June 6, 2025 • 52 mins
It’s Football Friday on 2 Pros and a Cup of Joe, and the Pacers comeback once again thanks to Tyrese Halliburton in the clutch. Aaron Rodgers finally decides to sign with Pittsburgh to get the taste of New York out of his mouth. And it’s very possible Anthony Richardson started his last game in the NFL. All that and more!
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
This is the best of two pros and a couple
Joe with Lamar rating Win and Jonas Knox on radio.
Speaker 2 (00:13):
And you know it's appropriate. We're listening to the Narcos
theme song here as the show starts. Because there was
an old method back in the day where Pablo Escobar,
when he wanted to rid himself of his competitors, he
would throw them into.
Speaker 3 (00:28):
A lagoon full of hippopotamuses.
Speaker 4 (00:32):
Oh it was he throw them in there.
Speaker 2 (00:35):
He's got these pet hippos and he would throw him
in there and just let him go at it. And
I don't even think the Pablo Escobar could throw the
Indiana Pacers in with a pawn full of hippos and
get rid of them, because that.
Speaker 3 (00:48):
Team does not die. They are a zombie.
Speaker 2 (00:54):
They did it again last night. It's unbelievable. It's just
it's unbel to watch that game. And I'm watching long, thinking, man, Okay,
see better extend this. If you don't push it to
twenty and you keep them within four five ish possessions,
they're gonna figure this thing out. And as the game
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went down to the wire, they made play after play
after play. Even lou Dort makes a great block on
Nie Smith and you're like, oh, okay, well that was
the real crucial play that had to be had. Pascal
Siakam goes out of bounds, they challenge it, call stands.
Speaker 3 (01:33):
Okay, see gets the ball back.
Speaker 2 (01:34):
You're like, okay, that's the one that's gonna be ultimately
what pushes Okac over the top. And it's just not
because Indiana refused to die. Awesome Game one of the
NBA Finals last night.
Speaker 4 (01:47):
I mean, it was what the NBA if they could
have drawn it up man. And I hate to be
the I told you so type of guy, but it
is I told you so type a moment where if
Indiana wins that game, it's it makes the series more watchable,
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more interesting. If Indiana wins the game the way it
was drawn up yesterday, it makes the series way more
attractive to watch and want to be a part of.
I mean, you think about it. In this game you're
talking about the Pacers set a record on turnovers. That's
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how or excuse me, not a record, but it was
the season high, season high twenty five turnovers, and yet
they were still over able to overcome the deficit of
the entire game, never led the entire game and the
only time they lead is when they win. You couldn't
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have drawn it up any better for a viewer to
want to watch, because it took you to the entire game.
Unless at the point a time where they were down
I want to say it was by at least fifteen.
I want to say they were down by If you
if you dowed out, if you dialed out in the
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second half, like the third quarter, based upon what the
score was, then you missed. You missed the treat of
a game. But to see the way Indiana fights back
and claw their way back and get into games, the
way that they do, they held to form this is
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you can't say that this was a luck game or
you know they some way, somehow, you know, the OKC
thunder gave the game away. They shot poorly, they shot poorly.
And while OKAC shot poorly, you know what Indiana did.
They just kept getting after it. They were slashing to
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the hole, which I was loving to see as they
were being aggressive getting to the hole. They were kicking
the ball out. Guys were finding their range. You start
seeing contributions come from from different guys, you know. In
the comeback, it just it's one of those games where
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you ask yourself, you know, did did okay see did
okay see open up a door that they shouldn't have
opened up in this series? Or was it one of
those first game, first game jitters? You're at home. Sometimes
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being at home can actually play against you a little bit.
You know, you you might not for some reason, you
might not play as loose. And maybe it's because of
the excitement. Maybe is because it's your home crowd. There's
just certain reasons why sometimes teams play a little bit better,
a little bit more relaxed when they're on the road.
But this one was a hit scratcher. I think if
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you had to come up with a way to kind
of sum up what last night represented, it was still
a head scratcher that this type of a pendulum swing
could take place in a game in the NBA Finals.
To this, to this.
Speaker 2 (05:33):
Degree, the guy who hit the game winner, Tyres Halliburton,
spoke afterwards, there.
Speaker 5 (05:38):
Was never a disbelief as a group. Honestly, you know,
we never think the game is over ever. Honestly speaking, ever,
like the never that never creeps in. I think we
just keep talking as a group, is how can we
walk this team down? So it's at twelve going in
a halftime. We talk about, if we can win one
quarter by six, one quarter by seven, will be in
a great spot. We got to a six point game
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at the end of the third quarter and Sha hit
a three, but we liked where we were, and then
they went on a big run to start the fourth
and we just say, okay, it's that fifteen with kid
to ten. Well we got it to eight. They call
time out, so we just stay with it. So this
group never gives up. We never believe that the game
is over until it hit zero.
Speaker 2 (06:16):
And that's a real calculated zombie right there. That's one
that's not just one of these Well I'm just going
to get.
Speaker 4 (06:21):
Up and eat everybody.
Speaker 2 (06:22):
It's like, no, no, no, I'm just going to get up
and this is how I'm gonna do it. It's gonna
come in sections. It's going to go one body part
by the next, and I'm going to figure out a
way to make Halliburton wasn't even good.
Speaker 3 (06:34):
It's not like he had a great game.
Speaker 2 (06:35):
He didn't have some some monster game that you look
at and go, man, he willed his team to victory.
But when he was coming down with that ball following
the miss by SGA. There wasn't a doubt in my
mind that he was going to hit that shot. You
just you felt it. I think the arena felt it.
And there's probably Okay, see thunderfans that are looking around going.
Speaker 3 (06:57):
What the hell happened? Yeah, and I'll tell you what happened.
Speaker 2 (07:01):
What happened was the same thing that happened in every
single playoff series that Indiana's been involved in.
Speaker 4 (07:07):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (07:07):
You leave him hanging around for long enough. You don't
step on the throat, you don't finish putting their head
in the vice like that guy in Goodfellas and put
it into the whole thing. You let him hang around
and they ultimately end up making plays to win.
Speaker 3 (07:21):
That's a fun.
Speaker 4 (07:22):
Team, you know. I told you. Like the second hour
they play the theme song one of the parts of
Thirteenth Warrior. Yeah, and what I felt like took place
in Last Games last night's game was comparable to a
scene in Thirteenth Warrior. So there was a guy, he
was one of the Norsemen that came with Bouvi to
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help with the evil that they had to fight against.
That the village was that sent for for them. You
know what they were facing. Well, the son of the
king of the people that sent for Bouvie and his
crew to come, you know, he was not as respectful
and receptive to them coming to help. And he felt
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like him and his crew could handle the evil that
was coming their way. And he had one big dude
that was there, and one of the smaller dudes that
bouv brought with him, you know, picked a fight with him.
You know, and this this reminds me of that game
last night, right, Okay, see the big, tall, strong dude,
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and you got this little dude over here, and he's
he's digging. Everybody's digging trenches and he's throwing the mud
on the guy right hits him with the mud boom, hitting,
get him dirty. He's like, hey, little man, what are
you doing? And he picks a fight with him. So
they picked a fight. They get in the ring and
you know, they're hitting their shields and he's just letting
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this big dude wail on him, just bang, bang, cracks
his cracks his shield and I think they get like
four shields, five ship in the fight or whatever. Little
dude ain't messed up. Not one of the shields that
this big dude is has ain't really made him do
anything to make him feel as though he could hurt him.
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And the confidence of the big dude is growing by
every single shield that he's crushing on this little dude.
He gets to the last the last shield they're fighting,
boom boom boom, and the big dude does it again bang,
just like what the OKC Thunder was doing in his game,
seemingly looking like they were just too much, they were
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going to overpower them. He breaks the shield. The little
dude kneels down and and like looking like he's being defeated.
It almost looks like it's just defeat. He's too weak,
he's too small, he's not he's not nearly the warrior
that the other guy is. And the other guy looks
at you know what I guess would be the coach.
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He looks at the King's son and the King's sons like, yeah,
doing you know, finish it? Chop that man's head off
and show these norsemen they're not as tough as they
think they are and they need to listen to what
I need, what I'm going to say, what I want
to do. So the guy picks up his he picks
up his sword to go knock his head off, and
the little dude hits him with one of them little
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like little moves like put sword in the big dude,
put sword in a big dude. And when he hit him,
he said he was a brave one, right, And so
all this time you're beating the hell out of this dude.
In the entire time, it was a strategy to get
him to the proper place of where he wanted to
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get him and took him out. And then all of
the village people are looking like they were confused. You know,
they live by what they can see, but now you're
giving them something that they can't see they got to
think about. Keeps them off guard, and that maintains the
fear the point of the story. Sometimes you can't judge
it by the way it looks. Case looks like they're
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the big, big, strong dude that that can knock you
down and take you out because they're so deep with
their their you know, with their bench, they have so
many strong starters. They got seven footers to go along
with it. But you beat up on these dudes for
for a half of basketball, really, really, I mean you didn't,
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you didn't beat them up as well as you should
have in the second half, but for the most part,
you still maintained your lead throughout the second half of
the of the game until the end. And then at
the end they make a move and chop your head
off and looked at the crowd, and now the crowd
is like all stunned, like, wait, did they just beat
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our champion? Like did they just take him down? They
just took out the champion. And now, okaysee has to
figure out how they're going to move forward in this
series because what I felt took place in this first game,
even though they didn't shoot their best. I bet you
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OKAC was ready to come out of that game and say,
you know, we didn't shoot our best, but we defended
home court. We had good we had a good showing.
Even though guys didn't shoot well from the perimeter. Our
shots weren't they weren't going down. Maybe our shots selection
could have been better, but yet we were still good
enough to win this game and win the game handily.
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You couldn't come out of the game saying that. Now
now you had to say, dang, like we didn't play
as well as we could have, but we had the
game in hand, on our way to a victory. In
some way, somehow Indiana found a way to beat us.
Speaker 3 (12:41):
That's right.
Speaker 4 (12:42):
That's a very very hard that's a hard riddle to solve.
