August 13, 2025 • 53 mins
Wednesday on 2 Pros and a Cup of Joe, Anthony Gargano and Brady Quinn call out Jerry Jones for loving controversy over winning. The Bills ink James Cook to a huge contract. The Old P, Petros Papadakis joins the guys to talk about the pressure on the Dodgers, overreaction to social media Venmo post from John Mateer and much more!
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
This is the best of two pros and a couple
Joe with Lamar airings and rating Win and Jonas Knox
on Radio.
Speaker 2 (00:13):
Good Morning Brady, Good Morning Anthony. How are we doing,
brother good Man? I just I can't wait too. I know,
I know it can't come fast enough. You know, the
preseason gives me like a little dose of it. You know,
you're seeing the different guys mix in, you're seeing some hits,
you're seeing some football. It's it's nothing like Week one, though,
And honestly, you know, just from having played, even though
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you were playing in the preseason a little bit, you
still really didn't get a sense for like what your
team was going to be.
Speaker 3 (00:44):
And I think the hard part was.
Speaker 4 (00:45):
That the longer I got in the league, the more
I realized if you were a team that didn't know,
you were very good because most of the best teams
they know, Like I remember being in Seattle in twenty
thirteen in their training camp, praying in preseason all that,
and they knew like that that was a team that
like they knew they were going to go on and
then compete for a Super Bowl that year, and then
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obviously they ended up going on to win it. But
there are other teams where you know, there was more
of a question. You're sitting there going, okay this looking
at looking back on this, that wasn't a good thing.
Like you either know and if you don't know, yeah,
you got you're gonna have some problems.
Speaker 3 (01:21):
You know what's nuts is you bring this up.
Speaker 5 (01:24):
So al Shan Jeffrey when he came over to Philadelphia
from the Bears. I was talking to him and this
is when Carson Wentz was the starting quarterback and uh,
the Eagles were like five and eleven at that point
the year before, and I remember talking to Alice Man.
Speaker 3 (01:43):
He's like, dude, this team's really good.
Speaker 5 (01:46):
Yeah, he said, we're gonna we go. He goes, this
is a super Bowl team. And I was like, listen,
I think it's the playoff team. But he's like, no, no, no,
you don't understand. It's a super Bowl team. And Lowell
behold they win the super Bowl. And he was right,
and he called it the minute he got here. I'll
there freakingt He looks around and he was like it
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was like a weekend and he was very thoughtful with.
Speaker 3 (02:09):
It, and he's like, dude, this is a super Bowl team. Yeah,
there's just some teams that look different.
Speaker 4 (02:14):
You know, we talked about that a little bit with
college football, the ones that compete for a national championship.
When you're in when you're a part of a team
that you look at the twos and threes other positions
and or even like fours in training camp right now,
and you go, man, these guys are all competing like
these Like there's guys who are gonna get cut, who
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are going to be immediately picked up because they're that good.
Like they might start elsewhere. They're a third stringer here,
but they're going to start somewhere else. Like when you
have a roster like that, you're like, yeah, okay, like
I can see where this is going. I mean, everyone
knows about the Legion of Boom. There were guys though,
that had so much depth behind there. You know, Byron
Maxwell eventually came along, Jeremy Lane eventually came along. You know,
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you could go on down the list. I mean they
cut Anchoine Winfield, who had a hell of a career.
I think they had paid a million bucks just to
just to come out for the offseason. So there's there
was a bunch of like really really talented defensive backs
who you know somewhere on that seems sort of part
of that run. Something that going to somewhere else, some
came back. I mean, there was a bunch of depths.
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So I always looking back at that roster, some of
the best rosters and just saying, the players know because
the ones that don't.
Speaker 3 (03:27):
They're not in it. And it's easy.
Speaker 4 (03:31):
It's easy enough to see that feel that even in
training camp, preseason.
Speaker 5 (03:36):
So I feel fairly confident in saying this, But you
know who's not a super Bowl team right now?
Speaker 3 (03:44):
Who's that? The Cowboys? Come on now, they're not. They're not.
Speaker 5 (03:51):
And I got a point to Jerry, And Jerry was
making the rounds again and he's had a premiere in
Netflix premiere and he's talking about the America's team thing. Right,
He's talking about his team, and he's talking about controversy
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and how controversy is good. Now, I want you to
take a listen to him so you get his act
exac words, and I'm gonna tell you why this.
Speaker 3 (04:23):
Is exactly what's wrong and what's.
Speaker 5 (04:25):
Keeping them from being a real super Bowl contender.
Speaker 6 (04:30):
I do believe if we're not being looked at, then
I'll do my part to get a slop down the
Cowboys or soap opera three hundred and sixty five and
so oh, it's wonderful to have the great athletes, have
the great players.
Speaker 3 (04:47):
But there's something more there.
Speaker 6 (04:48):
There's sizzle, there's emotion, and if you will, there's controversy.
Speaker 3 (04:53):
That controversy is good stuff.
Speaker 6 (04:55):
In terms of keeping and having people's attention.
Speaker 3 (04:59):
Brady, it's not good stuff. No. In fact, why they became.
Speaker 5 (05:04):
America's team was because they were dynastic. They were a
team that had two dynasties in the seventies with stallback
and door set and too Tall Jones and then in
the nineties with Aikman and Emmon and Michael Irvin.
Speaker 3 (05:24):
And they were great.
Speaker 5 (05:26):
So people loved them or hated them because they were great.
That's what made them America's team. Then you couple in
all the ancillary things, the cheerleaders, the whole, the whole
feel about it, the fact that they were brilliant to
get on Thanksgiving Day. You know, that created generations of fans.
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But now it's a circus, Brady, it's not America's team.
They were American circus.
Speaker 4 (05:58):
Well, one push back, a little one because you are
a Philly fan.
Speaker 3 (06:03):
But that being said, that being said, I can look
at it objectively.
Speaker 4 (06:07):
Yeah, no, And you are in this case because it's
been thirty years, and I don't think you can take
them seriously for almost every single one of those seasons,
with the exception of maybe the Romo des Bryant Lambeau,
you know catch wasn't a catch like that team that year.
Maybe that was the one team you'd say like, Okay,
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they had a shot like that. That team, you know,
probably was a catch and who knows how that plays
out if it is, and the rest of that season
and the playoffs. But to your point, it does feel
like everything's about everything other than the main thing, and
that's football, and that's winning football games and a lot
of the business that Jerry has done. And I don't know,
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have you ever been out to Frisco where they have
their practice facility everything. It's unbelievable, it really is, and
it's ridiculous.
Speaker 3 (06:59):
Yes at it.
Speaker 4 (07:00):
As a player, I go, Man, it's an incredible facility
for those players who go there, which you know, I
was brought into you know a time when you get
in the NFL and you know a lot of times
the college facilities are actually better than the NFL facilities,
you know. I mean in Cleveland didn't even have a
full indoor field, right, you know, it was like a
sixty yard said whoever, it was like seventy yard field.
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So you know you're coming from these monstrous facilities. All
these schools are building up in like this arms race
for that was the thing that would you know, recruits
would be enamored by back then, and the NFL teams
did not have that. And yet Dallas has always had everything,
but it's always been about it feels like since that
run in the early nineties, everything other than what was
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actually happening on the field during games, and I just
you know, you hear from players who feel like while
they're working out and the offseason, guys are coming by,
they're given tours, you know, almost like they're you know,
over at the zoo just being observed by my people
who come by.
Speaker 3 (07:58):
You hear all these things. You just go, so, how
is that good for the team?
Speaker 4 (08:02):
And then you look for the business of letting contracts
drag on with Dak Dragon with CD Dragon now with
Micah Parsons, we talked about the Brian Schottenheimer hiring. And
it's no, it's not a shot against Brian Schottenheimer that
he might do a great job for him this year, right,
it's just how it came about, like you moved on
from a guy who had won you or had won
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a super Bowl that you brought into Win one. I
don't know, maybe you feel like he gave enough time.
Speaker 3 (08:28):
Maybe not.
Speaker 4 (08:29):
You let a guy go who now it looks like
he's got this team building to be a playoff contender
in Washington and dan Quinn and then you hire Brian
Schotteneimer because he was just kind of the last guy
at the bar standing there.
Speaker 3 (08:41):
I mean, that's what it felt like to me, dude, exactly.
Speaker 5 (08:45):
And listen, I've met Jerry in the nineties. I've been
doing this a minute, right, and you don't want to
talk about an engaging man, an incredible businessman, everything about
and cool, I mean, engaging and the whole thing. You know,
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he's Jerry Jones. But the issue is exactly what you
just said, is that it's not when he's talking about
the circus.
Speaker 3 (09:15):
He enjoys this stuff.
Speaker 5 (09:17):
He wants the cowboys to be out there, and I
get it, right, that's marketing one.
Speaker 3 (09:20):
Oh, one. You know, there's no bad publicity.
Speaker 5 (09:24):
I get all that, but it all stems from winning,
like when you become a great franchise, a franchise like
the Cowboys was a great franchise.
Speaker 3 (09:35):
And yet when I was.
Speaker 5 (09:36):
A kid, I hated the Cowboys because I grew up
in Philadelphia and half the football fans were Cowboy fans.
I was an Eagles fan because I grew up in
Philadelphia and so and Eagles weren't good. In fact, they
were a laughing stock of a franchise. So of course
I would be jealous and resentful the Cowboys, but it
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came from a place of ad. They were the gold
standard of NFL franchises and now they're not. My only
argument to all this is it should be about winning,
like everything comes from winning.
Speaker 3 (10:18):
Look at the Chiefs.
Speaker 5 (10:20):
The Chiefs become this incredible franchise and Travis Kelsey and
Taylor Swift and all everything else, Patrick Mahomes and Andy
they become this incredible franchise in Chiefs Kingdom because they win.
It's always about winning. The sideshow circus is just a
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distraction and it doesn't mean anything. It's hollow if you
don't win.
Speaker 4 (10:45):
Brady and I think, you know, I go back to
even like looking at some of the college roots of
you know, you look at the University of Alabama, which
is going through kind of a dark period of time
at least you know, around when I was in school,
and you know, when Nick Saban got there. A lot
of people don't understand the impact that Nick Saban had,
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not not just on football. Like people look at it,
and I think they looked at his success and they say, wow,
that was incredible. Look at me national championships he won.
Look at the foundation he built. How he kind of
turned the tide where that you know, the SEC became,
you know, even that much more dominant. You know, it
kind of was in spots, right orb mid won a
couple and then you know Saban got to BAM and
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started to build that up, and LSU had had their moment.
But you know at that point in time too, like
Ohio State was still rolling, Michigan was rolling. But my
point is football was the high tide, and even to
this day, that changed that entire campus. Like every single
person will tell you if you've ever been to Tuscaloosa,
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what it looks like in twenty twenty five, and what
have looked like back in two thousand and four, two
thousand and five, two thousand and six is drastically different,
large part because of the investment they made in football
to then once again become a giant. They were always
a blue blood, but then they became a giant because
of their success. And with the success of Nick Saban
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became greater development around the actual school in Tuscaloosa and
the university. What came along with that was better students.
They got more roles, Rhodes scholars now, better faculty, better
pay for them, every single thing. They were the high
tide that raised every boat because of the success of
Nick Saban and what they've been able to do. And
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now that's a more legitimate school because of football. And
there's by the way, there's probably more schools should take money.
Speaker 5 (12:40):
I'll hear of students going to Alabama from the northeast
New York and Philly.
Speaker 4 (12:48):
Which that seems new, right, Like I don't remember hearing
that ten to fifteen exactly.
