June 10, 2025 • 56 mins
Tuesday on 2 Pros and a Cup of Joe, the Steelers need to be prepared to get what they paid for. The Browns should name Sheduer Sanders the backup right now, or else they’ll be in a bad spot. And NFL Insider, Pete Prisco talks about the biggest storylines heading into minicamp.
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
This is the best of two pros and a couple
Joe with Lamar Aarings and rating Win and Jonas Knox
on radio.
Speaker 2 (00:13):
Because the NBA wants to take their sweet ass time
with getting to these games, they've extended the talking points
or the ability to talk through the in between of
game two in Game three, but there's nothing really.
Speaker 3 (00:30):
Worth talking about when it comes to that, So.
Speaker 2 (00:32):
We just got to wait our turn and instead shift
gears and focus in on the story that you thought
was going to be done. And you thought we were
going to move on and just focus on the stuff
on the field, and then all of a sudden, the
detail started to trickle out. When it comes to Aaron
Rodgers and the saga and signing with the Pittsburgh Steelers.
Speaker 3 (00:56):
Who wrote this? Who wrote this? Expect who typed this out?
When did Albert become Albert Brie? Mike Florio wrote this,
Oh yeah, that was a profate Mike, you forgot an r.
Yeah it's Breer. I don't know. I mean, even even
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the best of the best need editors. You know that,
you know people to proof read it, at least you
know Albert Albert Brie. I'm all right, who's that what
what insider is that? Huh? Maybe he was hanging with Lee.
(01:42):
Dang hey, Lee, I'm just saying it's not beyond the
realm of possibility that Mike could have been, you know,
bending and bending the elbow a little bit. You know,
Mama's Mama's truth juice. You know. Uh, Well, listen, he
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really wanted to read it too, Lee. He's like man,
he is like me. You see it, Albert Albert Briham Si,
you say, oh my god, just ridiculous.
Speaker 2 (02:17):
But that is one of the details that has come
out when it comes to the Aaron Rodgers situation and
the details of the contract that he did sign with
the Pittsburgh Steelers. As we mentioned yesterday, we will get
to hear from Rogers. He is scheduled to speak with
the media in Pittsburgh later on today. We did an
over under on how many questions before somebody asked him
about the wedding ring or whatever that ring was yesterday.
(02:41):
We'll await the results and have those results coming up tomorrow.
Did they ask him, No, not yet, because they talk
later today.
Speaker 3 (02:47):
Today. The big day Soday's the big day. Today's a
big day. He must have the mighty fallen if today
is the big day because you're interviewing a guy you
gave a one year deal of nineteen million dollars which
somebody's only going to make like just one dollar over
ten million.
Speaker 2 (03:05):
I got news for you, anybody, I got news for you,
anybody that's got Aaron Rodgers fatigue. Why don't you tell
somebody in the NFL to do us as solved and
get arrested. Okay, give us something else to talk about.
Speaker 3 (03:16):
Or go or go do something else with your for weeks. Yeah,
that dude, I'm so sick. I'll see you on a
couple of months. Used to you too, biggest? You came
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in hot o. My god, I can't get out my mom.
I literally can't it. It's like it's hard to unhear
it and see it once you once you heard.
Speaker 2 (03:52):
But uh so so with that, we do have the details,
according to Albert Bree of s I doc is laid.
Speaker 3 (04:00):
Out by Mike Floria. We'll listen it it happens. Who cares?
But point is the incentives. Hey, I would have caught that.
Speaker 2 (04:09):
The incentives that come along with the Aaron Rodgers contract
or the following if he participates in seventy percent of
the offensive snaps in the regular season. If that threshold
is satisfied, here's what he'll get if the Steelers make
the playoffs. Will go one at a time. You tell
me how likely this is. Lamar Steelers make the playoffs
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and gets five hundred thousand dollars likely, Okay, if they
earn a first round buy and if they win in
the wild card round, Rogers takes at least half the
snaps six hundred thousand dollars.
Speaker 3 (04:41):
Depends, all right, depends.
Speaker 2 (04:44):
If they win the divisional round. And you know, let's
what can we spice this up a little bit? You
got any game show music, maybe Pittsburgh Steeler polka in
the style like let's go ahead and I'll go with
the polka. Oh yeah, let's dust off a parole.
Speaker 3 (04:57):
Boom boom boom boom boom boom boom boom boom boom
boom boom boom boom. You know they played the same
thing for Groundhog Day.
Speaker 2 (05:06):
Yeah, it's kind of crazy, one of them.
Speaker 3 (05:10):
It's the same song, but they made it the Pittsburgh
Steelers song, the original. Guys. Come on, I mean, people
have a lot of perceptions about us. You know how
we are. But didn't Steelers Polka come before? I don't know,
I probably would, I don't know. That's that's a that
would be a great trivia question. Yeah, there you God.
Speaker 4 (05:38):
The Pittsburgh Steelers, Chuck Maull and all his friends, them Steelers.
Speaker 3 (05:48):
How Joe used to dance? What do Italians dance like?
Why do you want Italians dance like that?
Speaker 2 (05:59):
Common?
Speaker 5 (06:02):
So let me dump it. What maybe Dan's are like that? Okay,
comeby man, let's do it.
Speaker 3 (06:14):
Snail tramp, you can't. You can unsee that one either.
Speaker 6 (06:20):
So so the we continue on the incentive of gravity,
the incentive details of the Aaron Rodgers contract. If so
if these Steelers, if they earn a first round by
if they win in the wildcard round with Rogers taking
at least half the snaps to get six hundred grand,
If they win in the divisional round and Rogers takes
at least half the snaps, seven hundred and fifty thousand.
Speaker 3 (06:43):
Still doable. All of those are doable. I don't think
they'll win the division but I think all like they
could possibly. I think they'll make the playoffs. They could
possibly win their divisional round in the playoffs, So are
they going to win the AFC title Game?
Speaker 2 (07:02):
Because if so, Rogers and Rogers takes at least half
the snaps, he gets a million dollars.
Speaker 3 (07:08):
Yeah, no, if they win, stick and you know what,
you want to know what's ridiculous about them doing that?
I mean, I'm gonna just be honest. What's what's ridiculous
about them doing that is if if you're expecting Aaron
Rodgers to be that good, Okay, we get we can stop. Yeah, yeah, yeah,
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this is I'm a stripper music. Hey hey, easy, now
talking about my hometown. So here's the thing, right, if
you're bringing Aaron Rodgers in, and you're bringing him in
with the idea that he's that good where he can
win the AFC North your division, or he can get
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you into the playoffs out of your division as a
wild card. If you believe he's good enough to get
you out of the divisional round, if you believe he's
good enough to get you to the AFC Championship Game,
if you believe he's good enough to get you to
the super Bowl, why the hell did you give him
this little ass one year contract? And if you're going
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to give him a one year contract, why did you
give him a contract that is comparable comparable to a
rookie because this isn't his contract comparable to cam Warts.
It's less than that. It's less than cam Warts, So
that that would be my this would be my question.
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This is where I'm having a hard time trying to
keep these gators on the ground. Give me three claps
in a woo. This is the problem I have with
it again. And I said this yesterday. You know how
they say the sayings to all these these athletes that
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are coming up. You can't go in the backyard and
give and give a regular effort and expect all American results.
You can't. You can't set the stage for the standard
to be that high, and you're not setting the standard
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of what the belief is coming into it. So to me,
it's like if you believe that you can do discounted
parts on a car for the Daytona, if you think
you could do discounted guys to help put the car together,
if you think you could do a discounted driver to
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drive your car, and you put all these incentives in there,
and you say, okay, if you if you come in first,
if you come in second, we're gonna pay you all
this money, which isn't even that much money, but we're
gonna pay you all this money if you're able to
go out there drive this car with generic parts, guys
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that aren't the best in the business, putting the car together,
making sure they run the proper diagnostics of it, and this,
that and the other, and know that the car, without
a shadow of a doubt, is running at the highest
of levels when you drive it and the driver is like,
I don't know, maybe ranked thirtieth out of all the
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drivers driving. And you're saying, but if you're able to
be as good as the top half of those guys,
because if he's coming out of the AFC, that means
he had to be better than Lamar Jackson. Let's not
even go outside of the north just yet. You had
to be better than Jackson. You had to be better
than Burrow. You had to be better than Mahomes. You
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had to be better than Alan, you had to be
better than uh Stroud. You had to be better than
the upper echeleance players in the AFC. And you don't
even get play, you don't even get paid like any
of those guys. To me, this is a problematic situation
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because you're hadging your bets, You're feeling like you're getting
a ton of value without having to pay for it.
So I don't understand why you could think the results
are going to be this profound, outstanding result when that's
not what you paid for. I mean, and wasn't last
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year enough of an example. This is not the way
to go about doing it.
Speaker 2 (11:45):
I mean, we're not even done yet. Come, I mean,
do you want to know how he can earn an
extra three million dollars Aaron Rodgers if they win the
super Bowl and if he's the MVP of the regular season,
extra three million bucks?
Speaker 3 (12:01):
I'm again again, I'll say again, I'll say if you,
if you're if you believe that he holds that type
of value at this point, will you bring him into
your your organization where you would actually put those things
which listen, a contract is a contract. You're going to
put escalators and the incentives into the contract. Problem is
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is that you got to have somebody who stimulated and
motivated by those types of incentives that are connected to
those types of numbers. My biggest question to you, Jonas
would be is are these incentives along with those accomplishments.
Is it feasible to think that Aaron Rodgers is motivated
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by the dollars and the incentives to go after it
and get it for the amount of time he's going
to have to go out there and get it.
Speaker 2 (12:55):
Well, that's why this another detail that came out yesterday
about the tract which is kind of interesting. And this
also pointed out by Mike Florio that sources tell him
that Rogers would have played for even less than the
Daily signed, but that his agent pushed him to take more.
It's still not knowing how Rogers can pump up his
pay from thirteen to nineteen, but at that time they
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were like, well, you know, one of the factors is
winning the Super Bowl, etc. So, as we laid out,
that's how you get to that number. But even at
that number, reportedly Rogers would have taken less, but his
agent said, no, take a little bit more. Now, whether
or not that's true, I who the hell knows, But
whether it's true or not, does it matter. No, And
they got he's you have discounted Aaron Rodgers. So now
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he's doing the belt discount double check, not just for
the commercial, for the insurance or whatever. He's doing it
because that's his real reality right now. Well, and also
the other aspect, and we kind of touched on this
a little bit yesterday that people were pointing out was well,
it was the Steelers third option because as we lay out,
they wanted Matthew Stafford, they wanted to resign justin Field,
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so they settled on Aaron Rodgers.
Speaker 3 (14:05):
Oh and by the way, what number were they option
wise for Aaron Rodgers? I mean, nobody, neither one of
them is coming to the party and has left the
party Like me, dude, like me, I'm leaving the party
with who I wanted to leave with. Otherwise I'm gonna
leave alone. Like that's just not it's just not worth
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it to leave the party with somebody that you didn't
want to leave the party with. But unfortunately for you,
unfortunately for the other person involved, you didn't get who
you wanted. Okay.
Speaker 2 (14:38):
But I think that the way that that is laid out, okay,
has made it behind the bar, has made it to
sound way, it's made it to send probably not made
it to sound way worse.
Speaker 3 (14:51):
Than it actually is.