If I'm OKC, maybe they don't think too much of it,
but maybe they are. You got one more game there,
You got one more game there. And and I think
this is such a pivotal game for OKC because they
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cannot allow, they cannot allow for Indiana to gain any
more confidence than what they've gained being able to come
out of that game the way they did.
Speaker 2 (13:19):
You mentioned the thought process and mentality of Oklahoma City
after that game last night, SGA, their superstar, the MVP,
spoke about it, following.
Speaker 6 (13:27):
It as much as we can, we just got to
treat it like every other game, every other situation we've
been in. Yes, we haven't been in the situation, but
it doesn't mean our character has a change er what
we did last time. It's still basketball, still the game
of basketball that we grew up playing. The rules don't
change its because we're in the finals. So it's like
we've been in a situation before and then other situation.
Speaker 4 (13:48):
We handled it. We handled it well.
Speaker 6 (13:50):
We were better for game two, and that's the goal.
Speaker 2 (13:52):
They are currently an eleven point favorite in game two,
so the overwhelming expectation is, well, they respond and they'll
come back out. And it's like, look, you could feel
any kind of way you want to feel about it.
A lot of people said the same thing about the Knicks. Listen,
they should have won that game in game one. One
are the chances India and what happened? Indiana came out
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and they were actually better in game two, Like, that's
that's the if. This would have been Indiana's best shot
and their best shot was able to overcome a deficit
by Okac who didn't make enough plays down the stretch.
I'd feel better about it if I was a Thunder fan,
because I would look at it and go, well, yeah,
the likelihood of them playing that good again is small,
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especially on the road. The problem is Indiana didn't play
that great. Halliburton didn't have a great game as far
as his getting to the basket, you know, getting whatever
shot he won. He was actually passed, like giving the
ball up at times when he probably could have made
a play at the rim. So I look at it
and I go, this makes me that much more interested
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in game two, and it wouldn't not surprise me whatsoever
if Indiana was able to keep that close. And if
it's close as we've seen, I don't know that you
trust any other team in the playoffs to make a
play down the stretch.
Speaker 4 (15:09):
And you do Indiana more than you know. What makes
me think of a scene out of a movie, Like
it's like that moment where Rocky punches Ivan Drago and
he cutting, and he went back to he went back
to the corner and Rocky's corners like you're cutting, you see,
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you see, he's a man, He's a man. And then
Ivan Drago's sitting there like looking at it like this
is blood. It's blood, it's my blood. It's my blood, right,
and then he realized that this little man could beat him.
And again comes back to the David and Goliath type
of of storyline here, this is a David Goliath type
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of series. Obviously, Goliath being Okac, David being the pacers.
I just think that this was a very debilitating loss.
Like I understand what SGA is saying, and he's right,
that's the right way of looking at it, that's the
right approach. But jonas if I'm OKC. That is the
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worst loss that you could have possibly taken. Was the
first one last night? Yeah at home?
Speaker 2 (16:19):
Not great, not great, but great for us because it
makes it that much more entertaining. It is two Pros
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Speaker 4 (16:38):
Come on, Bar, come on, yeah, yeah, we got some basketball.
It's football Friday. But we got some basketball. We talked
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It's Friday. It's a football Friday. Football Friday. Come on,
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Football Friday. What's wrong with Jonas? Did you just use
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come on now, Mark, let's do it. Let's do it
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Speaker 3 (17:27):
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Speaker 2 (17:45):
Those Pittsburgh Steelers got some good news yesterday.
Speaker 4 (17:50):
Did they?
Speaker 2 (17:52):
Aaron Rodgers it's official, signs a one year deal with
Pittsburgh and he will participate in next week's mini camp.
No surprise whatsoever. Brady Quinn had called his shot on this,
he had sourced this weeks ago, and here we are,
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lo and behold, Aaron Rodgers is in fact the starting
quarterback now for the Pittsburgh Steelers. Congratulations to surprise and
Steeler Nation.
Speaker 4 (18:25):
Is this a major shocker and a surprise? I mean,
this is what we've been waiting for. Correct. Yeah, and
then it's because nobody else wants them? Jeez damn well.
I mean, if you think about it, he's in a
situation where no one else wanted him. You clearly got
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a great understanding with with Pittsburgh in terms of what
it is that you wanted out of the situation. It's
a one year deal. I think there's a lot of people.
I think there's a lot of mixed feelings about this.
I think there are sides to this signing. You know,
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on one side, you have the people who are probably
excited because he now comes in and regardless of what
you think about Aaron Rodgers. The other side of it, people,
the people that are on the side of Aaron Rodgers
are clearly saying, we now have a quarterback that's better
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than the ones that we have on the current roster,
and that would be a true assessment. Again, I don't
know what the quarterback out of you know, out of
out of Ohio state that was drafted to the team is.
It's Will right Will Howard, Will Howard. I don't know
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what he will end up being as a pro. But
what I do know now and today, as I've made
mentioned quite a few times, you got to have somebody
who can stand up to what you're going to see
in the AFC North, when you see a team like
the Baltimore Ravens or the Cincinnati Bengals. You gotta have
a defense that can stand up to those offenses. And
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you gotta have an offense that can stand up and
score points against the defenses that you're going to see
against those top top end teams. And I'll even throw
Cleveland in there in terms of what what Pittsburgh is
going to have to see defense defensively, and we don't
know what we may get from them offensively, but Stefanski
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has in the past been pretty good at figuring out
ways to make the offense pretty formidable. So you get
what you're looking for if you're a pro Aaron Rodgers.
But I think the con Aaron Rodgers fans are looking
at it like, Okay, you brought in Aaron Rodgers. That's great,
whoopedee dude, you brought in a guy that's better than
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Mason Rudolph and Will Howard. That's what we're That's what
we're basing the win off of. Because if you're basing
the went off of just that solely and that alone,
how many games was Mason Rudolph going to give you
as a starter? Which, by the way, if Aaron Rodgers
can't hold up under what he's going to see defeat
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defensively against these AFC North teams and just at his age,
hold up against what he's going to have to do
physically for the season, then you might see Mason Rudolph.
It might have to be Will Howard the rookie. It
might have to be someone different who carries this team forward.
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And so to me, I feel like the way this
storyline unfolded, you have put the weight of the world
or the city, we should say, on the shoulders of
Aaron Rodgers coming into this scenario. If I'm Aaron Rodgers,
you you have a chance to end your career on
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a high note and with a football town and a
football fan base where you can be praised and admired
and reverenced to the same extreme and levels that you
experienced in Green Bay. Yeah, Or you could deal with
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the intensity of the hate and why did we do this?
And why is he here? And this is crazy? You
can deal with the disappointment and the anger of those
same fans at the same intensity level that you see
play out in Green Bay. Also, so it's a very
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It's to me, it's a fluid situation because I don't
think anybody knows what the hell is about to happen
in Pittsburgh. So intriguing storyline. It'll be interesting to see
how he integrates. It'll be interesting to see how the
media handles him, because it's not like the way Aaron
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Rodgers is is not how Pittsburgh is Aaron Rodgers has
a very West coast Ish type of approach to things.
Pittsburgh people get it out of the mud. They get up,
they get their lunch pails, they get their hard hats,
they go to the mill, they go to where they're going,
and they work their asses off. Very blue collar, very
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very simple, very plain, and they just want to hear
dudes say I'm come out and whoop your ass. Like
that's what Pittsburgh people like. We call it stell Town
because of the steel curtain, because we shipped steel, and
we make Heinz products and Clark products, like we ship
them out. We do what we need to do. We
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throw our steaks on those steal cooking pots and we
go Pittsburgh style with our steaks. We're not playing around,
no game playing. So I wonder I'm curious to when
he gets his first interviews, how is he going to
approach his interviews m unize versus you know, getting getting
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the uh the shot is not going to work. Trying
to be clever and creative and how you create, you know, communicate,
that's not going to work in Pittsburgh. So it'd be
interesting to see how he handles things, how he carries
himself and how that's received by the market that he's
in right now.
Speaker 2 (24:23):
So some people have made a big thing about the
fact that the super Bowl odds for the Steelers didn't
change after Rogers signed. Well, it's because it was probably
already baked in that they knew he was going to sign.
It wasn't a surprise as we laid out. So I
look at it and I go, I don't think this
is a super Bowl team.
Speaker 3 (24:42):
I hope I'm.
Speaker 2 (24:42):
Wrong, but I still think they're the third best team
in the division. And I and I think to myself
at the same time, Pittsburgh is a better team today
with Aaron Rodgers than without him. And so the conversation becomes, well,
why would Rogers if this isn't a super Bowl caliber team?
Speaker 3 (25:00):
And maybe that's you know.
Speaker 2 (25:02):
A long shot goal, and yeah, in a perfect world
that would happen, why would Rogers want to sign with Pittsburgh?
And my question and my thought on it is answer Well,
my thought on it, I think there was other options
for him. I think he could have gone elsewhere. He
would have maybe had to have competed for a job,
but I think Pittsburgh was appealing to him. For something
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that you laid out. I think he missed what he
had in green Bay, and it was furthered with his
experience with the Jets, and I think they're the appeal
to him with Pittsburgh, and we don't know what the contract,
what the numbers are. He said he would be willing
to play for ten million dollars. I don't think it
has anything to do with that, and I don't even
think it has to do with chasing another Super Bowl.
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I think he wants to go out the same way
that he came in. I think there was something about
the green Bay experience, even though he's a California guy
and all that, that I think he really missed because
when he got to the Jets, I mean, you got
an owner landing helicopters, you got a former coach who
was a foot fetish guy. You've got people getting fired,
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them blaming Rogers players not wanting to be there or
reporting and noto. It's like the whole thing was a disaster.
Madden ratings to evaluate players by the owner's son. The
whole thing was a clown show. And I think he
looked at it and said, man, I could walk away
right now. I've got my five hundred touchdowns, I'm a
first ballot Hall of Famer. I got to play with
my best friend again, DeVante Adams last year. I did
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everything I could possibly want to do in my career.
I just want to end it on the right note.
