Best of 2 Pros and a Cup of Joe

Wednesday on 2 Pros and a Cup of Joe, the Pacers close out the Cavs and the Thunder take the lead on the Nuggets. Bengals DE Trey Hendrickson continues to air out Bengals ownership. And The Old P, Petros Papadakis jumps on to talk about Michael Jordan behind the mic, Belichick drama, surfing and Special K.

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Speaker 1 (00:02):
Is the best of two pros and a couple Joe
with Lamar Airings and Rady Win and Jonas Knox on radio.

Speaker 2 (00:13):
We must start with what look was a fantastic game
to close out the night that was in the NBA playoffs,
but an unfortunate turn of events that led to the
dismissal of the one seed in the Eastern Conference. Good morning, everybody,
Good morning.

Speaker 3 (00:31):
Yeah, might as well play taps.

Speaker 4 (00:33):
I mean, if we want to go that direction of
the gate. Gutsy performance though by Donovan Mitchell. You could
tell he was pretty torn apart. But I mean, look,
Indiana was the better team. They're the best three point
shooting team this entire season. I don't know if that
shocks people are not probably don't get enough credit for it. Uh,

(00:55):
Tyres Haliburt was phenomenal, and look they they deserved it
to move on. This Cleveland team looked like a shell
of itself, banged up. Yes, but I mean the three
point shooting was like ten percentage points below what it
was during the regular season, Like they just could not
hit shots last night.

Speaker 2 (01:12):
Yeah, and then you've got the undertaker.

Speaker 5 (01:15):
Well, they didn't do well on the free throw line either.
You know that wouldn't do anything super super critical that
they weren't you know, knocking down points. They actually if
you look at how many how many free throws they
they botched during during the stretch of the backstretch of

(01:35):
that game. I mean, Donovan at one point missed three
in a row. You know, I think at one point
they had missed four in a row, and you know,
if you put those points on the board, it could
could have been a different outcome. So, I mean, for
what it's worth, they they they lost the game and
they lost the series. But it wasn't due to them

(01:56):
not you know, obviously being in position to be able
to get out of the game. They just, you know,
they they just you know, there could be other things
you could pinpoint and say that maybe that might have
been the reason why. But I certainly look.

Speaker 4 (02:10):
At Garland not like he does not look healthy.

Speaker 5 (02:15):
He not only looked hurt, he didn't They didn't look
fresh either, because Garland Garland had his moments too where
he limped around, you know, for for a little while.

Speaker 4 (02:25):
I mean they did, dude, Max, trust he's still trying
to find the address for the gym.

Speaker 3 (02:29):
By the way, that was an all bad shooting performance.

Speaker 5 (02:33):
I'm just saying it's been bad shooting period.

Speaker 4 (02:36):
It's been awful for bad But like last night to
the over from everywhere, you can't have that.

Speaker 3 (02:42):
You can't have that a.

Speaker 4 (02:43):
Game five, potential elimination game. You know, you gotta hit
some shots, find ways to get into the basket.

Speaker 2 (02:48):
I mean, Garland, I want to know what's going on
with this toe? Does he have a toe? Because I
don't like it? Like is he like the iron claw
where they're gonna pan over and he takes his boot
off and next thing you know, there's nothing below his ankle. Like,
I just want to know what's going on.

Speaker 5 (03:04):
With Garlsand something was something that the gators or something
was biting at his toe because he was having some
rough times up and down that court, bro and they
didn't even take him out. They ain't even try to
find a way to take him out. They kept him in.
And I don't know, man, it was just it was
one of those series where you know, for me, it
was disappointing because I thought that this was the year

(03:27):
that the Cavs would take that next step, super talented
team and had all the pieces and Donovan Mitchell started
out so so quickly and so fast, and it just
kind of it just died off for him. But so
you guys do know, you do know, you do know

(03:47):
it's coming. I mean you do After that demoralizing loss
that they took. I did predict that the series was over.
I mean I did say that this series.

Speaker 3 (04:00):
You're right in Minneapolis, that you're right.

Speaker 5 (04:03):
You said it the more the more lied. It was
a demoralizing victory, Brady, and then very it very much
made the Cavaliers feel like they were well, they were normal.
They weren't. They weren't the superpower that that people felt
they were. They were just a pedestrian level team and

(04:27):
well proved out.

Speaker 2 (04:30):
For what it's worth, Brady, I wouldn't do that going home.
I wouldn't do that to you, for what it's worth.

Speaker 5 (04:35):
I talked to Scott Brady, you know.

Speaker 4 (04:37):
I talked to Scott's yesterday and I was just he
was like, yeah, sorry. I was like, yeah, I'll probably
lose tonight. I said, I'm a Minnesota Temperbles fan. Now,
I was like, one of us has to make it
through here.

Speaker 5 (04:47):
In the Midwest.

Speaker 3 (04:48):
So I'm not root. Now they're sorry, they not root
for the Taser they can't do it, won't do it,
can't do it, won't do it.

Speaker 5 (04:57):
Yeah, it doesn't look good for them with without having
uh Steph Curry. Is he in the game tonight? Is
he playing tonight?

Speaker 2 (05:07):
Do you guys want to hear you mentioned the the
upset Donovan Mitchell.

Speaker 3 (05:12):
Do you want to.

Speaker 2 (05:12):
See let him hear it. Let's hear Donovan post game.

Speaker 5 (05:16):
They don't want to believe it. Don't want to believe it.

Speaker 6 (05:19):
Still don't want to believe it.

Speaker 3 (05:21):
It's tough.

Speaker 6 (05:22):
It's tough to win this league. Give them credit. We
didn't do the things necessary. I love playing in an arena, man,
like that energy, that crowd rolling three at home?

Speaker 3 (05:35):
You know, let the.

Speaker 6 (05:36):
City down, man, that's this place is special. This place
is really special. And I mean, get it done, Chris,
I guess, especially at home. That's what hurts, you know,
getting beat down like this and you're all going to
write some about us, man, and that's going to be fuel,

(05:58):
like you know, fuel for everybody. Y'all gonna say a lot,
y'all are and that's what it takes. I've been here,
so I understand, we understand, and now we just got
to use it as fuel for next.

Speaker 2 (06:11):
Year sounded like Brady after the Indians changed their name.

Speaker 3 (06:17):
What it just what.

Speaker 4 (06:22):
I mean, definitely distraught. I'm not sure I've ever said
anything along those lines. I love it, though, man, I mean,
he's a let's just take a step back this organization.
And we've talked about earlier this week. They were lucky
enough two have a title because they were lucky enough
to get a guy in Lebron James. Now you know,

(06:43):
he took him to an NBA Finals his first time around.

Speaker 3 (06:47):
Lost.

Speaker 4 (06:48):
I'll still never forget sitting in the stands with my
dad watching that and just getting trounced by the San
Antonio Spurts, who were, by the way, a much better team,
much better team. Those are much better roster, and Lebron
had his work cut out for him. Leaves in a
manner that I think most people would rather forget that

(07:09):
were Cleveland fans, But that was the direction. That was
the manner in which he chose to explain how he
was going to go down to play for the Miami Heat.
He goes and wins a couple titles down there. I
think he learns a lot from pat Riley, he learns
a lot from Eric Spolstra and he's able to come
back then and I guess fulfill a promise, however you

(07:30):
want to look at it.

Speaker 3 (07:31):
But he leaves again, and I think what he gets.

