August 8, 2025 • 52 mins
It’s a Football Friday on 2 Pros and a Cup of Joe, and Anthony Richardson gets rocked in the first preseason game. Ohio State hosting a “Blackout” game vs Penn State should be on Big Noon Kickoff and nobody should be complaining. Plus, we get our first glimpses of Shedeur Sanders and Travis Hunter in the NFL. Plus
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
This is the best of two pros and with Lamar A.
D Win and Jonas Knox on.
Speaker 2 (00:09):
Radio, how the hell are we feeling here on this
Friday morning?
Speaker 3 (00:16):
Good? Yeah, feeling great. It's Friday, baby, It's Friday.
Speaker 4 (00:22):
Feel a little bit better than Anthony Richardson at this
point or what hey.
Speaker 3 (00:26):
Man, that's uh, that's unfortunate.
Speaker 5 (00:29):
But also it's uh at this point and stage being
in the NFL, that just can't happen. And there's some
times where some things will surprise you. But that's one
where you go, Okay, you gotta see the rotation. You
gotta know what protection you've got. You have to know
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if there's gonna be a potential of a guy being unblocked,
and in that case, you know.
Speaker 3 (00:55):
He's looking left the whole way as as if he
feels like he should be protected.
Speaker 5 (01:03):
The hard thing is is if you look at the
right side of the play, in particular the right guard,
right tackle, because that linebacker, they off the ball. Linebacker comes,
which I would always say, you know, probably take the
d n don't take the linebacker. But if he felt
that he was the first threat, then that's a different story.
But he's got to know that it only takes one
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guy for him to be hot, for him to be
essentially in a position where someone's gonna hit you. This
is gonna be a free runner. And he had the
fly route, had the spot route. You know, was wasn't
even looking to that side of the field. But you
know that as a quarterback because the rotation of the safeties,
you know, usually when the defense you know, is bringing
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someone to press you or blitz you, they're going to
be you know, replacing the void that's created by that
blitzing defender. And the safeties based on the rotation, they'll
tell you someone drops down to that vacated spot and
he wasn't looking there his eyes immediately from the rotation.
Safeties should have taught him to look there, to be like,
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wait a second, something's up, and then quickly just flick
it out to the flat, throw hot, move on to
the next play. But instead he gets hurt and.
Speaker 3 (02:19):
Unfortunate.
Speaker 5 (02:20):
That's been the story of his career so far. Crazy
thing is the tackle didn't look either.
Speaker 6 (02:25):
Nobody looked at at the defensi end or a linebacker
however you want.
Speaker 3 (02:30):
He picked up the linebacker, He didn't pick up the end.
Speaker 6 (02:32):
Yeah, they nobody looked at him at all, And I
don't know. I obviously I'll defer to you on that.
I think you gotta be aware of the free guy.
I mean a lot of times these days, you gotta
you gotta be aware.
Speaker 3 (02:51):
And it's taught.
Speaker 6 (02:52):
So that's that's a very common concept, is to teach
that we're going to cover off on on taking care
of the most dangerous guys. You know, the guy's closest
to you. And in some situations there may be a
free rusher and that free rusher may be a DN
or or an outside backer. That's you know, those are
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the possibilities that are there based upon what the scheme
is that you know, you're you're running into play that
you're trying to accomplish. It may set something else up,
setting that guy free you. Sometimes you want him to
feel like that's what you want to do is run
run to the ball like you know, dog's tongue wagging
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like that's you want them to feel that because there's
something that is being set up and to not to
not be aware of that. I I don't think he
had to be fast to get to him. I think
any speed of player would have been able to get
to and he had to hit him. The way he
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got hit, it just makes you curious. It's like, Okay,
it's their first preseason game. Do we just attribute it
to that was a miss que and and just kind
of a you know, just didn't really give it the
attention that he should have or is there you know,
I don't.
Speaker 3 (04:15):
I don't want to get into saying is there a
bigger issue there? But there's there's a.
Speaker 5 (04:19):
Bigger issues there is the norm well the Norman him
getting hurt, But the problem is that and this is
what I'll say is this is how I got my
shot to start this exact scenario as far as a
quarterback not recognizing when there's pressure how to handle pressure,
pressure and blitzes. Now, I mean, look, I'll give Baltimore
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some credit. They kind of disguised it. They you know,
if you look at the offensive line, they're sliding out
some really the nickel slot because the safety is capped
over top of them. It gives you every indication that
you know that guy could potentially blitz. And then at
the snap of the football, the safety rotates back to
the middlefield safety rotates, the other safety rotates down to
vacate the space left by the blitzing linebacker on the
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front side, the right tackle picks up the linebacker, the
ends free like that is you know, I mean again
kind of one oh one of how do you how
do you try to overload a five man protection? And
that's one way of doing it. But as a quarterback,
when you're going into year three in the NFL, you've
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got to know this, like you've got to be able
to see it, the rotation of the safeties. I keep
saying that because that's how you're taught as a quarterback.
You you read the safeties at the snap of the
football and they tell you if there's any pressure, and
they're gonna tell you what the coverage is going to be,
in particular when it's in zone coverage. So the fact
that his eyes aren't there for whatever reason, I don't
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know if he's being coached that way, I'm gonna I'm gonna, well,
I'm willing to bet a lot of money's not knowing
Shane Steichen. So the next step is he's just not
He hasn't learned the way in which he's got to
process and he's got to, you know, see through into
the into the defense to see what the coverage is
gonna be. And this gets you hurt. Like when you
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talk about guys not going out there until they're ready,
because they make it hurt, especially at quarterback, this is
one of those examples. Guys will get hurt because they're
vulnerable and you know you're gonna have a DNT off
on you. He's gonna dislocate your pinky on your throng hand,
and that's a rap.
Speaker 3 (06:28):
He'd be out for another week. I'll sa'd you a
question based off of that.
Speaker 6 (06:31):
If you're a if you're a coach, you've probably run
this set in a practice, right. You've got to be
aware of the fact that Anthony plays it the way
that he's playing it. I mean, I guess, are you
able to to stay away from plays that you know
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he's insufficient at what he's supposed to do in that
in that set?
Speaker 3 (06:59):
Yeah, I would.
Speaker 5 (07:00):
I wouldn't if I was okay, if I was putting
together offense for Anthony Richardson, I would not use many
five man protections. Five man protections because that's on your
offensive line, folks. Everyone else is free releasing. So you
got guys who are gonna look quick if people are
blitzing and people are pressuring, but otherwise you are, It's
on you as a quarterback to then determine, like how
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you want to use those five offensive linemen.
Speaker 6 (07:25):
So it those three releasers was your tight end and
your running back.
Speaker 5 (07:31):
Well in that case, in that case it's you. It's
really your running back on the right side of it.
You should be hitting him quickly in the flat. The
spot routes is gonna be there quick too. Warren's running
like a corner route. That's your typical you know that
people call it spot, but that's your typical kind of
three level.
Speaker 3 (07:45):
Zone beater and and use your flat controls what you
want to get the ball at quick.
Speaker 6 (07:49):
Let me ask you this, in this five man protection,
when you have those releasers and you have the back
hitting the flat as your safety valve, don't I mean,
don't you need to check like over like he never looked.
Don't you need to check and say, okay, this is
going to be a free release, so I know I'm
going to have at least my flat. I'm gonna have
my back immediately. What was he looking at to.
Speaker 3 (08:11):
The other He's reading the other side of the field.
Speaker 6 (08:15):
It's like he was committed to what he wanted on
the other side of the field and was willing to
wait for it, whatever it was.
Speaker 5 (08:20):
And one of the mistakes that quarterbacks make is they
make their mind up before the snap of the football.
They see something and they say, I'm gonna throw this route.
I'm gonna throw this side of the field, either because
of a matchup, either because there's off coverage for example,
and they're saying, I know this route, this guy's gonna
win versus that coverage or that cornerback. So they make
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their mind up because they're just looking for completions, right,
they're trying to move the sticks. And the problem is
with that is then you forget about the protection. And
the protection always comes first because you can't throw throw
the football from your back. So that's that's oftentimes a
bad habit that quarterbacks make, especially as they're young or
if they're inexperienced. And again I always go back to
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the fact that Anthony Richardson has all the tools to
be a special quarterback.
Speaker 3 (09:10):
The problem is he's played so few games.
Speaker 5 (09:15):
So you look at a play like this last night,
where he's battling for a starting role on his team,
and I could promise you this, like Daniel Jones, he
might get fooled by some different Boetz coverage, not by
this one.
Speaker 3 (09:27):
I mean when you again, you and.
Speaker 5 (09:29):
You have a five man protection, and the best thing
I can compare it to is like ride a motorcycle.
Speaker 3 (09:34):
Without a helmet on. You feel vulnerable.
Speaker 5 (09:36):
You're out there amongst traffic, amongst everyone else, and you're looking,
you're looking for any potential danger or some car that's
something that's going to hit you.
Speaker 3 (09:44):
So you know, he's got to.
Speaker 5 (09:46):
Be more aware of everything the defense is doing because
it could ultimately impact you know, hitting him or which.
Speaker 3 (09:52):
Do yeah, which it did in this case.
Speaker 5 (09:55):
But also just where he should go with the football
because then a five man protection, which I and I
wouldn't call him, I wouldn't call with him in there,
you don't have much time anyway, it's like five guys
protect against most likely four maybe five.
Speaker 3 (10:09):
Yeah. No, they dropped off the backside edge.
Speaker 5 (10:15):
Again, it's your typical fire zone, you know, blitz, So
you drop off the backside end. I mean you're bringing
in an edge player. I mean, a Jabo should be
viewed as an edge player. You should not ever view
him as a linebacker because you don't want to put
a tight end or running back on him.
Speaker 3 (10:31):
You know your right tackle should be on him.
Speaker 5 (10:32):
The defense wins in this case because a they schemed
up the protection and b you have your right tackle
picking up an off the ball linebacker as compared to
a jabo, which if you're gonna hit by a quarterback,
you'd rather get hit by an off the ball linebacker,
not an edge player.
Speaker 3 (10:48):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (10:49):
Uh well.
Speaker 4 (10:50):
Anthony Richardson did talk after the game about the injury
and what he expects to happen moving forward.
Speaker 7 (10:57):
And I was weird he hit. I mean then I
was trying to make sure I had the ball and
I just looked down. I see my finger different direction.
I'm like, maybe I tripping. And I looked at it
again and it was definitely like that. So it's like,
I gotta get this thing pop back in place. But
I'm good though, I mean, it's a little swollen, but
it'll be It's just tender right now. It'll be a
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little bit more so in the morning, but I'll be good.
Speaker 3 (11:22):
Not a great When you dislocate a finger, it hurts.
Speaker 2 (11:26):
Not a great great start to the quarterback off.
Speaker 6 (11:29):
Not a great question. I hope you feel better, maybe,
like does it hurt? Like, let me come here, let
me dislocate your finger. Come here, let's let's see how
it feels it. Tell me how it feels afterwards, dude, like,
of coordsely it hurts you dislocated your finger. We'll go ahead, man, like, hey, hey, buddy,
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just one more question for you.
Speaker 3 (11:55):
So does it hurt so soon?
Speaker 4 (11:56):
So soon into the game too, like the first series
and that's that's just a wrap. And then you know,
Daniel Jones comes in, finished out the first half. Yeah,
so I don't know what that means. If this is
an indication as to who's got the advantage. It does
remind me of something I tell you about the time
Lovey Smith was deciding, oh yeah quarterback.
Speaker 5 (12:18):
Well you know he flipped a coin. It's him, pinky yeah.
But you know, I wasn't sure if if you guys
knew that story.
Speaker 3 (12:27):
So I just wanted to am I able to to
turn course on who's going to start week one?
Speaker 4 (12:31):
Because after the no okay, no, no, no, hey, I
told you I don't want to celebrate a guy getting injured.
Speaker 3 (12:40):
Though I don't.
Speaker 5 (12:40):
Here's what I'll say to you is like when I
said earlier, this is how I literally got my start.
Is my true freshman year two thousand and three, we
opened up with Washington State. They run your your typical
Sam Mike fire zone blitz right, so they rotate down
to that side, a strong linebacker, middle linebacker, both blo
drop the backside end play cover three behind it.
