June 13, 2025 • 49 mins
It’s a Football Friday the 13th on 2 Pros and a Cup of Joe, and the Bengals first round pick walks away from minicamp because of contract disputes. George Pickens is getting rave review in Dallas but just give it time before he gets a hot head. Justin Turner plays a harmless joke.The big picture with the Knicks firing Tom Thibodeau and much more!
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Speaker 1 (00:02):
Is the best of two pros and a couple Joe
with Lamar Rings and Rady Win and Jonas Knox on radio.
Speaker 2 (00:13):
Good morning to you and yours Leaverrington.
Speaker 3 (00:18):
Go Canada. Oh, I mean good morning, Jonas morning. Uh,
good morning I and screw you to.
Speaker 2 (00:30):
Pete Prisco and uh and Brady Quinn Have Pete today?
The Florida Panthers blowhards.
Speaker 4 (00:36):
Well, why can't we have Brady today? Damp glad? We
have others today?
Speaker 2 (00:42):
All right? So we are we are off and running
here on this Friday morning.
Speaker 4 (00:47):
Are we running or are we just off?
Speaker 2 (00:49):
Yeah, listen, we're well, We're not off. We're running. We're
running a gun in here. And you know, it's good
that you can depend on the usual suspects first lines
around the National Football League at this time of year.
I would say that, and the usual suspects would be
the Cincinnati Bengals who just cannot help themselves. Cannot help themselves.
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This is par for the course when it comes to
the Cincinnati Bengals. We have chronicled the situation with Shamar Stewart.
He's unhappy with a new method the Bengals are taking
when it comes to being able to avoid certain guarantees
and rookie contracts. He wants it to go back to
the way that they've always done it. They're trying to
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do something new, and so Shamar Stewart spoke out about
it earlier this week and then you know, just decided yesterday,
I'm out of here, and he decided to leave mini camp.
In the midst of this contract dispute with the Cincinnati Bengals,
Zach Taylor was asked about it and just kind of well,
you know, didn't seem all that please. You know, he
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would have preferred that it was maybe kept a little
more in house whatnot. But also Bengals Center and most importantly,
nfl PA Vice President Ted Kerris defended not only Shamar
Stewart but also Trey Hendrickson amidst his demand for a
new contract with since he let's take a listen.
Speaker 5 (02:15):
It's not the best case scenario of how the Spring
could have gone for our first round pick. But you know,
there is a pretty serious business aspect to our profession.
And you know, he's taken counsel from from his you
know camp, and you know, I don't The main thing
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I want to say is I don't think to either
of our defensive ends that there's not any harboring resentment
in this locker room to them.
Speaker 4 (02:42):
I know, and I.
Speaker 5 (02:43):
Really hope that both camps can figure this out because
we have a you know, we have a really good team.
We've had a super productive spring, and you know, you
just don't want this to carry over into into summer.
I think from a PA perspective, always, we don't want
you know, language and contracts that are gonna be negative
to players. As far as guaranteed money, We're always trying
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to you know, max the amount of guarantees that guys get,
so you.
Speaker 4 (03:09):
Know, it's a business negotiation.
Speaker 5 (03:10):
And you know, I just I'm you know, I feel
for Shamar that you know, he has to kind of
this is his first taste of the league with you know,
kind of a lot of hate on the internet, not hate,
but since he Twitter is a mess around, so you know,
I hope that he can come and be super productive
in fall and kind of get everyone back on his side.
Speaker 2 (03:32):
Your Cincinnati Bengals just delivering the goods every offseason. Joe
Burrow called her the distraction. They've made it a point
and a priority this offseason to take care of the offense.
You've got two players on defense, one of which was
the sax leader a year ago. That's been dragging on
for quite some time and just can't seem to get
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those defensive deals done for whatever reason. You know, Jermaine
Pratt was a long time bangal. He's gone. He was
looking at to get traded because they wouldn't work on
a new deal with him. He just signed with the Raiders.
It just feels like they've made it very clear what
they're prioritizing this offseason going into next.
Speaker 3 (04:11):
I thought Teed made a great point on the Twitter Twitter, Twitter,
SINCI fans and social media and how that plays a
part in all of this. Whenever a rookie, I'll just
start with rookie. I'll stay with rookie instead of Hendrickson
right this moment. But as far as with a rookie
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who has never played for your team yet has not
been able to establish themselves yet in the community, the
new community that they're in, I wonder how much the
organization takes that into consideration when all of these things
are taking place, because generally speaking, the fans aren't going
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to be forgiving to the player. It's the weirdest phenomenon, Like,
it's not like the fans are like, what is since
he doing da da da, this, that and the other,
and no, you're gonna have a large sector of the
fan base harassing and talking crazy to the player as
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if the player doesn't know what he's doing, is that
the player is greedy or the player is something other
and it has a damaging effect. I know, I was
what they said air quotes a holdout. And it's interesting
because what does Shamar Stewart in terms of a contract
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have right now?
Speaker 4 (05:43):
You know what he has right now?
Speaker 3 (05:44):
John nothing? So if you have nothing, you can't be
a holdout. Like think about it. The idea that guys
start to get labeled holdouts. The term is if if
it's being you who's correctly a holdouts, someone who is
working for you and they don't show up to work,
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that's holding out. But if I don't have a contract
with you, I don't have a job, so technically you
haven't even officially hired me yet, this is not a holdout.
This is first things first, Like, players get accused of
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a lot of things sometimes, and one of the things
that they can be accused of is not handling their
business properly. It comes up a lot, you know, the
immaturity or the lack of attention to the detail of this,
and it's like, okay, But when you do have athletes
that are paying attention to the details and they are
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doing things the right way and they are putting business first,
they're putting a bad way into a bad bag because
of that decision that they're making. Schamar's store and his
team are making a valid, a valid point to why
would you take guarantees out? Look, why would you void
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my guarantees other than me doing something that that to
me is taking away from the franchise and the shield.
Speaker 4 (07:23):
Why else would you?
Speaker 3 (07:24):
Why else would you cancel out any guarantees that you
put in my contract.
Speaker 2 (07:29):
Especially if he's just asking for the same thing you've
always done this year.
Speaker 3 (07:33):
It makes no sense. It makes no sense. It makes
no sense. And now you're you're creating you're creating drama,
You're creating friction. Whether there's hard feelings held after or not.
He's going to be Schamar the rookie. He's going to
be judged by some of these these fans, and some
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of them may never even forgive them.
Speaker 4 (07:58):
Ah, he's greedy.
Speaker 3 (08:00):
This that and the other. We don't need those types
of players. Like, what do you mean, what do you
mean you don't need.
Speaker 4 (08:06):
These types of players? What type of player is he?
Speaker 3 (08:08):
The type of player that wants a fear contract, Like
he's gonna get his opportunity to play, but now he's
missing reps, he's missing practices. And these coaches, whether they'll
admit it or not, they're partial towards the guys that
are there. And so now you've created a disconnect possibly
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between player and coaches. You've possibly created a disconnect between
player and fans, and you've possibly created friction and a
disconnect between organization and fans.
Speaker 4 (08:46):
It's a lose on all on all fronts.
Speaker 3 (08:50):
And for what is the reasoning behind making this a
sticking point to getting the deal done? It's unbeliev to me.
I don't understand it. And unless the Cincinnati Bengals front
office comes out with clarity on what this represents, I
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think it's a problem.
Speaker 4 (09:12):
And it's not the type of problem.
Speaker 3 (09:14):
You need when your team that has the type of
tack that it has and the possibilities that exist, and
you your top draft pick is not around because of
a technicality. It's not a number. It's not really a number,
it's it's a technicality. Don't void out my guarantees if
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it's that simple. And not playing that man's contract should
have been done and signed and he should have been
in and not being a storyline that surrounds your team
or the National Football League just seems unwarranted, unnecessary and unneeded.
Speaker 2 (09:55):
And also just from a big picture standpoint of your
the Bengals, and this doesn't even getting into the details
of the contract and all. You have a window here,
and you have an opportunity with a franchise quarter of
a legitimate franchise quarterback that you drafted in his prime
that you've heard glowing reviews from anybody who's watched him.
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You've got whether it's Dan Troy Aikman says, he's one
of my favorite quarterbacks of all time. You got your
guy because you sucked so bad that he was sitting
there and you were in the perfect spot to draft him,
and you got the deal done. He's got his extension.
You have this window and this opportunity to do something special.
You went to a Super Bowl and he wasn't even
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in his prime yet. He like, you've got a guy
who actually has beaten Patrick Mahomes in a playoff game,
which is rarefied air, and has had success against the
dynasty of his era, and they're like, eh, you know,
Nikol and diming a guy who led the league in
sacks to do something different for a rookie than they've
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done every other It just feels like this organization is
potentially going to get in the way of this opportunity
to maybe.
Speaker 4 (11:12):
You're going to get away your own self.
Speaker 2 (11:14):
Blows my mind. There's probably your biggest opponent, asked me
right here, the Bengals having their bye week. They got
the Bengals. They don't get a guy Bengals here. I
just like, I don't. There's there's probably teams around the
NFL that are looking at the Bengals going, what are
you doing? We would love to have your problems, Like, oh,
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you kids, you can't seem to figure out how you
can pay. I don't get it. It seems so obvious
to me. And for some reason, the Bengals are like, no, no, no,
we'll just you know, we're still trying to figure this
whole thing out. No, this should be obvious. Whatever it takes,
get the deal done. Like and when when Shamar Stewart
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says and talks of about the players in the locker
room that have been supportive of him, and he said that,
you know, a couple of days ago, Like that tells
me there's probably veterans that are like talking to him,
like we discussed when we broke down him making those
comments that are like, man, you do what you need
to do. This is not on you, This is on them,
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Like this is on them. It's just it's such a
bad look for the Bengals.
