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Speaker 1 (00:01):
Is the best of two pros and a couple Joe
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Speaker 2 (00:09):
Radio and away we go on a Thursday morning. Two
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(00:30):
appreciate you doing so as we take you all the
way up until nine am Eastern time, six o'clock Pacific.
And how the hell we feel in here on this morning?

Speaker 3 (00:38):
Good?

Speaker 2 (00:39):
Everybody fired up?

Speaker 3 (00:41):
Sure? Good?

Speaker 1 (00:43):
Yeah?

Speaker 3 (00:43):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (00:45):
We got preseason action? Good coming up later on tonight, we.

Speaker 3 (00:50):
Got preseason action, all right? Yeah yeah, once an LB,
always a LB.

Speaker 2 (00:56):
I'll tell you that, that's right. Yeah, man, people getting chippy.

Speaker 3 (01:00):
I bet you this music was playing when that was
going on.

Speaker 2 (01:04):
Yeah, what kind of music are they firing up in
training camp?

Speaker 3 (01:07):
I'm telling you that was playing this song right here.
It was playing, well, that was taking place, so little Pantera? Yeah,
why not? Yeah? Get everybody, get everybody to let they
was mosh pitting.

Speaker 2 (01:19):
Uh, this is the right about the time in training
camp or people have just about had to camp camp
camp by time. Yeah, but I was told by by
somebody in the know.

Speaker 3 (01:31):
That you can have camp by any time.

Speaker 2 (01:33):
Yeah, the camp I starts almost immediately that that's what
I had been told.

Speaker 3 (01:38):
It kind of does start immediately, does it? Like dang,
I'm in camp like some people more than others though,
Like some people, it's like you feel more bolder about
you know, when you had camp. I like, I'm want
to say something to this person, Like no, I shouldn't
say something to this person. And maybe you do, maybe
you don't. That's camp I now, the ones that the

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one that's part of it, that's that's a couple of them,
like dogs and heat. That's yeah, I mean yes, kind
of what it is. You know, you're you're there to hunt.
You're you're there, Yeah, you're there to get out there.
And sometimes you see one and it's not one that
you would ever look at twice in the street. It's

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not one that you would take any time out of
your day for. But for some strange reason, by like
week two, maybe day two, they just look way better.
It's like proposition is just way different. You know, here
we go.

Speaker 2 (02:38):
I'm just saying, it's a gas gas station food. You know,
sometimes you gotta do it, you don't want to, but
if there's nothing within one hundred miles is what it is.

Speaker 3 (02:47):
Crazy. I've never really been in the gas station food say.

Speaker 4 (02:51):
I've actually never even gas station food either. It's a
terrible analogy.

Speaker 2 (02:55):
Oh that's right. You drive a Tesla, got its, that'd
be true.

Speaker 3 (03:01):
Gotta be rich to not want to eat gas.

Speaker 5 (03:05):
Who drives a Tesla? Do you drive a Tesla?

Speaker 3 (03:07):
Arms?

Speaker 2 (03:07):
I do not, Sorry for speaking, I don't for the common.

Speaker 5 (03:10):
I drive a Forward.

Speaker 4 (03:11):
I'm not like one of those guys drove a Toyota
as well. I'm more I'm more American in that sense.
I mean I don't try to push overseas and all that.

Speaker 3 (03:20):
Yeah, I agree, Yeah, well I do have a foreign.

Speaker 4 (03:24):
Yeah, if you want to, just would be the type
of guy who would get bolt during camp.

Speaker 5 (03:28):
I feel like.

Speaker 2 (03:30):
I'd get what during camp?

Speaker 5 (03:32):
Bullied?

Speaker 3 (03:33):
Oh no, no, you played in high school?

Speaker 5 (03:36):
I mean how that how the trading camp go for you?
What do you what do you mean?

Speaker 2 (03:39):
I got lit up?

Speaker 3 (03:41):
You guys didn't haze in high school. We we You know,
I could never tell you some of the stories.

Speaker 2 (03:49):
I mean they were they were antics.

Speaker 3 (03:51):
I told you one last week, important enough a player
on the team for them to I wasn't risk it.
You know, you got to risk it on players. Yeah, yeah,
we were going nowhere fast. If I was getting playing time,
you was going nowhere fast. Third than then one's going
nowhere fast. Damn. What position did you play? Bro Wide receiver?

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No way?

Speaker 2 (04:12):
Yeah, well you had to play it was wide receiver,
defensive back, but it didn't matter.

Speaker 3 (04:17):
I can guarantee you you looked at trip running out
there on the field. Oh yeah, like, what did your
stance look like? Stand up? Let me see your stance.
Let me see I do. I want to see your stance.
You're on the line of skermage. Let me see your
s that.

Speaker 6 (04:32):
That is a quality stance right there.

Speaker 3 (04:37):
I would have got canceled if I had have told
you the first word that came to mind when you
did it.

Speaker 2 (04:43):
Yeah, yeah, it wasn't.

Speaker 5 (04:44):
That was that was kind of where I was going
with I. I feel like you would have gotten beat.

Speaker 3 (04:48):
Up a little. I'm getting canceled if I say what
that looked like?

Speaker 2 (04:51):
Now I'm doing the beating up bowling the ring. You
guys would last ten seconds in.

Speaker 3 (04:55):
My world who were getting beat up?

Speaker 7 (04:57):
Yeah, yeah, that The only thing I'll camp idea is
training camp is not what it used to be.

Speaker 4 (05:10):
You know, we were three days in high school. Like
I remember going away for a week to a D
three school called Ohio Wesleyan. We had three days, like
in the middle of the summer, the heat, staying in
dorms with no air conditioning and you'd bring a fan
and pray to God that got cool enough at night
you could fall asleep. But like I remember those days
of like just training camp, we had too a day,

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two a day, two a day. I mean, as I
got older, that stuff went away. I think by the
time I got to the NFL was two a day,
one a day. But there weren't like restrictions like there was,
you know, at least initially, like I remember training camp.
You'd be able to go back to back to back
to back, at least in college, and that started to
get softened up over time. But by the by the

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time I started in the NFL to the time I finished,
training camp was drastically different. I mean, I mean I
remember going to the trading camp with the Dolphins in
twenty fourteen, and they're like, you know, they're so obsessed
with hydration. Every time you're going the bathroom, they're testing
your you know, hydration levels with your urine. I'm like, dude,
this was not like this when I first got the

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Cleveland and I was seven, Like there was never a
focus on that, and even entirely different in college. It
was almost like if you needed water, you're a woos
So I just I think about how much things have changed.
I wonder if the Camp I exist the way it
used to. You guys had really guys who were really
gassed up, who were really.

Speaker 3 (06:35):
Just I'm gonna tell you what.

Speaker 5 (06:36):
We got the mouth an opportunity.

Speaker 3 (06:38):
I want to tell you what makes the camp worse
now than what it probably was then for us is
that Camp I was purely based off of what was
in front of you. Like you got Camp I because
it's like I'm away from normal society, so whatever, Like

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if it's a trainer, somebody, if it's right, if it's
if it's a trainer and a t if it's the
person in the cafeteria or the person that's that's printing
dittos and and and papers. Is is it the photographer?
Like at some point cats be ready to start blanking

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out at anything moving. If it's the person cutting the lawn,
you're like, oh, look, look she's cutting the lawn. Like, damn,
that's a good line right there. Like I think I
would give her a compliment. Hey buddy, you're doing a
great job, like keep it up. It's camp I. And
the reason why I think CAMPI is worse now is

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because it's not limited to what's right in front of
your face. You probably get you probably get social media
camp I, and you'll go after people, you will slide
in DMS, you'll make poor decisions on what you're doing
with your social because point you got CAMPI.

Speaker 5 (07:57):
That's a great point.

Speaker 3 (07:58):
So I will.

Speaker 4 (08:00):
And I wasn't factoring the the ease of you know that,
like actually going through the U yep, swipe here, yeah,
slide wipe, yes, M here watching watching Jonas and and
and lead play around with that that whole site.