Speaker 3 (13:04):
We knew this. They running from underfront. It was like
the biggest tell.
Speaker 5 (13:08):
And I remember Carlisle Holiday and we were like on
our own, I don't know four something like that. They
lined up in under and I'm watching from the sidelines.
I'm like, oh, no, here comes and he drops back
just like Andy Richdon did. He looks left, never sees it,
gets crushed fumbles, they get the football, and it was
at that moment, and I remember the reaction of the sidelines,
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the reaction from our coach, though our offensive staff they
lost faith in him at that point because it was
harped on so much in practice, so much in meetings,
and it was one of those things where if you
can't recognize that, then it was gonna be a problem.
If you could work and be able to just kind
of find your tools to fix that. And so that's
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why now it's like, well, I can promise you this
was damning for Shane Ssych and their staff watching this
and how it happened. And obviously he's gonna be out
for a little bit because of how the pinky impacts
your grip to a degree and may not be that
long because it's probably the most insignificant finger on your
throng hand. But this, this will definitely hurt that quarterback
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competition for Anthony Richardson.
Speaker 3 (14:15):
Like this gives Daniel Jones a huge leg.
Speaker 4 (14:17):
Up because in a big year for Shane Steich, and
he'd like to have the answer who's going to be
the starter sooner rather than later.
Speaker 5 (14:22):
It's pro football, man, It's not even that it's it's
like with Kevin Stefanski, Shaudor could play phenomenal, it's just
going into week one, you want a guy who's been.
Speaker 3 (14:31):
There and done it. You know.
Speaker 5 (14:34):
It's not that he can, it's just like he's he
doesn't have to go through the firsts of everything of
getting into a game and say, hey, we gotta scrap this,
we gotta do this, we gotta change this. We're gonna
like that happens, and you want a veteran guy who's
been there, who's not gonna get flustered by it or
and not be like wait, what are we doing or
how are we doing this? Or but he's like, yeah,
I remember that thing we did week one in training camp.
We're gonna do that. Now we're gonna do this, And
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it's just there's a lot you know again, I we
always act. You can't compare this to like other professions
because of the athleticism that's involved. Like imagine someone asked
you to, like, you know, take over for a huge
sales pitch. You know, your first I don't know, four
months on a job and you've never done it before.
Like the whether or not the sale actually happens is
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in your hands, and you've never done it at any
point in time, you know. Versus a guy who's done
it for what does the hell what's flock going now
seventeen years? It's an entirely different scenario. It's an entirely
different conversation.
Speaker 3 (15:29):
And is aware of their their sales pitch.
Speaker 6 (15:32):
You know, I had an opportunity to be in their
sales pitch within that amount of time that he was
in there. I think it's a it's a great point.
Speaker 4 (15:40):
Can I tell you sus Factory, Can I tell you
something rude that LeVar said before the show?
Speaker 2 (15:44):
I thought this was rude.
Speaker 6 (15:46):
Of course, you guys know he's lying because no, no,
I might not be lying.
Speaker 3 (15:49):
You might not be lying. I'll let you.
Speaker 2 (15:51):
I'll let you finish off what you said.
Speaker 3 (15:53):
All right?
Speaker 4 (15:54):
I said before the show because we were talking about
Anthony Richardson, I said, Man, the Ravens don't man even
in the preseason, and what did you say?
Speaker 6 (16:02):
I sat down playing the postseason either, I mean they
do this.
Speaker 3 (16:08):
That's just rude. They don't, I mean didn't not didn't.
Who picked them?
Speaker 8 (16:12):
Though?
Speaker 5 (16:13):
We go to the super Bowl the year? Did you
pick them? I didn't pick anyone to go to the
super Bowl this year? Did you pick them?
Speaker 8 (16:20):
Or?
Speaker 3 (16:20):
Is it Prisco? Prisco of Baltimore was the green.
Speaker 4 (16:24):
Bay Prisco went same pick that he had last year,
Buffalo green Bay.
Speaker 3 (16:30):
That's what he's going. It's funny about that.
Speaker 5 (16:32):
By the way, Prisco, when Rogers was in Green Bay,
picked like the Packers every year, and for some reason
he hasn't done that with the Chiefs. He's like just
stayed with the Packers. It's really weird.
Speaker 6 (16:45):
I would not be surprised if it is a repeat
Super Bowl, Yeah I will Yeah, I would not be surprised.
I think Philly is going to be over the top
better than what they have been.
Speaker 2 (16:59):
Look a look at the NFC.
Speaker 4 (17:01):
If it's not them, who it's complete, it's completely wide open.
Speaker 3 (17:05):
Well, why you guys, right off San Francisco.
Speaker 6 (17:07):
I told you, I've wrote I've written off San Francisco,
not even to make it into the playoffs, not even
when their division.
Speaker 3 (17:15):
I don't know why people are so high on them.
Speaker 2 (17:18):
Favorable schedule, and he would have.
Speaker 6 (17:22):
Long term feel like sometimes that is a little overstated.
Easy schedule, Like, Bro, there is no such thing as
an easy game in the league. Bro, Like I hate
when we talk about how well he's They've got the
fifth ranked or third ranked, easiest schedule.
Speaker 3 (17:40):
They're all pro team.
Speaker 2 (17:42):
If you got New Orleans on your schedule, that right,
that's a second by away.
Speaker 3 (17:46):
It's a valid point. Maybe not if you catch them
early in the season. Though.
Speaker 6 (17:50):
The problem with with bad organizations that those types of
teams win, they win games they're not supposed to win,
and and then they lose the other ones. Like that's
just it is what it is like they'll win two
or three games during the course of the year, Like, wait,
they're heading for the super Bowl? How did they beat them?
But they can't beat anybody else? You don't know. You
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catch a bad team early on in the season while
they still got some fight left in them, you could
get bit just trap games. A Saints team right now
could be considered a trap team because they don't have
nothing else to play for if they stink as bad
as everybody thinks they're going to be. That's one of
those teams where you sit there and you say they
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could give a team easily a loss that they weren't
supposed to get to get that track, I'm just not
the trap. I'm just not high on can y'all please
explain to me. I know we're up on break, but
I just need to understand why is everybody so high
on the Niners.
Speaker 3 (18:50):
I don't get it.
Speaker 6 (18:52):
I don't get why every like I don't think Brock
like okay, Brock Purty does a big deal like great.
I mean, he had the opportunity to prove that he
could be more than just people saying he has personnel
to be a great quarterback.
Speaker 3 (19:09):
He didn't do it. He didn't pass that test.
Speaker 6 (19:13):
They weren't a great team last year, and by all indications,
what makes them a better team than what they were
last year? What's the difference? Because I look at Kyle Shanahan,
He's always been the determining factor to me.
Speaker 5 (19:28):
Okay, they get Robert Sala back. I mean, are we
saying that's going to be the difference. So this defense
is going to be a world beating defense now that
Robert Sala's back.
Speaker 3 (19:36):
Healthier, Well, they're healthier. They were pretty good when he
was there.
Speaker 6 (19:40):
They were pretty good when he was there, But I
don't know that, I mean, does that equate to them
being pretty good again now?
Speaker 3 (19:47):
I don't know. I just don't. I don't. I'm just
curious as to why people are.
Speaker 6 (19:52):
So high on the Niners because I'm out, Like, I'm
not in on them at all.
Speaker 5 (19:58):
So obviously healthy Christiancca, he's back. So remember he missed,
uh you know last year basically the entire season, uh
all accounts. Ricky Piersoll's had an incredible camp. Some of
us said he's been the best player in training camp.
So if they get that out.
Speaker 3 (20:13):
Of the first round pick they drafted a year ago,
that's a big deal.
Speaker 2 (20:16):
Remember he got shot shot right right.
Speaker 3 (20:20):
Jwan Jennings is still there, you know, I don't know.
Sure it's Haunds the Ayuke deal and he's there, but
there's some frustration.
Speaker 5 (20:28):
But if he if he you know, he stays, you
got you still got kittle with McCaffrey and use check
like I mean, all the pieces are back, so I
think they kind of brought everyone back to make another
run of this thing. I here's my biggest concern is
I feel like McCaffrey is the catalyst of the offense
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because of his versatility, and it makes it very difficult
to come up with schemes that are going to be
effective against them because you just don't know where he's
going to be from play to play. But I don't
know if he holds up. And if I were a
betting man, if there were a betting line saying, will
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Christian McCaffrey make it through the year healthy, I would
take the bet against him staying healthy.
Speaker 6 (21:16):
That's one. And I don't wish any ill on anyone.
I don't wish him to get hurt. That's not me
putting that on him.
Speaker 2 (21:24):
But if you can make money on it, at the table.
Speaker 3 (21:26):
I'm just saying.
Speaker 6 (21:27):
I'm just saying, if it's a bet, I'm taking that bet.
Then can Trent Williams stay healthy? Those to me are
the two singular most important pieces to this team and
what they do this year. And I do not have
a full amount of confidence that the health of those
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two will stay intact for an entire season, or even
long enough for them to get through a major bulk
of the season. I just think they get banged up,
and I don't think this is the same team when
they're when guys are banged up.
Speaker 3 (22:06):
I'm just not high on them. I don't know.
Speaker 6 (22:08):
I just I'm just not high on the Niners. Well,
this is what I do know. Well, you know that
we can see, we can see Q is perfect time.
Speaker 2 (22:17):
Fay come on, yeah, come on, let's go.
Speaker 6 (22:20):
Yeah, put my finger back in.
Speaker 3 (22:38):
What's what's come on to the ball.
Speaker 6 (22:41):
Let's feel me in, fill me in, fill me in,
kill me in, Come on, come on, come on, all right, Mark,
come on.
Speaker 3 (22:48):
Come on, let's make let's make you mad. Let's make
you mad. Let's let's let's switch to the other version.
Let's don't you let's let's do it every ere we
go night. It is a.
Speaker 6 (22:58):
Footballday, whoa Football Friday?
Speaker 3 (23:04):
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Speaker 4 (23:57):
Speaking of Tyler Warrens alma mater, Penn State, so apparently
the complaints are back. Ross Buork, the athletic director for
Ohio State, was on recently Here we Go.
Speaker 2 (24:12):
All Sides and I wait to hear.
Speaker 4 (24:16):
He was asked a question about what things could look
like for the blackout game for Ohio State, and the
conversation turned into this.
Speaker 5 (24:24):
Also planned to do a blackout game versus Penn State.
Speaker 2 (24:26):
So you're asking everywhere to wear black.
Speaker 5 (24:29):
Does that mean it'll be a night game?
Speaker 2 (24:31):
I think we know you're signed.
Speaker 8 (24:32):
I think we know the buck Eyes drive big noon kickoff.
That'll be a high powered game. So I think we
probably know what's going to happen around game time for
that one.
Speaker 2 (24:43):
What do we what do we know?
Speaker 1 (24:44):
I don't know what you mean.
Speaker 2 (24:45):
It'll be at noon, it won't be at night.
Speaker 8 (24:47):
Fox, Well, they love the Buckeyes and big Noon is
a big deal, right, They've invested in that that time slot.
Speaker 2 (24:55):
So I think, okay, you don't want to you don't
want to answer.
Speaker 8 (24:59):
We'll presume it's a big noon. It's a twelve noon kickoff.
Speaker 4 (25:02):
So Buckeye fans aren't thrilled with the prospect we're going
to make a blackout game at during the day, at
noon Eastern time. So here we go again, usual complaints
about the stage and the platform.
Speaker 2 (25:17):
And by the way, this has so here's here's.
Speaker 5 (25:20):
What I'm not going to do, all right, So this
is only a piece of the interview. I think this
is part of the issue with the media is we
get a clip like this, we react like this, we
don't listen to the whole thing. Ross Byorke went on
to say, we spent a lot of time working with Fox,
work with a big ten to understand. Look, we know
we've chosen. We're chosen for a big neon kickoff.
Speaker 3 (25:40):
We know it.
Speaker 5 (25:41):
Our brand is the biggest brand, we have the most viewership,
we have the biggest fan base. We've carried their window
in that noon kickoff. What we're asking for is just
a little more flexibility. York said, why does every one
of our new games have to be at noon?