Speaker 3 (12:22):
Man, I just don't feel like this is a heel
you need to put your toes down on, put your
flag in and die on.
Speaker 4 (12:34):
Just not the one and for all of this.
Speaker 3 (12:39):
Now you're saying you're setting a new precedence for how
you handle rookies, which now you already have a slotted
a slotted number in the NFL draft. It's not like
you need to be really negotiating. It's kind of already slotted.
The numbers are the numbers. So get the contract done
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and get moving like it just doesn't make very much
sense at all. It's your first round draft pick. Get
the contract done. That used to be a thing. It
used to be a thing back when the NFLPA and
the NFL didn't have the deal the way it's done now.
It used to be a thing, you know, he's asking
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for too much money or this language here isn't good
enough for the situation. They got to figure out what
that looks like. Like those were different times because you
were negotiating dollars. And while I'll say, okay, this does
include dollars because obviously, if you can avoid guarantees, have
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they released and this is a very important piece.
Speaker 4 (13:50):
Of the puzzle.
Speaker 3 (13:52):
Have they released what guarantees they're fighting to be able
to cancel in the contract? Has the details of that
come out yet?
Speaker 2 (14:01):
So from my understanding based on it, and if you
give me a sec I can pull up the wording
because I think it was the Cincinnati Inquirer who who
wrote about what exactly the hold up is. And from
my understanding, according to the Cincinnati Inquirer, let's see, let
me let me find this exactly. Okay, give me one
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sec here. But it's something along the lines of the
injury like injury guarantees that they're trying to be able
to avoid that they haven't done before, something along those lines.
Speaker 3 (14:36):
But it's so basically any any roster or any bonuses
that he would have, any guarantees he would have if
he gets injured. They want those void, those to be
voided out. They don't want they don't want to have
the Deshaun Watson situation. They don't want to have a
guy come in have guarantees but gets injured and isn't playing.
Speaker 4 (14:59):
Is that like what that sounds like?
Speaker 2 (15:01):
Here's the from this is from Adam Schefter on the
clause that is in the contract isn't normal and that's
why Shamar Stewart is objecting the way he is. The Bengals, Uh,
let me find more details on it. But it's just
it's it's an abnormal clause that teams do not normally do,
and the Bengals are now trying to pull off and
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do this year that that's I guess that's.
Speaker 3 (15:27):
I will say from the other side of it. From
the other side of it, if they're trying to protect
their interest by having something that you know, protects their
their you know what they have going on, they need
to have the conversation, like they need to explain it
so that the the general public has an understanding of
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why this something like this that is considered to be
new and being introduced to the scenario is what they're
trying to do. Somebody, a representative, if you're keeping quiet,
seems shady because the idea of but I've already said
for for as long as I if you know me,
I think publishing and giving public knowledge of professional athletes
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contracts and how much they make is absurd and it's ridiculous.
Speaker 4 (16:20):
I really do.
Speaker 3 (16:22):
And I also think that it's absurd that that has
to be an element that a rookie has to to
navigate because it's not.
Speaker 4 (16:31):
It's not on them.
Speaker 2 (16:32):
So here's a here's a little more detail for you
from ESPN. According to a source with knowledge of the negotiations,
the sticking point is language in the contract that could
avoid guaranteed money in future years. For example, if Stewart
were suspended even for an off field reason such as
leading with the crown of the helmet or other similar
penalties that could eliminate future guarantees.
Speaker 3 (16:54):
I mean, I'll say, the game is evolving, and if
you're going to go out there and you're doing things
that are egregious towards your your campaign as a player,
and it's egregious towards you know, the campaign of the team.
If you're out there head hunting and playing in a
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way where you're gonna get fined or get suspended or
anything like that, disqualified from from games. I get that.
I get that. That's an extreme. That's an extreme. I mean,
but yeah, I mean, let's be real here, Defenders play defense.
So now you basically you want your defender being paranoid
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about if there's a judgment call lift. We've seen plenty
of judgment calls, a questionable you know, ways guys have
been hit and I haven't always agreed with one way
or the other, you know, So, so now you're basically
saying you're trying to introduce language that will govern his
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contract and his money based off of something that could
be left to interpretation that happens on the field for
a defender.
Speaker 2 (18:07):
And you've never don And the most part that I
keep looking at is you've never done that before. This
is the first time you've done something to this extent,
and you're picking now to do it. That's his gripe, like,
why now can we just do the one you did
last year or the year before. But for whatever I mean.
Speaker 3 (18:26):
Again, evolution happens, things change you know, I understand that,
I understand things changing and business being handled, But the
one thing that they don't have on their side is
the fact that it's being done outside of the public eye.
It has become public. And so now that it is
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a public conversation that's taking place and the details of
it are coming to the forefront, is this a big
enough sticking point for you not to have your rookie
signed and ready to go. And I'll just say this,
at the bare minimum, the sad thing about all of
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this is.
Speaker 4 (19:12):
This is business, and that's a reality. Business is business.
Speaker 3 (19:16):
And now college players are going to have to adapt
and adjust and learn what business is all about, and
so are the colleges. They're going to have to adapt
and adjust. But in the league, sometimes the necessary and
that's not even sometimes, it's every time. The necessary evil
that's connected to what takes place is you got to
negotiate a contract, and for better or for worse, if
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there is evolution of what a player wants or what
the organization wants, those are things that have to play
out between the negotiators, the lawyers, the agents, and the
people that represent the team. So while we're sitting here
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and it is a discussable topic. It still is one
of those topics Jonas where it is a necessary evil.
They're not at training camp yet, and even if they
were at training camp, you get one time to do
your contract the right way. The only contract that matters
is the contract you have right in front of you
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at this moment in time. You get one time, no
guarantees that you get another one. So you got to
take your time to do it properly and do it
the right way, and so that you're happy with it
and you're comfortable with it because you're going to have
it for a few years and that could be your
first and only contract that you ever do, so you
better get it right. So it's a necessary evil if
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I'm looking at it from the less chaotic, the less
turbulent and confrontational way, it's just a part of it.
Speaker 4 (20:52):
It's just sad that it has.
Speaker 3 (20:53):
To gain the coverage and gain the I guess, the
way it's being handled, the way the way people feel
about it. You hate that that has to happen, because
this is a necessary evil to negotiate getting to the
end of a contract.
Speaker 2 (21:10):
Speaking of necessary evils, I didn't want to point out
here because I think it's important, especially on today.
Speaker 4 (21:17):
It's a football Friday.
Speaker 2 (21:18):
It is a football part Friday Friday. Come on, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 3 (21:23):
Ab shot God Friday, Yay.
Speaker 4 (21:27):
Antonio Brown shot a gun. It's Friday, yay. And now
the cops is.
Speaker 1 (21:32):
Looking for them.
Speaker 4 (21:33):
They looking for they looking for them, They're looking for them.
On Friday, on Friday, on Friday, on Friday.
Speaker 2 (21:40):
Get your dance on, get your dance on, get your
dance on, get your dance on. Dan Dance dam Dance, Dance,
Dance dance.
Speaker 3 (21:48):
Are you the Abe of the week? I said, are
you the a b ab of the week. You know
what I'm talking about. We gotta switch it up what
I'm talking about.
Speaker 4 (21:58):
Gotta switch it up.
Speaker 2 (21:59):
We gotta switch it up.
Speaker 4 (22:00):
Let's do it for Eddie.
Speaker 3 (22:01):
Come on Friday Night of the Football Priday. All right, yeah, ye,
Football Priday.
Speaker 1 (22:10):
Brock Suckle.
Speaker 4 (22:13):
Doing Scot I Confel.
Speaker 1 (22:16):
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Speaker 2 (22:30):
That was a pretty short lived brand new show name
with LeVar and I running things around here with Brady
Quinn out. We came up with Black and Drack, obviously
a play on words, me being Dracula and LeVar being
well Black and Levar's not here. He's got to catch
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a flight. So he will be going to State College,
as he mentioned before, and he's going to be doing
some things in State College, PA. So I'll be taking
you again all the way up for the next couple
of hours here toward till the end of the show
here on FSR. But I did notice this, and I
think it's important to point this out. Sometimes you got
to point out the obvious, and I wanted to point
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out the obvious for somebody in the NFL because this
is crucial, crucial to this story. So today is Friday
the thirteenth. Now I don't know exactly if Friday the
thirteenth is still a thing. I don't know if that's
something that people look at and go, oh my god,
it's almost a full moon. It's Friday the thirteenth. What
you know, is this an indicator that there's going to
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be some sort of a weird event that occurs, Like
I don't even I don't know if that's still a thing.
It's like horoscopes. I used to be into horoscopes at
one point in my life. And then I looked down
at the fine print and it said for entertainment purposes only,
and I realized, oh, that's a waste of time, Like
this is a waste of time to look at this
to determine what my day looks like. And then you realize,
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you know, the one for Pisces, and can answer is
the same for Gemini. Just kind of twisted around the
words a little bit and you realize, probably all a
load of crap. But the date is important. The day
June thirteenth is important, and it's important to point out
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because June thirteenth is a ways away from the NFL
regular season. We got some time here, we got time.
Yet for some reason, June thirteenth is important to the
discussion because, well, you know, you're trying to find the positives,
You're trying to find something you can feel good about
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when it comes to one franchise, and that franchise is
none other than the Dallas Cowboys. Because I saw this
thrown out there on social media earlier this week, and
I'm not trying to air anybody out who's doing the
reporting on this, But I do find it a little bizarre.
