June 3, 2025 • 49 mins
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
This is the best of two pros and a couple
Joe with Lamar arings and rating Win and Jonas Knox
on Boxorts Radio.
Speaker 2 (00:13):
We opened up the show talking about the latest on
Stefan Diggs. Reportedly, according to Ian Rappaport, the expectation is
they will not release Stefon Diggs, which would make some sense.
He was at OTA's wave to reporters there. Nice to
see you, guys. Uppere do not have any sort of
a pink substance with him in possession of him. While
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at OTA's Frank Ragnow has decided to call it a
career For the Detroit Lions, that's another loss for them
and everybody's kind of monitoring and tracking what is happening
in Cleveland. A very fascinating storyline where the Cleveland Browns
have decided, you know what, why just focus on one
quarterback when we can just have a bunch that all
do different things and all have different storylines. Joe Flacco
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is in his forties, trying to give it another go
here after winning a Super Bowl a few years back.
Kenny Pickett's trying to revitalize his career because things didn't
go well in Pittsburgh. But he did get a Super
Bowl with the Philadelphia Eagles. You've got Dylan Gabriel there,
who was drafted in the third round. You've got shad
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Or Sanders who was drafted in the fifth. Meanwhile, off
in the distance is Deshaun Watson. Uh, you know, rehabbing
or making another TikTok video, which I believe, by the way,
is he did they get married? Is that is that happening?
Speaker 3 (01:35):
Look like they got engaged, and so it looks like, well, hey,
you know there, you go. Listen, we listen.
Speaker 2 (01:45):
We've all uh, we've all had to overcome something, and
so it's good to see that he overcame whatever.
Speaker 3 (01:52):
Go and touch it. Yeah, I'm not going touch No,
don't worry.
Speaker 2 (01:56):
They already did so, not mary yet, Nope, just just
engaged as of right now. Okay, Well, good for them,
that's good for the for the happy couple there, and
hope everything works out for him.
Speaker 4 (02:10):
But while everyone's focused.
Speaker 2 (02:12):
On the future, in the quarterback room with the Cleveland Browns,
Dion Sanders did take time to talk about his son,
Shador Sanders and sort of the conversation and narrative that
was surrounding him going.
Speaker 4 (02:26):
Into the draft.
Speaker 2 (02:27):
And he was on the Say What needs to be
Said to podcast and he spoke about the perception and
what it did for not only Shador but also Shiloh
as well.
Speaker 5 (02:39):
The Bible says God uses the foolish things to confound
the wise. So it was some foolish stuff that went on,
but you know what, that that gave them something that
they needed, Like this gave them something that they said,
I you know that, like that, like the edge that
Tom had, Like that edge. It gave them that edge
that you had. It gave them the edge that I had,
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you know, say we're gonna be that we want to be.
We had to prove that that gave them the edge
that they needed. When you sit up there and and
say something like he went in a meeting unprepared, like dude,
chadors Anders, who's had six different coordinators, who has still
function and went up, leveled up every time we brought
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somebody new end and you're gonna.
Speaker 3 (03:22):
Tell me every situation.
Speaker 5 (03:23):
You're gonna tell me he had on headphone, chaud or
anybody know my son, I understand he's a professional. Like
he's gonna go into a meet with headphones on, like.
Speaker 4 (03:31):
YO, come home.
Speaker 2 (03:32):
So that was Dion Sanders defending his son and some
of the various reports that were out there.
Speaker 4 (03:39):
Following uh the draft slide that took place, and I mean, look,
he does.
Speaker 2 (03:48):
I was waiting for him to be more vocal about
defending his son because I think I actually expected him
to talk more openly about it. But I think he's
just sort of taken. I'm gonna take a step back.
It's my son's career. Maybe I don't want to interject
too much, but I'm calling it right now. If shaud
Or Sanders has the type of success that they believe
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that he could have, and apparently the reviews out of
OTAs have been very, very good for shaud Or Sanders,
now he's performed. If he ends up getting that starting
job and ends up playing well, Dion Sanders is going
to have something for everybody, Like he's going to have
something for everybody who questioned his son's commitment, his preparation,
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his ability, so on and so forth. Based on all
of that, I think he's just letting it marinate, letting
it all sit there, and he's going to have something
for all the naysayers and the haters out there of
shoud Or Sanders going and going through the draft process,
all right.
Speaker 3 (04:51):
What Dion said is what a parent would say about
their their child, because of parents knows their child better
than anybody else does, so I think he was speaking
from a parent perspective in that SoundBite, not from a
coach's perspective. Is what I would offer to that as
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it applies to where Shador is now and what that
situation looks like. Again, I'm going to continue to maintain
what I've maintained, and not reports, not reviews, or anything
else is going to change how I see this. It
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is an uphill battle for Shador Sanders, and for what
it's worth, it's not like like just thinking sensibly of
it and practically about it. If a kid gets drafted
in the fifth round of the draft and that very
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team took a player earlier in the draft in the
third round at the same position, it is going to
be a very very hard task for anyone take that.
Remove the name, remove the name, remove the reasonings why
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like you want you want to say, the reason why
he went in this round is because of X, Y
and Z. Remove all of those things and just look
at at look at this from a face value perspective,
you have a quarterback that's worth over two hundred and
thirty million dollars that isn't even going to be ready
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to play. You bring in two vets ahead of the draft.
One of those vets played very well for the Cleveland
Browns a year removed from that, played well in his
spot duties where he was at last year in Indy.
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Gets called to come back and to compete for the job,
and made it very clear he's going to compete for
the job in his interview he's not interested in being
a role model. Canny Pickett is like, he's the one
that's the one element, that's the one piece of this
puzzle that is the most undefined piece as it applies
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to why would you bring him? Because he wasn't successful
As he was not successful as a starter in Pittsburgh,
he took on the role of being a backup, gets
a super Bowl in Philly. But what does that lead to,
Like does his time in the league equate to him
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being prepared to now be a starter in Cleveland? I
don't think so. So your problem probably looking at Kenny
Pickett as being a backup. That's what you're probably looking
at and projecting Kenny Pickett to be I do not
think you're projecting him to be a starter for your team.
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So you bring in Joe Flacco to compete to be
the starter. Who is he competing to be the starter with?
Are we basically saying there are going to be enough reps,
which this conversation has already been had plenty of times.
There's going to be enough reps between four players to
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be able to find your way to the starting position
from the last position drafted. Now, I will say this
is daunting a task as it is for a fifth
round draft pick that has a third round draft pick
in the same exact draft class with two vets. This
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could be And this is where what when you bring
up Dion and how you say he'll have something for
everybody if if Shador Sanders pulls through and is able
to somehow defy the odds. Because this is one hundred
percent of defying of the odds situation for Shador Sanders,
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whether people want to admit that or not. That's the truth.
The faith element of this, you know, it's like the
spiritual element of this. It's such a major part of
Dion Sanders's life. It's such a major part of Shador
and the Sanders families' lives. It's it's a major part
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they're god fearing people. Well, it's it's one of those moments.
Is the one that was last going to end up
being the one that's first? You know, It's like Bob
mar really had a song and one of the lyrics
in the song was but the stone that the builder
refused shall be the head corner stone.
Speaker 6 (10:12):
Right.
Speaker 3 (10:13):
So basically, Shador Sanders, in the situation that he is
he is in, finds himself with an interesting opportunity because
if he were to become the starter, that is probably
the biggest story in all of the National Football League
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when it happens.
Speaker 4 (10:36):
And wouldn't you say that if that's the case.
Speaker 2 (10:39):
And he ends up being as good as Dion thinks
he's going to be, and he ends up giving Dion
the opportunity to shout and talk about you guys were wrong,
so on, it doesn't that call into question the draft
process and evaluation process of everybody else who did pass
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on him, because if the if the idea was well,
we passed on him not because of maybe skill set,
but more how he acted in meetings and how he
came across why. I can understand that to a point,
but five rounds, there's going to be.
Speaker 3 (11:18):
A lot of people come out. Mel Kiper's going to
come out thumping. There's going to be a lot of
people that come out and have something to say. If
it plays out where Shador Sanders ends up being a
superstar and you know, in Cleveland, I would just ask
the question, Lee. Look it up. How many fifth round
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draft pick quarterbacks end up starting their rookie year.
Speaker 2 (11:43):
I can think of one off the top of my head.
Who Kyle Orton due to injury? I mean, that was
that was due to injury and he had to play.
I'm pretty sure he was a fifth round pick if
I'm not mistaken, But.
Speaker 4 (11:58):
That was, you know, that was. I don't know that.
It's not like he won the job. That was due
to injury.
Speaker 2 (12:06):
He had, he had an opportunity to play and going
there and the second that Rex Grossman was back, they
made the move to go to Grossman, so that I
didn't even think that this was a him.
Speaker 4 (12:18):
Just winning the job outright. But other than that, it's.
Speaker 3 (12:21):
I can't I can't think of. According to ESPN's mel
Kiper Junior, none of the QB's picked in the fifth
round have become regular starters over the last thirty years.
I just don't. Again, I hate to be the one
that kind of injects some just logic to the scenario.
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But it's a daunting task, man, and it's a task
that won't It just doesn't seem like that'll work out.
Speaker 2 (12:54):
And correction, Kyler was taken to the fourth round, fourth round,
not the fit.
Speaker 3 (12:59):
And for what it's worth, how did his career go?
Speaker 2 (13:03):
Well?
Speaker 4 (13:03):
Was it not bad? You know?
Speaker 1 (13:05):
Well?
Speaker 3 (13:05):
How long did he make it in? How long was
he a starter for?
Speaker 4 (13:08):
Uh?
Speaker 3 (13:09):
I remember him being pretty good out of Purdue. It
was a really good quarterback at produe, like really good.
Speaker 4 (13:14):
He ended up playing nine years.
Speaker 3 (13:16):
It's not bad. Yeah, how many did he start?
Speaker 2 (13:19):
He had eighty two starts in nine years, forty two
and forty record, one hundred and one touchdown, sixty nine picks.
Speaker 3 (13:29):
Yeah, I mean, I just hate the round pick. I
hate to be the bearer of bad news fifth round
draft picks. It's just it's especially again, especially with a
third round draft pick in the mix, it's not enough, Like,
how can you sit here and people say we're going
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to justify downgrading and downplaying the fact that Dylan Gabriel
is the third round draft pick for this like Dylan
Gabriel is a non factor in the conversation.
