July 21, 2025 • 52 mins
Monday on 2 Pros and a Cup of Joe, Scottie Scheffler widens the gap in his greatness compared to other modern golfers. It is revealed that part of the reason for former ED of the NFLPA, Lloyd Howell, stepping down was because of a lavish “Player Engagement Event” at a famous South Florida gentlemen’s club. Plus, WNBA players wants more pay, but does the league have the means?
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
This is the best of two pros and a couple
Joe with Lamar arings and rating win and Jonas Knox
on radio.
Speaker 2 (00:13):
Listen, if you are listening to the iHeartRadio app and
you are listening in Europe and all over the world,
congratulations because somebody from here went over and took from there.
Speaker 3 (00:26):
That's right.
Speaker 2 (00:27):
Big win yesterday for Scotti Scheffler, raising the American flag
and representing the country proud and putting on a show
yet again. The greatest golfer on the planet performs yet again,
seventeen under guy finished seventeen under par So Scotti Scheffler
is your Can we call it the British Open? Just
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to be a pain in the ass of all we.
Speaker 3 (00:49):
Call it the British Open? I think everyone else is
the one that calls it the Open. I mean it
is the oldest Major, so there is something to that.
But the run that he's been on the past two
years is incredible. I think he's been the number one
player now for one hundred and fourteen weeks. Like we're
watching a run similar to some of the all time
greats that I will caution this people have been, you know,
(01:11):
putting out there all these stats comparing him to Tiger. Okay,
so twenty twenty two to twenty twenty five, which is
the run Scotty's been on. He plays, he's played in
eighty one events, he's one to twenty. He's got four
majors and two players championships. Okay, Tiger from two thousand
and two to two thousand and five, seventy nine events,
eighteen wins, four majors, zero players championships. So you're like, oh, okay,
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it's kind of similar to Tiger, right, so maybe some
of this is warranted. Then you go back three years
before that for Tiger from ninety nine to two thousand
and two, seventy eight events, twenty seven wins, seven majors,
one players. So I will say what Scotty's doing is
in sports right now. I would argue he's the most
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dominant player where he feels like the sun coming up tomorrow,
where if he's in a lead going into the final round,
it is inevitable. And that's what you hear them talk about,
that he's going to win and he's not going to win.
He might beat the brakes off the rest of the field,
and that's how it kind of felt, even though NBC
did their best to pump up Ry McElroy all they could.
(02:19):
It was I the only one who felt that way
watching it.
Speaker 2 (02:22):
Oh, it's I mean, we've got okay, did you hear
this was courtesy? Do we know the credit on this?
On this all right? So this was we're going to
try and get the credit. So if you are listening
overseas and you're a big fan of this show, understand
that we will get the credit as soon as we
have the proper credit to give. But this was the
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British version of Rory McElroy over the weekend, and you
tell me if there was a rooting interest here from
that side of the world.
Speaker 3 (02:52):
This is for Eagle three.
Speaker 2 (02:54):
It's on its way.
Speaker 4 (02:55):
Come on, Rory, come on, Rory, keep going, keep going,
keep going.
Speaker 3 (02:58):
Let's go, it's coming over the ridge.
Speaker 5 (03:00):
Go one on again, on again, Yes, bounce f Rory McElroy,
Eagle on the twelfth.
Speaker 2 (03:11):
It's like like hearing me roote for my kid, like
at mini golf, Like, what are we doing here? Aren't
you supposed to be impartial? Aren't you supposed to just
call it as it is instead of openly rooting and
pulling for somebody to win in these events. I mean,
I don't know golf etiquette as well as you do,
but I would assume as a broadcaster, that's the etiquette
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you should have. So there's a couple of thoughts. The
first is, yes, you're supposed to be unbiased. You're supposed
to kind of follow.
Speaker 3 (03:39):
The way the tournament or the game is going, and
that's what you're supposed to highlight and talk about. However,
this was somewhat unique. There's not many tournaments that are
played in Northern Ireland. Uh, Royal Port Rush is not
the home course for Roy mcroy's home course I think
was like Hollywood Golf Club, but it was one where
you know, he's they're trying to type him up. The
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crowd was there for him. Rooty had a strong rooting interest.
And I'm sure if you're there and you feel the
crowd is constantly pulling for Rory, is following Rory, and
he's got the you know, the bulk of the crowd,
there's gonna be elements that you need to play into
on TV. But I think this was more of a
what other storyline do we have? Like we've got Scotty
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Scheffler who's dominating the sport. Everyone's heard about it, talked
about it, you know, after his press earlier in the
week where he kind of downplayed the success, downplayed the
Pinnacle moments, and he talked a little bit about that
after he won. But when you have a player like
that who doesn't want to lean into it, and Jordan
Smith even talked about this a little bit, that he's
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not trying to, you know, change the game like Tiger did.
Like he's just coming there to win and he's going
home with his family, like that's that's all he cares about.
I think from that perspective, it makes it tough for
TV to really, you know, ravitate towards a guy who's
not trying to lean into everything they're trying to do
to continue to build the game. And I'm not saying
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that Scotty Scheffer's not building the game. I think he's
doing it in his own way. But I guess is
contemporaries like those guys don't feel like he is.
Speaker 2 (05:18):
I mean, look, he's not. Tiger Woods was his own world,
like his own universe, and that's why you could argue
who's the greatest golfer of all time? If you were
around watching golfer watching sports when Tiger was in his prime.
That's Jordan, Like we're talking, that's rarefied air that we
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will not see. And yes, Scotti Scheffler's you know, doesn't
have all that and probably doesn't even want that. But
what's wrong with that? Like, I don't think I don't
think it diminishes what he's done for the sport. He
just doesn't have the interest or maybe the thought that, yeah,
I want to go out and I want to build
and promote and be this revolutionary being at this at
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this level, representing the sport on a global grand scale.
And Scotti Scheffler even talked because people took that quote
that you mentioned where he just kind of said, hey, listen,
it's cool, but these moments are fleeting and he just
it wasn't as overwhelmed by everything, and it didn't it
didn't run his world and run his life the way
that the way that he a lot of athletes maybe
(06:23):
let them get to at that point. And we talked
about this where Kevin Durant Aaron Rodgers said the same thing.
They finally won a championship and they were like, is
that it? Like? Is that is that it? And so Scheffler.
Afterwards yesterday was again asked about those comments, and of
course had to clarify his statements.
Speaker 6 (06:40):
I think we live now in a day and age
of where, you know, clickbait is kind of what people
look for and you can shorten a five minute clip
into you know, three words. I think really underestimates what
I was trying to communicate. You know, maybe I didn't
do as effective a job of what I would have
hoped to in communicating that, but you know, at the
end of the day, I have a tremendous amount of
gratitude towards moments like these. I've literally worked my entire
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life to become somewhat good at this game, to be
able to play this game for a living, and it's
one of the great joys in my life.
Speaker 2 (07:06):
Being able to compete out here and.
Speaker 6 (07:08):
To be able to win the Open Championship here at
Port Rush is a feeling that's really hard to describe.
Speaker 2 (07:12):
You know, if.
Speaker 6 (07:13):
Somebody's going to listen to the comments I had this week,
I would encourage them to listen to all of it,
and hopefully I did a good job of communicating that, Yeah,
this is amazing. To win the Open Championship but at
the end of the day, having success in life, whether
it be in golf, for work, or whatever it is,
that's not what fulfills the deepest desires of your heart.
Am I grateful for it? Do I enjoy it?
Speaker 3 (07:33):
Oh?
Speaker 6 (07:33):
My gosh, Yeah, this is a cool feeling. I can't
wait to get home and celebrate this, this championship, you know,
with the people that have kind of helped me along
the way. But at the end of the day, it
doesn't fulfill the deepest.
Speaker 2 (07:44):
Desires in my heart. And uh, but it's just it's
just tough to.
Speaker 6 (07:49):
Describe when you when you when you haven't lived it.
You know, something I actually talked to Shane about this
week was, you know, just because you win a golf tournament,
accomplished something that doesn't make you happy.
Speaker 2 (07:59):
It doesn't.
Speaker 6 (08:01):
Maybe for a few moments, maybe for a few days,
but at the end of the day then you know
there's more life than playing golf. But you know, I'm
I'm pretty excited to go home and celebrate this one
works for me.
Speaker 2 (08:11):
It's just he's not wrapped up in it. He's got
a life. Sorry.
Speaker 3 (08:15):
Can I make it a comparison of Scotty Scheffler to
someone else in the radio worlds, I would say Scottie
Scheffler's perspective most closely aligns with you if you actually
look at if you look at just how you go
about and associate yourself with radio and kind of that
(08:37):
disconnect where you know, you've got a family, you also
have a son, one in which that you know, from
time to time in the big moments, we get to
see you and your son, but that's really it. And
then you guys go off and you go home, or
you go off and you do your own thing, very
similar to Scotty Scheffler. You know, you guys like to
keep the radio world in which you dominate in its
(08:58):
own space, while the whole family life and everything else
is a completely different, compartmentalized part of your life. So
I would say the closest thing in the radio world
to Scotty Scheffler is one Jonas Knox.
Speaker 2 (09:10):
Hey, I'll take it, and that is one hundred percent
spot on and correct. Maybe that's why I can what
he says resonates with me, because I don't there are
two different things the second you get home, and I've
heard athletes talk about this to where if you win
a game, or you lose a game, or you win
a fight or lose a fighter, whatever it is that
you do in competition. When you get home to your family,
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they don't care about any of that. None of that matters.
When I get home to my son, he doesn't care
what my best take the day was. What he wants
to know is, Hey, when are we going to play baseball?
Speaker 3 (09:44):
Hey?
Speaker 2 (09:45):
Can I get this monster truck? Like he doesn't care
about any of that stuff, So I yeah, maybe there
is a little something to that. Although what Scotty Scheffler
is doing at his level from a radio standpoint, I'm
nowhere close. And I do wonder what is the game
app between him and the next best player, because we've
talked about that in the NFL, where Hey, if Aaron
Donald is the best interior defensive lineman, what's the gap
(10:09):
between him and the next best? And as of right now,
who's even close to Scotti Scheffler.
Speaker 3 (10:16):
It's it's tough to figure out who exactly that person
would be because you think it back to Tiger and
I always wonder, hey, what would Phil Mickelson's career had
been like had Tiger not been around? You know, we're
probably talking about it a little bit different. You know,
maybe he still lives for the live tour, but it
leaves for the live tour. Maybe he doesn't. But there's
there's a lot of those guys that you say, man,
I wonder what you know, their career would have been
(10:38):
had they not, you know, had that Tiger Woods that
was in the way. A guy who is an anomaly
and just that much better than everyone else. I'm not
sure if you throw in like Xander Shoftley, I'm not
sure who you would, you know, throw in there, because
he's just he's been so dominant. Now I do want
to go back to Rory, and I've got a conspiracy
(10:58):
theory on this. Oh right, So I don't know if
we've got any music or if it's possible to maybe
bring back some Robert Stack.
Speaker 2 (11:08):
He's here straight off the course of Royal Troon.
Speaker 3 (11:13):
I mean, we heard the clip from a few moments
ago where it it felt over the top from NBC
and for anyone who watched in particular on Saturday, because
Rory shot one of his better rounds. I believe it
was Saturday at least, and it wasn't even the best
round of the day, but everyone was acting like it was.
I think Russell Henley actually shot the lowest round, but
they're hyping him up. He's gonna make it roll. Oh
(11:36):
my god, I mean this whole thing, it was just
so over the top, and I was thinking to myself,
wasn't it earlier in the week we saw another note
about Rory McRoy turning down eight hundred and fifty million
to go to live to her? Was it earlier this
past week or maybe two weeks ago?