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There was a tweet that was sent out that said,
the following Cowboys quarterback Dak Prescott went fifteen for nineteen
with four touchdowns during today's practice. What are we doing, dude? Like?
What are we doing? Like really like, like, what are
we doing? Why are we box scoring this? Why are
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we going down this road? Why are we having discussions
about what Dak Prescott's statlite is? Unless you're one of
these degenerate flunkies who can't get enough of fantasy football,
so you got to do fantasy training camp football, which
is a whole nether level of degenerate. That's all. That's
like the guy who you know, his kid comes to
him when he's graduating, turns eighteen. He graduates, like Dad,
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you know anything he got for me? So I can? Yeah,
I mean I would have loved to, but I played
fantasy training camp football back in the day and I
lost my ass. So I don't know what to tell you.
Your college savings, whatever I had for you, all that's gone.
But here we are June. It's June thirteenth, and we
are box scoring Dak Prescott's fifteen for nineteen with four
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touchdowns at Cowboys practice. We're not even in training camp,
we're not even an ox Stard, and we're keeping score
of what Dak Prescott's doing. And it's not just a
Cowboys thing. This happens around the NFL. It's going to
continue to happen. It's a major pet peeve of mine,
but hey, people love the NFL. It's all good, got you.
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It's also important to point out that it's June thirteenth,
It's Friday the thirteenth, so you know, with the season
being a ways away, that feels like a key detail
for one of the new arrivals in Dallas, and that
new arrival is George Pickens. But according to Dak Prescott,
anything that you've heard and anything that's been speculated about
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when it comes to George Pickens, don't buy it. Yeah.
Speaker 6 (26:58):
I don't think that's why shed ever listen to what
somebody else says about somebody. I think you should judge
everyone for not judge, but find out for yourself who
they are and allow them to reveal them they're their
character to you. The guy, he's been great, he's been
phenomenal as the guy that loves football, loves his teammates.
He's been excited every day that he's been there. He's
been early, So no concerns on the personal matters of
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GP and anything about it. Just super excited that he's
on our team. He's he's one of us, and he's
a brother, and she's about continuing to grow and make
sure that we're putting the best out there. And that's
his approach.
Speaker 2 (27:31):
Why do we give it a little time? You know,
why don't we just give it, Give it just a
little bit of time. Please, for the love of Christ,
give it a little bit of time. George Pickens in
Pittsburgh was fined I believe a little over two hundred
thousand dollars for varying degrees of not meeting team standards.
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Are this in Pittsburgh. Pittsburgh's got a pretty good track
record of knowing when to turn the page on a
disgruntled player or a disgruntled wide receiver. Pretty good track record.
It seemingly always turns out well for Pittsburgh. It doesn't
always turn out well for the other guy. So pretty
good track record. Kept a lot of things quiet and
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decided we're good here. We got to move on from
George Pickens. And that was in Pittsburgh, where they do
a really good job also of keeping things behind closed doors.
You're not gonna hear a whole lot about it. And
that was in Pittsburgh where George Pickens wasn't in a
contract year, so to speak. He's now going to be
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in Dallas, which gets the most coverage maybe of any
professional team in sports from a national landscape. It's hard
to find anybody who gets more coverage in the Dallas Cowboys.
He's now in Dallas and he needs to play well
and produce to get that big contract he wants. And
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it's June thirteenth, and we're saying, yeah, I don't believe
any of this stuff. You hear, come on, man, like
got you gotta let this thing play out a little bit,
and you gotta let it play out a little bit,
because when it has played out, we've seen the results.
There was a story. I don't know if this is true.
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I don't know if this is one hundred percent accurate,
but there was a story that was thrown out there
that George Pickens showed up first of all, the one
that he showed up late for the Christmas game. That's true.
I'd like that, you know, we believe that that's true.
There's also another story that he showed up like twenty
minutes before kickoff. He walks onto the field or he
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walks into the building and he's eating a Twizzlers and
he says, my bad, there was traffic. Okay. Now, I'm
more of a red vine red rope guy myself. Twizzlers
pretty overrated. Feels more like, feels a little bit too
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to gimmicky. If you ask me, like, that's something you
would get in the you know, it would be at
the bottom of the Halloween bag when you get home.
It's like that. Or you know, the whoppers, the three
pack of whoppers you got from some neighbor who's a
cheap ass who's had him sitting around since their aunt
died four years ago. But the point is he's in Dallas. Now.
You can't escape any of this stuff. It's going to
(30:34):
be a story. Even people that don't have drama fall
into drama in Dallas. You can't escape any of it.
You got former Dallas players that are telling you, yeah,
it's kind of weird. We're trying to work out, trying
to get a lift in trying to hang out in
the building, and they've got tours going on. We feel
(30:57):
like zoo animals. There's people walking around. George Pickens can't
get away with any of this stuff. It's a different
environment altogether. So you've got a lot of evidence here
to suggest that this is gonna go really, really poorly. A.
(31:18):
It's George Pickens. Nothing against the guy. He's phenomenal, he's fantastic,
but a little bit of a wild card. I think
we can say entertaining is hell, but a little bit
of a wild card. See, you've got that. You've also
got the fact that the Pittsburgh Steelers wanted to move on,
and they seem to make pretty good decisions when it
(31:38):
comes to wanting to move on, as we've laid out before.
And you've got the coverage of the Dallas Cowboys. None
of it matters what's happening on June thirteenth at all, whatsoever.
We're gonna get to week four, Week five, Week six,
Ceedee Lamb is still going to be the number one receiver.
He's gonna be the number one target. Jake Ferguson's there.
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You've got guys that have built a rapport with Dak Prescott,
you mean to tell me George Pickens in a contract year,
knowing what's on the line, generations of wealth potentially if
he plays well and plays up to his potential. You
mean to tell me that same George Pickens isn't going
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to have an outburst or two, isn't going to have
an issue or too with not getting the ball enough,
Like we really believe that. And Dak Prescott's doing his
job and he's laying it out as well. Listen, look,
I mean, you know anything you hear you can't really believe.
I could tell you my son is the most well
behaved guy in the world. Like he is the best man.
(32:43):
He's the best right when he arrives to the park,
he's the best, excited, energetic, happy, loves being there, great kid.
An hour later, I want to the SWAT team borderline, violent, cranky, upset, hungry, tired, annoyed,
(33:09):
sick of me. Just give it a little bit of time.
It's not really about the arrival, it's about the departure. Okay,
give it a little bit of time with George Pickens
when you're covering the Cowboys, give it a little bit
of time before we start breaking down what Dack's stats
are in training camp and give it a little bit
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of time because it is Dallas. Before we start just anointing,
everybody is, hey, it's a drama free team. It's not.
It never has been. And when you add all those
factors in surrounding George Pickens, something tells me there's going
to be a dust up sooner rather than later.
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some people would say, tough balls. And speaking of which,
I would like to take this time to defend somebody
here on the show. I would like to defend somebody.
(34:55):
And for people listening on one of those affiliates known
as the Blowtorch five to seventy LA Sports, you're going
to know this individual very well, very popular figure when
he was out here in Los Angeles, spent many years,
was a champion out here. And that's somebody is Justin Turner.
Justin Turner who is living out maybe the final days
(35:18):
of his major league baseball career at forty years old,
and he is currently a role player with the Chicago Cubs.
He comes in a little bit of a bit of
a platoon situation, but he comes in great locker room guy,
great clubhouse guy. Everybody loves Justin Turner and anybody that's
followed the course of his career, anybody out here in
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Los Angeles, you know, still very popular him and his wife,
the things they've done locally, just you cannot find anybody
this is a bad thing about Justin Turner. Everybody loves
Justin Turner. Well, Justin Turner finds himself a little bit
of an awkward predicament that really isn't his fault? Last
night during the Cubs Pirates game on Marquee Sports, and
(36:05):
I know because I was watching it with my son,
who's four years old. We're watching the game last night,
I believe it was intermission of the Stanley Cup Final,
which has been fantastic, and they decide to award something
called the Fan of the Game at Wrigley Field. Normally,
(36:28):
what they do is they'll find a fan in the
crowd and award that fan as fan of the game,
just kind of a little goofy, you know thing marque
Sports does. Instead, what they did is they decided to
award it to a player, and the player they awarded
it to was Justin Turner. The problem is they showed
(36:49):
Justin Turner down in the clubhouse jumping up and down
to celebrate his teammate's home run. That teammate is Seya Suzuki,
and apparently nobody at Mark Key who was working the
camera or the production noticed that Justin Turner, while jumping
up and down, had a pair of fake testicles on
while doing so. And the best part is the guys
(37:17):
call the game Boog Shambie and Jim Deshayes, who are fantastic.
By the way, they're one of the best duo calling
games anywhere. They just went silent. They showed Justin Turner
jumping up and down. He's got a pair of fake
truck nuts on and they don't know what to do.
(37:39):
They literally just went silent. And I would have done
anything to be in the booth to see what was
going on, because I guarantee me, I guarantee they were
laughing their ass off. You had no choice. It was
so awkward for everybody, and I've spotted it in real time.
(38:02):
I'm like, wait, wait what And you can find the
video if you go to social media. Just search Justin Turner. Okay,
just search Justin Turner and it's him jumping up and
down with a pair of fake nuts on. But the
problem is nobody noticed that, and they made him the
fan of the game. And there's no possible way that
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anybody decided, Hey, this will be a fun one, let's do.
Let's do fan of the game on Pride Night, no
less with Justin Turner jumping up and down with fake testicles.
