July 24, 2025 • 35 mins
Jonas & Brady talk about the massive amount of revenue the Packers brought in as part of the NFL's revenue sharing, Tua Tagovailoa's comments on Tyreek Hill as he tries to reintegrate with the team, Albert Breer on the biggest storylines of training camp, and more!
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
This is the best of two pros and a couple
of Joe with Lamar Airings rating win and Jonas Knox
on four Radio.
Speaker 2 (00:13):
By the way, how about the Green Bay Packers who
are just getting paid, just getting paid? This was a
story that came out that the Packers revealed their national
national revenue sharing from the previous fiscal year four hundred
and thirty two point six million dollars I mean. Mark
(00:35):
Murphy was quoted as saying, I'm amazed by the popularity
of the NFL et cetera, et cetera. When Murphy took
over the team, the NFL's revenue share was one hundred
and thirty eight million at the time, and that was
eighteen years ago. So in two decades we've seen it
jump three hundred million dollars I mean good food.
Speaker 3 (00:57):
That's only, by the way, sixty of the revenue for
the team. That's the national revenue, So that the local
and all the alls that they get the pocket for themselves,
that's the other forty percent. Jesus. Think about that for
a second, Jesus. And just in case you're wondering, because
you know, the whole WNBA subject we talked about earlier,
(01:18):
this week, and how that league can't even run a profit.
The Packers alone, who are not a big market, even
though they are a very storied franchise, and there's there's
a Packers fans all across the country. They run an
eighty three point seven million dollar operating profit that's up
almost twenty four million from last year.
Speaker 2 (01:38):
So and look it. I know, I know that we've
asked when's the bubble gonna burst? I just I don't
see it.
Speaker 3 (01:47):
I don't.
Speaker 2 (01:47):
I don't know when. I don't know when the league
just starts to slip and fall back.
Speaker 3 (01:52):
I don't. I don't know when that happened.
Speaker 2 (01:53):
Maybe I'm missing something and I'm too brainwashed by the NFL,
but I just don't see any at any sign of
them slow down anytime soon.
Speaker 3 (02:01):
You know, I'm with you. I don't think the bubble
will burst. I do think it's gonna get painful for
fans who are consumers and they're trying to figure out
ways of you know, buying all access to the NFL.
I mean, what's that gonna cost this year? Isn't like
over like a couple grand or something to be able
to have access to every single game? Because all the
different you know, either streaming service says you have to purchase,
(02:23):
or the NFL Sunday ticket like everything else, you have
to purchase people to get that. It's not cheap. And
I think that's where the bubble bursts because right now
it's your broadcast partners or line your TV who have
the rights. But you know your string partners want to
get involved, and they're willing to throw stupid money, I
mean stupid money just to be able to get in.
(02:44):
ESPN has already gone on a record and said they
want more of the NFL and they're gonna throw stupid
money at it. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (02:50):
So did you see the report yesterday there and talks
about buying the red zone and ether and basically getting
those NFL network games.
Speaker 3 (02:58):
They're gonna gonna do it for two billion or something
like that in a year. Is that what I saw?
Speaker 2 (03:02):
I didn't see the actual price attached to it, but go.
Speaker 3 (03:06):
Look that up. I think I think because I was
walking with someone who was reading an article said yeah,
it's gonna go for like two billion or something a year.
I mean a billion with a B. It's it's ridiculous.
And by the way, how does how does that network
be able to recoup the money either through subscription fees. Right,
so you are paying for their cable service or streaming
(03:27):
service that your monthly subscription, which will go up because
they have to figure out a way of passing that
on to the consumer, or it's going to be through
advertising dollars that will go up on you know, their
their cable slash. You know, ABC's broadcasting on your television partner,
so they have to you know, increase what it's going
to cost for advertising parts.
Speaker 2 (03:46):
Andrew Marshan says it's going to be approximately two billion
dollars for that to acquire about the maple those games
which I'm assuming are those European games, the games they
play overseas all that, and then so.
Speaker 3 (03:57):
The eurocuts get two billion a year. Me think about that.
Speaker 2 (03:59):
Yeah, you know by the time the gut cuts, you know,
like it's just the whole, the whole thing.
Speaker 3 (04:11):
On you there. Unbelievable.
Speaker 2 (04:12):
Yeah, I was not expecting that, like I was. I was,
I was expecting a ninety five. Instead you went a
little punch struck here, eighty two low and away.
Speaker 3 (04:21):
It's kind of long thirty hours.
Speaker 2 (04:24):
So uh but yeah, it's just it's like you say,
you've got Red Zone, you've got those games, and they're
willing to pay two billion for it, and I just like,
it's the place everybody wants to be, Like it's it's
where everybody is at. And I, you know, I go
back to like the Lloyd Howell stuff in the NFLPA,
and I just wonder how many how many players actually
(04:45):
care about it or they just look at it as like, dude,
can we just make more money? Like whatever's going to
bring us more money? You guys decide, and you guys
figure it out, like it's like whatever, Like if the
if it's all about TV, if it's all about these
contracts and getting this stuff done, whatever is going to
bring us more money, bring more money. And I'm curious
to see what the next layer of that is, Like
how do they figure out a.
Speaker 3 (05:05):
Way to bring revenue? And when it's you know, they've.
Speaker 2 (05:08):
Talked about streaming services, there's an extra opportunity for revenue,
an extra game the gambling partner, Like what's the next thing,
Because like the NFL is always looking ahead and Roger
Goodell will throw out like these little, you know, little
little things in the media to try and get the
conversation started about it. So eventually you're just going to
(05:30):
get to the eighteen games. When does that stop? I mean,
are they just going to get to twenty even and
then they go from there.
Speaker 3 (05:39):
Yeah, it's a great question, and you want to you
wonder if it's it's too much, if that's where they
hit their breaking point. I mean, you hear players say
they don't want eighteen. You know, they feel like seventeen's
a lot. So how does that factor in? And for
people at home, just you think the salaries are big now,
way till if it ever goes from eighteen to twenty
to twenty games a season, God, you don't think this
(06:00):
player is gonna push for even more. I mean you're
eventually going to see a quarterback probably make eighty million
a year. I mean, that's where this thing's headed. Yeah,
I mean now that I went fifty five sixty, so
it's not that far off. And then these contracts have
jumped in a major way.
Speaker 2 (06:18):
And it wasn't that long ago that Dak signed his
deal and it was like thirty something. Wasn't it like
thirty three forty? It was forty, But I mean that
was digress.
Speaker 3 (06:29):
I mean years ago the Packers are one of the smaller,
but I mean think about think about the Dallas Cowboys
and what they're probably bring me in annually. So it's
a great sign for fans. The leagues in a healthy spot. Uh,
this is evidence of that. It's interesting too, though, because
the owners, you know, if they were to opt out
of the TV Media Writes deal a little early, it
(06:52):
would be an essence because they want to bring in
some of those streaming partners and they feel like streaming
services and obviously the util is behind it. I mean,
you need to have a fast en f internet speed
to be able to implement some of that. If people
are cord cutting and then they're getting away from your
traditional cable television, you know, that's that's gonna help it
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jump in a big way. You know, if you get Amazon,
who's got more money than anyone in the planet, Apple
who's got a lot of cash on hand, all these
you know, Netflix, who again will probably just raise their
subscription fee that's typically how that works. Or you know
they've got their ad you know, their their offerings with
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ads as well, so that's going to be part of that.
But it's just it's crazy to think that, like this
this league. Even if you have a bad organization, they
seem to still fall off.
Speaker 2 (07:44):
It doesn't matter. It literally doesn't like nobody's losing. Like
it's a win for everybody. Oh, you were three and
fourteen this year, So what we made five hundred million dollars.
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Speaker 2 (09:10):
To a tug of Iloa and Tyreek Hill, apparently I
have some work to do on their relationship now. I
don't know if this guy's going to step in and
try and help either one of these guys out when
it comes to that, I wouldn't recommend it, although you know,
probably passable in certain parts of the country. But nonetheless,
to a tug of Ilois spoke a training camp yesterday
because Tyreek Hill removed himself from the season finale last
(09:34):
year for the Dolphins, decided I don't want to be
here anymore, then said afterwards some things publicly about not
wanting to be in Miami, so on and so forth.
It's been kind of a wild off season for Tyreek Hill,
who's tried to walk those comments back and apologize and
show everybody he's committed to the team. Tua spoke yesterday
about that relationship with Tyreek. Let's take a listen.