Speaker 2 (14:03):
All right, So let me ask you this. If we're
talking about quarterbacks drafted by a team in the same
draft at different points in the draft. You were in
Washington when they took RG three and then took Kirk
Cousins later in the draft, what was the conversation like,
Because I remember at the time when they did that, thinking, well,
that's interesting. That seems a little uh, it seems kind
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of interesting that that's how that would play out. This
is third and fifth, so it's a little different. But
that was also a situation in a scenario where I
don't know if anybody got the feeling going into it
that maybe Kirk Cousins had a real shot or if
this was just a best player available.
Speaker 3 (14:42):
But that was a debate day one, and it was
a debate day one because of all of this dysfunction
that was taking place in Washington. And that was one
of those deals where it was like one of the
picks was Shanahan's and one of the pick was was
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Dan Snyder's. And from what I heard it was a
matter of he was an insurance policy to RG three.
I don't remember it off the top of my head,
but I feel like I feel like it wasn't Kirk
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Cousins was the insurance policy based off of if RG
three was going to be able to do it at
the pro level. Like that that was how how I
got it, Like somebody, somebody didn't want to take RG three.
I just don't remember off the top of my head.
I don't want to mess it up, but I would
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assume I would assume that kirk Cousins would have been
the one that the Shanahans wanted. I would have assumed.
I would assume that, But I could be wrong.
Speaker 4 (15:55):
What's that supposed to mean?
Speaker 3 (15:56):
Well, I think people felt like some people felt like
Kirk Cousins came in with more of a skill set
that would fit what the Shanahan's offense. What it was. Wow, Wow,
RG three was more of a you know, more of
a mobile quarterback.
Speaker 2 (16:15):
I do wonder on that point, because listen, we don't
know who's going to be the quarterback. I mean, we're
you know, we can kind of speculate. I think it's
going to be Flacco. We don't know who the starter
is going to be. We know Deshaun Watson still got
more time left on his deal, whatever the hell happens there, Like,
the one thing that we do know is if the
Browns are bad again this year, Kevin Stefanski's probably gone,
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like this is probably it. And I just wonder Stefanski,
which is why I believe he's going to ultimately go
with Joe Flacco as a starter, because he looks at
this and goes, Man, if I have another bad year,
I'm out, yes, and I got to save my job.
And I just wonder how he felt about the decision
to take another quarterback with my fifth round pick after
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we just took one in the third, whether he looks
at that and goes, look, I need all the help
I can get. We can only start one quarterback. What
are we doing? Like, what's what's the plan here? Because look,
you you saw the faces in the room and they made.
Speaker 3 (17:21):
The decision no real real emotion, So you know.
Speaker 2 (17:25):
I mean, maybe this, Maybe this is another example of
Jimmy HASLM getting involved and being like, well, I like
the storyline, much like maybe Dan Snyder got involved in
wanting to take RG three.
Speaker 3 (17:38):
When he did.
Speaker 4 (17:39):
I mean, they're just it's still is a strange.
Speaker 6 (17:42):
Move to me.
Speaker 3 (17:44):
Was a huge success though, Yeah, and they had and
they had great success with him. He was the rookie
of the year. RG three just got hit by a
sledgehammer and a steam engine by the name of Hellodi
not and and Dangaire knocked his leg off of his body.
I've seen it with my own two eyes. It was
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an injury. It was an injury that that allowed for
as you mentioned with Kyle Orton, it was an injury
that allowed for for Kirk Cousins to get the opportunity
to even play. It wasn't in the cards. It wasn't.
It wasn't set up for kirk Cousins to be a starter.
He was going to be a backup until he probably
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left in free agency and went somewhere else after he
was done in Washington. It just happened to be. You know,
RG three injured his knee and couldn't stay healthy after that.
Like literally, he could not stay healthy after he injured
his knee in that in that playoff game. So it
was it was an opportunistic moment for Kirk Cousins. Does
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that opportunity come for for Shador Sanders, it's it's to
me if it plays out where again, like Q isn't
here to say it, but we've said it enough. If
one of these guys doesn't get the starting job, are
they really gonna actually ask to be released to go
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somewhere else? Like to me, I don't see how that
makes sense. If I'm Kenny Pickett, if I'm on this
roster and I'm set to be a backup on this
roster to an old ass Joe Flacco, why would I
ask for Why would I ask for a release to
go somewhere else? And what's the guarantee that you're gonna
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get picked up by another team that's gonna put you
in a situation that could be as advantageous as the
one you're in right now? How has that happened? So,
if I'm Kenny Pickett, I'm not asking for a release.
I'm gonna I'm gonna play my role as the backup
until I get an opportunity. There's two ways I can
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get on this field right now. One Joe Flacco doesn't
hold up. Two Joe Flacco doesn't play well. That's how
I can get on the field. So I'm gonna just
buy my time. But as it applies to the two rookies,
I'm just I cannot I cannot rest logic on the
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idea that a fifth rounder is going to outperform and
play and get enough time and enough reps to outperform
the third rounder. The third rounder is going to be
given the reps, the backup is going to be given
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the reps, and the starter is going to get the
lion's share of the reps. So I don't see how
the odd man out is the fifth round pick. They're
going to have to play him because he's the on
Oh he's e'sha door Sanders, and the situation is what
it is, but it's it's got to be considered a
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long shot for him to be able to make this
meteoric rise up the depth chart to being the starting
quarterback in Cleveland like that, to me, it's a pipe dream,
if I'm being totally honest.
Speaker 2 (21:15):
And if you just take a step back and look
at it, it all goes back to ground zero, which
is everybody's been putting a tough spot. So Kevin Stefanski's
been putting a tough spot, Joe Flacco's been putt in
a tough spot. Kenny Pickett's been putting a tough spot.
Shod Or Sanders and Dylan Gabriel been putting a tough spot,
and they've all been putt in a tough spot because
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Deshaun Watson put everybody in a tough spot.
Speaker 4 (21:40):
And it was Jimmy.
Speaker 2 (21:41):
Haslam who put everybody involved in the tough spot by
making the move to bring in to Shaun Watson and
it failing completely from the get go, Like it just
so now they're just sort of scrambling to try and
figure out what direction to go, and they've got a
bunch of the same thing all in the room and
everyone looking around and going, Okay, I guess this is
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how we're doing it.
Speaker 4 (22:04):
It's just it's bizarre, man, really.
Speaker 3 (22:08):
All if all this and that and the way things
have been handled leads to Shador Sanders starting as the
starting quarterback of the Cleveland Browns at face value, it
will be the biggest story in all of the NFL,
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and good luck to him. Like it's a great situation
in the sense that if you're a fifth rounder, this
would be the situation I would want to be in.
Like you got an old man, you got a backup unproven,
and he Shador probably feels like he's a better ball
player than Dylan Gabriel. So but Dylan Gabriel is a baller,
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and maybe he's undersized, but the dude's a baller. He
won the Big Ten, made it to the college playoffs,
like was a successful quarter back in college. Like like,
let's not downplay Dylan Gabriel for the sake of, you know,
trying to hype up, you know, Shador Sanders, Like, let's
see who wins the job.
Speaker 1 (23:12):
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Speaker 2 (23:26):
Kyle Pitts, the tight end for the Atlanta Falcons, is
dealing with a little bit of an issue, and Raheem Morris,
Raheem Morris, he actually spoke about Kyle Pitts and not
being available dealing with some sort of an undisclosed injury
yesterday at OTA's extremely.
Speaker 7 (23:47):
Cautious with Kyle right now and what's got what's got
going on? Obviously, you know, talk about injuries this time
of year, but definitely being cautious with them so you
won't see him. He's been here. He's done such a
great job of all stuff that we'd asked him. He's
been in every single meeting, he's been in every single
thing that we've done other than the field, and he's
been absolutely outstanding to be around.
Speaker 2 (24:09):
Yeah, it's interesting, all of a sudden, an undisclosed injury
for Kyle Pitts. And then you look around and you go, gosh,
sure are a lot of trade rumors involving Kyle Pitts
around the league, A guy who was drafted very high
but just hasn't quite lived up, even though he's shown
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flashes to his potential there in Atlanta.
Speaker 4 (24:34):
And I just wonder, is.
Speaker 2 (24:36):
This undisclosed injury that he's dealing with code for Well,
we just don't want to get him hurt before we
end up trading the guy. And we're having conversations with people.
Maybe he's got the uh. Maybe this is the hyper
extended trade bait injury that's going on here. Maybe that's
what it is. Because I don't buy for one second
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that Kyle Pitts has got some sort of an undis
closed injury. I think the Atlanta Falcons are trying to
make a deal and they're just keeping him out of
harm's way so they can execute this deal sooner rather
than later.
Speaker 4 (25:10):
What do you think of that?
Speaker 3 (25:10):
Bar Uh, it's not a horrible it's not a horrible theory.
Speaker 4 (25:18):
Can I get a little bit of an endorsement?
Speaker 3 (25:20):
It's not a horrible theory. I'll say this full awareness.
His contract does run out this year, and I think
that it's a matter of getting a contract extension done
at the least an extension or a new contract deal
done before you start putting him out there. I think
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it might be as simple as that. So you think
it's more of an extension and not it's a negotiation.
I mean, he's speaking very highly of him, and listen,
Rahiem is a players coach. The players love him. He's
a relatable dude. So he's not going to say anything
crazy about col Pits unless it was really necessary. So
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it could be a smoke screen to be able to
keep his value high and maybe see that a trade
suitor would would jump at it. I mean, there's certainly
people that could use him, there's teams that could use
use his services. But I think that he would be
one hundred percent valued as an Atlanta Falcon. And you
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know he doesn't have a contract beyond this year. His
contract runs.
Speaker 4 (26:28):
Out, so you think he's going to get a deal.
Speaker 3 (26:30):
I think he's going to get a deal. His sticks
picks bam.
Speaker 4 (26:36):
I think he's going to get traded.
Speaker 3 (26:39):
I mean they picked line, they picked up his they
picked up his fifth year option in twenty four in April,
they picked up his fifth year option. So I just
you know, I think he's going to he wants a deal.
I think he'll redo a deal. I think that that's
what they're waiting on it. They'll have a deal done.
Speaker 2 (26:58):
By the way, one of the great fantasy football team
of all time as Kyle Pitts. You just assume he's
going to put up monster numbers and for some reason
it has not worked out. It is just not panned
out the way everybody thought it was. So we'll keep
you posted. But those are our picks, calling our shot
and Kyle Pitts.