Speaker 2 (14:52):
So because if you just broke down each individual player
that they're discussing here, well, they wanted Matthew Stafford they
can get of course, other teams wanted Matthew Stafford. The
Giants wanted Matthew Stafford, like there was other teams that
were in the mix for Matthew Stafford. They didn't get him,
then it was well they wanted justin Fields not bad enough.
Speaker 3 (15:15):
The Jets wanted him.
Speaker 2 (15:16):
Make yeah, I mean, let's let's not pretend like the
other was an offer made. They were far apart on
guaranteed money. But if it was so, if everything was
going so smoothly, why did they still ride with Russell
Wilson towards the end when Russell Wilson and the offensive
coordinator Arthur Smith didn't even get along and people in
the building wanted them to go back.
Speaker 3 (15:34):
To Justin Fields, and still they didn't make the move.
And by the way, if this is the deal you
gave Aaron Rodgers, what did the dal look like you
was offering justin Fields like that?
Speaker 2 (15:43):
That's my point, is this idea that people are looking
at this as, oh, well, he's just the third option,
and they'd take all right, fine, But what does it
matter if you actually broke all that down. Matthew Stafford
was a pipe dream justin Fields. Clearly it didn't go
well enough, else they wouldn't have let him out of
the building or let him lose that starting job last year.
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And it wasn't because of injury or really poor play.
They just wanted to give the opportunity to Russell Wilson.
So Rogers is your guy. The incentive, the contract, all
of that stuff. I don't think any of it matters.
The bottom line is this is more than likely Rogers
last year.
Speaker 3 (16:23):
And if things go poorly enough as doesn't matter, Yesterdy.
It doesn't matter for Aaron because you ain't paying me
that much anyway, Like you gave me an opportunity to
come play another year, Thank you, good night and God.
Speaker 2 (16:35):
And I don't think that in the back of his mind,
this is all about, well, super Bowl, super Bowl. I
gotta win another super Bowl. I think he's at peace
with it.
Speaker 3 (16:43):
What is it? Then? Why are you doing it?
Speaker 2 (16:45):
I think he wants to go out on a smoother
note than what happened with the Jets.
Speaker 3 (16:50):
That's my thought. My opinion is I think he looks
at what happened with the Jets. You're not going on
thun grows. You're not going to undo what you did
and those two seasons with one season unless you win
a super Bowl. I think it's I don't think And
if he thinks that he's going to undo what took
place in New York with the amount of talent that
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was on that team and he got a one year
reprieve because he got hurt in year one. If he
thinks that he's going to go into Pittsburgh and win
a Super Bowl and that's going to erase everything that
has happened in New York and he can walk out
of the league in the game with a blaze of glory,
that should be disturbing.
Speaker 2 (17:31):
If he finished last year either on the bench, injured,
couldn't come back to full health, or looked similar to
how Kirk Cousins looked last year in Atlanta, I don't
think Rogers comes back. I think the back end of
last season and the way that the Jets wanted to
maybe move on or distance themselves from him, I think
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he looked at that and said.
Speaker 3 (17:55):
All right, screw it.
Speaker 2 (17:56):
If there's a situation that I look at and go, oh,
all right, no drama, no no weirdness tied to the organization,
no dysfunction, if there's a place similar to what I
came in the league with in Green Bay, it's probably Pittsburgh.
And I think he goes out after a year with Pittsburgh.
Speaker 3 (18:15):
Can you say that is what? Can we really say
that about the Pittsburgh Steelers? All right? You might want
to think about that. I mean, look, think about it.
They just got rid of their number one receiver, who
was their number one receiver before pickings.
Speaker 2 (18:29):
But to their to their credit, when they've had issues elsewhere,
whether it be Antonio Brown and all that stuff, you
heard maybe some rumblings, it wasn't until those guys were
out the building.
Speaker 3 (18:40):
That you're like, oh God, I'm gonna pushback on that one.
I think. I think there has been drama that has
come out of the locker room far before, like long
before those guys were being let go. I think the
rumblings of what that locker room is like, what the
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deterioration of the culture of what the Pittsburgh Steelers have
historically represented has been discussed. I think it has been discussed,
and I think it has been a growing conversation since
Ben Roethlisberger's last few years there. It's been that long
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that the conversation of questioning the like ask ask Terry Bradshaw,
He'll tell you. You know, you sit there and you hear
some of the older guys that played for the team
and talking about it, even listening to Plexico talk about
it at one point. The one thing that has been
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discussed by guys who have played there has ultimately, in
a lot of regards, has been the same. It's like,
people love Mike Tomlin. People believe in Mike Tomlin, but
there's elements of what the culture that was rep presentation
of what Pittsburgh was and has been historically has been deteriorating.
Speaker 2 (20:06):
Yeah, but you can't even put them in the Jets
in the same category of dysfunction.
Speaker 3 (20:10):
You can't put them in the set. You cannot put
them in the same category. That is true. That is
very true.
Speaker 2 (20:15):
And I think that that element with the Jets was
probably a turn off. And even in saying that, Rogers
was like, listen, I'm open to coming back. I feel
good about how my body went and was progressing at
the end of last year, and I'd like to give
it another go, and they wanted to move in a
different direction. I think he still believes that the back
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end of last season that he can still play at
a high enough level that why not give it one
more year?
Speaker 3 (20:42):
Which one is better? A better loser or just a
bad loser? Which one is better? What do you mean,
which one's better? Would you rather be a better loser
or just a bad loser? I'd rather be a better loser,
would you? Yeah? Because then I can blame people around me.
Hell yeah, see to me, to me. The Pittsburgh Steelers
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are a better loser, meaning they win, they go to
the playoffs, they don't have losing seasons, but the expectations
for them are so low for a team that wins,
whereas the New York Jets, it's like everything is a bonus.
If you do well. Bonus, win a game, bonus, make
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it to the playoffs. Bonus when your your division, bonus
when your conference. Holy moly, the world is coming to
an an. Let's not get make it to the super Bowl?
Play for a super Bowl? Holy smokes? What comes next?
As it rain? I mean, I'm just saying, bro, I'd
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rather be a bad loser than a good loser. So
if you're gonna suck, suck. If I'm gonna lose, I
don't want to be a fringe losers. It's false hope.
And you know what it does. It creates false expectations
and you know what, false expectations turn into rage, Yeah,
but anger.
Speaker 2 (22:13):
But it does leave leave a little bit of some
interesting storylines for week one when they got the Jets, you.
Speaker 3 (22:19):
Know, and it made for a good storyline today, you know,
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Speaker 2 (22:45):
We were during one of the breaks. We were looking
up at the TV and noticing that the the coverage
of a certain team and player seems to have really
really ramped up and seems to really really focus in
and hone in on one player in particular. And it's
not Aaron Rodgers. LaVar, you actually pinpointed this and spotted this,
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So I'll let you take the reins on maybe some
people feeling some shame in the in and around the
NFL based on the new coverage of a potential starting
quarter of EVA.
Speaker 3 (23:21):
I just think that coming out of the draft, it's
almost like the coverage of the draft was based off
of what was happening with Shador Sanders nothing else. Like
there's not one storyline that people can go back and say,
this was a dominating storyline from start to finish outside
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of the Shador Sanders conversation. Yep. So if you're by
all stretches of the imagination, you're the media that's you.
You're sensationalizing, you're covering, you're leveraging, you are benefiting off
of someone else's misfortune. And whether it was true or not,
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the narrative is so strong and so guided by the
influence of the people that are connected to Shadordan, namely
is Pops that I believe coming out of the draft scenario,
the narrative created a feeling and a sense of shame,
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and I think that the media felt a certain type
of way. Media members felt, in particular, felt a certain
type of way. They've said it as much. And these
are influential people you're talking about, the likes of Stephen A.
Smith and and guys like you know who's Who's the
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draft specialists, all Malchipe mel Kiper like you know, you
have all these other guys as well Sanders, so you
get into training or excuse me, the OTAs and and
them being on the field, and what have you seen
the entire time, whether it be social media or whether
it be the reporting on the news, it's where what's
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going on with Shador Sanders?
Speaker 4 (25:21):
Right?
Speaker 3 (25:22):
What other team are we talking about the fourth string guy?
There's no other team we're talking about the fourth string guy.
In fact, I would venture to say most of the
other teams we're not even talking about their first string guy.
It's it's a very very interesting dynamic. That's that's developing here.
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What I truly believe is taking place is that you're
seeing footage and content of Shador Sanders constantly being fed
to you. And it's the passes. Name one incomplete pass
you've seen them throw.
Speaker 2 (26:04):
I saw a tipped interception, but that was on Twitter.
Speaker 3 (26:09):
I did not I have not seen not one bad
play of Shador Sanders making the round circulating on television
on social I haven't seen one. So if you got
a tip, good for you because you saw something that
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most people aren't seeing.
Speaker 2 (26:30):
But to your point though, and whether there was an incompletion,
a deflected interception, a touch like whatever he threw a
slant route and for a complete the fact that we're
seeing it on seven on seven, yeah on air. The
fact that we're seeing Kelly like the way that we
are you're being fed, is telling you're being fed Shador
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Sanders moving the offense up and down the field, getting
them into the end zone, making completions and listen, I'm
not here to try to put Shador.
Speaker 3 (27:03):
Down at all. It's just an observation. Let me be
clear on that. This isn't me saying this like you
should hate Shador Sanders or hate Dion. That's in fact,
it's total opposite. I'm a fan of them. I'm not
against them. I'm a fan of them. But this is
an observation as a media person, is that the stage
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is being set for Cleveland to be trapped. They're in
and maybe that's why you saw the looks on them
people's faces when they drafted, because for good or for bad,
they're trapped.
Speaker 2 (27:43):
You know what, I think part of it was tell
me if this is a crazy thought. Clearly it was
a Jimmy hasm decision. I think part of the motivation
was this helps drown out some of the negative coverage
over the Deshaun Watson backle because, as you pointed out,
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this is all we're seeing. Have you seen any Dylan Gabriel.
Speaker 3 (28:09):
Have you seen any of his throws? Have you seen
any of his throws?
Speaker 2 (28:12):
I don't even know Dylan Gabriel could have changed and
gone right handed in camp.
Speaker 3 (28:16):
I would have known. Is he still on the team.
Where's he at? Ain't seen us from?
Speaker 2 (28:24):
And also, you don't hear a damn thing about Deshaun Watson,
do you, other than his bachelor party.
Speaker 3 (28:29):
The one thing we saw with come on the starter,
who's the start? The one thing we saw with Joe
Flacco is him saying he doesn't want to be a mentor,
he's there to start. And then the the highlight of
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him and Shador Sanders and Chador was doing some type
of dance and was trying to get Flacco to do
the dance and Flacco was like, I'm gonna go throw
this ball, like I'm gonna go I'm gonna go qqb
this this player or two. You know, it's just interesting
because Cleveland is in a bad, bad, bad spot. If
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if Shador Sanders isn't what at at worse the backup.
They are going to fry the media because of what
I think, because of what they feel coming out of
the draft and how they covered it, and how they've
been shamed and made to feel like y'all took advantage
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of Shador Sanders. Y'all drove a whole entire draft off
of Shador Sanders, and they're right. Whoever sang it, you're right.
