go GOHI we got this. Never a bad time,
you have a great turnar on, you know.
Speaker 3 (09:24):
But I don't know, I don't know that that wasn't
a more deraliza if I'm comparing those two, I don't
know if that isn't a more demoralizing loss for the
for the Celtics, then that even that Calves game was
probably be honest by the way, you know, that could
have signified the end of the series for that that series.
Speaker 6 (09:44):
The Celtics are still favored to win the series. Undraftkings.
Speaker 5 (09:48):
I could see why. I could see. I mean, Cleveland
has starters out right, like.
Speaker 2 (09:54):
They're for all you HRDs out there getting setting up
the parade, just so you know.
Speaker 4 (10:00):
The betting market says Boston's gonna.
Speaker 2 (10:02):
Win that series, even though you're going back home up
to oh.
Speaker 3 (10:06):
It's more likely that Boston can can climb out of
a two to oh two oh deficit. I see that,
but I still think that the way they lost, that's
just a very very demoralizing situation. Then they go on
the road, you gotta win. You got to try to
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do the same exact thing to them that they've done
to you on your own home court and try to
even up the series if they get one. If they
get one up at home against the Celtics, I think
it's a rap. That's I think that's going to be
too tough to come back from three to one down
to to be able to win a series. I just
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don't I don't see how that would, you know, I
don't see how that would happen. So they got I mean,
they're in must win situation there. They're in must win
mode right now today. So and so is the the
Cleveland Cavaliers. They're in must win mode today. Those two teams,
they are in some serious danger right now.
Speaker 2 (11:09):
So I mean, listen, I know, you know this is
you know, we're going down the road of well, you know,
it's it's, you know, a private matter and all that stuff,
but somebody's got to explain to me what the hell's
going on with Christops Porzengis. At some point during the
course of the season, late in the year, he missed
eight games because of an illness. Now he's dealing with
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some other sort of an illness. Maybe it's tied to
the same thing he had. They want to make sure
everybody let it be known non COVID. All right, so
it's an illness, but we want you to know it's
non COVID. Okay, good, glad, we're clear on that.
Speaker 4 (11:43):
Oh glad, we got that down.
Speaker 2 (11:45):
And so instead, because you can't depend on him, because
he's got this illness that nobody can seem to explain.
Speaker 6 (11:52):
He can't even explain it.
Speaker 2 (11:53):
He talked about it after the game and was just like, yeah, it's,
you know, not an injury. I'm just dealing with something.
I'm not feeling my best. And Al Horford is out
there trying to fill in the minutes and he's just
not the same player he was. He doesn't finish at
the rim the way he used to. He can't shoot
the three like he used to. He's trying his best.
But he's been in the league since like nineteen twenty eight,
and so you're watching the team going, well, this isn't
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exactly who they expected they were going to have at
that spot, because when Porzingis is in there, there's a
big difference, Like he's a huge difference maker. And yet
we can't like there's no explanation for what the hell's
going on? Just whatever, he's got an illness. Okay, all
we know is that it's non COVID.
Speaker 3 (12:33):
Charles Barkley was at like, how I talk about Jimmy Butler.
That's how Charles Barkley was on Porzingis, like, oh, no, Porzingis,
They're not going to win. Nope, nope, gotta have Porzingis, Perzingis,
Prizingis Persingis, And I guess it turned out to be correct.
I don't know, is he the difference?
Speaker 4 (12:54):
Have you not tried the Porzingis? That's fantastic.
Speaker 3 (12:56):
I mean I heard at Britzen britnzeno Benzen. You know
I heard that's pretty good too. You know, it's so different.
Speaker 2 (13:03):
When we have it. It's good, that's interesting. That's a good,
good game show. We could do on the show. Latvia
An NBA player or appetizer. Let's see if we can
put that together, and uh, I'm gonna make some radio goals.
Speaker 4 (13:18):
I had a player one time who was out for
a period of time and it was undisclosed for a while.
They eventually, they eventually, uh kind of came out with
what the injury was. But you never know, you never
know about those injuries. So any it was not football.
Speaker 2 (13:35):
Related, though, should we recklessly speculate as to what.
Speaker 4 (13:39):
The I don't know about this one. I actually don't
even know if we can say this over the air.
Speaker 2 (13:44):
So I mean, well, can we go in like you're
not suing me? Can we get like in the vicinity
vaginis It wasn't that, No, it was wasn't that.
Speaker 4 (14:01):
It was not that in.
Speaker 6 (14:04):
The vicinity of that was.
Speaker 4 (14:05):
A sticks pick in that region sticks picks. Yeah, yeah,
well that one wouldn't have been right, but it was
in that region, So okay.
Speaker 2 (14:16):
Yeah, what a way to go out though, Beat shaking hands,
beat beats opening a door that somebody just tried to
open that had a cold. You know, the there's there's
certain ways you can get sick and other ways you can't.
Speaker 6 (14:30):
So not bad, all right?
Speaker 2 (14:33):
So h so there it is that your look back
on a wild Wednesday night in the NBA Playoffs.