And this may result in a nine and eight season
and Tomlin gets to stay five hundred, but he signs
a one year deal because I think he's ready to
go out the right way, and I think that environment
in Pittsburgh makes sense for him if he wants to
bookend his career and finish it off the way that
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it started. Pittsburgh I think was the most appealing landing
spot for him.
Speaker 4 (26:58):
You said he had other options, Yeah, what were they?
Speaker 2 (27:02):
I think he could have gone to Tennessee, Okay, I
think the New York Giants would have been a possibility.
I think that Minnesota had he had he waited, or
had he been willing to sit behind a JJ McCarthy
or even have a further conversation with Kevin O'Connell about that,
I think that maybe would have been a possibility.
Speaker 3 (27:23):
Maybe the Niners like it's.
Speaker 2 (27:26):
It's not that there were a lot of options, But
I do think that he looked at Pittsburgh and said
that would makes sense. Look, the Saints could have signed him.
He could have gone to New Orleans like that. That
was another landing spot, potized.
Speaker 4 (27:37):
I think those are all I don't think those are
as strong options as you're making them sound. I think,
just in short, this was his only option. Let's be clear.
Those other ones you named, those aren't Those aren't real options.
What about retirement, I don't think. I don't. I think
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if retirement was the sole other option that he had,
he would have he would have retired. I think he
would have retired. And and so to me, when he
didn't retire in the timely fashion that it seemed like
he was, you know, you got a choice you have
to make, and he was shopping it around and everybody
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knew he wanted to try to get to Minnesota, and
Minnesota seemingly or bought into what they may be able
to get out of McCarthy. That was not an option
that was on the table for Aaron Rodgers, not as
a backup, not as anything. I just I don't I
don't agree with that, and I don't believe that as
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far as any of these other teams that are out here.
I don't believe those were legitimate options. I don't believe
the New Orleans Saints was a legitimate option. I don't
believe that, after all them quarterbacks they brought in to
to New York, that it was a legitimate option. And
it makes me very, very curious and very leary of
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the fact. We had the same conversation about Sam Darnald. Now,
I'm not going to compare careers obviously of Sam Donald
and Aaron Rodgers, but what I will compare is the
level of interest. And it's interesting because it kind of
dovetails into the Shador Sanders conversation as well. The market speaks,
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and when the market speaks, you gotta listen, whether you
like it or not, whether you want to create a situation.
I mean, god, Lee stephen Ay out here talking about
Shador Sanders reminded him of the Colin Kaepernick situation, Like,
you can sensationalize what the market says about you or not.
Speaker 3 (29:56):
Who's Colin Kaepernick?
Speaker 4 (29:59):
Dang, Yeah, Well it's been a while. You can sensationalize
what the wise in the house of what the market says,
but when that market comes out and it says what
you are, that's what you are, and the market said
that Aaron Rodgers is not good enough to be one
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of these quarterbacks that we're willing to risk taking in
the offseason and adding him to our roster. There was
only one team that was willing to not only meet
with him and want to bring him in, but pretty
much under the terms and the timeline that he felt
comfortable with doing, and that was the Pittsburgh Steelers.
Speaker 3 (30:45):
It only takes one.
Speaker 4 (30:46):
It only takes one, but in a league of thirty
one teams, because obviously he's not going to go back
to the New York Jets. In a thirty one team pool,
that only one is a team that to me, it's
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a very pivotal year for this team. And so for
there to only be one team that wants Aaron Rodgers,
my biggest question is how much does he have left?
And if you're basing bringing him in and feeling excited
about the season on who Aaron Rodgers was, I just
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feel like that's a dangerous decision to make if you're
the Pittsburgh Steelers, and and could ultimately it could be
it's a boomer bust situation. Jonas, Either it's boom and
you look at it, and you say the GM did
a great job, they took a chance, it worked out
and here they are, or it could be a costly mistake.
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I think that if it doesn't work out, you may
see changes come seasons in. I don't think it'll come
in season, just because of the type of organization they are.
But who's to say that if this thing goes as
bad as it looked and seemed and felt in New
York when he was there, I wouldn't be surprised if
Pittsburgh made a change during the course of the season.
Speaker 1 (32:14):
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Speaker 2 (32:24):
We mentioned the feel good news for the Indiana Pacers.
If you're an Indiana sports fan, you gotta feel good
about your Pacers. Gotta feel great about your Indiana Pacers.
And then the cultural around and they decided, you know what,
We're gonna draft Anthony Richardson to be our future franchise quarterback.
Speaker 3 (32:46):
He's going to be the.
Speaker 2 (32:46):
Guy, and we're gonna give him plenty of opportunities. And
this was a pivotal year. It was a big year
for Anthony Richardson and we're already off to a rough start.
Take it away, Colt's head coach, Ainstaking.
Speaker 7 (33:04):
Anthony sustained an injury in his throwing shoulder. Felt some
pain in it, Doctors, trainers checked it out. He's got
some aggravation and his ac joint. So we're gonna set
him out this week. Obviously, he'll sit out for mini camp.
We'll see when he comes back. Not gonna put a
timetable for training camp on it, but when he does
come back, we'll ease him into throwing and then we'll
go from there. The good thing is he's not gonna
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need a procedure right now, all right.
Speaker 2 (33:28):
So same shoulder that he had ac joint surgery on
in twenty twenty three, and now he's got something that's
popped up yet again and they're gonna hopefully have him
return at some point. No surgery yet, but the idea
is at some point during training camp he's going to
be there. But for right now he's out indefinitely, which
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does open up the door for Daniel Jones to take
the reins and just keep this thing on trucking.
Speaker 4 (34:00):
I mean, first of all, the door was already open
even if Anthony Richardson's ac joint was perfectly fine and intact.
I mean, I don't think anyone would dispute that piece
of information. Now the question becomes, does this become a
one horse situation with Daniel Jones and what the idea
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of moving forward, what that looks like for this team
and for Daniel Jones. That's what I would say. There's there,
I mean, there's just a lot of question marks surrounding
the number two team from the AFC South. You're in
a great position as a team to be able to
possibly compete with Houston for you know, for that that
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that first spot and that automatic you know, get into
the playoffs deal by winning your your your division. But
when you look at this, this cold team, how do
you find yourself feeling It's like you look at their
their depth chart, you look at their their team, and
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you would believe that with the talent that they have,
that they really could be a real contender. I mean,
at one point, not too long ago, in the distant past,
this was a team you looked at and said they
have the makings of a super Bowl, a Super Bowl
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contending team and they're I mean, they have some players
on defense, they have some players on offense. I mean,
Jonathan Taylor at one point was contending and competing to
be considered one of the top backs in this league.
Now he's dealt with a couple different setbacks, but for
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the most part, Jonathan Taylor when he's on, that's a
that's a pretty big piece of anybody's team puzzle. When
you have a guy that can run the ball the
way that he does, takes pressure off of guys like
Anthony Richardson and Daniel Jones. And we all know that
Daniel Jones had Sakwon Barkley to take that pressure off
of him. In New York, Michael Pittman Junior is a
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guy at the receiver's position that while he doesn't get
spoken on the level of like the Jamar Chases and
the Justin Jeffersons, you know, and that that type of
that type of rating and ranking of upper echelance elite,
you know, receivers, he's still a very very gifted football player.
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And keep in mind in the draft they got our
guy out of Penn State, which I don't understand why
people maybe try to downgrade him and not talk as
highly about Tyler Warren because he wasn't the first tight
end taking in the draft, but he is. If if
you're asking me who was the steel of the draft,
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it was then Danapolis Colts getting Tyler warn one hundred,
that's the steal.
Speaker 3 (37:04):
So but teach Haryld that's fine.
Speaker 4 (37:08):
Well you want that's the most valued pick for certain Again,
that's a whole other conversation because because it could take
you off into a whole nother conversation. If you get
a guy in the fifth round and you drafted in
the third round the same position, and you brought in
two free agents and that fifth round the ends up
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being your starter, that says a lot about that team
and a lot about the other teams in the league.
I'm just saying, but that's a whole other conversation. I
think that when you look at the Indianapolis Colts, Anthony
Richardson is in a position to solidify a job and
have that job with this personnel if he does what
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he needs to do. But it's also an opportunity for
Daniel Jones to try to resurrect or salvage a career
that maybe maybe he was unfairly judged. Maybe he becomes
the villain to Sakwan Barkley being the hero in this storyline.
I don't know, but I feel like the Colts are
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in a really, really good position in terms of being
able to have a good season in that season being
a win for their organization and for their team. And
yet again you're having conversations of not being clear and
not being sure on what Anthony Richardson is going to
bring to the table, and as a high draft pick,
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what is he going to represent and what is he
going to mean to this team and this franchise moving forward.
Speaker 2 (38:39):
Anthony Richardson's not getting this job back, and for all
intents and purposes, his career in Indianapolis is probably over.
He missed he only started four games his rookie year
because of injuries. He started eleven games last year, missed
a bunch because of either injuries or he got benched
and decided to take a knee during the course of
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a game. Obviously, young mistakes. Whatever the talent's there. We've
detailed the touchdown throw we had Week one, I believe
against Houston last year, which is one of the great
throws you'll ever see in the NFL. But the problem
is the injuries and the inconsistent play have cost him.
And now you've got a situation where you've got a
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quarterback who is fighting for his career to be saved
and a coach who's fighting for his job to be saved.
Because of Indianapolis struggles this year, Shane Steichen's probably gone.
So I look at it and I go, man, if
Daniel Jones just plays serviceable football and keeps them in
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the fight, Anthony Richardson isn't getting the job back.
Speaker 3 (39:46):
It's just not happening.
Speaker 2 (39:47):
If Daniel Jones, barring injury or poor play, I don't see.
I don't see how this turns out well for Anthony Richardson.
And I just think this was, as you mentioned, the
door was opened when they may the decision to sign
Daniel Jones. There's a reason why Daniel Jones wanted to
go there, why he signed with Indianapolis, because I think
he saw this as a real possibility, a real opportunity.
Speaker 3 (40:10):
To be the starter there.
