August 6, 2025 • 56 mins
Wednesday on 2 Pros and a Cup of Joe, a 3rd and 4th dildo get launched at WNBA games. The NFL decides to ban smelling salts while the crew looks into using it as a performance enhancer for the show. Plus, 3-Time Super Bowl winner and current GM of UNC, Michael Lombardi joins the guys to talk about his new book, “Football Done Right: Setting the Record Straight on the Coaches, Players, and History of the NFL.”
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(01:16):
is important that we start out with the big news
and special news, and for that we do have a
correspondent with us here on Fox Sports Radio. No stone
unturned when it comes to the situation that took place
last night, very troubling, but it is time for our
(01:36):
special WNBA news report and bulletin, and over to the
news desk we go where Lee Robert de Lap is
with us to explain the situation.
Speaker 5 (01:54):
Mister Delap, guys an ongoing saga now in the WNBA.
We're in two separate incidents. On Tuesday night, what appears
to be another green dildo was thrown on the court at.
Speaker 6 (02:07):
Barn That was the color green that at first, that
is correct and green are in the same family, right, Yes,
that is true.
Speaker 7 (02:17):
And I saw that there were bets on this.
Speaker 5 (02:20):
I mean, obviously we talked about the different colors, but
somebody did lay down thirteeny to win twenty on just
the fact that there would be a dildo thrown before
the August Yes.
Speaker 4 (02:29):
Or were you doing last night throwing dil dos?
Speaker 7 (02:31):
I will keep my mouth shut on this. I will
be the fifth. I can neither confirm nor deny where
I was last night.
Speaker 2 (02:39):
I mean it happened in La, right, one of them.
Speaker 7 (02:41):
That was one of them.
Speaker 5 (02:43):
One was actually at the at the Barclay Center during
the Liberty Wings game contest, and another at the Crypto
dot Com arena. That is, in fact, you're in La
where the fever lost one hundred and ninety one to
the Sparks Sophie cunning Sophie Cunningham was in fact hit
by this dildo.
Speaker 4 (02:56):
Oh no, not so no, no.
Speaker 2 (02:59):
Not Sophie Sophie, not our Sophie.
Speaker 3 (03:03):
Hey man, So we got so we got four hair
chairs that have been thrown at w NBA games over
the past week.
Speaker 4 (03:10):
I mean that's something. Hey, you know what though, at
least they're with what.
Speaker 2 (03:15):
Else you got? What do you mean? You know what?
Speaker 4 (03:18):
I mean?
Speaker 2 (03:18):
What else?
Speaker 4 (03:18):
You don't? Unloaded?
Speaker 2 (03:22):
Get them all out?
Speaker 4 (03:23):
I don't have anything.
Speaker 2 (03:25):
Well, you can't drop it hair chair, the rest of them.
Speaker 4 (03:29):
What I'm just saying, I don't.
Speaker 3 (03:32):
I'm just trying to figure out stop whether I don't.
Speaker 4 (03:35):
I just not ready. I'm going to.
Speaker 5 (03:43):
Now just a note here the Liberty Wings game, according
to fans in the stands, there was another sex to
allegedly thrown at the game.
Speaker 4 (03:52):
But it did not reach the court to make the
court no ass arm boy.
Speaker 2 (03:57):
No, they need to work on their four. You're gonna
get nothing that spiral or it's gonna be end over
end that. There's only two ways to do.
Speaker 4 (04:04):
It's a gancer.
Speaker 2 (04:07):
Do you try to throw at helicopter. Sy, that's not
gonna work.
Speaker 6 (04:10):
I'm right now, just say a flattening there, It's like,
what is that?
Speaker 8 (04:20):
What?
Speaker 6 (04:20):
Man, that's gotta be in slow motion if you see
it going over your head or.
Speaker 4 (04:27):
That's gotta be the wildest.
Speaker 6 (04:29):
The spiral might be kind of a vibe too, bro like,
kind of look like the one that you know, the
javelin that Lamar threw and Revenge of the Nerds.
Speaker 4 (04:45):
That would be kind of crazy.
Speaker 6 (04:47):
I mean, just the way my body would feel if
I saw a dildough.
Speaker 4 (04:50):
In the air going over heading into the court.
Speaker 3 (04:55):
So I'm just wondering though, and I'm not saying this
to be funny or to try and make it a joke,
but how if your security.
Speaker 4 (05:08):
Like how are you checking? You know what I mean,
how are you checking?
Speaker 6 (05:13):
Because you could fit that thing up perfectly where it's
non detectable, yeah, you know, which would make it even
more disgusting, by the way, that would be way bore this, especially.
Speaker 2 (05:33):
If it was a guy.
Speaker 4 (05:36):
What's that supposed to mean? How dare you how?
Speaker 2 (05:42):
How are we just describing this this dildo crisis.
Speaker 4 (05:45):
The w NBA is in this?
Speaker 8 (05:48):
Uh?
Speaker 2 (05:49):
Is this a revolt? Is that what this is. It's
like they were, you know, pay us more whatever they're
sure was And this is the response to the w
NBA players wanting more money.
Speaker 3 (06:00):
Well, I think and this is just a theory, but
you guys know this that if you you know this
from being in locker rooms, no, now, you know this
being in locker rooms or growing up with siblings, that
the second, the second you show them that something bothers them,
you're going to go to that for the rest of
their life. Like you just know that. That's that's the
(06:22):
way this works. And I wonder if people see how
sensitive the w NBA is to some of the criticism
that they get and are like, oh, we're not gonna
take this serious. Let's just start sneaking in neon green
dildos and throw them onto.
Speaker 9 (06:37):
The court at at a rackety so don't take What
are they going to do about it? What message are
you trying to send by using a dildo as your
weapon of choice to throw onto the court, Like, what
message are you trying to send?
Speaker 2 (06:53):
I asked this the other day to you guys. I
think it's a sign of disrespect. I think it's a
sign of like, Okay, you want us to take you seriously,
pay you more here this or play with that?
Speaker 6 (07:05):
Yeah, I mean, because that's gotta be misogynistic. Who's ever
doing this? It's got to be a chauvinistic pig who's
doing this?
Speaker 2 (07:13):
Right, it couldn't be harder to find its way in
or maybe not, But.
Speaker 6 (07:18):
That's why I was That was that's what made me
laugh a little bit earlier, you know, because I mean
if it was yeah, anyway.
Speaker 4 (07:26):
Either way, I mean, both sides could get it in,
you know what.
Speaker 6 (07:33):
I think we're getting to the point. So no, it's
not me throwing them. Please, I have never thrown a
dildo in my life. I've never touched one. I've seen
one before.
Speaker 2 (07:48):
I was thinking, though, should the w NBA like lean
into this, you know, I mean, if you think about
the most recent news stories, they should really have like
all the fans wear wigs, you know, and then like
take them off and throw them on the court. You
know that'd be fine. Or you know, bring your dildo
to to the w n B a game night. You
know everyone's bringing their own. It's like, well, if everyone's
(08:11):
got one, you know, it's not like as big of
a deal, right, everybody, bubble head dolls. You just have
bubble dildos. No, no one's I mean you could lean
into it, right.
Speaker 3 (08:23):
Hey listen, I'm I'm all for in game promotions. This
is gonna be a real, real tough one to figure out.
Speaker 4 (08:29):
Though. It's gonna be a tough one to figure out. Yeah,
I mean, so, how how can you?
Speaker 6 (08:34):
How do you because there's there's that elephant in the
room by the way, you know that you know, someone
look like w.
Speaker 4 (08:47):
Go like you what were you going to say? Man? Good?
Well are you going to say.
Speaker 2 (08:51):
Contrary to Jonas's take that, or the guy didn't really
get arrested, the guy who threw it that got caught
I think first or set and he's raced the three
separate charges. Wow, So there is you know, penalizing these
guys in a serious way, or whoever's doing I shouldn't
say guys penalizing them in a serious way.
Speaker 4 (09:14):
I mean, I wonder do they practice like you?
Speaker 6 (09:17):
You gotta have some There has to be some science
to it because you don't want to get caught for
one or is it like you look around, you look
around and it's like fast, throw it fast and then
like get back in the character.
Speaker 2 (09:29):
Real think about how the life of a w NBA
security yard has changed drastically in the past two years.
Oh yeah, like for starters, knowing went to the games
so you really didn't have to worry about anything. And
then all of a sudden, Kaitlin Clark goes the league
and they start getting greater attendance and like, ah, shoot,
now I've actually got to like look out and maybe
(09:50):
stop a fight or something here or there. And next
thing you know, this whole dildo crisis starts happening. People
are launching these things from all different teas of the
arena from the top, those guys jobs just got exponentially harder.
Speaker 4 (10:08):
You imagine it dropping from the top of the arena.
Speaker 3 (10:11):
The person who couldn't make it onto the court, you
gotta feel like such a horse's ass. All that trouble
and you couldn't even get in and get it out.
And the first person that gets it to land upright
on the court should be given season tickets.
Speaker 4 (10:22):
I agree they should be a national hero.
Speaker 2 (10:25):
I was gonna say so much to try to throw
in the basket, that'd be sweet. Yeah, I get stuck
up in the net. Yeah, I have a theory. By
the way, on who this most the last one that
didn't make it to the court. I've actually profiled who
this kid is. Okay, this kid I say kid because
(10:48):
he's between the ages of fifteen and thirteen years old,
maybe sixteen and thirteen years old. And the reason why
I'm profiled this kid in this way is usually you
get kids at that age who are very impressionable, but
at the same time they're kind of followers, they're not leaders.
(11:09):
So this is someone who's seen it a few times.
He's going for clout, trying to be cool, and he
doesn't have the arm strength though to get it to
the actual court. Obviously, has no experience throwing dildos, clearly
by by way of it not making to the court hanging.
So in this you know, act of cloud chasing, he
(11:31):
tries to toss the thing, has no idea how to
toss it, and on top of that, maybe it's slicker
than he.
Speaker 4 (11:36):
Ever imagined before. So it ends up short.
Speaker 2 (11:41):
And meanwhile, all his friends, all the people who want
to put on social media are get excited about it.
Speaker 4 (11:50):
That's stand it.
Speaker 6 (11:53):
I mean, how do you hold the dialdo to throw it?
I'm sorry, man, like, are you grabb You've ever.
Speaker 2 (11:58):
Thrown a knife before. You can hold it by the button,
you can hold it by the That's what I'm saying.
Are you holding it back? Are you tip? Are you
if you go end over end? You really want to
hold by you know, the head? You know, I think
that's how you want to hold it because you want
the weight, the weight of the balls to be able
to get it to turn over.
Speaker 3 (12:19):
And it's like it's like flipping a water bottle. You
got to use the weight is still still remaining inside
the bottle to get the land.
Speaker 4 (12:31):
Does it make a noise when you try it?
Speaker 8 (12:33):
Like?
Speaker 4 (12:34):
Is it?
Speaker 1 (12:34):
Like?
Speaker 8 (12:37):
Oh?
Speaker 2 (12:37):
Yeah? I mean if you if you get enough revolutions
on that thing, it's gonna make a noise.
Speaker 4 (12:42):
Now.
Speaker 2 (12:42):
The other way is the spiral, which that one you
put on a grab closer to the balls. You can't
you can't grab it because but you've got Most people
make the mistake of grabbing in the middle. Don't have
a football and be like, oh, put my hand in
the middle. It's like, no, you gotta grab towards the end.
(13:04):
That's how you spin that thing.
Speaker 4 (13:05):
And then you put the finger on the tip, right,
do you do.
Speaker 2 (13:08):
The because that would that would you're not throwing from that.
I know what you're doing. Oh god, I'm actually a
proper technique for number five.
Speaker 4 (13:17):
Well, I'm trying to five.
Speaker 3 (13:19):
Comes around, because wasn't it was it Tom House who
came up with the you gotta make a C next
to your ear when you throw. Was it was it
you who said that you gotta do this when you throw,
you got to follow.
Speaker 2 (13:29):
Your Tom Martinez. That was like the old Tom.
Speaker 4 (13:32):
Martino is in my wedding.
Speaker 6 (13:33):
Then you gotta follow it through to the bottom of
your nose, follow through, throw it like with that, and
then follow through to your bottom of your nose.
Speaker 2 (13:43):
I don't know what the heck you're talking about.
Speaker 3 (13:46):
And these things are like fifty bucks.
Speaker 6 (13:48):
So's the four. Let's see the form again. Let's see
let's go for under the nose, under the under the nose.
Now you got to bring it under, you got you
gotta turn it, and you gotta finish what you're throwing
with the elbow to the endstide okay, and the pinky
finger under the note.
Speaker 4 (14:06):
I didn't know.
Speaker 3 (14:08):
And these things are and you looked him up the
other day. These things are like fifty bucks.
Speaker 4 (14:12):
Some of them are. Some of them are like thirteen dollars.
Speaker 6 (14:15):
Yeah, yeah, the range is like I guess it depends
on the functionality of it.
Speaker 4 (14:21):
I'd love to know what the increase in sales are.
Speaker 6 (14:24):
I was about to say, bro, I bet you Braziers
is out here like putting a spoof together as we speak.
As we speak one of them, what's the other ones called?
You know what they're called?
Speaker 4 (14:37):
I don't me. You live out here, bright, Come on,
you used to live amongst them?
Speaker 2 (14:45):
Hey? Look, man, what if a parent was involved? Like
the dad thinks it's so funny. He's even like, oh yeah, sudden,
let me help you here. Let's go on. I mean again,
a young kid's probably not going into a hustler.
Speaker 4 (15:01):
You can order those things super easily, though.
Speaker 2 (15:04):
Yes, you could.
Speaker 4 (15:05):
You have to be eighteen, though, don't you to order them?
I don't know. I don't think so. I don't believe
that that's well.
Speaker 2 (15:11):
Let's go to our resident expert, uh Lee, Lorena, is.
Speaker 4 (15:16):
There an age?