Speaker 5 (14:39):
I mean it's entertaining. I mean that that that that
Denver game was not entertaining. I'm sorry, you know what
that was.
Speaker 6 (14:45):
Ernie Johnson after the game was like, is there anything
else to say about this game? Like, mister professional? Yeah,
what's the point.
Speaker 1 (14:54):
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Speaker 2 (15:08):
We continue on with the the coverage of what the
hell happened with the Shadoor Sanders old number twelve for
the Cleveland Browns, even though members of his camp were
not pleased with the number that was assigned to him.
But Tom Brady was on The Impulsive Podcast with Jake
Paul excuse me, Logan Paul, my apologies, and he had
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this to say when asked about the Shadoor Sanders slide.
Speaker 4 (15:35):
Elephant in the room, Sdar Sanders, what happened?
Speaker 1 (15:38):
Tom?
Speaker 4 (15:39):
Why did he go so late in the draft. It's
a good question.
Speaker 8 (15:42):
I was I wouldn't have part of any evaluation process
or to get otherwise. No, No, well everyone's got every
you know, that's a problem with media is everyone can
just say whatever they want. I actually texted Shador because
I've known him very well, and I said, dude, like,
whatever happens wherever you go, that's first day day two
matters more than the draft.
Speaker 5 (16:02):
I was one ninety nine. Yeah, so who could speak
on it better than me? Like what that really means?
Use it as motivation.
Speaker 6 (16:09):
You're gonna get your chances, go take advantage of it.
Speaker 2 (16:12):
So he had no input whatsoever in this whole discussion,
like because that is the part that's and I remember
when we kind of kicked this idea around because LeVar
throughout in leading up to the draft, like, there could
be a slide if he doesn't go to this team
or that team, there could be a slide. And my
thought was, well, if Tom Brady has this relationship with
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him and they don't take him, then is that saying something.
And they didn't take him a bunch of times and
still took Hey, they still took a quarterback in the draft,
so it's not like they were reversed to taking a
player at that position. It just feels like, why wouldn't
they have been the one to jump at him if.
Speaker 4 (16:53):
That was the case. I think there's a lot of
reasons why they didn't.
Speaker 9 (17:00):
Like.
Speaker 4 (17:00):
Pete Carroll's the new head coach there. He's trying to
set his culture, his environment, everything that he wants. So
I am sure on the way in he said to
Tom Brady, Mark Davis, whoever was a part of those
conversations with their prospective head coaches, I'm not taking this
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job if I can't have final say on the roster.
And that means the draft, that means free agency, that
means resigning guys, all of it. So John Spytek may
be close with Tom Brady and he might be in
that position, but I would assume it's ultimately Pete Carroll's call.
So if you look at the moves they've made since
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Pete Carroll's taken over as head coach, they bring in
Geno Smith, that's his hand picked quarterback. They bring it
comes from Seattle, he was just with him. He's going
to start building the type of environment and culture that
Pete Carroll thinks that Las Vegas needs, and so everything's
going to then feed from there. And again not saying
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that Shador Sanders will come in and be divisive or
be the type of guy that's not going to try
to play along with the culture of the team. But
if there's any questions, if there's any doubt that he
would be the type of player that would do that,
he's off the list. He's not a part of the conversation.
I think that's one of the more underlying things about
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his drop that not many people have touched on, is
the culture and the environment of a team and what
a coach wants and what the leaders on that team want.
You know, they want guys to fall in line behind them,
especially rookies, where you've got to earn your stripes. You've
got to earn everything with those veteran guys, those veteran players,
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because the second you know, a head coach or someone
in that position brings in a rookie that's going to
take away from all that. Unless he's got extreme talent, right,
extraordinary talent. Some way, those veterans are gonna get lost too,
because they're gonna be looking at the head coach, They're
gonna be look at the general manager going what did
you guys do? Why do you guys bring in this guy.
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So to me, it all starts with looking at Pete
Carroll as the head coach, having complete control of it,
him saying, this is not the type of guy we
want to bring in to our locker and our environment.
Now that may change in the future. I'm sure they
did all their due diligence, but at this juncture, that's
probably where he's at. And the other thing on top
of all this is, yes, it's Tom Brady. He's a
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limited partner. This is Mark Davis's team, and it doesn't
matter what Skip says, I don't care any wait in that,
if Tom Brady says he wasn't involved, he wasn't involved.
And by the way, if Tom Brady was involved, especially
to the degree that I think one day he will
be when he's probably a majority owner of that team,
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I think he's gonna be in every single meeting. I
think he's gonna look at every single thing that's taped,
everything else, a single thing that's reviewed, because he understands
the importance of the quarterback position, and he understands the
importance of not missing on guys. Because he probably looks
at his career and says, well, all these teams missed
on me, and so I don't want to be a
team that waits for a guy that I feel like
could be the greatest of all time. And so, knowing
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his work ethic, knowing how he is, I'm sure he's
going to be intricately involved in every one of those meetings,
especially with quarterbacks and playing a very active role. And
so if he wasn't involved, and he maybe even even
said to him, look, I've got a personal relationship with him,
I need to recuse myself of any involvement in this,
not only with you know, Shador, but maybe with the
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position altogether because of how sensitive it was to him,
especially when you have a personal relationship that happens all
the time in business. Hey someone have a personal Yeah, okay,
you need to leave the room, Like you can't vote,
You can't be a part of this because we can't
allow anyone to make an emotional decision. This is a
business decision. That's kind of how I see it.