Speaker 6 (09:55):
When you say something like that, it's you don't just
come back from that with hey my bad. You know
you got you gotta work that relationship up. You got
to build everything up again. And it's still a work
in progress, not just for me but for everybody. But now,
like I said, he's working on himself. He's working on
the things that he say. You know, he says he
wants to get better with and do better on. So
(10:17):
that's the first step to me, and so I commend
him for doing that.
Speaker 3 (10:20):
All right.
Speaker 2 (10:21):
I don't want to be negative here. I don't want
to already set this in motion. I'll just say this
when I hear that a wide receiver in the NFL
who is complaining multiple times about his involvement or his
situation is a quote unquote change demand and actually does
want to be here and be a part of the team.
(10:43):
When I hear that, all I'm thinking is, all right,
so what week number are we looking at before he
has another meltdown? Yeah, Like this just feels like it's
going to go sideways in a hurry for Miami. And
that's why I said yesterday, I'm just not optimistic about
their chance this year.
Speaker 3 (11:00):
I'm not.
Speaker 2 (11:01):
Something feels off.
Speaker 3 (11:04):
Well, something feels off because they've tried to make some
or had to make some tough moves within the salary
cap to make things work. I think what's interesting about
salary Keill is you have to go back two years ago. Obviously,
last year more of a down year a bit, and
then there's some different factors that played into that. But
you know, two years ago, he caught for the most
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yards in the league, had the most touchdown receptions in
the league. He had one hundred and nineteen receptions the
previous two years. So if you've looked at how things
had worked out for him since his time in Kansas City,
he was getting more targets, more touches, more yards. I
just I don't know how he could be unhappy. I mean,
(11:48):
outside of the team's success, which he had to have
known leaving Kansas City and leaving Patrick Mahomes and Andy Reid,
he wasn't going to be able to have the same success.
I mean, you left the best quarterback in the league,
one of the greatest talents we've seen at the quarterback position,
and arguably one of the best head coaches we've seen.
(12:09):
And that's not taking anything away from Mike McDaniel. It's
just that's the reality of what Kansas City is right now,
and he found an issue with that. I look at
it as if you found an issue with Kansas City,
all right, and that's set a set up situation. All
the success you had, you're gonna find an issue with everything,
like this isn't This isn't a surprise. And you know,
(12:31):
he kind of lives a lifestyle where he's, you know,
kind of volatile guy, up and down. There's a lot
of things going on. So I just I think there's
certain guys who and there's certain people like this, by
the way, who will never be happy. They could have
the perfect situation, they could have what a lot of
people view as they've got it all, and they're never happy.
(12:51):
It's kind of human nature. Oftentimes we place that happiness
in something that's fleeting, and if you're basing it on
how many target you get, how many touches you get, yeah,
you're probably gonna be unhappy week in and week out.
Speaker 2 (13:06):
I mean, I also, it's like the stuff on Diggs thing,
because the same thing happened in Minnesota, the same thing
happened in Buffalo, and now he's in New England and
you're like, all right, well then he was in Houston
and then you're like, all right, well, when's this gonna
go sideways? And yeah, he suffered the injury last year.
I just and I don't know if it's just a
wide receiver thing. Maybe it is just a human the
(13:28):
part of you know, how human beings operate, that there's
some people that just can't be satisfied with what they got.
I just I hear those quotes from two and I'm like, yeah, listen,
he's got some work to do to gain the trust
back of everybody. And I wonder if he has one issue,
if two is just gonna be like f this And
I feel like this year, based on where they're at,
(13:50):
there's got to be some real pressure being felt there
by it because there was reports this offseason from some
of the veterans that Mike McDaniels I get like his
the way he coaches, his presence, all of that stuff,
that that guys are just kind of over it, they're
not really not really into all that, and that he's
(14:10):
kind of maybe not held players accountable. He's talked about it.
You know, I've not held players accountable, and so now
maybe he's going to take more of a hard ass
approach this year. I just look at it and I go,
I don't see it this year. I think New England's
going to be improved, as we talked about yesterday. Who
knows what The Jets probably not based on their history.
And then you've got Buffalo there, who has got the
(14:32):
reigning MVP and are trying to make a Super Bowl run.
It just feels like this could be Uh, this could
be a rough go for the Miami Dolphins and Tyreek Hillantua.
But at least Tyreek you know, did beat Noah Lyle's
brother in a in a hundred meter dash this offseason.
Speaker 3 (14:48):
Yeah, so there is that. I mean, I do wonder.
We talked about this yesterday with Mike Vrabel and the
New England patriots and just the optimism that you have
I have. I mean, I think a lot of people
have in what the PA could be now with him
there and Drake May and everything else. But it begged
the question we wondered how Titans fans are feeling. You know,
we were kind of looking, go, wait, why why do
(15:09):
we get rid of that guy?
Speaker 2 (15:10):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (15:11):
Was it just time to make a change for change
his sake? And there's often times that I do wonder
with owners if there's just a line that was crossed
that they can't move past. Because I look at Mike McDaniel.
I think he's a good coach, he's a great offensive mind,
and I do wonder if things go south this year,
(15:31):
if it's going to be more pointed at him, what
was gonna be pointed at Tua? Because he was able
to make tool what he is based on the system,
the offense, everything else. I'm not sure if Tua goes
other places, if it's going to work out quite the
same for him. You know, he's in that category. And
it comes to that lineage of Kyle Shanahan, Sean mcvayh
(15:52):
like those coaches where man, when you go there and
you get that opportunity in that shot. As a quarterback,
you're expecting the ball out and you should ball out.
There's too many layups when I go back and watch
film of these games where they're going to dial things
up for you. You just have to go out and execute.
If you do that easy work, that's not a job,
that's just that's playing football. That's just playing a game.
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And oftentimes you know there's different coordinators and offenses. I'm
watching it, going, all right, this guy, I mean, he's
not really complimenting plays off one another, not really building
and stacking concepts and plays together to keep the defense
on their on their heels. It's just he's out there
calling plays. It's gonna be tough for the offense and
(16:35):
be tough for that quarterback. A lot of guys have
follow in that category.
Speaker 1 (16:39):
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Speaker 2 (16:49):
And we are going to welcome in now a Thursday
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and Only Albert Breer, Amazon, NFL on Prime insider, senior
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can get him on x at Albert Breer, AB, good morning,
how are we feeling?
Speaker 7 (17:07):
Well?
Speaker 8 (17:07):
I wasn't expecting Creed, but here we are so well,
what was that supposed to mean?
Speaker 3 (17:13):
Well, I mean, you don't want to get higher?
Speaker 8 (17:16):
I immediately I immediately thought that was it that Thanksgiving
game where where he like flies in on the suspension.
I think it was in the old Texas Stadium.
Speaker 7 (17:24):
Right, yeah.
Speaker 3 (17:25):
Yeah. So here's the thing about that, because I always
feel that way too. But I go back and watch
the video. It's not him. It's just another guy who's
bald and shirtless. Who does it? Scott Stabs on stage
sing Yeah, it's just a stunt man who's like, it's
some random guy without a shirt on who shaved his head.
Speaker 7 (17:41):
Oh, I thought it was actually him.
Speaker 3 (17:42):
I know, I d I did too. Maybe he did
at some point. But like the one where the guy
comes down from the sheet, he literally looks like powder.
Remember Powder from that movie? Yeah, yeah, yeah, that's what
the guy looks like me too.
Speaker 2 (17:56):
Well, hey, Ab, we're happy to have you, and we've
got questions that we don't even know if you have
the answer to but we're gonna ask him anyways. Trey Hendrickson,
the hell's going on here?
Speaker 8 (18:08):
Man?
Speaker 2 (18:09):
It feels like things have continued to take a turn
towards we're not doing it. Mike Brown kind of air
and everybody out earlier in the week at his annual
lunch in there in Cincinnati. How's this thing going to
play out and get done?
Speaker 8 (18:24):
I mean, it's been really up and down over the
last week alone, you know. I'd say over the weekend
there were some people who thought they were making momentum
towards getting something done, and then Monday things took a
bad turn, and I you know, obviously he made his
point by driving back to Florida.
Speaker 7 (18:42):
I don't know if it would have been more efficient
for him to just fly, but yeah, I mean it's
it's just it remains to me.
Speaker 8 (18:53):
The most unpredictable of these situations. You know, I could
get done tomorrow. It could be a holdout the hand
that that that that that lasts in the September. It's
a guy who you know, obviously has been you know,
going through this the last three off seasons. He did
the one year band aid deal, two years ago. Last year,
you know, he tried to make a point and you know,
(19:16):
was told to stand down and wait, and now here
we are. And you know, I think one thing that
really complicates it, and this is a point that I
brought to you guys, but I don't think enough people
are drilling down on it, which is the Bengals history
with these contracts. You know, they had precedents and rules
like all these other teams do, and there's more strict
(19:36):
than a lot of other teams. And you know, I
think when you when you look back at the deal
he did two years ago with Burrow, that one broke
a lot of the rules. And then they did the
two receiver deals this year and those deals were seen
as kind of a package, but they were very different.
