May 28, 2025 • 56 mins
Wednesday on 2 Pros and a Cup of Joe, Tyrese Haliburton delivers another playoff performance for the ages. Is there a secret team in the mix for Kirk Cousins? And The Old P, Petros Papadakis believes there is no argument to cancel or move the Notre Dame/USC rivalry.
See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.
Mark as Played
Transcript
Episode Transcript
Available transcripts are automatically generated. Complete accuracy is not guaranteed.
Speaker 1 (00:01):
This is the best of two pros and a couple
Joe with Lamar arings and rating win and Jonas Knox
on radio.
Speaker 2 (00:13):
Of course, we will start with what happened last night
in Indianapolis where the Pacers rebound from whatever the hell
you called that in the second half in Game three
and make a little bit of a statement. And Tyrese
Halliburton is having the playoffs of all playoffs that I
can recall for an Indiana pacer outside of Reggie Miller,
(00:35):
Like he's been fantastic and incredible. Last night was really
his time to show. Like everyone's going to go back
to the choking gesture and the shot that went in
in Game one of this series, but last night was
an all around masterclass by Halliburn.
Speaker 3 (00:49):
Yeah, I mean historic right him?
Speaker 4 (00:52):
Jokich was it like Oscar Robinson the only two other
players we've seen in India history do what he was
able to do last night, And felt like time the
Knicks started to build some momentum, he was able to
stop it. He was able to kind of put a
squash to it. So to me, it looked like a
championship performance. You know that the type that I can
player willing his team to get to the NBA Finals,
(01:14):
you know, maybe even continuing this run you're talking about
to help them win the NBA Finals. But hell of
a performance last night by uh Tyry Saliburton and just
you know again the dad back in the house and
maybe that did it.
Speaker 3 (01:26):
Yeah, maybe that that did to some.
Speaker 4 (01:28):
Degree with the pops back in the house set a game,
Bridge field House able to watch it.
Speaker 2 (01:34):
So I thought it was Kinsekoie the game is remember that?
Speaker 5 (01:41):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (01:41):
I don't.
Speaker 2 (01:42):
But you don't remember that. He used to be called
the field House back in the day the Pacers. Yeah, really,
I did not remember that. Yeah, something like that. It's
like rich Stadium to remember it. Joe Robbie, I don't know.
Speaker 3 (01:55):
Can we have Lee looked at up? After a text
from Lee yesterday, I'm not sure he'd be capable of
much to that.
Speaker 2 (02:03):
He's like, unbelievable. It's Taco Tuesdays, man, Uh var is
it over for the Knicks? Is the Undertaker calling it?
Speaker 5 (02:17):
Uh?
Speaker 3 (02:17):
It is over?
Speaker 6 (02:18):
The series is over. It'll in in New York. But uh,
I just again, I just thought that the pace of
the game was too much for the Knicks. You know,
I never really paid attention to Karl Anthony Towns outside
of him shooting the threes. But I started watching how
(02:39):
he runs up and down the court. He doesn't move
very well.
Speaker 5 (02:42):
Man.
Speaker 6 (02:42):
I don't know if he's sore. I know he hurt
his knees of big games in the game or whatever.
He don't move very well. Man.
Speaker 3 (02:49):
Like I get, I get that he's tall and he's big,
but he don't move well.
Speaker 6 (02:54):
It's almost like he can barely run up and down
the court more than one time before he gets like
tired or just can't.
Speaker 3 (03:03):
He just stops. I don't know.
Speaker 6 (03:05):
I was just paying attention to like I was noticing that.
I was like, that's pretty interesting. It almost creates a
five on four advantage for Indiana almost every single time
they're down on offense. And then I was paying attention like, Okay,
you know they're bigs, just don't they don't get back
(03:28):
very fast.
Speaker 3 (03:29):
And I don't know, it's just a lot of.
Speaker 6 (03:32):
Open shots there were, There were a lot of there
were a lot of missed opportunities for the Knicks because
they couldn't keep up with the pace of the Pacers.
Speaker 3 (03:44):
It was just way too fast for them.
Speaker 6 (03:47):
It caused it caused dress with Nie Smith and the
way he was staying in front of Brunson. Brunson wasn't
able to facilitate the way that he usually facilitates. It
kind of sounds like a replay of the OKC Timberwolves game.
And they made a lot of mistakes that a lot
of costly turnovers.
Speaker 3 (04:09):
I mean, the start of.
Speaker 6 (04:10):
The third quarter was just horrible for the next you know,
they had no real continuity. They couldn't settle into, you know,
getting into the flow of the second half. They turned
the ball over I want to say, like two or
three times in their first possessions coming into the third quarter.
(04:31):
It was a very that was to me, the quarter
that kind of made it made it bad.
Speaker 3 (04:38):
Now.
Speaker 6 (04:38):
I know they came back and I know that they
you know, got to a point of where it turned
into a game, but it just seemed like the speed,
the pace, the intensity of the defense forced them into
two mistakes turning the ball over, and then it led
to ultimately them being able to get down court and
(05:01):
the New York Knicks weren't at full strength on that
side of the ball. When they were, they weren't closing
out on defense as well as they should have. Indiana
moved the ball very well and it ended up being
the opportunities for for open shots and they made them,
and Halliburton was was giving them a nice blend. You know,
(05:25):
they were going into the paint, they were making shots
from the outside, so they look pretty good. I don't
I don't, you know, I still think, you know, I
don't know if it's going to be a good, good
final series. I don't know. It could be or it
could not be. It could be OKAC. But the Pacers show,
(05:49):
they show that they have maybe the ability to keep
up with the OKC team both defensively and and speed
and pace.
Speaker 3 (05:58):
Of the game. So maybe it'll be a good series.
Speaker 6 (06:00):
But but as far as this one, the Knicks had
their chance and they they blew it terribly last evening.
Speaker 3 (06:07):
You know, it is what it is.
Speaker 2 (06:08):
When you saw the scores being what they were at halftime,
you knew the Knicks couldn't keep that pace up. They
just couldn't. Indiana can go like that's that's their style
of play. But even though the Knicks kept it close,
you knew eventually it was just gonna wear him down.
Karl Anthony Towns went down with the knee. He collided knees,
I believe with Nie Smith, uh in the fourth quarter.
(06:30):
So he's got a ironic around that. Yeah, it is
kind of ironic.
Speaker 4 (06:33):
And Smith and he smith that knee right. Send those
sassy passes anymore, No.
Speaker 2 (06:40):
He couldn't, but says speaking of sassy Tyrese Haliburton spoke
afterwards about his performance and rebounding following a disappointing Game three.
Speaker 7 (06:51):
Just trying to be aggressive, man, just trying to play
my best, you know. So I got to let the
team down in uh in Game three, felt like I
could have been so much better. So I felt like
I responded the right way today. Just trying to be aggressive,
take what the defense gives me. I felt like I
was a little jittery, playing too fast, So just trying
to calm myself down, especially in the half court in
isolations and stuff, trying to you know, just you know,
(07:14):
settle down, you know, and then just trying to find
guys and just play the right way.
Speaker 8 (07:18):
Uh.
Speaker 7 (07:19):
You know, coaches always want me to rebound. Everybody's on
me to rebound, So just trying to step up there
be the best I could, and you know, everybody's you know,
boxing their guy out, you know, especially Miss Robinson and
Josh Hart. You got so many guys who can just
crash the guy ass like Clary like crazy, sorry, And
I'm just trying to come in and clean it up.
And I thought I did a decent job at that.
But you know, still a lot of ways for me
(07:39):
to get better, us to get better as a group.
So none of that's possible without you know, full team effort.
Speaker 2 (07:44):
So there's your eventual Eastern Conference Finals MVP Tyres Aliburt
and you know we'll call that shot right there.
Speaker 3 (07:51):
Pretty crazy too.
Speaker 4 (07:52):
That was the first home win for a team in
the series, So yeah, crazy, it's how it's how it's
worked out.
Speaker 2 (07:59):
And I know that Knicks fans are going to be
really disappointed and this is going to be uh maybe
they'll come back and they'll make a game of it
in game five and push it to six. But ultimately,
I think we're kind of seeing they're just not as
good as Indiana, They're not as deep as Indiana, and
you just start to come to terms with the fact
(08:20):
that maybe the Knicks just aren't that good. You know,
like it was a fun ride, you know, it was great,
but you know, maybe they're just not that good. I mean,
there is that possibility that out.
Speaker 4 (08:29):
You love Pilo on on New York fan base, You
really do, though, Yeah, this is one of your favorite
things to do. Is like, Oh can I just I
just knife a New York fan base a little bit,
kick them while they're down before they're potentially out altogether.
Speaker 2 (08:41):
I look, it's just they're so over the top. The
celebration was so over the top.
Speaker 3 (08:48):
What does it sound like? Tell me what it sounds like.
Speaker 2 (08:51):
I don't know what it sounds like. It just sounds
like a bunch of a bunch of people who have
never seen a championship before that are just jumping around
for Joyce client stuff in the streets because you.
Speaker 4 (09:01):
Can't do it fan impression. No, you can't do any
impression whatsoever.
Speaker 2 (09:05):
Now it's beneath me. I can't, I can't do it.
I just I look at him and I go, what
was the big to do?
Speaker 5 (09:14):
Well?
Speaker 2 (09:14):
We got past the second round, all right, but there's
like two more series to go, and it feels like
all the air went out of the balloon, and especially
went out of the balloon when Tyrese Haliburton shot went in,
and they've just been kind of scrambling ever since, and
I think we're seeing the two best teams in the
playoffs thus far have been okay, see in Indiana, and
it looks like I know people aren't gonna like that
(09:36):
because they want a New York market in the finals
and all that, and I get all of it. But
the best matchup you could have right now, even though
OKAC will be the favorite, is Indiana and Oklahoma City
because both of them are deep. You're going to see
a lot of people get mixed into the rotation and
you're going to see Tyreese Halliburton and SGA get to
go Mono Imano to try and win a title for
(09:58):
a fan base that's never seen and the title be
won there before. So I'm looking forward to it. But
as far as these series go, I think it's a wrap.
Speaker 6 (10:07):
Which is unfortunately damning about last night's game is that
statistically speaking, the Knicks were better in most categories than
the Indiana Pacers and still managed to lose by nine points.
You know, three pointers they shot at a higher percentage
(10:28):
and they only shot just one less. You know, well,
they they made twelve. The Pacers made thirteen, all right, Now,
they shot twenty eight times. They shot thirty two times,
but the percentage was higher right free throws. They won
in the free throws percentage, rebounds, they had more rebounds,
(10:52):
They had more offense, way more offensive rebounds, more defensive rebounds.
They didn't have great existence. They killed them on assist.
They got them on a steels and blood. They got
them on steals. They got them on steals. Tell you something,
blocks that they were even on blocks?
Speaker 3 (11:11):
What about free throws? Go across the box? What was
the free throw?
Speaker 5 (11:14):
Saying?
Speaker 3 (11:14):
Well, I think they did better than them on free throws,
didn't They don't know.
Speaker 2 (11:18):
Brady told me this one time. He said, stats are
like a slutty girlfriend can't trust him. Yeah, that's what
I think.
Speaker 6 (11:26):
So well they were they were. They did better than
them by two point by point two percent. They did
better than them on free throws. It's just crazy that
that statistically, when you look at the slutty girlfriend.
Speaker 3 (11:41):
That it's like you should you should feel better about
it a lot than that. I just don't I don't
get why.
Speaker 6 (11:51):
I don't get why they could be so so uh
even in in in the in the columns, and it
just didn't look it just didn't look good for the Knicks.
They just look like a team that is just being
outplayed and it's just a better team. And that's kind
of how do you make sense of that? Right, Like,
(12:14):
this is the biggest game of the series, but all
intensive purposes, the biggest game in the series, And how
do you go out there and just you're close in
everything but not good enough. That's that's like a heart
I would assume for New York to coach for the GM,
that's a hard one to try to figure out.
Speaker 3 (12:34):
Yeah, well, I mean they made more field goals, made
more three pointers. I mean that ultimately is what takes
it to win.
Speaker 4 (12:39):
So it was what it was, and that I think
you go back to the break neck pace that the
Pacers can play with, and that's tough to match. Especially
to your point about kar Anthony Towns. If he's struggling
to get up and down the floor, I mean, that's
that's what you're looking for, some sort of mismatch issue
like that. So if the sassy passer can't get up
and down, you know it's gonna be tough.
Speaker 2 (12:58):
Then, by the way, was that actually a sassy pass
or was that just in slow motion?
Speaker 3 (13:03):
It made it look that way.
Speaker 4 (13:04):
Was he really That's a great question. There's so many
times I've seen myself broken down in slow motion.
Speaker 3 (13:10):
I was like, oh man, that doesn't look good. You know,
so slow mo is not does not make everyone look good.
Speaker 4 (13:17):
It does not make everyone look like Michael Jordan flying
through the air getting ready to dunk. Sometimes you've got
an awkward facial expression or your hands do something weird.
Speaker 3 (13:26):
It's just you never know.
Speaker 4 (13:28):
So I'd like to think it wasn't a sassy pass,
but it feels it feels like he could be. It's
something we need to dive into a little deeper.
Speaker 5 (13:35):
Yeah, and see if.
Speaker 2 (13:36):
He's just a sassy passer. From now on, I'm into it.
Probably more interesting in some of the game to be
honestly looking, real, real, spicy.