Speaker 4 (07:35):
Lost in all this is the ownership of Dan Gilbert,
who you know, one of the reasons why I think
you look at Lebron and wanting to come back to
Cleveland was they had built up the roster at that
point where actually made it easier for him to want
to come back and have a chance of winning, and
they were willing to invest in the roster when he

(07:56):
came back, you know, even then after he left the
second this has been a team that is I think
quietly built back up their roster to replace a guy
that's looked at by some as if not the greatest,
one of the greatest of all time. Like, like I
know this is disappointing for a lot of Cleveland Cavalier fans,

(08:17):
but like time and time again, you'd have to say
Dan Gilbert has done a good job as an owner
of trying to make you forget all of that. Like
I'm trying to think about the Bowls seasons after Michael
Jordan like finally left and was done. I can't really recall, like,
I don't know that there was much juice behind that

(08:37):
team until Derrick Rose joined. And that's where you're like,
all right, the Chicago Bulls now a shot. But that's
one of the things about Cleveland. I think they've kind
of flown on the radars. They've been a really good team,
kind of looking at their track records since he left
the second time. As far as being consistently in the
hunt in the East.

Speaker 2 (08:57):
It's also there was some thought it either before last
season or the season before, you know, does Garland want
to play with Donovan Mitchell? Can those two guys co exist?
And not only they co exist, they were by far
and away the best team of the conference, but like
not even close, and matched up well with Boston and
match up well with everybody. They just got screwed by

(09:21):
the injuries in the postseason and it was just bad timing.
And I think that's probably part of the frustration for
Mitchell and everybody there.

Speaker 4 (09:30):
Yeah, and look, I can give any Anta credits or
like they played Gray d they're the way better shooting team,
but that is it shouldn't go unnoticed. That's all I'm
saying is they were awesome in the regular season. This
team I think can still be something in the future.
And I do think Dan Gilbert deserves more credit for
what he has been able to build there in Cleveland.

Speaker 3 (09:52):
And you can see obviously the players, you know, love
the environment, love the fan base, everything else comes along
with it. It just couldn't deliver this time.

Speaker 5 (10:01):
The Nuggets played yesterday and lost, and the thunder Plate
yesterday and won as well. And while I know that
it's Brady's childhood team and we had to put dirt
on them after the game last evening, there there was
another game that was actually more interesting than the Calves series. Actually,

(10:25):
thanks for that. I just wanted to give you the time,
give them the proper you know, Sindari that they were
deserving of a childhood fan because I understand that pain.
You know. Listen, I you know.

Speaker 3 (10:43):
They're going to a better place. Three hell marriage, you.

Speaker 5 (10:47):
Know, and a good luck and God bless man, you know,
enjoy that off season, get healthy, go find that toe.

Speaker 2 (10:55):
And then find that and then what do you say,
are uh riverside you know, and get ready for the Browns.

Speaker 5 (11:05):
I'll tell you what. It looks as though your Nuggets
are on their way home to seven. I don't it
probably will. It probably will take seven to decide it.
But I think the reason why it's going to be
the Thunder over the Nuggets is just rest.

Speaker 2 (11:28):
It's you know, it's it's been the best series of
the playoffs by far.

Speaker 5 (11:32):
It's the best series. It's the it's the more competitive
series of any of them one. But it's just the
freshness of the Thunder. I mean, it was so evident
and apparent. And even though Joki is doing so so well,
you know in the numbers and obviously is rebounding, you know,

(11:54):
he's he's doing all he can to be able to
try to win for this team. Murray is doing all
he can to try to win for this team. But
they're tired. Man. That's a tired, battered and bruised team
if you ask me. And it showed, it shows at
the end of these games, right you're talking about three dudes.

(12:18):
Three dudes were over forty minutes on that team, not
one on the Oklahoma on the Oklahoma City team went
over forty minutes, not one close. Obviously, Sga is going
to be out there, and you know, the forward, the
not the bigger Williams, Jay Williams, but the smaller one.

(12:40):
He got a lot of minutes and a lot of
very impactful minutes. But this is such a well balanced team,
and I think Hartenstein and Holmgren I said that at
the beginning of the series. I'm gonna circle back and
double down on it. Even though Jokic is scoring so much,

(13:01):
he's doing so well, I think the job that they're
doing is kind of I think it's going to go
maybe understated, maybe even underestimated because of how like, if
there were any series where you could look at and
you'd be like, if you want to see how great

(13:23):
Joki is and how dominant a player he is, watch
this series. Go back and watch this series, because every
single thing the Thunder is doing is really geared towards
doubling up on him, going going low side, backside, help
on him. He doesn't get an easy spin there was

(13:46):
there's nothing easy for him. He uses his size to
set himself up within the key to get to the
to the rim, and the defense has been so swarming
and so smothering that it's a forty four point It's
a forty four point, you know, production game for Jokic,

(14:07):
But man, it's hard it's super hard on him to
maintain a pace in that game, and it's super hard
for the Nuggets to maintain They're just they're just the
thunders too fast for them. That it's too it's too much.
It's too many waves of just quickness, speed coming at

(14:28):
them at both sides of the court. The pace of
this series is just too fast for the Nuggets.

Speaker 3 (14:32):
They're the deepest.

Speaker 5 (14:33):
Don't think they can win it.

Speaker 2 (14:34):
Okay s He's the deepest team in the league. It's
not even close. And the guy who deserves I think
a ton of credit for last night. Obviously, SG had
a great game, Jokic had a great game.

Speaker 5 (14:43):
Lou Dort uh Get is out there. He's making a
name for him.

Speaker 2 (14:47):
So Okse was down eight, I believe it was with
a few minutes left, and the only guy that was
hitting shots was lou Dort at that point. He hit
I think like three threes and then had a save
on the sideline which led to a basket I think
from home grin at the rim and gave ok See
the lead, and from there it completely changed the outcome
because they they were not stopping Joker the entire night.

(15:09):
That three he hit where he had no options. He
was looking for somebody to throw to and he just
threw it up and it went in. And I think
even Barkley said it afterwards. He's like, I hope people
are appreciating how dominant and how great of a player
this is. And it goes back to the original quote
from James Harden who talked about it before their series
with Denver, where James Harden said, look Sga is going

(15:32):
to be the MVP. Everybody in the league knows that
Joker is the best player in the league, like he
is the best player in the league. He played the
entire fourth quarter last night, and you've got an eight
point lead with the best player on the planet playing
like he is, and you needed shots from somebody else,
and lou Dort stepped up. I still think it's going
to go seven, though. I think Denver is going to

(15:52):
get Game six and we're going to see a Game seven,
which is rightfully so based on how these teams have
been matched up thus far.

Speaker 3 (15:59):
I hope it goes seven.

Speaker 4 (16:00):
But yeah, I don't know if you heard the commentary
in the first half, they kept talking about when you're
when LeVar is talking about just the rotation for localo
Citney Thunder. That's the whole strategy is they feel like
Oklahoma City will win if they're fresher in the fourth quarter,
and so all the rotation that you're seeing, all the
different guys mixing in, that's by design. I think they

(16:21):
feel they feel like that's the kryptonite, you know, for
Oklahoma City to the Denver Nuggets, because you know, djok
can play forty four minutes and he can do his part,
he can score all the points he wants, but if
there's not much of a supporting cast around him, and
you know there was at times last night, but not
as as consistently as you see from Oklahoma City.

Speaker 3 (16:42):
That's where they win.

Speaker 4 (16:43):
They went on the bench points, they went on kind
of freshness, better defense at the end, and it proved
to be a winner last night. So I hope it
goes seven, honestly, for like everyone's sake, not only watching
this matchup, but seeing, you know, Jokic be able to
play out this series.

Speaker 3 (16:57):
If they're not the team to be able to advance.

