Best of 2 Pros and a Cup of Joe

Tuesday on 2 Pros and a Cup of Joe, Jerry Jones gives all the excuses for not paying Micah Parsons, but his payday is coming no matter what. Bengals Owner, Mike Brown, speaks on holdouts from Shemar Stewart and Trey Hendrickson but reporters hold his feet to the fire. And NFL Insider, Pete Prisco falls into Brady’s trap on his weekly visit.

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Speaker 1 (00:02):
Is the best of two pros and a couple Joe
with Lamar Airings and Rady Win and Jonas Knox on.

Speaker 2 (00:09):
Radio, Brady Quinn, how are we feeling here on this Tuesday, Well.

Speaker 3 (00:17):
Boots on the ground here in Las Vegas, Nevada. I'm
here for the Big Ten media Days. So excited about
the opportunity to talk to a lot of players, coaches,
recap what we saw last year, and uh, you know,
take a gander kind of into the future. It's uh,
it's interesting looking at these college football preseason media polls
they've got as of right now, Penn State.

Speaker 4 (00:41):
Is the favorite to win it, no kidding, which.

Speaker 3 (00:44):
Would be a big year for James Franklin and Penn
State getting over the hump.

Speaker 4 (00:48):
We're gonna have to go through Ohio State. He's gonna
have to go through Oregon.

Speaker 2 (00:51):
It's the first time we talked about them on this show.

Speaker 4 (00:54):
Yeah, long overdue.

Speaker 3 (00:56):
Yeah, right behind Penn State though out of state.

Speaker 4 (01:01):
And then there's organ as well.

Speaker 3 (01:02):
So those are kind of the top three teams bidding
for that top spot at least preseason. As far as
we look at the rosters and everyone everything else that
goes and goes into those.

Speaker 2 (01:12):
Who's the most entertaining coach to chat with from the
big tap? Is it Dan Lanning?

Speaker 4 (01:16):
It's Dan Lanning.

Speaker 3 (01:17):
Yeah, I was gonna say, he's absolute treat. You could
see why players love him. You could see why the
you know, Oregon program has you know, remained at a
really high level since he's been there as head coach.
There's just so much energy, so much enthusiasm. The way
you know looks at things is you know, getting his
perspective on on college football with where it's at.

Speaker 4 (01:38):
He's a ton of fun to talk to.

Speaker 2 (01:40):
Yeah, he seems like he's a high energy all the time.
And remember that whole garbage that was that what was
it the Texas A and M job that he was rumored,
Oh he might take the Texas A and M job,
that could be his job. And then it was like, no,
he was good. He was a good stay input where
he's at. So, but Penn State's a favorite, all right,
So good good for them, And we got a little
bit of a some Penn State player here in the show.

(02:03):
All right. So with that being said, from one entertainer
to another, the good news for the Dallas Cowboys is
Michaeh Parsons, speaking of Penn State, did report to training camp, right.
He's there in a place you referred two years ago.
I didn't even.

Speaker 4 (02:18):
Understand why, you know, I'd call it.

Speaker 2 (02:19):
You never called it? No, No, you mean to tell
me you never called it Knoxnard.

Speaker 4 (02:24):
No? Never?

Speaker 2 (02:26):
Well, then maybe I misheard, but that that's what my
assumption was, that you were the guy that started that
whole trend calling it Knoxnard. But nonetheless, Michah Parsons did
show up and he's at training camp right. So there's
the good news. Here's what may not be the good news.
Jerry Jones had a mic yesterday and he was asked
about Micah Parsons and the uh, the conversations about a

(02:49):
contract and whether or not it's going to get done,
and you know, he's got some concerns.

Speaker 5 (02:55):
Just because we signed him doesn't mean we're going to
have him. He was hurt six games last year. Seriously,
we've signed I remember signing a player for the highest
paid at the position in the league and he got
knocked out two thirds of the year Dark Prescott. So
there's a lot of things you can think about, just
as the player does. When you're thinking about committing and

(03:15):
guaranteeing money. The other thing I would say is a
contractor four or five years. Okay, there's a lot of
water under the bridge. If you step out there and
do something in the first two or three you can
get hit.

Speaker 2 (03:30):
By a car.

Speaker 5 (03:32):
Siouley, and so there's a lot to look at over
a lot of years that could make a big difference.
Have you ever heard of any clubs committing to players
and then they didn't pan out after they committed to them?
We have.

Speaker 2 (03:46):
So there was Jerry Jones expressing all the concerns that
come along with signing somebody to a long term extension.
When the subject of Michael Parsons gets.

Speaker 4 (03:56):
Why does he do this?

Speaker 2 (04:00):
Strikes me. The way he breaks that down would be
like if some guy was sitting telling you about all
the things wrong with drugs and alcohol while he was
ordering another round, Like Jerry Jones is breaking down all
the cautionary tales of this is why we don't want
to do these deals. This is why we wouldn't want

(04:21):
to do these deals, all knowing he's going to have
to eventually do this deal. I just I don't know,
I really don't know. I don't know if there's some
sort of strategy. Todd Archer of ESPN says, Jerry Jones
discussed a deal with Michaeh Parsons in March. They met
at the team facility, but has had no conversation with
David Mulagata, the agent for Michaeh Parsons. There's been no

(04:44):
discussions with that, and so yesterday he shows up, the
floor was his and he just let it rain on
the why you wouldn't sign Michael Parson angle to this
whole story, even though knowing he's probably gonna get the
deal done.

Speaker 3 (04:59):
Didn't he not know Mike at Parsons agent. Wasn't that
a storyline that a little bit of me in the
in the spring?

Speaker 2 (05:04):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, there was that too.

Speaker 3 (05:06):
So I don't know how this plays well for Jerry
Jones and Dallas. I mean, heading into training camp, it's
always good to take a shot at your two best players,
right your quarterback and your you know, generational edge rusher.
That always makes sense to do that. It's a bold strategy.
I'm not sure if it's motivation. I'm not sure if
it's a negotiation tactic. Maybe Jerry doesn't even know at

(05:29):
this age, you know, Jerry's older than. Jerry's older than
I think a lot of people realize.

Speaker 2 (05:35):
Yeah, what is he Can this be a senior moment
for him?

Speaker 4 (05:39):
Let me see?

Speaker 2 (05:39):
Well, I mean, look, the great thing about people that
are older is that they just get to a point.
He's eighty two, Jesus. The great thing about people when
they get older is that they just they start not
to really care. They're just gonna let it fly and
be as honest as possible. And that could be everything
from you know, a comment, vulgarity, you know, the way

(06:03):
they act, physical things. You know, they'll just let it
fly whenever it needs to happen. And Jerry Jones just
strikes me as a guy who's sitting there going him.
Man is what it is. And we're not going to
bend over backwards. We're not gonna you know, we'll tell
you all the things that will go wrong with these contracts.
But it seems like every single year we find ourselves

(06:26):
in this conversation where he's got one of his own
guys that needs a deal, is looking for a deal.
There's pushback all the way, and it's always the last
guy to get the deal done. Always, whether it's Dak Prescott,
CD Lamb, like all of these conversations that happened, even
Ezekiel ellittt even though they paid him early. The discussion

(06:48):
about Zeke took over training camp. Remember he left, he
went to Cabo, all that stuff that we've talked about before.
I don't know what motivates him to do this other
than he just likes the attention. And I think he
just realizes I'll say whatever I want to say and
Stephen Jones is going to have to deal with with
the agent and go from there. It's very strange. It's

(07:10):
a strange approach.

Speaker 4 (07:12):
It's it's a bold strategy.

Speaker 3 (07:13):
We've talked about this before in regards to why he
continues to wait. Maybe he was burned or fell burned
by the Zeke Elliott deal. You know, Zeke never really
became the player after he was signed to that deal
that he was beforehand. So he's continually drug his feet
on Dak Prescott' Ceedee Lamb. Now, Micah Parsons, you could

(07:34):
probably throw some other players in that category too, and
it only gets more expensive now. You and LeVar floated
out the idea that maybe Jerry Jones doesn't mind bragging
that he's paying.