Speaker 1 (13:43):
Be sure to catch live editions of Two Pros and
a Cup of Joe with Brady Quinn, LeVar Errington, and
Jonas Knox weekdays at six am Eastern three am Pacific
on Fox Sports Radio and the iHeartRadio app.
Speaker 2 (13:56):
So OTAs have started up around the NFL, and you know,
obviously we were discussing the fact that Aaron Rodgers is
not currently at the Steelers OTAs, so we're still waiting
word to see whether or not that gets done. Somebody
else who is also not at the start of OTAs
is none other than Kirk Cousins. He is not at
the start of the Falcons.
Speaker 3 (14:17):
OTAs on the same team.
Speaker 2 (14:19):
Uh well, no, he's TJ Watt as well too. But
we'll start with with Kirk Cousins. He decided not going
to be there, not going to show up, and he
would like to be traded. But it does feel like
he's either waiting for Rogers to turn the Steelers down
or an injury to a starter somewhere else in the
league for him to actually get an opportunity to start elsewhere.
Speaker 3 (14:42):
Least I'm just going to say.
Speaker 4 (14:43):
Is there is there like a secret team kind of
in the mix, because there's one in the back of
my mind that I feel like it could be in
play here for Kirk Cousins.
Speaker 3 (14:53):
That no one's talking about.
Speaker 2 (14:55):
Should we guess?
Speaker 3 (14:57):
Yeah, take a guy.
Speaker 2 (14:58):
I do have game show music, all right, so probably
not this early, probably not please come on.
Speaker 3 (15:06):
Today. Hell yeah, me wrong.
Speaker 2 (15:10):
You're trying to shoot bullets, all right.
Speaker 3 (15:12):
It's like ty Tyrace Halla Burton. That was terrible.
Speaker 4 (15:17):
It's a great performance, right right, That's what I'm trying
to say. It's a great performance.
Speaker 5 (15:21):
All right.
Speaker 2 (15:21):
So let's see secret team that would be in the
mix for Kirk Cousins.
Speaker 3 (15:30):
Yeah, yeah, m.
Speaker 2 (15:34):
The Minnesota Vikings.
Speaker 3 (15:36):
Okay, well, I can't play the scam anymore then.
Speaker 5 (15:40):
Yeah? Why not?
Speaker 2 (15:42):
Oh you think that's that's a potential, like he would
go back to the So there's something to that.
Speaker 3 (15:47):
I don't know. Maybe there's something to that. I mean,
there's familiarity there.
Speaker 4 (15:49):
He knows the system, he knows the offense, everything else.
If if there's something that happens with J. J. McCarthy,
either a setback in his recovery or they're just saying
maybe he's not ready yet, maybe there'd be the potential
of Kirk Cousins.
Speaker 3 (16:03):
A sign back in Minnesota.
Speaker 4 (16:04):
It's I'll throw it out there, throwing it out there.
There's another team though. That did kind of hit me
and I thought maybe that would work too. I'll come on, var,
I'll give I'll give LeVar an opportunity another team.
Speaker 3 (16:18):
Yeah, come on, what the Saints?
Speaker 7 (16:23):
Uh?
Speaker 3 (16:23):
Good, guess I'm not going to say the Saints.
Speaker 4 (16:26):
For this reason, I think the Saints are tanking this year,
and I think they want to get to a spot
where they can take the number one quarterback in next
year's draft. So this year, I think they're going into
it thinking let's just go ahead and let the rest
of the future play out with.
Speaker 3 (16:40):
Arch Man against our quarterback next year. By the way,
I don't think it's the Saints.
Speaker 2 (16:43):
Imagine being a Saints fan right now, You're like, Man,
we're gonna suck next year. You know what, I got
to take a load off. Let me go buy a
candy bar off this kid around the corner.
Speaker 3 (16:52):
Oops.
Speaker 2 (16:54):
What a miserable existence as a Saints fan right now?
Speaker 5 (16:58):
Wow?
Speaker 3 (16:59):
You really there?
Speaker 5 (17:02):
He'd like, what is like?
Speaker 3 (17:03):
What says?
Speaker 5 (17:04):
Are you?
Speaker 4 (17:04):
Are you referencing our Super Bowl trip where people were
concerned about getting sold candy and the next thing, you know,
getting mugged around the corner.
Speaker 3 (17:12):
What you're saying?
Speaker 5 (17:12):
I didn't.
Speaker 2 (17:13):
I didn't realize it was a thing until sitting there
getting a bite to eat with Lee as he was
trying not to fall over the balcony because he was
bombed from hurricanes with LeVar at eight in the morning
and looking over and seeing how the operation worked. People
instructing the kids were to go hiding around the corners
and then realizing, oh, that's a real thing. I think
you brought it up first. I was like, nah, it
(17:34):
seems embellished.
Speaker 4 (17:35):
Well it was because it was because someone from our
security team said, hey, be careful if you're going to
buy candy from the kids, because once you, you know,
throw out some cash, they're looking to see how much
you have. And then they signaled someone else who ends
up trying to pickpocket you.
Speaker 3 (17:50):
Or jump you. They get the opportunity. So that was
that was more.
Speaker 4 (17:53):
Again that at least at least our Fox security had
told us about it, But you were there. I digress.
There's one more, say the Giants. It wouldn't it would
not be It would not be egregious to say that. However,
I don't think that this is the off season for them.
Speaker 3 (18:12):
But you're getting very hot. You're getting very close, very close,
LeVar Okay, I don't know.
Speaker 6 (18:19):
Oh geez, that's close. So you're saying the Jets. Do
you think it's the Jets?
Speaker 4 (18:24):
I think they would be potentially interested. And and again
this goes back to before Kirk Cousins went to Minnesota.
It was the Jets who actually offered him a deal
that was more money than what the Vikings were going
to pay him, but it wasn't the three year guaranteed
deal the Vikings gave him, So there was interest at
one point, And I do think that's a team that,
(18:46):
again with justin fields, that could be the plan. But
if things look like they need a boost, they need
a veteran to come in there. He could potentially be
that veteran that they could bring in that has proven
to be.
Speaker 3 (18:59):
Capable.
Speaker 4 (18:59):
Now, last year was rough, but I also think he
was coming off of an injury that was part of it.
So as far as the two teams I'm looking at
like that would be the two teams outside of the
Pittsburgh Steelers. If Rogers signs in Pittsburgh, that could be
a potential trade partner.
Speaker 2 (19:15):
So basically, if you're Kirk Cousins, you need either an
injury or somebody just suck so bad before the season
for the Falcons to trade you.
Speaker 3 (19:26):
That's fair. Yeah, And it's basically what you need if
you're Kirk Cousins.
Speaker 6 (19:29):
Oh my god, all right, so might as well just
chill out home. Back to the original point, why the
hell I'm gonna be.
Speaker 3 (19:37):
At Giles Camp? Or y'all OTAs, right, y'all kiss my ass.
Speaker 2 (19:43):
They already paid him, right, he already got his ten
million dollars bonus, So all right, I mean just hang out, okay.
Speaker 6 (19:52):
Can they go after his bonus? But OTAs are are
I mean OTAs are.
Speaker 5 (19:58):
You have to be there?
Speaker 3 (20:00):
Those are mandatory. O t a's aren't what what are
they called?
Speaker 2 (20:06):
Voluntary?
Speaker 3 (20:07):
Voluntary?
Speaker 4 (20:09):
So they find him that they are voluntary, they're not mandatory.
O tas are voluntary, mini campus mandatory, mini camps mandatory.
Speaker 3 (20:19):
Voluntary means you don't have to go.
Speaker 6 (20:21):
But that's there, right, I didn't know ot as. I
thought you might have had to be at ot as.
Speaker 4 (20:26):
No, it's no mini campus mandatory. You're subjective fines. The
only thing that would be mandatory with making the ot
as would be if you have a workout bonus, and
that workout bonus is scheduled into being a part of
the O t as as well.
Speaker 2 (20:42):
But isn't it even though they say it's voluntary, if
you don't show up, then they kind of say, say.
Speaker 3 (20:48):
It's frowned upon. It's frowned upon.
Speaker 4 (20:50):
It it's it falls in the category of you know,
watching a guy walk out of a stall at an.
Speaker 3 (20:55):
Airport bathroom and now wash his hands from upon.
Speaker 4 (20:59):
It probably falls into the category of, you know, being
that guy that doesn't want to tip. You know, even
though you got a coffee to go, you want to
throw a little bit of something in there. It's it's
it's frowned upon, you know. Yeah, I don't think the
New Orleans Saints need a quarterback.
Speaker 3 (21:14):
I would they do more than anyone.
Speaker 5 (21:18):
Sure.
Speaker 4 (21:18):
I just stated though that I think they're gonna be
tanking to try to get the number one pick next
year's draft because they want arch They want Arch. That
the story behind I mean, can you imagine falling in
his grandfather's footsteps.
Speaker 6 (21:30):
I mean, the same name at the same team. I
wonder if he were the same number. Is his number retired?
I'm sure that would help be a debate, Yeah, I
mean it would it be, wouldn't they just asked, I
don't think that would be a debate.
Speaker 3 (21:46):
Let my grandson wear it, Let them let him wear
them on number. It would be a man.
Speaker 2 (21:52):
It would be pretty cla It would be pretty sweet though,
if they tanked for Arch Manning and then Archie Manning
orchestrated another Eli Manning to get out of San Diego
situation and said, hey, listen, like I played there, but
this place sucks. No, no, we're not doing this, and
then tries to get Dell deltwere at LEAs what number was.
Speaker 3 (22:12):
Anywhere?
Speaker 2 (22:13):
It feels like an upgrade at this point. Was arch
Manning number eight?
Speaker 5 (22:16):
He was eight.
Speaker 6 (22:17):
It's not retired, but it's kind of unofficially retired. It's
kind of understood you don't wear number eight. Any kind
of has to though, So I think that would be
kind of hard if he ended up in New Orleans
and got the number. What number is he in college?
Speaker 2 (22:34):
Sixteen like his uncle?
Speaker 3 (22:37):
Okay was it wasn't Peyton sixteen?
Speaker 5 (22:41):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (22:41):
In college?
Speaker 6 (22:41):
It was was his sixteen college? Yeah, Okay, that would
be interesting. That's a whole lot of pressure though.
Speaker 2 (22:51):
On the subject of t J. Watt that we mentioned,
because he was also a no show at camp.
Speaker 6 (22:56):
That's a big deal. Man, It could turn into a
big deal if they don't if they don't want to
address this the right way.
Speaker 2 (23:01):
I mean, he's making half of what Miles Garrett is
getting this upcoming year.
Speaker 4 (23:07):
Well, I mean there's a couple of players in that
category and they both have something in common t J.
Watt and Trey Hendrickson, and they have in common.
Speaker 3 (23:15):
They're both at rushers. What else, oh I thought they were?
They were going down the discrimination rode like, No, they've
both had a ton of sacks the past couple of years.
You know, you could make the case they've both been
up there for whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa. I didn't say anything.
I mean, my goodness, you guys asked the question. I
(23:37):
answered you people.
Speaker 4 (23:40):
I love making it about race when you come they're
both edge rushers who played phenomenal the past couple of
years and are looking for extensions, Like, yeah, they've got
that in common.
Speaker 3 (23:50):
I mean, my gosh, I'm not sure what you guys
are talking about. Anyway, we knew exactly what you were
talking t J.
Speaker 4 (23:57):
Watt is getting paid very similar transjicks and like half
of what Miles Garrett is now getting paid. And that's
that's like all these guys are looking at saying, well,
that's what he's getting. Maybe I'm not getting or surpassing
Miles Garrett. Even though all players think they're the best,
they should, they don't feel like they should be taking
a fifty percent haircut for the same production or better
(24:18):
production sometimes so you can understand why they're frustrated. And
this is when fans get upset about it. You got
to understand, this is the only leverage you have as
a player. The only thing you can really do is
not show up and force the team to have to
talk about you and force the team have to look
(24:38):
at your roster and look at this team without you.
That's the only thing you can really do as a player,
to flex or exercise your leverage after you have outperformed
your contract.
Speaker 3 (24:49):
That I think we'd agree TJ. Watt.
Speaker 4 (24:51):
Trey Hendrickson also falls in this category. They've outperformed their contracts,
so it's never easy to figure out how to get
the done. But you'd have to think too. With Rogers
out there lingering TJ. Watt, you've you know, maybe they
can get both two things done at once whenever it happens,
But it's a lot of cap considerations to take into account.
Speaker 3 (25:12):
I would assume they have to get it done. That's
a lot.
Speaker 6 (25:16):
I mean, it's one thing to have pressure on you
over a player that has done nothing for your organization.
You know, you wait for Aaron Rodgers. I think it's
I don't know, I think it's maybe it's better after
he signs, but man, it just feels like a bad
move to feel like or for it to have the
(25:38):
optics of you being held hostage by Aaron Rodgers until
he decides he's ready to come play for the team.
Maybe it plays out differently, I don't know.
Speaker 3 (25:47):
But with TJ.
Speaker 6 (25:48):
Watt, come on, man, like he's beloved by the city.
He's he's earned that. That's not like he's he's like
an overrated, overblown guy that you know, is like the
hype of it all. Like dude is truly a catalyst
for the team. When he's in there, they win. When
he's out, they don't. And if you were to do
(26:12):
something that poisoned the relationship with TJ. Watt or some
way somehow it didn't work out with TJ Watt, it
goes back to the conversation I continue to have about
the pressure cooker that is being created in Pittsburgh.
Speaker 3 (26:28):
You could take some of that pressure off by signing TJ. Watt.
