July 23, 2025 • 33 mins
Jonas & Brady break down Big Ten Media Day and commissioner Tony Petitti defending the conference's vision for the College Football Playoff, Trey Hendrickson holding out of Bengals camp as the team continues to refuse to pay him, Coop's Leftovers, and more!
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
Is the best of two pros and a couple of
Joe with Lamar Airings rating Win and Jonas Knox on
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Speaker 2 (00:13):
All Right, so let's get into the nuts and bolts
of some of the discussion from yesterday. Tony Pettiti is
the Big Ten commissioner. There's been this conversation about expansion
of the college Football Playoff for twenty twenty six. There's
the twelve team they had like a sixteen team. They've
got the SEC. I'm in the mix, ACC and Big
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twelve seem to be paired up together. So Tony Petiti
yesterday spoke about everything that comes along with the discussion
surrounding the college Football Playoff.
Speaker 3 (00:43):
Like the revenue share parameters, the Big Ten and SEC's
format control is set forth clearly in the agreement that
all members signed. With respect to format, the Big Ten
has been consistent and a strong preference for a playoff
system that allocate spots based on conference standings and the
results of playing games. We want to better connect the
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regular season and the postseason. A critical goal of any
postseason format, regardless of sport, is to keep as many
teams alive as deep into the season as possible. We
want more conference games to matter in November. Also, the
playoff format should not function as a disincentive to schedule
tough non conference games. As we said throughout this process,
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we are open to considering any format ideas that come
from our colleagues or the CFP staff, but to be clear,
formats that increased the discretion and role of the CFP
Selection Committee will have a difficult time getting support from
the Big Ten.
Speaker 2 (01:41):
All right, So that being said, what the hell are
we looking at when it comes to the expanded College
Football Playoff? Because it feels like the SEC started to
maybe side a little bit with the model that the
ACC in Big twelve was looking at, and now the
Big ten has come out and said listen, and we're
just not going to support that most likely.
Speaker 4 (02:03):
So it's a nuanced conversation. This is always about money,
and I've talked about this before. So the SEC is
pushing a model of the five conference champs, so the
Power four and the highest rank group of five would
get the automatic bids into the College Football Playoff, and
then the other eleven if we expanded to sixteen teams
would be at large bids, meaning the College Football Playoff
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Committee would look based on the course of the regular
season and say, you know, these teams are most fit
to make the playoff. Now, if we look at last
year and we applied that model, what would be interesting
to look at and see is, you know, would the
College Football Playoff Committee take teams who maybe had a
softer schedule in comparison to an SEC or of Big Ten,
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but teams only lost one or two games. It seems
like that'd be more the direction that they would lean
or go based on the gripes from a lot of
SEC teams who had three losses, for example, and weren't
a part of the playoff. Now, in a sixteen team playoff,
maybe it's different. You know, maybe the SEC gets some
of those that large bids that they, you know, wouldn't
have gotten in a twelve team But that's what's what's
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really it's about. It's about money. The more teams you
get from your conference into the College Football Playoff, the
more money you're gonna get for your conference, you know,
for your school. So there's a push I think to
some degree for that format, and apart from the SEC
because they think they're superior, and even for some of
the other conferences. I think to some degree because they
feel like if there's more at large bids, there's going
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to be more opportunities for some of those teams to
maybe steal more than only a couple of teams, you know.
For the example. The other format that has been discussed
and talked about is the four to four for Big
ten SEC. It'd be another two each for the Big
twelve an ACC So right there, if you're doing the
math on this and you've got sixteen, that's twelve. So
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you'd have another spot for the highest rank group, a
five team that would automatically get in, So those would
be your automatic qualifiers. You know, you'd be done right there,
and you'd be at thirteen. So you only have three
spots for at large bids. And look, you as a
fan might say I don't really care, or maybe that's
enough Big ten teams, or maybe that's enough big you know,
SEC teams. But the reason, one of the reasons why
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I think the Big ten wants to go at this
format is is if you go with the five conference
champions and then the eleven at large, there's the thought
that no one's going to schedule hard and non conference games.
They're they're going to try to have just a clean
sheet all the way through, and then that's gonna give
them the best chance of the best possible chance of
getting the playoff. If you schedule an automatic qualifiers, then
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it kind of comes back to instead of just worrying
about trying to make the college Football Playoff, it's more
about trying to be one of those top four teams
in your conference, at least if you're the Big Ten
or SEC, and if you're the Big twelve or ACC
one of those top two teams. And here's what's interesting
about that model. If you did go with that model,
I think what the Big Ten is proposed or some
people have talked about, is you would have a conference
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championship game one in which we're you know, obviously the
two teams playing for the conference championship one and two
in the conference would automatically be going into the College
Football Playoff. The winner would be the team that most
likely would get a buy if it was fourteen. If
it's sixteen, there's really not as much of an incentive,
but at least you're still winning the conference. If you
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looked at teams three through six, they would be, you know,
playing off for those final two spots, So it's kind
of more enticing at least when you look at that
conference championship weekend or how you go about structuring November,
as you heard Tony Petiti talk about, it would make
it more exciting because you'd have three games that are really,
really meaningful. Now, look, there's kund of arguments to all
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these because my counter argument, as I'm saying that right now,
would be, well, you look at last year. You know,
you felt like there was a ton of teams who
were in it because we didn't know who the College
Ftall Playoff Committee was going to select and be able
to rank within that group, and we also didn't know
how Confence Championship weekend was going to play out. So
I got to be honest with you, like, I'm not
sure how this hits you, and I know that's a
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lot of talking, but that's where college football's at. There's
a lot of disagreement, there's a lot of confusion. There's
a lot of people who, quite honestly, I almost feel
like they don't they don't even want to deal with
it because they may want to see the twelve team
playoff play out a little bit more before they make
this expansion push.
Speaker 2 (06:25):
That's kind of where I fall in it is it's
a little overwhelming that we got one taste of the
college Football Playoff at twelve teams and expanding to that point,
and I felt like people were so in the weeds
with complaints about last year's formats to really sit and
enjoy it. And I just looked at it and said,
he's year one. It's expanded, and it's awesome. The fact
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that you're getting to see those home games, the weather
having an impact, getting to be there at the Orange Bowl.
Like going into that scene at the Orange Bowl between
Notre Dame and Penn State, I wasn't really sure what
to expect because I thought, Okay, you know, how how
is this? How are they really going to present this
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to people on the outside. Myself didn't have a rooting interest,
just went there to cover the game with you guys,
and then to be there and see the excitement, and
I thought, oh, this is awesome. And the fact that
you get more of these type games in playoff games,
meaning moving forward, I think is great for the sport.
And I just felt like there was too much of, well,
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what's wrong with it? As opposed to what's right?
Speaker 5 (07:34):
With it.
Speaker 2 (07:34):
And that's where now we get to this offseason and
instead of just looking at the twelve team that we're
going to get here and some of the adjustments that
they've made, now we're already talking about sixteen. You've got
you know, the Big Ten campaigning for their side of it,
You've got the SEC doing it. You've got you know,
the ACC and the Big twelve kind of pairing up,
and it just feels like it's overtaking what should be
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a really fun season and the expanded playoff. Now we
get to see in year two how teams adjust and
how teams are going to I guess, approach the year
with one year in the bag, one year in the books,
and what does it look like in year two of
this expanded version, as opposed to let's just jump right
ahead to twenty twenty six and then talk about that.