Speaker 2 (40:11):
And now, if you're Indianapolis, if I was a Colts fan,
I would feel better about my team going into this
year with Daniel Jones. With Daniel Jones than I would
Anthony Richardson just from the standpoint of at least I
know what I'm going to get. At least I know
what I'm going to get. It may not be the
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greatest quarterback back play at times, but it's not like
Daniel Jones hasn't played good football for an extended period
of time. He's got an offensive minded coach there in
Shane Steikin who's done it with quarterbacks like he did
in Philly. With Anthony Richardson, I think it was too
much of a wild card, and I do think in
agreement with you that Indianapolis is in a better spot
today than they were yesterday.
Speaker 4 (40:56):
We just had to wait and see how it plays
out again. I think the the a f C South
is just a peculiar, curious division. Now, can I ask
the AFC deal.
Speaker 3 (41:08):
Let me ask you a question, though.
Speaker 2 (41:09):
All right, because last year when we were making our
season picks, you were so disenchanted with the a f
C South you didn't even bother of picking the order.
Speaker 3 (41:17):
I don't even know if you actually.
Speaker 2 (41:18):
Finished picking who you thought was going to win the
division because you were just so bored with it, which
I think is a natural reaction to the a f
C South, Like if we're being honest, so.
Speaker 4 (41:29):
Like why pick, Like what you're gonna You're gonna come
to the same conclusion again this year the Jaguars are
going to be a disappointment. It's like, Pete, It's like
you're going to be a disappointment.
Speaker 2 (41:42):
It's like somebody asked you, like, hey, which is your
favorite parking lot?
Speaker 3 (41:45):
I don't know who cares, Like, what do you mean I'm.
Speaker 4 (41:47):
Gonna have to walk from all of them? Yeah, if
they're in a parking space in like the front lot,
which is like the Texans. If it's not a lot
space in the Texans parking lot, then I don't want
I don't want to go in part. I gotta walk
from wherever ile.
Speaker 3 (42:03):
So I'm going, hey, rank your favorite seven elevens. What
do you mean they're all the same? Like, they're all
the same. They're in a CD part of town.
Speaker 2 (42:11):
You go there, you just hope your car is still
intact when you get out to the like this is
it is? What It's like, they're all You look at
all these teams, they're kind of all the same. Like
there's not really a like there's a reason why, you know,
they probably invented the color rush game because it was like,
hey man, how could we get people to actually want
to watch Jacksonville Tennessee. I know, let's do something goofy
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with their jerseys and hope people are adjusting their televisions
and we can draw rating because they've.
Speaker 3 (42:37):
Got it on the TV long enough.
Speaker 4 (42:39):
Like I just so.
Speaker 2 (42:40):
Now you've got Indianapolis, who's in this spot that we
don't know what the hell Houston's going to look like.
They got a bunch of changes with their you know,
their offensive coaching staff that they had to make.
Speaker 3 (42:51):
You got CJ.
Speaker 2 (42:52):
Stroud who's not throwing because of quote general soreness. Jacksonville
who the hell knows. And Tennessee, he's got a rookie
quarterback Shane Stikeen's looking at this like, hey man, I
gotta save my job. We've got a quarterback who's banged
up again and took a knee last year and we
can't depend on him. I'll just ride with Daniel Jones
and see if we can get this team out of
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the playoffs. And I can and I can save my
gig here in Indianapolis.
Speaker 3 (43:17):
That's what it feels like to me.
Speaker 4 (43:19):
I mean, if you believe that Liam Cohen is going
to come in and have people on the duvou and
totally change what the cadence has been there in Jacksonville,
then be excited. You know, it's just as open for
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Cohen and company to come in and assert and apply
themselves into a situation where they could be atop the
AFC South. Same thing could happen for the you know,
I ain't gonna say Tennessee, but definitely for the Colts.
I just feel like with Houston, I don't know what
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I'm going to get, but I do know they're going
to win. This is what I do know. The Houston
Texans are going to win because they have CJ. Stroud
at quarterback. Now, how impressive will they be? Will they
be able to stay at top of the AFC South?
If I'm a betting man, I'm going to say yes.
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But did any of those other teams do anything to
really shut down the gap between them and the Texans?
I would say definitively no, you haven't shut down the gap.
And listen, I think that that Travis Hunter will be
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an amazing addition to the Jacksonville Jaguars, but I do
not look at them and until Trevor Lawrence proves that
he's more than what he's been. I don't really I
don't look at Jacksonville as favorably as I did when
the excitement was still there for Trevor Lawrence and what
he could bring to the table as a franchise generational quarterback.
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He's just been pretty pretty on Parr like and I
would say maybe even one over Parr, you know.
Speaker 3 (45:17):
But and that's that's given him the benefit.
Speaker 4 (45:19):
Of the doubt, that's given him a little bit. That's yeah.
So to me, I don't know what Tennessee is going
to do. I still think like Tennessee is going to
be a seller dweller, even though I have just watched
I watched the McNair Untold Untold story yesterday, and he
really did in his you know, inaugural year. He really
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did an excellent job with with Tennessee.
Speaker 2 (45:43):
You watched you watch that McNair doc Okay, what was
your immediate just the whole it's probably more interesting than
the AFC South conversation. All right, what was your immediate
takeaway from watching the Steve McNair documentary, Because I'll tell
you what mine was. It didn't it didn't tell me
anything there was I took. I got nothing from it. Okay, yeah,
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we get it. Very very weird, a very weird situation.
And it seems like more went on. Any answers, Nope,
just speculations.
Speaker 4 (46:11):
Awesome, and that's I walked away from it still wondering, like, Okay,
it seemed like they came to the real conclusion that
the girlfriend did it and maybe just maybe that's what
it was. But I still feel like I walked away
from it, like there was foul play. It could have
been it could have been the guy that they they
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found that that sold the gun, that bought the gun,
and if you guys watched the documentary you'll know what
I'm talking about. It could have been him that did it,
ran up on him, maybe stole something, whatever. I don't
know because they didn't make it a point like could
have been a robbery that took place. Was there anything missing?
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I don't think that they even went through any of that,
like nothing was missing. When when they just came to
the conclusion that she did both of them. She hit
him and then she hit herself, you know what I mean.
Speaker 2 (47:07):
Like the way they details it, well, she wanted to
end up in his lap, and it's like, well if
you if you make the decision to call it a day,
I don't think you really get to determine where you land.
Speaker 4 (47:23):
It's it's really don't.
Speaker 3 (47:24):
Like it's like you know, throwing up a hail Mary
and getting kicked.
Speaker 4 (47:29):
Off and being like, damn, she was on the floor, right,
she ended up on the floor. Yeah, just you know,
all I'll say is Jonas is the first thing tristaid
when she was watching, and she was like the wife.
It was the wife. The wife would and got him.
And I never thought of it that way. I never
even looked at it that way, like dang, Like you know,
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you can draw different conclusions from it, you know that,
Like they had the boyfriend as one of the main
peace people that they interviewed to try to piece the
story together.
Speaker 3 (48:02):
Thanks for that thought. Now I got to clear all
my messages, Jesus.
Speaker 4 (48:06):
I mean, it's just there. I think there's different angles
in which you could look at. They tried to blame
the best friend of falling out. It could have been him,
but there's the idea that they What I feel is
interesting about that, Doc Jonas is that they positioned you
to try to figure out who committed the crime. It
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wasn't this lady did it, And here's how she did it,
here's why she did it. Here's definitive information that proves
that this was who did it. I didn't come away
from it feeling that way. I came away from that
doc having more questions than you know to ask, needing
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answered than questions answered from watching it.
Speaker 2 (48:54):
And it was if they were like, all right, the end,
now you figure it out. No, that's not that's not
our job. Our like it's been all these years later.
The guy who's done a great job, by the way,
on the Steve McNair murder suice, whatever you want to
call it, armand Katayan, Yeah, has done a great job.
And I think he's been pretty consistent if I remember correctly,
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that he doesn't buy the story like he doesn't buy
just every detail of the story that's been laid out
in the way and the way it all happened. It
just it's a sad story, no doubt, But there's just
something about it that has never landed right with me.
Speaker 4 (49:33):
It just seems too too clean to direct it and
put it on her.
Speaker 2 (49:38):
And by the way, how about the fact that we're
coming up on the sixteen year anniversary.
Speaker 4 (49:42):
That's crazy. It's such a that one rocked the football
communities to the core. I mean, there's so many people
that can remember. I can remember exactly where I was too,
the vehicle I was driving, the city at I was in,
what I was doing, I was driving when that that
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information hit. It's one of the most airy, like empty,
sad feelings, like numb feelings that you could possibly have.
And I didn't even know Steve that well. We were
at the Pro Bowl. The only time that I ever
really spent with him and had a conversation was very brief,
and it was at the Pro Bowl. We were on
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the elevator together, and it was the year he was
a co MVP with Peyton Manning and we we were
heading down to the lobby and had a conversation in
the elevator, real real cordial dude, real good dude. Like
you know, he was like, yeah, I'm just I'm glad
youating in our division. Da da dad this, And now
he was gassing me. And I liked it when the
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dude gased you up at that point in your career.
So I don't know, man, I just I did come
away from that that that untold with more questions versus like,
how do you how do you come to the rest
on the conclusion that it was a murder and a
suicide deal? How do you come away with it as
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that's your conclusion. I felt like there was just a
lot a lot of questions that were remaining at the
end of that, and you probably won't get another documentary
that clears it up. That's the interesting thing about it.
They do a lot of stuff with with Brett Farr,
but in reality, this is one of the ones where
you'd be like then Aaron Hernandez, but this one has
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more storyline plot twist if they dig a little deeper,
if you ask me, than even Aaron Hernandez a situation.
Speaker 2 (51:38):
And that'll wrap up our preview of the could a
girlfriend here on the show?
Speaker 4 (51:44):
He could have been one of the other girlfriends. There
was clearly other people involved that we didn't even really
get an opportunity to even get them developed in the storyline,
you know what I mean. And there's somebody sitting back
somewhere like I really got away with this. Yeah, I
really did this, and I'm still free. I'm really going
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to do it.
Speaker 3 (52:06):
There you go and uh those are our picks to
win the a f C South
This is the best of two pros and a couple
Joe with Lamar rating Win and Jonas Knox on radio.