Speaker 5 (12:51):
Like my nephew is going to Votec and he's like,
I'm looking at Alabama. He just wants to be a
part of the up, a good student, right, Yeah, your
parents gonna pay intuition, pay the freight, and he's looking
to go there because of football.
Speaker 3 (13:08):
Like you see these kids.
Speaker 5 (13:09):
Go, oh man, that looks like so much fun to
be down at Georgia or Alabama, LSU being an sec
country because of that.
Speaker 3 (13:18):
And you're right, you all steps from football.
Speaker 5 (13:22):
It steps from building that and when you build something great,
it does rise.
Speaker 3 (13:29):
And you know who agrees with us? Who's that?
Speaker 5 (13:31):
Denzel agrees with us? Denzel was on First Take, Take a.
Speaker 3 (13:37):
Listen, there's box office and as oscars.
Speaker 1 (13:42):
Jerry been a while, he ain't been to the show.
Speaker 4 (13:45):
You wouldn't know hadn't been to the show, so you
wouldn't know what it is to win.
Speaker 3 (13:50):
All money ain't good money. Jerry, dude, he's not wrong?
Speaker 4 (13:54):
Is he the best of I mean, I've got a
lot of questions about his Dallas fandom and first Place?
Speaker 3 (14:00):
I mean, yeah said I know there's a.
Speaker 4 (14:04):
Clip and he talked about why and all that and probably.
Speaker 3 (14:10):
Of New York how.
Speaker 4 (14:13):
You become a Dallas Cowboys, mean, if not for just
their success, which or whatever into each their own. But
he does bring up a good point in perspective too,
like you know, what he's doing might be great for
the brand, but the brand becomes diminished if the substance
of the brand is football and winning, and they've been
without that to a degree. Like, you know, I think
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the one thing that Dallas has done is they've been
able to remain intriguing and interesting because they haven't been
They're not a cellar dweller. They're a team that's gonna
probably compete to be a playoffs team, right, and then
once you get in the playoffs, everyone feels like you
have hope. It's a one game, sudden death playoff scenario.
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Team could get hot end of the season. Like they're
all almost riding that fine line of there's enough hope
and optimism, enough success that they don't have to get entirely,
you know, put on the uh, the brown the brown
paper bags and go to games.
Speaker 3 (15:15):
It's not a disaster. It feels like that.
Speaker 4 (15:18):
But once they get to playing games, they're good enough
to be able to be a playoff team.
Speaker 3 (15:23):
But then it just kind of ends there.
Speaker 5 (15:24):
Well, and it goes back to you brought up Schottenheimer, right,
he brought up the coach.
Speaker 3 (15:29):
Let me ask you a question, all.
Speaker 5 (15:31):
Right, you especially knowing what Jerry wants, which is all
this controversy, soap opera, that sort of thing. You have
Belichick there, and I don't care what anybody says, girl friend,
whatever it is, that guy did not forget how to coach.
That guy is a great football mind. Why would you
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do if you were going to move on from McCarthy,
which you know we've debated the no matter what, because
we both don't think you should have done that. Uh,
then why not just go? You want to make them relevant?
You got Bill, go take the shot. You're an a team
that needs to win now anyway, why would you just
go with Belichick?
Speaker 3 (16:16):
I think it's a great question.
Speaker 4 (16:17):
And during that period of time, and this is what now,
a couple of years ago, I remember hearing the reports
about the Atlanta Falcons and people in the front office
who are concerned for the job are well being because
if if Bill Belichick comes there, he's gonna clean house
and he's gonna, you know, do things his way, and
you know that's gonna be tough for people aren't gonna
like the work environment. I remember thinking that going if
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I'm an owner, what do I care, rucky, Because if
that's what it takes to be successful and win as
many Super Bowls as he did, and play as many
Super Bowls as he did with the New England Patriots.
Speaker 3 (16:53):
Don't I want that? Like, isn't that the success that
I want? And so it's crazy to me that you
get these these you know, owners.
Speaker 4 (17:00):
That get persuaded to overthink things and not bring in
a guy like Bill Belichick, which I mean, look, if
Jerry Jones had any concerns about Bill Belichick and his
dating life and what is you know, how old his
girlfriend is, It's like Jerry's still doing this too. Yeah,
if there's if there's age concerns at this point, like
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about still doing the job, I think it's kind of
been eliminated, right Like Bill Bill went down to North
Carolina to be the head coach there at a college
where there's a lot more on his plane, and and
like he can still do the job. We'll see what
it looks like this season. But I look at that
and I just say, age couldn't have been a problem.
I don't think the girlfriend issue was a problem. I
think Jerry's probably seen stuff come across stuff before in
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his life that that doesn't bother him. I don't have
the slightest idea outside of maybe Bill Belichick didn't want
it because he wasn't going to get the control. And
I think that's one of the reasons where you find
Brian Schottenheimer, and honestly, you find a lot of head
coaches that jobs because they're not they're concerned they're not
going to get another shot at another one, and so
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they take a job full well knowing or at least
having an idea of what that ownership is like, and
they're saying, well, I'm gonna take the payday. I'm gonna
take this shot because I believe I'll be able to
turn around anyway, or like maybe I'll get lucky, but
at least I'm getting the pay day out of it.
I mean, there are guys who literally looked probably at
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that Dallas Cowboys job and said, yeah, I'm okay, Like
I just I wouldn't be able to work for Jerry
Jones and deal with what Mike McCarthy had to deal
with or Jason Garrett had to deal with, and now
Brian Schottenheimer will have to deal with.
Speaker 3 (18:40):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (18:40):
Yeah, I still think it was Jerry who didn't want
Bill because it would take shine off of him or
some sort of I mean control what Maybe I don't know.
Speaker 4 (18:55):
I mean, did Mike McCarthy like sleep over at Jerry's
house when they were like interviewing him? Yeah, maybe Bill
decline and sleepover, you know maybe.
Speaker 3 (19:02):
Yeah. I'm good, I'm not sleeping over.
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Speaker 5 (19:51):
Just reported James Cook and the Bills reach a contract extension,
the most guaranteed money for running back in the last
five years.
Speaker 3 (20:02):
Brady wow.
Speaker 4 (20:05):
I mean obviously saw Saquan's deal, you know, after the
Super Bowl and everything this this season as far as
the average annual value, but haven't seen the numbers for
this yet. What is that number for the most guaranteed
or is he just you know, simply steady.
Speaker 3 (20:18):
Yeah, he's stating even put it out yet. Forty eight
million extension, thirty million guaranteed. Oh there is Oh, all right,
all right.
Speaker 4 (20:27):
I mean he's a very talented player. You just hope
he can stay healthy. It's always a concerned with every
running back, but in particular with him too, you know,
I think, but he's I mean again, when they lean
on him, he can do it all man, he can catch.
Speaker 3 (20:41):
Out the backfield.
Speaker 4 (20:41):
Well, he's kind of got that, that vision and that
slipperiness to him for you know, for his size. But
it's an interesting move when you look at you know,
Philly obviously invested in Saquon and they leads them to
helps lead them to a super Bowl, and then they
give them the extension.
Speaker 3 (21:00):
This offseason, the Bills are trying to get one.
Speaker 4 (21:03):
They're trying to get there, and now they got a
guy obviously who you know, again they haven't leaned on
to carry them a ton.
Speaker 3 (21:08):
But as they build up their score right.
Speaker 4 (21:10):
Around Josh Allen, it does feel like they're investing the
money in the right spot and maybe that pendulum for
the value of a running back is swinging back the
other way, where now these guys are starting to actually
be able to capture their worth as opposed to just
being looked at as you know, running back by a
committee room or just some sort of commodity that you
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can get a running back anywhere.
Speaker 5 (21:33):
Well, think about it, right before last year, Shea Kwan
and Derrick Henry are your free agents, Like they're free agents.
The two best backs in the league are free agents,
and they go for nothing.
Speaker 4 (21:51):
Relatively speak right, right and again, like if you look
at how much they're actually impacting the offense and carrying
the load for a lot of the teams, it's just
it's crazy. But I understand the business standpoint of it too.
You know, if you can find guys who come in
that do it just as good of a job, you
know you can get for cheaper, it makes sense. I
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think the interesting dynamic that I've seen in regard that
regard to like the economics for running backs in the
NFL is a lot of running backs are staying longer
in college because they can earn more money and they're
valued more at that level as opposed to at the NFL,
where once they get there, they get their shot and
then they you know, if they can't make it.
Speaker 3 (22:33):
You're not getting a contract. Yeah, you're not getting a
second contract. So you know, yeah, it makes sense. You know.
Speaker 4 (22:40):
It was definitely not one of the cause and effects
that I thought we see from name, image and likeness
and college players being paid, But.
Speaker 3 (22:47):
That was one of the effects. No, I mean, we'll
think about it.
Speaker 5 (22:50):
And there was always a steadfast rule that you burn
it back out and you don't get in a second contract.
Speaker 3 (22:56):
A lot of gms operated under that. You don't want
to you don't want to do it.
Speaker 5 (23:01):
So if you're if you're gonna do that, then the
running back needs to stay and then you come in
you get your one big contract.
Speaker 3 (23:10):
You know.
Speaker 5 (23:10):
Now'll say quantity and anomaly, right, I mean, you know,
plus last year a lot of highway bodels.
Speaker 4 (23:15):
Yeah, yeah, And I think that's also one of the
pitches that you hear from a lot of these colleges
where they stack those running back rooms and they'll say,
you're not gonna get you know, get a lot of
you know where on your on your tires. We're gonna
we're gonna rotate you guys in you know, so it
doesn't matter who you I mean, look at penns Day,
we talked about them, Kate Tron, Allen, Nick Singleton, Notre
Dame's got an entire room of guys.
Speaker 3 (23:37):
I mean it's you know.
Speaker 4 (23:38):
Anias Williams, Jeremiah Love and Jendarium Price like they'll all
three share the carries and and you know it's it's
helped out as far as recruiting and some of these
teams being able to retain a lot of the top
running backs knowing that, hey, if my number gets called
ten times a game, great, Like it's gonna keep me
fresh on me looked at the exact same by the
NFL level as I, you know, I'm going to be
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in college and so I can get paid for another
year or two real money and then eventually go on
take you know.
Speaker 3 (24:07):
Take my crack at the NFL. Hey, let me ask you,
what do you think of the bills?
Speaker 5 (24:12):
Because we just got to talking about the Cook extension
and this is it, like the chiefs now they're great
and obviously, and I don't think they're going to have
a fall off. I maybe Andy rebuild is offensive line,
and they're really good. But this is the year, right
If I want to make any other team a favorite,
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it's Buffalo. Do they have enough for Josh on the
outside with Coleman, gear and Palmer.
Speaker 4 (24:42):
It's so tough to feel like they do. However, I mean,
we've seen years where you know, we've questioned that. I mean, obviously,
remember when the Chiefs left Tyreek Hill and then they
still end up winning a Super Bowl, And so it
doesn't mean you always necessarily have to happen. Now, granted,
they've got a future Hall of Famer at tight end.
Uh maybe Dalton can Care and Dawson Knox the combination
can help shoulder some of that. But they really need
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to see some some growth and improvement out of that group.
I just you know, I'm not sure clarkor you know,
Shakir uh Keon, Coleman and Palmer are are gonna be
able to carry it. But again, you look at the
money where they're investing in James Cook. That's probably a
signal because they're gonna be running football little more balanced
than they have been. And that's not necessarily a bad
(25:28):
right and and that's what helps protect them, right, you know,
running the football, playing great defense, but they're gonna have
to have someone step up to be able to make
the big play when when called upon. And unfortunately for them,
they you know, had that guy in Diggs. He's no
longer there. You know, whether or not they're they're feeling
that loss, I don't think they do in the regular season.