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I just I want to kind of take in year
two and then go from there. And I feel like
there's been a lot in the weeds. And I'm talking
to Petros about this and I was like, man, it's
kind of like the college football offseason is kind of
exhausting because it is about nil. It is about the
expanded playoff, and you're not hearing a whole hell of
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a lot about all right, well, who's supposed to be
good this year? Like who are the players to watch?
We've heard a lot about arch Manning. I can already
get the vibe that he's going to be the guy
that's going to be the lightning rod for hot takes
because of the name and everything that goes along with it.
But as opposed to all of that, all we're talking
about is how do we expand it? How do you
fix nil? It's in the it's played out lead, like
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all of the other things that come along with it.
As opposed to, hey man, we're going to get expanded playoffs,
teams with an opportunity that maybe wouldn't have had an
opportunity to win a championship, and the seasons right around
the corner. We're a month out, literally a month out
from the season starting. That should be the excitement as
opposed to all the other stuff that's playing to next
year and beyond.
Speaker 4 (09:21):
I don't know, And look, it's unfortunate, but this is
where college football has been. I mean, it seems like
every single offseason it's conversations about an il, it's conversation
about the transfer portal, and there was a ruling yesterday
that we can get to it at some point later on.
That's going to change the way at least based on
the past week or so schools thought they were going
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to operate with how much money they could spend on
a roster. You know, that war chest of funds just
opened back up yesterday. So that's a whole other conversation.
Like all that being said, college football, just from meeting
with these coaches and players, though, is still in a
really great spot. I mean, I'm always blown away by
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one just how much bigger and more athletic, and like
the kids keep getting like every single time, like every
year that goes by, I'm like, gosh, am I getting smaller?
Or like Sonny Styles, the linebacker for Ohio State, I'm like,
my god, like he's just you see these kids walk by.
Jeremiah Smith yesterday, I'm looking at him like I literally
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said to him, I go, hey, I have to come
by a house state that do do I ca an
interview with you and your coach in like a week
or two, I go, can we just play catch? Can
I just throw to you? For I just want to
get the experience of what it feels like to throw
to someone who's going to be that talented, who's like
the next Randy Moss or whoever you want to compare
him to. That's what strikes me as But it's just
ridiculous when you see these young men and you're going,
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I don't remember them looking like this back when I played,
and so I do fall sometimes, not to completely segue
to a different topic to when you hear all these
old timers are like a play back, I'm like, I
don't know, man, these guys are pretty damn elite and
athletic and so much more technically sound and more fundamentally
advanced than the older generations, just with how much specialized
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coaching they've gone and training they've gotten. It never never
amazes me every single year just seeing some of the
studs that come through the sport.
Speaker 2 (11:21):
Being at the Orange Bowl on the side, like watching
and kind of looking from you know, the crowd and
seeing all the guys that aren't playing that either you know,
aren't in the rotation, aren't good enough to play, or
still working their way into potentially more of a playing
more of a role next year, and seeing how big
those guys are, and then it just puts into perspective
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if those guys can't get on the field, what the
hell are the guys on the field like? And you
just you take a step back and you realize, my god,
I just looked up by the way you mentioned sunny styles.
He's twenty years old, he's six four, two thirty five,
so it hasn't even really filled out. And so he's like,
it's just it's a whole nother world, man, It's a
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whole nother world. And you see, you know, you you
just think about, you know, what it takes to actually
get to that. And I'm surprised every time I see
somebody who's an athlete, the difference, like we're both human beings,
yet we're not really the same human being, Like they're
on another level. And so to see that it's right
around the corner is going to be a lot of fun. Now,
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do you have a preference? Do you have a preference?
If somebody were to say to you, you've got to
pick your expanded college football playoff model for the sixteen team,
do you do you fall on the side of the
five plus eleven or do you go with the other
the other eye.
Speaker 4 (12:39):
I think it depends on like, I'm not as much
of a fan. Well, I guess there's there's two reasons
why I would be a fan for the four and
four automatic qualifiers for the Big ten and SEC is
if they did do the playing games with the third
through sixth ranked teams. I think it makes that pretty
compelling case where you've got three games that are ultimately
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really mean in the Big Ten the SEC, and obviously
you would have you know, a couple of those as well.
And then the problem is with that model, I don't
know how the ACC and the Big twelve would would
handle the automatic qualifiers with two because I mean, you're
gonna have basically your two teams playing in the conference championship,
and if there's two teams going from your conference, you'd
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be saying, well, it's not we can't say the winner
of this game goes and the loser dozen. But the
problem with that is if you say both teams go,
then there's nothing on the line. So what do you
do to create two games where the winner I mean,
now you have four teams in the mix for it,
even though they're that fourth team might have three losses
and they're playing the number one team and they've got
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their undefeated. If you catch where I'm going with this,
it gets complicated with how you go about breaking it down,
and so it's it's one of the reasons why I
think I like the five conference champions and the eleven
automatic qualifiers and that model better. But that's still without
you know, not without issues. Ultimately, when it comes down
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to it, you know, I think, what's happened in this case,
and this is not to go on a diatribe. This
is a byproduct of ESPN and what they've done to
college football. And you might think it's good, you might
think it's bad, but this is what's happened. College football
was always a regular season sport. You'd play your ten games,
eleven games back in the day, you'd go to a
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bowl game, and then the AP would decide who they
thought was the national champion.
Speaker 5 (14:27):
All right.
Speaker 4 (14:28):
It evolved from then to then becoming this. Well, now
we're gonna have the BCS, so we have a ranking system,
and that ranking system is going to pair off the
top two teams based on the computer and all these
different models, and even there were some human you know,
votes that were in there too, And we're going to
decide who the two teams are there, and those two
teams played off for the national champion. That's how we
did it. Then then we expanded to the playoff. We
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had four teams playoff for right and now we're to
this point. And what's interesting about the more we expand
the playoff, it takes away then from the regular season.
It takes away from those non conference matchups because teams,
as was a talking point yesterday Indiana, go look at
there when you get a chance, their non conference schedule
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for the next five years, and look at what they've
done to try to make sure they have an unblemished
record in non conference play just to get to conference play.
And the shots that Kirk Sidnetty took up the SEC
it was great, But more teams are going to do
that unless you force him to play tougher non conference schedules.
And so what's happening, at least in my opinion in
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college football is ESPN has taken it to make it
more about the college Football Playoff, which they completely own.
Tn T will be a part of it only because
they leave. They they at least you know, a portion
of it back, but they completely own it. And so
the SEC is backed by the ESPN, the ACC is
backed by ESPN, the Big Twelve who's partially backed by ESPN.
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They're all pushing for that model because it really comes
down to what ESPN wants to do, and they want
to highlight the playoff as much as possible because they
have control over that. That's what this is really about.
It's about ESPN trying to manipulate, to me the game
of college football and change it from being what was
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a regular season sport. And we all kind of, you know,
love the matchups, love the robberies, love the history, and
now kind of make it not as consequential only to
the point of, well, you know, how are we getting
those teams to get in? But once we get in
the playoff, that's what really matters. That's what's happening in
to college football. One of the conference championship games are
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becoming somewhat meaningless, at least as it currently stands, until
we expand to sixteen and so forth.
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Speaker 2 (17:57):
We do have some hopes that maybe things will turn
round for somebody in the NFL, and that somebody is
none other than Trey Hendrickson, the star pass rusher for
the Cincinnati Bengals. This from Diana Rossini, who wrote this
on social media yesterday on x quote just spoke to
Bengals pass rusher Trey Hendrickson, who is currently in Jacksonville.