Speaker 4 (07:46):
These guys as at the top of their position.

Speaker 2 (07:48):
It's it's the fashionably late tax I call it, you know,
the the FLT. Jerry Jones likes that, you know, as
long as he's willing to He's willing to pay a
little bit more, as long as he is the store
where you line up the NFL. Do you know how
much it burned his ass that the Browns took Shahor
Sanders and got all that coverage, or that Aaron Rodgers
was getting all the love the entire offseason. This is

(08:11):
revenge time for Jerry Jones, and he's out to get
it this year.

Speaker 3 (08:14):
It's happening in a training gap. I don't I don't
tend to see it the way you guys do. I
think at this point in time, he owns the team,
he controls and makes all the decisions. Everyone else has
to follow suit, and it's unfortunate. It's unfortunate for the players,
the organization, everyone involved, because.

Speaker 4 (08:32):
He probably shouldn't be He probably shouldn't be making these decisions.

Speaker 3 (08:35):
He probably shouldn't be having as many conversations publicly as
he is. But it's all his so he gets to
But it sounds like we're getting to the point where
someone else needs to take take the reins, take control
of this.

Speaker 2 (08:49):
Like revoke his power.

Speaker 4 (08:51):
Maybe maybe we should take away his driving privileges. That's
all I say.

Speaker 3 (08:55):
There comes to points one and say hey, Grandma, I'm
I'm gonna go ahead and drive. Is that okay? I
Can I take you to the grocery store? Can I
Can I handle this? We're getting to that situation. I
don't mean to say that making light of the situation either.
I feel like we're.

Speaker 2 (09:13):
There by the way, I wonder if some of this
you mentioned getting burned by deals. I mean the DeMarcus
Lawrence deal was another one that didn't really pan out.
They paid him and at the time I think he
was near the top of the market as far as
contracts given out, and afterwards it just never really worked out.

(09:33):
So maybe there is just some cost for concern. But
I don't I don't know how you have any pushback
on what Micah Parsons has done, arguably one of the
best at his position. I don't know how you have
pushback or reservations about wanting to get this deal done
now like it just seems. But is that is that
normal operating procedures to have a conversation about the contract

(09:58):
with the player and have no conversation or communication with
the agent whatsoever at this point.

Speaker 4 (10:04):
No, that's pretty abnormal.

Speaker 3 (10:05):
I mean, if anything, the agent and the organization will
be talking more than the player and the organization about
that contract.

Speaker 4 (10:11):
So this is extremely odd.

Speaker 3 (10:15):
But it's Jerry Jones and it's Dallas, so I guess
it falls in that category. Here's here's what's interesting to
me about this, though, is you look at the other
edge rusher who got paid before TJ.

Speaker 4 (10:28):
Watt. Now's Miles Garrett. You want to be traded, you
want to play for a winner, I want.

Speaker 3 (10:31):
To play for a super Bowl, his legacy, all these things,
And it was like, all right, I guess we're looking
at Miles Garrett's his trade value, and all of a
sudden he's presented with a deal that makes him satisfying.

Speaker 4 (10:44):
Now he's good.

Speaker 3 (10:45):
Now he's ready to come back and be a Cleveland Brown.
So this whole thing can be made good. And it
just comes down to Jerry Jones, that Dallas Cowboys presenting
a contract that Micah Parsons, you know, and his representation
thinks is good enough, which nothing out of being the
highest paid non quarterback is going to be good enough
for him.

Speaker 2 (11:05):
I mean at least he showed up. I mean, at
least he's there, so he hasn't you know, he hasn't
left yet. So Michael Parsons is in the building.

Speaker 4 (11:12):
Well, again, he's not.

Speaker 3 (11:12):
Looking for a contract, right, It's it's just going to
come and smack him. Not most would have thought would
have smacked him by now or found him by now, right,
because he's not looking for one. But he's not looking
for it. Yeah, it's coming.

Speaker 2 (11:25):
That That is uh yeah, and again that's you know,
we have good sourcing on that. I mean that was
said by a person with knowledge on this show for
sure when it comes to that.

Speaker 5 (11:33):
Now.

Speaker 2 (11:34):
The other the other aspect of contracts that maybe have
not gone the way that a lot of people thought
they would have gone for the Dallas Cowboys is Trayvon Diggs,
who's been kind of struggling to come back since dealing
with this knee injury that he suffered a couple of
years ago, reaggravated it, had surgery, and he had, you know,
some stuff in his contract. He had to show up

(11:56):
for a certain percentage of the time to rehab at
the facility and be there, and instead he chose to
work out in Florida, and there's been some back and forth.
Jerry Jones was critical about it. They didn't like the
way he handled his rehab process. He pointed out earlier
this offseason about how he should have handled it differently,

(12:16):
and I think he's learned his lesson. And then we
get to this offseason continuing on, and still he wasn't
showing up and he was choosing to rehab the injury
off site in Florida as opposed to in Dallas. So
because of that, the Cowboys didn't pay him that part
of his contract, which reportedly they've not done with a
player before, and so Jerry Jones spoke about that situation

(12:38):
as well too yesterday.

Speaker 4 (12:40):
No, he didn't earn it, he didn't come.

Speaker 5 (12:42):
That's in his contract that he didn't get that unless
he's going to be here. Those are contractual things, as
Steven said, and it would be very detrimental to the
team not to abide by the agreement. We expect a
player paid like Trevor On to be all the time.
We expect him to be leading, expecting to be leading,

(13:06):
but that's not new that goes all the way back.
Dion was not necessarily given to come to the weight room,
and I explained to him that it meant a lot
for him to be in there. Needs to have some
show with It's important to have the right body language
in every respect. When you are one of those rare,

(13:28):
financially paid and gifted players, you've got to have some
leadership about you.

Speaker 2 (13:34):
So there's Jerry Jones on Michael Parsons, Trayvon Diggs, and
it just makes me wonder, what the hell were those
negotiations like with Mike McCarthy that went sideways. I would
love to know how those discussions went and at what
point did Mike McCarthy just go, you know what, f
this man, this is just a waste of my time.
I'll go take a year off and then come back
in twenty twenty six.

Speaker 3 (13:54):
Yeah, this is one though, where I think you actually
can make a case for Jerry Jones and what's what's
within the contract in regards to how you go about rehabbing.
Coming back from an injury plays a role in all
of it. And if the language is in the contract,
you agree to that as a player, you got to
come back and rehab with the team, and you could
see how some of those teams wi be frustrated by it.

(14:14):
I mean, it's not like the Dallas Cowboys are cutting
corners with their facilities, with what they provide their players.
So you know, you can train and rehab somewhere else.
That may you may feel that's in your best interest,
and maybe it is for some guys, but then you
need to make sure you put in your contract some
sort of clause that doesn't allow you.

Speaker 4 (14:34):
To have de escalators in it. If that's the case,
this was thought about.

Speaker 3 (14:39):
Jerry Jones has invested into it, and it's one where
if Trayvon Diggs isn't going to be around, they want
to view him as.

Speaker 4 (14:44):
One of the leaders in the team. There's some legitimacy
to that.

Speaker 3 (14:47):
You know, we've talked about before how the Green Bay
Packers used to put in their contracts workout bonuses because
they wanted to force players to be in Green Bay
in the offseason to work out, because if they didn't,
guys wouldn't be there. Guys weren't showing up in March
back in the old days when that's when the offseason
workout started. So they had to structure it in for

(15:07):
two hundred fifty thousand, five hundred thousand dollars bonuses, and
you'd still see guys who wouldn't show up.

Speaker 4 (15:12):
Sometimes it's crazy, but that's how was.

Speaker 3 (15:17):
So As that became more popular, more teams started to
invest who who had the deep pockets in facilities so
people wouldn't have to go to train elsewhere, so they
could look around and say, this is a plenty good
enough for me, and I've got all the resources I need.

Speaker 4 (15:31):
Why do I need to go anywhere else?