Speaker 3 (25:55):
Right?
Speaker 5 (25:56):
But the TV contracts, the way they're laid out is
Fox has the first They own the noon window. They
don't own a night window, they don't do a three
thirty window. They have the first pick. And then it
goes to the pulling of NBC and CBS and the
big ten network. CBS owns three thirty, NBC owns seven thirty.
There's not flexibility within that. Fox can't just say, hey,
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for this game, we won a seven thirty window, and
for this game, we want a three thirty window. So
the lack of flexibility that is kind of built into this,
to me, that's the part we have to do to
chip away at.
Speaker 3 (26:28):
So that's the full quote.
Speaker 5 (26:30):
So when you hear it in context, ros Biork is
saying exactly what I've told y'all, and I've told fans
and I've told people who are frustrated by this. This
is a byproduct of a Big ten media rites deal
that Kevin Warren, who was the commissioners now with the
Chicago Bears, structured. This is a deal that every Big
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ten school agreed to. And this deal because the noon
kickoff has been so successful and has dominated that noon
window of all the windows up until last year was
the first year where ESPN, ABC one in the primetime
window that has allowed their schools And this is you know,
based off numbers that I'm getting from twenty twenty three
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and twenty twenty four, it's allowed Big ten schools to
profit anywhere between ten to eleven million more per year
than the SEC schools. And that's if you look at
the past two years, o High State won the national championship,
Michigan won the National championship. Penn State's playing in the
semi final. There's a reason that gap between the Big
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Ten and the SEC continues to grow, with ten million
more infused every year that the SEC is not getting
from its media rights deal. Why because they have just ESPN.
The Big Ten has three different networks who've paid a
premium you could say, for what they're getting. And so
because of that, it's allowed those Big Ten schools to
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have more cash or cash to be spent on all
sorts of other things. I'll let your mind wander there,
but it's allowed them to be more competitive. So people
can complain about the noon window. I mean, at least
if you're a Penn State fan, it's equal rights. You
got Ohio state of Noon last year. Now the state's hosting.
Speaker 3 (28:16):
You this year. So there you go. That's what I
was thinking.
Speaker 4 (28:19):
Like Ross Piorg, I never I didn't take any offense
to what he said. I didn't think he was being
pissy about it. I didn't think I think he was
just telling it how it is. I don't understand there's
the two biggest pregame shows in college football are big
noon kickoff in game day period, not even close.
Speaker 2 (28:36):
I didn't even know if there is another one.
Speaker 4 (28:38):
If one of those comes to your school and puts
on their show and brings it to the show, that's you.
Speaker 2 (28:48):
I agree with that and that, and.
Speaker 4 (28:49):
That's the part that irritates me is that the complaints
of well, you know, we want to be on later listen.
Speaker 2 (28:56):
I get all that.
Speaker 4 (28:56):
Maybe it's gonna, you know, affect your plans the night before.
Maybe you're gonna have to cut trick or treating a
little bit earlier the night before and come out in
November first for a blackout game during the day. But
how much good big noon kickoff and game Day has
done for programs in schools around the countries for decades now,
For some reason, they're fixated on this thing and they're
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complaining about it, and I just I don't get it.
I don't understand. I know, yeah, we want to be
at night, we want all this. There are schools and
programs around the country that would kill for an opportunity
to be featured on that stage, on that platform. And
given that opportunity, and all they've done is complain for
the most part with that, I don't.
Speaker 6 (29:37):
Say it though, a night game of a game of
that magnitude is fricking ridiculous. I mean, just speaking from
the other side of it, a night game with potentially
that's going to be probably one and two something to
that effect by the time we get to that game.
Speaker 2 (29:57):
Tough balls.
Speaker 4 (29:58):
Hey listen, I were black all the time during the
day at night works both ways. Who cares, it's not racist.
Speaker 6 (30:04):
I'm just saying a night game, for that type of
a game is like I can understand it for the
idea of what the experience represents for them. You get
the tailgate all day, most people are are very very
lubed up by the time the game comes around. Some
people don't make it to some people don't even make
it to the game. Some people don't make it through
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the tailgate, but come back ready for the game. I mean,
there's all kinds of different things that take place for
night games, but for one as big as this, when
you're able to create that environment. And I'll be the
first one to say, a day game, a day game
white out does not even come close to what a
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night game white out game is like energy wise, for
whatever reason it is doesn't even come close. I mean,
and all our white out games are pretty freaking awesome,
but the night games, it just it hits different, that's all.
Speaker 3 (31:04):
And it is what it is. The business of it
is the business of it.
Speaker 6 (31:07):
But I can understand where a fan that doesn't get
involved with all of the minutia that surrounds, all of
the TV deals and all that stuff that they really
don't need to concern themselves with at a bare minimum.
Speaker 3 (31:20):
I'm a fan of the game and I love it.
Speaker 5 (31:21):
But also I think it also differs depending on your perspective.
Like in Penn State Beaver Stadium, night games are big
as the white out right, and that's always been a tradition.
It's always been a big deal for Penn State. The
biggest game in Ohio state schedule has not ever been
a night game. It's Michigan. It's Michigan. That's always traditionally
been an early game, early kick. You know, Notre Dame,
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all our bigger games were three point thirty. They weren't
night games, at least not at home. So it all
depends on their perspective of it. Now a lot's changed
in college football because of stadium renovations. Now Notre Dame
is able to play night games because they have a
light system.
Speaker 6 (31:57):
That's us too, but that's Penn State as well. State
did not have lights. They put lights in specifically to
be able to do for ye for these night gets.
Speaker 3 (32:05):
We're white out. Yeah.
Speaker 5 (32:07):
And look, that's what I'm saying is the bulk and
majority of regular season games have always been played earlier
in the day. That's more than the tradition of college football.
That's typically been the history of college football. So it's
funny to me that like I remember, like being younger,
going up whether it's to Columbus, to Ohio State or
Notre Dame, and like to be kegs and eggs. Like
people would be, you know, out partying in the morning
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everything else and they'd be doing keg stands, like while
someone's on a griddle making eggs and like egg sandwiches
and stuff, and they're going, this is nuts, this is crazy.
Speaker 3 (32:37):
Like I didn't I didn't think this thing like.
Speaker 5 (32:39):
Existed, and like somehow, some way, like it's all transitioned
now where it's like kids don't.
Speaker 3 (32:45):
I mean, they don't really party like that anymore. You know.
Speaker 5 (32:47):
It's like they like want to kind of go late,
and then I create viral moments that like night or something.
I don't know, the whole thing is just completely flipped.
But Here's the reality is no one's like we're all
in her standing of what comes with a night game.
And again it's not like Fox didn't try to move
that game. Like week one, they've tried to move to
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Sunday night in primetime. Texas didn't want to do it.
You know, They've talked to some of the partners. They
want to do it.
Speaker 3 (33:15):
They are making like you you heard me read the quote.
Speaker 5 (33:17):
From ross by Orke about trying to change some things.
There is some movement there. There's some things that are
going to be worked on to be changed in the future.
But it's not out a lack of effort. It's just
out of a lack of the deal that's been signed
so far. And I think that's the tough part is
once you understand, you know the business and the parameters
of it, it is what it is and you have
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to lean into it and known it and realize that
you know, it's still allowed the Big ten to be
more successful than the SEC, which is the ultimate goal.
It's just unfortunate for a High State fans. They had
to play i think last year, like six noon games
in a row, you know, and then you look at
the House State Penn State game. I mean, one of
the things that no one factors in is Fox happens
the air the World Series. So like Penn State fans
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are upset lilast Year, and and like people at Fox like,
well we have Yankees Dodgers and you want us to
tell Rob Manfred, Hey, do you guys mind the first
pitch being at like you know, one pm, three thirty
for the World Series? But how's that conversation gonna go?
It's just not realistic. So there's there's obviously, you know,
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battles that you you know, you gotta pick and choose
your battles, and this is one that it's being worked
on behind the scenes. There will be changed in the future.
This is not gonna be changed for this season. I mean,
you're gonna be there, bar Oh, I'll be there. I'll
be there for certain And.
Speaker 4 (34:37):
By the way, that is World Series time, uh, And
that they based on what I'm seeing, if there's a
Game seven of the World Series, it would be on Saturday,
November first, So I can assure you they're probably not
swapping out Penn State Ohio State if there's a Game seven,
you know, if it gets that far though.
Speaker 3 (34:54):
I mean it.
Speaker 5 (34:55):
And the problem is, I think I tried to say
this earlier and I was I was wrong. The World
Series outrated Ohio State Penn State last year and has
traditionally outrated that game. So even even smaller market games.
I went back through like the last ten years of
World Series games and they all have outrated the Ohio
State Penn State matchups. So it is what it is.
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How much i'd like to think, I think by a
few million. Yeah, yeah, I mean it's the World Series.
It's the pinnacle of you know, major sport.
Speaker 4 (35:28):
And plus the Cubs have a strong fan base, so
there's gonna be a lot of people tuning in.
Speaker 3 (35:32):
I can't wait to see the Brewers in there. It's
you can't win your division, I.
Speaker 4 (35:36):
Wouldn't worry about really going to get to the Worlds.
I wouldn't worry about the Brewers. We know how the
history of the Brewers goes.
Speaker 3 (35:41):
That made me fine.
Speaker 5 (35:42):
But I'm saying, if you if you don't win your division, LeVar,
do you think that you've got a really.
Speaker 3 (35:46):
Good shot at going to the World Series.
Speaker 6 (35:48):
Well as history would show it in terms of in football,
I mean, you know what you did it last year?
They didn't win their conference, but they won it, won
a big ten, I mean, won the national title. So
I don't know how it works in baseball, but you know, hey, Wildcard,
it has happened in football. Wildcard Team's going heaters.
Speaker 1 (36:08):
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Speaker 4 (36:18):
We do have something to look forward to in the
NFL when it comes to the preseason. It was confirmed
that Travis Hunter is going to get opportunities going both
ways against the Pittsburgh Steelers. So he's going to play
some offense, He's going to play some defense. I will
say this about you know, Deon Sanders and the Colorado
experience and experiment that they put together there. He does
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have maybe two of the most interesting storylines at least
in the preseason opener. Want to see how this plays
out for Travis Hunter, want to see how it plays
out for Shador Sanders.
Speaker 2 (36:52):
Both from Colorado.
Speaker 4 (36:53):
So we're going to get to at least see Travis
Hunter try and get out there, play on offense and
play on defense, and to see how this experiment works,
so that's.
Speaker 2 (37:02):
Going to be enjoyable.
Speaker 4 (37:04):
Also, Patrick Mahomes is expected to play this weekend in
the preseason.
Speaker 2 (37:09):
And I'm not.
Speaker 4 (37:11):
Trying to say that this is why, but it is
interesting that the two best quarterbacks of the last decade,
Tom Brady and Patrick Mahomes always play in the preseason.
Speaker 1 (37:23):
Right.
Speaker 5 (37:24):
It's well in Kansas City has not struggled with fast starts.
You know, we talked about the Bengals and their struggles
with it, and in large part because I mean you
can go back to Joe Burrow back at Ohio State,
you know, having issues in the spring staying healthy, but
obviously in training camp, you know, being able to stay
healthy before the season. So since that is trying to
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do everything they can to get off to a fast start,
because even though you play seventeen games, you know, it's
still only one or two games that can be the
difference for them last year and unfortunately it was the
difference for them being a playoff team, and you know,
those early games matter.
Speaker 3 (37:58):
There's kind of a thought where you know, hey, you've
got the slow start, you can pick it up.
Speaker 5 (38:02):
The games in November December, the ones that matter the
most it's like, well, those games in September end up
coming back to bite in the ass a little bit.
Speaker 3 (38:09):
So I completely get it.
Speaker 5 (38:11):
As a quarterback, it's there's a sense in and it's
kind of like a like boxing too, Like you know
you're gonna get hit when you go in the ring,
but you take that first hit, it's like, Okay, you
gotta get that adrenaline drop.
Speaker 3 (38:23):
You get it, get it over with.
