July 9, 2025 • 48 mins
Jonas Knox and LaVar Arrington are back for ‘Drac & Blac,’ talking about potential for the Cowboys with CeeDee Lamb and George Pickens together. Patrick Mahomes gets fat shamed. Plus, The Old P, Petros Papadakis joins the guys after being robbed on vacation.
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
This is the best of two pros and a couple
Joe with Lamar, airings and rating Winn and Jonas Knox
on Radio.
Speaker 2 (00:34):
Black and Drag Baby, we are back.
Speaker 3 (00:41):
Like we never left. It's Lamar and I see you. Man,
Oh my gosh, that's what it is. That's Lee for
you though, I mean, Lee, what are.
Speaker 4 (00:59):
You doing sitting here to take it?
Speaker 5 (01:10):
No?
Speaker 4 (01:10):
No, there you go, all right, go back.
Speaker 2 (01:12):
It was better that way.
Speaker 4 (01:14):
That's just so, that's ridiculous.
Speaker 2 (01:19):
All right.
Speaker 4 (01:19):
So for those of you always loves, I'll tell you what.
Speaker 2 (01:22):
So for those of you, those of you listening wondering
why we're laughing. So the zoom camera was set up,
but it was facing the wrong chair, so there's just
an empty chair. LaVar is trying to figure out, like
where are you? And I'm talking and it looked like
a vampire move to where you just can't see anybody
sitting in the chair except the voice. You can't see me.
(01:43):
But the problem is the camera's pointed at the wrong chair.
Speaker 4 (01:47):
Okay, Lee, you can go back. It's okay to go back. Bro.
Speaker 2 (01:51):
Joke is over, dab, but it is Lamar Rrington and
Jonas Knox here. You can listen to. This show is
always on the iHeartRadio app. You can find us on
hundreds of affiliates all across the country and wherever you
are making us a part of your Wednesday morning, we
appreciate it. We are going to take you all the
way up until nine am Eastern time six o'clock Pacific.
Speaker 4 (02:11):
What up sticks, Good morning.
Speaker 2 (02:15):
It feels like we were just here.
Speaker 3 (02:19):
Oh man, the thoughts you have once you've lived the
good life.
Speaker 4 (02:25):
I tell you what, boy, I mean. Look, I don't
have the.
Speaker 3 (02:31):
Words to explain to you how I'm feeling right the
moment I woke up this morning.
Speaker 4 (02:36):
I just don't have the words for you.
Speaker 5 (02:37):
Bro.
Speaker 4 (02:38):
I will Hey, we're back. This is our slot.
Speaker 2 (02:40):
So we've been filling in various spots throughout the morning lineup.
It was Dan Patrick, then it was Colin Cowherd. Then
we're back with filling in on the Herd the past
couple of days. And I will say this something that
jumped out to me right off the bat. You notice
drunk drivers more at two in the morning than you
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do at seven in the morning.
Speaker 4 (03:04):
I'm going to make it home. Well, yeah, you're going
to work.
Speaker 2 (03:06):
Yeah, I don't know if anybody's driving drunk on the
roads of southern California, especially trying to get to the
four h five to come into the studio at seven
thirty in the morning.
Speaker 4 (03:16):
Oh please, yeah, the main one coming in.
Speaker 2 (03:23):
I don't know about that, but I do know this.
I saw a guy swerving in and out of lanes,
and there's no possible way unless he just didn't have hands.
There's no possible way that that dude was at home.
It's like, but it's so much more noticeable because there's
no cars on the road, and so that that jumped
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out to be.
Speaker 4 (03:44):
Immediately bobbing in and out of out of lanes with
no traffic.
Speaker 2 (03:47):
It's a uh yeah, it is a whole nother world, man,
this time, so I won't say that that's a whole
other world, but.
Speaker 3 (03:54):
You know, yeah, you gotta work through it. It's almost
like therapy to show I have to work through being.
Speaker 4 (04:02):
Back at this. Damn I'm looking at that.
Speaker 3 (04:09):
Dan and Colin like you mother efforts, Like what a
great life you guys have. Boy, I tell you what
this grind is real? Hey man, When that alarm goes
off and you realize that you're barely into the next day,
like when you realize that you got to get to
work and you have to debate whether this am part
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of the day is the next day or if it's
still the day before. You're in no man's land. That's
it's a it's an interesting territory to be in.
Speaker 5 (04:46):
Yeah, it is.
Speaker 4 (04:47):
It is very confusing.
Speaker 2 (04:48):
I know when I was doing weekend overnights, it was
always trying to figure out if it was still Saturday
night or Sunday morning, depending on where you are, and
the fact that it's national You've got people all over
the country and I mean, listen, it's even early morning
time in Hawaii. That's how that's how odd this time
slot is. And there they're like three hours behind. So right,
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it's uh.
Speaker 3 (05:12):
Just now hitting, it's just now hitting the next day.
And theory we're almost a Tuesday Hawaii.
Speaker 2 (05:22):
Yeah, yeah, ten minutes ago was Tuesday. They were doing
Taco Tuesday.
Speaker 4 (05:27):
In Honolulu on the Big Malard Man.
Speaker 2 (05:30):
On the Tiki tourch Fox Sports nine to ninety of
the Hawaiian Islands, but.
Speaker 3 (05:34):
On the East coast where Dan Patrick's show. And that
that's a little again, a little bit more sleep, a
little bit more alert, a little bit more ready to go,
but we're ready to go. I mean this is good.
This is a sport all in itself. You know how
we asked is is Joey Chess not an athlete and
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is eating food professionally a sport? And then we broke
down with sports words like physical exertion and competition, like
we are competing against other radio shows, right, and the
physical exertion of having to get up when we get up.
People might think that's easy unless you're someone who works overnights.
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Like if you work overnight, whatever it is that you do,
and listen. I don't claim to be digging no ditches.
So shouts out to anybody who's doing super crazy physical labor,
like literally labor. But there is a physical exertion. You know,
you got to you gotta deliver the goods on the air.
You gotta have the great energy when you're doing it.
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There's so many elements that you got to pull together
on live radio, and you know, it's it's quite a challenge.
Speaker 4 (06:44):
You know we're live. That red light means it is live.
Speaker 3 (06:47):
There is no takebacks and do overs and oh, run
the prompter back. You might've had a bad read, do
it again, like no, you gotta you have to be
ready to crack this mic and do what.
Speaker 4 (07:00):
You do like you do it for TV, like you
do it.
Speaker 3 (07:03):
For radio, because you're doing it for the masses. So
that's the part of it that gets me going. Otherwise,
you being drack would not be enough for Black. Yeah,
I'm gonna say, yeah, I'll still be sleeping. The hell
with this if it wasn't for all of that, The
hell with this. I like competing, you know.
Speaker 2 (07:27):
So that being said, let's talk about a fun little
competition that's going to be had in the NFL this
upcoming season. And that's because we've got ourselves an interesting storyline,
and I would say a perfect storyline. This is the
perfect perfect storyline in the National Football League coming up
this year. So Dak Prescott, the quarterback of the Dallas Cowboys,
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LeVar Arrington number one on the Dak Prescott fan club
train that rolls around town every NFL season. Dak Prescott
spoke about the opportunity to throw to not only Cede Lamb,
but also George Pickens. This was the Cowboys quarterback breaking
it down.
Speaker 6 (08:12):
That's two guys that want the other guy to succeed
just as much saying it first hand, just them two
hanging out and me the bystandard. I'll go in the house,
you know, purposely for a little bit, you know, and
just preaking at them. They love each other, they love
each other's company, they love each other's game. To be
the guy that gets to get them the ball. It's
exciting as hell because you can turn on O TA
tapes and one of the guys the balls in there
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and the other ones got his hands up celebrating already.
Speaker 2 (08:35):
So that was Dak Prescott talking about the early reviews
on George Pickens Ceedee Lamb as a wide receiver duo
for the Dallas Cowboys. It's the perfect Cowboys storyline going
into the season because you've got potential for explosions, and
you've got potential for implosions. This is exactly what the
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Cowboys need because it's all nice. Now, this is great.
This is a wonderful story to discuss. You've got two
wide receivers mono imano but really supporting each other and
rallying around each other. And then the reality sets in
that George Pickens needs a deal and he needs to
produce in order to get that monster deal. He's looking
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for and if he's not getting the ball and Dak
goes to his favorite target, which is Ceedee Lamb, there's
going to be an issue at some point during the
course of the season. There's going to be an issue.
And it's exactly why it's the perfect Cowboy combo because
it's the Dallas Cowboys. Tell Micah Parsons, hey man, look
whatever you sign your deal, that's awesome. Just know multiple
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times throughout the course of the season you're going to
be asked about George Pickens' behavior. That's how this is
going to go. It's perfect for Dallas. It's the perfect
Cowboys storyline for the year.
Speaker 3 (09:50):
Do you realize they have three tylers starting on their
offensive front? Really kind of interesting three tylers and they
are some big do they have a very big offensive line.
The reason why I start there is it's going to
be vitally important, super critical that these guys are able
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to protect Dak Prescott. Now as it applies to Pickens
and Ceedee Lamb, I really believe that there is a major,
major opportunity here for both of them to do some
really really amazing things for their careers. Ceedee Lamb, while
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more often than not he was praised for showing toughness
because he pushed through that shoulder injury last year and
really really continued to try to be a catalyst for
this team. But there were moments that you know, where
you saw him on camera and out of context. If
you don't have the proper context, you would think that
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this was a disgruntled player and it was being directed
directly at Dak Prescott because of a route, because of
him not getting the target. Whatever it may have been,
it just was. It came across as he had an
issue with something that was going on with Dak Prescott
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as it applied to him. Now, how that plays out internally,
what their relationship looks like, you know that's between them.
Speaker 4 (11:29):
But you added George Pickens and he.
Speaker 3 (11:31):
Has been labeled a malcontent, He has been labeled a
guy that isn't necessarily a locker room guy. Are these
things true? Pickens gets the opportunity to actually paint a
different picture of who he is. Ceedee Lamb doesn't have
to paint a different picture. Ceedee Lamb just has to
continue to be Ceedee Lamb and maybe for the sake
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of the team limits some of the things that people
are able to see on camera. That's for the sake
again of Dak Prescott and of the optics of what
their relationship is and where this team is. I think
there's a lot of positive that the Dallas Cowboys.
Speaker 4 (12:12):
Can take into this season.
Speaker 3 (12:14):
But looking at the lineup the rundown when talking about,
you know, the team, I think it's very very fair
to say, is this team set up for explosion or implosion?
I think it's a very very fair assessment, or I
should say, a very fair question to ask, because you
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could clearly see this being a team that goes in
the right direction. It may be very difficult for Dak
Prescott to mess it up with the amount of weapons
he has, the quality he has in lamb and pickings.
But at the same time, there is the thought people
would be lying if they didn't feel as though there's.
Speaker 4 (12:57):
The thought that they could mess it up.