Speaker 2 (15:34):
I mean, it makes me wonder why Jerry Jones can
sit there in judgment. How does he know what sort
of workout equipment and what sort of rehab you know,
Trayvond was doing on the SS two s with his brother, Like,
how does he know? Like, I mean, that seemed like
a spacious boat. That seemed like there was a lot
going on there, and maybe he was on there getting

(15:55):
his work in while his brother was out doing whatever
he was doing with some of that pink snop sand
that he had on the boat. I mean, Jerry should
really be a little more open minded and not doc
a guy five hundred thousand dollars just because he wants
to partake and get its working. While he's on the water.
It's beautiful out there, and it seemed like it was
beautiful on that boat. So another eventful turn for the

(16:17):
Diggs brothers this offseason. And there's the latest from Cowboys
training camp over knox Nard. So good job, Jerry, way
to keep everybody entertained. This will not be the last
we hear from Jerry Jones, and once he is gone,
we're all gonna miss him. We don't realize it now.

Speaker 4 (16:35):
Glory Hill, Yeah we do. I'll just say, what does
he really want?

Speaker 5 (16:38):
I won't make some glory Hill?

Speaker 3 (16:40):
Yeah, I mean, that's what it comes down. So that's
what he's sold out.

Speaker 2 (16:44):
Yeah.

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Speaker 2 (18:01):
We started last hour talking about Jerry Jones doing what
Jerry Jones does. He gets to Oxnard for training camp
and lets it fly talking about deals and the cautionary
tales of handing out deals. And then you go from
that over to the AFC, where you've got the Cincinnati Bengals,

(18:23):
who were speaking yesterday at the team's annual luncheon, and
Bengals team president Mike Brown decided to discuss the contract
situation with Shamar Stewart, their first round pick who was
still not signed, and tried to explain the reasoning behind

(18:45):
that decision yesterday.

Speaker 8 (18:47):
This one is surprising. I hesitate to get into the detail,
but basically it turns on whether out years are guaranteed
if he gets involved in conduct detrimental to football. Well,

(19:08):
what does that mean? Detrimental to football in recent years
has been violence to women. That's about the one that
comes to my mind. There are others, probably, but that's
the one that I think. If we get a player
who gets involved in something like that or does something

(19:29):
that is just unacceptable, guess what, I don't want to
pay him. I really don't. If he's sitting in jail,
I don't think I ought to be paying him. And
so we say that if he got involved in conduct detrimental,
we'd have the right to terminate the guaranteed part for
the back years. His agent says, oh, no, you can

(19:52):
terminate the guaranteed part only for the remaining part of
the year in which the event occurs. Something like this
has never occurred with us. I don't think it's going
to occur. So we're sitting here arguing over something that
I think is pretty remote. And I asked myself sometimes

(20:15):
why the hell we're doing it? But we are, and
he's doing it too, and at some point we got
to put this stuff behind and just get him up
here and get him so he can be a contributor.

Speaker 2 (20:29):
So there's Mike Brown of the Bengals talking about where
they stand when it comes to Shamar Stewart and whether
or not a deal is going to get done.

Speaker 3 (20:37):
Here's the hard for a part from me hearing that,
Sorry forty and slippings think about Lee. No one followed
up and just asked the question that really should be asked, Mike,
why are you guys putting a new language in Schmart
Stewart's contract. I mean, I understand you didn't like the
president that was set beforehand with the language in the contract,

(21:00):
but you have multiple players in your roster who are
playing with contracts that have different language, so you end
up holding them to that. So why are you doing
this to Shamar Stewart and no one else is doing this?
It's just you, It's just Cincinnati. Now it's thrown prerogative

(21:20):
if they want to do this.

Speaker 4 (21:21):
I think.

Speaker 3 (21:21):
Look, everyone agrees that if someone's doing something heinous, they're
gonna get in trouble for it. The league's gonna suspend
them anyway, they're not gonna be able to play. And yeah,
they shouldn't be owed that. It should avoid something guarantees,
in fact, something that's already written in these contracts. So
it's a little different from the perspective of what they're
trying to do. But I look at this and just say,

(21:43):
you've already set the press and with other players not
doing this, Like, what makes you think that you're trying
to change it now? Is going to work with Shamar
Stewart and his agent? How does that fear to them?
My bigger question though, is if they sign Trey Hendrickson,
is I had a sign where this thing really could
bleed on or is that a sign where we really
could potentially see Schmar Stewart Look at all options and

(22:07):
maybe try to go back to college football.

Speaker 2 (22:10):
Duke Tobin, who is the Bengals executive, he's basically their
general manager, and he talked and gave his thoughts yesterday
as to why the deal still hasn't been done with
Shamar Stewart.

Speaker 9 (22:24):
The negotiations. Yeah, I won't get into all the details
of it. You know, I don't blame Schamar. He's listening
to the advice that he's paying for. I don't understand
the advice. I don't agree with it. I'm not the
one paying for it. But that's where it is. If
I thought we were treating him unfairly, it would be
a different story. But we're treating him fairly with all

(22:46):
the rest of the draft picks in this year's draft.

Speaker 2 (22:49):
Zach Hiller, the agent for Shamar Stuart, heard that and
had this statement quote, Duke Tobin has had no involvement
in this negotiation. It seems to be above his pay grade.

Speaker 8 (23:01):
So it just.

Speaker 10 (23:05):
It just continues to drag on man like this. This
is why does Shamar Stewart, By the way, does he
have any track record of any arrests of any Is
there anything I don't.

Speaker 2 (23:17):
Know like that? That's why. And you asked the quote
like why why now? I look, I could kind of understand, Hey,
this guy's got a checkered past. There's some stuff there.
We want to make sure that we're going to be
safe with all this. If there's none of that, what
am I missing? Like why? It just like it just

(23:38):
feels like more nickel and dime stuff with them.

Speaker 4 (23:41):
This becomes the issue for every company.

Speaker 3 (23:43):
By the way, this isn't just like exclusive to a
sports franchise, but when they want to change the language
within their contracts with their employees and what's guaranteed to
them and what's not based on certain circumstances, and there
comes a point in time where maybe with their legal
counsel once to you know, plant their flag and say
this is the year we're gonna do it. Everyone's gonna

(24:05):
have to agree with it. And in this case, what's
I guess what's surprising about it is the need for
the position. Like of all the people, I mean, this
is the position that you need the most. You have
one guy retire, you have another guy who you haven't's
who's been extremely productive that's playing way under his market value.
In Trey Hendrickson and he's in his last year of

(24:27):
his deal, still winning on a new deal, and then
you draft Schamar Stewart's replacement and you don't want to
sign him to his contract. So when people want to say, like, oh,
you know, you're just a Bengals hater, No, no, I'm not.
I love Joe Burrow. I love watching him play the game.
This team is one of the most fun teams to watch.

(24:48):
The difficulty is you have to understand the ownerships. They're
cheap and they're not willing to invest to allow this
team to compete for a Super Bowl. We're gonna have
Pete Prisco on and I'm sure he'll just gonna defend
Duke because he's close to some of these guys and
he yucks it up with them. I'm telling you right now,
he will defend Tobin. He yucks it up with them.

Speaker 2 (25:08):
All right, So you've you've done this before, call your shot.
If you ask Pete a question about Duke Tobin, what
will his response be?

Speaker 11 (25:14):
All Right?

Speaker 2 (25:15):
If we've got we've got to get the something along
the line.

Speaker 3 (25:18):
I think I think what we do to make it
fair is we play the sound from Duke Tobin and
we let Pete react, and I'm telling you right now,
he's going to react in a mayor that defends the
Bengals in Duke Tobin. And here's the crazy thing is
because when Joe Burrow was drafted on Draft night, number
one overall, he went out on a limb. He'd said

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Joe Burrow would win multiple championships with the Bengals. Now,
I was there with a few other people who heard this.
He claims it was only one but really the only
reason why question whether or not Joe Burrow would be
able to win multiple Super Bowls with the Bengals. It's
not Joe Burrow. It's the Bengals. And it's because of
decisions like this from their ownership or their front office

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and how they handle business. And if you want to,
if you if you want to look at one of
the reasons why the Bengals have underperformed, just look at
the slow starts they've gotten off to in the first
four games of any season.