Speaker 3 (08:17):
The other day I was like, man, that's a campus site.
That's one hundred percent of campus wipe. Like, imagine if
you had a a readily available dating app or let's
let's what y'all call it Let's hook up app? And
you're in training camp? Oh your your camp Your camp
I is on one hundred per fire mode. It's a

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fire sale. Like you're in danger if you're a camp
I type of guy. There's an app called that what can.

Speaker 4 (08:47):
No?

Speaker 3 (08:47):
Let's hook up should be a should be a site
and camp I should be also should be a site.
They should both be dating site.

Speaker 2 (08:54):
Did you start that up?

Speaker 3 (08:56):
A campus I can't do everything? Man?

Speaker 2 (08:58):
Why not?

Speaker 3 (08:58):
That's just can. I don't have the bandwidth to do
all of these things. But that is a hell of
a concept, and somebody's probably writing it down right now,
like they're right, we should do it. App called camp
I because all across America you will have football players
or basketball players, anyone that goes into a camp situation

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and they're going to use it. And then camp I
turns in the camp D. Yeah yeah, there you go. Well,
and camp D is way more dangerous than camp I
camp I. Camp is all about the action of looking
and wondering. Camp D is like, yeah, it's like it's
like windows shopping. That's the closest thing.

Speaker 5 (09:41):
It's two.

Speaker 4 (09:42):
It's like windows shopping where it's close to Christmas. You
got to you gotta make a decision at some point.
You know you're really itching to get something done here
to bring it back and uh.

Speaker 8 (09:53):
Well eventually you're like, well, I guess this'll do. That's
cam d there you got this to do that the
purchase where he just said, I gotta make the purchase.
This will do that. That's transition thing.

Speaker 4 (10:10):
It's like I I gotta right, I gotta get this
all right, there I go, there, you go, there, you go.

Speaker 2 (10:20):
Well station fo Yeah, well, well listen, I do know
this that there's some camp blood in New England and
it's Mike Rabels because a skirmish broke out there was
a joint practice between the Commanders and the Patriots yesterday
and Mike Rabel got involved, got a little bloodied and

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his quarterback Drake May talked about it afterwards.

Speaker 3 (10:44):
That's what we're trying to build, I think. And it
starts with the coach.

Speaker 9 (10:46):
Starts to the head coach, the intensity, bring it every day,
you know, takeing no crap and you know we're out
there on the field. But also it comes to a
time where with our guys offensively and get over there
and get some tussles and kind of have some penalties
and extra halfter the whistle, you can get some trouble.

Speaker 3 (10:59):
But I like it.

Speaker 2 (11:00):
I think that's what you want.

Speaker 9 (11:01):
I mean, I almost got in there, but I think
maybe another day maybe, So we'll see.

Speaker 2 (11:05):
Uh, Mike Rable is going to end up bailing Bob
Craft out because Robert Craft was on a downward slide
towards Hey, I'm the guy. Now Belichick's gone, Tom Brady's gone,
and they were starting to trickle downward. Mike Rabel's going
to be there, turn the fortunes around to that franchise
and they're going to be a borderline playoff team this year.

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The Patriots all because he got bloodied up fight, he's changed.
Everything has changed there. You don't feel different about that.

Speaker 3 (11:34):
You do know that the last coach was a linebacker
that was a tough, smart heart nos linebacker that was
no nonsense type of dude.

Speaker 2 (11:44):
He didn't get bloodied up.

Speaker 3 (11:45):
Yeah, come on, bro, draw Mao is like, that's a
brown ass man. Bro.

Speaker 4 (11:51):
I didn't see no one, no one's no one's you know,
questioning Dray's toughness as a player. But in the year
he was there, he also did not jump into one
of those there is that.

Speaker 5 (12:01):
That is true.

Speaker 3 (12:03):
That is true.

Speaker 5 (12:04):
I will say this to Jonas's.

Speaker 3 (12:06):
Point from the norm, Huh.

Speaker 4 (12:08):
It feels it feels like something's different in New England.
You know, if you actually go through since you know
Tom Brady's left, defensively, they haven't been bad. They've hung
in there like they've actually still been a solid defensive team.
I mean sometimes they've gotten one down because you know,
offensively they've struggled, but the defense has been with the

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one consistent factor. And if you go back to the
Tennessee Titans and the runs that they made where they
were successful or make it to the AFC Championship game,
it was a ground game and a defensive led team,
and I think those components are there right now. While
Drake May continues to develop and if he develops into
the player, I think he's capable of being that combination

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can win. That combination could be the second best team
in the NFC East. And that that's why I think,
like Jonas is pointing to, is it's not just the
fact that you know he's jumping in there. I think
he's able to win over a team, to get players
to play for him. I think with Drod Mayo, you know,
part of what was a struggle last year a bit

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was it almost felt like he was trying to discover
who he was as a head coach. He was trying
to figure that out while it was going on. And
by the way, I think a lot of head coaches
in the NFL for their first time are stuck in
that and even harder for the guys who you know,
came from a place with a legend like Bill Belichick,

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because what are you always going to revert back to, Well,
what would Bill do? You know, what what did Bill do?
It's like, well, you know whatever Bill did at least
during New England. Yeah, Tom Brady like it was like, well,
maybe it wasn't the best decision, but you know, Tom,
figure out, build us out. You don't have that luxury
when you're somewhere else. And I think that's the difficulty,

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at least that's what it was for Drod Mayo. I
think Mike Vrabel's different because he's had success, he's won
elsewhere at least to get to a conference championship game,
and he's able to be able to build a team
the way he sees fit. Does he bring things from
Bill Belichick. Sure, but I also think he's his own man.
And that's an example of that is him jumping in
there to basically try to break something up. Maybe he

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was looking for something too, you know, maybe he's got
a little bit of that Camp high.

Speaker 5 (14:22):
Then he's a little bit uh you know, turned up there.

Speaker 2 (14:27):
He's the best hire of the off season. Everyone's talking
like Ben Johnson's getting all the headlines and all the coverage.
I think Vrabel's the best hire of the off season.
And they've spent I think the second most in free agency,
Like they got aggressive this year. And look, I don't
know if there's enough around Drake may to where he's
gonna light it up. And let's just holl if that
Stefan Diggs, can you know, stay off the two C

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and you know he doesn't have this Wow, Well.

Speaker 3 (14:51):
We found out more and more dudes was high playing.
Why why stay off of it?

Speaker 1 (14:56):
All? Right?

Speaker 3 (14:57):
Well, then if I'm guys was drinking before games, taking shots.
Some guys was smoking before games. Like everybody's getting so
liberated and liberal about how they talk about things they
did now that they're not active players. But I had
no idea so many dudes had those types of habits
going into games. Like I just saw a clip on

(15:18):
Sean Kimp said he was high every game, everybody. Yeah,
I just saw that. I just saw the.

Speaker 4 (15:24):
Clip, Like I knew a guy who was habitually high, practice, game, everything.

Speaker 5 (15:28):
And by the way, he was really consistent.

Speaker 2 (15:31):
Yeah, I mean, yes, Phil one of the great kickers
of all time.

Speaker 4 (15:37):
I'm not advocating for this in any fashion or form,
but I think he felt most comfortable. And look, maybe
it was like dealing with some anxiety that comes with
sure playing as an NFL mad.

Speaker 3 (15:47):
He was stepping in front of sixty thousand people, Yeah you.

Speaker 4 (15:51):
Got it or yeah, and and maybe it was a
portion of that. Maybe it was a portion of pain
management too. But one thing that when I've talked to
guys about this subject, guys have always said, I just
want to feel consistently the same. And it sounds completely
completely jacked up, But if if that's how they get

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there and they are able to perform at a high
enough level consistently, I can kind of understand it.

Speaker 5 (16:19):
And I'm like, all right, if that's what you need
to do to get.