The Chase deal had the same sort of structure and
guarantees that the Borough deal did on a relative basis,
(19:59):
right like it it was, it broke a.
Speaker 7 (20:02):
Lot of the Bengals old rules.
Speaker 8 (20:03):
And then the Higgins deal looked a lot more like
a traditional Bengals contract. So you know, I think that
complicates this too, where it's like what bucket is Trey
Hendrickson in And I'm sure you know because he's had
to go through this three off seasons in a row
and has had thirty five sacks in the two seasons
in the interim. He believes that he's played his way
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into the sort of deal with guarantees like Jamar Chaser
Joe Burrow got. And I'm sure the Bengals look at
this and say, well, you're in your thirties now, so
we can't do that for a guy with that sort
of age and mileage on his.
Speaker 7 (20:36):
Body, and so you know, we're we view you more
in the Higgins buckets.
Speaker 8 (20:40):
So I don't know how they bridged that gap, but
you know, if I had to put my finger on
on one thing that's kind of creating the divide to be.
Speaker 3 (20:48):
Right there, it'd probably be easier for the Bengals at
least if they just got Shamar Stewart's still done. We'll
give a little more clarity right to the guy you
brought into replace Trey Hendrick said it essentially, but they
can't get that done. What do you see in the
forefront for getting that rookie deal done?
Speaker 8 (21:08):
Yeah, I mean that's like a that's another one that
comes down to precedent and rules and sometimes teams try
to change the language and their contracts, and they'll you know,
you got to start somewhere, right, so well.
Speaker 3 (21:22):
So on that point, though, let me ask this, Albert,
is anyone else doing what they did, because it feels
like from all the reports on what they're trying to
put in their contracts that like Schwarz Stuart's a guinea.
Speaker 7 (21:32):
Pig, Yeah he is.
Speaker 8 (21:35):
For Yeah, I say that's right, yeah, And and and
I think that that can create like a number of
problems for a player. Obviously, there's a you know, exposure,
you're you're you're creating for yourself and and look like
no one wants to default on guarantees or trigger those things,
you know. But there's also the element of like that's
(21:56):
going to set a tone and precedent.
Speaker 7 (21:57):
For other contract negotiations with other.
Speaker 8 (21:59):
Players, with veteran players, you know. And and and so
like the Bengals wanting to protect themselves in a certain
situations with that that that that default language on.
Speaker 7 (22:10):
The guarantees, you know, I think creates this.
Speaker 8 (22:14):
It just creates this situation for player, for for for
for a rookie where it's you got to look at
it and say, not only is this not only would
this be like not a good thing for me to accept.
It's also going to affect, you know, the way the
way the Bengals deal with other players. So yeah, it's
like a big picture thing for a rookie to deal with.
(22:35):
Now what I have set out the spring, if I
were him and you know, done it the way he did,
probably not. You know, I think it makes sense for
rookies to sign the waiver and and get their work,
and especially guy who I think came into the league
with a little bit of a reputation for being raw,
like Shamar Stewart did.
Speaker 7 (22:52):
You know, but but but he made his.
Speaker 8 (22:54):
Decision there and and you know, obviously now we're at
a different stage of all of this and uh, and
we'll see how go.
Speaker 2 (23:00):
But not to spend so much time on just the Bengals,
but you know, we've talked about this during the course
of the week, and you'll get Bengals fans to get
upset and defend the organization. And will you guys are
just haters or roll Well, Brady, you're a Cleveland guy,
et cetera, et cetera. What from people you talk to,
what is the reputation of the Bengals as an organization
(23:22):
when it comes to dealings.
Speaker 3 (23:24):
Like this around the league. And let me just add this,
add this caveat too. Pete Prisco is a staunch defender
of them, because Duke Toabin's nice to them that.
Speaker 8 (23:37):
You've got to be like, Pet's tan must be electric
right now.
Speaker 3 (23:43):
You're not wrong.
Speaker 7 (23:44):
It's the middle of the summer. It's gonna be it's
gotta be freaking electric right now.
Speaker 3 (23:48):
Yeah, it's a great base town.
Speaker 9 (23:50):
Yeah yeah, so, uh so I would I would say,
you know, regardless of what Pete might say, the reputations
and reputation, you know, I think there's always been that
reputation going back for years and years.
Speaker 8 (24:05):
And years that they're cheap, that they're kind of run
like a mom and pop shop, and in some ways
it's earned, you know, like they've had a very small
scouting department forever, and you know, those guys, to their credit,
have done a really great job, you know, like and
you know, I think, you know, on balance, over the
last twenty five years, they're definitely as far as like
you know, putting rosters together, the talent that's gone through there,
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they're definitely in the top half of the league in
that department, despite the fact that, again their personnel group
is so small relative to the rest of the league.
But that's the type of stuff is kind of, you know,
gone across the organization in a lot of different ways.
Like there was that whole thing with it took forever
for them to get a practice bubble, you know, and
that is in Ohio, you know what I mean, Like
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it's not in Florida. Like that's just being able to
like functionally practice in December and January. So it's just
little things like that that add up. And then it's
very easy to link that stuff to how they deal
with players, you know, and how they deal with the
player contracts, and so in some.
Speaker 7 (25:06):
Cases it's fair, in other cases it's not.
Speaker 8 (25:08):
I would say, you know, I think Joe Burrow has
been a kind of force multiplayer when it comes to
this and trying to change the perception of the organization
and put some pressure on the guys, put some pressure
on the guys that that that are that that are
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in charge there, you know, And and I think in
some cases it's worked, you know it really I would
say with with the receivers it worked, you know, and
even you know, in the skying department. They added three
guys to that to that department, which I think was
only I mean they only have like four or five
full timers until until then.
Speaker 7 (25:45):
You know. So it's worked in certain degrees.
Speaker 8 (25:47):
They've evolved in certain degrees, and the reputation.
Speaker 7 (25:49):
Is what it is. It's fair in some cases, maybe
a little unfair in others.
Speaker 3 (25:55):
Albert, As we fast forward into training camp, what are
you like most looking for to see or getting like
an answer to is there anything out there that you're like, like,
maybe I don't like the Jets, Like what are they
going to look like? What Justin Field's going to look like?
It could be the Stealers with Rogers, Like who are
you most looking forward to going and seeing and going
to see what they look like heading in the season.
Speaker 8 (26:15):
Yeah, one of them I saw yesterday, which is the Vikings,
Like I think they're so there's so much in this
window with that roster, you know, like that they can
compete for a championship. So you know, what does JJ
McCarthy look like as a trader man?
Speaker 7 (26:29):
Like that?
Speaker 8 (26:30):
I think is a fascinating story. And you know he's
he's up to about two twenty now, and I think
he's throwing it really.
Speaker 7 (26:40):
Well, they're encouraged or we'll see where it goes. The
Chiefs to me are one that, like I think a
lot of people are, the prisoners are the last thing
they saw.
Speaker 8 (26:48):
I think they've got a chance to be better than
they've been the last couple of years on offense, you know,
once they get through the Rosie Rights suspension and.
Speaker 1 (26:56):
All of that.
Speaker 8 (26:56):
Like, I think, I think that's got a chance to
be maybe the best off since they've.
Speaker 7 (27:00):
Had in a couple of years. And you know, we'll
see where they have.
Speaker 8 (27:04):
The age of Chris Jones and Travis Chalzy affects them
later in the year, you know. And then I think
the second year quarterbacks like and I mentioned JJ, but
also Michael.
Speaker 7 (27:14):
Pennex in Atlanta, Drake May and New England, Caleb Williams
in Chicago.
Speaker 8 (27:20):
You know, you get the feeling that's got a chance
to be a really special class. Based on how Jayden
played last year, I think bo Nicks hasn't even gotten
enough credit for how well he played. So you know,
like I I think that group, what the what the
what the second year quarterbacks look like.
Speaker 7 (27:39):
Going into twenty twenty five is really really interesting too.
Speaker 2 (27:43):
Have you heard Albert Brier joining us here on Fox
Sports Radio. Get him on x at Albert Breer. Have
you heard anything by on the way of our subject
of Michael Parsons Terry McLaurin. How close, how far apart
are those deals from getting done?