Speaker 4 (26:13):
Go back to last five years.

Speaker 3 (26:16):
Do you want to know how many winning records they've
had that the first four games at that point three
and one are bet Do you want to know how
many they've had? Zero? And if you extrapolate that even further.
Compare it to Baltimore for example, the last five years
right there at the top of the division, they've won
every single year. Look at the Steelers by comparison three

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out the last five seasons, where five hundred are better.
Oh and then if you look at like Kansas City
for example, the Bills don't worry. Just every single year
they've gotten off to a faster start and I had
a winning record after the first four games. If you
don't think that stuff plays a role or factor in
building momentum or allow these teams to be consistently in
the playoffs, you're dead wrong. And the problem is the

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Bengals don't handle business in the offseason. They're either going
to be coming in late with the rookie and then
figuring out the old Trey Hendrickson hold out, or they're
gonna have to, you know, pay Trey Henderson and will
figure it out how to make the rest work with
samar Stewart. Maybe he comes back, maybe he doesn't, whatever
the case may be. This is one of the many
issues they've botched because what was their weakest link coming

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into the offseason.

Speaker 4 (27:26):
It's their defense. Yeah, and they didn't address the most
important position on.

Speaker 2 (27:30):
Defense, and Zach Taylor this offseason has said that they're
going to get, you know, some playing time in the preseason.
He thinks that's what the issue is when it comes
to their slow starts, because it has been a problem.
That's why. Look last year when people were saying, well,
Kansas City, they didn't want to play Cincinnati. That's why
they laid an egg in the final week of the season.
Man tough balls. Cincinnati had all those opportunities early on.

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They lost games they should have won because they couldn't
stop anybody, most notably against Baltimore. I think they lost
twice to Baltimore last year. Like that's on them, Like,
don't expect somebody else to do your work late in
the season when you had work to do early and
you didn't get it done again, which has always been
the problem over the past four or five years for
the Bengals. Now the subject of Trey Hendrickson, Mike Brown

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did also talk about that and he broke down sort
of what negotiations are like with Trey Hendrickson. Here was
the Bengals team president.

Speaker 8 (28:26):
We aren't going to trade Trey. We're working to get
Trey signed as we speak here. There are guys over
in the office working to get that. I think it'll
get done. It is the way Trey can be.

Speaker 4 (28:46):
We like Trey as a person.

Speaker 8 (28:48):
He's a good guy, but when it comes to these negotiations,
and we've been through a few of them with him,
he pushes hard, gets emotional. We never have an easy
time of it. But there's one thing that is consistent.

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It always gets done, and I think this one will.
But we'll see. I've been proven wrong before, but I
am pretty confident that we'll get there at the end.

Speaker 2 (29:21):
So there was Don Rickles breaking down the contract negotiations
with Trey Hendrickson. So tell me that guy didn't look
like Don Rickles.

Speaker 4 (29:29):
He looks a little bit like Don. I'm telling you,
it looks a little bit like Don.

Speaker 2 (29:33):
When they showed Mike Brown on TV yesterday discussing the
contract situations with Cincinnati, I was like, Oh, that's the
guy who ran the movie theater on Dirty Work. Like
I know that guy that was de Niro's right hand
man in Casino. I know that guy. That's Don Rickles. Ultimately,
the fact that Mike Brown breaks down the negotiations with

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Trey Hendrickson. The vibe I got from that was yeah, yeah, yeah.
Trey says this, He says that he gets emotional, but
we always end up getting it done. If I'm Trey Hendrickson,
I'm like, dude, kiss my ass like I'm looking. I
want to get paid. And if you're not going to
pay me, trade me, like, send me to somewhere, don't
make a ridiculous asking price in return. Send me somewhere,

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and let's just move on with our lives if it's
not gonna happen here. Because if you're Trey Hendrickson, there's
no way he can show up at this point.

Speaker 4 (30:26):
Right Uh, it'd be tough too.

Speaker 3 (30:28):
I think he should be dug in and rightfully so,
he's outperformed his contract. They've known now for a couple
of years. And the worst part about this if your
Cincinnati is there are other trade partners. You know, a
team like the New England Patriots for a rumor to
be in connection with the Cincanti Bengals because they needed
an edge rusher and Trey Hendrickson seemed to be a
really good fit for them, and nothing ever came from it.

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So if you look at from the Bengals standpoint. If
you're a fan, you're probably at least botched that scenario
as you got his you know, replacement in waiting and
Stewart the first round pick. You could have got some
draft capital in exchange for him, but instead this whole
thing drug on now where I don't think you're gonna
get the best to offer for him because of how
late you are, you know, getting into the season.

Speaker 2 (31:12):
So one Pete Prisco is going to defend Duke Tobin
and the bank.

Speaker 3 (31:18):
I'm telling you, I'm telling you he's going. Here's the
weird thing about Pete. Pete's the type where he'll say
things like what's good for me is good for me,
and try to get all the money you can while
you're playing. He'll see all these things, and then he'll
immediately contradict himself when he knows a few people from
the front office of certain organizations and he listen, He's

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gonna argue with me about this. I'm already telling you.
He will argue with me about how they're changing the
language this year in the contracts and why the Bengals should.

Speaker 4 (31:50):
Be able to do that. He will argue on their behalf.
I'm telling you.

Speaker 3 (31:53):
He does this with the guys that are nice to
him that he knows other organizations.

Speaker 2 (31:58):
All right, so you've called your shot. Pete Riscoll will
cape up for the Cincinnati Bengals coming up next hour.
It did give me to thinking, though, because if the
Bengals are this cheap, everybody's got something that they're really
cheap about in their life, like really frugal about. Can
you think of on the top off the top of
your head, just something you're really cheap about, something you

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refuse to pay top dollar for because it just you're
not doing it no matter what. There's certain things you'll
splurge on, you're just not doing it with this.

Speaker 4 (32:29):
Probably airlines travel.

Speaker 3 (32:31):
I mean, you know, I've told you my stories of
the round up with Old Southwest or likes flying Spirit
or some of these like discount airlines, mostly because I'm
okay flying on a lesser airline as long.

Speaker 4 (32:43):
As it's a direct flight.

Speaker 3 (32:45):
So I would say that's like the number one thing
where like I don't I don't mind you know, sit economy,
sitting in some discount airline whatever, as long as it
gets me back to my family faster it's a direct flight, I'm.

Speaker 2 (32:56):
Down for that sports betting for me. My wife was
giving me a hard time because I was waiting to
cash a ticket. I bet on Max Holloway to beat
Dustin Pourier this weekend in the UFC event, and I
was waiting to cash the ticket and the return was
fourteen dollars. Literally, I'm standing behind guys who were being
paid out one hundred dollars bills in front of me

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because they also bet on Max Holloway, these guys from Hawaii,
and I'm watching them count the cash and I literally
give my ticket to this guy and he goes fourteen,
hands me a ten and four ones in return. Oh,
It's like, why even bother? At that point, I'm like,
I don't know. I just wanted some action I cannot find.
I cannot get to a point. It's where I'm betting

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any more than say, twenty dollars on a sporting event.
I just can't do it. I'm very frugal. That's my
Bengals moment.

Speaker 3 (33:46):
By the way, There's a lot of things that you
could actually throw in that category.

Speaker 4 (33:50):
For you.

Speaker 3 (33:50):
You're the one of more frugal, cheap people, like what
like everything else. Because my truck's a little old you
literally starve yourself and don't eat food just because it
saves you money.

