June 19, 2025 • 50 mins
Thursday on 2 Pros and a Cup of Joe, the new CEO for the Packers wants to see even more from the Matt LaFleur and company before handing out extension. Shedeur Sanders gets busted speeding, but don’t make a big deal out of it. Plus, . Senior NFL Reporter for TheMMQB.com, Albert Breer talks about deals in the works for TJ Watt, Shedeur Sanders getting ticketed, the future of the Packers with a new CEO and more.
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
This is the best of two pros and a couple
Joe with Labar arings and rating Winn and Jonas Knox
on radio.
Speaker 2 (00:13):
All Right, so I just want to ask ask a
question here and I'll lay it out to you. This
is not anything that's immediate. It's not anything that you
look at and go, oh, well, it's got to get
done right now. But it is interesting considering some of
the commentaries, some of the quotes from the people in
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Green Bay and by people in Green Bay. I talk
about the guy who's now going to be running the
show there soon to be Team President ed Policy, who
spoke about his philosophy on contract extensions for head coaches,
and basically, to sum it up, he looked at Matt
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Lafleur and Brian Gudacunz to have two years left on
their deal and said, yeah, you know, we're not quite
ready to give them the contract extension yet. But I
would say not all the time. I'm generally opposed to
guys going into a lame duck situation. Well, if that's
the case, then this is a big year because if
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you don't want anybody going into a lame duck situation,
then what you're saying, is this conversation next year is
a bigger deal because I'd like to get that done
before they go into the final year of their contracts.
And I'm going to ask the question, which I think
maybe people listening in Wisconsin right now are probably kind
of wondering as well too, what else would Matt Lafleur
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and Brian Gudakunz need to do to garner that extension,
because if you ask me, they've been fantastic, especially over
the past few years, and this is not been an
easy transition for them. You walked away from Rogers after
being criticized for the move to go out and draft
at Jordan Love, You've gone to NFC title games, You've
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been to the playoffs. As far as record wise, there's
only three teams who have had a better record since
Matt Lafleor has taken over there in the NFL. That
would be the Ravens, Bills, and Chiefs. All of those
teams are AFC teams. So in the NFC alone, the
Packers have had the best record since Matt laflor got there.
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And yet Ed Policy is sitting there talking about, well,
you know, we'd like to see maybe a little bit
more from them. If what he's saying is true that
I don't want them going into a lame duck situation.
I'm just not ready to give them a contract yet.
Why wouldn't you Why would you even let this be
a conversation next year, Because even if they did have
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a down year for whatever reason, I still think they've
warranted a contract extension. Both of those guys.
Speaker 3 (02:53):
I think it's a valid question, and it's a valid
angle to take on the situation. I think that you're
right and uh and and and looking at it from
the standpoint of they have gotten results, uh with with
being in the positions that they've been in. I think
there are generally specific situations where certain things apply, Like
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you use the term lame duck coach or even lame duck,
you know, GM, I don't think that they're lame ducks
if they don't get the extension. I think that it
becomes more pressure on the person that didn't make that decision,
you know what I mean, Like that you're you're now
talking about you know, this is not an owner ran organization.
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It's owned by the fans, and and so even policy
has people that he has to answer to. I believe
there's a board or whatever it is that you know
he has to answer to. I think this puts more
pressure on the decision makers who who do the contract
extensions or do the new contracts, whatever it is that
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they how they do it. And I think that that
becomes the main conversation. And so while while you'll say, well,
if he's saying he wants to see more, then I
just take it at face value, jonas they want us,
he wants to see more and whatever.
Speaker 4 (04:23):
It could be in context.
Speaker 3 (04:24):
It could be I want to see more as in
just more games being played. It might not just be
I want to see more as in I need to
see them win a Super Bowl. They just might be
I just want to see more before I make the decision,
the final decision. It could be basing the value not
so much am I going to do the contract. It
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could be how much do I want to pay for
the contract contracts that that are involved.
Speaker 2 (04:54):
I mean, they've been to the playoffs every year except
for one under Matt Lafleur, and if say this year
there's an injury to quarterback god forbid, or they you know,
run up with just bad injury luck. Stuff that's outside
of their control and say they have a down year,
and for Matt laflora down year is eight and nine.
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That's what he did a couple of years ago. Now
you go into next season, like, why why would this
even need to be a conversation, because I think then
the question would become, well, why are you giving him
a contract extension? Now? Why didn't you just do it
the previous year? And again, this is not like it's
time sensitive, It's not like, well, you know, they have
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to get it done. It's just interesting to hear him
make the comment that I don't I don't generally like
people going into lame duck situations. I think, you know,
going into that final year, we kind of have an
understanding where the relationship is at. Well, no, you should
have an understanding where the relationship and the work is
at based on the work that they've already done, like
Dave done. They've done a hell of a job taking
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over in a difficult spot with a quarterback change. Part
of like Matt Lafleur has proven his worth that hey,
this isn't a lot of the discussion about Lafleur when
he got the job was well can he do it
without Aaron Rodgers. Okay, like he has I mean, yeah,
have they won a Super Bowl? No, they haven't won
a super Bowl. But if you're grading on that scale, well,
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if you want your contract extension, you're gonna have to
win a super Bowl. There's thirty one dudes at the
end of the year that are like, oh, I guess
I'm not getting a contract extension. It just it feels
it feels like you're setting this up to be a
bigger discussion next year, when you could just squash it
and get it done with now because he's already earned it.
Speaker 3 (06:40):
That just seems like that would be the simple, sensible
way of approaching it. But you just never know the
what and the why for certain things that take place.
It could just be as simple as they want to Wait,
it could be very simple like no hidding, uh, you know,
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hitting agendas or anything like that, no secret operations.
Speaker 4 (07:05):
It just they mean what they say.
Speaker 3 (07:09):
It could be they're trying to set a tone, and
you know, culture is is something that is a really
big deal, you know, in all things that take place.
So I don't know, maybe they're setting a tone for
the players, you know, don't approach us about extensions and
stuff like that. We don't even do it for our
GM and for our head coach. I don't really know
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what the purpose is. I just know you're right. They
continue to get results. They have been considered to be
a competitive team. It didn't end the way that they
would have liked for it to end. It Last year
seemed like there was a bit of a drop off.
But this team this year, with the personnel that they have,
there really should be no reason why they're not right
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in the thick of it coming out of the NFC.
Speaker 4 (07:58):
And I mean for Super Bowl challenge. To get to
the Super Bowl, that's how.
Speaker 3 (08:03):
Good I think this Green Bay Packers team you can
be going into this season. So you know, they have
put together a really, really fine roster and just maybe
they're looking at it like, look at what you have
on this roster, My guy, My guys, you need to
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show that what we got going on here with this personnel,
you can drive this car. Now, what direction do you
go in if you go away from Lafleur after he's
done what he's done. It comes back to my original
point Jonas that I'll lean into is that that puts
more pressure on the decision makers who didn't make the
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move to keep the GM or to keep the head
coach because they were getting positive getting positive results.
Speaker 2 (08:58):
That divisions, in my mind, one of the more interesting
in the NFL, just based on the fact that I
have no idea really what to expect, because I could
see a world where Detroit runs it back because they
are so talented. But then again, you lose both your coordinators.
We know how this league works. Like they had a
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lot of things land in their favor last year, you
can't really expect that to happen two years in a row.
Last year felt like their year. They could be set
up for a down year. Minnesota is putting all their
faith as we laid out earlier this week in JJ McCarthy,
who's in essence a rookie, he's never played before, and
they feel like, yeah, that's why we just said no
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to Aaron Rodgers. That's why we're going this direction, because
it was Jeremy Fowler reported. They've got this three year
super Bowl plan. The Bears have added a bunch of
talent to help Caleb Williams. Ben Johnson's a newcomer there,
and then you've got the Packers and it's almost like
I have you could set any order other than maybe
the Bears winning the division and after that, But you
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could set any order in that division before the year,
and I would buy into and could see those scenarios
play out. In the NFC North, it's just a really
really wild division to try and project going into next season.
Speaker 3 (10:17):
It'll be a fun it'll be a fun division to
watch and to track what direction as Minnesota, you know,
trending in. It's hard, Like you said, it's kind of
hard to pinpoint what you think they'll be. I think
we'll probably find out pretty quickly what type of team
they'll look like. I wonder if we'll be able to
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get an idea of it in preseason. Probably really hard
to do. But it'll be interesting to see how much
they play McCarthy to get him reps, impactful reps before
they get to the regular season. I think what Sam
Darnold did this past season puts a lot of pressure
on JJ McCarthy to come out of the gate swinging big,
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and you know, people are going to want to know
what that looks like. And when you look at the
other teams, people are, like you mentioned, like that, there's
there's some relative unknowns with Chicago and what they're going
to do.
Speaker 4 (11:14):
But a lot of people are excited about.
Speaker 3 (11:16):
The you know, the coaching higher that they made and
what that could mean for the future. But again, you know,
the way Caleb Williams talked about how things were done
and a lack of attention to him knowing what you know,
he needed to do, and you know, the development that
he was was seeking wasn't there this this past season.
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I think that puts a lot of pressure on him,
and it puts a lot of pressure on this coaching
staff because if he doesn't have a good year, which
he didn't have a bad year this year. Just I
just think the expectations are so high that and and
then to see the comp and and what jayde Daniels
did in his rookie year and what you know, obviously
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Stroud did in.
Speaker 4 (12:00):
His year prior to his rookie year.
Speaker 3 (12:03):
I think that people had high expectations for Caleb Williams
to be something more than what he ended up being.
But I don't think that he's not on schedule to
be a superstar franchise quarterback in this league. But it
is still a conversation to be had. So and then
you look at losing all of your coordinators and Detroit
what does that look like? But they get Hutchinson back,
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which is a big get. I think that they're still
poised to have a good year. I think it's going
to be pretty competitive. But as you mentioned, I do
believe that this is a pivotal year for a team
like Green Bay because of the amount of talent that
they have on the team. You know, and that's the
ultimately the reality that Matt Lafleur and goun Kunz's is
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facing going into this season. You have no reason, with
all of the questions surrounding your division to come out
on top of your division.
Speaker 2 (13:01):
You know, what's a And you pointed this out before,
but this it bears repeating because people probably take whatever
the narrative or the optics are and run with that
as opposed to the actual numbers. Kileb Williams didn't have
a bad year. I mean, if you just go back
and look through and look through the numbers, you could
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argue he had a better year than Jordan Love, he
had a better year than Jalen Hurts. Again, these are
just numbers. We're just looking at numbers. But it's funny
how just based on the presentation of the chaos that
was the Bears last year. How people just assume, all
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another number one pick who didn't pan out, or another
high drafted quarterback who didn't pan out. It's like, that's
one to look at and go, all right, well, if
he was able to do that and operate in that
circus tent, what could he do potentially in this one
this year when things are a little bit more buttoned
up and there's actual protection on the offensive line and
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all that. It's just it's funny when you bring that up,
how people look at the storyline as opposed to the
actual numbers and watch game by game to see what
actually was going on last year in Chicago.