Speaker 5 (38:25):
With quarterbacks, it's very similar to you know, you're never
gonna go through a game where at least I would
say ninety nine percent of the time, you're not gonna
go through a game where you don't get touched. I mean,
if you're fortunate enough to play behind an offensive line
like that and have a game like that, that's great.
But you know, you are trying to get a sense in,
a feel for you know what the timing is going
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to be like in the pocket, What what that day
is going to look like navigating the pocket? You know
how much time we're gonna have, is our O line
gonna be able to you know, actually stand up to
this group upfront or not? And to get a sense
for that internal clock when you got to go and
oftentimes you know, playing some of those games in the
preseason game starts to get you into that flow a
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little bit better, you know, even something just battling through
the soreness. You know, you take a few hits. In
the next week, you're going through practice and getting used to,
you know, callousing, you know, to some of the sort
ofs that you that you face, still having to work
practice prepared for the next week.
Speaker 6 (39:20):
It's necessary evil, I would if I were ever a coach,
the whole I don't want to get a guy hurt
or get a guy injured in preseason. My whole thing
is it's a necessary evil to get your guys good
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game reps. Now, I'm not going to play you no
entire game. I might not even play you more than
two series, but I'm gonna give it two to three
series with all of my players pretty much every single
preseason game. Now that there's not three.
Speaker 4 (39:57):
Did you guys feel more prepared for week one of
an NFL season that there's not four? Did you guys
feel more prepared for week one of an NFL season
or week one of a college football season.
Speaker 5 (40:09):
The NFL, Yeah, you have preseason, you have training camp.
College You're like, I don't even know how good we are.
You know, like you're working through the kings, then you
could be beating the crap out of your defense. You're like, damn,
our offense feels pretty good. Or times if you're struggle
against your defense, you're like, all right, maybe our defense
is good, Like you really don't know.
Speaker 3 (40:25):
I remember our.
Speaker 5 (40:26):
Senior year because we you know, we ranked like two
or whatever. It was going into week one and we
go down play Georgia Tech and it was a battle, man.
I mean, you know, uh Tanuda, their defensive coordinator brought
a ton of pressure, a ton of blitzes, and you know,
we were able to escape with a win, but it
was a tight game. And afterwards, like we dropped in
the polls and I was like, well, I don't know
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how I think Georgia Tech's okay. They ended up playing
an a SEC championship game that year, But I just
remember thinking to myself, like, that's part of the issue
is you don't know until you get out there and
you go play. It's it's entirely different in college. I
just feel like pros give you a false sense of
either we're good or I don't know how good we
can be because the preseason doesn't. It's not a real
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sample size of how good a team is going to be.
I played on a Steve Spurrier team that we went
undefeated in the preseason and we won five games that year.
You know, it just didn't. It did not correlate to
what we were going to be in the regular season. Now,
I will say again, if you're playing your starters in
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the preseason, and if it was like the old school
way of doing it, where by the third game, if
you can play into the second half of a game,
you're ready for a real football game. I think the
idea of it, which, by the way, I don't think
pros condition and strength train as intensely and as really
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like I guess as much as you're forced to do
it in college, I think you're in better condition if
it's just based off of your college strength and conditioning
program versus PRO. I think PRO is a little bit
more laid back, it's a little bit more I think
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it's guys have to take on the personality of what
that strength and conditioning room is going to be like
by by team is what I would say. But college
you don't really have a choice, like it just it's different.
It's very I think it's way more intense in college
condition pro to your point, pro is the only thing
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guys worry about is the conditioning test, and it's gonna
be and only because you don't really do anything in
OTA's mini camp that is along those lines.
Speaker 3 (42:50):
And for some.
Speaker 5 (42:51):
Reason, either the coaches or I don't have the strength
coach in the NFL, they have this idea that you
need to pass something in order to prove that you
are prepared to play football. Meanwhile, what you're doing to
prove you're prepared to play for football is yeah, but
the running the running test isn't like the three hundred
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yard shuttle test is in no way applicable to playing
the game of football. True, you know, there's other tests
and things that teams do now because they've realized that
over time. But that would used to be like the
biggest concern from a strength training conditioning standpoint, at least
you know in regards to if you compare it to college.
But uh, it's I think the thing about the pros
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to your point about it being not always the best indicator,
at least in preseason, is because no one's game planning
and on top of that, there's just more parody in
the NFL. So, as you pointed out earlier, like even
the worst team can beat the best team on any
given Sunday because the margins aren't as big as we
make them out to be. In college football, the margins
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between the best and the worst is much wider. You know,
there's there's so much greater between the teams that have
all the talent the teams that don't. So the expectation
the way you can, you know, kind of go through
certain you know, weeks games to beat teams.
Speaker 3 (44:10):
You could use your.
Speaker 6 (44:10):
Different NML and you could use your second third team
to win those games. In reality, and in some cases,
in some cases you could use your second and third
string to win games. You're using your first string so
that they get their impactful reps and you can figure
out your timing and figure out what you are with
live reps. And that's why you don't you know, that's
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to me, the idea of changing formats around where you
play harder games or play conference games right out of
the gate. I love the idea of it. I think
it raises the stakes of it all instead of just
easing your way in there, is no shallow in. It
ain't like you walking off of the sand. You get
to feel how cold it is on your your toes,
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you get to feel how cold it is.
Speaker 5 (44:58):
On your shins. Then you're knees, then your quads, then
you know, then your waist, then you're in Like nah,
Like I kind of like, just let's get on in.
Let's go right on in. It's it's twelve feet deep.
The moment you touch it, there ain't no there ain't
no engine your way in. I kind of like that
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for college.
Speaker 6 (45:20):
Now that we have the playoff, you know, kind of
developing the way that it is with the amount of.
Speaker 3 (45:25):
Teams, like get to it, Like, let's get straight to it.
Speaker 6 (45:29):
You got enough time for training camp. Do what you
need to do in training camp. And and I would
ultimately say, the reason why maybe the committee would be
more favorable towards towards a team that loses a game
earlier versus loses a game later is for those reasons
is that you didn't have like that traditional sense of
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playing a small school and getting your feet under you.
You jump right to it. So if you got a loss,
you got a loss, but you got to finish that
out strong. Finish out strong. You got a chance. But
that's only to me. That's only if you're playing top
grade a competition from from Jump Street. No no easy
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Cake walks through the first week through the second week, like,
let's get to it.
Speaker 4 (46:17):
You know, Brady, you mentioned that Georgia Tech game to
open up the season back in six. You guys won
that game fourteen to ten. That was Joe Onawahi was yeah,
Georgia Tech. Yeah, it's Roman Reins. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (46:31):
Yeah, there's the captain there of that defense.
Speaker 5 (46:33):
There, so yeah, I mean it was more like guys
like Philip Wheeler and uh I think they had I
don't know if Derek Morgan was on the defensive end
or not, but they had some guys up front, some
of the linebackers that were.
Speaker 3 (46:44):
Like really stood out.
Speaker 4 (46:45):
Yeah, but you've got to win over a guy who's
made event in multiple WrestleManias. I mean, I don't know
where that goes on your list of accomplishments, but that's
got to be right up there.
Speaker 2 (46:58):
That's massive.
Speaker 4 (47:00):
You know, I don't care about wrestling just saying like this,
this is important.
Speaker 3 (47:03):
You're trying to get you're trying to do more. I'm
not you can do more. And second, come bring more
out yourself, all right, so hang it out yourself.
Speaker 4 (47:11):
I've never ski take okay, so empty the clip Jonas.
I was never ever critical when people would criticize Alabama
or some of these other programs for for scheduling a
cupcake or if they would schedule a big non conference
opponent like a USC it would always be on a
neutral site for Week one. For this reason alone, I
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don't know how the hell anybody would be prepared and
ready to go without some sort of ramp up in
a preseason game. We're what two weeks away from week
one of the college football season. Yeah, no, it's like
two weeks away because there's just a little bit more
the Ireland.
Speaker 6 (47:50):
I mean there's some Yeah, there's some games that are
being Yeah, I'm sorry, I'm focused there, I'm specific.
Speaker 2 (47:56):
I mean think about it. For those teams, how the
hell are you ready to go?
Speaker 3 (48:00):
Like? How?
Speaker 1 (48:01):
How?
Speaker 4 (48:01):
And and it makes the whole idea of and we've
talked about this before, like why are their preseason rankings,
like like how do you even know who's what?
Speaker 3 (48:10):
Why?
Speaker 2 (48:10):
Why do those exist at this point when when we.
Speaker 4 (48:14):
Have no preseason, no evidence, no body work, no, nothing,
players changing portal this and that.
Speaker 6 (48:19):
I don't know they're playing a team that's a real team,
like unless you're but you hold on. So Notre Dame is.
Speaker 5 (48:27):
Playing who first, Texas, Miami, Miamixas. Okay, So you got
those types of games. You're going to know coming out
of those games, what type of teams you have, like
and And the idea of it is is because you're
talking about two teams, those are heavyweight matchups. Now, if
you're coming out and and you're playing against I don't know, Alcorn,
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Damn Troy, you know, if you're playing against like you know, Texas, Abilene,
Christian the College right, And I'm making that up.
Speaker 3 (49:03):
I don't even know if that's true. But the point is,
if you're.
Speaker 6 (49:06):
Playing against a real team week one, you get an
idea if it's a good team or not, you get
a good idea. If you're playing against a cupcake team,
there's no way of knowing because the score or the
stats are not going to be indicative of how good
that team is. So it comes back to the conversation
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of the parody aspect of what's taking place at this level.
Are you playing against a real opponent when you get
out there and you play against them because all of
the resources that these power fours have, their off seasons
are probably in a lot of ways far more advanced.
The kids are far more well prepared with what it
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is that they have going on outside of the power
forward schools that they're going to go play against. So
if you go up against another power for you go
up against like one year, Penn State went up against
Purdue in Lafayette. They went into Lafayette and played their
first game.
Speaker 3 (50:06):
I love that.
Speaker 6 (50:07):
I love that, and that will to me, I think
that will give you more of an accurate indicator of
what type of team it can be. It's still potential
because they still have a lot of improving to do,
but I would I would say the measurement is much
different based off of that.
Speaker 5 (50:22):
Right, Florida State. In regards to the rankings. In regards
to the rankings, it's for TV, that's what's for because
the rankings you see early in the season aren't the
rankings that actually matter. The college football playoff rankings are
the only things that matter that doesn't even come out
until October. So it's for TV like that's it's the
way of selling the matchups as a top ten, top five,
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top twenty five matchup to get people to watch.
Speaker 4 (50:46):
Florida State was tenth going into the season last year.
They were awful. Yeah, as a turn and I just
think there's examples of that that you see all the time.
Speaker 5 (50:55):
But you also have a ton of teams, Jonnis, it's
not the NFL. You have thirty two in thirty three
teams individual and college football team.
Speaker 4 (51:02):
You get some stroke in college football. How would you
handle the rankings? When would you give rankings out after
week two?
Speaker 3 (51:09):
I would make the college Football Playoff Committee, Well, if
you're gonna do it, do it for the entirety of.
Speaker 5 (51:13):
The season, because one of the things that becomes difficult
to measure is when you go back and look at
strength and schedule and people start having the conversation about,
you know, would you account those ranked wins earlier in
the year before the playoff committee had their input, and
you know, because afterwards, if like, for example, that team
falls apart, what does it you know, can you say
they'd beat.
Speaker 3 (51:33):
A top ten team? I mean that's in hindsight.
Speaker 5 (51:37):
You can always go back and like, well, yeah, they
weren't a top ten team, Well they were at that
moment based on how someone felt. And obviously, you know,
basically there's a winner and loser of every game. And
so if you are, for example, a top ten, top
fifteen team and you lose that game, you drop which
is going to happen you know at that point in
time though, that's how you're viewed going into that game,
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which is kind of all that matters. So again, it's
a nuanced conversation. Everyone's got their own opinion. If it's
a ranked win, it's a ranked win. You know, I
kind of hate this whole Let's go back and look
at it in hindsight when it's like, well, then you're
completely letting all the people off the hook who made
the rankings in the first place. So either have rankings
or we don't. And why don't you make the committee
that makes them. Either do them at the beginning of
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the season, or just not do anything. Do a BCS ranking,
make it all computer and wait till the end of
the season to see who are the top teams that
end up making in the playoff.