Speaker 1 (27:14):
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Speaker 2 (27:25):
We welcome in the man himself a Tuesday tradition. He
is Pete Prisco Senior NFL calumnist for CBS Sports. He's
a CBS Sports HQ analyst and you can get him
on X at Prisco CBS Pete, good morning, how are
we feeling?
Speaker 3 (27:40):
Good morning?
Speaker 6 (27:41):
Oh, Brady Quinn today? Huh?
Speaker 3 (27:42):
Now?
Speaker 6 (27:43):
Or next week or the week after?
Speaker 3 (27:45):
Keep going, keeping, keep going going.
Speaker 6 (27:50):
We're going going. How long.
Speaker 3 (27:54):
He's going to be on an enter jazzer, bunny break?
Speaker 6 (27:56):
You know how long?
Speaker 3 (27:59):
A little while at.
Speaker 6 (28:02):
Wile You know what, LeVar, You get a lot of
airtime that way. Then, because I know Brady, I know
Brady Brady. You know, we used to call it like
Brady would intercept. It would go okay, the host would
say something, then Brady would say something, and then it'd
come to me or whoever on the end. And then
always before it went back to the host, Brady had
intercept it and make his final points. You know what
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I mean. He never played he never played dB in
his life, but he always knew how to intercept when
he was when it comes to sit on the deck,
I'll tell you that right now. You know what I say, LeVar,
what's good for me is good for me, and so
Brady's not there, it's good for you. You get more air.
Speaker 3 (28:43):
Right, So, Pete, I got like listening to Jonas, you know,
that's all Pete.
Speaker 2 (28:49):
I got to ask you a I got to ask
you a question because I wanted you to just further
explain something that you put on social media. I was
looking at one are your tweets from from Pete Prisco
Prisco CBS on X quote, it's that time of the year.
Every player at OTA's is in the best shape of
his life. Every surgery they had has been a success.
(29:10):
They are all ready to take the next step. And
even lollipop throws on air make this app droole. It's
boys of summertime, no pads, no tell I mean, what
sets you off in that direction?
Speaker 6 (29:24):
Because every single day on Twitter or x every single day,
somebody is getting lauded for the way they look, or
how great or shape they're in, or this through they
put the video of a throw. Look at this guy,
he's throwing great, He's throwing one on one with nobody
covering anybody. I mean, give me a break. And so
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it's just always been that way. I remember way back
in the day when I covered the Jaguars in the nineties,
this guy showed up and he was a wide receiver
and he came in and he was making all these
plays and he's talking all this smack, and then the
veterans came in. They said, wait, we get them in pads.
And as soon as you got him pads, he disappeared.
And so I just think that we get so enamored
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with what's going on, and the reality is you can't
read anything into this. Nobody can hit, nobody can get
real physical. We don't know what they're doing because you
don't know if and I have many a quarterback when
I traveled around my training camp tours and talking to
guys and saying, look, if I don't know why they
chart passes in training camp, I might work on something
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here where I wouldn't even do it in a game,
just to see if it might work and if it's intercepted,
oh well, And yet here we are charting plays. I
saw the other day at a Cleveland Browns camp they
charted the throws of the quarterbacks. What are we doing?
Speaker 3 (30:44):
It's crazy, they say, look like Tarzan Gang like Jane
that was.
Speaker 6 (30:54):
You know, LeVar you know how it is. And by
the way, and by the way, having said all that,
I'm gonna be at Bucksmith of Ota practice today was
here go get it.
Speaker 3 (31:04):
Think another Bucks practice. There's a Sanders on the Bucks team,
so that'd be interesting to see how you know he's performing.
But I guess I want to ask you, Pete in
terms of am I wrong? You know, the coach Dion
Sanders came out, had to say what he had to
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say about the situation with with Shador Am I wrong
for saying? Can we take the name out of the pick?
You're the fourth or fourth? I would want to say
fourth pick of the fifth round? There was a quarterback
taken in the third round they brought into free agents.
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There's Deshaun Watson. That's like whatever his situation is? Am
I wrong for saying? If you take out and you
remove the name from that fifth round pick? What is
the likelihood of a fifth rounder surpassing a third rounder
that's first, first, and foremost, which is the largest one,
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that's the biggest one. How does a fifth rounder overtake
a third rounder for one and then two? How does
a fifth rounder overtake that third rounder then overtake the
backup then overtake the starter to become the starter of
the team. How I mean, if you take the name
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away from it and you look at it at its
bare minimum and exercise common sense, it doesn't make any sense. Pete,
Can you make it make sense for me? How should
we be looking at this Because to me, I'm not
going to look at it as it's Shador Sanders. I'm
going to look at it as this was a fifth
round draft pick. What are his his you know, possibilities
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in terms of being a player on this team.
Speaker 6 (32:57):
And I can guarantee you LeVar sentence exactly how the
Cleveland Browns are looking at it. I mean you made
the point. Look, Dylan Gabriel is picked in the third
round ahead of him for a reason. They clearly thought
he was a better prospect and a better player and
had the attention to be a better quarterback. Now that's
not to sit here and say that mishad Or Sanders
can't go in there and now play them. He can
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and he has that opportunity. But when you look at
it on the surface, if his name wasn't Sanders and
it was something else, he'd be a fifth round pick
that everybody would sit there and say, oh, boy, I
hope he plays well enough to maybe even make the team.
That's the reality of it. And now they're talking about,
like you said, going past Dylan Gabriel, going past Picket,
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going past Joe Flacco. I mean, let's get real. And sometimes,
you know, we put so much into this stuff before
the process, and when the guy goes in the fifth round,
everybody goes, oh, he got it. Nobody they didn't draft
him because of his dad. They didn't draft them because
of this. They didn't draft them because it fits around,
because that's what they thought of them. You know, I
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was on with a guy when they did draft him,
one of our analysts, and he said, oh, they got
one over on Pittsburgh. I said, they got one over
on Pittsburgh. If Pittsburgh wanted them, they could have drafted
him anytime they wanted to. Nobody wanted to pick him
until the fifth round. And that's why the fifth round
pick period.
Speaker 2 (34:19):
He is Pete Prisco joining us here on Fox Sports Radio,
CBS Sports HQ analyst, also a columnist for CBS Sports
as well too, and you can get him on ex
at Prisco CBS. All right, so then let me ask
you this because Russell Wilson, speaking of Pittsburgh, was the
Steelers quarterback last year. He goes on with this podcast
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with Carmelo Anthony. He's talking about all the reasons that
he liked the Giants. You know, he's familiar with the
locker room because that's where he won a super Bowl
at MetLife. Malik neighbors Brian Dayball and his you know,
his acumen when it comes to calling plays as an
offensive mind. Isn't though, the real reason that he's in
New York with the Giants because the Steelers didn't want
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him anymore.
Speaker 6 (35:04):
Nor did anybody else except for the Giants. I mean,
let's be real. And by the way, the whole locker
room thing, give me a break. I won a super
Bowl there, so I'm familiar with it. Well that's why
you went there, Come on, But he said some of
the weirdest stuff. It makes no sense to me. He
went there because they gave him an opportunity to play
and be a quarterback on their team. And maybe not
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for the long haul, but for right away he will
be probably be their starting quarterback on opening day. And
so that's why you went there. Why can't you just
say that. Why can't I just be honest about it.
I didn't have a lot of opportunities elsewhere. The Steelers
didn't want me back, and I decided to go to
the Giants. And that's fine, that's what you did. But
don't say it's because of the locker room and you
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had elite neighbors and everything else. They wanted you. You
came to a deal, you went there. It had nothing
to do with anything else.
Speaker 3 (35:55):
Pete bringing that fult today.
Speaker 4 (35:58):
I mean, let's what did Russell Wilson do to you, Peet?
Speaker 6 (36:04):
Nothing? I just I just I just always look, I look,
I'll be honest with you. Back in the day, I
always thought he was a little overrated. And uh and
and you know, I kind of stood in that hill
and he had a couple of good years and people
came back at me, and and then the reality is
is he has been overrated. So just you are what
you are. You know, look, he's a good, solid quarterback.
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I never thought he was a great quarterback. And so sometimes,
like I say, he had the top scoring defense in
the league four straight years in Seattle. You know, the
last team to do that was the fifties dynasty of
the Browns. I mean, it makes playing quarterback a lot easier.
And and based on that, one time I went around
asking a lot of quarterbacks that summer, what would you
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rather have the top rank scoring defense, or or two
good wide receivers, And every single one of them said
the top rank.
Speaker 3 (36:53):
Scoringah, it makes your life easier, absolutely. Pete uh speaking
of top scoring, what's your take on Stephan diggs Man? Like,
start wherever you want to start, and wherever you like,
you know, you take it how you want to take it.
Speaker 4 (37:09):
Come on, come on, tucy man, come.
Speaker 6 (37:12):
On, come on, what is he doing? First off, why
would you even be around if that is indeed what
that was? And we don't know that's what it was.
It sure looked like it. But if it was, why
even be around it? I mean, they you know, if
he was not doing it, which is you know, probably
maybe he did. Maybe he'll testament find out. But why
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would you if that's what that was, why would you
be in your even be around it? It makes no sense.
Why would you be the one handing it out? I
don't get it. And I know, look, you get caught
up in the in the whole Hollywood lifestyle and whatever,
and and you get two enamored into that and maybe, maybe,
just maybe he wasn't doing it. He just got caught
(37:53):
up in and handed it off. Who knows, But he's
got to be better than that. And not only that,
you're coming off the thirty one and you're coming off
a major injury, I mean thirty one and coming off
a major injury wide receiver is never a good thing.
It's never a good thing when you have stuff going
on as well. So it was an ugly look for him,
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h you know, And should it have happened? No, But again,
we don't know what that was. We have an idea
you think it is, but we I'm you know, I've
never seen that stuff, and neither of any of you,
I would imagine, So I just you know, who knows.
And by the way, I did do research on it,
just to look it up. It didn't cocaine. You know,
(38:37):
people think it's pink cocaine. That's not what it is.
Speaker 2 (38:39):
Well, I was going to ask your pete, like when
whatever you do to see like, what are the side effects?
Speaker 4 (38:43):
Is it similar to what you know?
Speaker 6 (38:45):
All right, party all night and get up the next
day and do it all over again. I mean, it's
like you know, no, I read, I read, I read,
I read what it was. You know what it is.