Speaker 3 (14:21):
I mean, I just think it still raises the stakes
that he blamed, you know, and he took, Like, make
no mistake about Caleb Williams took a lot of the
blame on his own shoulders. So let's not act as
though he was brushing off the responsibility of taking taking
the weight of why the team didn't do better than
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what it did.
Speaker 4 (14:45):
But he did raise some points that.
Speaker 3 (14:48):
Basically would lean towards the side of why the hell
would you do that when you had that type of
a talent. Why would you allow for him to feel
that way when and he's your number one draft pick
and what people had such high expectations and high hopes
for coming into it. It seems as though you didn't
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like your job very much as a head coach. If
that's how you let things get handled.
Speaker 2 (15:14):
It's the bears. Well maybe that's a simple explanation, which
is crazy.
Speaker 3 (15:20):
It's just crazy to think at the pro level, and
we talk about how hard guys fight to get coaching
jobs and how many worthy prospects are out there. Then
people get into the whole inclusion deal and stuff like that.
There's all kinds of different conversations, but it is so competitive.
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There's only thirty two of those positions out there. So
to think that one of those thirty two, you have
the number one overall draft pick, a former Heisman Trophy winner,
a very very gifted and talented player coming into your organization,
and you all of that on the table in terms
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of how you prepared him, how you trained him, and
what his knowledge level of what it was going to
look like and be like going into these games at
the pro level, it's kind of a hit scratcher.
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Speaker 2 (16:31):
I would like to give a shout out here. There
were some people that were critical of the decision by
Miles Garrett earlier this offseason to not participate with the
team at OTAs after signing that big contract and instead
going to Japan to be with his girlfriend. At the time,
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some people were critical of it. They did not think
that that was showing true leadership. I think that Miles
Garrett is owed an apology. I think there should be
an apology that comes immediately to Miles Garrett from people
that were critical of him, because clearly he is showing leadership.
Since should Or Sanders just got popped for going forty
one miles an hour over the speed limit there in Ohio,
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so clearly the influence.
Speaker 4 (17:15):
Of Miles you have to do.
Speaker 2 (17:17):
Well because Miles Garrett had an issue with that. You know,
he's had an issue with speeding and there's been a
couple of things that have popped up. Clearly he was
able to provide true leadership there in the sense that
should or Sanders is driving around Ohio early Tuesday morning
and the guy's driving one on one in a sixty
I mean, what are we doing here?
Speaker 4 (17:38):
You know what I mean?
Speaker 3 (17:40):
Those who have not speed speeded be the first one
to cast the stone.
Speaker 4 (17:47):
I'm just it's not sped speeded?
Speaker 2 (17:52):
Is it speeded?
Speaker 4 (17:54):
I would think it was be sped.
Speaker 2 (17:55):
Yeah, I thought it was sped those who have not sped. Okay,
you could be right, yeah, whatever could be right clean?
Speaker 4 (18:04):
I like speed it better.
Speaker 2 (18:05):
Yeah, no, I don't.
Speaker 4 (18:06):
We don't have to clean it up.
Speaker 2 (18:07):
All right.
Speaker 3 (18:08):
This talk radio we talk every day on this bad Boy.
We're changing I'm change it.
Speaker 2 (18:14):
Yeah all right. So, so Miles Garrett was caught speeded
it last year and I think maybe the year before.
Speaker 5 (18:23):
Lee.
Speaker 2 (18:23):
Can you can you double check how many times Miles
Garrett's been popped for speeded it in.
Speaker 3 (18:28):
I've seen at least twice, with a high of one
to twenty one hundred miles per hour and sixty five
and twenty twenty also in twenty twenty two.
Speaker 2 (18:36):
Yeah, that's true leadership. And for those of you that
are trying to be critical, Miles Garrett again, you know
the guy in apology? All right, shod Or Sanders hasn't
even taken a real snap with the team yet and
he's already going forty one miles an hour in over
the sixty speed limit there.
Speaker 3 (18:51):
I mean, I feel like it is a word too
bad the way it is a word. I might have
used it improperly, but it is a word. It's proper grammar.
Just so we're clear, now, can we talk about the
bigger issue here.
Speaker 2 (19:06):
Which is what the fact that you said during.
Speaker 3 (19:08):
It's not it's not Miles Garrett being a proper example
of how to drive over the speed limit. It's not
him not being there for mini camp. It's does this
genuinely call for concern with Shador Sanders?
Speaker 2 (19:27):
You said he should you said he should be cut
during the break? Did you not? Did you not know?
Speaker 3 (19:31):
I don't know why you jumping out there like that.
I mean, because people take things and they run with it.
And then there's the quote of the day, so you're
dack that. Please take it back, take that one out.
Speaker 4 (19:42):
Please?
Speaker 3 (19:42):
Did I say anything to you about anything like that
during the break? Jonas knocks, No, sir, you did not, Okay,
thank you, thank you, thank you.
Speaker 4 (19:50):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (19:50):
So do not run with the fact that Jonahs said
LeVar Arrington said during the break, like during our our
real conversations, that I said he should be cut, but
as I did not. In fact, my question becomes the
people that are going to cut him. I wonder have
they ever sped above the speed limit before? You know,
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have they ever gone close to one hundred miles per
hour and a sixty mile per hour zone? Like when
you hear it and it's somebody else, you know, you
have an ability to be able to say, oh, my gosh,
you mean it was sixty miles per hour and they
were going one hundred. You know, Like, let me tell
you something. The way these cars are made these days,
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it's not hard to hit one hundred miles per per
hour the way it feels. I'm just telling you, it's
not hard. The first time, it doesn't feel like you're
out one hundred miles per hour.
Speaker 2 (20:45):
The first time I was ever in a Tesla, the
guy it was in an uber and the guy got
on the freeway and I remember he was on the
freeway on ramp and he was literally in traffic in
a second and a half, like like Tesla's are unbelievable.
Speaker 3 (21:04):
Wick, so and it's not you know, and most people
in California are driving Tesla's, So this isn't a rich
people problem.
Speaker 4 (21:14):
Don't make this like this is like oh this entitled kid.
Speaker 3 (21:18):
He yeah, for some of us, like like me, Jonas,
we drive trucks, they can't even go past forty miles
per hour.
Speaker 4 (21:25):
Past okay, we can't and go past forty miles per hour.
Speaker 3 (21:29):
So so forget forget your door Sanders, Hey, Like, this
isn't about talking about him being cut bro. All this
is is a young man driving his car and got
pulled over for speeding.
Speaker 4 (21:43):
It's as simple as that.
Speaker 2 (21:44):
He was driving a truck. It was not a cyber
truck Tesla, but he was. I believe it was a
Dodge if if my memory serves me correct. So he's
driving a Dodge truck and he got a listen, the
new any newer car can get you to where you
want to go a lot faster than the old ones. Now,
you took a little bit of a pot shot at
me there. Uh, I completely disrespectful. I'm sorry, but also accurate.
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If my truck went over one hundred miles an hour,
it would literally disappear like it would time warp back
to two thousand and six when it was made and go,
let's start over again. This is a bad idea.
Speaker 6 (22:20):
This is not this is you believe magic man, noe,
you doan god have a memory, start having memories of
the truck when it was born.
Speaker 2 (22:31):
God would literally God would literally may wave a magic
wand over my truck and go ho da and it's
back to two thousand. There's no shot by.
Speaker 3 (22:42):
Trucking into one on one, so you skipping around the
truck giving it hugs.
Speaker 2 (22:47):
But one of the one of the details that did
come out in this was that apparently Shudor Sanders he
can pay the two hundred and fifty dollars fine two dollars, okay,
or he could in court. Now from personal experience, I
tried to fight a speeding ticket in court. I showed
up to court because it was way advanced, way after
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the ticket, and I showed up in court, think and
there's no way this CoP's gonna be the cops. Before
before anything started, guy taps me on the shoulder and says, hey,
just wanted to show you the proof of your speeding.
And I literally got up and left, it's a waste
of time. There's no chance I'll go to your driving
school or whatever I gotta do to make sure I
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don't have a point on my insurance record. But there's
no chance in hell I'm gonna win this based on
the fact that that guy showed up, And I'd imagine
this guy will show up to it sure.
Speaker 3 (23:40):
Saying well, it doesn't matter if he fights it or
if he doesn't his personal business, how it impacts his
insurance or anything like that is a whole different conversation
that isn't worth broaching. But in terms of how this
this is a story, because we all know that the
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elephant in the room is he is indeed the last
string quarterback on a four quarterback five quarterbacks on the
roster team.
Speaker 4 (24:14):
That's what made lay, That's what makes this a conversation.
Speaker 3 (24:18):
Is this egregious enough if people want to be honest
about why this is a topic.
Speaker 4 (24:24):
The topic of.
Speaker 3 (24:25):
Concern here is is this bad enough for Shador Sanders
to actually caused himself a job?
Speaker 4 (24:35):
And I would say.
Speaker 3 (24:37):
If you lean on the side of quarterbacks have a
different level of accountability, a different level of responsibility, and
how they conduct themselves and how they do things than
other players.
Speaker 4 (24:54):
It could be perceived.
Speaker 3 (24:56):
As a judgment called that this young man isn't ready
to be a leader, and those you open yourself up
for that type of scrutiny and that type of criticism
when you do things that you know don't pan out
the way that you like. He probably wasn't even thinking
nothing of it. He's driving, He's probably either on his
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Bluetooth his hands free device, talking on the phone. He's
maybe listening to his music. Cats be turning up while
they'd be driving, listening to the music, whatever it may be. Right,
he probably wasn't paying no attention to the fact that
he was speeding, and that very well could be the
conversation that he has with the coaching staff. But I
think that's what the transition to me goes to, is
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what was the conversation between Shador Sanders and the coaches
that he has to talk to.
Speaker 4 (25:48):
Because ultimately the.
Speaker 3 (25:49):
Only reason why this is a story is because of
how much how much attention there has been paid to
what do you do with Shador Sanders?
Speaker 2 (26:00):
Hundred percent?
Speaker 1 (26:00):
Right?
Speaker 4 (26:01):
This does this dictate? God?
Speaker 2 (26:02):
Yeah, I'm just like I would I would imagine and
Jordan Addison waking up behind the wheel outside of lax problem,
that's a problem, okay, Like that's a little bit of
an issue. We need to have a discussion about that.
And then him going to social media afterwards and posting
a bottle of booze like probably not you know that
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that that feels like that's a bit reckless. This could
be a guy and that did to your point, didn't
even realize he was speeding. But it also lends to
the actual old well, hey knew.
