July 7, 2025 • 35 mins
Brian Noe & Geoff Schwartz are in for the guys and talk about the ongoing investigations into athletes betting on sports in both MLB and the NBA and why the leagues shouldn't be considered hypocrites, if the Chiefs have begun a Super Bowl "drought", Bronny James showing promise in the Summer League, and more!
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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Speaker 2 (00:13):
There are a couple of investigations going on in MLB
and the NBA. So there is an MLB investigation into
Cleveland Guardians pitcher Louise or Tez all right, there were
some there's some shady betting activity, and so they're looking
into a couple of pitches. You could bet on the
(00:36):
first pitch of an inning, will it be a ball?
And so there was some suspicious betting activity with a
couple of these instances, and he's just bouncing these these pitches.
So it's like, all right, they're investigating that. There's also
a federal investigation into NBA player Malik Beasley. There is
(00:57):
some suspicious betting activity. They're looking into it. Was he
providing information that he shouldn't have been. Was he trying to,
I don't know, cover the spread or do some suspicious
things with its prop bets.
Speaker 3 (01:11):
So they're investigating these things. And when it.
Speaker 2 (01:15):
Comes to this, I'm sure you've heard it. I've heard
it many many times. You'll hear people say these leagues
are so hypocritical, and I want to yell with a megaphone, no,
they're not. Like they have partnerships with sports betting companies
and then they punish players for betting on sports. That
might seem hypocritical. It's not hypocritical. Like just because the NFL, NBA, MLB,
(01:41):
whatever it happens to be, because they have partnerships with
sports books, that doesn't mean that the players can just
bet on any sport they want, including the sports that
they play. There are still rules here, So to act
like that's hypocritical, it doesn't make sense to me. You
don't think the same way when it comes to alcohol companies, right,
Like there are alcohol partnerships between leagues and those companies.
(02:05):
That doesn't mean that the players can just drive drunk
and get away with it. It doesn't mean because I
don't know the NBA has a partnership with michelob Ultra
or whatever it happens to be, that a power forward
can just shot gun beers and team meetings. It's like,
you can't do anything to maam. You got this partnership over,
you still have rules. It's not hypocritical to still enforce
(02:27):
the rules that you have even though you have those partnerships.
Speaker 4 (02:31):
So the alcohol one is the one I always refer
back to when it comes to this discussion, right, because
you know, if a player drives drunk, which is obviously
they should never do, right, and there's an unfortunate accident,
or they get arrested or there's a dui, you know,
no one, everyone always says, well, the player's responsibility right
(02:51):
to make sure they get home safely. They set up
a car ride for the you know, car service for themselves,
they uber. But then when a player gets caught gambling,
it's the gambling company's responsibility for them to No, it's
not right. It's you're an adult. There are rules set
in place. You have to follow the rules. Drinking and
driving is illegal. Because the NFL is in bed with
(03:14):
or has deals with uh, you know, beer companies, doesn't
mean you're allowed to do that, right. It doesn't mean
that there's undue influence on players to drink. I always
see when there's you know, the Ortez report came out.
You know, there's always be replies on social media saying
like brought to you by Fandel, brought you by DraftKings,
(03:36):
And I'm like, well, when there's a dui that say,
brought to you by bud Light. No, no fan says that, Right,
it's the player responsibility. I'm like, it's the same thing here,
it's the it's the now you you can say all
these things are true about these two stories, right, they're
different for why the player we think was gambling, but
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that the legal sports wagering has made it easier and
more readily available player props. Right for players that they're
playing in a game, to wager on them or against them,
that was not available, And bro, I'm not I'm sure
you were wagering before legal sports wagering became allowed. You know,
(04:16):
those websites very rarely offered a big menu of player props,
and they might have a starting pitcher player prop, or
they might have a you know, Lebron James special. But
finding something on Ortiz every you know, first pitch of
thirty was not available, right, Finding player props on Malik
Beasley was probably not available every night. Okay, now they're
(04:37):
more available. Okay, that's true. So those markets are able
to be taking advantage of if you, if you would
like to, and so the players would not be doing
these things if it wasn't available to them, but also
because it's available, there are checks and bounces put in place.
We talked yesterday on our Sunday show with With with
(04:57):
Ben MGM's leading trader, right, and we asked him this question.
He goes, yeah, look, I see every wager that comes in.
I can tell if there's an abnormal wager immediately and
I go through the process of alerting everyone about the
wager and let's investigate the wager. So you know those
are both, you know they go hand in hand. Right,
We have local sports wager and we also have checks
and bounces put in place for these instances. And I
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thought about Ortiz yesterday, right, So they wager on two
first pitches in two different games of an inning. I
found it yesterday a market on one of the sports
books for the first pitch of an inning. And I
was watching the Indian, the Guardians and Tigers player. I
was watching a Scooball pitch yesterday. First pitch of the game.
Brian right down the middle ball called the ball clearly
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a strike, clearly a strike like Scoobol was like this
Gland turn to bunt And I was like, if you
had first I mean, first pitch strike was probably laying
one point fifty, right, I mean Scoobl's pitching, and I
can imagine the you're of someone who bet on this market,
but it's also a very small market, like you're just
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not gonna get this market and put that a lot
of money. So the artist thing is fact be the
same thing. Seems like he was in a lot of
debt and needed the money for to get out of debts.
The artist thing, I don't I don't get the purpose
of it because you're not making a lot of money
betting on the first pitch of an inning. So that one,
(06:27):
I'm very curious to see what the investigation fishing. And lastly,
the reason why sports leagues are so harsh on punishing
people that gamble on their sport, they're way it's way
more harsh than anyone that's committed you know, domestic violence,
right a dui. It's more because and you don't want
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to watch a baseball game where tons of baseball on
today and think to yourself, these players are not playing
for the competition of the game. They're playing because they're
trying to throw an in or throw or throw in
a bat or miss a shot or football is almost
impossible to fix it, but like drop a pass, you know,
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like you want everyone to watch the sport, knowing the
players are in it for the competition of the game,
and so that's why they're so harsh on it. If
e Otis will be we'll get a lifetime ban if
they find out he was part of this, one hundred percent,
and he will deserve that. Just don't do it. Like,
don't do it. There's no there's no outcome that ends
with you being profitable as a player participating in gambling.
Speaker 2 (07:38):
Well, I would hope there have been enough stories and
enough investigations and enough punishments, you know, like John Say
Porter is banned for life, and now we have another
investigation with Malik Beasley. We'll see what happens with Luiz Ortiz.
But I would hope that professional athletes, now Jeff would
look at this.
Speaker 3 (07:58):
And it really.
Speaker 2 (08:00):
Like, if I go down this road, I am literally
gambling with my career here, you know, because a lot
of these guys, I'm sure if Malik Beasley did anything
improper or Luise Ortiz did anything improper, and I don't
know that for.
Speaker 3 (08:14):
Sure, let's just say they did.
Speaker 2 (08:16):
I'm sure they went about it thinking I'm not gonna
get caught. You're thinking like that, like who's gonna find
this out? You know, But you really have to think about,
I'm gambling with my career here. They're monitoring this stuff
so closely that if anything pops up and it raises
a red flag, they're gonna start sniffing around. They're gonna
start investigating, and if they can connect dots or somebody
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talks or what have you, my career could be over.
Speaker 3 (08:42):
You have to look at it like that. You are
literally gambling with your career.
Speaker 2 (08:46):
If you're trying to doctor your props or you're trying
to bounce a pitch and cash in on that ball,
first pitch on the top of the third, like, you
gotta think you're gambling with your career. And the other
thing I think of is I think to a lot
of people, there are a lot of people Jeff, that
they just don't embrace sports betting. That's fine, they're not gamblers,
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they don't.
Speaker 3 (09:09):
Go down that road.
Speaker 2 (09:10):
And now they're having to hear about it day in
and day out. So if you're one of those people
and you're like, I don't even do it, I don't
care about it, and all I hear now, is are
they gonna cover the spread? I don't care about the spread?