So I almost feel like they have to sign TJ.
Speaker 5 (26:35):
Watt.
Speaker 3 (26:35):
I don't believe they're in a scenario where you can't
get a deal done.
Speaker 6 (26:41):
Oh TJ. It's just your price tags too high. I
just can't see how Pittsburgh. The only way they could
survive the way this offseason, and for what it's worth,
maybe the last two off seasons have gone for them.
The only way they can survive is by winning. And
how much of that went do they have to do?
Speaker 3 (27:00):
I don't know. Is winning good enough?
Speaker 6 (27:03):
Like is having a winning season making it to the
playoffs that has now become status quo?
Speaker 3 (27:09):
Is that good enough?
Speaker 6 (27:10):
I would say with some of these mishaps, if there
was a mishap of not having TJ. Watt on your team,
if there was a mishap of all this discussion around
Aaron Rodgers and Aaron Rodgers didn't end up coming in
or didn't play well when he came in, are these
big enough issues for there to be a problem if
(27:33):
you just have a winning season. I think that that's
what this kind of is is kind of developing into
in terms of a storyline.
Speaker 4 (27:42):
Who's what's interesting about these Steelers is they have six
months in the sixth most cap space in the NFL,
So they've got some cap space to work with and
extending out TJ.
Speaker 3 (27:53):
Watt. Even though we've talked about this before in our show.
Speaker 4 (27:57):
The Pittsburgh Steelers are reluctant to give a ton of
money up front in regards to a signing bonus. That's
just something that they don't like doing. They might make
an exception here for TJ. Wat it would make some sense.
One of the things that I do love about how
they do business. It's very rare you see a ton
of dead cat dead you know, money on the cap,
(28:17):
and this this year is one of those instances where
there's not that much dead money on their cap and
that always helps when you're looking at like, hey, what
do these teams have a good amount of cap space?
Or you look at their rollover cap, right, moneys that
weren't spent last year that rollover this year. They didn't
have a ton from last year to this year, but
it's it's the top half of the league, and so
(28:39):
that helps in creating additional cap space to extend out TJ.
Watt to sign Aaron Rodgers. So there's there's all those
things that play a factor. But you know, I sit
there and look at it and say, it's not gonna
be easy to figure out a way of getting it done.
But these are two things you desperately need if you
want to compete, And I'm sure if Mike Tomlin has
any say, what's so he's pounding the pavement. I'm making
(29:02):
this happen. I can't imagine he wants to go into
the season with Mason Rudolph as their starting quarterback.
Speaker 3 (29:08):
And not have a team that's anchored on one edge.
Speaker 5 (29:11):
By TJ.
Speaker 1 (29:11):
Watt, be sure to catch live editions of Two Pros
and a Cup of Joe with Brady Quinn, LeVar Errington
and Jonas Knox weekdays at six am Eastern, three am Pacific.
Speaker 2 (29:22):
Like we do every single Wednesday. At this time. It's
about tradition, a man who would like to be celebrating
another tradition for years to come, but we will celebrate
him here on this show. He is the old pe
on social media, he is Petros Papadakis, the coast of
the Petros and Money Show, which you can hear on
(29:45):
the Blowtorch Am five to seven e LA Sports Fox
College Football Analyst and our good buddy here Pee, what's happening?
Speaker 5 (29:52):
Good morning? Oh, good morning? Hello? All right? Hello hey everybody, loo, Hey,
what's up?
Speaker 1 (29:59):
So?
Speaker 3 (30:04):
I wanted to do well?
Speaker 2 (30:05):
I wanted to start off, because I know we're going
to get into the you know, the rivalry, which.
Speaker 5 (30:10):
I haven't even talked about it, and you know since
the last week.
Speaker 2 (30:14):
Okay, well been so long. I did want to ask
you about your thoughts on the growth and development of
Luka Doncic, who apparently has lost a ton of weight. Uh,
some people have taken notice to him in the off season.
And does this make you more optimistic about what the
Lakers next year could look like if Luca can figure
(30:37):
out how to be in better shape for the upcoming season.
Oh god, such growth.
Speaker 8 (30:42):
The Laker News yesterday was Lebron making his Taco Tuesday
sound when his son graduated high school.
Speaker 3 (30:49):
What was that sound like that?
Speaker 1 (30:51):
Yeah?
Speaker 8 (30:51):
Yea yeah, yeah yah yeah yeah yeah yeah yea yea,
yea yeah, yea yeah, yeah yeah yah yeah yeah yeah,
yea yeah, yeah, yea yeah yeah yah yeah yah yeah
yeah yeah.
Speaker 3 (31:01):
It's a little higher, it's a little high.
Speaker 5 (31:02):
Yeah.
Speaker 8 (31:03):
But it's five in the morning, and I'm you know,
I just got up and I ruined. My voice was
smoking years ago.
Speaker 5 (31:09):
I used to have a higher.
Speaker 8 (31:11):
I used to be able to sing the just my
Imagination part Real High from the Temptations but I can't.
Speaker 5 (31:18):
Even because of my voice.
Speaker 8 (31:20):
But yes, it was the Sierra Canyon, Sierra Canyon in
Chatsworth graduation. Sierra Canyon where Lebron sends all his kids
and they have a great basketball and football program among
other things. They're K through twelve, so so kindergarten through
(31:42):
senior in high school one thousand, one hundred and like
fifty kids, so not a lot.
Speaker 5 (31:49):
And Lebron was.
Speaker 8 (31:50):
There and they announced his son, the four star recruit
going to Arizona, who average of half a point a
game in high school.
Speaker 5 (31:58):
And that's so he does other things, guys, he should
the screens.
Speaker 8 (32:03):
He rebounds. But they waited like they announced the kid,
and everybody's like, you know, you heard a few horns
and like applause, and then he waited for a lull
so everybody would know it was Taco Tuesday, and he
did that and then everybody, all the Sierra Canyon parents
(32:27):
were like and then only then did they announce the
next kid, which was Joan. Yeah they did.
Speaker 5 (32:47):
Then they were the next kid's name was jonas Epstein.
Speaker 2 (32:50):
All right, oh wow, he not the greatest last name.
But you know what, appreciate the.
Speaker 6 (32:58):
Love man, you know, there's a whole campaign about not
not exercising that type of hate.
Speaker 3 (33:05):
Bro Okay, well, I'm be careful, man. We literally will
go darker right now with the.
Speaker 2 (33:12):
Name of the name Epstein. Now associated with the name
Epstein is not.
Speaker 3 (33:15):
Okay, that's that's that's fair. Hey, I do want to ask,
Oh boy, I do want to ask.
Speaker 4 (33:26):
Though, Lebron, it sounds like he's gonna pick up or
sign his option with the Lakers for twenty six.
Speaker 3 (33:32):
You had to be excited about that when you saw
that news, right, Yeah.
Speaker 8 (33:36):
Just another couple of years getting nailed by the king.
You know, you ever see that movie Sleeping with the
Enemy with Julia Roberts.
Speaker 3 (33:43):
Yeah, it's been a long time.
Speaker 5 (33:45):
Oh it's pretty good.
Speaker 8 (33:46):
Sleeping with the Enemy where her husband's like the worst
guy ever and she fakes her own death to get
away from him.
Speaker 5 (33:54):
But he finds her.
Speaker 8 (33:56):
Because instead of throwing the wedding ring away, she threw
it down the sink, and he went into the sink
and found the ring.
Speaker 5 (34:03):
He knew she was still alive and she didn't drown.
Speaker 8 (34:06):
He finds her and before she uh, before she kills him,
she has him at gunpoint.
Speaker 5 (34:15):
She calls the cops and says, I just shot an intruder.
He's like what and then blah blah blah blah.
Speaker 8 (34:27):
That's what it feels like, getting nailed by the king
for another couple of years. But at least we'll have
something to talk about. And what about the Japanese guys? Yeah,
you guys there on the Dodgers pretty good.
Speaker 6 (34:45):
How do you feel about the Dodgers right now? Man,
They're they're looking pretty good.
Speaker 5 (34:49):
Huh. I guess they have something felt them. Well.
Speaker 8 (34:53):
They they have some injury issues as far as their
their pitching goes.
Speaker 5 (34:59):
They have guy that don't go very long in the games.
Speaker 8 (35:02):
They're starting pitching, but that's uh, but that's kind of
rectified itself. They've had a couple of long stamping stammina performances.
You know that good Royal honey type performance from from
dust Oh yeah, Dustin Man, I think went five innings
last night, which is the equivalent of pitching like eighteen
innings now and uh and the guy before that, Yamamoto,
(35:26):
had a great out at the other day. Yamamoto might
win the cy young He's he's really pitching great. He's
got a devastating splitter that people.
Speaker 5 (35:34):
Don't know what to do with. And there's a new
Yamamoto song. I'm not asking you to find it right now,
though you probably could. There's a new Yamamoto song that
has gone viral.
Speaker 8 (35:45):
It's like Yo she nobo yama moto ma maer and
it just goes on all right, it's a it's a
it's it's from Reddit, and that is now going viral
because you know, I mean, it's kind of hard. You know,
you can be the greatest, uh, you could be John Taylor,
one of the greatest wide receivers around, but when Jerry
(36:08):
Rice is on the other side of the field for
the forty nine ers, it's kind of hard to get
some attention. And it's a little bit like that for
Yamamoto with Otani, I mean Otawni I think just hit
his twentieth home run last night.
Speaker 5 (36:19):
He's on Pace there it is man yo sin no
man Denimo she Yeah, man yo sin no right, denimino ben.
Speaker 3 (36:38):
You see, Oh my god, is that like his walk
up music?
Speaker 5 (36:46):
I wish it was.
Speaker 3 (36:47):
That's kind of hard if it is.
Speaker 5 (36:49):
No, his walk up last that's his walk up is
more like a techno vibe.
Speaker 6 (36:53):
But man, that's almost like Godzilla, like like dang, that's
kind of dope if Yeah, Look.
Speaker 5 (37:02):
Japanese culture is very exciting.
Speaker 8 (37:04):
You know, They've got a lot going on and uh
and they have a they have a great Korean guy
too that they called up Hey Song Kim who's an
exciting Korean player who runs really well and inject some
excitement and it's really likable guy.
Speaker 5 (37:20):
He's not Japanese, but he's Korean.
Speaker 3 (37:23):
M hm.
Speaker 2 (37:24):
So uh, Petros, now that we uh, let's get into
it here.
Speaker 5 (37:30):
Where does the like, I don't know what, what's there
really to say?
Speaker 2 (37:34):
Well, I wanted to ask you this because you know
this time I don't want to.
Speaker 5 (37:37):
Go back and forth with Colin Cowherd.
Speaker 2 (37:39):
I feel listen and that's not I'm more looking at
it from big picture because you are one to voice
your frustration when it comes to USC and where the
program is at as opposed to the program you grew
up with, the program that you were part of, that
you played with, that your family was a part of.
Speaker 5 (37:55):
They were terrible when I played there.
Speaker 2 (37:57):
Yeah, but there was still an element of pride and
tradition attached to the program. So when you see the
stuff that's gone on with then unwilling to potentially want
to continue the rivalry with Notre Dame for various reasons.
Where does this rank among most frustrated you've been with
your alma mater in comparison to some of the other
(38:18):
instances and other issues that have popped up over the
previous years.
Speaker 8 (38:22):
Well, I mean, I'm a radio TV guy, but let's
just say, I know where a lot of bodies are buried.
So there's some other things that we never talk about.
But at the same time, I mean, you know, lack
of institutional control and stuff like that. But no, I mean,
there's there's arrogant Lane Kiffin. There's drunken, out of control
(38:45):
Steve Sarkisian. There's clueless and corrupt Pat Hayden and Lynn Swan.
There's the Varsity Blues.
Speaker 3 (38:55):
I remember Pat Hayden. He was called the Notre Dame
Games back in the decade.
Speaker 8 (38:58):
He used to be a Notre Dame announcer, former USC
football hero, and then he exposed himself and had to
go underground after being the US athletic director who really
basically helped Foster in the Varsity Blue scandal.
Speaker 5 (39:17):
I mean, there's a lot of meat on the bone.
Is what I'm trying to say.
Speaker 8 (39:21):
I mean Mike bone Let alone, a guy that had
to remove And of course there's off sports stuff at USC,
with the terrible cover up with the doctor that was
molesting people for years and years, and just a lot
of bad stuff that's happened at USC because USC is
(39:43):
a very very very wealthy, very connected, private university and
it seemed like in the twenty first century they really
lost their way. This on the other hand, I mean
as an institution we're talking about, and it's a gigantic institution.
USC is not like Sierra Canyon that has one thousand,
(40:06):
one hundred kids. It's it's a massive university. It's like
thirty five thousand people graduate and undergrad.
Speaker 5 (40:14):
Maybe more so. It's uh, it's a big place and
there's a lot going on.
Speaker 8 (40:18):
So I don't want to catastrophize this controversy or whatever.
Speaker 5 (40:24):
But nothing I think has been more definitive about who's
in charge of SC, what's wrong with SC.
Speaker 8 (40:33):
A sign of the times at SC that SC is
no longer relevant, has a football program year in and
year out, that USC has lost there, that USC is impotent,
it's a program now now that the now that the
ocean has turned to yoga and I've.
Speaker 5 (40:49):
Lost my spoon. One of my favorite sayings.