Speaker 2 (13:00):
Also that yeah, and I think you're gonna get a
little bit of both. There's gonna be plays where you
look at him and go, damn, this might be one
of the better wide receiver combos in the league. And
then there's gonna be outbursts or somebody getting pissed that
they're not getting the ball or somebody, because look, I mean,
Jake Ferguson is one of the more underrated tight ends
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in the league, and he's put together some strong years.
Last year I think was a little bit down. But
Jake Ferguson's a guy that Dak Prescott's targeted and had
good numbers with. And so there has to be a
realness to George Pickens understanding where he's at. He was
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traded away. There's a thought about him as a player
of malcontent or somebody that maybe it's just too much
trouble to deal with the talent Pittsburgh gets rid of him. Well,
if he doesn't produce this year, he's not gonna get
that deal that he's looking for. And so at some point,
if George, you know, if Ceedee Lamb is going off
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and Dak Prescott and ceedeelamb just continue with their great chemistry.
Speaker 4 (14:04):
I find it hard to wear on him. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (14:07):
Yeah, And that's why I look at it and I go,
this is awesome. And they can celebrate and be happy
for each other all they want. But if I'm George Pickens,
I'm also looking at the reality of my career and understanding, look, man,
I gotta get mine. I gotta produce, and I just
think at some point that's gonna pop up at some
point during the year. And then it's gonna be Dak Prescott,
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and it's gonna be Brian Schottenheimer, and it's gonna be
all the other Cowboys are gonna have to answer for it.
Jerry Jones doing multiple interviews a week, probably gonna be
asked about it. Like, I just think that that's going
to pop up. And so because of that, they're an
interesting storyline as they usually are to watch, because there's
this thing that could go off at any moment. When
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you add George Pickens and at the same time, you
know he could he could, you know, have ten grabs
for two hundred yards and three touchdowns. It could go
one of two ways, and I think it's going.
Speaker 4 (15:00):
To go both.
Speaker 3 (15:02):
This is going to take a level of trust, it's
going to take a level of maturity, and it's going
to take a nice amount of professionalism for it to
make sense. Because you have two ball dominant receivers. There's
nothing wrong with wanting that. I mean, if you think
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about when Joe Montana had the success that he said
or he had when he was playing a lot of
people don't talk about John Taylor, they don't bring up
his name. But if you don't have a John Taylor
Jerry Rice, I would.
Speaker 4 (15:39):
Argue it.
Speaker 3 (15:42):
Intensely, fiercely that Jerry Rice is not able to have
the type of career that he was able to have,
and maybe people forget the name John Taylor. Maybe people
don't bring up the relevance of what he represented to
that forty ninety Niners run of dominance, but very ball dominant,
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but very quiet and for what it was worth. You know,
Jerry Rice was quiet as well. And you had two
very very fine receivers that were were just cooking. It
just comes down well, yeah, I mean you had a
lot of You had a lot of depth on that team.
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They had a strong offensive line. That's where I started.
Starts in the trenches. They had Big Ray Brown and
them guys up front, and they had Rathman. That was
when they still had fullbacks in the game. And like
you said, nobody ran the ball like Roger Craig. I mean,
here's a couple of guys that I just really enjoyed
running the ball. Roger Craig, Eric Metcalf, you know rival
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that that type of running style. I said, the closest
thing I've seen to the way they run these days
is Aaron Aaron Jones. I just I think the potential
of what is coming to the table with this Cowboys
team they can be I really believe the NFC East
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is going to actually have a movement positively towards the
being maybe possibly again once again the most competitive division
in the NFL. It has the makings of that has
the handwriting on the wall that this could be a
tremendously competitive division from top to bottom in the National
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Football League. This year, they've made some really fine moves,
like Washington took a very definitive step forward last year.
You could see the change of culture. The coaching staff
has done a great job. Quinn did a great job
of bringing in good guys, and the ownership group has
changed the culture allowing Quinn to actually create that type
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of environment. They've responded. They got a superstar the quarterback.
You look at the Giants, I mentioned that I think
their defense is going to be nasty, and the defensive
front good luck on having time doing things with that
group of guys trying to neutralize them. It's not enough
guys along the line to block all of those guys
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and not have your quarterback be stressed out. So good
luck with that. And it's going to be interesting to
see what they look like on offense. And then we
know what we're getting out of Philly. We know exactly
what we're going to get out of Philly. That's going
to be a team that continues to be a very,
very good team. Now you look at Dallas and they
have all of the makings of being a competitive team.
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So now you're looking at it like, Okay, definitively, yes,
the Eagles are the number one team, but when you
look at the rest of the NFC East, I think
it's going to be a dog fight for number two.
And I'm not so sure that the third and fourth
team in the division this year isn't a ridiculously competitive team.
They just weren't as good as the teams that are
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one and two in the division.
Speaker 2 (19:03):
Yeah, should be, It should be fun to watch it.
Speaker 1 (19:05):
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Speaker 2 (19:19):
Patrick Mahomes' trainer took to social media and basically called
out a gentleman by the name of Kevin Keatsman, who
is a sports personality in the Kansas City area. He's
got a podcast called Kevin Keatsman has Issues, And you're
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probably wonder like, why would he have an issue with him? Like,
why would he have an issue with this guy of
all people? Like as we were getting ready for training
camp and whatnot. Well, I mean, let's take a listen.
Speaker 7 (19:49):
Vacation photos are popping up with Patrick Mahomes and he's fat.
He's an embarrassment. You're a five hundred million dollar quarterback.
You've made all these comments in the off season that
we're going to do our talking on the field. We
got our butts kicked in the Super Bowl. We're coming
back with a vengeance. Dude, you're fat. Your belly would
be fat at my pool hanging out with us sixty
year olds.
Speaker 2 (20:08):
Okay, my skin's flabby in yours.
Speaker 5 (20:11):
I get it.
Speaker 7 (20:12):
Stop stop the fast food, do a sit up, do something. Yeah,
I'm sure he's worked out and strengthened his arm, and
he's done all kinds of different things quarterback things. But
there's no training to this. Man, I don't understand it.
He's not a kid anymore. You can't just run through
your NFL career eating taco bell all the time and
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door dashing fried chicken, which he loves from that one
place over in Leewood where he gets it all the time.
Speaker 4 (20:40):
It's time, dude, It's time.
Speaker 2 (20:44):
So that was Kevin Keatsman.
Speaker 4 (20:47):
Tell us how you really feel about Patrick went home?
Speaker 2 (20:49):
Good old fashioned fat shaming of Patrick Mahomes.
Speaker 3 (20:58):
Is he referencing Is he referencing the vacation picks of
Patrick Mahomes being on the boat with his wife. I
don't know, really, it is those pictures. I like, Man,
he's not he's I mean, first of all, let's start here.
Speaker 4 (21:17):
Name me five, five greatest.
Speaker 3 (21:23):
Quarterbacks to ever play this game that had amazing bodies.
Name me five, Tom Brady and who Joe Montana and
Peyton Manning And.
Speaker 4 (21:40):
Where are we going? We want to go next? Joe Burrow.
Speaker 3 (21:43):
And this might sound horrible after that man just said
fried chicken and all that stuff, But.
Speaker 4 (21:51):
I mean, is it generally only.
Speaker 3 (21:55):
I mean the top of the top, upper echelance quarterbacks
that are in the conversation they're probably black quarterbacks. Lamar
Jackson's probably built like an athlete. Michael Vick probably built
like an.
Speaker 2 (22:10):
Athlete's what he's trying to say. We can't be built.
Speaker 3 (22:14):
I'm just saying, generally speaking, white quarterback, white quarterbacks don't
come in as like specimens. That's that's why people fall
out over how Brady Quinn is built. Because Brady's built
like Brady's built well. But I mean, when you start
talking about the best of the best that have ever,
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what Brady's built like? Like, Uh, he's built like he's
a strong built dude. Like especially when he played, he
looked like a linebacker or safety. I mean that's just
what it is. I mean, is that out is that
out of pocket? While that face?
Speaker 4 (22:52):
I'm just helping Why you stopped? Why pause?
Speaker 2 (22:56):
Because I wanted to give it enough time to breathe
so we could isolate that drop and have it for
future references. I'm always thinking ahead for what.
Speaker 4 (23:02):
Did I say? Brady's got a good body, that's got
a good bye? I mean, where's the.
Speaker 5 (23:06):
Lie, Brad.
Speaker 3 (23:07):
It's well built, it is well bill, and it is
well it's well received when we're all out together, I
mean you could see that people recognize the fact that
he built well by the.
Speaker 2 (23:18):
I just think this whole idea that you look at.
First of all, I don't care what anybody does on
their vacation, and I have to look on their vacation photos.
I couldn't care less if you want to if you
want to stand on a boat with your shirt off
and you know, two uh sleeves of pringles, like do
what you gotta do? Like the idea that we're going
to question, well, you know, Patrick Mahomes is a physical
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fitness and whatnot. He's literally off to the greatest start
in the history of the NFL at the quarterback position.
We were talking about it yesterday. All that he knows
is AFC title game, overtime losses or Super Bowls. That's it.
And I don't care if he's got no abs. I
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don't whatever he's doing that works. You don't have to be,
to your point, jacked and tore up from the floor
up to be a great quarterback. So this idea like
this is all of a sudden an indictment of Patrick
Mahomes and how successful he could be as a quarterback
because he was on vacation and his abs looked a
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little flabby. Who cares? What that has nothing to do
with anything? Who cares that?
Speaker 4 (24:30):
Man said, you're an adult, now.
Speaker 2 (24:33):
What it is it is?
Speaker 3 (24:36):
I mean there's like, yeah, I think this is one
of those moments where.
Speaker 4 (24:41):
Which, by the way, the more I get.
Speaker 3 (24:43):
Into our topics and the more I look at what's
going on in sports, it isn't a slow time in sports.
Speaker 4 (24:49):
It's just not football season.
Speaker 3 (24:52):
I think that's what maybe people need to start, you know,
kind of how they need to think about this time
of the year. It's not it's definitely still a very
very significant part of the year for sports, especially if
you're a baseball fan. It's just it's a it's an
interesting time of the year. But it's also that time
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of the year where you look at guys in the
National Football League and you're looking at the storylines. I
think it's just as important to a football season talking
about these preseason storylines before we get there, because people
can make their their judgments. They can you know, do
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their their prognosticating on what they think somebody's going to do,
you know, forecasting what a team or a player is
going to do. I mean, fat shaming came Deebo Samuel's
way probably warranted. He looked a little, a little heavy
afoot running his routes, like like he was bouncing more
than gliding. But again, all the it.
Speaker 2 (25:58):
Looked like that, you got like he's varuk assault.
Speaker 3 (26:02):
Hey bruh, he was bouncing, he was he wasn't glad.
And that's all I'm gonna say. I mean, that's just
the observation of the film that came out of their camp.
But but nonetheless, the bottom line here is is that
you still the greatest thing I've always said about about
sports is as much as you can talk about something
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a topic like okay, you want to focus in on
on Patrick Mahomes's body and the way it looks, which,
by the way, I don't recall ever seeing him without
a shirt on to begin with.
Speaker 4 (26:34):
Anyway, I don't even have a comp.