The whole thing was phenomenal, so unintentionally funny and boog
(38:46):
Shambie and Jim Desias literally couldn't speak, They had nothing
to say. They waited. It was really silent and really awkward,
and then they just continued calling the game. So I
would like to defend Justin Turner from the standpoint of, hey, listen,
clubhouse behavior. Probably shouldn't have been a camera on him.
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They probably shouldn't have awarded him Fan of the Game
if he's jumping around with any sort of male purse
between his legs while celebrating a teammates Homer. Yeah, probably
shouldn't have had the camera there. It's why it's the
clubhouse and or locker room for elite for a reason.
There should be a little bit of privacy there. So
I just want to defend Justin Turner. Also give a
(39:30):
shout out to Fox Sports Radio alum Cole Wright, who
is also working at Marquee Sports. He does a phenomenal job.
Cole's fantastic, so give a shout out to him as
well too. A member of the Fox Sports Radio Alumni Association,
I believe Ben Maller calls it, so congratulations to Cole,
he's been doing phenomenal there, and congratulations to whoever decided
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to award Justin Turner the fan of the game and
didn't happen to pan down, you know, just didn't didn't
happen to pan down, And some people were speculating, are
those really his No, that's the joke. So speaking of nuts,
the Cincinnati Bengals might even fall into that category, because
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the Cincinnati Bengals are like, you know what, got a
franchise quarterback, We got all this talent on offense. We've
shown that we've got the ability to go throw for
throw with Patrick Mahomes and actually beat him in the
postseason in the playoffs. We nearly won the Super Bowl
a couple of years ago. Some would argue we probably
(40:37):
should have won the Super Bowl, but you know, we
lost it it so far to the Rams and Aaron
Donald got his ring and Cooper Cup you know who
apparently has shaved his beard now. Cooper Cup is the
MVP of this like all those things that But if
you're the Bengals, you're like, man, listen, we're close, we
got this. And then they're like, huh, how could we
f this up?
Speaker 1 (40:58):
Oh?
Speaker 2 (40:58):
I know, let's get into contract disputes with not only
one defensive player, but two, the latest being Shamar Stewart,
who decided, you know what, I'm out of here. I
don't like the fact that you guys are changing the
language on this deal when last year it wasn't the
same language. I'm not going to sign it. I'm not
signing anything. And so what makes us even more fun
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is that on the Cincinnati Bengals, you have somebody who
knows a thing or two about the entire situation. And
that's somebody would be Bengals center and NFLPA vice president
Ted Karris, who defended both Shamar Stewart and his other
teammate Trey Hendrickson.
Speaker 5 (41:38):
It's not the best case scenario of how the spring
could have gone for our first round pick, but you know,
there is a pretty serious business aspect to our profession,
and you know, he's taking counsel from from his you know, camp,
and you know, I don't The main thing I want
(41:58):
to say is I don't think either of our defensive
ends that there's not any harboring resentment in this locker
room to them, I know, And I really hope that
both camps can figure this out because we have a
you know, we have a really good team. We've had
a super productive spring, and you know, you just don't
want this to carry over into into summer. I think
from a PA perspective, always, we don't want you know,
(42:21):
language and contracts that are gonna be negative to players.
As far as guaranteed money, we're always trying to you know,
max the amount of guarantees that guys get. So you know,
it's a business negotiation, and you know, I just I'm
you know, I feel I feel for Shamar that you know,
he has to kind of this is his first taste
of the league with you know, kind of a lot
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of hate. Hate on the internet, not hate, but since
he Twitter is a mess around, so I, you know,
I hope that he can come and be super productive
and fall and and kind of get everyone back on
his side.
Speaker 2 (42:54):
So that was Ted Karris of the Cincinnati Bengals discussing
the uh, the contract issue, who's there and the offseason
the Bengals are currently going on. And also, you know,
Joe Burrows asked about it. Yeah, it's a distraction. Zach
Taylor's been asked about it. It's just there are and
we were discussing this earlier. There are franchises around the
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NFL that would do anything for the problems of the
Cincinnati Bengals. Anything where if you were to ask a friend,
you'd pull them aside and say, hey, so here is
your problem, quote unquote. You've got a franchise quarterback, a
guy who's got the chance to be a Hall of Famer,
(43:36):
a guy who's been talked about. Troy Aikman has called
him maybe his favorite quarterback of all time. Everybody agrees
Joe Burrow's the guy. You end up with him because
you sucked so bad the year prior. You've also been
able to work out a long term extension with him.
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You've got Jamar Chase, who's one of the best wide
receivers in the air. You've got all of this at
your disposal. You've shown the ability to beat the team
that is the dynasty of your era. You were the
Boogeyman potentially going into the playoffs last year. So all
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of that is yours, and you just get this feeling that, somehow, someway,
the Bengals are gonna screw this up. They've got all
of this potential, all of this opportunity, The window is open,
and they're going to put a board over it. Somehow, Someway,
(44:40):
you just get that impression. You get that vibe, And
if I'm Bengals ownership, if I like, dude, figure out
a way to get Trey Hendrickson in the door and signed,
figure out a way to get Shamar Stewart's contract work
out and go back to the deal that was signed
last year. From a pre it's like, why why get
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in the way of all this? And we've talked about
it on the show before. Some organizations cannot help themselves.
Do you want an NBA comp for you? How about
the New York Knicks who put the nick in Nickel
and dime with the way that they operate. And you
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should have known that this is exactly how the Knicks
were going to operate, based on the way that they
celebrated after getting past the second round. And I was
on record and Knicks fans got upset about it and
got pissy about it because I pointed out the fact
that you know, it is kind of pathetic. This is
supposed to be Madison Square Guard and this is supposed
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to be the Knicks. This is supposed to be New York,
this is market number one, blah blah blah blah blah.
And the Knicks operated like the Sacramento Kings did years
ago when they hung a Summer League title banner up
at the arena. You got past the second round and
people were climbing stuff in the streets, and then two
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wins later you fire your coach. But don't worry, they've
got a plan. If you don't believe me, believe the
Hall of Famer Charles Barkley. He was on NBA TV
and Charles Barkley spoke about this quote unquote plan by
the New York Knicks.
Speaker 7 (46:26):
The Knicks gotta be the stupidest damn people in the world. Like,
you don't fire no good coach like that and don't
have a plan. I mean, tipsait a hell of a
job obbson sum's going on now. But as you don't
have a plan and now the three coaches turn you down,
you gotta have a plan, man.
Speaker 4 (46:48):
And they don't have a plan now. I mean, I
don't know.
Speaker 7 (46:52):
What the hell they're gonna do.
Speaker 2 (46:54):
Nobody does. Nobody does. But it's funny because all these
Knicks fans boys who want to defend the team or like,
oh listen, don't worry about it. They got an idea.
They they know exactly what they're doing. Oh yeah, what's
that now they're gonna they're gonna target this guy and
that guy and with with, with with. They have no
(47:20):
idea what the hell they're doing. They accomplished something they
hadn't done in a quarter century and then decided, now
we gotta make changes. Okay, how's that going? But Dory,
you got your guy. They got their guy. They they
(47:41):
had an idea and they got their guy. Nah. Not really,
And it was supposed to be feel good time for
the Knicks. Remember like this was the brand new Knicks.
Remember James Dolan was nowhere to be found. Like JD
in the straight shot, I think we're doing a cover
sets at some uh some local pub in uh in
in Manhattan somewhere, you know, a couple of blocks like
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they were nowhere to be found. I don't even know
if he's at the games. Nobody talked about the Charles
Oakley stuff. Nobody's even bringing up the fact that, you know,
Tracy Morgan, who's basically Nostra damas Tracy Morgan blue chunks
on the court during a game, which might have been
an indication that, like, hey, guys, I know this seems
cool and all right now, but it's gonna go poorly
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guy just lost his lunch and it looked like he
lost the previous three lunches as well too. But don't worry.
The Knicks are making a run. Man. You had Timothy
Champagne or whatever his name is, show up with one
of the Kardashians. Everybody all, guy, it's a god. The
Knicks are back. The Knicks are back, and then they
(48:46):
fire their head coach that got them to a place
they hadn't been in a quarter century. But but they
got a plan. They got everything's gonna be fine. The
Knicks got this, they got it figured out. And it's
almost as if James Dolan was like, you know what, man,
you guys are doing way too good and I'm nowhere
to be found. I want to put my fingerprints on this.
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I want to make my mark. Okay, how's that going.
It's like the Bengals have a window here, an opportunity,
and somehow, someway you just get the feel and they're
going to screw it up. The Knicks do something they
hadn't done in twenty five years, and somehow, some way
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they're going to screw it up. They can't help themselves.
This is the way they operate and That's why when
organizations get labeled as dysfunctional, or their's skepticism about an
organization from the quote unquote national media, the people locally
get all upset and all hot and bothered about it.
It's like, dude, take a step back and look at
(49:54):
the big picture, and it's going to tell you everything
you need to know.
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Speaker 2 (00:13):
Good morning to you and yours Leaverrington.
Speaker 3 (00:18):
Go Canada. Oh, I mean good morning, Jonas morning. Uh,
good morning I and screw you to.
Speaker 2 (00:30):
Pete Prisco and uh and Brady Quinn Have Pete today?
The Florida Panthers blowhards.
Speaker 4 (00:36):
Well, why can't we have Brady today? Damp glad? We
have others today?
Speaker 2 (00:42):
All right? So we are we are off and running
here on this Friday morning.
Speaker 4 (00:47):
Are we running or are we just off?