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I think that's that's a loss that you face when
you get to the better teams and those teams start
to kind of take away some things, and then you
you struggle to be able to find that guy that
can step up in the big moment.
Speaker 3 (25:59):
You know, I don't know.
Speaker 5 (26:00):
That maybe because you need somebody could spread that could
spread the field in those big games, right, like you
see allence shrinks on you.
Speaker 3 (26:10):
I mean, look how the Chiefs play you. They're gonna
they're gonna play you short.
Speaker 5 (26:13):
In the game, and and they're gonna if you had
that home run hitter on the outside, I mean, that's it.
Speaker 3 (26:20):
That's I think that's the only thing they lack.
Speaker 4 (26:24):
Yeah, and look at Keon Coleman might develop into that
you know he might be you know, that guy at
some point, but until until that happens, you know, until
you see that growth, I mean, you're just not gonna
feel over the confidence.
Speaker 3 (26:37):
And then being able to win that way.
Speaker 4 (26:38):
And to your point, look, some some coaches feel more
comfortable if they, you know, are able to spread the
football around. But I think they'd be lying to you
if they didn't feel like, hey, we need to have
that one guy though we know we can depend upon
in that critical moment. And I don't know that they,
you know, feel like again they have that guy unless
I don't know. Maybe maybe Bill's fans feel like I'm
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wrong and maybe Coleman will become that But I don't know.
Speaker 5 (27:02):
Maybe I hope he does. I listen, I love McDermott.
I'm a big Sean McDermott guy. I know Sean from
back in the day. He's great people, great family and
uh and I listen, if there is a fan base
that deserves to win, like.
Speaker 3 (27:20):
Justice, it's that fan base.
Speaker 5 (27:22):
I mean, let's be real, like they deserve if Justice
says anything, they deserve a super Bowl.
Speaker 3 (27:28):
Yeah. No, I mean I think there's a few up there.
Speaker 4 (27:30):
I was I was thinking, I got of the rust
Bell Cleveland, Detroit, any one of those three. I'm waiting
for you guys to get a Super Bowl Detroit Cleveland.
Speaker 3 (27:40):
But yeah, yes, oh no, it's true.
Speaker 5 (27:43):
Those three, those three franchises, Detroit, Cleveland, Buffalo. They're great fans, right,
the tremendous football people and they're loyal.
Speaker 3 (27:57):
You know, sports Justice sit smile on.
Speaker 1 (28:01):
It.
Speaker 4 (28:01):
Should Well, we'll see if if it really does. I
just love the fact that, you know, the Bill's new stadium,
it's still going to encompass some of the elements.
Speaker 3 (28:10):
Apparently they've dug it.
Speaker 4 (28:11):
Down solo and I'm not sure if you saw this
that the wind really isn't going to impact the game.
At least that's what they're saying based on the construct
of this stadium, that it will be an outdoor venue,
but the wind should not impact the actual game conditions.
So I got to read more than that and figure
out how that's the case. I mean, you'd figure if
it's open air at some point wind could could have
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to play a factor. I just remember the old stadium,
that thing would swirl and I'll never forget because one
of my first one of my first starts was on
Monday night football there, and it was cold and it
was windy, and when we would I would walk around
the field with Phil Dawson and dave's Astido or a
kicker and punter, and we talk about, you know, kind
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of the wind to different spots. Because if you're a
midfield and you're throwing a go ball on the left
hand inside of that back pilon, it's gonna get knocked down.
You throw it to the right side, the right pylon,
it's gonna carry it out of bounds. And so it's
almost like hitting like a golf shot. You were really
talking about the way you had to kind of adjust
how you're gonna throw based on where.
Speaker 3 (29:15):
You were on the field.
Speaker 4 (29:16):
You know, I think coming out, I'm throwing a go
ball down the left hand side, it's gonna be into
the wind. You don't have to flip your thinking, and like,
those are little things you'll think about. But man, it
that wasn't It was always an interesting stadium to have
to play in and try to throw the football and
then pierce through that win.
Speaker 3 (29:35):
To me, how Allen will cut throw it? How he
could cut through the win?
Speaker 4 (29:41):
Yeah, Well, he's got a strong with a farm and
he spins it. Well, Like that's one thing that you
see a lot of these a lot of these guys
to come out of college. You know, they really try
to hone in on trying to spin the football because
if you throw it, if you throw a wobbly ball, man,
that thing is never gonna make it through like you
always did, like the Kurt Warner, you and Peyton back
in the day. I mean, those guys are playing inside
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for half their games. We thank god because they would
not be able to throw the through that sort of win.
But you know, it's a little more comforting to be
able to play in the confines of being indoors and
not have to deal with those sorts of conditions.
Speaker 1 (30:16):
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Speaker 5 (30:26):
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Speaker 3 (30:42):
Hello Hi Anthony, Hi Brady, Hi Petros. What's going on? Brother?
Everything's all right? Good, I'm I'm here, I'm I'm here,
I'm up. I'm ready to go. No issues this week
with the alarm or anything. No, not really, no, No,
I'm good. We have an event today in uh in
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Anaheim for the last Dodger Angel game of the week
and U sho hey Otani's going to pitch. So we
have a show in Anaheim at Brewery X. It starts
at two if anybody's in Los Angeles and interested. So
that's that's awesome. Yea going on today? How ridiculous is Otanio? Seriously?
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Last night gets robbed by the triple play right, ropes
that ball.
Speaker 5 (31:34):
And then boom bomb top of the night wins the game.
Speaker 3 (31:40):
Yeah they didn't win though, right, but you get my
you know, comes up kluts. Yeah, well they went ahead
with that. Kenley Janssen a former Dodger closer who everybody loves. Actually,
the Dodgers probably should have signed him. He's a lot
cheaper than a lot of the guys they signed, and
he's having a lot better year and maybe they'll sign
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him next year because he wants to stay in southern California.
But yeah, that was a pretty dramatic moment to see
Kenlee Jansen, who was such a great Dodger for so
long and a record breaking closer for them versus Otani.
And last night Jansen went up there and just blew
the Dodgers away a couple of strikeouts. And to see
Otani do that was pretty impressive. And he's a great player.
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I mean, he's a lot of fun to watch. He's
definitely on his own program and there's a lot that
comes with it. But you know, it's hard to imagine.
The Dodgers are such a cash cow and have always been.
The brand is just huge, and in the city of
Los Angeles it means so much and always has and
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they bring in what three four million almost fans a year.
It's the most visited sport on Earth. And all of
these things were the truth before Otani came, and the
fact that Otani's there now, and just the branding, the
Japanese interest, the Japanese tourists that show up on days
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that they're not even playing and buy thousands of dollars
worth of merchandise by the bus load. It really is
a phenomenon. And like you said, Anthony, I mean, the guy,
it's not like he just goes up there and strikes
out all the time, though he has struck out a
lot this year, and the strikeout's always been part of
his game. But for him to perform like he does
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when he does is pretty remarkable. A triple play which
you don't see, and then the home run against Kenley
and yeah, but they.
Speaker 5 (33:43):
Did lose last thing, and then Bretty go for it.
But I'm just curious, is there concern? How much concern
is there of the Pods because now they're starting to
play hot, right, they had the great trade deadline and
now they're playing good. They've now tied the Dodgers. How
much concern is delvasin Diego. I think there's a lot
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of concern.
Speaker 3 (34:04):
I mean, they made the bunch of moves at the deadline,
and they have a real chip on their shoulder. I mean,
up until last year, the Dodgers, other than the COVID Championship,
and everybody kind of rolls their eyes at those the
Dodgers had underperformed in the playoffs. Last year, all of
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those stigmas got erased. But we've been dealing with the
Dodgers running away with a division and they end up
losing to the Diamondbacks, a team they dominated the whole
year and then they losing the playoffs of the Diamondbacks
or they losing the playoffs to the Curly w where
they losing the playoffs of the Padres, which happened not
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long ago. Most people the general consensus was that Padres
Dodgers was the best series of the playoffs last year,
and whoever won that series was going to win the
World Series because those were the two best teams. Whether
that was true or not, that is how it shook out.
So I think there's a lot of concern there's going
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to be a hell of a series coming up this weekend.
They're tied right now, and to think that the Dodgers,
with this payroll and the way everybody was talking in
the offseason, are in this position in a very heated
divisional about as the season goes on, I think shocks
a lot of people, because there was they had a
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nine game lead in July. Early July, the Dodgers had
a nine game lead, and now that has all but disappeared,
and we got a series coming up this weekend, So
a lot of reasons to stay tuned to the Blowtorch
on a five to seven LA Sports here.
Speaker 4 (35:48):
In Los Angeles, that's right, that's right. And one more
reason is the real estate issue that's going on. Can
we dive a little bit deeper into that with Otani?
Speaker 3 (35:57):
It's not like I know much about it, but it
is interesting. I mean, this is what two years in
a row, and there's two stories about him dealing in
the world of not baseball or somebody around him dealing
in the world of not baseball. And we're talking about crazy, weird,
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shady business dealings. The epe Mitsuhara thing, which he was
very quickly exonerated of by the FBI. Some people more
skeptical about that than others. And then this, which is
I need to talk to my litigator real estate friend
to understand it a little bit better. But it looks
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like they got involved with somebody, you know, a La
Reggie Bush in a much different situation. They got involved
with somebody that somebody had all their eggs in that basket,
that somebody ended up one way or another feeling screwed over,
and then publicly assuming the guy. So we'll see what happens.
But yeah, that's a little bit of a curveball, no
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pun intended, didn't seem to affect him much.
Speaker 5 (37:04):
Last night, though, Listen, we talked about this earlier and
I'm dying to get your thoughts on it. So the
whole MATERI Venmo situation. Are you a Venmo man?
Speaker 3 (37:19):
No, that's funny because most people know how that work.
But if I don't know how to send a transaction
for money on my phone other than to buy something
for myself, like something stupid like a hat or a
T shirt, you know, a hat that says I'm not
going to hold my horses or something like that. You know,
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I can buy stuff on Instagram, and I figured that
part out of it out, but I've never done the Venmo.
You know. Usually I just flip it to my wife
and then she Venmo's, so she does know how to
do that. Obviously, young people can do all kinds of
other things. The John mytteers are really interesting story, you know,
without this mirrored controversy. And I don't think this is
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going to be around much longer. I think he's gonna
wriggle his way out of this one way or another.
But last year, Matte, I mean, you remember they had
cam Ward up there at UDA or at Washington State.
He had come from a place called Incarnate Word yeah,
and he was up at Washington State and he was
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their starter, and their backup was Matteir who was a
good recruit out of the Texas area. Last year when
the season started, Jake Dickert, who's now the head coach
at Wake Forest, he told us straight up like, Hey,
I didn't know this guy was this good. You know,
we didn't know this guy was this good, and he
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just kind of popped out and started putting up numbers,
throwing the ball beautifully, running the ball with a lot
of purpose, and just overall showing a great will laden games.