Speaker 3 (26:37):
So maybe this guy has a comp and can say
what he saw before doesn't look like what he looked
like you know today, you know on on the boat.
But that's Patrick Mahomes, And it would take a whole
lot of proving that that him gaining weight, if that
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is indeed the truth is something that impacts the way
he plays, like I'm going to give just like everybody
else is most likely going to give Patrick Mahomes the
benefit of the doubt.
Speaker 2 (27:13):
It's not the NBA. He's not running up and down
the court like you want. This guy.
Speaker 3 (27:17):
If he wants to throw that out there, I think
that's more of him looking for a storyline that could catch.
We caught onto it and we're we're commenting on it, Jonas.
But in reality, the quarterback position you don't have to
look like in Adonis for one and for two.
Speaker 4 (27:37):
In fact, it's actually what most people would say.
Speaker 3 (27:42):
It would be a drawback if you're too yoked up
because you can't be tight. It's like a boxer. You
see a boxer that's yoked up, it's like, oh, it
looks good, but that's not functioning. That's not a functioning
body type. Like some of the best boxers had bad bodies,
and it was because they're able to to like torque
their bodies a certain type of way.
Speaker 4 (28:04):
There's a flexibility there. It's working muscle.
Speaker 3 (28:08):
Then, so saw a dude badly built whooped the hell
out of somebody who you think is yoked up. They
could lift the gym, but they can't. It's not it's
not athletically functionable mot muscles.
Speaker 2 (28:20):
I think mixed martial arts change the way you view
who a real badass is and who a real great
athlete is. And I say that because if you go
back to the early UFC days, when Hoyst Gracy came around,
everyone was like, this is this guy. He's fighting all
the He's fighting all these jacked up, gassed up sham.
Speaker 3 (28:42):
Rock was joked up, but he could he could get
down to course.
Speaker 2 (28:46):
Of course. But hoys Gracie had a submission game to
where it was like, man, he didn't have a body
you looked at like an Adonis, and he was going
out there strangling guys in that.
Speaker 3 (28:55):
He didn't show you his body either. He kept his
gee on him and he ain't play around.
Speaker 2 (28:59):
And he was doing that when it was tournament styled
where you had to fight multiple times in a night.
If you go to look up the name fad or
a million Ako, absolutely one of the greatest heavyweights of
all time in the history of mixed martial arts. Never
fought in the UFC, But look at that guy, look
at his body and go who is he? Oh, I
don't know, just a destroyer beat everybody in their prime,
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like didn't have a body that you So this idea
that you.
Speaker 3 (29:24):
Could be the league after him, wasn't the league called
fad or No, what was league called?
Speaker 2 (29:31):
Uh, there's been a bunch, there's been.
Speaker 4 (29:33):
There was there was one like that, though it sounded
like that there was.
Speaker 3 (29:37):
A fade or Belatore, Belatore, Bellatore.
Speaker 2 (29:42):
Uh. Yeah, there was also Elite XC. There was a
whole bunch of them. But it's just this idea that
you can look at somebody's appearance and go, oh, I
know whether or not that guy is going to be
good dude. You could go to any twenty four hour
fitness anywhere in the country and find somebody who looks
the part and then have them hand them a football
and say, hey, do what Patrick Mahomes does, and they'll
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get laughed off the field like this this idea, it's the.
Speaker 4 (30:06):
Funniest thing, you know.
Speaker 3 (30:07):
Where you can see it at the beach, it is
the funniest. Oh, they be having on their little shorts
and they're always closest to the water, you know, so
they can be in front of everybody so people can
see it. Right, So they be right in front of
the water. They have their their football and they'll be
running around and muscles be popping out everywhere and sun
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tanned lotion.
Speaker 4 (30:32):
And sweating all this stuff. Like pause.
Speaker 3 (30:35):
I mean, I'm just giving y'all a visual cause I'd
be sitting there like, dang, these dudes is really out
here like thirst trapping these people, right, and then they
throw the ball and it's like, oh, damn, I ain't
played a day of football in their life. Then you
see the dude catch the ball. Ain't played down of
football in their lives. Built like models like Tommy Hill,
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figure models, whatever, but they ain't played no ball, you know.
Speaker 4 (31:00):
Anyway, point is like there's a.
Speaker 3 (31:03):
Lot of topics out there that that guy could have focused.
Speaker 4 (31:08):
Then on, But choosing that hill to.
Speaker 3 (31:12):
To start a battle, I don't it just I mean,
for what it's, it's it's almost a laughable conversation to
be basically saying that Patrick Mahomes isn't in the.
Speaker 4 (31:27):
Best of shape.
Speaker 3 (31:28):
It's fat, and you can't be prepared or ready to
go compete for Super Bowl looking the way that he
looks like. That's a that to me, that's an asinine argument.
It's an asinine discussion.
Speaker 2 (31:41):
Listen, there's only one person in the history of this
show that's allowed to fat shame anybody, and that's me. Well,
that's principal Joe Clark. Principal Joe Clark is the only
man who's allowed to fat shame anybody on this show. Well,
he's been given that, he's been given a pass. He's
been told that he can do whatever the hell he
wants when it comes to uh bearing anybody that's got
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a little bit of a weight problem, even kids, if
he's got a kid, if he's got a kid in school,
and that kid in school, that kid in.
Speaker 8 (32:12):
School, what's it doing hanging out with you boys?
Speaker 5 (32:15):
You're all senior.
Speaker 8 (32:17):
Everyone climbed out on a radios off instantaneously, already instantaneously.
I want all of you to look at this, slovenly,
sloppy boy.
Speaker 4 (32:32):
Here, sloppy boy.
Speaker 2 (32:37):
That's the only guy who's given a pass when it
comes to fat shaming, Joe Clark. You are giving the
green light whenever you want to fat sham on this show.
And it can only be that Still.
Speaker 4 (32:47):
Still is a chubby dude.
Speaker 3 (32:48):
Though Man Still was chubby and in every movie he
was in Man, He's a little chubby boy. Man Og
in the in the in the acting game definitely was
always fun of the way he was built.
Speaker 1 (33:02):
Be sure to catch live editions of Two Pros and
a Cup of Joe with Brady Quinn, LeVar Errington, and
Jonas Knox weekdays at six am Eastern three am Pacific.
Speaker 2 (33:13):
Right now, we turn it over to the man himself,
the one and only Petros papadakas the co host of
the Petros and Money Show, which you can hear on
the Blowtorch AM five seventy l A. Sports Fox college
football analysts get him on X at the old p Petros.
Good morning, how are we feeling?
Speaker 5 (33:28):
Good morning? Sorry about that.
Speaker 9 (33:30):
I've been on vacation and uh, obviously a little slow
to get back to the real world, but I'm back
at work today.
Speaker 2 (33:36):
No, You're good.
Speaker 4 (33:37):
Don't worry right now.
Speaker 2 (33:40):
How was uh? How was vaccause? You're you don't really robbed?
You don't. You don't really like him?
Speaker 5 (33:46):
I stole my wallet out of my car.
Speaker 4 (33:48):
Oh, you were literally robbed.
Speaker 5 (33:50):
Yes, that was robbed, credit cards and stuff like that.
Speaker 9 (33:56):
Damn well, I've always robbed of my happiness by my family,
but other than that, this time I was really robbed.
Speaker 2 (34:04):
Because I've talked to you before about it, and you
don't really like traveling, you don't.
Speaker 5 (34:08):
No, No, I just drove to San Diego though.
Speaker 4 (34:11):
It's a big deal. Yeah, well, did they get your
real ID? Yeah?
Speaker 5 (34:15):
Well I don't know.
Speaker 3 (34:15):
No, I mean, even if I have, I'm just cure
you didn't go get your real ID yet.
Speaker 5 (34:21):
I don't know. I went to the DMV a couple
of years back, but probably not.
Speaker 3 (34:25):
A real ID has like a little beer on it
or something like that.
Speaker 4 (34:29):
For California.
Speaker 5 (34:30):
Well, I got to get it canceled either way.
Speaker 4 (34:32):
So yeah, no, I got robbed you though.
Speaker 9 (34:35):
But now I'm back. I'm back in the city and
I'm ready to work today.
Speaker 2 (34:41):
So good and just in time.
Speaker 4 (34:44):
Dodgers haven't returned, Just.
Speaker 2 (34:47):
In time for the Dodgers.
Speaker 5 (34:48):
How many straight is that?
Speaker 4 (34:50):
Is that?
Speaker 5 (34:50):
Five straight? They've lost us straight?
Speaker 9 (34:53):
Yeah, they got swept by Hugh Stone who came in
and put it on him. And then yesterday they only
Gordon one run. O Tawny had a home run. But
they lost in Milwaukee, and they lost a game one
in Milwaukee.
Speaker 5 (35:07):
So today is the getaway day. It's an early game in.
Speaker 9 (35:10):
Milwaukee, and they stopped hitting, you know, they they sure,
every once in a while a pitcher goes up there
and gets his boobs ripped off. But for the most part,
it's it's you never heard that term before. No, they
never learned that term. That was a I never knew
that term either, but it was a bait. I lived
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with baseball players when I was first at USC because
I was ineligible from a transfer and I was white,
so I didn't really know anybody on the team.
Speaker 4 (35:39):
Wait, you're white.
Speaker 5 (35:41):
Yeah, I know, it's crazy that.
Speaker 9 (35:45):
That's what Jim Harbaughs sounded exactly like when I told
him Toby Gerhart was white right when he got the
Stanford job.
Speaker 2 (35:51):
Wait, why Gerhart's white?
Speaker 5 (35:53):
Yep, that's what he said. Man.
Speaker 4 (35:54):
I was today years old when I knew that. Man,
I thought he was light skinned.
Speaker 5 (35:58):
That's a true story, though, I mean I was.
Speaker 9 (36:00):
Well first, let's let's unpack this first many many years ago.
Speaker 4 (36:06):
I was.
Speaker 9 (36:08):
I was the USC analyst on the local, back when
we really used to do local sports cable TV, like
local programming at night, local programming all the time.
Speaker 5 (36:19):
They don't do it anymore.
Speaker 9 (36:20):
But USC was about to play Michigan in a Rose Bowl.
Pete Carroll would have been the head coach. So it's
probably like going into two thousand, going into the two
thousand five season. This is the end of the two
thousand and four season, so I think USC's playing Michigan
in a Rose Bowl. So Jim Harbaugh, who just took
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the Stanford job from USD, was hired to be the
Michigan analyst guy, and I was the USC analyst guy.
So I just sat up there with Harbaugh and he
had just gotten the job, like two days before, had
accepted the Stanford job. And I remember sitting in with
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him and he's like, well, who's on my team? You know,
because I had called a couple of Stanford games that year.
I think Walt Harris or somebody was to call Buddy
Tevens or some terrible failure.
Speaker 5 (37:16):
Uh And uh.
Speaker 9 (37:17):
I said, well, you know, you got the kid Delano
Howel from Hart Highs and aggressive kind of safety or whatever.
And Toby Gerhardt, you know, the running back on a Norco,
the white kid.