Speaker 4 (16:22):
Ready, and that's how you play your best or most consistent,
all right, you know, as long as it's not going
to mess things up, and and for this player, it
didn't mess things up. Never dropped the ball, like, was
as consistent of a pass catcher as anyone I've I've
ever seen.

Speaker 3 (16:36):
That's uh, you know, I'm joking. But but here's what
I will say. Well, he's dec DC guy. Definitely was
probably puffing though.

Speaker 4 (16:52):
He's got I promise, I'll promise you this.

Speaker 5 (16:56):
It was not. It was neither of the two.

Speaker 3 (16:57):
Just I say he was always high, But I'm just
saying I ain't saying that he wasn't rolling up with
split for two. I love you're a vicious man. I mean,
Joe could have been Joe definitely. Joe might have been
extra extracurricular from from that anyways, the point I'm making it,
I mean, and I think you well, he was my

(17:20):
teammate in at Penn State. Yeah yeah, yeah, No, he's
older than me. I was a freshman his last year.

Speaker 4 (17:28):
I would have to be on a college team with
him because I would love to see what he was
like as like.

Speaker 3 (17:33):
A we had a ton of characters on on that
ninety seventeen Like Curtis Enis was on that team. I
know you'd be an Ohio guy. You know about Kurt
I saw him recently, did you. He's yeah in South Florida,
big dude. Now, bro, like you'd be like, hey, so
you played, huh oh, what will you right guard? Like

(17:54):
that's that's inflated. Big Kirk got a little bit bigger.
But let me tell you something. You want to talk
about one of the most impressively built dudes when they
was an active player. That dude looked like that somebody
went up to a big black piece of granite and
just literally chiseled him out of it. Like I've never

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seen a dude so chiseled before. I've seen dudes ripped
up like Cordell Mitchell, one of our running backs. That
dude had literally had negative one body fat, like his
muscles had muscles, and he was ripped. But he went
and like Kurt, looked like a freaking like one of
them type of warriors they made for like Lord of

(18:36):
the Rings or something like that, Like he was he
was on the bad guy side and they was coming
to get the ring like he was built like that,
and the dude ran like that. Anyway, point I'm making
it was a lot of personalities on that team, and
Joe Jervish's was one of them, and that was a
cool team. We were ranked number one preseason in fact,

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But back to my point, I think what rapes, I
think the belief, the collective belief is because he was
able to do what he was able to do in
Tennessee with that team. I think the belief in how
he does things. Maybe in proper context, maybe you're right.
You know, Jurii Mayo may have been trying to figure

(19:18):
out who he was as a coach, because coaching will
force you to do that because you have to deal
with so many different personalities. Unless you're in that position
where you have to try to figure out what that
balance is when you're trying to create a culture. It's
very complicated in some regards because in building a culture,

(19:38):
you do have to find a way to make that connection.
Some people have more grace or have more credibility, so
the things they do they made Vrabel might be doing
the same exact things Juri Mayo is doing. I mean
they were in the same system. They came up in
the same system, even though Rabes played for a different
team before he played for the Page. But Nonetheless, they

(20:01):
both played a good bit of their time underneath Bill Belichick.
Gerard spent time coaching with Bill Belichick. I almost feel like,
in context or out of context, it's like, oh, Girod
Mayo's being a bully. Uh, he's not connecting with the
players and this and that is there the possibility that
the players weren't connecting with him because there might have

(20:21):
been a lack of trust or a lack of belief
because he doesn't have that type of reputation, He doesn't
have the body of work that that a Mike Grabel
comes in with. So I just feel like it's kind
of interesting. And the reason why I bring this up
as a point is I'm not so sure that it
all changes because you have Mike Rabel. I'm not so
sure this becomes a top rated team, a team that's

(20:44):
going to win because of Mike Rabel being the coach there.
In context, sure, it sounds good. He got into the fight,
he was in the mix of it, trying to break
it up, he comes out bloody. It's a great feel
good story. But I just think I think it's beat
I think it's east in context.

Speaker 4 (21:01):
Then in context that then ten toes down this team.
I bet this team finishes second the division.

Speaker 3 (21:10):
I bet you this team finishes with less than double
digit wins.

Speaker 5 (21:15):
The sticks picked. That's so that's such a bad deal.
But let's pick where they Let's pick where they finished
in the division.

Speaker 3 (21:22):
So you got Miami, you got Tennessee over under.

Speaker 5 (21:26):
Draft, Tennessee's Jets, Miami and Buffalo and New England.

Speaker 3 (21:31):
Yeah, Buffalo will win it, Miami will come in second. Okay,
there you got who's those third? It's for you to
pick that. Know, I'm saying Tennessee and the Jets. Yeah,
I mean no, come on.

Speaker 5 (21:44):
No, who is it? New England and the Jets?

Speaker 3 (21:47):
Right, That's what I'm saying. That's those are the last
two remaining.

Speaker 5 (21:50):
You keep saying Tennessee, Tennessee's Nancy.

Speaker 3 (21:52):
I keep saying Tennessee.

Speaker 5 (21:53):
I meant to say, I know the a f C
South is the division you did not pick last year
with the visions.

Speaker 2 (22:00):
Nashville is the suburb right outside Boston. All right, everybody relaxed.

Speaker 3 (22:04):
I meant to say New England. But they're both irrelevant
and and one is connected to the other because rabel
is the head coach of both teams. Here's where my
my head is what some I have no problem putting
it on pole humps y'all won't do you go, y'all
won't want y'all would have been some pump pole humping
mother efforts if y'all took the bet right now, I

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gave y'all.

Speaker 4 (22:26):
Right, now, okay, we did this. They finished second, Jets.
I'm betting they finished second.

Speaker 3 (22:30):
They will finish.

Speaker 5 (22:31):
Humps on it.

Speaker 3 (22:32):
Here's what's crazy. They will finish.

Speaker 2 (22:35):
Put five on it.

Speaker 3 (22:36):
They will finish last, because I think the Jets will
actually be somewhat better.

Speaker 5 (22:40):
Put five on it.

Speaker 3 (22:41):
Okay, five pole hum?

Speaker 2 (22:43):
You think the Patriots is going to be last in
that division?

Speaker 3 (22:45):
I'll take that.

Speaker 5 (22:47):
Okay, there we go. Now we're talking. Okay, now we're talking.

Speaker 3 (22:50):
I think they end up last.

Speaker 4 (22:51):
So all the all the Pats have to do is
finish better than last.

Speaker 3 (22:55):
No, No, the bet is is that they won't finish second.
The bet is that they won't hold hold on, hold on,
I'm making the bowl. They'll probably finished last, but they're
not gonna second.

Speaker 5 (23:07):
Let's make sure we get this right.

Speaker 3 (23:08):
Yeah.

Speaker 5 (23:09):
I'm not betting that they won't finished because then if
they finished.

Speaker 4 (23:12):
First, some in some world where they would beat Buffalo,
then that also would fall in the category if you
wouldn't win.

Speaker 3 (23:19):
That, that's that well, listen.

Speaker 4 (23:22):
Yeah, we'll go break. We'll figure this out. We're gonna break.
We'll figure this out on the other side of it.
Does that sound good?

Speaker 3 (23:30):
That's fine? All right, let's do it. Let's get bloody,
let's let's get let's get into the scrum. So camp
as camp de So what started out is camp I
ended up in stix picks. This is a hell of
a segment here.

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on this three hour extravaganza. But up next, we're gonna
get to the bottom of this bet, all right, because

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some people here are provable provable, some people are not.
We're gonna get to the bottom as to whether or
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comes to the New England Patriots, it's yours here on FSR.

Speaker 3 (24:20):
Camp By Camp, I camp by camp, Brady's got it,
got that camp I, I tell all of them, I
get that camp I break it up, break it down
camp by CAMPI Brady's CAMPI Brandy's CAMPI Jonas camp d
I made love to a strip of.

Speaker 5 (24:41):
Yes he did.