Speaker 2 (11:51):
Uh? I think so? And it was. It was eight
hundred and fifty million.
Speaker 3 (11:57):
Eight hundred and fifty million.
Speaker 2 (11:59):
Jesus.
Speaker 3 (11:59):
And it feels like every single time that there's an
issue for Rory, right, we had that, we had the
whole debacle of the non conforming driver, which came out
Scotti Scheffler acknowledged it and said, hey, they took my
driver too. In fact, if we're going to do this,
why don't we do it to everyone? You know, why
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are we only doing this for a third of the
players that are in the tournament. Why doesn't everyone have
their clubs? You know? Looked at our drivers, looked at
and Royer was upset because it happened to get out
and it made him look look kind of bad, right,
because he had won it. He finally got the last
major he was looking for, and now people are saying,
(12:40):
all right, well, because he was using a non performing driver, Well,
then we didn't see him for a couple of weeks,
so you had that whole issue. Then we stopped seeing
him more and more talking to the media and saying, hey,
we're not obligated too. I was doing this on my
own account, but he didn't like how that got out
about the non conforming driver. He didn't feel like people
had his back after years of defending the PGA Tour,
(13:02):
after years of not going to the Live Tour, and
this was, in my opinion, really the next big tournament
moment they've kind of had since all of that, all
that fallout, and it's just it's not surprising to me
that you hear about him going, oh, he turned it down.
He's been turning down live tour offers forever, so either
(13:23):
he's putting it out there because he wants to keep
reminding people, Hey, I've been one of the guys who
stayed loyal. I've been one of the guys who's been
upholding the PGA Tour while the live tours try to
come in and pillage us, and I think a lot
of the broadcast and media partners have been asked to
talk as favorably as possible about him. It was a
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natural storyline for the British Open, given that was in
Northern Ireland at Royal Point Rush. But I do think
that there is a concentrated effort by all parties involved
in the PGA Tour of trying to make Rory happen
because of how everything has gone over the past couple
of years, and even though he's had his moments, he
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hasn't been quite as successful as I think he probably
would like to be, his team would like him to be,
and maybe a lot of people out there thought he
would be.
Speaker 2 (14:14):
I buy it. By the way, apologies I called it
Royal Troon on accident. My apologies didn't mean to confuse
that with Port Rush, but yeah, it makes sense because
he has really been the most vocal about supporting the
PGA Tour as opposed to live golf, like if you
think about it, more so than Tiger, more so than anybody,
and so there may be U there MAKEE good to him.
(14:36):
In response to this, with with these reports continuing to
come out, of at the live tour could be that
I buy it, that makes sense. He did disappear for
a little bit, and he didn't seem all that pleased
about you know, the testing of the clubs and and
all that that went on, and Scottie Scheffler was just like, hey,
I mean, is what it is, but that that was
(14:57):
a fantastic performance for Scotty Seffer And do you think
he's like Joker where he lets his horses play with
his trophies when they get home and just kind of
says that I don't need this, this is just a
toy at this point.
Speaker 3 (15:11):
I don't know. I hope he's really boring. I actually
love the fact that he just seems like a really
good normal guy. You know, he wins it. He looks
immediately for his wife and son. You know, he's standing
with them, hugging with them. You know, his dad comes
up and he's like, I have no words. I mean,
he's he's on such a run right now the past
couple of years that I imagine now as a father
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watching a child do something like this, the pinnacle of
that sport. And he's talked about how hard he's worked
to get here and at being here, especially with the
early struggles and some of the changes that he made.
But you look at it and you just go, yeah,
I'm speechless too. I mean even after you won. The
broadcasters were speechless he said it. They're like, what do
(15:54):
you say? I mean, what do you say at this
point when it feels like it's an inevitable every single
time he steps up on a big stage, if he's
not winning it, he's right there in the mix, and
you better hope he doesn't have that lead going into Sunday.
Speaker 2 (16:07):
Was Bryson de Shambo? Did I see this correctly? He
was tied for one hundred and forty fourth at one
point and finished tenth. I think he was like tied
for tenth.
Speaker 3 (16:15):
At one point. They came all the way back.
Speaker 2 (16:19):
That's like under the radar, like really impressive.
Speaker 3 (16:22):
Was What was impressive was and this is one of
the things that I've appreciated about his like transition from
being one of more hated players in golf to one
of the most likable. Now the putt he hit, I
think he ended up finishing out like ten under or something.
The putt he hit though on eighteen on the final day,
he gave like the biggest fiss pump and like Brohuk
to a Scatty and he just he embraces it like
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he's one of those guys who like fully embraces where
it's at. I think that's the only knock that you're
gonna hear on Scotti Scheffler in the running's on right
now is he's not playing Bryson d. Chambeau every week.
You know, he's not playing you know, Tyrrell Hadden or
whoever else do you want to say that's on the
live tour that you could say it would be a
you know, a quality golfer because we only see him
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the Majors. And even though Scotty's dominating when he plays
in the Majors, he's not playing those guys on a
weekly basis. So that is the other caveat to like
looking at Scotty Scheffer's run and comparing it to Tiger.
It's a little bit too like the Lebron Jordan debate,
where people kind of forget just how dominant good Jordan
was in an era where different brand of basketball, so
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many stars that he went through in the East too,
just to be able to get to a championship as
compared to how bad the East was during Lebron's career,
and even though he made it to all these NBA finals,
you're like, Okay, that's that was a much easier path
than what Jordan had to deal with. Kind of similar
to with Scheffler, it hasn't been the most difficult path path.
And maybe why Jack Nicholas sel he said after the
(17:48):
Memorial Tournament this year, you know, just kind of talking
about some of the guys who are in competition that
he had a feeling they were going to fold in
the end when they were going up against Scotty Scheffler.
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Speaker 2 (19:14):
Oh yeah, I gotta tell you man with LeVar not here.
This land's a little different and I don't know what
it is.
Speaker 3 (19:28):
Yeah, it feels like we just walked into a room.
We probably shouldn't be in.
Speaker 2 (19:33):
Was that the the JaMarcus Russell draft party you and
your family walked into?
Speaker 3 (19:37):
Was that the I mean that was uh and like
fat Joe or something was all right during his heyday.
Speaker 2 (19:48):
Good seeing everybody.
Speaker 3 (19:48):
We're out of here, Taris Squad. I just love the
fact that my now eighty eight year old grandmother I'd
walked through that thing. I mean, I don't know if
she'd ever been a club in her life, at least
not like and we walked right through the front door
and right out the back. All right, Grandma, have to
get out of here.
Speaker 2 (20:08):
It is two pros and a cup of Joe. Here
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Gift that keeps giving in the National Football League now
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the NFLPA. We said, you know, maybe there'll be some
wholesale changes here, you know, because it does appear like
this collusion stuff that came out and Lloyd Howe and
the conflict of interest and everything that came along with it,
and then Lloyd Howel decided, you know what, We're just
gonna go ahead and step down. I'm gonna step down here.
You know, you're thinking, maybe he just doesn't want to
(20:49):
be a distraction anymore, maybe just you know, once the
focus to be back on the players, et cetera, et cetera.
Then it turns out that an outside investigator hired by
the union found that Lloyd Howell charged the union for
strip club visits during his time with the NFLPA, most
(21:10):
notably these two. He was picked up at the airport
by a car service in Fort Lauderdale back in twenty
twenty three, and he went straight to a place called
Tutsi's Cabaret for eight hours. Oh yeah, I'm not listening.
Speaker 3 (21:25):
People know Tutsies.
Speaker 2 (21:28):
I have not. I have not been to Tutsi's Caabaret.
But I'm assuming if you go there for eight hours,
you had a good time.
Speaker 3 (21:38):
Having a nice meal, a good time. I'm not sure
that's a prerequisite, by the way, for being the executive
director of the NFLPA. You know, just because you representing
the players doesn't mean you need to be a player.
Speaker 2 (21:52):
I mean, look, one time that was a one time thing.
You know, he just he had just gotten off a plane.
Maybe they're was, you know, a hot flight attendant, and
he was like, you know what, enough's enough. I got
to go take advantage of this mood that I'm in.
So I'm going to go to Toutsi's for a couple
hours listen or a few or eight whatever you want
to call it. That's fine. Just one time is enough.
(22:14):
Then it turns out that back in February, February twenty first,
to be exact, not long after they had that conversation
in court about collusion, you know, when they should have
been filing an appeal at that time. They had a
window of time to appeal the decision in court, but
they were busy because on February twenty first, during the
(22:37):
Player's summit in Atlanta, Lloyd Hal accompanied employees to the
Magic City Strip Club for an outing that incurred a
little over twenty four hundred dollars in charges, including cash
withdrawals ranging from two hundred dollars to five hundred and
twenty five dollars from a club atm Sources and documents
(22:58):
show they used quote two VIP rooms. According to the
expense report, the purpose of the Strip Club outing was
quote player engagement event to support and grow our union.
Something was growing. I don't know if it was the union,
but I could assure you members of the union grew
(23:21):
at Magic City that night. I can assure you of that.
Speaker 3 (23:24):
Well. I think there were some Lloyd Halli fans who
probably got a little excited that night. They probably didn't
want to blow all their excitement and want a particular
night or spot. But you know, look, we make light
of this. Oh, this is one of the examples of
why again I keep going back to it, and people
(23:46):
will probably get upset when I say this. The NFLPA
is the worst run union. And I'm saying this as
someone who I don't like admitting that. I don't like
saying that there's some good benefits that the NFL players
have post career or even throughout their career compared to
other professional sports leagues. But these are the types of
(24:06):
things that happen behind the scenes. That is just abuse.
I mean, think about how many hard working guys who
never tap into having to use the some of the
different resources that the NFLPA provides, and so they're paying
their fair share. And meanwhile, this is where a portion
of those funds are going to It's ridiculous. It's absolutely ridiculous.
(24:32):
It's probably one of the reasons too, why JC Tretter
decided to resign as well, even though he's saying it's
not due to all the other stuff people are saying
out there. He's making his own decision on this. That's fine.
You know, he's been in the room. He knows exactly
what happened. But he was too attached to Lloyd Howell
and getting him to become the executive director and then
(24:53):
coming back as the chief strategy officer. So maybe they
were working in cahoots. Mind you used to be a
strip club in Columbus, Ohio. Kudes not using in that
way right now, no kidding, But maybe Lloyd Howe, yeah,
apparently had a great lunch. So I don't know. That's
just what the meat wagon tells me. Lloyd Howe and J. C.
(25:15):
Treader were working in coots on these different player and
engagements at strip clubs. I don't know. Maybe it was
their idea, maybe it wasn't. At this point, I think
we can just widely speculate, But I would think that
someone who graduated from Penn and as an NBA from
Harvard and Lloyd Howe would realize this is not going
to look good if I'm a part of this. But
(25:38):
apparently maybe they're not teaching that Harvard. Maybe they are,
I don't know, I don't know, maybe that's part of
Harvard business core. Nowise I mean to talk about player engagement,
someone engaging all the playoffs.
Speaker 2 (25:48):
To see and also, by the way, Lloyd Howe had
some of this stuff in his past, specifically strip clubs
in his past where a previous employer there were issues
about stuff that he was trying to write off or
expense rather to the company back in like twenty fifteen.
So it wasn't like this was a well, look, you
know he one night, bad judgment. No, there were multiple times,
(26:12):
one one back in February, the other in twenty twenty
three that we know about or that's come out. And
then you had another incident and there was you know,
sexual discrimination accusations against Lloyd Howell and all this stuff.
So you just see all this stuff breakdown and then
you've got you know, Jonathan Jones talks of CBS talks
with JC Tredder and the way that landed with me
(26:34):
because there was a lot. It felt like JC Tredder
wanted to get and I think he said as much,
wanted to get his side of the story out first
because I think there's probably something coming out on him soon.