Speaker 7 (15:17):
Yeah, you do have to be eighteen, but I mean
it's the internet.
Speaker 4 (15:19):
You can just told you.
Speaker 10 (15:20):
That the last time I did online shopping for this
type of stuff. I believe it's kind of like when
you go to an online site, they say are you
eighteen or older? Because you can't they can't ask for
your ID, so they have to just ask, are you
eighteen year older?
Speaker 4 (15:35):
I can go test it right now.
Speaker 6 (15:36):
I'm testing it right now as we speak. What are
you look, here's an.
Speaker 4 (15:40):
Adult toy right here. I want to buy. I want
to buy it now. Why why pay the extra money?
Just get not ask me.
Speaker 2 (15:50):
For I don't think you want that in your algorithm.
Speaker 4 (15:53):
It's not asking. I mean, I'm just saying, and I'm.
Speaker 2 (15:55):
Just I know the next thing, next thing, you know
is be popping up everywhere, right.
Speaker 4 (16:00):
It's like Brady went through. Brady went through this, uh,
this phase where he was sending me these.
Speaker 3 (16:06):
Instagram clips of people coming up with crafty ways to
flip you off. And I looked at one and it
completely changed my algorithm. People doing handstands.
Speaker 6 (16:17):
You don't have to check being eighteen, by the way,
you don't know, you don't You don't have to be
of age to buy this toy.
Speaker 2 (16:25):
In particular, the same thing happened to me one time
I got sent a you know a thing in a
group chat, clicked on that next thing. You know, every
every you know Instagram video that pops up that the
woman's got big boobs.
Speaker 4 (16:37):
I who said that? Yeah, it's like wolves.
Speaker 2 (16:42):
I could plain it about it, you know, and for
some reason my page still just looks like that, like everywhere.
Speaker 4 (16:48):
You know.
Speaker 3 (16:48):
Oh well, I think, uh, I think this is, you know,
a job well done by our correspondent.
Speaker 4 (16:56):
Lead to laugh. Who really uh really dug deep?
Speaker 6 (17:06):
You know, like when you wanted don't warrior movies, like
like like a Gladiator when he threw the when he
threw the sword that hit the dude off the hoarse.
Speaker 11 (17:17):
Like that thing just catch you off guard. Come out
of nowhere. By the way, it's upside to hit. Somebody's
gonna get really creative. You're gonna see dildo nunchucks. You're
gonna see all sorts of stuff come out now. Dildo stars,
oh yeah, Chinese stars. Oh grow up, everybody have some respect.
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You got me the first time on that one? What Hicks?
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The NFL has decided to put its foot down. All right,
enough is enough? The National Football League has banned smelling
salts and the use of ammonia before war and during
all NFL games.
Speaker 4 (19:01):
Why is that? Did they give a reason? I'm not sure,
but George Kittle's not happy. He was pissed.
Speaker 6 (19:07):
There's a lot of dudes that that's that's your wake
up call. I know people do that before workout, Yeah,
like in between sets. Does they kill brain cells? Lee?
Speaker 2 (19:17):
Actually a pretty expert on that one't you.
Speaker 6 (19:21):
Uh.
Speaker 7 (19:21):
I haven't heard that it kills brain cells. I don't
know about.
Speaker 4 (19:24):
That, Lee.
Speaker 2 (19:25):
Do you do anything else that kills brain cells?
Speaker 7 (19:27):
I drink that definitely kills brain cells. Nothing else. I
don't think I do anything else that kills brain cells.
Speaker 3 (19:34):
Okay, I guess there was some report that came out
and last year from the FDA warning people of the
use of it. So the NFL decided, you.
Speaker 6 (19:42):
Know what, it can contain a chance ammonia gas can
irritate the nasal passages and the respiratory system. However, there
is no evidence that would say say that it causes
per permanent brain.
Speaker 3 (20:00):
Damage until they get a sponsor from one of them
and they're making some money, and then then they'll be
okay with it.
Speaker 4 (20:06):
Johnson hand smelling salts, Like, I.
Speaker 2 (20:10):
Wonder if this is one of those deals they ban
it because they feel like younger kids will start doing it,
and maybe that's what they're concerned with.
Speaker 6 (20:19):
It's been forever. I use smelling salts in high school.
Speaker 4 (20:22):
This isn't bad salts, right, No, not bad?
Speaker 2 (20:25):
You don't eat them.
Speaker 4 (20:26):
I've never heard of smelling salts.
Speaker 6 (20:27):
Smelling salts is like an ammonia cap and like a
like a little like a little smellg you crack it
open and then when you smell it like just burns
your whole face open, Like everything just opens up.
Speaker 4 (20:41):
It's like who they use.
Speaker 6 (20:45):
They're used for, like waking people up when they have
like concussions or been knocked unconscious.
Speaker 2 (20:49):
Stuff like we should all do it before show.
Speaker 4 (20:51):
I mean it'd be like hyped up.
Speaker 2 (20:54):
I know you will, Jonas, Yeah, I get you hyped.
Speaker 6 (20:56):
They used to sell something on the market that was
like you could sniff, like stick it up.
Speaker 4 (21:02):
Your nose and then sniff it.
Speaker 7 (21:04):
And then they still some times they use mental.
Speaker 6 (21:07):
Yeah yeah, yeah, like if you're like really like stuffed
up or something to that effect.
Speaker 3 (21:13):
See you go deep enough? What Lee Rain has got answers? Yeah, right, Yeah.
Speaker 5 (21:18):
There's this stuff called I don't know if I should
say it, but sniff it's it's legal in Europe.
Speaker 7 (21:22):
It's not legal here.
Speaker 2 (21:23):
I've heard that too around when people go skiing in
South Florida.
Speaker 4 (21:30):
You know what we should lay out here? Oh God,
take it away.
Speaker 2 (21:36):
He told me one time. He's never been know what smells.
Speaker 1 (21:39):
Like that.
Speaker 4 (21:41):
Tang.
Speaker 6 (21:43):
Yeah, I'm just curious as to why you would why
would you ban it?
Speaker 4 (21:48):
Why not?
Speaker 6 (21:48):
I mean, why not give some some context to why
you would ban it. That's a that's it's a it's
a part of people's ritual, like a lot of people's ritual,
like pregaming.
Speaker 2 (22:00):
I was just thinking that is going to order someone Amazon,
It's gonna show.
Speaker 3 (22:04):
Up, and so, yeah, there's nothing inside now. George Kittle
is one of those guys who depends on it. He
interrupted an interview on NFL Network yesterday to explain how
disappointed he was in the NFL about this.
Speaker 4 (22:21):
Here was I.
Speaker 13 (22:22):
Honestly just came up here to eric our team at
a memo today that smelling spots and ammonia packets were
made illegal in the NFL.
Speaker 7 (22:28):
And I've been distraught all day.
Speaker 4 (22:30):
Illegal.
Speaker 6 (22:31):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (22:31):
He even said he's not practicing anymore. I considered retirement.
Speaker 13 (22:35):
Yeah, you got to figure out middle ground here.
Speaker 4 (22:40):
Guys helped me out.
Speaker 13 (22:41):
Somebody come up with a good ideas.
Speaker 4 (22:44):
Yeah, that's all I had to get out there?
Speaker 8 (22:46):
Is it?
Speaker 4 (22:46):
Is it?
Speaker 7 (22:47):
Every before, every every drive I'm in, every.
Speaker 4 (22:52):
Every drive in between every place.
Speaker 13 (22:57):
Yeah, it feels like the energy is still out here though,
I like, definitely, but I miss those already.
Speaker 4 (23:02):
I just don't.
Speaker 3 (23:04):
But just now, now we've decided, you know what, it's
twenty twenty five, and you know this has got to stop. Okay,
there's not there's not other issues you could probably focus on.
Let's go ahead and get rid of smelling salts, all right.
Speaker 4 (23:15):
I just I don't.
Speaker 3 (23:16):
I don't know how they pick and choose what's going
to be a problem and what they're going to eliminate.
Just very very strange. I mean, what's what would do
more damage that?
Speaker 4 (23:26):
Or chew?
Speaker 3 (23:28):
Like smelling salts or chew? Because if it's two so
if somebody, if somebody was doing chew, not a zin
but the old school chew.
Speaker 6 (23:37):
Yeah, bro, like that band that's like causing cancer? Is
that band?
Speaker 4 (23:43):
I believe?
Speaker 2 (23:44):
So I don't think it is che I don't think
of this either. No, I just know no one does
want playing football.
Speaker 7 (23:52):
Remember the MLB like tried to bin Yeah.
Speaker 4 (23:54):
I thought mlbing tobacco. I thought that's what happened.
Speaker 3 (24:00):
No, I mean like cause you'll see you could see
a coach on the sideline who's got to chew it?
Speaker 4 (24:06):
So it's not not not in coaches.
Speaker 6 (24:10):
That's not true. You're not you're not You're not allowed
to snuff. That's not you're not allowed to snuff.
Speaker 4 (24:16):
Coaches don't. No, they're not allowed to snuff.
Speaker 2 (24:20):
I've seen coaches dip.
Speaker 6 (24:21):
Yeah, no, no, no, no. I think if they did,
they were breaking the rule. Like I'm pretty certain they're
just coaches subject to that. It's a no. It's like
a no tobacco like chew, like smoke. It's a no.
Speaker 2 (24:38):
You can't do any ship there.
Speaker 6 (24:41):
Yeah, I don't, I don't know. I'm I'm pretty certain.
I'm pretty certain that was made a rule. I'm pretty certain.
I'm gonna look it up.
Speaker 8 (24:52):
Lee.
Speaker 4 (24:52):
When's the last time you dipped?
Speaker 5 (24:55):
Well, I've done this z in fairly recently. Not a
big fan of dip or or z in, even though
I do, even though I got.
Speaker 4 (25:04):
My somebody's calling in, Hey, you know it just put
him on the air.
Speaker 7 (25:10):
There's probably a lot of people who have opinions on this. Yes,
I will screen this call and we will check holed up.
Speaker 3 (25:14):
How rude we're trying to do well, we're trying to
have a conversation about what's legal and not legal. And
then somebody's got the audacity to call in while Lee's
in his moment providing expertise on the subject.
Speaker 2 (25:27):
I can't get over how differently it sounds this morning
versus yesterday. And he tried to say, there's nothing different.
A little lot of sorts, Yes, he blames it, blames
the computers, little.
Speaker 4 (25:39):
Lot of sorts.
Speaker 2 (25:41):
Live. I got are we doing?
Speaker 4 (25:46):
Oh Lee, what are we looking at? Who is this?
Speaker 7 (25:50):
This is Kenny in South Carolina.
Speaker 5 (25:52):
It doesn't quite have a take on chewing tobacco, but
he does have an interesting Uh hey.
Speaker 4 (25:58):
I was just calling to let you guys know. The
reason why they've maned smelling is because it's uh, concussion symptoms.
That's what they said.
Speaker 2 (26:07):
Anyway, that makes sense. Yeah, I can see that.
Speaker 6 (26:10):
I mean, all right, thanks sir, Yeah, I appreciate, thank you.
Speaker 4 (26:15):
You guys. Buy now, how's your mask?
Speaker 2 (26:17):
I'm buying that. What do you mean, how's a mask
that wakes you up?
Speaker 4 (26:21):
Yeah? Okay, you can more alert, So you can do.
Speaker 6 (26:26):
That through a concussion if the smelling salts wake your
ass up.
Speaker 4 (26:31):
Basically, hell yeah.
Speaker 2 (26:32):
There's people who get concussed and they're like, all right now,
I'm good to go back in.
Speaker 4 (26:36):
There, you know, huh, well, you know they wouldn't that
be looked at as a remedy? Yeah?
Speaker 6 (26:41):
When'd you say, when, when in doubt use a smelling
saul with you to make you more alert with them.
Speaker 2 (26:48):
I'm with you not put them back in after a concussion, though.
Speaker 6 (26:52):
I mean, but if you can go from being concussed
to not seemingly being concussed, why wouldn't you that. That's
like if I'm in pain and you give me pain,
that I don't have any pain anymore?
Speaker 4 (27:06):
Right here?
Speaker 2 (27:06):
You know, and this is this is wright in jonas
Is Wheelhouse whoa so boxing match guy gets knocked out
cold his corner can't be waving a mont of tabs
underneath the okay gets up for the ten.
Speaker 3 (27:19):
Calendar there, and there's been some issues with that there.
There was a remember Aaron Pryor the bottle of course,
so the guy his training, God, I forget who his
trainer was.
Speaker 2 (27:31):
Oh man, I forget what Aaron Pryor was.
Speaker 4 (27:33):
Aaron was a great boxer out of Cincinnati, Like he
was really really.
Speaker 3 (27:37):
Good and well weight class I believe was he middleweight,
but he was really good and he in the corner
he was drinking like the trainer asked him. They said, uh,
give me a box. Because he was losing the fight.
Speaker 4 (27:54):
They're like, give me the bottle. And I think it
was against uh Aguayo. God was he? Who did he?
Speaker 3 (28:00):
Who's he in the fight with? But anyways, he was
in the corner. The trainer said, give me the bottle,
know the other one? And he drank out of the
bottle and came out and just annihilated this guy. And
the rumor was that there was something in the bottle.
Speaker 6 (28:16):
Some people thought mule and what was in the bottlely,
I think.
Speaker 4 (28:23):
It's Alexis aguay some rage did he look that up?
Speaker 3 (28:28):
Aaron Fryer they call him. I think it was Panama.
Lewis was the guy.
Speaker 4 (28:34):
Who was.
Speaker 2 (28:36):
Yeah, I love what goes to leave for research. That's
the only reason I do it. Now. I try to
follow Genis on this.
Speaker 4 (28:45):
He's a faster typer than me.