Speaker 2 (00:49):
Yeah, listen, we're well, We're not off. We're running. We're
running a gun in here. And you know, it's good
that you can depend on the usual suspects first lines
around the National Football League at this time of year.
I would say that, and the usual suspects would be
the Cincinnati Bengals who just cannot help themselves. Cannot help themselves.
(01:13):
This is par for the course when it comes to
the Cincinnati Bengals. We have chronicled the situation with Shamar Stewart.
He's unhappy with a new method the Bengals are taking
when it comes to being able to avoid certain guarantees
and rookie contracts. He wants it to go back to
the way that they've always done it. They're trying to
(01:33):
do something new, and so Shamar Stewart spoke out about
it earlier this week and then you know, just decided yesterday,
I'm out of here, and he decided to leave mini camp.
In the midst of this contract dispute with the Cincinnati Bengals,
Zach Taylor was asked about it and just kind of well,
you know, didn't seem all that please. You know, he
(01:55):
would have preferred that it was maybe kept a little
more in house whatnot. But also Bengals Center and most importantly,
nfl PA Vice President Ted Kerris defended not only Shamar
Stewart but also Trey Hendrickson amidst his demand for a
new contract with since he let's take a listen.
Speaker 5 (02:15):
It's not the best case scenario of how the Spring
could have gone for our first round pick. But you know,
there is a pretty serious business aspect to our profession.
And you know, he's taken counsel from from his you
know camp, and you know, I don't The main thing
(02:35):
I want to say is I don't think to either
of our defensive ends that there's not any harboring resentment
in this locker room to them.
Speaker 4 (02:42):
I know, and I.
Speaker 5 (02:43):
Really hope that both camps can figure this out because
we have a you know, we have a really good team.
We've had a super productive spring, and you know, you
just don't want this to carry over into into summer.
I think from a PA perspective, always, we don't want
you know, language and contracts that are gonna be negative
to players. As far as guaranteed money, We're always trying
(03:04):
to you know, max the amount of guarantees that guys get,
so you.
Speaker 4 (03:09):
Know, it's a business negotiation.
Speaker 5 (03:10):
And you know, I just I'm you know, I feel
for Shamar that you know, he has to kind of
this is his first taste of the league with you know,
kind of a lot of hate on the internet, not hate,
but since he Twitter is a mess around, so you know,
I hope that he can come and be super productive
in fall and kind of get everyone back on his side.
Speaker 2 (03:32):
Your Cincinnati Bengals just delivering the goods every offseason. Joe
Burrow called her the distraction. They've made it a point
and a priority this offseason to take care of the offense.
You've got two players on defense, one of which was
the sax leader a year ago. That's been dragging on
for quite some time and just can't seem to get
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those defensive deals done for whatever reason. You know, Jermaine
Pratt was a long time bangal. He's gone. He was
looking at to get traded because they wouldn't work on
a new deal with him. He just signed with the Raiders.
It just feels like they've made it very clear what
they're prioritizing this offseason going into next.
Speaker 3 (04:11):
I thought Teed made a great point on the Twitter Twitter, Twitter,
SINCI fans and social media and how that plays a
part in all of this. Whenever a rookie, I'll just
start with rookie. I'll stay with rookie instead of Hendrickson
right this moment. But as far as with a rookie
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who has never played for your team yet has not
been able to establish themselves yet in the community, the
new community that they're in, I wonder how much the
organization takes that into consideration when all of these things
are taking place, because generally speaking, the fans aren't going
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to be forgiving to the player. It's the weirdest phenomenon, Like,
it's not like the fans are like, what is since
he doing da da da, this, that and the other,
and no, you're gonna have a large sector of the
fan base harassing and talking crazy to the player as
(05:19):
if the player doesn't know what he's doing, is that
the player is greedy or the player is something other
and it has a damaging effect. I know, I was
what they said air quotes a holdout. And it's interesting
because what does Shamar Stewart in terms of a contract
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have right now?
Speaker 4 (05:43):
You know what he has right now?
Speaker 3 (05:44):
John nothing? So if you have nothing, you can't be
a holdout. Like think about it. The idea that guys
start to get labeled holdouts. The term is if if
it's being you who's correctly a holdouts, someone who is
working for you and they don't show up to work,
(06:08):
that's holding out. But if I don't have a contract
with you, I don't have a job, so technically you
haven't even officially hired me yet, this is not a holdout.
This is first things first, Like, players get accused of
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a lot of things sometimes, and one of the things
that they can be accused of is not handling their
business properly. It comes up a lot, you know, the
immaturity or the lack of attention to the detail of this,
and it's like, okay, But when you do have athletes
that are paying attention to the details and they are
(06:51):
doing things the right way and they are putting business first,
they're putting a bad way into a bad bag because
of that decision that they're making. Schamar's store and his
team are making a valid, a valid point to why
would you take guarantees out? Look, why would you void
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my guarantees other than me doing something that that to
me is taking away from the franchise and the shield.
Speaker 4 (07:23):
Why else would you?
Speaker 3 (07:24):
Why else would you cancel out any guarantees that you
put in my contract.
Speaker 2 (07:29):
Especially if he's just asking for the same thing you've
always done this year.
Speaker 3 (07:33):
It makes no sense. It makes no sense. It makes
no sense. And now you're you're creating you're creating drama,
You're creating friction. Whether there's hard feelings held after or not.
He's going to be Schamar the rookie. He's going to
be judged by some of these these fans, and some
(07:57):
of them may never even forgive them.
Speaker 4 (07:58):
Ah, he's greedy.
Speaker 3 (08:00):
This that and the other. We don't need those types
of players. Like, what do you mean, what do you
mean you don't need.
Speaker 4 (08:06):
These types of players? What type of player is he?
Speaker 3 (08:08):
The type of player that wants a fear contract, Like
he's gonna get his opportunity to play, but now he's
missing reps, he's missing practices. And these coaches, whether they'll
admit it or not, they're partial towards the guys that
are there. And so now you've created a disconnect possibly
(08:32):
between player and coaches. You've possibly created a disconnect between
player and fans, and you've possibly created friction and a
disconnect between organization and fans.
Speaker 4 (08:46):
It's a lose on all on all fronts.
Speaker 3 (08:50):
And for what is the reasoning behind making this a
sticking point to getting the deal done? It's unbeliev to me.
I don't understand it. And unless the Cincinnati Bengals front
office comes out with clarity on what this represents, I
(09:10):
think it's a problem.
Speaker 4 (09:12):
And it's not the type of problem.
Speaker 3 (09:14):
You need when your team that has the type of
tack that it has and the possibilities that exist, and
you your top draft pick is not around because of
a technicality. It's not a number. It's not really a number,
it's it's a technicality. Don't void out my guarantees if
(09:37):
it's that simple. And not playing that man's contract should
have been done and signed and he should have been
in and not being a storyline that surrounds your team
or the National Football League just seems unwarranted, unnecessary and unneeded.
Speaker 2 (09:55):
And also just from a big picture standpoint of your
the Bengals, and this doesn't even getting into the details
of the contract and all. You have a window here,
and you have an opportunity with a franchise quarter of
a legitimate franchise quarterback that you drafted in his prime
that you've heard glowing reviews from anybody who's watched him.
(10:17):
You've got whether it's Dan Troy Aikman says, he's one
of my favorite quarterbacks of all time. You got your
guy because you sucked so bad that he was sitting
there and you were in the perfect spot to draft him,
and you got the deal done. He's got his extension.
You have this window and this opportunity to do something special.
You went to a Super Bowl and he wasn't even
(10:39):
in his prime yet. He like, you've got a guy
who actually has beaten Patrick Mahomes in a playoff game,
which is rarefied air, and has had success against the
dynasty of his era, and they're like, eh, you know,
Nikol and diming a guy who led the league in
sacks to do something different for a rookie than they've
(11:03):
done every other It just feels like this organization is
potentially going to get in the way of this opportunity
to maybe.
Speaker 4 (11:12):
You're going to get away your own self.
Speaker 2 (11:14):
Blows my mind. There's probably your biggest opponent, asked me
right here, the Bengals having their bye week. They got
the Bengals. They don't get a guy Bengals here. I
just like, I don't. There's there's probably teams around the
NFL that are looking at the Bengals going, what are
you doing? We would love to have your problems, Like, oh,
(11:37):
you kids, you can't seem to figure out how you
can pay. I don't get it. It seems so obvious
to me. And for some reason, the Bengals are like, no, no, no,
we'll just you know, we're still trying to figure this
whole thing out. No, this should be obvious. Whatever it takes,
get the deal done. Like and when when Shamar Stewart
(11:58):
says and talks of about the players in the locker
room that have been supportive of him, and he said that,
you know, a couple of days ago, Like that tells
me there's probably veterans that are like talking to him,
like we discussed when we broke down him making those
comments that are like, man, you do what you need
to do. This is not on you, This is on them,
(12:19):
Like this is on them. It's just it's such a
bad look for the Bengals.
Speaker 3 (12:22):
Man, I just don't feel like this is a heel
you need to put your toes down on, put your
flag in and die on.
Speaker 4 (12:34):
Just not the one and for all of this.
Speaker 3 (12:39):
Now you're saying you're setting a new precedence for how
you handle rookies, which now you already have a slotted
a slotted number in the NFL draft. It's not like
you need to be really negotiating. It's kind of already slotted.
The numbers are the numbers. So get the contract done
(13:03):
and get moving like it just doesn't make very much
sense at all. It's your first round draft pick. Get
the contract done. That used to be a thing. It
used to be a thing back when the NFLPA and
the NFL didn't have the deal the way it's done now.