Speaker 4 (52:29):
No, it's a good idea. Will it happen? Probably not.
This is the best of two pros and with Lamar A.
D Win and Jonas Knox on.
Speaker 2 (00:09):
Radio, how the hell are we feeling here on this
Friday morning?
Speaker 3 (00:16):
Good? Yeah, feeling great. It's Friday, baby, It's Friday.
Speaker 4 (00:22):
Feel a little bit better than Anthony Richardson at this
point or what hey.
Speaker 3 (00:26):
Man, that's uh, that's unfortunate.
Speaker 5 (00:29):
But also it's uh at this point and stage being
in the NFL, that just can't happen. And there's some
times where some things will surprise you. But that's one
where you go, Okay, you gotta see the rotation. You
gotta know what protection you've got. You have to know
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if there's gonna be a potential of a guy being unblocked,
and in that case, you know.
Speaker 3 (00:55):
He's looking left the whole way as as if he
feels like he should be protected.
Speaker 5 (01:03):
The hard thing is is if you look at the
right side of the play, in particular the right guard,
right tackle, because that linebacker, they off the ball. Linebacker comes,
which I would always say, you know, probably take the
d n don't take the linebacker. But if he felt
that he was the first threat, then that's a different story.
But he's got to know that it only takes one
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guy for him to be hot, for him to be
essentially in a position where someone's gonna hit you. This
is gonna be a free runner. And he had the
fly route, had the spot route. You know, was wasn't
even looking to that side of the field. But you
know that as a quarterback because the rotation of the safeties,
you know, usually when the defense you know, is bringing
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someone to press you or blitz you, they're going to
be you know, replacing the void that's created by that
blitzing defender. And the safeties based on the rotation, they'll
tell you someone drops down to that vacated spot and
he wasn't looking there his eyes immediately from the rotation.
Safeties should have taught him to look there, to be like,
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wait a second, something's up, and then quickly just flick
it out to the flat, throw hot, move on to
the next play. But instead he gets hurt and.
Speaker 3 (02:19):
Unfortunate.
Speaker 5 (02:20):
That's been the story of his career so far. Crazy
thing is the tackle didn't look either.
Speaker 6 (02:25):
Nobody looked at at the defensi end or a linebacker
however you want.
Speaker 3 (02:30):
He picked up the linebacker, He didn't pick up the end.
Speaker 6 (02:32):
Yeah, they nobody looked at him at all, And I
don't know. I obviously I'll defer to you on that.
I think you gotta be aware of the free guy.
I mean a lot of times these days, you gotta
you gotta be aware.
Speaker 3 (02:51):
And it's taught.
Speaker 6 (02:52):
So that's that's a very common concept, is to teach
that we're going to cover off on on taking care
of the most dangerous guys. You know, the guy's closest
to you. And in some situations there may be a
free rusher and that free rusher may be a DN
or or an outside backer. That's you know, those are
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the possibilities that are there based upon what the scheme
is that you know, you're you're running into play that
you're trying to accomplish. It may set something else up,
setting that guy free you. Sometimes you want him to
feel like that's what you want to do is run
run to the ball like you know, dog's tongue wagging
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like that's you want them to feel that because there's
something that is being set up and to not to
not be aware of that. I I don't think he
had to be fast to get to him. I think
any speed of player would have been able to get
to and he had to hit him. The way he
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got hit, it just makes you curious. It's like, Okay,
it's their first preseason game. Do we just attribute it
to that was a miss que and and just kind
of a you know, just didn't really give it the
attention that he should have or is there you know,
I don't.
Speaker 3 (04:15):
I don't want to get into saying is there a
bigger issue there? But there's there's a.
Speaker 5 (04:19):
Bigger issues there is the norm well the Norman him
getting hurt, But the problem is that and this is
what I'll say is this is how I got my
shot to start this exact scenario as far as a
quarterback not recognizing when there's pressure how to handle pressure,
pressure and blitzes. Now, I mean, look, I'll give Baltimore
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some credit. They kind of disguised it. They you know,
if you look at the offensive line, they're sliding out
some really the nickel slot because the safety is capped
over top of them. It gives you every indication that
you know that guy could potentially blitz. And then at
the snap of the football, the safety rotates back to
the middlefield safety rotates, the other safety rotates down to
vacate the space left by the blitzing linebacker on the
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front side, the right tackle picks up the linebacker, the
ends free like that is you know, I mean again
kind of one oh one of how do you how
do you try to overload a five man protection? And
that's one way of doing it. But as a quarterback,
when you're going into year three in the NFL, you've
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got to know this, like you've got to be able
to see it, the rotation of the safeties. I keep
saying that because that's how you're taught as a quarterback.
You you read the safeties at the snap of the
football and they tell you if there's any pressure, and
they're gonna tell you what the coverage is going to be,
in particular when it's in zone coverage. So the fact
that his eyes aren't there for whatever reason, I don't
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know if he's being coached that way, I'm gonna I'm gonna, well,
I'm willing to bet a lot of money's not knowing
Shane Steichen. So the next step is he's just not
He hasn't learned the way in which he's got to
process and he's got to, you know, see through into
the into the defense to see what the coverage is
gonna be. And this gets you hurt. Like when you
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talk about guys not going out there until they're ready,
because they make it hurt, especially at quarterback, this is
one of those examples. Guys will get hurt because they're
vulnerable and you know you're gonna have a DNT off
on you. He's gonna dislocate your pinky on your throng hand,
and that's a rap.
Speaker 3 (06:28):
He'd be out for another week. I'll sa'd you a
question based off of that.
Speaker 6 (06:31):
If you're a if you're a coach, you've probably run
this set in a practice, right. You've got to be
aware of the fact that Anthony plays it the way
that he's playing it. I mean, I guess, are you
able to to stay away from plays that you know
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he's insufficient at what he's supposed to do in that
in that set?
Speaker 3 (06:59):
Yeah, I would.
Speaker 5 (07:00):
I wouldn't if I was okay, if I was putting
together offense for Anthony Richardson, I would not use many
five man protections. Five man protections because that's on your
offensive line, folks. Everyone else is free releasing. So you
got guys who are gonna look quick if people are
blitzing and people are pressuring, but otherwise you are, It's
on you as a quarterback to then determine, like how
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you want to use those five offensive linemen.
Speaker 6 (07:25):
So it those three releasers was your tight end and
your running back.
Speaker 5 (07:31):
Well in that case, in that case it's you. It's
really your running back on the right side of it.
You should be hitting him quickly in the flat. The
spot routes is gonna be there quick too. Warren's running
like a corner route. That's your typical you know that
people call it spot, but that's your typical kind of
three level.
Speaker 3 (07:45):
Zone beater and and use your flat controls what you
want to get the ball at quick.
Speaker 6 (07:49):
Let me ask you this, in this five man protection,
when you have those releasers and you have the back
hitting the flat as your safety valve, don't I mean,
don't you need to check like over like he never looked.
Don't you need to check and say, okay, this is
going to be a free release, so I know I'm
going to have at least my flat. I'm gonna have
my back immediately. What was he looking at to.
Speaker 3 (08:11):
The other He's reading the other side of the field.
Speaker 6 (08:15):
It's like he was committed to what he wanted on
the other side of the field and was willing to
wait for it, whatever it was.
Speaker 5 (08:20):
And one of the mistakes that quarterbacks make is they
make their mind up before the snap of the football.
They see something and they say, I'm gonna throw this route.
I'm gonna throw this side of the field, either because
of a matchup, either because there's off coverage for example,
and they're saying, I know this route, this guy's gonna
win versus that coverage or that cornerback. So they make
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their mind up because they're just looking for completions, right,
they're trying to move the sticks. And the problem is
with that is then you forget about the protection. And
the protection always comes first because you can't throw throw
the football from your back. So that's that's oftentimes a
bad habit that quarterbacks make, especially as they're young or
if they're inexperienced. And again I always go back to
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the fact that Anthony Richardson has all the tools to
be a special quarterback.
Speaker 3 (09:10):
The problem is he's played so few games.
Speaker 5 (09:15):
So you look at a play like this last night,
where he's battling for a starting role on his team,
and I could promise you this, like Daniel Jones, he
might get fooled by some different Boetz coverage, not by
this one.
Speaker 3 (09:27):
I mean when you again, you and.
Speaker 5 (09:29):
You have a five man protection, and the best thing
I can compare it to is like ride a motorcycle.
Speaker 3 (09:34):
Without a helmet on. You feel vulnerable.
Speaker 5 (09:36):
You're out there amongst traffic, amongst everyone else, and you're looking,
you're looking for any potential danger or some car that's
something that's going to hit you.
Speaker 3 (09:44):
So you know, he's got to.
Speaker 5 (09:46):
Be more aware of everything the defense is doing because
it could ultimately impact you know, hitting him or which.
Speaker 3 (09:52):
Do yeah, which it did in this case.
Speaker 5 (09:55):
But also just where he should go with the football
because then a five man protection, which I and I
wouldn't call him, I wouldn't call with him in there,
you don't have much time anyway, it's like five guys
protect against most likely four maybe five.
Speaker 3 (10:09):
Yeah. No, they dropped off the backside edge.
Speaker 5 (10:15):
Again, it's your typical fire zone, you know, blitz, So
you drop off the backside end. I mean you're bringing
in an edge player. I mean, a Jabo should be
viewed as an edge player. You should not ever view
him as a linebacker because you don't want to put
a tight end or running back on him.
Speaker 3 (10:31):
You know your right tackle should be on him.
Speaker 5 (10:32):
The defense wins in this case because a they schemed
up the protection and b you have your right tackle
picking up an off the ball linebacker as compared to
a jabo, which if you're gonna hit by a quarterback,
you'd rather get hit by an off the ball linebacker,
not an edge player.
Speaker 3 (10:48):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (10:49):
Uh well.
Speaker 4 (10:50):
Anthony Richardson did talk after the game about the injury
and what he expects to happen moving forward.
Speaker 7 (10:57):
And I was weird he hit. I mean then I
was trying to make sure I had the ball and
I just looked down. I see my finger different direction.
I'm like, maybe I tripping. And I looked at it
again and it was definitely like that. So it's like,
I gotta get this thing pop back in place. But
I'm good though, I mean, it's a little swollen, but
it'll be It's just tender right now. It'll be a
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little bit more so in the morning, but I'll be good.
Speaker 3 (11:22):
Not a great When you dislocate a finger, it hurts.
Speaker 2 (11:26):
Not a great great start to the quarterback off.
Speaker 6 (11:29):
Not a great question. I hope you feel better, maybe,
like does it hurt? Like, let me come here, let
me dislocate your finger. Come here, let's let's see how
it feels it. Tell me how it feels afterwards, dude, like,
of coordsely it hurts you dislocated your finger. We'll go ahead, man, like, hey, hey, buddy,
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just one more question for you.
Speaker 3 (11:55):
So does it hurt so soon?
Speaker 4 (11:56):
So soon into the game too, like the first series
and that's that's just a wrap. And then you know,
Daniel Jones comes in, finished out the first half. Yeah,
so I don't know what that means. If this is
an indication as to who's got the advantage. It does
remind me of something I tell you about the time
Lovey Smith was deciding, oh yeah quarterback.
Speaker 5 (12:18):
Well you know he flipped a coin. It's him, pinky yeah.
But you know, I wasn't sure if if you guys
knew that story.
Speaker 3 (12:27):
So I just wanted to am I able to to
turn course on who's going to start week one?
Speaker 4 (12:31):
Because after the no okay, no, no, no, hey, I
told you I don't want to celebrate a guy getting injured.
Speaker 3 (12:40):
Though I don't.
Speaker 5 (12:40):
Here's what I'll say to you is like when I
said earlier, this is how I literally got my start.
Is my true freshman year two thousand and three, we
opened up with Washington State. They run your your typical
Sam Mike fire zone blitz right, so they rotate down
to that side, a strong linebacker, middle linebacker, both blo
drop the backside end play cover three behind it.
Speaker 3 (13:04):
We knew this. They running from underfront. It was like
the biggest tell.