Speaker 8 (40:52):
They they they have totally, they have totally lost their
identity if they're considering this, or how they're considering it,
and the way they're considering it, and who they're allowing
to make their decisions. So overall, I think for me,
(41:14):
it's a really frustrating thing. I can't say it's the
most frustrated I've ever been, because there's really been terrible
things that have happened that have been illegal, you know,
stuff that's not defensible. This, on the other hand, is
a head coach who quite literally would be fired. He
(41:35):
would have been fired if his buyout, or would be
fired and still probably will be fired if his buyout
was not so gigantic. And the fact that they are
letting that guy try to manipulate or say something or
dictate one hundred plus year old rivalry that, as I've
(41:57):
said on the show many times, transcends World Wars, transcends
the the transfer portal, transport transcends the nil, transcends conference realignment,
any of that stuff. We still have usc Notre Dame.
And the fact that Lincoln Riley, who probably should not
(42:19):
even be there. He shouldn't He shouldn't be the coach
there right now, based on his performance, what the place is.
It's just the buyout is so big that guy gets
to pull the plug on this rivalry. That guy gets
to say that USC players don't get to take the
field at Notre Dame or play Notre Dame at home
(42:39):
in November. It's not it's not right. It's it's it's
it's so far from being right that I can't believe
anybody would argue for it. And all these people talking
about modern football and things change and this is what
we need and all that, and my I mean, USC's
(43:00):
not competing. It's not like USC is going to play
in the playoffs if they just didn't have that pesky
Notre Dame game on their schedule. I mean, they can't
beat Minnesota, they can't beat Maryland. And I got to
be honest with you, if Notre Dame's on your schedule,
win or lose, it's going to help you a lot
more when you're in the Big Ten with the new
expanded playoff rules than it does scheduling Georgia State or
(43:22):
Missouri State. Who's on the schedule here in twenty twenty five,
all of that, all of that, it's just so sad
and disappointing that these very wealthy country club set type
people who have never looked through a face mask at USC,
never done anything there, never had any real connection with
(43:43):
the place, want to take the opportunity to play at
the cradle of college football in one of the most
in the most iconic program in the history of the sport,
in their stadium every other year. You're going to take
that away from a whole generation or even consider taking
that away from a whole generation of USC football players
(44:06):
because your coach is scared to compete. It's the saddest
and most it's it's really the most egregious thing I've
ever heard anybody ever consider.
Speaker 5 (44:17):
When it comes. I'd rather have a drunk coach, honestly.
Speaker 8 (44:20):
I mean, it's it's it's it's truly, it's truly an
insult to anybody who ever played the sport at USC
that this would be considered. And the fact that USC
says anything about it.
Speaker 5 (44:33):
I know, Brady, I'm sorry. I'll be done in a second.
Speaker 3 (44:36):
You're good, You're good.
Speaker 8 (44:37):
The fact that USC says anything about it other than yes,
we'd love to play the rivalry for the next thousand years.
The fact that anybody other than Jen Cohen, the USC
Athletic director, has made any kind of statement about this,
the head coach who should be fired, or some weird
(44:57):
assistant athletic director open freaking mouth about it. The only
person I want to hear from is the USC Athletic
director or the president of the school. And that person
needs to say we are going to play this for
the rest of our lives and for everybody else's lives forward,
and that is that.
Speaker 5 (45:16):
We don't want to hear anything else about. Why is
it even being.
Speaker 8 (45:18):
Discussed because Lincoln Riley, who's not good enough to be
the head coach there anymore anyway, If you really think
they're they're they're they're good and have a chance to compete.
Because Lincoln Riley is too soft to to commit to
a rivalry that everybody else that's ever coached there has
committed to. It's an absolute travesty and it makes me
(45:40):
sick to my stomach to even discuss it.
Speaker 5 (45:43):
Thank you.
Speaker 4 (45:44):
It is interesting when you bring up the history and
when you initially saw some of your statements, petros I
was thinking about just looking back on how this rivalry
has sustained through World Wars when you take into account
what it took for the teams to get across the
country train they want to train, like, like, I hear
(46:05):
this argument by a lot of USC people, in particular
on social media, who try to defend the fact that
well Notre Dame's not Well, they've.
Speaker 3 (46:14):
Never been at a conference, so this existed.
Speaker 8 (46:18):
Well, and again that's why you have That's like, why
should they be I mean, honestly, it's like saying, well,
you have this seven hundred room mansion, why don't you
move into this crappy apartment building and Marina del Rey
with the rest of us, I mean.
Speaker 5 (46:30):
Why why they don't they have their own deal with it? Right?
Speaker 4 (46:34):
Well, and then, and by the way, it's always been
that way. So it's kind of odd that now you
try to use that as justification because of the same.
Speaker 8 (46:40):
Thing they use is justification as an It makes me
it's laughable.
Speaker 3 (46:46):
I'm just about the train ride.
Speaker 4 (46:49):
The train ride back in the day, right, like they're
going for days across the country back and forth to
play one another, and nowadays they're like, well, we fly
six thousand more miles a year. It's like, all right,
let's just look back at history here and look at
how this rivalry was played out.
Speaker 3 (47:04):
Teams strut and again I'm not trying to say that.
Speaker 4 (47:07):
You know, we've come a long way since then, but
it's sustained through that, right. It lasted through snowstorms, through
whatever else they had to endure to get to one
another to play.
Speaker 3 (47:17):
So it has a bit odd.
Speaker 4 (47:18):
I do want you to play Devil's advocate though, because
one of the things is I think it's on us
to say, Okay, we'll see, did make a decision that
was for their best interest right to get paid handsomely
through the TV METEA write steal and conference still have.
Speaker 8 (47:34):
The feeling about it that they had to do that,
I mean, and it's because the pack ten for sure,
twelve was so for sure.
Speaker 4 (47:40):
So sure, So let's just look at it from Devil's advocate,
because there has been been an agreement and and look,
I'll say this, I spoke to Gen Cohen last week.
So what I do know is that what's being floated
or out about this twenty year agreement whatever else, there's
not a lot of truth of that. There's been and
you know, an idea to extend for another year. And
(48:03):
there's the thought that Southern cow would like to play
at week zero week one at the beginning of the season.
Speaker 5 (48:10):
That's a travesty.
Speaker 4 (48:11):
But and look, I'm not going to disagree with you,
but everyone feels like I'm biased because I'm an undername guy.
But what I'm saying is Notre Dame hasn't signed an
extension or signed the agreement either, And then you know,
so you could you could make that case, I guess,
make your case if.
Speaker 3 (48:27):
You can for Southern col And why this robbery should need.
Speaker 4 (48:33):
To change based on the landscape of college football where
a lot of things have changed.
Speaker 5 (48:37):
I don't understand. I just don't understand why. Why.
Speaker 8 (48:43):
The only reason it wants anybody wants it to change
or has said anything about it, is because Lincoln Riley
is too soft to play it. And there's a reason
they play in November. There's a reason they play in October.
What was last year, twenty twenty four and they played
at sc right, Yeah, so they played at Notre Dame.
Speaker 3 (49:06):
Yeah.
Speaker 8 (49:06):
So in the even years, they play at Notre Dame
in October. Because Howard Jones's wife used to want to
watch the leaves change the USC head coach and Newton
Rockney's wife had family in Los Angeles, so every other
year they would spend Thanksgiving week that week late November
(49:26):
at USC or in Los Angeles with the palm trees
in Hollywood and all that. It is not snowing in
October in South Bend. It is not a snow game.
They don't have to walk uphill in the snow both ways. Yes,
sometimes it rains and it gets a little muddy, but
it's not mundy anymore because Brian Kelly changed a feeling.
Speaker 5 (49:46):
That was a travesty as well.
Speaker 8 (49:49):
I don't look, I don't understand, other than the fact
that Lincoln Riley doesn't want to play this, why anybody
would ever even consider even moving it. If playing the
first game of the year is different than playing later
in the year USC Notre Dame does nothing but help
everybody and us. He's not competing for the playoff anyway,
(50:12):
and if they were playing Notre Dame would help them.
This is a coach that understands very little about the university.
Speaker 5 (50:20):
That he's at.
Speaker 8 (50:21):
It's a coach that understands very little about how to
make that university successful year in and year out. He's
very stubborn. He doesn't want to embrace their traditions. And
I'll say it again, if he wasn't so overpaid, he'd
be fired at this point without a doubt. So why
should anybody, I mean, why should anybody allow that guy
(50:43):
to say anything about anything or any of his ilk,
or anybody that listens to what he says at some
stupid nil meeting and goes on the internet and regurgitates
it to fight with a guy like Brady Quinn. There
is no argument to end rivalry. There is no argument,
in my opinion, to change the date of the rivalry.
(51:05):
The only thing anybody should do is say, yes, we
love this rivalry and it will continue forever. And despite
the changes in college football, the more things change, the
more some remain the same. This is who we are,
This is our identity as a university. We're such a
big deal in college football that we play an intersectional
(51:25):
rivalry every single year against the team that is the
cradle of the sport, Notre Dame. If you're too if
you're if somehow you're too important or advanced or elite
or West Coast to continue that rivalry, then let's just
scrap the football program and play flag and.
Speaker 5 (51:47):
Try to get into the Olympics.
Speaker 6 (51:50):
Petrows, I know we're up against it, But who would
embrace that idea and like those beliefs of what you
just said? Just or me? If there were a coach
that in your mind that would fit that mold, who
would that be?
Speaker 8 (52:07):
Anybody else? Anybody you know, Matt Campbell, Barry Odom, any
other coach in the world of college football. Yeah, and
maybe you get have five drinks in them and say, God,
it's tough to play Notre Dame every year? Okay, great, whatever,
You're still the coach at USC. Like you get paid
ninety million dollars on your stupid ass contract that you
(52:28):
should have never gotten because.
Speaker 5 (52:31):
You play against Notre Dame.
Speaker 8 (52:34):
You know, that's the thing about USC, And I don't
care that they're in the Big Ten now and it's
some they act like it's some giant gauntlet of death.
Speaker 5 (52:42):
You shouldn't have done it.
Speaker 8 (52:43):
Then, you know, if that, if that prevents you from
playing Notre Dame, then you're too soft to be in
the Big Ten.
Speaker 3 (52:49):
I'm so sorry that's true. That's you know, I mean,
I think you'd agree.
Speaker 4 (52:53):
Pete Carroll during that era, which I look at as
that was the greatest, you know, group of teams in
USC's history. But he would have never turned this down.
He would have never.
Speaker 5 (53:05):
No, no, and and and you know, I don't I
could talk about I'll put it this way.
Speaker 3 (53:09):
I would put that SC team up against any in
history of college football.
Speaker 5 (53:13):
Okay, Uh you know I don't. There's the way. I
mean O. J.
Speaker 8 (53:17):
Simpson and people like that, and John McKay in the
seventies a different game, I understand to tell what I'm saying,
but I mean, yeah, there are great football teams. I
covered them as closely as anybody in the world. I
used to travel with them. But uh, you look, I
mean just as scheduling. We can argue about who was
good and who was bad and all that, but scheduling wise,
(53:39):
I mean they played Arkansas, they played Virginia, they played
Kansas at Kansas State, they played at Auburn. I mean
when I played at USC, we played at Florida State.
We played everybody we possibly could. I don't understand the
(54:00):
I mean, they were never afraid of a challenge. It
was it was a way to boost the programs visibility
in the BCS era, or any era. But I mean,
I take your point, Brady. I mean, those were absolutely
dominant football teams in a dominant era of USC, and
(54:22):
they played anybody they possibly could. You could say, well, yeah,
but they were in the Pac Ten at the time.
Well okay, they would go anywhere and play anybody. They
went to Nebraska, Nebraska came here. They I mean, they
played everybody you could possibly think of.
Speaker 1 (54:37):
That.
Speaker 8 (54:37):
I mean when they played Auburn and three Auburn was
the number one team in the country and they played
at Jordan Hare. So yes, when USC is great generationally
throughout the years, and Pete Carroll of course the most
recent in everybody's memory, they have never, ever, ever, ever
shied away from anybody on a schedule. And this is
(54:59):
just it's just not This doesn't feel like USC football
at all. And if they if they try to do this, seriously,
just shake start and then just start wearing alternate uniforms,
start wearing white shoes. Let's schedule half the games. It's
so far, you know, seriously, let's just scrap the whole thing.
Speaker 2 (55:18):
I was gonna say, is a stub Up Center still open?
Speaker 5 (55:21):
Yeah, let's go play at the Dignity Health sports. Yeah. Yeah,
let's wear our jockstraps on the outside of our pants.
Speaker 2 (55:31):
Get them on X at the old pe Hughes. Petros
Papadegas the co host of the Petros and Money Show,
which you can hear on the Blowtorch AM five to
seventy LA Sports Fox college football analyst and a Wednesday
tradition here on the show, Petros, we appreciate it. We'll
do it again next week.
Speaker 5 (55:47):
I hate everybody there.
Speaker 3 (55:49):
He is there, he is other lizard. We said hello, Petros.
Speaker 8 (55:53):
Lizards doing good good better some hornworms last night, Real
Juicy
This is the best of two pros and a couple
Joe with Lamar arings and rating win and Jonas Knox
on radio.
Speaker 2 (00:13):
Of course, we will start with what happened last night
in Indianapolis where the Pacers rebound from whatever the hell
you called that in the second half in Game three
and make a little bit of a statement. And Tyrese
Halliburton is having the playoffs of all playoffs that I
can recall for an Indiana pacer outside of Reggie Miller,
(00:35):
Like he's been fantastic and incredible. Last night was really
his time to show. Like everyone's going to go back
to the choking gesture and the shot that went in
in Game one of this series, but last night was
an all around masterclass by Halliburn.