Is the game gonna go under? I don't care about
under overspread? There are a lot of people like that. Yeah,
(09:33):
and now that you're hearing, hey, there's another player being investigated.
There's this other player. There's another of this, there's another
that they're thinking. I didn't have to hear about any
of this stuff before sports betting became legalized. And so
there are a lot of people that think like that,
and they're over it. Man, they've been over it. So
(09:53):
to them, I could see how it seems like, man,
this whole thing is.
Speaker 3 (09:58):
Just off the rails. Used to be like that.
Speaker 2 (10:01):
But really what it is, it's the checks and balances
working out where you don't get away with this.
Speaker 4 (10:06):
I mean, we talk about analytics either launch angle and
uh and you know and e p A and d
v O A. I mean, and people don't sort of
have the same reaction over that, right. I Mean the
thing about that, I just uh find so fascinating about
the way we talk about me and you. But the
way that people that don't like gambling talk about it,
(10:30):
or is that like they pretend that gambling just started
five years ago like that. People just I mean there's
there are announcers, play by play guys that we have
always talked about for years before that, like like Michel
Michaels and Musburger who started a gambling media company. But
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al's always been like very famous, like pro spread over
the years, and so you know, it's it's been talked
about just quietly. Now can we talked about in the
open and a lot of and I think I don't
even realize personally that there are friends are people I
meet that gamble on sports. I just had no idea,
(11:12):
Like I just there's a lot of people that do
it and casually a couple of bucks here and there.
They're not like me and you. They're not you know,
texting about w NBA games and looking for edges and
those spot I just bet the underdogs. It seems to
be a good edge right now in the center playing
the fever. Those are the two w A edges. All
(11:34):
three dogs cover again yesterday. Man, these dogs are covering
at a high rate w NBA right now and a
lot of a lot of people are gambling. So it's
it's just it's being talked about. And if you don't
like it. I don't know what to tell you. You
don't know how to help you feel better about it,
other than I watch other stuff where people talk about things.
I just ignore it. I don't know what that's I said.
I just ignore it.
Speaker 2 (11:54):
Yeah, it's not going to be catered to your exact liking.
It'd be like someone saying, why do I have to
hear about in the NFL all day every day? It's like,
have you seen their ratings?
Speaker 3 (12:03):
That's why.
Speaker 2 (12:05):
And to your point, sports betting is just gonna get
bigger and bigger. It's as big as it's ever been
and it'll be bigger at this time next year, So
you're gonna hear about it quite a bit.
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Speaker 2 (13:10):
I don't know if this is a hot take or
a hot question right, this is from Emmanuel Lacho. Think
it does a great job on FS one's the facility.
So he brought up, hey has the Super Bowl drought
for the Kansas City Chiefs started? There was a drought
with Tom Brady went about a decade between Super Bowl rings,
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and so Acho was wondering out loud, if anything, or
at least posing the question, is this the same sort
of thing that we're gonna see from Patrick Mahomes and
the Chiefs. Now we do have the clip. I think
the extended version is is worth your time. It's only
a minute here, but he explains the why he thinks
(13:54):
this might be a thing for Mahomes and the Chiefs.
Speaker 3 (13:57):
Check it out.
Speaker 6 (13:57):
Has a Super Bowl drought for the Kansas the Chiefs started.
Here's why I suggest that we all forget in the
midst of praising Tom Brady, which we absolutely should, the
Patriots didn't win the Super Bowl for ten years from
two thousand and four to twenty fourteen, they did not
win a championship. They won three ten year break three.
Patrick Mahomes has already won his three. Are we in
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the midst of his ten year hiatus. Why I'm suggesting
that is the Eagles from a roster perspective, are way, way, way,
way way better than the Kansas City Chiefs. The Baltimore
Ravens from a roster perspective.
Speaker 4 (14:31):
Are way, way way better than the Kansas City Chiefs.
Speaker 6 (14:34):
The Buffalo Bills from a roster perspective are not way
better than the Kansas City Chiefs, but they are starting
to close the gap.
Speaker 4 (14:39):
The Chargers, they are up and coming.
Speaker 6 (14:41):
Jim Harbaugh, in his second year with the San Francisco
forty nine Ers went to the Super Bowl. It's Jim
harbaugh second year with the Los Angeles Chargers. Who knows
what can happen? Is has the drought begun for the
Kansas City Chiefs and has everybody just afraid to say
it because it is sacrilegious to talk about Patrick Mahomes
and it's sacrilegious to talk about Andy Reid has a
drought with go Now.
Speaker 2 (15:01):
I do like the end part that was cut off there.
I like Will Blackman his response to it. It's only
like a second check it out.
Speaker 3 (15:09):
Hell no, this is crazy.
Speaker 2 (15:12):
He's not buying it. Not buying the Chiefs ten year drought?
Are you not buying this as well?
Speaker 4 (15:18):
Jeff? Well, the Chiefs just playing in Super Bowl, so
the drought hasn't even begun yet. So it feels early
to declare a Super Bowl drought without actually happening, right,
I mean, I get if they had it was a
couple of years removed from a super Bowl they just
played in one last season. Tom Brady's Patriots did not
play in Super Bowl from the last one they won,
(15:40):
right in four to seven, right where they ended up
losing to the Giants and lost again and eleven to
the Giants, Right that was, and then one and fourteen again. Right.
I think people look at the Super Bowl and really
really in general standalone games, and often we have it
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to stew on for a while, and we overcomplicate our
analysis of it, right because it's the last game we
saw and the Egos thoroughly dominated the Chiefs, absolutely did.
But it was just one game, right in the NFL.
One game, and we know that year to year, the
NFL is different league, right. What happens in one year
is not certainly happened in the next season. But let's
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look at the Chiefs and think about what they've done
over these years, and they're one of the teams you
can rely on. Right, we know every year they're going
to be one of the best and then one of
the best. Because Mahomes is really good, as we know,
and I think he'll use last year's motivation. A lot
of people are saying Mahomes is not the player he
used to be. The deep passing is not there, and
there's a decline coming at some point. Well, probably the
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deep passing was not there last season because the roster
was not good on that side of the ball. Right.
Travis Kelce is entering year whatever thirteen. Even entering last season,
my thought about his play was confirmed in the first
three weeks. I thought he was going to be like
late Rob Gronkowski. If you remember Rob Right, who just
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sort of was on the roster with Tampa Bay, but
just was there for the big games, the big moment.
He showed up. The rest of the season, didn't didn't
know he existed. That's what I thought. The Chief's planning
for Kelsey was last season until ray she Rice got
hurt in Week four and then Mahomes looks around and
on offense it's Travis kelcey, rookie, Xavier Worthy, and dudes,
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because ray she Rice is hurt and Hollywood Brown does hurt,
they get to enter this training camp Xavier Worthy, year two,
Race she Rice healthy, Hollywood Brown healthy. It's a much
better offense. They fix the offense line issues, so they're
going to be in my opinion, the roster is better
than last season. So to say they're going to decline,
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and they might. And Otcho made the point by the
roster right, the Baltimore roster, the Buffalo roster, those teams
can't be Chiefs in the matter of the roster, right like, So,
Baltimore and Buffalo I think are gonna be good. I
think in Buffalo to me will be the one seed.
They gotta prove they could beat Kansas City because no
matter what roster the Chiefs show up with the postseason,
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they can't beat the Chiefs, Brian so till someone actually
beats him, and that one team has been the Bengals,
by the way, who have done it consistently. Unless you
can beat a team consistently, I can't say that other
team is in decline. So I get we're trying to
knock the Chiefs off at some point. It's boring to
talk about them all the time. I'm with the idea
(18:34):
of that, but until someone does it, I can't say
the Chiefs are dead right now.
Speaker 3 (18:39):
No, I can't either.
Speaker 2 (18:39):
And the first part when he's explaining it, where I'm like, wait, oh,
I raise my hand.
Speaker 3 (18:45):
I got a question here.
Speaker 2 (18:47):
Do you agree with this that the Eagles and the
Ravens are way, way, way, way way better from a
roster perspective than the Chiefs.