Speaker 5 (13:08):
And I remember Carlisle Holiday and we were like on
our own, I don't know four something like that. They
lined up in under and I'm watching from the sidelines.
I'm like, oh, no, here comes and he drops back
just like Andy Richdon did. He looks left, never sees it,
gets crushed fumbles, they get the football, and it was
at that moment, and I remember the reaction of the sidelines,
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the reaction from our coach, though our offensive staff they
lost faith in him at that point because it was
harped on so much in practice, so much in meetings,
and it was one of those things where if you
can't recognize that, then it was gonna be a problem.
If you could work and be able to just kind
of find your tools to fix that. And so that's
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why now it's like, well, I can promise you this
was damning for Shane Ssych and their staff watching this
and how it happened. And obviously he's gonna be out
for a little bit because of how the pinky impacts
your grip to a degree and may not be that
long because it's probably the most insignificant finger on your
throng hand. But this, this will definitely hurt that quarterback
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competition for Anthony Richardson.
Speaker 3 (14:15):
Like this gives Daniel Jones a huge leg.
Speaker 4 (14:17):
Up because in a big year for Shane Steich, and
he'd like to have the answer who's going to be
the starter sooner rather than later.
Speaker 5 (14:22):
It's pro football, man, It's not even that it's it's
like with Kevin Stefanski, Shaudor could play phenomenal, it's just
going into week one, you want a guy who's been.
Speaker 3 (14:31):
There and done it. You know.
Speaker 5 (14:34):
It's not that he can, it's just like he's he
doesn't have to go through the firsts of everything of
getting into a game and say, hey, we gotta scrap this,
we gotta do this, we gotta change this. We're gonna
like that happens, and you want a veteran guy who's
been there, who's not gonna get flustered by it or
and not be like wait, what are we doing or
how are we doing this? Or but he's like, yeah,
I remember that thing we did week one in training camp.
We're gonna do that. Now we're gonna do this, And
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it's just there's a lot you know again, I we
always act. You can't compare this to like other professions
because of the athleticism that's involved. Like imagine someone asked
you to, like, you know, take over for a huge
sales pitch. You know, your first I don't know, four
months on a job and you've never done it before.
Like the whether or not the sale actually happens is
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in your hands, and you've never done it at any
point in time, you know. Versus a guy who's done
it for what does the hell what's flock going now
seventeen years? It's an entirely different scenario. It's an entirely
different conversation.
Speaker 3 (15:29):
And is aware of their their sales pitch.
Speaker 6 (15:32):
You know, I had an opportunity to be in their
sales pitch within that amount of time that he was
in there. I think it's a it's a great point.
Speaker 4 (15:40):
Can I tell you sus Factory, Can I tell you
something rude that LeVar said before the show?
Speaker 2 (15:44):
I thought this was rude.
Speaker 6 (15:46):
Of course, you guys know he's lying because no, no,
I might not be lying.
Speaker 3 (15:49):
You might not be lying. I'll let you.
Speaker 2 (15:51):
I'll let you finish off what you said.
Speaker 3 (15:53):
All right?
Speaker 4 (15:54):
I said before the show because we were talking about
Anthony Richardson, I said, Man, the Ravens don't man even
in the preseason, and what did you say?
Speaker 6 (16:02):
I sat down playing the postseason either, I mean they
do this.
Speaker 3 (16:08):
That's just rude. They don't, I mean didn't not didn't.
Who picked them?
Speaker 8 (16:12):
Though?
Speaker 5 (16:13):
We go to the super Bowl the year? Did you
pick them? I didn't pick anyone to go to the
super Bowl this year? Did you pick them?
Speaker 8 (16:20):
Or?
Speaker 3 (16:20):
Is it Prisco? Prisco of Baltimore was the green.
Speaker 4 (16:24):
Bay Prisco went same pick that he had last year,
Buffalo green Bay.
Speaker 3 (16:30):
That's what he's going. It's funny about that.
Speaker 5 (16:32):
By the way, Prisco, when Rogers was in Green Bay,
picked like the Packers every year, and for some reason
he hasn't done that with the Chiefs. He's like just
stayed with the Packers. It's really weird.
Speaker 6 (16:45):
I would not be surprised if it is a repeat
Super Bowl, Yeah I will Yeah, I would not be surprised.
I think Philly is going to be over the top
better than what they have been.
Speaker 2 (16:59):
Look a look at the NFC.
Speaker 4 (17:01):
If it's not them, who it's complete, it's completely wide open.
Speaker 3 (17:05):
Well, why you guys, right off San Francisco.
Speaker 6 (17:07):
I told you, I've wrote I've written off San Francisco,
not even to make it into the playoffs, not even
when their division.
Speaker 3 (17:15):
I don't know why people are so high on them.
Speaker 2 (17:18):
Favorable schedule, and he would have.
Speaker 6 (17:22):
Long term feel like sometimes that is a little overstated.
Easy schedule, Like, Bro, there is no such thing as
an easy game in the league. Bro, Like I hate
when we talk about how well he's They've got the
fifth ranked or third ranked, easiest schedule.
Speaker 3 (17:40):
They're all pro team.
Speaker 2 (17:42):
If you got New Orleans on your schedule, that right,
that's a second by away.
Speaker 3 (17:46):
It's a valid point. Maybe not if you catch them
early in the season. Though.
Speaker 6 (17:50):
The problem with with bad organizations that those types of
teams win, they win games they're not supposed to win,
and and then they lose the other ones. Like that's
just it is what it is like they'll win two
or three games during the course of the year, Like, wait,
they're heading for the super Bowl? How did they beat them?
But they can't beat anybody else? You don't know. You
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catch a bad team early on in the season while
they still got some fight left in them, you could
get bit just trap games. A Saints team right now
could be considered a trap team because they don't have
nothing else to play for if they stink as bad
as everybody thinks they're going to be. That's one of
those teams where you sit there and you say they
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could give a team easily a loss that they weren't
supposed to get to get that track, I'm just not
the trap. I'm just not high on can y'all please
explain to me. I know we're up on break, but
I just need to understand why is everybody so high
on the Niners.
Speaker 3 (18:50):
I don't get it.
Speaker 6 (18:52):
I don't get why every like I don't think Brock
like okay, Brock Purty does a big deal like great.
I mean, he had the opportunity to prove that he
could be more than just people saying he has personnel
to be a great quarterback.
Speaker 3 (19:09):
He didn't do it. He didn't pass that test.
Speaker 6 (19:13):
They weren't a great team last year, and by all indications,
what makes them a better team than what they were
last year? What's the difference? Because I look at Kyle Shanahan,
He's always been the determining factor to me.
Speaker 5 (19:28):
Okay, they get Robert Sala back. I mean, are we
saying that's going to be the difference. So this defense
is going to be a world beating defense now that
Robert Sala's back.
Speaker 3 (19:36):
Healthier, Well, they're healthier. They were pretty good when he
was there.
Speaker 6 (19:40):
They were pretty good when he was there, But I
don't know that, I mean, does that equate to them
being pretty good again now?
Speaker 3 (19:47):
I don't know. I just don't. I don't. I'm just
curious as to why people are.
Speaker 6 (19:52):
So high on the Niners because I'm out, Like, I'm
not in on them at all.
Speaker 5 (19:58):
So obviously healthy Christiancca, he's back. So remember he missed,
uh you know last year basically the entire season, uh
all accounts. Ricky Piersoll's had an incredible camp. Some of
us said he's been the best player in training camp.
So if they get that out.
Speaker 3 (20:13):
Of the first round pick they drafted a year ago,
that's a big deal.
Speaker 2 (20:16):
Remember he got shot shot right right.
Speaker 3 (20:20):
Jwan Jennings is still there, you know, I don't know.
Sure it's Haunds the Ayuke deal and he's there, but
there's some frustration.
Speaker 5 (20:28):
But if he if he you know, he stays, you
got you still got kittle with McCaffrey and use check
like I mean, all the pieces are back, so I
think they kind of brought everyone back to make another
run of this thing. I here's my biggest concern is
I feel like McCaffrey is the catalyst of the offense
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because of his versatility, and it makes it very difficult
to come up with schemes that are going to be
effective against them because you just don't know where he's
going to be from play to play. But I don't
know if he holds up. And if I were a
betting man, if there were a betting line saying, will
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Christian McCaffrey make it through the year healthy, I would
take the bet against him staying healthy.
Speaker 6 (21:16):
That's one. And I don't wish any ill on anyone.
I don't wish him to get hurt. That's not me
putting that on him.
Speaker 2 (21:24):
But if you can make money on it, at the table.
Speaker 3 (21:26):
I'm just saying.
Speaker 6 (21:27):
I'm just saying, if it's a bet, I'm taking that bet.
Then can Trent Williams stay healthy? Those to me are
the two singular most important pieces to this team and
what they do this year. And I do not have
a full amount of confidence that the health of those
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two will stay intact for an entire season, or even
long enough for them to get through a major bulk
of the season. I just think they get banged up,
and I don't think this is the same team when
they're when guys are banged up.
Speaker 3 (22:06):
I'm just not high on them. I don't know.
Speaker 6 (22:08):
I just I'm just not high on the Niners. Well,
this is what I do know. Well, you know that
we can see, we can see Q is perfect time.
Speaker 2 (22:17):
Fay come on, yeah, come on, let's go.
Speaker 6 (22:20):
Yeah, put my finger back in.
Speaker 3 (22:38):
What's what's come on to the ball.
Speaker 6 (22:41):
Let's feel me in, fill me in, fill me in,
kill me in, Come on, come on, come on, all right, Mark,
come on.
Speaker 3 (22:48):
Come on, let's make let's make you mad. Let's make
you mad. Let's let's let's switch to the other version.
Let's don't you let's let's do it every ere we
go night. It is a.
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Speaker 4 (23:57):
Speaking of Tyler Warrens alma mater, Penn State, so apparently
the complaints are back. Ross Buork, the athletic director for
Ohio State, was on recently Here we Go.
Speaker 2 (24:12):
All Sides and I wait to hear.
Speaker 4 (24:16):
He was asked a question about what things could look
like for the blackout game for Ohio State, and the
conversation turned into this.
Speaker 5 (24:24):
Also planned to do a blackout game versus Penn State.
Speaker 2 (24:26):
So you're asking everywhere to wear black.
Speaker 5 (24:29):
Does that mean it'll be a night game?
Speaker 2 (24:31):
I think we know you're signed.
Speaker 8 (24:32):
I think we know the buck Eyes drive big noon kickoff.
That'll be a high powered game. So I think we
probably know what's going to happen around game time for
that one.
Speaker 2 (24:43):
What do we what do we know?
Speaker 1 (24:44):
I don't know what you mean.
Speaker 2 (24:45):
It'll be at noon, it won't be at night.
Speaker 8 (24:47):
Fox, Well, they love the Buckeyes and big Noon is
a big deal, right, They've invested in that that time slot.
Speaker 2 (24:55):
So I think, okay, you don't want to you don't
want to answer.
Speaker 8 (24:59):
We'll presume it's a big noon. It's a twelve noon kickoff.
Speaker 4 (25:02):
So Buckeye fans aren't thrilled with the prospect we're going
to make a blackout game at during the day, at
noon Eastern time. So here we go again, usual complaints
about the stage and the platform.
Speaker 2 (25:17):
And by the way, this has so here's here's.
Speaker 5 (25:20):
What I'm not going to do, all right, So this
is only a piece of the interview. I think this
is part of the issue with the media is we
get a clip like this, we react like this, we
don't listen to the whole thing. Ross Byorke went on
to say, we spent a lot of time working with Fox,
work with a big ten to understand. Look, we know
we've chosen. We're chosen for a big neon kickoff.
Speaker 3 (25:40):
We know it.
Speaker 5 (25:41):
Our brand is the biggest brand, we have the most viewership,
we have the biggest fan base. We've carried their window
in that noon kickoff. What we're asking for is just
a little more flexibility. York said, why does every one
of our new games have to be at noon?
Speaker 3 (25:55):
Right?