Speaker 3 (24:43):
Yeah, first you have to tip, you did?

Speaker 5 (24:45):
She said, I'm not quipon Quipan.

Speaker 3 (24:48):
They already they say, Lorena coming, he comes like a storm.
Uh uh uh huh. I bet you Lorena is a
big tipper one hundred percent. I think that this.

Speaker 6 (25:01):
Is not It only takes fourteen singles.

Speaker 3 (25:04):
That's it. Heck yeah, what is that?

Speaker 6 (25:08):
And they still come to me?

Speaker 3 (25:09):
Did they still come to you?

Speaker 2 (25:11):
Dang, you worked at a restaurant, right, yes, yeah, if
you've ever worked at a restaurant, you're a big tipper.
Just kind of know that world. Then there's something she
just said. She rolls with fourteen to a strip club.
I mean, why go in there if you're only going
in there with fourteen singles?

Speaker 3 (25:29):
What? Please tell me what the plan is with fourteen singles.

Speaker 6 (25:33):
You find the ones giving them all away, man, and
you give her all fourteen of your.

Speaker 3 (25:36):
Ones, like singularly, yeah, make it rain. No, you can't
make it rain with fourteen singles?

Speaker 2 (25:45):
Could the lightings?

Speaker 3 (25:46):
Right?

Speaker 1 (25:46):
No?

Speaker 3 (25:46):
You cannot. What do you mean that it is impossible? Well,
here's as well throw Here's what Jonas dimes add. Jonas
goes and picks them up after he throws the downs. Correct,
you know he's he's.

Speaker 5 (25:57):
Breaking them up. You know he's picking up quick. That's
that's throwing it out there.

Speaker 2 (26:01):
That's the movie showing this.

Speaker 3 (26:02):
Throws them at his computer while he's holding the mouse
with his right hand.

Speaker 2 (26:06):
You're right, left hand, you're right, yeah, I'm not good there.

Speaker 5 (26:11):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (26:11):
You just you throw them up in the air and
then as soon as they go to grab me, just go.
He's got a gun and then you just scoop all.

Speaker 10 (26:17):
Back up and you take the first stripper I fell
in love with who got my fourteen dollars?

Speaker 6 (26:21):
Is also tattooed on my ankle.

Speaker 3 (26:24):
I'm sorry, so you know it's very awkward.

Speaker 5 (26:27):
Would you say the first stripper you felt like?

Speaker 7 (26:29):
That?

Speaker 3 (26:29):
May be that may be a story.

Speaker 6 (26:31):
Curly hair oh my god.

Speaker 3 (26:34):
Anyways, yes, that may not that may not be the
story we want to hear.

Speaker 2 (26:37):
What do you mean her name or picture or what like?

Speaker 6 (26:41):
Her image? Her likeness in a stick figure stripper? Yes, she.

Speaker 3 (26:46):
You were so you guys extend Nazi? That wasn't it's inspired?
That was y'all had a moment. Huh. Y'all had a moment,
a lot of moments. Yeah, memorable moments.

Speaker 6 (26:57):
For fourteen dollars.

Speaker 3 (26:58):
That's crazy, man, cheaper in a movie. I mean, why
couldn't you just round it off to fifteen? Like, why fourteen?
What's the significance of fourteen? I'm just I'm confused.

Speaker 6 (27:11):
That was just what we decided on that night.

Speaker 3 (27:14):
All right, it's interesting. Okay, that's interesting.

Speaker 2 (27:18):
I had no clue that was going to take that turn.

Speaker 3 (27:20):
But yeah, that one threw me off. I ain't gonna lie.
I mean, just when I thought it couldn't get any
more bizarre, Then we go to a tattoo of her
on the ankle. That's uh wow, Well okay, there you go.

Speaker 2 (27:36):
Yeah, let mean, let's see it, right, I mean, have
you posted that on your ig.

Speaker 10 (27:39):
For uh uh No, I don't think I have posted
my sick figure stripper. I'll show you guys in the break.

Speaker 3 (27:45):
I think you need to show it to us. Now,
come on, come show it to us. Now, give a
little un let's let's get a look at this. Let's
get it in segment view of this this stripper that
you fell in love with.

Speaker 2 (27:57):
It is two pros and a cup of Joe. Here
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right now. She's hiking up get in the middle of

(28:17):
her her bell bottom in between us yoga pants, and
she's trying to show us this. Oh that's tiny, all kids, please,
that looks like the Blair witch stick.

Speaker 3 (28:30):
Please.

Speaker 2 (28:31):
That's like you were playing Hangman and you stop midway through.

Speaker 3 (28:36):
It looks like Lee did the did the tattoo. So
I'll say you did not need a tattoo artist for
that one, Lorena. That was one uh.

Speaker 2 (28:52):
Online, no, no, no, God, So Brady can see it. Yeah, no,
I'm not Please yeah.

Speaker 3 (28:56):
If that's the likeness of the stripper you fell in
love with, I'm just you know, no, I don't it
looks straight like a witch hair. Yeah that's not I mean, yeah, no,
I don't buy that one. But I'm not that looks
like that looks like the new image that goes on
women's bathrooms. What it looks like women enter here. You

(29:21):
got to be more clear with that stuff these days. Yeah,
did you see it? Q? Did you see it?

Speaker 5 (29:29):
I've not seen it.

Speaker 3 (29:30):
You're not seeing it. It's not come three. I mean,
you're not missing much. You're not You're not missing much.
That that that is a very short story. It's yeah,
that's just one of the something that's just one of
the worst things to say that this is the reason
why I got it. If you're saying based off of real.

Speaker 5 (29:48):
Quick, what age did you get that tattoo at?

Speaker 3 (29:53):
And how old was the tattoo artist? The same age?

Speaker 2 (29:55):
I think?

Speaker 6 (29:56):
Okay, hold on, hold on?

Speaker 5 (29:59):
Is that long?

Speaker 6 (30:00):
It was at least it was at least eight years ago,
so good.

Speaker 10 (30:03):
It is at least two years ago, And it was
I went to the Fits the Fritz in Anaheim. That's
the that's the strip club I went to and then
I got the tattoo when I went to Vegas a
few months later.

Speaker 2 (30:15):
Yes, you were so inspired you waited months.

Speaker 10 (30:17):
Yeah, I had to design what we wanted, so you
had to design that.

Speaker 2 (30:21):
Tell me you design, and.

Speaker 10 (30:22):
My friend put two different So mine's in one position
on the pole and his is in a different position
on the pole.

Speaker 3 (30:28):
But same same girl is is in a different position.

Speaker 6 (30:32):
And uh, yes, I have matching sticks figure tattoos.

Speaker 3 (30:37):
All right? Did you have a relationship with him as well?
Was this like a group thing?

Speaker 7 (30:45):
Group?

Speaker 6 (30:45):
Enough?

Speaker 3 (30:48):
All right, y'all clearly was on on something because that
that stick figure is not it? I think she's cute,
the stick figure. Yes, that's why you put it where
no one can see that bad boy?

Speaker 6 (31:04):
Thank yeah?

Speaker 3 (31:04):
Okay, all right, well there we go. Let's let's talk some.

Speaker 2 (31:08):
Well, here's what we can see Shadoor Sanders this weekend
in the NFL. All right, Shadoor Sanders getting a start
for the Cleveland Browns. Everybody's excited he'll take on the
Carolina Panthers, and uh, people are really fired up about this.
But people are also concerned. Somebody that's concerned about the

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whole situation is one Lewis Riddick of ESPN, who said
this about Shudor's opportunity.

Speaker 11 (31:35):
I'm afraid he's gonna get on the field in preseason
games without a lot of practice reps, and then they're
going to ask him to perform these heroic tasks in
order to prove that he's worthy of being a starter
when he hasn't had enough rep to really get comfortable.
That's the kind of battle he's dealing with right now.

Speaker 3 (31:49):
I know.

Speaker 1 (31:50):
I've seen it.