It's it's like some synthetic drug that has ketamine in
it and like Molly, and it keeps you up all
night partying and everything else. And I just don't know.
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I don't understand why he would even be around that.
It makes no sense to me. So, I mean, I
could see when he gave it away. I saw how
happy is his audience was, so maybe that had something
to do with it. But I just don't understand why
he would even be around that. And by the way,
I want to see how the Patriots handle this, because
remember it's Mike Rabel. It's a whole new regime, and
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you know they're not going to tolerate anything. Well, we'll see,
because he wandered onto the practice field yesterday and didn't
seem like there are any repercussions, did there.
Speaker 2 (39:37):
Jordan Schultz's buddy Ian Rappafort said that they're not expected
to release Stefon Diggs. You know, they don't expect for
him to get cut or anything like that.
Speaker 3 (39:47):
So I don't know.
Speaker 6 (39:48):
I wouldn't, no, I wouldn't. But the only thing that
would get him cut would be if he didn't look
like Stefan Diggs. Yeah, that's real. I mean that the
reality is, you know. And look, he was in Buffalo.
He was a pain of the ass. And I can
tell you this from being there and last summer they
were thought it was additioned by subtraction. When he was gone,
I mean, he became, you know, a guy that wanted
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the ball all the time, and Josh Allen would you know,
lock in on him and he'd hear it from him
all the time. And not that they didn't have a
good relationship, because they liked each other. But that gets
annoying after a while, and then it bleeds over to
the other receivers. I mean, go back to Gabe Davis,
by the way, go back to Gave Davis in that
playoff game against the Chiefs way back in the day.
Remember how he looked like he was going to be
an emerging star. Yea, Well, well what happened to him? Well,
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you know, I think he got Digs a little bit.
I think he got into that, you know, in the
fact that he was like, you know, I thought he
had arrived and he didn't. And so he goes to Jacksonville,
and you know, gets heavy, he got hurt a little bit,
and one of the same player now he's out there,
and so I think sometimes, you know, you like having
a wide receiver who wants the ball. And by the way,
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they all want the ball. I mean, you know, I
go back to when I covered Jacksonville back to day
they had Jimmy Smith. It was a great, great, great,
great receiver who would have been a Hall of Famer
if his career and did derailed by you know, failed tests.
And Keenan McCardell. And Keenan was great too, And I
used to tell Keenan, I go, you're meaning because he
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wanted the ball time. Then he went to Tampa and
it was keys Sean and Keenan and they won the
Super Bowl. And I always used to say it was
me Sean and Meanan playing wide.
Speaker 3 (41:27):
Hey, howing Jimmy Smith together was pretty wild though. That
was pretty much.
Speaker 6 (41:33):
God they were. They were fantastic. Keenan McCardell, by the way,
now the wide receiver coach who but who actually was
there when a big part of Stephan Diggs development is
a wide receiver coach of the Minnesota Viking's one of
the best in the business. Uh, and he still would
complain about not getting the football.
Speaker 2 (41:50):
That's the coach, Pete, Pete, I want to ask you
because this seems like a bunch of crap to me.
Kyle Pitts has an undisclosed injury and is not working
out with the Atlanta Falcons. And I think they're keeping
him safe because they're trying to trade him.
Speaker 3 (42:09):
What say you?
Speaker 6 (42:11):
They are trying to trade him and uh, but you
know what, there there's I don't think there's going to
be as a robust to market as they think it
might be out there. And look, everybody thought Kyle Pitts
had the tools, the talent, the skills to be a
big time tight end in this league. But he's not tough.
Let's be real. I mean that that's the knock on
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him around the league. He's not tough, and that they
concerned about that, and so I want you want to
you know, he gets knocked around a little bit and
that's that's that's the knock on him around the league.
And so yeah, I don't think he has an injury.
I think they're sitting him on the sideline and uh
and letting them hope somebody makes a move. To go
get him. And and by the way, there's some guys
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that you know, Jalen Ramsey's sitting there to be traded too.
I mean, Miami totally bots Miami boughts that situation. Miami did.
Miami gave him a new contract last year, then paid
them a four million dollar roster bonus in March, and
now they want to trade them. Miami's a disaster that team.
They gave out all these extensions last year, threw them
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around like nothing, and they're a disaster. And now Jalen
Ramsey is sitting there. Who's going to trade for Jalen
Ramsey in that contract unless Miami eats a bunch of it?
And will they be willing to eat a bunch of it?
Speaker 3 (43:26):
Yeah? H Pete. Did you see the question that was
asked to the receiver and Jamar Chase and Cincinnati about
preseason and the correlation of slow starts based off of
this new trend of how preseasons are being handled, Like
what what do you subscribe to?
Speaker 6 (43:48):
Like?
Speaker 3 (43:48):
What was your takeaway on that? Because to me, I've
always felt like preseason is a necessary evil. You gotta
feel what it feels like to tackle, you gotta feel
what it feels like to beled. You got to feel
what that the physicality of the game feels like in
order to get yourself ready for the regular season. Now,
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I say that limited, right, first, first game limited, you know,
second game a little more. Third game you've you've played
into the second half and then you know you come out.
Now there's not the same amount of games anymore. But
what's your take on on how the preseason should be
handled by these pros and these coaches.
Speaker 6 (44:30):
You're one hundred percent spot on. By the way, they
don't hit in camp anymore, barely. They don't tackle in
camp ever. And so if you don't play in the preseason,
by the time you play an opening week, that's the
first time you're having any contact or tackling. And that's
why if you look at the tackling in the first
month of the season, horrible. And they can do all
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the drills they want on angles, and you know they
have dummies and electronic dummies they work on angles. Give
me a break, it's not the same. And you played
the game of our you know that you got to hit,
got to be and I think you know they've gotten
away from that. The fear of injury is become magnified
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to the point where they're not getting the good fundamentals
in and I think it's hurtinged the gate. I mean,
when was the last time you've gone to a practice
in training camp and watched nine on seven the middle drill.
They don't do it anymore.
Speaker 3 (45:28):
They don't.
Speaker 6 (45:28):
Nobody lined up on the goal line and hits nobody.
It's it's minimal hitting, it's pass and tapping. But I'm
talking about a full on hitting drill. They don't do it.
And then so then they wonder what's wrong with the
offensive line. Well, offensive lines have to work together and
again go back to the dummies. You can work a
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double team to the next level when you're working against
the dummy or your fellow offensive linemen who's standing there
like a load of a lump of you know, large there,
and you can get to them easily instead of a
two hundred and eighty pounds defensive tackle who can move.
Let's see how you handle that when you're trying to
get off him. Hope, you're you know, you're the tackle.
You get off him, get to the next level and
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you think your guard has them handled, but he's quick enough.
The nights through and make the play. You don't know
how you're going to handle that, And so I think
that all the fundamentals of football have gone out the
window because we're so protective of the players now. Sometimes
you need to just go hit, you need to just
go tackle, and if you're not going to do it
in the preseason, you have to find a way to
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do it somewhere, because I think when you get the
Week one and you have it tackled and you haven't
been hit, and you haven't been jammed at the line
of scrimmage and thrown to the ground, I think that's
where we're losing a lot of the good football early
in the season.
Speaker 2 (46:45):
Pete, before I let you go, just wanted to get
a prediction from you. Obviously, the your Florida Panthers are
taking on my Edmonton Oilers, and I know Lebar and
I are big Oilers fans, so I just wanted to
know how you thought that's you are?
Speaker 3 (46:59):
Yeah, Bar and I.
Speaker 6 (47:00):
Both No, you're not. LeVar is not LeVar is not it.
LaVar is not an Edmonton Oiler. Say he couldn't name
one player on it.
Speaker 3 (47:10):
Penn and Caps, give me, give me, give.
Speaker 6 (47:13):
Me, give me an Edmonton oiler player, LeVar.
Speaker 3 (47:15):
I told you I'm Pins and Caps, I'm Penguins, okay.
Speaker 6 (47:18):
But you still shouldn't be able to give me an
ed You still should be able to give me an
Edmonnton oiler player.
Speaker 3 (47:23):
No, I shouldn't. I don't, I don't watch.
Speaker 6 (47:26):
He's the best player in the world.
Speaker 3 (47:28):
Connor McDavis, I'm today years old when I knew that,
today years old.
Speaker 6 (47:34):
He's the best player to work And Jony, you're not
You're not, You're not a Edmonton oiler.
Speaker 3 (47:39):
No.
Speaker 4 (47:40):
Yeah, I'm just trying to get you get your okay.
By the way, bitting fire.
Speaker 6 (47:44):
Off, how long has it been since Canada won a
Stanley Cup?
Speaker 4 (47:49):
Was it ninety three? Was it the Canadians last time.
Speaker 6 (47:51):
It's been a long, long, long, long time. And you
know what, it's going to be another long, long year
because Florida is a better team. They're tougher, they're more physical,
and we saw last year what happens when you're physical
that the Edmonton Oilers team, they go hide and they're
going to beat him up. No, Zach Heyman is big
for Edmonton. Uh And the depth of the Florida Panthers
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is way too much and they beat him up, they'll
beat him in six six games, not gonna go seven
this time around to beat him in six.
Speaker 2 (48:21):
Look at that hockey analysis, Pete, Prisco there, I will.
Speaker 6 (48:25):
Tell you about Kinner. The goalie has been playing well.
I'm a little he's played well for for Edmonton. But
you know what, before he started playing really well, he
was going really bad. So I think he's gonna gave
a chance to go really rotten. And Lebroston never goes.
Speaker 4 (48:40):
Are you going to get to a You're going to
get to a game in Sunrise? There, Pete? You get
a ticket too?
Speaker 6 (48:44):
Maybe because I'm going out to training camp, I mean
the mini camp next week, so I don't know. Maybe,
but I will definitely be glued to every single one
of them. I love it. I can't wait.
Speaker 2 (48:54):
There he is, get him on x at Prisco, CBS,
your NFL Calumnist, the CBS Sports CB Economy.
Speaker 6 (49:01):
That's in the world of our Connommicavid.
Speaker 3 (49:04):
I won't remember people will I will not use my
my brain cells to commit that to memory.
This is the best of two pros and a couple
Joe with Lamar arings and rating Win and Jonas Knox
on Boxorts Radio.
Speaker 2 (00:13):
We opened up the show talking about the latest on
Stefan Diggs. Reportedly, according to Ian Rappaport, the expectation is
they will not release Stefon Diggs, which would make some sense.