Speaker 2 (34:01):
No, that's not why, but that is that also a
side perked all that. Yeah, you do, you do end
up saving a little bit. Here about the wedding, did
you like purposely have it during COVID, So yeah, that
was great. Yeah. So we had the wedding during COVID
and it was before one of the shutdowns and or
one of the lockdowns, because out out here in California

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there was like four hundred lockdowns. And listen, some people
are still lockdown, you know, depending on depending on who
you are. You'll see it from time to time, people
driving in their cars wearing you know, masks. It's it's
an interesting phenomenon out here. But things are different here
in California. And they did a lockdown a week before
our wedding. There was discussions about just canceling it because

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the venue wasn't going to be open. We had a
Mariachi van hired, they weren't going to be playing like.
There was all sorts of stuff that was happening, and
I was on the verge of having the discussion with
my wife about hey, let's just go ahead and just
reschedule this like it sucks, but you know, I want
to make or that everybody can be here. And then
I thought to myself, we're saving like at least a

(35:06):
couple grand on this thing. Brilliant, And so we just
went through with a little bit of a subpar wedding
during COVID blamed it on the pandemic, for the accommodations
not being what a lot of people expected them to be.
We were out. Baby, I think that wedding costs like
fourteen dollars itself, and put it.

Speaker 4 (35:25):
On your honeymoon, so that's always good too.

Speaker 2 (35:28):
Well, look, we had yeah, stuff plan that didn't that
didn't go through, but we're hoping to knock that out
in August, so hopefully we'll get that taken care of.
But look, Lee, do you have anything that you're the
bangles on very frugal on?

Speaker 8 (35:40):
Well?

Speaker 12 (35:40):
You know me, I'm a well I go for well drinks,
so I'm never going top shelf. So yeah, just the
Well's fine. Whenever the bartender asked you got a call
on that, Well's fine. And then just you know close,
I pretty much just kind of take what falls to me.
I've always I was always the young one of all
the cousins, so I always just got the hand me downs,

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so I'm used to that. And then shopping, like grocery shopping,
I never go name brand. I'll go with the all
store brand, store brand all the time.

Speaker 2 (36:10):
Yeah, as long as it says compared to the active
ingredients on the top. Yeah, my mom taught me that. Yeah,
you do that all the time. Yeah, just look compared
to the active ingredients. It's just as good. Yeah. Look
that's I mean bag cereal, Like, why do you need
honey nut cheerios? And you can get toasted o's and
oh yeah.

Speaker 4 (36:26):
Toasted oats are great.

Speaker 2 (36:27):
They're not Yes, they are, come on half the price.

Speaker 4 (36:31):
Are pretty good.

Speaker 2 (36:32):
Actually, yeah those are fine. Lareina. What are you cheap about?
What are you the bangles about?

Speaker 4 (36:38):
Usually gas prices.

Speaker 2 (36:39):
I will always find the cheapest place for gas.

Speaker 4 (36:41):
Prices, as you will drive around wasting more gas to
find No.

Speaker 13 (36:44):
No, but I but I but I like mentally recall
where the cheapest spots are. So like, there's one I
passed by the other day. It's three sixty nine. I
love a good cheap gas.

Speaker 2 (36:54):
Wow, three sixty nine. Yeah, I'm going there this tell
me where it's at. Yeah, where's that?

Speaker 4 (36:58):
That's crazy to hear you guys say that, or in
other parts of the.

Speaker 3 (37:01):
Country that's like, you know, premium, Oh yeah, it's it's
ridiculous out here.

Speaker 2 (37:06):
Four fifty at least anywhere, Yeah, anywhere you go. But yeah,
but like you're like, what's like you're saving what ten
to fifteen cents?

Speaker 13 (37:14):
Yeah, but then you know, the difference between cash and
credit is another ten cents on top of that. Think
about it.

Speaker 2 (37:21):
I guess it adds up. Get a gas card, you know,
get something that you'll get money back when you buy gas,
then you got to pay that back.

Speaker 4 (37:27):
And I'm just not responding. Swing back to Jonas for
the other fourteen thousand things that he's really cheap on.

Speaker 2 (37:32):
Yeah, what do you want to hear about?

Speaker 4 (37:33):
Pretty much everything?

Speaker 2 (37:34):
All right? So what else am I really really cheaing.

Speaker 4 (37:38):
Ross dress for less?

Speaker 11 (37:40):
Yeah?

Speaker 3 (37:41):
You will look to find things at already a discounted store, absolutely, yeah,
and you'll try to find it even more.

Speaker 2 (37:46):
Discount absolutely, Like some people like Nordstrom, you start at
Nordstrom rack. If you can't find it there, maybe you'll
have a conversation about going there. There's also if you
go to a Macy's down below is a place like
on the lower level it's called off It's like Macy's

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Off brand or something like that, and it's all the
stuff that they're going to be getting rid of that
they have down below. If you go to a Macy's
and the mall somewhere, so there is that if you
want to share. Yeah, like there's there's you know, just
you can find deals. But the Bengals are trying to
find deals with their draft picks and their best players
on defense, and so I think it's it's the same thing.

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And by the way, there's more. You act like you
don't have some things you're cheap about as well too, Brandon,
all right, I already named one. Yeah, like airlines. Yeah,
all right, So I would say, what else do we got?
You're not going to overpay to golf, like you're not

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You're not going to overpay.

Speaker 4 (38:53):
I don't.

Speaker 3 (38:54):
I mean, I don't know that i'd really I don't
know how to describe that. I probably wouldn't, But at
the same time, I would just not golf. I don't
know if that's a fair comparison. Golf isn't cheap in general,
like if you were one of those people who so
we're gonna say something like that, like Lee, Like Lee
would probably be more in that category than I would be. Look,

(39:17):
i'd go play Pebble or one of the really nice
ones that costs probably a thousand bucks whatever it is
to play, which it's actually way more than that, because
I believe you have to stay on property and that's
a whole thing from there. But I would, I would
pay good money to go play.

Speaker 2 (39:29):
Of course, like that, what about cars? You pay money
for cars? Top dollar for cars?

Speaker 4 (39:34):
No? Yeah, no, so you're not a car guy. No,
I don't really care what I drive.

Speaker 2 (39:38):
Yeah, I don't. That's always been the one that's blown
my mind. Like people that spend an exorbitant amount of
money on cars, I've never understood. If you've got one,
that should be enough, Like you've got one to go?

Speaker 3 (39:50):
Are you saying, like Mike Brown in the Bengals have
a bunch of beaters in the parking lot, like they're
just like a bunch of like just terrible, Like your
truck would fit in there.

Speaker 2 (40:00):
That's that's I mean, that's rude, But you're probably right.
And look, my truck just reached the three hundred and
eighty three thousand mark. Okay, so it's an O six
and I'm proud of it. And I've got one car.
That's all I need. I've been my wife has gotten
on me, LeVar has gotten on me. Everybody's gotten on me.
You need a new one, You need a new one.

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But you just drive that thing until you don't drive
it anymore. So listen, everybody's got a little bangles in him.
It just depends on you, know, how you choose to
do it. Also, I would say this about Lee. Nobody
is better other than maybe my nephew. My nephew's really
good at this at knowing daily deals where you can
get stuff for cheap. When it comes to food, like

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Lee knows, like that should be a segment we do
Lee's Daily Deal. You know every place that's got some
sort of a deal every single day of the week.

Speaker 11 (40:53):
I do.

Speaker 12 (40:53):
I do know that, But I'll say that that's kind
of where I do spend my most money is eating out.

Speaker 3 (40:59):
And yeah, I've noticed I've noticed that Lee, because even
at nicer restaurants, does not hold back. He looks for
an expensive bottle of wine. He's really trying to delve
into it. I've witnessed this by picking up a few meals.

Speaker 2 (41:13):
By the way I've gotten Remember when.

Speaker 4 (41:16):
Lee drank that bottle that someone else bought for us
by himself because no one's gonna what nobody's helping me.
That's on you guys.

Speaker 2 (41:24):
By the way I have I did receive a text
message from somebody listening to the show who claims to
know Brady Quinn very well. Uh, and they say where
you go cheap is on wine. You never drink good wine.

Speaker 4 (41:39):
But that is true.