Speaker 6 (28:46):
Tobacco products and alcohol are restricted, like like firmly restricted
from NFL activities. It's a strict policy. I guess they
caught Mike Zimmer snuffing. They caught Baker Mayfield using a
zen and while they did not find them, it was
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made very clear to them that they are tobacco free zone.
Speaker 2 (29:12):
Do you tell many guys use Zin's in the NFL?
I mean, I've seen coach smokes cigarettes. What are we
talking about it?
Speaker 6 (29:20):
I've seen take it and put uh the biggest dip,
the biggest snuff and like bubble gum and you just
just chew it like it's like so they don't know
that it's that. It's like it's bubble gum. So I
don't I don't know how it all works, but it's
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it's band. It's a band substance for anybody that's not
done chew. What is a hog leg?
Speaker 2 (29:50):
What is the It's a big old dip up in there.
Don't be afraid to let a show, you.
Speaker 4 (29:57):
Know, like like the horseshoe Almo swear at the bottom.
I don't understand why somebody would want to do that.
Speaker 6 (30:03):
Why would you want to use it while you're in
a game, Like that thing really spaces you out, like
I used some Copenhagen.
Speaker 4 (30:10):
Before, Like I used to do it.
Speaker 6 (30:12):
I used to do it one time for a meeting,
every training cab, just every training cab I did with
one of my dudes, Like we sit there and we
spit together, right, and I would feel like yeah, yeah,
it made me feel really bad, like really spaced out,
but it kept you awake, like very I was very high.
Speaker 4 (30:35):
Is what I was. In my own estimation, I was
I was fried Lee.
Speaker 3 (30:40):
What do you have on Panama Lewis providing liquid cocaine
in the corner?
Speaker 5 (30:44):
Yeah, so Panama Lewis said at the time that he
had put peppermint liquor in there to settle a prior stomach. However,
many believed that it didn't contain stimulants. This was documented
in a documentary called Assault in the Ring. He was
later anctioned and and actually charged with assault for removing
padding from his gloves and the subsequent fight with Billy
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Collins Junior. And they also claimed that he would crush
asthma pills into the fighter's water together, stamina.
Speaker 4 (31:14):
That's what it asthma pills there, it is right there.
What a what a dirty tactic?
Speaker 2 (31:21):
Ito fighters.
Speaker 4 (31:29):
Down a horse?
Speaker 3 (31:31):
That's really what it is, all right. Well, so that's unfortunate.
So if you were hoping to see somebody do smelling
salts in an NFL game, not gonna happen. Apparently we
decided we are against that moving forward.
Speaker 4 (31:43):
That's crazy, but we can still do it on our
show though.
Speaker 6 (31:46):
Anybody wants to appreciate the call from South Carolina too,
By the way, I appreciate your insight.
Speaker 2 (31:51):
Yeah, just why do you order some from Amazon and
get him delivered to your place?
Speaker 4 (31:55):
You know, I don't like the label of being cheap.
Speaker 2 (31:58):
You are cheap?
Speaker 3 (32:00):
Well, I'll check the price at Amazon, and if I
don't like it, I'll go to Amazon Off and then
we'll go from there. Let me see smelling salts.
Speaker 4 (32:07):
What can we get for you? What would you guys
say like eight bucks? What depends on how are you
getting If you are going to get a pack?
Speaker 6 (32:15):
I would say it's probably like around twenty dollars or
something like that.
Speaker 2 (32:19):
Ten to twelve.
Speaker 6 (32:20):
You're a package, a pack up, Yeah, it can be
that expensive.
Speaker 4 (32:23):
One pack nineteen ninety nine.
Speaker 2 (32:24):
There you go, bad day, all right? How do they
come in one pack?
Speaker 8 (32:28):
Umm?
Speaker 6 (32:29):
I don't know, it's like twenty of them. Maybe I
think it's powder for him? Oh, it's powder?
Speaker 2 (32:36):
Yeah, hold on, how does that work?
Speaker 4 (32:38):
I don't know.
Speaker 3 (32:38):
It's got a little scoop with it and all that. Yeah,
I'm looking for pills. You just bring No, that's not pills.
Speaker 4 (32:45):
Oh they got travel size. You're looking at the wrong thing, all.
Speaker 3 (32:49):
Right, So one hundred pounds sticks sixty bucks, way out
of my price range.
Speaker 4 (32:53):
Not happening.
Speaker 2 (32:55):
Good to Amazon.
Speaker 7 (32:56):
I see something for seven bucks an eBay.
Speaker 2 (33:00):
You never even buy ammonia sticks on third day.
Speaker 4 (33:03):
The ones I'm talking about the ones that use on
by the way to sling. Somebody was slinging those on eBay.
Speaker 6 (33:09):
The ones that use on the sidelines are thirty nine
hold on first aid only, ammonia inhaling thirty nine dollars
and ninety eight cents one hundred to the box, bang
for you. But the ones those are the ones that
they use on the sidelines.
Speaker 4 (33:29):
I don't worry.
Speaker 2 (33:30):
They'll be back heavily.
Speaker 3 (33:32):
Uh.
Speaker 2 (33:33):
The old Shappy just would say expense to Shappy, we'll
try it.
Speaker 3 (33:39):
On the show, Scot Shapira opening up a box of
smelling salt that Lee had delivered.
Speaker 2 (33:45):
Even worse, he'd be like, are you guys doing smelling
salts before you guys go on air? Yeah?
Speaker 4 (33:49):
Actually walk Yeah, hate Lee. But the they don't do that.
They don't sell those at the liquor store, the.
Speaker 7 (33:56):
Liver store, but at the pharmacy, get right next door.
Speaker 4 (33:58):
You can. Oh you got?
Speaker 6 (34:00):
You empty out one of them little water bottles, the
little mini water bottle. You put like three, four, five,
six of them bad boys in there, and then you
have a smelling salt party.
Speaker 2 (34:13):
Why have you never thought of doing this before a show,
especially after a delivery Wednesday?
Speaker 7 (34:17):
That is a good call. You know, we can, we
can make changes.
Speaker 2 (34:21):
To improve career.
Speaker 6 (34:24):
Yes, yeah, sometimes I probably need it too, though, But
I'm drinking the Celsius right now, and I feel I'm
so jacked up.
Speaker 4 (34:33):
Right now, I feel like I want to go out and.
Speaker 6 (34:36):
Run like the stairs in between the breaks, like I
got energy.
Speaker 4 (34:41):
It's crazy.
Speaker 7 (34:42):
You got one of the ones with the vodka in it.
Speaker 6 (34:43):
Var No, it's not ready to drink. I didn't get
I said, I wish I would have got one. No,
but this is sparkling wild Berry. It's pretty good. It's
got me wide awake, like them smelling smelling salts and
sip sip on some smelling salt.
Speaker 4 (35:01):
Hell, yeah, that's what you're doing right now.
Speaker 1 (35:03):
Be sure to catch live editions of Two Pros and
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Speaker 3 (35:13):
We promised you a three time Super Bowl champion, and
he has arrived. We welcome in Michael Lombardi, longtime front
office man, longtime assistant in the NFL. You mentioned the
three Super Bowl championships. He's now the GM at North
Carolina and he's the author of Football Done Right, setting
the record straight on the coaches, players and history of
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the NFL. Mike, thanks so much for making us and
giving us a few minutes of your time here.
Speaker 4 (35:40):
On this morning, No problem. Thank you for having me.
Speaker 8 (35:43):
I appreciate it.
Speaker 3 (35:44):
So I just want to ask you first and foremost
when it comes to North Carolina.
Speaker 4 (35:49):
What was Why was this the right move for you?
Speaker 3 (35:52):
Because, look, you've had a successful run, You've got the
Super Bowl rings, you've been had success in the media.
But why was now the time for you to get
it back and involved in specifically North Carolina at.
Speaker 4 (36:04):
The college level.
Speaker 8 (36:06):
Well, obviously, Coach Belichick and I we did a podcast
together on a TV show last year at NFL Films,
and we spent a lot of time together talking about,
you know, all things that relate to the NFL, and
it always came back to the fact that in college
it's a pro job. I mean, let's face it, the
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kids deserve to get paid. They make a lot of
money for the universities. They put the school on the map.
They're going to have our salary cap. And the job
is very challenging if you're trying to manage the cap,
evaluate players, build a personnel department, and then also coach
the team. It really is a two person job. It's
a one voice job, but it's a two person job.
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And I think ultimately he and I both looked at it,
and there was a situation that came up and we
both looked at each other, that's a pro job. And
I think that just led us to North Carolina being
you know, we were here back in nineteen ninety two.
We were on campus, we were scouting, we were with
the Browns. He was the head coach. I was a
GM and we walked around the campus, we were working
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players out in the area, and we wonder, like, why
don't they win here? This is an incredibly magical place.
It's a great school. It's not a basketball school, it's
a great school. So I think ultimately that's what transpired.
Speaker 2 (37:21):
Michael I got to ask you this, though you know,
it seems like it is a pro job. There's no doubt.
It's definitely getting to where I think the NFL is now,
but it's not quite there. You know, there's not as
much structure around it. Does it feel a little bit
chaotic at times with so many moving parts and a
lot of things that are still evolving and changing. And
then the other part of that is how do you
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take your expertise in what you've acquired over your time
in the NFL and apply that to being a general
manager at the college level at its current state.
Speaker 4 (37:52):
Well, two things.
Speaker 8 (37:53):
Your first question to answer your first question is it's
really important that you that you understand that we don't
have a collective art and agreement, and so you can't
get upset with the way the rules change. You would
like more clarity on a lot of things, and I
think there should be some form of a collective argent agreement.
I don't think it's fair that a kid spends you know,
he signs an IL deal in December and then enters
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the spring portal and takes money from the university for
three months and then transfers you know, I think that's
kind of that's not ethical business. I really don't. I
think that's hard. I think it's not a lesson we
want to teach our kids. So you know, now, should
you have the right to transfer, Absolutely, but I think
there should be one transfer portal, but there should be
more of a unilateral and a collective way to where
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things where there's rules and we're not in the wild
wild West. To me my expertise, and I wrote about
this in my book Ridio Genius. My job here is
to build systems and processes because without systems and processes,
you can't win, whether you're in high school, college or pro.
And so what we have to do is we have
to identify who do we want to become. We want
to be a smart, tough, dependable football team at North Carolina.
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So I have to build processes and systems that acquire
players that fit the description that we're doing. That means
have a grading system, that means build a draft board,
that means recruit the players that fit our model, scout
inside out, and then evaluate the current roster to make
sure that a player gets paid the right amount and
being we don't overpay a player, he's more than willing
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to transfer and don't underpay a player because he's going
to transfer if you do that. So a lot of
moving pieces, but for the most part, it's about getting
the process in place, having a grading system. So we're
not arguing about who's a good player and who isn't
a good player. We're arguing about the description of the player.
You know, you see all these shows on TV they
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argue who's a good player. Well, let's take Michael Parsons, right,
Michael Parsons describe him and that description tells you what
he should make based on the current salary structure.
Speaker 4 (39:55):
Of the people in the league.
Speaker 8 (39:56):
So obviously he's as good as TJ. Watt. He's the
highest a player. So Jerry's job is to try to
find a way to get him a little bit above TJ.
And Makais option is to get a lot above TJ.
So their lives to dispute.
Speaker 4 (40:13):
So it's an interesting point.
Speaker 6 (40:15):
And for you being at the college level, ma Is LeVar,
by the way, great to hear your voice and great, great, absolutely,
I'm just curious and and the things that you're saying,
and in the current space that you're in, you write
the book, which I think it makes a ton of
sense football done right, because there is a lot of
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it done wrong and people may not realize that, but
but it is is this for you, the ability to
be able to do R and D like to to
figure out what works best and and and how does
that apply from you know, college students, because there still
has to be the student aspect, the go to school
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and get good grades to aspect of it for where
you guys are at. But how does that compare or
how does what you're preaching and putting in your book
apply to college and pro or does it apply to
both or just one in particular.
Speaker 8 (41:12):
Well, when you get paid right, LaVar, you become a professional.
And so our job here at North Carolina is to
teach these kids what it means to be a professional. Right.
Amateurs blame others, Professionals accept responsibility. Amateurs focus on the
short term. Professionals focus on the long term. Amateurs show
up the practice to have fun. Professionals realize what happens
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in practice happens in the game. So there's so much
difference between an amateur and a pro, and it's our
job to teach them that. Because if you're going to
take a check and you're going to be held accountable.
Just you know, we're not just hoping you go play
the slots at the casino and we'll comp you for room,
food and beverage and make money off your gambling habits.
That's not what we're doing here. We're running a business,
and you've accepted it as a business because you're taking
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a check. So our delivery is very much professional. We
call ourselves the thirty thirteen not because we want to
compete in the NFL, but because of the professional lessons
that we're going to teach them. What's the first thing
I tell every player that walks into my office, I
tell them, what are you going to do when you
sign your letter of intent to come to school here?
They said, well, I'm going to buy books?
Speaker 4 (42:15):
Know you're not.
Speaker 8 (42:15):
What am I going to do with the first thing here?
There's change your cell phone number. Because everybody's going to
want tickets, everybody's going to want gear, everybody's going to
want something from you. But you're a professional now, and
tickets cost money, and gear costs money, and you can
control who's in your life and who's not in your life.
And so for me, that's the lesson we're trying to
teach the kids here. You know about that when we
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were in New England. You know, at the first Rookie meeting,
we had Verizon at and T. We had you know,
all the T mobile We had them all waiting outside
there so the kids could understand, Hey, you're pro now,
and pros control who comes in their lives.
Speaker 4 (42:52):
Michael Lombardi with us here on Fox Sports Radio.
Speaker 3 (42:55):
Mike, before we let you go, you had a successful
run with the first book, Gridiron Genius. What motivated you
to write the next one, Football Done Right, which is
now on paperback here soon.