Speaker 5 (25:56):
But the TV contracts, the way they're laid out is
Fox has the first They own the noon window. They
don't own a night window, they don't do a three
thirty window. They have the first pick. And then it
goes to the pulling of NBC and CBS and the
big ten network. CBS owns three thirty, NBC owns seven thirty.
There's not flexibility within that. Fox can't just say, hey,
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for this game, we won a seven thirty window, and
for this game, we want a three thirty window. So
the lack of flexibility that is kind of built into this,
to me, that's the part we have to do to
chip away at.
Speaker 3 (26:28):
So that's the full quote.
Speaker 5 (26:30):
So when you hear it in context, ros Biork is
saying exactly what I've told y'all, and I've told fans
and I've told people who are frustrated by this. This
is a byproduct of a Big ten media rites deal
that Kevin Warren, who was the commissioners now with the
Chicago Bears, structured. This is a deal that every Big
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ten school agreed to. And this deal because the noon
kickoff has been so successful and has dominated that noon
window of all the windows up until last year was
the first year where ESPN, ABC one in the primetime
window that has allowed their schools And this is you know,
based off numbers that I'm getting from twenty twenty three
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and twenty twenty four, it's allowed Big ten schools to
profit anywhere between ten to eleven million more per year
than the SEC schools. And that's if you look at
the past two years, o High State won the national championship,
Michigan won the National championship. Penn State's playing in the
semi final. There's a reason that gap between the Big
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Ten and the SEC continues to grow, with ten million
more infused every year that the SEC is not getting
from its media rights deal. Why because they have just ESPN.
The Big Ten has three different networks who've paid a
premium you could say, for what they're getting. And so
because of that, it's allowed those Big Ten schools to
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have more cash or cash to be spent on all
sorts of other things. I'll let your mind wander there,
but it's allowed them to be more competitive. So people
can complain about the noon window. I mean, at least
if you're a Penn State fan, it's equal rights. You
got Ohio state of Noon last year. Now the state's hosting.
Speaker 3 (28:16):
You this year. So there you go. That's what I
was thinking.
Speaker 4 (28:19):
Like Ross Piorg, I never I didn't take any offense
to what he said. I didn't think he was being
pissy about it. I didn't think I think he was
just telling it how it is. I don't understand there's
the two biggest pregame shows in college football are big
noon kickoff in game day period, not even close.
Speaker 2 (28:36):
I didn't even know if there is another one.
Speaker 4 (28:38):
If one of those comes to your school and puts
on their show and brings it to the show, that's you.
Speaker 2 (28:48):
I agree with that and that, and.
Speaker 4 (28:49):
That's the part that irritates me is that the complaints
of well, you know, we want to be on later listen.
Speaker 2 (28:56):
I get all that.
Speaker 4 (28:56):
Maybe it's gonna, you know, affect your plans the night before.
Maybe you're gonna have to cut trick or treating a
little bit earlier the night before and come out in
November first for a blackout game during the day. But
how much good big noon kickoff and game Day has
done for programs in schools around the countries for decades now,
For some reason, they're fixated on this thing and they're
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complaining about it, and I just I don't get it.
I don't understand. I know, yeah, we want to be
at night, we want all this. There are schools and
programs around the country that would kill for an opportunity
to be featured on that stage, on that platform. And
given that opportunity, and all they've done is complain for
the most part with that, I don't.
Speaker 6 (29:37):
Say it though, a night game of a game of
that magnitude is fricking ridiculous. I mean, just speaking from
the other side of it, a night game with potentially
that's going to be probably one and two something to
that effect by the time we get to that game.
Speaker 2 (29:57):
Tough balls.
Speaker 4 (29:58):
Hey listen, I were black all the time during the
day at night works both ways. Who cares, it's not racist.
Speaker 6 (30:04):
I'm just saying a night game, for that type of
a game is like I can understand it for the
idea of what the experience represents for them. You get
the tailgate all day, most people are are very very
lubed up by the time the game comes around. Some
people don't make it to some people don't even make
it to the game. Some people don't make it through
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the tailgate, but come back ready for the game. I mean,
there's all kinds of different things that take place for
night games, but for one as big as this, when
you're able to create that environment. And I'll be the
first one to say, a day game, a day game
white out does not even come close to what a
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night game white out game is like energy wise, for
whatever reason it is doesn't even come close. I mean,
and all our white out games are pretty freaking awesome,
but the night games, it just it hits different, that's all.
Speaker 3 (31:04):
And it is what it is. The business of it
is the business of it.
Speaker 6 (31:07):
But I can understand where a fan that doesn't get
involved with all of the minutia that surrounds, all of
the TV deals and all that stuff that they really
don't need to concern themselves with at a bare minimum.
Speaker 3 (31:20):
I'm a fan of the game and I love it.
Speaker 5 (31:21):
But also I think it also differs depending on your perspective.
Like in Penn State Beaver Stadium, night games are big
as the white out right, and that's always been a tradition.
It's always been a big deal for Penn State. The
biggest game in Ohio state schedule has not ever been
a night game. It's Michigan. It's Michigan. That's always traditionally
been an early game, early kick. You know, Notre Dame,
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all our bigger games were three point thirty. They weren't
night games, at least not at home. So it all
depends on their perspective of it. Now a lot's changed
in college football because of stadium renovations. Now Notre Dame
is able to play night games because they have a
light system.
Speaker 6 (31:57):
That's us too, but that's Penn State as well. State
did not have lights. They put lights in specifically to
be able to do for ye for these night gets.
Speaker 3 (32:05):
We're white out. Yeah.
Speaker 5 (32:07):
And look, that's what I'm saying is the bulk and
majority of regular season games have always been played earlier
in the day. That's more than the tradition of college football.
That's typically been the history of college football. So it's
funny to me that like I remember, like being younger,
going up whether it's to Columbus, to Ohio State or
Notre Dame, and like to be kegs and eggs. Like
people would be, you know, out partying in the morning
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everything else and they'd be doing keg stands, like while
someone's on a griddle making eggs and like egg sandwiches
and stuff, and they're going, this is nuts, this is crazy.
Speaker 3 (32:37):
Like I didn't I didn't think this thing like.
Speaker 5 (32:39):
Existed, and like somehow, some way, like it's all transitioned
now where it's like kids don't.
Speaker 3 (32:45):
I mean, they don't really party like that anymore. You know.
Speaker 5 (32:47):
It's like they like want to kind of go late,
and then I create viral moments that like night or something.
I don't know, the whole thing is just completely flipped.
But Here's the reality is no one's like we're all
in her standing of what comes with a night game.
And again it's not like Fox didn't try to move
that game. Like week one, they've tried to move to
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Sunday night in primetime. Texas didn't want to do it.
You know, They've talked to some of the partners. They
want to do it.
Speaker 3 (33:15):
They are making like you you heard me read the quote.
Speaker 5 (33:17):
From ross by Orke about trying to change some things.
There is some movement there. There's some things that are
going to be worked on to be changed in the future.
But it's not out a lack of effort. It's just
out of a lack of the deal that's been signed
so far. And I think that's the tough part is
once you understand, you know the business and the parameters
of it, it is what it is and you have
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to lean into it and known it and realize that
you know, it's still allowed the Big ten to be
more successful than the SEC, which is the ultimate goal.
It's just unfortunate for a High State fans. They had
to play i think last year, like six noon games
in a row, you know, and then you look at
the House State Penn State game. I mean, one of
the things that no one factors in is Fox happens
the air the World Series. So like Penn State fans
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are upset lilast Year, and and like people at Fox like,
well we have Yankees Dodgers and you want us to
tell Rob Manfred, Hey, do you guys mind the first
pitch being at like you know, one pm, three thirty
for the World Series? But how's that conversation gonna go?
It's just not realistic. So there's there's obviously, you know,
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battles that you you know, you gotta pick and choose
your battles, and this is one that it's being worked
on behind the scenes. There will be changed in the future.
This is not gonna be changed for this season. I mean,
you're gonna be there, bar Oh, I'll be there. I'll
be there for certain And.
Speaker 4 (34:37):
By the way, that is World Series time, uh, And
that they based on what I'm seeing, if there's a
Game seven of the World Series, it would be on Saturday,
November first, So I can assure you they're probably not
swapping out Penn State Ohio State if there's a Game seven,
you know, if it gets that far though.
Speaker 3 (34:54):
I mean it.
Speaker 5 (34:55):
And the problem is, I think I tried to say
this earlier and I was I was wrong. The World
Series outrated Ohio State Penn State last year and has
traditionally outrated that game. So even even smaller market games.
I went back through like the last ten years of
World Series games and they all have outrated the Ohio
State Penn State matchups. So it is what it is.
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How much i'd like to think, I think by a
few million. Yeah, yeah, I mean it's the World Series.
It's the pinnacle of you know, major sport.
Speaker 4 (35:28):
And plus the Cubs have a strong fan base, so
there's gonna be a lot of people tuning in.
Speaker 3 (35:32):
I can't wait to see the Brewers in there. It's
you can't win your division, I.
Speaker 4 (35:36):
Wouldn't worry about really going to get to the Worlds.
I wouldn't worry about the Brewers. We know how the
history of the Brewers goes.
Speaker 3 (35:41):
That made me fine.
Speaker 5 (35:42):
But I'm saying, if you if you don't win your division, LeVar,
do you think that you've got a really.
Speaker 3 (35:46):
Good shot at going to the World Series.
Speaker 6 (35:48):
Well as history would show it in terms of in football,
I mean, you know what you did it last year?
They didn't win their conference, but they won it, won
a big ten, I mean, won the national title. So
I don't know how it works in baseball, but you know, hey, Wildcard,
it has happened in football. Wildcard Team's going heaters.
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Speaker 4 (36:18):
We do have something to look forward to in the
NFL when it comes to the preseason. It was confirmed
that Travis Hunter is going to get opportunities going both
ways against the Pittsburgh Steelers. So he's going to play
some offense, He's going to play some defense. I will
say this about you know, Deon Sanders and the Colorado
experience and experiment that they put together there. He does
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have maybe two of the most interesting storylines at least
in the preseason opener. Want to see how this plays
out for Travis Hunter, want to see how it plays
out for Shador Sanders.
Speaker 2 (36:52):
Both from Colorado.
Speaker 4 (36:53):
So we're going to get to at least see Travis
Hunter try and get out there, play on offense and
play on defense, and to see how this experiment works,
so that's.
Speaker 2 (37:02):
Going to be enjoyable.
Speaker 4 (37:04):
Also, Patrick Mahomes is expected to play this weekend in
the preseason.
Speaker 2 (37:09):
And I'm not.
Speaker 4 (37:11):
Trying to say that this is why, but it is
interesting that the two best quarterbacks of the last decade,
Tom Brady and Patrick Mahomes always play in the preseason.
Speaker 1 (37:23):
Right.
Speaker 5 (37:24):
It's well in Kansas City has not struggled with fast starts.
You know, we talked about the Bengals and their struggles
with it, and in large part because I mean you
can go back to Joe Burrow back at Ohio State,
you know, having issues in the spring staying healthy, but
obviously in training camp, you know, being able to stay
healthy before the season. So since that is trying to
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do everything they can to get off to a fast start,
because even though you play seventeen games, you know, it's
still only one or two games that can be the
difference for them last year and unfortunately it was the
difference for them being a playoff team, and you know,
those early games matter.
Speaker 3 (37:58):
There's kind of a thought where you know, hey, you've
got the slow start, you can pick it up.
Speaker 5 (38:02):
The games in November December, the ones that matter the
most it's like, well, those games in September end up
coming back to bite in the ass a little bit.
Speaker 3 (38:09):
So I completely get it.
Speaker 5 (38:11):
As a quarterback, it's there's a sense in and it's
kind of like a like boxing too, Like you know
you're gonna get hit when you go in the ring,
but you take that first hit, it's like, Okay, you
gotta get that adrenaline drop.
Speaker 3 (38:23):
You get it, get it over with.
Speaker 5 (38:25):
With quarterbacks, it's very similar to you know, you're never
gonna go through a game where at least I would
say ninety nine percent of the time, you're not gonna
go through a game where you don't get touched. I mean,
if you're fortunate enough to play behind an offensive line
like that and have a game like that, that's great.