He was at OTA's wave to reporters there. Nice to
see you, guys. Uppere do not have any sort of
a pink substance with him in possession of him. While
(00:34):
at OTA's Frank Ragnow has decided to call it a
career For the Detroit Lions, that's another loss for them
and everybody's kind of monitoring and tracking what is happening
in Cleveland. A very fascinating storyline where the Cleveland Browns
have decided, you know what, why just focus on one
quarterback when we can just have a bunch that all
do different things and all have different storylines. Joe Flacco
(01:00):
is in his forties, trying to give it another go
here after winning a Super Bowl a few years back.
Kenny Pickett's trying to revitalize his career because things didn't
go well in Pittsburgh. But he did get a Super
Bowl with the Philadelphia Eagles. You've got Dylan Gabriel there,
who was drafted in the third round. You've got shad
(01:20):
Or Sanders who was drafted in the fifth. Meanwhile, off
in the distance is Deshaun Watson. Uh, you know, rehabbing
or making another TikTok video, which I believe, by the way,
is he did they get married? Is that is that happening?
Speaker 3 (01:35):
Look like they got engaged, and so it looks like, well, hey,
you know there, you go. Listen, we listen.
Speaker 2 (01:45):
We've all uh, we've all had to overcome something, and
so it's good to see that he overcame whatever.
Speaker 3 (01:52):
Go and touch it. Yeah, I'm not going touch No,
don't worry.
Speaker 2 (01:56):
They already did so, not mary yet, Nope, just just
engaged as of right now. Okay, Well, good for them,
that's good for the for the happy couple there, and
hope everything works out for him.
Speaker 4 (02:10):
But while everyone's focused.
Speaker 2 (02:12):
On the future, in the quarterback room with the Cleveland Browns,
Dion Sanders did take time to talk about his son,
Shador Sanders and sort of the conversation and narrative that
was surrounding him going.
Speaker 4 (02:26):
Into the draft.
Speaker 2 (02:27):
And he was on the Say What needs to be
Said to podcast and he spoke about the perception and
what it did for not only Shador but also Shiloh
as well.
Speaker 5 (02:39):
The Bible says God uses the foolish things to confound
the wise. So it was some foolish stuff that went on,
but you know what, that that gave them something that
they needed, Like this gave them something that they said,
I you know that, like that, like the edge that
Tom had, Like that edge. It gave them that edge
that you had. It gave them the edge that I had,
(02:59):
you know, say we're gonna be that we want to be.
We had to prove that that gave them the edge
that they needed. When you sit up there and and
say something like he went in a meeting unprepared, like dude,
chadors Anders, who's had six different coordinators, who has still
function and went up, leveled up every time we brought
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somebody new end and you're gonna.
Speaker 3 (03:22):
Tell me every situation.
Speaker 5 (03:23):
You're gonna tell me he had on headphone, chaud or
anybody know my son, I understand he's a professional. Like
he's gonna go into a meet with headphones on, like.
Speaker 4 (03:31):
YO, come home.
Speaker 2 (03:32):
So that was Dion Sanders defending his son and some
of the various reports that were out there.
Speaker 4 (03:39):
Following uh the draft slide that took place, and I mean, look,
he does.
Speaker 2 (03:48):
I was waiting for him to be more vocal about
defending his son because I think I actually expected him
to talk more openly about it. But I think he's
just sort of taken. I'm gonna take a step back.
It's my son's career. Maybe I don't want to interject
too much, but I'm calling it right now. If shaud
Or Sanders has the type of success that they believe
(04:10):
that he could have, and apparently the reviews out of
OTAs have been very, very good for shaud Or Sanders,
now he's performed. If he ends up getting that starting
job and ends up playing well, Dion Sanders is going
to have something for everybody, Like he's going to have
something for everybody who questioned his son's commitment, his preparation,
(04:32):
his ability, so on and so forth. Based on all
of that, I think he's just letting it marinate, letting
it all sit there, and he's going to have something
for all the naysayers and the haters out there of
shoud Or Sanders going and going through the draft process,
all right.
Speaker 3 (04:51):
What Dion said is what a parent would say about
their their child, because of parents knows their child better
than anybody else does, so I think he was speaking
from a parent perspective in that SoundBite, not from a
coach's perspective. Is what I would offer to that as
(05:14):
it applies to where Shador is now and what that
situation looks like. Again, I'm going to continue to maintain
what I've maintained, and not reports, not reviews, or anything
else is going to change how I see this. It
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is an uphill battle for Shador Sanders, and for what
it's worth, it's not like like just thinking sensibly of
it and practically about it. If a kid gets drafted
in the fifth round of the draft and that very
(05:59):
team took a player earlier in the draft in the
third round at the same position, it is going to
be a very very hard task for anyone take that.
Remove the name, remove the name, remove the reasonings why
(06:23):
like you want you want to say, the reason why
he went in this round is because of X, Y
and Z. Remove all of those things and just look
at at look at this from a face value perspective,
you have a quarterback that's worth over two hundred and
thirty million dollars that isn't even going to be ready
(06:44):
to play. You bring in two vets ahead of the draft.
One of those vets played very well for the Cleveland
Browns a year removed from that, played well in his
spot duties where he was at last year in Indy.
(07:06):
Gets called to come back and to compete for the job,
and made it very clear he's going to compete for
the job in his interview he's not interested in being
a role model. Canny Pickett is like, he's the one
that's the one element, that's the one piece of this
puzzle that is the most undefined piece as it applies
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to why would you bring him? Because he wasn't successful
As he was not successful as a starter in Pittsburgh,
he took on the role of being a backup, gets
a super Bowl in Philly. But what does that lead to,
Like does his time in the league equate to him
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being prepared to now be a starter in Cleveland? I
don't think so. So your problem probably looking at Kenny
Pickett as being a backup. That's what you're probably looking
at and projecting Kenny Pickett to be I do not
think you're projecting him to be a starter for your team.
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So you bring in Joe Flacco to compete to be
the starter. Who is he competing to be the starter with?
Are we basically saying there are going to be enough reps,
which this conversation has already been had plenty of times.
There's going to be enough reps between four players to
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be able to find your way to the starting position
from the last position drafted. Now, I will say this
is daunting a task as it is for a fifth
round draft pick that has a third round draft pick
in the same exact draft class with two vets. This
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could be And this is where what when you bring
up Dion and how you say he'll have something for
everybody if if Shador Sanders pulls through and is able
to somehow defy the odds. Because this is one hundred
percent of defying of the odds situation for Shador Sanders,
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whether people want to admit that or not. That's the truth.
The faith element of this, you know, it's like the
spiritual element of this. It's such a major part of
Dion Sanders's life. It's such a major part of Shador
and the Sanders families' lives. It's it's a major part
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they're god fearing people. Well, it's it's one of those moments.
Is the one that was last going to end up
being the one that's first? You know, It's like Bob
mar really had a song and one of the lyrics
in the song was but the stone that the builder
refused shall be the head corner stone.
Speaker 6 (10:12):
Right.
Speaker 3 (10:13):
So basically, Shador Sanders, in the situation that he is
he is in, finds himself with an interesting opportunity because
if he were to become the starter, that is probably
the biggest story in all of the National Football League
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when it happens.
Speaker 4 (10:36):
And wouldn't you say that if that's the case.
Speaker 2 (10:39):
And he ends up being as good as Dion thinks
he's going to be, and he ends up giving Dion
the opportunity to shout and talk about you guys were wrong,
so on, it doesn't that call into question the draft
process and evaluation process of everybody else who did pass
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on him, because if the if the idea was well,
we passed on him not because of maybe skill set,
but more how he acted in meetings and how he
came across why. I can understand that to a point,
but five rounds, there's going to be.
Speaker 3 (11:18):
A lot of people come out. Mel Kiper's going to
come out thumping. There's going to be a lot of
people that come out and have something to say. If
it plays out where Shador Sanders ends up being a
superstar and you know, in Cleveland, I would just ask
the question, Lee. Look it up. How many fifth round
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draft pick quarterbacks end up starting their rookie year.
Speaker 2 (11:43):
I can think of one off the top of my head.
Who Kyle Orton due to injury? I mean, that was
that was due to injury and he had to play.
I'm pretty sure he was a fifth round pick if
I'm not mistaken, But.
Speaker 4 (11:58):
That was, you know, that was. I don't know that.
It's not like he won the job. That was due
to injury.
Speaker 2 (12:06):
He had, he had an opportunity to play and going
there and the second that Rex Grossman was back, they
made the move to go to Grossman, so that I
didn't even think that this was a him.
Speaker 4 (12:18):
Just winning the job outright. But other than that, it's.
Speaker 3 (12:21):
I can't I can't think of. According to ESPN's mel
Kiper Junior, none of the QB's picked in the fifth
round have become regular starters over the last thirty years.
I just don't. Again, I hate to be the one
that kind of injects some just logic to the scenario.
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But it's a daunting task, man, and it's a task
that won't It just doesn't seem like that'll work out.
Speaker 2 (12:54):
And correction, Kyler was taken to the fourth round, fourth round,
not the fit.
Speaker 3 (12:59):
And for what it's worth, how did his career go?
Speaker 2 (13:03):
Well?
Speaker 4 (13:03):
Was it not bad? You know?
Speaker 1 (13:05):
Well?
Speaker 3 (13:05):
How long did he make it in? How long was
he a starter for?
Speaker 4 (13:08):
Uh?
Speaker 3 (13:09):
I remember him being pretty good out of Purdue. It
was a really good quarterback at produe, like really good.
Speaker 4 (13:14):
He ended up playing nine years.
Speaker 3 (13:16):
It's not bad. Yeah, how many did he start?
Speaker 2 (13:19):
He had eighty two starts in nine years, forty two
and forty record, one hundred and one touchdown, sixty nine picks.
Speaker 3 (13:29):
Yeah, I mean, I just hate the round pick. I
hate to be the bearer of bad news fifth round
draft picks. It's just it's especially again, especially with a
third round draft pick in the mix, it's not enough, Like,
how can you sit here and people say we're going
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to justify downgrading and downplaying the fact that Dylan Gabriel
is the third round draft pick for this like Dylan
Gabriel is a non factor in the conversation.