If Shador Sanders at worse isn't the backup on this team,
there's going to be hell to pay through the media
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at best if he. If I am the head coach,
the GM and the owner of this team, I'm naming
Shador Sanders my starter today to day. You know why
Joe Flacco love you to death. You gave us a good, good,
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good little run. You're a raven chick Rocks, Kenny Pickett,
you ain't shown us that you that good at all.
You here for an insurance policy, Kick Rocks, Dylan Gabriel.
We took you with the third pick, third round pick.
We feel really good about what you could possibly be.
But do we ever see you as a starter. I
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don't know. It's a strong possibility that you're not a
starter for our franchise, it's a very strong possibility, but
my goodness, you probably can be a really, really good
backup for us at some point in time. If I'm
the Cleveland Browns. If you're looking at the coverage of
Shador Sanders and the way all of this is kind
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of being properly placed on the table, you about to
get served. If you don't see this coming, just name
him the starter today. Name him the starter, and let
him do what he's going to do for good, for bad,
or worse, whatever it is, allow for him to do
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it because you drafted him. You drafted him, and it
makes you start to think, did he drop in the
draft because of his talent or did he drop in
the draft because of his fame. That's the conclusion I've
been coming to lately. It's his fame and it's his influence.
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You do not want when you hurt Stephen they call
that man comparable to Colin Kaepernick. You have now made
this a racial cultural compare in terms of why this
man isn't being respected as a talent. You've taken it
out of the realm of being a player and being
a pro and you've placed it in the social and
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cultural expectations of a cultural and social and racially driven
and activated America. Right now, it's dangerous, Like that's dangerous.
Speaker 2 (32:23):
The conversations surrounding Shador have kind of muddied the waters
on the evaluation of Shador, and I don't know how
to separate the two from the standpoint of I'm not
sure if he dropped in the draft because of talent
or because of other stuff off the field, because it's
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not like he's been I don't recall him every getting arrested.
I don't recall him ever getting suspended. I think they
just are very vocal, very confident, and the Colorado program
felt like a rock concert or a rap concert every
time you went there, and it literally was they like
they literally had concert. So there was just there was
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a spectacle surrounding it for a team that didn't really
do anything other than improved significantly upon what they were
before he got there and before his dad took over.
So I don't I don't know where the evaluation of
him is as a player, and and I don't know
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what to really legitimately expect as far as his role
with this team, because if we get to the regular
season and he's the third stringer and or they've got him,
you know, sitting third string and and he's you know,
not suiting up for games.
Speaker 3 (33:44):
Yeah, better win. I don't. But it's think about the
pressure you're putting on the starter. Think about the pressure
you're putting on the backup.
Speaker 2 (33:53):
Oh look, I brought it up to Albert Breer last week,
and it was just like, hey, man, I mean, if
you're Stefanski, you're kind you're in a tough spot. Dude
like you, You've now been given right or wrong two
quarterbacks and a quarterback situation from your owner. One of
them is impossible to succeed with because Deshaun Watson is
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not even playing anymore.
Speaker 3 (34:16):
And the other you're damned if you do, You damned
if you don't.
Speaker 2 (34:19):
If you start Joe Flacco and it's not gonna be
shit or Sanders, then people.
Speaker 3 (34:23):
Are gonna be like, well, you're gonna get You're gonna.
Speaker 2 (34:25):
Get pressure from well, I mean, you're you're kind of
a middle of the road team.
Speaker 3 (34:30):
Why not give the young guy a shot? Of the
storylines connected to that? How many different directions and angles
can you come from talking about how the Cleveland Browns
have handled that position in particular. I'll say this.
Speaker 2 (34:45):
People can say whatever they want about preseason football, tell
me you're not gonna watch those preseason games for the.
Speaker 3 (34:51):
Brows this year. I'm in. I want to see him play.
I want to see how this goes. It makes it
makes the It's just the expectation, the amount of attention
as you're you're mentioning, it just raises the stakes so high.
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And it's a fifth round draft pick, a fifth round
draft pick, and he has been positioned. We have seen
more highlights on ESPN, NFL Network, Fox Sports, Fox Sports
FS one. We have seen more highlights of Shadors And
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this is important to understand this piece of it because
this small detail of it will become a ginormous detail
as we move forward. You are seeing oversaturated coverage of
a fifth round draft pick completing passes over and over
and over and over again. You're watching a fifth rounder
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in practice, not the game, not a game, not full pets.
He's in practice, and they keep showing you clips like
you thinking of one where to du dove and cut
it going into the end zone, like they're creating NFL
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film highlights of Senor Sanders playing ball in practice and
OTAs we ain't even got the training cat. This ain't
even training cat. Can you imagine the coverage on schor
Sanders when they get to training camp. They're gonna have
a Shandor Sanders camp. Look.
Speaker 2 (36:38):
I know that it was impossible because of whatever rules
or restrictions it has.
Speaker 3 (36:42):
But that's why I said.
Speaker 2 (36:43):
At the time, if you were HBO, if you could
swap out the bills for the Browns on hard Knocks,
would you not do it? Like it'd be the best
rated hard knocks they've had in years? Because people want
to see how this plays out and how many how
many completions have you seen cam Ward throw the number
one pick in Ota?
Speaker 3 (37:05):
I haven't seen one. Yeah, I have not seen one. Hot.
I don't even know if Jackson Darts picked up a
football yet. I have no idea. I haven't. I've seen
Jackson Dark getting a lot of love and a lot
of coverage from the media, especially from like the social
media team of the Giants. Like I pay attention to
all this stuff. I sit on my phone and I
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look at all the stuff going on, what's hitting the
algorithms and all this and sports and da DA DA
and NFL or NBA. I look at all these things.
I'd look all day long. Shador Sanders. The coverage on
him is.
Speaker 7 (37:47):
WOWD it is w I L D wild. I'm telling
you think about You're going to stop. Everybody who's listening.
You're gonna stop.
Speaker 3 (38:01):
You're gonna take a moment, and then you're gonna take inventory,
and then you're gonna realize that Shador Sanders is being
positioned to all of you to be the guy for
the Cleveland Browns, and if he's not, it is going
to be every single reason he was let down. There
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will not be one person that says Shador Sanders isn't
the starter or the backup because somebody actually was better
than him. Now, whether it's true or not, I think
the travesty here, honestly, here is the true travesty of
this situation. Shador Sanders is a hell of a football player.
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That young man can play some football. He's been a
clutch kid since eighth grade. I know it because he
played in my game. The problem that's want to take
place here is that same pressure that is going to
be applied to the Cleveland Browns and to the starting
quarterback or who's ever in front of them. Multiply that
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by however many fold you want to as to what
that's going to look like for Shador Sanders, Because just
as much as they'll build you up in these types
of moments, we paid it off. We paid it off.
We did what we were supposed to do. We hoard you,
draft came, we used you, we rode you, We attached
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to the carts to Shador Sanders, and he delivered for
our draft this year. You've been paid. We're even he
gets in there. Whatever comes next is going to be
based upon what his results are when he gets that operative.
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If he gets that opportunity, it's almost seemingly better that
he not get an opportunity immediately, because he'll get more
fan fare for being victimized then he will be for
being the starter for the team. That's what's being set up.
That's all of this. That's the travesty, because if he
really is good, then he should be able to have
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the fair opportunity to be measured and weighed as being
really good. I don't know that there is an environment
that's being creative for him to have a fair opportunity
one way or the other.
Speaker 2 (40:28):
It's too far down the road. It's too far down
the road. And it goes back to that same discussion.
Sometimes backups, if they're too loud, aren't good backups. It's
almost to the point to where if he's named the
number two behind Joe Flacco, all the questions are going
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to be when's he gonna get a chance. The Browns
are sitting at you know, I don't know, four and eight.
They can outplay it. Yeah, you gotta be, you gotta be.
Speaker 3 (41:00):
I would venture to say they might be undefeated, and
they still be saying they'd be better. They're setting themselves
up for failure. And then the moment they lose, why
are you going to be saying, I told you if
Shador was in there, they wouldn't they wouldn't have lost
that one game.
Speaker 2 (41:15):
And meanwhile, Jimmy Hasmum's like, don't have to hear about
the Sean anymore?
Speaker 3 (41:20):
Now you didn't you done? Brought in another one? Hey,
that's all he did, and brought in another one. It is,
and that this is not Shador sanders fault. By the way,
this has absolutely nothing to do with blaming Shador Sanders.
This has everything to do with how media works, how
politics work, how influencing works, and and that's where we live.
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This is this is where we live right now. Is
that a fifth round draft pick is so influential because
of how strong and how clearly defined his brand is,
that it has created this type of coverage, and that
coverage will ultimately be the undoing of the Cleveland Browns
this year if they're not careful.
Speaker 1 (42:04):
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Speaker 2 (42:15):
Though you hear the music, you're the smooth operator tones,
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Get him on x at Prisco CBS. He's also a
Florida Panther blowhard.
Speaker 3 (42:36):
Pete.
Speaker 2 (42:36):
Good morning and congratulations on the two to one series lead.
Speaker 8 (42:41):
And series over by the ways.
Speaker 3 (42:43):
Oh wow, you're calling it calling it.
Speaker 8 (42:46):
I mean, look, one team can do so many things
and has a goalie. The other team can do so
many things and does not have a goalie.
Speaker 4 (42:55):
Wow.
Speaker 8 (42:55):
And I said before that game, I said, letting up
that goal in over time I was gonna be a
problem for Skinner and it was and they ended up
yanking him and now they have goalie decision to make,
so they're deeper. Edminton has the best player in the world,
Conor McDavid, LaVar, Conor McDavid. There you go, there you go,
And uh, Florida is just too deep for him. And
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then Edmonton tried to get tough last night and they
kind of backfired on him as well. So uh yeah,
I'm gonna call it series over.
Speaker 3 (43:23):
Wow. All right, So I guess the pursuit of Aaron
Rodgers is also over. He is now the starting quarterback
of the Pittsburgh Steelers. I actually watched the game last night.
Uh yeah, come on, Pete, like you doubting, Uh.
Speaker 8 (43:36):
Did you enjoy it? LeVar?
Speaker 3 (43:37):
You know when I watch it, I watch it. I
enjoyed my days in d C. I really, you know,
did a lot of coverage on our radio show, so
I got to learn, you know, learn it instead of
just being a you know fan from Pittsburgh, you know,
like Lemieux and Yoger and all those guys. But I
didn't know the game. Then once I started doing radio
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in d C. You know, you're required to know what
it is you're talking about. So I started learning about
the creases and protecting the ice and icing and all
that stuff. And goalie play is the key. You gotta
have a dope ass goalie, you know. And you got
to have some guys that are fearless and aren't afraid
to get into the crease and do what they need
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to do. And yeah, I mean I like it. I
like it. I don't watch it very very often ever
since I've come out here, but yeah, I mean I
watched last night and it definitely wasn't enjoyable.
Speaker 8 (44:31):
You know, I was late to the sport too, I'll
be honest with you. When I was younger, I was
like a kid, and I didn't love hockey, and I
watched it a little bit, but I loved it and
then and then I had to cover it in Denver
when I first started out doing some hockey out there,
And and then you get used to it, and then
you start learning the game, like you said, you understand
it more and it becomes that much better. Now that
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I actually have a team I really like. I think
it's great. It's fantastic. Fact I've enjoyed not just because
of the Panthers being in it, but up until last night,
series was better than the NBA series. And I've always
been a big NBA guy, Man.