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For the last thirty days. He'd been at his home
in Cincinnati and training, but his training camp approached, he
and his wife decided to leave. They received two offers
and a twenty four hour span, none containing the guarantees
passed the first year he was looking for. Hendrickson didn't
want to hear the practice whistles while being a distraction
to his teammates, so he and his wife, Alyssa, decided
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to pack up and head to Florida. Down in Jacksonville,
Hendrickson continues to train, hoping that a deal could be
worked out.
Speaker 4 (18:49):
Quote.
Speaker 2 (18:50):
I was more than willing to take less in some
ways in order to make this work. So that from
Diana Rossini on the subject of Trey Hendrickson, he has
not agreed to a deal with the Cincinnati Bengals. I
mean it just it discontinues on and I get this
funny feeling this thing's gonna end poorly. Either he's going
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to get traded or he's just not going to get
a deal with the Bengals.
Speaker 4 (19:16):
That based on that report, does it feel like the
Bengals are almost betting against him being able to keep
this sort of productivity. And that's what it feels like.
If you're only able to give him one year of
guarantees in the deal, you're you're looking at his age
and you're saying he's either going to be subject to
injury or he's gonna have a dramatic decline in his
level of play. Now, I also say this too about
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Al Golden and when we you and I have talked
about this before in regards to scheme and sometimes the
coordinators and how that can play a factor into how
they value players and some organizations and how those coaches
play a factor in how much they value you know,
a big contract extension like this, because if you've got
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a more elaborate scheme, we're gonna be pressuring like Al
Golden does. And I assume what he did at Notre
Dame wi Vie is very similar to what he's going
to do in Cincinnati. I'm not saying that you don't
need talented players. You always need talented players. But when
you talk about a guy who's got what seventeen sacks
the past two years, you know you are at times
trying to isolate him and you can get away with
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a four man rush because he's so productive, and I'm
sure every defense coordinator would love that luxury. But if
you're a guy who likes to bring pressure and likes to,
you know, do a variety of things, maybe that is necessary,
right because you're going to find a way of getting
free runners based on the protection, and you're going to
scheme up some things to get pressure. You don't need
to necessarily pay you a ton of money out for
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it if that's the case. So I do wonder how
you know that new defensive scheme without Golden calling the
defense is factors in to some degree to to any
of this. But when I hear only one year of guarantees.
What it's saying to me is like they don't believe
that he's going to be able to maintain his production.
They don't believe he's gonna be able to maintain his
level of health, which is unfortunate. So hopefully they can
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get to a point where they at least give him
two years of guarantees. You know, it used to be
quarterbacks were the only ones who got into the third year.
We're seeing some of the top players now other positions
get that, and we've obviously seen players like Deshaun Watson
get a fully guaranteed deal, but those are few and
far between. As we know, the owners have colluded to
make sure that doesn't happen again. This is what doesn't
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make any sense about what the Bengals are doing. If
this is the approach and the report is true, he's
only getting one year of guarantees. I could understand if
there was a history of injuries, especially over the past
couple of years as he's gotten older. There hasn't he
started every game the past two years. He's gotten better
as the contract has gone on.
Speaker 2 (21:48):
From twenty twenty one to now, he's gotten better and
he's been healthy the previous two years. So if anybody's
got a gripe, or if anybody's got a a you know,
look at what I've done. There's no evidence to support
the fact that maybe I'm slipping as I'm getting a
little bit older. In fact, I've gotten better the previous
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two seasons. It's Trey Hendrickson. And yet for some reason,
if that's the case, and the Bengals are like, yeah,
we're just not sure if you can keep this up.
What has given you any indication of that. He hasn't
missed games like he's produced. He's been one of your
only producers on the defensive side of the ball. Without him,
what is this defense? And then it goes to the
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Shamar Stewart stuff where it's like, Okay, well, at least
we've got a backup plan. You don't even have that
like that. That's the part of this I don't understand.
And I know that you're paying somebody not for what
they've did, but for what they can do. But at
a certain point you do have to look at this
and go, what evidence do we have to support us
thinking that he can't last, or that he can't hold
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up physically or whatever. It is at this at this
stage of his career when all the evidence would point
to no, he actually has, and in fact, he's gotten
better the previous two years. That's a part of this.
It doesn't make any sense to me.
Speaker 4 (23:03):
It's also odd too, because we've seen like older pass
rushers still be able to play extremely well late into
their career, and if you look at how the leagues
continue to evolve, it's not as if we're talking about,
you know, a guy who is going to be going
up against a lot of you know, I formations, base
personnel sets where you're gonna be playing against the run
more often than not. I mean, these guys are are there,
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everyone's throwing more, everyone's playing in more spread formations, So
he's going to have the opportunity to be in there
on passing downs or even passing situations to impact the game.
So you know, not only do you do you like
to have Shamar Stewart in there as a young player,
but you'd like to have a veteran that at least
if it's you know, for a year, you know they
can you know, they can model this after And to
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be quite honest, that's the other part of the equation
is they're only probably willing to do one year of
guarantees because they don't want to have to thrust Shamar Stewart,
as we talked to Pete Prisco about yesterday, into starting
and playing right away. He hasn't been there all off season.
They can't seem to figure out that contractual situation. So
even if they do get him in at some point,
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you'd like him to be able to sit and watch
and then slowly work him in until he's playing a
more pivotal role, and then two years from now, you know,
let that be his opportunity to be the guy. And
at that point in time, you're going to look the
Trey Hendrickson saying, hey, there's no guarantees left on this deal.
That makes it much easier to trade. That makes us
much much easier to move on from you if we
need to, if there's an issue. You know, creates more
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flexibility for the ownership. So you can understand too why
they only have one year of guarantees in it, and
and because of you know who's waiting in the wings,
And you can understand why Trey Hendrickson would be frustrated
by that because to a certain degree he knows that's
the writing on the wall, like he knows exactly the
move that they made. Even though you know Sam Hubber retired,
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you know, they still are looking at it saying like
this is eventually going to end, and we've got your
replacement waiting to you know, sitting right behind you, waiting
to come in for that moment. We just haven't figured
out his contract.
Speaker 2 (25:00):
How could Joe Burrow factor into this? Could he put
pressure on the organization publicly? I know it's not you know,
maybe his job to do that, but if he's the guy,
if he's the face of the franchise, and you know
he is spoken about, yeah, listen, it's not ideal. You know,
we've got you know, he's made mention of it before
in the off season. But if they start asking him questions,
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how could he put pressure on them to try and
get this deal done? Because he wanted to get the
t Higgins deal done, they got it done. He wanted
to get Jamar Chase done. They got it done. They
obviously got his deal done. Why not step on the
gas and put heat on the organization to get this done.
Speaker 4 (25:34):
Well, that'd be a better question for him, But of
course he could you know, put pressure on them by
publicly stating we need to get this done or publicly
advocating for Trey, and not that I mean that would
be a comment that if he said it out loud
or to the media, I would assume Mike Brown would
be walking down to his locker soon after that. I mean,
that's that's where this thing goes. So he's aware of
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that he's been compensated handsomely. And you know, as much
as you want to help out your teammates, there's also
elements of like, well how much are you willing to
help out? And maybe that'd be a conversation Mike Brown
would wouldn't have with them, you know. But again that
hasn't happened yet, not saying it won't if we don't
get to that point, but because I'm sure they're going
to continue to keep asking Joe Burrow about this, and
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again I keep going back to the track record. I
know Bengals fans probably hate hearing this and that sound
like it's a broken record, But Carson Palmer got frustrated
with this and it eventually drove him away from the franchise.
And you have to beg it begs to ask the question,
will Joe Burrow get frustrated with this if every single time,
you know, we look at this Bengals organization is are
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they willing to step up? You know, we never got
our clip yesterday together. Of all the many things that
I told you, Pete Prisco would say in defense.