Speaker 5 (37:29):
He goes, he's white. We don't want them to get
out ended up the Hallway.
Speaker 9 (37:37):
Probably should have won the Heisman, you know, over mark
Ingram who had a great year too.
Speaker 5 (37:41):
But yeah, that was funny. He is white. But what
was the other one?
Speaker 2 (37:49):
By the way, I didn't realize Toby Garrett the other one.
Speaker 9 (37:52):
Yeah, no, the other one running back would have been
like Christian McCaffrey.
Speaker 5 (37:57):
But the booms being ripped off was that was a
baseball thing.
Speaker 9 (38:02):
Like I lived with baseball players and you know, they'd
be playing north Ridge on a Tuesday night, you know,
come back seven hours later because the bats are made
of metal, ping pong and in baseball and college baseball,
and I'd say, you know, did you guys win or whatever?
Speaker 5 (38:19):
No Etherton got his boobs ripped off? I like, what
what happened? You know? Or he got his tse lit.
You know they used to say that to.
Speaker 3 (38:32):
Other other running back. I'm big tenor so you got
to throw Mike Alstart in there. I mean, that's just
for me college wise. I just I got to make
sure that I throw my boy in there.
Speaker 1 (38:41):
But he.
Speaker 9 (38:45):
Was a he was a ball carrier, but oftentimes he
lined up at the full back position.
Speaker 5 (38:53):
They did you know his agility, Oh he was one. No,
don't get me wrong.
Speaker 3 (38:57):
But people didn't realize howe and how Fristy was.
Speaker 5 (39:02):
Yes, he had great feet and he had a real quick.
Speaker 2 (39:05):
Burst, but the most important attribute was that he's white.
Speaker 9 (39:13):
To me, the most important attribute at all start was
the fact that he didn't line up a tailback often.
I mean, if they wanted to give estimated it right right,
if they wanted to give him the ball like consistently,
then he'd get he'd get in at tailback and then
he do position. But a lot of the time, you know,
he was running the ball from the full back position
or just playing or just playing a traditional fullback and
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doing all the other fullback stuff.
Speaker 5 (39:38):
He was pretty remarkable. He really was.
Speaker 9 (39:41):
Yeah, I loved him as a back, but it was
really interesting because a lot of what he did was
from maybe in a more traditional offense two or three
yards deep at the full back position, you know, right
behind the quarterback. And that's hard. I mean, yeah, you're
right up into the line of scrimmage quickly. But for
a guy with really good feet that can stop and
start like him and move, that's not exactly where you
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want to be easy. Yeah, and he was really able
when he ran the ball from closer to the line
of scrimmage. I mean, that's really remarkable because I don't
think there's been I mean, I saw a kid in
college who I've never gotten over, and he's one of
the greatest players I've ever seen, and he's probably like
blowing people up with a computer.
Speaker 5 (40:25):
Keyboard.
Speaker 9 (40:25):
Now he's an Air Force player, a white kid who
played fullback for them, and I think he had like
at least one two thousand yard season, maybe close.
Speaker 5 (40:38):
Brad Roberts was his name.
Speaker 9 (40:40):
He blew me away, like that kid blew me away
because he didn't look like anything. Like he didn't look
like anything, and he was right up in there, you know,
and you'd give him the ball and every one yard
run became a four yard run almost to where you
didn't even notice. And then you'd be like Jesus and
like you'd never even see him break free. But you
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look at the stats at the end of the game
and what he was able to do for a season
and how he kept coming, and that was pretty remarkable.
But he was but he was such a forward leaning back,
a stilted back.
Speaker 2 (41:14):
I remember that guy.
Speaker 5 (41:15):
Yeah, he was unbelievable.
Speaker 9 (41:16):
Look up of stats, but he was like a stilted back,
right like leaning forward, like if no one was there
to tackle him, just like me, it was likely he'd
fall forward.
Speaker 5 (41:25):
Anyway. But it's true. But but all start.
Speaker 9 (41:33):
That's what was remarkable about him bringing it up is
that a lot of the time when he ran the
ball close to the line of scrimmage, he was able
to stop and start and that's really hard to do.
Speaker 4 (41:45):
But yeah, you change directions.
Speaker 3 (41:46):
Yeah, He's and stuff, and people was making business decisions
when they was like, it was like.
Speaker 4 (41:53):
Oh there he is.
Speaker 10 (41:56):
Like he'd appear, like you said, he get the ball
so quick, he'd appear you'd be like by the time
you realized that you had to knuckle up for him,
he's already pasted you.
Speaker 4 (42:07):
But anyways, I'm a big mike all stop.
Speaker 2 (42:10):
He was great.
Speaker 5 (42:12):
Hell Us was good too.
Speaker 3 (42:14):
He wore the same he wore the same face mask.
I did the bulldog muzzle. You know, we haven't brought
that into existence, you.
Speaker 4 (42:21):
Know what I mean. Send me a bulldog muzzle, send me.
Speaker 5 (42:24):
A photo of it. I'll buy one. Uh my uh.
Speaker 9 (42:28):
I did an Arkansas game once where their backfield was
Houston Nutt was the coach. Their backfield was Peyton Hillis
who returned punts. Uh Felix Jones and and uh McFadden.
Yeah that's crazy, like and they lost by seventy points
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to USC. I'll never forget we did that. Uh we
had we had Arkansas And it was like the very
first game or the second game of the year where
they were really special the beginning of the two thousand
and five season where every the world was about Matt
(43:12):
Leiner and Reggie Bush and Lindale and Dwayne Jarrett and.
Speaker 5 (43:17):
These teams were filled with superstars.
Speaker 9 (43:20):
This is the year they ended up losing that game
to Texas and the Rose Bowl, but the very first
game of the year, they're playing Arkansas. Okay, you know,
I don't know a lot of SEC teams. I mean
this is and this is before the SEC. I mean
it's around that time when the SEC was starting to
build their strength. USC was dominating college football. Oklahoma was
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really good. And I remember being in the meeting with
Houston Nutt and I forget the name of their their decordinator.
His first name was Reggie and he was like a
big old southern white guy too, and they were just
preaching like this USC they're another They're like a They're
like a medio grid cee CE team.
Speaker 5 (44:00):
We're gonna be five.
Speaker 9 (44:02):
I'll tell you what thing you won't see you won't
see guys just running free out there. And I was like,
I was sitting in the meeting, and I want you know,
I'm not a Homer broadcaster, and if anything, I'm worse
than that and or the other way.
Speaker 5 (44:17):
And I was like, yeah, this sounds about right.
Speaker 9 (44:20):
You know, these guys are gonna come and slap USC
in the hand, show Pete Carroll teach them a little something, right,
Just in the back of my mind, I said, this
guy might know what he's talking about.
Speaker 5 (44:29):
The game was literally seventy to seven.
Speaker 9 (44:34):
Like the fact that they said no one was gonna
be running free was like the prophecy that everybody was
going to be running free. Like I don't know whether
everybody was running free. They scored seventy points, I believe,
crazy man. And I never go down on the field
after a game unless I have to do an interview
or something. I went down on the field just to
see if I could catch eye contact with the decordinator, Like, hey,
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remember when you said just because it was so it
was such a contrast to what would happen. But it
was amazing that they had that backfield and they couldn't
even generate first down.
Speaker 2 (45:10):
I remember going to a USC Washington game when Tyrone
Willingham was the coach at Washington and it was at
the coliseum and betting on Washington because they were getting
thirty four points and USC still covered. It just wasn't close,
like there was no there was nobody close to them.
Speaker 9 (45:29):
Well, they used to blow people's doors off late right
like they would they would find a way to do
whatever in the game, and then in the fourth quarter
their run game just became so dominant when Lyndale White
running the zone. But those Ty Willingham Washington teams are
interesting because one year at Fox they went ohwen, they
(45:49):
went ohen twelve right, they lost every game, and then
hired Steve Sarkisian.
Speaker 5 (45:56):
After that they.
Speaker 9 (45:58):
Were rating so well, like we had a couple of
games early and they were really highly rated because even
though they were so bad, the whole city of Seattle
wanted him fired so bad and became like watching a
car accident. They they sent us up there for six
of those guy called six of the games in his
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er to twelve season or something, and it was just
can you imagine what it was like doing that meeting
again in November, Like they fired him, like on Halloween
and let him play out the street and he just
was gonna, you know, because you don't like just fire
ty Wellingham in the middle of the season. He was
two nights of a guy or too honorable of a
character or whatever. So we would literally sit in the
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meetings like, yeah, what do you think?
Speaker 5 (46:45):
Well, I don't think we're gonna.
Speaker 9 (46:46):
Win, okay, Well is that when we wos to say
that in the open or what should we do?
Speaker 5 (46:51):
Like? That was the most That was a real march
to to uh to futility. That was tough.
Speaker 9 (46:58):
I was I usually never care where they sent me
to do it. Back then, I just go wherever and
I never worried about what game we were going to
have or who was in.
Speaker 5 (47:07):
It, or whether it was a good game or not.
But that year kind of broke me.
Speaker 9 (47:11):
I seeing Washington as bad as they were year in
and year out was very, very difficult.
Speaker 4 (47:18):
Yeah, that's rough.
Speaker 2 (47:19):
Well listen, petrosh there it is.
Speaker 5 (47:21):
Yeah, no, yeah, the loop, I remember that the face man.
Speaker 3 (47:25):
Long lived Toby and Mike who you know, LeVar Arrington
is Toby by the way, you know what I mean.
I got my name from Toby, but he was Koonta
Kinte first, but then they they forced him to be Toby.
You know, so I have a connection to Toby Gearhart
in a different type of way.
Speaker 5 (47:41):
That's fair.
Speaker 2 (47:41):
Yeah, Petros movie Roots by Alex Hey, Yes, yeah, always
appreciate it. And we were.
Speaker 5 (47:48):
Everybody was in the Roots.
Speaker 4 (47:50):
Everybody. I mean, that's OJ. It wasn't just.
Speaker 5 (47:54):
It wasn't just.
Speaker 9 (47:55):
Burton went to us koona kitty himself is a USC guy.
Speaker 4 (47:59):
Is I didn't know that LeVar Burton.
Speaker 9 (48:01):
Yeah, yeah, he spoke to us at uh, he spoke
to us a few times when I was at SC.
Speaker 5 (48:07):
I didn't know.
Speaker 9 (48:08):
It wasn't very inspiring to hear from the guy from
the Reading Rainbow.
Speaker 4 (48:11):
But that's crazy.
Speaker 5 (48:14):
But Richard Roundtree Shaft, who was born today, he was
in Roots.
Speaker 4 (48:19):
Oh happy birthday. He's dead but yeah, yeah, yeah, happy birthday.
Speaker 5 (48:24):
Just died two years ago.
Speaker 2 (48:25):
Dang the nolensense. Yeah, we'll do it again next time.
Speaker 5 (48:30):
Sorry.
Speaker 2 (48:30):
I was like, no, you're going.
Speaker 5 (48:33):
To horn in on Lee's cool segments.