Speaker 11 (31:51):
We've been in these camps. We know how that goes.
You don't get enough reps. They play a whole half
of a game, and then all of a sudden, coaches
are going, why are you making that mistake? Why aren't
you making that check?

Speaker 3 (32:00):
Damn coach.

Speaker 2 (32:00):
I never was in there in practice.

Speaker 11 (32:02):
You never even talked to me during practice, But now
you expect me to know. That's what they're gonna expect
of him. But if anyone can get it done, it's
this kid, because he's been trained the right way. But
I'm telling you, he is ice skating uphill.

Speaker 3 (32:14):
So that is Lewis RIDDICKO.

Speaker 4 (32:15):
Yeah, So this is such a long departure from the
truth and the reality, and what pains me about a
take like this? And I heard this and I literally
thought to myself, it's a lie, Like I want everyone
out there to know.

Speaker 5 (32:32):
That is one of the biggest lies.

Speaker 4 (32:33):
It's one of the biggest reasons why people get frustrated
with ESPN's content is because they have people who go
on TV and they say things that literally.

Speaker 5 (32:42):
Are not true. Let's just start off with this fact.

Speaker 4 (32:46):
Has it ever changed for a rookie that he wasn't
gonna get enough reps before they go into a preseason
game in the history, in the history of the NFL draft,
Like that's always been the case. Like when you're drafted
as a rookie, you never or very seldom, I would say,
what point zero one percent of the time, Maybe you're

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like a cam Ward, which even cam Ward, up to
a point this offseason, who is the number one overall pick,
was quote unquote battling with Will Levis, So even he
wasn't getting every single rep to prepare him for the
first preseason game. But every single player isn't getting every
single rep to prepare them for every single scenario.

Speaker 5 (33:29):
And by the.

Speaker 4 (33:29):
Way, that's okay. Like when you become a backup or
if shoud Door Sanders ends up being the backup, do
you think he's gonna get every single reped in the
course of the season to prepare him for every scenario
when he goes into a game.

Speaker 5 (33:42):
No, that's like.

Speaker 4 (33:44):
Part of the job. So I would look at it
this way. One, Like the scenario he's playing out is
such a long departure from the truth for every single rookie,
not just Shad Door Sanders, which is what I hate
about him actually saying this on TV and anyone giving
it any credibility. The second thing is Picket's been out

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with the hamstring injury, Gabriel's been out with the hamstring injury.
Flacco has been mixing in with reps. Two, they've all
kind of shared reps. So in reality of all of
the quarterback situations, just because there's a lot of bodies
there and actually doesn't mean at all that shedor Sanders
hasn't got a fair amount of reps and all sorts
of different types of situations. The next thing that's stepped

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two is it's preseason.

Speaker 3 (34:29):
There you go.

Speaker 4 (34:30):
Everyone understands that there's going to be mistakes made. Everyone
understands there's gonna be a learning curve. There's gonna be
adjustment to the speed of the game, and there's a
lot that comes along with that. No one comes back
from a preseason game completely chewing guys out. They're trying
to teach, they're trying to get them to learn. They're
trying to see improvement from game one to game two
to game three, when they then will have to make

(34:53):
a decision. It used to be until game four when
a lot of those rookies, young guys got to play
a half of football. You know, they got to play
the two minute drive going into halftime. They got to
do the coming out series in the third quarter, where
you make adjustments, you script off some starters to go
with and try to build.

Speaker 5 (35:09):
Momentum like that.

Speaker 4 (35:11):
So, like, I sit here and I listen to this,
and I go I get people's frustration with ESPN's content
because it feels like they're just throwing stuff out the
wall to say stuff to try to get a reaction.

Speaker 5 (35:23):
In reality, it's so far from the truth.

Speaker 4 (35:26):
And also like talking about well, he's been Yeah, he's
played a lot of college football. He's been a start
at Jacksonville State. He's obviously been a start of called
out of for a couple of years. He's got a
lot of experience. Like he's started more games. Okay, he
started more games at this point. If you look at
college in comparison or over the last five years, he

(35:49):
started more games than Trey Lance. He'd probably go back
to his high school days. He started more games over
Anthony Richardson and when he started one season at Florida
and a handful of games since then Indianapolis. It's not
like he doesn't have actual starting experience, granted at the
college level, but running multiple offenses in multiple places and

(36:10):
being successful doing so, so like it's almost like he's
building this thing up to protect him for like whatever
criticism may come. It's preseason. Yeah, it's ridiculous. I mean,
I'll put it this way. The first preseason game I
ever got into. Do you want to know when I
got to go into the game fourth quarter, I was
running a two minute drill the entire time, and people

(36:31):
were like, Oh, it's because the hold on everything else,
you know why I was able to execute. I think
we went down for like two separate touchdown drives, did
two separate touchdown passes because I'd been there for ots
in mini camp. I didn't miss Jack Squat and Shador's
been there for OTAs In mini camp, it's trandy. Camp
is just a rehearsal of the same stuff you already had.

(36:51):
So to sit there and say that is an absolute lie,
and he knows it. Like these coaches work with players,
they try to build up players.

Speaker 5 (36:59):
It's entirely different.

Speaker 4 (37:02):
God of the days where you've got these organizations that
bring a guy in or spend a draft pick on them,
and they just push them the wayside, they don't talk
to them. That is such a long departure from how
any culture is build on any team anymore.

Speaker 3 (37:14):
Most guys move with camp. During the first game of
the preseason year, anyway, you're looking at the cheerleaders, You're
looking into the stands. You're trying to see what you
can see. Did anybody come to see you so you
can see them? So y'all can see each other and
look at each other back and forth. That's what preseason
is really about, especially the first game, last game. I mean,

(37:34):
let's be clear, you're not going I was being funny though,
You're not going into a game game planning in the
first game of the year. So to even put that
type of weight on it. I would say this is
the one time where you would say you want to
see a rookie play really well because it's going to

(37:55):
be a vanilla approach to the game. You're going in
there generally with a limited amount of plays that you're
going to use, so you don't open up the playbook
as to what it is you're going to do and
what you're going to be when you get to the
regular season. Those are the things you work on in practice,
not in the game. So it's not even a prepared
depth chart. There's no scouting report, there's no nothing for

(38:18):
game one in preseason, so there's no reason to have
put that. I can understand lewis putting the pressure on
it to say, Okay, this kid is going to be
measured and judged at a different level than any other
quarterback that's a rookie in this situation. Maybe he's right,
maybe he's wrong. It's not a horrible assessment, But what

(38:41):
I will say is is to automatically say, well, he
hasn't been in position to be successful. I tend to agree.
I think that is an overstated way of approaching it,
because again, for one, you're not game planning him. So
it's not like you're going to roll coverages and disguise
coverages and do certain things to try to confuse them

(39:04):
and bring pressures from different spots on the field. You're
not going to show those aspects of your defense because
you don't want to put that on film. You do
not want an organization being able to take that and
add that to their scouting report. Okay, when they do
this and they walk him down, they generally are blitzing

(39:25):
from here. Oh, this is a trigger blitz type of situation.
I have the back here, We're going to run an RPO.
I see this that that linebacker is triggered. You know,
he's triggering. He's rushing based off of what the running
back is doing. If you're giving offensive coordinators that type
of film and week one of the preseason, you probably

(39:47):
won't have a coaching job very long. So to me,
you come into this game, you have the opportunity to
dink and dunk, do do vanilla things, maybe even take
a chance, you know, maybe even take a chance, take
some risk, because at the end of the day, if
it doesn't go right, all it is is a practice.
It's a glorified at practice. Against another team.

Speaker 2 (40:08):
What's the downside? A week ago, the conversation was, he's
not gonna get enough opportunities. There's too many guys there.
He's fourth string, he's this, he's that. Now a week later,
because of injuries, he's getting a chance to start their first.

Speaker 3 (40:20):
Preseason You already saying stuff that that justifies if he
doesn't play well.

Speaker 2 (40:25):
Like this is all good.