Speaker 2 (14:03):
All right, So let me ask you this. If we're
talking about quarterbacks drafted by a team in the same
draft at different points in the draft. You were in
Washington when they took RG three and then took Kirk
Cousins later in the draft, what was the conversation like,
Because I remember at the time when they did that, thinking, well,
that's interesting. That seems a little uh, it seems kind
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of interesting that that's how that would play out. This
is third and fifth, so it's a little different. But
that was also a situation in a scenario where I
don't know if anybody got the feeling going into it
that maybe Kirk Cousins had a real shot or if
this was just a best player available.
Speaker 3 (14:42):
But that was a debate day one, and it was
a debate day one because of all of this dysfunction
that was taking place in Washington. And that was one
of those deals where it was like one of the
picks was Shanahan's and one of the pick was was
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Dan Snyder's. And from what I heard it was a
matter of he was an insurance policy to RG three.
I don't remember it off the top of my head,
but I feel like I feel like it wasn't Kirk
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Cousins was the insurance policy based off of if RG
three was going to be able to do it at
the pro level. Like that that was how how I
got it, Like somebody, somebody didn't want to take RG three.
I just don't remember off the top of my head.
I don't want to mess it up, but I would
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assume I would assume that kirk Cousins would have been
the one that the Shanahans wanted. I would have assumed.
I would assume that, But I could be wrong.
Speaker 4 (15:55):
What's that supposed to mean?
Speaker 3 (15:56):
Well, I think people felt like some people felt like
Kirk Cousins came in with more of a skill set
that would fit what the Shanahan's offense. What it was. Wow, Wow,
RG three was more of a you know, more of
a mobile quarterback.
Speaker 2 (16:15):
I do wonder on that point, because listen, we don't
know who's going to be the quarterback. I mean, we're
you know, we can kind of speculate. I think it's
going to be Flacco. We don't know who the starter
is going to be. We know Deshaun Watson still got
more time left on his deal, whatever the hell happens there, Like,
the one thing that we do know is if the
Browns are bad again this year, Kevin Stefanski's probably gone,
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like this is probably it. And I just wonder Stefanski,
which is why I believe he's going to ultimately go
with Joe Flacco as a starter, because he looks at
this and goes, Man, if I have another bad year,
I'm out, yes, and I got to save my job.
And I just wonder how he felt about the decision
to take another quarterback with my fifth round pick after
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we just took one in the third, whether he looks
at that and goes, look, I need all the help
I can get. We can only start one quarterback. What
are we doing? Like, what's what's the plan here? Because look,
you you saw the faces in the room and they made.
Speaker 3 (17:21):
The decision no real real emotion, So you know.
Speaker 2 (17:25):
I mean, maybe this, Maybe this is another example of
Jimmy HASLM getting involved and being like, well, I like
the storyline, much like maybe Dan Snyder got involved in
wanting to take RG three.
Speaker 3 (17:38):
When he did.
Speaker 4 (17:39):
I mean, they're just it's still is a strange.
Speaker 6 (17:42):
Move to me.
Speaker 3 (17:44):
Was a huge success though, Yeah, and they had and
they had great success with him. He was the rookie
of the year. RG three just got hit by a
sledgehammer and a steam engine by the name of Hellodi
not and and Dangaire knocked his leg off of his body.
I've seen it with my own two eyes. It was
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an injury. It was an injury that that allowed for
as you mentioned with Kyle Orton, it was an injury
that allowed for for Kirk Cousins to get the opportunity
to even play. It wasn't in the cards. It wasn't.
It wasn't set up for kirk Cousins to be a starter.
He was going to be a backup until he probably
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left in free agency and went somewhere else after he
was done in Washington. It just happened to be. You know,
RG three injured his knee and couldn't stay healthy after that.
Like literally, he could not stay healthy after he injured
his knee in that in that playoff game. So it
was it was an opportunistic moment for Kirk Cousins. Does
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that opportunity come for for Shador Sanders, it's it's to
me if it plays out where again, like Q isn't
here to say it, but we've said it enough. If
one of these guys doesn't get the starting job, are
they really gonna actually ask to be released to go
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somewhere else? Like to me, I don't see how that
makes sense. If I'm Kenny Pickett, if I'm on this
roster and I'm set to be a backup on this
roster to an old ass Joe Flacco, why would I
ask for Why would I ask for a release to
go somewhere else? And what's the guarantee that you're gonna
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get picked up by another team that's gonna put you
in a situation that could be as advantageous as the
one you're in right now? How has that happened? So,
if I'm Kenny Pickett, I'm not asking for a release.
I'm gonna I'm gonna play my role as the backup
until I get an opportunity. There's two ways I can
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get on this field right now. One Joe Flacco doesn't
hold up. Two Joe Flacco doesn't play well. That's how
I can get on the field. So I'm gonna just
buy my time. But as it applies to the two rookies,
I'm just I cannot I cannot rest logic on the
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idea that a fifth rounder is going to outperform and
play and get enough time and enough reps to outperform
the third rounder. The third rounder is going to be
given the reps, the backup is going to be given
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the reps, and the starter is going to get the
lion's share of the reps. So I don't see how
the odd man out is the fifth round pick. They're
going to have to play him because he's the on
Oh he's e'sha door Sanders, and the situation is what
it is, but it's it's got to be considered a
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long shot for him to be able to make this
meteoric rise up the depth chart to being the starting
quarterback in Cleveland like that, to me, it's a pipe dream,
if I'm being totally honest.
Speaker 2 (21:15):
And if you just take a step back and look
at it, it all goes back to ground zero, which
is everybody's been putting a tough spot. So Kevin Stefanski's
been putting a tough spot, Joe Flacco's been putt in
a tough spot. Kenny Pickett's been putting a tough spot.
Shod Or Sanders and Dylan Gabriel been putting a tough spot,
and they've all been putt in a tough spot because
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Deshaun Watson put everybody in a tough spot.
Speaker 4 (21:40):
And it was Jimmy.
Speaker 2 (21:41):
Haslam who put everybody involved in the tough spot by
making the move to bring in to Shaun Watson and
it failing completely from the get go, Like it just
so now they're just sort of scrambling to try and
figure out what direction to go, and they've got a
bunch of the same thing all in the room and
everyone looking around and going, Okay, I guess this is
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how we're doing it.
Speaker 4 (22:04):
It's just it's bizarre, man, really.
Speaker 3 (22:08):
All if all this and that and the way things
have been handled leads to Shador Sanders starting as the
starting quarterback of the Cleveland Browns at face value, it
will be the biggest story in all of the NFL,
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and good luck to him. Like it's a great situation
in the sense that if you're a fifth rounder, this
would be the situation I would want to be in.
Like you got an old man, you got a backup unproven,
and he Shador probably feels like he's a better ball
player than Dylan Gabriel. So but Dylan Gabriel is a baller,
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and maybe he's undersized, but the dude's a baller. He
won the Big Ten, made it to the college playoffs,
like was a successful quarter back in college. Like like,
let's not downplay Dylan Gabriel for the sake of, you know,
trying to hype up, you know, Shador Sanders, Like, let's
see who wins the job.
Speaker 1 (23:12):
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Speaker 2 (23:26):
Kyle Pitts, the tight end for the Atlanta Falcons, is
dealing with a little bit of an issue, and Raheem Morris,
Raheem Morris, he actually spoke about Kyle Pitts and not
being available dealing with some sort of an undisclosed injury
yesterday at OTA's extremely.
Speaker 7 (23:47):
Cautious with Kyle right now and what's got what's got
going on? Obviously, you know, talk about injuries this time
of year, but definitely being cautious with them so you
won't see him. He's been here. He's done such a
great job of all stuff that we'd asked him. He's
been in every single meeting, he's been in every single
thing that we've done other than the field, and he's
been absolutely outstanding to be around.
Speaker 2 (24:09):
Yeah, it's interesting, all of a sudden, an undisclosed injury
for Kyle Pitts. And then you look around and you go, gosh,
sure are a lot of trade rumors involving Kyle Pitts
around the league, A guy who was drafted very high
but just hasn't quite lived up, even though he's shown
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flashes to his potential there in Atlanta.
Speaker 4 (24:34):
And I just wonder, is.
Speaker 2 (24:36):
This undisclosed injury that he's dealing with code for Well,
we just don't want to get him hurt before we
end up trading the guy. And we're having conversations with people.
Maybe he's got the uh. Maybe this is the hyper
extended trade bait injury that's going on here. Maybe that's
what it is. Because I don't buy for one second
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that Kyle Pitts has got some sort of an undis
closed injury. I think the Atlanta Falcons are trying to
make a deal and they're just keeping him out of
harm's way so they can execute this deal sooner rather
than later.
Speaker 4 (25:10):
What do you think of that?
Speaker 3 (25:10):
Bar Uh, it's not a horrible it's not a horrible theory.
Speaker 4 (25:18):
Can I get a little bit of an endorsement?
Speaker 3 (25:20):
It's not a horrible theory. I'll say this full awareness.
His contract does run out this year, and I think
that it's a matter of getting a contract extension done
at the least an extension or a new contract deal
done before you start putting him out there. I think
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it might be as simple as that. So you think
it's more of an extension and not it's a negotiation.
I mean, he's speaking very highly of him, and listen,
Rahiem is a players coach. The players love him. He's
a relatable dude. So he's not going to say anything
crazy about col Pits unless it was really necessary. So
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it could be a smoke screen to be able to
keep his value high and maybe see that a trade
suitor would would jump at it. I mean, there's certainly
people that could use him, there's teams that could use
use his services. But I think that he would be
one hundred percent valued as an Atlanta Falcon. And you
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know he doesn't have a contract beyond this year. His
contract runs.
Speaker 4 (26:28):
Out, so you think he's going to get a deal.
Speaker 3 (26:30):
I think he's going to get a deal. His sticks
picks bam.
Speaker 4 (26:36):
I think he's going to get traded.
Speaker 3 (26:39):
I mean they picked line, they picked up his they
picked up his fifth year option in twenty four in April,
they picked up his fifth year option. So I just
you know, I think he's going to he wants a deal.
I think he'll redo a deal. I think that that's
what they're waiting on it. They'll have a deal done.
Speaker 2 (26:58):
By the way, one of the great fantasy football team
of all time as Kyle Pitts. You just assume he's
going to put up monster numbers and for some reason
it has not worked out. It is just not panned
out the way everybody thought it was. So we'll keep
you posted. But those are our picks, calling our shot
and Kyle Pitts.