Speaker 2 (41:41):
That's that's just what I've been told again. You know,
I don't wanna uh, I don't want to air anybody
out here who may have said that.

Speaker 3 (41:48):
But you know, well, I know some people sell wine,
so yeah, they're just more upset at home buy wine
from them. But that's what it's more about.

Speaker 4 (41:59):
Also, there was a zero appreciation.

Speaker 7 (42:01):
Is that zero?

Speaker 3 (42:02):
Zero appreciation for uh? For yesterday's kuts?

Speaker 2 (42:10):
Is that really what the backstory is?

Speaker 1 (42:13):
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Speaker 2 (42:23):
We welcome in the smooth operator himself, the one and
only Pete Prisco, senior NFL columnist or CBS Sports, CBS Sports,
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it on x at Prisco, CBS. Good morning, Pete. How
are you feeling good?

Speaker 4 (42:39):
Guys? How are you We're in today vacation?

Speaker 11 (42:43):
Yeah, okay, good.

Speaker 3 (42:46):
Probably somewhere down in Florida he might be maybe he's
passing by a Trey Hendrickson at some point.

Speaker 11 (42:50):
Yeah, so yeah, well you know what, Trey Henderson will
be in Campsit enough.

Speaker 3 (42:56):
Oh why is that, Pete? I mean, is it because
the Bengals. I mean, let's do this, Pete. Let's set
you up. We actually have some sound from Duke Tobin
in regards to this, this situation with Shamar Stewart.

Speaker 4 (43:09):
Can we talk about that one first?

Speaker 11 (43:11):
Go ahead?

Speaker 4 (43:11):
Okay, the negotiations.

Speaker 11 (43:14):
Yeah.

Speaker 9 (43:14):
I won't get into all the details of it. You know,
I don't blame Chamar. He's listening to the advice that
he's paying for. I don't understand the advice. I don't
agree with it. I'm not the one paying for it.
But that's where it is. If I thought we were
treating him unfairly. It would be a different story. But
we're treating him fairly with all the rest of the

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draft picks and miss year's draft.

Speaker 3 (43:39):
So pete, who's in the right who's in the wrong here?
Is it Shamar Stewart is agent? Or is it Duke
Tobin is the Stati.

Speaker 11 (43:44):
Bengals Shamar Stewart is agent? I mean, well, first off,
let's start about Shamar Stewart. He's he's raw as can be.

Speaker 4 (43:55):
Okay, Okay, he needs all the.

Speaker 11 (43:57):
Work in the world to learn how to play football
the right way. Okay, he's got a ton of talent.
He didn't do workouts during his leading up into the
into the draft process, individual workouts because a lot of
the teams asked him to and he.

Speaker 4 (44:10):
Didn't, and the Bengals still drafted them the first round. Surprising.

Speaker 11 (44:13):
Well, okay, well the Bengal Now that's that.

Speaker 8 (44:16):
Look.

Speaker 11 (44:16):
Would I have drafted them in the first round?

Speaker 4 (44:17):
Noh, Bengals did. But the Bengals did.

Speaker 11 (44:21):
But he needs to be learning how to play football,
and he's getting banned bytes, he's getting banned by from
his agents.

Speaker 3 (44:27):
I'm sorry, Bengal, you don't have any take from the
Bengal side of this thing, because because notoriously they're cheap.

Speaker 4 (44:33):
Right, we always talk about that, but there's no other.

Speaker 11 (44:36):
That would look down to the old Bengals. The Bengals
had a reputation being cheap, thrifty and every every.

Speaker 4 (44:41):
Fast in the there's still not about it.

Speaker 7 (44:44):
No.

Speaker 11 (44:45):
I mean they just went out and doled out tons
of money to their wide receivers, did they not?

Speaker 4 (44:49):
Did they?

Speaker 11 (44:49):
Though?

Speaker 3 (44:49):
I mean Jamar Chase got the big deal. Higgins, if
you really break it down, isn't quite as good of
a deal.

Speaker 11 (44:55):
This sounds like it's coming from a Browns guy.

Speaker 4 (45:00):
This sounds this sounds like you're doing. Here's the thing, Pete.
Let me let you in a secret. I predicted that before.

Speaker 3 (45:07):
The segment you would do exactly what you're doing right
now because you always defend the Bengals. In Duke Tobin
and we talked about a little bit about the history
of you saying Joe Burrow would win multiple Super Bowls
during in the next ten years when he got drafted.

Speaker 11 (45:21):
Said one. I said one. And by the way, if
you would think about that for a second, if I
really believe that that wasn't making an impact, I think
Stuart should be in there, and Henderson should be in there.

Speaker 3 (45:31):
So okay, so let's let's let's get back to this
Chamar Stewart. Let's get back on track. What they're doing
within the language of the contract would be setting a precedent,
which they have not done previously with any of the
first round picks. There's other players who are under contract,
we've redone their deals who don't have this language, but
they're doing with shamar Stewart. Yet you still want to
defend the Bengals for choosing Schamar Stewart to do this with.

Speaker 11 (45:54):
Look, I think a player needs to get in and
play no matter what. That's my take on it. If
he wastes this whole year or waste half the year,
he's never going to get the money he deserves to get.

Speaker 4 (46:03):
So hold on.

Speaker 3 (46:04):
So if CBS came to you and they said, hey, Pete,
we're going to change the language of your contract, and know,
by the way, if you do X, Y and Z,
you might not be owed anything. And by the way,
this has never been done in the past. No one
else has to abide by it within the organization, but
just you, you would sign up for that.

Speaker 11 (46:22):
No, but we don't know the specifics, and you don't
know the specifics of the whole deal.

Speaker 3 (46:27):
It's actually been it's actually been outlined. It's in regards
to the guarantees past. What's what's usually put in there.

Speaker 4 (46:33):
That's how far as we go ahead.

Speaker 11 (46:35):
Yeah, who's saying that? By the way, I.

Speaker 3 (46:38):
Mean, I don't know Floria's written on this for at length.
He's got other people who have reported that he's credited to.

Speaker 11 (46:43):
Floria is always going to take the Flora's always going
to take the side of the radical side of the player.

Speaker 2 (46:48):
You know that. Why is that, Pete? What's your problem, Pete?

Speaker 11 (46:53):
But I'm just saying he's only going to take this,
He's going to take that side.

Speaker 4 (46:57):
By the way it is.

Speaker 11 (46:58):
I know, I've known Mike for years. We're going to
stir up up the establishment. That's what he does.

Speaker 2 (47:04):
Well, we yeah, we do have. Maybe this is a
little peak behind the scenes here for Pete Prisco. H.
This was the draft grade that Pete gave the Bengals
for Shamar Stewart on Draft Night on CBS from Pete
Prisco the Bengals needed edge help, but Stewart is raw
and lacks football instincts. There wasn't a lot of production
to his game. The tape show is a player who

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needs to learn how to play football, but the talent
is there, so because of that, he needs to show up.

Speaker 3 (47:31):
Yeah, so so real quick though, let's just go over
this the off season. What would we would you say
is their number one thing they need to do this offseason?

Speaker 11 (47:40):
Number one thing who needs to do?

Speaker 4 (47:41):
The Bengals? What do they need to do?

Speaker 11 (47:44):
Pay the players?

Speaker 4 (47:45):
Okay, okay, but what area do they need to improve upon? Defense? Okay?
So they have Trey hendrick Center still extension.

Speaker 11 (47:53):
They week one bet Trey Hendrickson shows up and played
the week when, no matter what happened.

Speaker 4 (47:58):
So you think they're going to sign the deal.

Speaker 11 (48:01):
Well, I think I think whether he signs the deal
or not, he's gonna show up and play.

Speaker 2 (48:04):
Oh you think he's gonna come crawling back?

Speaker 11 (48:07):
They all do?

Speaker 4 (48:09):
They all do what dogs like? What are you talking about?

Speaker 11 (48:13):
All the players who doesn't play anymore? You're foolish. If
you don't play, you're leaving money on the table.