That's what it felt like to me, And he got
really aggressive with it and just said, oh don't. I
just want to be with my family. I have no
interest in any more involvement in the NFLPA. I'm done.
(26:57):
I just want to go spend time with my family.
That to me feels like something else is going to
come out, and it's probably going to come out on J. C. Trader.
That's what it landed like to me.
Speaker 3 (27:07):
Maybe not specifically about him, but something's going to come
out that's going to involve him. And here's the thing is,
I think most people who sign up to be a
part of the union have to realize that you're going
to be taking bullets for the union, the players, a
lot of things that are going on. He talked about
that too in his piece with Jonathan Jones, or at
least what he had reportedly said to Jonathan Jones. And
(27:28):
that's what you sign up for. That's what that job is.
If you don't like it, don't sign up for it
in the first place, but it feels like he was
angling to eventually maybe take over as executive director, and
that was how this whole thing was orchestrated and set up.
So I look at it and just say, it's once
again an example of an NFLPA that struggles to find
(27:50):
the best to take over at that executive director job.
And you know, moving forward, who do they go get
to replace them? There's gonna be a vote soon, at
least reportedly, that's what we're hearing. Will it be Don Davis?
I mean, and look, I'm sure fans don't care on
the outside. I mean, this doesn't matter to the product
they're gonna see on Sundays. It's not gonna change anything
(28:12):
in that regard. But this is more of the business
behind the scenes where the owners are once again getting
a leg up because if they're looking across the negotiating
table at the NFLPA right now, it looks weak and
it looks like they're gonna be able to take advantage
of whatever comes next. So I don't know where the
NFLPA goes from here and who they're looking at to
(28:34):
try to bring in as the full time executive director
or if whoever they vote as the interim executive director
gets an opportunity to make it their full time gig.
But this should be a wake up call. I said
it last week. This is damning. It should be a
wake up call, and there should be a lot of
frustrated and angry union members if we're being honest with ourselves.
Speaker 2 (28:57):
Yeah, because now you're looking at this going so these
are the guys that are supposed to be getting our
messaging across. These are the guys that we trust with.
You know, we're putting our lives on the line. We'd like,
you know, something better for us and our future moving forward,
and you know, instead we got these guys going to
tootsies after a flight and like, it's just I mean,
(29:19):
and here's what here's what I would say. I do
think it's I do people listening. It may not affect, say,
your fantasy football team on a Sunday specifically, but I
think it affects how the league looks because the extra games,
everything that comes along with it that you know owners
have been pushing for that. You know, players have said, well,
(29:40):
we need this and we want that. And I wasn't
aware of the lack of the players of unions, their
lack of being able to get a deal done until
working with you and hearing former players who have been
through it talk about, look, man, we need this, we
need that. We need that. We don't need a larger
windows we can smoke weed, we don't need less padded practices.
(30:03):
We need this, we need long term healthcare. Like we
these are the things that we need, and they never
get done. And then when you see stuff like this
come out, you go, well, christ Man, like, how are
they supposed to win any negotiation with the owners or
get anything done when this is what's happening behind the scenes.
Speaker 3 (30:20):
I mean, maybe have the owners at the strip club
with them. Great call, Maybe that would have helped negotiations.
Speaker 2 (30:25):
I make great call.
Speaker 3 (30:26):
I mean, by the way, I'm just saying, I think
there's a few out there that have been well documented
that would not They wouldn't say no.
Speaker 2 (30:33):
Yeah. But the thing is, robber Craft just gets straight
to the point like this.
Speaker 3 (30:37):
I didn't not to name names for record, I did
not name names.
Speaker 2 (30:39):
Well, I just did. That's on you, I just did.
Robber Craft's like laptant. Seriously, kiss my ass. I'm going
right over there and I'll see you guys in fifteen minutes,
and I'm gonna be relaxed afterwards, laugh Dand I don't leave.
Speaker 3 (30:54):
I don't think he'd be disappointed if he's going to
Tutsi's so.
Speaker 2 (30:57):
By the way, this is important, important stuff here on
this show because you count on this show to get
this stuff done. Uh, we have got information, Lead to Lap.
Oh yeah, our executive producer.
Speaker 3 (31:13):
Can this be Lee's intro song from now on? Y?
Speaker 2 (31:17):
We so Lead the Lap are executive Lee.
Speaker 3 (31:25):
It's like the whitest thing you've ever done. I wish
you could see his face when he does it.
Speaker 2 (31:30):
Hey, by the way, Lee, that should be a home
game for you. Come on, pick up your game a
little bit. So Lead the Lap has done some research.
He's done copious research on So you've got both Tootsi's
Cabaret and Cahoots.
Speaker 3 (31:45):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (31:45):
What I can find for Cahoots gone but not forgotten
because there they're pages. Their pages have gone down. But
I found some information including some uh Columbus. Uh, the
City of Columbus having to pay out six exotic dancers
because they were being targeted by undercover vice. That's an
interesting story there. Yeah, if you were going there, you
(32:06):
could get half off Martiniz on Mondays. That's you know,
can't find as many deals as I can find on Tutsies,
which is still going in fact a great deal, and
I can understand why they were meeting there because you
can get a great party room package for two thousand
dollars which comes which comes with fourteen hundred dollars to
spend on food and drink.
Speaker 3 (32:22):
So just changes everything. They're actually spending those moneys in
an economic manner for their meeting. Yabil was the cheapest
place they could find for a meeting in South Florida.
Speaker 5 (32:31):
Yeah, you get a private room with like pay per
view all free pay per view events so you could
watch the games all.
Speaker 3 (32:37):
So actually I've completely turned course on this and they
were actually doing the union of favor and they found
the cheapest place to have this meeting.
Speaker 2 (32:45):
Yeah, so hold on, So that's at Tutsies. This is
that Tutsies where you get and their menus. By the way,
howat how about the fact that Lloyd Howell got off
a flight and was like, man, I don't want to
go home, go home?
Speaker 3 (32:57):
Does does Pould feel like he needed to do it
for the street crowd. It's like, yeah, I'm one of
the guys. I'm going to come out here and you
know what I'm saying, Like I'm an executive director, but
I need to meet everyone at a strip club just
to be like, I'm one of the boys.
Speaker 2 (33:09):
How about the balls on him to try and expense it,
like you know what I mean, Like.
Speaker 3 (33:14):
Though, you're like, you Pen Harvard NBA guy, and you
don't think that as you're walking in this situation, this
is gonna go wrong at some point. I mean, this
is like this will be a case study at Harvard
Business School at some point, or someone will write one
and throw Harvard's name on it and sell it or
license in that other school.
Speaker 2 (33:33):
I'll even give Lee credit, all right, Lee who loves
to bend the elbow. He loves to lick the lid
when we go on like the Super Bowl week or
we go on work trips. I've had conversations about Lee
about like, listen, you know that you can expense certain
things whatnot we get a perdem and Lee has told
me specifically, yeah, I'm not going to expense my alcohol,
(33:53):
for first of all, the company would go broke. Secondly,
it's just kind of a bad look. Lloyd how's like
Magic City player engagement.
Speaker 5 (34:02):
Okay, that's what's itemized on the receipt. You know, sometimes
they don't necessarily itemize what's on.
Speaker 2 (34:09):
There, all right, So what else about? By the way,
on Cahoots, there is a yelp, Yeah, that does have
some reviews. The first most prominent reviews are from people
locally in the Columbus area, won by the name of
Jake the other Pat in that's about right. What is
the what are you else you've seen about Cahoots there
in Columbus? Oh?
Speaker 5 (34:30):
Yeah, from like I said, it's uh, it's mostly the
news story about them suing the local police for the
undercover vice.
Speaker 3 (34:40):
I've see the reviews you're talking about, though, Jonas. This
one says, Pat says, has a great lunchtime buffet. I
didn't let the melons. What that means getting the way?
Oh okay, I know what that means. I know what
that means. And here's a Jake heare says I did wings,
(35:03):
but the thighs are better. Wow.
Speaker 2 (35:07):
I see an awkward layout.
Speaker 5 (35:09):
Girls are excited to be there, but little talent, very
orchestrated routines. Vibe is bland. Average age twenty one. Music
isn't current.
Speaker 2 (35:19):
I'm seeing another one here from the Jake character that
you mentioned. Had a great time with my friend Gus
after a golf tournament. The tacos are awesome, So I
apparently this is a thing. So Cahoots, Yeah, peace.
Speaker 3 (35:43):
Gone but never forgotten.
Speaker 5 (35:44):
That's what their Instagram page is on.
Speaker 2 (35:49):
Doesn't really do?
Speaker 3 (35:50):
Yeah, Instagram page for a defunct strip club. Maybe maybe
that's a new thing, Like maybe somebody's go around scouring
these cities and just find every strip club that's shut
down and create on Instagram account.
Speaker 2 (36:07):
By the way, this is two different worlds. So that's Columbus, Ohio.
Out here in southern California. The Cahoots that I know
is in Moore Park. It's a feed and pet store.
So two completely different Cahoots in different parts of the country.
Speaker 3 (36:22):
Well, the Californias may have felt like they look the
same when they get there, probably, I mean pressed.
Speaker 2 (36:28):
That's a very good point, Leah. Anything else you'd like
to add on either a Tootsies cabaret or Cahoots.
Speaker 5 (36:34):
Well, Tutsies, I mean, next time I go or first
time I go, I'm gonna get me some world famous
fried lobster tail looks great. Some seafood rice, maybe some
famous TUTSI slow roasted ribs. They got a great combo
meal where it comes with grilled shrimp they're famous for.
Speaker 2 (36:50):
And their dessert you get.
Speaker 5 (36:52):
Banana caramel fried cheesecake for only seven dollars.
Speaker 3 (36:56):
I Melee, do you ever contemplate? I mean, I know
it's in South Florida, so you'd assume the fish is fresh.
But do you ever contemplate when you're eating fish? You
know wherehere did you get it from?
Speaker 5 (37:10):
I do, But worst decision I ever made in my
life was getting oysters in Venice, Italy. I didn't really
think about it before I did it, and then I did.
As soon as I tasted it, I was like, why
would I have ever gotten oysters in Venezuela?
Speaker 3 (37:24):
I guess real quick, I guess the worst thing that
could happen to you at Tootsies is probably not food poisoning.
It's probably getting something.
Speaker 2 (37:32):
Else, right, I would say, Lee, do you remember You
probably don't remember this the night that you bailed and
face planted in New Orleans for the super I remember
most of well. So we went to a place in
New Orleans and they had oysters that they were like fresh, yeah,
(37:53):
I remember, okay, because you off dozed off with the
bar top and almost the plate of oysters over the bar.
Speaker 5 (38:01):
That's how good.
Speaker 2 (38:03):
And the guy sitting on the other side of the
lee goes, hey, buddy, you are right, that's just.
Speaker 3 (38:12):
A Wednesday new or.
Speaker 2 (38:16):
The bar so good? Those were delicious. Well, hey, look, uh,
the NFLPA has got problems. They're hoping to rid themselves
of those problems. And now, uh, now maybe we'll get
this whole thing figured out here.
Speaker 3 (38:29):
But that's a good thing. He resigned though, you know,
imagine imagine this coming out and then he's still the
executive director and answer to this, that's all right, Now
it's time to throw the towel.
Speaker 2 (38:40):
That's the other thing. None of this would have come
out if Pablo Tori didn't get a hold of the transcripts.
Think about like, if he hadn't done enough digging to
try and get this information, none of that stuff would
have come out, and this would have all still been
going on, and it would have been like, man, really
hope they can get a better deal for us. Meanwhile,
there whatever strip they're at this week, our next year,
(39:02):
you know.