Speaker 5 (21:01):
Can I address the elephant in the room, please? Odds?
Speaker 3 (21:07):
The odds, Yeah, yeah, it's black smoke. The odds are
not in favor for Shador Sanders right now. Just let
us sink in.
Speaker 5 (21:24):
The odds are not.
Speaker 3 (21:26):
In favor of Shador Sanders having a productive career in
the National Football League. There have been exceptions, and Tom
Brady is clearly easily the best example. Some could throw
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out Kurt Warner, he was stocking grocery store. You know
what is it called what are those things called high V?
Speaker 6 (21:57):
I think it was a high V grocery store and.
Speaker 5 (21:59):
It was bagging groceries. I thought he was stocking the shelves.
There you go.
Speaker 9 (22:03):
Toe.
Speaker 6 (22:03):
I'm more of a pickley wiggly guy myself. But again,
teach her on.
Speaker 5 (22:07):
Here's the point, man, It's just the odds are not
on his side.
Speaker 3 (22:14):
And how how this shakes out and how it plays
out could end up being a very very triumphant, you know, motivating,
inspiring story. But make no mistake about it, he's not
He's not poor. So he's not going to be in
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no grocery store. I can guarantee you that he's not
going to be bagging groceries. You're not going to have
a poor man's story that made it. This is not
pursued a happiness. It's just not whatever it is that
that happens. Schador is pursuing a dream. They want to
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be professional ballplayers. And I think that's very clear, that's
abundantly clear. But is Shador Sanders going to be fine
if it doesn't work out in football? I would assume
that there is nothing in this world that Dion Sanders
wouldn't do to make sure that any one of his
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children are fine moving forward in life. So football is
it would be a great thing if it happens for him,
but it's not the end, all tell all. This is
not a kid from the inner city that came from
the muck of the mud and needed this. That's not
the scenario here. And I'm just being honest. If we
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took Shador Sanders name, and I'll pose this question to you, guys,
if we took Shador Sanders name off of the draft
pick and said that you have a team with Deshaun Watson,
with Joe Flacco, with Kenny Pickett and a draft pick
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that came before you in a ladder round and Dylan
Gabriel before you were selected in the fifth round, you
take the name off of it, do you think he's
even on the roster by the time you get through
through many camp, through training camp. I'll tell you for me,
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I know I pose the question to you, guys, I say, no,
I don't think he makes it to the roster. If
I'm addressing the elephant in the room, I do not
believe Shador Sanders makes it onto the roster in Cleveland.
Speaker 5 (24:48):
I'll leave it to y'all.
Speaker 3 (24:49):
I mean, now, now the elephant is now, the elephant
has been addressed, all right, I mean that's I'll say that.
Speaker 6 (24:56):
Now it's been a dressed. So the undertaker is back
this morning?
Speaker 4 (25:00):
Is that a sticks pick?
Speaker 5 (25:02):
Go ahead, Sam, and I would say this.
Speaker 4 (25:07):
I mean, here's the thing, is I said this before. Well,
I think you're wrong in including Deshaun Watson as part
of it. Does not matter. He will not be on
the active roster. He will be on IR. So the
decision on how many quarterbacks you're going to keep on
the active roster when it comes, he doesn't factor into
it at all.
Speaker 5 (25:26):
So you really work with four quarterbacks.
Speaker 4 (25:28):
So it's between Flacco, Pickett, Dylan Gabriel, the third round pick,
and Shador Sanders. I think between like, I think Joe
Flack would be much more apt if he doesn't win
the starting job, to be able to sit and be
the backup until he gets his opportunity. So I think
regardless of what happens between Kenny pick and Joe Flacco,
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he stays it's Kenny Pickett that I think, because of
where his career is at, I could see if things
don't work out, where he doesn't start, maybe he says,
release me or trade me, let me go somewhere else
to a quarterback needy team and try to play somewhere else.
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I can see that scenario applying out.
Speaker 3 (26:16):
Its hell, why not, why not sit and wait for
for him to fall apart. Damn, I'm going to get
my opportunity.
Speaker 4 (26:23):
And here's the thing is, I'm not saying that that's
not potentially the scenario. Well, you'd have to think that
if they drafted two quarterbacks behind you after trading for you,
clearly they you know, they think enough of you to
trade for you. But if they're drafted two quarterbacks behind you,
not enough to say that you're gonna be definitively the
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guy at any point, like, you gotta earn it, try
to beat out Flacco, and then you gotta hold onto it,
which is tough to do. So I just think in
his situation, he might be saying, like, well, maybe there's
not that much separates from him and Dylan Gabriel, him
and shad Or Sanders, So he might want to try
to look to go elsewhere. And that's one scenario that
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could play out. There's also the scenario that Shador outplays
Dylan Gabriel. I mean, I'll be fully honest about it,
like I thought Shadoor based on what I watched on tape.