Speaker 1 (27:14):
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a Cup of Joe with Brady Quinn, LeVar Errington, and
Jonas Knox weekdays at six am Eastern three am Pacific.
Speaker 2 (27:25):
We welcome in the man himself a Tuesday tradition. He
is Pete Prisco Senior NFL calumnist for CBS Sports. He's
a CBS Sports HQ analyst and you can get him
on X at Prisco CBS Pete, good morning, how are
we feeling?
Speaker 3 (27:40):
Good morning?
Speaker 6 (27:41):
Oh, Brady Quinn today? Huh?
Speaker 3 (27:42):
Now?
Speaker 6 (27:43):
Or next week or the week after?
Speaker 3 (27:45):
Keep going, keeping, keep going going.
Speaker 6 (27:50):
We're going going. How long.
Speaker 3 (27:54):
He's going to be on an enter jazzer, bunny break?
Speaker 6 (27:56):
You know how long?
Speaker 3 (27:59):
A little while at.
Speaker 6 (28:02):
Wile You know what, LeVar, You get a lot of
airtime that way. Then, because I know Brady, I know
Brady Brady. You know, we used to call it like
Brady would intercept. It would go okay, the host would
say something, then Brady would say something, and then it'd
come to me or whoever on the end. And then
always before it went back to the host, Brady had
intercept it and make his final points. You know what
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I mean. He never played he never played dB in
his life, but he always knew how to intercept when
he was when it comes to sit on the deck,
I'll tell you that right now. You know what I say, LeVar,
what's good for me is good for me, and so
Brady's not there, it's good for you. You get more air.
Speaker 3 (28:43):
Right, So, Pete, I got like listening to Jonas, you know,
that's all Pete.
Speaker 2 (28:49):
I got to ask you a I got to ask
you a question because I wanted you to just further
explain something that you put on social media. I was
looking at one are your tweets from from Pete Prisco
Prisco CBS on X quote, it's that time of the year.
Every player at OTA's is in the best shape of
his life. Every surgery they had has been a success.
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They are all ready to take the next step. And
even lollipop throws on air make this app droole. It's
boys of summertime, no pads, no tell I mean, what
sets you off in that direction?
Speaker 6 (29:24):
Because every single day on Twitter or x every single day,
somebody is getting lauded for the way they look, or
how great or shape they're in, or this through they
put the video of a throw. Look at this guy,
he's throwing great, He's throwing one on one with nobody
covering anybody. I mean, give me a break. And so
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it's just always been that way. I remember way back
in the day when I covered the Jaguars in the nineties,
this guy showed up and he was a wide receiver
and he came in and he was making all these
plays and he's talking all this smack, and then the
veterans came in. They said, wait, we get them in pads.
And as soon as you got him pads, he disappeared.
And so I just think that we get so enamored
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with what's going on, and the reality is you can't
read anything into this. Nobody can hit, nobody can get
real physical. We don't know what they're doing because you
don't know if and I have many a quarterback when
I traveled around my training camp tours and talking to
guys and saying, look, if I don't know why they
chart passes in training camp, I might work on something
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here where I wouldn't even do it in a game,
just to see if it might work and if it's intercepted,
oh well, And yet here we are charting plays. I
saw the other day at a Cleveland Browns camp they
charted the throws of the quarterbacks. What are we doing?
Speaker 3 (30:44):
It's crazy, they say, look like Tarzan Gang like Jane
that was.
Speaker 6 (30:54):
You know, LeVar you know how it is. And by
the way, and by the way, having said all that,
I'm gonna be at Bucksmith of Ota practice today was
here go get it.
Speaker 3 (31:04):
Think another Bucks practice. There's a Sanders on the Bucks team,
so that'd be interesting to see how you know he's performing.
But I guess I want to ask you, Pete in
terms of am I wrong? You know, the coach Dion
Sanders came out, had to say what he had to
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say about the situation with with Shador Am I wrong
for saying? Can we take the name out of the pick?
You're the fourth or fourth? I would want to say
fourth pick of the fifth round? There was a quarterback
taken in the third round they brought into free agents.
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There's Deshaun Watson. That's like whatever his situation is? Am
I wrong for saying? If you take out and you
remove the name from that fifth round pick? What is
the likelihood of a fifth rounder surpassing a third rounder
that's first, first, and foremost, which is the largest one,
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that's the biggest one. How does a fifth rounder overtake
a third rounder for one and then two? How does
a fifth rounder overtake that third rounder then overtake the
backup then overtake the starter to become the starter of
the team. How I mean, if you take the name
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away from it and you look at it at its
bare minimum and exercise common sense, it doesn't make any sense. Pete,
Can you make it make sense for me? How should
we be looking at this Because to me, I'm not
going to look at it as it's Shador Sanders. I'm
going to look at it as this was a fifth
round draft pick. What are his his you know, possibilities
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in terms of being a player on this team.
Speaker 6 (32:57):
And I can guarantee you LeVar sentence exactly how the
Cleveland Browns are looking at it. I mean you made
the point. Look, Dylan Gabriel is picked in the third
round ahead of him for a reason. They clearly thought
he was a better prospect and a better player and
had the attention to be a better quarterback. Now that's
not to sit here and say that mishad Or Sanders
can't go in there and now play them. He can
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and he has that opportunity. But when you look at
it on the surface, if his name wasn't Sanders and
it was something else, he'd be a fifth round pick
that everybody would sit there and say, oh, boy, I
hope he plays well enough to maybe even make the team.
That's the reality of it. And now they're talking about,
like you said, going past Dylan Gabriel, going past Picket,
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going past Joe Flacco. I mean, let's get real. And sometimes,
you know, we put so much into this stuff before
the process, and when the guy goes in the fifth round,
everybody goes, oh, he got it. Nobody they didn't draft
him because of his dad. They didn't draft them because
of this. They didn't draft them because it fits around,
because that's what they thought of them. You know, I
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was on with a guy when they did draft him,
one of our analysts, and he said, oh, they got
one over on Pittsburgh. I said, they got one over
on Pittsburgh. If Pittsburgh wanted them, they could have drafted
him anytime they wanted to. Nobody wanted to pick him
until the fifth round. And that's why the fifth round
pick period.
Speaker 2 (34:19):
He is Pete Prisco joining us here on Fox Sports Radio,
CBS Sports HQ analyst, also a columnist for CBS Sports
as well too, and you can get him on ex
at Prisco CBS. All right, so then let me ask
you this because Russell Wilson, speaking of Pittsburgh, was the
Steelers quarterback last year. He goes on with this podcast
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with Carmelo Anthony. He's talking about all the reasons that
he liked the Giants. You know, he's familiar with the
locker room because that's where he won a super Bowl
at MetLife. Malik neighbors Brian Dayball and his you know,
his acumen when it comes to calling plays as an
offensive mind. Isn't though, the real reason that he's in
New York with the Giants because the Steelers didn't want
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him anymore.
Speaker 6 (35:04):
Nor did anybody else except for the Giants. I mean,
let's be real. And by the way, the whole locker
room thing, give me a break. I won a super
Bowl there, so I'm familiar with it. Well that's why
you went there, Come on, But he said some of
the weirdest stuff. It makes no sense to me. He
went there because they gave him an opportunity to play
and be a quarterback on their team. And maybe not
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for the long haul, but for right away he will
be probably be their starting quarterback on opening day. And
so that's why you went there. Why can't you just
say that. Why can't I just be honest about it.
I didn't have a lot of opportunities elsewhere. The Steelers
didn't want me back, and I decided to go to
the Giants. And that's fine, that's what you did. But
don't say it's because of the locker room and you
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had elite neighbors and everything else. They wanted you. You
came to a deal, you went there. It had nothing
to do with anything else.
Speaker 3 (35:55):
Pete bringing that fult today.
Speaker 4 (35:58):
I mean, let's what did Russell Wilson do to you, Peet?
Speaker 6 (36:04):
Nothing? I just I just I just always look, I look,
I'll be honest with you. Back in the day, I
always thought he was a little overrated. And uh and
and you know, I kind of stood in that hill
and he had a couple of good years and people
came back at me, and and then the reality is
is he has been overrated. So just you are what
you are. You know, look, he's a good, solid quarterback.
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I never thought he was a great quarterback. And so sometimes,
like I say, he had the top scoring defense in
the league four straight years in Seattle. You know, the
last team to do that was the fifties dynasty of
the Browns. I mean, it makes playing quarterback a lot easier.
And and based on that, one time I went around
asking a lot of quarterbacks that summer, what would you
(36:46):
rather have the top rank scoring defense, or or two
good wide receivers, And every single one of them said
the top rank.
Speaker 3 (36:53):
Scoringah, it makes your life easier, absolutely. Pete uh speaking
of top scoring, what's your take on Stephan diggs Man? Like,
start wherever you want to start, and wherever you like,
you know, you take it how you want to take it.
Speaker 4 (37:09):
Come on, come on, tucy man, come.
Speaker 6 (37:12):
On, come on, what is he doing? First off, why
would you even be around if that is indeed what
that was? And we don't know that's what it was.
It sure looked like it. But if it was, why
even be around it? I mean, they you know, if
he was not doing it, which is you know, probably
maybe he did. Maybe he'll testament find out. But why
(37:33):
would you if that's what that was, why would you
be in your even be around it? It makes no sense.
Why would you be the one handing it out? I
don't get it. And I know, look, you get caught
up in the in the whole Hollywood lifestyle and whatever,
and and you get two enamored into that and maybe, maybe,
just maybe he wasn't doing it. He just got caught
(37:53):
up in and handed it off. Who knows, But he's
got to be better than that. And not only that,
you're coming off the thirty one and you're coming off
a major injury, I mean thirty one and coming off
a major injury wide receiver is never a good thing.
It's never a good thing when you have stuff going
on as well. So it was an ugly look for him,
(38:14):
h you know, And should it have happened? No, But again,
we don't know what that was. We have an idea
you think it is, but we I'm you know, I've
never seen that stuff, and neither of any of you,
I would imagine, So I just you know, who knows.
And by the way, I did do research on it,
just to look it up. It didn't cocaine. You know,
(38:37):
people think it's pink cocaine. That's not what it is.
Speaker 2 (38:39):
Well, I was going to ask your pete, like when
whatever you do to see like, what are the side effects?
Speaker 4 (38:43):
Is it similar to what you know?
Speaker 6 (38:45):
All right, party all night and get up the next
day and do it all over again. I mean, it's
like you know, no, I read, I read, I read,
I read what it was. You know what it is.