Speaker 2 (00:13):
And you know it's appropriate. We're listening to the Narcos
theme song here as the show starts. Because there was
an old method back in the day where Pablo Escobar,
when he wanted to rid himself of his competitors, he
would throw them into.
Speaker 3 (00:28):
A lagoon full of hippopotamuses.
Speaker 4 (00:32):
Oh it was he throw them in there.
Speaker 2 (00:35):
He's got these pet hippos and he would throw him
in there and just let him go at it. And
I don't even think the Pablo Escobar could throw the
Indiana Pacers in with a pawn full of hippos and
get rid of them, because that.
Speaker 3 (00:48):
Team does not die. They are a zombie.
Speaker 2 (00:54):
They did it again last night. It's unbelievable. It's just
it's unbel to watch that game. And I'm watching long, thinking, man, Okay,
see better extend this. If you don't push it to
twenty and you keep them within four five ish possessions,
they're gonna figure this thing out. And as the game
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went down to the wire, they made play after play
after play. Even lou Dort makes a great block on
Nie Smith and you're like, oh, okay, well that was
the real crucial play that had to be had. Pascal
Siakam goes out of bounds, they challenge it, call stands.
Speaker 3 (01:33):
Okay, see gets the ball back.
Speaker 2 (01:34):
You're like, okay, that's the one that's gonna be ultimately
what pushes Okac over the top. And it's just not
because Indiana refused to die. Awesome Game one of the
NBA Finals last night.
Speaker 4 (01:47):
I mean, it was what the NBA if they could
have drawn it up man. And I hate to be
the I told you so type of guy, but it
is I told you so type a moment where if
Indiana wins that game, it's it makes the series more watchable,
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more interesting. If Indiana wins the game the way it
was drawn up yesterday, it makes the series way more
attractive to watch and want to be a part of.
I mean, you think about it. In this game you're
talking about the Pacers set a record on turnovers. That's
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how or excuse me, not a record, but it was
the season high, season high twenty five turnovers, and yet
they were still over able to overcome the deficit of
the entire game, never led the entire game and the
only time they lead is when they win. You couldn't
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have drawn it up any better for a viewer to
want to watch, because it took you to the entire game.
Unless at the point a time where they were down
I want to say it was by at least fifteen.
I want to say they were down by If you
if you dowed out, if you dialed out in the
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second half, like the third quarter, based upon what the
score was, then you missed. You missed the treat of
a game. But to see the way Indiana fights back
and claw their way back and get into games, the
way that they do, they held to form this is
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you can't say that this was a luck game or
you know they some way, somehow, you know, the OKC
thunder gave the game away. They shot poorly, they shot poorly.
And while OKAC shot poorly, you know what Indiana did.
They just kept getting after it. They were slashing to
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the hole, which I was loving to see as they
were being aggressive getting to the hole. They were kicking
the ball out. Guys were finding their range. You start
seeing contributions come from from different guys, you know. In
the comeback, it just it's one of those games where
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you ask yourself, you know, did did okay see did
okay see open up a door that they shouldn't have
opened up in this series? Or was it one of
those first game, first game jitters? You're at home. Sometimes
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being at home can actually play against you a little bit.
You know, you you might not for some reason, you
might not play as loose. And maybe it's because of
the excitement. Maybe is because it's your home crowd. There's
just certain reasons why sometimes teams play a little bit better,
a little bit more relaxed when they're on the road.
But this one was a hit scratcher. I think if
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you had to come up with a way to kind
of sum up what last night represented, it was still
a head scratcher that this type of a pendulum swing
could take place in a game in the NBA Finals.
To this, to this.
Speaker 2 (05:33):
Degree, the guy who hit the game winner, Tyres Halliburton,
spoke afterwards, there.
Speaker 5 (05:38):
Was never a disbelief as a group. Honestly, you know,
we never think the game is over ever. Honestly speaking, ever,
like the never that never creeps in. I think we
just keep talking as a group, is how can we
walk this team down? So it's at twelve going in
a halftime. We talk about, if we can win one
quarter by six, one quarter by seven, will be in
a great spot. We got to a six point game
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at the end of the third quarter and Sha hit
a three, but we liked where we were, and then
they went on a big run to start the fourth
and we just say, okay, it's that fifteen with kid
to ten. Well we got it to eight. They call
time out, so we just stay with it. So this
group never gives up. We never believe that the game
is over until it hit zero.
Speaker 2 (06:16):
And that's a real calculated zombie right there. That's one
that's not just one of these Well I'm just going
to get.
Speaker 4 (06:21):
Up and eat everybody.
Speaker 2 (06:22):
It's like, no, no, no, I'm just going to get up
and this is how I'm gonna do it. It's gonna
come in sections. It's going to go one body part
by the next, and I'm going to figure out a
way to make Halliburton wasn't even good.
Speaker 3 (06:34):
It's not like he had a great game.
Speaker 2 (06:35):
He didn't have some some monster game that you look
at and go, man, he willed his team to victory.
But when he was coming down with that ball following
the miss by SGA. There wasn't a doubt in my
mind that he was going to hit that shot. You
just you felt it. I think the arena felt it.
And there's probably Okay, see thunderfans that are looking around going.
Speaker 3 (06:57):
What the hell happened? Yeah, and I'll tell you what happened.
Speaker 2 (07:01):
What happened was the same thing that happened in every
single playoff series that Indiana's been involved in.
Speaker 4 (07:07):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (07:07):
You leave him hanging around for long enough. You don't
step on the throat, you don't finish putting their head
in the vice like that guy in Goodfellas and put
it into the whole thing. You let him hang around
and they ultimately end up making plays to win.
Speaker 3 (07:21):
That's a fun.
Speaker 4 (07:22):
Team, you know. I told you. Like the second hour
they play the theme song one of the parts of
Thirteenth Warrior. Yeah, and what I felt like took place
in Last Games last night's game was comparable to a
scene in Thirteenth Warrior. So there was a guy, he
was one of the Norsemen that came with Bouvi to
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help with the evil that they had to fight against.
That the village was that sent for for them. You
know what they were facing. Well, the son of the
king of the people that sent for Bouvie and his
crew to come, you know, he was not as respectful
and receptive to them coming to help. And he felt
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like him and his crew could handle the evil that
was coming their way. And he had one big dude
that was there, and one of the smaller dudes that
bouv brought with him, you know, picked a fight with him.
You know, and this this reminds me of that game
last night, right, Okay, see the big, tall, strong dude,
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and you got this little dude over here, and he's
he's digging. Everybody's digging trenches and he's throwing the mud
on the guy right hits him with the mud boom, hitting,
get him dirty. He's like, hey, little man, what are
you doing? And he picks a fight with him. So
they picked a fight. They get in the ring and
you know, they're hitting their shields and he's just letting
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this big dude wail on him, just bang, bang, cracks
his cracks his shield and I think they get like
four shields, five ship in the fight or whatever. Little
dude ain't messed up. Not one of the shields that
this big dude is has ain't really made him do
anything to make him feel as though he could hurt him.
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And the confidence of the big dude is growing by
every single shield that he's crushing on this little dude.
He gets to the last the last shield they're fighting,
boom boom boom, and the big dude does it again bang,
just like what the OKC Thunder was doing in his game,
seemingly looking like they were just too much, they were
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going to overpower them. He breaks the shield. The little
dude kneels down and and like looking like he's being defeated.
It almost looks like it's just defeat. He's too weak,
he's too small, he's not he's not nearly the warrior
that the other guy is. And the other guy looks
at you know what I guess would be the coach.
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He looks at the King's son and the King's sons like, yeah,
doing you know, finish it? Chop that man's head off
and show these norsemen they're not as tough as they
think they are and they need to listen to what
I need, what I'm going to say, what I want
to do. So the guy picks up his he picks
up his sword to go knock his head off, and
the little dude hits him with one of them little
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like little moves like put sword in the big dude,
put sword in a big dude. And when he hit him,
he said he was a brave one, right, And so
all this time you're beating the hell out of this dude.
In the entire time, it was a strategy to get
him to the proper place of where he wanted to
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get him and took him out. And then all of
the village people are looking like they were confused. You know,
they live by what they can see, but now you're
giving them something that they can't see they got to
think about. Keeps them off guard, and that maintains the
fear the point of the story. Sometimes you can't judge
it by the way it looks. Case looks like they're
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the big, big, strong dude that that can knock you
down and take you out because they're so deep with
their their you know, with their bench, they have so
many strong starters. They got seven footers to go along
with it. But you beat up on these dudes for
for a half of basketball, really, really, I mean you didn't,
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you didn't beat them up as well as you should
have in the second half, but for the most part,
you still maintained your lead throughout the second half of
the of the game until the end. And then at
the end they make a move and chop your head
off and looked at the crowd, and now the crowd
is like all stunned, like, wait, did they just beat
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our champion? Like did they just take him down? They
just took out the champion. And now, okaysee has to
figure out how they're going to move forward in this
series because what I felt took place in this first game,
even though they didn't shoot their best. I bet you
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OKAC was ready to come out of that game and say,
you know, we didn't shoot our best, but we defended
home court. We had good we had a good showing.
Even though guys didn't shoot well from the perimeter. Our
shots weren't they weren't going down. Maybe our shots selection
could have been better, but yet we were still good
enough to win this game and win the game handily.
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You couldn't come out of the game saying that. Now
now you had to say, dang, like we didn't play
as well as we could have, but we had the
game in hand, on our way to a victory. In
some way, somehow Indiana found a way to beat us.
Speaker 3 (12:41):
That's right.
Speaker 4 (12:42):
That's a very very hard that's a hard riddle to solve.
If I'm OKC, maybe they don't think too much of it,
but maybe they are. You got one more game there,
You got one more game there. And and I think
this is such a pivotal game for OKC because they
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cannot allow, they cannot allow for Indiana to gain any
more confidence than what they've gained being able to come
out of that game the way they did.
Speaker 2 (13:19):
You mentioned the thought process and mentality of Oklahoma City
after that game last night, SGA, their superstar, the MVP,
spoke about it, following.