Speaker 8 (43:06):
Well, what motivated me was the injustices that happened in
the league, the inconsistency. George Allen went to one Super
Bowl and lost. He won seventy percent of his game
season In the Hall of Fame, I don't dispute that
Marty Schottenheimer won two hundred games in his career. He's
one of nine human beings on planet Earth that has
ever done that that's called themselves the head coach. He
can't get into the Hall of Fame. Well, they say, well,
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he never won a Super Bowl, either did Marv Levy
either did Bud Grant. The inconsistencies in the voting. I mean,
I wrote the book under the pretense, but why it
was Sterling Sharp not in the Hall of Fame. Two
years later he got in the Hall of Fame. But
there's so many players that are overlooked in that area.
And I think, to me, especially in the coaching venue.
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You know, it's a political it's a political event. It's
not based on merit. Why did it take so long
for Charles Haley to get into the Hall of Fame.
It's ridiculous, right, Charles Haley's one of the best players
in the national football it took him forever to get
in the Hall of Fame. Well, he wasn't popular with
the media. And I think you need to take that
out of it. You know, I think it's an injustice
that Clark Shaughnessy, the man who invented the forward pass.
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He invented the forward pass. When I used to get
on the team bus in San Francisco, Bill Walsh would
be doodling Clark Shaughnessy's plays. He's in the College Hall
of Fame, but he can't get the pro he invented
the pass. You know, there's just these kinds of things.
No one's paying attention to it, and the purpose of
the book was. You know, Larry David on his show
Curb Your Enthusiasm, he called the guy that sits in
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the middle of a dinner party table the middler, the
stir conversation. That's what I was trying to do with
this book, is stir a conversation.
Speaker 4 (44:40):
Michael Lombardi awesome.
Speaker 3 (44:42):
You can get him on x at m Lombardi UNCGM.
Congrats on the new gig, can't wait to watch. It's
going to be fascinating. Congrats on the second book and
let's do it again soon.
Speaker 8 (44:53):
Thank you so much.
Speaker 4 (44:54):
Guys.
Speaker 3 (44:54):
There he is, Michael Lombardi with us here on Fox
Sports Radio. The more we get closer to Belichick Lombardi
at North Carolina Must See TV, the more I'm fascinated
by it.
Speaker 4 (45:08):
It Must See. I want to wait to see how
this is going to work.
Speaker 2 (45:13):
Listening to by the way, I mean, everyone who surrounds
Bill Belichick, or I should say who he surrounds himself with,
is super sharp.
Speaker 4 (45:21):
I mean, that's the.
Speaker 2 (45:22):
One thing I would say, just from all the coaches
that I played for that were assistants under Bill Belichick
and coordinators and became head coaches. They're super sharp and
they all have they know football. And so if you
look at like all those coaches and you go, well,
why don't they have more success or why don't more
win Super Bowls? It's it's hard, man.
Speaker 4 (45:40):
You just listen to.
Speaker 2 (45:41):
Michael Lombardi tell you about a guy like Marty Schottenheimer
who won two hundred games, who was an incredibly successful
coach that didn't win a Super Bowl. But grant there's
others who have been legends of the game, and that
it doesn't always equates always working out that way because
there's a lot of factors that play a role. But
I love hearing about the history of it. I love,
you know, because I mean football it's all you know, copycat,
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you know, guys kind of rinse, repeat, you know, some
of the stuff that's been.
Speaker 4 (46:06):
Going on for a long time. I will say this,
new Rockney.
Speaker 2 (46:09):
May have an issue with his claim one who created
the forward pass?
Speaker 4 (46:13):
Oh yeah, I can do.
Speaker 2 (46:14):
I do think new Rockney at one point was credited
in creating the forward pass. So I'll have to help
to look that up.
Speaker 3 (46:21):
I mean, there's only one way to get to the
answer here, agreed or Lee, Lee, I'll take Lee over
Grok any day of the week, way more entertaining. All right, Lee,
who created the forward pass? All right, so we can
get to the bottom of this stuff.
Speaker 4 (46:34):
This is important.
Speaker 3 (46:36):
It is true though, there's so many variables and so
many things that need to happen right for you to
win a Super Bowl, And once you win that Super Bowl,
the way your career is viewed is completely different. And look,
it definitely is worth something. But man, I mean, like
Matt Ryan, Matt Ryan's probably there's probably a discussion being
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had for him being a Hall of Famer if they
could hold onto a lead, or you know, if they
chose to run the ball a couple more times, or
if one of those two point conversions right that the
Patriots converted on late in that game, they don't convert
on Matt Ryan. All of a sudden, we're talking about
him being a Hall of Famer with a Super Bowl
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ring and a win over Tom Brady just changes.
Speaker 4 (47:20):
The course of your entire career.
Speaker 2 (47:22):
Yeah, I mean, look, and those are nuanced conversations, right.
You know, he's playing with another Hall of Famer in
Julio Jones. But it's incredible to think how it is
media driven like, we're talking about that subject right now,
but if you ask other people who played with them,
you know, people like will come up to bat form
and say, no, he should be a Hall of Famer.
I mean Philip Rivers, another guy who didn't win a
(47:42):
Super Bowl, was incredibly successful and prolific of the course
of his career and a player that when you talk
to guys who are like, no, he should be a
Hall of Famer, there's people who feel that way. So look,
fans have their opinion, media has got their own opinion
on it. But the fact that it is the way
it is sometimes where guys have to wait, who shouldn't
That's what's frustrating.
Speaker 6 (48:03):
I don't know, man, I'm curious to see how it
all plays out and to see what we're talking about
legacies and how people are viewed and being went one
win or wins away from being viewed a certain type
of way. What will the aftermath of this experiment project
(48:23):
with you and c with Belichick, with Lombardi coming to
college with a sense of, as he said in himself,
teaching these young guys how to be professionals from day one?
Speaker 2 (48:37):
Did you like that? By the way, I actually loved
not just say because you like it kind of makes.
Speaker 6 (48:42):
Sense, and it makes sense in a lot of ways.
My biggest question is, with so many different backgrounds, so
many different motivations, how are you able to get those
lessons across with some seventeen, eighteen year old, nineteen year old,
(49:03):
you know, twenty year old, you know, young young dudes.
There are so many different things that their minds are
on and and it's just it it sounds good in theory. Well,
I think there's some common ground there. Would see if
you've ever coached and you've been around these kids on
an everyday basis, it is definitely very Uh, it's it's
(49:29):
a challenge.
Speaker 2 (49:30):
I'll say that there's some common ground.
Speaker 4 (49:32):
I heard the setup. Go ahead, finish it. No, I'm
just finish the.
Speaker 2 (49:37):
Setup what they're interested in at that age. You know
some young.
Speaker 6 (49:40):
Coach, same age and they go out on double dates.
I mean, you are a funny dude, because it did.
I heard you, but it didn't click in. I was
waiting for the punchline, and then I really thought about
what you said.
Speaker 2 (49:53):
And if you don't think you're not going to run
into Bill Belichick at the hot spot there in Chapel Hill.
All right, whatever restaurant that is on a date night,
You're a dead wrong. That's relatable. I mean they are relatable. Damn.
Speaker 3 (50:04):
I mean, don't you respect him more as a talent
evaluator based on this offseason?
Speaker 2 (50:09):
That's what I do.
Speaker 6 (50:10):
I bet you those kids are going to play harder.
I bet you they're gonna play harder for a coach
that they know Will Dade, a woman that looks like
that at that age, I bet you did play harder
because the respect factor is going to be different up
till he's playing in our pool.
Speaker 2 (50:30):
I feel like, in all seriousness, you did this.
Speaker 4 (50:36):
By the way you did this, you did that he
usually does all right, good.
Speaker 2 (50:43):
I do feel like this is going to work. I mean,
there's a there's a number of things that line up
for you and c to be successful. Outside of Clemsons
is gonna be really good this year. There's not really
another team that makes you go okay, like Miami could
be really good, which weird stat this is, this is
actually amazing. By the way, do you guys know Miami
(51:05):
in their first I want to say it's like six
or seven games. They play one away game before November.
Really the season starts for them with August thirty first,
that's Sunday Night versus Notre Dame. They will play in
the state of Florida all right the entire time until November,
so they're basically playing I think it's like six home
(51:26):
games and one away game. Maybe they play what at
Florida State or someone they play someone else on the road,
but in Florida, everywhere else is at home. It is
the most stacked schedule I have ever seen.
Speaker 4 (51:40):
Oh yeah, so Florida, Florida at Florida State.
Speaker 2 (51:43):
Jesus, it's everything's at everything's in Miami besides the Florida
State game. And then they finally go on the road.
Speaker 4 (51:51):
In November, and they're going to start off the year
oh and one, So they got to.
Speaker 2 (51:55):
Make up for that's right, how about them apples. But anyway,
Miami schedule sets up well for them, with the exception
of having to get drum by Notre Dame week one.
Clemson would be good. But outside of that, you're going
all right, Like Florida State's kind of down, so you
and seek it easily flip the script on a lot
of people and become that team no one's talking about.
And I think a lot of the things they're doing,
(52:17):
you know, bringing more of a pro style model. You
hear about some of the parents who want their son
to you know, play for Bill Belichick and have that
all that NFL experience. It's real. I mean, Michael, the
whole cell phone thing just kind of tickles me because
it's just it's one of those little quirks that you
you when you sit and think about it, you go,
that's a powerful message to tell to a young person
who's got money and now fame at a really young age,
(52:41):
is you now control who's in your life? And I
understand your point of like, hey, it's it's not that easy. Which,
by the way, it's I don't care if you're black, white, hispanic, whatever,
like what. Yeah, I'm just saying everyone deals with that,
like taking care of the family, take care of the boys,
taking care of whatever it is, you know, whatever you
want to describe it. Like, there's all elements of that
(53:02):
once you get money and once you make it. So
it's a powerful message to me because I think it
resonates with like anyone at that stage of life who's
eighteen years old, as all of a sudden, making hundreds
of thousands of dollars, maybe even depending on who they are,
a million or more and then being able to understand
how you get to deal with that. You know, that's
a tough thing to deal with an eighteen years old lee.
Speaker 4 (53:24):
Do we have an answer on who created the forward pass?
Speaker 5 (53:27):
Yeah, well, the University of North Carolina likes to say
that they invented the forward pass, which might you know,
some people might say is the case because they did
it in eighteen ninety five against the University of Georgia.
It wasn't legal until nineteen oh six, and so it
was credited to a coach of Saint Louis University, Eddie Coacherns,
the father of the forward pass. Bradbury Robins said, Bradbury
Robinson threw that first pass under those rules, it wasn't
(53:50):
incomplete and therefore resulted in a turnover. He did later
throw a twenty yard touchdown in that season. But yeah,
his coach, Eddie Coachurns, is considered the father.
Speaker 2 (53:58):
Of the forward pass. Okay, so I'm seeing John Heisman
is the renowned coach is most closely associated with the
development of it because he's the one who helped advocate
and really pushing it I legalized and then nineteen oh
six Rules Committee. That's what I was able to find.
Speaker 1 (54:18):
Lee.
Speaker 5 (54:20):
Uh yeah, sorry, uh yeah, well key radio you know,
well sh figure.
Speaker 4 (54:25):
You know they can't see you like look, yeah, say something.
Speaker 2 (54:32):
Lee, they can't see the hour glass slowly trying to
process late.
Speaker 4 (54:36):
Ailee respond a little bit quicker than that. But you
are the grock for people driving. I stand No.
Speaker 5 (54:41):
I agree that John Heisman, the namesake of the Heisman,
wrote thirty years later that he believes that the tar
heels gave birth to the forward Pass. Again, it wasn't
legal until nineteen oh six. I'm just telling you what.
Who you're telling us what crock you found on rock?
Speaker 7 (54:55):
No, I'm telling you what.
Speaker 5 (54:56):
Uh So, there's many historians who say that Eddie Coach
Turns was to the forward Pass with the Wright brothers
word of aviation and what Thomas Edison was to the
electric right to electric.
Speaker 2 (55:06):
Stuff again cross right chat GBT perplexity. What do you
usually Gemini?
Speaker 7 (55:13):
Oh use Wikipedia of course.
Speaker 2 (55:14):
Yeah. Well if you used Google, you used Gemini.
Speaker 4 (55:19):
More like more like lead to fact. He knows his stuff,
that's right.
Speaker 2 (55:25):
Oh my gosh, please hey, Lee, what was the email
I sent you last night, which you completely left out
for the Michael Lobardi interview. What his current title is
of all the things you just sent over to promote.
Speaker 5 (55:39):
Yeah, I forget what you said. I remember you called
me lead to drunk, but uh and then I basically
stopped stop reading what you had to write.
Speaker 2 (55:48):
Because I said he's the current general manager at North Carolina,
which you did not include the email.
Speaker 7 (55:52):
Yes, I did, current GM of U n C. It's
right there on the on the rundown.
Speaker 2 (55:56):
First thing on the rundown's not on the email.
Speaker 7 (55:59):
The email I sent you. It was about the book. Obviously,
we know we're going to talk about you and Lee.
What did he call?
Speaker 4 (56:04):
What did Brady call you?
Speaker 7 (56:06):
Lead a drunk? And then I stopped reading it?
Speaker 4 (56:09):
Really good, it's really good.
Speaker 2 (56:12):
Yeah, because it's so unbelievable.
Speaker 5 (56:14):
I mean, I think without saying that we were gonna
sending you information of things that you drunk.
Speaker 4 (56:20):
That's a T shirt.
Speaker 7 (56:23):
I gotta change that.
Speaker 4 (56:24):
On the zoom lead what so if he leads with
the drunk, you're out. Yeah, I'm fire. Okay, I knew
what I said.
Speaker 2 (56:33):
Don't get sensitive because I'm not all the time.
Speaker 4 (56:35):
It's fine.
Speaker 5 (56:36):
I'm not I'm not too sensitive about it. I'm just
saying I didn't I didn't know that he's the current GM.
Speaker 4 (56:41):
Of the U n C.