I mean, he's a fun guy to watch and and
he's a really really exciting college quarterback. So I was
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I was happy to see that when he transferred to Oklahoma,
they got a good running back in Jaden Ott, the
guy from Cal in the transfer portal, and they brought
in his offensive coordinator from Washington State over to Oklahoma,
one of the last breathing remnants of the air raid era,
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a guy named Arbuckle. And I was looking forward to
seeing the Sooners play this year with Mattier the engineer
behind the center. As far as U, I mean, I've
talked to the kid a couple times, and we've covered
his games, and I can't imagine. I want to believe
that he's that because no one is that galactically stupid,
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right when when you play college football, they tell you
a thousand times about gambling, they talk to you about
social media. This does seem like a joke, and that's
what he said it was, and I just want to
believe the kid at face value. I do know a
lot of really stupid football players that might do this.
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I don't think Matier would be among them. But I've
been wrong in the past, but I do think this
one's gonna blow over and we'll see him play for
Oklahoma this year. They've had bad luck with quarterbacks though recently. Yeah.
Speaker 4 (40:27):
Well, the interesting thing about this is it actually dates
back to November of twenty twenty two, and obviously he
was at Washington State at the time, I think as
a freshman, and I look at it and I say,
all right, well, what are you gonna do now?
Speaker 3 (40:41):
Like, I don't know if you look.
Speaker 4 (40:43):
At that with kind of I don't know, side eye
or skepticism as too the NCAA, and it's like, well, okay,
even if he did do it and it happened back then,
Are you really going to punish him three years later,
just his because we found out because someone rated on him.
Speaker 3 (40:58):
How do you look at it from that stand point?
You're right, I mean that that occurred to me too,
And the number one thing that occurred to me about
it was if he was still at Washington State, would
anybody have ever seen this? And the answer is no.
You know, in the SEC, some weirdos digging about your quarterback,
while some weirdo in your in your town is digging
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about somebody else's quarterback.
Speaker 4 (41:22):
And and and so what they do with the South,
by the way, that's what they do down there, I guess.
Speaker 3 (41:26):
I mean, you'll see what that board over there, Jo Matyrny,
Oklahoma's not really the South, But you're right, you know,
I mean they're in the SEC now, and and you
know it's interesting, uh. I mean, I've talked to coaches
in the SEC that say, it's no fun to be
in the town because if you're in town and you're
not in your office working, somebody tells you why aren't
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you in your office working? And and that's kind of
that's kind of the gist of it. But I think
it takes a real special a hole to go. I
don't care who you are to go digging into some
kids social media. Yes, it is really is really one
of the lower forms of journalism or whatever we would
call covering college football is today. Uh so, yeah, I
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would look at it sideways completely. I don't know what
you'd do to the kid. It doesn't seem to me
like he's Robert de Niro and Casino as far as
gambling goes, you know, with the big stupid glasses on
stage blankly yeah, and a bunch of a bunch of
and horse racing.
Speaker 4 (42:29):
I don't think we're Matthew McConaughey from like was it
One for the money.
Speaker 3 (42:33):
Two for the money, two for rip that money out
of my talents? Yeah? Yeah, so yeah, I don't know.
I mean, it's not a nothing story because there's something
there and something to be talked about. But I agree
with you, I don't. I don't like seeing the kid.
I don't think he's a bad kid. I don't like
seeing it. But I gotta throw this out there.
Speaker 4 (42:56):
By the way, Obviously that movie didn't leave that big
of an impression on me because I couldn't remember the title.
Speaker 3 (43:01):
However, the first time I saw that it premiered.
Speaker 4 (43:04):
I was in college and Charlie Weist was our coach
and he took our entire team.
Speaker 3 (43:08):
And go see that.
Speaker 4 (43:09):
I want to say it was maybe during a bye
like imagine imagine the optics of the college and coach
taking a bunch of college kids to go see two.
Speaker 3 (43:20):
For the model. What was he into it or something
like that. I don't know. I mean, it was like
it was just a movie. It was like a movie
we could go see. So it's just a beauty. Wanted
to go see it. It was literally and it was just
like movie night. It was more of a general we
used to have movie night, you know. USC Pete Carroll
ended the practice, but USC football for I mean probably
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seventy plus years did a movie night in uh in
In in Hollywood we would go to if we had
a home game, they would We would get in the
bus and drive from downtown LA to the Paramount Studios
which is on Melrose and uh And and there was
a special screening room there where some old executive was
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a big USC guy, and we would they would screen
us a movie, a new movie that's awesome. Yeah. Well,
and you know, I mean, if you've ever been in
a movie theater with a whole football team. I mean
it's every single week during the season. I mean we
saw everything that came out that you would show a
football team. And then you know, it was such a
(44:26):
practice at USC that we'd go on the road and
they'd put us in theater in a theater, a local theater,
and we'd watch a movie. It was a big part
of USC football tradition that Pete Carroll ended a couple
stories from that. We saw The water Boy together before
(44:47):
we played sat Yeah, right before we played Stanford in
ninety eight, and it took about five minutes into the
movie to where everybody thought that I was exactly like
Bobby Bouchet and filled with rage and shame and and
hatred towards myself. And they showed us Almost Famous, which
was a very kind of a more mushy movie for
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the football team to see together, but everybody everybody liked it.
They showed us Gatica, which nobody understood.
Speaker 7 (45:17):
That.
Speaker 3 (45:17):
You know, we we saw a lot of movies, but
I remember we were in Michigan City to see which
is we're usually where Notre Dame's opponent stays. You stay
in a holiday and in Michigan City that smells like
so much chlorine because of the indoor pool, and yeah,
no it's it's exphyxiating by the time you get out
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onto the field and Notre Dame. You can barely breathe
under that big sky. But I remember they showed us
the movie with al Pacino and Keanu Reeves and Charlie's Throne,
the Devil's Advocate and half the team, you know, very religious.
Half the team walked out, you know, he was waiting
for the movie to be over because, you know, because
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of all the Satanism, and people were just happy about that. So, yeah,
a lot of a lot of memories from seeing them,
as they never took a story. They did. They probably
took the team to see two for the money, but
that was after my time.
Speaker 4 (46:13):
I'm just thinking, like, how did someone not develop a
gambling habit from that? Because I was very green Petros like,
I didn't grow up in a family where we talked
about betting lines. I knew about odds and all that,
and really didn't learn about it until, you know. I
think someone one of the older guys when I was
a freshman had said something about us being like a
big underdog.
Speaker 3 (46:33):
I'm like, well, what do you mean a big underdog? Like,
how do you know that? And he's like.
Speaker 4 (46:37):
See this here, kid, He's like this, this is how
many points all right where we're expected to lose.
Speaker 3 (46:42):
By And I was like, no, well, you know it wasn't.
Look I mean, in our time coming up, we didn't.
I mean, you and l V was a dead was
a dead like a dead zone like Kansas football was
for years, right, You and l V was a dead
zone because they were in Vegas. You would never imagine
Las Vegas having one, two, three, four major sports teams.
(47:06):
It just would never happen. I mean, guys like Eric
Dickerson will tell you they discouraged players from going to
Las Vegas. They didn't want players in Las Vegas. The
whole embracing of gambling by our sports and you know,
it's not new in Europe. You know, they have that
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you can bet at the a kiosk at the stadium,
you know, and it's been like that for a long time.
But here that was really stigmatized for a long long time,
and maybe for a good reason. Having a bad gambling
habit is one of the worst possible things you can
have to destroy your family and destroy everybody around you.
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So I understand, but it just wasn't something we knew
much about, right Brady. I mean, it was more for
those weird Matthew McConaughey types in those movies. And now,
like like people, everybody seems to understand what an over is,
what an under is, what a hook is. You know
the betting line.
Speaker 5 (48:07):
Well, it's dangerous and all kid the side, right, especially
for young men, like they have these apps and I
had to get rid of it. One of my kids
had it and it wasn't real money, but it was
like my little one goes, oh yeah, I got fifty
thousand on the on the pacers in the in the
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NBA five.
Speaker 3 (48:29):
There's a reason that that it was. There was a
reason that it was stigmatized for a long time. Yeah,
and now now that it's kind of a free for all,
you know, you try to hammer it into the college
football players heads or whoever's playing, like, listen, you can't
be involved in this at all, And uh, it's a
it's a fine line. And then I think it's a
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I think it's a lot tougher world for these guys.
But you know, I think that's overall. I think that's
the case top to bottom, because most guys that I
played with were all an agreement that we'd all be
kicked off the football team. If we lived in the
era of social media. Yeah, we all would. I mean
we were just they recruited different people, we acted differently,
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and we would not have survived. So these kids are
a little bit more used to being monitored. They're a
little bit more buttoned up than we were. But it's
I'm surprised we don't have more problems with with gambling
and and and it seems to be more and more
prevalent every year with weird little stories like this.
Speaker 5 (49:33):
Well the Cleveland did with the two relievers, including your clothes,
the class A.
Speaker 3 (49:38):
He was really good. Who's going to go down? Yeah?
Well first first pitch, prop bet he's gonna throw a curve? Okay, right, yeah,
you know it's it's too much of a it's too
much of a of a temptation, I guess to skillet
on the stove. But yeah, that I do think the
materier thing is gonna be okay, though, I hope all.
Speaker 5 (50:00):
Right, last thing, your overall thoughts of the rankings, Oh,
I only pay attention to the Joel Clatt.
Speaker 3 (50:07):
Top twenty five Top twenty five. I only pay attention
to Joel's. No, it's unfortunate. The only thing I really
hate about the rankings is if you start out in
the top ten, you really have to prove how much
you suck to fall out right. And then if you
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start out outside the top twenty five, I mean, it
takes you till mid October of winning games till anybody
recognizes that you exist. And we I mean, look, we
don't lack TV coverage, and we have a big playoff
and most everybody that that proves it is probably going
(50:51):
to get in. So it's not the end of the
world like the BCS or anything like that. But your ranking,
if you're not ranked early, it can hurt you a
little bit as far as attention goes, and that shouldn't
be the case. I mean, we really shouldn't have a
top twenty five until you know, October, but we do
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it because it garners attention and some people like to
watch a game that has a little number next to
one of the teams or both of them. So but
that's really the only reason it exists. And again, the
only top twenty five. That's worth a crap, is the
Joel klat Are you? Are you excited? Though? In all seriousness,
I gotta go to ann Arbor. No, not ann Arborer,
(51:32):
I gotta go to East Lansing to start out. Now
they've changed my first game three times, So I'm gonna
go to Michigan and watch watch Jonathan Smith and Aiden
Chiles against Western, and then I'm gonna come home the
next day and do Fresno versus Clay Helton, E. J.
Warner versus Georgia Southern, and we'll go from there. But yeah,
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it's always Look, We've talked about it a whole bunch,
Brady in this space, the college football offs, and we
talked about it in the seminar. The college football off
season has been terrible, and that the stories aren't fun
to cover. This last one about Matier is just like that,
And it's all about the transfer portal and nil and
(52:18):
player selfishness and teams being callous and all all the
crap that we have in the off season that makes
us so unsavory. Thank God we have football games to
celebrate and we can put all the other stuff on
the back.
Speaker 5 (52:32):
Murder, Amen, brother, listen, enjoyed the game today. That would
be fun.
Speaker 3 (52:38):
So try my best. Appreciate your your your blass as always. Man,
Thanks best, thank you, appreciate you guys, and I'll talk
to you soon.
Speaker 5 (52:47):
He is Petros, He's he's the greatest, that dude.
Speaker 3 (52:52):
You swear to God. He's one of a kind, no
doubt he really is. He's a brilliant dude.
Speaker 5 (52:56):
Man, he is brilliant, highly entertaining, fine fun dude.