Speaker 4 (26:36):
He was speeding.
Speaker 3 (26:37):
Well, he probably knew he was speeding, but pretty much,
hey man, pretty much everybody speed when when you when
you're driving on a highway, which I don't even know
what if he was on a highway, I'm assuming sixty
miles per hour he was on some type of a highway. Bruh,
everybody is generally driving above the speed limit. Like, make
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no mistake about that. Now, now is forty miles per
hour over the speed limit? Egregious, Yes it is. There's
no doubt about it. You're going fast. He knew he
was going fast. Question it, like, there's so many different
determining factors. Was he keeping up with traffic? Were there
other cars going as fast as he was. You know,
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what was the scenario? Was he was he weaving? Was
this reckless driving? Was he weaving in and out of traffic?
I think if it's put in the proper context, then
it allows for you to make a more accurate judgment
of how good or how bad the offense was. But
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again it comes down to the conversations he's going to
have with his coaching stat because I don't. Ultimately, the
question now becomes did he do something that makes it
easier for Cleveland to you know, move.
Speaker 2 (27:56):
On from him?
Speaker 3 (27:57):
And I you know, I saw once again here we Go.
I'm a reference because I do listen to the other shows.
I saw a comment from the one Rob Parker where
he's basically saying they need to release him, they need
to cutting right now.
Speaker 2 (28:11):
Based off of that Rob Robinson.
Speaker 3 (28:15):
I mean, come on, Rob, you call him for this
man's job because he was he was speeding, like, come on, Rob.
Speaker 7 (28:23):
I saw I saw Rob get a parking ticket at
KNBC when we were there, which he shouldn't have gotten,
and he was walking through the parking lot.
Speaker 2 (28:36):
Like like Denzel Washington and training Day, take somebody out.
He looked like the guy in the wire walking through
the parking lot, trying to take somebody out because you
got a parking ticket on accident. If anybody should not
be talking about traffic violations and how this should impact
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your career, it's Rob Parker. I saw it with my
own two we did a TV show Hockey.
Speaker 4 (29:03):
I would loved.
Speaker 2 (29:04):
There's no way he was able to keep a straight
face with that take. There's no way, no finances.
Speaker 3 (29:10):
I just I just think that there's going to be
now he did himself no favors by getting pulled over.
But again, I think when you're in your own space,
you're driving, you're doing what you're doing your daily task.
I mean, we're being honest here. Man, Like the dude
was driving. If he was speeding, he was speeding, he
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got the ticket, pay the fine or challenge it whatever.
I think what makes it complicated is if he were intoxicated,
if he were under the influence, like you mentioned earlier,
That now makes it a conversation, Jonas. But him speeding,
if he was racing, if it came out that he
was street racing somebody, that's a problem, But there doesn't
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seem to be from the reports that I've seen. It's
just a simple he he was speeding, he got pulled over,
he got a ticket. Keep it moving, man, and I mean,
let's keep it moving.
Speaker 2 (30:06):
But this also does point out the fact that this
is a story because it's shah Or Sanders and this
is and people aren't you know, probably are gonna maybe
disagree with this, But there is something to being loud
when you're not the starter. It's not a great place
to be if kes's not loud.
Speaker 4 (30:26):
He got pulled o.
Speaker 2 (30:28):
But it's loud because first of all, the time of year, Okay,
the NBA Finals have gotten less interesting as the series
has gone on, especially the past couple of days, and
the time of year, the name that goes along with it,
and the fact that if this was Dylan Gabriel, probably
not a big story. If this was Kenny Pickett, probably
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not a big story. If it was Joe Flacco, probably
not a big story. He's the loudest and most talked
about name in that room, and so because of it,
he's going to get talked about at nauseum because it's
Shadoor Sanders and the quote unquote brand and ore that
he brings with him. The guy sped a little bit,
he got popped. He wasn't drinking and driving. This wasn't
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a DUI situation. He didn't have some story made up. Remember,
Jordan Addison also had a story made up to where
he was speeding because he was trying to get his
dog to the vet. I got news for you. If
a CoP's behind me and I'm trying to get my
dog to the vet, I'm throwing that thing out the window.
Speaker 3 (31:25):
Okay, sorry, Well, I'm gonna be honest with you. I
got news for you. If my dog is dying and
I can save them and I'm rushing them to the
pet emergency room, that cop is going to have to
meet me there and he can arrest me me at
the place where.
Speaker 4 (31:41):
I'm taking my dog.
Speaker 2 (31:41):
I'm blaming the dog.
Speaker 4 (31:43):
I'm not blaming I'm I'm listen, and it is what
it is. It is what it is, mister Sticks.
Speaker 3 (31:50):
Was if mister Sticks needed me to get him to
the emergency room, You're gonna have to follow me to
the emergency and in fact, you know, you know.
Speaker 2 (31:56):
What I would do. I would actually put the dog
in the driver's seat and I had to hop in
thee so you can take You's so stupid and I'll
just I'll deal with the reprocessions when I get home.
Speaker 4 (32:06):
Okay, Can I put a bow on this? Let me
put a bow on this.
Speaker 3 (32:10):
From my perspective of Shador Sanders, there's there's there's a
few ways to look at it. The first way is
is this is this offense an out for the Cleveland Browns.
Do they leverage this as here's our golden, golden ticket
hand delivered on a platter to us to be able
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to part ways with Shador Sanders. That's that's that's option
number one. Option number two is you show Shador Sanders
that you believe in him, and you know mistakes are made.
You know, you got a ticket, pay your ticket, you know,
try not to get speeding ticket, Shador like, slow it down,
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you know, don't do anything that's going to bring this
type of attention on to you. Uh, getting to get
in the locker room, getting the training room, getting a
meeting room, whatever, UH see you at practice? Is it
is it just as simple as you made a mistake
moving on? Or is this is this the opportunity for
them to say, yep, this is something that we can
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leverage without getting cause it would take something crazy for
them to get out from under cutting Shadoor Sanders. What
is your reasoning for doing it? And this could be
the possible, you know, way that they can leverage something
to let them go.
Speaker 2 (33:33):
You want to know why it's not an out for
the Browns to get away from Shore Sanders, because the
Browns already had an out to get away from Shore Sanders.
It was called the first four rounds of the draft.
Dang they want it in Hey, they allowed too many
highlights to come out. Bro they could not They could
not leverage his draft. They could not leverage his draft
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pick for any further than what they were going to
be able to do when they first drafted him. You know,
after all of the the OTA highlights that came out
and continuous coverage of Shador Sanders, they're not going to
be able to let him go based upon where he
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was drafting because there's too much justification that he can
play at that level from the highlights that have been
released repeatedly of what he's doing in practices. Do you
think if he shows up to court to fight the ticket,
that mel Kiper will also show up for support. Do
you think that will.
Speaker 3 (34:32):
Tell the judge that this is just a man that
there's not enough scrutiny on in turn or there's too
much scrutiny on them, and you guys don't know how
quarterbacks drive trucks, and I don't know.
Speaker 2 (34:43):
Man Melkiper will blame the traffic people and say, well,
you know, the speed limit sign wasn't visible enough for sure,
so that's why you should not have to pay this
two fifty.
Speaker 3 (34:54):
Just really unfortunate. It's just really truly unfortunate that you
got to take something as trivial as getting pulled over
for speeding. And again, the only reason why I'm saying
it because I'm not saying break the law. I mean, hell,
I was speeding this morning. You know, I was speeding.
You know, I think I was doing fifty and a
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thirty five this morning. Like sorry, I was just driving.
You know, I was driving my son's car. It's a
it's a it's a muscle car. It's one of them
chargers or whatever. Not not the charger, what's the bigger
body ones? Not not the charger, but the other one.
Speaker 4 (35:31):
What is that?
Speaker 3 (35:31):
SRTs bro Come on, anyway, I was driving his car
and it's fast, it's a strong car. So we're driving.
I'm driving I'm not purposely or being dismissive of the
speed limit.
Speaker 4 (35:46):
I'm just driving.
Speaker 3 (35:48):
So if there's nothing connected to him speeding, it's just
the speeding ticket. Moving on, there's no reason to have
no hot take Rob on saying this man needs to
be cut immediately because he got cited for speeding ticket.
Speaker 4 (36:03):
Like, get out of here with that og. Y'all had notice.
Speaker 3 (36:08):
I'm taking pop shots by Rob Parker until I get
it out of my system that I'm with you people,
some of these people at Fox Sports Radio, Like I
know I was one of these people. It was my
quote directly. So I'm going at og yeah a few
more times until I get it all out because I'm petty.
Speaker 2 (36:27):
And by the way, Lee, wh aren't you cut this
up and send it over to Robert Guiera and let
him let Rob get a whiff of this.
Speaker 4 (36:33):
I'm petty.
Speaker 1 (36:34):
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Speaker 2 (36:45):
Right now, it is a Thursday tradition on its own.
The one and only Albert Breer joining us here on
FSR Amazon, NFL on Prime Insider, senior NFL reporter, lead
content strategists at the MMQB and you get him on
X at Albert Breer, ab uh, I know it was
rough seeing your guy, Brad Marshan celebrate the Stanley Cup
(37:05):
with another franchise. So I'm glad you're able to make
time for us this morning.
Speaker 5 (37:10):
Oh it's fine, it's fine. Hey, I'm just happy that
that hockey hotbed at Florida got their with Stanley Cup.
Speaker 2 (37:20):
Right, It's like the Marlins winning World Series. It's like,
what are we doing here?
Speaker 4 (37:24):
Yeah?
Speaker 8 (37:24):
It is funny though, it's like I mean, I you know,
I and I look, I can have some fun with
people on it, and I understand there are people in
Florida that are passionate about the Panthers, but like, I mean, like,
what are you talking about here?
Speaker 5 (37:39):
You know, they're sending me pictures of the elbow room,
which is great, Like, you know, you got whatever, maybe
like a thousand people like at a bar. It's not
like two million people in a parade. But you know,
we don't need to argue that and have to see
people to out Florida, you know, and and look like
that team is unbelievable. I mean, I don't know how
much of it you guys watched, but there were points
(38:00):
when that team was completely unstoppable with a real jumper
or not.
Speaker 2 (38:04):
Yeah, they would go they would go on runs, and
it was like Edmonton, even with the best player in
the world, had no there was no chance, yeah right,
just no opportunity. All right. So from everything, like, I've
started to see stuff come out in the last couple
of days that the expectation or the want is that
these Steelers and TJ. Watt can come to some sort
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of a deal before training camp. We're looking at about
a month away from that. Is that a realistic expectation
or is that stuff that's out there?