Speaker 7 (27:57):
Yeah? I don't. I don't think mclu laren and Parsons
are close. I would say I think mclaurin's situation.
Speaker 8 (28:05):
I think that could escalate fast, you know.
Speaker 4 (28:08):
So I.
Speaker 8 (28:10):
Don't know that as we stand right now that they're
like on the doorstep of getting something done, But I
think that could get done fast. I feel like the
Parsons deal just based on the Cowboys history, you know,
and what's happened in the last couple of summers. Like
I don't know, I mean like it feels like that
one's going to take a little bit longer.
Speaker 7 (28:30):
And I don't know that the.
Speaker 8 (28:32):
Public fighting is helping in any way either. So I
would say, like the McLaurin deal, I think the McLaurin
deal gets done, and I don't think that's going to
take all summer. I think the Parsons deal could take
all summer.
Speaker 3 (28:46):
I'm curious, Albert about Anthony Richardson. It feels like it's
it's kind of that last year where it's kind of
all in on him. However, they brought up Daniel Jones
in the offseason. Shane Stike and Chris Ballard, you kind
of have new ownership, right, stay within the family for
the RSA is but there's a different person now who
isn't directly tied to your your hirings necessarily since that
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was Jim Er saying, God rest the soul, but what
what's your thoughts of just how they go about managing
this given the circumstances that Shane Stiken's kind of under
I mean, is this like, hey, maybe Chris balin him
aren't attached at the hip here and Richardson has to
get the opportunity to go be the guy or is
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Shane stikeen like, look, if he's not the best quarterback,
I can't afford to lose games with an ownership group
that's look around saying we haven't you know, been competitive
within this division for a while. How's that play out?
Speaker 7 (29:41):
Yeah?
Speaker 8 (29:41):
Well, I think first of all, I think Anthony richards
In a sort of off scholarship, you know now, like
he he's going to have to go and and and
earn every snappy guts.
Speaker 7 (29:52):
I don't.
Speaker 8 (29:53):
I don't think they're going to give any advantage to
to to Richards And based on this draft status in camp,
based only his first two years life, and I if
I had to bet right now, I'd say Daniel Jones
wins that job. And I do think for Chris Baut
and Shane Stikeen it's go time now. I mean this
is year three for Shane Syke, and generally coaches don't
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make it through three years and into a fourth year
if they haven't made the playoffs. And Chris Dalen's been
there for a long time, and so you add the
ownership situation on to it. I think anytime there's any
sort of transfer of power, whether it's by a team
being sold or you know, obviously the unfortunate events of
this offseason, something like that happening in Indianapolis, everybody's radar
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is always going to be up because there's somebody different,
you know, that's got the finger on the trigger. And
so I'd say this is this is well passed the
point where the Colts can just take the season and
chalk any sort of failure up to the quarterback. Development
and see how it goes with Anthony Richardson just because
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they spent the fourth overall take on him two years ago.
I think they have to see what they can be
as a team now with the court that they built
with guys like Michael Pittman and Jonathan Taylor and the
Forrest Buckner.
Speaker 7 (31:10):
They have to win now, you know.
Speaker 8 (31:11):
And I think you see some of the moves they
made in the off season, you know that I that
I think that that I think would point you to
that with and they bring in some guys in the secondary,
guys that can bind them, and you know, we'll see
where it goes. But I don't think, you know, if
you're the Colts, you can say, yeah, like, let's just
throw Anthony Richardson out there and see how the first
six or seven or eight teams go.
Speaker 2 (31:33):
Albert Before I let you go, we were discussing earlier
just where does Ohio State football rank in the state
of Ohio when it comes to sports teams professional or not?
And yeah, yeah, we get, we did get I think
confirmation that they are number one by a mile. Can
you confirm nor deny that?
Speaker 7 (31:51):
Brady's better to answer to that?
Speaker 8 (31:52):
To me, I only spent four years there, he grew
up there.
Speaker 7 (31:57):
I would say, yeah, it's probably the one thing.
Speaker 8 (31:59):
Although, like I don't know, Brady, like I feel like
so I feel like all of Ohio except for Cincinnati.
Speaker 7 (32:06):
And I think since Cincinnati kind of has.
Speaker 8 (32:08):
This weird thing with Ohio State where I like, I
don't feel like it's as much Ohio State country as
like Cleveland or Tweedo or Akron or anything, you know
what I mean. Like Cincinnati feels like there's a strong
Notre Dame contingent there. I almost feel like there are
Michigan people there too.
Speaker 7 (32:26):
There.
Speaker 8 (32:28):
I just feel like Cincinnati is not as much Ohio
State country as the rest of the state.
Speaker 3 (32:32):
Yeah, you're probably not wrong. I think if there was one,
you know, one splot in Ohio that we might be
more divided, it may be Cincinnati. I mean, obviously you
have the University of Cincinnati. I mean, when they're good,
they pull a lot of people from that community who
are loyal to them. But I'd say this, I think
anyone who's a Cincinnati the University of Cincinnati fan is
Ohio State fan. Right, So I would generally say this,
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you go across the entire state there's not that conflict
that you have between Bengals and Browns fans or whoever
else is or you know, Reds and Guardians fans. You
don't have that. So I think you're right because I do.
You know, there's a fair amount of prochial schools down
there who you know are Notre Dame fans, but you
have that in Cleveland too, I guess. I just my
(33:16):
experience has been by it, like there's no confusion like
most people if even if they are a fan of
any of the other teams, like they're still in a
high state fan too, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 8 (33:26):
Yeah, And I think Columbus is so solid state and
its Columbus is because he grew up there. You know,
it's like kind of weird from a pro sports perspective,
like there are is that like a fair amount of
Steelers fans, I feel like in Columbus, you know, like.
Speaker 3 (33:38):
Yeah, and there's some there's some like Pittsburgh transplants and
PA transplants, which is part of that. But what's interesting
they are getting a UFL team.
Speaker 7 (33:46):
Hey, yeah, there you go.
Speaker 3 (33:48):
I'm not sure if you saw that, but yeah, I
mean the buck As have some competitions.
Speaker 7 (33:54):
Yeah. Yeah, we'll see how that goes for the UFL team.
Speaker 2 (33:57):
What's next on the training camp tour you mentioned, I've
been Bay right.
Speaker 8 (34:01):
Now, which I was just I just had Good Morning
America on the TV here and it looked like I
saw something about severe heat.
Speaker 7 (34:07):
Index morning or something like that.
Speaker 3 (34:08):
Oh, you'll be fine.
Speaker 7 (34:10):
Yeah, I don't know. I melt in the heat, Brady.
I'm not very good with it, like a house cat.
Speaker 3 (34:15):
I feel like you don't. You don't like the cold,
you don't like.
Speaker 7 (34:19):
I Actually I actually deal with the cold great. I
love it.
Speaker 3 (34:23):
Here's the thing is, every time I see you when
it's cold outside, you always have a cold.
Speaker 8 (34:28):
I know, But I deal with it fine, like I like,
I don't know, like you saw me, like you saw
me at the at that game, like I probably was wearing.
I was probably less bundled up.
Speaker 7 (34:37):
Than anybody there.
Speaker 3 (34:38):
Oh you mean a Hoils State Michigan. Yeah, I mean
I can for Ohio State fans, because we've been talking
a lot about them today.
Speaker 7 (34:44):
Uh.
Speaker 3 (34:44):
Albert Brewer maybe the most. I'm just saying. Every time
I've seen him in recent years at in Oust, Michigan lost.
So I'm not putting it all on you.
Speaker 7 (34:52):
Yeah, no, no, he made that. He made that very
clear to me. He made that very clear to me.
Speaker 3 (34:58):
Well, in your entire section you're sitting, I was like pointing.
I'm like, that's Albert Breer. He's the must people people
who are turning around looking at Albert and they're like, oh, Albert.
Speaker 2 (35:08):
Are you gonna make Are you gonna make it out
to Texas Ohio State.
Speaker 8 (35:11):
For I haven't decided yet. I think I'm going to,
but I haven't decided yet. What do you mean you
have it's gonna be It's gonna be a circus out there.
Speaker 3 (35:19):
Huh oh yeah, it's gonna be amazing. It's gonna be
everything you hoped for more.
Speaker 8 (35:24):
I'm actually gonna be in Columbus on Sunday night, so
I'm planning on trying to figure that out when I'm there,
when I'm between Tangles and Browns camps.
Speaker 3 (35:32):
So all right, all right, well that naturally makes sense logistically,
you know.