Speaker 3 (45:04):
Pete, I do.
Speaker 2 (45:05):
I am curious now that the details are out on
the Aaron Rodgers contract, what does that tell you about
the decision for Aaron Rodgers and the Pittsburgh Steelers to
do unite for this upcoming year.
Speaker 8 (45:18):
Well, it's going to happen. It was always going to happen,
and it's just a matter of when it happened. Because
there was no conceivable way the Pittsburgh Steelers were playing
with Mason Rudolph. They just weren't. And they knew ultimately
that Rodgers would make the decision to come back and play,
and they let him go on a timetable. And now
he has to get in there and learn the offense.
But he's been doing that. He's a smart guy, hild
and they'll figure it out. And all of a sudden,
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now they have a legitimate quarterback. So it made sense
from both sides. Look, he played well down the stretch,
last year once he got past his injury, and remember
all that talk about a couple of years ago, he's
going to come back in December. Sure he was, because
he clearly wasn't the same guy early last season. But
once he got back in there at the end of
the year, I mean he was. I mean once he
got back healthy again at the end of the year,
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playing good footbally through what twenty nine touchdown pass That's
more than a lot of guys ty Josh Allen for
touchdown passes. So I think he's going to go in
there and definitely upgrade the offense from what they had. Now,
are they good enough to get to the playoffs? That's
the question even with the Rogers, because the Steelers traditionally
been a run heavy team that could run the ball
and do good things in that area and stop the
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run and turn their pass rushers lose. Well, they weren't
the same team last year in any of those facets,
so I'm concerned from that standpoint. But they are significantly
upgraded at quarterback with Rogers.
Speaker 3 (46:32):
Can you help me with this one, Pete. I'm I'm
of the mindset that you get what you pay for.
You know, whether and even if it's a person that
would be deserving of more, if they give you less
based off of what their compensation is, then you know
you have to deal with that based upon what you
value that talent at I look at this contract. It
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doesn't screen to me. We have our franchise guy for
a year to take us to a super Bowl.
Speaker 8 (47:01):
It doesn't not to me. It's a one year deal.
That's what the NFL. I mean, that's basically what The
deal has got some incentives in it. If he takes
the far away will get to you know, No, it
looks I think.
Speaker 3 (47:12):
He Well, you do value it, You you do value it.
You look at it like that's a it's a good contract.
Speaker 8 (47:18):
For a one year deal on a forty two year
old guy. Yeah, it's a decent contract for a guys
doesn't need the money. I have no problem with the contract.
Speaker 3 (47:25):
But see that's my problem for the guy that doesn't
need the money. Like, so you're we're going to put
it on that, you know what I mean? Like, what
are we? What are if if I want to get
the best player for one year's time, I'm only give
him a market value of the top quarterbacks. I'm going
to give him a one year contract based off of
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what the market value is of guys of his caliber.
Was old I got a.
Speaker 8 (47:52):
One year deal for twenty one million.
Speaker 3 (47:53):
I mean that's all. That's a comparison, that's not a
good one.
Speaker 8 (47:56):
But if they're on the same ballpark, those one year deals,
they're usually the same. It's it's it's the question becomes
what if he plays well and wants to continue playing,
then all of a sudden you have to figure that out.
Speaker 3 (48:09):
That's a complex that's a complex situation to find yourself in.
Speaker 8 (48:12):
For certain Well, yeah, but but they haven't fixed the
quarterback position, LeVar quarterback position. You're going to be playing
this pluck one for a year game. I mean that
that's the way it is.
Speaker 3 (48:23):
Doesn't it make sense to you to do it two
years in a row?
Speaker 8 (48:28):
Doesn't make sense? No, But but they they missed on picket.
If they did a picket, they would ticket.
Speaker 3 (48:34):
They did picket.
Speaker 8 (48:35):
So until you fix it, you got to keep trying
to get guys like this to play. Is it the
Is it the solution you want? Absolutely not. But in
this scenario, would you rather have Mason Ludolf? Would you
rather have Aaron Rodgers? I mean it's a simple It's
a simple answer to an easy It's an easy answer
to a simple question. It's Rogers time ten.
Speaker 3 (48:55):
Where do you put the draft the draft pick in
all of this? Because to me, I feel like, like
you said, you are searching for that guy that can
be your franchise guy who wants to keep doing rent
a QB. You know, this is two years of rental QB.
Is this is this just buying time to get you know,
the kid out of Ohio State. Will Howard get him
ready to go? Or is there another play here that
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you think future future wise, they're waiting to try to
find the guy that's going to be the guy? Like,
what's the reasoning behind Like I understand getting Aaron Rodgers,
he he upgrades you from what you have, But is
getting Justin Fields and Russell Wilson last year? You know,
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is that the solution to getting to this year where
it's like, Okay, the solution is bringing in another guy
that that is on a one year deal, you know,
show me type deal. What is the what like if
this is how you're doing things, what is the ultimate
goal for this team?
Speaker 8 (49:53):
They got to draft the quarterback eventually and get him
early in the draft book. Howard is an interesting guy,
but you can't expect him where he was drafted, to
come in and become the long term answer. You hope
maybe you hit it, but you don't know, and I
don't think you'll know this year. But here's what you
got to do. If you go in and Rogers stinks
and that draft pick is bad, then you got to
find to go into a deep quarterback class next year
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and get one. There's a ton of them next year's draft,
by the way, and so a one year deal makes sense.
They missed on picket, they tried it, they didn't hit it.
Now now you go back, you gotta scramble. You get fields,
you get Wilson, like you said, you get Rogers. You're scrambling.
It's scramble mode. Well, if this doesn't work, you go
back in next year. There might be nine guys or
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eight guys that you can pick a quarterback out of
next year. If arch Manning comes out, nuss Meyer, Sellers, Leavitt,
I mean the kid that transferred from cal to Indiana.
I mean, there's a ton of guys in next year's
draft back. Maybe he has a resurgence. So there's six, right,
off the bat, you know, and I haven't even thought
about the rest of them. There's a lot of them.
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So maybe you get your quarterback next year. You play
with Rogers this year and get your quarterback next year. Look,
I know people sit there say wall keep keep saying
next year, next year, next year. But what are you
supposed to do A play with Mason Rudolph No.
Speaker 2 (51:08):
Pete Prisco joining us here on Fox Sports Radio. Pete,
I want to ask you about this in regard to
the Aaron Rodgers conversation, because one of the stories that
was out there, I think was Adam Schefter reported this
that Rogers was the third option for Pittsburgh, that they
wanted Matthew Stafford, they wanted to bring back Justin Fields.
So they then turn their sights to Aaron Rodgers. So listen,
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Matt Stafford. I don't know that anybody who truly believed
he was going to leave the Rams. But the Justin
Fields conversation is kind of interesting because why would Justin
Fields unless the money was significantly different, and you know
something more than I do, why would Justin Fields choose
the Jets as opposed to staying in Pittsburgh and wanting
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to do it over again without having to worry about
potentially getting bench for Russell Wilson for a year or two.
Like why the Jets over the Steelers Unless the money
was just that much of a difference.
Speaker 8 (52:05):
The money was probably better. I think it was that
he got his contract that the Jets was.
Speaker 3 (52:09):
A little bit better.
Speaker 8 (52:11):
And by the way, what did they do him well
last year? Did they treat him well last year?
Speaker 3 (52:15):
No? Yeah, okay, not that his standard I would assume, of.
Speaker 8 (52:19):
Course not, of course not. And so I think it
made sense for him to go to a place that
wanted him and wanted him to be the starting quarterback.
So I think they did their he did the right thing.
And if Aaron Rodgers is his third option, it's because
he's forty two years old. I mean, Aaron Rodgers can
play for Aaron Rodgers at the end of last year
was better than justin Field. I don't care what anybody said.
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But the question is is can he continue to do it?
And that's why I think he's the third option.
Speaker 3 (52:46):
Pete. I was having a conversation with Jonas earlier about
the amount of coverage on Shador Sanders, and I think
it's like a repayment of how maybe embarrassed or shamed
people felt in the media going with the overwhelming narrative
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of Shador Sanders in the draft. He basically drove this
year's draft and has continued to drive NFL headlines even
now as a fifth round fourth string quarterback. I feel
like the Cleveland Browns have placed themselves in a very
very compromising position based upon the influence, based upon the
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fame and notoriety, and maybe the possibilities that exist with
Shador Sanders. Now, I'll say this, I feel like where
we're at now, Pete. Maybe the clarity now for me
is that the teams that passed up on him, they
didn't pass up on him because of his talent. They
passed up on him because of finding themselves possibly in
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the same circumstances that the Cleveland Browns find themselves in
right now.
Speaker 8 (54:00):
I don't buy that. I don't buy that. It's a town.
If he could play, they don't care what you do know,
he would have if they would have thought he was
better than a fifth round pick, they would have taken
him in the fourth round or the third round, or
some other team would have taken him. I don't buy that.
And you know, we get so caught up in all
that stuff. Lebar Well he didn't interview. Well, he was
a pain in the ass. He was, you know, stand
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office in the interviews. His dad's a problem. His dad's
going to be an influence, and he's got all the
other stuff going. If he could play, he could play.
It doesn't matter. None of that matters. And the reality
is the NFL didn't think he could play. They didn't
think he was a quality starting quarterback in the National
Football League. Well, now he has an opportunity to go
prove them all wrong. We've seen guys prove them all wrong.
The greatest of all time proved everybody wrong. There's a
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six round pick. Well, here's the other part of it.
Everything he does, like he'll throw a pass in the
training camp and it gets somebody sends it out. One
of those aggregators sends it out and says, oh, look
how Crady looks. He's still running fourteen. There's a reason
he's not getting the snaps until the fourteen And so
he's got to be extraordinary to go win that job.
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If he if he's what he thinks he is and
what his dad thinks he is, then go win the
damn job. If not, and you don't play very well,
you're probably going to be on the practice squad. And
so I think that's where it is for him. Go
either show up, show off and become the guy for
the future, or you're probably going to be the fourth guy,
and the fourth guy usually doesn't make the team. There.
Speaker 2 (55:24):
He is the great Pte Prisco with us here on
Fox Sports Radio.
Speaker 3 (55:27):
Get him on X by the way, if you want
some of that smoke. If you are an.
Speaker 2 (55:30):
Edmonton Oiler fan and you want to try and fight, man,
I'm telling you this.
Speaker 3 (55:35):
Is why I saw.
Speaker 2 (55:37):
You.
Speaker 8 (55:37):
Guys didn't stay up at the end of the game.
But there was a bunch of them last night and
that yeah, oh yeah.
Speaker 3 (55:45):
Pounded on.
Speaker 8 (55:46):
But they haven't won a Cup in Canada since what
nineteen ninety three?
Speaker 3 (55:50):
Yes, it's my freshman year of high school.
Speaker 8 (55:54):
Well that's how long ago that was. I was thirty
three back then.
Speaker 2 (56:02):
You look great, though, Pete, I know. Get him on
X again at Prisco CBS. Pete always appreciate it. We'll
do it again next week. There is Pete Prisco, senior
NFL columnist for CBS Sports, CBS Sports HQ, analyst, always
a beaming light of optimism here on the show, whatever
(56:25):
he appears,
This is the best of two pros and a couple
Joe with Lamar Aarings and rating Win and Jonas Knox
on radio.