Speaker 5 (38:34):
Yeah? Sure, I don't see why not. I mean, I
think the market to some degree has been defined. You know,
Max Crosby got a got a deal with the Neil Hunter.
Speaker 4 (38:41):
Got a deal.
Speaker 5 (38:42):
You know. I think you know, we've seen now guys
steeper into their careers getting rewarded, you know, and and
looks like I think TJ has got like a fair
amount of leverage here. This is built for him in
a lot of ways, you know, him and Samenka and
Cam Hayward like going and getting Aaron Rodgers, Like that's
a swing for those guys at the swing for that core,
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and you know, in that way, I think like tg
WAT kind of has them back into a corner a
little bit, you know, like this is not the year
where you fail around with stuff like that. So I
would think that they want to hit the ground running
up here answering all the questions. I'll spring when they
get the training camp, and I would think that they'll
be able to find some sort of middle ground. I
don't know if it'll be before the certain training camp,
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and I think it's a realistic goal. A B.
Speaker 3 (39:29):
Speaking of defensive ends getting paid, Miles Garrett got paid.
Jonas Knox seems to think that he has had a
horrible impact and influence on his teammates, and one in particular,
Shador Sanders, stating that that he just got in trouble
for getting that speeding ticket based off of trying to
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be just like Miles Garrett.
Speaker 4 (39:51):
Do you find this to be accurate information?
Speaker 5 (39:54):
Wow, It's like it's kind of like the would that
be like the kid that your parents didn't want to
get that way? Yeah? Yeah, because like for a little while,
like when I was a kid that was me. I
was a kid that they do. Yeah, no, I I uh,
I like, I like. I think it's an interesting dynamic
(40:15):
down there, for sure, in a lot of different ways.
And I don't know exactly where where they're going with
it next, you know, I would say, like the Shaduur thing,
I think the amount of noises that the amount of
the amount of noises count it's creating on the outside
doesn't match the amount of buzz in the building. I mean,
I think I think Shador has done a nice job
of making progress, but I think he had more ground
(40:36):
to make up than the other rookie quarterback there, Dylan Gabriel.
And that's why Dylan Gabriel got more team wraps in
the spring, you know. And so I know why we're
all focused on it, Like, I'm not blind to that,
and I'm not going to pretend that there's no reason
that we're all making a big deal out of the story,
you know, But I don't like. I think I think,
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you know, Chadur, the best thing for him to do
this whole time has been to carry himself like he's
a fortieth or fiftieth or sixtieth guy in the roster
because right now, that's what he is. And so generally
with guys that are that far down the roster, you
have a little less tolerance for stuff like this. So
it's not a killer, of course, you know, but you know,
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I think it is something you file away. I like,
I don't I don't make that big a deal out
of it. Now, this was like street racing and the
stuff that like, I mean, like the Georgia guys are
getting in trouble. For me, we're talking about something else.
If it turns out to be that, then that might
be something else. You know, it's not what you're looking for,
But I don't think it's the end of the world.
Speaker 2 (41:38):
Albert Brier joining us here on Fox Sports Radio. So
the Jay R Alexander signing in Baltimore, we were talking
about this earlier in the show, and it just it
feels like I'm always willing to give Baltimore the benefit
of the doubt when they make a signing because it
just like Jay R. Alexander. Look, I think the deals
you can max out at six million dollars, it feels
like more of a kick your tie, kick the tie
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deal on a guy who just hasn't been able to
stay healthy. But it just feels like that of all
organizations in the NFL from people you've talked to, does
that feel like the best landing for a player in
Jay R Alexander's position, Yeah.
Speaker 5 (42:15):
It does. I mean, I think I think the process
probably proved the Packers right. The Packers weren't going to
pay him seventeen and a half million dollars this year.
And the reason why it wasn't because of ability. It
was because of availability, you know, and like they know
what he's capable of, but he just couldn't keep himself
on the field, and he you know, he lost ten
(42:38):
games in twenty twenty three, he lost ten games in
twenty twenty four. That's twenty versus fourteen played over the
last two years. And it just got to the point
where they couldn't invest that amount of money, you know,
in that position. So what they wanted to do is
they wanted to bring him back on a deal where
he'd be taking a pay cut and then you have
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a chance to make some of that incentives that were
tied to playtime. Where does he go out and sign
It's exactly the sort of ideal of these signs. Now,
like I will say this once. Sometimes it takes going
through that for a guy to come to grips with
the fact that he's not going to make what he
was hoping to make. And I it does feel to
me a little bit like once, you know, Jai Alexander
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came to grips with the fact that no one was
going to take on the contract because he wasn't going
to be traded like that. The the idea of trading
him and shopping him had kind of proven that out,
like that no one was going to pay him that much.
Otherwise the Packers would have traded him, and he got
himself out onto the market. Then he pivots and he
makes the decision to go to the place of the
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best football situation. And the Ravens have great, great, great
history of guy of taking on guys on their third contracts,
like near or near to the end of their careers.
And so you know, you're talking about over the last
ten years, guys like mark Ingram, guys like Kevin Zeitler,
guy is like Judevian Clowney, you know, Kyle van Noy
(44:03):
is another great example of it. Like they have done
it time and time again, and so it's a great
place from a football respect for obvious reasons because they
win and they played great defense and all that. But
it's also been a great place for older players who
are who are on their third contracts, which is where
j Alexander is now.
Speaker 3 (44:22):
Abey We we found out today that Ed Policy, who
works for our producer Lead the Lap, spoke about the
philosophy Leah.
Speaker 5 (44:34):
I didn't know that is Leah is Leah.
Speaker 3 (44:37):
Leah is an owner. Uh, he's a shareholder. Uh, and
sent us proof of it of him doing it.
Speaker 5 (44:44):
It's good, like over the fireplace like most people in Wisconsin.
Speaker 2 (44:48):
No, he doesn't even have it.
Speaker 7 (44:49):
He doesn't.
Speaker 4 (44:51):
He just has a picture of him doing it owns meeting.
Speaker 5 (44:55):
So you get that fake actuity. You don't even have
the certificate.
Speaker 2 (44:58):
I got the certificate. It's some where like Albert. It's
like when you're when you're nineteen and you go out
without your fake idea. It's like, trust me, I'm twenty one.
It's like, come on, like, well what are we doing here?
Speaker 4 (45:10):
Uh?
Speaker 5 (45:11):
But I actually have talked my way into some places. Uh.
Speaker 3 (45:15):
Fairy well, I'm just I'm just excited for Lee to
have ownership over his favorite in his favorite team. But
at policy came out and he spoke about, you know,
his philosophy on extensions for hey coaches, and it just
led to the conversation of, uh, in our show, what
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what does Lafleur have to do to get an extension?
I mean, don't we think he's done enough at this point?
Speaker 5 (45:46):
Well, I mean he's already on his second contract, I believe, right, Like,
because he's six years, it's gonna be a six years.
So he's on a second contract already. You know, I
think him and Brian Goudakas has done a nice job.
I also understand like where you know, you want to
you know, establish yourself a little bit first. Now I've
(46:08):
said this forever, Like I think Matt laflor like his
coaching record for I mean, for the way he's he's
perceived sometimes you know, it's really really good. You know,
he won thirteen games his first three years in a row.
He was able to transition them out of the Aaron
Rodgers era and into the Jordan Love era and and
did that effectively. And they've you know, they've the last
(46:30):
three years, they've they've improved year over year. So like
I I I think the world of Mattelaflora, and you know,
I think you know his management of so many different
situations there in Green Bays and outstanding. You know. I
also I also know this like that you know, going
into now this will be his seventh year in charge
in Green Bay. He you know, like I having been
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extended already. You know, I can understand where like a
new president comes in and he wants to get the
lay of the land first before he engages in contract negotiations.
So like I get both sides of that one and
doesn't stun me. I don't think it puts either Goody
or Lafleur on any sort of shaky ground there.
Speaker 2 (47:14):
Albert Brera, last one for me. So I know that
you had done a little bit of a preview and
looking at the NFC East and we were talking about
the Giant situation earlier this week, and it feels like
they're in an interesting spot because Brian Dayball and Joe
Shane it's almost like last call, like this is it,
and they were brought back. They drafted Jackson Dart, They've
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got Russell Wilson. You look at their schedule, it's not easy.
So I'm just wondering, could you see them maybe going
to Jackson Dart sooner rather than later, just from the
standpoint that if they can't sell to Mars on wins,
at least being able to sell them on hope for
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next year and development of a young quarter back.
Speaker 5 (48:01):
Yeah. I think it depends on two things, you know. Obviously,
the obvious one is the development Jackson Dart, how ready
he is to play, and you heard varying things on that.
The one thing I do think helps is like that
Brian day Ball does have connections in that Old Miss program,
So he's going to have like a pretty good handle
of what Jackson Dart Cannon can't do based on some
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of the stronger relationships he has with the people there.
You know, Joe Judge was Jackson Dart's quarterbacks coach. Joe
and Brian were together in New England. Charlie Weiss is
actually Brian Table's mentor and his son is the offensive
coordinator at Old Miss, so he'll be able to get
good information on what he can and can't do. So,
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like the development piece of it's important obviously if you're
going to feel comfortable putting him in there. Number two
is just the state of the team and you know, like,
how does that match up with his development? Like if
he's the best quarterback in camp, then we're not then
we're probably talking about something else. But if he isn't, okay,
like if the team is you know, one in four,
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well then it's a lot easier to put Jackson Dart
in there to try to give him a spark. If
they're winning, then that's something else, you know. So I
think there are just some moving parts that complicated a
little bit. And I think a big part of it too,
is like this isn't a team that is, you know,
devoid of proud veteran players that you have a lot
of skins in the wall, and it's like Brian Burns
(49:25):
and keve On Thibodeaux and obviously Dexter Lawrence and Andrew
Thomas and so you know, like as far as just
kind of keeping those guys locked in and engage, you
have to give them the best answer at the quarterback position.
And if they know you're not doing that, if they
know you're doing something to save your job, then you
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risk losing them. So I think it's complicated from that perspective.
The best case scenario, of course, is that Dark develops
really fast, and he is the best answer for you.
And then you know, you play relatively well over the
course of the year, and the mari don't want to
turn everything upside down on the young quarterback, and you
get another year and now you can really prove it
in twenty six. You know, we'll see what happens. But
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you know, I don't think it's just a straight line
thing where it's like you can talk this scheme to
just throw Jackson Dart in there to give the ownership
some hope, because I don't know how you keep the
rest of the team engaged if he's not the best.
Speaker 2 (50:22):
Answer, get him on X at Albert Brier AB. We
always appreciate it. Let's do it again next week, all right.
Speaker 5 (50:28):
Thanks there.
Speaker 2 (50:29):
He is Albert Brier, Amazon, NFL on Prime Insider, senior
NFL reporter, lead content strategist at the MMQB with us
here on Fox Sports Radio.