Speaker 4 (48:36):
Yeah, right, there is why he's rushing us up out
of here, you know what I mean?
Speaker 2 (48:39):
Get him on X at the Old g Yeah,
This is the best of two pros and a couple
Joe with Lamar, airings and rating Winn and Jonas Knox
on Radio.
Speaker 2 (00:34):
Black and Drag Baby, we are back.
Speaker 3 (00:41):
Like we never left. It's Lamar and I see you. Man,
Oh my gosh, that's what it is. That's Lee for
you though, I mean, Lee, what are.
Speaker 4 (00:59):
You doing sitting here to take it?
Speaker 5 (01:10):
No?
Speaker 4 (01:10):
No, there you go, all right, go back.
Speaker 2 (01:12):
It was better that way.
Speaker 4 (01:14):
That's just so, that's ridiculous.
Speaker 2 (01:19):
All right.
Speaker 4 (01:19):
So for those of you always loves, I'll tell you what.
Speaker 2 (01:22):
So for those of you, those of you listening wondering
why we're laughing. So the zoom camera was set up,
but it was facing the wrong chair, so there's just
an empty chair. LaVar is trying to figure out, like
where are you? And I'm talking and it looked like
a vampire move to where you just can't see anybody
sitting in the chair except the voice. You can't see me.
(01:43):
But the problem is the camera's pointed at the wrong chair.
Speaker 4 (01:47):
Okay, Lee, you can go back. It's okay to go back. Bro.
Speaker 2 (01:51):
Joke is over, dab, but it is Lamar Rrington and
Jonas Knox here. You can listen to. This show is
always on the iHeartRadio app. You can find us on
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are making us a part of your Wednesday morning, we
appreciate it. We are going to take you all the
way up until nine am Eastern time six o'clock Pacific.
Speaker 4 (02:11):
What up sticks, Good morning.
Speaker 2 (02:15):
It feels like we were just here.
Speaker 3 (02:19):
Oh man, the thoughts you have once you've lived the
good life.
Speaker 4 (02:25):
I tell you what, boy, I mean. Look, I don't
have the.
Speaker 3 (02:31):
Words to explain to you how I'm feeling right the
moment I woke up this morning.
Speaker 4 (02:36):
I just don't have the words for you.
Speaker 5 (02:37):
Bro.
Speaker 4 (02:38):
I will Hey, we're back. This is our slot.
Speaker 2 (02:40):
So we've been filling in various spots throughout the morning lineup.
It was Dan Patrick, then it was Colin Cowherd. Then
we're back with filling in on the Herd the past
couple of days. And I will say this something that
jumped out to me right off the bat. You notice
drunk drivers more at two in the morning than you
(03:02):
do at seven in the morning.
Speaker 4 (03:04):
I'm going to make it home. Well, yeah, you're going
to work.
Speaker 2 (03:06):
Yeah, I don't know if anybody's driving drunk on the
roads of southern California, especially trying to get to the
four h five to come into the studio at seven
thirty in the morning.
Speaker 4 (03:16):
Oh please, yeah, the main one coming in.
Speaker 2 (03:23):
I don't know about that, but I do know this.
I saw a guy swerving in and out of lanes,
and there's no possible way unless he just didn't have hands.
There's no possible way that that dude was at home.
It's like, but it's so much more noticeable because there's
no cars on the road, and so that that jumped
(03:43):
out to be.
Speaker 4 (03:44):
Immediately bobbing in and out of out of lanes with
no traffic.
Speaker 2 (03:47):
It's a uh yeah, it is a whole nother world, man,
this time, so I won't say that that's a whole
other world, but.
Speaker 3 (03:54):
You know, yeah, you gotta work through it. It's almost
like therapy to show I have to work through being.
Speaker 4 (04:02):
Back at this. Damn I'm looking at that.
Speaker 3 (04:09):
Dan and Colin like you mother efforts, Like what a
great life you guys have. Boy, I tell you what
this grind is real? Hey man, When that alarm goes
off and you realize that you're barely into the next day,
like when you realize that you got to get to
work and you have to debate whether this am part
(04:34):
of the day is the next day or if it's
still the day before. You're in no man's land. That's
it's a it's an interesting territory to be in.
Speaker 5 (04:46):
Yeah, it is.
Speaker 4 (04:47):
It is very confusing.
Speaker 2 (04:48):
I know when I was doing weekend overnights, it was
always trying to figure out if it was still Saturday
night or Sunday morning, depending on where you are, and
the fact that it's national You've got people all over
the country and I mean, listen, it's even early morning
time in Hawaii. That's how that's how odd this time
slot is. And there they're like three hours behind. So right,
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it's uh.
Speaker 3 (05:12):
Just now hitting, it's just now hitting the next day.
And theory we're almost a Tuesday Hawaii.
Speaker 2 (05:22):
Yeah, yeah, ten minutes ago was Tuesday. They were doing
Taco Tuesday.
Speaker 4 (05:27):
In Honolulu on the Big Malard Man.
Speaker 2 (05:30):
On the Tiki tourch Fox Sports nine to ninety of
the Hawaiian Islands, but.
Speaker 3 (05:34):
On the East coast where Dan Patrick's show. And that
that's a little again, a little bit more sleep, a
little bit more alert, a little bit more ready to go,
but we're ready to go. I mean this is good.
This is a sport all in itself. You know how
we asked is is Joey Chess not an athlete and
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is eating food professionally a sport? And then we broke
down with sports words like physical exertion and competition, like
we are competing against other radio shows, right, and the
physical exertion of having to get up when we get up.
People might think that's easy unless you're someone who works overnights.
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Like if you work overnight, whatever it is that you do,
and listen. I don't claim to be digging no ditches.
So shouts out to anybody who's doing super crazy physical labor,
like literally labor. But there is a physical exertion. You know,
you got to you gotta deliver the goods on the air.
You gotta have the great energy when you're doing it.
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There's so many elements that you got to pull together
on live radio, and you know, it's it's quite a challenge.
Speaker 4 (06:44):
You know we're live. That red light means it is live.
Speaker 3 (06:47):
There is no takebacks and do overs and oh, run
the prompter back. You might've had a bad read, do
it again, like no, you gotta you have to be
ready to crack this mic and do what.
Speaker 4 (07:00):
You do like you do it for TV, like you
do it.
Speaker 3 (07:03):
For radio, because you're doing it for the masses. So
that's the part of it that gets me going. Otherwise,
you being drack would not be enough for Black. Yeah,
I'm gonna say, yeah, I'll still be sleeping. The hell
with this if it wasn't for all of that, The
hell with this. I like competing, you know.
Speaker 2 (07:27):
So that being said, let's talk about a fun little
competition that's going to be had in the NFL this
upcoming season. And that's because we've got ourselves an interesting storyline,
and I would say a perfect storyline. This is the
perfect perfect storyline in the National Football League coming up
this year. So Dak Prescott, the quarterback of the Dallas Cowboys,
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LeVar Arrington number one on the Dak Prescott fan club
train that rolls around town every NFL season. Dak Prescott
spoke about the opportunity to throw to not only Cede Lamb,
but also George Pickens. This was the Cowboys quarterback breaking
it down.
Speaker 6 (08:12):
That's two guys that want the other guy to succeed
just as much saying it first hand, just them two
hanging out and me the bystandard. I'll go in the house,
you know, purposely for a little bit, you know, and
just preaking at them. They love each other, they love
each other's company, they love each other's game. To be
the guy that gets to get them the ball. It's
exciting as hell because you can turn on O TA
tapes and one of the guys the balls in there
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and the other ones got his hands up celebrating already.
Speaker 2 (08:35):
So that was Dak Prescott talking about the early reviews
on George Pickens Ceedee Lamb as a wide receiver duo
for the Dallas Cowboys. It's the perfect Cowboys storyline going
into the season because you've got potential for explosions, and
you've got potential for implosions. This is exactly what the
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Cowboys need because it's all nice. Now, this is great.
This is a wonderful story to discuss. You've got two
wide receivers mono imano but really supporting each other and
rallying around each other. And then the reality sets in
that George Pickens needs a deal and he needs to
produce in order to get that monster deal. He's looking
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for and if he's not getting the ball and Dak
goes to his favorite target, which is Ceedee Lamb, there's
going to be an issue at some point during the
course of the season. There's going to be an issue.
And it's exactly why it's the perfect Cowboy combo because
it's the Dallas Cowboys. Tell Micah Parsons, hey man, look
whatever you sign your deal, that's awesome. Just know multiple
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times throughout the course of the season you're going to
be asked about George Pickens' behavior. That's how this is
going to go. It's perfect for Dallas. It's the perfect
Cowboys storyline for the year.
Speaker 3 (09:50):
Do you realize they have three tylers starting on their
offensive front? Really kind of interesting three tylers and they
are some big do they have a very big offensive line.
The reason why I start there is it's going to
be vitally important, super critical that these guys are able
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to protect Dak Prescott. Now as it applies to Pickens
and Ceedee Lamb, I really believe that there is a major,
major opportunity here for both of them to do some
really really amazing things for their careers. Ceedee Lamb, while
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more often than not he was praised for showing toughness
because he pushed through that shoulder injury last year and
really really continued to try to be a catalyst for
this team. But there were moments that you know, where
you saw him on camera and out of context. If
you don't have the proper context, you would think that
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this was a disgruntled player and it was being directed
directly at Dak Prescott because of a route, because of
him not getting the target. Whatever it may have been,
it just was. It came across as he had an
issue with something that was going on with Dak Prescott
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as it applied to him. Now, how that plays out internally,
what their relationship looks like, you know that's between them.
Speaker 4 (11:29):
But you added George Pickens and he.
Speaker 3 (11:31):
Has been labeled a malcontent, He has been labeled a
guy that isn't necessarily a locker room guy. Are these
things true? Pickens gets the opportunity to actually paint a
different picture of who he is. Ceedee Lamb doesn't have
to paint a different picture. Ceedee Lamb just has to
continue to be Ceedee Lamb and maybe for the sake
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of the team limits some of the things that people
are able to see on camera. That's for the sake
again of Dak Prescott and of the optics of what
their relationship is and where this team is. I think
there's a lot of positive that the Dallas Cowboys.
Speaker 4 (12:12):
Can take into this season.
Speaker 3 (12:14):
But looking at the lineup the rundown when talking about,
you know, the team, I think it's very very fair
to say, is this team set up for explosion or implosion?
I think it's a very very fair assessment, or I
should say, a very fair question to ask, because you
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could clearly see this being a team that goes in
the right direction. It may be very difficult for Dak
Prescott to mess it up with the amount of weapons
he has, the quality he has in lamb and pickings.
But at the same time, there is the thought people
would be lying if they didn't feel as though there's.
Speaker 4 (12:57):
The thought that they could mess it up.
Speaker 2 (13:00):
Also that yeah, and I think you're gonna get a
little bit of both. There's gonna be plays where you
look at him and go, damn, this might be one
of the better wide receiver combos in the league. And
then there's gonna be outbursts or somebody getting pissed that
they're not getting the ball or somebody, because look, I mean,
Jake Ferguson is one of the more underrated tight ends
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in the league, and he's put together some strong years.