Speaker 2 (26:47):
Of the Bengals, by the way, your best performance in
the history of this show is.
Speaker 4 (26:50):
I don't know about that, but the prediction, I mean,
it's again he's he's It's very easy to tell with
Pete because he's got his buddies and he defends his
buddies and like anyone would, but he's also blinded to
the fact that they are cheap. I mean, I know
guys who played for that organization. Trust me, they are cheap,
all right. They will any play let's play with them,
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and they play anywhere else. They'll tell you that. So
that being said, I do think Burro could help, but
it might come at the expense of maybe his relationship
with Mike Brown or the organization and how that would feel.
Speaker 2 (27:24):
Like I do wonder about that when you mentioned people
who have been there, because I think TJ. Hush Manzada
has talked about just how cheap they were when he
was a part of it. And then you hear the
Carson Palmer stuff. He basically just decided to retire, like
really good quarterback just decided I got to get the
hell out of here. I can't I can't be a
part of this anymore. And I do wonder all this
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offseason is done, even though they paid t Higgins and
even though they paid Jamar Chase, Like if you're a
defensive player, like, are you even considering the Bengals in
free agency? Like based on all of this? Like if
you're a guy in the draft, are you are you
looking at the bank when their pick comes up and
you're playing on that side of the ball, thinking, oh, please,
please not this. Like all they've done is prove people
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right about how frugal and cheap the organization is. And
Bengal fans can get pissy about it all they want.
Andy Furman just text me, By the way, all of
a sudden, he's a Bengals ball washer, a guy's been
ripping the organization for thirty five years, going all the
way back to Sam Weish, and now he's texting me, going,
but Trey's under contract. Apparently that doesn't mean anything. Dude,
he's outperformed his deal. Max Crosby went down with an
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injury last year and got paid this offseason. Miles Garrett
got paid, TJ Watt got paid. He's made. Trey Henderson
is making half of what those guys have made, and
he had a better year than all of them last year.
Like I don't, there's no argument for the Bengals at
this point, And for some reason, you got people like
fanboys like Andy Furman, who's gonna sit there and cave
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up for him. It's disgusting.
Speaker 1 (28:58):
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These might smell a little fun, that sounds incredible, but
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Lee's leftovers.
Speaker 2 (29:19):
Yeah, well kind of Lee's not here, so we do
have some leftovers.
Speaker 5 (29:23):
And so, do you have any.
Speaker 2 (29:24):
Questions you want to ask Coop about his child acting career? Brady, So,
I've got.
Speaker 4 (29:29):
Yeah, I actually have a lot of questions. The first
being this though, Coop, So when you're a childhood actor,
I feel like you're not far removed from like a
like a pet that's on like a TV show or
a movie. Is that kind of similar to how you're
like directed and how your coached everything. When you're out there,
they're like are they like, oh good boy? Yeah, great child?
Like how exactly does that work?
Speaker 7 (29:48):
Yeah?
Speaker 5 (29:49):
I mean that can happen.
Speaker 8 (29:52):
There's but it depends on like who it's coming from,
because there's there's that vibe.
Speaker 5 (29:57):
And then there's also kind of a lot.
Speaker 8 (30:00):
Of times I experienced where you've got like the really
seasoned actor and it's just kind of like, you know,
we're we're doing to be a professional.
Speaker 4 (30:12):
You're like, yes, I mean how old were you when
you're acting?
Speaker 5 (30:15):
I started when I was like four, and I went
till I was like thirteen.
Speaker 2 (30:19):
And by the way, for people listening, you were the
star of Liar Liar and Dennis the Menace.
Speaker 5 (30:24):
Right strikes again?
Speaker 2 (30:26):
Okay, yeah, but yeah you were the Liar Liar?
Speaker 4 (30:30):
Yeah yeah? Do I mean again, in that particular case,
you're working with like a star like Jim Carrey. How
is he to work with?
Speaker 5 (30:37):
He was awesome?
Speaker 1 (30:38):
Uh.
Speaker 8 (30:39):
I think a big part of what you know, how
your experience as a child actor, you know, pans out
is how involved your parent is and how on top
of things they are. Because my mom was very much
she's oh, she's.
Speaker 4 (30:54):
Like a dance mom. She's like there all the time.
Speaker 5 (30:56):
And just always always there.
Speaker 8 (30:58):
And I feel like a lot of the times when
you have like the child actors that you know, go
awry and you know, get into drugs and flame out,
like like the the Amanda Bids types.
Speaker 9 (31:09):
And I don't know specifically her story, by the way,
you know, she crashed into my buddies, like right right
in front of my buddy's house and thousand Oaks like
that was right in front of his house.
Speaker 2 (31:21):
His dad actually came out and found her. Was she
having a car or a car?
Speaker 8 (31:25):
Well, you know, And I feel like a lot of
times when that sort of thing's happened, it's the parent
is kind of just like.
Speaker 5 (31:30):
Oh, yeah, you know, go ahead, you know, do do whatever,
just like you know, do whatever you want with my kid.
Speaker 8 (31:37):
But my mom was not like she she went up
to Jim Carrey at the start and was like you
you did not curse around my child.
Speaker 4 (31:44):
She was giving Jim Carrey a business.
Speaker 2 (31:45):
Yeah, this is great, this is great, all right, Coop,
which actor did you work with that you would not
be surprised if they were at a ditty party?
Speaker 8 (31:57):
Ah, I don't know that I want to answer this?
Speaker 1 (32:02):
Why not?
Speaker 2 (32:03):
I don't.
Speaker 5 (32:04):
I don't know that anybody that.
Speaker 2 (32:06):
I worked with would have been at a ditty part.
Who was the biggest weirdo?
Speaker 4 (32:10):
Yeah, he's gonna take this on a terrible Tangentop, don't
listen to what he's asking you these I actually want
to know something real. How do you rememberize lines?
Speaker 1 (32:22):
Like?
Speaker 4 (32:22):
Is there a method to that?
Speaker 8 (32:25):
I just always had a really good I don't. I
don't know if you can call it photographic memory.
Speaker 5 (32:31):
I guess.
Speaker 8 (32:33):
I would just have to kind of read through the
script once and I would kind of I would know it.
Speaker 2 (32:39):
I don't know.
Speaker 4 (32:40):
So there's no way that you could, like someone could
coach you or teach you and how to remember this stuff.
Speaker 5 (32:45):
I imagine you can. It's not something that that I
ever needed to do.
Speaker 8 (32:50):
In fact, it was kind of something that I remember
co stars getting annoyed with because like they would forget
their line and they'd be like line and then and
then I would say what their line was?
Speaker 2 (33:03):
I'm sure get beat up. I didn't know stuff locker.
Was it Marlon Brando who had an earpiece when he
was acting? Or he had Q cards. I've heard that
some actors will have Q cards that camera.
Speaker 5 (33:16):
Yeah, that happens sometimes.
Speaker 4 (33:17):
Yeah. Now Marlon Brando is how old?
Speaker 2 (33:21):
But I think this den Yeah, yeah he is.
Speaker 4 (33:24):
That's what I'm saying. You're bringing up somebod who's not
even alive. You know, the age gabber Di spirit between
Coop and Parland.
Speaker 2 (33:31):
Brando was an actor like Coop knows all these people.
Come on, you've got your sad cards.
Speaker 4 (33:36):
Yeah, I'm sure you've met Marlon Brando a number of times.
Speaker 5 (33:39):
That's that's one that I did not meet unfortunately.