This is the best of two pros and a couple
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Speaker 2 (00:13):
Good Morning Brady, Good Morning Anthony. How are we doing,
brother good Man? I just I can't wait too. I know,
I know it can't come fast enough. You know, the
preseason gives me like a little dose of it. You know,
you're seeing the different guys mix in, you're seeing some hits,
you're seeing some football. It's it's nothing like Week one, though,
And honestly, you know, just from having played, even though
(00:36):
you were playing in the preseason a little bit, you
still really didn't get a sense for like what your
team was going to be.
Speaker 3 (00:44):
And I think the hard part was.
Speaker 4 (00:45):
That the longer I got in the league, the more
I realized if you were a team that didn't know,
you were very good because most of the best teams
they know, Like I remember being in Seattle in twenty
thirteen in their training camp, praying in preseason all that,
and they knew like that that was a team that
like they knew they were going to go on and
then compete for a Super Bowl that year, and then
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obviously they ended up going on to win it. But
there are other teams where you know, there was more
of a question. You're sitting there going, okay this looking
at looking back on this, that wasn't a good thing.
Like you either know and if you don't know, yeah,
you got you're gonna have some problems.
Speaker 3 (01:21):
You know what's nuts is you bring this up.
Speaker 5 (01:24):
So al Shan Jeffrey when he came over to Philadelphia
from the Bears. I was talking to him and this
is when Carson Wentz was the starting quarterback and uh,
the Eagles were like five and eleven at that point
the year before, and I remember talking to Alice Man.
Speaker 3 (01:43):
He's like, dude, this team's really good.
Speaker 5 (01:46):
Yeah, he said, we're gonna we go. He goes, this
is a super Bowl team. And I was like, listen,
I think it's the playoff team. But he's like, no, no, no,
you don't understand. It's a super Bowl team. And Lowell
behold they win the super Bowl. And he was right,
and he called it the minute he got here. I'll
there freakingt He looks around and he was like it
(02:06):
was like a weekend and he was very thoughtful with.
Speaker 3 (02:09):
It, and he's like, dude, this is a super Bowl team. Yeah,
there's just some teams that look different.
Speaker 4 (02:14):
You know, we talked about that a little bit with
college football, the ones that compete for a national championship.
When you're in when you're a part of a team
that you look at the twos and threes other positions
and or even like fours in training camp right now,
and you go, man, these guys are all competing like
these Like there's guys who are gonna get cut, who
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are going to be immediately picked up because they're that good.
Like they might start elsewhere. They're a third stringer here,
but they're going to start somewhere else. Like when you
have a roster like that, you're like, yeah, okay, like
I can see where this is going. I mean, everyone
knows about the Legion of Boom. There were guys though,
that had so much depth behind there. You know, Byron
Maxwell eventually came along, Jeremy Lane eventually came along. You know,
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you could go on down the list. I mean they
cut Anchoine Winfield, who had a hell of a career.
I think they had paid a million bucks just to
just to come out for the offseason. So there's there
was a bunch of like really really talented defensive backs
who you know somewhere on that seems sort of part
of that run. Something that going to somewhere else, some
came back. I mean, there was a bunch of depths.
(03:19):
So I always looking back at that roster, some of
the best rosters and just saying, the players know because
the ones that don't.
Speaker 3 (03:27):
They're not in it. And it's easy.
Speaker 4 (03:31):
It's easy enough to see that feel that even in
training camp, preseason.
Speaker 5 (03:36):
So I feel fairly confident in saying this, But you
know who's not a super Bowl team right now?
Speaker 3 (03:44):
Who's that? The Cowboys? Come on now, they're not. They're not.
Speaker 5 (03:51):
And I got a point to Jerry, And Jerry was
making the rounds again and he's had a premiere in
Netflix premiere and he's talking about the America's team thing. Right,
He's talking about his team, and he's talking about controversy
(04:11):
and how controversy is good. Now, I want you to
take a listen to him so you get his act
exac words, and I'm gonna tell you why this.
Speaker 3 (04:23):
Is exactly what's wrong and what's.
Speaker 5 (04:25):
Keeping them from being a real super Bowl contender.
Speaker 6 (04:30):
I do believe if we're not being looked at, then
I'll do my part to get a slop down the
Cowboys or soap opera three hundred and sixty five and
so oh, it's wonderful to have the great athletes, have
the great players.
Speaker 3 (04:47):
But there's something more there.
Speaker 6 (04:48):
There's sizzle, there's emotion, and if you will, there's controversy.
Speaker 3 (04:53):
That controversy is good stuff.
Speaker 6 (04:55):
In terms of keeping and having people's attention.
Speaker 3 (04:59):
Brady, it's not good stuff. No. In fact, why they became.
Speaker 5 (05:04):
America's team was because they were dynastic. They were a
team that had two dynasties in the seventies with stallback
and door set and too Tall Jones and then in
the nineties with Aikman and Emmon and Michael Irvin.
Speaker 3 (05:24):
And they were great.
Speaker 5 (05:26):
So people loved them or hated them because they were great.
That's what made them America's team. Then you couple in
all the ancillary things, the cheerleaders, the whole, the whole
feel about it, the fact that they were brilliant to
get on Thanksgiving Day. You know, that created generations of fans.
(05:49):
But now it's a circus, Brady, it's not America's team.
They were American circus.
Speaker 4 (05:58):
Well, one push back, a little one because you are
a Philly fan.
Speaker 3 (06:03):
But that being said, that being said, I can look
at it objectively.
Speaker 4 (06:07):
Yeah, no, And you are in this case because it's
been thirty years, and I don't think you can take
them seriously for almost every single one of those seasons,
with the exception of maybe the Romo des Bryant Lambeau,
you know catch wasn't a catch like that team that year.
Maybe that was the one team you'd say like, Okay,
(06:29):
they had a shot like that. That team, you know,
probably was a catch and who knows how that plays
out if it is, and the rest of that season
and the playoffs. But to your point, it does feel
like everything's about everything other than the main thing, and
that's football, and that's winning football games and a lot
of the business that Jerry has done. And I don't know,
(06:51):
have you ever been out to Frisco where they have
their practice facility everything. It's unbelievable, it really is, and
it's ridiculous.
Speaker 3 (06:59):
Yes at it.
Speaker 4 (07:00):
As a player, I go, Man, it's an incredible facility
for those players who go there, which you know, I
was brought into you know a time when you get
in the NFL and you know a lot of times
the college facilities are actually better than the NFL facilities,
you know. I mean in Cleveland didn't even have a
full indoor field, right, you know, it was like a
sixty yard said whoever, it was like seventy yard field.
(07:20):
So you know you're coming from these monstrous facilities. All
these schools are building up in like this arms race
for that was the thing that would you know, recruits
would be enamored by back then, and the NFL teams
did not have that. And yet Dallas has always had everything,
but it's always been about it feels like since that
run in the early nineties, everything other than what was
(07:41):
actually happening on the field during games, and I just
you know, you hear from players who feel like while
they're working out and the offseason, guys are coming by,
they're given tours, you know, almost like they're you know,
over at the zoo just being observed by my people
who come by.
Speaker 3 (07:58):
You hear all these things. You just go, so, how
is that good for the team?
Speaker 4 (08:02):
And then you look for the business of letting contracts
drag on with Dak Dragon with CD Dragon now with
Micah Parsons, we talked about the Brian Schottenheimer hiring. And
it's no, it's not a shot against Brian Schottenheimer that
he might do a great job for him this year, right,
it's just how it came about, like you moved on
from a guy who had won you or had won
(08:23):
a super Bowl that you brought into Win one. I
don't know, maybe you feel like he gave enough time.
Speaker 3 (08:28):
Maybe not.
Speaker 4 (08:29):
You let a guy go who now it looks like
he's got this team building to be a playoff contender
in Washington and dan Quinn and then you hire Brian
Schotteneimer because he was just kind of the last guy
at the bar standing there.
Speaker 3 (08:41):
I mean, that's what it felt like to me, dude, exactly.
Speaker 5 (08:45):
And listen, I've met Jerry in the nineties. I've been
doing this a minute, right, and you don't want to
talk about an engaging man, an incredible businessman, everything about
and cool, I mean, engaging and the whole thing. You know,
(09:06):
he's Jerry Jones. But the issue is exactly what you
just said, is that it's not when he's talking about
the circus.
Speaker 3 (09:15):
He enjoys this stuff.
Speaker 5 (09:17):
He wants the cowboys to be out there, and I
get it, right, that's marketing one.
Speaker 3 (09:20):
Oh, one. You know, there's no bad publicity.
Speaker 5 (09:24):
I get all that, but it all stems from winning,
like when you become a great franchise, a franchise like
the Cowboys was a great franchise.
Speaker 3 (09:35):
And yet when I was.
Speaker 5 (09:36):
A kid, I hated the Cowboys because I grew up
in Philadelphia and half the football fans were Cowboy fans.
I was an Eagles fan because I grew up in
Philadelphia and so and Eagles weren't good. In fact, they
were a laughing stock of a franchise. So of course
I would be jealous and resentful the Cowboys, but it
(09:57):
came from a place of ad. They were the gold
standard of NFL franchises and now they're not. My only
argument to all this is it should be about winning,
like everything comes from winning.
Speaker 3 (10:18):
Look at the Chiefs.
Speaker 5 (10:20):
The Chiefs become this incredible franchise and Travis Kelsey and
Taylor Swift and all everything else, Patrick Mahomes and Andy
they become this incredible franchise in Chiefs Kingdom because they win.
It's always about winning. The sideshow circus is just a
(10:40):
distraction and it doesn't mean anything. It's hollow if you
don't win.
Speaker 4 (10:45):
Brady and I think, you know, I go back to
even like looking at some of the college roots of
you know, you look at the University of Alabama, which
is going through kind of a dark period of time
at least you know, around when I was in school,
and you know, when Nick Saban got there. A lot
of people don't understand the impact that Nick Saban had,
(11:06):
not not just on football. Like people look at it,
and I think they looked at his success and they say, wow,
that was incredible. Look at me national championships he won.
Look at the foundation he built. How he kind of
turned the tide where that you know, the SEC became,
you know, even that much more dominant. You know, it
kind of was in spots, right orb mid won a
couple and then you know Saban got to BAM and
(11:28):
started to build that up, and LSU had had their moment.
But you know at that point in time too, like
Ohio State was still rolling, Michigan was rolling. But my
point is football was the high tide, and even to
this day, that changed that entire campus. Like every single
person will tell you if you've ever been to Tuscaloosa,
(11:50):
what it looks like in twenty twenty five, and what
have looked like back in two thousand and four, two
thousand and five, two thousand and six is drastically different,
large part because of the investment they made in football
to then once again become a giant. They were always
a blue blood, but then they became a giant because
of their success. And with the success of Nick Saban
(12:12):
became greater development around the actual school in Tuscaloosa and
the university. What came along with that was better students.
They got more roles, Rhodes scholars now, better faculty, better
pay for them, every single thing. They were the high
tide that raised every boat because of the success of
Nick Saban and what they've been able to do. And
(12:33):
now that's a more legitimate school because of football. And
there's by the way, there's probably more schools should take money.
Speaker 5 (12:40):
I'll hear of students going to Alabama from the northeast
New York and Philly.
Speaker 4 (12:48):
Which that seems new, right, Like I don't remember hearing
that ten to fifteen exactly.
Speaker 5 (12:51):
Like my nephew is going to Votec and he's like,
I'm looking at Alabama. He just wants to be a
part of the up, a good student, right, Yeah, your
parents gonna pay intuition, pay the freight, and he's looking
to go there because of football.
Speaker 3 (13:08):
Like you see these kids.
Speaker 5 (13:09):
Go, oh man, that looks like so much fun to
be down at Georgia or Alabama, LSU being an sec
country because of that.