It used to be a thing, you know, he's asking
(13:26):
for too much money or this language here isn't good
enough for the situation. They got to figure out what
that looks like. Like those were different times because you
were negotiating dollars. And while I'll say, okay, this does
include dollars because obviously, if you can avoid guarantees, have
(13:48):
they released and this is a very important piece.
Speaker 4 (13:50):
Of the puzzle.
Speaker 3 (13:52):
Have they released what guarantees they're fighting to be able
to cancel in the contract? Has the details of that
come out yet?
Speaker 2 (14:01):
So from my understanding based on it, and if you
give me a sec I can pull up the wording
because I think it was the Cincinnati Inquirer who who
wrote about what exactly the hold up is. And from
my understanding, according to the Cincinnati Inquirer, let's see, let
me let me find this exactly. Okay, give me one
(14:23):
sec here. But it's something along the lines of the
injury like injury guarantees that they're trying to be able
to avoid that they haven't done before, something along those lines.
Speaker 3 (14:36):
But it's so basically any any roster or any bonuses
that he would have, any guarantees he would have if
he gets injured. They want those void, those to be
voided out. They don't want they don't want to have
the Deshaun Watson situation. They don't want to have a
guy come in have guarantees but gets injured and isn't playing.
Speaker 4 (14:59):
Is that like what that sounds like?
Speaker 2 (15:01):
Here's the from this is from Adam Schefter on the
clause that is in the contract isn't normal and that's
why Shamar Stewart is objecting the way he is. The Bengals, Uh,
let me find more details on it. But it's just
it's it's an abnormal clause that teams do not normally do,
and the Bengals are now trying to pull off and
(15:24):
do this year that that's I guess that's.
Speaker 3 (15:27):
I will say from the other side of it. From
the other side of it, if they're trying to protect
their interest by having something that you know, protects their
their you know what they have going on, they need
to have the conversation, like they need to explain it
so that the the general public has an understanding of
(15:50):
why this something like this that is considered to be
new and being introduced to the scenario is what they're
trying to do. Somebody, a representative, if you're keeping quiet,
seems shady because the idea of but I've already said
for for as long as I if you know me,
I think publishing and giving public knowledge of professional athletes
(16:15):
contracts and how much they make is absurd and it's ridiculous.
Speaker 4 (16:20):
I really do.
Speaker 3 (16:22):
And I also think that it's absurd that that has
to be an element that a rookie has to to
navigate because it's not.
Speaker 4 (16:31):
It's not on them.
Speaker 2 (16:32):
So here's a here's a little more detail for you
from ESPN. According to a source with knowledge of the negotiations,
the sticking point is language in the contract that could
avoid guaranteed money in future years. For example, if Stewart
were suspended even for an off field reason such as
leading with the crown of the helmet or other similar
penalties that could eliminate future guarantees.
Speaker 3 (16:54):
I mean, I'll say, the game is evolving, and if
you're going to go out there and you're doing things
that are egregious towards your your campaign as a player,
and it's egregious towards you know, the campaign of the team.
If you're out there head hunting and playing in a
(17:15):
way where you're gonna get fined or get suspended or
anything like that, disqualified from from games. I get that.
I get that. That's an extreme. That's an extreme. I mean,
but yeah, I mean, let's be real here, Defenders play defense.
So now you basically you want your defender being paranoid
(17:38):
about if there's a judgment call lift. We've seen plenty
of judgment calls, a questionable you know, ways guys have
been hit and I haven't always agreed with one way
or the other, you know, So, so now you're basically
saying you're trying to introduce language that will govern his
(17:58):
contract and his money based off of something that could
be left to interpretation that happens on the field for
a defender.
Speaker 2 (18:07):
And you've never don And the most part that I
keep looking at is you've never done that before. This
is the first time you've done something to this extent,
and you're picking now to do it. That's his gripe, like,
why now can we just do the one you did
last year or the year before. But for whatever I mean.
Speaker 3 (18:26):
Again, evolution happens, things change you know, I understand that,
I understand things changing and business being handled, But the
one thing that they don't have on their side is
the fact that it's being done outside of the public eye.
It has become public. And so now that it is
(18:50):
a public conversation that's taking place and the details of
it are coming to the forefront, is this a big
enough sticking point for you not to have your rookie
signed and ready to go. And I'll just say this,
at the bare minimum, the sad thing about all of
(19:10):
this is.
Speaker 4 (19:12):
This is business, and that's a reality. Business is business.
Speaker 3 (19:16):
And now college players are going to have to adapt
and adjust and learn what business is all about, and
so are the colleges. They're going to have to adapt
and adjust. But in the league, sometimes the necessary and
that's not even sometimes, it's every time. The necessary evil
that's connected to what takes place is you got to
negotiate a contract, and for better or for worse, if
(19:40):
there is evolution of what a player wants or what
the organization wants, those are things that have to play
out between the negotiators, the lawyers, the agents, and the
people that represent the team. So while we're sitting here
(20:00):
and it is a discussable topic. It still is one
of those topics Jonas where it is a necessary evil.
They're not at training camp yet, and even if they
were at training camp, you get one time to do
your contract the right way. The only contract that matters
is the contract you have right in front of you
(20:21):
at this moment in time. You get one time, no
guarantees that you get another one. So you got to
take your time to do it properly and do it
the right way, and so that you're happy with it
and you're comfortable with it because you're going to have
it for a few years and that could be your
first and only contract that you ever do, so you
better get it right. So it's a necessary evil if
(20:45):
I'm looking at it from the less chaotic, the less
turbulent and confrontational way, it's just a part of it.
Speaker 4 (20:52):
It's just sad that it has.
Speaker 3 (20:53):
To gain the coverage and gain the I guess, the
way it's being handled, the way the way people feel
about it. You hate that that has to happen, because
this is a necessary evil to negotiate getting to the
end of a contract.
Speaker 2 (21:10):
Speaking of necessary evils, I didn't want to point out
here because I think it's important, especially on today.
Speaker 4 (21:17):
It's a football Friday.
Speaker 2 (21:18):
It is a football part Friday Friday. Come on, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 3 (21:23):
Ab shot God Friday, Yay.
Speaker 4 (21:27):
Antonio Brown shot a gun. It's Friday, yay. And now
the cops is.
Speaker 1 (21:32):
Looking for them.
Speaker 4 (21:33):
They looking for they looking for them, They're looking for them.
On Friday, on Friday, on Friday, on Friday.
Speaker 2 (21:40):
Get your dance on, get your dance on, get your
dance on, get your dance on. Dan Dance dam Dance, Dance,
Dance dance.
Speaker 3 (21:48):
Are you the Abe of the week? I said, are
you the a b ab of the week. You know
what I'm talking about. We gotta switch it up what
I'm talking about.
Speaker 4 (21:58):
Gotta switch it up.
Speaker 2 (21:59):
We gotta switch it up.
Speaker 4 (22:00):
Let's do it for Eddie.
Speaker 3 (22:01):
Come on Friday Night of the Football Priday. All right, yeah, ye,
Football Priday.
Speaker 1 (22:10):
Brock Suckle.
Speaker 4 (22:13):
Doing Scot I Confel.
Speaker 1 (22:16):
Be sure to catch live editions of Two Pros and
a Cup of Joe with Brady Quinn, LeVar Errington and
Jonas Knox weekdays at six am Eastern three am Pacific
on Fox Sports Radio and the iHeartRadio app.
Speaker 2 (22:30):
That was a pretty short lived brand new show name
with LeVar and I running things around here with Brady
Quinn out. We came up with Black and Drack, obviously
a play on words, me being Dracula and LeVar being
well Black and Levar's not here. He's got to catch
(22:50):
a flight. So he will be going to State College,
as he mentioned before, and he's going to be doing
some things in State College, PA. So I'll be taking
you again all the way up for the next couple
of hours here toward till the end of the show
here on FSR. But I did notice this, and I
think it's important to point this out. Sometimes you got
to point out the obvious, and I wanted to point
(23:11):
out the obvious for somebody in the NFL because this
is crucial, crucial to this story. So today is Friday
the thirteenth. Now I don't know exactly if Friday the
thirteenth is still a thing. I don't know if that's
something that people look at and go, oh my god,
it's almost a full moon. It's Friday the thirteenth. What
you know, is this an indicator that there's going to
(23:33):
be some sort of a weird event that occurs, Like
I don't even I don't know if that's still a thing.
It's like horoscopes. I used to be into horoscopes at
one point in my life. And then I looked down
at the fine print and it said for entertainment purposes only,
and I realized, oh, that's a waste of time, Like
this is a waste of time to look at this
to determine what my day looks like. And then you realize,
(23:57):
you know, the one for Pisces, and can answer is
the same for Gemini. Just kind of twisted around the
words a little bit and you realize, probably all a
load of crap. But the date is important. The day
June thirteenth is important, and it's important to point out
(24:18):
because June thirteenth is a ways away from the NFL
regular season. We got some time here, we got time.
Yet for some reason, June thirteenth is important to the
discussion because, well, you know, you're trying to find the positives,
You're trying to find something you can feel good about
(24:39):
when it comes to one franchise, and that franchise is
none other than the Dallas Cowboys. Because I saw this
thrown out there on social media earlier this week, and
I'm not trying to air anybody out who's doing the
reporting on this, But I do find it a little bizarre.
(25:02):
There was a tweet that was sent out that said,
the following Cowboys quarterback Dak Prescott went fifteen for nineteen
with four touchdowns during today's practice. What are we doing, dude? Like?