This is the best of two pros and a couple
Joe with Labar arings and rating Winn and Jonas Knox
on radio.
Speaker 2 (00:13):
All Right, so I just want to ask ask a
question here and I'll lay it out to you. This
is not anything that's immediate. It's not anything that you
look at and go, oh, well, it's got to get
done right now. But it is interesting considering some of
the commentaries, some of the quotes from the people in
(00:35):
Green Bay and by people in Green Bay. I talk
about the guy who's now going to be running the
show there soon to be Team President ed Policy, who
spoke about his philosophy on contract extensions for head coaches,
and basically, to sum it up, he looked at Matt
(00:56):
Lafleur and Brian Gudacunz to have two years left on
their deal and said, yeah, you know, we're not quite
ready to give them the contract extension yet. But I
would say not all the time. I'm generally opposed to
guys going into a lame duck situation. Well, if that's
the case, then this is a big year because if
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you don't want anybody going into a lame duck situation,
then what you're saying, is this conversation next year is
a bigger deal because I'd like to get that done
before they go into the final year of their contracts.
And I'm going to ask the question, which I think
maybe people listening in Wisconsin right now are probably kind
of wondering as well too, what else would Matt Lafleur
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and Brian Gudakunz need to do to garner that extension,
because if you ask me, they've been fantastic, especially over
the past few years, and this is not been an
easy transition for them. You walked away from Rogers after
being criticized for the move to go out and draft
at Jordan Love, You've gone to NFC title games, You've
(02:06):
been to the playoffs. As far as record wise, there's
only three teams who have had a better record since
Matt Lafleor has taken over there in the NFL. That
would be the Ravens, Bills, and Chiefs. All of those
teams are AFC teams. So in the NFC alone, the
Packers have had the best record since Matt laflor got there.
(02:27):
And yet Ed Policy is sitting there talking about, well,
you know, we'd like to see maybe a little bit
more from them. If what he's saying is true that
I don't want them going into a lame duck situation.
I'm just not ready to give them a contract yet.
Why wouldn't you Why would you even let this be
a conversation next year, Because even if they did have
(02:47):
a down year for whatever reason, I still think they've
warranted a contract extension. Both of those guys.
Speaker 3 (02:53):
I think it's a valid question, and it's a valid
angle to take on the situation. I think that you're
right and uh and and and looking at it from
the standpoint of they have gotten results, uh with with
being in the positions that they've been in. I think
there are generally specific situations where certain things apply, Like
(03:18):
you use the term lame duck coach or even lame duck,
you know, GM, I don't think that they're lame ducks
if they don't get the extension. I think that it
becomes more pressure on the person that didn't make that decision,
you know what I mean, Like that you're you're now
talking about you know, this is not an owner ran organization.
(03:43):
It's owned by the fans, and and so even policy
has people that he has to answer to. I believe
there's a board or whatever it is that you know
he has to answer to. I think this puts more
pressure on the decision makers who who do the contract
extensions or do the new contracts, whatever it is that
(04:05):
they how they do it. And I think that that
becomes the main conversation. And so while while you'll say, well,
if he's saying he wants to see more, then I
just take it at face value, jonas they want us,
he wants to see more and whatever.
Speaker 4 (04:23):
It could be in context.
Speaker 3 (04:24):
It could be I want to see more as in
just more games being played. It might not just be
I want to see more as in I need to
see them win a Super Bowl. They just might be
I just want to see more before I make the decision,
the final decision. It could be basing the value not
so much am I going to do the contract. It
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could be how much do I want to pay for
the contract contracts that that are involved.
Speaker 2 (04:54):
I mean, they've been to the playoffs every year except
for one under Matt Lafleur, and if say this year
there's an injury to quarterback god forbid, or they you know,
run up with just bad injury luck. Stuff that's outside
of their control and say they have a down year,
and for Matt laflora down year is eight and nine.
(05:15):
That's what he did a couple of years ago. Now
you go into next season, like, why why would this
even need to be a conversation, because I think then
the question would become, well, why are you giving him
a contract extension? Now? Why didn't you just do it
the previous year? And again, this is not like it's
time sensitive, It's not like, well, you know, they have
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to get it done. It's just interesting to hear him
make the comment that I don't I don't generally like
people going into lame duck situations. I think, you know,
going into that final year, we kind of have an
understanding where the relationship is at. Well, no, you should
have an understanding where the relationship and the work is
at based on the work that they've already done, like
Dave done. They've done a hell of a job taking
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over in a difficult spot with a quarterback change. Part
of like Matt Lafleur has proven his worth that hey,
this isn't a lot of the discussion about Lafleur when
he got the job was well can he do it
without Aaron Rodgers. Okay, like he has I mean, yeah,
have they won a Super Bowl? No, they haven't won
a super Bowl. But if you're grading on that scale, well,
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if you want your contract extension, you're gonna have to
win a super Bowl. There's thirty one dudes at the
end of the year that are like, oh, I guess
I'm not getting a contract extension. It just it feels
it feels like you're setting this up to be a
bigger discussion next year, when you could just squash it
and get it done with now because he's already earned it.
Speaker 3 (06:40):
That just seems like that would be the simple, sensible
way of approaching it. But you just never know the
what and the why for certain things that take place.
It could just be as simple as they want to Wait,
it could be very simple like no hidding, uh, you know,
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hitting agendas or anything like that, no secret operations.
Speaker 4 (07:05):
It just they mean what they say.
Speaker 3 (07:09):
It could be they're trying to set a tone, and
you know, culture is is something that is a really
big deal, you know, in all things that take place.
So I don't know, maybe they're setting a tone for
the players, you know, don't approach us about extensions and
stuff like that. We don't even do it for our
GM and for our head coach. I don't really know
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what the purpose is. I just know you're right. They
continue to get results. They have been considered to be
a competitive team. It didn't end the way that they
would have liked for it to end. It Last year
seemed like there was a bit of a drop off.
But this team this year, with the personnel that they have,
there really should be no reason why they're not right
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in the thick of it coming out of the NFC.
Speaker 4 (07:58):
And I mean for Super Bowl challenge. To get to
the Super Bowl, that's how.
Speaker 3 (08:03):
Good I think this Green Bay Packers team you can
be going into this season. So you know, they have
put together a really, really fine roster and just maybe
they're looking at it like, look at what you have
on this roster, My guy, My guys, you need to
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show that what we got going on here with this personnel,
you can drive this car. Now, what direction do you
go in if you go away from Lafleur after he's
done what he's done. It comes back to my original
point Jonas that I'll lean into is that that puts
more pressure on the decision makers who didn't make the
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move to keep the GM or to keep the head
coach because they were getting positive getting positive results.
Speaker 2 (08:58):
That divisions, in my mind, one of the more interesting
in the NFL, just based on the fact that I
have no idea really what to expect, because I could
see a world where Detroit runs it back because they
are so talented. But then again, you lose both your coordinators.
We know how this league works. Like they had a
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lot of things land in their favor last year, you
can't really expect that to happen two years in a row.
Last year felt like their year. They could be set
up for a down year. Minnesota is putting all their
faith as we laid out earlier this week in JJ McCarthy,
who's in essence a rookie, he's never played before, and
they feel like, yeah, that's why we just said no
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to Aaron Rodgers. That's why we're going this direction, because
it was Jeremy Fowler reported. They've got this three year
super Bowl plan. The Bears have added a bunch of
talent to help Caleb Williams. Ben Johnson's a newcomer there,
and then you've got the Packers and it's almost like
I have you could set any order other than maybe
the Bears winning the division and after that, But you
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could set any order in that division before the year,
and I would buy into and could see those scenarios
play out. In the NFC North, it's just a really
really wild division to try and project going into next season.
Speaker 3 (10:17):
It'll be a fun it'll be a fun division to
watch and to track what direction as Minnesota, you know,
trending in. It's hard, Like you said, it's kind of
hard to pinpoint what you think they'll be. I think
we'll probably find out pretty quickly what type of team
they'll look like. I wonder if we'll be able to
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get an idea of it in preseason. Probably really hard
to do. But it'll be interesting to see how much
they play McCarthy to get him reps, impactful reps before
they get to the regular season. I think what Sam
Darnold did this past season puts a lot of pressure
on JJ McCarthy to come out of the gate swinging big,
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and you know, people are going to want to know
what that looks like. And when you look at the
other teams, people are, like you mentioned, like that, there's
there's some relative unknowns with Chicago and what they're going
to do.
Speaker 4 (11:14):
But a lot of people are excited about.
Speaker 3 (11:16):
The you know, the coaching higher that they made and
what that could mean for the future. But again, you know,
the way Caleb Williams talked about how things were done
and a lack of attention to him knowing what you know,
he needed to do, and you know, the development that
he was was seeking wasn't there this this past season.
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I think that puts a lot of pressure on him,
and it puts a lot of pressure on this coaching
staff because if he doesn't have a good year, which
he didn't have a bad year this year. Just I
just think the expectations are so high that and and
then to see the comp and and what jayde Daniels
did in his rookie year and what you know, obviously
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Stroud did in.
Speaker 4 (12:00):
His year prior to his rookie year.
Speaker 3 (12:03):
I think that people had high expectations for Caleb Williams
to be something more than what he ended up being.
But I don't think that he's not on schedule to
be a superstar franchise quarterback in this league. But it
is still a conversation to be had. So and then
you look at losing all of your coordinators and Detroit
what does that look like? But they get Hutchinson back,
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which is a big get. I think that they're still
poised to have a good year. I think it's going
to be pretty competitive. But as you mentioned, I do
believe that this is a pivotal year for a team
like Green Bay because of the amount of talent that
they have on the team. You know, and that's the
ultimately the reality that Matt Lafleur and goun Kunz's is
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facing going into this season. You have no reason, with
all of the questions surrounding your division to come out
on top of your division.
Speaker 2 (13:01):
You know, what's a And you pointed this out before,
but this it bears repeating because people probably take whatever
the narrative or the optics are and run with that
as opposed to the actual numbers. Kileb Williams didn't have
a bad year. I mean, if you just go back
and look through and look through the numbers, you could
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argue he had a better year than Jordan Love, he
had a better year than Jalen Hurts. Again, these are
just numbers. We're just looking at numbers. But it's funny
how just based on the presentation of the chaos that
was the Bears last year. How people just assume, all
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another number one pick who didn't pan out, or another
high drafted quarterback who didn't pan out. It's like, that's
one to look at and go, all right, well, if
he was able to do that and operate in that
circus tent, what could he do potentially in this one
this year when things are a little bit more buttoned
up and there's actual protection on the offensive line and
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all that. It's just it's funny when you bring that up,
how people look at the storyline as opposed to the
actual numbers and watch game by game to see what
actually was going on last year in Chicago.