Speaker 2 (00:13):
Because the NBA wants to take their sweet ass time
with getting to these games, they've extended the talking points
or the ability to talk through the in between of
game two in Game three, but there's nothing really.
Speaker 3 (00:30):
Worth talking about when it comes to that, So.
Speaker 2 (00:32):
We just got to wait our turn and instead shift
gears and focus in on the story that you thought
was going to be done. And you thought we were
going to move on and just focus on the stuff
on the field, and then all of a sudden, the
detail started to trickle out. When it comes to Aaron
Rodgers and the saga and signing with the Pittsburgh Steelers.
Speaker 3 (00:56):
Who wrote this? Who wrote this? Expect who typed this out?
When did Albert become Albert Brie? Mike Florio wrote this,
Oh yeah, that was a profate Mike, you forgot an r.
Yeah it's Breer. I don't know. I mean, even even
(01:17):
the best of the best need editors. You know that,
you know people to proof read it, at least you
know Albert Albert Brie. I'm all right, who's that what
what insider is that? Huh? Maybe he was hanging with Lee.
(01:42):
Dang hey, Lee, I'm just saying it's not beyond the
realm of possibility that Mike could have been, you know,
bending and bending the elbow a little bit. You know,
Mama's Mama's truth juice. You know. Uh, Well, listen, he
(02:03):
really wanted to read it too, Lee. He's like man,
he is like me. You see it, Albert Albert Briham Si,
you say, oh my god, just ridiculous.
Speaker 2 (02:17):
But that is one of the details that has come
out when it comes to the Aaron Rodgers situation and
the details of the contract that he did sign with
the Pittsburgh Steelers. As we mentioned yesterday, we will get
to hear from Rogers. He is scheduled to speak with
the media in Pittsburgh later on today. We did an
over under on how many questions before somebody asked him
about the wedding ring or whatever that ring was yesterday.
(02:41):
We'll await the results and have those results coming up tomorrow.
Did they ask him, No, not yet, because they talk
later today.
Speaker 3 (02:47):
Today. The big day Soday's the big day. Today's a
big day. He must have the mighty fallen if today
is the big day because you're interviewing a guy you
gave a one year deal of nineteen million dollars which
somebody's only going to make like just one dollar over
ten million.
Speaker 2 (03:05):
I got news for you, anybody, I got news for you,
anybody that's got Aaron Rodgers fatigue. Why don't you tell
somebody in the NFL to do us as solved and
get arrested. Okay, give us something else to talk about.
Speaker 3 (03:16):
Or go or go do something else with your for weeks. Yeah,
that dude, I'm so sick. I'll see you on a
couple of months. Used to you too, biggest? You came
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in hot o. My god, I can't get out my mom.
I literally can't it. It's like it's hard to unhear
it and see it once you once you heard.
Speaker 2 (03:52):
But uh so so with that, we do have the details,
according to Albert Bree of s I doc is laid.
Speaker 3 (04:00):
Out by Mike Floria. We'll listen it it happens. Who cares?
But point is the incentives. Hey, I would have caught that.
Speaker 2 (04:09):
The incentives that come along with the Aaron Rodgers contract
or the following if he participates in seventy percent of
the offensive snaps in the regular season. If that threshold
is satisfied, here's what he'll get if the Steelers make
the playoffs. Will go one at a time. You tell
me how likely this is. Lamar Steelers make the playoffs
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and gets five hundred thousand dollars likely, Okay, if they
earn a first round buy and if they win in
the wild card round, Rogers takes at least half the
snaps six hundred thousand dollars.
Speaker 3 (04:41):
Depends, all right, depends.
Speaker 2 (04:44):
If they win the divisional round. And you know, let's
what can we spice this up a little bit? You
got any game show music, maybe Pittsburgh Steeler polka in
the style like let's go ahead and I'll go with
the polka. Oh yeah, let's dust off a parole.
Speaker 3 (04:57):
Boom boom boom boom boom boom boom boom boom boom
boom boom boom boom. You know they played the same
thing for Groundhog Day.
Speaker 2 (05:06):
Yeah, it's kind of crazy, one of them.
Speaker 3 (05:10):
It's the same song, but they made it the Pittsburgh
Steelers song, the original. Guys. Come on, I mean, people
have a lot of perceptions about us. You know how
we are. But didn't Steelers Polka come before? I don't know,
I probably would, I don't know. That's that's a that
would be a great trivia question. Yeah, there you God.
Speaker 4 (05:38):
The Pittsburgh Steelers, Chuck Maull and all his friends, them Steelers.
Speaker 3 (05:48):
How Joe used to dance? What do Italians dance like?
Why do you want Italians dance like that?
Speaker 2 (05:59):
Common?
Speaker 5 (06:02):
So let me dump it. What maybe Dan's are like that? Okay,
comeby man, let's do it.
Speaker 3 (06:14):
Snail tramp, you can't. You can unsee that one either.
Speaker 6 (06:20):
So so the we continue on the incentive of gravity,
the incentive details of the Aaron Rodgers contract. If so
if these Steelers, if they earn a first round by
if they win in the wildcard round with Rogers taking
at least half the snaps to get six hundred grand,
If they win in the divisional round and Rogers takes
at least half the snaps, seven hundred and fifty thousand.
Speaker 3 (06:43):
Still doable. All of those are doable. I don't think
they'll win the division but I think all like they
could possibly. I think they'll make the playoffs. They could
possibly win their divisional round in the playoffs, So are
they going to win the AFC title Game?
Speaker 2 (07:02):
Because if so, Rogers and Rogers takes at least half
the snaps, he gets a million dollars.
Speaker 3 (07:08):
Yeah, no, if they win, stick and you know what,
you want to know what's ridiculous about them doing that?
I mean, I'm gonna just be honest. What's what's ridiculous
about them doing that is if if you're expecting Aaron
Rodgers to be that good, Okay, we get we can stop. Yeah, yeah, yeah,
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this is I'm a stripper music. Hey hey, easy, now
talking about my hometown. So here's the thing, right, if
you're bringing Aaron Rodgers in, and you're bringing him in
with the idea that he's that good where he can
win the AFC North your division, or he can get
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you into the playoffs out of your division as a
wild card. If you believe he's good enough to get
you out of the divisional round, if you believe he's
good enough to get you to the AFC Championship Game,
if you believe he's good enough to get you to
the super Bowl, why the hell did you give him
this little ass one year contract? And if you're going
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to give him a one year contract, why did you
give him a contract that is comparable comparable to a
rookie because this isn't his contract comparable to cam Warts.
It's less than that. It's less than cam Warts, So
that that would be my this would be my question.
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This is where I'm having a hard time trying to
keep these gators on the ground. Give me three claps
in a woo. This is the problem I have with
it again. And I said this yesterday. You know how
they say the sayings to all these these athletes that
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are coming up. You can't go in the backyard and
give and give a regular effort and expect all American results.
You can't. You can't set the stage for the standard
to be that high, and you're not setting the standard
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of what the belief is coming into it. So to me,
it's like if you believe that you can do discounted
parts on a car for the Daytona, if you think
you could do discounted guys to help put the car together,
if you think you could do a discounted driver to
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drive your car, and you put all these incentives in there,
and you say, okay, if you if you come in first,
if you come in second, we're gonna pay you all
this money, which isn't even that much money, but we're
gonna pay you all this money if you're able to
go out there drive this car with generic parts, guys
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that aren't the best in the business, putting the car together,
making sure they run the proper diagnostics of it, and this,
that and the other, and know that the car, without
a shadow of a doubt, is running at the highest
of levels when you drive it and the driver is like,
I don't know, maybe ranked thirtieth out of all the
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drivers driving. And you're saying, but if you're able to
be as good as the top half of those guys,
because if he's coming out of the AFC, that means
he had to be better than Lamar Jackson. Let's not
even go outside of the north just yet. You had
to be better than Jackson. You had to be better
than Burrow. You had to be better than Mahomes. You
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had to be better than Alan, you had to be
better than uh Stroud. You had to be better than
the upper echeleance players in the AFC. And you don't
even get play, you don't even get paid like any
of those guys. To me, this is a problematic situation
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because you're hadging your bets, You're feeling like you're getting
a ton of value without having to pay for it.
So I don't understand why you could think the results
are going to be this profound, outstanding result when that's
not what you paid for. I mean, and wasn't last
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year enough of an example. This is not the way
to go about doing it.
Speaker 2 (11:45):
I mean, we're not even done yet. Come, I mean,
do you want to know how he can earn an
extra three million dollars Aaron Rodgers if they win the
super Bowl and if he's the MVP of the regular season,
extra three million bucks?
Speaker 3 (12:01):
I'm again again, I'll say again, I'll say if you,
if you're if you believe that he holds that type
of value at this point, will you bring him into
your your organization where you would actually put those things
which listen, a contract is a contract. You're going to
put escalators and the incentives into the contract. Problem is
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is that you got to have somebody who stimulated and
motivated by those types of incentives that are connected to
those types of numbers. My biggest question to you, Jonas
would be is are these incentives along with those accomplishments.
Is it feasible to think that Aaron Rodgers is motivated
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by the dollars and the incentives to go after it
and get it for the amount of time he's going
to have to go out there and get it.
Speaker 2 (12:55):
Well, that's why this another detail that came out yesterday
about the tract which is kind of interesting. And this
also pointed out by Mike Florio that sources tell him
that Rogers would have played for even less than the
Daily signed, but that his agent pushed him to take more.
It's still not knowing how Rogers can pump up his
pay from thirteen to nineteen, but at that time they
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were like, well, you know, one of the factors is
winning the Super Bowl, etc. So, as we laid out,
that's how you get to that number. But even at
that number, reportedly Rogers would have taken less, but his
agent said, no, take a little bit more. Now, whether
or not that's true, I who the hell knows, But
whether it's true or not, does it matter. No, And
they got he's you have discounted Aaron Rodgers. So now
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he's doing the belt discount double check, not just for
the commercial, for the insurance or whatever. He's doing it
because that's his real reality right now. Well, and also
the other aspect, and we kind of touched on this
a little bit yesterday that people were pointing out was well,
it was the Steelers third option because as we lay out,
they wanted Matthew Stafford, they wanted to resign justin Field,
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so they settled on Aaron Rodgers.
Speaker 3 (14:05):
Oh and by the way, what number were they option
wise for Aaron Rodgers? I mean, nobody, neither one of
them is coming to the party and has left the
party Like me, dude, like me, I'm leaving the party
with who I wanted to leave with. Otherwise I'm gonna
leave alone. Like that's just not it's just not worth
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it to leave the party with somebody that you didn't
want to leave the party with. But unfortunately for you,
unfortunately for the other person involved, you didn't get who
you wanted. Okay.
Speaker 2 (14:38):
But I think that the way that that is laid out, okay,
has made it behind the bar, has made it to
sound way, it's made it to send probably not made
it to sound way worse.
Speaker 3 (14:51):
Than it actually is.
Speaker 2 (14:52):
So because if you just broke down each individual player
that they're discussing here, well, they wanted Matthew Stafford they
can get of course, other teams wanted Matthew Stafford. The
Giants wanted Matthew Stafford, like there was other teams that
were in the mix for Matthew Stafford. They didn't get him,
then it was well they wanted justin Fields not bad enough.