Speaker 6 (13:27):
It as much as we can, we just got to
treat it like every other game, every other situation we've
been in. Yes, we haven't been in the situation, but
it doesn't mean our character has a change er what
we did last time. It's still basketball, still the game
of basketball that we grew up playing. The rules don't
change its because we're in the finals. So it's like
we've been in a situation before and then other situation.
Speaker 4 (13:48):
We handled it. We handled it well.
Speaker 6 (13:50):
We were better for game two, and that's the goal.
Speaker 2 (13:52):
They are currently an eleven point favorite in game two,
so the overwhelming expectation is, well, they respond and they'll
come back out. And it's like, look, you could feel
any kind of way you want to feel about it.
A lot of people said the same thing about the Knicks. Listen,
they should have won that game in game one. One
are the chances India and what happened? Indiana came out
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and they were actually better in game two, Like, that's
that's the if. This would have been Indiana's best shot
and their best shot was able to overcome a deficit
by Okac who didn't make enough plays down the stretch.
I'd feel better about it if I was a Thunder fan,
because I would look at it and go, well, yeah,
the likelihood of them playing that good again is small,
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especially on the road. The problem is Indiana didn't play
that great. Halliburton didn't have a great game as far
as his getting to the basket, you know, getting whatever
shot he won. He was actually passed, like giving the
ball up at times when he probably could have made
a play at the rim. So I look at it
and I go, this makes me that much more interested
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in game two, and it wouldn't not surprise me whatsoever
if Indiana was able to keep that close. And if
it's close as we've seen, I don't know that you
trust any other team in the playoffs to make a
play down the stretch.
Speaker 4 (15:09):
And you do Indiana more than you know. What makes
me think of a scene out of a movie, Like
it's like that moment where Rocky punches Ivan Drago and
he cutting, and he went back to he went back
to the corner and Rocky's corners like you're cutting, you see,
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you see, he's a man, He's a man. And then
Ivan Drago's sitting there like looking at it like this
is blood. It's blood, it's my blood. It's my blood, right,
and then he realized that this little man could beat him.
And again comes back to the David and Goliath type
of of storyline here, this is a David Goliath type
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of series. Obviously, Goliath being Okac, David being the pacers.
I just think that this was a very debilitating loss.
Like I understand what SGA is saying, and he's right,
that's the right way of looking at it, that's the
right approach. But jonas if I'm OKC. That is the
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worst loss that you could have possibly taken. Was the
first one last night? Yeah at home?
Speaker 2 (16:19):
Not great, not great, but great for us because it
makes it that much more entertaining. It is two Pros
and a cup of Joe here on Fox Sports Radio,
LeVar Arrington, Jonas Knox with you. By the way, we
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Speaker 4 (16:38):
Come on, Bar, come on, yeah, yeah, we got some basketball.
It's football Friday. But we got some basketball. We talked
about the NBA. But it's a football Friday. It's a football.
It's Friday. It's a football Friday. Football Friday. Come on,
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Football Friday. What's wrong with Jonas? Did you just use
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come on now, Mark, let's do it. Let's do it
for Eddie. Friday night is a football Friday. Yeah, fall Friday.
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Rock them, suck them, throw it, catch it.
Speaker 3 (17:27):
It is a football Friday.
Speaker 1 (17:28):
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Speaker 2 (17:45):
Those Pittsburgh Steelers got some good news yesterday.
Speaker 4 (17:50):
Did they?
Speaker 2 (17:52):
Aaron Rodgers it's official, signs a one year deal with
Pittsburgh and he will participate in next week's mini camp.
No surprise whatsoever. Brady Quinn had called his shot on this,
he had sourced this weeks ago, and here we are,
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lo and behold, Aaron Rodgers is in fact the starting
quarterback now for the Pittsburgh Steelers. Congratulations to surprise and
Steeler Nation.
Speaker 4 (18:25):
Is this a major shocker and a surprise? I mean,
this is what we've been waiting for. Correct. Yeah, and
then it's because nobody else wants them? Jeez damn well.
I mean, if you think about it, he's in a
situation where no one else wanted him. You clearly got
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a great understanding with with Pittsburgh in terms of what
it is that you wanted out of the situation. It's
a one year deal. I think there's a lot of people.
I think there's a lot of mixed feelings about this.
I think there are sides to this signing. You know,
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on one side, you have the people who are probably
excited because he now comes in and regardless of what
you think about Aaron Rodgers. The other side of it, people,
the people that are on the side of Aaron Rodgers
are clearly saying, we now have a quarterback that's better
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than the ones that we have on the current roster,
and that would be a true assessment. Again, I don't
know what the quarterback out of you know, out of
out of Ohio state that was drafted to the team is.
It's Will right Will Howard, Will Howard. I don't know
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what he will end up being as a pro. But
what I do know now and today, as I've made
mentioned quite a few times, you got to have somebody
who can stand up to what you're going to see
in the AFC North, when you see a team like
the Baltimore Ravens or the Cincinnati Bengals. You gotta have
a defense that can stand up to those offenses. And
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you gotta have an offense that can stand up and
score points against the defenses that you're going to see
against those top top end teams. And I'll even throw
Cleveland in there in terms of what what Pittsburgh is
going to have to see defense defensively, and we don't
know what we may get from them offensively, but Stefanski
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has in the past been pretty good at figuring out
ways to make the offense pretty formidable. So you get
what you're looking for if you're a pro Aaron Rodgers.
But I think the con Aaron Rodgers fans are looking
at it like, Okay, you brought in Aaron Rodgers. That's great,
whoopedee dude, you brought in a guy that's better than
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Mason Rudolph and Will Howard. That's what we're That's what
we're basing the win off of. Because if you're basing
the went off of just that solely and that alone,
how many games was Mason Rudolph going to give you
as a starter? Which, by the way, if Aaron Rodgers
can't hold up under what he's going to see defeat
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defensively against these AFC North teams and just at his age,
hold up against what he's going to have to do
physically for the season, then you might see Mason Rudolph.
It might have to be Will Howard the rookie. It
might have to be someone different who carries this team forward.
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And so to me, I feel like the way this
storyline unfolded, you have put the weight of the world
or the city, we should say, on the shoulders of
Aaron Rodgers coming into this scenario. If I'm Aaron Rodgers,
you you have a chance to end your career on
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a high note and with a football town and a
football fan base where you can be praised and admired
and reverenced to the same extreme and levels that you
experienced in Green Bay. Yeah, Or you could deal with
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the intensity of the hate and why did we do this?
And why is he here? And this is crazy? You
can deal with the disappointment and the anger of those
same fans at the same intensity level that you see
play out in Green Bay. Also, so it's a very
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It's to me, it's a fluid situation because I don't
think anybody knows what the hell is about to happen
in Pittsburgh. So intriguing storyline. It'll be interesting to see
how he integrates. It'll be interesting to see how the
media handles him, because it's not like the way Aaron
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Rodgers is is not how Pittsburgh is Aaron Rodgers has
a very West coast Ish type of approach to things.
Pittsburgh people get it out of the mud. They get up,
they get their lunch pails, they get their hard hats,
they go to the mill, they go to where they're going,
and they work their asses off. Very blue collar, very
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very simple, very plain, and they just want to hear
dudes say I'm come out and whoop your ass. Like
that's what Pittsburgh people like. We call it stell Town
because of the steel curtain, because we shipped steel, and
we make Heinz products and Clark products, like we ship
them out. We do what we need to do. We
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throw our steaks on those steal cooking pots and we
go Pittsburgh style with our steaks. We're not playing around,
no game playing. So I wonder I'm curious to when
he gets his first interviews, how is he going to
approach his interviews m unize versus you know, getting getting
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the uh the shot is not going to work. Trying
to be clever and creative and how you create, you know, communicate,
that's not going to work in Pittsburgh. So it'd be
interesting to see how he handles things, how he carries
himself and how that's received by the market that he's
in right now.
Speaker 2 (24:23):
So some people have made a big thing about the
fact that the super Bowl odds for the Steelers didn't
change after Rogers signed. Well, it's because it was probably
already baked in that they knew he was going to sign.
It wasn't a surprise as we laid out. So I
look at it and I go, I don't think this
is a super Bowl team.
Speaker 3 (24:42):
I hope I'm.
Speaker 2 (24:42):
Wrong, but I still think they're the third best team
in the division. And I and I think to myself
at the same time, Pittsburgh is a better team today
with Aaron Rodgers than without him. And so the conversation becomes, well,
why would Rogers if this isn't a super Bowl caliber team?
Speaker 3 (25:00):
And maybe that's you know.
Speaker 2 (25:02):
A long shot goal, and yeah, in a perfect world
that would happen, why would Rogers want to sign with Pittsburgh?
And my question and my thought on it is answer Well,
my thought on it, I think there was other options
for him. I think he could have gone elsewhere. He
would have maybe had to have competed for a job,
but I think Pittsburgh was appealing to him. For something
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that you laid out. I think he missed what he
had in green Bay, and it was furthered with his
experience with the Jets, and I think they're the appeal
to him with Pittsburgh, and we don't know what the contract,
what the numbers are. He said he would be willing
to play for ten million dollars. I don't think it
has anything to do with that, and I don't even
think it has to do with chasing another Super Bowl.
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I think he wants to go out the same way
that he came in. I think there was something about
the green Bay experience, even though he's a California guy
and all that, that I think he really missed because
when he got to the Jets, I mean, you got
an owner landing helicopters, you got a former coach who
was a foot fetish guy. You've got people getting fired,
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them blaming Rogers players not wanting to be there or
reporting and noto. It's like the whole thing was a disaster.
Madden ratings to evaluate players by the owner's son. The
whole thing was a clown show. And I think he
looked at it and said, man, I could walk away
right now. I've got my five hundred touchdowns, I'm a
first ballot Hall of Famer. I got to play with
my best friend again, DeVante Adams last year. I did
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everything I could possibly want to do in my career.
I just want to end it on the right note.
And this may result in a nine and eight season
and Tomlin gets to stay five hundred, but he signs
a one year deal because I think he's ready to
go out the right way, and I think that environment
in Pittsburgh makes sense for him if he wants to
bookend his career and finish it off the way that
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it started. Pittsburgh I think was the most appealing landing
spot for him.