Last year I think was a little bit down. But
Jake Ferguson's a guy that Dak Prescott's targeted and had
good numbers with. And so there has to be a
realness to George Pickens understanding where he's at. He was
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traded away. There's a thought about him as a player
of malcontent or somebody that maybe it's just too much
trouble to deal with the talent Pittsburgh gets rid of him. Well,
if he doesn't produce this year, he's not gonna get
that deal that he's looking for. And so at some point,
if George, you know, if Ceedee Lamb is going off
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and Dak Prescott and ceedeelamb just continue with their great chemistry.
Speaker 4 (14:04):
I find it hard to wear on him. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (14:07):
Yeah, And that's why I look at it and I go,
this is awesome. And they can celebrate and be happy
for each other all they want. But if I'm George Pickens,
I'm also looking at the reality of my career and understanding, look, man,
I gotta get mine. I gotta produce, and I just
think at some point that's gonna pop up at some
point during the year. And then it's gonna be Dak Prescott,
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and it's gonna be Brian Schottenheimer, and it's gonna be
all the other Cowboys are gonna have to answer for it.
Jerry Jones doing multiple interviews a week, probably gonna be
asked about it. Like, I just think that that's going
to pop up. And so because of that, they're an
interesting storyline as they usually are to watch, because there's
this thing that could go off at any moment. When
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you add George Pickens and at the same time, you
know he could he could, you know, have ten grabs
for two hundred yards and three touchdowns. It could go
one of two ways, and I think it's going.
Speaker 4 (15:00):
To go both.
Speaker 3 (15:02):
This is going to take a level of trust, it's
going to take a level of maturity, and it's going
to take a nice amount of professionalism for it to
make sense. Because you have two ball dominant receivers. There's
nothing wrong with wanting that. I mean, if you think
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about when Joe Montana had the success that he said
or he had when he was playing a lot of
people don't talk about John Taylor, they don't bring up
his name. But if you don't have a John Taylor
Jerry Rice, I would.
Speaker 4 (15:39):
Argue it.
Speaker 3 (15:42):
Intensely, fiercely that Jerry Rice is not able to have
the type of career that he was able to have,
and maybe people forget the name John Taylor. Maybe people
don't bring up the relevance of what he represented to
that forty ninety Niners run of dominance, but very ball dominant,
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but very quiet and for what it was worth. You know,
Jerry Rice was quiet as well. And you had two
very very fine receivers that were were just cooking. It
just comes down well, yeah, I mean you had a
lot of You had a lot of depth on that team.
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They had a strong offensive line. That's where I started.
Starts in the trenches. They had Big Ray Brown and
them guys up front, and they had Rathman. That was
when they still had fullbacks in the game. And like
you said, nobody ran the ball like Roger Craig. I mean,
here's a couple of guys that I just really enjoyed
running the ball. Roger Craig, Eric Metcalf, you know rival
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that that type of running style. I said, the closest
thing I've seen to the way they run these days
is Aaron Aaron Jones. I just I think the potential
of what is coming to the table with this Cowboys
team they can be I really believe the NFC East
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is going to actually have a movement positively towards the
being maybe possibly again once again the most competitive division
in the NFL. It has the makings of that has
the handwriting on the wall that this could be a
tremendously competitive division from top to bottom in the National
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Football League. This year, they've made some really fine moves,
like Washington took a very definitive step forward last year.
You could see the change of culture. The coaching staff
has done a great job. Quinn did a great job
of bringing in good guys, and the ownership group has
changed the culture allowing Quinn to actually create that type
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of environment. They've responded. They got a superstar the quarterback.
You look at the Giants, I mentioned that I think
their defense is going to be nasty, and the defensive
front good luck on having time doing things with that
group of guys trying to neutralize them. It's not enough
guys along the line to block all of those guys
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and not have your quarterback be stressed out. So good
luck with that. And it's going to be interesting to
see what they look like on offense. And then we
know what we're getting out of Philly. We know exactly
what we're going to get out of Philly. That's going
to be a team that continues to be a very,
very good team. Now you look at Dallas and they
have all of the makings of being a competitive team.
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So now you're looking at it like, Okay, definitively, yes,
the Eagles are the number one team, but when you
look at the rest of the NFC East, I think
it's going to be a dog fight for number two.
And I'm not so sure that the third and fourth
team in the division this year isn't a ridiculously competitive team.
They just weren't as good as the teams that are
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one and two in the division.
Speaker 2 (19:03):
Yeah, should be, It should be fun to watch it.
Speaker 1 (19:05):
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Speaker 2 (19:19):
Patrick Mahomes' trainer took to social media and basically called
out a gentleman by the name of Kevin Keatsman, who
is a sports personality in the Kansas City area. He's
got a podcast called Kevin Keatsman has Issues, And you're
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probably wonder like, why would he have an issue with him? Like,
why would he have an issue with this guy of
all people? Like as we were getting ready for training
camp and whatnot. Well, I mean, let's take a listen.
Speaker 7 (19:49):
Vacation photos are popping up with Patrick Mahomes and he's fat.
He's an embarrassment. You're a five hundred million dollar quarterback.
You've made all these comments in the off season that
we're going to do our talking on the field. We
got our butts kicked in the Super Bowl. We're coming
back with a vengeance. Dude, you're fat. Your belly would
be fat at my pool hanging out with us sixty
year olds.
Speaker 2 (20:08):
Okay, my skin's flabby in yours.
Speaker 5 (20:11):
I get it.
Speaker 7 (20:12):
Stop stop the fast food, do a sit up, do something. Yeah,
I'm sure he's worked out and strengthened his arm, and
he's done all kinds of different things quarterback things. But
there's no training to this. Man, I don't understand it.
He's not a kid anymore. You can't just run through
your NFL career eating taco bell all the time and
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door dashing fried chicken, which he loves from that one
place over in Leewood where he gets it all the time.
Speaker 4 (20:40):
It's time, dude, It's time.
Speaker 2 (20:44):
So that was Kevin Keatsman.
Speaker 4 (20:47):
Tell us how you really feel about Patrick went home?
Speaker 2 (20:49):
Good old fashioned fat shaming of Patrick Mahomes.
Speaker 3 (20:58):
Is he referencing Is he referencing the vacation picks of
Patrick Mahomes being on the boat with his wife. I
don't know, really, it is those pictures. I like, Man,
he's not he's I mean, first of all, let's start here.
Speaker 4 (21:17):
Name me five, five greatest.
Speaker 3 (21:23):
Quarterbacks to ever play this game that had amazing bodies.
Name me five, Tom Brady and who Joe Montana and
Peyton Manning And.
Speaker 4 (21:40):
Where are we going? We want to go next? Joe Burrow.
Speaker 3 (21:43):
And this might sound horrible after that man just said
fried chicken and all that stuff, But.
Speaker 4 (21:51):
I mean, is it generally only.
Speaker 3 (21:55):
I mean the top of the top, upper echelance quarterbacks
that are in the conversation they're probably black quarterbacks. Lamar
Jackson's probably built like an athlete. Michael Vick probably built
like an.
Speaker 2 (22:10):
Athlete's what he's trying to say. We can't be built.
Speaker 3 (22:14):
I'm just saying, generally speaking, white quarterback, white quarterbacks don't
come in as like specimens. That's that's why people fall
out over how Brady Quinn is built. Because Brady's built
like Brady's built well. But I mean, when you start
talking about the best of the best that have ever,
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what Brady's built like? Like, Uh, he's built like he's
a strong built dude. Like especially when he played, he
looked like a linebacker or safety. I mean that's just
what it is. I mean, is that out is that
out of pocket? While that face?
Speaker 4 (22:52):
I'm just helping Why you stopped? Why pause?
Speaker 2 (22:56):
Because I wanted to give it enough time to breathe
so we could isolate that drop and have it for
future references. I'm always thinking ahead for what.
Speaker 4 (23:02):
Did I say? Brady's got a good body, that's got
a good bye? I mean, where's the.
Speaker 5 (23:06):
Lie, Brad.
Speaker 3 (23:07):
It's well built, it is well bill, and it is
well it's well received when we're all out together, I
mean you could see that people recognize the fact that
he built well by the.
Speaker 2 (23:18):
I just think this whole idea that you look at.
First of all, I don't care what anybody does on
their vacation, and I have to look on their vacation photos.
I couldn't care less if you want to if you
want to stand on a boat with your shirt off
and you know, two uh sleeves of pringles, like do
what you gotta do? Like the idea that we're going
to question, well, you know, Patrick Mahomes is a physical
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fitness and whatnot. He's literally off to the greatest start
in the history of the NFL at the quarterback position.
We were talking about it yesterday. All that he knows
is AFC title game, overtime losses or Super Bowls. That's it.
And I don't care if he's got no abs. I
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don't whatever he's doing that works. You don't have to be,
to your point, jacked and tore up from the floor
up to be a great quarterback. So this idea like
this is all of a sudden an indictment of Patrick
Mahomes and how successful he could be as a quarterback
because he was on vacation and his abs looked a
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little flabby. Who cares? What that has nothing to do
with anything? Who cares that?
Speaker 4 (24:30):
Man said, you're an adult, now.
Speaker 2 (24:33):
What it is it is?
Speaker 3 (24:36):
I mean there's like, yeah, I think this is one
of those moments where.
Speaker 4 (24:41):
Which, by the way, the more I get.
Speaker 3 (24:43):
Into our topics and the more I look at what's
going on in sports, it isn't a slow time in sports.
Speaker 4 (24:49):
It's just not football season.
Speaker 3 (24:52):
I think that's what maybe people need to start, you know,
kind of how they need to think about this time
of the year. It's not it's definitely still a very
very significant part of the year for sports, especially if
you're a baseball fan. It's just it's a it's an
interesting time of the year. But it's also that time
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of the year where you look at guys in the
National Football League and you're looking at the storylines. I
think it's just as important to a football season talking
about these preseason storylines before we get there, because people
can make their their judgments. They can you know, do
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their their prognosticating on what they think somebody's going to do,
you know, forecasting what a team or a player is
going to do. I mean, fat shaming came Deebo Samuel's
way probably warranted. He looked a little, a little heavy
afoot running his routes, like like he was bouncing more
than gliding. But again, all the it.
Speaker 2 (25:58):
Looked like that, you got like he's varuk assault.
Speaker 3 (26:02):
Hey bruh, he was bouncing, he was he wasn't glad.
And that's all I'm gonna say. I mean, that's just
the observation of the film that came out of their camp.
But but nonetheless, the bottom line here is is that
you still the greatest thing I've always said about about
sports is as much as you can talk about something
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a topic like okay, you want to focus in on
on Patrick Mahomes's body and the way it looks, which,
by the way, I don't recall ever seeing him without
a shirt on to begin with.
Speaker 4 (26:34):
Anyway, I don't even have a comp.
Speaker 3 (26:37):
So maybe this guy has a comp and can say
what he saw before doesn't look like what he looked
like you know today, you know on on the boat.