Speaker 3 (15:15):
The Jets wanted him.
Speaker 2 (15:16):
Make yeah, I mean, let's let's not pretend like the
other was an offer made. They were far apart on
guaranteed money. But if it was so, if everything was
going so smoothly, why did they still ride with Russell
Wilson towards the end when Russell Wilson and the offensive
coordinator Arthur Smith didn't even get along and people in
the building wanted them to go back.
Speaker 3 (15:34):
To Justin Fields, and still they didn't make the move.
And by the way, if this is the deal you
gave Aaron Rodgers, what did the dal look like you
was offering justin Fields like that?
Speaker 2 (15:43):
That's my point, is this idea that people are looking
at this as, oh, well, he's just the third option,
and they'd take all right, fine, But what does it
matter if you actually broke all that down. Matthew Stafford
was a pipe dream justin Fields. Clearly it didn't go
well enough, else they wouldn't have let him out of
the building or let him lose that starting job last year.
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And it wasn't because of injury or really poor play.
They just wanted to give the opportunity to Russell Wilson.
So Rogers is your guy. The incentive, the contract, all
of that stuff. I don't think any of it matters.
The bottom line is this is more than likely Rogers
last year.
Speaker 3 (16:23):
And if things go poorly enough as doesn't matter, Yesterdy.
It doesn't matter for Aaron because you ain't paying me
that much anyway, Like you gave me an opportunity to
come play another year, Thank you, good night and God.
Speaker 2 (16:35):
And I don't think that in the back of his mind,
this is all about, well, super Bowl, super Bowl. I
gotta win another super Bowl. I think he's at peace
with it.
Speaker 3 (16:43):
What is it? Then? Why are you doing it?
Speaker 2 (16:45):
I think he wants to go out on a smoother
note than what happened with the Jets.
Speaker 3 (16:50):
That's my thought. My opinion is I think he looks
at what happened with the Jets. You're not going on
thun grows. You're not going to undo what you did
and those two seasons with one season unless you win
a super Bowl. I think it's I don't think And
if he thinks that he's going to undo what took
place in New York with the amount of talent that
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was on that team and he got a one year
reprieve because he got hurt in year one. If he
thinks that he's going to go into Pittsburgh and win
a Super Bowl and that's going to erase everything that
has happened in New York and he can walk out
of the league in the game with a blaze of glory,
that should be disturbing.
Speaker 2 (17:31):
If he finished last year either on the bench, injured,
couldn't come back to full health, or looked similar to
how Kirk Cousins looked last year in Atlanta, I don't
think Rogers comes back. I think the back end of
last season and the way that the Jets wanted to
maybe move on or distance themselves from him, I think
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he looked at that and said.
Speaker 3 (17:55):
All right, screw it.
Speaker 2 (17:56):
If there's a situation that I look at and go, oh,
all right, no drama, no no weirdness tied to the organization,
no dysfunction, if there's a place similar to what I
came in the league with in Green Bay, it's probably Pittsburgh.
And I think he goes out after a year with Pittsburgh.
Speaker 3 (18:15):
Can you say that is what? Can we really say
that about the Pittsburgh Steelers? All right? You might want
to think about that. I mean, look, think about it.
They just got rid of their number one receiver, who
was their number one receiver before pickings.
Speaker 2 (18:29):
But to their to their credit, when they've had issues elsewhere,
whether it be Antonio Brown and all that stuff, you
heard maybe some rumblings, it wasn't until those guys were
out the building.
Speaker 3 (18:40):
That you're like, oh God, I'm gonna pushback on that one.
I think. I think there has been drama that has
come out of the locker room far before, like long
before those guys were being let go. I think the
rumblings of what that locker room is like, what the
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deterioration of the culture of what the Pittsburgh Steelers have
historically represented has been discussed. I think it has been discussed,
and I think it has been a growing conversation since
Ben Roethlisberger's last few years there. It's been that long
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that the conversation of questioning the like ask ask Terry Bradshaw,
He'll tell you. You know, you sit there and you hear
some of the older guys that played for the team
and talking about it, even listening to Plexico talk about
it at one point. The one thing that has been
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discussed by guys who have played there has ultimately, in
a lot of regards, has been the same. It's like,
people love Mike Tomlin. People believe in Mike Tomlin, but
there's elements of what the culture that was rep presentation
of what Pittsburgh was and has been historically has been deteriorating.
Speaker 2 (20:06):
Yeah, but you can't even put them in the Jets
in the same category of dysfunction.
Speaker 3 (20:10):
You can't put them in the set. You cannot put
them in the same category. That is true. That is
very true.
Speaker 2 (20:15):
And I think that that element with the Jets was
probably a turn off. And even in saying that, Rogers
was like, listen, I'm open to coming back. I feel
good about how my body went and was progressing at
the end of last year, and I'd like to give
it another go, and they wanted to move in a
different direction. I think he still believes that the back
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end of last season that he can still play at
a high enough level that why not give it one
more year?
Speaker 3 (20:42):
Which one is better? A better loser or just a
bad loser? Which one is better? What do you mean,
which one's better? Would you rather be a better loser
or just a bad loser? I'd rather be a better loser,
would you? Yeah? Because then I can blame people around me.
Hell yeah, see to me, to me. The Pittsburgh Steelers
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are a better loser, meaning they win, they go to
the playoffs, they don't have losing seasons, but the expectations
for them are so low for a team that wins,
whereas the New York Jets, it's like everything is a bonus.
If you do well. Bonus, win a game, bonus, make
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it to the playoffs. Bonus when your your division, bonus
when your conference. Holy moly, the world is coming to
an an. Let's not get make it to the super Bowl?
Play for a super Bowl? Holy smokes? What comes next?
As it rain? I mean, I'm just saying, bro, I'd
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rather be a bad loser than a good loser. So
if you're gonna suck, suck. If I'm gonna lose, I
don't want to be a fringe losers. It's false hope.
And you know what it does. It creates false expectations
and you know what, false expectations turn into rage, Yeah,
but anger.
Speaker 2 (22:13):
But it does leave leave a little bit of some
interesting storylines for week one when they got the Jets, you.
Speaker 3 (22:19):
Know, and it made for a good storyline today, you know,
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Speaker 2 (22:45):
We were during one of the breaks. We were looking
up at the TV and noticing that the the coverage
of a certain team and player seems to have really
really ramped up and seems to really really focus in
and hone in on one player in particular. And it's
not Aaron Rodgers. LaVar, you actually pinpointed this and spotted this,
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So I'll let you take the reins on maybe some
people feeling some shame in the in and around the
NFL based on the new coverage of a potential starting
quarter of EVA.
Speaker 3 (23:21):
I just think that coming out of the draft, it's
almost like the coverage of the draft was based off
of what was happening with Shador Sanders nothing else. Like
there's not one storyline that people can go back and say,
this was a dominating storyline from start to finish outside
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of the Shador Sanders conversation. Yep. So if you're by
all stretches of the imagination, you're the media that's you.
You're sensationalizing, you're covering, you're leveraging, you are benefiting off
of someone else's misfortune. And whether it was true or not,
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the narrative is so strong and so guided by the
influence of the people that are connected to Shadordan, namely
is Pops that I believe coming out of the draft scenario,
the narrative created a feeling and a sense of shame,
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and I think that the media felt a certain type
of way. Media members felt, in particular, felt a certain
type of way. They've said it as much. And these
are influential people you're talking about, the likes of Stephen A.
Smith and and guys like you know who's Who's the
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draft specialists, all Malchipe mel Kiper like you know, you
have all these other guys as well Sanders, so you
get into training or excuse me, the OTAs and and
them being on the field, and what have you seen
the entire time, whether it be social media or whether
it be the reporting on the news, it's where what's
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going on with Shador Sanders?
Speaker 4 (25:21):
Right?
Speaker 3 (25:22):
What other team are we talking about the fourth string guy?
There's no other team we're talking about the fourth string guy.
In fact, I would venture to say most of the
other teams we're not even talking about their first string guy.
It's it's a very very interesting dynamic. That's that's developing here.
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What I truly believe is taking place is that you're
seeing footage and content of Shador Sanders constantly being fed
to you. And it's the passes. Name one incomplete pass
you've seen them throw.
Speaker 2 (26:04):
I saw a tipped interception, but that was on Twitter.
Speaker 3 (26:09):
I did not I have not seen not one bad
play of Shador Sanders making the round circulating on television
on social I haven't seen one. So if you got
a tip, good for you because you saw something that
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most people aren't seeing.
Speaker 2 (26:30):
But to your point though, and whether there was an incompletion,
a deflected interception, a touch like whatever he threw a
slant route and for a complete the fact that we're
seeing it on seven on seven, yeah on air. The
fact that we're seeing Kelly like the way that we
are you're being fed, is telling you're being fed Shador
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Sanders moving the offense up and down the field, getting
them into the end zone, making completions and listen, I'm
not here to try to put Shador.
Speaker 3 (27:03):
Down at all. It's just an observation. Let me be
clear on that. This isn't me saying this like you
should hate Shador Sanders or hate Dion. That's in fact,
it's total opposite. I'm a fan of them. I'm not
against them. I'm a fan of them. But this is
an observation as a media person, is that the stage
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is being set for Cleveland to be trapped. They're in
and maybe that's why you saw the looks on them
people's faces when they drafted, because for good or for bad,
they're trapped.
Speaker 2 (27:43):
You know what, I think part of it was tell
me if this is a crazy thought. Clearly it was
a Jimmy hasm decision. I think part of the motivation
was this helps drown out some of the negative coverage
over the Deshaun Watson backle because, as you pointed out,
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this is all we're seeing. Have you seen any Dylan Gabriel.
Speaker 3 (28:09):
Have you seen any of his throws? Have you seen
any of his throws?
Speaker 2 (28:12):
I don't even know Dylan Gabriel could have changed and
gone right handed in camp.
Speaker 3 (28:16):
I would have known. Is he still on the team.
Where's he at? Ain't seen us from?
Speaker 2 (28:24):
And also, you don't hear a damn thing about Deshaun Watson,
do you, other than his bachelor party.
Speaker 3 (28:29):
The one thing we saw with come on the starter,
who's the start? The one thing we saw with Joe
Flacco is him saying he doesn't want to be a mentor,
he's there to start. And then the the highlight of
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him and Shador Sanders and Chador was doing some type
of dance and was trying to get Flacco to do
the dance and Flacco was like, I'm gonna go throw
this ball, like I'm gonna go I'm gonna go qqb
this this player or two. You know, it's just interesting
because Cleveland is in a bad, bad, bad spot. If
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if Shador Sanders isn't what at at worse the backup.
They are going to fry the media because of what
I think, because of what they feel coming out of
the draft and how they covered it, and how they've
been shamed and made to feel like y'all took advantage
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of Shador Sanders. Y'all drove a whole entire draft off
of Shador Sanders, and they're right. Whoever sang it, you're right.
If Shador Sanders at worse isn't the backup on this team,
there's going to be hell to pay through the media
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at best if he. If I am the head coach,
the GM and the owner of this team, I'm naming
Shador Sanders my starter today to day. You know why
Joe Flacco love you to death. You gave us a good, good,
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good little run. You're a raven chick Rocks, Kenny Pickett,
you ain't shown us that you that good at all.