It's it's like some synthetic drug that has ketamine in
it and like Molly, and it keeps you up all
night partying and everything else. And I just don't know.
(39:06):
I don't understand why he would even be around that.
It makes no sense to me. So, I mean, I
could see when he gave it away. I saw how
happy is his audience was, so maybe that had something
to do with it. But I just don't understand why
he would even be around that. And by the way,
I want to see how the Patriots handle this, because
remember it's Mike Rabel. It's a whole new regime, and
(39:28):
you know they're not going to tolerate anything. Well, we'll see,
because he wandered onto the practice field yesterday and didn't
seem like there are any repercussions, did there.
Speaker 2 (39:37):
Jordan Schultz's buddy Ian Rappafort said that they're not expected
to release Stefon Diggs. You know, they don't expect for
him to get cut or anything like that.
Speaker 3 (39:47):
So I don't know.
Speaker 6 (39:48):
I wouldn't, no, I wouldn't. But the only thing that
would get him cut would be if he didn't look
like Stefan Diggs. Yeah, that's real. I mean that the
reality is, you know. And look, he was in Buffalo.
He was a pain of the ass. And I can
tell you this from being there and last summer they
were thought it was additioned by subtraction. When he was gone,
I mean, he became, you know, a guy that wanted
(40:10):
the ball all the time, and Josh Allen would you know,
lock in on him and he'd hear it from him
all the time. And not that they didn't have a
good relationship, because they liked each other. But that gets
annoying after a while, and then it bleeds over to
the other receivers. I mean, go back to Gabe Davis,
by the way, go back to Gave Davis in that
playoff game against the Chiefs way back in the day.
Remember how he looked like he was going to be
an emerging star. Yea, Well, well what happened to him? Well,
(40:34):
you know, I think he got Digs a little bit.
I think he got into that, you know, in the
fact that he was like, you know, I thought he
had arrived and he didn't. And so he goes to Jacksonville,
and you know, gets heavy, he got hurt a little bit,
and one of the same player now he's out there,
and so I think sometimes, you know, you like having
a wide receiver who wants the ball. And by the way,
(40:55):
they all want the ball. I mean, you know, I
go back to when I covered Jacksonville back to day
they had Jimmy Smith. It was a great, great, great,
great receiver who would have been a Hall of Famer
if his career and did derailed by you know, failed tests.
And Keenan McCardell. And Keenan was great too, And I
used to tell Keenan, I go, you're meaning because he
(41:16):
wanted the ball time. Then he went to Tampa and
it was keys Sean and Keenan and they won the
Super Bowl. And I always used to say it was
me Sean and Meanan playing wide.
Speaker 3 (41:27):
Hey, howing Jimmy Smith together was pretty wild though. That
was pretty much.
Speaker 6 (41:33):
God they were. They were fantastic. Keenan McCardell, by the way,
now the wide receiver coach who but who actually was
there when a big part of Stephan Diggs development is
a wide receiver coach of the Minnesota Viking's one of
the best in the business. Uh, and he still would
complain about not getting the football.
Speaker 2 (41:50):
That's the coach, Pete, Pete, I want to ask you
because this seems like a bunch of crap to me.
Kyle Pitts has an undisclosed injury and is not working
out with the Atlanta Falcons. And I think they're keeping
him safe because they're trying to trade him.
Speaker 3 (42:09):
What say you?
Speaker 6 (42:11):
They are trying to trade him and uh, but you
know what, there there's I don't think there's going to
be as a robust to market as they think it
might be out there. And look, everybody thought Kyle Pitts
had the tools, the talent, the skills to be a
big time tight end in this league. But he's not tough.
Let's be real. I mean that that's the knock on
(42:31):
him around the league. He's not tough, and that they
concerned about that, and so I want you want to
you know, he gets knocked around a little bit and
that's that's that's the knock on him around the league.
And so yeah, I don't think he has an injury.
I think they're sitting him on the sideline and uh
and letting them hope somebody makes a move. To go
get him. And and by the way, there's some guys
(42:51):
that you know, Jalen Ramsey's sitting there to be traded too.
I mean, Miami totally bots Miami boughts that situation. Miami did.
Miami gave him a new contract last year, then paid
them a four million dollar roster bonus in March, and
now they want to trade them. Miami's a disaster that team.
They gave out all these extensions last year, threw them
(43:14):
around like nothing, and they're a disaster. And now Jalen
Ramsey is sitting there. Who's going to trade for Jalen
Ramsey in that contract unless Miami eats a bunch of it?
And will they be willing to eat a bunch of it?
Speaker 3 (43:26):
Yeah? H Pete. Did you see the question that was
asked to the receiver and Jamar Chase and Cincinnati about
preseason and the correlation of slow starts based off of
this new trend of how preseasons are being handled, Like
what what do you subscribe to?
Speaker 6 (43:48):
Like?
Speaker 3 (43:48):
What was your takeaway on that? Because to me, I've
always felt like preseason is a necessary evil. You gotta
feel what it feels like to tackle, you gotta feel
what it feels like to beled. You got to feel
what that the physicality of the game feels like in
order to get yourself ready for the regular season. Now,
(44:08):
I say that limited, right, first, first game limited, you know,
second game a little more. Third game you've you've played
into the second half and then you know you come out.
Now there's not the same amount of games anymore. But
what's your take on on how the preseason should be
handled by these pros and these coaches.
Speaker 6 (44:30):
You're one hundred percent spot on. By the way, they
don't hit in camp anymore, barely. They don't tackle in
camp ever. And so if you don't play in the preseason,
by the time you play an opening week, that's the
first time you're having any contact or tackling. And that's
why if you look at the tackling in the first
month of the season, horrible. And they can do all
(44:53):
the drills they want on angles, and you know they
have dummies and electronic dummies they work on angles. Give
me a break, it's not the same. And you played
the game of our you know that you got to hit,
got to be and I think you know they've gotten
away from that. The fear of injury is become magnified
(45:13):
to the point where they're not getting the good fundamentals
in and I think it's hurtinged the gate. I mean,
when was the last time you've gone to a practice
in training camp and watched nine on seven the middle drill.
They don't do it anymore.
Speaker 3 (45:28):
They don't.
Speaker 6 (45:28):
Nobody lined up on the goal line and hits nobody.
It's it's minimal hitting, it's pass and tapping. But I'm
talking about a full on hitting drill. They don't do it.
And then so then they wonder what's wrong with the
offensive line. Well, offensive lines have to work together and
again go back to the dummies. You can work a
(45:51):
double team to the next level when you're working against
the dummy or your fellow offensive linemen who's standing there
like a load of a lump of you know, large there,
and you can get to them easily instead of a
two hundred and eighty pounds defensive tackle who can move.
Let's see how you handle that when you're trying to
get off him. Hope, you're you know, you're the tackle.
You get off him, get to the next level and
(46:12):
you think your guard has them handled, but he's quick enough.
The nights through and make the play. You don't know
how you're going to handle that, And so I think
that all the fundamentals of football have gone out the
window because we're so protective of the players now. Sometimes
you need to just go hit, you need to just
go tackle, and if you're not going to do it
in the preseason, you have to find a way to
(46:33):
do it somewhere, because I think when you get the
Week one and you have it tackled and you haven't
been hit, and you haven't been jammed at the line
of scrimmage and thrown to the ground, I think that's
where we're losing a lot of the good football early
in the season.
Speaker 2 (46:45):
Pete, before I let you go, just wanted to get
a prediction from you. Obviously, the your Florida Panthers are
taking on my Edmonton Oilers, and I know Lebar and
I are big Oilers fans, so I just wanted to
know how you thought that's you are?
Speaker 3 (46:59):
Yeah, Bar and I.
Speaker 6 (47:00):
Both No, you're not. LeVar is not LeVar is not it.
LaVar is not an Edmonton Oiler. Say he couldn't name
one player on it.
Speaker 3 (47:10):
Penn and Caps, give me, give me, give.
Speaker 6 (47:13):
Me, give me an Edmonton oiler player, LeVar.
Speaker 3 (47:15):
I told you I'm Pins and Caps, I'm Penguins, okay.
Speaker 6 (47:18):
But you still shouldn't be able to give me an
ed You still should be able to give me an
Edmonnton oiler player.
Speaker 3 (47:23):
No, I shouldn't. I don't, I don't watch.
Speaker 6 (47:26):
He's the best player in the world.
Speaker 3 (47:28):
Connor McDavis, I'm today years old when I knew that,
today years old.
Speaker 6 (47:34):
He's the best player to work And Jony, you're not
You're not, You're not a Edmonton oiler.
Speaker 3 (47:39):
No.
Speaker 4 (47:40):
Yeah, I'm just trying to get you get your okay.
By the way, bitting fire.
Speaker 6 (47:44):
Off, how long has it been since Canada won a
Stanley Cup?
Speaker 4 (47:49):
Was it ninety three? Was it the Canadians last time.
Speaker 6 (47:51):
It's been a long, long, long, long time. And you
know what, it's going to be another long, long year
because Florida is a better team. They're tougher, they're more physical,
and we saw last year what happens when you're physical
that the Edmonton Oilers team, they go hide and they're
going to beat him up. No, Zach Heyman is big
for Edmonton. Uh And the depth of the Florida Panthers
(48:15):
is way too much and they beat him up, they'll
beat him in six six games, not gonna go seven
this time around to beat him in six.
Speaker 2 (48:21):
Look at that hockey analysis, Pete, Prisco there, I will.
Speaker 6 (48:25):
Tell you about Kinner. The goalie has been playing well.
I'm a little he's played well for for Edmonton. But
you know what, before he started playing really well, he
was going really bad. So I think he's gonna gave
a chance to go really rotten. And Lebroston never goes.
Speaker 4 (48:40):
Are you going to get to a You're going to
get to a game in Sunrise? There, Pete? You get
a ticket too?
Speaker 6 (48:44):
Maybe because I'm going out to training camp, I mean
the mini camp next week, so I don't know. Maybe,
but I will definitely be glued to every single one
of them. I love it. I can't wait.
Speaker 2 (48:54):
There he is, get him on x at Prisco, CBS,
your NFL Calumnist, the CBS Sports CB Economy.
Speaker 6 (49:01):
That's in the world of our Connommicavid.
Speaker 3 (49:04):
I won't remember people will I will not use my
my brain cells to commit that to memory.
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