If you're talking about just a pure football player, is
a player that translates better to the NFL game than
Dylan Gabriel's game has. You know, there's gonna be some
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limitations with Dylan Gabriel given a size, given he's gonna
have to play in the shotgun given you know, he's
gonna have to, you know, do some different things if
he's ever gonna be under center. I mean, one of
the things that you kind of miss on Kevin Stefanski
is he comes from the coaching tree that they love
the outside zone running scheme. And so if you want
to really be effective with the outside zone running, you
got to play under center. You have to be able
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to give the running back those angles, you have to
be able to give play action boots. All that a
shot from shotgun they're just not as effective. When you
have a short quarterback, you can do those things, but
you really have to get him away from the line
of scrimmage. So it's a lot of deep drops, so
it's a lot of boots. And Dylan Gabriel can do
all those things, but we still need to see him
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do all of that. I think Chador is very capable
of doing that as well. But to me, he's not
as limited with a lot of what he'll be asked
to do just because of his size. And I know
there's not a huge difference. It's not like he's like
six foot six and Dylan Gabriel's five foot six, But
the difference between the two is.
Speaker 3 (28:27):
Is eleven is short significant he's and I know he
is a little dude, and I'm mad. I met him
at the Hall of Fame dinner in Vegas.
Speaker 5 (28:36):
He is a he's a little dude.
Speaker 4 (28:39):
Yeah, he is a little five eleven, right. He feels
probably out that he's a little dude.
Speaker 5 (28:44):
Brouh, Yeah, and so.
Speaker 4 (28:46):
That but that concerns you, right because you're sitting there saying, okay,
can he see I mean I was almost six foot four,
I think three six three and seven eights whatever at.
Speaker 3 (28:54):
The combat, and you still are going to have moments
you're blind throat. You gotta to make sure, Yeah, you
gotta try to see.
Speaker 4 (28:59):
I mean Ryan Tucker early on in my career, big dude,
big old dude out TC out of Texas. Like I mean,
when you drop back, you forget that dude's sitting at
six foot four, six foot five, six foot six, and
then the dude he's going up against is easily six
foot four, six foot five, six foot six. That's just
on their tackles. You have two massive bodies that you
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sometimes have to find the throwing lanes or you have
to be able to throw a ball with timing in
rhythm to a spot that you better hope and believe
that your receiver is going to be at because of
his routes based on timing and precision. So there's all
those things that make it difficult for a guy that
is shorter to be able to see it and especially
play from under center. So look as far as House
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plays out, well again it doesn't matter. I'm just saying,
as far as House all plays out, they'll get the battle,
they'll be able to have the opportunity to get reps
My biggest issue with all of us. I'll keep saying
this is for the Cleveland Browns, for their fan, everyone
as a whole, this whole quarterback you know, conundrum does
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not seem conducive to winning football games in the toughest
division in the NFL. Like having, I mean, four different
guys are gonna be splitting reps. You're trying to get
them all ready, and maybe you sit it's all black
on picket. That doesn't give me much confidence. When you
look at Cincinnati, is there any question about who the
quarterback is Joe Burrow? No, you look at Baltimore's any
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question the quarterback is Lamar Jackson and by the way,
two of the best maybe to ever do it when
it's all said and done. And then at Pittsburgh we're
probably gonna be looking at Aaron Rodgers. So it's like,
when it comes down to it, like that's what you're
going up against. I just I feel like it would
have been better off if they're definitive about one of
these guys being the guy, and then they look at
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two guys it didn't work out, Go somewhere else.
Speaker 3 (30:52):
You got two guys that can come in right now
and play for your team that have played in the
AFC North and one has a Super Bowl in the
AFC North. You got two guys? How many reps? And
keep in mind, is as little as five to eleven?
Is they took that man in the third round. They
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took him in the third round. There was a whole
entire round that went by before they took the door Sanders.
A whole entire round went by after Dylan Gabriel was
selected by the Cleveland Browns, A whole entire round.
Speaker 6 (31:34):
So can we just get it.
Speaker 3 (31:35):
I don't think there's gonna be enough balls and reps
for both of them young boys to make that roster.
Speaker 5 (31:45):
I don't see it.
Speaker 4 (31:47):
I don't see stick sticks.
Speaker 5 (31:49):
There you go.
Speaker 6 (31:51):
So you're calling it?
Speaker 4 (31:52):
Are you including the practice squattest part of it?
Speaker 5 (31:57):
I do not believe when it's all said, you're not
gonna answer my question.
Speaker 3 (32:04):
Are you When all of the dust and the smoke clears,
does practice squad cows.
Speaker 5 (32:14):
Chedor Sanders will not.
Speaker 9 (32:20):
Be on.