Speaker 3 (00:49):
Yeah, I mean historic right him?
Speaker 4 (00:52):
Jokich was it like Oscar Robinson the only two other
players we've seen in India history do what he was
able to do last night, And felt like time the
Knicks started to build some momentum, he was able to
stop it. He was able to kind of put a
squash to it. So to me, it looked like a
championship performance. You know that the type that I can
player willing his team to get to the NBA Finals,
(01:14):
you know, maybe even continuing this run you're talking about
to help them win the NBA Finals. But hell of
a performance last night by uh Tyry Saliburton and just
you know again the dad back in the house and
maybe that did it.
Speaker 3 (01:26):
Yeah, maybe that that did to some.
Speaker 4 (01:28):
Degree with the pops back in the house set a game,
Bridge field House able to watch it.
Speaker 2 (01:34):
So I thought it was Kinsekoie the game is remember that?
Speaker 5 (01:41):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (01:41):
I don't.
Speaker 2 (01:42):
But you don't remember that. He used to be called
the field House back in the day the Pacers. Yeah, really,
I did not remember that. Yeah, something like that. It's
like rich Stadium to remember it. Joe Robbie, I don't know.
Speaker 3 (01:55):
Can we have Lee looked at up? After a text
from Lee yesterday, I'm not sure he'd be capable of
much to that.
Speaker 2 (02:03):
He's like, unbelievable. It's Taco Tuesdays, man, Uh var is
it over for the Knicks? Is the Undertaker calling it?
Speaker 5 (02:17):
Uh?
Speaker 3 (02:17):
It is over?
Speaker 6 (02:18):
The series is over. It'll in in New York. But uh,
I just again, I just thought that the pace of
the game was too much for the Knicks. You know,
I never really paid attention to Karl Anthony Towns outside
of him shooting the threes. But I started watching how
(02:39):
he runs up and down the court. He doesn't move
very well.
Speaker 5 (02:42):
Man.
Speaker 6 (02:42):
I don't know if he's sore. I know he hurt
his knees of big games in the game or whatever.
He don't move very well. Man.
Speaker 3 (02:49):
Like I get, I get that he's tall and he's big,
but he don't move well.
Speaker 6 (02:54):
It's almost like he can barely run up and down
the court more than one time before he gets like
tired or just can't.
Speaker 3 (03:03):
He just stops. I don't know.
Speaker 6 (03:05):
I was just paying attention to like I was noticing that.
I was like, that's pretty interesting. It almost creates a
five on four advantage for Indiana almost every single time
they're down on offense. And then I was paying attention like, Okay,
you know they're bigs, just don't they don't get back
(03:28):
very fast.
Speaker 3 (03:29):
And I don't know, it's just a lot of.
Speaker 6 (03:32):
Open shots there were, There were a lot of there
were a lot of missed opportunities for the Knicks because
they couldn't keep up with the pace of the Pacers.
Speaker 3 (03:44):
It was just way too fast for them.
Speaker 6 (03:47):
It caused it caused dress with Nie Smith and the
way he was staying in front of Brunson. Brunson wasn't
able to facilitate the way that he usually facilitates. It
kind of sounds like a replay of the OKC Timberwolves game.
And they made a lot of mistakes that a lot
of costly turnovers.
Speaker 3 (04:09):
I mean, the start of.
Speaker 6 (04:10):
The third quarter was just horrible for the next you know,
they had no real continuity. They couldn't settle into, you know,
getting into the flow of the second half. They turned
the ball over I want to say, like two or
three times in their first possessions coming into the third quarter.
(04:31):
It was a very that was to me, the quarter
that kind of made it made it bad.
Speaker 3 (04:38):
Now.
Speaker 6 (04:38):
I know they came back and I know that they
you know, got to a point of where it turned
into a game, but it just seemed like the speed,
the pace, the intensity of the defense forced them into
two mistakes turning the ball over, and then it led
to ultimately them being able to get down court and
(05:01):
the New York Knicks weren't at full strength on that
side of the ball. When they were, they weren't closing
out on defense as well as they should have. Indiana
moved the ball very well and it ended up being
the opportunities for for open shots and they made them,
and Halliburton was was giving them a nice blend. You know,
(05:25):
they were going into the paint, they were making shots
from the outside, so they look pretty good. I don't
I don't, you know, I still think, you know, I
don't know if it's going to be a good, good
final series. I don't know. It could be or it
could not be. It could be OKAC. But the Pacers show,
(05:49):
they show that they have maybe the ability to keep
up with the OKC team both defensively and and speed
and pace.
Speaker 3 (05:58):
Of the game. So maybe it'll be a good series.
Speaker 6 (06:00):
But but as far as this one, the Knicks had
their chance and they they blew it terribly last evening.
Speaker 3 (06:07):
You know, it is what it is.
Speaker 2 (06:08):
When you saw the scores being what they were at halftime,
you knew the Knicks couldn't keep that pace up. They
just couldn't. Indiana can go like that's that's their style
of play. But even though the Knicks kept it close,
you knew eventually it was just gonna wear him down.
Karl Anthony Towns went down with the knee. He collided knees,
I believe with Nie Smith, uh in the fourth quarter.
(06:30):
So he's got a ironic around that. Yeah, it is
kind of ironic.
Speaker 4 (06:33):
And Smith and he smith that knee right. Send those
sassy passes anymore, No.
Speaker 2 (06:40):
He couldn't, but says speaking of sassy Tyrese Haliburton spoke
afterwards about his performance and rebounding following a disappointing Game three.
Speaker 7 (06:51):
Just trying to be aggressive, man, just trying to play
my best, you know. So I got to let the
team down in uh in Game three, felt like I
could have been so much better. So I felt like
I responded the right way today. Just trying to be aggressive,
take what the defense gives me. I felt like I
was a little jittery, playing too fast, So just trying
to calm myself down, especially in the half court in
isolations and stuff, trying to you know, just you know,
(07:14):
settle down, you know, and then just trying to find
guys and just play the right way.
Speaker 8 (07:18):
Uh.
Speaker 7 (07:19):
You know, coaches always want me to rebound. Everybody's on
me to rebound, So just trying to step up there
be the best I could, and you know, everybody's you know,
boxing their guy out, you know, especially Miss Robinson and
Josh Hart. You got so many guys who can just
crash the guy ass like Clary like crazy, sorry, And
I'm just trying to come in and clean it up.
And I thought I did a decent job at that.
But you know, still a lot of ways for me
(07:39):
to get better, us to get better as a group.
So none of that's possible without you know, full team effort.
Speaker 2 (07:44):
So there's your eventual Eastern Conference Finals MVP Tyres Aliburt
and you know we'll call that shot right there.
Speaker 3 (07:51):
Pretty crazy too.
Speaker 4 (07:52):
That was the first home win for a team in
the series, So yeah, crazy, it's how it's how it's
worked out.
Speaker 2 (07:59):
And I know that Knicks fans are going to be
really disappointed and this is going to be uh maybe
they'll come back and they'll make a game of it
in game five and push it to six. But ultimately,
I think we're kind of seeing they're just not as
good as Indiana, They're not as deep as Indiana, and
you just start to come to terms with the fact
(08:20):
that maybe the Knicks just aren't that good. You know,
like it was a fun ride, you know, it was great,
but you know, maybe they're just not that good. I mean,
there is that possibility that out.
Speaker 4 (08:29):
You love Pilo on on New York fan base, You
really do, though, Yeah, this is one of your favorite
things to do. Is like, Oh can I just I
just knife a New York fan base a little bit,
kick them while they're down before they're potentially out altogether.
Speaker 2 (08:41):
I look, it's just they're so over the top. The
celebration was so over the top.
Speaker 3 (08:48):
What does it sound like? Tell me what it sounds like.
Speaker 2 (08:51):
I don't know what it sounds like. It just sounds
like a bunch of a bunch of people who have
never seen a championship before that are just jumping around
for Joyce client stuff in the streets because you.
Speaker 4 (09:01):
Can't do it fan impression. No, you can't do any
impression whatsoever.
Speaker 2 (09:05):
Now it's beneath me. I can't, I can't do it.
I just I look at him and I go, what
was the big to do?
Speaker 5 (09:14):
Well?
Speaker 2 (09:14):
We got past the second round, all right, but there's
like two more series to go, and it feels like
all the air went out of the balloon, and especially
went out of the balloon when Tyrese Haliburton shot went in,
and they've just been kind of scrambling ever since, and
I think we're seeing the two best teams in the
playoffs thus far have been okay, see in Indiana, and
it looks like I know people aren't gonna like that
(09:36):
because they want a New York market in the finals
and all that, and I get all of it. But
the best matchup you could have right now, even though
OKAC will be the favorite, is Indiana and Oklahoma City
because both of them are deep. You're going to see
a lot of people get mixed into the rotation and
you're going to see Tyreese Halliburton and SGA get to
go Mono Imano to try and win a title for
(09:58):
a fan base that's never seen and the title be
won there before. So I'm looking forward to it. But
as far as these series go, I think it's a wrap.
Speaker 6 (10:07):
Which is unfortunately damning about last night's game is that
statistically speaking, the Knicks were better in most categories than
the Indiana Pacers and still managed to lose by nine points.
You know, three pointers they shot at a higher percentage
(10:28):
and they only shot just one less. You know, well,
they they made twelve. The Pacers made thirteen, all right, Now,
they shot twenty eight times. They shot thirty two times,
but the percentage was higher right free throws. They won
in the free throws percentage, rebounds, they had more rebounds,
(10:52):
They had more offense, way more offensive rebounds, more defensive rebounds.
They didn't have great existence. They killed them on assist.
They got them on a steels and blood. They got
them on steals. They got them on steals. Tell you something,
blocks that they were even on blocks?
Speaker 3 (11:11):
What about free throws? Go across the box? What was
the free throw?
Speaker 5 (11:14):
Saying?
Speaker 3 (11:14):
Well, I think they did better than them on free throws,
didn't They don't know.
Speaker 2 (11:18):
Brady told me this one time. He said, stats are
like a slutty girlfriend can't trust him. Yeah, that's what
I think.
Speaker 6 (11:26):
So well they were they were. They did better than
them by two point by point two percent. They did
better than them on free throws. It's just crazy that
that statistically, when you look at the slutty girlfriend.
Speaker 3 (11:41):
That it's like you should you should feel better about
it a lot than that. I just don't I don't
get why.
Speaker 6 (11:51):
I don't get why they could be so so uh
even in in in the in the columns, and it
just didn't look it just didn't look good for the Knicks.
They just look like a team that is just being
outplayed and it's just a better team. And that's kind
of how do you make sense of that? Right, Like,
(12:14):
this is the biggest game of the series, but all
intensive purposes, the biggest game in the series, And how
do you go out there and just you're close in
everything but not good enough. That's that's like a heart
I would assume for New York to coach for the GM,
that's a hard one to try to figure out.
Speaker 3 (12:34):
Yeah, well, I mean they made more field goals, made
more three pointers. I mean that ultimately is what takes
it to win.
Speaker 4 (12:39):
So it was what it was, and that I think
you go back to the break neck pace that the
Pacers can play with, and that's tough to match. Especially
to your point about kar Anthony Towns. If he's struggling
to get up and down the floor, I mean, that's
that's what you're looking for, some sort of mismatch issue
like that. So if the sassy passer can't get up
and down, you know it's gonna be tough.
Speaker 2 (12:58):
Then, by the way, was that actually a sassy pass
or was that just in slow motion?
Speaker 3 (13:03):
It made it look that way.
Speaker 4 (13:04):
Was he really That's a great question. There's so many
times I've seen myself broken down in slow motion.
Speaker 3 (13:10):
I was like, oh man, that doesn't look good. You know,
so slow mo is not does not make everyone look good.
Speaker 4 (13:17):
It does not make everyone look like Michael Jordan flying
through the air getting ready to dunk. Sometimes you've got
an awkward facial expression or your hands do something weird.
Speaker 3 (13:26):
It's just you never know.
Speaker 4 (13:28):
So I'd like to think it wasn't a sassy pass,
but it feels it feels like he could be. It's
something we need to dive into a little deeper.
Speaker 5 (13:35):
Yeah, and see if.
Speaker 2 (13:36):
He's just a sassy passer. From now on, I'm into it.
Probably more interesting in some of the game to be
honestly looking, real, real, spicy.
Speaker 1 (13:43):
Be sure to catch live editions of Two Pros and
a Cup of Joe with Brady Quinn, LeVar Errington, and
Jonas Knox weekdays at six am Eastern three am Pacific
on Fox Sports Radio and the iHeartRadio app.
Speaker 2 (13:56):
So OTAs have started up around the NFL, and you know,
obviously we were discussing the fact that Aaron Rodgers is
not currently at the Steelers OTAs, so we're still waiting
word to see whether or not that gets done. Somebody
else who is also not at the start of OTAs
is none other than Kirk Cousins. He is not at
the start of the Falcons.
Speaker 3 (14:17):
OTAs on the same team.
Speaker 2 (14:19):
Uh well, no, he's TJ Watt as well too. But
we'll start with with Kirk Cousins. He decided not going
to be there, not going to show up, and he
would like to be traded. But it does feel like
he's either waiting for Rogers to turn the Steelers down
or an injury to a starter somewhere else in the
league for him to actually get an opportunity to start elsewhere.
Speaker 3 (14:42):
Least I'm just going to say.
Speaker 4 (14:43):
Is there is there like a secret team kind of
in the mix, because there's one in the back of
my mind that I feel like it could be in
play here for Kirk Cousins.