Speaker 4 (26:58):
You said he had other options, Yeah, what were they?
Speaker 2 (27:02):
I think he could have gone to Tennessee, Okay, I
think the New York Giants would have been a possibility.
I think that Minnesota had he had he waited, or
had he been willing to sit behind a JJ McCarthy
or even have a further conversation with Kevin O'Connell about that,
I think that maybe would have been a possibility.
Speaker 3 (27:23):
Maybe the Niners like it's.
Speaker 2 (27:26):
It's not that there were a lot of options, But
I do think that he looked at Pittsburgh and said
that would makes sense. Look, the Saints could have signed him.
He could have gone to New Orleans like that. That
was another landing spot, potized.
Speaker 4 (27:37):
I think those are all I don't think those are
as strong options as you're making them sound. I think,
just in short, this was his only option. Let's be clear.
Those other ones you named, those aren't Those aren't real options.
What about retirement, I don't think. I don't. I think
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if retirement was the sole other option that he had,
he would have he would have retired. I think he
would have retired. And and so to me, when he
didn't retire in the timely fashion that it seemed like
he was, you know, you got a choice you have
to make, and he was shopping it around and everybody
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knew he wanted to try to get to Minnesota, and
Minnesota seemingly or bought into what they may be able
to get out of McCarthy. That was not an option
that was on the table for Aaron Rodgers, not as
a backup, not as anything. I just I don't I
don't agree with that, and I don't believe that as
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far as any of these other teams that are out here.
I don't believe those were legitimate options. I don't believe
the New Orleans Saints was a legitimate option. I don't
believe that, after all them quarterbacks they brought in to
to New York, that it was a legitimate option. And
it makes me very, very curious and very leary of
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the fact. We had the same conversation about Sam Darnald. Now,
I'm not going to compare careers obviously of Sam Donald
and Aaron Rodgers, but what I will compare is the
level of interest. And it's interesting because it kind of
dovetails into the Shador Sanders conversation as well. The market speaks,
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and when the market speaks, you gotta listen, whether you
like it or not, whether you want to create a situation.
I mean, god, Lee stephen Ay out here talking about
Shador Sanders reminded him of the Colin Kaepernick situation, Like,
you can sensationalize what the market says about you or not.
Speaker 3 (29:56):
Who's Colin Kaepernick?
Speaker 4 (29:59):
Dang, Yeah, Well it's been a while. You can sensationalize
what the wise in the house of what the market says,
but when that market comes out and it says what
you are, that's what you are, and the market said
that Aaron Rodgers is not good enough to be one
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of these quarterbacks that we're willing to risk taking in
the offseason and adding him to our roster. There was
only one team that was willing to not only meet
with him and want to bring him in, but pretty
much under the terms and the timeline that he felt
comfortable with doing, and that was the Pittsburgh Steelers.
Speaker 3 (30:45):
It only takes one.
Speaker 4 (30:46):
It only takes one, but in a league of thirty
one teams, because obviously he's not going to go back
to the New York Jets. In a thirty one team pool,
that only one is a team that to me, it's
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a very pivotal year for this team. And so for
there to only be one team that wants Aaron Rodgers,
my biggest question is how much does he have left?
And if you're basing bringing him in and feeling excited
about the season on who Aaron Rodgers was, I just
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feel like that's a dangerous decision to make if you're
the Pittsburgh Steelers, and and could ultimately it could be
it's a boomer bust situation. Jonas, Either it's boom and
you look at it, and you say the GM did
a great job, they took a chance, it worked out
and here they are, or it could be a costly mistake.
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I think that if it doesn't work out, you may
see changes come seasons in. I don't think it'll come
in season, just because of the type of organization they are.
But who's to say that if this thing goes as
bad as it looked and seemed and felt in New
York when he was there, I wouldn't be surprised if
Pittsburgh made a change during the course of the season.
Speaker 1 (32:14):
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Speaker 2 (32:24):
We mentioned the feel good news for the Indiana Pacers.
If you're an Indiana sports fan, you gotta feel good
about your Pacers. Gotta feel great about your Indiana Pacers.
And then the cultural around and they decided, you know what,
We're gonna draft Anthony Richardson to be our future franchise quarterback.
Speaker 3 (32:46):
He's going to be the.
Speaker 2 (32:46):
Guy, and we're gonna give him plenty of opportunities. And
this was a pivotal year. It was a big year
for Anthony Richardson and we're already off to a rough start.
Take it away, Colt's head coach, Ainstaking.
Speaker 7 (33:04):
Anthony sustained an injury in his throwing shoulder. Felt some
pain in it, Doctors, trainers checked it out. He's got
some aggravation and his ac joint. So we're gonna set
him out this week. Obviously, he'll sit out for mini camp.
We'll see when he comes back. Not gonna put a
timetable for training camp on it, but when he does
come back, we'll ease him into throwing and then we'll
go from there. The good thing is he's not gonna
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need a procedure right now, all right.
Speaker 2 (33:28):
So same shoulder that he had ac joint surgery on
in twenty twenty three, and now he's got something that's
popped up yet again and they're gonna hopefully have him
return at some point. No surgery yet, but the idea
is at some point during training camp he's going to
be there. But for right now he's out indefinitely, which
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does open up the door for Daniel Jones to take
the reins and just keep this thing on trucking.
Speaker 4 (34:00):
I mean, first of all, the door was already open
even if Anthony Richardson's ac joint was perfectly fine and intact.
I mean, I don't think anyone would dispute that piece
of information. Now the question becomes, does this become a
one horse situation with Daniel Jones and what the idea
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of moving forward, what that looks like for this team
and for Daniel Jones. That's what I would say. There's there,
I mean, there's just a lot of question marks surrounding
the number two team from the AFC South. You're in
a great position as a team to be able to
possibly compete with Houston for you know, for that that
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that first spot and that automatic you know, get into
the playoffs deal by winning your your your division. But
when you look at this, this cold team, how do
you find yourself feeling It's like you look at their
their depth chart, you look at their their team, and
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you would believe that with the talent that they have,
that they really could be a real contender. I mean,
at one point, not too long ago, in the distant past,
this was a team you looked at and said they
have the makings of a super Bowl, a Super Bowl
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contending team and they're I mean, they have some players
on defense, they have some players on offense. I mean,
Jonathan Taylor at one point was contending and competing to
be considered one of the top backs in this league.
Now he's dealt with a couple different setbacks, but for
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the most part, Jonathan Taylor when he's on, that's a
that's a pretty big piece of anybody's team puzzle. When
you have a guy that can run the ball the
way that he does, takes pressure off of guys like
Anthony Richardson and Daniel Jones. And we all know that
Daniel Jones had Sakwon Barkley to take that pressure off
of him. In New York, Michael Pittman Junior is a
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guy at the receiver's position that while he doesn't get
spoken on the level of like the Jamar Chases and
the Justin Jeffersons, you know, and that that type of
that type of rating and ranking of upper echelance elite,
you know, receivers, he's still a very very gifted football player.
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And keep in mind in the draft they got our
guy out of Penn State, which I don't understand why
people maybe try to downgrade him and not talk as
highly about Tyler Warren because he wasn't the first tight
end taking in the draft, but he is. If if
you're asking me who was the steel of the draft,
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it was then Danapolis Colts getting Tyler warn one hundred,
that's the steal.
Speaker 3 (37:04):
So but teach Haryld that's fine.
Speaker 4 (37:08):
Well you want that's the most valued pick for certain Again,
that's a whole other conversation because because it could take
you off into a whole nother conversation. If you get
a guy in the fifth round and you drafted in
the third round the same position, and you brought in
two free agents and that fifth round the ends up
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being your starter, that says a lot about that team
and a lot about the other teams in the league.
I'm just saying, but that's a whole other conversation. I
think that when you look at the Indianapolis Colts, Anthony
Richardson is in a position to solidify a job and
have that job with this personnel if he does what
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he needs to do. But it's also an opportunity for
Daniel Jones to try to resurrect or salvage a career
that maybe maybe he was unfairly judged. Maybe he becomes
the villain to Sakwan Barkley being the hero in this storyline.
I don't know, but I feel like the Colts are
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in a really, really good position in terms of being
able to have a good season in that season being
a win for their organization and for their team. And
yet again you're having conversations of not being clear and
not being sure on what Anthony Richardson is going to
bring to the table, and as a high draft pick,
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what is he going to represent and what is he
going to mean to this team and this franchise moving forward.
Speaker 2 (38:39):
Anthony Richardson's not getting this job back, and for all
intents and purposes, his career in Indianapolis is probably over.
He missed he only started four games his rookie year
because of injuries. He started eleven games last year, missed
a bunch because of either injuries or he got benched
and decided to take a knee during the course of
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a game. Obviously, young mistakes. Whatever the talent's there. We've
detailed the touchdown throw we had Week one, I believe
against Houston last year, which is one of the great
throws you'll ever see in the NFL. But the problem
is the injuries and the inconsistent play have cost him.
And now you've got a situation where you've got a
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quarterback who is fighting for his career to be saved
and a coach who's fighting for his job to be saved.
Because of Indianapolis struggles this year, Shane Steichen's probably gone.
So I look at it and I go, man, if
Daniel Jones just plays serviceable football and keeps them in
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the fight, Anthony Richardson isn't getting the job back.
Speaker 3 (39:46):
It's just not happening.
Speaker 2 (39:47):
If Daniel Jones, barring injury or poor play, I don't see.
I don't see how this turns out well for Anthony Richardson.
And I just think this was, as you mentioned, the
door was opened when they may the decision to sign
Daniel Jones. There's a reason why Daniel Jones wanted to
go there, why he signed with Indianapolis, because I think
he saw this as a real possibility, a real opportunity.
Speaker 3 (40:10):
To be the starter there.