Speaker 5 (17:00):
Can I tell you some tiber Wolves are going to
send them home. They're going to send Golden State home
tonight today? And is that what I think it is.
Is that what I think there it is. If she's
there for it, then we'll call it that. I think
that they're going to end it tonight. They're going to

(17:20):
put put Golden State out of their misery and then
they're going to be waiting for the winner of this series.
And it's going to be the Thunder. So if I'm
the Thunder, you you gotta get it done. You can't.
I mean, listen, They're going to be pretty good. I mean,
there's every last one of their players played. Can you
imagine that they use their entire bench. You know, that's

(17:42):
like kind of unheard of, And in the playoffs they
used their entire bench. And and so to me, the
skill level and and the game plan that that the
Thunder had brought to the table is shining through. And
at least we have one top rated team that is

(18:04):
showing why they're a top rated team in this playoff.
Because it's just now, it's I don't know who's going
I think it's the Pacers that will end up winning,
you know, in the next round. I do not think
it will be the Knicks, even though they are pretty decent.
I think it's a bad matchup but this next series,

(18:28):
I do not think OKC wants to go to seven.
They got to try to get out of it at
six so that they have a little bit of rest time,
even though they have such a great rotation, because I
think that's going to be the most competitive series of
the playoffs. Yeah, I don't think it's going to be

(18:48):
the Championship round, the finals round. I think it's going
to be the next series between the Thunder and the
Grizzlies and excuse me, the Timberwolves. And that's gonna be,
to me, the definer of what the future of the
NBA holds, because you got SGA going into a game
and a throttle against obviously Anthony Edwards and what he's

(19:13):
bringing to the table. This is more of a campaign for,
to me, that next guard of superstar players to start
emerging within the league. I mean, they're going to start
to replace the names of of the guys that we
have grown to know when we were growing up that
are now really kind of taking their last swan songs

(19:36):
in this league.

Speaker 2 (19:37):
I mean, they can want as much rest as they
possibly can desire, and that's great and all, but that
series Denver and OKC is going seven you can book it.

Speaker 7 (19:48):
Knocks locks?

Speaker 5 (19:55):
Does Brady have Does Brady have one?

Speaker 3 (19:59):
No, As I said, I don't really request stuff like this.
Drop some point, go back all the time. If we're
playing back to.

Speaker 5 (20:06):
That, do it again, do it again? All right?

Speaker 2 (20:10):
Yeah, they can want as much rest as they want
for the Western Conference finals, but tough balls. Their series
with Denver is going seven knocks locks.

Speaker 4 (20:21):
Oh wow, man, there's like a guitar there that I
think they're to you.

Speaker 5 (20:26):
I can guarantee you this game is over in sticks picks.

Speaker 4 (20:33):
Brady, try, I mean, hold on, hold on, hold on,
here's come on, here's no here's the difference.

Speaker 3 (20:41):
I don't have one.

Speaker 7 (20:43):
You do?

Speaker 5 (20:44):
Maybe LeVar.

Speaker 3 (20:46):
LeVar is just is like sticks picks.

Speaker 4 (20:49):
I think Jonas has like I don't know if it's
a guitar in there, then there's all of a sudden
like I think someone's someone's like cocking back on a
nine millimeters or something. It's a lot do a lot there, Jonas.

Speaker 2 (21:03):
Jonas, I mean, I'm telling you right now you can
book it. That series is going seven.

Speaker 7 (21:11):
Knocks locks it.

Speaker 3 (21:16):
Let's lock your doors.

Speaker 5 (21:18):
What it is?

Speaker 4 (21:21):
Yeah, but I don't think it's a gun.

Speaker 3 (21:24):
I think it's I think it's actually a door.

Speaker 2 (21:25):
Being won't you try just to like throw something out there,
see what you see, if there's something that is maybe.

Speaker 3 (21:35):
Get ready for this. Hold on, hold dude.

Speaker 4 (21:37):
I had the hiccups for like a half an hour
right before the show, and I was like, this is
gonna be awful if it goes on air.

Speaker 5 (21:43):
I'm mis thinking.

Speaker 3 (21:44):
Think, Okay, I got one, I got I'm go one.

Speaker 4 (21:46):
Okay, I guarantee you Lee is gonna have to crap
his pants here in the next hour of the show.

Speaker 3 (21:54):
Win swist. Oh, that's that's disappoint.

Speaker 5 (22:02):
That sounded like Lee bunghole.

Speaker 2 (22:04):
Why did you guys do him dirty like that?

Speaker 3 (22:08):
Not Mario.

Speaker 2 (22:09):
There's got to be a better one.

Speaker 5 (22:10):
I mean, that's that's the best bet right now. No
one more tame you, No one more time.

Speaker 3 (22:17):
He's gonna crap his pants in the next hour. I
guarantee him. Quinn wins, wiss man, my man. Even saying
it wing, the imaging isn't speaking. It's like, lo, you
guys get that.

Speaker 4 (22:30):
Oh, Jonas knocks little more Errington, Mine's like Quinn's wins.

Speaker 2 (22:35):
We got that went out to Mario garbage at the
end Man.

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Speaker 2 (22:56):
So we discussed this a little bit yesterday that things
appear like, you know, they're in a little bit of
a rough spot. There was a statement that was released
from Trey Hendrickson to the Cincinnati Bengals or to Adam
Schefter in regards to his conversations with the Cincinnati Bengals
is offseason, and then yesterday Trey Hendrickson's there reporters caught

(23:18):
up with Trey Hendrickson at the Bengals facility and it
went a little something like this.

Speaker 8 (23:24):
A little bit transpired between me and Zach. We've tried
to keep it, at least them out personal as possible,
but at some point in this process it becomes personal.

Speaker 5 (23:33):
You know.

Speaker 8 (23:34):
Being sent thirty days before mandatory camp or however to
any days it is that if I don't show up,
I will be fined alludes to the fact that something
won't get done in that timeframe. With the lack of
communication post draft made it evidently clear from my party
that I had to inform that this might not work out.

(23:54):
I'm a Floridian, So there's unprovoked shark attacks, and there's
provoked shark attacks. The comments that being made, whatever happened
at the combine, whatever happened at the owner's meetings, and
the text I got yesterday. This is not something where
I'm just twiddling my thumbs thinking, oh, how can I
get the next one up. That's what makes this place
so special is that they watch me every day. They

(24:15):
see how hard I work. There's no other organization knows
me better than this one. They see how I carry
myself as a human being, and they know me. So
it stinks when the value somewhere else. Because I was
fortunate enough to have that trade request granted. It gave
me the fortunate circumstance to see my value elsewhere, and

(24:37):
I'm hoping it doesn't come to that. Former players have
walked in these shoes, and what it foreshadows is not
something that I'm excited about to tell my wife and family, like, hey,
this is I'm getting good vibes or should be happy.

Speaker 5 (24:52):
Those comments stink.

Speaker 2 (24:54):
So that's Trey Hendrickson letting it fly yesterday at the
Bengals off season workout.

Speaker 4 (25:01):
Now, I'll put it this way, he's pretty darn articulate
for explaining the situation and his frustrations and why they're
at where they're at, which is more than the Bengals
can say. And I don't know if they've been openly
howardly spoken about this subject. So he's done his part
for two years now. He's been one of the best,

(25:23):
if not one of the most productive sac artists in
the game. And it came down to what the Cincinnati
Bengals prioritized. They prioritize Joe Burrow in the offense, they
get the receiver signed, and we knew that there will
probably be an odd man out. So in this case,
it looks like it may be Trey Hendricksion. It sounds

(25:45):
like with everything he's saying he would like to stay,
there's still a bridge there that they can cross. I
don't know if the Vikings came by and burned it yet,
but it feels like there's still a chance they can
still rectify the contract situation. I mean, Miles Karen don't
want to get traded. He get a new deal. Now,
He's like oh, I'm good. All right, thanks guys.

Speaker 3 (26:06):
I'm sure it can be the same with trade. He
wanted to.

Speaker 4 (26:13):
Yeah two months later, you don't think so he's out
if they've been able to And here's the thing is
that they if they they've been able to shop a trade,
it's complicated because he's going into the last year of
his deal.

Speaker 3 (26:26):
Whatever team trades for him knows he wants.

Speaker 5 (26:28):
A new deal.

Speaker 4 (26:29):
So he's not just having an issue probably or his
agent is having an issue with the Bengals. He's probably
having an issue too with whatever team would propose a trade.
I mean, that's the reality of the situation. No one's
going to trade for him without having a contract in
hand when he gets there, because he doesn't want to
play under this contract.