But that's Patrick Mahomes, And it would take a whole
lot of proving that that him gaining weight, if that
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is indeed the truth is something that impacts the way
he plays, like I'm going to give just like everybody
else is most likely going to give Patrick Mahomes the
benefit of the doubt.
Speaker 2 (27:13):
It's not the NBA. He's not running up and down
the court like you want. This guy.
Speaker 3 (27:17):
If he wants to throw that out there, I think
that's more of him looking for a storyline that could catch.
We caught onto it and we're we're commenting on it, Jonas.
But in reality, the quarterback position you don't have to
look like in Adonis for one and for two.
Speaker 4 (27:37):
In fact, it's actually what most people would say.
Speaker 3 (27:42):
It would be a drawback if you're too yoked up
because you can't be tight. It's like a boxer. You
see a boxer that's yoked up, it's like, oh, it
looks good, but that's not functioning. That's not a functioning
body type. Like some of the best boxers had bad bodies,
and it was because they're able to to like torque
their bodies a certain type of way.
Speaker 4 (28:04):
There's a flexibility there. It's working muscle.
Speaker 3 (28:08):
Then, so saw a dude badly built whooped the hell
out of somebody who you think is yoked up. They
could lift the gym, but they can't. It's not it's
not athletically functionable mot muscles.
Speaker 2 (28:20):
I think mixed martial arts change the way you view
who a real badass is and who a real great
athlete is. And I say that because if you go
back to the early UFC days, when Hoyst Gracy came around,
everyone was like, this is this guy. He's fighting all
the He's fighting all these jacked up, gassed up sham.
Speaker 3 (28:42):
Rock was joked up, but he could he could get
down to course.
Speaker 2 (28:46):
Of course. But hoys Gracie had a submission game to
where it was like, man, he didn't have a body
you looked at like an Adonis, and he was going
out there strangling guys in that.
Speaker 3 (28:55):
He didn't show you his body either. He kept his
gee on him and he ain't play around.
Speaker 2 (28:59):
And he was doing that when it was tournament styled
where you had to fight multiple times in a night.
If you go to look up the name fad or
a million Ako, absolutely one of the greatest heavyweights of
all time in the history of mixed martial arts. Never
fought in the UFC, But look at that guy, look
at his body and go who is he? Oh, I
don't know, just a destroyer beat everybody in their prime,
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like didn't have a body that you So this idea
that you.
Speaker 3 (29:24):
Could be the league after him, wasn't the league called
fad or No, what was league called?
Speaker 2 (29:31):
Uh, there's been a bunch, there's been.
Speaker 4 (29:33):
There was there was one like that, though it sounded
like that there was.
Speaker 3 (29:37):
A fade or Belatore, Belatore, Bellatore.
Speaker 2 (29:42):
Uh. Yeah, there was also Elite XC. There was a
whole bunch of them. But it's just this idea that
you can look at somebody's appearance and go, oh, I
know whether or not that guy is going to be
good dude. You could go to any twenty four hour
fitness anywhere in the country and find somebody who looks
the part and then have them hand them a football
and say, hey, do what Patrick Mahomes does, and they'll
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get laughed off the field like this this idea, it's the.
Speaker 4 (30:06):
Funniest thing, you know.
Speaker 3 (30:07):
Where you can see it at the beach, it is
the funniest. Oh, they be having on their little shorts
and they're always closest to the water, you know, so
they can be in front of everybody so people can
see it. Right, So they be right in front of
the water. They have their their football and they'll be
running around and muscles be popping out everywhere and sun
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tanned lotion.
Speaker 4 (30:32):
And sweating all this stuff. Like pause.
Speaker 3 (30:35):
I mean, I'm just giving y'all a visual cause I'd
be sitting there like, dang, these dudes is really out
here like thirst trapping these people, right, and then they
throw the ball and it's like, oh, damn, I ain't
played a day of football in their life. Then you
see the dude catch the ball. Ain't played down of
football in their lives. Built like models like Tommy Hill,
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figure models, whatever, but they ain't played no ball, you know.
Speaker 4 (31:00):
Anyway, point is like there's a.
Speaker 3 (31:03):
Lot of topics out there that that guy could have focused.
Speaker 4 (31:08):
Then on, But choosing that hill to.
Speaker 3 (31:12):
To start a battle, I don't it just I mean,
for what it's, it's it's almost a laughable conversation to
be basically saying that Patrick Mahomes isn't in the.
Speaker 4 (31:27):
Best of shape.
Speaker 3 (31:28):
It's fat, and you can't be prepared or ready to
go compete for Super Bowl looking the way that he
looks like. That's a that to me, that's an asinine argument.
It's an asinine discussion.
Speaker 2 (31:41):
Listen, there's only one person in the history of this
show that's allowed to fat shame anybody, and that's me. Well,
that's principal Joe Clark. Principal Joe Clark is the only
man who's allowed to fat shame anybody on this show. Well,
he's been given that, he's been given a pass. He's
been told that he can do whatever the hell he
wants when it comes to uh bearing anybody that's got
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a little bit of a weight problem, even kids, if
he's got a kid, if he's got a kid in school,
and that kid in school, that kid in.
Speaker 8 (32:12):
School, what's it doing hanging out with you boys?
Speaker 5 (32:15):
You're all senior.
Speaker 8 (32:17):
Everyone climbed out on a radios off instantaneously, already instantaneously.
I want all of you to look at this, slovenly,
sloppy boy.
Speaker 4 (32:32):
Here, sloppy boy.
Speaker 2 (32:37):
That's the only guy who's given a pass when it
comes to fat shaming, Joe Clark. You are giving the
green light whenever you want to fat sham on this show.
And it can only be that Still.
Speaker 4 (32:47):
Still is a chubby dude.
Speaker 3 (32:48):
Though Man Still was chubby and in every movie he
was in Man, He's a little chubby boy. Man Og
in the in the in the acting game definitely was
always fun of the way he was built.
Speaker 1 (33:02):
Be sure to catch live editions of Two Pros and
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Speaker 2 (33:13):
Right now, we turn it over to the man himself,
the one and only Petros papadakas the co host of
the Petros and Money Show, which you can hear on
the Blowtorch AM five seventy l A. Sports Fox college
football analysts get him on X at the old p Petros.
Good morning, how are we feeling?
Speaker 5 (33:28):
Good morning? Sorry about that.
Speaker 9 (33:30):
I've been on vacation and uh, obviously a little slow
to get back to the real world, but I'm back
at work today.
Speaker 2 (33:36):
No, You're good.
Speaker 4 (33:37):
Don't worry right now.
Speaker 2 (33:40):
How was uh? How was vaccause? You're you don't really robbed?
You don't. You don't really like him?
Speaker 5 (33:46):
I stole my wallet out of my car.
Speaker 4 (33:48):
Oh, you were literally robbed.
Speaker 5 (33:50):
Yes, that was robbed, credit cards and stuff like that.
Speaker 9 (33:56):
Damn well, I've always robbed of my happiness by my family,
but other than that, this time I was really robbed.
Speaker 2 (34:04):
Because I've talked to you before about it, and you
don't really like traveling, you don't.
Speaker 5 (34:08):
No, No, I just drove to San Diego though.
Speaker 4 (34:11):
It's a big deal. Yeah, well, did they get your
real ID? Yeah?
Speaker 5 (34:15):
Well I don't know.
Speaker 3 (34:15):
No, I mean, even if I have, I'm just cure
you didn't go get your real ID yet.
Speaker 5 (34:21):
I don't know. I went to the DMV a couple
of years back, but probably not.
Speaker 3 (34:25):
A real ID has like a little beer on it
or something like that.
Speaker 4 (34:29):
For California.
Speaker 5 (34:30):
Well, I got to get it canceled either way.
Speaker 4 (34:32):
So yeah, no, I got robbed you though.
Speaker 9 (34:35):
But now I'm back. I'm back in the city and
I'm ready to work today.
Speaker 2 (34:41):
So good and just in time.
Speaker 4 (34:44):
Dodgers haven't returned, Just.
Speaker 2 (34:47):
In time for the Dodgers.
Speaker 5 (34:48):
How many straight is that?
Speaker 4 (34:50):
Is that?
Speaker 5 (34:50):
Five straight? They've lost us straight?
Speaker 9 (34:53):
Yeah, they got swept by Hugh Stone who came in
and put it on him. And then yesterday they only
Gordon one run. O Tawny had a home run. But
they lost in Milwaukee, and they lost a game one
in Milwaukee.
Speaker 5 (35:07):
So today is the getaway day. It's an early game in.
Speaker 9 (35:10):
Milwaukee, and they stopped hitting, you know, they they sure,
every once in a while a pitcher goes up there
and gets his boobs ripped off. But for the most part,
it's it's you never heard that term before. No, they
never learned that term. That was a I never knew
that term either, but it was a bait. I lived
(35:32):
with baseball players when I was first at USC because
I was ineligible from a transfer and I was white,
so I didn't really know anybody on the team.
Speaker 4 (35:39):
Wait, you're white.
Speaker 5 (35:41):
Yeah, I know, it's crazy that.
Speaker 9 (35:45):
That's what Jim Harbaughs sounded exactly like when I told
him Toby Gerhart was white right when he got the
Stanford job.
Speaker 2 (35:51):
Wait, why Gerhart's white?
Speaker 5 (35:53):
Yep, that's what he said. Man.
Speaker 4 (35:54):
I was today years old when I knew that. Man,
I thought he was light skinned.
Speaker 5 (35:58):
That's a true story, though, I mean I was.
Speaker 9 (36:00):
Well first, let's let's unpack this first many many years ago.
Speaker 4 (36:06):
I was.
Speaker 9 (36:08):
I was the USC analyst on the local, back when
we really used to do local sports cable TV, like
local programming at night, local programming all the time.
Speaker 5 (36:19):
They don't do it anymore.
Speaker 9 (36:20):
But USC was about to play Michigan in a Rose Bowl.
Pete Carroll would have been the head coach. So it's
probably like going into two thousand, going into the two
thousand five season. This is the end of the two
thousand and four season, so I think USC's playing Michigan
in a Rose Bowl. So Jim Harbaugh, who just took
(36:43):
the Stanford job from USD, was hired to be the
Michigan analyst guy, and I was the USC analyst guy.
So I just sat up there with Harbaugh and he
had just gotten the job, like two days before, had
accepted the Stanford job. And I remember sitting in with
(37:05):
him and he's like, well, who's on my team? You know,
because I had called a couple of Stanford games that year.
I think Walt Harris or somebody was to call Buddy
Tevens or some terrible failure.
Speaker 5 (37:16):
Uh And uh.
Speaker 9 (37:17):
I said, well, you know, you got the kid Delano
Howel from Hart Highs and aggressive kind of safety or whatever.
And Toby Gerhardt, you know, the running back on a Norco,
the white kid.
Speaker 5 (37:29):
He goes, he's white. We don't want them to get
out ended up the Hallway.
Speaker 9 (37:37):
Probably should have won the Heisman, you know, over mark
Ingram who had a great year too.