Speaker 2 (33:41):
Okay, good stories, Yeah, listen, but we got something done
here
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Speaker 2 (00:13):
All Right, so let's get into the nuts and bolts
of some of the discussion from yesterday. Tony Pettiti is
the Big Ten commissioner. There's been this conversation about expansion
of the college Football Playoff for twenty twenty six. There's
the twelve team they had like a sixteen team. They've
got the SEC. I'm in the mix, ACC and Big
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twelve seem to be paired up together. So Tony Petiti
yesterday spoke about everything that comes along with the discussion
surrounding the college Football Playoff.
Speaker 3 (00:43):
Like the revenue share parameters, the Big Ten and SEC's
format control is set forth clearly in the agreement that
all members signed. With respect to format, the Big Ten
has been consistent and a strong preference for a playoff
system that allocate spots based on conference standings and the
results of playing games. We want to better connect the
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regular season and the postseason. A critical goal of any
postseason format, regardless of sport, is to keep as many
teams alive as deep into the season as possible. We
want more conference games to matter in November. Also, the
playoff format should not function as a disincentive to schedule
tough non conference games. As we said throughout this process,
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we are open to considering any format ideas that come
from our colleagues or the CFP staff, but to be clear,
formats that increased the discretion and role of the CFP
Selection Committee will have a difficult time getting support from
the Big Ten.
Speaker 2 (01:41):
All right, So that being said, what the hell are
we looking at when it comes to the expanded College
Football Playoff? Because it feels like the SEC started to
maybe side a little bit with the model that the
ACC in Big twelve was looking at, and now the
Big ten has come out and said listen, and we're
just not going to support that most likely.
Speaker 4 (02:03):
So it's a nuanced conversation. This is always about money,
and I've talked about this before. So the SEC is
pushing a model of the five conference champs, so the
Power four and the highest rank group of five would
get the automatic bids into the College Football Playoff, and
then the other eleven if we expanded to sixteen teams
would be at large bids, meaning the College Football Playoff
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Committee would look based on the course of the regular
season and say, you know, these teams are most fit
to make the playoff. Now, if we look at last
year and we applied that model, what would be interesting
to look at and see is, you know, would the
College Football Playoff Committee take teams who maybe had a
softer schedule in comparison to an SEC or of Big Ten,
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but teams only lost one or two games. It seems
like that'd be more the direction that they would lean
or go based on the gripes from a lot of
SEC teams who had three losses, for example, and weren't
a part of the playoff. Now, in a sixteen team playoff,
maybe it's different. You know, maybe the SEC gets some
of those that large bids that they, you know, wouldn't
have gotten in a twelve team But that's what's what's
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really it's about. It's about money. The more teams you
get from your conference into the College Football Playoff, the
more money you're gonna get for your conference, you know,
for your school. So there's a push I think to
some degree for that format, and apart from the SEC
because they think they're superior, and even for some of
the other conferences. I think to some degree because they
feel like if there's more at large bids, there's going
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to be more opportunities for some of those teams to
maybe steal more than only a couple of teams, you know.
For the example. The other format that has been discussed
and talked about is the four to four for Big
ten SEC. It'd be another two each for the Big
twelve an ACC So right there, if you're doing the
math on this and you've got sixteen, that's twelve. So
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you'd have another spot for the highest rank group, a
five team that would automatically get in, So those would
be your automatic qualifiers. You know, you'd be done right there,
and you'd be at thirteen. So you only have three
spots for at large bids. And look, you as a
fan might say I don't really care, or maybe that's
enough Big ten teams, or maybe that's enough big you know,
SEC teams. But the reason, one of the reasons why
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I think the Big ten wants to go at this
format is is if you go with the five conference
champions and then the eleven at large, there's the thought
that no one's going to schedule hard and non conference games.
They're they're going to try to have just a clean
sheet all the way through, and then that's gonna give
them the best chance of the best possible chance of
getting the playoff. If you schedule an automatic qualifiers, then
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it kind of comes back to instead of just worrying
about trying to make the college Football Playoff, it's more
about trying to be one of those top four teams
in your conference, at least if you're the Big Ten
or SEC, and if you're the Big twelve or ACC
one of those top two teams. And here's what's interesting
about that model. If you did go with that model,
I think what the Big Ten is proposed or some
people have talked about, is you would have a conference
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championship game one in which we're you know, obviously the
two teams playing for the conference championship one and two
in the conference would automatically be going into the College
Football Playoff. The winner would be the team that most
likely would get a buy if it was fourteen. If
it's sixteen, there's really not as much of an incentive,
but at least you're still winning the conference. If you
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looked at teams three through six, they would be, you know,
playing off for those final two spots, So it's kind
of more enticing at least when you look at that
conference championship weekend or how you go about structuring November,
as you heard Tony Petiti talk about, it would make
it more exciting because you'd have three games that are really,
really meaningful. Now, look, there's kund of arguments to all
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these because my counter argument, as I'm saying that right now,
would be, well, you look at last year. You know,
you felt like there was a ton of teams who
were in it because we didn't know who the College
Ftall Playoff Committee was going to select and be able
to rank within that group, and we also didn't know
how Confence Championship weekend was going to play out. So
I got to be honest with you, like, I'm not
sure how this hits you, and I know that's a
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lot of talking, but that's where college football's at. There's
a lot of disagreement, there's a lot of confusion. There's
a lot of people who, quite honestly, I almost feel
like they don't they don't even want to deal with
it because they may want to see the twelve team
playoff play out a little bit more before they make
this expansion push.
Speaker 2 (06:25):
That's kind of where I fall in it is it's
a little overwhelming that we got one taste of the
college Football Playoff at twelve teams and expanding to that point,
and I felt like people were so in the weeds
with complaints about last year's formats to really sit and
enjoy it. And I just looked at it and said,
he's year one. It's expanded, and it's awesome. The fact
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that you're getting to see those home games, the weather
having an impact, getting to be there at the Orange Bowl.
Like going into that scene at the Orange Bowl between
Notre Dame and Penn State, I wasn't really sure what
to expect because I thought, Okay, you know, how how
is this? How are they really going to present this
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to people on the outside. Myself didn't have a rooting interest,
just went there to cover the game with you guys,
and then to be there and see the excitement, and
I thought, oh, this is awesome. And the fact that
you get more of these type games in playoff games,
meaning moving forward, I think is great for the sport.
And I just felt like there was too much of, well,
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what's wrong with it? As opposed to what's right?
Speaker 5 (07:34):
With it.
Speaker 2 (07:34):
And that's where now we get to this offseason and
instead of just looking at the twelve team that we're
going to get here and some of the adjustments that
they've made, now we're already talking about sixteen. You've got
you know, the Big Ten campaigning for their side of it,
You've got the SEC doing it. You've got you know,
the ACC and the Big twelve kind of pairing up,
and it just feels like it's overtaking what should be
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a really fun season and the expanded playoff. Now we
get to see in year two how teams adjust and
how teams are going to I guess, approach the year
with one year in the bag, one year in the books,
and what does it look like in year two of
this expanded version, as opposed to let's just jump right
ahead to twenty twenty six and then talk about that.
(08:18):
I just I want to kind of take in year
two and then go from there. And I feel like
there's been a lot in the weeds. And I'm talking
to Petros about this and I was like, man, it's
kind of like the college football offseason is kind of
exhausting because it is about nil. It is about the
expanded playoff, and you're not hearing a whole hell of
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a lot about all right, well, who's supposed to be
good this year? Like who are the players to watch?
We've heard a lot about arch Manning. I can already
get the vibe that he's going to be the guy
that's going to be the lightning rod for hot takes
because of the name and everything that goes along with it.