Speaker 2 (56:42):
It's Barney from The Simpsons. You're fine.
Speaker 8 (56:44):
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news desk we go where Lee Robert de Lap is
with us to explain the situation.
Speaker 5 (01:54):
Mister Delap, guys an ongoing saga now in the WNBA.
We're in two separate incidents. On Tuesday night, what appears
to be another green dildo was thrown on the court at.
Speaker 6 (02:07):
Barn That was the color green that at first, that
is correct and green are in the same family, right, Yes,
that is true.
Speaker 7 (02:17):
And I saw that there were bets on this.
Speaker 5 (02:20):
I mean, obviously we talked about the different colors, but
somebody did lay down thirteeny to win twenty on just
the fact that there would be a dildo thrown before
the August Yes.
Speaker 4 (02:29):
Or were you doing last night throwing dil dos?
Speaker 7 (02:31):
I will keep my mouth shut on this. I will
be the fifth. I can neither confirm nor deny where
I was last night.
Speaker 2 (02:39):
I mean it happened in La, right, one of them.
Speaker 7 (02:41):
That was one of them.
Speaker 5 (02:43):
One was actually at the at the Barclay Center during
the Liberty Wings game contest, and another at the Crypto
dot Com arena. That is, in fact, you're in La
where the fever lost one hundred and ninety one to
the Sparks Sophie cunning Sophie Cunningham was in fact hit
by this dildo.
Speaker 4 (02:56):
Oh no, not so no, no.
Speaker 2 (02:59):
Not Sophie Sophie, not our Sophie.
Speaker 3 (03:03):
Hey man, So we got so we got four hair
chairs that have been thrown at w NBA games over
the past week.
Speaker 4 (03:10):
I mean that's something. Hey, you know what though, at
least they're with what.
Speaker 2 (03:15):
Else you got? What do you mean? You know what?
Speaker 4 (03:18):
I mean?
Speaker 2 (03:18):
What else?
Speaker 4 (03:18):
You don't? Unloaded?
Speaker 2 (03:22):
Get them all out?
Speaker 4 (03:23):
I don't have anything.
Speaker 2 (03:25):
Well, you can't drop it hair chair, the rest of them.
Speaker 4 (03:29):
What I'm just saying, I don't.
Speaker 3 (03:32):
I'm just trying to figure out stop whether I don't.
Speaker 4 (03:35):
I just not ready. I'm going to.
Speaker 5 (03:43):
Now just a note here the Liberty Wings game, according
to fans in the stands, there was another sex to
allegedly thrown at the game.
Speaker 4 (03:52):
But it did not reach the court to make the
court no ass arm boy.
Speaker 2 (03:57):
No, they need to work on their four. You're gonna
get nothing that spiral or it's gonna be end over
end that. There's only two ways to do.
Speaker 4 (04:04):
It's a gancer.
Speaker 2 (04:07):
Do you try to throw at helicopter. Sy, that's not
gonna work.
Speaker 6 (04:10):
I'm right now, just say a flattening there, It's like,
what is that?
Speaker 8 (04:20):
What?
Speaker 6 (04:20):
Man, that's gotta be in slow motion if you see
it going over your head or.
Speaker 4 (04:27):
That's gotta be the wildest.
Speaker 6 (04:29):
The spiral might be kind of a vibe too, bro like,
kind of look like the one that you know, the
javelin that Lamar threw and Revenge of the Nerds.
Speaker 4 (04:45):
That would be kind of crazy.
Speaker 6 (04:47):
I mean, just the way my body would feel if
I saw a dildough.
Speaker 4 (04:50):
In the air going over heading into the court.
Speaker 3 (04:55):
So I'm just wondering though, and I'm not saying this
to be funny or to try and make it a joke,
but how if your security.
Speaker 4 (05:08):
Like how are you checking? You know what I mean,
how are you checking?
Speaker 6 (05:13):
Because you could fit that thing up perfectly where it's
non detectable, yeah, you know, which would make it even
more disgusting, by the way, that would be way bore this, especially.
Speaker 2 (05:33):
If it was a guy.
Speaker 4 (05:36):
What's that supposed to mean? How dare you how?
Speaker 2 (05:42):
How are we just describing this this dildo crisis.
Speaker 4 (05:45):
The w NBA is in this?
Speaker 8 (05:48):
Uh?
Speaker 2 (05:49):
Is this a revolt? Is that what this is. It's
like they were, you know, pay us more whatever they're
sure was And this is the response to the w
NBA players wanting more money.
Speaker 3 (06:00):
Well, I think and this is just a theory, but
you guys know this that if you you know this
from being in locker rooms, no, now, you know this
being in locker rooms or growing up with siblings, that
the second, the second you show them that something bothers them,
you're going to go to that for the rest of
their life. Like you just know that. That's that's the
(06:22):
way this works. And I wonder if people see how
sensitive the w NBA is to some of the criticism
that they get and are like, oh, we're not gonna
take this serious. Let's just start sneaking in neon green
dildos and throw them onto.
Speaker 9 (06:37):
The court at at a rackety so don't take What
are they going to do about it? What message are
you trying to send by using a dildo as your
weapon of choice to throw onto the court, Like, what
message are you trying to send?
Speaker 2 (06:53):
I asked this the other day to you guys. I
think it's a sign of disrespect. I think it's a
sign of like, Okay, you want us to take you seriously,
pay you more here this or play with that?
Speaker 6 (07:05):
Yeah, I mean, because that's gotta be misogynistic. Who's ever
doing this? It's got to be a chauvinistic pig who's
doing this?
Speaker 2 (07:13):
Right, it couldn't be harder to find its way in
or maybe not, But.
Speaker 6 (07:18):
That's why I was That was that's what made me
laugh a little bit earlier, you know, because I mean
if it was yeah, anyway.
Speaker 4 (07:26):
Either way, I mean, both sides could get it in,
you know what.
Speaker 6 (07:33):
I think we're getting to the point. So no, it's
not me throwing them. Please, I have never thrown a
dildo in my life. I've never touched one. I've seen
one before.
Speaker 2 (07:48):
I was thinking, though, should the w NBA like lean
into this, you know, I mean, if you think about
the most recent news stories, they should really have like
all the fans wear wigs, you know, and then like
take them off and throw them on the court. You
know that'd be fine. Or you know, bring your dildo
to to the w n B a game night. You
know everyone's bringing their own. It's like, well, if everyone's
(08:11):
got one, you know, it's not like as big of
a deal, right, everybody, bubble head dolls. You just have
bubble dildos. No, no one's I mean you could lean
into it, right.
Speaker 3 (08:23):
Hey listen, I'm I'm all for in game promotions. This
is gonna be a real, real tough one to figure out.
Speaker 4 (08:29):
Though. It's gonna be a tough one to figure out. Yeah,
I mean, so, how how can you?
Speaker 6 (08:34):
How do you because there's there's that elephant in the
room by the way, you know that you know, someone
look like w.
Speaker 4 (08:47):
Go like you what were you going to say? Man? Good?
Well are you going to say.
Speaker 2 (08:51):
Contrary to Jonas's take that, or the guy didn't really
get arrested, the guy who threw it that got caught
I think first or set and he's raced the three
separate charges. Wow, So there is you know, penalizing these
guys in a serious way, or whoever's doing I shouldn't
say guys penalizing them in a serious way.
Speaker 4 (09:14):
I mean, I wonder do they practice like you?
Speaker 6 (09:17):
You gotta have some There has to be some science
to it because you don't want to get caught for
one or is it like you look around, you look
around and it's like fast, throw it fast and then
like get back in the character.
Speaker 2 (09:29):
Real think about how the life of a w NBA
security yard has changed drastically in the past two years.
Oh yeah, like for starters, knowing went to the games
so you really didn't have to worry about anything. And
then all of a sudden, Kaitlin Clark goes the league
and they start getting greater attendance and like, ah, shoot,
now I've actually got to like look out and maybe
(09:50):
stop a fight or something here or there. And next
thing you know, this whole dildo crisis starts happening. People
are launching these things from all different teas of the
arena from the top, those guys jobs just got exponentially harder.
Speaker 4 (10:08):
You imagine it dropping from the top of the arena.
Speaker 3 (10:11):
The person who couldn't make it onto the court, you
gotta feel like such a horse's ass. All that trouble
and you couldn't even get in and get it out.
And the first person that gets it to land upright
on the court should be given season tickets.
Speaker 4 (10:22):
I agree they should be a national hero.
Speaker 2 (10:25):
I was gonna say so much to try to throw
in the basket, that'd be sweet. Yeah, I get stuck
up in the net. Yeah, I have a theory. By
the way, on who this most the last one that
didn't make it to the court. I've actually profiled who
this kid is. Okay, this kid I say kid because
(10:48):
he's between the ages of fifteen and thirteen years old,
maybe sixteen and thirteen years old. And the reason why
I'm profiled this kid in this way is usually you
get kids at that age who are very impressionable, but
at the same time they're kind of followers, they're not leaders.
(11:09):
So this is someone who's seen it a few times.
He's going for clout, trying to be cool, and he
doesn't have the arm strength though to get it to
the actual court. Obviously, has no experience throwing dildos, clearly
by by way of it not making to the court hanging.
So in this you know, act of cloud chasing, he
(11:31):
tries to toss the thing, has no idea how to
toss it, and on top of that, maybe it's slicker
than he.
Speaker 4 (11:36):
Ever imagined before. So it ends up short.
Speaker 2 (11:41):
And meanwhile, all his friends, all the people who want
to put on social media are get excited about it.
Speaker 4 (11:50):
That's stand it.
Speaker 6 (11:53):
I mean, how do you hold the dialdo to throw it?
I'm sorry, man, like, are you grabb You've ever.
Speaker 2 (11:58):
Thrown a knife before. You can hold it by the button,
you can hold it by the That's what I'm saying.
Are you holding it back? Are you tip? Are you
if you go end over end? You really want to
hold by you know, the head? You know, I think
that's how you want to hold it because you want
the weight, the weight of the balls to be able
to get it to turn over.
Speaker 3 (12:19):
And it's like it's like flipping a water bottle. You
got to use the weight is still still remaining inside
the bottle to get the land.
Speaker 4 (12:31):
Does it make a noise when you try it?
Speaker 8 (12:33):
Like?
Speaker 4 (12:34):
Is it?
Speaker 1 (12:34):
Like?
Speaker 8 (12:37):
Oh?
Speaker 2 (12:37):
Yeah? I mean if you if you get enough revolutions
on that thing, it's gonna make a noise.
Speaker 4 (12:42):
Now.
Speaker 2 (12:42):
The other way is the spiral, which that one you
put on a grab closer to the balls. You can't
you can't grab it because but you've got Most people
make the mistake of grabbing in the middle. Don't have
a football and be like, oh, put my hand in
the middle. It's like, no, you gotta grab towards the end.
(13:04):
That's how you spin that thing.
Speaker 4 (13:05):
And then you put the finger on the tip, right,
do you do.
Speaker 2 (13:08):
The because that would that would you're not throwing from that.
I know what you're doing. Oh god, I'm actually a
proper technique for number five.
Speaker 4 (13:17):
Well, I'm trying to five.
Speaker 3 (13:19):
Comes around, because wasn't it was it Tom House who
came up with the you gotta make a C next
to your ear when you throw. Was it was it
you who said that you gotta do this when you throw,
you got to follow.
Speaker 2 (13:29):
Your Tom Martinez. That was like the old Tom.
Speaker 4 (13:32):
Martino is in my wedding.
Speaker 6 (13:33):
Then you gotta follow it through to the bottom of
your nose, follow through, throw it like with that, and
then follow through to your bottom of your nose.
Speaker 2 (13:43):
I don't know what the heck you're talking about.
Speaker 3 (13:46):
And these things are like fifty bucks.
Speaker 6 (13:48):
So's the four. Let's see the form again. Let's see
let's go for under the nose, under the under the nose.
Now you got to bring it under, you got you
gotta turn it, and you gotta finish what you're throwing
with the elbow to the endstide okay, and the pinky
finger under the note.
Speaker 4 (14:06):
I didn't know.
Speaker 3 (14:08):
And these things are and you looked him up the
other day. These things are like fifty bucks.
Speaker 4 (14:12):
Some of them are. Some of them are like thirteen dollars.
Speaker 6 (14:15):
Yeah, yeah, the range is like I guess it depends
on the functionality of it.
Speaker 4 (14:21):
I'd love to know what the increase in sales are.
Speaker 6 (14:24):
I was about to say, bro, I bet you Braziers
is out here like putting a spoof together as we speak.
As we speak one of them, what's the other ones called?
You know what they're called?
Speaker 4 (14:37):
I don't me. You live out here, bright, Come on,
you used to live amongst them?
Speaker 2 (14:45):
Hey? Look, man, what if a parent was involved? Like
the dad thinks it's so funny. He's even like, oh yeah, sudden,
let me help you here. Let's go on. I mean again,
a young kid's probably not going into a hustler.
Speaker 4 (15:01):
You can order those things super easily, though.
Speaker 2 (15:04):
Yes, you could.
Speaker 4 (15:05):
You have to be eighteen, though, don't you to order them?
I don't know. I don't think so. I don't believe
that that's well.
Speaker 2 (15:11):
Let's go to our resident expert, uh Lee, Lorena, is.
Speaker 4 (15:16):
There an age?
Speaker 7 (15:17):
Yeah, you do have to be eighteen, but I mean
it's the internet.
Speaker 4 (15:19):
You can just told you.
Speaker 10 (15:20):
That the last time I did online shopping for this
type of stuff. I believe it's kind of like when
you go to an online site, they say are you
eighteen or older? Because you can't they can't ask for
your ID, so they have to just ask, are you
eighteen year older?
Speaker 4 (15:35):
I can go test it right now.
Speaker 6 (15:36):
I'm testing it right now as we speak. What are
you look, here's an.
Speaker 4 (15:40):
Adult toy right here. I want to buy. I want
to buy it now. Why why pay the extra money?