Speaker 3 (13:18):
And you're right, you all steps from football.
Speaker 5 (13:22):
It steps from building that and when you build something great,
it does rise.
Speaker 3 (13:29):
And you know who agrees with us? Who's that?
Speaker 5 (13:31):
Denzel agrees with us? Denzel was on First Take, Take a.
Speaker 3 (13:37):
Listen, there's box office and as oscars.
Speaker 1 (13:42):
Jerry been a while, he ain't been to the show.
Speaker 4 (13:45):
You wouldn't know hadn't been to the show, so you
wouldn't know what it is to win.
Speaker 3 (13:50):
All money ain't good money. Jerry, dude, he's not wrong?
Speaker 4 (13:54):
Is he the best of I mean, I've got a
lot of questions about his Dallas fandom and first Place?
Speaker 3 (14:00):
I mean, yeah said I know there's a.
Speaker 4 (14:04):
Clip and he talked about why and all that and probably.
Speaker 3 (14:10):
Of New York how.
Speaker 4 (14:13):
You become a Dallas Cowboys, mean, if not for just
their success, which or whatever into each their own. But
he does bring up a good point in perspective too,
like you know, what he's doing might be great for
the brand, but the brand becomes diminished if the substance
of the brand is football and winning, and they've been
without that to a degree. Like, you know, I think
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the one thing that Dallas has done is they've been
able to remain intriguing and interesting because they haven't been
They're not a cellar dweller. They're a team that's gonna
probably compete to be a playoffs team, right, and then
once you get in the playoffs, everyone feels like you
have hope. It's a one game, sudden death playoff scenario.
(14:57):
Team could get hot end of the season. Like they're
all almost riding that fine line of there's enough hope
and optimism, enough success that they don't have to get entirely,
you know, put on the uh, the brown the brown
paper bags and go to games.
Speaker 3 (15:15):
It's not a disaster. It feels like that.
Speaker 4 (15:18):
But once they get to playing games, they're good enough
to be able to be a playoff team.
Speaker 3 (15:23):
But then it just kind of ends there.
Speaker 5 (15:24):
Well, and it goes back to you brought up Schottenheimer, right,
he brought up the coach.
Speaker 3 (15:29):
Let me ask you a question, all.
Speaker 5 (15:31):
Right, you especially knowing what Jerry wants, which is all
this controversy, soap opera, that sort of thing. You have
Belichick there, and I don't care what anybody says, girl friend,
whatever it is, that guy did not forget how to coach.
That guy is a great football mind. Why would you
(15:55):
do if you were going to move on from McCarthy,
which you know we've debated the no matter what, because
we both don't think you should have done that. Uh,
then why not just go? You want to make them relevant?
You got Bill, go take the shot. You're an a team
that needs to win now anyway, why would you just
go with Belichick?
Speaker 3 (16:16):
I think it's a great question.
Speaker 4 (16:17):
And during that period of time, and this is what now,
a couple of years ago, I remember hearing the reports
about the Atlanta Falcons and people in the front office
who are concerned for the job are well being because
if if Bill Belichick comes there, he's gonna clean house
and he's gonna, you know, do things his way, and
you know that's gonna be tough for people aren't gonna
like the work environment. I remember thinking that going if
(16:40):
I'm an owner, what do I care, rucky, Because if
that's what it takes to be successful and win as
many Super Bowls as he did, and play as many
Super Bowls as he did with the New England Patriots.
Speaker 3 (16:53):
Don't I want that? Like, isn't that the success that
I want? And so it's crazy to me that you
get these these you know, owners.
Speaker 4 (17:00):
That get persuaded to overthink things and not bring in
a guy like Bill Belichick, which I mean, look, if
Jerry Jones had any concerns about Bill Belichick and his
dating life and what is you know, how old his
girlfriend is, It's like Jerry's still doing this too. Yeah,
if there's if there's age concerns at this point, like
(17:22):
about still doing the job, I think it's kind of
been eliminated, right Like Bill Bill went down to North
Carolina to be the head coach there at a college
where there's a lot more on his plane, and and
like he can still do the job. We'll see what
it looks like this season. But I look at that
and I just say, age couldn't have been a problem.
I don't think the girlfriend issue was a problem. I
think Jerry's probably seen stuff come across stuff before in
(17:45):
his life that that doesn't bother him. I don't have
the slightest idea outside of maybe Bill Belichick didn't want
it because he wasn't going to get the control. And
I think that's one of the reasons where you find
Brian Schottenheimer, and honestly, you find a lot of head
coaches that jobs because they're not they're concerned they're not
going to get another shot at another one, and so
(18:06):
they take a job full well knowing or at least
having an idea of what that ownership is like, and
they're saying, well, I'm gonna take the payday. I'm gonna
take this shot because I believe I'll be able to
turn around anyway, or like maybe I'll get lucky, but
at least I'm getting the pay day out of it.
I mean, there are guys who literally looked probably at
(18:27):
that Dallas Cowboys job and said, yeah, I'm okay, Like
I just I wouldn't be able to work for Jerry
Jones and deal with what Mike McCarthy had to deal
with or Jason Garrett had to deal with, and now
Brian Schottenheimer will have to deal with.
Speaker 3 (18:40):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (18:40):
Yeah, I still think it was Jerry who didn't want
Bill because it would take shine off of him or
some sort of I mean control what Maybe I don't know.
Speaker 4 (18:55):
I mean, did Mike McCarthy like sleep over at Jerry's
house when they were like interviewing him? Yeah, maybe Bill
decline and sleepover, you know maybe.
Speaker 3 (19:02):
Yeah. I'm good, I'm not sleeping over.
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Speaker 5 (19:51):
Just reported James Cook and the Bills reach a contract extension,
the most guaranteed money for running back in the last
five years.
Speaker 3 (20:02):
Brady wow.
Speaker 4 (20:05):
I mean obviously saw Saquan's deal, you know, after the
Super Bowl and everything this this season as far as
the average annual value, but haven't seen the numbers for
this yet. What is that number for the most guaranteed
or is he just you know, simply steady.
Speaker 3 (20:18):
Yeah, he's stating even put it out yet. Forty eight
million extension, thirty million guaranteed. Oh there is Oh, all right,
all right.
Speaker 4 (20:27):
I mean he's a very talented player. You just hope
he can stay healthy. It's always a concerned with every
running back, but in particular with him too, you know,
I think, but he's I mean again, when they lean
on him, he can do it all man, he can catch.
Speaker 3 (20:41):
Out the backfield.
Speaker 4 (20:41):
Well, he's kind of got that, that vision and that
slipperiness to him for you know, for his size. But
it's an interesting move when you look at you know,
Philly obviously invested in Saquon and they leads them to
helps lead them to a super Bowl, and then they
give them the extension.
Speaker 3 (21:00):
This offseason, the Bills are trying to get one.
Speaker 4 (21:03):
They're trying to get there, and now they got a
guy obviously who you know, again they haven't leaned on
to carry them a ton.
Speaker 3 (21:08):
But as they build up their score right.
Speaker 4 (21:10):
Around Josh Allen, it does feel like they're investing the
money in the right spot and maybe that pendulum for
the value of a running back is swinging back the
other way, where now these guys are starting to actually
be able to capture their worth as opposed to just
being looked at as you know, running back by a
committee room or just some sort of commodity that you
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can get a running back anywhere.
Speaker 5 (21:33):
Well, think about it, right before last year, Shea Kwan
and Derrick Henry are your free agents, Like they're free agents.
The two best backs in the league are free agents,
and they go for nothing.
Speaker 4 (21:51):
Relatively speak right, right and again, like if you look
at how much they're actually impacting the offense and carrying
the load for a lot of the teams, it's just
it's crazy. But I understand the business standpoint of it too.
You know, if you can find guys who come in
that do it just as good of a job, you
know you can get for cheaper, it makes sense. I
(22:12):
think the interesting dynamic that I've seen in regard that
regard to like the economics for running backs in the
NFL is a lot of running backs are staying longer
in college because they can earn more money and they're
valued more at that level as opposed to at the NFL,
where once they get there, they get their shot and
then they you know, if they can't make it.
Speaker 3 (22:33):
You're not getting a contract. Yeah, you're not getting a
second contract. So you know, yeah, it makes sense. You know.
Speaker 4 (22:40):
It was definitely not one of the cause and effects
that I thought we see from name, image and likeness
and college players being paid, But.
Speaker 3 (22:47):
That was one of the effects. No, I mean, we'll
think about it.
Speaker 5 (22:50):
And there was always a steadfast rule that you burn
it back out and you don't get in a second contract.
Speaker 3 (22:56):
A lot of gms operated under that. You don't want
to you don't want to do it.
Speaker 5 (23:01):
So if you're if you're gonna do that, then the
running back needs to stay and then you come in
you get your one big contract.
Speaker 3 (23:10):
You know.
Speaker 5 (23:10):
Now'll say quantity and anomaly, right, I mean, you know,
plus last year a lot of highway bodels.
Speaker 4 (23:15):
Yeah, yeah, And I think that's also one of the
pitches that you hear from a lot of these colleges
where they stack those running back rooms and they'll say,
you're not gonna get you know, get a lot of
you know where on your on your tires. We're gonna
we're gonna rotate you guys in you know, so it
doesn't matter who you I mean, look at penns Day,
we talked about them, Kate Tron, Allen, Nick Singleton, Notre
Dame's got an entire room of guys.
Speaker 3 (23:37):
I mean it's you know.
Speaker 4 (23:38):
Anias Williams, Jeremiah Love and Jendarium Price like they'll all
three share the carries and and you know it's it's
helped out as far as recruiting and some of these
teams being able to retain a lot of the top
running backs knowing that, hey, if my number gets called
ten times a game, great, Like it's gonna keep me
fresh on me looked at the exact same by the
NFL level as I, you know, I'm going to be
(24:00):
in college and so I can get paid for another
year or two real money and then eventually go on
take you know.
Speaker 3 (24:07):
Take my crack at the NFL. Hey, let me ask you,
what do you think of the bills?
Speaker 5 (24:12):
Because we just got to talking about the Cook extension
and this is it, like the chiefs now they're great
and obviously, and I don't think they're going to have
a fall off. I maybe Andy rebuild is offensive line,
and they're really good. But this is the year, right
If I want to make any other team a favorite,
(24:34):
it's Buffalo. Do they have enough for Josh on the
outside with Coleman, gear and Palmer.
Speaker 4 (24:42):
It's so tough to feel like they do. However, I mean,
we've seen years where you know, we've questioned that. I mean, obviously,
remember when the Chiefs left Tyreek Hill and then they
still end up winning a Super Bowl, And so it
doesn't mean you always necessarily have to happen. Now, granted,
they've got a future Hall of Famer at tight end.
Uh maybe Dalton can Care and Dawson Knox the combination
can help shoulder some of that. But they really need
(25:05):
to see some some growth and improvement out of that group.
I just you know, I'm not sure clarkor you know,
Shakir uh Keon, Coleman and Palmer are are gonna be
able to carry it. But again, you look at the
money where they're investing in James Cook. That's probably a
signal because they're gonna be running football little more balanced
than they have been. And that's not necessarily a bad
(25:28):
right and and that's what helps protect them, right, you know,
running the football, playing great defense, but they're gonna have
to have someone step up to be able to make
the big play when when called upon. And unfortunately for them,
they you know, had that guy in Diggs. He's no
longer there. You know, whether or not they're they're feeling
that loss, I don't think they do in the regular season.