But as opposed to all of that, all we're talking
about is how do we expand it? How do you
fix nil? It's in the it's played out lead, like
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all of the other things that come along with it.
As opposed to, hey man, we're going to get expanded playoffs,
teams with an opportunity that maybe wouldn't have had an
opportunity to win a championship, and the seasons right around
the corner. We're a month out, literally a month out
from the season starting. That should be the excitement as
opposed to all the other stuff that's playing to next
year and beyond.
Speaker 4 (09:21):
I don't know, And look, it's unfortunate, but this is
where college football has been. I mean, it seems like
every single offseason it's conversations about an il, it's conversation
about the transfer portal, and there was a ruling yesterday
that we can get to it at some point later on.
That's going to change the way at least based on
the past week or so schools thought they were going
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to operate with how much money they could spend on
a roster. You know, that war chest of funds just
opened back up yesterday. So that's a whole other conversation.
Like all that being said, college football, just from meeting
with these coaches and players, though, is still in a
really great spot. I mean, I'm always blown away by
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one just how much bigger and more athletic, and like
the kids keep getting like every single time, like every
year that goes by, I'm like, gosh, am I getting smaller?
Or like Sonny Styles, the linebacker for Ohio State, I'm like,
my god, like he's just you see these kids walk by.
Jeremiah Smith yesterday, I'm looking at him like I literally
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said to him, I go, hey, I have to come
by a house state that do do I ca an
interview with you and your coach in like a week
or two, I go, can we just play catch? Can
I just throw to you? For I just want to
get the experience of what it feels like to throw
to someone who's going to be that talented, who's like
the next Randy Moss or whoever you want to compare
him to. That's what strikes me as But it's just
ridiculous when you see these young men and you're going,
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I don't remember them looking like this back when I played,
and so I do fall sometimes, not to completely segue
to a different topic to when you hear all these
old timers are like a play back, I'm like, I
don't know, man, these guys are pretty damn elite and
athletic and so much more technically sound and more fundamentally
advanced than the older generations, just with how much specialized
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coaching they've gone and training they've gotten. It never never
amazes me every single year just seeing some of the
studs that come through the sport.
Speaker 2 (11:21):
Being at the Orange Bowl on the side, like watching
and kind of looking from you know, the crowd and
seeing all the guys that aren't playing that either you know,
aren't in the rotation, aren't good enough to play, or
still working their way into potentially more of a playing
more of a role next year, and seeing how big
those guys are, and then it just puts into perspective
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if those guys can't get on the field, what the
hell are the guys on the field like? And you
just you take a step back and you realize, my god,
I just looked up by the way you mentioned sunny styles.
He's twenty years old, he's six four, two thirty five,
so it hasn't even really filled out. And so he's like,
it's just it's a whole nother world, man, It's a
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whole nother world. And you see, you know, you you
just think about, you know, what it takes to actually
get to that. And I'm surprised every time I see
somebody who's an athlete, the difference, like we're both human beings,
yet we're not really the same human being, Like they're
on another level. And so to see that it's right
around the corner is going to be a lot of fun. Now,
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do you have a preference? Do you have a preference?
If somebody were to say to you, you've got to
pick your expanded college football playoff model for the sixteen team,
do you do you fall on the side of the
five plus eleven or do you go with the other
the other eye.
Speaker 4 (12:39):
I think it depends on like, I'm not as much
of a fan. Well, I guess there's there's two reasons
why I would be a fan for the four and
four automatic qualifiers for the Big ten and SEC is
if they did do the playing games with the third
through sixth ranked teams. I think it makes that pretty
compelling case where you've got three games that are ultimately
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really mean in the Big Ten the SEC, and obviously
you would have you know, a couple of those as well.
And then the problem is with that model, I don't
know how the ACC and the Big twelve would would
handle the automatic qualifiers with two because I mean, you're
gonna have basically your two teams playing in the conference championship,
and if there's two teams going from your conference, you'd
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be saying, well, it's not we can't say the winner
of this game goes and the loser dozen. But the
problem with that is if you say both teams go,
then there's nothing on the line. So what do you
do to create two games where the winner I mean,
now you have four teams in the mix for it,
even though they're that fourth team might have three losses
and they're playing the number one team and they've got
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their undefeated. If you catch where I'm going with this,
it gets complicated with how you go about breaking it down,
and so it's it's one of the reasons why I
think I like the five conference champions and the eleven
automatic qualifiers and that model better. But that's still without
you know, not without issues. Ultimately, when it comes down
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to it, you know, I think, what's happened in this case,
and this is not to go on a diatribe. This
is a byproduct of ESPN and what they've done to
college football. And you might think it's good, you might
think it's bad, but this is what's happened. College football
was always a regular season sport. You'd play your ten games,
eleven games back in the day, you'd go to a
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bowl game, and then the AP would decide who they
thought was the national champion.
Speaker 5 (14:27):
All right.
Speaker 4 (14:28):
It evolved from then to then becoming this. Well, now
we're gonna have the BCS, so we have a ranking system,
and that ranking system is going to pair off the
top two teams based on the computer and all these
different models, and even there were some human you know,
votes that were in there too, And we're going to
decide who the two teams are there, and those two
teams played off for the national champion. That's how we
did it. Then then we expanded to the playoff. We
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had four teams playoff for right and now we're to
this point. And what's interesting about the more we expand
the playoff, it takes away then from the regular season.
It takes away from those non conference matchups because teams,
as was a talking point yesterday Indiana, go look at
there when you get a chance, their non conference schedule
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for the next five years, and look at what they've
done to try to make sure they have an unblemished
record in non conference play just to get to conference play.
And the shots that Kirk Sidnetty took up the SEC
it was great, But more teams are going to do
that unless you force him to play tougher non conference schedules.
And so what's happening, at least in my opinion in
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college football is ESPN has taken it to make it
more about the college Football Playoff, which they completely own.
Tn T will be a part of it only because
they leave. They they at least you know, a portion
of it back, but they completely own it. And so
the SEC is backed by the ESPN, the ACC is
backed by ESPN, the Big Twelve who's partially backed by ESPN.
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They're all pushing for that model because it really comes
down to what ESPN wants to do, and they want
to highlight the playoff as much as possible because they
have control over that. That's what this is really about.
It's about ESPN trying to manipulate, to me the game
of college football and change it from being what was
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a regular season sport. And we all kind of, you know,
love the matchups, love the robberies, love the history, and
now kind of make it not as consequential only to
the point of, well, you know, how are we getting
those teams to get in? But once we get in
the playoff, that's what really matters. That's what's happening in
to college football. One of the conference championship games are
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becoming somewhat meaningless, at least as it currently stands, until
we expand to sixteen and so forth.
Speaker 1 (16:40):
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Speaker 2 (17:57):
We do have some hopes that maybe things will turn
round for somebody in the NFL, and that somebody is
none other than Trey Hendrickson, the star pass rusher for
the Cincinnati Bengals. This from Diana Rossini, who wrote this
on social media yesterday on x quote just spoke to
Bengals pass rusher Trey Hendrickson, who is currently in Jacksonville.
(18:21):
For the last thirty days. He'd been at his home
in Cincinnati and training, but his training camp approached, he
and his wife decided to leave. They received two offers
and a twenty four hour span, none containing the guarantees
passed the first year he was looking for. Hendrickson didn't
want to hear the practice whistles while being a distraction
to his teammates, so he and his wife, Alyssa, decided
(18:43):
to pack up and head to Florida. Down in Jacksonville,
Hendrickson continues to train, hoping that a deal could be
worked out.