Just get not ask me.
Speaker 2 (15:50):
For I don't think you want that in your algorithm.
Speaker 4 (15:53):
It's not asking. I mean, I'm just saying, and I'm.
Speaker 2 (15:55):
Just I know the next thing, next thing, you know
is be popping up everywhere, right.
Speaker 4 (16:00):
It's like Brady went through. Brady went through this, uh,
this phase where he was sending me these.
Speaker 3 (16:06):
Instagram clips of people coming up with crafty ways to
flip you off. And I looked at one and it
completely changed my algorithm. People doing handstands.
Speaker 6 (16:17):
You don't have to check being eighteen, by the way,
you don't know, you don't You don't have to be
of age to buy this toy.
Speaker 2 (16:25):
In particular, the same thing happened to me one time
I got sent a you know a thing in a
group chat, clicked on that next thing. You know, every
every you know Instagram video that pops up that the
woman's got big boobs.
Speaker 4 (16:37):
I who said that? Yeah, it's like wolves.
Speaker 2 (16:42):
I could plain it about it, you know, and for
some reason my page still just looks like that, like everywhere.
Speaker 4 (16:48):
You know.
Speaker 3 (16:48):
Oh well, I think, uh, I think this is, you know,
a job well done by our correspondent.
Speaker 4 (16:56):
Lead to laugh. Who really uh really dug deep?
Speaker 6 (17:06):
You know, like when you wanted don't warrior movies, like
like like a Gladiator when he threw the when he
threw the sword that hit the dude off the hoarse.
Speaker 11 (17:17):
Like that thing just catch you off guard. Come out
of nowhere. By the way, it's upside to hit. Somebody's
gonna get really creative. You're gonna see dildo nunchucks. You're
gonna see all sorts of stuff come out now. Dildo stars,
oh yeah, Chinese stars. Oh grow up, everybody have some respect.
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Speaker 2 (17:44):
What was the score of the games.
Speaker 4 (17:47):
Who was the leading scorer? Yeah? I thought that was
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Speaker 2 (17:51):
Was it?
Speaker 8 (17:51):
Was it?
Speaker 2 (17:51):
Brittany Hicks?
Speaker 4 (17:54):
You got me the first time on that one? What Hicks?
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The NFL has decided to put its foot down. All right,
enough is enough? The National Football League has banned smelling
salts and the use of ammonia before war and during
all NFL games.
Speaker 4 (19:01):
Why is that? Did they give a reason? I'm not sure,
but George Kittle's not happy. He was pissed.
Speaker 6 (19:07):
There's a lot of dudes that that's that's your wake
up call. I know people do that before workout, Yeah,
like in between sets. Does they kill brain cells? Lee?
Speaker 2 (19:17):
Actually a pretty expert on that one't you.
Speaker 6 (19:21):
Uh.
Speaker 7 (19:21):
I haven't heard that it kills brain cells. I don't
know about.
Speaker 4 (19:24):
That, Lee.
Speaker 2 (19:25):
Do you do anything else that kills brain cells?
Speaker 7 (19:27):
I drink that definitely kills brain cells. Nothing else. I
don't think I do anything else that kills brain cells.
Speaker 3 (19:34):
Okay, I guess there was some report that came out
and last year from the FDA warning people of the
use of it. So the NFL decided, you.
Speaker 6 (19:42):
Know what, it can contain a chance ammonia gas can
irritate the nasal passages and the respiratory system. However, there
is no evidence that would say say that it causes
per permanent brain.
Speaker 3 (20:00):
Damage until they get a sponsor from one of them
and they're making some money, and then then they'll be
okay with it.
Speaker 4 (20:06):
Johnson hand smelling salts, Like, I.
Speaker 2 (20:10):
Wonder if this is one of those deals they ban
it because they feel like younger kids will start doing it,
and maybe that's what they're concerned with.
Speaker 6 (20:19):
It's been forever. I use smelling salts in high school.
Speaker 4 (20:22):
This isn't bad salts, right, No, not bad?
Speaker 2 (20:25):
You don't eat them.
Speaker 4 (20:26):
I've never heard of smelling salts.
Speaker 6 (20:27):
Smelling salts is like an ammonia cap and like a
like a little like a little smellg you crack it
open and then when you smell it like just burns
your whole face open, Like everything just opens up.
Speaker 4 (20:41):
It's like who they use.
Speaker 6 (20:45):
They're used for, like waking people up when they have
like concussions or been knocked unconscious.
Speaker 2 (20:49):
Stuff like we should all do it before show.
Speaker 4 (20:51):
I mean it'd be like hyped up.
Speaker 2 (20:54):
I know you will, Jonas, Yeah, I get you hyped.
Speaker 6 (20:56):
They used to sell something on the market that was
like you could sniff, like stick it up.
Speaker 4 (21:02):
Your nose and then sniff it.
Speaker 7 (21:04):
And then they still some times they use mental.
Speaker 6 (21:07):
Yeah yeah, yeah, like if you're like really like stuffed
up or something to that effect.
Speaker 3 (21:13):
See you go deep enough? What Lee Rain has got answers? Yeah, right, Yeah.
Speaker 5 (21:18):
There's this stuff called I don't know if I should
say it, but sniff it's it's legal in Europe.
Speaker 7 (21:22):
It's not legal here.
Speaker 2 (21:23):
I've heard that too around when people go skiing in
South Florida.
Speaker 4 (21:30):
You know what we should lay out here? Oh God,
take it away.
Speaker 2 (21:36):
He told me one time. He's never been know what smells.
Speaker 1 (21:39):
Like that.
Speaker 4 (21:41):
Tang.
Speaker 6 (21:43):
Yeah, I'm just curious as to why you would why
would you ban it?
Speaker 4 (21:48):
Why not?
Speaker 6 (21:48):
I mean, why not give some some context to why
you would ban it. That's a that's it's a it's
a part of people's ritual, like a lot of people's ritual,
like pregaming.
Speaker 2 (22:00):
I was just thinking that is going to order someone Amazon,
It's gonna show.
Speaker 3 (22:04):
Up, and so, yeah, there's nothing inside now. George Kittle
is one of those guys who depends on it. He
interrupted an interview on NFL Network yesterday to explain how
disappointed he was in the NFL about this.
Speaker 4 (22:21):
Here was I.
Speaker 13 (22:22):
Honestly just came up here to eric our team at
a memo today that smelling spots and ammonia packets were
made illegal in the NFL.
Speaker 7 (22:28):
And I've been distraught all day.
Speaker 4 (22:30):
Illegal.
Speaker 6 (22:31):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (22:31):
He even said he's not practicing anymore. I considered retirement.
Speaker 13 (22:35):
Yeah, you got to figure out middle ground here.
Speaker 4 (22:40):
Guys helped me out.
Speaker 13 (22:41):
Somebody come up with a good ideas.
Speaker 4 (22:44):
Yeah, that's all I had to get out there?
Speaker 8 (22:46):
Is it?
Speaker 4 (22:46):
Is it?
Speaker 7 (22:47):
Every before, every every drive I'm in, every.
Speaker 4 (22:52):
Every drive in between every place.
Speaker 13 (22:57):
Yeah, it feels like the energy is still out here though,
I like, definitely, but I miss those already.
Speaker 4 (23:02):
I just don't.
Speaker 3 (23:04):
But just now, now we've decided, you know what, it's
twenty twenty five, and you know this has got to stop. Okay,
there's not there's not other issues you could probably focus on.
Let's go ahead and get rid of smelling salts, all right.
Speaker 4 (23:15):
I just I don't.
Speaker 3 (23:16):
I don't know how they pick and choose what's going
to be a problem and what they're going to eliminate.
Just very very strange. I mean, what's what would do
more damage that?
Speaker 4 (23:26):
Or chew?
Speaker 3 (23:28):
Like smelling salts or chew? Because if it's two so
if somebody, if somebody was doing chew, not a zin
but the old school chew.
Speaker 6 (23:37):
Yeah, bro, like that band that's like causing cancer? Is
that band?
Speaker 4 (23:43):
I believe?
Speaker 2 (23:44):
So I don't think it is che I don't think
of this either. No, I just know no one does
want playing football.
Speaker 7 (23:52):
Remember the MLB like tried to bin Yeah.
Speaker 4 (23:54):
I thought mlbing tobacco. I thought that's what happened.
Speaker 3 (24:00):
No, I mean like cause you'll see you could see
a coach on the sideline who's got to chew it?
Speaker 4 (24:06):
So it's not not not in coaches.
Speaker 6 (24:10):
That's not true. You're not you're not You're not allowed
to snuff. That's not you're not allowed to snuff.
Speaker 4 (24:16):
Coaches don't. No, they're not allowed to snuff.
Speaker 2 (24:20):
I've seen coaches dip.
Speaker 6 (24:21):
Yeah, no, no, no, no. I think if they did,
they were breaking the rule. Like I'm pretty certain they're
just coaches subject to that. It's a no. It's like
a no tobacco like chew, like smoke. It's a no.
Speaker 2 (24:38):
You can't do any ship there.
Speaker 6 (24:41):
Yeah, I don't, I don't know. I'm I'm pretty certain.
I'm pretty certain that was made a rule. I'm pretty certain.
I'm gonna look it up.
Speaker 8 (24:52):
Lee.
Speaker 4 (24:52):
When's the last time you dipped?
Speaker 5 (24:55):
Well, I've done this z in fairly recently. Not a
big fan of dip or or z in, even though
I do, even though I got.
Speaker 4 (25:04):
My somebody's calling in, Hey, you know it just put
him on the air.
Speaker 7 (25:10):
There's probably a lot of people who have opinions on this. Yes,
I will screen this call and we will check holed up.
Speaker 3 (25:14):
How rude we're trying to do well, we're trying to
have a conversation about what's legal and not legal. And
then somebody's got the audacity to call in while Lee's
in his moment providing expertise on the subject.
Speaker 2 (25:27):
I can't get over how differently it sounds this morning
versus yesterday. And he tried to say, there's nothing different.
A little lot of sorts, Yes, he blames it, blames
the computers, little.
Speaker 4 (25:39):
Lot of sorts.
Speaker 2 (25:41):
Live. I got are we doing?
Speaker 4 (25:46):
Oh Lee, what are we looking at? Who is this?
Speaker 7 (25:50):
This is Kenny in South Carolina.
Speaker 5 (25:52):
It doesn't quite have a take on chewing tobacco, but
he does have an interesting Uh hey.
Speaker 4 (25:58):
I was just calling to let you guys know. The
reason why they've maned smelling is because it's uh, concussion symptoms.
That's what they said.
Speaker 2 (26:07):
Anyway, that makes sense. Yeah, I can see that.
Speaker 6 (26:10):
I mean, all right, thanks sir, Yeah, I appreciate, thank you.
Speaker 4 (26:15):
You guys. Buy now, how's your mask?
Speaker 2 (26:17):
I'm buying that. What do you mean, how's a mask
that wakes you up?
Speaker 4 (26:21):
Yeah? Okay, you can more alert, So you can do.
Speaker 6 (26:26):
That through a concussion if the smelling salts wake your
ass up.
Speaker 4 (26:31):
Basically, hell yeah.
Speaker 2 (26:32):
There's people who get concussed and they're like, all right now,
I'm good to go back in.
Speaker 4 (26:36):
There, you know, huh, well, you know they wouldn't that
be looked at as a remedy? Yeah?
Speaker 6 (26:41):
When'd you say, when, when in doubt use a smelling
saul with you to make you more alert with them.
Speaker 2 (26:48):
I'm with you not put them back in after a concussion, though.
Speaker 6 (26:52):
I mean, but if you can go from being concussed
to not seemingly being concussed, why wouldn't you that. That's
like if I'm in pain and you give me pain,
that I don't have any pain anymore?
Speaker 4 (27:06):
Right here?
Speaker 2 (27:06):
You know, and this is this is wright in jonas
Is Wheelhouse whoa so boxing match guy gets knocked out
cold his corner can't be waving a mont of tabs
underneath the okay gets up for the ten.
Speaker 3 (27:19):
Calendar there, and there's been some issues with that there.
There was a remember Aaron Pryor the bottle of course,
so the guy his training, God, I forget who his
trainer was.
Speaker 2 (27:31):
Oh man, I forget what Aaron Pryor was.
Speaker 4 (27:33):
Aaron was a great boxer out of Cincinnati, Like he
was really really.
Speaker 3 (27:37):
Good and well weight class I believe was he middleweight,
but he was really good and he in the corner
he was drinking like the trainer asked him. They said, uh,
give me a box. Because he was losing the fight.
Speaker 4 (27:54):
They're like, give me the bottle. And I think it
was against uh Aguayo. God was he? Who did he?
Speaker 3 (28:00):
Who's he in the fight with? But anyways, he was
in the corner. The trainer said, give me the bottle,
know the other one? And he drank out of the
bottle and came out and just annihilated this guy. And
the rumor was that there was something in the bottle.
Speaker 6 (28:16):
Some people thought mule and what was in the bottlely,
I think.
Speaker 4 (28:23):
It's Alexis aguay some rage did he look that up?
Speaker 3 (28:28):
Aaron Fryer they call him. I think it was Panama.
Lewis was the guy.
Speaker 4 (28:34):
Who was.
Speaker 2 (28:36):
Yeah, I love what goes to leave for research. That's
the only reason I do it. Now. I try to
follow Genis on this.
Speaker 4 (28:45):
He's a faster typer than me.
Speaker 6 (28:46):
Tobacco products and alcohol are restricted, like like firmly restricted
from NFL activities. It's a strict policy. I guess they
caught Mike Zimmer snuffing. They caught Baker Mayfield using a
zen and while they did not find them, it was
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made very clear to them that they are tobacco free zone.
Speaker 2 (29:12):
Do you tell many guys use Zin's in the NFL?
I mean, I've seen coach smokes cigarettes. What are we
talking about it?