What are we doing? Like really like, like, what are
we doing? Why are we box scoring this? Why are
(25:26):
we going down this road? Why are we having discussions
about what Dak Prescott's statlite is? Unless you're one of
these degenerate flunkies who can't get enough of fantasy football,
so you got to do fantasy training camp football, which
is a whole nether level of degenerate. That's all. That's
like the guy who you know, his kid comes to
him when he's graduating, turns eighteen. He graduates, like Dad,
(25:49):
you know anything he got for me? So I can? Yeah,
I mean I would have loved to, but I played
fantasy training camp football back in the day and I
lost my ass. So I don't know what to tell you.
Your college savings, whatever I had for you, all that's gone.
But here we are June. It's June thirteenth, and we
are box scoring Dak Prescott's fifteen for nineteen with four
(26:12):
touchdowns at Cowboys practice. We're not even in training camp,
we're not even an ox Stard, and we're keeping score
of what Dak Prescott's doing. And it's not just a
Cowboys thing. This happens around the NFL. It's going to
continue to happen. It's a major pet peeve of mine,
but hey, people love the NFL. It's all good, got you.
(26:32):
It's also important to point out that it's June thirteenth,
It's Friday the thirteenth, so you know, with the season
being a ways away, that feels like a key detail
for one of the new arrivals in Dallas, and that
new arrival is George Pickens. But according to Dak Prescott,
anything that you've heard and anything that's been speculated about
(26:55):
when it comes to George Pickens, don't buy it. Yeah.
Speaker 6 (26:58):
I don't think that's why shed ever listen to what
somebody else says about somebody. I think you should judge
everyone for not judge, but find out for yourself who
they are and allow them to reveal them they're their
character to you. The guy, he's been great, he's been
phenomenal as the guy that loves football, loves his teammates.
He's been excited every day that he's been there. He's
been early, So no concerns on the personal matters of
(27:21):
GP and anything about it. Just super excited that he's
on our team. He's he's one of us, and he's
a brother, and she's about continuing to grow and make
sure that we're putting the best out there. And that's
his approach.
Speaker 2 (27:31):
Why do we give it a little time? You know,
why don't we just give it, Give it just a
little bit of time. Please, for the love of Christ,
give it a little bit of time. George Pickens in
Pittsburgh was fined I believe a little over two hundred
thousand dollars for varying degrees of not meeting team standards.
(27:57):
Are this in Pittsburgh. Pittsburgh's got a pretty good track
record of knowing when to turn the page on a
disgruntled player or a disgruntled wide receiver. Pretty good track record.
It seemingly always turns out well for Pittsburgh. It doesn't
always turn out well for the other guy. So pretty
good track record. Kept a lot of things quiet and
(28:18):
decided we're good here. We got to move on from
George Pickens. And that was in Pittsburgh, where they do
a really good job also of keeping things behind closed doors.
You're not gonna hear a whole lot about it. And
that was in Pittsburgh where George Pickens wasn't in a
contract year, so to speak. He's now going to be
(28:42):
in Dallas, which gets the most coverage maybe of any
professional team in sports from a national landscape. It's hard
to find anybody who gets more coverage in the Dallas Cowboys.
He's now in Dallas and he needs to play well
and produce to get that big contract he wants. And
(29:04):
it's June thirteenth, and we're saying, yeah, I don't believe
any of this stuff. You hear, come on, man, like
got you gotta let this thing play out a little bit,
and you gotta let it play out a little bit,
because when it has played out, we've seen the results.
There was a story. I don't know if this is true.
(29:26):
I don't know if this is one hundred percent accurate,
but there was a story that was thrown out there
that George Pickens showed up first of all, the one
that he showed up late for the Christmas game. That's true.
I'd like that, you know, we believe that that's true.
There's also another story that he showed up like twenty
minutes before kickoff. He walks onto the field or he
(29:49):
walks into the building and he's eating a Twizzlers and
he says, my bad, there was traffic. Okay. Now, I'm
more of a red vine red rope guy myself. Twizzlers
pretty overrated. Feels more like, feels a little bit too
(30:09):
to gimmicky. If you ask me, like, that's something you
would get in the you know, it would be at
the bottom of the Halloween bag when you get home.
It's like that. Or you know, the whoppers, the three
pack of whoppers you got from some neighbor who's a
cheap ass who's had him sitting around since their aunt
died four years ago. But the point is he's in Dallas. Now.
You can't escape any of this stuff. It's going to
(30:34):
be a story. Even people that don't have drama fall
into drama in Dallas. You can't escape any of it.
You got former Dallas players that are telling you, yeah,
it's kind of weird. We're trying to work out, trying
to get a lift in trying to hang out in
the building, and they've got tours going on. We feel
(30:57):
like zoo animals. There's people walking around. George Pickens can't
get away with any of this stuff. It's a different
environment altogether. So you've got a lot of evidence here
to suggest that this is gonna go really, really poorly. A.
(31:18):
It's George Pickens. Nothing against the guy. He's phenomenal, he's fantastic,
but a little bit of a wild card. I think
we can say entertaining is hell, but a little bit
of a wild card. See, you've got that. You've also
got the fact that the Pittsburgh Steelers wanted to move on,
and they seem to make pretty good decisions when it
(31:38):
comes to wanting to move on, as we've laid out before.
And you've got the coverage of the Dallas Cowboys. None
of it matters what's happening on June thirteenth at all, whatsoever.
We're gonna get to week four, Week five, Week six,
Ceedee Lamb is still going to be the number one receiver.
He's gonna be the number one target. Jake Ferguson's there.
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You've got guys that have built a rapport with Dak Prescott,
you mean to tell me George Pickens in a contract year,
knowing what's on the line, generations of wealth potentially if
he plays well and plays up to his potential. You
mean to tell me that same George Pickens isn't going
(32:21):
to have an outburst or two, isn't going to have
an issue or too with not getting the ball enough,
Like we really believe that. And Dak Prescott's doing his
job and he's laying it out as well. Listen, look,
I mean, you know anything you hear you can't really believe.
I could tell you my son is the most well
behaved guy in the world. Like he is the best man.
(32:43):
He's the best right when he arrives to the park,
he's the best, excited, energetic, happy, loves being there, great kid.
An hour later, I want to the SWAT team borderline, violent, cranky, upset, hungry, tired, annoyed,
(33:09):
sick of me. Just give it a little bit of time.
It's not really about the arrival, it's about the departure. Okay,
give it a little bit of time with George Pickens
when you're covering the Cowboys, give it a little bit
of time before we start breaking down what Dack's stats
are in training camp and give it a little bit
(33:29):
of time because it is Dallas. Before we start just anointing,
everybody is, hey, it's a drama free team. It's not.
It never has been. And when you add all those
factors in surrounding George Pickens, something tells me there's going
to be a dust up sooner rather than later.
Speaker 1 (33:46):
Be sure to catch live editions of Two Pros and
a Cup of Joe with Brady Quinn, LeVar Errington, and
Jonas Knox weekdays at six am Eastern three am Pacific.
Speaker 2 (33:56):
Those of you that maybe were listening earlier and are
now trying to figure out, Hey, where LeVar go? He
was here the first hour, Well, this is how this works.
They are called random ped test for a reason.
Speaker 4 (34:10):
What do you mean by that?
Speaker 2 (34:12):
At six point fifty five am Eastern time, LaVar Arrington
was administered a random test. At six point fifty six
am Eastern time, LaVar Arrington pissed hot, can't be condoned,
(34:34):
so he will not be with us for the remainder
of the show. I got to make the rules. I
kinda do, but hey is what it is. And as
some people would say, tough balls. And speaking of which,
I would like to take this time to defend somebody
here on the show. I would like to defend somebody.
(34:55):
And for people listening on one of those affiliates known
as the Blowtorch five to seventy LA Sports, you're going
to know this individual very well, very popular figure when
he was out here in Los Angeles, spent many years,
was a champion out here. And that's somebody is Justin Turner.
Justin Turner who is living out maybe the final days
(35:18):
of his major league baseball career at forty years old,
and he is currently a role player with the Chicago Cubs.
He comes in a little bit of a bit of
a platoon situation, but he comes in great locker room guy,
great clubhouse guy. Everybody loves Justin Turner and anybody that's
followed the course of his career, anybody out here in
(35:39):
Los Angeles, you know, still very popular him and his wife,
the things they've done locally, just you cannot find anybody
this is a bad thing about Justin Turner. Everybody loves
Justin Turner. Well, Justin Turner finds himself a little bit
of an awkward predicament that really isn't his fault? Last
night during the Cubs Pirates game on Marquee Sports, and
(36:05):
I know because I was watching it with my son,
who's four years old. We're watching the game last night,
I believe it was intermission of the Stanley Cup Final,
which has been fantastic, and they decide to award something
called the Fan of the Game at Wrigley Field. Normally,
(36:28):
what they do is they'll find a fan in the
crowd and award that fan as fan of the game,
just kind of a little goofy, you know thing marque
Sports does. Instead, what they did is they decided to
award it to a player, and the player they awarded
it to was Justin Turner. The problem is they showed
(36:49):
Justin Turner down in the clubhouse jumping up and down
to celebrate his teammate's home run. That teammate is Seya Suzuki,
and apparently nobody at Mark Key who was working the
camera or the production noticed that Justin Turner, while jumping
up and down, had a pair of fake testicles on
while doing so. And the best part is the guys
(37:17):
call the game Boog Shambie and Jim Deshayes, who are fantastic.
By the way, they're one of the best duo calling
games anywhere. They just went silent. They showed Justin Turner
jumping up and down. He's got a pair of fake
truck nuts on and they don't know what to do.