Speaker 4 (18:49):
Quote.
Speaker 2 (18:50):
I was more than willing to take less in some
ways in order to make this work. So that from
Diana Rossini on the subject of Trey Hendrickson, he has
not agreed to a deal with the Cincinnati Bengals. I
mean it just it discontinues on and I get this
funny feeling this thing's gonna end poorly. Either he's going
(19:11):
to get traded or he's just not going to get
a deal with the Bengals.
Speaker 4 (19:16):
That based on that report, does it feel like the
Bengals are almost betting against him being able to keep
this sort of productivity. And that's what it feels like.
If you're only able to give him one year of
guarantees in the deal, you're you're looking at his age
and you're saying he's either going to be subject to
injury or he's gonna have a dramatic decline in his
level of play. Now, I also say this too about
(19:38):
Al Golden and when we you and I have talked
about this before in regards to scheme and sometimes the
coordinators and how that can play a factor into how
they value players and some organizations and how those coaches
play a factor in how much they value you know,
a big contract extension like this, because if you've got
(19:58):
a more elaborate scheme, we're gonna be pressuring like Al
Golden does. And I assume what he did at Notre
Dame wi Vie is very similar to what he's going
to do in Cincinnati. I'm not saying that you don't
need talented players. You always need talented players. But when
you talk about a guy who's got what seventeen sacks
the past two years, you know you are at times
trying to isolate him and you can get away with
(20:19):
a four man rush because he's so productive, and I'm
sure every defense coordinator would love that luxury. But if
you're a guy who likes to bring pressure and likes to,
you know, do a variety of things, maybe that is necessary,
right because you're going to find a way of getting
free runners based on the protection, and you're going to
scheme up some things to get pressure. You don't need
to necessarily pay you a ton of money out for
(20:41):
it if that's the case. So I do wonder how
you know that new defensive scheme without Golden calling the
defense is factors in to some degree to to any
of this. But when I hear only one year of guarantees.
What it's saying to me is like they don't believe
that he's going to be able to maintain his production.
They don't believe he's gonna be able to maintain his
level of health, which is unfortunate. So hopefully they can
(21:04):
get to a point where they at least give him
two years of guarantees. You know, it used to be
quarterbacks were the only ones who got into the third year.
We're seeing some of the top players now other positions
get that, and we've obviously seen players like Deshaun Watson
get a fully guaranteed deal, but those are few and
far between. As we know, the owners have colluded to
make sure that doesn't happen again. This is what doesn't
(21:25):
make any sense about what the Bengals are doing. If
this is the approach and the report is true, he's
only getting one year of guarantees. I could understand if
there was a history of injuries, especially over the past
couple of years as he's gotten older. There hasn't he
started every game the past two years. He's gotten better
as the contract has gone on.
Speaker 2 (21:48):
From twenty twenty one to now, he's gotten better and
he's been healthy the previous two years. So if anybody's
got a gripe, or if anybody's got a a you know,
look at what I've done. There's no evidence to support
the fact that maybe I'm slipping as I'm getting a
little bit older. In fact, I've gotten better the previous
(22:09):
two seasons. It's Trey Hendrickson. And yet for some reason,
if that's the case, and the Bengals are like, yeah,
we're just not sure if you can keep this up.
What has given you any indication of that. He hasn't
missed games like he's produced. He's been one of your
only producers on the defensive side of the ball. Without him,
what is this defense? And then it goes to the
(22:31):
Shamar Stewart stuff where it's like, Okay, well, at least
we've got a backup plan. You don't even have that
like that. That's the part of this I don't understand.
And I know that you're paying somebody not for what
they've did, but for what they can do. But at
a certain point you do have to look at this
and go, what evidence do we have to support us
thinking that he can't last, or that he can't hold
(22:51):
up physically or whatever. It is at this at this
stage of his career when all the evidence would point
to no, he actually has, and in fact, he's gotten
better the previous two years. That's a part of this.
It doesn't make any sense to me.
Speaker 4 (23:03):
It's also odd too, because we've seen like older pass
rushers still be able to play extremely well late into
their career, and if you look at how the leagues
continue to evolve, it's not as if we're talking about,
you know, a guy who is going to be going
up against a lot of you know, I formations, base
personnel sets where you're gonna be playing against the run
more often than not. I mean, these guys are are there,
(23:24):
everyone's throwing more, everyone's playing in more spread formations, So
he's going to have the opportunity to be in there
on passing downs or even passing situations to impact the game.
So you know, not only do you do you like
to have Shamar Stewart in there as a young player,
but you'd like to have a veteran that at least
if it's you know, for a year, you know they
can you know, they can model this after And to
(23:45):
be quite honest, that's the other part of the equation
is they're only probably willing to do one year of
guarantees because they don't want to have to thrust Shamar Stewart,
as we talked to Pete Prisco about yesterday, into starting
and playing right away. He hasn't been there all off season.
They can't seem to figure out that contractual situation. So
even if they do get him in at some point,
(24:06):
you'd like him to be able to sit and watch
and then slowly work him in until he's playing a
more pivotal role, and then two years from now, you know,
let that be his opportunity to be the guy. And
at that point in time, you're going to look the
Trey Hendrickson saying, hey, there's no guarantees left on this deal.
That makes it much easier to trade. That makes us
much much easier to move on from you if we
need to, if there's an issue. You know, creates more
(24:28):
flexibility for the ownership. So you can understand too why
they only have one year of guarantees in it, and
and because of you know who's waiting in the wings,
And you can understand why Trey Hendrickson would be frustrated
by that because to a certain degree he knows that's
the writing on the wall, like he knows exactly the
move that they made. Even though you know Sam Hubber retired,
(24:48):
you know, they still are looking at it saying like
this is eventually going to end, and we've got your
replacement waiting to you know, sitting right behind you, waiting
to come in for that moment. We just haven't figured
out his contract.
Speaker 2 (25:00):
How could Joe Burrow factor into this? Could he put
pressure on the organization publicly? I know it's not you know,
maybe his job to do that, but if he's the guy,
if he's the face of the franchise, and you know
he is spoken about, yeah, listen, it's not ideal. You know,
we've got you know, he's made mention of it before
in the off season. But if they start asking him questions,
(25:21):
how could he put pressure on them to try and
get this deal done? Because he wanted to get the
t Higgins deal done, they got it done. He wanted
to get Jamar Chase done. They got it done. They
obviously got his deal done. Why not step on the
gas and put heat on the organization to get this done.
Speaker 4 (25:34):
Well, that'd be a better question for him, But of
course he could you know, put pressure on them by
publicly stating we need to get this done or publicly
advocating for Trey, and not that I mean that would
be a comment that if he said it out loud
or to the media, I would assume Mike Brown would
be walking down to his locker soon after that. I mean,
that's that's where this thing goes. So he's aware of
(25:58):
that he's been compensated handsomely. And you know, as much
as you want to help out your teammates, there's also
elements of like, well how much are you willing to
help out? And maybe that'd be a conversation Mike Brown
would wouldn't have with them, you know. But again that
hasn't happened yet, not saying it won't if we don't
get to that point, but because I'm sure they're going
to continue to keep asking Joe Burrow about this, and
(26:19):
again I keep going back to the track record. I
know Bengals fans probably hate hearing this and that sound
like it's a broken record, But Carson Palmer got frustrated
with this and it eventually drove him away from the franchise.
And you have to beg it begs to ask the question,
will Joe Burrow get frustrated with this if every single time,
you know, we look at this Bengals organization is are
(26:40):
they willing to step up? You know, we never got
our clip yesterday together. Of all the many things that
I told you, Pete Prisco would say in defense.