Speaker 5 (26:49):
I think that's what makes it complicated. That and he's thirty,
which you know, it's weird because again I always say
with edge rusher's like and he plays against a run too,
Like he's not just a He's not just a guy
that gets to the quarterback. He actually is an edge
setter as well. Like he's a he's a complete ball player.

(27:10):
He just is really good at making it look easy
getting to the quarterback. I mean, he does an excellent
job of it. I just don't I don't think thirty
is so old where you don't think you can get
at least three to four years out of him that

(27:32):
are still very productive in what it is that he
specializes in what he does. So I wouldn't be afraid
to pay him. I really wouldn't, because his style of
play fits him having the ability to sustain it for
at least the length of a contract. So if I

(27:53):
gave him a five to six year contract, I'm really
only looking for production in the first three of it.
Thus probably why we're here now, and in the situation
that he's in where he's you know, he's been productive
throughout the most the better part of his his contract.
Now he's at the end of it. Most franchises and

(28:16):
players have the understanding that if you're playing at a
high level, you're probably coming back and you're renegotiating before
the contract runs out, like that's kind of a widely
understood deal. But I will get back to the realities
that exist with this as well, and it's a harsh
reality that goes along with the idea of it being

(28:39):
a little bit complex, that he wants a deal, and
that could be the reason why they're not able to
move them is that he is under contract, so they
can find you, they can manage you to the letter
of the law of the contract that you signed. So

(29:00):
that's the reality here. Like we could say it's harsh,
we could say it's unfair, we could say he's outperformed
his contract. Look at what you know what happened in
Cleveland with Miles Garrett. But the reality of it is
is that if Cincinnati felt as though we gave our
money to the most important positions that we feel that

(29:23):
needed to be signed this offseason, and we're not comfortable
doing another major deal that way, and we'll revisit during
the year or not at all. He can take that personal,
but in reality, what else are you going to do?
You got you got two options, You play or you

(29:46):
set out. That's just two options. And so to me,
while he did articulate well what he's feeling, and he
clearly I think he feels like he's the shark that's
getting agitated. I don't don't think he feels as though
it would be a friendly fire shark attack on his behalf.
I think he feels like the things that are being

(30:06):
said and done. Are are agitating factors where he's fighting
not to make it personal. But I would urge him,
even at thirty years old, I would urge him to
not take it personal and to keep it strictly business.
And if strictly business means that they're not going to

(30:26):
if they're not going to redo your contract, then you
either decide that you're not going to show up until
they do a contract, and that's you got to feel
like you're what you bring to the table as a player.
One you can handle the fines. Two you're you're confident
enough that you can sit out and they're going to
do the deal and you can come back and everything

(30:48):
is going to be okay, or you got to be
prepared to sit I don't feel like there's any other
There's no other recourse to be taken here, and that's
the reality of being under contract.

Speaker 2 (31:01):
He clearly does not want to be anywhere else. He
wants to be there. He wants to be in Cincinnati.
And when he makes the comment that you know when
they're sending me a text or letting me know thirty
days ahead of time, by the way, if you don't
show up, you're going to get fined. His frustration I
took it was I was expecting we were going to
have some dialogue about a new contract. Instead, the only

(31:24):
dialogue I've gotten from you is, oh, by the way,
show up at this point or else you're going to
get fined.

Speaker 5 (31:29):
And the point that the message is regardless of what
we do, because they may want to talk to him
in person, but they haven't. They may want to have
that interaction once he gets there.

Speaker 2 (31:39):
In case, his point is they're not even having the
having the conversation at all, And I can understand why
he'd be pissed off, like I always here that I'm
waiting to hear a discussion about something else, and you're
talking about a fine system. I always show up. He
was there yesterday.

Speaker 5 (31:52):
Well, he's saying that, I'm saying that they said to
be there, So that that immediately says we're honoring the contract.
What we do from wherever we do it from that's
at our discretion. But we're letting you know you are
under contract and as a contracted employee of this organization,
we expect you to be here or you will get fined. Now,

(32:16):
I don't know that that means they're going to find them.
But I think they're going to test the waters now
before you get to training camp. You test the waters
now to see how far is Trey really willing to
test it.

Speaker 4 (32:29):
Let's all understand how this actually works. No one's getting
fined yet, boys, so that doesn't happen until anything's mandatory.
There's nothing until the mandatory OTA or mini camp and
then training camp, so we're really looking into June before
there would be any sort of mandatory fines over that
three day period.

Speaker 3 (32:48):
That's the first thing.

Speaker 4 (32:49):
The second thing is I do understand what Jonas is saying,
and I think that's where you could say, well, this
is business.

Speaker 3 (32:56):
It shouldn't be emotional.

Speaker 4 (32:57):
But come on, like when you're doing what he's done
the past couple of years, which is what's seventeen and
a half sacks last two years? Whoever, it's been seventeen sacks.
I mean, he's outplayed his contract. He's he's scheduled to
make fifteen point eight million this year. You've got other
dudes making forty forty that haven't had as much production

(33:18):
as he's had. So I'm sure the team because this
is how this works too. We've been there, You've heard it.
You might have been told it. I've heard it. Hey man,
you do this, this, this, you know, you get paid,
You get paid.

Speaker 3 (33:31):
Also, you hear coaches say that stuff. You hear all
that garbage.

Speaker 4 (33:35):
He keeps putting in the time, doing everything he was
asked to do, and he's outplayed this contract in a
huge way. You can even make the case the last
you know, a couple of years of it. So it
never really should have come to this because he's far
exceeded their expectations based on what he was paid coming
into this deal and what he's making you know, off

(33:58):
of this, at least for you know, the upcoming year.
So I look at it and just go I understand
his frustration. I think he's using a negotiation tactic to
try to put more public pressure on the Bengals because
they are known as a cheap organization and because of that,
I think it puts more pressure on them to say,
all right, let's let's try to get this done. As

(34:19):
a player, you really don't have any other levers to pull,
you know, you can be present, right, which creates a
distraction for everyone else because they'll just ask. Then the
coaching staff and the front office they ask other players too,
and so it will come to a point where it
becomes such a distraction. And by the way, not in
a bad way. He's not out there like doing things

(34:39):
and wild now and doing whatever else. I mean, he's just,
you know, sincerely stating where he's at, which was there's
nothing wrong with that. So I think this is just
a tactic more than anything else, to put pressure on
the team, a team that has historically drugged its feet.
I wanting to pay players, and in particular, they've paid

(35:00):
guys this year. But he's going to end up being
the odd man out. And you can make the case
he's been more productive than t Higgins. I don't know
that you could say he's been more productivean Jamar Chase.
He's been one of the best receivers in the NFL,
but you could say he's been equally as productive for
his position. And yet he's gonna be the guy that
doesn't get paid.

Speaker 2 (35:17):
And what's the part where he points out, Listen, other
players have walked in these shoes and it doesn't give
me a lot of confidence, is what we were laying out yesterday. Like, man,
they've had a lot of these happened in Cincinnati and
My whole thing on it is if you're a team
and you sign a player to a deal, and they
signed him back in twenty twenty one to this four

(35:39):
year deal, like you're hoping that he lives up to
the contract, and if he lives up to the contract, awesome.
If he exceeds what he's been paid or what the
contract was, I would assume you would want to reward
him further for that. Not only has he done what
they've thought he was going to do, he's been better,

(36:01):
Like his first four years in New Orleans worn't close
to this. He's been better, and he's gotten better every
single year, and he's been more productive every single year
he's been there. And yet there's just no momentum that's
been gained on a deal, Like nothing has come here,
and that's why he's frustrated.

Speaker 5 (36:19):
And I get where you guys are coming from, and
they're very valid points, but I ultimately look at it
like this. He did make it clear, I guess in
his interview as well, that he will not play under
this current contract, Like he's saying I'm not playing.

Speaker 3 (36:37):
You have to say that if.