But you know, you are trying to get a sense in,
a feel for you know what the timing is going
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to be like in the pocket, What what that day
is going to look like navigating the pocket? You know
how much time we're gonna have, is our O line
gonna be able to you know, actually stand up to
this group upfront or not? And to get a sense
for that internal clock when you got to go and
oftentimes you know, playing some of those games in the
preseason game starts to get you into that flow a
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little bit better, you know, even something just battling through
the soreness. You know, you take a few hits. In
the next week, you're going through practice and getting used to,
you know, callousing, you know, to some of the sort
ofs that you that you face, still having to work
practice prepared for the next week.
Speaker 6 (39:20):
It's necessary evil, I would if I were ever a coach,
the whole I don't want to get a guy hurt
or get a guy injured in preseason. My whole thing
is it's a necessary evil to get your guys good
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game reps. Now, I'm not going to play you no
entire game. I might not even play you more than
two series, but I'm gonna give it two to three
series with all of my players pretty much every single
preseason game. Now that there's not three.
Speaker 4 (39:57):
Did you guys feel more prepared for week one of
an NFL season that there's not four? Did you guys
feel more prepared for week one of an NFL season
or week one of a college football season.
Speaker 5 (40:09):
The NFL, Yeah, you have preseason, you have training camp.
College You're like, I don't even know how good we are.
You know, like you're working through the kings, then you
could be beating the crap out of your defense. You're like, damn,
our offense feels pretty good. Or times if you're struggle
against your defense, you're like, all right, maybe our defense
is good, Like you really don't know.
Speaker 3 (40:25):
I remember our.
Speaker 5 (40:26):
Senior year because we you know, we ranked like two
or whatever. It was going into week one and we
go down play Georgia Tech and it was a battle, man.
I mean, you know, uh Tanuda, their defensive coordinator brought
a ton of pressure, a ton of blitzes, and you know,
we were able to escape with a win, but it
was a tight game. And afterwards, like we dropped in
the polls and I was like, well, I don't know
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how I think Georgia Tech's okay. They ended up playing
an a SEC championship game that year, But I just
remember thinking to myself, like, that's part of the issue
is you don't know until you get out there and
you go play. It's it's entirely different in college. I
just feel like pros give you a false sense of
either we're good or I don't know how good we
can be because the preseason doesn't. It's not a real
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sample size of how good a team is going to be.
I played on a Steve Spurrier team that we went
undefeated in the preseason and we won five games that year.
You know, it just didn't. It did not correlate to
what we were going to be in the regular season. Now,
I will say again, if you're playing your starters in
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the preseason, and if it was like the old school
way of doing it, where by the third game, if
you can play into the second half of a game,
you're ready for a real football game. I think the
idea of it, which, by the way, I don't think
pros condition and strength train as intensely and as really
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like I guess as much as you're forced to do
it in college, I think you're in better condition if
it's just based off of your college strength and conditioning
program versus PRO. I think PRO is a little bit
more laid back, it's a little bit more I think
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it's guys have to take on the personality of what
that strength and conditioning room is going to be like
by by team is what I would say. But college
you don't really have a choice, like it just it's different.
It's very I think it's way more intense in college
condition pro to your point, pro is the only thing
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guys worry about is the conditioning test, and it's gonna
be and only because you don't really do anything in
OTA's mini camp that is along those lines.
Speaker 3 (42:50):
And for some.
Speaker 5 (42:51):
Reason, either the coaches or I don't have the strength
coach in the NFL, they have this idea that you
need to pass something in order to prove that you
are prepared to play football. Meanwhile, what you're doing to
prove you're prepared to play for football is yeah, but
the running the running test isn't like the three hundred
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yard shuttle test is in no way applicable to playing
the game of football. True, you know, there's other tests
and things that teams do now because they've realized that
over time. But that would used to be like the
biggest concern from a strength training conditioning standpoint, at least
you know in regards to if you compare it to college.
But uh, it's I think the thing about the pros
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to your point about it being not always the best indicator,
at least in preseason, is because no one's game planning
and on top of that, there's just more parody in
the NFL. So, as you pointed out earlier, like even
the worst team can beat the best team on any
given Sunday because the margins aren't as big as we
make them out to be. In college football, the margins
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between the best and the worst is much wider. You know,
there's there's so much greater between the teams that have
all the talent the teams that don't. So the expectation
the way you can, you know, kind of go through
certain you know, weeks games to beat teams.
Speaker 3 (44:10):
You could use your.
Speaker 6 (44:10):
Different NML and you could use your second third team
to win those games. In reality, and in some cases,
in some cases you could use your second and third
string to win games. You're using your first string so
that they get their impactful reps and you can figure
out your timing and figure out what you are with
live reps. And that's why you don't you know, that's
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to me, the idea of changing formats around where you
play harder games or play conference games right out of
the gate. I love the idea of it. I think
it raises the stakes of it all instead of just
easing your way in there, is no shallow in. It
ain't like you walking off of the sand. You get
to feel how cold it is on your your toes,
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you get to feel how cold it is.
Speaker 5 (44:58):
On your shins. Then you're knees, then your quads, then
you know, then your waist, then you're in Like nah,
Like I kind of like, just let's get on in.
Let's go right on in. It's it's twelve feet deep.
The moment you touch it, there ain't no there ain't
no engine your way in. I kind of like that
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for college.
Speaker 6 (45:20):
Now that we have the playoff, you know, kind of
developing the way that it is with the amount of.
Speaker 3 (45:25):
Teams, like get to it, Like, let's get straight to it.
Speaker 6 (45:29):
You got enough time for training camp. Do what you
need to do in training camp. And and I would
ultimately say, the reason why maybe the committee would be
more favorable towards towards a team that loses a game
earlier versus loses a game later is for those reasons
is that you didn't have like that traditional sense of
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playing a small school and getting your feet under you.
You jump right to it. So if you got a loss,
you got a loss, but you got to finish that
out strong. Finish out strong. You got a chance. But
that's only to me. That's only if you're playing top
grade a competition from from Jump Street. No no easy
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Cake walks through the first week through the second week, like,
let's get to it.
Speaker 4 (46:17):
You know, Brady, you mentioned that Georgia Tech game to
open up the season back in six. You guys won
that game fourteen to ten. That was Joe Onawahi was yeah,
Georgia Tech. Yeah, it's Roman Reins. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (46:31):
Yeah, there's the captain there of that defense.
Speaker 5 (46:33):
There, so yeah, I mean it was more like guys
like Philip Wheeler and uh I think they had I
don't know if Derek Morgan was on the defensive end
or not, but they had some guys up front, some
of the linebackers that were.
Speaker 3 (46:44):
Like really stood out.
Speaker 4 (46:45):
Yeah, but you've got to win over a guy who's
made event in multiple WrestleManias. I mean, I don't know
where that goes on your list of accomplishments, but that's
got to be right up there.
Speaker 2 (46:58):
That's massive.
Speaker 4 (47:00):
You know, I don't care about wrestling just saying like this,
this is important.
Speaker 3 (47:03):
You're trying to get you're trying to do more. I'm
not you can do more. And second, come bring more
out yourself, all right, so hang it out yourself.
Speaker 4 (47:11):
I've never ski take okay, so empty the clip Jonas.
I was never ever critical when people would criticize Alabama
or some of these other programs for for scheduling a
cupcake or if they would schedule a big non conference
opponent like a USC it would always be on a
neutral site for Week one. For this reason alone, I
(47:33):
don't know how the hell anybody would be prepared and
ready to go without some sort of ramp up in
a preseason game. We're what two weeks away from week
one of the college football season. Yeah, no, it's like
two weeks away because there's just a little bit more
the Ireland.
Speaker 6 (47:50):
I mean there's some Yeah, there's some games that are
being Yeah, I'm sorry, I'm focused there, I'm specific.
Speaker 2 (47:56):
I mean think about it. For those teams, how the
hell are you ready to go?
Speaker 3 (48:00):
Like? How?
Speaker 1 (48:01):
How?
Speaker 4 (48:01):
And and it makes the whole idea of and we've
talked about this before, like why are their preseason rankings,
like like how do you even know who's what?
Speaker 3 (48:10):
Why?
Speaker 2 (48:10):
Why do those exist at this point when when we.
Speaker 4 (48:14):
Have no preseason, no evidence, no body work, no, nothing,
players changing portal this and that.
Speaker 6 (48:19):
I don't know they're playing a team that's a real team,
like unless you're but you hold on. So Notre Dame is.
Speaker 5 (48:27):
Playing who first, Texas, Miami, Miamixas. Okay, So you got
those types of games. You're going to know coming out
of those games, what type of teams you have, like
and And the idea of it is is because you're
talking about two teams, those are heavyweight matchups. Now, if
you're coming out and and you're playing against I don't know, Alcorn,
(48:53):
Damn Troy, you know, if you're playing against like you know, Texas, Abilene,
Christian the College right, And I'm making that up.
Speaker 3 (49:03):
I don't even know if that's true. But the point is,
if you're.
Speaker 6 (49:06):
Playing against a real team week one, you get an
idea if it's a good team or not, you get
a good idea. If you're playing against a cupcake team,
there's no way of knowing because the score or the
stats are not going to be indicative of how good
that team is. So it comes back to the conversation
(49:27):
of the parody aspect of what's taking place at this level.
Are you playing against a real opponent when you get
out there and you play against them because all of
the resources that these power fours have, their off seasons
are probably in a lot of ways far more advanced.
The kids are far more well prepared with what it
(49:49):
is that they have going on outside of the power
forward schools that they're going to go play against. So
if you go up against another power for you go
up against like one year, Penn State went up against
Purdue in Lafayette. They went into Lafayette and played their
first game.
Speaker 3 (50:06):
I love that.
Speaker 6 (50:07):
I love that, and that will to me, I think
that will give you more of an accurate indicator of
what type of team it can be. It's still potential
because they still have a lot of improving to do,
but I would I would say the measurement is much
different based off of that.
Speaker 5 (50:22):
Right, Florida State. In regards to the rankings. In regards
to the rankings, it's for TV, that's what's for because
the rankings you see early in the season aren't the
rankings that actually matter. The college football playoff rankings are
the only things that matter that doesn't even come out
until October. So it's for TV like that's it's the
way of selling the matchups as a top ten, top five,
(50:44):
top twenty five matchup to get people to watch.
Speaker 4 (50:46):
Florida State was tenth going into the season last year.
They were awful. Yeah, as a turn and I just
think there's examples of that that you see all the time.
Speaker 5 (50:55):
But you also have a ton of teams, Jonnis, it's
not the NFL. You have thirty two in thirty three
teams individual and college football team.
Speaker 4 (51:02):
You get some stroke in college football. How would you
handle the rankings? When would you give rankings out after
week two?
Speaker 3 (51:09):
I would make the college Football Playoff Committee, Well, if
you're gonna do it, do it for the entirety of.
Speaker 5 (51:13):
The season, because one of the things that becomes difficult
to measure is when you go back and look at
strength and schedule and people start having the conversation about,
you know, would you account those ranked wins earlier in
the year before the playoff committee had their input, and
you know, because afterwards, if like, for example, that team
falls apart, what does it you know, can you say
they'd beat.
Speaker 3 (51:33):
A top ten team? I mean that's in hindsight.
Speaker 5 (51:37):
You can always go back and like, well, yeah, they
weren't a top ten team, Well they were at that
moment based on how someone felt. And obviously, you know,
basically there's a winner and loser of every game. And
so if you are, for example, a top ten, top
fifteen team and you lose that game, you drop which
is going to happen you know at that point in
time though, that's how you're viewed going into that game,
(51:59):
which is kind of all that matters. So again, it's
a nuanced conversation. Everyone's got their own opinion. If it's
a ranked win, it's a ranked win. You know, I
kind of hate this whole Let's go back and look
at it in hindsight when it's like, well, then you're
completely letting all the people off the hook who made
the rankings in the first place. So either have rankings
or we don't. And why don't you make the committee
that makes them. Either do them at the beginning of
(52:19):
the season, or just not do anything. Do a BCS ranking,
make it all computer and wait till the end of
the season to see who are the top teams that
end up making in the playoff.
Speaker 4 (52:29):
No, it's a good idea. Will it happen? Probably not.
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