Speaker 5 (40:27):
I don't know exactly.

Speaker 2 (40:28):
I don't get it.

Speaker 5 (40:29):
And that's the other thing.

Speaker 4 (40:31):
Is he gonna be more heavily scrutinized than cam Ward
who's their starter going into the season. There really is
no other option. Is he going to be more scrutinized
than Tyler Shuck who they drafted in the second round
of New Orleans And it's either between Spencer rather j
Canner or Tyler Shuck. No, because those fans are looking
at and being critical of the guys who are already
gonna be thrust it into that week one starting role.

(40:54):
I mean, Joe Flacco is not gonna play at least
not in this preseason game, maybe not at all this preseason.
Who knows, because started going in Week one, he's number
one the depth chart. Now that's not going to change.
This is really about whether or not Shador will be
second third string depend on how this.

Speaker 5 (41:07):
Is going to work, and so it's all upside.

Speaker 4 (41:10):
This entire thing is completely upside for Shador to go
in there and play well. So I just I sit
there and I listen to stuff like this and I go, yeah,
I get it. I get why people are concerned with
ESPN acquiring a lot of the NFL media properties an
ESPN red zone and people saying like they're going to
ruin it because they do. Like they put people on

(41:31):
who have takes like this that are just factually not true.

Speaker 3 (41:35):
You know, it's interesting to me, and I'll leave it
here at this that you know, Stephen Ay made the
ridiculous comment and assertion that that Shador Sanders was comparable
in ways to Colin Kaepernick, and I, you know, I
came out and said what I had to say about it.
I thought it was a ridiculous assertion and that it

(41:56):
shouldn't be comparable. Let the young men play ball, don't
turns into like this racial thing where he doesn't get
an opportunity. But when you have moments like these, when
the media drives the narrative home that he's been set
up and he's been put in a position where he
can't succeed. It does kind of take on that that

(42:18):
feeling of he's going to be mortared? Is that the
right way it's saying it, Martyred, that they're going to
put him in a situation where nothing he does will
be him having to be accountable for it. And so
when you look at it, while you're you're correct and saying, well,

(42:38):
you know, the shucks and the war should get all
of the scrutiny, what's going to happen is is who's
ever starting for Cleveland is going to get all the
scrutiny because the scrutiny is connected to what is happening
with Shador Sanders. Because it actually grades out as a
more interesting, more polarizing, more click bait, more more headline

(43:02):
grabbing story as to what is the trajectory of Shador Sanders,
When are we going to see Shador Sanders? That's going
to be the over I can guarantee you one of
the overwhelmingly strong storylines that will be in this season
will be what is the progress of Shador Sanders? Where

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is Shador Sanders?

Speaker 1 (43:25):
Now?

Speaker 3 (43:25):
All of that pressure now creates the what is Cleveland doing,
how is that starting quarterback playing? What is their record?
What's justified to say that there's now the moment in
time where you have to entertain what you're going to
do with Shador Sanders. I do believe that will be
one of the top three top five storylines all season long.

Speaker 2 (43:47):
Have you guys heard anything about Jalen Milroe this offseason?

Speaker 1 (43:50):
No?

Speaker 3 (43:50):
Really, not since since.

Speaker 5 (43:55):
Rookie Miniquiev. You know, people were kind of hyping them up,
and now you haven't.

Speaker 3 (43:59):
Really.

Speaker 4 (44:00):
Although that being said, have you heard anything about anything
much out in Seattle?

Speaker 2 (44:04):
It's just but like should like that's all the conversation
is all surrounding Shador Sanders, And now you got people
sort of you know, laying the nest down for a
for a soft landing, just in case he struggles.

Speaker 3 (44:18):
It's just that's cloud chasing too, right, Like it's cloud Okay, let's.

Speaker 4 (44:23):
Let's pull back the curtain. We've worked in TV, we
know how this works. They come up with a list
of topics. I mean, you were in radio right now
and people will sit there and say, well, what are
we going to talk about? What's going to grab the attention?
Like I was just at a college football NFL seminar
for Fox, and one of the things Fox does an incredible.

Speaker 5 (44:40):
Job of is they do surveys.

Speaker 4 (44:42):
They take a lot of the data and research behind
how people are consuming their content, whether that's in broadcast television,
cable television, digitally. And what was most fascinating about it
is who do you think was the most recognized figure
in college football last year?

Speaker 3 (45:03):
Shador Sanders well coach but oh coach?

Speaker 5 (45:07):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, by far and away.

Speaker 11 (45:10):
Ye.

Speaker 4 (45:11):
Now here's the here's the interesting thing of the survey
they took. It was about sixty four percent of fans
that were college football fans could identify Dan and identify them.

Speaker 5 (45:19):
It's called at as head coach.

Speaker 4 (45:21):
So as you start to break these things down, you
realize that, like all right, like you know, people followed them,
they saw them, They had this kind of idea of
of you know, who called out it was who Shador
was because of that really because of his dad. But
I kind of keep going going back to this, is
they're talking about it because it will grab people's attention

(45:43):
because you know, he's recognizable, and and you know Shador
is recognizable because he's Dion's son and and so when
you look at how they're creating something to talk about
on TV this time of year when there's not much
to talk about, this stuff gets thrown in there and
then someone takes a passionate take like that where you're going, dude,
this is completely unnecessary, and it just it feels like,

(46:06):
for some reason, you know, people feel like.

Speaker 5 (46:09):
They need to do this and they don't.

Speaker 4 (46:11):
Schador has handled himself with the exception of you know, speeding,
you know, he's handled himself exactly how you'd hoped he
would and settle the right things and done all the
right things. And you know, even for people at issues
with how he conducted himself in Colorado, he it's not
like he was popped for doing you know, bad stuff
off the field. It's just because he's got a different

(46:31):
way of showcasing his brand and showcasing himself, especially when
he has success. So I don't feel like there's any
issue there at all. And it's almost like people are
trying to stir up an issue or create an issue
out of nothing when we haven't even got to a
game yet.

Speaker 3 (46:47):
It's gonna be fun with that one.

Speaker 2 (46:49):
Uh, it is two pros and a cup of Joe
here on Fox Sports Radio, LaVar Arrington, Brady Quinn, Jonas
Knox with you. Coming up next here though, we are
going to tell you about how well not everything is.
It's going so smooth for one quarterback and one team's
decision on that quarterback in the NFL. This training camp,
that's yours here on FSR. Two pros and a cup

(47:09):
of Joe, Fox Sports Radio, LaVar Arrington, Brady Quinn, Jonas
Knox with you here. Come it up in about twenty
minutes from now, we are going to have something called
Breeze Leftovers with Lee out bree Is in. That'll be
yours here again twenty minutes from now here on FSR.
Right now, though, we turn it over to our guy,
Albert Breer, Senior NFL reporter, lead content strategist at the

(47:29):
MMQB Amazon NFL on Prime Insider, and you can follow
my next at Albert Breer AB. Where do your travels
through training camp take you today?

Speaker 1 (47:41):
I mean I'm in some town in Missouri. I'm going
to Chiefs, which I'm almost to Saint Joseph. Saint Joseph
would is like an hour north of Kansas City.

Speaker 4 (47:50):
Oh yeah, hot and steamy buddy hot yeah, get ready.

Speaker 1 (47:57):
Yeah, Brady. You know the pit there that the practice
they're in and how it traps humidity and uh yeah,
I'm wearing a workout shirt to practice today. I'll put
it that way.

Speaker 4 (48:07):
Well, I'm more concerned about your swamp ass, so you
better you better wear a.

Speaker 5 (48:11):
Pair of underwear.

Speaker 1 (48:13):
That's gonna be that's gonna be a situation too. I
might have changeing my way back here.

Speaker 5 (48:18):
Good for you. You know, it's funny.

Speaker 4 (48:19):
They've got incredible facilities for what are they like a
D three program or D two?