Speaker 5 (32:22):
The Cleveland Browns team?
Speaker 3 (32:25):
Damn he will not be in Cleveland come week one
of the new NFL football at the start of the
football season, does the practice squad counts?
Speaker 5 (32:43):
Did you hear what I just said. He won't even
be in Cleveland, not even on the Pea squad. Okay,
he won't listen what I'm telling you.
Speaker 3 (32:50):
He won't be at a hotel, he won't be in
in a house, he won't be in a motel, and
he won't see a man.
Speaker 5 (33:00):
And it won't be in Cleveland.
Speaker 4 (33:05):
Okay. Here's the one thing that is an interesting question
I'll ask both of you is sometimes when you get
so remember there's like the initial cut where everyone has
to cut down to fifty three men. However, what usually
happens is nothing matters until the Week one roster for
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that first game. That's when you ultimately see what the
roster will be for the rest of season, because there's
some guys that'll keep after that initial wave of cuts
to stash on their roster, and then they'll like released
right before week one to be able to then put
them on their practice squad or figure out a way
of still keeping them as a part of the organization
they really like. Well, you do that with players that
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you're worried about people snatching them off of your practice squad.
So that's why I asked the question about practice squad he's.
Speaker 5 (33:56):
Going to let a team, But I don't. I don't.
Speaker 3 (34:00):
It's not gonna He's not going to be in Cleveland.
He will land on a team. That's my You think
my prediction is he gets cut and he goes somewhere else.
And you want to know why that's my reasoning. It's
not because, oh, you're throwing shade at your door, Oh
you're hating on your door.
Speaker 2 (34:19):
No, I think there's a lot of racial undertones. To
be honest with you, from where I'm sitting.
Speaker 3 (34:24):
I would love to know the stat on a fifth
round pick that ends up being on a roster, even
the practice squad that had a third round draft pick
in front of him and two free agents that had
to battle it out for the starting job. Because those
two draft picks are not going to battle it out
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in the beginning, in the initial two to be the
starter of this team. I do not see that that
is not realistic in terms of the National Football League
and especially not in the AFC North.
Speaker 5 (34:59):
I do not see them.
Speaker 3 (35:01):
Getting enough reps, and generally speaking, a late round draft
pick to a free agent do not get enough reps,
not even and let's be clear, even if they.
Speaker 5 (35:15):
Do get reps, even if they do play in the preseason.
Speaker 3 (35:20):
You will see a guy that had a tremendous a
tremendous preseason that was an undrafted free agent. You will
see a guy that that was a late round draft
pick that has a tremendous preseason, and they still get
cut because it's a numbers game, and the numbers game
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does not fall into the category of of of advantageous
four a fifth round pick especially and this is key,
especially out of position where it's only one. This isn't
a receiver where there's what what does a receiver room
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have six of them?
Speaker 5 (36:04):
Something like that?
Speaker 4 (36:05):
Six seven with practice.
Speaker 5 (36:06):
Okay, this is not one of.
Speaker 6 (36:08):
Those multi you get a lot of guys in the room.
So it's like, oh, you know, you can give him time.
Speaker 5 (36:16):
It's not that position. There is only one.
Speaker 3 (36:21):
There's only one quarterback, and you can't you cannot hide
him as as a slash steward. You can't put him
at kick returner, you can't put him at receiver, you
can't use him as a dual threat guy where you
move him around.
Speaker 5 (36:40):
He's a quarterback.
Speaker 1 (36:44):
It's it is.
Speaker 3 (36:46):
It is not feasible to think that the position of
where he got drafted that he will be with the
Cleveland Browns, and I'm taking the name. I'm removing the name.
I'm not saying this based off of the name. I'm
saying it based off of what history says, what the
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way things are done.
Speaker 5 (37:08):
That's what I'm basing this off of. That's what it's
based off of.
Speaker 3 (37:12):
Notha Door Sanders being a fifth round draft pick after
there was a third round draft pick that came before you,
and two free agents brought in, and you need a
starter in the AFC North.
Speaker 5 (37:24):
That's what I'm.
Speaker 3 (37:24):
Basing it off of. Well, shade, I promise it's not shade.
It's just truth, and he needs to be prepared for that.
Speaker 1 (37:32):
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Speaker 9 (38:00):
How you doing, guys, what's going on?
Speaker 5 (38:02):
We do not sound at all.
Speaker 9 (38:05):
Come on, I was a little I was a little
flat of the games there. I apologize.
Speaker 2 (38:12):
Hey, Albert, Albert, just between me and you, don't worry.
Draftking still says that the Celtics are going to win
that series the betting odds. Yeah, they're the favorite to
win that series.
Speaker 9 (38:24):
Still, So I mean, I yeah, I uh, I don't
know how much faith I have when the game plan
is constantly to launch threes and screw up possessions at
the end of regulation, over time and a half, whatever,
whatever the situation.
Speaker 5 (38:39):
What NBA game.
Speaker 4 (38:40):
Isn't that though, Albert? Isn't that the NBA nowadays? Outside
of the negative parts, I really don't.