Speaker 3 (14:53):
That no one's talking about.
Speaker 2 (14:55):
Should we guess?
Speaker 3 (14:57):
Yeah, take a guy.
Speaker 2 (14:58):
I do have game show music, all right, so probably
not this early, probably not please come on.
Speaker 3 (15:06):
Today. Hell yeah, me wrong.
Speaker 2 (15:10):
You're trying to shoot bullets, all right.
Speaker 3 (15:12):
It's like ty Tyrace Halla Burton. That was terrible.
Speaker 4 (15:17):
It's a great performance, right right, That's what I'm trying
to say. It's a great performance.
Speaker 5 (15:21):
All right.
Speaker 2 (15:21):
So let's see secret team that would be in the
mix for Kirk Cousins.
Speaker 3 (15:30):
Yeah, yeah, m.
Speaker 2 (15:34):
The Minnesota Vikings.
Speaker 3 (15:36):
Okay, well, I can't play the scam anymore then.
Speaker 5 (15:40):
Yeah? Why not?
Speaker 2 (15:42):
Oh you think that's that's a potential, like he would
go back to the So there's something to that.
Speaker 3 (15:47):
I don't know. Maybe there's something to that. I mean,
there's familiarity there.
Speaker 4 (15:49):
He knows the system, he knows the offense, everything else.
If if there's something that happens with J. J. McCarthy,
either a setback in his recovery or they're just saying
maybe he's not ready yet, maybe there'd be the potential
of Kirk Cousins.
Speaker 3 (16:03):
A sign back in Minnesota.
Speaker 4 (16:04):
It's I'll throw it out there, throwing it out there.
There's another team though. That did kind of hit me
and I thought maybe that would work too. I'll come on, var,
I'll give I'll give LeVar an opportunity another team.
Speaker 3 (16:18):
Yeah, come on, what the Saints?
Speaker 7 (16:23):
Uh?
Speaker 3 (16:23):
Good, guess I'm not going to say the Saints.
Speaker 4 (16:26):
For this reason, I think the Saints are tanking this year,
and I think they want to get to a spot
where they can take the number one quarterback in next
year's draft. So this year, I think they're going into
it thinking let's just go ahead and let the rest
of the future play out with.
Speaker 3 (16:40):
Arch Man against our quarterback next year. By the way,
I don't think it's the Saints.
Speaker 2 (16:43):
Imagine being a Saints fan right now, You're like, Man,
we're gonna suck next year. You know what, I got
to take a load off. Let me go buy a
candy bar off this kid around the corner.
Speaker 3 (16:52):
Oops.
Speaker 2 (16:54):
What a miserable existence as a Saints fan right now?
Speaker 5 (16:58):
Wow?
Speaker 3 (16:59):
You really there?
Speaker 5 (17:02):
He'd like, what is like?
Speaker 3 (17:03):
What says?
Speaker 5 (17:04):
Are you?
Speaker 4 (17:04):
Are you referencing our Super Bowl trip where people were
concerned about getting sold candy and the next thing, you know,
getting mugged around the corner.
Speaker 3 (17:12):
What you're saying?
Speaker 5 (17:12):
I didn't.
Speaker 2 (17:13):
I didn't realize it was a thing until sitting there
getting a bite to eat with Lee as he was
trying not to fall over the balcony because he was
bombed from hurricanes with LeVar at eight in the morning
and looking over and seeing how the operation worked. People
instructing the kids were to go hiding around the corners
and then realizing, oh, that's a real thing. I think
you brought it up first. I was like, nah, it
(17:34):
seems embellished.
Speaker 4 (17:35):
Well it was because it was because someone from our
security team said, hey, be careful if you're going to
buy candy from the kids, because once you, you know,
throw out some cash, they're looking to see how much
you have. And then they signaled someone else who ends
up trying to pickpocket you.
Speaker 3 (17:50):
Or jump you. They get the opportunity. So that was
that was more.
Speaker 4 (17:53):
Again that at least at least our Fox security had
told us about it, But you were there. I digress.
There's one more, say the Giants. It wouldn't it would
not be It would not be egregious to say that. However,
I don't think that this is the off season for them.
Speaker 3 (18:12):
But you're getting very hot. You're getting very close, very close,
LeVar Okay, I don't know.
Speaker 6 (18:19):
Oh geez, that's close. So you're saying the Jets. Do
you think it's the Jets?
Speaker 4 (18:24):
I think they would be potentially interested. And and again
this goes back to before Kirk Cousins went to Minnesota.
It was the Jets who actually offered him a deal
that was more money than what the Vikings were going
to pay him, but it wasn't the three year guaranteed
deal the Vikings gave him, So there was interest at
one point, And I do think that's a team that,
(18:46):
again with justin fields, that could be the plan. But
if things look like they need a boost, they need
a veteran to come in there. He could potentially be
that veteran that they could bring in that has proven
to be.
Speaker 3 (18:59):
Capable.
Speaker 4 (18:59):
Now, last year was rough, but I also think he
was coming off of an injury that was part of it.
So as far as the two teams I'm looking at
like that would be the two teams outside of the
Pittsburgh Steelers. If Rogers signs in Pittsburgh, that could be
a potential trade partner.
Speaker 2 (19:15):
So basically, if you're Kirk Cousins, you need either an
injury or somebody just suck so bad before the season
for the Falcons to trade you.
Speaker 3 (19:26):
That's fair. Yeah, And it's basically what you need if
you're Kirk Cousins.
Speaker 6 (19:29):
Oh my god, all right, so might as well just
chill out home. Back to the original point, why the
hell I'm gonna be.
Speaker 3 (19:37):
At Giles Camp? Or y'all OTAs, right, y'all kiss my ass.
Speaker 2 (19:43):
They already paid him, right, he already got his ten
million dollars bonus, So all right, I mean just hang out, okay.
Speaker 6 (19:52):
Can they go after his bonus? But OTAs are are
I mean OTAs are.
Speaker 5 (19:58):
You have to be there?
Speaker 3 (20:00):
Those are mandatory. O t a's aren't what what are
they called?
Speaker 2 (20:06):
Voluntary?
Speaker 3 (20:07):
Voluntary?
Speaker 4 (20:09):
So they find him that they are voluntary, they're not mandatory.
O tas are voluntary, mini campus mandatory, mini camps mandatory.
Speaker 3 (20:19):
Voluntary means you don't have to go.
Speaker 6 (20:21):
But that's there, right, I didn't know ot as. I
thought you might have had to be at ot as.
Speaker 4 (20:26):
No, it's no mini campus mandatory. You're subjective fines. The
only thing that would be mandatory with making the ot
as would be if you have a workout bonus, and
that workout bonus is scheduled into being a part of
the O t as as well.
Speaker 2 (20:42):
But isn't it even though they say it's voluntary, if
you don't show up, then they kind of say, say.
Speaker 3 (20:48):
It's frowned upon. It's frowned upon.
Speaker 4 (20:50):
It it's it falls in the category of you know,
watching a guy walk out of a stall at an.
Speaker 3 (20:55):
Airport bathroom and now wash his hands from upon.
Speaker 4 (20:59):
It probably falls into the category of, you know, being
that guy that doesn't want to tip. You know, even
though you got a coffee to go, you want to
throw a little bit of something in there. It's it's
it's frowned upon, you know. Yeah, I don't think the
New Orleans Saints need a quarterback.
Speaker 3 (21:14):
I would they do more than anyone.
Speaker 5 (21:18):
Sure.
Speaker 4 (21:18):
I just stated though that I think they're gonna be
tanking to try to get the number one pick next
year's draft because they want arch They want Arch. That
the story behind I mean, can you imagine falling in
his grandfather's footsteps.
Speaker 6 (21:30):
I mean, the same name at the same team. I
wonder if he were the same number. Is his number retired?
I'm sure that would help be a debate, Yeah, I
mean it would it be, wouldn't they just asked, I
don't think that would be a debate.
Speaker 3 (21:46):
Let my grandson wear it, Let them let him wear
them on number. It would be a man.
Speaker 2 (21:52):
It would be pretty cla It would be pretty sweet though,
if they tanked for Arch Manning and then Archie Manning
orchestrated another Eli Manning to get out of San Diego
situation and said, hey, listen, like I played there, but
this place sucks. No, no, we're not doing this, and
then tries to get Dell deltwere at LEAs what number was.
Speaker 3 (22:12):
Anywhere?
Speaker 2 (22:13):
It feels like an upgrade at this point. Was arch
Manning number eight?
Speaker 5 (22:16):
He was eight.
Speaker 6 (22:17):
It's not retired, but it's kind of unofficially retired. It's
kind of understood you don't wear number eight. Any kind
of has to though, So I think that would be
kind of hard if he ended up in New Orleans
and got the number. What number is he in college?
Speaker 2 (22:34):
Sixteen like his uncle?
Speaker 3 (22:37):
Okay was it wasn't Peyton sixteen?
Speaker 5 (22:41):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (22:41):
In college?
Speaker 6 (22:41):
It was was his sixteen college? Yeah, Okay, that would
be interesting. That's a whole lot of pressure though.
Speaker 2 (22:51):
On the subject of t J. Watt that we mentioned,
because he was also a no show at camp.
Speaker 6 (22:56):
That's a big deal. Man, It could turn into a
big deal if they don't if they don't want to
address this the right way.
Speaker 2 (23:01):
I mean, he's making half of what Miles Garrett is
getting this upcoming year.
Speaker 4 (23:07):
Well, I mean there's a couple of players in that
category and they both have something in common t J.
Watt and Trey Hendrickson, and they have in common.
Speaker 3 (23:15):
They're both at rushers. What else, oh I thought they were?
They were going down the discrimination rode like, No, they've
both had a ton of sacks the past couple of years.
You know, you could make the case they've both been
up there for whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa. I didn't say anything.
I mean, my goodness, you guys asked the question. I
(23:37):
answered you people.
Speaker 4 (23:40):
I love making it about race when you come they're
both edge rushers who played phenomenal the past couple of
years and are looking for extensions, Like, yeah, they've got
that in common.
Speaker 3 (23:50):
I mean, my gosh, I'm not sure what you guys
are talking about. Anyway, we knew exactly what you were
talking t J.
Speaker 4 (23:57):
Watt is getting paid very similar transjicks and like half
of what Miles Garrett is now getting paid. And that's
that's like all these guys are looking at saying, well,
that's what he's getting. Maybe I'm not getting or surpassing
Miles Garrett. Even though all players think they're the best,
they should, they don't feel like they should be taking
a fifty percent haircut for the same production or better
(24:18):
production sometimes so you can understand why they're frustrated. And
this is when fans get upset about it. You got
to understand, this is the only leverage you have as
a player. The only thing you can really do is
not show up and force the team to have to
talk about you and force the team have to look
(24:38):
at your roster and look at this team without you.
That's the only thing you can really do as a player,
to flex or exercise your leverage after you have outperformed
your contract.
Speaker 3 (24:49):
That I think we'd agree TJ. Watt.
Speaker 4 (24:51):
Trey Hendrickson also falls in this category. They've outperformed their contracts,
so it's never easy to figure out how to get
the done. But you'd have to think too. With Rogers
out there lingering TJ. Watt, you've you know, maybe they
can get both two things done at once whenever it happens,
But it's a lot of cap considerations to take into account.
Speaker 3 (25:12):
I would assume they have to get it done. That's
a lot.
Speaker 6 (25:16):
I mean, it's one thing to have pressure on you
over a player that has done nothing for your organization.
You know, you wait for Aaron Rodgers. I think it's
I don't know, I think it's maybe it's better after
he signs, but man, it just feels like a bad
move to feel like or for it to have the
(25:38):
optics of you being held hostage by Aaron Rodgers until
he decides he's ready to come play for the team.
Maybe it plays out differently, I don't know.
Speaker 3 (25:47):
But with TJ.
Speaker 6 (25:48):
Watt, come on, man, like he's beloved by the city.
He's he's earned that. That's not like he's he's like
an overrated, overblown guy that you know, is like the
hype of it all. Like dude is truly a catalyst
for the team. When he's in there, they win. When
he's out, they don't. And if you were to do
(26:12):
something that poisoned the relationship with TJ. Watt or some
way somehow it didn't work out with TJ Watt, it
goes back to the conversation I continue to have about
the pressure cooker that is being created in Pittsburgh.
Speaker 3 (26:28):
You could take some of that pressure off by signing TJ. Watt.
So I almost feel like they have to sign TJ.
Speaker 5 (26:35):
Watt.
Speaker 3 (26:35):
I don't believe they're in a scenario where you can't
get a deal done.
Speaker 6 (26:41):
Oh TJ. It's just your price tags too high. I
just can't see how Pittsburgh. The only way they could
survive the way this offseason, and for what it's worth,
maybe the last two off seasons have gone for them.
The only way they can survive is by winning. And
how much of that went do they have to do?
Speaker 3 (27:00):
I don't know. Is winning good enough?
Speaker 6 (27:03):
Like is having a winning season making it to the
playoffs that has now become status quo?
Speaker 3 (27:09):
Is that good enough?
Speaker 6 (27:10):
I would say with some of these mishaps, if there
was a mishap of not having TJ. Watt on your team,
if there was a mishap of all this discussion around
Aaron Rodgers and Aaron Rodgers didn't end up coming in
or didn't play well when he came in, are these
big enough issues for there to be a problem if
(27:33):
you just have a winning season. I think that that's
what this kind of is is kind of developing into
in terms of a storyline.