(25:48):
I think that's that's a loss that you face when
you get to the better teams and those teams start
to kind of take away some things, and then you
you struggle to be able to find that guy that
can step up in the big moment.
Speaker 3 (25:59):
You know, I don't know.
Speaker 5 (26:00):
That maybe because you need somebody could spread that could
spread the field in those big games, right, like you
see allence shrinks on you.
Speaker 3 (26:10):
I mean, look how the Chiefs play you. They're gonna
they're gonna play you short.
Speaker 5 (26:13):
In the game, and and they're gonna if you had
that home run hitter on the outside, I mean, that's it.
Speaker 3 (26:20):
That's I think that's the only thing they lack.
Speaker 4 (26:24):
Yeah, and look at Keon Coleman might develop into that
you know he might be you know, that guy at
some point, but until until that happens, you know, until
you see that growth, I mean, you're just not gonna
feel over the confidence.
Speaker 3 (26:37):
And then being able to win that way.
Speaker 4 (26:38):
And to your point, look, some some coaches feel more
comfortable if they, you know, are able to spread the
football around. But I think they'd be lying to you
if they didn't feel like, hey, we need to have
that one guy though we know we can depend upon
in that critical moment. And I don't know that they,
you know, feel like again they have that guy unless
I don't know. Maybe maybe Bill's fans feel like I'm
(26:59):
wrong and maybe Coleman will become that But I don't know.
Speaker 5 (27:02):
Maybe I hope he does. I listen, I love McDermott.
I'm a big Sean McDermott guy. I know Sean from
back in the day. He's great people, great family and
uh and I listen, if there is a fan base
that deserves to win, like.
Speaker 3 (27:20):
Justice, it's that fan base.
Speaker 5 (27:22):
I mean, let's be real, like they deserve if Justice
says anything, they deserve a super Bowl.
Speaker 3 (27:28):
Yeah. No, I mean I think there's a few up there.
Speaker 4 (27:30):
I was I was thinking, I got of the rust
Bell Cleveland, Detroit, any one of those three. I'm waiting
for you guys to get a Super Bowl Detroit Cleveland.
Speaker 3 (27:40):
But yeah, yes, oh no, it's true.
Speaker 5 (27:43):
Those three, those three franchises, Detroit, Cleveland, Buffalo. They're great fans, right,
the tremendous football people and they're loyal.
Speaker 3 (27:57):
You know, sports Justice sit smile on.
Speaker 1 (28:01):
It.
Speaker 4 (28:01):
Should Well, we'll see if if it really does. I
just love the fact that, you know, the Bill's new stadium,
it's still going to encompass some of the elements.
Speaker 3 (28:10):
Apparently they've dug it.
Speaker 4 (28:11):
Down solo and I'm not sure if you saw this
that the wind really isn't going to impact the game.
At least that's what they're saying based on the construct
of this stadium, that it will be an outdoor venue,
but the wind should not impact the actual game conditions.
So I got to read more than that and figure
out how that's the case. I mean, you'd figure if
it's open air at some point wind could could have
(28:33):
to play a factor. I just remember the old stadium,
that thing would swirl and I'll never forget because one
of my first one of my first starts was on
Monday night football there, and it was cold and it
was windy, and when we would I would walk around
the field with Phil Dawson and dave's Astido or a
kicker and punter, and we talk about, you know, kind
(28:55):
of the wind to different spots. Because if you're a
midfield and you're throwing a go ball on the left
hand inside of that back pilon, it's gonna get knocked down.
You throw it to the right side, the right pylon,
it's gonna carry it out of bounds. And so it's
almost like hitting like a golf shot. You were really
talking about the way you had to kind of adjust
how you're gonna throw based on where.
Speaker 3 (29:15):
You were on the field.
Speaker 4 (29:16):
You know, I think coming out, I'm throwing a go
ball down the left hand side, it's gonna be into
the wind. You don't have to flip your thinking, and like,
those are little things you'll think about. But man, it
that wasn't It was always an interesting stadium to have
to play in and try to throw the football and
then pierce through that win.
Speaker 3 (29:35):
To me, how Allen will cut throw it? How he
could cut through the win?
Speaker 4 (29:41):
Yeah, Well, he's got a strong with a farm and
he spins it. Well, Like that's one thing that you
see a lot of these a lot of these guys
to come out of college. You know, they really try
to hone in on trying to spin the football because
if you throw it, if you throw a wobbly ball, man,
that thing is never gonna make it through like you
always did, like the Kurt Warner, you and Peyton back
in the day. I mean, those guys are playing inside
(30:02):
for half their games. We thank god because they would
not be able to throw the through that sort of win.
But you know, it's a little more comforting to be
able to play in the confines of being indoors and
not have to deal with those sorts of conditions.
Speaker 1 (30:16):
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Speaker 3 (30:42):
Hello Hi Anthony, Hi Brady, Hi Petros. What's going on? Brother?
Everything's all right? Good, I'm I'm here, I'm I'm here,
I'm up. I'm ready to go. No issues this week
with the alarm or anything. No, not really, no, No,
I'm good. We have an event today in uh in
(31:04):
Anaheim for the last Dodger Angel game of the week
and U sho hey Otani's going to pitch. So we
have a show in Anaheim at Brewery X. It starts
at two if anybody's in Los Angeles and interested. So
that's that's awesome. Yea going on today? How ridiculous is Otanio? Seriously?
(31:28):
Last night gets robbed by the triple play right, ropes
that ball.
Speaker 5 (31:34):
And then boom bomb top of the night wins the game.
Speaker 3 (31:40):
Yeah they didn't win though, right, but you get my
you know, comes up kluts. Yeah, well they went ahead
with that. Kenley Janssen a former Dodger closer who everybody loves. Actually,
the Dodgers probably should have signed him. He's a lot
cheaper than a lot of the guys they signed, and
he's having a lot better year and maybe they'll sign
(32:01):
him next year because he wants to stay in southern California.
But yeah, that was a pretty dramatic moment to see
Kenlee Jansen, who was such a great Dodger for so
long and a record breaking closer for them versus Otani.
And last night Jansen went up there and just blew
the Dodgers away a couple of strikeouts. And to see
Otani do that was pretty impressive. And he's a great player.
(32:25):
I mean, he's a lot of fun to watch. He's
definitely on his own program and there's a lot that
comes with it. But you know, it's hard to imagine.
The Dodgers are such a cash cow and have always been.
The brand is just huge, and in the city of
Los Angeles it means so much and always has and
(32:49):
they bring in what three four million almost fans a year.
It's the most visited sport on Earth. And all of
these things were the truth before Otani came, and the
fact that Otani's there now, and just the branding, the
Japanese interest, the Japanese tourists that show up on days
(33:12):
that they're not even playing and buy thousands of dollars
worth of merchandise by the bus load. It really is
a phenomenon. And like you said, Anthony, I mean, the guy,
it's not like he just goes up there and strikes
out all the time, though he has struck out a
lot this year, and the strikeout's always been part of
his game. But for him to perform like he does
(33:34):
when he does is pretty remarkable. A triple play which
you don't see, and then the home run against Kenley
and yeah, but they.
Speaker 5 (33:43):
Did lose last thing, and then Bretty go for it.
But I'm just curious, is there concern? How much concern
is there of the Pods because now they're starting to
play hot, right, they had the great trade deadline and
now they're playing good. They've now tied the Dodgers. How
much concern is delvasin Diego. I think there's a lot
(34:03):
of concern.
Speaker 3 (34:04):
I mean, they made the bunch of moves at the deadline,
and they have a real chip on their shoulder. I mean,
up until last year, the Dodgers, other than the COVID Championship,
and everybody kind of rolls their eyes at those the
Dodgers had underperformed in the playoffs. Last year, all of
(34:26):
those stigmas got erased. But we've been dealing with the
Dodgers running away with a division and they end up
losing to the Diamondbacks, a team they dominated the whole
year and then they losing the playoffs of the Diamondbacks
or they losing the playoffs to the Curly w where
they losing the playoffs of the Padres, which happened not
(34:46):
long ago. Most people the general consensus was that Padres
Dodgers was the best series of the playoffs last year,
and whoever won that series was going to win the
World Series because those were the two best teams. Whether
that was true or not, that is how it shook out.
So I think there's a lot of concern there's going
(35:09):
to be a hell of a series coming up this weekend.
They're tied right now, and to think that the Dodgers,
with this payroll and the way everybody was talking in
the offseason, are in this position in a very heated
divisional about as the season goes on, I think shocks
a lot of people, because there was they had a
(35:31):
nine game lead in July. Early July, the Dodgers had
a nine game lead, and now that has all but disappeared,
and we got a series coming up this weekend, So
a lot of reasons to stay tuned to the Blowtorch
on a five to seven LA Sports here.
Speaker 4 (35:48):
In Los Angeles, that's right, that's right. And one more
reason is the real estate issue that's going on. Can
we dive a little bit deeper into that with Otani?
Speaker 3 (35:57):
It's not like I know much about it, but it
is interesting. I mean, this is what two years in
a row, and there's two stories about him dealing in
the world of not baseball or somebody around him dealing
in the world of not baseball. And we're talking about crazy, weird,
(36:18):
shady business dealings. The epe Mitsuhara thing, which he was
very quickly exonerated of by the FBI. Some people more
skeptical about that than others. And then this, which is
I need to talk to my litigator real estate friend
to understand it a little bit better. But it looks
(36:40):
like they got involved with somebody, you know, a La
Reggie Bush in a much different situation. They got involved
with somebody that somebody had all their eggs in that basket,
that somebody ended up one way or another feeling screwed over,
and then publicly assuming the guy. So we'll see what happens.
But yeah, that's a little bit of a curveball, no
(37:01):
pun intended, didn't seem to affect him much.
Speaker 5 (37:04):
Last night, though, Listen, we talked about this earlier and
I'm dying to get your thoughts on it. So the
whole MATERI Venmo situation. Are you a Venmo man?
Speaker 3 (37:19):
No, that's funny because most people know how that work.
But if I don't know how to send a transaction
for money on my phone other than to buy something
for myself, like something stupid like a hat or a
T shirt, you know, a hat that says I'm not
going to hold my horses or something like that. You know,
(37:42):
I can buy stuff on Instagram, and I figured that
part out of it out, but I've never done the Venmo.
You know. Usually I just flip it to my wife
and then she Venmo's, so she does know how to
do that. Obviously, young people can do all kinds of
other things. The John mytteers are really interesting story, you know,
without this mirrored controversy. And I don't think this is
(38:05):
going to be around much longer. I think he's gonna
wriggle his way out of this one way or another.
But last year, Matte, I mean, you remember they had
cam Ward up there at UDA or at Washington State.
He had come from a place called Incarnate Word yeah,
and he was up at Washington State and he was
(38:27):
their starter, and their backup was Matteir who was a
good recruit out of the Texas area. Last year when
the season started, Jake Dickert, who's now the head coach
at Wake Forest, he told us straight up like, Hey,
I didn't know this guy was this good. You know,
we didn't know this guy was this good, and he
(38:48):
just kind of popped out and started putting up numbers,
throwing the ball beautifully, running the ball with a lot
of purpose, and just overall showing a great will laden games.