Speaker 9 (38:45):
I mean, I don't get it because it's like I
don't feel like any of its situational anymore. I don't
want to get a huge, like philosophical debate here, but like,
like I don't get like, when you're up twenty to
keep launching threes when you're not hitting them, you know
what I mean? Like it's like, shouldn't you just be
trying to, like, I don't know, close the game out?
Speaker 1 (39:06):
You know what?
Speaker 9 (39:07):
I mean, like, isn't the I mean, it's the if
the goals to score one hundred and forty points, then yeah, maybe,
like you keep watching three, the goal is to win
the game, shouldn't you adjust your strategy, especially if they're
not going down for you? It doesn't make any sense
to me. It just feels like everything is a mass
problem now and again we can we have a larger
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discussion about that. But you know, it's, uh, it's it's
frustrating to watch for sure.
Speaker 2 (39:32):
All right, so let's ask you about this what exactly
went wrong between George Pickens and Mike Tomlin and Pittsburgh
because it does feel like when they decide to move
away from wide receivers, it's a telling sign, it sure is.
Speaker 9 (39:47):
I mean, I think you look at the history of it,
and obviously Artavius Bryant and uh, you know, and and
Jugi Smith Schuster and Antonio Brown and clip Chase Claypool.
There's a ton of history. Mike Wallace guys that weren't
nearly as productive when they left Pittsburgh as they were
when they were Steelers. And you know, I think one
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of the things that Mike is really Mikes He's really
good at is being able to reach people, and it's
allowed the Steelers to cast a wide nett talent wise,
they can take chance on guys other teams can't because
Mike's so good in that area. So it's always to
me like a red flag when when the Steelers are
ready to walk away from a guy. There is some
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explanation here, though. I think a big part of it
is he's going into a contract here. They're probably not
going to give me a huge contract, and they're bringing
Dk Metcalf who's also an ex receiver, so there's a
little bit of a redundancy there. And you know, if
you look at two guys who do a lot of
the same things, you know, you're sort of projecting forward
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and you're looking at it and I think you're saying, okay, so,
like this is going to eat into George Pickens production,
into his role. How is he going to accept that?
And what's that going to look like in October and
November when he's playing for life changing money and we're
not giving it to him, you know, And I think
that's a huge part of it, and that's a nuance
the whole thing that I don't think very many people
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are paying attention to and that, by the way, could
be a problem Dallas too, you know, because you know
you've got an established number one receiver there in Ceedee Lamb,
who's a volume player, like who's you know, had over
one hundred catches several times, and who you're going to
get the ball to a lot as you should because
he's one of the best receivers in football. And so
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you know, like for Dallas, you know, it's going to
be easy for everybody to say the right things at OTAs,
at mini camp and training camp. But where the rubber
hits the road is like when you get October in November,
and you know Dak Prescott's going to Ceedee Lamb in
the big spots, and you know, maybe George Pickens has
a two or three week stretch where he has four yards,
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then he has thirty five yards, then he has six yards.
How are you going to handle that? You know, I
think that's all part of the equation here, and you know,
it's certainly something I think that that played into Pittsburgh's
willingness to move on and and also you know, I
think is part of what Dallas is going to be
faced with and trying to get the most out of
a very very talented player, Albert.
Speaker 4 (42:14):
Let's stay with the Pittsburgh Steelers here. What the hell's
happening at the quarterback position? I mean, they've got to
be all in on Rogers or Bust at this point.
Speaker 9 (42:21):
Yeah, Mason Rudolph is happening at quarterback right now. Yeah,
they're trying to, like my read on the whole thing, Brady,
if they feel confident about where they are. I don't
know one way or the other whether they have a
hard assurance from Aaron, but they I know, they feel
good about it, and you know obviously, and then the
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next question would be, well, why don't you just sign
him then? And I think part of it is, you know,
out of respect for the personal stuff that Aaron's referenced.
And I think for both sides it's like, okay, like
you could do a contract now, you know, but then
if he's out there for for OTAs, for different phases
of the off season program, then that's going to be
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hanging over both sides, like when does he show up?
Speaker 3 (43:09):
You know?
Speaker 9 (43:09):
So I and I don't think like retirements totally out
of the equation. I you know, if if things go
away in Minnesota. Could they revisit I mean, I think
like that's the thing is, like there's so much some
of whose ends like just sitting out there now. But
I think that the Steelers for right now are trying
to respect the situation that that that Aaron Rodgers is in.
And you know, I certainly think that Aaron Rodgers is
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a little leery to feel tied down to anything until
all the stuff in his personal life as resolved.
Speaker 3 (43:40):
Abe, I want to switch to another AFC North team
and another quarterback situation and kind of oppose this question
to the fellas earlier, and I'd be curious to get
your take on it. In a draft and on a team,
if you have two guys, so we we we've all
agreed to limit one quarterback, all right. You eliminate Deshaun
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Watson from the conversation. He's not going to be a
part of it. You bring in two free agents and
Pickett and Flacco, and then you draft one in the third,
and then you draft one in the fifth, taking all
names out of the draft and just saying you drafted
one in the third, you drafted one in the fifth,
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and you brought in two free agents in the same offseason.