Speaker 3 (14:21):
I mean, I just think it still raises the stakes
that he blamed, you know, and he took, Like, make
no mistake about Caleb Williams took a lot of the
blame on his own shoulders. So let's not act as
though he was brushing off the responsibility of taking taking
the weight of why the team didn't do better than
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what it did.
Speaker 4 (14:45):
But he did raise some points that.
Speaker 3 (14:48):
Basically would lean towards the side of why the hell
would you do that when you had that type of
a talent. Why would you allow for him to feel
that way when and he's your number one draft pick
and what people had such high expectations and high hopes
for coming into it. It seems as though you didn't
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like your job very much as a head coach. If
that's how you let things get handled.
Speaker 2 (15:14):
It's the bears. Well maybe that's a simple explanation, which
is crazy.
Speaker 3 (15:20):
It's just crazy to think at the pro level, and
we talk about how hard guys fight to get coaching
jobs and how many worthy prospects are out there. Then
people get into the whole inclusion deal and stuff like that.
There's all kinds of different conversations, but it is so competitive.
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There's only thirty two of those positions out there. So
to think that one of those thirty two, you have
the number one overall draft pick, a former Heisman Trophy winner,
a very very gifted and talented player coming into your organization,
and you all of that on the table in terms
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of how you prepared him, how you trained him, and
what his knowledge level of what it was going to
look like and be like going into these games at
the pro level, it's kind of a hit scratcher.
Speaker 1 (16:16):
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Speaker 2 (16:31):
I would like to give a shout out here. There
were some people that were critical of the decision by
Miles Garrett earlier this offseason to not participate with the
team at OTAs after signing that big contract and instead
going to Japan to be with his girlfriend. At the time,
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some people were critical of it. They did not think
that that was showing true leadership. I think that Miles
Garrett is owed an apology. I think there should be
an apology that comes immediately to Miles Garrett from people
that were critical of him, because clearly he is showing leadership.
Since should Or Sanders just got popped for going forty
one miles an hour over the speed limit there in Ohio,
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so clearly the influence.
Speaker 4 (17:15):
Of Miles you have to do.
Speaker 2 (17:17):
Well because Miles Garrett had an issue with that. You know,
he's had an issue with speeding and there's been a
couple of things that have popped up. Clearly he was
able to provide true leadership there in the sense that
should or Sanders is driving around Ohio early Tuesday morning
and the guy's driving one on one in a sixty
I mean, what are we doing here?
Speaker 4 (17:38):
You know what I mean?
Speaker 3 (17:40):
Those who have not speed speeded be the first one
to cast the stone.
Speaker 4 (17:47):
I'm just it's not sped speeded?
Speaker 2 (17:52):
Is it speeded?
Speaker 4 (17:54):
I would think it was be sped.
Speaker 2 (17:55):
Yeah, I thought it was sped those who have not sped. Okay,
you could be right, yeah, whatever could be right clean?
Speaker 4 (18:04):
I like speed it better.
Speaker 2 (18:05):
Yeah, no, I don't.
Speaker 4 (18:06):
We don't have to clean it up.
Speaker 2 (18:07):
All right.
Speaker 3 (18:08):
This talk radio we talk every day on this bad Boy.
We're changing I'm change it.
Speaker 2 (18:14):
Yeah all right. So, so Miles Garrett was caught speeded
it last year and I think maybe the year before.
Speaker 5 (18:23):
Lee.
Speaker 2 (18:23):
Can you can you double check how many times Miles
Garrett's been popped for speeded it in.
Speaker 3 (18:28):
I've seen at least twice, with a high of one
to twenty one hundred miles per hour and sixty five
and twenty twenty also in twenty twenty two.
Speaker 2 (18:36):
Yeah, that's true leadership. And for those of you that
are trying to be critical, Miles Garrett again, you know
the guy in apology? All right, shod Or Sanders hasn't
even taken a real snap with the team yet and
he's already going forty one miles an hour in over
the sixty speed limit there.
Speaker 3 (18:51):
I mean, I feel like it is a word too
bad the way it is a word. I might have
used it improperly, but it is a word. It's proper grammar.
Just so we're clear, now, can we talk about the
bigger issue here.
Speaker 2 (19:06):
Which is what the fact that you said during.
Speaker 3 (19:08):
It's not it's not Miles Garrett being a proper example
of how to drive over the speed limit. It's not
him not being there for mini camp. It's does this
genuinely call for concern with Shador Sanders?
Speaker 2 (19:27):
You said he should you said he should be cut
during the break? Did you not? Did you not know?
Speaker 3 (19:31):
I don't know why you jumping out there like that.
I mean, because people take things and they run with it.
And then there's the quote of the day, so you're
dack that. Please take it back, take that one out.
Speaker 4 (19:42):
Please?
Speaker 3 (19:42):
Did I say anything to you about anything like that
during the break? Jonas knocks, No, sir, you did not, Okay,
thank you, thank you, thank you.
Speaker 4 (19:50):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (19:50):
So do not run with the fact that Jonahs said
LeVar Arrington said during the break, like during our our
real conversations, that I said he should be cut, but
as I did not. In fact, my question becomes the
people that are going to cut him. I wonder have
they ever sped above the speed limit before? You know,
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have they ever gone close to one hundred miles per
hour and a sixty mile per hour zone? Like when
you hear it and it's somebody else, you know, you
have an ability to be able to say, oh, my gosh,
you mean it was sixty miles per hour and they
were going one hundred. You know, Like, let me tell
you something. The way these cars are made these days,
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it's not hard to hit one hundred miles per per
hour the way it feels. I'm just telling you, it's
not hard. The first time, it doesn't feel like you're
out one hundred miles per hour.
Speaker 2 (20:45):
The first time I was ever in a Tesla, the
guy it was in an uber and the guy got
on the freeway and I remember he was on the
freeway on ramp and he was literally in traffic in
a second and a half, like like Tesla's are unbelievable.
Speaker 3 (21:04):
Wick, so and it's not you know, and most people
in California are driving Tesla's, So this isn't a rich
people problem.
Speaker 4 (21:14):
Don't make this like this is like oh this entitled kid.
Speaker 3 (21:18):
He yeah, for some of us, like like me, Jonas,
we drive trucks, they can't even go past forty miles
per hour.
Speaker 4 (21:25):
Past okay, we can't and go past forty miles per hour.
Speaker 3 (21:29):
So so forget forget your door Sanders, Hey, Like, this
isn't about talking about him being cut bro. All this
is is a young man driving his car and got
pulled over for speeding.
Speaker 4 (21:43):
It's as simple as that.
Speaker 2 (21:44):
He was driving a truck. It was not a cyber
truck Tesla, but he was. I believe it was a
Dodge if if my memory serves me correct. So he's
driving a Dodge truck and he got a listen, the
new any newer car can get you to where you
want to go a lot faster than the old ones. Now,
you took a little bit of a pot shot at
me there. Uh, I completely disrespectful. I'm sorry, but also accurate.
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If my truck went over one hundred miles an hour,
it would literally disappear like it would time warp back
to two thousand and six when it was made and go,
let's start over again. This is a bad idea.
Speaker 6 (22:20):
This is not this is you believe magic man, noe,
you doan god have a memory, start having memories of
the truck when it was born.
Speaker 2 (22:31):
God would literally God would literally may wave a magic
wand over my truck and go ho da and it's
back to two thousand. There's no shot by.
Speaker 3 (22:42):
Trucking into one on one, so you skipping around the
truck giving it hugs.
Speaker 2 (22:47):
But one of the one of the details that did
come out in this was that apparently Shudor Sanders he
can pay the two hundred and fifty dollars fine two dollars, okay,
or he could in court. Now from personal experience, I
tried to fight a speeding ticket in court. I showed
up to court because it was way advanced, way after
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the ticket, and I showed up in court, think and
there's no way this CoP's gonna be the cops. Before
before anything started, guy taps me on the shoulder and says, hey,
just wanted to show you the proof of your speeding.
And I literally got up and left, it's a waste
of time. There's no chance I'll go to your driving
school or whatever I gotta do to make sure I
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don't have a point on my insurance record. But there's
no chance in hell I'm gonna win this based on
the fact that that guy showed up, And I'd imagine
this guy will show up to it sure.
Speaker 3 (23:40):
Saying well, it doesn't matter if he fights it or
if he doesn't his personal business, how it impacts his
insurance or anything like that is a whole different conversation
that isn't worth broaching. But in terms of how this
this is a story, because we all know that the
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elephant in the room is he is indeed the last
string quarterback on a four quarterback five quarterbacks on the
roster team.
Speaker 4 (24:14):
That's what made lay, That's what makes this a conversation.
Speaker 3 (24:18):
Is this egregious enough if people want to be honest
about why this is a topic.
Speaker 4 (24:24):
The topic of.
Speaker 3 (24:25):
Concern here is is this bad enough for Shador Sanders
to actually caused himself a job?
Speaker 4 (24:35):
And I would say.
Speaker 3 (24:37):
If you lean on the side of quarterbacks have a
different level of accountability, a different level of responsibility, and
how they conduct themselves and how they do things than
other players.
Speaker 4 (24:54):
It could be perceived.
Speaker 3 (24:56):
As a judgment called that this young man isn't ready
to be a leader, and those you open yourself up
for that type of scrutiny and that type of criticism
when you do things that you know don't pan out
the way that you like. He probably wasn't even thinking
nothing of it. He's driving, He's probably either on his
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Bluetooth his hands free device, talking on the phone. He's
maybe listening to his music. Cats be turning up while
they'd be driving, listening to the music, whatever it may be. Right,
he probably wasn't paying no attention to the fact that
he was speeding, and that very well could be the
conversation that he has with the coaching staff. But I
think that's what the transition to me goes to, is
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what was the conversation between Shador Sanders and the coaches
that he has to talk to.
Speaker 4 (25:48):
Because ultimately the.
Speaker 3 (25:49):
Only reason why this is a story is because of
how much how much attention there has been paid to
what do you do with Shador Sanders?
Speaker 2 (26:00):
Hundred percent?
Speaker 1 (26:00):
Right?
Speaker 4 (26:01):
This does this dictate? God?
Speaker 2 (26:02):
Yeah, I'm just like I would I would imagine and
Jordan Addison waking up behind the wheel outside of lax problem,
that's a problem, okay, Like that's a little bit of
an issue. We need to have a discussion about that.
And then him going to social media afterwards and posting
a bottle of booze like probably not you know that
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that that feels like that's a bit reckless. This could
be a guy and that did to your point, didn't
even realize he was speeding. But it also lends to
the actual old well, hey knew.
Speaker 4 (26:36):
He was speeding.