Speaker 5 (36:38):
That's a game of chicken, then that's a game of chicken.
But so if they call out, if they decide to
take him up on the game of chicken, if he
does indeed prepare himself to sit out, what is the
ultimate what is the ultimate end of that? Like, Okay,
his contract runs out, which I believe if you set

(37:01):
out your contract, doesn't it doesn't like go away right
like you get that. Do they get that year back?
It doesn't not.

Speaker 4 (37:10):
It's not considered a vest in season, so the contract
would just told to the following year. In this case,
you'd assume that they trade him or.

Speaker 5 (37:18):
They release him.

Speaker 3 (37:19):
I mean, there's there's really not much of a point.

Speaker 4 (37:22):
If the guy isn't happy, I'm not going to play
for you, you might as well get what you can
for him.

Speaker 3 (37:26):
Like he's not getting any younger.

Speaker 4 (37:28):
There's teams that have needs off the edge. There's someone
who'd give up future draft compensation for him and willing
to sign him to a contract that does appease him.

Speaker 3 (37:36):
So I look, he either.

Speaker 4 (37:37):
Places with the Bengals this year they figure this out,
or he'll get traded.

Speaker 3 (37:41):
There's no way to go under.

Speaker 5 (37:42):
It gets that's but again, if you take the complications
of what you're saying in terms of getting a contract.
He's going to want a contract done wherever it is
he goes. What does that team want to do that
he's going to go to And there may be two
years a guaranties, it could be, it could be he's
New England, New England still a thing.

Speaker 4 (38:05):
I would guess he'll make somewhere in the ballpark A
seventy million guaranteed. He'll probably average about thirty five million
per year, thirty million somewhere in that ballpark per year
in his contract, which is fair like he'd be doubling
what he's scheduled to make now, and he's easily I.

Speaker 5 (38:18):
Don't think justify that he's not going to do that.
I just don't think so.

Speaker 3 (38:22):
Well, I don't know if they have the cash all
to do it.

Speaker 5 (38:24):
So I don't think they're going to do it. And
so he has to be willing if he's what he's
saying is true, and that's not just that tongue in cheese.

Speaker 3 (38:32):
Is that a stick?

Speaker 5 (38:36):
Here's the sticks pick right here. If they do not
pay him, that's sum of money that will fall in
the range of what he's market price. You know, you know,
I guess earned that market value. If they do no,
let me rephrase this. They will not pay him his

(38:58):
market value, and and and then we have to figure
out what Hendrickson is going to do. But it will
be with the Cincinnati Bengals or at his house that
is sticks picks, Yes, it's home or sensey. That's my
that's my thought.

Speaker 2 (39:18):
On you know, I'd love to see, you know, I
would love to see it's not going to happen. I
would love to see happen. If Cincinnati doesn't think he's
worth what the market says a player of his credentials
is worth, trade him in the division, trade him to Baltimore,
Center to Baltimore. If he's not worth it, Centaer to Baltimore,
and have to deal with.

Speaker 5 (39:35):
Him after an outside guy, the edge guy, and they
have edge guys, but he's not. They're not going to
pay that for him.

Speaker 2 (39:42):
He's clearly earned the deal. They're just yeah, you know, whatever.

Speaker 5 (39:49):
Pay They don't want to pay t. J. Watt in Pittsburgh,
you know, so there's you know, I mean, that's the
only team that would really make sense is bold More,
I guess, or Pittsburgh. But that's it's not that big
of a need with one of those teams. Again, I
think the most intriguing because Rabel made it a thing

(40:10):
like we'll take TJ. Watt. I mean, Trey Hendrickson is
is up top in that category. I mean, I wouldn't
say he's not on the level of a TJ. Watt
at this point.

Speaker 2 (40:23):
Pretty so pretty durable too, doesn't have any back issues
or anything.

Speaker 5 (40:26):
It's good, all right, So I mean, but is that
what is that what a team out there will want
to do? And who's going to do that? What team
right now? Which is funny because him and TJ are
the same, they're the same age, they're both thirty, so
you're talking about two premiere edge rushers edged guys who

(40:48):
are difference makers for their team. It's really ridiculous that
Cincinnati would do this because you just lost your other
defensive end to retirement and this is your your freaking staple,
foundational you know, leader and player on your defense and

(41:08):
probably your team. He's probably seems like the type of
guy that's a leader on the team as well. They
should they should tea him in this situation.

Speaker 2 (41:17):
Man, they should have let t Higgins walk. Like, if
you got to pick two of the three, you pay
your best receiver and your best defensive player. And then
T Higgins. Sorry, man, like we can get another wide
receiver in the draft.

Speaker 5 (41:29):
You're not going to outscore.

Speaker 4 (41:31):
The thing is is it was a pretty economical deal
and and if you look at what they did in
the draft, they.

Speaker 3 (41:38):
Didn't sign anyone.

Speaker 4 (41:40):
They signed free agents, they didn't draft anyone though, So
they made that decision.

Speaker 3 (41:44):
We're like, we're good.

Speaker 4 (41:45):
We We've got Jamar, We've got T Higgins, We've got
some complimentary pieces. You know, they obviously spend draft picks
on Jermaine Burton, Charlie Jones in recent years. It was
a yesheva is he pronounced his last name?

Speaker 2 (41:58):
Uh e of us? Oh gods, screwing that up?

Speaker 3 (42:04):
I think.

Speaker 5 (42:06):
I don't know.

Speaker 3 (42:07):
Yeah, that dude, they got him too. He should he
should They.

Speaker 5 (42:11):
Got that dude.

Speaker 2 (42:12):
Apologies. He's talented, by the way, I'll be honest with
you too.

Speaker 4 (42:16):
What's what's actually a shame about this group is between
MIKEASICKI drew sample and they drafted Eric All in the
fourth round. All four of those guys are are capable
pass catching God ends. It's it's actually kind of funny,
like they're not going to be focused on quite as much,
only because you've got two guys you're paying on the outside.

Speaker 2 (42:36):
So m hmm, Yeah, I don't know.

Speaker 5 (42:40):
Man, If you don't have Hendrickson on that defense, it's
going to look drastically different than what it's looked in
years past. And by the way, they weren't very good
last year.

Speaker 2 (42:53):
Yo. By the way, yosh, is the pronunciation.

Speaker 3 (42:59):
Anywhere close to that? I wasn't. No, neither was I.

Speaker 2 (43:02):
Yeah, we both butchered that, Lee, Can you clean that
up in the podcast?

Speaker 3 (43:05):
Lee?

Speaker 4 (43:06):
Actually, speaking of cleaning of the podcast, I did notice
you cleaned up some things that involved you.

Speaker 3 (43:11):
In Ray Ray there yesterday, not being on your toes.

Speaker 4 (43:16):
I was gonna ask, though, could you go back and
give us the pronunciations for what we said, like how
we just said that. I want to see how far
off we were.

Speaker 2 (43:24):
Yeah, if you want to play that, can you.

Speaker 4 (43:27):
Can you play back our attempt at Yoshi vas Yes,
I want to see how far off we were.

Speaker 2 (43:35):
Damn, that was brutal. I said it exactly. That was
spelled for what it's worth.

Speaker 3 (43:43):
Yeah, you're trying, you're working on phanatics. Is that possibly?
I'm not getting anything from you?

Speaker 5 (43:48):
Here?

Speaker 2 (43:48):
He goes he's getting close. This is this is bad,
this is rough. Okay, I think we got it all right,
all right?

Speaker 3 (44:02):
Last was a Yeshova? Does he pronounced his last.

Speaker 2 (44:04):
Name of osscrowing that up?

Speaker 3 (44:11):
Thinks?

Speaker 2 (44:13):
I don't know?

Speaker 7 (44:14):
Yeah, that dude.

Speaker 4 (44:15):
They got him too, by the way, it was yo.

Speaker 3 (44:24):
By the way, you didn't even really sound out the letters.
I don't know what. I don't know what, Like where
did I? It'd be more like vas if you tried
to say.