Speaker 1 (48:24):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, They've got like a nice field house
and the practice they're not all of it. It's really nice.
It's just in the middle of nowhere.

Speaker 4 (48:32):
Well yeah, but they've got an indoor facility. Like how
many D three programs whatever it is, have an indoor facility.

Speaker 1 (48:38):
There right right, And I think it's a full feel.
I can't. I one year I came here and it
was and it was raining out or something, and they
were they were inside, and I think it's actually like
a full field facility to which, yeah, you're right, you
won't see too many dudes and three schools that I
actually I actually think, but you know, I actually think

(48:58):
they're n ai A. Is that right for their division career? Naia.

Speaker 5 (49:02):
I'll look into that.

Speaker 4 (49:03):
I am curious though, as you go there, like what
questions are there really surrounding the Chiefs. It feels like
outside of them losing in the Super Bowl, they weren't
able to repeat, they're still, in my mind like the
team to beat in the AFC. It's just like maybe
they probably only rebuilding the stronger from this.

Speaker 1 (49:20):
I'm with you, Brady. I mean, I think a lot
a lot of people become the prisoners of the last
thing they saw, and I think in this case, like
you know, a lot of people have drilled down on
what the Chiefs looked like in the super Bowl. It's
a really good Eagles team and that came obviously was
never in doubt. And you know, I think people are wondering,

(49:41):
is that the last night of the Chiefs dynasty? And
I think that's a little more ridiculous just based on
the what they are with with with Dandy Reid and
Patrick Mahomes the front of his career. Not only that,
like how they got to the Super Bowl last year,
they did it with a tackle situation that was a
complete mess that Isaiah Pacheco without Rashie Rice, with Hollywood

(50:04):
Brown having played what I think two games three games
at the end of the year and then into the playoffs.
That was a really hollowed out version of what the
Chiefs had been the last few years. And they still
got into the Super Bowl. And so, you know, when
I talk to these guys, and obviously I'll talk to
them more today, but you know, when I talk to
these guys over the last two months, you know, the

(50:26):
feeling I've gotten is that they feel like they're going
to be better than they were a year ago. And
some of the vision that they had for the offense
last year, where you know, the idea was you're going
to have Hollywood Brown and Xavier Worthy on the outside
and those two clearing out space for Rashie Rice and
Travis Kelsey operate underneath to check go on the running

(50:50):
em All that stuff can come to life now if
they can stay healthy, you know. So the motivated team,
I know that, and like I think, you know, they
feel like, at least internally, they should be better than
they were at the end of last year.

Speaker 2 (51:03):
Abe, do you have any sort of a sense or
an update on where things stand between the Cowboys and
Micah Parsons. Have they still not talked to his agent?
Has there still been nothing more than a handshake? As
Jerry Jones pointed out earlier this.

Speaker 1 (51:19):
Week, Well, you know, a handshake is a very important
there's a bomb there, you know what I mean? Very yeah.
I mean the deal is a deal, right, so when
you shake on it, when you shake on it, you
have a deal. No, I think that right now, I
would say this probably waits until they get back to

(51:43):
Dallas from California, just based in the past history here
at the pace of negotiations, I think it's going to
be on the Cowboys to pick up the phone and
make that that that call to try and get something
sparked where they can get some more momentum towards the
deal getting done. And this is the first one. Guys
like I you know, you don't want to believe that
these billion dollar businesses would do things like I don't know,

(52:08):
you know, endure a contracts, you know, dispute because it
gets them in the a block on first take. But
it keeps happening over and over and over again where
it makes you believe that that's the case. And you know,
when I dug into it over the last week, the
pace of negotiations is not different than the pace of

(52:28):
negotiations was with Zach Martin two years ago, or with
Ceedee Lamb and Dak Prescott last year. So, you know,
I think if you look at past history, you look
at the benefit I guess that they get from the
attention being foisted upon them, where you know, they're one
of the big stories during training camp, and then you

(52:49):
look at the fact that during the kickoff game, which
you know moves the timeline up a little bit. I think,
you know, you get through this week, you get through
next week. The team picks up and goes from you know,
the training camp in California back home to Texas, and
and then maybe talks gets sparked because I think we
all know where this deal is going to be done, right,
It's going to be in the forties. It's probably gonna

(53:11):
be well in the forties. I think it could be
as far up as forty five million per year. The
market's the market now, you know, And so I think,
really what's left is when the Cowboys pick up the
phone and call and try to get the talks going again,
and then you know, and then and then how how

(53:33):
difficult it is for everybody to put their personal feelings aside.

Speaker 3 (53:36):
What about Terry and Terry McLaurin uh in Washington.

Speaker 1 (53:42):
Yeah, I think, you know, LeVar, My my sense is
that's another one where it probably gets done before, right
before the season. That one is a little different, Like
I don't think there's any like personal animists there, And
I think do I think a guts to carry a
little bit to have to go through this based on
everything he's given to the team. Yeah, but I still

(54:05):
think like the ideal scenario for everyone involved is for
Terry to be in that uniform and and look like
Terry has been through a lot. It went through a
lot to help that franchise get where it is. You know,
there's a lot of sweat equity that he has tied
up and in the in in that franchise, turning things

(54:25):
around and going to the Dance Snighter era to the
Josh Harris era, and you know, and and and and
and and and getting from Jay Gruden era to the
to the Ron Rivera now to to to what dan
Quinn's built. So I think Terry is motivated to be there.
I don't think the commanders. I don't think there's any question
that commanders want him in a Washington uniform. And I

(54:50):
think this really comes down to where the market is
and the principles and data that the the that that
the new commander's regime has, and uh, I don't know
where the middle ground is, but I have to think
that they're going to find a way to get something
done in time.

Speaker 3 (55:08):
Abe.

Speaker 2 (55:09):
Biggest surprise for you thus far through your training camp travels.

Speaker 3 (55:13):
As what.

Speaker 1 (55:17):
It's a good question. Uh, you know, I think one
of the things that I I like you can see
that I thought was sort of interesting is there's a
couple of teams where I think you had a good
young base of players, and it's can you elevate from
good to great? And that's not just for a team standpoint,
but with a lot of the individual young players and

(55:39):
those two teams that be Seattle and Green Bay, I'm
seeing the way Pete Carroll's moving around at seventy three
years old is obviously something something to behold, you know.
I would say, like to me, it was like looking
at like the operation with the Chargers was in now,

(56:00):
I would say there are a couple of teams where
you look at them and you say, man, you can
feel the confidence and they think they're going to be
really good. Those two teams, like, for me, that really
stuck out. It's having that confidence where it's like, could
they make a real run in a Super Bowl? Would
be the the Broncos and the Rams. Like being with
the Chargers was really interesting in that, like it kind

(56:23):
of jumped out at me how big that team has gotten.
And you look at the right side of the line
and it's it's Joe All and it's it's it's it's
Mackai Beckton. And then you know on the defensive side,
the interior guys are much bigger than they were a
couple of years ago under Brandon Staley. And you see
the running back of mari and Hampton and it's like
you could really envision him being like a Frank Gore

(56:45):
type of presidence, the type of president Scorer was for
for Jim Harbaugh in San Francisco, And so it just
really jumped out at me looking at the Chargers is
just a physical makeup of the team and you know
I I you know, just talking to people there, they
feel like they're better at every position than they were
a year ago. So I'm really interested to see what

(57:08):
happens in the AFC West because you have the Chiefs
and then you know, you've got the Chargers and the Broncos,
who I think really feel like they're in a position
to make a run at it. And I think the
Raiders are going to be fisty under Pete Carroll. Like
I think by the by the by, by the end
of the year, they're they're the proverbial Now, I don't
think they win more than six or seven games, but

(57:29):
I think by the end of the year they're sort
of the proverbial team no one wants to play.