Speaker 2 (35:37):
Yeah, uh well, Albert, we appreciate it. Enjoy Packers Training Camp,
stay cool, stay hydrated, and we'll do it again next week.
Speaker 3 (35:45):
Thanks.
Speaker 8 (35:46):
Thank
This is the best of two pros and a couple
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Speaker 2 (00:13):
By the way, how about the Green Bay Packers who
are just getting paid, just getting paid? This was a
story that came out that the Packers revealed their national
national revenue sharing from the previous fiscal year four hundred
and thirty two point six million dollars I mean. Mark
(00:35):
Murphy was quoted as saying, I'm amazed by the popularity
of the NFL et cetera, et cetera. When Murphy took
over the team, the NFL's revenue share was one hundred
and thirty eight million at the time, and that was
eighteen years ago. So in two decades we've seen it
jump three hundred million dollars I mean good food.
Speaker 3 (00:57):
That's only, by the way, sixty of the revenue for
the team. That's the national revenue, So that the local
and all the alls that they get the pocket for themselves,
that's the other forty percent. Jesus. Think about that for
a second, Jesus. And just in case you're wondering, because
you know, the whole WNBA subject we talked about earlier,
(01:18):
this week, and how that league can't even run a profit.
The Packers alone, who are not a big market, even
though they are a very storied franchise, and there's there's
a Packers fans all across the country. They run an
eighty three point seven million dollar operating profit that's up
almost twenty four million from last year.
Speaker 2 (01:38):
So and look it. I know, I know that we've
asked when's the bubble gonna burst? I just I don't
see it.
Speaker 3 (01:47):
I don't.
Speaker 2 (01:47):
I don't know when. I don't know when the league
just starts to slip and fall back.
Speaker 3 (01:52):
I don't. I don't know when that happened.
Speaker 2 (01:53):
Maybe I'm missing something and I'm too brainwashed by the NFL,
but I just don't see any at any sign of
them slow down anytime soon.
Speaker 3 (02:01):
You know, I'm with you. I don't think the bubble
will burst. I do think it's gonna get painful for
fans who are consumers and they're trying to figure out
ways of you know, buying all access to the NFL.
I mean, what's that gonna cost this year? Isn't like
over like a couple grand or something to be able
to have access to every single game? Because all the
different you know, either streaming service says you have to purchase,
(02:23):
or the NFL Sunday ticket like everything else, you have
to purchase people to get that. It's not cheap. And
I think that's where the bubble bursts because right now
it's your broadcast partners or line your TV who have
the rights. But you know your string partners want to
get involved, and they're willing to throw stupid money, I
mean stupid money just to be able to get in.
(02:44):
ESPN has already gone on a record and said they
want more of the NFL and they're gonna throw stupid
money at it. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (02:50):
So did you see the report yesterday there and talks
about buying the red zone and ether and basically getting
those NFL network games.
Speaker 3 (02:58):
They're gonna gonna do it for two billion or something
like that in a year. Is that what I saw?
Speaker 2 (03:02):
I didn't see the actual price attached to it, but go.
Speaker 3 (03:06):
Look that up. I think I think because I was
walking with someone who was reading an article said yeah,
it's gonna go for like two billion or something a year.
I mean a billion with a B. It's it's ridiculous.
And by the way, how does how does that network
be able to recoup the money either through subscription fees. Right,
so you are paying for their cable service or streaming
(03:27):
service that your monthly subscription, which will go up because
they have to figure out a way of passing that
on to the consumer, or it's going to be through
advertising dollars that will go up on you know, their
their cable slash. You know, ABC's broadcasting on your television partner,
so they have to you know, increase what it's going
to cost for advertising parts.
Speaker 2 (03:46):
Andrew Marshan says it's going to be approximately two billion
dollars for that to acquire about the maple those games
which I'm assuming are those European games, the games they
play overseas all that, and then so.
Speaker 3 (03:57):
The eurocuts get two billion a year. Me think about that.
Speaker 2 (03:59):
Yeah, you know by the time the gut cuts, you know,
like it's just the whole, the whole thing.
Speaker 3 (04:11):
On you there. Unbelievable.
Speaker 2 (04:12):
Yeah, I was not expecting that, like I was. I was,
I was expecting a ninety five. Instead you went a
little punch struck here, eighty two low and away.
Speaker 3 (04:21):
It's kind of long thirty hours.
Speaker 2 (04:24):
So uh but yeah, it's just it's like you say,
you've got Red Zone, you've got those games, and they're
willing to pay two billion for it, and I just like,
it's the place everybody wants to be, Like it's it's
where everybody is at. And I, you know, I go
back to like the Lloyd Howell stuff in the NFLPA,
and I just wonder how many how many players actually
(04:45):
care about it or they just look at it as like, dude,
can we just make more money? Like whatever's going to
bring us more money? You guys decide, and you guys
figure it out, like it's like whatever, Like if the
if it's all about TV, if it's all about these
contracts and getting this stuff done, whatever is going to
bring us more money, bring more money. And I'm curious
to see what the next layer of that is, Like
how do they figure out a.
Speaker 3 (05:05):
Way to bring revenue? And when it's you know, they've.
Speaker 2 (05:08):
Talked about streaming services, there's an extra opportunity for revenue,
an extra game the gambling partner, Like what's the next thing,
Because like the NFL is always looking ahead and Roger
Goodell will throw out like these little, you know, little
little things in the media to try and get the
conversation started about it. So eventually you're just going to
(05:30):
get to the eighteen games. When does that stop? I mean,
are they just going to get to twenty even and
then they go from there.
Speaker 3 (05:39):
Yeah, it's a great question, and you want to you
wonder if it's it's too much, if that's where they
hit their breaking point. I mean, you hear players say
they don't want eighteen. You know, they feel like seventeen's
a lot. So how does that factor in? And for
people at home, just you think the salaries are big now,
way till if it ever goes from eighteen to twenty
to twenty games a season, God, you don't think this
(06:00):
player is gonna push for even more. I mean you're
eventually going to see a quarterback probably make eighty million
a year. I mean, that's where this thing's headed. Yeah,
I mean now that I went fifty five sixty, so
it's not that far off. And then these contracts have
jumped in a major way.
Speaker 2 (06:18):
And it wasn't that long ago that Dak signed his
deal and it was like thirty something. Wasn't it like
thirty three forty? It was forty, But I mean that
was digress.
Speaker 3 (06:29):
I mean years ago the Packers are one of the smaller,
but I mean think about think about the Dallas Cowboys
and what they're probably bring me in annually. So it's
a great sign for fans. The leagues in a healthy spot. Uh,
this is evidence of that. It's interesting too, though, because
the owners, you know, if they were to opt out
of the TV Media Writes deal a little early, it
(06:52):
would be an essence because they want to bring in
some of those streaming partners and they feel like streaming
services and obviously the util is behind it. I mean,
you need to have a fast en f internet speed
to be able to implement some of that. If people
are cord cutting and then they're getting away from your
traditional cable television, you know, that's that's gonna help it
(07:14):
jump in a big way. You know, if you get Amazon,
who's got more money than anyone in the planet, Apple
who's got a lot of cash on hand, all these
you know, Netflix, who again will probably just raise their
subscription fee that's typically how that works. Or you know
they've got their ad you know, their their offerings with
(07:35):
ads as well, so that's going to be part of that.
But it's just it's crazy to think that, like this
this league. Even if you have a bad organization, they
seem to still fall off.
Speaker 2 (07:44):
It doesn't matter. It literally doesn't like nobody's losing. Like
it's a win for everybody. Oh, you were three and
fourteen this year, So what we made five hundred million dollars.
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Speaker 2 (09:10):
To a tug of Iloa and Tyreek Hill, apparently I
have some work to do on their relationship now. I
don't know if this guy's going to step in and
try and help either one of these guys out when
it comes to that, I wouldn't recommend it, although you know,
probably passable in certain parts of the country. But nonetheless,
to a tug of Ilois spoke a training camp yesterday
because Tyreek Hill removed himself from the season finale last
(09:34):
year for the Dolphins, decided I don't want to be
here anymore, then said afterwards some things publicly about not
wanting to be in Miami, so on and so forth.
It's been kind of a wild off season for Tyreek Hill,
who's tried to walk those comments back and apologize and
show everybody he's committed to the team. Tua spoke yesterday
about that relationship with Tyreek. Let's take a listen.
Speaker 6 (09:55):
When you say something like that, it's you don't just
come back from that with hey my bad. You know
you got you gotta work that relationship up. You got
to build everything up again. And it's still a work
in progress, not just for me but for everybody. But now,
like I said, he's working on himself. He's working on
the things that he say. You know, he says he
wants to get better with and do better on. So
(10:17):
that's the first step to me, and so I commend
him for doing that.