Speaker 2 (44:33):
Yeah, I don't know, I don't know where I pulled
that from. That was That's unfortunate. Our apologies, Andrea, Our apologies.
I have no disrespect. Good player, yep, good player with
no back issues, which is important.

Speaker 3 (44:47):
No, none at all, none at all.

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LA Sports Fox College football analyst Pee what's happening?

Speaker 3 (45:15):
Good morning, Good morning to everybody.

Speaker 9 (45:17):
Hello, good morning, Hello, Hello little rough was I was
up late last night? Why I spoke at the Well,
this is pretty local, but your listeners are pretty your
great national listeners are always very gracious when it comes
to me talking about hyper local stuff here in southern California.

Speaker 3 (45:39):
But they opened a surf club.

Speaker 9 (45:42):
In the Hondo Beach nice and a friend of mine
opened it. He's the same guy behind Beach Life. It's
not really like a place where you go to surf.
It's like a club with a restaurant and like a
balker and like all kinds of places to hang out.

Speaker 3 (45:58):
And it's all right, well it's a membership thing.

Speaker 2 (46:04):
It's not my club.

Speaker 9 (46:07):
Well, last night I was asked to It just opened
with Beach Life and it's on the Beach Life grounds
where they do the concert in Redondo Beach. And I
was last night. There's like a speaking series and I
interviewed the guy from Pennywise, Jim Lindbergh.

Speaker 7 (46:27):
Cool.

Speaker 9 (46:27):
Yeah, very interesting guy and a big part of the
South Bay kind of you know what, it's kind of interesting.

Speaker 3 (46:34):
Their band was a local band of.

Speaker 9 (46:35):
Guys that grew up you know in the area together
surfing and skateboarding and stuff. And around the time that
they got started, you know, somebody like Tony Hawk put
them on a skateboard video and then as Kelly Slater had.

Speaker 3 (46:51):
Them in like a surf video.

Speaker 9 (46:53):
We're talking about like late early nineties, and next thing
you know, people in Australia are singing songs about South
Bay surf culture in southern California. So it was interesting
and it was it was a long night. The only
club I've ever been in is, to answer your question, LeVar,
is the Elks. You're always welcome to come to the

(47:14):
Elks with me. This club, I work at the Surf
Club there. Yes, I'm sorry, go ahead, that's one of.

Speaker 2 (47:20):
Us updoing nice, Okay, I mean listen, it sounds fun.

Speaker 3 (47:25):
Well no, no, no, I was I was gonna ask him,
did you surf? Like, do you grow up surfing?

Speaker 9 (47:29):
Well, I mean, if you're from here, you kind of
you know, you end up having you know, your summer
or two at the beach. You know, my father was
a big surfer. I always have had a very healthy
fear of the sea. Uh, there's a lot of you know,
it's kind of like throwing the football. There's a lot
of bad things that can happen in the ocean, you know,

(47:51):
with football. You know there's like what where they say
throwing the football. You know, a lot of things can happen,
most of them are bad. Yeah, it's the same with
going into the sea. I mean, if you think about it,
you know, and it's not your environment. You know, people
go into the ocean and worry about sharks. It's like, yeah, well,
you know, I mean it's like going into the sky
and worrying about clouds. It's like, yeah, that's where they live.

(48:14):
You know, this is a shark infested water infested That's
it's like saying, you know, LA's infested with people.

Speaker 2 (48:23):
The ocean's even got UFOs now too.

Speaker 9 (48:26):
Yeah, well, you can be eaten by a shark, swallowed
or like punctured by like a bottle nosed dolphin, punched
in the ribs, toxic shock of course, you know, drowning, hypothermia.
I mean, there are so many terrible things that can
happen to you in the ocean.

Speaker 3 (48:42):
But I did have my.

Speaker 9 (48:44):
Summer or two going down to the ocean because just
because you know, to look at the girls when you're
in you know, thirteen or.

Speaker 3 (48:50):
Fourteen, but my father was a big surfer.

Speaker 9 (48:53):
I never quite really graduated to that board, but I
was a great sponger in my time. Just the bodyboard,
oh yeah, yeah, Max seven seven morey boogie. Then you
were flips, yes, the church Hill fins, the ones that
were half blue and half yellow and if you put

(49:14):
them together it looks like a dolphin's fluke.

Speaker 2 (49:17):
Now what was your h what was your beachware of Troy?
Were you an op guy? Uh?

Speaker 9 (49:23):
No, I mean back in my time it was Quicksilver
and Bella Bunk and all those businesses.

Speaker 3 (49:29):
Well there.

Speaker 9 (49:29):
I don't think they're out of business, but they've certainly
closed most of their retail stores.

Speaker 3 (49:33):
I wore follow.

Speaker 5 (49:35):
I was the op shorts guy. And tank tops yeah
wore yeah. Ocean Pacific, yes, yea, even in Pittsburgh. I
wore them growing up at times in the summer.

Speaker 3 (49:47):
Well, we have what's it? Yes? Please?

Speaker 5 (49:50):
Can I can?

Speaker 3 (49:51):
I ask you? It's an interview?

Speaker 5 (49:54):
You know what You're right? It isn't and we're interviewing you,
and which is really cool. What's your what's your takeaways
right now from all of the is it fallout from
what took place with the Lakers in the playoffs and
then Dallas getting the first first pick. Oh yeah, in

(50:17):
the NBA draft. How do you I mean you see
the correlation? Do you do you think that it's fixed
now or you know how you feel about it?

Speaker 9 (50:25):
Well, I think that we all just kind of live
in this conspiracy theory world, and a lot of the
conspiracy theories that we've been told over the years that
are conspiracy theories.

Speaker 3 (50:36):
Like UFOs and the sea happened to be true. So
it's uh.

Speaker 9 (50:42):
It was a difficult thing. We had it on air,
so we covered it live and when it happened in
the moment, I mean, it's such an awkward event, right
that there's nothing more awkward than the draft lottery. When
they asked Hakem a question and he was like, yeah.

Speaker 3 (51:03):
Just look at all. So we watched that.

Speaker 9 (51:05):
Whole thing live and uh, yeah, it's hard to accept, right,
I mean, you wonder when the other shoe was going
to drop and why Dallas would do such a thing,
and then I guess you kind of get.

Speaker 3 (51:19):
Your answer a little bit later.

Speaker 9 (51:22):
I believe we talked about it yesterday on the air,
and the last time this happened when the league did
something to appease Lebron, which was get Anthony Davis to
the Lakers, who miraculously got the first pick in the
draft that very next that very next draft, it was
the New Orleans Pelicans and they got zioned. So it's, uh,

(51:42):
it's curious, LeVar, It's it's I don't think the NBA
has a great deal of integrity when it comes to this.
This feels like a call that the vampire made. Now
that being said, and by vampire, I mean Adam Silver upted.
That being said, I do think, I do think that

(52:04):
we have such a short attention span as a sports
media and a society that everybody stands up and screams
like it's rigged and points their finger, their knobby finger
and all that, and then you know, the next day we're.

Speaker 3 (52:17):
On to the next you know what's going on, what's
with Belichick?

Speaker 9 (52:20):
You know? I mean, so we have such a short
attention span. But yeah, I mean, just percentage wise, it
doesn't seem to work out. There's all kinds of ways
that they can massage this. We all know about the
conspiracy theories about the New York Knicks and Patrick Ewing,
So I guess to answer your question. It felt a

(52:41):
lot like that. I'm not sure how much people really
care unless you're, you know, within the San Antonio Spurs
organization or something. But they got their windfall a couple
of years back with Victor Win Banyana so Yama. So yeah,
it's there's no doubt that everybody feels like it's rigged.

(53:01):
It's hard not to. But at the same time, what
are you going to do? Storm the castle and try
to stick a steak in the vampire's heart.

Speaker 3 (53:09):
That's not gonna be easy.

Speaker 4 (53:17):
When we hear the news of Michael Jordan joining NBC,
do you wonder, like why now at this point is
our stage in his life?