Speaker 3 (18:56):
I don't agree with that.
Speaker 4 (18:58):
Well, I mean, the Chiefs are better a quarterback than
the Eagles. Yeah, it's probably about it though, position wise, right,
But they're not that. I mean, they're not that. It's
not that. It's not way way way, way way. But
now the thinking about the Chiefs though, is that they
overcome roster deficiencies, And it's really essentially three ways, right,
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which is coaching, right, Andy Reid, Patrick Mahomes and I
think on defense they're just they're very sound on defense,
that they have their style of play, and they don't
make money. And there is a value to this. I
say it's all time in sports man, there's a value
in not losing games, right, Yeah, And the Chiefs don't
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lose games. Now, they might play sloppy at times, but
they don't. A lot of teams. You watch bad football.
We watched bad bet on bad Football unt all the time.
The bad teams are just lose games by doing dumb
things and making Chiefs don't do stuff like that.
Speaker 2 (19:54):
Well, the thing with the Eagles is they've lost a lot.
They lost a lot of play is like one, they
lost their offensive coordinator, Kellen Moore now the head coach
with the Saints. They lost eight key members of their defense.
Like some of these guys that contributed in a big way,
especially in the Super Bowl. Josh Sweat gone, Milton Williams gone,
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Darius slay Is gone. Now he was banged up, underperforming,
but he's gone. Makai Beckton offensive lineman gone. All these
dudes are gone. So and also you look at the
cornerback depth.
Speaker 3 (20:27):
No CJ.
Speaker 2 (20:28):
Gardner, Johnson, NOA. Vonte Maddox, Like, that's a lot of
talent that is not there. So I don't think that
the roster is leaps and bounds better than the Chiefs.
The Chiefs they get Rushie Rice back. I think the
offensive line should be better. Yeah, and then you're talking
about their defense was fourth in scoring defense. The Eagles
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were second, but the Chiefs are right there.
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Speaker 3 (21:02):
You see this Bronnie James.
Speaker 2 (21:04):
Bronnie James scored ten points in a Summer League game
yesterday against the Miami Heat in only ten minutes.
Speaker 3 (21:10):
How about that one point per minute?
Speaker 4 (21:13):
It feels like he might be good enough to like
be a a backup like no an NBA. Like if
he wasn't Lebron's like, kid, would would he be a
backup an NBA? He would be right.
Speaker 3 (21:29):
I don't know, I don't know. Maybe it's possible.
Speaker 2 (21:32):
You know the thing that never gets thrown into the
Bronnie James discussion is like the dude had a near
death episode in college at USC at cardiac arrest. You know,
it's kind of a big deal in your NBA development,
you know, and like this guy is talented player. I
(21:55):
know some people are just rolling their eyes just like.
Speaker 3 (21:58):
He wouldn't be in the NBA. You can't get me.
They wouldn't be in the NBA.
Speaker 2 (22:01):
Without Lebron probably probably at this stage, yes, but at
any stage you don't know that for sure.
Speaker 3 (22:09):
So you're acting like this guy was in.
Speaker 2 (22:12):
College for like three or four years, was a total dud,
had no like medical hardship of any note, you know,
that played any significant part in his his basketball journey.
Speaker 3 (22:25):
Like all those things.
Speaker 2 (22:26):
He was what one year in college he had the
cardiac arrest. That's a lot going on, man, So to
act like after one year of summer League, this is
all it's ever gonna be.
Speaker 3 (22:37):
I just don't agree with that.
Speaker 4 (22:40):
I think it's fair to say that, you know, he
he probably doesn't get the chance to be in the
NBA and without his dad based off of his his
play at right at USC. Right Like that's that's I
think it's certainly fair to say that maybe he would
have gone a two way contract, a summer league contract,
things like that. In this it's all fair to say
(23:02):
that that's you know, that's possible. But I think since
he's been in the league, I mean, he and this,
I was looking runw he had seventeen points in a
game like that's not nothing. He had nine points in
another game, like it's not it's not nothing that he
that he he scored. He started slow in his career,
to play a couple of minutes here and there, but
(23:23):
it's sort of the last, you know, the last sort
of month he got to play a little bit more.
He was got a little bit better, and we saw
the summer league yesterday or was it two days ago,
how much he's gonna I think he's going to be
fine eventually. So I mean it's fair to say two
days one not in NBA went out his dad. But
also I find it pretty cool if I was in
(23:43):
this situation, I don't think I'll be in the situation
to play in the NFL with my son if I yeah, yeah,
as I sit here with like a with a towel
behind my back to stretch my back out, so it's
not too tight. Sitting here as we do this. I look,
I think it's it's super cool that he gets to
choose to play with this kid. I love it. I
(24:04):
think it's it's great. He's not taking a roster spot
from anybody, you like, all these things like you're just
like whatever. Man, He's just on the roster. Like it's
not a big deal. Lebron's good enough to be able
to demand essentially this to happen. It's not hurt anyone.
No one else on the no one else who would
know me be in the roster is taking getting a
roster spot taken up by Brownie. He's not plain enough
(24:27):
to really matter at all anyways. But then when he
gets a little bit of time thirty minutes here, thirty
minutes there, we see a little bit of improvement in
Summer League, a little bit of improvement. And I think
that the more time he gets, the more it's being
justified that he is in the NBA. And I think
that's kind of my point, is like he's he's good
enough with more time to show that the talent is there.
(24:50):
If you give him some more minutes, you can see
a role for him in the NBA is a back.
It was never going to be a starter, but his
role from as a backup, And I'm glad you mentioned
the thing that here Cardiac evented us see like that's important.
He didn't really play a Streshman season, so we never
even got to see it.
Speaker 3 (25:05):
Yeah, well that's the thing is.
Speaker 2 (25:07):
I think the disconnect here I understand where there are
a lot of people that have an issue with it.
They don't like the nepotism thing, and it's like, Okay,
I get your criticism.
Speaker 3 (25:18):
I understand that.
Speaker 2 (25:19):
But the disconnect and the divide is like where there's
a four K in a road, you go that way,
I go this other way. Is you're acting like anyone
who got an opportunity due to nepotism never panned out
to be anything, you know what I mean? Like that
there's a difference right there. Okay, you're bent about the
initial opportunity. Okay, I can't tell you you're automatically wrong
(25:44):
if that's how you feel. But if you think that
Bronni will never be any good whatsoever just because he
got that initial opportunity because of nepotism.
Speaker 3 (25:54):
I don't agree with that.
Speaker 2 (25:55):
Like, think how many opportunities have come over the years,
whether it's an athlete in basketball or football, or like ownership.
Think about how many times like a guy owns a
team and then passes it on to his kids who
never would have gotten that opportunity if not for that nepotism,
(26:17):
and then turned out to be really good at what
they did as well.
Speaker 3 (26:21):
Like that happens.
Speaker 2 (26:22):
Just because you get an opportunity that you probably wouldn't
have gotten if not for that relationship or if not
for that nepotism. That doesn't mean you're automatically doomed to
failure and you're never going to be anything.
Speaker 3 (26:36):
So that's right.
Speaker 2 (26:37):
I can understand people being upset about it.
Speaker 3 (26:39):
Okay, I'm not, but if you are, I get it.
Speaker 2 (26:43):
But to act like he's never going to amount to
something because he initially got that opportunity you thought he
didn't deserve, I just don't agree with that. There are
many examples of that being the case where they do
pan out and they are good at something they wouldn't
have gotten. Opportunity in happens a lot.
Speaker 4 (27:00):
It happens a lot. And look, I understand if you
know you are getting passed up for jobs because nepotism.
I get how that would make someone. I mean, I mean,
you know, in the sports media world, Brian get passed
up for not nepotism, just like what's the right way
(27:21):
to put it, like, uh, cloud nepotism Like you play
more years? Right, Like it happens all the time. So
I certainly get that feeling. I totally get it. But
then if someone gets that opportunity and does really well,
I have to just be like, yeah, like they got
the job, and maybe I would have done as well,
but they've earned that opportunity. Now that they've gone in,
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they've earned that chance. I would imagine that, you know,
you know, uh, what's uh, what's Iron Eagle's son. Noah's
really good. I'm sure people really good.