Speaker 2 (48:19):
I mean, he does. It does feel like he's pretty
dug in. And the way Mike Brown kind of broke
down Trey Hendrickson, it's always like yeah, yeah, yeah, you know,
it gets really emotional, but we usually always get it done.
And I mean Trey Hendrickson's maybe he's on his way
to go see you. He posted on Instagram. He's driving
in Florida somewhere. You know, he's got nowhere near the

(48:39):
Bengals training camp. So you're predicting right now, deal or
not Trey Hendrickson is in the lineup.

Speaker 11 (48:44):
I'm not saying he's gonna be there in training camp.
I'm saying in week one he will be lining up
a defensive ends of the Cincinnati Bengals.

Speaker 4 (48:52):
What about it? I don't know.

Speaker 3 (48:53):
What about I say it's a coin a coin flip
right now, that's just said. Trade seems kind of likely,
does not they play?

Speaker 11 (48:58):
He was on the market before and nobody made a
deal for him. What do you mean did they peddled
them around before?

Speaker 3 (49:04):
How do you know though, that Cincinnati didn't get enough
back and return on the trade.

Speaker 11 (49:10):
Well, clearly if they had gotten something in return that
they wanted to make the deal, they would have made
the deal. Brady, they didn't get on it. Look, here's
the deal. He's under contract. He's not happy with his contract.
He has two choices or three choices. Actually they get
a new deal done, which is probably gonna happen. By
the way, it sounds like the bang was move in
that direction. If it doesn't, he can either play or

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sit and leave money on the table. And when you
leave money on the table, that goes flying out the
window and you never see it again. He's not going
to leave it on the table.

Speaker 3 (49:40):
Pete, how confident do you feel about Joe Burrow winning
that Super Bowl and the first ten years of his career.

Speaker 11 (49:49):
Well, he's darn close, so he still can do it. Look,
it's still possible.

Speaker 3 (49:54):
Do you remember when you wanted to concede and you
wanted to say that when they got to the Super
Bowl that was an like that, that you were right.

Speaker 4 (50:01):
Do you remember that night where you were willing?

Speaker 11 (50:03):
No, I remember willing, I said, I said he win
one in ten. I'm not going to back away from that.

Speaker 4 (50:08):
You said you said multiple too.

Speaker 11 (50:10):
No, I said, I said could win multiple. But he
was he will win. He will win one. The problem
is he's playing in an era in that AFC where
you got Mahomes and he got Allen and he got
It's tough.

Speaker 4 (50:23):
It's tough but look, the four.

Speaker 11 (50:26):
Best quarterbacks in football are all in the AFC.

Speaker 4 (50:29):
I mean, you could probably even go deeper than that.

Speaker 3 (50:32):
But but if we look at history, look at Carson
Palmer who also played for the Bengals, that during a
time where there's a lot of good quarterbacks in.

Speaker 4 (50:38):
The NFC as well. Do you not is that not
scare you a little bit?

Speaker 3 (50:42):
If Burrow starts looking around, if they can't figure out
some of these deals on defense and roster construction around Burrow,
do you not worry that maybe he'll look at elsewhere
and say, ah, maybe I need to go somewhere else.

Speaker 11 (50:54):
No, No, he's under contract and he's going to play there.
But by the way, their defense will be better this
year just making the change of defensive coordinator. Well, I
think that now Al Golden in there will will make
that defense better. I think they're going to play more
man and man. They had a bunch of man a
man corners, a.

Speaker 4 (51:10):
Lot of pressure to what that a lot of pressure too?

Speaker 11 (51:15):
Yeah, I like, I like to change the defensive coordinator.
They'll be better on defense, they'll be better as a
football team, and they're going to push the Ravens for
the division title.

Speaker 2 (51:22):
So uh Pete Prisco with us here on Fox Sports Radio.
From one defender looking to get paid to another one
looking to get paid. Michael Parsons, what is your best
guess as to why Jerry Jones always finds himself in
this spot talking about not paying a guy, yet not
paying a guy yet kind of dismissing it as well too.
At training camp yesterday at Oxnard, what's your best guess

(51:45):
as to why this is the approach the Cowboys take
when it comes to paying their players and waiting until
after everybody else gets their deal done.

Speaker 11 (51:53):
I think part of it is Jerry loves it. He
loves he loves the spotlight of it. I mean, why
would you have done that deal a year? That makes
no sense to me. And look as far as getting
up there and putting the players in the crossairs when
you're talking about them, that's called negotiations. I mean that happens.
Players talk about the team, and the team talks about
the players. Then the deal gets done and everybody comes
in and shakes hands and they're all happy. I mean,

(52:15):
that's history. It's been that way for fifty years. It's
not going to change. But as far as Jerry waiting
I think I don't understand why he waits. He could
have got a cheaper deal last year with Parsons, and
he waits, and now the price has gone up and
now he's going to pay more. But what does it mean.
It means people are talking about the Cowboys. It means
people are talking about Jerry Jones. It means people are
talking about Michael Parsons. I think he loves it. And

(52:37):
so it's the same thing with the Deck Prescott contract.
And he did the same thing, and he waited and
he finally did it and boom there he went. Oh
look how happy they are. It's going to be no
different than Michael Parsons. That deal will get done. It'll
be happy, Parsons will be happy, and on they go.

Speaker 3 (52:53):
Pete, as we're looking at just heading into training camp
for a lot of these teams, is there an under
the radar team that you you got your eye on
this year that you're kind of saying, all right, no
one's talked about him enough, but they're going to be,
you know, a playoff team or.

Speaker 4 (53:06):
A contender.

Speaker 11 (53:09):
The Tampa count.

Speaker 3 (53:11):
Yeah, that's fine, I'll give you Tampa. And I don't
feel like people are talking about the.

Speaker 11 (53:14):
Bucks because I think I think Tampa Bay is clearly
the best team in that division. I think they're going
to push for a deep playoff run and maybe more.
I love what they've done. They got a great mix
of young and old. I mean they can, they can
rush the passer. I think getting Reddick it will help them.
I think, you know, they have some other young player,
Elijahkanty is ready to take the next step on that

(53:36):
defensive line. They love what they've done with their young players.
I mean, your guy, your Notre Dame guy, Benjamin Marson.
If he can stay on the field, I think he's
going to push for a starting job. They love them,
and so I think there's a great mix there. And
they have Baker who's playing at, you know, a really
high level to go with a running game. Now, the
one question is offensive coordinator. New offensive coordinator. But everything

(53:58):
everybody I've talked over there, they love the guy. So
I think, you know, no, he hasn't called plays, but
he's supposedly a very smart, bright guy. He'll figure it out.
I think that I think Tampa is going to push
for a lot more than people think they are.

Speaker 2 (54:10):
Pete Prisco joining us here on Fox Sports Rady. You
can get him on ex at Prisco CBS. Pete didn't
want to open up the interview with this. I wanted
to give you time to kind of catch your breath
and all that, because we know this is a difficult
time for you. Will Levis obviously elected to have season
ending shoulder surgery. You were the leader on the Will

(54:34):
Levis train a year ago, telling everybody he was the
goods h Where does this leave him moving forward in
his career now that the decision has been made, he's
going to miss this entire season and the keys to
the car have been handed over to cam Ward.

Speaker 11 (54:51):
Well, there's a couple of things there. Yeah, so I
was on the Will Lewis chain. I still think he
could play. I think Will Levis needs to go to
a team, a different team, and and learn how to
play quarterback like for Sean McVay or something like that,
like Baker Mayfield did, and or go somewhere and rejuvenate
his career like Sam Darnold did. It wasn't going to
happen to Tennessee. Last year was a disaster. It was terrible.