Speaker 3 (26:37):
Well, he probably knew he was speeding, but pretty much,
hey man, pretty much everybody speed when when you when
you're driving on a highway, which I don't even know
what if he was on a highway, I'm assuming sixty
miles per hour he was on some type of a highway. Bruh,
everybody is generally driving above the speed limit. Like, make
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no mistake about that. Now, now is forty miles per
hour over the speed limit? Egregious, Yes it is. There's
no doubt about it. You're going fast. He knew he
was going fast. Question it, like, there's so many different
determining factors. Was he keeping up with traffic? Were there
other cars going as fast as he was. You know,
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what was the scenario? Was he was he weaving? Was
this reckless driving? Was he weaving in and out of traffic?
I think if it's put in the proper context, then
it allows for you to make a more accurate judgment
of how good or how bad the offense was. But
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again it comes down to the conversations he's going to
have with his coaching stat because I don't. Ultimately, the
question now becomes did he do something that makes it
easier for Cleveland to you know, move.
Speaker 2 (27:56):
On from him?
Speaker 3 (27:57):
And I you know, I saw once again here we Go.
I'm a reference because I do listen to the other shows.
I saw a comment from the one Rob Parker where
he's basically saying they need to release him, they need
to cutting right now.
Speaker 2 (28:11):
Based off of that Rob Robinson.
Speaker 3 (28:15):
I mean, come on, Rob, you call him for this
man's job because he was he was speeding, like, come on, Rob.
Speaker 7 (28:23):
I saw I saw Rob get a parking ticket at
KNBC when we were there, which he shouldn't have gotten,
and he was walking through the parking lot.
Speaker 2 (28:36):
Like like Denzel Washington and training Day, take somebody out.
He looked like the guy in the wire walking through
the parking lot, trying to take somebody out because you
got a parking ticket on accident. If anybody should not
be talking about traffic violations and how this should impact
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your career, it's Rob Parker. I saw it with my
own two we did a TV show Hockey.
Speaker 4 (29:03):
I would loved.
Speaker 2 (29:04):
There's no way he was able to keep a straight
face with that take. There's no way, no finances.
Speaker 3 (29:10):
I just I just think that there's going to be
now he did himself no favors by getting pulled over.
But again, I think when you're in your own space,
you're driving, you're doing what you're doing your daily task.
I mean, we're being honest here. Man, Like the dude
was driving. If he was speeding, he was speeding, he
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got the ticket, pay the fine or challenge it whatever.
I think what makes it complicated is if he were intoxicated,
if he were under the influence, like you mentioned earlier,
That now makes it a conversation, Jonas. But him speeding,
if he was racing, if it came out that he
was street racing somebody, that's a problem, But there doesn't
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seem to be from the reports that I've seen. It's
just a simple he he was speeding, he got pulled over,
he got a ticket. Keep it moving, man, and I mean,
let's keep it moving.
Speaker 2 (30:06):
But this also does point out the fact that this
is a story because it's shah Or Sanders and this
is and people aren't you know, probably are gonna maybe
disagree with this, But there is something to being loud
when you're not the starter. It's not a great place
to be if kes's not loud.
Speaker 4 (30:26):
He got pulled o.
Speaker 2 (30:28):
But it's loud because first of all, the time of year, Okay,
the NBA Finals have gotten less interesting as the series
has gone on, especially the past couple of days, and
the time of year, the name that goes along with it,
and the fact that if this was Dylan Gabriel, probably
not a big story. If this was Kenny Pickett, probably
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not a big story. If it was Joe Flacco, probably
not a big story. He's the loudest and most talked
about name in that room, and so because of it,
he's going to get talked about at nauseum because it's
Shadoor Sanders and the quote unquote brand and ore that
he brings with him. The guy sped a little bit,
he got popped. He wasn't drinking and driving. This wasn't
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a DUI situation. He didn't have some story made up. Remember,
Jordan Addison also had a story made up to where
he was speeding because he was trying to get his
dog to the vet. I got news for you. If
a CoP's behind me and I'm trying to get my
dog to the vet, I'm throwing that thing out the window.
Speaker 3 (31:25):
Okay, sorry, Well, I'm gonna be honest with you. I
got news for you. If my dog is dying and
I can save them and I'm rushing them to the
pet emergency room, that cop is going to have to
meet me there and he can arrest me me at
the place where.
Speaker 4 (31:41):
I'm taking my dog.
Speaker 2 (31:41):
I'm blaming the dog.
Speaker 4 (31:43):
I'm not blaming I'm I'm listen, and it is what
it is. It is what it is, mister Sticks.
Speaker 3 (31:50):
Was if mister Sticks needed me to get him to
the emergency room, You're gonna have to follow me to
the emergency and in fact, you know, you know.
Speaker 2 (31:56):
What I would do. I would actually put the dog
in the driver's seat and I had to hop in
thee so you can take You's so stupid and I'll
just I'll deal with the reprocessions when I get home.
Speaker 4 (32:06):
Okay, Can I put a bow on this? Let me
put a bow on this.
Speaker 3 (32:10):
From my perspective of Shador Sanders, there's there's there's a
few ways to look at it. The first way is
is this is this offense an out for the Cleveland Browns.
Do they leverage this as here's our golden, golden ticket
hand delivered on a platter to us to be able
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to part ways with Shador Sanders. That's that's that's option
number one. Option number two is you show Shador Sanders
that you believe in him, and you know mistakes are made.
You know, you got a ticket, pay your ticket, you know,
try not to get speeding ticket, Shador like, slow it down,
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you know, don't do anything that's going to bring this
type of attention on to you. Uh, getting to get
in the locker room, getting the training room, getting a
meeting room, whatever, UH see you at practice? Is it
is it just as simple as you made a mistake
moving on? Or is this is this the opportunity for
them to say, yep, this is something that we can
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leverage without getting cause it would take something crazy for
them to get out from under cutting Shadoor Sanders. What
is your reasoning for doing it? And this could be
the possible, you know, way that they can leverage something
to let them go.
Speaker 2 (33:33):
You want to know why it's not an out for
the Browns to get away from Shore Sanders, because the
Browns already had an out to get away from Shore Sanders.
It was called the first four rounds of the draft.
Dang they want it in Hey, they allowed too many
highlights to come out. Bro they could not They could
not leverage his draft. They could not leverage his draft
(33:53):
pick for any further than what they were going to
be able to do when they first drafted him. You know,
after all of the the OTA highlights that came out
and continuous coverage of Shador Sanders, they're not going to
be able to let him go based upon where he
(34:15):
was drafting because there's too much justification that he can
play at that level from the highlights that have been
released repeatedly of what he's doing in practices. Do you
think if he shows up to court to fight the ticket,
that mel Kiper will also show up for support. Do
you think that will.
Speaker 3 (34:32):
Tell the judge that this is just a man that
there's not enough scrutiny on in turn or there's too
much scrutiny on them, and you guys don't know how
quarterbacks drive trucks, and I don't know.
Speaker 2 (34:43):
Man Melkiper will blame the traffic people and say, well,
you know, the speed limit sign wasn't visible enough for sure,
so that's why you should not have to pay this
two fifty.
Speaker 3 (34:54):
Just really unfortunate. It's just really truly unfortunate that you
got to take something as trivial as getting pulled over
for speeding. And again, the only reason why I'm saying
it because I'm not saying break the law. I mean, hell,
I was speeding this morning. You know, I was speeding.
You know, I think I was doing fifty and a
(35:15):
thirty five this morning. Like sorry, I was just driving.
You know, I was driving my son's car. It's a
it's a it's a muscle car. It's one of them
chargers or whatever. Not not the charger, what's the bigger
body ones? Not not the charger, but the other one.
Speaker 4 (35:31):
What is that?
Speaker 3 (35:31):
SRTs bro Come on, anyway, I was driving his car
and it's fast, it's a strong car. So we're driving.
I'm driving I'm not purposely or being dismissive of the
speed limit.
Speaker 4 (35:46):
I'm just driving.
Speaker 3 (35:48):
So if there's nothing connected to him speeding, it's just
the speeding ticket. Moving on, there's no reason to have
no hot take Rob on saying this man needs to
be cut immediately because he got cited for speeding ticket.
Speaker 4 (36:03):
Like, get out of here with that og. Y'all had notice.
Speaker 3 (36:08):
I'm taking pop shots by Rob Parker until I get
it out of my system that I'm with you people,
some of these people at Fox Sports Radio, Like I
know I was one of these people. It was my
quote directly. So I'm going at og yeah a few
more times until I get it all out because I'm petty.
Speaker 2 (36:27):
And by the way, Lee, wh aren't you cut this
up and send it over to Robert Guiera and let
him let Rob get a whiff of this.
Speaker 4 (36:33):
I'm petty.
Speaker 1 (36:34):
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Speaker 2 (36:45):
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The one and only Albert Breer joining us here on
FSR Amazon, NFL on Prime Insider, senior NFL reporter, lead
content strategists at the MMQB and you get him on
X at Albert Breer, ab uh, I know it was
rough seeing your guy, Brad Marshan celebrate the Stanley Cup
(37:05):
with another franchise. So I'm glad you're able to make
time for us this morning.
Speaker 5 (37:10):
Oh it's fine, it's fine. Hey, I'm just happy that
that hockey hotbed at Florida got their with Stanley Cup.
Speaker 2 (37:20):
Right, It's like the Marlins winning World Series. It's like,
what are we doing here?
Speaker 4 (37:24):
Yeah?
Speaker 8 (37:24):
It is funny though, it's like I mean, I you know,
I and I look, I can have some fun with
people on it, and I understand there are people in
Florida that are passionate about the Panthers, but like, I mean, like,
what are you talking about here?
Speaker 5 (37:39):
You know, they're sending me pictures of the elbow room,
which is great, Like, you know, you got whatever, maybe
like a thousand people like at a bar. It's not
like two million people in a parade. But you know,
we don't need to argue that and have to see
people to out Florida, you know, and and look like
that team is unbelievable. I mean, I don't know how
much of it you guys watched, but there were points
(38:00):
when that team was completely unstoppable with a real jumper
or not.
Speaker 2 (38:04):
Yeah, they would go they would go on runs, and
it was like Edmonton, even with the best player in
the world, had no there was no chance, yeah right,
just no opportunity. All right. So from everything, like, I've
started to see stuff come out in the last couple
of days that the expectation or the want is that
these Steelers and TJ. Watt can come to some sort
(38:25):
of a deal before training camp. We're looking at about
a month away from that. Is that a realistic expectation
or is that stuff that's out there?
Speaker 5 (38:34):
Yeah? Sure, I don't see why not. I mean, I
think the market to some degree has been defined. You know,
Max Crosby got a got a deal with the Neil Hunter.
Speaker 4 (38:41):
Got a deal.