Speaker 3 (27:51):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (27:52):
I can't believe he's getting a job over me.
Speaker 3 (27:55):
Call it Olympic basketball. He's done a great job. Will
be the NBC.
Speaker 4 (27:59):
Yeah, sure. So there are there are chang there are
times when they do end up you ends up panning
out and look again for Bronny. The the best case scenarios,
he is a career backup. You know, he he plays
six seven years. Maybe he's a two way deal, or
he goes overseas for a few years.
Speaker 3 (28:18):
Like that's it.
Speaker 4 (28:19):
It's it's not no harm, no foul, right, He's not
taking a rospot from anybody. And the guy who brought
you a championship and is the face of your team
in your league and Lebron gets to be happy to
play with this kid. Yeah, I mean feels like really harmless. Brian.
Speaker 2 (28:35):
Yeah. No, I think people are are very worked up,
and it might stem from, Hey, I'm incredibly fond of Lebron,
and now we get nepotism and now we're off and running,
you know, and people.
Speaker 4 (28:46):
Are the Lebron hate to me just seems so misguided.
Sometimes I just don't get it. He is, he has
never gotten in trouble.
Speaker 1 (28:56):
I know.
Speaker 2 (28:56):
I'm kind of like you where yeah, I'll let you finish.
I mean to butt in, but I'm with you on
this where I don't understand why you can't be more
like a waffle as a sports fan, you know what
I mean, where a waffle has these sections, it's like
everything blends together. It's my sister told me about this
book where it's like men are like waffles, women are
(29:18):
like spaghetti.
Speaker 3 (29:19):
You know, where I don't.
Speaker 2 (29:20):
Know if you have a thing at your job, and
then it's this relationship with the family men, and everything's together.
You know, everything blends together. Men can separate and compartmentalize
a lot. Sports fans sure can't. I don't know what
it is. If you dislike Lebron in any capacity, about
any opinion he shared, or whatever the reason is. Somehow
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they cannot separate that from Lebron James the basketball player,
Lebron James the athlete. It all blends together, and it's ridiculous.
You gotta separate stuff. I'll never I don't mean to
go on a rant, Jeff, but I remember doing radio
at the time when Michael Vick was back in the NFL.
This is after the dog fighting thing, and I can't
tell you how many people would call in he shouldn't
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be considered for the MVP he was. I'm like, that
has fighting dogs, has nothing to do with his MVP credentials.
Speaker 3 (30:12):
Nothing. You gotta get over it. It doesn't even apply.
Speaker 2 (30:15):
But people are trying to shoehorn it in there, and
it's like, you gotta separate stuff, and people cannot separate
stuff when it comes to Lebron how they feel about
him and how unbelievable he's been throughout his career.
Speaker 4 (30:27):
But I don't even I understand why people would be
would be like anti Michael Vick. Okay, I don't know
what Lebron has done to where you would be anti fair.
It's like, I just don't know what he's done. He
eleven years ago he did an hour long special with
it raised three million dollars pretty for the Boys and
Girls Club. You know, I just I don't know what
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he what he did. He's a little corny with Taco
Tuesday sometimes. I don't know. He's in mid forties, dad.
I mean, I would imagine my kids probably feel him
a little corny sometimes too. I'm not forty quite yet,
but may.
Speaker 3 (31:02):
He's definitely got an ego, he definitely.
Speaker 4 (31:04):
But who doesn't have an ego. He's he's the best
player for twenty years.
Speaker 3 (31:08):
It's been hard not to have an ego. That's fair.
But I'm just trying to I don't hate him for
these reasons.
Speaker 4 (31:13):
Why I know, but it just seems so like I
get if you don't like ex player because they had
an off the court incident, right or he said he Actually,
I think it's pretty remarkable that there's some superstars like
him that have just never had Like, think about all
the attention he's had the spotlight since he was sixteen
(31:34):
years old playing for who was who he played for?
Was it not? Okay? Okill's St Mary's Sat Mary's. Yeah,
like he was on Sports Illustrated.
Speaker 3 (31:44):
Like fifteen years old and never not one scandal.
Speaker 4 (31:48):
Scandal is his son plays with him for the Lakers.
Speaker 2 (31:50):
I know, it's wild, right, Like, and think of some
of the scandals that we've had of in recent years,
whether it's Deshaun Watson, Justin Talker, what have you could
just you know, rattle stuff off left and right.
Speaker 4 (32:03):
Justin Tucker, by the way, so innocent that he he
accepted the right.
Speaker 2 (32:07):
You know, I won't fight this ten game suspension even
though I'm completely innocent.
Speaker 3 (32:12):
That that adds up. But yeah, like.
Speaker 2 (32:16):
You could be bent over those things. That's something to
be upset about, Yeah, something to be angered about. Yeah,
but Lebron, I don't know, doing these goofy things begging
for more attention, which, yeah, you can roll your eyes
from time to time, but in comparison to those other things,
it's pretty ridiculous to really be upset about that. But yeah, man,
(32:38):
that's the way it goes. It's weird, it's strange how
that goes. But I think that factors into like put
it this way, who's who's an athlete that is so
well liked that if his son got an opportunity he
otherwise wouldn't have gotten. People wouldn't have been nearly as
upset about is there someone like Steph Curry. I don't
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like Steph Curry's son gets an opportunity. I don't think
people would be nearly as.
Speaker 4 (33:06):
Caitlyn Clark's daughter.
Speaker 3 (33:08):
I know they would. They would be irate about that.
Speaker 4 (33:11):
It was so angry. I don't know, I don't, I
don't know. I mean, it's just so unlikely to see
because it's funny. Is I was too young for the
Griffy thing? It was anyone like when King Griffey obviously
was a Hall of fame, which makes it, you know,
if Brownie was better, I think people would look at
it a little differently because a lot of times when
father son duos have played, it's been they've both been
(33:33):
really superstars, right, been really good, and Bronnie just is not.
And again he's a backup in the NBA at best.
I'm trying think of another player that people would be
this upset if they're if they're their their kid.
Speaker 3 (33:45):
Oh as upset.
Speaker 2 (33:47):
I could come up with the athletes like that, but
the opposite like not upset. You know they're they're so popular,
you're really not upset that his got this opportunity.
Speaker 3 (33:56):
I think I think Steph could be on the list.
Steph is very well.
Speaker 4 (34:00):
Very positive, could be thinking of any like any like
football players.
Speaker 3 (34:06):
Like Mahome's kid. I don't know.
Speaker 4 (34:08):
People people would not like that. That that feels impossible
to happen. Let me think of uh, could.
Speaker 2 (34:14):
You before Aaron Rodgers kid?
Speaker 3 (34:18):
Oh tote past?
Speaker 4 (34:21):
We don't even I'm just I'm looking forward to seeing
the wife. The wife has been.
Speaker 3 (34:28):
Just hiding everything in his per.
Speaker 4 (34:31):
We've seen Otani's wife, like we've seen her before, like
she's been to some events, and yes, he does a
good job of hiding her, which is, uh, you know,
I don't know how they do it. I mean, obviously
that's incredible that that think about Towni's fame and that
we just really don't see his wife ever.
Speaker 3 (34:50):
Yeah, that's pretty wild, crazy.
Speaker 4 (34:52):
Like that's it's incredible how they're able to again it's
a great work life balance. If you can achieve that,
I mean, that's fantastic. I know some athletes just you
could do that. And oh Tani, can you know he
was like plus two fifty to one m v P
this year, Like the numbers seems so low, but I'm
gonna cash that chicken.
Speaker 3 (35:10):
Very easily, no doubt.
Speaker 2 (35:12):
Yeah, it's I haven't heard the same venom with like
Giannice's brother, you know, with Fanasis in the n b A.
Speaker 4 (35:20):
I haven't no one better is better, worse than lebron
than Brownny.
Speaker 3 (35:26):
We need to have one on one, one on one
competition
This is the best of two pros and a couple
of Joe with LaVar airings rating Win and Jonas Knox
on box or radio.