Speaker 3 (39:02):
We need to do we need to have Lee try
to call maybe either in the next segment during the
break and just give us an idea of how much
it costs to get a conference room at one of
these hotels in South Florida versus the deal that he
just signed up for the vip room at tutsis. Honest. Yeah,
maybe they called around and they're like, dude, you're not
gonna believe this, but we actually can't find a better
(39:24):
deal than Tutsie's vip rooms special. So that's where your
meeting when you go down in Poland.
Speaker 2 (39:30):
Yeah, Lee, Lee, you think you make that happen? On it.
We'll get a price point on that moving forward.
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Speaker 2 (39:46):
I don't know if you knew this or not, but
the WNBA had an All Star game this weekend.
Speaker 3 (39:50):
I was aware of that. I was aware of that.
Speaker 2 (39:53):
I did not watch because just had no real interest.
All star games are for me, and especially all star
games involving a league that I am not crazy about.
It's just not for me.
Speaker 3 (40:07):
Not my thing.
Speaker 2 (40:09):
But of course we had a little bit of you know, controversy.
Kelsey Plum of the w n B A, uh, they
are what the T shirt said, specifically, we deserve more
money is it was something along those lines, pay us more,
pay us what you owe us got you so pay
us what you owe us and Kelsey Plum of the
(40:32):
Sparks spoke over the weekend and of course figured out
a way to maybe throw a little bit of shade
herself at one Caitlin Clark.
Speaker 4 (40:40):
That was a very powerful moment. We didn't, at least
as players, we didn't know that that was going to happen,
so I think it was kind of like a genuine surprise.
But the T shirt just united front was determined this
morning that we had a meeting for and uh, you know,
not to to Chattletale, but zero members of Team Clark
(41:03):
were very present for that.
Speaker 2 (41:06):
So that was Kelsey Plumb making it a point to
point out that Caitlin Clark.
Speaker 3 (41:12):
Was It's amazing how the WNBA players can't get out
of their own way. It's incredible. The girl who arguably,
I don't even think it's arguable, you know, you can't
argue it at this point, she has brought the ratings,
she has brought any sort of momentum this league has had.
And yet, even in an instance where you're trying to
(41:34):
look unified in your call to get compensated more, you
take a shot at the one person who's leading this
entire league into maybe eventually profitability. I never understand this.
I never understand this. It is the stupidest way of
handling business. So look, if we want to talk about
(41:57):
the past yu o us, we can talk about that.
I mean, the league was started in nineteen ninety six.
At no point hasn't ever turned a profit at no point.
I mean at times there's estimates that the league reportedly
lost to an eighty million. It's lost up to four
hundred million if you go back to twenty ten. This
is all reported. Okay, So people are going to debate
(42:18):
the facts of where the numbers come from because the
finances they're not very transparent, and in part because you know,
a lot of these teams are kind of rolled into
some of the NBA ownerships, Like you look at Matt
NIESHBA who that came along with that was the Mercury Phoenix.
And there's reports or people that discussed that that was
(42:39):
thrown into the deal at a value of zero because
the business doesn't turn a profit. Now, I'm not saying
that a business has to turn a profit in order
to be able to be a business or remain a business.
We've got all sorts of different structures for different business entities. Okay,
Amazon for example. Everyone throws out, well, Amazon didn't turn
(43:02):
a profit for eight, nine, ten years, whatever it was. Okay,
if you're using Amazon as the comparison to the WNBA,
I'm sorry, but Amazon had a revolutionary product and it's
a tech. It's a more tech than anything else. It
took a while to build up to profitability. Now it's
one of the most value companies in the world, if
(43:22):
not the most value. So you're using a unicorn to
compare to the WNBA. Now, the only thing the WNBA
really has going for it if you look at recent
years and the track record of the revenue getting closer
to profitability. I believe last year they still lost fifty million.
Mind you, still being subsidized by the NBA, who owns
(43:44):
about forty two percent of the league, and they're pumping
in anywhere between fifteen million to some suspect it could
be up to forty million a year to help offset
a lot of the operating costs. So there's the thought that, hey,
these finances aren't transparent, and they're not transparent because the
(44:05):
owners of these WNBA teams, whether they be NBA owners
or separate owners from that, they don't want them to
be publicized because then the players would have greater rights
to trying to negotiate to get paid more. I mean,
that's what this is ultimately about, is the players feel
like this league's at a better spot and they deserve
(44:25):
a greater portion of the revenue share. The NBA players
make in salaries fifty percent of the revenue the league
is able to generate. The NBA generates eleven point three
point eight billion dollars a year. NBA contracts take up
fifty percent of that. Think about that. The WNBA makes
(44:46):
reportedly four hundred five hundred million a year and their
contracts take up nine percent of that. So that's really
what this is about, is the WNBA players believe they're
underpaid in comparison to NBA players who take up a
much greater percentage of their revenue. Now, again, I'm not
an expert. I don't have all the finances. Maybe some
(45:08):
of the WNB players do, even though again it becomes
murky and hard to figure out the exact figures. The
one thing we know, though, is valuations keep skyrocketing. All
these teams that the people who paid zero dollars for
ten million four when you go back five years ago,
four years ago, they're now somehow around twitter million now.
On paper, that always looks good, but the reality is
(45:32):
it's gonna be hard to have a team that actually
stays in business if you don't eventually turn a profit
or be able to figure out a way of turning
a lot of the money you're throwing in this thing
into money that will become profit and eventually you can
invest back into the team. So that's the crux of
this issue is the players want to be paid more,
but you've got a business that's not earning any profits,
(45:56):
which makes it hard to be able to sustain unless
you've got people with deep pockets who want to keep
it investing, keep investing. Eventually, sometimes that welder goes dry.
There's not many businesses out there that can remain unprofitable
for thirty years and still be able to stay in business,
it's hard to do. Not saying the WNBA can't do it,
not saying they don't have a ton of positive momentum
(46:17):
right now. I'm not even saying that the women should
be paid more in comparison to their NBA counterparts. But
I don't know that this is the best way of
going about doing it. I don't know if you want
to ostracize your star in Kaitlin Clark as part of that,
even though I believe she put on a T shirt
at some point and what's wearing it and probably feel
similar to the rest of the crew, But why take
(46:40):
the shot? What's the purpose of that?
Speaker 2 (46:42):
That's the part. And this is why I struggle to
even entertain the idea of paying more attention to the WNBA,
because they've all I ever hear about when it comes
to the WNBA is all the Hey, what did Britney
Griner say under her breath? And was it a racial
slur while she was sitting on the bench. Hey, Caitlyn
(47:04):
Clark got fouled here. Somebody doesn't like Caitlin Clark here,
Angel Reese says this the debate online everything is drama,
Everything is controversy, Like there's no, okay, what are there
any on court highlights? Like any anything from a game?
We can look at anything, because I see those with
Caitlyn Clark. Yet everything every time somebody speaks out publicly
(47:27):
about her, it seems like they're taking a shot. And
for Kelsey Plumb and some of these other players, it's
real simple. If you want more, why would you diminish
the person that can help get you more? Why why
would you do that? I don't and I always go
back to this Charles Barkley quote where he was talking
(47:48):
with Dan LeBatard and he said, man, when Magic Johnson
signed his twenty five year, twenty five million dollar contract,
we were all high fiving in the Sixers' locker room
because we realized, oh, if he's getting that, that's great
for all of us. It was more of a this
like for everybody involved, this is a win. Like you.
(48:09):
You didn't have people bad mouthing it. They were celebrating
because they realized, Hey, this is all part of the
greater good. More eyeballs, more exposure, more money, and then
you end up getting what you're demanding on that T
shirt instead. Now we just can't help ourselves. It's all
star weekend. You know, we've got a little bit of
a platform here. Let's go ahead and take a shot
of the best player. Is she the best player in
(48:29):
the league. Probably not, but she's the most talked about
and she's the one that can get you places. It's like, look, man,
Tiger Woods. There was a time when I remember having
this discussion on the air because there were people that
are like, man, you know, Tiger's not the same player
he was. You know, there's more guys in this tournament
than just Tiger Woods. Okay, fair, but why diminish that
(48:53):
you would want him in every single tournament, to make
the cut in every single tournament because more people are
going to watch, and it's better for business, it's better revenue,
it's more exposure. If I was these WNBA players, I
would go above and beyond to welcome her in celebrate her,
get more positive feedback and more positive conversation around it,
(49:13):
as opposed to give us a T shirt all and
let's point out the fact that she was not there
for the initial meeting before she eventually put on the shirt.
I don't understand it. I don't get it at all.
It would be like trying to grow this show and
ripping you publicly. Who's going to listen to the show
if I'm sitting here bearing you publicly? Who would do that? Why?
I think it doesn't help anybody involved, and for some reason,
(49:35):
they can't help themselves in doing this.
Speaker 3 (49:37):
What's odd too is there's people, and this is mostly
born on social media, who want to attack those who
are skeptical about the league. When if you look at
the ratings, yes, it's growing in viewership, there's some momentum there,
but a lot of it's tied around Kaitlyn Clark. I mean,
you can see the differentiated numbers from viewership with her
with an average about a million versus viewership without her
(50:00):
that sometimes way less. And when you factor then in
compared to other sports, you realize there's a long road ahead.
And then when you look at the estimates of what
some of these WNBA fr franchises are worth. For example,
the Las Vegas a ass Mark Davis purchased them in
twenty twenty one, so four years ago, you know how
(50:21):
much you paid for him two million bucks. The franchise
value right now supposedly is two hundred and ninety million dollars.
So are we really supposed to believe they've increased in
value six percent in the last four years. Is that?
(50:42):
How much more? Like it's okay to be skeptical about this.
I mean, this happens in the stock market all the time,
where there's companies that against struggle to urn profits, had
bad quarters, bad years, and you're like, how the hell
are they? You know, price as high as they are,
the price per share earnings ratio is off. There's always
different ratios you're going to look at. Look at the
New York Liberty. Okay, that was a team that was
(51:02):
purchased for ten million in twenty nineteen. They've supposedly reached
four and twenty million invaluation. The Atlanta Dream I get
purchased twenty twenty one. I believe seven to ten million
someone in that ballpark reportedly now it's the lowest of
all of about one hundred and ninety million. So there's
(51:24):
some skepticism because we're not seeing the crowds at the games.
The viewership is better, but it's not dominated. It's not
you know, packed, like we're a custa sing unless usually
it's Kaitlin Clark involved. I mean again, and I already
talked about the Phoenix Mercury or the Minnesota Lynx. I mean,
those are franchises that again there were package deals with
their NBA teams, but again reportedly, there was little consideration
(51:48):
given to the valuations of both WNBA teams. I mean,
I mean, so when they keep pushing to be paid more,
the problem is I feel like there's a lot of
people out there on the outside who they look at
the entire league and say, it'll warn't being paid more
when you're there, But it's not there yet. And part
(52:08):
of the issue is you're attacking quite possibly, I don't
get it the most, the most, you know, the best player,
maybe the most polarizing player, howeveryone describe.
Speaker 2 (52:19):
I don't get it, and there keeps.
Speaker 3 (52:20):
Being everything outside of the actual game itself.
Speaker 2 (52:23):
I don't. I just I don't. It makes no sense
to me. That's why. Look, you know, you talk about
we were mentioning boxing earlier, like there's a reason why
more boxers are now starting to be open minded to
Jake Paul at like on a card fighting him, because
they realize the opportunity in the eyeballs he brings, like
(52:45):
they're realizing, oh, we kind of need this. It helps
everybody involved and for some reason. They just want to
diminish her every chance they get. I don't get it
doesn't make any sense.
This is the best of two pros and a couple
Joe with Lamar arings and rating win and Jonas Knox
on radio.