I mean, he's a fun guy to watch and and
he's a really really exciting college quarterback. So I was
(39:09):
I was happy to see that when he transferred to Oklahoma,
they got a good running back in Jaden Ott, the
guy from Cal in the transfer portal, and they brought
in his offensive coordinator from Washington State over to Oklahoma,
one of the last breathing remnants of the air raid era,
(39:30):
a guy named Arbuckle. And I was looking forward to
seeing the Sooners play this year with Mattier the engineer
behind the center. As far as U, I mean, I've
talked to the kid a couple times, and we've covered
his games, and I can't imagine. I want to believe
that he's that because no one is that galactically stupid,
(39:53):
right when when you play college football, they tell you
a thousand times about gambling, they talk to you about
social media. This does seem like a joke, and that's
what he said it was, and I just want to
believe the kid at face value. I do know a
lot of really stupid football players that might do this.
(40:14):
I don't think Matier would be among them. But I've
been wrong in the past, but I do think this
one's gonna blow over and we'll see him play for
Oklahoma this year. They've had bad luck with quarterbacks though recently. Yeah.
Speaker 4 (40:27):
Well, the interesting thing about this is it actually dates
back to November of twenty twenty two, and obviously he
was at Washington State at the time, I think as
a freshman, and I look at it and I say,
all right, well, what are you gonna do now?
Speaker 3 (40:41):
Like, I don't know if you look.
Speaker 4 (40:43):
At that with kind of I don't know, side eye
or skepticism as too the NCAA, and it's like, well, okay,
even if he did do it and it happened back then,
Are you really going to punish him three years later,
just his because we found out because someone rated on him.
Speaker 3 (40:58):
How do you look at it from that stand point?
You're right, I mean that that occurred to me too,
And the number one thing that occurred to me about
it was if he was still at Washington State, would
anybody have ever seen this? And the answer is no.
You know, in the SEC, some weirdos digging about your quarterback,
while some weirdo in your in your town is digging
(41:19):
about somebody else's quarterback.
Speaker 4 (41:22):
And and and so what they do with the South,
by the way, that's what they do down there, I guess.
Speaker 3 (41:26):
I mean, you'll see what that board over there, Jo Matyrny,
Oklahoma's not really the South, But you're right, you know,
I mean they're in the SEC now, and and you
know it's interesting, uh. I mean, I've talked to coaches
in the SEC that say, it's no fun to be
in the town because if you're in town and you're
not in your office working, somebody tells you why aren't
(41:47):
you in your office working? And and that's kind of
that's kind of the gist of it. But I think
it takes a real special a hole to go. I
don't care who you are to go digging into some
kids social media. Yes, it is really is really one
of the lower forms of journalism or whatever we would
call covering college football is today. Uh so, yeah, I
(42:12):
would look at it sideways completely. I don't know what
you'd do to the kid. It doesn't seem to me
like he's Robert de Niro and Casino as far as
gambling goes, you know, with the big stupid glasses on
stage blankly yeah, and a bunch of a bunch of
and horse racing.
Speaker 4 (42:29):
I don't think we're Matthew McConaughey from like was it
One for the money.
Speaker 3 (42:33):
Two for the money, two for rip that money out
of my talents? Yeah? Yeah, so yeah, I don't know.
I mean, it's not a nothing story because there's something
there and something to be talked about. But I agree
with you, I don't. I don't like seeing the kid.
I don't think he's a bad kid. I don't like
seeing it. But I gotta throw this out there.
Speaker 4 (42:56):
By the way, Obviously that movie didn't leave that big
of an impression on me because I couldn't remember the title.
Speaker 3 (43:01):
However, the first time I saw that it premiered.
Speaker 4 (43:04):
I was in college and Charlie Weist was our coach
and he took our entire team.
Speaker 3 (43:08):
And go see that.
Speaker 4 (43:09):
I want to say it was maybe during a bye
like imagine imagine the optics of the college and coach
taking a bunch of college kids to go see two.
Speaker 3 (43:20):
For the model. What was he into it or something
like that. I don't know. I mean, it was like
it was just a movie. It was like a movie
we could go see. So it's just a beauty. Wanted
to go see it. It was literally and it was just
like movie night. It was more of a general we
used to have movie night, you know. USC Pete Carroll
ended the practice, but USC football for I mean probably
(43:42):
seventy plus years did a movie night in uh in
In in Hollywood we would go to if we had
a home game, they would We would get in the
bus and drive from downtown LA to the Paramount Studios
which is on Melrose and uh And and there was
a special screening room there where some old executive was
(44:04):
a big USC guy, and we would they would screen
us a movie, a new movie that's awesome. Yeah. Well,
and you know, I mean, if you've ever been in
a movie theater with a whole football team. I mean
it's every single week during the season. I mean we
saw everything that came out that you would show a
football team. And then you know, it was such a
(44:26):
practice at USC that we'd go on the road and
they'd put us in theater in a theater, a local theater,
and we'd watch a movie. It was a big part
of USC football tradition that Pete Carroll ended a couple
stories from that. We saw The water Boy together before
(44:47):
we played sat Yeah, right before we played Stanford in
ninety eight, and it took about five minutes into the
movie to where everybody thought that I was exactly like
Bobby Bouchet and filled with rage and shame and and
hatred towards myself. And they showed us Almost Famous, which
was a very kind of a more mushy movie for
(45:09):
the football team to see together, but everybody everybody liked it.
They showed us Gatica, which nobody understood.
Speaker 7 (45:17):
That.
Speaker 3 (45:17):
You know, we we saw a lot of movies, but
I remember we were in Michigan City to see which
is we're usually where Notre Dame's opponent stays. You stay
in a holiday and in Michigan City that smells like
so much chlorine because of the indoor pool, and yeah,
no it's it's exphyxiating by the time you get out
(45:40):
onto the field and Notre Dame. You can barely breathe
under that big sky. But I remember they showed us
the movie with al Pacino and Keanu Reeves and Charlie's Throne,
the Devil's Advocate and half the team, you know, very religious.
Half the team walked out, you know, he was waiting
for the movie to be over because, you know, because
(46:00):
of all the Satanism, and people were just happy about that. So, yeah,
a lot of a lot of memories from seeing them,
as they never took a story. They did. They probably
took the team to see two for the money, but
that was after my time.
Speaker 4 (46:13):
I'm just thinking, like, how did someone not develop a
gambling habit from that? Because I was very green Petros like,
I didn't grow up in a family where we talked
about betting lines. I knew about odds and all that,
and really didn't learn about it until, you know. I
think someone one of the older guys when I was
a freshman had said something about us being like a
big underdog.
Speaker 3 (46:33):
I'm like, well, what do you mean a big underdog? Like,
how do you know that? And he's like.
Speaker 4 (46:37):
See this here, kid, He's like this, this is how
many points all right where we're expected to lose.
Speaker 3 (46:42):
By And I was like, no, well, you know it wasn't.
Look I mean, in our time coming up, we didn't.
I mean, you and l V was a dead was
a dead like a dead zone like Kansas football was
for years, right, You and l V was a dead
zone because they were in Vegas. You would never imagine
Las Vegas having one, two, three, four major sports teams.
(47:06):
It just would never happen. I mean, guys like Eric
Dickerson will tell you they discouraged players from going to
Las Vegas. They didn't want players in Las Vegas. The
whole embracing of gambling by our sports and you know,
it's not new in Europe. You know, they have that
(47:27):
you can bet at the a kiosk at the stadium,
you know, and it's been like that for a long time.
But here that was really stigmatized for a long long time,
and maybe for a good reason. Having a bad gambling
habit is one of the worst possible things you can
have to destroy your family and destroy everybody around you.
(47:49):
So I understand, but it just wasn't something we knew
much about, right Brady. I mean, it was more for
those weird Matthew McConaughey types in those movies. And now,
like like people, everybody seems to understand what an over is,
what an under is, what a hook is. You know
the betting line.
Speaker 5 (48:07):
Well, it's dangerous and all kid the side, right, especially
for young men, like they have these apps and I
had to get rid of it. One of my kids
had it and it wasn't real money, but it was
like my little one goes, oh yeah, I got fifty
thousand on the on the pacers in the in the
(48:28):
NBA five.
Speaker 3 (48:29):
There's a reason that that it was. There was a
reason that it was stigmatized for a long time. Yeah,
and now now that it's kind of a free for all,
you know, you try to hammer it into the college
football players heads or whoever's playing, like, listen, you can't
be involved in this at all, And uh, it's a
it's a fine line. And then I think it's a
(48:49):
I think it's a lot tougher world for these guys.
But you know, I think that's overall. I think that's
the case top to bottom, because most guys that I
played with were all an agreement that we'd all be
kicked off the football team. If we lived in the
era of social media. Yeah, we all would. I mean
we were just they recruited different people, we acted differently,
(49:12):
and we would not have survived. So these kids are
a little bit more used to being monitored. They're a
little bit more buttoned up than we were. But it's
I'm surprised we don't have more problems with with gambling
and and and it seems to be more and more
prevalent every year with weird little stories like this.
Speaker 5 (49:33):
Well the Cleveland did with the two relievers, including your clothes,
the class A.
Speaker 3 (49:38):
He was really good. Who's going to go down? Yeah?
Well first first pitch, prop bet he's gonna throw a curve? Okay, right, yeah,
you know it's it's too much of a it's too
much of a of a temptation, I guess to skillet
on the stove. But yeah, that I do think the
materier thing is gonna be okay, though, I hope all.
Speaker 5 (50:00):
Right, last thing, your overall thoughts of the rankings, Oh,
I only pay attention to the Joel Clatt.
Speaker 3 (50:07):
Top twenty five Top twenty five. I only pay attention
to Joel's. No, it's unfortunate. The only thing I really
hate about the rankings is if you start out in
the top ten, you really have to prove how much
you suck to fall out right. And then if you
(50:30):
start out outside the top twenty five, I mean, it
takes you till mid October of winning games till anybody
recognizes that you exist. And we I mean, look, we
don't lack TV coverage, and we have a big playoff
and most everybody that that proves it is probably going
(50:51):
to get in. So it's not the end of the
world like the BCS or anything like that. But your ranking,
if you're not ranked early, it can hurt you a
little bit as far as attention goes, and that shouldn't
be the case. I mean, we really shouldn't have a
top twenty five until you know, October, but we do
(51:11):
it because it garners attention and some people like to
watch a game that has a little number next to
one of the teams or both of them. So but
that's really the only reason it exists. And again, the
only top twenty five. That's worth a crap, is the
Joel klat Are you? Are you excited? Though? In all seriousness,
I gotta go to ann Arbor. No, not ann Arborer,
(51:32):
I gotta go to East Lansing to start out. Now
they've changed my first game three times, So I'm gonna
go to Michigan and watch watch Jonathan Smith and Aiden
Chiles against Western, and then I'm gonna come home the
next day and do Fresno versus Clay Helton, E. J.
Warner versus Georgia Southern, and we'll go from there. But yeah,
(51:55):
it's always Look, We've talked about it a whole bunch,
Brady in this space, the college football offs, and we
talked about it in the seminar. The college football off
season has been terrible, and that the stories aren't fun
to cover. This last one about Matier is just like that,
And it's all about the transfer portal and nil and
(52:18):
player selfishness and teams being callous and all all the
crap that we have in the off season that makes
us so unsavory. Thank God we have football games to
celebrate and we can put all the other stuff on
the back.
Speaker 5 (52:32):
Murder, Amen, brother, listen, enjoyed the game today. That would
be fun.
Speaker 3 (52:38):
So try my best. Appreciate your your your blass as always. Man,
Thanks best, thank you, appreciate you guys, and I'll talk
to you soon.
Speaker 5 (52:47):
He is Petros, He's he's the greatest, that dude.
Speaker 3 (52:52):
You swear to God. He's one of a kind, no
doubt he really is. He's a brilliant dude.
Speaker 5 (52:56):
Man, he is brilliant, highly entertaining, fine fun dude.
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