Speaker 2 (00:13):
There are a couple of investigations going on in MLB
and the NBA. So there is an MLB investigation into
Cleveland Guardians pitcher Louise or Tez all right, there were
some there's some shady betting activity, and so they're looking
into a couple of pitches. You could bet on the
(00:36):
first pitch of an inning, will it be a ball?
And so there was some suspicious betting activity with a
couple of these instances, and he's just bouncing these these pitches.
So it's like, all right, they're investigating that. There's also
a federal investigation into NBA player Malik Beasley. There is
(00:57):
some suspicious betting activity. They're looking into it. Was he
providing information that he shouldn't have been. Was he trying to,
I don't know, cover the spread or do some suspicious
things with its prop bets.
Speaker 3 (01:11):
So they're investigating these things. And when it.
Speaker 2 (01:15):
Comes to this, I'm sure you've heard it. I've heard
it many many times. You'll hear people say these leagues
are so hypocritical, and I want to yell with a megaphone, no,
they're not. Like they have partnerships with sports betting companies
and then they punish players for betting on sports. That
might seem hypocritical. It's not hypocritical. Like just because the NFL, NBA, MLB,
(01:41):
whatever it happens to be, because they have partnerships with
sports books, that doesn't mean that the players can just
bet on any sport they want, including the sports that
they play. There are still rules here, So to act
like that's hypocritical, it doesn't make sense to me. You
don't think the same way when it comes to alcohol companies, right,
Like there are alcohol partnerships between leagues and those companies.
(02:05):
That doesn't mean that the players can just drive drunk
and get away with it. It doesn't mean because I
don't know the NBA has a partnership with michelob Ultra
or whatever it happens to be, that a power forward
can just shot gun beers and team meetings. It's like,
you can't do anything to maam. You got this partnership over,
you still have rules. It's not hypocritical to still enforce
(02:27):
the rules that you have even though you have those partnerships.
Speaker 4 (02:31):
So the alcohol one is the one I always refer
back to when it comes to this discussion, right, because
you know, if a player drives drunk, which is obviously
they should never do, right, and there's an unfortunate accident,
or they get arrested or there's a dui, you know,
no one, everyone always says, well, the player's responsibility right
(02:51):
to make sure they get home safely. They set up
a car ride for the you know, car service for themselves,
they uber. But then when a player gets caught gambling,
it's the gambling company's responsibility for them to No, it's
not right. It's you're an adult. There are rules set
in place. You have to follow the rules. Drinking and
driving is illegal. Because the NFL is in bed with
(03:14):
or has deals with uh, you know, beer companies, doesn't
mean you're allowed to do that, right. It doesn't mean
that there's undue influence on players to drink. I always
see when there's you know, the Ortez report came out.
You know, there's always be replies on social media saying
like brought to you by Fandel, brought you by DraftKings,
(03:36):
And I'm like, well, when there's a dui that say,
brought to you by bud Light. No, no fan says that, Right,
it's the player responsibility. I'm like, it's the same thing here,
it's the it's the now you you can say all
these things are true about these two stories, right, they're
different for why the player we think was gambling, but
(03:56):
that the legal sports wagering has made it easier and
more readily available player props. Right for players that they're
playing in a game, to wager on them or against them,
that was not available, And bro, I'm not I'm sure
you were wagering before legal sports wagering became allowed. You know,
(04:16):
those websites very rarely offered a big menu of player props,
and they might have a starting pitcher player prop, or
they might have a you know, Lebron James special. But
finding something on Ortiz every you know, first pitch of
thirty was not available, right, Finding player props on Malik
Beasley was probably not available every night. Okay, now they're
(04:37):
more available. Okay, that's true. So those markets are able
to be taking advantage of if you, if you would
like to, and so the players would not be doing
these things if it wasn't available to them, but also
because it's available, there are checks and bounces put in place.
We talked yesterday on our Sunday show with With with
(04:57):
Ben MGM's leading trader, right, and we asked him this question.
He goes, yeah, look, I see every wager that comes in.
I can tell if there's an abnormal wager immediately and
I go through the process of alerting everyone about the
wager and let's investigate the wager. So you know those
are both, you know they go hand in hand. Right,
We have local sports wager and we also have checks
and bounces put in place for these instances. And I
(05:22):
thought about Ortiz yesterday, right, So they wager on two
first pitches in two different games of an inning. I
found it yesterday a market on one of the sports
books for the first pitch of an inning. And I
was watching the Indian, the Guardians and Tigers player. I
was watching a Scooball pitch yesterday. First pitch of the game.
Brian right down the middle ball called the ball clearly
(05:43):
a strike, clearly a strike like Scoobol was like this
Gland turn to bunt And I was like, if you
had first I mean, first pitch strike was probably laying
one point fifty, right, I mean Scoobl's pitching, and I
can imagine the you're of someone who bet on this market,
but it's also a very small market, like you're just
(06:05):
not gonna get this market and put that a lot
of money. So the artist thing is fact be the
same thing. Seems like he was in a lot of
debt and needed the money for to get out of debts.
The artist thing, I don't I don't get the purpose
of it because you're not making a lot of money
betting on the first pitch of an inning. So that one,
(06:27):
I'm very curious to see what the investigation fishing. And lastly,
the reason why sports leagues are so harsh on punishing
people that gamble on their sport, they're way it's way
more harsh than anyone that's committed you know, domestic violence,
right a dui. It's more because and you don't want
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to watch a baseball game where tons of baseball on
today and think to yourself, these players are not playing
for the competition of the game. They're playing because they're
trying to throw an in or throw or throw in
a bat or miss a shot or football is almost
impossible to fix it, but like drop a pass, you know,
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like you want everyone to watch the sport, knowing the
players are in it for the competition of the game,
and so that's why they're so harsh on it. If
e Otis will be we'll get a lifetime ban if
they find out he was part of this, one hundred percent,
and he will deserve that. Just don't do it. Like,
don't do it. There's no there's no outcome that ends
with you being profitable as a player participating in gambling.
Speaker 2 (07:38):
Well, I would hope there have been enough stories and
enough investigations and enough punishments, you know, like John Say
Porter is banned for life, and now we have another
investigation with Malik Beasley. We'll see what happens with Luiz Ortiz.
But I would hope that professional athletes, now Jeff would
look at this.
Speaker 3 (07:58):
And it really.
Speaker 2 (08:00):
Like, if I go down this road, I am literally
gambling with my career here, you know, because a lot
of these guys, I'm sure if Malik Beasley did anything
improper or Luise Ortiz did anything improper, and I don't
know that for.
Speaker 3 (08:14):
Sure, let's just say they did.
Speaker 2 (08:16):
I'm sure they went about it thinking I'm not gonna
get caught. You're thinking like that, like who's gonna find
this out? You know, But you really have to think about,
I'm gambling with my career here. They're monitoring this stuff
so closely that if anything pops up and it raises
a red flag, they're gonna start sniffing around. They're gonna
start investigating, and if they can connect dots or somebody
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talks or what have you, my career could be over.
Speaker 3 (08:42):
You have to look at it like that. You are
literally gambling with your career.
Speaker 2 (08:46):
If you're trying to doctor your props or you're trying
to bounce a pitch and cash in on that ball,
first pitch on the top of the third, like, you
gotta think you're gambling with your career. And the other
thing I think of is I think to a lot
of people, there are a lot of people Jeff, that
they just don't embrace sports betting. That's fine, they're not gamblers,
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they don't.
Speaker 3 (09:09):
Go down that road.
Speaker 2 (09:10):
And now they're having to hear about it day in
and day out. So if you're one of those people
and you're like, I don't even do it, I don't
care about it, and all I hear now, is are
they gonna cover the spread? I don't care about the spread?
Is the game gonna go under? I don't care about
under overspread? There are a lot of people like that. Yeah,
(09:33):
and now that you're hearing, hey, there's another player being investigated.