Speaker 2 (40:11):
And now, if you're Indianapolis, if I was a Colts fan,
I would feel better about my team going into this
year with Daniel Jones. With Daniel Jones than I would
Anthony Richardson just from the standpoint of at least I
know what I'm going to get. At least I know
what I'm going to get. It may not be the
(40:32):
greatest quarterback back play at times, but it's not like
Daniel Jones hasn't played good football for an extended period
of time. He's got an offensive minded coach there in
Shane Steikin who's done it with quarterbacks like he did
in Philly. With Anthony Richardson, I think it was too
much of a wild card, and I do think in
agreement with you that Indianapolis is in a better spot
today than they were yesterday.
Speaker 4 (40:56):
We just had to wait and see how it plays
out again. I think the the a f C South
is just a peculiar, curious division. Now, can I ask
the AFC deal.
Speaker 3 (41:08):
Let me ask you a question, though.
Speaker 2 (41:09):
All right, because last year when we were making our
season picks, you were so disenchanted with the a f
C South you didn't even bother of picking the order.
Speaker 3 (41:17):
I don't even know if you actually.
Speaker 2 (41:18):
Finished picking who you thought was going to win the
division because you were just so bored with it, which
I think is a natural reaction to the a f
C South, Like if we're being honest, so.
Speaker 4 (41:29):
Like why pick, Like what you're gonna You're gonna come
to the same conclusion again this year the Jaguars are
going to be a disappointment. It's like, Pete, It's like
you're going to be a disappointment.
Speaker 2 (41:42):
It's like somebody asked you, like, hey, which is your
favorite parking lot?
Speaker 3 (41:45):
I don't know who cares, Like, what do you mean I'm.
Speaker 4 (41:47):
Gonna have to walk from all of them? Yeah, if
they're in a parking space in like the front lot,
which is like the Texans. If it's not a lot
space in the Texans parking lot, then I don't want
I don't want to go in part. I gotta walk
from wherever ile.
Speaker 3 (42:03):
So I'm going, hey, rank your favorite seven elevens. What
do you mean they're all the same? Like, they're all
the same. They're in a CD part of town.
Speaker 2 (42:11):
You go there, you just hope your car is still
intact when you get out to the like this is
it is? What It's like, they're all You look at
all these teams, they're kind of all the same. Like
there's not really a like there's a reason why, you know,
they probably invented the color rush game because it was like,
hey man, how could we get people to actually want
to watch Jacksonville Tennessee. I know, let's do something goofy
(42:32):
with their jerseys and hope people are adjusting their televisions
and we can draw rating because they've.
Speaker 3 (42:37):
Got it on the TV long enough.
Speaker 4 (42:39):
Like I just so.
Speaker 2 (42:40):
Now you've got Indianapolis, who's in this spot that we
don't know what the hell Houston's going to look like.
They got a bunch of changes with their you know,
their offensive coaching staff that they had to make.
Speaker 3 (42:51):
You got CJ.
Speaker 2 (42:52):
Stroud who's not throwing because of quote general soreness. Jacksonville
who the hell knows. And Tennessee, he's got a rookie
quarterback Shane Stikeen's looking at this like, hey man, I
gotta save my job. We've got a quarterback who's banged
up again and took a knee last year and we
can't depend on him. I'll just ride with Daniel Jones
and see if we can get this team out of
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the playoffs. And I can and I can save my
gig here in Indianapolis.
Speaker 3 (43:17):
That's what it feels like to me.
Speaker 4 (43:19):
I mean, if you believe that Liam Cohen is going
to come in and have people on the duvou and
totally change what the cadence has been there in Jacksonville,
then be excited. You know, it's just as open for
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Cohen and company to come in and assert and apply
themselves into a situation where they could be atop the
AFC South. Same thing could happen for the you know,
I ain't gonna say Tennessee, but definitely for the Colts.
I just feel like with Houston, I don't know what
(44:02):
I'm going to get, but I do know they're going
to win. This is what I do know. The Houston
Texans are going to win because they have CJ. Stroud
at quarterback. Now, how impressive will they be? Will they
be able to stay at top of the AFC South?
If I'm a betting man, I'm going to say yes.
(44:24):
But did any of those other teams do anything to
really shut down the gap between them and the Texans?
I would say definitively no, you haven't shut down the gap.
And listen, I think that that Travis Hunter will be
(44:44):
an amazing addition to the Jacksonville Jaguars, but I do
not look at them and until Trevor Lawrence proves that
he's more than what he's been. I don't really I
don't look at Jacksonville as favorably as I did when
the excitement was still there for Trevor Lawrence and what
he could bring to the table as a franchise generational quarterback.
(45:08):
He's just been pretty pretty on Parr like and I
would say maybe even one over Parr, you know.
Speaker 3 (45:17):
But and that's that's given him the benefit.
Speaker 4 (45:19):
Of the doubt, that's given him a little bit. That's yeah.
So to me, I don't know what Tennessee is going
to do. I still think like Tennessee is going to
be a seller dweller, even though I have just watched
I watched the McNair Untold Untold story yesterday, and he
really did in his you know, inaugural year. He really
(45:40):
did an excellent job with with Tennessee.
Speaker 2 (45:43):
You watched you watch that McNair doc Okay, what was
your immediate just the whole it's probably more interesting than
the AFC South conversation. All right, what was your immediate
takeaway from watching the Steve McNair documentary, Because I'll tell
you what mine was. It didn't it didn't tell me
anything there was I took. I got nothing from it. Okay, yeah,
(46:03):
we get it. Very very weird, a very weird situation.
And it seems like more went on. Any answers, Nope,
just speculations.
Speaker 4 (46:11):
Awesome, and that's I walked away from it still wondering, like, Okay,
it seemed like they came to the real conclusion that
the girlfriend did it and maybe just maybe that's what
it was. But I still feel like I walked away
from it, like there was foul play. It could have
been it could have been the guy that they they
(46:33):
found that that sold the gun, that bought the gun,
and if you guys watched the documentary you'll know what
I'm talking about. It could have been him that did it,
ran up on him, maybe stole something, whatever. I don't
know because they didn't make it a point like could
have been a robbery that took place. Was there anything missing?
(46:55):
I don't think that they even went through any of that,
like nothing was missing. When when they just came to
the conclusion that she did both of them. She hit
him and then she hit herself, you know what I mean.
Speaker 2 (47:07):
Like the way they details it, well, she wanted to
end up in his lap, and it's like, well if
you if you make the decision to call it a day,
I don't think you really get to determine where you land.
Speaker 4 (47:23):
It's it's really don't.
Speaker 3 (47:24):
Like it's like you know, throwing up a hail Mary
and getting kicked.
Speaker 4 (47:29):
Off and being like, damn, she was on the floor, right,
she ended up on the floor. Yeah, just you know,
all I'll say is Jonas is the first thing tristaid
when she was watching, and she was like the wife.
It was the wife. The wife would and got him.
And I never thought of it that way. I never
even looked at it that way, like dang, Like you know,
(47:51):
you can draw different conclusions from it, you know that,
Like they had the boyfriend as one of the main
peace people that they interviewed to try to piece the
story together.
Speaker 3 (48:02):
Thanks for that thought. Now I got to clear all
my messages, Jesus.
Speaker 4 (48:06):
I mean, it's just there. I think there's different angles
in which you could look at. They tried to blame
the best friend of falling out. It could have been him,
but there's the idea that they What I feel is
interesting about that, Doc Jonas is that they positioned you
to try to figure out who committed the crime. It
(48:29):
wasn't this lady did it, And here's how she did it,
here's why she did it. Here's definitive information that proves
that this was who did it. I didn't come away
from it feeling that way. I came away from that
doc having more questions than you know to ask, needing
(48:50):
answered than questions answered from watching it.
Speaker 2 (48:54):
And it was if they were like, all right, the end,
now you figure it out. No, that's not that's not
our job. Our like it's been all these years later.
The guy who's done a great job, by the way,
on the Steve McNair murder suice, whatever you want to
call it, armand Katayan, Yeah, has done a great job.
And I think he's been pretty consistent if I remember correctly,
(49:17):
that he doesn't buy the story like he doesn't buy
just every detail of the story that's been laid out
in the way and the way it all happened. It
just it's a sad story, no doubt, But there's just
something about it that has never landed right with me.
Speaker 4 (49:33):
It just seems too too clean to direct it and
put it on her.
Speaker 2 (49:38):
And by the way, how about the fact that we're
coming up on the sixteen year anniversary.
Speaker 4 (49:42):
That's crazy. It's such a that one rocked the football
communities to the core. I mean, there's so many people
that can remember. I can remember exactly where I was too,
the vehicle I was driving, the city at I was in,
what I was doing, I was driving when that that
(50:03):
information hit. It's one of the most airy, like empty,
sad feelings, like numb feelings that you could possibly have.
And I didn't even know Steve that well. We were
at the Pro Bowl. The only time that I ever
really spent with him and had a conversation was very brief,
and it was at the Pro Bowl. We were on
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the elevator together, and it was the year he was
a co MVP with Peyton Manning and we we were
heading down to the lobby and had a conversation in
the elevator, real real cordial dude, real good dude. Like
you know, he was like, yeah, I'm just I'm glad
youating in our division. Da da dad this, And now
he was gassing me. And I liked it when the
(50:45):
dude gased you up at that point in your career.
So I don't know, man, I just I did come
away from that that that untold with more questions versus like,
how do you how do you come to the rest
on the conclusion that it was a murder and a
suicide deal? How do you come away with it as
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that's your conclusion. I felt like there was just a
lot a lot of questions that were remaining at the
end of that, and you probably won't get another documentary
that clears it up. That's the interesting thing about it.
They do a lot of stuff with with Brett Farr,
but in reality, this is one of the ones where
you'd be like then Aaron Hernandez, but this one has
(51:31):
more storyline plot twist if they dig a little deeper,
if you ask me, than even Aaron Hernandez a situation.
Speaker 2 (51:38):
And that'll wrap up our preview of the could a
girlfriend here on the show?
Speaker 4 (51:44):
He could have been one of the other girlfriends. There
was clearly other people involved that we didn't even really
get an opportunity to even get them developed in the storyline,
you know what I mean. And there's somebody sitting back
somewhere like I really got away with this. Yeah, I
really did this, and I'm still free. I'm really going
(52:05):
to do it.
Speaker 3 (52:06):
There you go and uh those are our picks to
win the a f C South
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