Speaker 2 (00:13):
Listen, if you are listening to the iHeartRadio app and
you are listening in Europe and all over the world,
congratulations because somebody from here went over and took from there.
Speaker 3 (00:26):
That's right.
Speaker 2 (00:27):
Big win yesterday for Scotti Scheffler, raising the American flag
and representing the country proud and putting on a show
yet again. The greatest golfer on the planet performs yet again,
seventeen under guy finished seventeen under par So Scotti Scheffler
is your Can we call it the British Open? Just
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to be a pain in the ass of all we.
Speaker 3 (00:49):
Call it the British Open? I think everyone else is
the one that calls it the Open. I mean it
is the oldest Major, so there is something to that.
But the run that he's been on the past two
years is incredible. I think he's been the number one
player now for one hundred and fourteen weeks. Like we're
watching a run similar to some of the all time
greats that I will caution this people have been, you know,
(01:11):
putting out there all these stats comparing him to Tiger. Okay,
so twenty twenty two to twenty twenty five, which is
the run Scotty's been on. He plays, he's played in
eighty one events, he's one to twenty. He's got four
majors and two players championships. Okay, Tiger from two thousand
and two to two thousand and five, seventy nine events,
eighteen wins, four majors, zero players championships. So you're like, oh, okay,
(01:33):
it's kind of similar to Tiger, right, so maybe some
of this is warranted. Then you go back three years
before that for Tiger from ninety nine to two thousand
and two, seventy eight events, twenty seven wins, seven majors,
one players. So I will say what Scotty's doing is
in sports right now. I would argue he's the most
(01:57):
dominant player where he feels like the sun coming up tomorrow,
where if he's in a lead going into the final round,
it is inevitable. And that's what you hear them talk about,
that he's going to win and he's not going to win.
He might beat the brakes off the rest of the field,
and that's how it kind of felt, even though NBC
did their best to pump up Ry McElroy all they could.
(02:19):
It was I the only one who felt that way
watching it.
Speaker 2 (02:22):
Oh, it's I mean, we've got okay, did you hear
this was courtesy? Do we know the credit on this?
On this all right? So this was we're going to
try and get the credit. So if you are listening
overseas and you're a big fan of this show, understand
that we will get the credit as soon as we
have the proper credit to give. But this was the
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British version of Rory McElroy over the weekend, and you
tell me if there was a rooting interest here from
that side of the world.
Speaker 3 (02:52):
This is for Eagle three.
Speaker 2 (02:54):
It's on its way.
Speaker 4 (02:55):
Come on, Rory, come on, Rory, keep going, keep going,
keep going.
Speaker 3 (02:58):
Let's go, it's coming over the ridge.
Speaker 5 (03:00):
Go one on again, on again, Yes, bounce f Rory McElroy,
Eagle on the twelfth.
Speaker 2 (03:11):
It's like like hearing me roote for my kid, like
at mini golf, Like, what are we doing here? Aren't
you supposed to be impartial? Aren't you supposed to just
call it as it is instead of openly rooting and
pulling for somebody to win in these events. I mean,
I don't know golf etiquette as well as you do,
but I would assume as a broadcaster, that's the etiquette
(03:31):
you should have. So there's a couple of thoughts. The
first is, yes, you're supposed to be unbiased. You're supposed
to kind of follow.
Speaker 3 (03:39):
The way the tournament or the game is going, and
that's what you're supposed to highlight and talk about. However,
this was somewhat unique. There's not many tournaments that are
played in Northern Ireland. Uh, Royal Port Rush is not
the home course for Roy mcroy's home course I think
was like Hollywood Golf Club, but it was one where
you know, he's they're trying to type him up. The
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crowd was there for him. Rooty had a strong rooting interest.
And I'm sure if you're there and you feel the
crowd is constantly pulling for Rory, is following Rory, and
he's got the you know, the bulk of the crowd,
there's gonna be elements that you need to play into
on TV. But I think this was more of a
what other storyline do we have? Like we've got Scotty
(04:22):
Scheffler who's dominating the sport. Everyone's heard about it, talked
about it, you know, after his press earlier in the
week where he kind of downplayed the success, downplayed the
Pinnacle moments, and he talked a little bit about that
after he won. But when you have a player like
that who doesn't want to lean into it, and Jordan
Smith even talked about this a little bit, that he's
(04:44):
not trying to, you know, change the game like Tiger did.
Like he's just coming there to win and he's going
home with his family, like that's that's all he cares about.
I think from that perspective, it makes it tough for
TV to really, you know, ravitate towards a guy who's
not trying to lean into everything they're trying to do
to continue to build the game. And I'm not saying
(05:07):
that Scotty Scheffer's not building the game. I think he's
doing it in his own way. But I guess is
contemporaries like those guys don't feel like he is.
Speaker 2 (05:18):
I mean, look, he's not. Tiger Woods was his own world,
like his own universe, and that's why you could argue
who's the greatest golfer of all time? If you were
around watching golfer watching sports when Tiger was in his prime.
That's Jordan, Like we're talking, that's rarefied air that we
(05:38):
will not see. And yes, Scotti Scheffler's you know, doesn't
have all that and probably doesn't even want that. But
what's wrong with that? Like, I don't think I don't
think it diminishes what he's done for the sport. He
just doesn't have the interest or maybe the thought that, yeah,
I want to go out and I want to build
and promote and be this revolutionary being at this at
(06:02):
this level, representing the sport on a global grand scale.
And Scotti Scheffler even talked because people took that quote
that you mentioned where he just kind of said, hey, listen,
it's cool, but these moments are fleeting and he just
it wasn't as overwhelmed by everything, and it didn't it
didn't run his world and run his life the way
that the way that he a lot of athletes maybe
(06:23):
let them get to at that point. And we talked
about this where Kevin Durant Aaron Rodgers said the same thing.
They finally won a championship and they were like, is
that it? Like? Is that is that it? And so Scheffler.
Afterwards yesterday was again asked about those comments, and of
course had to clarify his statements.
Speaker 6 (06:40):
I think we live now in a day and age
of where, you know, clickbait is kind of what people
look for and you can shorten a five minute clip
into you know, three words. I think really underestimates what
I was trying to communicate. You know, maybe I didn't
do as effective a job of what I would have
hoped to in communicating that, but you know, at the
end of the day, I have a tremendous amount of
gratitude towards moments like these. I've literally worked my entire
(07:01):
life to become somewhat good at this game, to be
able to play this game for a living, and it's
one of the great joys in my life.
Speaker 2 (07:06):
Being able to compete out here and.
Speaker 6 (07:08):
To be able to win the Open Championship here at
Port Rush is a feeling that's really hard to describe.
Speaker 2 (07:12):
You know, if.
Speaker 6 (07:13):
Somebody's going to listen to the comments I had this week,
I would encourage them to listen to all of it,
and hopefully I did a good job of communicating that, Yeah,
this is amazing. To win the Open Championship but at
the end of the day, having success in life, whether
it be in golf, for work, or whatever it is,
that's not what fulfills the deepest desires of your heart.
Am I grateful for it? Do I enjoy it?
Speaker 3 (07:33):
Oh?
Speaker 6 (07:33):
My gosh, Yeah, this is a cool feeling. I can't
wait to get home and celebrate this, this championship, you know,
with the people that have kind of helped me along
the way. But at the end of the day, it
doesn't fulfill the deepest.
Speaker 2 (07:44):
Desires in my heart. And uh, but it's just it's
just tough to.
Speaker 6 (07:49):
Describe when you when you when you haven't lived it.
You know, something I actually talked to Shane about this
week was, you know, just because you win a golf tournament,
accomplished something that doesn't make you happy.
Speaker 2 (07:59):
It doesn't.
Speaker 6 (08:01):
Maybe for a few moments, maybe for a few days,
but at the end of the day then you know
there's more life than playing golf. But you know, I'm
I'm pretty excited to go home and celebrate this one
works for me.
Speaker 2 (08:11):
It's just he's not wrapped up in it. He's got
a life. Sorry.
Speaker 3 (08:15):
Can I make it a comparison of Scotty Scheffler to
someone else in the radio worlds, I would say Scottie
Scheffler's perspective most closely aligns with you if you actually
look at if you look at just how you go
about and associate yourself with radio and kind of that
(08:37):
disconnect where you know, you've got a family, you also
have a son, one in which that you know, from
time to time in the big moments, we get to
see you and your son, but that's really it. And
then you guys go off and you go home, or
you go off and you do your own thing, very
similar to Scotty Scheffler. You know, you guys like to
keep the radio world in which you dominate in its
(08:58):
own space, while the whole family life and everything else
is a completely different, compartmentalized part of your life. So
I would say the closest thing in the radio world
to Scotty Scheffler is one Jonas Knox.
Speaker 2 (09:10):
Hey, I'll take it, and that is one hundred percent
spot on and correct. Maybe that's why I can what
he says resonates with me, because I don't there are
two different things the second you get home, and I've
heard athletes talk about this to where if you win
a game, or you lose a game, or you win
a fight or lose a fighter, whatever it is that
you do in competition. When you get home to your family,
(09:34):
they don't care about any of that. None of that matters.
When I get home to my son, he doesn't care
what my best take the day was. What he wants
to know is, Hey, when are we going to play baseball?
Speaker 3 (09:44):
Hey?
Speaker 2 (09:45):
Can I get this monster truck? Like he doesn't care
about any of that stuff, So I yeah, maybe there
is a little something to that. Although what Scotty Scheffler
is doing at his level from a radio standpoint, I'm
nowhere close. And I do wonder what is the game
app between him and the next best player, because we've
talked about that in the NFL, where Hey, if Aaron
Donald is the best interior defensive lineman, what's the gap
(10:09):
between him and the next best? And as of right now,
who's even close to Scotti Scheffler.
Speaker 3 (10:16):
It's it's tough to figure out who exactly that person
would be because you think it back to Tiger and
I always wonder, hey, what would Phil Mickelson's career had
been like had Tiger not been around? You know, we're
probably talking about it a little bit different. You know,
maybe he still lives for the live tour, but it
leaves for the live tour. Maybe he doesn't. But there's
there's a lot of those guys that you say, man,
I wonder what you know, their career would have been
(10:38):
had they not, you know, had that Tiger Woods that
was in the way. A guy who is an anomaly
and just that much better than everyone else. I'm not
sure if you throw in like Xander Shoftley, I'm not
sure who you would, you know, throw in there, because
he's just he's been so dominant. Now I do want
to go back to Rory, and I've got a conspiracy
(10:58):
theory on this. Oh right, So I don't know if
we've got any music or if it's possible to maybe
bring back some Robert Stack.
Speaker 2 (11:08):
He's here straight off the course of Royal Troon.
Speaker 3 (11:13):
I mean, we heard the clip from a few moments
ago where it it felt over the top from NBC
and for anyone who watched in particular on Saturday, because
Rory shot one of his better rounds. I believe it
was Saturday at least, and it wasn't even the best
round of the day, but everyone was acting like it was.
I think Russell Henley actually shot the lowest round, but
they're hyping him up. He's gonna make it roll. Oh
(11:36):
my god, I mean this whole thing, it was just
so over the top, and I was thinking to myself,
wasn't it earlier in the week we saw another note
about Rory McRoy turning down eight hundred and fifty million
to go to live to her? Was it earlier this
past week or maybe two weeks ago?
Speaker 2 (11:51):
Uh? I think so? And it was. It was eight
hundred and fifty million.
Speaker 3 (11:57):
Eight hundred and fifty million.
Speaker 2 (11:59):
Jesus.