Speaker 5 (37:41):
But yeah, that was funny. He is white. But what
was the other one?
Speaker 2 (37:49):
By the way, I didn't realize Toby Garrett the other one.
Speaker 9 (37:52):
Yeah, no, the other one running back would have been
like Christian McCaffrey.
Speaker 5 (37:57):
But the booms being ripped off was that was a
baseball thing.
Speaker 9 (38:02):
Like I lived with baseball players and you know, they'd
be playing north Ridge on a Tuesday night, you know,
come back seven hours later because the bats are made
of metal, ping pong and in baseball and college baseball,
and I'd say, you know, did you guys win or whatever?
Speaker 5 (38:19):
No Etherton got his boobs ripped off? I like, what
what happened? You know? Or he got his tse lit.
You know they used to say that to.
Speaker 3 (38:32):
Other other running back. I'm big tenor so you got
to throw Mike Alstart in there. I mean, that's just
for me college wise. I just I got to make
sure that I throw my boy in there.
Speaker 1 (38:41):
But he.
Speaker 9 (38:45):
Was a he was a ball carrier, but oftentimes he
lined up at the full back position.
Speaker 5 (38:53):
They did you know his agility, Oh he was one. No,
don't get me wrong.
Speaker 3 (38:57):
But people didn't realize howe and how Fristy was.
Speaker 5 (39:02):
Yes, he had great feet and he had a real quick.
Speaker 2 (39:05):
Burst, but the most important attribute was that he's white.
Speaker 9 (39:13):
To me, the most important attribute at all start was
the fact that he didn't line up a tailback often.
I mean, if they wanted to give estimated it right right,
if they wanted to give him the ball like consistently,
then he'd get he'd get in at tailback and then
he do position. But a lot of the time, you know,
he was running the ball from the full back position
or just playing or just playing a traditional fullback and
(39:36):
doing all the other fullback stuff.
Speaker 5 (39:38):
He was pretty remarkable. He really was.
Speaker 9 (39:41):
Yeah, I loved him as a back, but it was
really interesting because a lot of what he did was
from maybe in a more traditional offense two or three
yards deep at the full back position, you know, right
behind the quarterback. And that's hard. I mean, yeah, you're
right up into the line of scrimmage quickly. But for
a guy with really good feet that can stop and
start like him and move, that's not exactly where you
(40:04):
want to be easy. Yeah, and he was really able
when he ran the ball from closer to the line
of scrimmage. I mean, that's really remarkable because I don't
think there's been I mean, I saw a kid in
college who I've never gotten over, and he's one of
the greatest players I've ever seen, and he's probably like
blowing people up with a computer.
Speaker 5 (40:25):
Keyboard.
Speaker 9 (40:25):
Now he's an Air Force player, a white kid who
played fullback for them, and I think he had like
at least one two thousand yard season, maybe close.
Speaker 5 (40:38):
Brad Roberts was his name.
Speaker 9 (40:40):
He blew me away, like that kid blew me away
because he didn't look like anything. Like he didn't look
like anything, and he was right up in there, you know,
and you'd give him the ball and every one yard
run became a four yard run almost to where you
didn't even notice. And then you'd be like Jesus and
like you'd never even see him break free. But you
(41:02):
look at the stats at the end of the game
and what he was able to do for a season
and how he kept coming, and that was pretty remarkable.
But he was but he was such a forward leaning back,
a stilted back.
Speaker 2 (41:14):
I remember that guy.
Speaker 5 (41:15):
Yeah, he was unbelievable.
Speaker 9 (41:16):
Look up of stats, but he was like a stilted back,
right like leaning forward, like if no one was there
to tackle him, just like me, it was likely he'd
fall forward.
Speaker 5 (41:25):
Anyway. But it's true. But but all start.
Speaker 9 (41:33):
That's what was remarkable about him bringing it up is
that a lot of the time when he ran the
ball close to the line of scrimmage, he was able
to stop and start and that's really hard to do.
Speaker 4 (41:45):
But yeah, you change directions.
Speaker 3 (41:46):
Yeah, He's and stuff, and people was making business decisions
when they was like, it was like.
Speaker 4 (41:53):
Oh there he is.
Speaker 10 (41:56):
Like he'd appear, like you said, he get the ball
so quick, he'd appear you'd be like by the time
you realized that you had to knuckle up for him,
he's already pasted you.
Speaker 4 (42:07):
But anyways, I'm a big mike all stop.
Speaker 2 (42:10):
He was great.
Speaker 5 (42:12):
Hell Us was good too.
Speaker 3 (42:14):
He wore the same he wore the same face mask.
I did the bulldog muzzle. You know, we haven't brought
that into existence, you.
Speaker 4 (42:21):
Know what I mean. Send me a bulldog muzzle, send me.
Speaker 5 (42:24):
A photo of it. I'll buy one. Uh my uh.
Speaker 9 (42:28):
I did an Arkansas game once where their backfield was
Houston Nutt was the coach. Their backfield was Peyton Hillis
who returned punts. Uh Felix Jones and and uh McFadden.
Yeah that's crazy, like and they lost by seventy points
(42:51):
to USC. I'll never forget we did that. Uh we
had we had Arkansas And it was like the very
first game or the second game of the year where
they were really special the beginning of the two thousand
and five season where every the world was about Matt
(43:12):
Leiner and Reggie Bush and Lindale and Dwayne Jarrett and.
Speaker 5 (43:17):
These teams were filled with superstars.
Speaker 9 (43:20):
This is the year they ended up losing that game
to Texas and the Rose Bowl, but the very first
game of the year, they're playing Arkansas. Okay, you know,
I don't know a lot of SEC teams. I mean
this is and this is before the SEC. I mean
it's around that time when the SEC was starting to
build their strength. USC was dominating college football. Oklahoma was
(43:40):
really good. And I remember being in the meeting with
Houston Nutt and I forget the name of their their decordinator.
His first name was Reggie and he was like a
big old southern white guy too, and they were just
preaching like this USC they're another They're like a They're
like a medio grid cee CE team.
Speaker 5 (44:00):
We're gonna be five.
Speaker 9 (44:02):
I'll tell you what thing you won't see you won't
see guys just running free out there. And I was like,
I was sitting in the meeting, and I want you know,
I'm not a Homer broadcaster, and if anything, I'm worse
than that and or the other way.
Speaker 5 (44:17):
And I was like, yeah, this sounds about right.
Speaker 9 (44:20):
You know, these guys are gonna come and slap USC
in the hand, show Pete Carroll teach them a little something, right,
Just in the back of my mind, I said, this
guy might know what he's talking about.
Speaker 5 (44:29):
The game was literally seventy to seven.
Speaker 9 (44:34):
Like the fact that they said no one was gonna
be running free was like the prophecy that everybody was
going to be running free. Like I don't know whether
everybody was running free. They scored seventy points, I believe,
crazy man. And I never go down on the field
after a game unless I have to do an interview
or something. I went down on the field just to
see if I could catch eye contact with the decordinator, Like, hey,
(44:56):
remember when you said just because it was so it
was such a contrast to what would happen. But it
was amazing that they had that backfield and they couldn't
even generate first down.
Speaker 2 (45:10):
I remember going to a USC Washington game when Tyrone
Willingham was the coach at Washington and it was at
the coliseum and betting on Washington because they were getting
thirty four points and USC still covered. It just wasn't close,
like there was no there was nobody close to them.
Speaker 9 (45:29):
Well, they used to blow people's doors off late right
like they would they would find a way to do
whatever in the game, and then in the fourth quarter
their run game just became so dominant when Lyndale White
running the zone. But those Ty Willingham Washington teams are
interesting because one year at Fox they went ohwen, they
(45:49):
went ohen twelve right, they lost every game, and then
hired Steve Sarkisian.
Speaker 5 (45:56):
After that they.
Speaker 9 (45:58):
Were rating so well, like we had a couple of
games early and they were really highly rated because even
though they were so bad, the whole city of Seattle
wanted him fired so bad and became like watching a
car accident. They they sent us up there for six
of those guy called six of the games in his
(46:20):
er to twelve season or something, and it was just
can you imagine what it was like doing that meeting
again in November, Like they fired him, like on Halloween
and let him play out the street and he just
was gonna, you know, because you don't like just fire
ty Wellingham in the middle of the season. He was
two nights of a guy or too honorable of a
character or whatever. So we would literally sit in the
(46:43):
meetings like, yeah, what do you think?
Speaker 5 (46:45):
Well, I don't think we're gonna.
Speaker 9 (46:46):
Win, okay, Well is that when we wos to say
that in the open or what should we do?
Speaker 5 (46:51):
Like? That was the most That was a real march
to to uh to futility. That was tough.
Speaker 9 (46:58):
I was I usually never care where they sent me
to do it. Back then, I just go wherever and
I never worried about what game we were going to
have or who was in.
Speaker 5 (47:07):
It, or whether it was a good game or not.
But that year kind of broke me.
Speaker 9 (47:11):
I seeing Washington as bad as they were year in
and year out was very, very difficult.
Speaker 4 (47:18):
Yeah, that's rough.
Speaker 2 (47:19):
Well listen, petrosh there it is.
Speaker 5 (47:21):
Yeah, no, yeah, the loop, I remember that the face man.
Speaker 3 (47:25):
Long lived Toby and Mike who you know, LeVar Arrington
is Toby by the way, you know what I mean.
I got my name from Toby, but he was Koonta
Kinte first, but then they they forced him to be Toby.
You know, so I have a connection to Toby Gearhart
in a different type of way.
Speaker 5 (47:41):
That's fair.
Speaker 2 (47:41):
Yeah, Petros movie Roots by Alex Hey, Yes, yeah, always
appreciate it. And we were.
Speaker 5 (47:48):
Everybody was in the Roots.
Speaker 4 (47:50):
Everybody. I mean, that's OJ. It wasn't just.
Speaker 5 (47:54):
It wasn't just.
Speaker 9 (47:55):
Burton went to us koona kitty himself is a USC guy.
Speaker 4 (47:59):
Is I didn't know that LeVar Burton.
Speaker 9 (48:01):
Yeah, yeah, he spoke to us at uh, he spoke
to us a few times when I was at SC.
Speaker 5 (48:07):
I didn't know.
Speaker 9 (48:08):
It wasn't very inspiring to hear from the guy from
the Reading Rainbow.
Speaker 4 (48:11):
But that's crazy.
Speaker 5 (48:14):
But Richard Roundtree Shaft, who was born today, he was
in Roots.
Speaker 4 (48:19):
Oh happy birthday. He's dead but yeah, yeah, yeah, happy birthday.
Speaker 5 (48:24):
Just died two years ago.
Speaker 2 (48:25):
Dang the nolensense. Yeah, we'll do it again next time.
Speaker 5 (48:30):
Sorry.
Speaker 2 (48:30):
I was like, no, you're going.
Speaker 5 (48:33):
To horn in on Lee's cool segments.
Speaker 4 (48:36):
Yeah, right, there is why he's rushing us up out
of here, you know what I mean?
Speaker 2 (48:39):
Get him on X at the Old g Yeah,
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