Speaker 3 (10:20):
All right.
Speaker 2 (10:21):
I don't want to be negative here. I don't want
to already set this in motion. I'll just say this
when I hear that a wide receiver in the NFL
who is complaining multiple times about his involvement or his
situation is a quote unquote change demand and actually does
want to be here and be a part of the team.
(10:43):
When I hear that, all I'm thinking is, all right,
so what week number are we looking at before he
has another meltdown? Yeah, Like this just feels like it's
going to go sideways in a hurry for Miami. And
that's why I said yesterday, I'm just not optimistic about
their chance this year.
Speaker 3 (11:00):
I'm not.
Speaker 2 (11:01):
Something feels off.
Speaker 3 (11:04):
Well, something feels off because they've tried to make some
or had to make some tough moves within the salary
cap to make things work. I think what's interesting about
salary Keill is you have to go back two years ago. Obviously,
last year more of a down year a bit, and
then there's some different factors that played into that. But
you know, two years ago, he caught for the most
(11:26):
yards in the league, had the most touchdown receptions in
the league. He had one hundred and nineteen receptions the
previous two years. So if you've looked at how things
had worked out for him since his time in Kansas City,
he was getting more targets, more touches, more yards. I
just I don't know how he could be unhappy. I mean,
(11:48):
outside of the team's success, which he had to have
known leaving Kansas City and leaving Patrick Mahomes and Andy Reid,
he wasn't going to be able to have the same success.
I mean, you left the best quarterback in the league,
one of the greatest talents we've seen at the quarterback position,
and arguably one of the best head coaches we've seen.
(12:09):
And that's not taking anything away from Mike McDaniel. It's
just that's the reality of what Kansas City is right now,
and he found an issue with that. I look at
it as if you found an issue with Kansas City,
all right, and that's set a set up situation. All
the success you had, you're gonna find an issue with everything,
like this isn't This isn't a surprise. And you know,
(12:31):
he kind of lives a lifestyle where he's, you know,
kind of volatile guy, up and down. There's a lot
of things going on. So I just I think there's
certain guys who and there's certain people like this, by
the way, who will never be happy. They could have
the perfect situation, they could have what a lot of
people view as they've got it all, and they're never happy.
(12:51):
It's kind of human nature. Oftentimes we place that happiness
in something that's fleeting, and if you're basing it on
how many target you get, how many touches you get, yeah,
you're probably gonna be unhappy week in and week out.
Speaker 2 (13:06):
I mean, I also, it's like the stuff on Diggs thing,
because the same thing happened in Minnesota, the same thing
happened in Buffalo, and now he's in New England and
you're like, all right, well then he was in Houston
and then you're like, all right, well, when's this gonna
go sideways? And yeah, he suffered the injury last year.
I just and I don't know if it's just a
wide receiver thing. Maybe it is just a human the
(13:28):
part of you know, how human beings operate, that there's
some people that just can't be satisfied with what they got.
I just I hear those quotes from two and I'm like, yeah, listen,
he's got some work to do to gain the trust
back of everybody. And I wonder if he has one issue,
if two is just gonna be like f this And
I feel like this year, based on where they're at,
(13:50):
there's got to be some real pressure being felt there
by it because there was reports this offseason from some
of the veterans that Mike McDaniels I get like his
the way he coaches, his presence, all of that stuff,
that that guys are just kind of over it, they're
not really not really into all that, and that he's
(14:10):
kind of maybe not held players accountable. He's talked about it.
You know, I've not held players accountable, and so now
maybe he's going to take more of a hard ass
approach this year. I just look at it and I go,
I don't see it this year. I think New England's
going to be improved, as we talked about yesterday. Who
knows what The Jets probably not based on their history.
And then you've got Buffalo there, who has got the
(14:32):
reigning MVP and are trying to make a Super Bowl run.
It just feels like this could be Uh, this could
be a rough go for the Miami Dolphins and Tyreek Hillantua.
But at least Tyreek you know, did beat Noah Lyle's
brother in a in a hundred meter dash this offseason.
Speaker 3 (14:48):
Yeah, so there is that. I mean, I do wonder.
We talked about this yesterday with Mike Vrabel and the
New England patriots and just the optimism that you have
I have. I mean, I think a lot of people
have in what the PA could be now with him
there and Drake May and everything else. But it begged
the question we wondered how Titans fans are feeling. You know,
we were kind of looking, go, wait, why why do
(15:09):
we get rid of that guy?
Speaker 2 (15:10):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (15:11):
Was it just time to make a change for change
his sake? And there's often times that I do wonder
with owners if there's just a line that was crossed
that they can't move past. Because I look at Mike McDaniel.
I think he's a good coach, he's a great offensive mind,
and I do wonder if things go south this year,
(15:31):
if it's going to be more pointed at him, what
was gonna be pointed at Tua? Because he was able
to make tool what he is based on the system,
the offense, everything else. I'm not sure if Tua goes
other places, if it's going to work out quite the
same for him. You know, he's in that category. And
it comes to that lineage of Kyle Shanahan, Sean mcvayh
(15:52):
like those coaches where man, when you go there and
you get that opportunity in that shot. As a quarterback,
you're expecting the ball out and you should ball out.
There's too many layups when I go back and watch
film of these games where they're going to dial things
up for you. You just have to go out and execute.
If you do that easy work, that's not a job,
that's just that's playing football. That's just playing a game.
(16:15):
And oftentimes you know there's different coordinators and offenses. I'm
watching it, going, all right, this guy, I mean, he's
not really complimenting plays off one another, not really building
and stacking concepts and plays together to keep the defense
on their on their heels. It's just he's out there
calling plays. It's gonna be tough for the offense and
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be tough for that quarterback. A lot of guys have
follow in that category.
Speaker 1 (16:39):
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Speaker 2 (16:49):
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how are we feeling?
Speaker 7 (17:07):
Well?
Speaker 8 (17:07):
I wasn't expecting Creed, but here we are so well,
what was that supposed to mean?
Speaker 3 (17:13):
Well, I mean, you don't want to get higher?
Speaker 8 (17:16):
I immediately I immediately thought that was it that Thanksgiving
game where where he like flies in on the suspension.
I think it was in the old Texas Stadium.
Speaker 7 (17:24):
Right, yeah.
Speaker 3 (17:25):
Yeah. So here's the thing about that, because I always
feel that way too. But I go back and watch
the video. It's not him. It's just another guy who's
bald and shirtless. Who does it? Scott Stabs on stage
sing Yeah, it's just a stunt man who's like, it's
some random guy without a shirt on who shaved his head.
Speaker 7 (17:41):
Oh, I thought it was actually him.
Speaker 3 (17:42):
I know, I d I did too. Maybe he did
at some point. But like the one where the guy
comes down from the sheet, he literally looks like powder.
Remember Powder from that movie? Yeah, yeah, yeah, that's what
the guy looks like me too.
Speaker 2 (17:56):
Well, hey, Ab, we're happy to have you, and we've
got questions that we don't even know if you have
the answer to but we're gonna ask him anyways. Trey Hendrickson,
the hell's going on here?
Speaker 8 (18:08):
Man?
Speaker 2 (18:09):
It feels like things have continued to take a turn
towards we're not doing it. Mike Brown kind of air
and everybody out earlier in the week at his annual
lunch in there in Cincinnati. How's this thing going to
play out and get done?
Speaker 8 (18:24):
I mean, it's been really up and down over the
last week alone, you know. I'd say over the weekend
there were some people who thought they were making momentum
towards getting something done, and then Monday things took a
bad turn, and I you know, obviously he made his
point by driving back to Florida.
Speaker 7 (18:42):
I don't know if it would have been more efficient
for him to just fly, but yeah, I mean it's
it's just it remains to me.
Speaker 8 (18:53):
The most unpredictable of these situations. You know, I could
get done tomorrow. It could be a holdout the hand
that that that that that lasts in the September. It's
a guy who you know, obviously has been you know,
going through this the last three off seasons. He did
the one year band aid deal, two years ago. Last year,
you know, he tried to make a point and you know,
(19:16):
was told to stand down and wait, and now here
we are. And you know, I think one thing that
really complicates it, and this is a point that I
brought to you guys, but I don't think enough people
are drilling down on it, which is the Bengals history
with these contracts. You know, they had precedents and rules
like all these other teams do, and there's more strict
(19:36):
than a lot of other teams. And you know, I
think when you when you look back at the deal
he did two years ago with Burrow, that one broke
a lot of the rules. And then they did the
two receiver deals this year and those deals were seen
as kind of a package, but they were very different.