There's this other player. There's another of this, there's another
that they're thinking. I didn't have to hear about any
of this stuff before sports betting became legalized. And so
there are a lot of people that think like that,
and they're over it. Man, they've been over it. So
(09:53):
to them, I could see how it seems like, man,
this whole thing is.
Speaker 3 (09:58):
Just off the rails. Used to be like that.
Speaker 2 (10:01):
But really what it is, it's the checks and balances
working out where you don't get away with this.
Speaker 4 (10:06):
I mean, we talk about analytics either launch angle and
uh and you know and e p A and d
v O A. I mean, and people don't sort of
have the same reaction over that, right. I Mean the
thing about that, I just uh find so fascinating about
the way we talk about me and you. But the
way that people that don't like gambling talk about it,
(10:30):
or is that like they pretend that gambling just started
five years ago like that. People just I mean there's
there are announcers, play by play guys that we have
always talked about for years before that, like like Michel
Michaels and Musburger who started a gambling media company. But
(10:52):
al's always been like very famous, like pro spread over
the years, and so you know, it's it's been talked
about just quietly. Now can we talked about in the
open and a lot of and I think I don't
even realize personally that there are friends are people I
meet that gamble on sports. I just had no idea,
(11:12):
Like I just there's a lot of people that do
it and casually a couple of bucks here and there.
They're not like me and you. They're not you know,
texting about w NBA games and looking for edges and
those spot I just bet the underdogs. It seems to
be a good edge right now in the center playing
the fever. Those are the two w A edges. All
(11:34):
three dogs cover again yesterday. Man, these dogs are covering
at a high rate w NBA right now and a
lot of a lot of people are gambling. So it's
it's just it's being talked about. And if you don't
like it. I don't know what to tell you. You
don't know how to help you feel better about it,
other than I watch other stuff where people talk about things.
I just ignore it. I don't know what that's I said.
I just ignore it.
Speaker 2 (11:54):
Yeah, it's not going to be catered to your exact liking.
It'd be like someone saying, why do I have to
hear about in the NFL all day every day? It's like,
have you seen their ratings?
Speaker 3 (12:03):
That's why.
Speaker 2 (12:05):
And to your point, sports betting is just gonna get
bigger and bigger. It's as big as it's ever been
and it'll be bigger at this time next year, So
you're gonna hear about it quite a bit.
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Speaker 2 (13:10):
I don't know if this is a hot take or
a hot question right, this is from Emmanuel Lacho. Think
it does a great job on FS one's the facility.
So he brought up, hey has the Super Bowl drought
for the Kansas City Chiefs started? There was a drought
with Tom Brady went about a decade between Super Bowl rings,
(13:33):
and so Acho was wondering out loud, if anything, or
at least posing the question, is this the same sort
of thing that we're gonna see from Patrick Mahomes and
the Chiefs. Now we do have the clip. I think
the extended version is is worth your time. It's only
a minute here, but he explains the why he thinks
(13:54):
this might be a thing for Mahomes and the Chiefs.
Speaker 3 (13:57):
Check it out.
Speaker 6 (13:57):
Has a Super Bowl drought for the Kansas the Chiefs started.
Here's why I suggest that we all forget in the
midst of praising Tom Brady, which we absolutely should, the
Patriots didn't win the Super Bowl for ten years from
two thousand and four to twenty fourteen, they did not
win a championship. They won three ten year break three.
Patrick Mahomes has already won his three. Are we in
(14:20):
the midst of his ten year hiatus. Why I'm suggesting
that is the Eagles from a roster perspective, are way, way, way,
way way better than the Kansas City Chiefs. The Baltimore
Ravens from a roster perspective.
Speaker 4 (14:31):
Are way, way way better than the Kansas City Chiefs.
Speaker 6 (14:34):
The Buffalo Bills from a roster perspective are not way
better than the Kansas City Chiefs, but they are starting
to close the gap.
Speaker 4 (14:39):
The Chargers, they are up and coming.
Speaker 6 (14:41):
Jim Harbaugh, in his second year with the San Francisco
forty nine Ers went to the Super Bowl. It's Jim
harbaugh second year with the Los Angeles Chargers. Who knows
what can happen? Is has the drought begun for the
Kansas City Chiefs and has everybody just afraid to say
it because it is sacrilegious to talk about Patrick Mahomes
and it's sacrilegious to talk about Andy Reid has a
drought with go Now.
Speaker 2 (15:01):
I do like the end part that was cut off there.
I like Will Blackman his response to it. It's only
like a second check it out.
Speaker 3 (15:09):
Hell no, this is crazy.
Speaker 2 (15:12):
He's not buying it. Not buying the Chiefs ten year drought?
Are you not buying this as well?
Speaker 4 (15:18):
Jeff? Well, the Chiefs just playing in Super Bowl, so
the drought hasn't even begun yet. So it feels early
to declare a Super Bowl drought without actually happening, right,
I mean, I get if they had it was a
couple of years removed from a super Bowl they just
played in one last season. Tom Brady's Patriots did not
play in Super Bowl from the last one they won,
(15:40):
right in four to seven, right where they ended up
losing to the Giants and lost again and eleven to
the Giants, Right that was, and then one and fourteen again. Right.
I think people look at the Super Bowl and really
really in general standalone games, and often we have it
(16:01):
to stew on for a while, and we overcomplicate our
analysis of it, right because it's the last game we
saw and the Egos thoroughly dominated the Chiefs, absolutely did.
But it was just one game, right in the NFL.
One game, and we know that year to year, the
NFL is different league, right. What happens in one year
is not certainly happened in the next season. But let's
(16:23):
look at the Chiefs and think about what they've done
over these years, and they're one of the teams you
can rely on. Right, we know every year they're going
to be one of the best and then one of
the best. Because Mahomes is really good, as we know,
and I think he'll use last year's motivation. A lot
of people are saying Mahomes is not the player he
used to be. The deep passing is not there, and
there's a decline coming at some point. Well, probably the
(16:46):
deep passing was not there last season because the roster
was not good on that side of the ball. Right.
Travis Kelce is entering year whatever thirteen. Even entering last season,
my thought about his play was confirmed in the first
three weeks. I thought he was going to be like
late Rob Gronkowski. If you remember Rob Right, who just
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sort of was on the roster with Tampa Bay, but
just was there for the big games, the big moment.
He showed up. The rest of the season, didn't didn't
know he existed. That's what I thought. The Chief's planning
for Kelsey was last season until ray she Rice got
hurt in Week four and then Mahomes looks around and
on offense it's Travis kelcey, rookie, Xavier Worthy, and dudes,
(17:28):
because ray she Rice is hurt and Hollywood Brown does hurt,
they get to enter this training camp Xavier Worthy, year two,
Race she Rice healthy, Hollywood Brown healthy. It's a much
better offense. They fix the offense line issues, so they're
going to be in my opinion, the roster is better
than last season. So to say they're going to decline,
(17:50):
and they might. And Otcho made the point by the
roster right, the Baltimore roster, the Buffalo roster, those teams
can't be Chiefs in the matter of the roster, right like, So,
Baltimore and Buffalo I think are gonna be good. I
think in Buffalo to me will be the one seed.
They gotta prove they could beat Kansas City because no
matter what roster the Chiefs show up with the postseason,
(18:13):
they can't beat the Chiefs, Brian so till someone actually
beats him, and that one team has been the Bengals,
by the way, who have done it consistently. Unless you
can beat a team consistently, I can't say that other
team is in decline. So I get we're trying to
knock the Chiefs off at some point. It's boring to
talk about them all the time. I'm with the idea
(18:34):
of that, but until someone does it, I can't say
the Chiefs are dead right now.
Speaker 3 (18:39):
No, I can't either.
Speaker 2 (18:39):
And the first part when he's explaining it, where I'm like, wait, oh,
I raise my hand.
Speaker 3 (18:45):
I got a question here.
Speaker 2 (18:47):
Do you agree with this that the Eagles and the
Ravens are way, way, way, way way better from a
roster perspective than the Chiefs.
Speaker 3 (18:56):
I don't agree with that.