(37:39):
They literally just went silent. And I would have done
anything to be in the booth to see what was
going on, because I guarantee me, I guarantee they were
laughing their ass off. You had no choice. It was
so awkward for everybody, and I've spotted it in real time.
(38:02):
I'm like, wait, wait what And you can find the
video if you go to social media. Just search Justin Turner. Okay,
just search Justin Turner and it's him jumping up and
down with a pair of fake nuts on. But the
problem is nobody noticed that, and they made him the
fan of the game. And there's no possible way that
(38:25):
anybody decided, Hey, this will be a fun one, let's do.
Let's do fan of the game on Pride Night, no
less with Justin Turner jumping up and down with fake testicles.
The whole thing was phenomenal, so unintentionally funny and boog
(38:46):
Shambie and Jim Desias literally couldn't speak, They had nothing
to say. They waited. It was really silent and really awkward,
and then they just continued calling the game. So I
would like to defend Justin Turner from the standpoint of, hey, listen,
clubhouse behavior. Probably shouldn't have been a camera on him.
(39:07):
They probably shouldn't have awarded him Fan of the Game
if he's jumping around with any sort of male purse
between his legs while celebrating a teammates Homer. Yeah, probably
shouldn't have had the camera there. It's why it's the
clubhouse and or locker room for elite for a reason.
There should be a little bit of privacy there. So
I just want to defend Justin Turner. Also give a
(39:30):
shout out to Fox Sports Radio alum Cole Wright, who
is also working at Marquee Sports. He does a phenomenal job.
Cole's fantastic, so give a shout out to him as
well too. A member of the Fox Sports Radio Alumni Association,
I believe Ben Maller calls it, so congratulations to Cole,
he's been doing phenomenal there, and congratulations to whoever decided
(39:52):
to award Justin Turner the fan of the game and
didn't happen to pan down, you know, just didn't didn't
happen to pan down, And some people were speculating, are
those really his No, that's the joke. So speaking of nuts,
the Cincinnati Bengals might even fall into that category, because
(40:16):
the Cincinnati Bengals are like, you know what, got a
franchise quarterback, We got all this talent on offense. We've
shown that we've got the ability to go throw for
throw with Patrick Mahomes and actually beat him in the
postseason in the playoffs. We nearly won the Super Bowl
a couple of years ago. Some would argue we probably
(40:37):
should have won the Super Bowl, but you know, we
lost it it so far to the Rams and Aaron
Donald got his ring and Cooper Cup you know who
apparently has shaved his beard now. Cooper Cup is the
MVP of this like all those things that But if
you're the Bengals, you're like, man, listen, we're close, we
got this. And then they're like, huh, how could we
f this up?
Speaker 1 (40:58):
Oh?
Speaker 2 (40:58):
I know, let's get into contract disputes with not only
one defensive player, but two, the latest being Shamar Stewart,
who decided, you know what, I'm out of here. I
don't like the fact that you guys are changing the
language on this deal when last year it wasn't the
same language. I'm not going to sign it. I'm not
signing anything. And so what makes us even more fun
(41:21):
is that on the Cincinnati Bengals, you have somebody who
knows a thing or two about the entire situation. And
that's somebody would be Bengals center and NFLPA vice president
Ted Karris, who defended both Shamar Stewart and his other
teammate Trey Hendrickson.
Speaker 5 (41:38):
It's not the best case scenario of how the spring
could have gone for our first round pick, but you know,
there is a pretty serious business aspect to our profession,
and you know, he's taking counsel from from his you know, camp,
and you know, I don't The main thing I want
(41:58):
to say is I don't think either of our defensive
ends that there's not any harboring resentment in this locker
room to them, I know, And I really hope that
both camps can figure this out because we have a
you know, we have a really good team. We've had
a super productive spring, and you know, you just don't
want this to carry over into into summer. I think
from a PA perspective, always, we don't want you know,
(42:21):
language and contracts that are gonna be negative to players.
As far as guaranteed money, we're always trying to you know,
max the amount of guarantees that guys get. So you know,
it's a business negotiation, and you know, I just I'm
you know, I feel I feel for Shamar that you know,
he has to kind of this is his first taste
of the league with you know, kind of a lot
(42:43):
of hate. Hate on the internet, not hate, but since
he Twitter is a mess around, so I, you know,
I hope that he can come and be super productive
and fall and and kind of get everyone back on
his side.
Speaker 2 (42:54):
So that was Ted Karris of the Cincinnati Bengals discussing
the uh, the contract issue, who's there and the offseason
the Bengals are currently going on. And also, you know,
Joe Burrows asked about it. Yeah, it's a distraction. Zach
Taylor's been asked about it. It's just there are and
we were discussing this earlier. There are franchises around the
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NFL that would do anything for the problems of the
Cincinnati Bengals. Anything where if you were to ask a friend,
you'd pull them aside and say, hey, so here is
your problem, quote unquote. You've got a franchise quarterback, a
guy who's got the chance to be a Hall of Famer,
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a guy who's been talked about. Troy Aikman has called
him maybe his favorite quarterback of all time. Everybody agrees
Joe Burrow's the guy. You end up with him because
you sucked so bad the year prior. You've also been
able to work out a long term extension with him.
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You've got Jamar Chase, who's one of the best wide
receivers in the air. You've got all of this at
your disposal. You've shown the ability to beat the team
that is the dynasty of your era. You were the
Boogeyman potentially going into the playoffs last year. So all
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of that is yours, and you just get this feeling that, somehow, someway,
the Bengals are gonna screw this up. They've got all
of this potential, all of this opportunity, The window is open,
and they're going to put a board over it. Somehow, Someway,
(44:40):
you just get that impression. You get that vibe, And
if I'm Bengals ownership, if I like, dude, figure out
a way to get Trey Hendrickson in the door and signed,
figure out a way to get Shamar Stewart's contract work
out and go back to the deal that was signed
last year. From a pre it's like, why why get
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in the way of all this? And we've talked about
it on the show before. Some organizations cannot help themselves.
Do you want an NBA comp for you? How about
the New York Knicks who put the nick in Nickel
and dime with the way that they operate. And you
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should have known that this is exactly how the Knicks
were going to operate, based on the way that they
celebrated after getting past the second round. And I was
on record and Knicks fans got upset about it and
got pissy about it because I pointed out the fact
that you know, it is kind of pathetic. This is
supposed to be Madison Square Guard and this is supposed
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to be the Knicks. This is supposed to be New York,
this is market number one, blah blah blah blah blah.
And the Knicks operated like the Sacramento Kings did years
ago when they hung a Summer League title banner up
at the arena. You got past the second round and
people were climbing stuff in the streets, and then two
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wins later you fire your coach. But don't worry, they've
got a plan. If you don't believe me, believe the
Hall of Famer Charles Barkley. He was on NBA TV
and Charles Barkley spoke about this quote unquote plan by
the New York Knicks.
Speaker 7 (46:26):
The Knicks gotta be the stupidest damn people in the world. Like,
you don't fire no good coach like that and don't
have a plan. I mean, tipsait a hell of a
job obbson sum's going on now. But as you don't
have a plan and now the three coaches turn you down,
you gotta have a plan, man.
Speaker 4 (46:48):
And they don't have a plan now. I mean, I
don't know.
Speaker 7 (46:52):
What the hell they're gonna do.
Speaker 2 (46:54):
Nobody does. Nobody does. But it's funny because all these
Knicks fans boys who want to defend the team or like,
oh listen, don't worry about it. They got an idea.
They they know exactly what they're doing. Oh yeah, what's
that now they're gonna they're gonna target this guy and
that guy and with with, with with. They have no
(47:20):
idea what the hell they're doing. They accomplished something they
hadn't done in a quarter century and then decided, now
we gotta make changes. Okay, how's that going? But Dory,
you got your guy. They got their guy. They they
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had an idea and they got their guy. Nah. Not really,
And it was supposed to be feel good time for
the Knicks. Remember like this was the brand new Knicks.
Remember James Dolan was nowhere to be found. Like JD
in the straight shot, I think we're doing a cover
sets at some uh some local pub in uh in
in Manhattan somewhere, you know, a couple of blocks like
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they were nowhere to be found. I don't even know
if he's at the games. Nobody talked about the Charles
Oakley stuff. Nobody's even bringing up the fact that, you know,
Tracy Morgan, who's basically Nostra damas Tracy Morgan blue chunks
on the court during a game, which might have been
an indication that, like, hey, guys, I know this seems
cool and all right now, but it's gonna go poorly
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guy just lost his lunch and it looked like he
lost the previous three lunches as well too. But don't worry.
The Knicks are making a run. Man. You had Timothy
Champagne or whatever his name is, show up with one
of the Kardashians. Everybody all, guy, it's a god. The
Knicks are back. The Knicks are back, and then they
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fire their head coach that got them to a place
they hadn't been in a quarter century. But but they
got a plan. They got everything's gonna be fine. The
Knicks got this, they got it figured out. And it's
almost as if James Dolan was like, you know what, man,
you guys are doing way too good and I'm nowhere
to be found. I want to put my fingerprints on this.
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I want to make my mark. Okay, how's that going.
It's like the Bengals have a window here, an opportunity,
and somehow, someway you just get the feel and they're
going to screw it up. The Knicks do something they
hadn't done in twenty five years, and somehow, some way
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they're going to screw it up. They can't help themselves.
This is the way they operate and That's why when
organizations get labeled as dysfunctional, or their's skepticism about an
organization from the quote unquote national media, the people locally
get all upset and all hot and bothered about it.
It's like, dude, take a step back and look at
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the big picture, and it's going to tell you everything
you need to know.
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