You here for an insurance policy, Kick Rocks, Dylan Gabriel.
We took you with the third pick, third round pick.
We feel really good about what you could possibly be.
But do we ever see you as a starter. I
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don't know. It's a strong possibility that you're not a
starter for our franchise, it's a very strong possibility, but
my goodness, you probably can be a really, really good
backup for us at some point in time. If I'm
the Cleveland Browns. If you're looking at the coverage of
Shador Sanders and the way all of this is kind
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of being properly placed on the table, you about to
get served. If you don't see this coming, just name
him the starter today. Name him the starter, and let
him do what he's going to do for good, for bad,
or worse, whatever it is, allow for him to do
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it because you drafted him. You drafted him, and it
makes you start to think, did he drop in the
draft because of his talent or did he drop in
the draft because of his fame. That's the conclusion I've
been coming to lately. It's his fame and it's his influence.
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You do not want when you hurt Stephen they call
that man comparable to Colin Kaepernick. You have now made
this a racial cultural compare in terms of why this
man isn't being respected as a talent. You've taken it
out of the realm of being a player and being
a pro and you've placed it in the social and
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cultural expectations of a cultural and social and racially driven
and activated America. Right now, it's dangerous, Like that's dangerous.
Speaker 2 (32:23):
The conversations surrounding Shador have kind of muddied the waters
on the evaluation of Shador, and I don't know how
to separate the two from the standpoint of I'm not
sure if he dropped in the draft because of talent
or because of other stuff off the field, because it's
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not like he's been I don't recall him every getting arrested.
I don't recall him ever getting suspended. I think they
just are very vocal, very confident, and the Colorado program
felt like a rock concert or a rap concert every
time you went there, and it literally was they like
they literally had concert. So there was just there was
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a spectacle surrounding it for a team that didn't really
do anything other than improved significantly upon what they were
before he got there and before his dad took over.
So I don't I don't know where the evaluation of
him is as a player, and and I don't know
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what to really legitimately expect as far as his role
with this team, because if we get to the regular
season and he's the third stringer and or they've got him,
you know, sitting third string and and he's you know,
not suiting up for games.
Speaker 3 (33:44):
Yeah, better win. I don't. But it's think about the
pressure you're putting on the starter. Think about the pressure
you're putting on the backup.
Speaker 2 (33:53):
Oh look, I brought it up to Albert Breer last week,
and it was just like, hey, man, I mean, if
you're Stefanski, you're kind you're in a tough spot. Dude
like you, You've now been given right or wrong two
quarterbacks and a quarterback situation from your owner. One of
them is impossible to succeed with because Deshaun Watson is
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not even playing anymore.
Speaker 3 (34:16):
And the other you're damned if you do, You damned
if you don't.
Speaker 2 (34:19):
If you start Joe Flacco and it's not gonna be
shit or Sanders, then people.
Speaker 3 (34:23):
Are gonna be like, well, you're gonna get You're gonna.
Speaker 2 (34:25):
Get pressure from well, I mean, you're you're kind of
a middle of the road team.
Speaker 3 (34:30):
Why not give the young guy a shot? Of the
storylines connected to that? How many different directions and angles
can you come from talking about how the Cleveland Browns
have handled that position in particular. I'll say this.
Speaker 2 (34:45):
People can say whatever they want about preseason football, tell
me you're not gonna watch those preseason games for the.
Speaker 3 (34:51):
Brows this year. I'm in. I want to see him play.
I want to see how this goes. It makes it
makes the It's just the expectation, the amount of attention
as you're you're mentioning, it just raises the stakes so high.
(35:11):
And it's a fifth round draft pick, a fifth round
draft pick, and he has been positioned. We have seen
more highlights on ESPN, NFL Network, Fox Sports, Fox Sports
FS one. We have seen more highlights of Shadors And
(35:33):
this is important to understand this piece of it because
this small detail of it will become a ginormous detail
as we move forward. You are seeing oversaturated coverage of
a fifth round draft pick completing passes over and over
and over and over again. You're watching a fifth rounder
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in practice, not the game, not a game, not full pets.
He's in practice, and they keep showing you clips like
you thinking of one where to du dove and cut
it going into the end zone, like they're creating NFL
(36:20):
film highlights of Senor Sanders playing ball in practice and
OTAs we ain't even got the training cat. This ain't
even training cat. Can you imagine the coverage on schor
Sanders when they get to training camp. They're gonna have
a Shandor Sanders camp. Look.
Speaker 2 (36:38):
I know that it was impossible because of whatever rules
or restrictions it has.
Speaker 3 (36:42):
But that's why I said.
Speaker 2 (36:43):
At the time, if you were HBO, if you could
swap out the bills for the Browns on hard Knocks,
would you not do it? Like it'd be the best
rated hard knocks they've had in years? Because people want
to see how this plays out and how many how
many completions have you seen cam Ward throw the number
one pick in Ota?
Speaker 3 (37:05):
I haven't seen one. Yeah, I have not seen one. Hot.
I don't even know if Jackson Darts picked up a
football yet. I have no idea. I haven't. I've seen
Jackson Dark getting a lot of love and a lot
of coverage from the media, especially from like the social
media team of the Giants. Like I pay attention to
all this stuff. I sit on my phone and I
(37:28):
look at all the stuff going on, what's hitting the
algorithms and all this and sports and da DA DA
and NFL or NBA. I look at all these things.
I'd look all day long. Shador Sanders. The coverage on
him is.
Speaker 7 (37:47):
WOWD it is w I L D wild. I'm telling
you think about You're going to stop. Everybody who's listening.
You're gonna stop.
Speaker 3 (38:01):
You're gonna take a moment, and then you're gonna take inventory,
and then you're gonna realize that Shador Sanders is being
positioned to all of you to be the guy for
the Cleveland Browns, and if he's not, it is going
to be every single reason he was let down. There
(38:24):
will not be one person that says Shador Sanders isn't
the starter or the backup because somebody actually was better
than him. Now, whether it's true or not, I think
the travesty here, honestly, here is the true travesty of
this situation. Shador Sanders is a hell of a football player.
(38:49):
That young man can play some football. He's been a
clutch kid since eighth grade. I know it because he
played in my game. The problem that's want to take
place here is that same pressure that is going to
be applied to the Cleveland Browns and to the starting
quarterback or who's ever in front of them. Multiply that
(39:12):
by however many fold you want to as to what
that's going to look like for Shador Sanders, Because just
as much as they'll build you up in these types
of moments, we paid it off. We paid it off.
We did what we were supposed to do. We hoard you,
draft came, we used you, we rode you, We attached
(39:34):
to the carts to Shador Sanders, and he delivered for
our draft this year. You've been paid. We're even he
gets in there. Whatever comes next is going to be
based upon what his results are when he gets that operative.
(39:56):
If he gets that opportunity, it's almost seemingly better that
he not get an opportunity immediately, because he'll get more
fan fare for being victimized then he will be for
being the starter for the team. That's what's being set up.
That's all of this. That's the travesty, because if he
really is good, then he should be able to have
(40:17):
the fair opportunity to be measured and weighed as being
really good. I don't know that there is an environment
that's being creative for him to have a fair opportunity
one way or the other.
Speaker 2 (40:28):
It's too far down the road. It's too far down
the road. And it goes back to that same discussion.
Sometimes backups, if they're too loud, aren't good backups. It's
almost to the point to where if he's named the
number two behind Joe Flacco, all the questions are going
(40:48):
to be when's he gonna get a chance. The Browns
are sitting at you know, I don't know, four and eight.
They can outplay it. Yeah, you gotta be, you gotta be.
Speaker 3 (41:00):
I would venture to say they might be undefeated, and
they still be saying they'd be better. They're setting themselves
up for failure. And then the moment they lose, why
are you going to be saying, I told you if
Shador was in there, they wouldn't they wouldn't have lost
that one game.
Speaker 2 (41:15):
And meanwhile, Jimmy Hasmum's like, don't have to hear about
the Sean anymore?
Speaker 3 (41:20):
Now you didn't you done? Brought in another one? Hey,
that's all he did, and brought in another one. It is,
and that this is not Shador sanders fault. By the way,
this has absolutely nothing to do with blaming Shador Sanders.
This has everything to do with how media works, how
politics work, how influencing works, and and that's where we live.
(41:44):
This is this is where we live right now. Is
that a fifth round draft pick is so influential because
of how strong and how clearly defined his brand is,
that it has created this type of coverage, and that
coverage will ultimately be the undoing of the Cleveland Browns
this year if they're not careful.
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Speaker 3 (42:36):
Pete.
Speaker 2 (42:36):
Good morning and congratulations on the two to one series lead.
Speaker 8 (42:41):
And series over by the ways.
Speaker 3 (42:43):
Oh wow, you're calling it calling it.
Speaker 8 (42:46):
I mean, look, one team can do so many things
and has a goalie. The other team can do so
many things and does not have a goalie.
Speaker 4 (42:55):
Wow.
Speaker 8 (42:55):
And I said before that game, I said, letting up
that goal in over time I was gonna be a
problem for Skinner and it was and they ended up
yanking him and now they have goalie decision to make,
so they're deeper. Edminton has the best player in the world,
Conor McDavid, LaVar, Conor McDavid. There you go, there you go,
And uh, Florida is just too deep for him. And
(43:17):
then Edmonton tried to get tough last night and they
kind of backfired on him as well. So uh yeah,
I'm gonna call it series over.
Speaker 3 (43:23):
Wow. All right, So I guess the pursuit of Aaron
Rodgers is also over. He is now the starting quarterback
of the Pittsburgh Steelers. I actually watched the game last night.
Uh yeah, come on, Pete, like you doubting, Uh.
Speaker 8 (43:36):
Did you enjoy it? LeVar?
Speaker 3 (43:37):
You know when I watch it, I watch it. I
enjoyed my days in d C. I really, you know,
did a lot of coverage on our radio show, so
I got to learn, you know, learn it instead of
just being a you know fan from Pittsburgh, you know,
like Lemieux and Yoger and all those guys. But I
didn't know the game. Then once I started doing radio
(43:59):
in d C. You know, you're required to know what
it is you're talking about. So I started learning about
the creases and protecting the ice and icing and all
that stuff. And goalie play is the key. You gotta
have a dope ass goalie, you know. And you got
to have some guys that are fearless and aren't afraid
to get into the crease and do what they need
(44:20):
to do. And yeah, I mean I like it. I
like it. I don't watch it very very often ever
since I've come out here, but yeah, I mean I
watched last night and it definitely wasn't enjoyable.
Speaker 8 (44:31):
You know, I was late to the sport too, I'll
be honest with you. When I was younger, I was
like a kid, and I didn't love hockey, and I
watched it a little bit, but I loved it and
then and then I had to cover it in Denver
when I first started out doing some hockey out there,
And and then you get used to it, and then
you start learning the game, like you said, you understand
it more and it becomes that much better. Now that
(44:51):
I actually have a team I really like. I think
it's great. It's fantastic. Fact I've enjoyed not just because
of the Panthers being in it, but up until last night,
series was better than the NBA series. And I've always
been a big NBA guy, Man.
Speaker 3 (45:04):
Pete, I do.