Speaker 4 (57:34):
Yeah, I can see that you mentioned the Rams and
just the potential for what they could be this year.
Matthew Stafford's dealing with back issues. How serious is this
in the minds of the Rams right now? Because it
you know, at his age back issues, some of the
symptoms he's dealing with, lack of participation in much feels
like this could be an interesting storyline to watch to

(57:56):
see if the Rams can actually get Matthew Stafford for
all seventeen games.

Speaker 1 (58:00):
Yeah, I put it this way. If this is a
game we think he'd be practicing and if there was
a game on Sunday, he'd certainly be playing. You know,
I think this is sort of a realization that they've
come to that there's only so many more bullets in
the gun, and you don't want to be firing those

(58:21):
bullets in August. And so, you know, they've got the
luxury of having Jimmy Garoppolo on the team, which I
think gives them, you know, the opportunity to have quality
practice work right, Like they don't need to worry about
the pace of practice with Jimmy out there or you know,
the quarterback knowledge of the office. Everything can run smoothly.

(58:42):
Everybody can get good working with Jimmy Garoppolo in there
playing quarterback. And they saved those bullets in the gun.
I don't know what the number would be, probably be
like eighty five ninety percent. I don't think they're going
to put him out there until they feel like he's
one hundred percent. And Matthews deal with a bunch of
these things over the last couple of years. He had elbow,

(59:04):
he had a risk and these are all like the
types of injury with an older quarterback you got to
be really careful with right and the back is in
that category two. So do I think it's of no concern?
Absolutely not, Like, of course it is. He's thirty seven
years old, he's got a back problem. Do I think
the Rams are thinking like this is going to materially

(59:26):
affect our season. I don't think that's what this is
at this point. I think this is more of a
maintenance thing and trying to make sure that not only
he's ready to go week one, but he's in a
position to sustain his level of play in the December
and January.

Speaker 3 (59:44):
Abe. My last question would be the New England Patriots.
We discussed them at length earlier in the show. What
do you see from your perspective the I guess the
projection of what the will end up finishing at in
in the AFC South South East, East East East East

(01:00:08):
and so resistant against these these two, what do you
think they have finished? They have a chance to finish
second or first then in their conference their division?

Speaker 1 (01:00:20):
Uh first, No, I think Buffalo's gonna win the division again.
And you know I was with the Bill. Everything looks
so easy for Josh Allen. Now it's scary, like I
you know, like you think, look at the guy that
physical ability and now like how smooth everything looks. Josh
in a really good spot. So I think Buffalo was
a division but but yeah, I mean, I I think
Miami takes a step back. I think the Jets are

(01:00:42):
going to be competitive. You know where that goes. I'm
not positive in Aaron Glenn's first year, but I think
the Patriots in a position where they've gotten themselves the
level ground at a lot of different positions. There were
positions that I think were like real weaknesses, like real
holes for them, where at least they're at a confident
level now. And you know, whether that means seven wins

(01:01:05):
or ten wins, I think comes down to how the
young quarterback plays. But it's a very professional, experienced coaching
staff that Mike Rabel's put together. I think there's going
to be an identity to the team, you know, and
I think that they're going to be competitive on a
weekend weekend basis. And you know, I think if you
look at a lot of things they've done, it mirrors
what what Washington did last year when the Commander's new

(01:01:29):
brass came in. Dan Quinn got all these guys, as
someone on the coaching staff had experienced with whether it
was Dante Fowler and Dorance Armstrong and Bobby Wagner and
played for him, Austin that Coda played for Anthony Lynn.
I mean was across the board. He saw every guy
they brought in had some sort of background with the
coaching staff Patriots is the same thing. You know they
bring in. Steph Diggs was with Todd Downing, Morgan Moses

(01:01:52):
was with Todd Downing, Robert Spoyne was with Josh McDaniels,
Harold Landry was with Rabel Carlton day Savis was what
Terrell Williams and Detroit like all those guys had that background.
And so like, I think they've kind of gotten themselves
again up to that level ground and now whether or
not they can elevate from all, right, like this team's
a tough team to play and maybe they're like a

(01:02:15):
seven win team versus like actually competing for a playoff
spot probably comes down to the development of the young
quarterback under McDaniels.

Speaker 4 (01:02:23):
So so, how do you see the division if you
had to peg it right now, how do you see
it playing out?

Speaker 5 (01:02:27):
Like so obviously Buffalo one, then.

Speaker 1 (01:02:29):
What I think the Patriots and Jets are relatively even,
Like I think the Patriots have a higher ceiling and quarterback.
I think the Jets may have more talent across the board.
I think we forget how good the I think the
Patriots and Jets are going to be neck and neck
because I just go through it, and the quarterback spot

(01:02:53):
kind of held them hostage the last couple of years
and where they were last year with all ownership and
everything else. That wasn't Aaron's fault, like that was more
like just overall organizational chaos. But you look at it, Brady,
I mean, like so many levels of the team. You've got,
you know, blue chip or wourline blue chip players like

(01:03:16):
Garrett Wilson at receiver, now Olufashanu on the offensive line.
You know, Garrett breist Hall at running back, Quentin Williams,
you know Jamaine Johnson's got a high ceiling at defensive end,
Quincy Willie.

Speaker 5 (01:03:29):
He had a lot of those guys last year though,
and it didn't work out.

Speaker 1 (01:03:32):
You know they did, but they did, But it was
so fricking chaotic, you know what I mean, Like it
was just.

Speaker 5 (01:03:37):
Well, yeah, but what's changed. You have a new head
coach and new staff.

Speaker 1 (01:03:40):
Well, well, here's where it is is and.

Speaker 4 (01:03:43):
Also, can we get a pick from you? We're going
to ride the fence the whole time? He is right,
get I mean, how do you feel? I feel like
you're I feel like you're wearing You're already gonna have
swamp ass from going to Saint Joe's.

Speaker 5 (01:03:54):
Now you're riding the fence.

Speaker 4 (01:03:55):
You can't give us a damn pick between the Jets
and the Patriots for the number two spot.

Speaker 1 (01:03:59):
Dang hey, trios two Jets, Patriots two, two Jets three.
But I do think the Patriots are going to be
and the Jets are really competitive. I think the Jets,
I think those two will be neck and back. And
I do think again they've got like a really good
base count. The difference this year is in the first
year of a new coach what he generally takes a

(01:04:19):
step back. He doesn't start fiddling with everything until the
coaches two or three years in. That's generally been a
m O.

Speaker 2 (01:04:28):
But we're all in agreement that not all of them.
Not looking great for Miami this year, I would say,
I think.

Speaker 1 (01:04:35):
I think Miami. I think Miami is an undercover rebuilding team.

Speaker 3 (01:04:39):
I think they finished second it's a good.

Speaker 2 (01:04:40):
Way to put it. To undercover rebuild.

Speaker 3 (01:04:44):
I think the Patriots finished the last or.

Speaker 1 (01:04:46):
Or second by the way. I think Cleveland's I think
Cleveland's undercover rebuild too. I think there are a few
of those this year.

Speaker 5 (01:04:54):
Are they undercover? Are the Saints undercover? I think there's
some they're not undert there.

Speaker 1 (01:05:01):
Out there.

Speaker 5 (01:05:02):
They're like the space needle in Seattle.

Speaker 4 (01:05:04):
You got to go see it because.

Speaker 1 (01:05:05):
The fans are great because they because the quarterback situation
is what it is. And now you have like like
two guys that have like legitimate, like real ties to
the organization that could be in the draft next year.
Now I don't have I don't know there's any chance
of ours declare, but obviously he's got the ties to
the organization. And then the offensive coordinator's son is probably

(01:05:28):
could have a chance to be a first round pick
next year too. So the Saints have sort of there's
a lot of things lining up there. I'll just put
it that way.

Speaker 2 (01:05:36):
Interesting, ab We appreciate it. Enjoy your travels, safe travels,
and stay out of the heat. Watch out that swamp ass.

Speaker 1 (01:05:44):
I'll be on the lookout for it for sure.

Speaker 3 (01:05:48):
That's gonna find you, don't worry about it.

Speaker 2 (01:05:50):
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