Speaker 2 (26:47):
Of the Bengals, by the way, your best performance in
the history of this show is.
Speaker 4 (26:50):
I don't know about that, but the prediction, I mean,
it's again he's he's It's very easy to tell with
Pete because he's got his buddies and he defends his
buddies and like anyone would, but he's also blinded to
the fact that they are cheap. I mean, I know
guys who played for that organization. Trust me, they are cheap,
all right. They will any play let's play with them,
(27:11):
and they play anywhere else. They'll tell you that. So
that being said, I do think Burro could help, but
it might come at the expense of maybe his relationship
with Mike Brown or the organization and how that would feel.
Speaker 2 (27:24):
Like I do wonder about that when you mentioned people
who have been there, because I think TJ. Hush Manzada
has talked about just how cheap they were when he
was a part of it. And then you hear the
Carson Palmer stuff. He basically just decided to retire, like
really good quarterback just decided I got to get the
hell out of here. I can't I can't be a
part of this anymore. And I do wonder all this
(27:45):
offseason is done, even though they paid t Higgins and
even though they paid Jamar Chase, Like if you're a
defensive player, like, are you even considering the Bengals in
free agency? Like based on all of this? Like if
you're a guy in the draft, are you are you
looking at the bank when their pick comes up and
you're playing on that side of the ball, thinking, oh, please,
please not this. Like all they've done is prove people
(28:09):
right about how frugal and cheap the organization is. And
Bengal fans can get pissy about it all they want.
Andy Furman just text me, By the way, all of
a sudden, he's a Bengals ball washer, a guy's been
ripping the organization for thirty five years, going all the
way back to Sam Weish, and now he's texting me, going,
but Trey's under contract. Apparently that doesn't mean anything. Dude,
he's outperformed his deal. Max Crosby went down with an
(28:34):
injury last year and got paid this offseason. Miles Garrett
got paid, TJ Watt got paid. He's made. Trey Henderson
is making half of what those guys have made, and
he had a better year than all of them last year.
Like I don't, there's no argument for the Bengals at
this point, And for some reason, you got people like
fanboys like Andy Furman, who's gonna sit there and cave
(28:56):
up for him. It's disgusting.
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Speaker 2 (29:19):
Yeah, well kind of Lee's not here, so we do
have some leftovers.
Speaker 5 (29:23):
And so, do you have any.
Speaker 2 (29:24):
Questions you want to ask Coop about his child acting career? Brady, So,
I've got.
Speaker 4 (29:29):
Yeah, I actually have a lot of questions. The first
being this though, Coop, So when you're a childhood actor,
I feel like you're not far removed from like a
like a pet that's on like a TV show or
a movie. Is that kind of similar to how you're
like directed and how your coached everything. When you're out there,
they're like are they like, oh good boy? Yeah, great child?
Like how exactly does that work?
Speaker 7 (29:48):
Yeah?
Speaker 5 (29:49):
I mean that can happen.
Speaker 8 (29:52):
There's but it depends on like who it's coming from,
because there's there's that vibe.
Speaker 5 (29:57):
And then there's also kind of a lot.
Speaker 8 (30:00):
Of times I experienced where you've got like the really
seasoned actor and it's just kind of like, you know,
we're we're doing to be a professional.
Speaker 4 (30:12):
You're like, yes, I mean how old were you when
you're acting?
Speaker 5 (30:15):
I started when I was like four, and I went
till I was like thirteen.
Speaker 2 (30:19):
And by the way, for people listening, you were the
star of Liar Liar and Dennis the Menace.
Speaker 5 (30:24):
Right strikes again?
Speaker 2 (30:26):
Okay, yeah, but yeah you were the Liar Liar?
Speaker 4 (30:30):
Yeah yeah? Do I mean again, in that particular case,
you're working with like a star like Jim Carrey. How
is he to work with?
Speaker 5 (30:37):
He was awesome?
Speaker 1 (30:38):
Uh.
Speaker 8 (30:39):
I think a big part of what you know, how
your experience as a child actor, you know, pans out
is how involved your parent is and how on top
of things they are. Because my mom was very much
she's oh, she's.
Speaker 4 (30:54):
Like a dance mom. She's like there all the time.
Speaker 5 (30:56):
And just always always there.
Speaker 8 (30:58):
And I feel like a lot of the times when
you have like the child actors that you know, go
awry and you know, get into drugs and flame out,
like like the the Amanda Bids types.
Speaker 9 (31:09):
And I don't know specifically her story, by the way,
you know, she crashed into my buddies, like right right
in front of my buddy's house and thousand Oaks like
that was right in front of his house.
Speaker 2 (31:21):
His dad actually came out and found her. Was she
having a car or a car?
Speaker 8 (31:25):
Well, you know, And I feel like a lot of
times when that sort of thing's happened, it's the parent
is kind of just like.
Speaker 5 (31:30):
Oh, yeah, you know, go ahead, you know, do do whatever,
just like you know, do whatever you want with my kid.
Speaker 8 (31:37):
But my mom was not like she she went up
to Jim Carrey at the start and was like you
you did not curse around my child.
Speaker 4 (31:44):
She was giving Jim Carrey a business.
Speaker 2 (31:45):
Yeah, this is great, this is great, all right, Coop,
which actor did you work with that you would not
be surprised if they were at a ditty party?
Speaker 8 (31:57):
Ah, I don't know that I want to answer this?
Speaker 1 (32:02):
Why not?
Speaker 2 (32:03):
I don't.
Speaker 5 (32:04):
I don't know that anybody that.
Speaker 2 (32:06):
I worked with would have been at a ditty part.
Who was the biggest weirdo?
Speaker 4 (32:10):
Yeah, he's gonna take this on a terrible Tangentop, don't
listen to what he's asking you these I actually want
to know something real. How do you rememberize lines?
Speaker 1 (32:22):
Like?
Speaker 4 (32:22):
Is there a method to that?
Speaker 8 (32:25):
I just always had a really good I don't. I
don't know if you can call it photographic memory.
Speaker 5 (32:31):
I guess.
Speaker 8 (32:33):
I would just have to kind of read through the
script once and I would kind of I would know it.
Speaker 2 (32:39):
I don't know.
Speaker 4 (32:40):
So there's no way that you could, like someone could
coach you or teach you and how to remember this stuff.
Speaker 5 (32:45):
I imagine you can. It's not something that that I
ever needed to do.
Speaker 8 (32:50):
In fact, it was kind of something that I remember
co stars getting annoyed with because like they would forget
their line and they'd be like line and then and
then I would say what their line was?
Speaker 2 (33:03):
I'm sure get beat up. I didn't know stuff locker.
Was it Marlon Brando who had an earpiece when he
was acting? Or he had Q cards. I've heard that
some actors will have Q cards that camera.
Speaker 5 (33:16):
Yeah, that happens sometimes.
Speaker 4 (33:17):
Yeah. Now Marlon Brando is how old?
Speaker 2 (33:21):
But I think this den Yeah, yeah he is.
Speaker 4 (33:24):
That's what I'm saying. You're bringing up somebod who's not
even alive. You know, the age gabber Di spirit between
Coop and Parland.
Speaker 2 (33:31):
Brando was an actor like Coop knows all these people.
Come on, you've got your sad cards.
Speaker 4 (33:36):
Yeah, I'm sure you've met Marlon Brando a number of times.
Speaker 5 (33:39):
That's that's one that I did not meet unfortunately.
Speaker 2 (33:41):
Okay, good stories, Yeah, listen, but we got something done
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