(55:13):
He was bad, The team was horrendous, The offensive line
was awful. He took a beating. He made some really
bad decisions. He panics in key moments. He needs to reset.
So if your shoulder was a problem and you could
play through it, but you're not going to get a
real shake to win the job, why not get it

(55:34):
cleaned up? Why not? And you know, look in this world,
what's good for me is good for me. What's good
for him is to clean up the shoulder, sit out
the entire season, and then figure it out. He clearly
looked at the landscape and no matter what he did,
even if he had a better training camp at a better
off season, he wasn't going to start. But clean it up,
move on, sit out the season, and then if they

(55:55):
don't want your round, you go somewhere else and try
and rejuvenate your career. That's what he has to do
because it wasn't going to work Tennessee. So I'm all
for it. You know what in this and you guys
know this, teams will do anything to you so you
can do something for yourself. He did it, and I
respect him for it.

Speaker 4 (56:13):
That's uh, that's Pete Prisco.

Speaker 3 (56:15):
I know, Hey, Pete, I do want to ask your
opinion about what how hold this whole nfl PA debacle.

Speaker 4 (56:24):
I mean, I just give it, just take the take
the stage, go ahead.

Speaker 11 (56:29):
Well, I mean your magic city, your expense report. I mean,
that guy was leading the union.

Speaker 4 (56:37):
They magic tutsies.

Speaker 2 (56:39):
Isn't far from you, pete ye LEAs Toutsie's as good
as everybody makes it out to be.

Speaker 11 (56:43):
Was it was? It was? It was it tootsies? Does
that work?

Speaker 4 (56:46):
It was?

Speaker 5 (56:46):
That's right?

Speaker 4 (56:47):
Yeah, I mean it was actually both. It was both.

Speaker 11 (56:50):
Here's the thing about it. He's leading the union and
you're putting that your expense report. I mean, no wonder.
I mean, the lead just runs over the union. It's
been a disaster for a long time. You know, we
sit here and we say everybody should go, oh, they're
not going to have eighteen games. Yes they will, because
the union will allow it to happen. Of course they're

(57:10):
gonna have eighteen games. Look, my relationship with the NFLPA
has never been really strong to begin with. You know,
I was always one of those guys that pushed back
on them, and they never liked it. They never liked me.
So I you know, I can sit here and say
that I'm getting a real chuckle out of it. Because
it's just such a disaster. And you know, Brady, they

(57:32):
talk a big game, what do they really ever do
anything right by the player? Seriously, they always caves. They
don't really they don't do the things that they're supposed
to do, and it's kind of been the NFL knows
that and they kind of run them over and now
they have this happen.

Speaker 4 (57:47):
It's a disaster.

Speaker 3 (57:49):
So Pete, I want to try to say Lloyd Hell's
defense in this case, we were actually trying to shop
around for some meeting space in South Florida Leap the
lap our producers still working on getting some quotes from
some hotels. But what if the theory was that maybe
this was the cheaper way of finding a way to
congregate for some nfl PA meetings, was it was some

(58:12):
of those v I v I P suites they've got
there at Tutsi's. Would that would that maybe make some
sense to you them?

Speaker 4 (58:18):
Team bonding, team bonding?

Speaker 11 (58:20):
But how the hell are they concentrating on what they're
talking about? Give me a break, By the way, what
do you guys get in space in Miami in Miami four?
What are we talking about?

Speaker 3 (58:32):
Well, you know, we were just shopping around to think
if maybe that was the reason why, like Lloyd How.

Speaker 11 (58:37):
Was like we've been looking for I know you're coming down.

Speaker 4 (58:40):
We might if League gets a good enough deal at
Tutsi's apparently we might be coming back we.

Speaker 11 (58:47):
Get to go. I mean, you know, back in the day,
you probably could have got a good deal with the
cheatahp the corner over here.

Speaker 3 (58:54):
Actually, by the way, Pete, you've been in South Florida
for quite some time, is tutsis the spot? I mean,
what would be the places that maybe Lloyd how missed
on in that regard.

Speaker 11 (59:04):
No, by the way, I have never been to Tutsies.
I can honestly say that. But back in the day,
when when, when, when I was growing up here and
we used to go to those astablish there was like
about twenty of them in Broward County. They're not there anymore.
I mean they're you know, solid Gold and uh the
Monk and the Cheetah and all these other places.

Speaker 5 (59:22):
You know.

Speaker 11 (59:24):
Yeah, I mean they were all over the place. But
now there's now there's not as many of them. And
I never been I've never econ honestly said, I've never.

Speaker 2 (59:32):
Been to Totties, Pete, have you before I let you go.
Have you started to map out your training camp tour?
How's that looking?

Speaker 4 (59:38):
What are we?

Speaker 11 (59:38):
What are we? I'm going? I'm going, I told, I
told you I start Saturday in uh in Miami with
Camp Softy. You know, they they're gonna they love, they
love when I come because I do talk about how
soft the practices are and who's going to be I'm
going to find the players. But they're still not coming
in on time. Well why is that? Because your team
is soft? How about that?

Speaker 2 (01:00:01):
So you start with the Dolphins and then I.

Speaker 11 (01:00:04):
Got Jackson, I got Tampa, Jacksonville, Green Bay, Buffalo, and
a couple others. I think I'm going to go to
after that. But yeah, I mean it's it's fun to
get out there and see him and when you get there.
It's one thing about training camp, it's entirely different than
it used to be. First off, nobody hits anymore barely. Two,

(01:00:26):
you practice once a day. Three. This access is so
limited from what it used to be. Everything is you know,
you know, well, let's do this here, Let's bring this
guy over here. We'll bring him here. Instead of having
when guys walk off the field. Used to be able
to grab Brady when you played, if you came off
the practice field, a guy, media guy wanted to talk
to you, Go grab you, hey, Brady, can I get

(01:00:47):
you for a few seconds, right, you know, And it
was like you'd have a conversation with him, you get
to know him a little bit, you get to know
the guy. There's none of that anymore. It's gone. It's
all it's all restricted and getting to talk to you know,
pr people stand next to you when you talk to players,
What are you scared of? You're scared of me, You're
scared of the player. And so I think that we've

(01:01:08):
gotten to the point where the NFL has become very
rigid in the way they run things, and it's hurt
the relationship between the team and the media. And some
of that has to do with you know, these guys
have their own individual social media things. They no longer
they no longer need the media anymore. You know what
I'm saying. They don't need If you're if you're Travis
Hunter and Jacksonville, you do all your stuff on social media.

(01:01:29):
You don't need the media to help you get your
message out, you know, or anybody else. And so I
think It's changed the dynamic of the way you cover
a team, and I think it's hurt the league. It's
hurt the relationship with player and media, and I think, ultimately,
in the end, like somebody once said to me, if
they don't talk, and I've said this many a time,
you've heard me say this, pretty if you don't talk
to you, then just rain it down on them. They

(01:01:51):
have no record. Rain it, rain it, rain it. Just
get them in the MUDs. You can never come to
me and say anything because you don't talk to me.

Speaker 4 (01:02:02):
I literally think I want three for three today with
p Prisco.

Speaker 11 (01:02:05):
So you know, Brady, you know what you know how
to you know how to tweak, you know how to
get me going. I'm not a wind up doll.

Speaker 4 (01:02:12):
You just turned.

Speaker 2 (01:02:12):
The the pre Pee Prisco wind up doll on Tuesday morning.

Speaker 11 (01:02:19):
Tell her, by the way, that would be a top seller.
You are, you know, you just push the button and
you say.

Speaker 3 (01:02:24):
You are what you are?

Speaker 5 (01:02:25):
You know.

Speaker 4 (01:02:27):
I'm gonna build a bear review Pete. I'm gonna give
it to all my kids. They'll have all your quotes.

Speaker 11 (01:02:32):
Think about it. Think about the life lessons your kids
would learn from me. Brady, Come on, there's so many
of them, so many of them, so many is good
for me. I mean that's number one first and foremost.
There'd be on any kids lesson what's good for me
is good for me, period. End of story.

Speaker 2 (01:02:48):
The Great P Prisco with us here is senior NFL
columnist for CBS Sports, CBS Sports h Q analysts. Get
them on x at Prisco, CBS. Pete, good luck on
the start of training camp and we'll talk again next week.

Speaker 11 (01:03:03):
You got a guy, uh,