What do you think the likelihood and just every year
operation of business, would it be plausible to think that
that fifth round quarterback will be on that roster or
even on the practice squad come come season? And do
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you think that there will be a difference, because I
feel like I know what you're going to say, is
this different because of the name when you attach the
name to the fifth rounder?
Speaker 9 (44:57):
I mean, I think we've already seen it different, right,
It is different because of the name. That's that goes
without saying there's like strings attacked that wouldn't be attached
with a if you know she do his last name
was Smith. That's just what it is, you know, And
so like I think, you know, just the challenges ahead
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are real, you know, for Kevin Stefanski and his coaching staff.
And I think the first one is coming right away,
which is how do you divvy up the reps? How
do you create the right opportunity for everybody? Because I
think with four quarterbacks on the roster, the rules the
way they are now about what you can do in
the spring, what you can do in the summer, you know,
I think you know, for a lot of teams, like
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the spring is about teaching and the summers about competition. Well,
I think for the Browns they have to get a
read on how their quarterbacks stack up and at least
have a working pecking order going into the summer, just
to be fair to the rest of the team, you know,
because you can't have the entire training can't be about
like okay, like this is going to be a four
man quarterback race, Like you can't let that consume training camp.
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So I think you have to have an idea of
where you're at, like at the the end of the
off season program in the middle of June, and then
split the work up when you get to the summer
based on that. And the easy thing to do would
be to say, well, all right, like let's take Joe
out of the equation for right now, Joe, You've already
played for Kevin. But you think Joe Flacco is gonna
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sign up for that, you know, I mean, based on
his own desire to win the job, and you know
the fact that he's going to be working with a
new offensive coordinator that he doesn't know there and Tommy Reese,
does he really want to sit there and let the
other guys get the leg up on him when he
knows that it wouldn't cost a team any more to
walk away from him and release him at the end
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of camp than awake Kenny Pickett. So you know, if
you're Joe, you're probably gonna want to get the reps too. So,
like I think, it's it's a tricky situation for everyone involved,
and you know they're gonna have to be creative and
and finding a way to get a real read on
where the rookies are and you know, the even like
I mean, on another level, when you get to the
to the end of camp and you know you're you're
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getting closer to the cutdown, you know, I think you
have to assess, okay, like if schaduor or Dylan Gabriel
aren't your starter or either of them ready to be
your primary backups, And if they are, then do you
walk away from the veteran who doesn't win the starting job?
And if they aren't, does that mean you're keeping four
quarterbacks or you're cutting.
Speaker 5 (47:25):
One of the rookies?
Speaker 9 (47:26):
Can you sneak one of the rookies to the practice squad?
It's because normally, like a third round pick, I mean
generally a third round pick makes the team. You know,
a third round pick generally isn't going to be cut.
A fifth round pick could be cut. Are you cutting
Shador then? Correct, It's just complicated in so many different ways,
you know.
Speaker 3 (47:42):
That's what I'm saying. So if you take the name
out of it, chances are you're cutting the fifth rounder. Like,
that's a strong chance that the fifth rounder is.
Speaker 9 (47:50):
Getting cut if you take the names out of it.
LeVar I would say, if you just look at this
situation logistically, I think you would say your door has
to beat out one of the veterans first spot.
Speaker 3 (48:02):
On the roster, right, And much like what anybody else
would face, you're and what you're saying, you're not going
to get enough reps to be able to do that that.
Speaker 5 (48:12):
It just doesn't seem.
Speaker 3 (48:13):
Feasible that a fifth rounder is going to get with
four quarterbacks. It doesn't seem like they're going to get
enough reps to do that, which is why, like.
Speaker 9 (48:24):
It's not weird that they took sha door in the
fifth round. It's weird that they took to on Gabriel
in the third round and then took the door in
the fifth round. You know, that's correct, It's not strange
that you would take a flyer on to do or
it's that you would take a flyer on after you
already spent a.
Speaker 5 (48:39):
Page, already took a quarterback. That's that's what I'm thinking too.
Speaker 4 (48:43):
By the way, historical data tells us that approximately fifty
to six percent of fifth round picks will make the
NFL roster in their first year. So interesting stat.
Speaker 3 (48:51):
What's that position again? I still think that's based off
the position. I think that we don't need to argue
about this.
Speaker 4 (48:58):
We're on the same page were we know we LeVar
made a very clear indication he doesn't think Chador is
going to be on the team come week one of
next year in any capacity, practice, squad or ross.
Speaker 5 (49:09):
I don't think so he's put that out there.
Speaker 4 (49:12):
So I want to touch on what you just said
though there, Albert, because you said it's odd though that
they draft him the fifth round after they took one
in the third, and given the veterans that are both
there who made the decision. Then, because help me understand,
help Browns fans understand if you're going to take one
of the third after you already added two, one via trade,
one veteran you signed, that's already been there, and you've
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kind of got the Deshaun Watson thing lingering, even though
he's not going to be back for this year. Like
who made the decision then to then draft Shador and
add that to the mix.