Speaker 4 (27:42):
Who's what's interesting about these Steelers is they have six
months in the sixth most cap space in the NFL,
So they've got some cap space to work with and
extending out TJ.
Speaker 3 (27:53):
Watt. Even though we've talked about this before in our show.
Speaker 4 (27:57):
The Pittsburgh Steelers are reluctant to give a ton of
money up front in regards to a signing bonus. That's
just something that they don't like doing. They might make
an exception here for TJ. Wat it would make some sense.
One of the things that I do love about how
they do business. It's very rare you see a ton
of dead cat dead you know, money on the cap,
(28:17):
and this this year is one of those instances where
there's not that much dead money on their cap and
that always helps when you're looking at like, hey, what
do these teams have a good amount of cap space?
Or you look at their rollover cap, right, moneys that
weren't spent last year that rollover this year. They didn't
have a ton from last year to this year, but
it's it's the top half of the league, and so
(28:39):
that helps in creating additional cap space to extend out TJ.
Watt to sign Aaron Rodgers. So there's there's all those
things that play a factor. But you know, I sit
there and look at it and say, it's not gonna
be easy to figure out a way of getting it done.
But these are two things you desperately need if you
want to compete, And I'm sure if Mike Tomlin has
any say, what's so he's pounding the pavement. I'm making
(29:02):
this happen. I can't imagine he wants to go into
the season with Mason Rudolph as their starting quarterback.
Speaker 3 (29:08):
And not have a team that's anchored on one edge.
Speaker 5 (29:11):
By TJ.
Speaker 1 (29:11):
Watt, be sure to catch live editions of Two Pros
and a Cup of Joe with Brady Quinn, LeVar Errington
and Jonas Knox weekdays at six am Eastern, three am Pacific.
Speaker 2 (29:22):
Like we do every single Wednesday. At this time. It's
about tradition, a man who would like to be celebrating
another tradition for years to come, but we will celebrate
him here on this show. He is the old pe
on social media, he is Petros Papadakis, the coast of
the Petros and Money Show, which you can hear on
(29:45):
the Blowtorch Am five to seven e LA Sports Fox
College Football Analyst and our good buddy here Pee, what's happening?
Speaker 5 (29:52):
Good morning? Oh, good morning? Hello? All right? Hello hey everybody, loo, Hey,
what's up?
Speaker 1 (29:59):
So?
Speaker 3 (30:04):
I wanted to do well?
Speaker 2 (30:05):
I wanted to start off, because I know we're going
to get into the you know, the rivalry, which.
Speaker 5 (30:10):
I haven't even talked about it, and you know since
the last week.
Speaker 2 (30:14):
Okay, well been so long. I did want to ask
you about your thoughts on the growth and development of
Luka Doncic, who apparently has lost a ton of weight. Uh,
some people have taken notice to him in the off season.
And does this make you more optimistic about what the
Lakers next year could look like if Luca can figure
(30:37):
out how to be in better shape for the upcoming season.
Oh god, such growth.
Speaker 8 (30:42):
The Laker News yesterday was Lebron making his Taco Tuesday
sound when his son graduated high school.
Speaker 3 (30:49):
What was that sound like that?
Speaker 1 (30:51):
Yeah?
Speaker 8 (30:51):
Yea yeah, yeah yah yeah yeah yeah yeah yea yea,
yea yeah, yea yeah, yeah yeah yah yeah yeah yeah,
yea yeah, yeah, yea yeah yeah yah yeah yah yeah
yeah yeah.
Speaker 3 (31:01):
It's a little higher, it's a little high.
Speaker 5 (31:02):
Yeah.
Speaker 8 (31:03):
But it's five in the morning, and I'm you know,
I just got up and I ruined. My voice was
smoking years ago.
Speaker 5 (31:09):
I used to have a higher.
Speaker 8 (31:11):
I used to be able to sing the just my
Imagination part Real High from the Temptations but I can't.
Speaker 5 (31:18):
Even because of my voice.
Speaker 8 (31:20):
But yes, it was the Sierra Canyon, Sierra Canyon in
Chatsworth graduation. Sierra Canyon where Lebron sends all his kids
and they have a great basketball and football program among
other things. They're K through twelve, so so kindergarten through
(31:42):
senior in high school one thousand, one hundred and like
fifty kids, so not a lot.
Speaker 5 (31:49):
And Lebron was.
Speaker 8 (31:50):
There and they announced his son, the four star recruit
going to Arizona, who average of half a point a
game in high school.
Speaker 5 (31:58):
And that's so he does other things, guys, he should
the screens.
Speaker 8 (32:03):
He rebounds. But they waited like they announced the kid,
and everybody's like, you know, you heard a few horns
and like applause, and then he waited for a lull
so everybody would know it was Taco Tuesday, and he
did that and then everybody, all the Sierra Canyon parents
(32:27):
were like and then only then did they announce the
next kid, which was Joan. Yeah they did.
Speaker 5 (32:47):
Then they were the next kid's name was jonas Epstein.
Speaker 2 (32:50):
All right, oh wow, he not the greatest last name.
But you know what, appreciate the.
Speaker 6 (32:58):
Love man, you know, there's a whole campaign about not
not exercising that type of hate.
Speaker 3 (33:05):
Bro Okay, well, I'm be careful, man. We literally will
go darker right now with the.
Speaker 2 (33:12):
Name of the name Epstein. Now associated with the name
Epstein is not.
Speaker 3 (33:15):
Okay, that's that's that's fair. Hey, I do want to ask,
Oh boy, I do want to ask.
Speaker 4 (33:26):
Though, Lebron, it sounds like he's gonna pick up or
sign his option with the Lakers for twenty six.
Speaker 3 (33:32):
You had to be excited about that when you saw
that news, right, Yeah.
Speaker 8 (33:36):
Just another couple of years getting nailed by the king.
You know, you ever see that movie Sleeping with the
Enemy with Julia Roberts.
Speaker 3 (33:43):
Yeah, it's been a long time.
Speaker 5 (33:45):
Oh it's pretty good.
Speaker 8 (33:46):
Sleeping with the Enemy where her husband's like the worst
guy ever and she fakes her own death to get
away from him.
Speaker 5 (33:54):
But he finds her.
Speaker 8 (33:56):
Because instead of throwing the wedding ring away, she threw
it down the sink, and he went into the sink
and found the ring.
Speaker 5 (34:03):
He knew she was still alive and she didn't drown.
Speaker 8 (34:06):
He finds her and before she uh, before she kills him,
she has him at gunpoint.
Speaker 5 (34:15):
She calls the cops and says, I just shot an intruder.
He's like what and then blah blah blah blah.
Speaker 8 (34:27):
That's what it feels like, getting nailed by the king
for another couple of years. But at least we'll have
something to talk about. And what about the Japanese guys? Yeah,
you guys there on the Dodgers pretty good.
Speaker 6 (34:45):
How do you feel about the Dodgers right now? Man,
They're they're looking pretty good.
Speaker 5 (34:49):
Huh. I guess they have something felt them. Well.
Speaker 8 (34:53):
They they have some injury issues as far as their
their pitching goes.
Speaker 5 (34:59):
They have guy that don't go very long in the games.
Speaker 8 (35:02):
They're starting pitching, but that's uh, but that's kind of
rectified itself. They've had a couple of long stamping stammina performances.
You know that good Royal honey type performance from from
dust Oh yeah, Dustin Man, I think went five innings
last night, which is the equivalent of pitching like eighteen
innings now and uh and the guy before that, Yamamoto,
(35:26):
had a great out at the other day. Yamamoto might
win the cy young He's he's really pitching great. He's
got a devastating splitter that people.
Speaker 5 (35:34):
Don't know what to do with. And there's a new
Yamamoto song. I'm not asking you to find it right now,
though you probably could. There's a new Yamamoto song that
has gone viral.
Speaker 8 (35:45):
It's like Yo she nobo yama moto ma maer and
it just goes on all right, it's a it's a
it's it's from Reddit, and that is now going viral
because you know, I mean, it's kind of hard. You know,
you can be the greatest, uh, you could be John Taylor,
one of the greatest wide receivers around, but when Jerry
(36:08):
Rice is on the other side of the field for
the forty nine ers, it's kind of hard to get
some attention. And it's a little bit like that for
Yamamoto with Otani, I mean Otawni I think just hit
his twentieth home run last night.
Speaker 5 (36:19):
He's on Pace there it is man yo sin no
man Denimo she Yeah, man yo sin no right, denimino ben.
Speaker 3 (36:38):
You see, Oh my god, is that like his walk
up music?
Speaker 5 (36:46):
I wish it was.
Speaker 3 (36:47):
That's kind of hard if it is.
Speaker 5 (36:49):
No, his walk up last that's his walk up is
more like a techno vibe.
Speaker 6 (36:53):
But man, that's almost like Godzilla, like like dang, that's
kind of dope if Yeah, Look.
Speaker 5 (37:02):
Japanese culture is very exciting.
Speaker 8 (37:04):
You know, They've got a lot going on and uh
and they have a they have a great Korean guy
too that they called up Hey Song Kim who's an
exciting Korean player who runs really well and inject some
excitement and it's really likable guy.
Speaker 5 (37:20):
He's not Japanese, but he's Korean.
Speaker 3 (37:23):
M hm.
Speaker 2 (37:24):
So uh, Petros, now that we uh, let's get into
it here.
Speaker 5 (37:30):
Where does the like, I don't know what, what's there
really to say?
Speaker 2 (37:34):
Well, I wanted to ask you this because you know
this time I don't want to.
Speaker 5 (37:37):
Go back and forth with Colin Cowherd.
Speaker 2 (37:39):
I feel listen and that's not I'm more looking at
it from big picture because you are one to voice
your frustration when it comes to USC and where the
program is at as opposed to the program you grew
up with, the program that you were part of, that
you played with, that your family was a part of.
Speaker 5 (37:55):
They were terrible when I played there.
Speaker 2 (37:57):
Yeah, but there was still an element of pride and
tradition attached to the program. So when you see the
stuff that's gone on with then unwilling to potentially want
to continue the rivalry with Notre Dame for various reasons.
Where does this rank among most frustrated you've been with
your alma mater in comparison to some of the other
(38:18):
instances and other issues that have popped up over the
previous years.
Speaker 8 (38:22):
Well, I mean, I'm a radio TV guy, but let's
just say, I know where a lot of bodies are buried.
So there's some other things that we never talk about.
But at the same time, I mean, you know, lack
of institutional control and stuff like that. But no, I mean,
there's there's arrogant Lane Kiffin. There's drunken, out of control
(38:45):
Steve Sarkisian. There's clueless and corrupt Pat Hayden and Lynn Swan.
There's the Varsity Blues.
Speaker 3 (38:55):
I remember Pat Hayden. He was called the Notre Dame
Games back in the decade.
Speaker 8 (38:58):
He used to be a Notre Dame announcer, former USC
football hero, and then he exposed himself and had to
go underground after being the US athletic director who really
basically helped Foster in the Varsity Blue scandal.
Speaker 5 (39:17):
I mean, there's a lot of meat on the bone.
Is what I'm trying to say.
Speaker 8 (39:21):
I mean Mike bone Let alone, a guy that had
to remove And of course there's off sports stuff at USC,
with the terrible cover up with the doctor that was
molesting people for years and years, and just a lot
of bad stuff that's happened at USC because USC is
(39:43):
a very very very wealthy, very connected, private university and
it seemed like in the twenty first century they really
lost their way. This on the other hand, I mean
as an institution we're talking about, and it's a gigantic institution.
USC is not like Sierra Canyon that has one thousand,
(40:06):
one hundred kids. It's it's a massive university. It's like
thirty five thousand people graduate and undergrad.
Speaker 5 (40:14):
Maybe more so. It's uh, it's a big place and
there's a lot going on.
Speaker 8 (40:18):
So I don't want to catastrophize this controversy or whatever.
Speaker 5 (40:24):
But nothing I think has been more definitive about who's
in charge of SC, what's wrong with SC.
Speaker 8 (40:33):
A sign of the times at SC that SC is
no longer relevant, has a football program year in and
year out, that USC has lost there, that USC is impotent,
it's a program now now that the now that the
ocean has turned to yoga and I've.
Speaker 5 (40:49):
Lost my spoon. One of my favorite sayings.
Speaker 8 (40:52):
They they they have totally, they have totally lost their
identity if they're considering this, or how they're considering it,
and the way they're considering it, and who they're allowing
to make their decisions. So overall, I think for me,
(41:14):
it's a really frustrating thing. I can't say it's the
most frustrated I've ever been, because there's really been terrible
things that have happened that have been illegal, you know,
stuff that's not defensible. This, on the other hand, is
a head coach who quite literally would be fired. He
(41:35):
would have been fired if his buyout, or would be
fired and still probably will be fired if his buyout
was not so gigantic. And the fact that they are
letting that guy try to manipulate or say something or
dictate one hundred plus year old rivalry that, as I've
(41:57):
said on the show many times, transcends World Wars, transcends
the the transfer portal, transport transcends the nil, transcends conference realignment,
any of that stuff. We still have usc Notre Dame.
And the fact that Lincoln Riley, who probably should not
(42:19):
even be there. He shouldn't He shouldn't be the coach
there right now, based on his performance, what the place is.