Speaker 4 (18:58):
Well, I mean, the Chiefs are better a quarterback than
the Eagles. Yeah, it's probably about it though, position wise, right,
But they're not that. I mean, they're not that. It's
not that. It's not way way way, way way. But
now the thinking about the Chiefs though, is that they
overcome roster deficiencies, And it's really essentially three ways, right,
(19:20):
which is coaching, right, Andy Reid, Patrick Mahomes and I
think on defense they're just they're very sound on defense,
that they have their style of play, and they don't
make money. And there is a value to this. I
say it's all time in sports man, there's a value
in not losing games, right, Yeah, And the Chiefs don't
(19:41):
lose games. Now, they might play sloppy at times, but
they don't. A lot of teams. You watch bad football.
We watched bad bet on bad Football unt all the time.
The bad teams are just lose games by doing dumb
things and making Chiefs don't do stuff like that.
Speaker 2 (19:54):
Well, the thing with the Eagles is they've lost a lot.
They lost a lot of play is like one, they
lost their offensive coordinator, Kellen Moore now the head coach
with the Saints. They lost eight key members of their defense.
Like some of these guys that contributed in a big way,
especially in the Super Bowl. Josh Sweat gone, Milton Williams gone,
(20:16):
Darius slay Is gone. Now he was banged up, underperforming,
but he's gone. Makai Beckton offensive lineman gone. All these
dudes are gone. So and also you look at the
cornerback depth.
Speaker 3 (20:27):
No CJ.
Speaker 2 (20:28):
Gardner, Johnson, NOA. Vonte Maddox, Like, that's a lot of
talent that is not there. So I don't think that
the roster is leaps and bounds better than the Chiefs.
The Chiefs they get Rushie Rice back. I think the
offensive line should be better. Yeah, and then you're talking
about their defense was fourth in scoring defense. The Eagles
(20:49):
were second, but the Chiefs are right there.
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Speaker 3 (21:02):
You see this Bronnie James.
Speaker 2 (21:04):
Bronnie James scored ten points in a Summer League game
yesterday against the Miami Heat in only ten minutes.
Speaker 3 (21:10):
How about that one point per minute?
Speaker 4 (21:13):
It feels like he might be good enough to like
be a a backup like no an NBA. Like if
he wasn't Lebron's like, kid, would would he be a
backup an NBA? He would be right.
Speaker 3 (21:29):
I don't know, I don't know. Maybe it's possible.
Speaker 2 (21:32):
You know the thing that never gets thrown into the
Bronnie James discussion is like the dude had a near
death episode in college at USC at cardiac arrest. You know,
it's kind of a big deal in your NBA development,
you know, and like this guy is talented player. I
(21:55):
know some people are just rolling their eyes just like.
Speaker 3 (21:58):
He wouldn't be in the NBA. You can't get me.
They wouldn't be in the NBA.
Speaker 2 (22:01):
Without Lebron probably probably at this stage, yes, but at
any stage you don't know that for sure.
Speaker 3 (22:09):
So you're acting like this guy was in.
Speaker 2 (22:12):
College for like three or four years, was a total dud,
had no like medical hardship of any note, you know,
that played any significant part in his his basketball journey.
Speaker 3 (22:25):
Like all those things.
Speaker 2 (22:26):
He was what one year in college he had the
cardiac arrest. That's a lot going on, man, So to
act like after one year of summer League, this is
all it's ever gonna be.
Speaker 3 (22:37):
I just don't agree with that.
Speaker 4 (22:40):
I think it's fair to say that, you know, he
he probably doesn't get the chance to be in the
NBA and without his dad based off of his his
play at right at USC. Right Like that's that's I
think it's certainly fair to say that maybe he would
have gone a two way contract, a summer league contract,
things like that. In this it's all fair to say
(23:02):
that that's you know, that's possible. But I think since
he's been in the league, I mean, he and this,
I was looking runw he had seventeen points in a
game like that's not nothing. He had nine points in
another game, like it's not it's not nothing that he
that he he scored. He started slow in his career,
to play a couple of minutes here and there, but
(23:23):
it's sort of the last, you know, the last sort
of month he got to play a little bit more.
He was got a little bit better, and we saw
the summer league yesterday or was it two days ago,
how much he's gonna I think he's going to be
fine eventually. So I mean it's fair to say two
days one not in NBA went out his dad. But
also I find it pretty cool if I was in
(23:43):
this situation, I don't think I'll be in the situation
to play in the NFL with my son if I yeah, yeah,
as I sit here with like a with a towel
behind my back to stretch my back out, so it's
not too tight. Sitting here as we do this. I look,
I think it's it's super cool that he gets to
choose to play with this kid. I love it. I
(24:04):
think it's it's great. He's not taking a roster spot
from anybody, you like, all these things like you're just
like whatever. Man, He's just on the roster. Like it's
not a big deal. Lebron's good enough to be able
to demand essentially this to happen. It's not hurt anyone.
No one else on the no one else who would
know me be in the roster is taking getting a
roster spot taken up by Brownie. He's not plain enough
(24:27):
to really matter at all anyways. But then when he
gets a little bit of time thirty minutes here, thirty
minutes there, we see a little bit of improvement in
Summer League, a little bit of improvement. And I think
that the more time he gets, the more it's being
justified that he is in the NBA. And I think
that's kind of my point, is like he's he's good
enough with more time to show that the talent is there.
(24:50):
If you give him some more minutes, you can see
a role for him in the NBA is a back.
It was never going to be a starter, but his
role from as a backup, And I'm glad you mentioned
the thing that here Cardiac evented us see like that's important.
He didn't really play a Streshman season, so we never
even got to see it.
Speaker 3 (25:05):
Yeah, well that's the thing is.
Speaker 2 (25:07):
I think the disconnect here I understand where there are
a lot of people that have an issue with it.
They don't like the nepotism thing, and it's like, Okay,
I get your criticism.
Speaker 3 (25:18):
I understand that.
Speaker 2 (25:19):
But the disconnect and the divide is like where there's
a four K in a road, you go that way,
I go this other way. Is you're acting like anyone
who got an opportunity due to nepotism never panned out
to be anything, you know what I mean? Like that
there's a difference right there. Okay, you're bent about the
initial opportunity. Okay, I can't tell you you're automatically wrong
(25:44):
if that's how you feel. But if you think that
Bronni will never be any good whatsoever just because he
got that initial opportunity because of nepotism.
Speaker 3 (25:54):
I don't agree with that.
Speaker 2 (25:55):
Like, think how many opportunities have come over the years,
whether it's an athlete in basketball or football, or like ownership.
Think about how many times like a guy owns a
team and then passes it on to his kids who
never would have gotten that opportunity if not for that nepotism,
(26:17):
and then turned out to be really good at what
they did as well.
Speaker 3 (26:21):
Like that happens.
Speaker 2 (26:22):
Just because you get an opportunity that you probably wouldn't
have gotten if not for that relationship or if not
for that nepotism. That doesn't mean you're automatically doomed to
failure and you're never going to be anything.
Speaker 3 (26:36):
So that's right.
Speaker 2 (26:37):
I can understand people being upset about it.
Speaker 3 (26:39):
Okay, I'm not, but if you are, I get it.
Speaker 2 (26:43):
But to act like he's never going to amount to
something because he initially got that opportunity you thought he
didn't deserve, I just don't agree with that. There are
many examples of that being the case where they do
pan out and they are good at something they wouldn't
have gotten. Opportunity in happens a lot.
Speaker 4 (27:00):
It happens a lot. And look, I understand if you
know you are getting passed up for jobs because nepotism.
I get how that would make someone. I mean, I mean,
you know, in the sports media world, Brian get passed
up for not nepotism, just like what's the right way
(27:21):
to put it, like, uh, cloud nepotism Like you play
more years? Right, Like it happens all the time. So
I certainly get that feeling. I totally get it. But
then if someone gets that opportunity and does really well,
I have to just be like, yeah, like they got
the job, and maybe I would have done as well,
but they've earned that opportunity. Now that they've gone in,
(27:42):
they've earned that chance. I would imagine that, you know,
you know, uh, what's uh, what's Iron Eagle's son. Noah's
really good. I'm sure people really good.