Speaker 6 (29:20):
I've seen take it and put uh the biggest dip,
the biggest snuff and like bubble gum and you just
just chew it like it's like so they don't know
that it's that. It's like it's bubble gum. So I
don't I don't know how it all works, but it's
(29:42):
it's band. It's a band substance for anybody that's not
done chew. What is a hog leg?
Speaker 2 (29:50):
What is the It's a big old dip up in there.
Don't be afraid to let a show, you.
Speaker 4 (29:57):
Know, like like the horseshoe Almo swear at the bottom.
I don't understand why somebody would want to do that.
Speaker 6 (30:03):
Why would you want to use it while you're in
a game, Like that thing really spaces you out, like
I used some Copenhagen.
Speaker 4 (30:10):
Before, Like I used to do it.
Speaker 6 (30:12):
I used to do it one time for a meeting,
every training cab, just every training cab I did with
one of my dudes, Like we sit there and we
spit together, right, and I would feel like yeah, yeah,
it made me feel really bad, like really spaced out,
but it kept you awake, like very I was very high.
Speaker 4 (30:35):
Is what I was. In my own estimation, I was
I was fried Lee.
Speaker 3 (30:40):
What do you have on Panama Lewis providing liquid cocaine
in the corner?
Speaker 5 (30:44):
Yeah, so Panama Lewis said at the time that he
had put peppermint liquor in there to settle a prior stomach. However,
many believed that it didn't contain stimulants. This was documented
in a documentary called Assault in the Ring. He was
later anctioned and and actually charged with assault for removing
padding from his gloves and the subsequent fight with Billy
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Collins Junior. And they also claimed that he would crush
asthma pills into the fighter's water together, stamina.
Speaker 4 (31:14):
That's what it asthma pills there, it is right there.
What a what a dirty tactic?
Speaker 2 (31:21):
Ito fighters.
Speaker 4 (31:29):
Down a horse?
Speaker 3 (31:31):
That's really what it is, all right. Well, so that's unfortunate.
So if you were hoping to see somebody do smelling
salts in an NFL game, not gonna happen. Apparently we
decided we are against that moving forward.
Speaker 4 (31:43):
That's crazy, but we can still do it on our
show though.
Speaker 6 (31:46):
Anybody wants to appreciate the call from South Carolina too,
By the way, I appreciate your insight.
Speaker 2 (31:51):
Yeah, just why do you order some from Amazon and
get him delivered to your place?
Speaker 4 (31:55):
You know, I don't like the label of being cheap.
Speaker 2 (31:58):
You are cheap?
Speaker 3 (32:00):
Well, I'll check the price at Amazon, and if I
don't like it, I'll go to Amazon Off and then
we'll go from there. Let me see smelling salts.
Speaker 4 (32:07):
What can we get for you? What would you guys
say like eight bucks? What depends on how are you
getting If you are going to get a pack?
Speaker 6 (32:15):
I would say it's probably like around twenty dollars or
something like that.
Speaker 2 (32:19):
Ten to twelve.
Speaker 6 (32:20):
You're a package, a pack up, Yeah, it can be
that expensive.
Speaker 4 (32:23):
One pack nineteen ninety nine.
Speaker 2 (32:24):
There you go, bad day, all right? How do they
come in one pack?
Speaker 8 (32:28):
Umm?
Speaker 6 (32:29):
I don't know, it's like twenty of them. Maybe I
think it's powder for him? Oh, it's powder?
Speaker 2 (32:36):
Yeah, hold on, how does that work?
Speaker 4 (32:38):
I don't know.
Speaker 3 (32:38):
It's got a little scoop with it and all that. Yeah,
I'm looking for pills. You just bring No, that's not pills.
Speaker 4 (32:45):
Oh they got travel size. You're looking at the wrong thing, all.
Speaker 3 (32:49):
Right, So one hundred pounds sticks sixty bucks, way out
of my price range.
Speaker 4 (32:53):
Not happening.
Speaker 2 (32:55):
Good to Amazon.
Speaker 7 (32:56):
I see something for seven bucks an eBay.
Speaker 2 (33:00):
You never even buy ammonia sticks on third day.
Speaker 4 (33:03):
The ones I'm talking about the ones that use on
by the way to sling. Somebody was slinging those on eBay.
Speaker 6 (33:09):
The ones that use on the sidelines are thirty nine
hold on first aid only, ammonia inhaling thirty nine dollars
and ninety eight cents one hundred to the box, bang
for you. But the ones those are the ones that
they use on the sidelines.
Speaker 4 (33:29):
I don't worry.
Speaker 2 (33:30):
They'll be back heavily.
Speaker 3 (33:32):
Uh.
Speaker 2 (33:33):
The old Shappy just would say expense to Shappy, we'll
try it.
Speaker 3 (33:39):
On the show, Scot Shapira opening up a box of
smelling salt that Lee had delivered.
Speaker 2 (33:45):
Even worse, he'd be like, are you guys doing smelling
salts before you guys go on air? Yeah?
Speaker 4 (33:49):
Actually walk Yeah, hate Lee. But the they don't do that.
They don't sell those at the liquor store, the.
Speaker 7 (33:56):
Liver store, but at the pharmacy, get right next door.
Speaker 4 (33:58):
You can. Oh you got?
Speaker 6 (34:00):
You empty out one of them little water bottles, the
little mini water bottle. You put like three, four, five,
six of them bad boys in there, and then you
have a smelling salt party.
Speaker 2 (34:13):
Why have you never thought of doing this before a show,
especially after a delivery Wednesday?
Speaker 7 (34:17):
That is a good call. You know, we can, we
can make changes.
Speaker 2 (34:21):
To improve career.
Speaker 6 (34:24):
Yes, yeah, sometimes I probably need it too, though, But
I'm drinking the Celsius right now, and I feel I'm
so jacked up.
Speaker 4 (34:33):
Right now, I feel like I want to go out and.
Speaker 6 (34:36):
Run like the stairs in between the breaks, like I
got energy.
Speaker 4 (34:41):
It's crazy.
Speaker 7 (34:42):
You got one of the ones with the vodka in it.
Speaker 6 (34:43):
Var No, it's not ready to drink. I didn't get
I said, I wish I would have got one. No,
but this is sparkling wild Berry. It's pretty good. It's
got me wide awake, like them smelling smelling salts and
sip sip on some smelling salt.
Speaker 4 (35:01):
Hell, yeah, that's what you're doing right now.
Speaker 1 (35:03):
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Speaker 3 (35:13):
We promised you a three time Super Bowl champion, and
he has arrived. We welcome in Michael Lombardi, longtime front
office man, longtime assistant in the NFL. You mentioned the
three Super Bowl championships. He's now the GM at North
Carolina and he's the author of Football Done Right, setting
the record straight on the coaches, players and history of
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the NFL. Mike, thanks so much for making us and
giving us a few minutes of your time here.
Speaker 4 (35:40):
On this morning, No problem. Thank you for having me.
Speaker 8 (35:43):
I appreciate it.
Speaker 3 (35:44):
So I just want to ask you first and foremost
when it comes to North Carolina.
Speaker 4 (35:49):
What was Why was this the right move for you?
Speaker 3 (35:52):
Because, look, you've had a successful run, You've got the
Super Bowl rings, you've been had success in the media.
But why was now the time for you to get
it back and involved in specifically North Carolina at.
Speaker 4 (36:04):
The college level.
Speaker 8 (36:06):
Well, obviously, Coach Belichick and I we did a podcast
together on a TV show last year at NFL Films,
and we spent a lot of time together talking about,
you know, all things that relate to the NFL, and
it always came back to the fact that in college
it's a pro job. I mean, let's face it, the
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kids deserve to get paid. They make a lot of
money for the universities. They put the school on the map.
They're going to have our salary cap. And the job
is very challenging if you're trying to manage the cap,
evaluate players, build a personnel department, and then also coach
the team. It really is a two person job. It's
a one voice job, but it's a two person job.
(36:47):
And I think ultimately he and I both looked at it,
and there was a situation that came up and we
both looked at each other, that's a pro job. And
I think that just led us to North Carolina being
you know, we were here back in nineteen ninety two.
We were on campus, we were scouting, we were with
the Browns. He was the head coach. I was a
GM and we walked around the campus, we were working
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players out in the area, and we wonder, like, why
don't they win here? This is an incredibly magical place.
It's a great school. It's not a basketball school, it's
a great school. So I think ultimately that's what transpired.
Speaker 2 (37:21):
Michael I got to ask you this, though you know,
it seems like it is a pro job. There's no doubt.
It's definitely getting to where I think the NFL is now,
but it's not quite there. You know, there's not as
much structure around it. Does it feel a little bit
chaotic at times with so many moving parts and a
lot of things that are still evolving and changing. And
then the other part of that is how do you
(37:42):
take your expertise in what you've acquired over your time
in the NFL and apply that to being a general
manager at the college level at its current state.
Speaker 4 (37:52):
Well, two things.
Speaker 8 (37:53):
Your first question to answer your first question is it's
really important that you that you understand that we don't
have a collective art and agreement, and so you can't
get upset with the way the rules change. You would
like more clarity on a lot of things, and I
think there should be some form of a collective argent agreement.
I don't think it's fair that a kid spends you know,
he signs an IL deal in December and then enters
(38:17):
the spring portal and takes money from the university for
three months and then transfers you know, I think that's
kind of that's not ethical business. I really don't. I
think that's hard. I think it's not a lesson we
want to teach our kids. So you know, now, should
you have the right to transfer, Absolutely, but I think
there should be one transfer portal, but there should be
more of a unilateral and a collective way to where
(38:40):
things where there's rules and we're not in the wild
wild West. To me my expertise, and I wrote about
this in my book Ridio Genius. My job here is
to build systems and processes because without systems and processes,
you can't win, whether you're in high school, college or pro.
And so what we have to do is we have
to identify who do we want to become. We want
to be a smart, tough, dependable football team at North Carolina.
(39:02):
So I have to build processes and systems that acquire
players that fit the description that we're doing. That means
have a grading system, that means build a draft board,
that means recruit the players that fit our model, scout
inside out, and then evaluate the current roster to make
sure that a player gets paid the right amount and
being we don't overpay a player, he's more than willing
(39:23):
to transfer and don't underpay a player because he's going
to transfer if you do that. So a lot of
moving pieces, but for the most part, it's about getting
the process in place, having a grading system. So we're
not arguing about who's a good player and who isn't
a good player. We're arguing about the description of the player.
You know, you see all these shows on TV they
(39:44):
argue who's a good player. Well, let's take Michael Parsons, right,
Michael Parsons describe him and that description tells you what
he should make based on the current salary structure.
Speaker 4 (39:55):
Of the people in the league.
Speaker 8 (39:56):
So obviously he's as good as TJ. Watt. He's the
highest a player. So Jerry's job is to try to
find a way to get him a little bit above TJ.
And Makais option is to get a lot above TJ.
So their lives to dispute.
Speaker 4 (40:13):
So it's an interesting point.
Speaker 6 (40:15):
And for you being at the college level, ma Is LeVar,
by the way, great to hear your voice and great, great, absolutely,
I'm just curious and and the things that you're saying,
and in the current space that you're in, you write
the book, which I think it makes a ton of
sense football done right, because there is a lot of
(40:37):
it done wrong and people may not realize that, but
but it is is this for you, the ability to
be able to do R and D like to to
figure out what works best and and and how does
that apply from you know, college students, because there still
has to be the student aspect, the go to school
(40:58):
and get good grades to aspect of it for where
you guys are at. But how does that compare or
how does what you're preaching and putting in your book
apply to college and pro or does it apply to
both or just one in particular.
Speaker 8 (41:12):
Well, when you get paid right, LaVar, you become a professional.
And so our job here at North Carolina is to
teach these kids what it means to be a professional. Right.
Amateurs blame others, Professionals accept responsibility. Amateurs focus on the
short term. Professionals focus on the long term. Amateurs show
up the practice to have fun. Professionals realize what happens
(41:34):
in practice happens in the game. So there's so much
difference between an amateur and a pro, and it's our
job to teach them that. Because if you're going to
take a check and you're going to be held accountable.
Just you know, we're not just hoping you go play
the slots at the casino and we'll comp you for room,
food and beverage and make money off your gambling habits.
That's not what we're doing here. We're running a business,
and you've accepted it as a business because you're taking
(41:56):
a check. So our delivery is very much professional. We
call ourselves the thirty thirteen not because we want to
compete in the NFL, but because of the professional lessons
that we're going to teach them. What's the first thing
I tell every player that walks into my office, I
tell them, what are you going to do when you
sign your letter of intent to come to school here?
They said, well, I'm going to buy books?
Speaker 4 (42:15):
Know you're not.
Speaker 8 (42:15):
What am I going to do with the first thing here?
There's change your cell phone number. Because everybody's going to
want tickets, everybody's going to want gear, everybody's going to
want something from you. But you're a professional now, and
tickets cost money, and gear costs money, and you can
control who's in your life and who's not in your life.
And so for me, that's the lesson we're trying to
teach the kids here. You know about that when we
(42:38):
were in New England. You know, at the first Rookie meeting,
we had Verizon at and T. We had you know,
all the T mobile We had them all waiting outside
there so the kids could understand, Hey, you're pro now,
and pros control who comes in their lives.
Speaker 4 (42:52):
Michael Lombardi with us here on Fox Sports Radio.
Speaker 3 (42:55):
Mike, before we let you go, you had a successful
run with the first book, Gridiron Genius. What motivated you
to write the next one, Football Done Right, which is
now on paperback here soon.