Speaker 9 (53:25):
I could just see like every comment he makes right like,
you know, hey, Michael, what did you think about the
first half from Shaye Gilgess Alexander And he made two
or three shots and I took that personally, you know,
you know, it's I mean, I think about Joe Montana,

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these guys, you know, the all time greats.

Speaker 3 (53:52):
You know.

Speaker 9 (53:52):
Tom Brady of course, is a big topic, and he's
developing as a broadcaster on the highest, highest, highest possible
level that you can develop up as a broadcaster, which
is not easy. But I think about those guys and
they weren't very good, you know, like you know, I mean,
Joe Montana was not good, yet he was arguably the

(54:14):
greatest football player of all time. So yeah, I don't know,
it'll be interesting. What's your theory, Brady, Well, this.

Speaker 4 (54:22):
Is why I wanted to ask you this, really, I
was hoping that you would maybe segue into this naturally.

Speaker 3 (54:27):
But we'll get there together.

Speaker 4 (54:29):
Lebron James as what one more year? We know he's
not gonna opt out all that two more Okay. Something
tells me he's not going to.

Speaker 3 (54:39):
Go off quietly into the night when he's done.

Speaker 4 (54:41):
Something tells me he'd want to maybe join one of
these bigger networks and potentially be a part of the
conversation about where the game's at. And there's a thought
in the back of my mind that if you're Michael Jordan,
he's been successful every single thing he's done, why not
get a jump on that where there's not like, there's
not a division, I don't think And who we feel

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like the goat is it's kind of one voice who's
kind of setting the table, no different than Wayne Gretzky,
who obviously is a part of a lot of the
hockey coverage and Tom Brady, as you kind of mentioned,
there's just some sort of authoritative voice hearing those guys,
and I think it especially when you hear Michael Jordan
compared to Lebron in my pale in comparison, right.

Speaker 3 (55:24):
I think it'll be interesting.

Speaker 9 (55:26):
And yeah, like I don't think Lebron's gonna do I
don't think Lebron's gonna go quietly into the night.

Speaker 3 (55:33):
This week, Brady, like he's gonna do something.

Speaker 9 (55:36):
You know, they always have something some tweet, some emoji,
some comment on some podcast, some floated media idea about
what Lebron is interested into one of his people through
Clutch Sports. Lebron's not gonna go quietly this week. But
I do have a more pragmatic answer I think to

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why the quote unquote goat voice has really kind of
become part of our athletic pantheon as far as hiring
these guys and giving them broadcast jobs.

Speaker 3 (56:10):
I am characterizing that correctly, am I not? Yeah, just
like I was writing about the Black Leprechaun.

Speaker 9 (56:18):
But a I think what's happened Brady is you don't
make ten thousand.

Speaker 3 (56:24):
Dollars a football game anymore or whatever.

Speaker 9 (56:27):
If you're you know, Michael Jordan or Tom Brady on air,
you're making money that is comparable to money that you
would have made when you played, if not more so
if you're Tom Brady's agent, or Michael Jordan's agent, or
Wayne Gretzky's agent, and you know, like for Gretzky and stuff,

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you're just collecting money for speaking appearances or whatever you're booking.

Speaker 3 (56:54):
And you can book this.

Speaker 9 (56:55):
Guy for a you know, eighty million dollar or whatever
the hell deal h and make your percentage. Like the
guy is still out there playing, but all he's doing
is being like, hey, nice shot.

Speaker 3 (57:06):
Uh, that's that's uh.

Speaker 9 (57:10):
You know, that's a that's a windfall, and not just
for the athlete. I mean, how much more money is
Michael Jordan gonna need. I mean, I know the older
son is in coch rehab a few times, but I mean,
I'm pretty sure he can afford it. Damn what I mean.
I'm just saying, we catch Michael Jordan's kid with a
coke spoon, and everybody gets all upset. We catch three
of the leaders of the free world with a cokespoon

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and everybody.

Speaker 3 (57:32):
Denies that is that? What is that? What that was?
It was a bag of cocaine like a dime bag,
and then it spoon. It was more than a dime
I oh, do you think it was Special K?

Speaker 5 (57:45):
I don't know.

Speaker 2 (57:46):
That's that's what one of them.

Speaker 9 (57:47):
I mean, I'm no stranger, but they both they both
have a similar ingestion procedures.

Speaker 4 (57:54):
Is it offensive offensive to call someone special K? Because
I think I actually used to call a guy special Okay,
I don't think he.

Speaker 5 (58:00):
Liked it very much though.

Speaker 3 (58:03):
He was a special act.

Speaker 4 (58:05):
No, no, no, no, I just used to call him
a special K like you know he was. He was
old enough to be like a young kids now don't
know what that drug even is, Curtis, what was it was?

Speaker 3 (58:17):
Ken? Oh?

Speaker 5 (58:18):
There you go?

Speaker 3 (58:19):
Well uh k Is?

Speaker 9 (58:21):
Uh wasn't it a wasn't it a cereal for chicks?

Speaker 5 (58:26):
Yes? It was?

Speaker 3 (58:27):
And then the.

Speaker 9 (58:27):
Commercial the hot chick would get out of the pool
and the bend in her legs would look like a
K and then it would morph into the logo and
a rooster.

Speaker 5 (58:38):
Right.

Speaker 9 (58:39):
Yeah, but special K, I believe is part of Kennemine
is like a horse tranquilizer Yeah, very popular drug in
the gay and club community.

Speaker 6 (58:48):
Uh.

Speaker 9 (58:48):
It could have been special k, but it just looked
like some classical.

Speaker 3 (58:52):
Yeah to me, brother.

Speaker 10 (58:57):
Uh yeah, so you mentioned him, you mentioned him briefly earlier.

Speaker 2 (59:10):
But what do you make of the coverage of Bill
Belichick's love life? And have you've seen a college football
coach's love life?

Speaker 3 (59:20):
Uh, it's just really weird.

Speaker 2 (59:21):
Be discussed as much as it has been over the
past several weeks.

Speaker 3 (59:25):
Well, it's not just a.

Speaker 9 (59:26):
College football coach, right, you know we're not talking about
you know, Brennan Mary and the head coach at Sacramento State.
Stingers up, let's go Hornets. Sacks South souck up. Yeah,
sack up, sack up. That's what the Oakland A's are
playing right now.

Speaker 3 (59:44):
Hell yeah they are.

Speaker 9 (59:45):
SAO. I heard there's some good wine country out there.
Is that true in northern California? Yeah?

Speaker 3 (59:52):
Not wine country?

Speaker 4 (59:54):
God damn right? In that around Sacramento.

Speaker 9 (01:00:00):
Then there's a great deal of well there's Sonoma too,
but there's a there's a great deal of gang activity
around Sacramento, one of the toughest.

Speaker 4 (01:00:11):
There's wine gangs around Sacramento. Yeah, dude, the Gerverts demeanors versus.

Speaker 5 (01:00:16):
Them, or those.

Speaker 4 (01:00:18):
Thestlings versus thelss are known for their drive by shootings around.

Speaker 3 (01:00:24):
Hey, hey, do stuffies a white Zin.

Speaker 9 (01:00:26):
The Wrestlings will leave like an obia, like a voodoo
fetish on your like mark for death, and then they'll
come back. There's a lot of those weird bitch wine
gangs too, like the Boonze Farm Wine.

Speaker 3 (01:00:42):
They were all pink cross colors. Hey, you're you tripping
out here? Hey you're you're a white Zin? You lost essay? Yeah,
what's up?

Speaker 5 (01:00:50):
Bro?

Speaker 9 (01:00:50):
Why aren't you with your boy Matt Leiner, white Zin,
drinker of record essay.

Speaker 3 (01:00:57):
Coming out?

Speaker 7 (01:01:01):
Uh?

Speaker 9 (01:01:02):
So what what you thought you could do that? And
the Sauvignon blocs were going to respond, you know, Savignon
blocks in the house, you bitch.