Speaker 3 (27:51):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (27:52):
I can't believe he's getting a job over me.
Speaker 3 (27:55):
Call it Olympic basketball. He's done a great job. Will
be the NBC.
Speaker 4 (27:59):
Yeah, sure. So there are there are chang there are
times when they do end up you ends up panning
out and look again for Bronny. The the best case scenarios,
he is a career backup. You know, he he plays
six seven years. Maybe he's a two way deal, or
he goes overseas for a few years.
Speaker 3 (28:18):
Like that's it.
Speaker 4 (28:19):
It's it's not no harm, no foul, right, He's not
taking a rospot from anybody. And the guy who brought
you a championship and is the face of your team
in your league and Lebron gets to be happy to
play with this kid. Yeah, I mean feels like really harmless. Brian.
Speaker 2 (28:35):
Yeah. No, I think people are are very worked up,
and it might stem from, Hey, I'm incredibly fond of Lebron,
and now we get nepotism and now we're off and running,
you know, and people.
Speaker 4 (28:46):
Are the Lebron hate to me just seems so misguided.
Sometimes I just don't get it. He is, he has
never gotten in trouble.
Speaker 1 (28:56):
I know.
Speaker 2 (28:56):
I'm kind of like you where yeah, I'll let you finish.
I mean to butt in, but I'm with you on
this where I don't understand why you can't be more
like a waffle as a sports fan, you know what
I mean, where a waffle has these sections, it's like
everything blends together. It's my sister told me about this
book where it's like men are like waffles, women are
(29:18):
like spaghetti.
Speaker 3 (29:19):
You know, where I don't.
Speaker 2 (29:20):
Know if you have a thing at your job, and
then it's this relationship with the family men, and everything's together.
You know, everything blends together. Men can separate and compartmentalize
a lot. Sports fans sure can't. I don't know what
it is. If you dislike Lebron in any capacity, about
any opinion he shared, or whatever the reason is. Somehow
(29:43):
they cannot separate that from Lebron James the basketball player,
Lebron James the athlete. It all blends together, and it's ridiculous.
You gotta separate stuff. I'll never I don't mean to
go on a rant, Jeff, but I remember doing radio
at the time when Michael Vick was back in the NFL.
This is after the dog fighting thing, and I can't
tell you how many people would call in he shouldn't
(30:05):
be considered for the MVP he was. I'm like, that
has fighting dogs, has nothing to do with his MVP credentials.
Speaker 3 (30:12):
Nothing. You gotta get over it. It doesn't even apply.
Speaker 2 (30:15):
But people are trying to shoehorn it in there, and
it's like, you gotta separate stuff, and people cannot separate
stuff when it comes to Lebron how they feel about
him and how unbelievable he's been throughout his career.
Speaker 4 (30:27):
But I don't even I understand why people would be
would be like anti Michael Vick. Okay, I don't know
what Lebron has done to where you would be anti fair.
It's like, I just don't know what he's done. He
eleven years ago he did an hour long special with
it raised three million dollars pretty for the Boys and
Girls Club. You know, I just I don't know what
(30:49):
he what he did. He's a little corny with Taco
Tuesday sometimes. I don't know. He's in mid forties, dad.
I mean, I would imagine my kids probably feel him
a little corny sometimes too. I'm not forty quite yet,
but may.
Speaker 3 (31:02):
He's definitely got an ego, he definitely.
Speaker 4 (31:04):
But who doesn't have an ego. He's he's the best
player for twenty years.
Speaker 3 (31:08):
It's been hard not to have an ego. That's fair.
But I'm just trying to I don't hate him for
these reasons.
Speaker 4 (31:13):
Why I know, but it just seems so like I
get if you don't like ex player because they had
an off the court incident, right or he said he Actually,
I think it's pretty remarkable that there's some superstars like
him that have just never had Like, think about all
the attention he's had the spotlight since he was sixteen
(31:34):
years old playing for who was who he played for?
Was it not? Okay? Okill's St Mary's Sat Mary's. Yeah,
like he was on Sports Illustrated.
Speaker 3 (31:44):
Like fifteen years old and never not one scandal.
Speaker 4 (31:48):
Scandal is his son plays with him for the Lakers.
Speaker 2 (31:50):
I know, it's wild, right, Like, and think of some
of the scandals that we've had of in recent years,
whether it's Deshaun Watson, Justin Talker, what have you could
just you know, rattle stuff off left and right.
Speaker 4 (32:03):
Justin Tucker, by the way, so innocent that he he
accepted the right.
Speaker 2 (32:07):
You know, I won't fight this ten game suspension even
though I'm completely innocent.
Speaker 3 (32:12):
That that adds up. But yeah, like.
Speaker 2 (32:16):
You could be bent over those things. That's something to
be upset about, Yeah, something to be angered about. Yeah,
but Lebron, I don't know, doing these goofy things begging
for more attention, which, yeah, you can roll your eyes
from time to time, but in comparison to those other things,
it's pretty ridiculous to really be upset about that. But yeah, man,
(32:38):
that's the way it goes. It's weird, it's strange how
that goes. But I think that factors into like put
it this way, who's who's an athlete that is so
well liked that if his son got an opportunity he
otherwise wouldn't have gotten. People wouldn't have been nearly as
upset about is there someone like Steph Curry. I don't
(33:00):
like Steph Curry's son gets an opportunity. I don't think
people would be nearly as.
Speaker 4 (33:06):
Caitlyn Clark's daughter.
Speaker 3 (33:08):
I know they would. They would be irate about that.
Speaker 4 (33:11):
It was so angry. I don't know, I don't, I
don't know. I mean, it's just so unlikely to see
because it's funny. Is I was too young for the
Griffy thing? It was anyone like when King Griffey obviously
was a Hall of fame, which makes it, you know,
if Brownie was better, I think people would look at
it a little differently because a lot of times when
father son duos have played, it's been they've both been
(33:33):
really superstars, right, been really good, and Bronnie just is not.
And again he's a backup in the NBA at best.
I'm trying think of another player that people would be
this upset if they're if they're their their kid.
Speaker 3 (33:45):
Oh as upset.
Speaker 2 (33:47):
I could come up with the athletes like that, but
the opposite like not upset. You know they're they're so popular,
you're really not upset that his got this opportunity.
Speaker 3 (33:56):
I think I think Steph could be on the list.
Steph is very well.
Speaker 4 (34:00):
Very positive, could be thinking of any like any like
football players.
Speaker 3 (34:06):
Like Mahome's kid. I don't know.
Speaker 4 (34:08):
People people would not like that. That that feels impossible
to happen. Let me think of uh, could.
Speaker 2 (34:14):
You before Aaron Rodgers kid?
Speaker 3 (34:18):
Oh tote past?
Speaker 4 (34:21):
We don't even I'm just I'm looking forward to seeing
the wife. The wife has been.
Speaker 3 (34:28):
Just hiding everything in his per.
Speaker 4 (34:31):
We've seen Otani's wife, like we've seen her before, like
she's been to some events, and yes, he does a
good job of hiding her, which is, uh, you know,
I don't know how they do it. I mean, obviously
that's incredible that that think about Towni's fame and that
we just really don't see his wife ever.
Speaker 3 (34:50):
Yeah, that's pretty wild, crazy.
Speaker 4 (34:52):
Like that's it's incredible how they're able to again it's
a great work life balance. If you can achieve that,
I mean, that's fantastic. I know some athletes just you
could do that. And oh Tani, can you know he
was like plus two fifty to one m v P
this year, Like the numbers seems so low, but I'm
gonna cash that chicken.
Speaker 3 (35:10):
Very easily, no doubt.
Speaker 2 (35:12):
Yeah, it's I haven't heard the same venom with like
Giannice's brother, you know, with Fanasis in the n b A.
Speaker 4 (35:20):
I haven't no one better is better, worse than lebron
than Brownny.
Speaker 3 (35:26):
We need to have one on one, one on one
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