Speaker 5 (38:42):
You know. I think you know, we've seen now guys
steeper into their careers getting rewarded, you know, and and
looks like I think TJ has got like a fair
amount of leverage here. This is built for him in
a lot of ways, you know, him and Samenka and
Cam Hayward like going and getting Aaron Rodgers, Like that's
a swing for those guys at the swing for that core,
(39:05):
and you know, in that way, I think like tg
WAT kind of has them back into a corner a
little bit, you know, like this is not the year
where you fail around with stuff like that. So I
would think that they want to hit the ground running
up here answering all the questions. I'll spring when they
get the training camp, and I would think that they'll
be able to find some sort of middle ground. I
don't know if it'll be before the certain training camp,
(39:25):
and I think it's a realistic goal. A B.
Speaker 3 (39:29):
Speaking of defensive ends getting paid, Miles Garrett got paid.
Jonas Knox seems to think that he has had a
horrible impact and influence on his teammates, and one in particular,
Shador Sanders, stating that that he just got in trouble
for getting that speeding ticket based off of trying to
(39:49):
be just like Miles Garrett.
Speaker 4 (39:51):
Do you find this to be accurate information?
Speaker 5 (39:54):
Wow, It's like it's kind of like the would that
be like the kid that your parents didn't want to
get that way? Yeah? Yeah, because like for a little while,
like when I was a kid that was me. I
was a kid that they do. Yeah, no, I I uh,
I like, I like. I think it's an interesting dynamic
(40:15):
down there, for sure, in a lot of different ways.
And I don't know exactly where where they're going with
it next, you know, I would say, like the Shaduur thing,
I think the amount of noises that the amount of
the amount of noises count it's creating on the outside
doesn't match the amount of buzz in the building. I mean,
I think I think Shador has done a nice job
of making progress, but I think he had more ground
(40:36):
to make up than the other rookie quarterback there, Dylan Gabriel.
And that's why Dylan Gabriel got more team wraps in
the spring, you know. And so I know why we're
all focused on it, Like, I'm not blind to that,
and I'm not going to pretend that there's no reason
that we're all making a big deal out of the story,
you know, But I don't like. I think I think,
(40:57):
you know, Chadur, the best thing for him to do
this whole time has been to carry himself like he's
a fortieth or fiftieth or sixtieth guy in the roster
because right now, that's what he is. And so generally
with guys that are that far down the roster, you
have a little less tolerance for stuff like this. So
it's not a killer, of course, you know, but you know,
(41:19):
I think it is something you file away. I like,
I don't I don't make that big a deal out
of it. Now, this was like street racing and the
stuff that like, I mean, like the Georgia guys are
getting in trouble. For me, we're talking about something else.
If it turns out to be that, then that might
be something else. You know, it's not what you're looking for,
But I don't think it's the end of the world.
Speaker 2 (41:38):
Albert Brier joining us here on Fox Sports Radio. So
the Jay R Alexander signing in Baltimore, we were talking
about this earlier in the show, and it just it
feels like I'm always willing to give Baltimore the benefit
of the doubt when they make a signing because it
just like Jay R. Alexander. Look, I think the deals
you can max out at six million dollars, it feels
like more of a kick your tie, kick the tie
(42:00):
deal on a guy who just hasn't been able to
stay healthy. But it just feels like that of all
organizations in the NFL from people you've talked to, does
that feel like the best landing for a player in
Jay R Alexander's position, Yeah.
Speaker 5 (42:15):
It does. I mean, I think I think the process
probably proved the Packers right. The Packers weren't going to
pay him seventeen and a half million dollars this year.
And the reason why it wasn't because of ability. It
was because of availability, you know, and like they know
what he's capable of, but he just couldn't keep himself
on the field, and he you know, he lost ten
(42:38):
games in twenty twenty three, he lost ten games in
twenty twenty four. That's twenty versus fourteen played over the
last two years. And it just got to the point
where they couldn't invest that amount of money, you know,
in that position. So what they wanted to do is
they wanted to bring him back on a deal where
he'd be taking a pay cut and then you have
(42:58):
a chance to make some of that incentives that were
tied to playtime. Where does he go out and sign
It's exactly the sort of ideal of these signs. Now,
like I will say this once. Sometimes it takes going
through that for a guy to come to grips with
the fact that he's not going to make what he
was hoping to make. And I it does feel to
me a little bit like once, you know, Jai Alexander
(43:19):
came to grips with the fact that no one was
going to take on the contract because he wasn't going
to be traded like that. The the idea of trading
him and shopping him had kind of proven that out,
like that no one was going to pay him that much.
Otherwise the Packers would have traded him, and he got
himself out onto the market. Then he pivots and he
makes the decision to go to the place of the
(43:40):
best football situation. And the Ravens have great, great, great
history of guy of taking on guys on their third contracts,
like near or near to the end of their careers.
And so you know, you're talking about over the last
ten years, guys like mark Ingram, guys like Kevin Zeitler,
guy is like Judevian Clowney, you know, Kyle van Noy
(44:03):
is another great example of it. Like they have done
it time and time again, and so it's a great
place from a football respect for obvious reasons because they
win and they played great defense and all that. But
it's also been a great place for older players who
are who are on their third contracts, which is where
j Alexander is now.
Speaker 3 (44:22):
Abey We we found out today that Ed Policy, who
works for our producer Lead the Lap, spoke about the
philosophy Leah.
Speaker 5 (44:34):
I didn't know that is Leah is Leah.
Speaker 3 (44:37):
Leah is an owner. Uh, he's a shareholder. Uh, and
sent us proof of it of him doing it.
Speaker 5 (44:44):
It's good, like over the fireplace like most people in Wisconsin.
Speaker 2 (44:48):
No, he doesn't even have it.
Speaker 7 (44:49):
He doesn't.
Speaker 4 (44:51):
He just has a picture of him doing it owns meeting.
Speaker 5 (44:55):
So you get that fake actuity. You don't even have
the certificate.
Speaker 2 (44:58):
I got the certificate. It's some where like Albert. It's
like when you're when you're nineteen and you go out
without your fake idea. It's like, trust me, I'm twenty one.
It's like, come on, like, well what are we doing here?
Speaker 4 (45:10):
Uh?
Speaker 5 (45:11):
But I actually have talked my way into some places. Uh.
Speaker 3 (45:15):
Fairy well, I'm just I'm just excited for Lee to
have ownership over his favorite in his favorite team. But
at policy came out and he spoke about, you know,
his philosophy on extensions for hey coaches, and it just
led to the conversation of, uh, in our show, what
(45:37):
what does Lafleur have to do to get an extension?
I mean, don't we think he's done enough at this point?
Speaker 5 (45:46):
Well, I mean he's already on his second contract, I believe, right, Like,
because he's six years, it's gonna be a six years.
So he's on a second contract already. You know, I
think him and Brian Goudakas has done a nice job.
I also understand like where you know, you want to
you know, establish yourself a little bit first. Now I've
(46:08):
said this forever, Like I think Matt laflor like his
coaching record for I mean, for the way he's he's
perceived sometimes you know, it's really really good. You know,
he won thirteen games his first three years in a row.
He was able to transition them out of the Aaron
Rodgers era and into the Jordan Love era and and
did that effectively. And they've you know, they've the last
(46:30):
three years, they've they've improved year over year. So like
I I I think the world of Mattelaflora, and you know,
I think you know his management of so many different
situations there in Green Bays and outstanding. You know. I
also I also know this like that you know, going
into now this will be his seventh year in charge
in Green Bay. He you know, like I having been
(46:54):
extended already. You know, I can understand where like a
new president comes in and he wants to get the
lay of the land first before he engages in contract negotiations.
So like I get both sides of that one and
doesn't stun me. I don't think it puts either Goody
or Lafleur on any sort of shaky ground there.
Speaker 2 (47:14):
Albert Brera, last one for me. So I know that
you had done a little bit of a preview and
looking at the NFC East and we were talking about
the Giant situation earlier this week, and it feels like
they're in an interesting spot because Brian Dayball and Joe
Shane it's almost like last call, like this is it,
and they were brought back. They drafted Jackson Dart, They've
(47:37):
got Russell Wilson. You look at their schedule, it's not easy.
So I'm just wondering, could you see them maybe going
to Jackson Dart sooner rather than later, just from the
standpoint that if they can't sell to Mars on wins,
at least being able to sell them on hope for
(47:57):
next year and development of a young quarter back.
Speaker 5 (48:01):
Yeah. I think it depends on two things, you know. Obviously,
the obvious one is the development Jackson Dart, how ready
he is to play, and you heard varying things on that.
The one thing I do think helps is like that
Brian day Ball does have connections in that Old Miss program,
So he's going to have like a pretty good handle
of what Jackson Dart Cannon can't do based on some
(48:21):
of the stronger relationships he has with the people there.
You know, Joe Judge was Jackson Dart's quarterbacks coach. Joe
and Brian were together in New England. Charlie Weiss is
actually Brian Table's mentor and his son is the offensive
coordinator at Old Miss, so he'll be able to get
good information on what he can and can't do. So,
(48:41):
like the development piece of it's important obviously if you're
going to feel comfortable putting him in there. Number two
is just the state of the team and you know, like,
how does that match up with his development? Like if
he's the best quarterback in camp, then we're not then
we're probably talking about something else. But if he isn't, okay,
like if the team is you know, one in four,
(49:04):
well then it's a lot easier to put Jackson Dart
in there to try to give him a spark. If
they're winning, then that's something else, you know. So I
think there are just some moving parts that complicated a
little bit. And I think a big part of it too,
is like this isn't a team that is, you know,
devoid of proud veteran players that you have a lot
of skins in the wall, and it's like Brian Burns
(49:25):
and keve On Thibodeaux and obviously Dexter Lawrence and Andrew
Thomas and so you know, like as far as just
kind of keeping those guys locked in and engage, you
have to give them the best answer at the quarterback position.
And if they know you're not doing that, if they
know you're doing something to save your job, then you
(49:46):
risk losing them. So I think it's complicated from that perspective.
The best case scenario, of course, is that Dark develops
really fast, and he is the best answer for you.
And then you know, you play relatively well over the
course of the year, and the mari don't want to
turn everything upside down on the young quarterback, and you
get another year and now you can really prove it
in twenty six. You know, we'll see what happens. But
(50:09):
you know, I don't think it's just a straight line
thing where it's like you can talk this scheme to
just throw Jackson Dart in there to give the ownership
some hope, because I don't know how you keep the
rest of the team engaged if he's not the best.
Speaker 2 (50:22):
Answer, get him on X at Albert Brier AB. We
always appreciate it. Let's do it again next week, all right.
Speaker 5 (50:28):
Thanks there.
Speaker 2 (50:29):
He is Albert Brier, Amazon, NFL on Prime Insider, senior
NFL reporter, lead content strategist at the MMQB with us
here on Fox Sports Radio.
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