The Chase deal had the same sort of structure and
guarantees that the Borough deal did on a relative basis,
(19:59):
right like it it was, it broke a.
Speaker 7 (20:02):
Lot of the Bengals old rules.
Speaker 8 (20:03):
And then the Higgins deal looked a lot more like
a traditional Bengals contract. So you know, I think that
complicates this too, where it's like what bucket is Trey
Hendrickson in And I'm sure you know because he's had
to go through this three off seasons in a row
and has had thirty five sacks in the two seasons
in the interim. He believes that he's played his way
(20:24):
into the sort of deal with guarantees like Jamar Chaser
Joe Burrow got. And I'm sure the Bengals look at
this and say, well, you're in your thirties now, so
we can't do that for a guy with that sort
of age and mileage on his.
Speaker 7 (20:36):
Body, and so you know, we're we view you more
in the Higgins buckets.
Speaker 8 (20:40):
So I don't know how they bridged that gap, but
you know, if I had to put my finger on
on one thing that's kind of creating the divide to be.
Speaker 3 (20:48):
Right there, it'd probably be easier for the Bengals at
least if they just got Shamar Stewart's still done. We'll
give a little more clarity right to the guy you
brought into replace Trey Hendrick said it essentially, but they
can't get that done. What do you see in the
forefront for getting that rookie deal done?
Speaker 8 (21:08):
Yeah, I mean that's like a that's another one that
comes down to precedent and rules and sometimes teams try
to change the language and their contracts, and they'll you know,
you got to start somewhere, right, so well.
Speaker 3 (21:22):
So on that point, though, let me ask this, Albert,
is anyone else doing what they did, because it feels
like from all the reports on what they're trying to
put in their contracts that like Schwarz Stuart's a guinea.
Speaker 7 (21:32):
Pig, Yeah he is.
Speaker 8 (21:35):
For Yeah, I say that's right, yeah, And and and
I think that that can create like a number of
problems for a player. Obviously, there's a you know, exposure,
you're you're you're creating for yourself and and look like
no one wants to default on guarantees or trigger those things,
you know. But there's also the element of like that's
(21:56):
going to set a tone and precedent.
Speaker 7 (21:57):
For other contract negotiations with other.
Speaker 8 (21:59):
Players, with veteran players, you know. And and and so
like the Bengals wanting to protect themselves in a certain
situations with that that that that default language on.
Speaker 7 (22:10):
The guarantees, you know, I think creates this.
Speaker 8 (22:14):
It just creates this situation for player, for for for
for a rookie where it's you got to look at
it and say, not only is this not only would
this be like not a good thing for me to accept.
It's also going to affect, you know, the way the
way the Bengals deal with other players. So yeah, it's
like a big picture thing for a rookie to deal with.
(22:35):
Now what I have set out the spring, if I
were him and you know, done it the way he did,
probably not. You know, I think it makes sense for
rookies to sign the waiver and and get their work,
and especially guy who I think came into the league
with a little bit of a reputation for being raw,
like Shamar Stewart did.
Speaker 7 (22:52):
You know, but but but he made his.
Speaker 8 (22:54):
Decision there and and you know, obviously now we're at
a different stage of all of this and uh, and
we'll see how go.
Speaker 2 (23:00):
But not to spend so much time on just the Bengals,
but you know, we've talked about this during the course
of the week, and you'll get Bengals fans to get
upset and defend the organization. And will you guys are
just haters or roll Well, Brady, you're a Cleveland guy,
et cetera, et cetera. What from people you talk to,
what is the reputation of the Bengals as an organization
(23:22):
when it comes to dealings.
Speaker 3 (23:24):
Like this around the league. And let me just add this,
add this caveat too. Pete Prisco is a staunch defender
of them, because Duke Toabin's nice to them that.
Speaker 8 (23:37):
You've got to be like, Pet's tan must be electric
right now.
Speaker 3 (23:43):
You're not wrong.
Speaker 7 (23:44):
It's the middle of the summer. It's gonna be it's
gotta be freaking electric right now.
Speaker 3 (23:48):
Yeah, it's a great base town.
Speaker 9 (23:50):
Yeah yeah, so, uh so I would I would say,
you know, regardless of what Pete might say, the reputations
and reputation, you know, I think there's always been that
reputation going back for years and years.
Speaker 8 (24:05):
And years that they're cheap, that they're kind of run
like a mom and pop shop, and in some ways
it's earned, you know, like they've had a very small
scouting department forever, and you know, those guys, to their credit,
have done a really great job, you know, like and
you know, I think, you know, on balance, over the
last twenty five years, they're definitely as far as like
you know, putting rosters together, the talent that's gone through there,
(24:27):
they're definitely in the top half of the league in
that department, despite the fact that, again their personnel group
is so small relative to the rest of the league.
But that's the type of stuff is kind of, you know,
gone across the organization in a lot of different ways.
Like there was that whole thing with it took forever
for them to get a practice bubble, you know, and
that is in Ohio, you know what I mean, Like
(24:50):
it's not in Florida. Like that's just being able to
like functionally practice in December and January. So it's just
little things like that that add up. And then it's
very easy to link that stuff to how they deal
with players, you know, and how they deal with the
player contracts, and so in some.
Speaker 7 (25:06):
Cases it's fair, in other cases it's not.
Speaker 8 (25:08):
I would say, you know, I think Joe Burrow has
been a kind of force multiplayer when it comes to
this and trying to change the perception of the organization
and put some pressure on the guys, put some pressure
on the guys that that that are that that are
(25:28):
in charge there, you know, And and I think in
some cases it's worked, you know it really I would
say with with the receivers it worked, you know, and
even you know, in the skying department. They added three
guys to that to that department, which I think was
only I mean they only have like four or five
full timers until until then.
Speaker 7 (25:45):
You know. So it's worked in certain degrees.
Speaker 8 (25:47):
They've evolved in certain degrees, and the reputation.
Speaker 7 (25:49):
Is what it is. It's fair in some cases, maybe
a little unfair in others.
Speaker 3 (25:55):
Albert, As we fast forward into training camp, what are
you like most looking for to see or getting like
an answer to is there anything out there that you're like, like,
maybe I don't like the Jets, Like what are they
going to look like? What Justin Field's going to look like?
It could be the Stealers with Rogers, Like who are
you most looking forward to going and seeing and going
to see what they look like heading in the season.
Speaker 8 (26:15):
Yeah, one of them I saw yesterday, which is the Vikings,
Like I think they're so there's so much in this
window with that roster, you know, like that they can
compete for a championship. So you know, what does JJ
McCarthy look like as a trader man?
Speaker 7 (26:29):
Like that?
Speaker 8 (26:30):
I think is a fascinating story. And you know he's
he's up to about two twenty now, and I think
he's throwing it really.
Speaker 7 (26:40):
Well, they're encouraged or we'll see where it goes. The
Chiefs to me are one that, like I think a
lot of people are, the prisoners are the last thing
they saw.
Speaker 8 (26:48):
I think they've got a chance to be better than
they've been the last couple of years on offense, you know,
once they get through the Rosie Rights suspension and.
Speaker 1 (26:56):
All of that.
Speaker 8 (26:56):
Like, I think, I think that's got a chance to
be maybe the best off since they've.
Speaker 7 (27:00):
Had in a couple of years. And you know, we'll
see where they have.
Speaker 8 (27:04):
The age of Chris Jones and Travis Chalzy affects them
later in the year, you know. And then I think
the second year quarterbacks like and I mentioned JJ, but
also Michael.
Speaker 7 (27:14):
Pennex in Atlanta, Drake May and New England, Caleb Williams
in Chicago.
Speaker 8 (27:20):
You know, you get the feeling that's got a chance
to be a really special class. Based on how Jayden
played last year, I think bo Nicks hasn't even gotten
enough credit for how well he played. So you know,
like I I think that group, what the what the
what the second year quarterbacks look like.
Speaker 7 (27:39):
Going into twenty twenty five is really really interesting too.
Speaker 2 (27:43):
Have you heard Albert Brier joining us here on Fox
Sports Radio. Get him on x at Albert Breer. Have
you heard anything by on the way of our subject
of Michael Parsons Terry McLaurin. How close, how far apart
are those deals from getting done?
Speaker 7 (27:57):
Yeah? I don't. I don't think mclu laren and Parsons
are close. I would say I think mclaurin's situation.
Speaker 8 (28:05):
I think that could escalate fast, you know.
Speaker 4 (28:08):
So I.