It's just the buyout is so big that guy gets
to pull the plug on this rivalry. That guy gets
to say that USC players don't get to take the
field at Notre Dame or play Notre Dame at home
(42:39):
in November. It's not it's not right. It's it's it's
it's so far from being right that I can't believe
anybody would argue for it. And all these people talking
about modern football and things change and this is what
we need and all that, and my I mean, USC's
(43:00):
not competing. It's not like USC is going to play
in the playoffs if they just didn't have that pesky
Notre Dame game on their schedule. I mean, they can't
beat Minnesota, they can't beat Maryland. And I got to
be honest with you, if Notre Dame's on your schedule,
win or lose, it's going to help you a lot
more when you're in the Big Ten with the new
expanded playoff rules than it does scheduling Georgia State or
(43:22):
Missouri State. Who's on the schedule here in twenty twenty five,
all of that, all of that, it's just so sad
and disappointing that these very wealthy country club set type
people who have never looked through a face mask at USC,
never done anything there, never had any real connection with
(43:43):
the place, want to take the opportunity to play at
the cradle of college football in one of the most
in the most iconic program in the history of the sport,
in their stadium every other year. You're going to take
that away from a whole generation or even consider taking
that away from a whole generation of USC football players
(44:06):
because your coach is scared to compete. It's the saddest
and most it's it's really the most egregious thing I've
ever heard anybody ever consider.
Speaker 5 (44:17):
When it comes. I'd rather have a drunk coach, honestly.
Speaker 8 (44:20):
I mean, it's it's it's it's truly, it's truly an
insult to anybody who ever played the sport at USC
that this would be considered. And the fact that USC
says anything about it.
Speaker 5 (44:33):
I know, Brady, I'm sorry. I'll be done in a second.
Speaker 3 (44:36):
You're good, You're good.
Speaker 8 (44:37):
The fact that USC says anything about it other than yes,
we'd love to play the rivalry for the next thousand years.
The fact that anybody other than Jen Cohen, the USC
Athletic director, has made any kind of statement about this,
the head coach who should be fired, or some weird
(44:57):
assistant athletic director open freaking mouth about it. The only
person I want to hear from is the USC Athletic
director or the president of the school. And that person
needs to say we are going to play this for
the rest of our lives and for everybody else's lives forward,
and that is that.
Speaker 5 (45:16):
We don't want to hear anything else about. Why is
it even being.
Speaker 8 (45:18):
Discussed because Lincoln Riley, who's not good enough to be
the head coach there anymore anyway, If you really think
they're they're they're they're good and have a chance to compete.
Because Lincoln Riley is too soft to to commit to
a rivalry that everybody else that's ever coached there has
committed to. It's an absolute travesty and it makes me
(45:40):
sick to my stomach to even discuss it.
Speaker 5 (45:43):
Thank you.
Speaker 4 (45:44):
It is interesting when you bring up the history and
when you initially saw some of your statements, petros I
was thinking about just looking back on how this rivalry
has sustained through World Wars when you take into account
what it took for the teams to get across the
country train they want to train, like, like, I hear
(46:05):
this argument by a lot of USC people, in particular
on social media, who try to defend the fact that
well Notre Dame's not Well, they've.
Speaker 3 (46:14):
Never been at a conference, so this existed.
Speaker 8 (46:18):
Well, and again that's why you have That's like, why
should they be I mean, honestly, it's like saying, well,
you have this seven hundred room mansion, why don't you
move into this crappy apartment building and Marina del Rey
with the rest of us, I mean.
Speaker 5 (46:30):
Why why they don't they have their own deal with it? Right?
Speaker 4 (46:34):
Well, and then, and by the way, it's always been
that way. So it's kind of odd that now you
try to use that as justification because of the same.
Speaker 8 (46:40):
Thing they use is justification as an It makes me
it's laughable.
Speaker 3 (46:46):
I'm just about the train ride.
Speaker 4 (46:49):
The train ride back in the day, right, like they're
going for days across the country back and forth to
play one another, and nowadays they're like, well, we fly
six thousand more miles a year. It's like, all right,
let's just look back at history here and look at
how this rivalry was played out.
Speaker 3 (47:04):
Teams strut and again I'm not trying to say that.
Speaker 4 (47:07):
You know, we've come a long way since then, but
it's sustained through that, right. It lasted through snowstorms, through
whatever else they had to endure to get to one
another to play.
Speaker 3 (47:17):
So it has a bit odd.
Speaker 4 (47:18):
I do want you to play Devil's advocate though, because
one of the things is I think it's on us
to say, Okay, we'll see, did make a decision that
was for their best interest right to get paid handsomely
through the TV METEA write steal and conference still have.
Speaker 8 (47:34):
The feeling about it that they had to do that,
I mean, and it's because the pack ten for sure,
twelve was so for sure.
Speaker 4 (47:40):
So sure, So let's just look at it from Devil's advocate,
because there has been been an agreement and and look,
I'll say this, I spoke to Gen Cohen last week.
So what I do know is that what's being floated
or out about this twenty year agreement whatever else, there's
not a lot of truth of that. There's been and
you know, an idea to extend for another year. And
(48:03):
there's the thought that Southern cow would like to play
at week zero week one at the beginning of the season.
Speaker 5 (48:10):
That's a travesty.
Speaker 4 (48:11):
But and look, I'm not going to disagree with you,
but everyone feels like I'm biased because I'm an undername guy.
But what I'm saying is Notre Dame hasn't signed an
extension or signed the agreement either, And then you know,
so you could you could make that case, I guess,
make your case if.
Speaker 3 (48:27):
You can for Southern col And why this robbery should need.
Speaker 4 (48:33):
To change based on the landscape of college football where
a lot of things have changed.
Speaker 5 (48:37):
I don't understand. I just don't understand why. Why.
Speaker 8 (48:43):
The only reason it wants anybody wants it to change
or has said anything about it, is because Lincoln Riley
is too soft to play it. And there's a reason
they play in November. There's a reason they play in October.
What was last year, twenty twenty four and they played
at sc right, Yeah, so they played at Notre Dame.
Speaker 3 (49:06):
Yeah.
Speaker 8 (49:06):
So in the even years, they play at Notre Dame
in October. Because Howard Jones's wife used to want to
watch the leaves change the USC head coach and Newton
Rockney's wife had family in Los Angeles, so every other
year they would spend Thanksgiving week that week late November
(49:26):
at USC or in Los Angeles with the palm trees
in Hollywood and all that. It is not snowing in
October in South Bend. It is not a snow game.
They don't have to walk uphill in the snow both ways. Yes,
sometimes it rains and it gets a little muddy, but
it's not mundy anymore because Brian Kelly changed a feeling.
Speaker 5 (49:46):
That was a travesty as well.
Speaker 8 (49:49):
I don't look, I don't understand, other than the fact
that Lincoln Riley doesn't want to play this, why anybody
would ever even consider even moving it. If playing the
first game of the year is different than playing later
in the year USC Notre Dame does nothing but help
everybody and us. He's not competing for the playoff anyway,
(50:12):
and if they were playing Notre Dame would help them.
This is a coach that understands very little about the university.
Speaker 5 (50:20):
That he's at.
Speaker 8 (50:21):
It's a coach that understands very little about how to
make that university successful year in and year out. He's
very stubborn. He doesn't want to embrace their traditions. And
I'll say it again, if he wasn't so overpaid, he'd
be fired at this point without a doubt. So why
should anybody, I mean, why should anybody allow that guy
(50:43):
to say anything about anything or any of his ilk,
or anybody that listens to what he says at some
stupid nil meeting and goes on the internet and regurgitates
it to fight with a guy like Brady Quinn. There
is no argument to end rivalry. There is no argument,
in my opinion, to change the date of the rivalry.
(51:05):
The only thing anybody should do is say, yes, we
love this rivalry and it will continue forever. And despite
the changes in college football, the more things change, the
more some remain the same. This is who we are,
This is our identity as a university. We're such a
big deal in college football that we play an intersectional
(51:25):
rivalry every single year against the team that is the
cradle of the sport, Notre Dame. If you're too if
you're if somehow you're too important or advanced or elite
or West Coast to continue that rivalry, then let's just
scrap the football program and play flag and.
Speaker 5 (51:47):
Try to get into the Olympics.
Speaker 6 (51:50):
Petrows, I know we're up against it, But who would
embrace that idea and like those beliefs of what you
just said? Just or me? If there were a coach
that in your mind that would fit that mold, who
would that be?
Speaker 8 (52:07):
Anybody else? Anybody you know, Matt Campbell, Barry Odom, any
other coach in the world of college football. Yeah, and
maybe you get have five drinks in them and say, God,
it's tough to play Notre Dame every year? Okay, great, whatever,
You're still the coach at USC. Like you get paid
ninety million dollars on your stupid ass contract that you
(52:28):
should have never gotten because.
Speaker 5 (52:31):
You play against Notre Dame.
Speaker 8 (52:34):
You know, that's the thing about USC, And I don't
care that they're in the Big Ten now and it's
some they act like it's some giant gauntlet of death.
Speaker 5 (52:42):
You shouldn't have done it.
Speaker 8 (52:43):
Then, you know, if that, if that prevents you from
playing Notre Dame, then you're too soft to be in
the Big Ten.
Speaker 3 (52:49):
I'm so sorry that's true. That's you know, I mean,
I think you'd agree.
Speaker 4 (52:53):
Pete Carroll during that era, which I look at as
that was the greatest, you know, group of teams in
USC's history. But he would have never turned this down.
He would have never.
Speaker 5 (53:05):
No, no, and and and you know, I don't I
could talk about I'll put it this way.
Speaker 3 (53:09):
I would put that SC team up against any in
history of college football.
Speaker 5 (53:13):
Okay, Uh you know I don't. There's the way. I
mean O. J.
Speaker 8 (53:17):
Simpson and people like that, and John McKay in the
seventies a different game, I understand to tell what I'm saying,
but I mean, yeah, there are great football teams. I
covered them as closely as anybody in the world. I
used to travel with them. But uh, you look, I
mean just as scheduling. We can argue about who was
good and who was bad and all that, but scheduling wise,
(53:39):
I mean they played Arkansas, they played Virginia, they played
Kansas at Kansas State, they played at Auburn. I mean
when I played at USC, we played at Florida State.
We played everybody we possibly could. I don't understand the
(54:00):
I mean, they were never afraid of a challenge. It
was it was a way to boost the programs visibility
in the BCS era, or any era. But I mean,
I take your point, Brady. I mean, those were absolutely
dominant football teams in a dominant era of USC, and
(54:22):
they played anybody they possibly could. You could say, well, yeah,
but they were in the Pac Ten at the time.
Well okay, they would go anywhere and play anybody. They
went to Nebraska, Nebraska came here. They I mean, they
played everybody you could possibly think of.
Speaker 1 (54:37):
That.
Speaker 8 (54:37):
I mean when they played Auburn and three Auburn was
the number one team in the country and they played
at Jordan Hare. So yes, when USC is great generationally
throughout the years, and Pete Carroll of course the most
recent in everybody's memory, they have never, ever, ever, ever
shied away from anybody on a schedule. And this is
(54:59):
just it's just not This doesn't feel like USC football
at all. And if they if they try to do this, seriously,
just shake start and then just start wearing alternate uniforms,
start wearing white shoes. Let's schedule half the games. It's
so far, you know, seriously, let's just scrap the whole thing.
Speaker 2 (55:18):
I was gonna say, is a stub Up Center still open?
Speaker 5 (55:21):
Yeah, let's go play at the Dignity Health sports. Yeah. Yeah,
let's wear our jockstraps on the outside of our pants.
Speaker 2 (55:31):
Get them on X at the old pe Hughes. Petros
Papadegas the co host of the Petros and Money Show,
which you can hear on the Blowtorch AM five to
seventy LA Sports Fox college football analyst and a Wednesday
tradition here on the show, Petros, we appreciate it. We'll
do it again next week.
Speaker 5 (55:47):
I hate everybody there.
Speaker 3 (55:49):
He is there, he is other lizard. We said hello, Petros.
Speaker 8 (55:53):
Lizards doing good good better some hornworms last night, Real
Juicy
Hosts And Creators
Brady Quinn
LaVar Arrington
Jonas Knox
Popular Podcasts
Boysober
Have you ever wondered what life might be like if you stopped worrying about being wanted, and focused on understanding what you actually want? That was the question Hope Woodard asked herself after a string of situationships inspired her to take a break from sex and dating. She went "boysober," a personal concept that sparked a global movement among women looking to prioritize themselves over men. Now, Hope is looking to expand the ways we explore our relationship to relationships. Taking a bold, unfiltered look into modern love, romance, and self-discovery, Boysober will dive into messy stories about dating, sex, love, friendship, and breaking generational patterns—all with humor, vulnerability, and a fresh perspective.
On Purpose with Jay Shetty
I’m Jay Shetty host of On Purpose the worlds #1 Mental Health podcast and I’m so grateful you found us. I started this podcast 5 years ago to invite you into conversations and workshops that are designed to help make you happier, healthier and more healed. I believe that when you (yes you) feel seen, heard and understood you’re able to deal with relationship struggles, work challenges and life’s ups and downs with more ease and grace. I interview experts, celebrities, thought leaders and athletes so that we can grow our mindset, build better habits and uncover a side of them we’ve never seen before. New episodes every Monday and Friday. Your support means the world to me and I don’t take it for granted — click the follow button and leave a review to help us spread the love with On Purpose. I can’t wait for you to listen to your first or 500th episode!
Dateline NBC
Current and classic episodes, featuring compelling true-crime mysteries, powerful documentaries and in-depth investigations. Follow now to get the latest episodes of Dateline NBC completely free, or subscribe to Dateline Premium for ad-free listening and exclusive bonus content: DatelinePremium.com