Speaker 11 (01:01:13):
So the Belichick coverage, one of the great fights in
the history of gangs in Sacramento was right behind Sutter's Fort.

Speaker 9 (01:01:24):
You know, uh, the same guy that had the mill
where they discovered the gold and it was tough man.
It was two homeless gangs, the Thunderbirds versus the Night Trade.

Speaker 3 (01:01:35):
When you're homeless, you've got actual homeless wine. Well no,
but you have wines. I mean I worked.

Speaker 9 (01:01:42):
I worked at a liquor warehouse and our specialty was
homeless homeless drinks.

Speaker 4 (01:01:49):
The lap our producer have a lot in common. Probably
he knows a lot about liquor stores and homeless Oh,
you guys are related.

Speaker 3 (01:01:53):
Well, it hasn't gotten to uh, it hasn't gotten that
bad for Lee yet. Right where he's got you where.

Speaker 9 (01:02:01):
He's walking alongside the railroad tracks with his sweet cherry Watt.

Speaker 2 (01:02:05):
Yeah, yeah, it's Wednesday.

Speaker 5 (01:02:08):
It's that far down the road.

Speaker 7 (01:02:09):
Now.

Speaker 3 (01:02:10):
The Belichick, the Belichick stuff is interesting.

Speaker 9 (01:02:14):
Uh uh, I don't understand, like the like I know
that there's a few like death spasm favors from the
media that he called in I forget who it was
on ESPN that wrote like, hey, let's call him.

Speaker 3 (01:02:28):
Down about Bell's girlfriend. You know, guys, there's a reason
that and I know it changed.

Speaker 9 (01:02:36):
You know, Dana Holderson was divorced and and uh, you
have single college football coaches ed ed Ojaron got divorced
and had his girlfriend carry and stretch zones in the
walk through. Uh his last year at LSU. I'm sure
there's a lot of stories about that. Uh. You know,
these are all things that happened. But you know when

(01:02:57):
we were playing if the if the call it's football
coach wasn't married, you know, uh, they weren't really head
coach material.

Speaker 3 (01:03:08):
It was used against them. It was almost like a poulticious.

Speaker 4 (01:03:11):
Note, right right, you know they they you're like, oh,
you kill your son, go play for him that he's
not a married man.

Speaker 9 (01:03:16):
Yeah, as opposed to like, you know, young bo is
gonna love it here and uh you know, uh Fayetteville.
He can come to Thanksgiving and me and Marsha's house,
you know, like you know, that's the we're family, you know,
that whole thing. And then you look in the media
guide and every coach has their whole family pictured, you know,

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in the back of the media guide, and everybody's staring
at the coach's.

Speaker 5 (01:03:40):
You know, they still do that at football facilities, like
they have pictures of the family on the door, like
outside of the coaches that.

Speaker 3 (01:03:52):
They left to go coach going to see the beginning.

Speaker 9 (01:03:56):
I am spending my time recruiting and negotiating with fourteen
year olds and these are the people who are emotionally.

Speaker 3 (01:04:01):
Damaged because of my gla.

Speaker 9 (01:04:06):
Okay, but that is not as it's prevalent, you know,
especially you know outside of outside of the big cities,
it's still prevalent. But like the whole the coach needs
to be a family man is not exactly as big
of a thing as it was when we were younger.

Speaker 3 (01:04:24):
Right, So, But then Belichick is really testing.

Speaker 4 (01:04:31):
How many single how many single college head coaches can
you think of?

Speaker 3 (01:04:35):
Uh?

Speaker 9 (01:04:36):
Well, I can think of you know, Sark and Kate
Laine and Sark recently.

Speaker 3 (01:04:42):
Yeah, na were single for years and years and years,
you know, or I.

Speaker 4 (01:04:46):
Thought, well you had a girlfriend or whatever.

Speaker 9 (01:04:49):
He got divorced pretty quickly after the USC stuff, but
or during that whatever.

Speaker 3 (01:04:54):
What I'm saying is Holgerson was divorced. That was a thing. Uh,
there's been a few.

Speaker 2 (01:05:03):
I mean it's early rich Trod didn't know was there
something with him?

Speaker 9 (01:05:07):
Well he had yeah, he went well no, I don't
think he got divorced, but there was a there was
an affair in Arizona. I mean, coaches are human and
they have terrible problems, just like the rest of us.
But uh, but I I'm I'm blanking a little bit.
But I don't think it's as prevalent. It's not like
the anti recruiting tool that it used to be.

Speaker 2 (01:05:30):
I mean, Rick Patino had you know, his moments as well.

Speaker 3 (01:05:33):
Yeah, yeah, just you know an Italian restaurant.

Speaker 2 (01:05:39):
Yeahs, a bottle of red, a bottle of white.

Speaker 5 (01:05:45):
There go those wine gangs again. Huh, pop up on.

Speaker 3 (01:05:49):
It's really much.

Speaker 9 (01:05:50):
One I called the craziest football game in high school
that I've ever called. It was a state championship and
it was really the most and this I'm saying a
lot by saying, I believe it was the most inner
city style beat up high school that I've ever seen.

(01:06:12):
And it was not you know, a LA High School.
Wasn't Crenshaw, you know, we're not. Everybody's helmets matched. Was
Joe Clark there, Principal Joe. It was Grant High, my
white students. It was the Grant High Pacers of Sacramento.
And I think if you look it up you'll find

(01:06:33):
quite a few pro football players, or at least some
that were there. But that they played against Long Beach
Polly in a state championship game that I called. And
Grant High they had Booker, that running back that was
at Utah that ended up at Denver. Remember that game.
But I'll never forget it. Grant High didn't have a

(01:06:55):
punter or a kicker.

Speaker 3 (01:06:58):
I mean they didn't. It was like a video game.

Speaker 9 (01:06:59):
They didn't or kick and they're in the state championship
and they beat Long Beach Polly longtime, very talented football powerhouse.
And of course there was a wild fistfight right on
the fifty after the game between the fan bases. But
speaking of Sacramento, I think that was the most like
down trodden but talented football team I ever saw. And

(01:07:22):
they didn't even have a kicking game and they still won.
And the Grant High pacer mascot was a kid in
the saddest ass horse outfit I have ever seen it.

Speaker 3 (01:07:33):
God bless Grant High with a bulletproof vest on.

Speaker 4 (01:07:40):
Who's uh you mentioned the coach there? Who's the guy
financing Sex States?

Speaker 3 (01:07:44):
And they get like fifty new players.

Speaker 9 (01:07:46):
Yeah, there's somebody. There's somebody there pushing it right. I
don't know who the guy is. It must be count Sacramento,
But yeah, Sacramento State's making a push to try to
because you know, there's a void as far as up north.
I mean you have Fresno, which is sort of in
the middle. San Jose which is San Jose. Stanford, Well,

(01:08:10):
they're in the ACC, you know, I know, but you know,
somebody's got to play locally out here, and then I.

Speaker 7 (01:08:16):
Can do that.

Speaker 3 (01:08:16):
You're can do the whole Stafford Okay, yeah.

Speaker 9 (01:08:21):
And Stanford doesn't. They're not really a local team anyway,
even when they were in the PAC ten and twelve,
it's not like they have a fan base in the area.
Stanford doesn't want a fan base. They want to reject,
you know, all of those college football norms. But somebody's
funding Sacramento State, like you know, like a T Boone
Pickens or Phil Knight or like the way Liberty University

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is funded.

Speaker 3 (01:08:45):
So that's great.

Speaker 9 (01:08:45):
I hope they end up in the new PAC twelve
and do battle with the Beeves Hornets Beeves.

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Speaker 3 (01:09:10):
At what point do we call this a one hit wonder.

Speaker 2 (01:09:14):
I think we're there.

Speaker 9 (01:09:17):
I think so, you know, think he's gonna pop up
ten years later like Shade with another number one.

Speaker 3 (01:09:25):
Love You. There is against it.