Speaker 8 (28:10):
Don't know that as we stand right now that they're
like on the doorstep of getting something done, But I
think that could get done fast. I feel like the
Parsons deal just based on the Cowboys history, you know,
and what's happened in the last couple of summers. Like
I don't know, I mean like it feels like that
one's going to take a little bit longer.
Speaker 7 (28:30):
And I don't know that the.
Speaker 8 (28:32):
Public fighting is helping in any way either. So I
would say, like the McLaurin deal, I think the McLaurin
deal gets done, and I don't think that's going to
take all summer. I think the Parsons deal could take
all summer.
Speaker 3 (28:46):
I'm curious, Albert about Anthony Richardson. It feels like it's
it's kind of that last year where it's kind of
all in on him. However, they brought up Daniel Jones
in the offseason. Shane Stike and Chris Ballard, you kind
of have new ownership, right, stay within the family for
the RSA is but there's a different person now who
isn't directly tied to your your hirings necessarily since that
(29:07):
was Jim Er saying, God rest the soul, but what
what's your thoughts of just how they go about managing
this given the circumstances that Shane Stiken's kind of under
I mean, is this like, hey, maybe Chris balin him
aren't attached at the hip here and Richardson has to
get the opportunity to go be the guy or is
(29:28):
Shane stikeen like, look, if he's not the best quarterback,
I can't afford to lose games with an ownership group
that's look around saying we haven't you know, been competitive
within this division for a while. How's that play out?
Speaker 7 (29:41):
Yeah?
Speaker 8 (29:41):
Well, I think first of all, I think Anthony richards
In a sort of off scholarship, you know now, like
he he's going to have to go and and and
earn every snappy guts.
Speaker 7 (29:52):
I don't.
Speaker 8 (29:53):
I don't think they're going to give any advantage to
to to Richards And based on this draft status in camp,
based only his first two years life, and I if
I had to bet right now, I'd say Daniel Jones
wins that job. And I do think for Chris Baut
and Shane Stikeen it's go time now. I mean this
is year three for Shane Syke, and generally coaches don't
(30:13):
make it through three years and into a fourth year
if they haven't made the playoffs. And Chris Dalen's been
there for a long time, and so you add the
ownership situation on to it. I think anytime there's any
sort of transfer of power, whether it's by a team
being sold or you know, obviously the unfortunate events of
this offseason, something like that happening in Indianapolis, everybody's radar
(30:34):
is always going to be up because there's somebody different,
you know, that's got the finger on the trigger. And
so I'd say this is this is well passed the
point where the Colts can just take the season and
chalk any sort of failure up to the quarterback. Development
and see how it goes with Anthony Richardson just because
(30:56):
they spent the fourth overall take on him two years ago.
I think they have to see what they can be
as a team now with the court that they built
with guys like Michael Pittman and Jonathan Taylor and the
Forrest Buckner.
Speaker 7 (31:10):
They have to win now, you know.
Speaker 8 (31:11):
And I think you see some of the moves they
made in the off season, you know that I that
I think that that I think would point you to
that with and they bring in some guys in the secondary,
guys that can bind them, and you know, we'll see
where it goes. But I don't think, you know, if
you're the Colts, you can say, yeah, like, let's just
throw Anthony Richardson out there and see how the first
six or seven or eight teams go.
Speaker 2 (31:33):
Albert Before I let you go, we were discussing earlier
just where does Ohio State football rank in the state
of Ohio when it comes to sports teams professional or not?
And yeah, yeah, we get, we did get I think
confirmation that they are number one by a mile. Can
you confirm nor deny that?
Speaker 7 (31:51):
Brady's better to answer to that?
Speaker 8 (31:52):
To me, I only spent four years there, he grew
up there.
Speaker 7 (31:57):
I would say, yeah, it's probably the one thing.
Speaker 8 (31:59):
Although, like I don't know, Brady, like I feel like
so I feel like all of Ohio except for Cincinnati.
Speaker 7 (32:06):
And I think since Cincinnati kind of has.
Speaker 8 (32:08):
This weird thing with Ohio State where I like, I
don't feel like it's as much Ohio State country as
like Cleveland or Tweedo or Akron or anything, you know
what I mean. Like Cincinnati feels like there's a strong
Notre Dame contingent there. I almost feel like there are
Michigan people there too.
Speaker 7 (32:26):
There.
Speaker 8 (32:28):
I just feel like Cincinnati is not as much Ohio
State country as the rest of the state.
Speaker 3 (32:32):
Yeah, you're probably not wrong. I think if there was one,
you know, one splot in Ohio that we might be
more divided, it may be Cincinnati. I mean, obviously you
have the University of Cincinnati. I mean, when they're good,
they pull a lot of people from that community who
are loyal to them. But I'd say this, I think
anyone who's a Cincinnati the University of Cincinnati fan is
Ohio State fan. Right, So I would generally say this,
(32:55):
you go across the entire state there's not that conflict
that you have between Bengals and Browns fans or whoever
else is or you know, Reds and Guardians fans. You
don't have that. So I think you're right because I do.
You know, there's a fair amount of prochial schools down
there who you know are Notre Dame fans, but you
have that in Cleveland too, I guess. I just my
(33:16):
experience has been by it, like there's no confusion like
most people if even if they are a fan of
any of the other teams, like they're still in a
high state fan too, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 8 (33:26):
Yeah, And I think Columbus is so solid state and
its Columbus is because he grew up there. You know,
it's like kind of weird from a pro sports perspective,
like there are is that like a fair amount of
Steelers fans, I feel like in Columbus, you know, like.
Speaker 3 (33:38):
Yeah, and there's some there's some like Pittsburgh transplants and
PA transplants, which is part of that. But what's interesting
they are getting a UFL team.
Speaker 7 (33:46):
Hey, yeah, there you go.
Speaker 3 (33:48):
I'm not sure if you saw that, but yeah, I
mean the buck As have some competitions.
Speaker 7 (33:54):
Yeah. Yeah, we'll see how that goes for the UFL team.
Speaker 2 (33:57):
What's next on the training camp tour you mentioned, I've
been Bay right.
Speaker 8 (34:01):
Now, which I was just I just had Good Morning
America on the TV here and it looked like I
saw something about severe heat.
Speaker 7 (34:07):
Index morning or something like that.
Speaker 3 (34:08):
Oh, you'll be fine.
Speaker 7 (34:10):
Yeah, I don't know. I melt in the heat, Brady.
I'm not very good with it, like a house cat.
Speaker 3 (34:15):
I feel like you don't. You don't like the cold,
you don't like.
Speaker 7 (34:19):
I Actually I actually deal with the cold great. I
love it.
Speaker 3 (34:23):
Here's the thing is, every time I see you when
it's cold outside, you always have a cold.
Speaker 8 (34:28):
I know, But I deal with it fine, like I like,
I don't know, like you saw me, like you saw
me at the at that game, like I probably was wearing.
I was probably less bundled up.
Speaker 7 (34:37):
Than anybody there.
Speaker 3 (34:38):
Oh you mean a Hoils State Michigan. Yeah, I mean
I can for Ohio State fans, because we've been talking
a lot about them today.
Speaker 7 (34:44):
Uh.
Speaker 3 (34:44):
Albert Brewer maybe the most. I'm just saying. Every time
I've seen him in recent years at in Oust, Michigan lost.
So I'm not putting it all on you.
Speaker 7 (34:52):
Yeah, no, no, he made that. He made that very
clear to me. He made that very clear to me.
Speaker 3 (34:58):
Well, in your entire section you're sitting, I was like pointing.
I'm like, that's Albert Breer. He's the must people people
who are turning around looking at Albert and they're like, oh, Albert.
Speaker 2 (35:08):
Are you gonna make Are you gonna make it out
to Texas Ohio State.
Speaker 8 (35:11):
For I haven't decided yet. I think I'm going to,
but I haven't decided yet. What do you mean you
have it's gonna be It's gonna be a circus out there.
Speaker 3 (35:19):
Huh oh yeah, it's gonna be amazing. It's gonna be
everything you hoped for more.
Speaker 8 (35:24):
I'm actually gonna be in Columbus on Sunday night, so
I'm planning on trying to figure that out when I'm there,
when I'm between Tangles and Browns camps.
Speaker 3 (35:32):
So all right, all right, well that naturally makes sense logistically,
you know.
Speaker 2 (35:37):
Yeah, uh well, Albert, we appreciate it. Enjoy Packers Training Camp,
stay cool, stay hydrated, and we'll do it again next week.
Speaker 3 (35:45):
Thanks.
Speaker 8 (35:46):
Thank
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