Speaker 8 (43:06):
Well, what motivated me was the injustices that happened in
the league, the inconsistency. George Allen went to one Super
Bowl and lost. He won seventy percent of his game
season In the Hall of Fame, I don't dispute that
Marty Schottenheimer won two hundred games in his career. He's
one of nine human beings on planet Earth that has
ever done that that's called themselves the head coach. He
can't get into the Hall of Fame. Well, they say, well,
(43:28):
he never won a Super Bowl, either did Marv Levy
either did Bud Grant. The inconsistencies in the voting. I mean,
I wrote the book under the pretense, but why it
was Sterling Sharp not in the Hall of Fame. Two
years later he got in the Hall of Fame. But
there's so many players that are overlooked in that area.
And I think, to me, especially in the coaching venue.
(43:48):
You know, it's a political it's a political event. It's
not based on merit. Why did it take so long
for Charles Haley to get into the Hall of Fame.
It's ridiculous, right, Charles Haley's one of the best players
in the national football it took him forever to get
in the Hall of Fame. Well, he wasn't popular with
the media. And I think you need to take that
out of it. You know, I think it's an injustice
that Clark Shaughnessy, the man who invented the forward pass.
(44:11):
He invented the forward pass. When I used to get
on the team bus in San Francisco, Bill Walsh would
be doodling Clark Shaughnessy's plays. He's in the College Hall
of Fame, but he can't get the pro he invented
the pass. You know, there's just these kinds of things.
No one's paying attention to it, and the purpose of
the book was. You know, Larry David on his show
Curb Your Enthusiasm, he called the guy that sits in
(44:33):
the middle of a dinner party table the middler, the
stir conversation. That's what I was trying to do with
this book, is stir a conversation.
Speaker 4 (44:40):
Michael Lombardi awesome.
Speaker 3 (44:42):
You can get him on x at m Lombardi UNCGM.
Congrats on the new gig, can't wait to watch. It's
going to be fascinating. Congrats on the second book and
let's do it again soon.
Speaker 8 (44:53):
Thank you so much.
Speaker 4 (44:54):
Guys.
Speaker 3 (44:54):
There he is, Michael Lombardi with us here on Fox
Sports Radio. The more we get closer to Belichick Lombardi
at North Carolina Must See TV, the more I'm fascinated
by it.
Speaker 4 (45:08):
It Must See. I want to wait to see how
this is going to work.
Speaker 2 (45:13):
Listening to by the way, I mean, everyone who surrounds
Bill Belichick, or I should say who he surrounds himself with,
is super sharp.
Speaker 4 (45:21):
I mean, that's the.
Speaker 2 (45:22):
One thing I would say, just from all the coaches
that I played for that were assistants under Bill Belichick
and coordinators and became head coaches. They're super sharp and
they all have they know football. And so if you
look at like all those coaches and you go, well,
why don't they have more success or why don't more
win Super Bowls? It's it's hard, man.
Speaker 4 (45:40):
You just listen to.
Speaker 2 (45:41):
Michael Lombardi tell you about a guy like Marty Schottenheimer
who won two hundred games, who was an incredibly successful
coach that didn't win a Super Bowl. But grant there's
others who have been legends of the game, and that
it doesn't always equates always working out that way because
there's a lot of factors that play a role. But
I love hearing about the history of it. I love,
you know, because I mean football it's all you know, copycat,
(46:03):
you know, guys kind of rinse, repeat, you know, some
of the stuff that's been.
Speaker 4 (46:06):
Going on for a long time. I will say this,
new Rockney.
Speaker 2 (46:09):
May have an issue with his claim one who created
the forward pass?
Speaker 4 (46:13):
Oh yeah, I can do.
Speaker 2 (46:14):
I do think new Rockney at one point was credited
in creating the forward pass. So I'll have to help
to look that up.
Speaker 3 (46:21):
I mean, there's only one way to get to the
answer here, agreed or Lee, Lee, I'll take Lee over
Grok any day of the week, way more entertaining. All right, Lee,
who created the forward pass? All right, so we can
get to the bottom of this stuff.
Speaker 4 (46:34):
This is important.
Speaker 3 (46:36):
It is true though, there's so many variables and so
many things that need to happen right for you to
win a Super Bowl, And once you win that Super Bowl,
the way your career is viewed is completely different. And look,
it definitely is worth something. But man, I mean, like
Matt Ryan, Matt Ryan's probably there's probably a discussion being
(46:57):
had for him being a Hall of Famer if they
could hold onto a lead, or you know, if they
chose to run the ball a couple more times, or
if one of those two point conversions right that the
Patriots converted on late in that game, they don't convert
on Matt Ryan. All of a sudden, we're talking about
him being a Hall of Famer with a Super Bowl
(47:17):
ring and a win over Tom Brady just changes.
Speaker 4 (47:20):
The course of your entire career.
Speaker 2 (47:22):
Yeah, I mean, look, and those are nuanced conversations, right.
You know, he's playing with another Hall of Famer in
Julio Jones. But it's incredible to think how it is
media driven like, we're talking about that subject right now,
but if you ask other people who played with them,
you know, people like will come up to bat form
and say, no, he should be a Hall of Famer.
I mean Philip Rivers, another guy who didn't win a
(47:42):
Super Bowl, was incredibly successful and prolific of the course
of his career and a player that when you talk
to guys who are like, no, he should be a
Hall of Famer, there's people who feel that way. So look,
fans have their opinion, media has got their own opinion
on it. But the fact that it is the way
it is sometimes where guys have to wait, who shouldn't
That's what's frustrating.
Speaker 6 (48:03):
I don't know, man, I'm curious to see how it
all plays out and to see what we're talking about
legacies and how people are viewed and being went one
win or wins away from being viewed a certain type
of way. What will the aftermath of this experiment project
(48:23):
with you and c with Belichick, with Lombardi coming to
college with a sense of, as he said in himself,
teaching these young guys how to be professionals from day one?
Speaker 2 (48:37):
Did you like that? By the way, I actually loved
not just say because you like it kind of makes.
Speaker 6 (48:42):
Sense, and it makes sense in a lot of ways.
My biggest question is, with so many different backgrounds, so
many different motivations, how are you able to get those
lessons across with some seventeen, eighteen year old, nineteen year old,
(49:03):
you know, twenty year old, you know, young young dudes.
There are so many different things that their minds are
on and and it's just it it sounds good in theory. Well,
I think there's some common ground there. Would see if
you've ever coached and you've been around these kids on
an everyday basis, it is definitely very Uh, it's it's
(49:29):
a challenge.
Speaker 2 (49:30):
I'll say that there's some common ground.
Speaker 4 (49:32):
I heard the setup. Go ahead, finish it. No, I'm
just finish the.
Speaker 2 (49:37):
Setup what they're interested in at that age. You know
some young.
Speaker 6 (49:40):
Coach, same age and they go out on double dates.
I mean, you are a funny dude, because it did.
I heard you, but it didn't click in. I was
waiting for the punchline, and then I really thought about
what you said.
Speaker 2 (49:53):
And if you don't think you're not going to run
into Bill Belichick at the hot spot there in Chapel Hill.
All right, whatever restaurant that is on a date night,
You're a dead wrong. That's relatable. I mean they are relatable. Damn.
Speaker 3 (50:04):
I mean, don't you respect him more as a talent
evaluator based on this offseason?
Speaker 2 (50:09):
That's what I do.
Speaker 6 (50:10):
I bet you those kids are going to play harder.
I bet you they're gonna play harder for a coach
that they know Will Dade, a woman that looks like
that at that age, I bet you did play harder
because the respect factor is going to be different up
till he's playing in our pool.
Speaker 2 (50:30):
I feel like, in all seriousness, you did this.
Speaker 4 (50:36):
By the way you did this, you did that he
usually does all right, good.
Speaker 2 (50:43):
I do feel like this is going to work. I mean,
there's a there's a number of things that line up
for you and c to be successful. Outside of Clemsons
is gonna be really good this year. There's not really
another team that makes you go okay, like Miami could
be really good, which weird stat this is, this is
actually amazing. By the way, do you guys know Miami
(51:05):
in their first I want to say it's like six
or seven games. They play one away game before November.
Really the season starts for them with August thirty first,
that's Sunday Night versus Notre Dame. They will play in
the state of Florida all right the entire time until November,
so they're basically playing I think it's like six home
(51:26):
games and one away game. Maybe they play what at
Florida State or someone they play someone else on the road,
but in Florida, everywhere else is at home. It is
the most stacked schedule I have ever seen.
Speaker 4 (51:40):
Oh yeah, so Florida, Florida at Florida State.
Speaker 2 (51:43):
Jesus, it's everything's at everything's in Miami besides the Florida
State game. And then they finally go on the road.
Speaker 4 (51:51):
In November, and they're going to start off the year
oh and one, So they got to.
Speaker 2 (51:55):
Make up for that's right, how about them apples. But anyway,
Miami schedule sets up well for them, with the exception
of having to get drum by Notre Dame week one.
Clemson would be good. But outside of that, you're going
all right, Like Florida State's kind of down, so you
and seek it easily flip the script on a lot
of people and become that team no one's talking about.
And I think a lot of the things they're doing,
(52:17):
you know, bringing more of a pro style model. You
hear about some of the parents who want their son
to you know, play for Bill Belichick and have that
all that NFL experience. It's real. I mean, Michael, the
whole cell phone thing just kind of tickles me because
it's just it's one of those little quirks that you
you when you sit and think about it, you go,
that's a powerful message to tell to a young person
who's got money and now fame at a really young age,
(52:41):
is you now control who's in your life? And I
understand your point of like, hey, it's it's not that easy. Which,
by the way, it's I don't care if you're black, white, hispanic, whatever,
like what. Yeah, I'm just saying everyone deals with that,
like taking care of the family, take care of the boys,
taking care of whatever it is, you know, whatever you
want to describe it. Like, there's all elements of that
(53:02):
once you get money and once you make it. So
it's a powerful message to me because I think it
resonates with like anyone at that stage of life who's
eighteen years old, as all of a sudden, making hundreds
of thousands of dollars, maybe even depending on who they are,
a million or more and then being able to understand
how you get to deal with that. You know, that's
a tough thing to deal with an eighteen years old lee.
Speaker 4 (53:24):
Do we have an answer on who created the forward pass?
Speaker 5 (53:27):
Yeah, well, the University of North Carolina likes to say
that they invented the forward pass, which might you know,
some people might say is the case because they did
it in eighteen ninety five against the University of Georgia.
It wasn't legal until nineteen oh six, and so it
was credited to a coach of Saint Louis University, Eddie Coacherns,
the father of the forward pass. Bradbury Robins said, Bradbury
Robinson threw that first pass under those rules, it wasn't
(53:50):
incomplete and therefore resulted in a turnover. He did later
throw a twenty yard touchdown in that season. But yeah,
his coach, Eddie Coachurns, is considered the father.
Speaker 2 (53:58):
Of the forward pass. Okay, so I'm seeing John Heisman
is the renowned coach is most closely associated with the
development of it because he's the one who helped advocate
and really pushing it I legalized and then nineteen oh
six Rules Committee. That's what I was able to find.
Speaker 1 (54:18):
Lee.
Speaker 5 (54:20):
Uh yeah, sorry, uh yeah, well key radio you know,
well sh figure.
Speaker 4 (54:25):
You know they can't see you like look, yeah, say something.
Speaker 2 (54:32):
Lee, they can't see the hour glass slowly trying to
process late.
Speaker 4 (54:36):
Ailee respond a little bit quicker than that. But you
are the grock for people driving. I stand No.
Speaker 5 (54:41):
I agree that John Heisman, the namesake of the Heisman,
wrote thirty years later that he believes that the tar
heels gave birth to the forward Pass. Again, it wasn't
legal until nineteen oh six. I'm just telling you what.
Who you're telling us what crock you found on rock?
Speaker 7 (54:55):
No, I'm telling you what.
Speaker 5 (54:56):
Uh So, there's many historians who say that Eddie Coach
Turns was to the forward Pass with the Wright brothers
word of aviation and what Thomas Edison was to the
electric right to electric.
Speaker 2 (55:06):
Stuff again cross right chat GBT perplexity. What do you
usually Gemini?
Speaker 7 (55:13):
Oh use Wikipedia of course.
Speaker 2 (55:14):
Yeah. Well if you used Google, you used Gemini.
Speaker 4 (55:19):
More like more like lead to fact. He knows his stuff,
that's right.
Speaker 2 (55:25):
Oh my gosh, please hey, Lee, what was the email
I sent you last night, which you completely left out
for the Michael Lobardi interview. What his current title is
of all the things you just sent over to promote.
Speaker 5 (55:39):
Yeah, I forget what you said. I remember you called
me lead to drunk, but uh and then I basically
stopped stop reading what you had to write.
Speaker 2 (55:48):
Because I said he's the current general manager at North Carolina,
which you did not include the email.
Speaker 7 (55:52):
Yes, I did, current GM of U n C. It's
right there on the on the rundown.
Speaker 2 (55:56):
First thing on the rundown's not on the email.
Speaker 7 (55:59):
The email I sent you. It was about the book. Obviously,
we know we're going to talk about you and Lee.
What did he call?
Speaker 4 (56:04):
What did Brady call you?
Speaker 7 (56:06):
Lead a drunk? And then I stopped reading it?
Speaker 4 (56:09):
Really good, it's really good.
Speaker 2 (56:12):
Yeah, because it's so unbelievable.
Speaker 5 (56:14):
I mean, I think without saying that we were gonna
sending you information of things that you drunk.
Speaker 4 (56:20):
That's a T shirt.
Speaker 7 (56:23):
I gotta change that.
Speaker 4 (56:24):
On the zoom lead what so if he leads with
the drunk, you're out. Yeah, I'm fire. Okay, I knew
what I said.
Speaker 2 (56:33):
Don't get sensitive because I'm not all the time.
Speaker 4 (56:35):
It's fine.
Speaker 5 (56:36):
I'm not I'm not too sensitive about it. I'm just
saying I didn't I didn't know that he's the current GM.
Speaker 4 (56:41):
Of the U n C.
Speaker 2 (56:42):
It's Barney from The Simpsons. You're fine.
Speaker 8 (56:44):
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