Speaker 3 (11:59):
And it feels like every single time that there's an
issue for Rory, right, we had that, we had the
whole debacle of the non conforming driver, which came out
Scotti Scheffler acknowledged it and said, hey, they took my
driver too. In fact, if we're going to do this,
why don't we do it to everyone? You know, why
(12:20):
are we only doing this for a third of the
players that are in the tournament. Why doesn't everyone have
their clubs? You know? Looked at our drivers, looked at
and Royer was upset because it happened to get out
and it made him look look kind of bad, right,
because he had won it. He finally got the last
major he was looking for, and now people are saying,
(12:40):
all right, well, because he was using a non performing driver, Well,
then we didn't see him for a couple of weeks,
so you had that whole issue. Then we stopped seeing
him more and more talking to the media and saying, hey,
we're not obligated too. I was doing this on my
own account, but he didn't like how that got out
about the non conforming driver. He didn't feel like people
had his back after years of defending the PGA Tour,
(13:02):
after years of not going to the Live Tour, and
this was, in my opinion, really the next big tournament
moment they've kind of had since all of that, all
that fallout, and it's just it's not surprising to me
that you hear about him going, oh, he turned it down.
He's been turning down live tour offers forever, so either
(13:23):
he's putting it out there because he wants to keep
reminding people, Hey, I've been one of the guys who
stayed loyal. I've been one of the guys who's been
upholding the PGA Tour while the live tours try to
come in and pillage us, and I think a lot
of the broadcast and media partners have been asked to
talk as favorably as possible about him. It was a
(13:45):
natural storyline for the British Open, given that was in
Northern Ireland at Royal Point Rush. But I do think
that there is a concentrated effort by all parties involved
in the PGA Tour of trying to make Rory happen
because of how everything has gone over the past couple
of years, and even though he's had his moments, he
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hasn't been quite as successful as I think he probably
would like to be, his team would like him to be,
and maybe a lot of people out there thought he
would be.
Speaker 2 (14:14):
I buy it. By the way, apologies I called it
Royal Troon on accident. My apologies didn't mean to confuse
that with Port Rush, but yeah, it makes sense because
he has really been the most vocal about supporting the
PGA Tour as opposed to live golf, like if you
think about it, more so than Tiger, more so than anybody,
and so there may be U there MAKEE good to him.
(14:36):
In response to this, with with these reports continuing to
come out, of at the live tour could be that
I buy it, that makes sense. He did disappear for
a little bit, and he didn't seem all that pleased
about you know, the testing of the clubs and and
all that that went on, and Scottie Scheffler was just like, hey,
I mean, is what it is, but that that was
(14:57):
a fantastic performance for Scotty Seffer And do you think
he's like Joker where he lets his horses play with
his trophies when they get home and just kind of
says that I don't need this, this is just a
toy at this point.
Speaker 3 (15:11):
I don't know. I hope he's really boring. I actually
love the fact that he just seems like a really
good normal guy. You know, he wins it. He looks
immediately for his wife and son. You know, he's standing
with them, hugging with them. You know, his dad comes
up and he's like, I have no words. I mean,
he's he's on such a run right now the past
couple of years that I imagine now as a father
(15:33):
watching a child do something like this, the pinnacle of
that sport. And he's talked about how hard he's worked
to get here and at being here, especially with the
early struggles and some of the changes that he made.
But you look at it and you just go, yeah,
I'm speechless too. I mean even after you won. The
broadcasters were speechless he said it. They're like, what do
(15:54):
you say? I mean, what do you say at this
point when it feels like it's an inevitable every single
time he steps up on a big stage, if he's
not winning it, he's right there in the mix, and
you better hope he doesn't have that lead going into Sunday.
Speaker 2 (16:07):
Was Bryson de Shambo? Did I see this correctly? He
was tied for one hundred and forty fourth at one
point and finished tenth. I think he was like tied
for tenth.
Speaker 3 (16:15):
At one point. They came all the way back.
Speaker 2 (16:19):
That's like under the radar, like really impressive.
Speaker 3 (16:22):
Was What was impressive was and this is one of
the things that I've appreciated about his like transition from
being one of more hated players in golf to one
of the most likable. Now the putt he hit, I
think he ended up finishing out like ten under or something.
The putt he hit though on eighteen on the final day,
he gave like the biggest fiss pump and like Brohuk
to a Scatty and he just he embraces it like
(16:44):
he's one of those guys who like fully embraces where
it's at. I think that's the only knock that you're
gonna hear on Scotti Scheffler in the running's on right
now is he's not playing Bryson d. Chambeau every week.
You know, he's not playing you know, Tyrrell Hadden or
whoever else do you want to say that's on the
live tour that you could say it would be a
you know, a quality golfer because we only see him
(17:04):
the Majors. And even though Scotty's dominating when he plays
in the Majors, he's not playing those guys on a
weekly basis. So that is the other caveat to like
looking at Scotty Scheffer's run and comparing it to Tiger.
It's a little bit too like the Lebron Jordan debate,
where people kind of forget just how dominant good Jordan
was in an era where different brand of basketball, so
(17:27):
many stars that he went through in the East too,
just to be able to get to a championship as
compared to how bad the East was during Lebron's career,
and even though he made it to all these NBA finals,
you're like, Okay, that's that was a much easier path
than what Jordan had to deal with. Kind of similar
to with Scheffler, it hasn't been the most difficult path path.
And maybe why Jack Nicholas sel he said after the
(17:48):
Memorial Tournament this year, you know, just kind of talking
about some of the guys who are in competition that
he had a feeling they were going to fold in
the end when they were going up against Scotty Scheffler.
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Speaker 2 (18:15):
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Speaker 3 (18:33):
Yeah, you blubber lit lame and me.
Speaker 2 (18:35):
Well, you know what it's called over promise.
Speaker 7 (18:36):
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Speaker 2 (19:14):
Oh yeah, I gotta tell you man with LeVar not here.
This land's a little different and I don't know what
it is.
Speaker 3 (19:28):
Yeah, it feels like we just walked into a room.
We probably shouldn't be in.
Speaker 2 (19:33):
Was that the the JaMarcus Russell draft party you and
your family walked into?
Speaker 3 (19:37):
Was that the I mean that was uh and like
fat Joe or something was all right during his heyday.
Speaker 2 (19:48):
Good seeing everybody.
Speaker 3 (19:48):
We're out of here, Taris Squad. I just love the
fact that my now eighty eight year old grandmother I'd
walked through that thing. I mean, I don't know if
she'd ever been a club in her life, at least
not like and we walked right through the front door
and right out the back. All right, Grandma, have to
get out of here.
Speaker 2 (20:08):
It is two pros and a cup of Joe. Here
on Fox Sports Radio, Brady Quinn, Jonas Knox with you. You
can listen to the show as always on the iHeartRadio app.
You can find us on hundreds of affiliates all across
the country. And we've got the very latest on the
Gift that keeps giving in the National Football League now
(20:28):
the NFLPA. We said, you know, maybe there'll be some
wholesale changes here, you know, because it does appear like
this collusion stuff that came out and Lloyd Howe and
the conflict of interest and everything that came along with it,
and then Lloyd Howel decided, you know what, We're just
gonna go ahead and step down. I'm gonna step down here.
You know, you're thinking, maybe he just doesn't want to
(20:49):
be a distraction anymore, maybe just you know, once the
focus to be back on the players, et cetera, et cetera.
Then it turns out that an outside investigator hired by
the union found that Lloyd Howell charged the union for
strip club visits during his time with the NFLPA, most
(21:10):
notably these two. He was picked up at the airport
by a car service in Fort Lauderdale back in twenty
twenty three, and he went straight to a place called
Tutsi's Cabaret for eight hours. Oh yeah, I'm not listening.
Speaker 3 (21:25):
People know Tutsies.
Speaker 2 (21:28):
I have not. I have not been to Tutsi's Caabaret.
But I'm assuming if you go there for eight hours,
you had a good time.
Speaker 3 (21:38):
Having a nice meal, a good time. I'm not sure
that's a prerequisite, by the way, for being the executive
director of the NFLPA. You know, just because you representing
the players doesn't mean you need to be a player.
Speaker 2 (21:52):
I mean, look, one time that was a one time thing.
You know, he just he had just gotten off a plane.
Maybe they're was, you know, a hot flight attendant, and
he was like, you know what, enough's enough. I got
to go take advantage of this mood that I'm in.
So I'm going to go to Toutsi's for a couple
hours listen or a few or eight whatever you want
to call it. That's fine. Just one time is enough.
(22:14):
Then it turns out that back in February, February twenty first,
to be exact, not long after they had that conversation
in court about collusion, you know, when they should have
been filing an appeal at that time. They had a
window of time to appeal the decision in court, but
they were busy because on February twenty first, during the
(22:37):
Player's summit in Atlanta, Lloyd Hal accompanied employees to the
Magic City Strip Club for an outing that incurred a
little over twenty four hundred dollars in charges, including cash
withdrawals ranging from two hundred dollars to five hundred and
twenty five dollars from a club atm Sources and documents
(22:58):
show they used quote two VIP rooms. According to the
expense report, the purpose of the Strip Club outing was
quote player engagement event to support and grow our union.
Something was growing. I don't know if it was the union,
but I could assure you members of the union grew
(23:21):
at Magic City that night. I can assure you of that.
Speaker 3 (23:24):
Well. I think there were some Lloyd Halli fans who
probably got a little excited that night. They probably didn't
want to blow all their excitement and want a particular
night or spot. But you know, look, we make light
of this. Oh, this is one of the examples of
why again I keep going back to it, and people
(23:46):
will probably get upset when I say this. The NFLPA
is the worst run union. And I'm saying this as
someone who I don't like admitting that. I don't like
saying that there's some good benefits that the NFL players
have post career or even throughout their career compared to
other professional sports leagues. But these are the types of
(24:06):
things that happen behind the scenes. That is just abuse.
I mean, think about how many hard working guys who
never tap into having to use the some of the
different resources that the NFLPA provides, and so they're paying
their fair share. And meanwhile, this is where a portion
of those funds are going to It's ridiculous. It's absolutely ridiculous.
(24:32):
It's probably one of the reasons too, why JC Tretter
decided to resign as well, even though he's saying it's
not due to all the other stuff people are saying
out there. He's making his own decision on this. That's fine.
You know, he's been in the room. He knows exactly
what happened. But he was too attached to Lloyd Howell
and getting him to become the executive director and then
(24:53):
coming back as the chief strategy officer. So maybe they
were working in cahoots. Mind you used to be a
strip club in Columbus, Ohio. Kudes not using in that
way right now, no kidding, But maybe Lloyd Howe, yeah,
apparently had a great lunch. So I don't know. That's
just what the meat wagon tells me. Lloyd Howe and J. C.
(25:15):
Treader were working in coots on these different player and
engagements at strip clubs. I don't know. Maybe it was
their idea, maybe it wasn't. At this point, I think
we can just widely speculate, But I would think that
someone who graduated from Penn and as an NBA from
Harvard and Lloyd Howe would realize this is not going
to look good if I'm a part of this. But
(25:38):
apparently maybe they're not teaching that Harvard. Maybe they are,
I don't know, I don't know, maybe that's part of
Harvard business core. Nowise I mean to talk about player engagement,
someone engaging all the playoffs.
Speaker 2 (25:48):
To see and also, by the way, Lloyd Howe had
some of this stuff in his past, specifically strip clubs
in his past where a previous employer there were issues
about stuff that he was trying to write off or
expense rather to the company back in like twenty fifteen.
So it wasn't like this was a well, look, you
know he one night, bad judgment. No, there were multiple times,
(26:12):
one one back in February, the other in twenty twenty
three that we know about or that's come out. And
then you had another incident and there was you know,
sexual discrimination accusations against Lloyd Howell and all this stuff.