Speaker 9 (49:44):
I don't know exactly who pulled the trigger on it.
I know the looks on the faces of the guys
who were in that draft room were when the when
the pick was made. I mean, I look like I
think sometimes these things can work different ways, you know
what I mean? Like I I think it's notable too.
And this is a point that I don't I don't
hear a lot of people making it was their last pick,
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and I think that that's relevant too, don't you guys
Like they didn't have another pick after that fifth rounder.
So look, it does make you wonder it's like, all right,
well we have to take him at some point, you
know what I mean? Like, so like, I you know
it could be I mean, you know, obviously Jimmy's story
is what it is, but like then there's also like
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the piece of it, like where it's like if you
know that's what your owner wants, like and your owner
has been pushing it, but he's not specifically saying you
have to take them. I mean, do you kind of
feel cornered and it's like okay, like, well let's just
do it here. You know, it could be something like
that too. So I don't know exactly. I don't know
the ins and outs of whether or not, like this
code red was ordered, but you know, I can't say
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it didn't happen either, Albert Breer.
Speaker 6 (50:54):
So I'm curious based on everything.
Speaker 2 (50:56):
That we know this offseason, because I feel like there's
been too much negativity here on shod Or Sanders and
all the other standard lines. If you had to right
now say now that free agency has done for the
most part, there's still some names out there. But now
that it's done for the most part, now that the
draft is done, coaches have been hired. Which team do
you think has had the best off season?
Speaker 9 (51:21):
I would, you know, I think New England's had a
really good off season with you know, what they've been
able to do around around Mike Rabel and you know,
going and getting a bunch of guys Like I think
it's a lot like the Commander's offseason last year where
they they brought in a lot of guys that had
connections to the coaching staff. Morgan Moses was with Todd
Downing in New York. You know, Robert Splaine was with
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Josh McDaniels in Vegas. Obviously, got a couple of Rabel
guys there. They come over from Tennessee, guys like you know,
Harold Andry so like. There are definitely I think a
lot of moves the Pacers made on top of the
bigger moves like Steph Diggs and and uh and and
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Milton Williams, where you look at it and you say, okay,
like there there's some certainty there. They know what they're
getting because they've been with those guys before. The other
the other team I really like was was Chicago, and
I just I think fortifying the offensive line in front
of a front of Caleb Williams and really like fortifying
both fronts, you know, and doing what they did and
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you know, going and getting you know Dio Oda yingbo
from from from Indianapolis and Grady j from Atlanta for
their defensive line and then the offensive line, uh, you know,
being able to land three new starters and and Jonah Jackson,
Joe Tooney and Drew Dollman. Yeah, I just think like
that's a good way to assure that you're going to
(52:48):
be in every game. Like if if you're strong on
the line of scrimmage, chances are you're going to be
able to have some control over the games you're playing
in and you're the very least going to give you
a chance to be in every game, and you're gonna
get a clean rate at who your rookie.
Speaker 5 (53:01):
Quarterback is going to be?
Speaker 9 (53:03):
Who your who, your who your quarterback? You're now second
your quarterback can grow into the being and uh and
yeah at Colston level in there too. So I like
Chicago and New England. Obviously both those teams had a
long way to go coming from where they were last year,
but I think both teams had really solid off seasons.
Speaker 6 (53:21):
There is get him on x at Albert Breer.
Speaker 2 (53:24):
He is the senior NFL reporter lead content strategist at
the m m QB. You can also see his work
during the season on Amazon NFL on Prime And by
the way, keep keep your head up again, Abe, the
Celtics are a favored to win that series.
Speaker 6 (53:37):
I just want a friendly reminder because I know you
were you were wearing it a little bit on social media.
Speaker 9 (53:41):
How do you feel about it?
Speaker 6 (53:43):
I mean, I think they're I think they're going to win,
but LaVar's killing off everyone. Yeah, LeVar is the undertaker
this week.
Speaker 5 (53:52):
Yeah, I don't know.
Speaker 3 (53:53):
Demoralizing Victna loss is demoralizing out of there, the really
bad loss.
Speaker 9 (54:00):
Having Saturday night, they got two days to think about
it now, so we'll see it happen they.
Speaker 6 (54:04):
Do, all right, all right, do it again next week.
There are Albert Deer this year on Foxport training He's
got Ohio state. Yeah, he's fine.
Speaker 5 (54:16):
There's always Ohio state. You know, he's got he's got
Ohio state.
Speaker 2 (54:20):
Which, funny, I think they were in some poll they
were voted most toxic fan base recently fans.
Speaker 6 (54:27):
Yeah, there was some pole that was.
Speaker 4 (54:28):
Out there, well, that was coming off of the UH.
The admission from a was a Tennessee fan who apparently
stay fan told their five year old kid something about
Santa Claus. I believe that didn't go over.
Speaker 6 (54:42):
Well, yeah, that's not very nice
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