Speaker 2 (45:05):
I am curious now that the details are out on
the Aaron Rodgers contract, what does that tell you about
the decision for Aaron Rodgers and the Pittsburgh Steelers to
do unite for this upcoming year.
Speaker 8 (45:18):
Well, it's going to happen. It was always going to happen,
and it's just a matter of when it happened. Because
there was no conceivable way the Pittsburgh Steelers were playing
with Mason Rudolph. They just weren't. And they knew ultimately
that Rodgers would make the decision to come back and play,
and they let him go on a timetable. And now
he has to get in there and learn the offense.
But he's been doing that. He's a smart guy, hild
and they'll figure it out. And all of a sudden,
(45:39):
now they have a legitimate quarterback. So it made sense
from both sides. Look, he played well down the stretch,
last year once he got past his injury, and remember
all that talk about a couple of years ago, he's
going to come back in December. Sure he was, because
he clearly wasn't the same guy early last season. But
once he got back in there at the end of
the year, I mean he was. I mean once he
got back healthy again at the end of the year,
(46:00):
playing good footbally through what twenty nine touchdown pass That's
more than a lot of guys ty Josh Allen for
touchdown passes. So I think he's going to go in
there and definitely upgrade the offense from what they had. Now,
are they good enough to get to the playoffs? That's
the question even with the Rogers, because the Steelers traditionally
been a run heavy team that could run the ball
and do good things in that area and stop the
(46:21):
run and turn their pass rushers lose. Well, they weren't
the same team last year in any of those facets,
so I'm concerned from that standpoint. But they are significantly
upgraded at quarterback with Rogers.
Speaker 3 (46:32):
Can you help me with this one, Pete. I'm I'm
of the mindset that you get what you pay for.
You know, whether and even if it's a person that
would be deserving of more, if they give you less
based off of what their compensation is, then you know
you have to deal with that based upon what you
value that talent at I look at this contract. It
(46:54):
doesn't screen to me. We have our franchise guy for
a year to take us to a super Bowl.
Speaker 8 (47:01):
It doesn't not to me. It's a one year deal.
That's what the NFL. I mean, that's basically what The
deal has got some incentives in it. If he takes
the far away will get to you know, No, it
looks I think.
Speaker 3 (47:12):
He Well, you do value it, You you do value it.
You look at it like that's a it's a good contract.
Speaker 8 (47:18):
For a one year deal on a forty two year
old guy. Yeah, it's a decent contract for a guys
doesn't need the money. I have no problem with the contract.
Speaker 3 (47:25):
But see that's my problem for the guy that doesn't
need the money. Like, so you're we're going to put
it on that, you know what I mean? Like, what
are we? What are if if I want to get
the best player for one year's time, I'm only give
him a market value of the top quarterbacks. I'm going
to give him a one year contract based off of
(47:47):
what the market value is of guys of his caliber.
Was old I got a.
Speaker 8 (47:52):
One year deal for twenty one million.
Speaker 3 (47:53):
I mean that's all. That's a comparison, that's not a
good one.
Speaker 8 (47:56):
But if they're on the same ballpark, those one year deals,
they're usually the same. It's it's it's the question becomes
what if he plays well and wants to continue playing,
then all of a sudden you have to figure that out.
Speaker 3 (48:09):
That's a complex that's a complex situation to find yourself in.
Speaker 8 (48:12):
For certain Well, yeah, but but they haven't fixed the
quarterback position, LeVar quarterback position. You're going to be playing
this pluck one for a year game. I mean that
that's the way it is.
Speaker 3 (48:23):
Doesn't it make sense to you to do it two
years in a row?
Speaker 8 (48:28):
Doesn't make sense? No, But but they they missed on picket.
If they did a picket, they would ticket.
Speaker 3 (48:34):
They did picket.
Speaker 8 (48:35):
So until you fix it, you got to keep trying
to get guys like this to play. Is it the
Is it the solution you want? Absolutely not. But in
this scenario, would you rather have Mason Ludolf? Would you
rather have Aaron Rodgers? I mean it's a simple It's
a simple answer to an easy It's an easy answer
to a simple question. It's Rogers time ten.
Speaker 3 (48:55):
Where do you put the draft the draft pick in
all of this? Because to me, I feel like, like
you said, you are searching for that guy that can
be your franchise guy who wants to keep doing rent
a QB. You know, this is two years of rental QB.
Is this is this just buying time to get you know,
the kid out of Ohio State. Will Howard get him
ready to go? Or is there another play here that
(49:18):
you think future future wise, they're waiting to try to
find the guy that's going to be the guy? Like,
what's the reasoning behind Like I understand getting Aaron Rodgers,
he he upgrades you from what you have, But is
getting Justin Fields and Russell Wilson last year? You know,
(49:38):
is that the solution to getting to this year where
it's like, Okay, the solution is bringing in another guy
that that is on a one year deal, you know,
show me type deal. What is the what like if
this is how you're doing things, what is the ultimate
goal for this team?
Speaker 8 (49:53):
They got to draft the quarterback eventually and get him
early in the draft book. Howard is an interesting guy,
but you can't expect him where he was drafted, to
come in and become the long term answer. You hope
maybe you hit it, but you don't know, and I
don't think you'll know this year. But here's what you
got to do. If you go in and Rogers stinks
and that draft pick is bad, then you got to
find to go into a deep quarterback class next year
(50:14):
and get one. There's a ton of them next year's draft,
by the way, and so a one year deal makes sense.
They missed on picket, they tried it, they didn't hit it.
Now now you go back, you gotta scramble. You get fields,
you get Wilson, like you said, you get Rogers. You're scrambling.
It's scramble mode. Well, if this doesn't work, you go
back in next year. There might be nine guys or
(50:35):
eight guys that you can pick a quarterback out of
next year. If arch Manning comes out, nuss Meyer, Sellers, Leavitt,
I mean the kid that transferred from cal to Indiana.
I mean, there's a ton of guys in next year's
draft back. Maybe he has a resurgence. So there's six, right,
off the bat, you know, and I haven't even thought
about the rest of them. There's a lot of them.
(50:55):
So maybe you get your quarterback next year. You play
with Rogers this year and get your quarterback next year. Look,
I know people sit there say wall keep keep saying
next year, next year, next year. But what are you
supposed to do A play with Mason Rudolph No.
Speaker 2 (51:08):
Pete Prisco joining us here on Fox Sports Radio. Pete,
I want to ask you about this in regard to
the Aaron Rodgers conversation, because one of the stories that
was out there, I think was Adam Schefter reported this
that Rogers was the third option for Pittsburgh, that they
wanted Matthew Stafford, they wanted to bring back Justin Fields.
So they then turn their sights to Aaron Rodgers. So listen,
(51:31):
Matt Stafford. I don't know that anybody who truly believed
he was going to leave the Rams. But the Justin
Fields conversation is kind of interesting because why would Justin
Fields unless the money was significantly different, and you know
something more than I do, why would Justin Fields choose
the Jets as opposed to staying in Pittsburgh and wanting
(51:54):
to do it over again without having to worry about
potentially getting bench for Russell Wilson for a year or two.
Like why the Jets over the Steelers Unless the money
was just that much of a difference.
Speaker 8 (52:05):
The money was probably better. I think it was that
he got his contract that the Jets was.
Speaker 3 (52:09):
A little bit better.
Speaker 8 (52:11):
And by the way, what did they do him well
last year? Did they treat him well last year?
Speaker 3 (52:15):
No? Yeah, okay, not that his standard I would assume, of.
Speaker 8 (52:19):
Course not, of course not. And so I think it
made sense for him to go to a place that
wanted him and wanted him to be the starting quarterback.
So I think they did their he did the right thing.
And if Aaron Rodgers is his third option, it's because
he's forty two years old. I mean, Aaron Rodgers can
play for Aaron Rodgers at the end of last year
was better than justin Field. I don't care what anybody said.
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But the question is is can he continue to do it?
And that's why I think he's the third option.
Speaker 3 (52:46):
Pete. I was having a conversation with Jonas earlier about
the amount of coverage on Shador Sanders, and I think
it's like a repayment of how maybe embarrassed or shamed
people felt in the media going with the overwhelming narrative
(53:08):
of Shador Sanders in the draft. He basically drove this
year's draft and has continued to drive NFL headlines even
now as a fifth round fourth string quarterback. I feel
like the Cleveland Browns have placed themselves in a very
very compromising position based upon the influence, based upon the
(53:31):
fame and notoriety, and maybe the possibilities that exist with
Shador Sanders. Now, I'll say this, I feel like where
we're at now, Pete. Maybe the clarity now for me
is that the teams that passed up on him, they
didn't pass up on him because of his talent. They
passed up on him because of finding themselves possibly in
(53:53):
the same circumstances that the Cleveland Browns find themselves in
right now.
Speaker 8 (54:00):
I don't buy that. I don't buy that. It's a town.
If he could play, they don't care what you do know,
he would have if they would have thought he was
better than a fifth round pick, they would have taken
him in the fourth round or the third round, or
some other team would have taken him. I don't buy that.
And you know, we get so caught up in all
that stuff. Lebar Well he didn't interview. Well, he was
a pain in the ass. He was, you know, stand
(54:21):
office in the interviews. His dad's a problem. His dad's
going to be an influence, and he's got all the
other stuff going. If he could play, he could play.
It doesn't matter. None of that matters. And the reality
is the NFL didn't think he could play. They didn't
think he was a quality starting quarterback in the National
Football League. Well, now he has an opportunity to go
prove them all wrong. We've seen guys prove them all wrong.
The greatest of all time proved everybody wrong. There's a
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six round pick. Well, here's the other part of it.
Everything he does, like he'll throw a pass in the
training camp and it gets somebody sends it out. One
of those aggregators sends it out and says, oh, look
how Crady looks. He's still running fourteen. There's a reason
he's not getting the snaps until the fourteen And so
he's got to be extraordinary to go win that job.
(55:02):
If he if he's what he thinks he is and
what his dad thinks he is, then go win the
damn job. If not, and you don't play very well,
you're probably going to be on the practice squad. And
so I think that's where it is for him. Go
either show up, show off and become the guy for
the future, or you're probably going to be the fourth guy,
and the fourth guy usually doesn't make the team. There.
Speaker 2 (55:24):
He is the great Pte Prisco with us here on
Fox Sports Radio.
Speaker 3 (55:27):
Get him on X by the way, if you want
some of that smoke. If you are an.
Speaker 2 (55:30):
Edmonton Oiler fan and you want to try and fight, man,
I'm telling you this.
Speaker 3 (55:35):
Is why I saw.
Speaker 2 (55:37):
You.
Speaker 8 (55:37):
Guys didn't stay up at the end of the game.
But there was a bunch of them last night and
that yeah, oh yeah.
Speaker 3 (55:45):
Pounded on.
Speaker 8 (55:46):
But they haven't won a Cup in Canada since what
nineteen ninety three?
Speaker 3 (55:50):
Yes, it's my freshman year of high school.
Speaker 8 (55:54):
Well that's how long ago that was. I was thirty
three back then.
Speaker 2 (56:02):
You look great, though, Pete, I know. Get him on
X again at Prisco CBS. Pete always appreciate it. We'll
do it again next week. There is Pete Prisco, senior
NFL columnist for CBS Sports, CBS Sports HQ, analyst, always
a beaming light of optimism here on the show, whatever
(56:25):
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