So you just see all this stuff breakdown and then
you've got you know, Jonathan Jones talks of CBS talks
with JC Tredder and the way that landed with me
(26:34):
because there was a lot. It felt like JC Tredder
wanted to get and I think he said as much,
wanted to get his side of the story out first
because I think there's probably something coming out on him soon.
That's what it felt like to me, And he got
really aggressive with it and just said, oh don't. I
just want to be with my family. I have no
interest in any more involvement in the NFLPA. I'm done.
(26:57):
I just want to go spend time with my family.
That to me feels like something else is going to
come out, and it's probably going to come out on J. C. Trader.
That's what it landed like to me.
Speaker 3 (27:07):
Maybe not specifically about him, but something's going to come
out that's going to involve him. And here's the thing is,
I think most people who sign up to be a
part of the union have to realize that you're going
to be taking bullets for the union, the players, a
lot of things that are going on. He talked about
that too in his piece with Jonathan Jones, or at
least what he had reportedly said to Jonathan Jones. And
(27:28):
that's what you sign up for. That's what that job is.
If you don't like it, don't sign up for it
in the first place, but it feels like he was
angling to eventually maybe take over as executive director, and
that was how this whole thing was orchestrated and set up.
So I look at it and just say, it's once
again an example of an NFLPA that struggles to find
(27:50):
the best to take over at that executive director job.
And you know, moving forward, who do they go get
to replace them? There's gonna be a vote soon, at
least reportedly, that's what we're hearing. Will it be Don Davis?
I mean, and look, I'm sure fans don't care on
the outside. I mean, this doesn't matter to the product
they're gonna see on Sundays. It's not gonna change anything
(28:12):
in that regard. But this is more of the business
behind the scenes where the owners are once again getting
a leg up because if they're looking across the negotiating
table at the NFLPA right now, it looks weak and
it looks like they're gonna be able to take advantage
of whatever comes next. So I don't know where the
NFLPA goes from here and who they're looking at to
(28:34):
try to bring in as the full time executive director
or if whoever they vote as the interim executive director
gets an opportunity to make it their full time gig.
But this should be a wake up call. I said
it last week. This is damning. It should be a
wake up call, and there should be a lot of
frustrated and angry union members if we're being honest with ourselves.
Speaker 2 (28:57):
Yeah, because now you're looking at this going so these
are the guys that are supposed to be getting our
messaging across. These are the guys that we trust with.
You know, we're putting our lives on the line. We'd like,
you know, something better for us and our future moving forward,
and you know, instead we got these guys going to
tootsies after a flight and like, it's just I mean,
(29:19):
and here's what here's what I would say. I do
think it's I do people listening. It may not affect, say,
your fantasy football team on a Sunday specifically, but I
think it affects how the league looks because the extra games,
everything that comes along with it that you know owners
have been pushing for that. You know, players have said, well,
(29:40):
we need this and we want that. And I wasn't
aware of the lack of the players of unions, their
lack of being able to get a deal done until
working with you and hearing former players who have been
through it talk about, look, man, we need this, we
need that. We need that. We don't need a larger
windows we can smoke weed, we don't need less padded practices.
(30:03):
We need this, we need long term healthcare. Like we
these are the things that we need, and they never
get done. And then when you see stuff like this
come out, you go, well, christ Man, like, how are
they supposed to win any negotiation with the owners or
get anything done when this is what's happening behind the scenes.
Speaker 3 (30:20):
I mean, maybe have the owners at the strip club
with them. Great call, Maybe that would have helped negotiations.
Speaker 2 (30:25):
I make great call.
Speaker 3 (30:26):
I mean, by the way, I'm just saying, I think
there's a few out there that have been well documented
that would not They wouldn't say no.
Speaker 2 (30:33):
Yeah. But the thing is, robber Craft just gets straight
to the point like this.
Speaker 3 (30:37):
I didn't not to name names for record, I did
not name names.
Speaker 2 (30:39):
Well, I just did. That's on you, I just did.
Robber Craft's like laptant. Seriously, kiss my ass. I'm going
right over there and I'll see you guys in fifteen minutes,
and I'm gonna be relaxed afterwards, laugh Dand I don't leave.
Speaker 3 (30:54):
I don't think he'd be disappointed if he's going to
Tutsi's so.
Speaker 2 (30:57):
By the way, this is important, important stuff here on
this show because you count on this show to get
this stuff done. Uh, we have got information, Lead to Lap.
Oh yeah, our executive producer.
Speaker 3 (31:13):
Can this be Lee's intro song from now on? Y?
Speaker 2 (31:17):
We so Lead the Lap are executive Lee.
Speaker 3 (31:25):
It's like the whitest thing you've ever done. I wish
you could see his face when he does it.
Speaker 2 (31:30):
Hey, by the way, Lee, that should be a home
game for you. Come on, pick up your game a
little bit. So Lead the Lap has done some research.
He's done copious research on So you've got both Tootsi's
Cabaret and Cahoots.
Speaker 3 (31:45):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (31:45):
What I can find for Cahoots gone but not forgotten
because there they're pages. Their pages have gone down. But
I found some information including some uh Columbus. Uh, the
City of Columbus having to pay out six exotic dancers
because they were being targeted by undercover vice. That's an
interesting story there. Yeah, if you were going there, you
(32:06):
could get half off Martiniz on Mondays. That's you know,
can't find as many deals as I can find on Tutsies,
which is still going in fact a great deal, and
I can understand why they were meeting there because you
can get a great party room package for two thousand
dollars which comes which comes with fourteen hundred dollars to
spend on food and drink.
Speaker 3 (32:22):
So just changes everything. They're actually spending those moneys in
an economic manner for their meeting. Yabil was the cheapest
place they could find for a meeting in South Florida.
Speaker 5 (32:31):
Yeah, you get a private room with like pay per
view all free pay per view events so you could
watch the games all.
Speaker 3 (32:37):
So actually I've completely turned course on this and they
were actually doing the union of favor and they found
the cheapest place to have this meeting.
Speaker 2 (32:45):
Yeah, so hold on, So that's at Tutsies. This is
that Tutsies where you get and their menus. By the way,
howat how about the fact that Lloyd Howell got off
a flight and was like, man, I don't want to
go home, go home?
Speaker 3 (32:57):
Does does Pould feel like he needed to do it
for the street crowd. It's like, yeah, I'm one of
the guys. I'm going to come out here and you
know what I'm saying, Like I'm an executive director, but
I need to meet everyone at a strip club just
to be like, I'm one of the boys.
Speaker 2 (33:09):
How about the balls on him to try and expense it,
like you know what I mean, Like.
Speaker 3 (33:14):
Though, you're like, you Pen Harvard NBA guy, and you
don't think that as you're walking in this situation, this
is gonna go wrong at some point. I mean, this
is like this will be a case study at Harvard
Business School at some point, or someone will write one
and throw Harvard's name on it and sell it or
license in that other school.
Speaker 2 (33:33):
I'll even give Lee credit, all right, Lee who loves
to bend the elbow. He loves to lick the lid
when we go on like the Super Bowl week or
we go on work trips. I've had conversations about Lee
about like, listen, you know that you can expense certain
things whatnot we get a perdem and Lee has told
me specifically, yeah, I'm not going to expense my alcohol,
(33:53):
for first of all, the company would go broke. Secondly,
it's just kind of a bad look. Lloyd how's like
Magic City player engagement.
Speaker 5 (34:02):
Okay, that's what's itemized on the receipt. You know, sometimes
they don't necessarily itemize what's on.
Speaker 2 (34:09):
There, all right, So what else about? By the way,
on Cahoots, there is a yelp, Yeah, that does have
some reviews. The first most prominent reviews are from people
locally in the Columbus area, won by the name of
Jake the other Pat in that's about right. What is
the what are you else you've seen about Cahoots there
in Columbus? Oh?
Speaker 5 (34:30):
Yeah, from like I said, it's uh, it's mostly the
news story about them suing the local police for the
undercover vice.
Speaker 3 (34:40):
I've see the reviews you're talking about, though, Jonas. This
one says, Pat says, has a great lunchtime buffet. I
didn't let the melons. What that means getting the way?
Oh okay, I know what that means. I know what
that means. And here's a Jake heare says I did wings,
(35:03):
but the thighs are better. Wow.
Speaker 2 (35:07):
I see an awkward layout.
Speaker 5 (35:09):
Girls are excited to be there, but little talent, very
orchestrated routines. Vibe is bland. Average age twenty one. Music
isn't current.
Speaker 2 (35:19):
I'm seeing another one here from the Jake character that
you mentioned. Had a great time with my friend Gus
after a golf tournament. The tacos are awesome, So I
apparently this is a thing. So Cahoots, Yeah, peace.
Speaker 3 (35:43):
Gone but never forgotten.
Speaker 5 (35:44):
That's what their Instagram page is on.
Speaker 2 (35:49):
Doesn't really do?
Speaker 3 (35:50):
Yeah, Instagram page for a defunct strip club. Maybe maybe
that's a new thing, Like maybe somebody's go around scouring
these cities and just find every strip club that's shut
down and create on Instagram account.
Speaker 2 (36:07):
By the way, this is two different worlds. So that's Columbus, Ohio.
Out here in southern California. The Cahoots that I know
is in Moore Park. It's a feed and pet store.
So two completely different Cahoots in different parts of the country.
Speaker 3 (36:22):
Well, the Californias may have felt like they look the
same when they get there, probably, I mean pressed.
Speaker 2 (36:28):
That's a very good point, Leah. Anything else you'd like
to add on either a Tootsies cabaret or Cahoots.
Speaker 5 (36:34):
Well, Tutsies, I mean, next time I go or first
time I go, I'm gonna get me some world famous
fried lobster tail looks great. Some seafood rice, maybe some
famous TUTSI slow roasted ribs. They got a great combo
meal where it comes with grilled shrimp they're famous for.
Speaker 2 (36:50):
And their dessert you get.
Speaker 5 (36:52):
Banana caramel fried cheesecake for only seven dollars.
Speaker 3 (36:56):
I Melee, do you ever contemplate? I mean, I know
it's in South Florida, so you'd assume the fish is fresh.
But do you ever contemplate when you're eating fish? You
know wherehere did you get it from?
Speaker 5 (37:10):
I do, But worst decision I ever made in my
life was getting oysters in Venice, Italy. I didn't really
think about it before I did it, and then I did.
As soon as I tasted it, I was like, why
would I have ever gotten oysters in Venezuela?
Speaker 3 (37:24):
I guess real quick, I guess the worst thing that
could happen to you at Tootsies is probably not food poisoning.
It's probably getting something.
Speaker 2 (37:32):
Else, right, I would say, Lee, do you remember You
probably don't remember this the night that you bailed and
face planted in New Orleans for the super I remember
most of well. So we went to a place in
New Orleans and they had oysters that they were like fresh, yeah,
(37:53):
I remember, okay, because you off dozed off with the
bar top and almost the plate of oysters over the bar.
Speaker 5 (38:01):
That's how good.
Speaker 2 (38:03):
And the guy sitting on the other side of the
lee goes, hey, buddy, you are right, that's just.
Speaker 3 (38:12):
A Wednesday new or.
Speaker 2 (38:16):
The bar so good? Those were delicious. Well, hey, look, uh,
the NFLPA has got problems. They're hoping to rid themselves
of those problems. And now, uh, now maybe we'll get
this whole thing figured out here.
Speaker 3 (38:29):
But that's a good thing. He resigned though, you know,
imagine imagine this coming out and then he's still the
executive director and answer to this, that's all right, Now
it's time to throw the towel.
Speaker 2 (38:40):
That's the other thing. None of this would have come
out if Pablo Tori didn't get a hold of the transcripts.
Think about like, if he hadn't done enough digging to
try and get this information, none of that stuff would
have come out, and this would have all still been
going on, and it would have been like, man, really
hope they can get a better deal for us. Meanwhile,
there whatever strip they're at this week, our next year,
(39:02):
you know.
Speaker 3 (39:02):
We need to do we need to have Lee try
to call maybe either in the next segment during the
break and just give us an idea of how much
it costs to get a conference room at one of
these hotels in South Florida versus the deal that he
just signed up for the vip room at tutsis. Honest. Yeah,
maybe they called around and they're like, dude, you're not
gonna believe this, but we actually can't find a better
(39:24):
deal than Tutsie's vip rooms special. So that's where your
meeting when you go down in Poland.
Speaker 2 (39:30):
Yeah, Lee, Lee, you think you make that happen? On it.
We'll get a price point on that moving forward.
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Speaker 2 (39:46):
I don't know if you knew this or not, but
the WNBA had an All Star game this weekend.
Speaker 3 (39:50):
I was aware of that. I was aware of that.
Speaker 2 (39:53):
I did not watch because just had no real interest.
All star games are for me, and especially all star
games involving a league that I am not crazy about.
It's just not for me.
Speaker 3 (40:07):
Not my thing.
Speaker 2 (40:09):
But of course we had a little bit of you know, controversy.
Kelsey Plum of the w n B A, uh, they
are what the T shirt said, specifically, we deserve more
money is it was something along those lines, pay us more,
pay us what you owe us got you so pay
us what you owe us and Kelsey Plum of the
(40:32):
Sparks spoke over the weekend and of course figured out
a way to maybe throw a little bit of shade
herself at one Caitlin Clark.
Speaker 4 (40:40):
That was a very powerful moment. We didn't, at least
as players, we didn't know that that was going to happen,
so I think it was kind of like a genuine surprise.
But the T shirt just united front was determined this
morning that we had a meeting for and uh, you know,
not to to Chattletale, but zero members of Team Clark
(41:03):
were very present for that.
Speaker 2 (41:06):
So that was Kelsey Plumb making it a point to
point out that Caitlin Clark.
Speaker 3 (41:12):
Was It's amazing how the WNBA players can't get out
of their own way. It's incredible. The girl who arguably,
I don't even think it's arguable, you know, you can't
argue it at this point, she has brought the ratings,
she has brought any sort of momentum this league has had.
And yet, even in an instance where you're trying to
(41:34):
look unified in your call to get compensated more, you
take a shot at the one person who's leading this
entire league into maybe eventually profitability. I never understand this.
I never understand this. It is the stupidest way of
handling business. So look, if we want to talk about
(41:57):
the past yu o us, we can talk about that.
I mean, the league was started in nineteen ninety six.
At no point hasn't ever turned a profit at no point.
I mean at times there's estimates that the league reportedly
lost to an eighty million. It's lost up to four
hundred million if you go back to twenty ten. This
is all reported. Okay, So people are going to debate
(42:18):
the facts of where the numbers come from because the
finances they're not very transparent, and in part because you know,
a lot of these teams are kind of rolled into
some of the NBA ownerships, Like you look at Matt
NIESHBA who that came along with that was the Mercury Phoenix.
And there's reports or people that discussed that that was
(42:39):
thrown into the deal at a value of zero because
the business doesn't turn a profit. Now, I'm not saying
that a business has to turn a profit in order
to be able to be a business or remain a business.
We've got all sorts of different structures for different business entities. Okay,
Amazon for example. Everyone throws out, well, Amazon didn't turn
(43:02):
a profit for eight, nine, ten years, whatever it was. Okay,
if you're using Amazon as the comparison to the WNBA,
I'm sorry, but Amazon had a revolutionary product and it's
a tech. It's a more tech than anything else. It
took a while to build up to profitability. Now it's
one of the most value companies in the world, if
(43:22):
not the most value. So you're using a unicorn to
compare to the WNBA. Now, the only thing the WNBA
really has going for it if you look at recent
years and the track record of the revenue getting closer
to profitability. I believe last year they still lost fifty million.
Mind you, still being subsidized by the NBA, who owns
(43:44):
about forty two percent of the league, and they're pumping
in anywhere between fifteen million to some suspect it could
be up to forty million a year to help offset
a lot of the operating costs. So there's the thought that, hey,
these finances aren't transparent, and they're not transparent because the
(44:05):
owners of these WNBA teams, whether they be NBA owners
or separate owners from that, they don't want them to
be publicized because then the players would have greater rights
to trying to negotiate to get paid more. I mean,
that's what this is ultimately about, is the players feel
like this league's at a better spot and they deserve
(44:25):
a greater portion of the revenue share. The NBA players
make in salaries fifty percent of the revenue the league
is able to generate. The NBA generates eleven point three
point eight billion dollars a year. NBA contracts take up
fifty percent of that. Think about that. The WNBA makes
(44:46):
reportedly four hundred five hundred million a year and their
contracts take up nine percent of that. So that's really
what this is about, is the WNBA players believe they're
underpaid in comparison to NBA players who take up a
much greater percentage of their revenue. Now, again, I'm not
an expert. I don't have all the finances. Maybe some
(45:08):
of the WNB players do, even though again it becomes
murky and hard to figure out the exact figures. The
one thing we know, though, is valuations keep skyrocketing. All
these teams that the people who paid zero dollars for
ten million four when you go back five years ago,
four years ago, they're now somehow around twitter million now.
On paper, that always looks good, but the reality is
(45:32):
it's gonna be hard to have a team that actually
stays in business if you don't eventually turn a profit
or be able to figure out a way of turning
a lot of the money you're throwing in this thing
into money that will become profit and eventually you can
invest back into the team. So that's the crux of
this issue is the players want to be paid more,
but you've got a business that's not earning any profits,
(45:56):
which makes it hard to be able to sustain unless
you've got people with deep pockets who want to keep
it investing, keep investing. Eventually, sometimes that welder goes dry.
There's not many businesses out there that can remain unprofitable
for thirty years and still be able to stay in business,
it's hard to do. Not saying the WNBA can't do it,
not saying they don't have a ton of positive momentum
(46:17):
right now. I'm not even saying that the women should
be paid more in comparison to their NBA counterparts. But
I don't know that this is the best way of
going about doing it. I don't know if you want
to ostracize your star in Kaitlin Clark as part of that,
even though I believe she put on a T shirt
at some point and what's wearing it and probably feel
similar to the rest of the crew, But why take
(46:40):
the shot? What's the purpose of that?
Speaker 2 (46:42):
That's the part. And this is why I struggle to
even entertain the idea of paying more attention to the WNBA,
because they've all I ever hear about when it comes
to the WNBA is all the Hey, what did Britney
Griner say under her breath? And was it a racial
slur while she was sitting on the bench. Hey, Caitlyn
(47:04):
Clark got fouled here. Somebody doesn't like Caitlin Clark here,
Angel Reese says this the debate online everything is drama,
Everything is controversy, Like there's no, okay, what are there
any on court highlights? Like any anything from a game?
We can look at anything, because I see those with
Caitlyn Clark. Yet everything every time somebody speaks out publicly
(47:27):
about her, it seems like they're taking a shot. And
for Kelsey Plumb and some of these other players, it's
real simple. If you want more, why would you diminish
the person that can help get you more? Why why
would you do that? I don't and I always go
back to this Charles Barkley quote where he was talking
(47:48):
with Dan LeBatard and he said, man, when Magic Johnson
signed his twenty five year, twenty five million dollar contract,
we were all high fiving in the Sixers' locker room
because we realized, oh, if he's getting that, that's great
for all of us. It was more of a this
like for everybody involved, this is a win. Like you.
(48:09):
You didn't have people bad mouthing it. They were celebrating
because they realized, Hey, this is all part of the
greater good. More eyeballs, more exposure, more money, and then
you end up getting what you're demanding on that T
shirt instead. Now we just can't help ourselves. It's all
star weekend. You know, we've got a little bit of
a platform here. Let's go ahead and take a shot
of the best player. Is she the best player in
(48:29):
the league. Probably not, but she's the most talked about
and she's the one that can get you places. It's like, look, man,
Tiger Woods. There was a time when I remember having
this discussion on the air because there were people that
are like, man, you know, Tiger's not the same player
he was. You know, there's more guys in this tournament
than just Tiger Woods. Okay, fair, but why diminish that
(48:53):
you would want him in every single tournament, to make
the cut in every single tournament because more people are
going to watch, and it's better for business, it's better revenue,
it's more exposure. If I was these WNBA players, I
would go above and beyond to welcome her in celebrate her,
get more positive feedback and more positive conversation around it,
(49:13):
as opposed to give us a T shirt all and
let's point out the fact that she was not there
for the initial meeting before she eventually put on the shirt.
I don't understand it. I don't get it at all.
It would be like trying to grow this show and
ripping you publicly. Who's going to listen to the show
if I'm sitting here bearing you publicly? Who would do that? Why?
I think it doesn't help anybody involved, and for some reason,
(49:35):
they can't help themselves in doing this.
Speaker 3 (49:37):
What's odd too is there's people, and this is mostly
born on social media, who want to attack those who
are skeptical about the league. When if you look at
the ratings, yes, it's growing in viewership, there's some momentum there,
but a lot of it's tied around Kaitlyn Clark. I mean,
you can see the differentiated numbers from viewership with her
with an average about a million versus viewership without her
(50:00):
that sometimes way less. And when you factor then in
compared to other sports, you realize there's a long road ahead.
And then when you look at the estimates of what
some of these WNBA fr franchises are worth. For example,
the Las Vegas a ass Mark Davis purchased them in
twenty twenty one, so four years ago, you know how
(50:21):
much you paid for him two million bucks. The franchise
value right now supposedly is two hundred and ninety million dollars.
So are we really supposed to believe they've increased in
value six percent in the last four years. Is that?
(50:42):
How much more? Like it's okay to be skeptical about this.
I mean, this happens in the stock market all the time,
where there's companies that against struggle to urn profits, had
bad quarters, bad years, and you're like, how the hell
are they? You know, price as high as they are,
the price per share earnings ratio is off. There's always
different ratios you're going to look at. Look at the
New York Liberty. Okay, that was a team that was
(51:02):
purchased for ten million in twenty nineteen. They've supposedly reached
four and twenty million invaluation. The Atlanta Dream I get
purchased twenty twenty one. I believe seven to ten million
someone in that ballpark reportedly now it's the lowest of
all of about one hundred and ninety million. So there's
(51:24):
some skepticism because we're not seeing the crowds at the games.
The viewership is better, but it's not dominated. It's not
you know, packed, like we're a custa sing unless usually
it's Kaitlin Clark involved. I mean again, and I already
talked about the Phoenix Mercury or the Minnesota Lynx. I mean,
those are franchises that again there were package deals with
their NBA teams, but again reportedly, there was little consideration
(51:48):
given to the valuations of both WNBA teams. I mean,
I mean, so when they keep pushing to be paid more,
the problem is I feel like there's a lot of
people out there on the outside who they look at
the entire league and say, it'll warn't being paid more
when you're there, But it's not there yet. And part
(52:08):
of the issue is you're attacking quite possibly, I don't
get it the most, the most, you know, the best player,
maybe the most polarizing player, howeveryone describe.
Speaker 2 (52:19):
I don't get it, and there keeps.
Speaker 3 (52:20):
Being everything outside of the actual game itself.
Speaker 2 (52:23):
I don't. I just I don't. It makes no sense
to me. That's why. Look, you know, you talk about
we were mentioning boxing earlier, like there's a reason why
more boxers are now starting to be open minded to
Jake Paul at like on a card fighting him, because
they realize the opportunity in the eyeballs he brings, like
(52:45):
they're realizing, oh, we kind of need this. It helps
everybody involved and for some reason. They just want to
diminish her every chance they get. I don't get it
doesn't make any sense.
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