August 18, 2025 • 51 mins
Monday on 2 Pros and a Cup of Joe, the guys are back, hitting the ground running, and so are the Bears with a 38-0 win over the Bills in the preseason. The Bengals and Trey Hendrickson seem destined to part ways. And both Shedeur Sanders and Dillon Gabriel both look good in the 2nd week of the preseason.
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
It is the best of two pros and a couple
Joe with labar Aarings and rating win and Jonas Knox
on radio.
Speaker 2 (00:13):
It is nice to be back here on two pros
and a cup of Joe. Missed every real.
Speaker 3 (00:17):
Yeah, I missed y'all. I will say I missed y'all.
There's a lot of things I didn't miss, I will
say that, but I definitely missed y'all.
Speaker 2 (00:26):
So you know, just uh, getting getting reacclimated to this
time and this grind and uh and we're off and
running and we've got preseason football and and full display
Caleb Williams and Ben Johnson last night, I.
Speaker 4 (00:44):
Just say, just say it. After the after that touchdowns, drive.
Speaker 3 (00:47):
Their back, slice the Bears, slicing and dicing the Buffalo Bills.
Last night was.
Speaker 5 (00:55):
Hope right now Chicago for some of these sports teams,
Oh gosh, the Bears, the Cubs, no, no, no, not even
though the Brewers.
Speaker 3 (01:01):
Yeah yeah, why would you not say no, no, no.
Speaker 4 (01:04):
For the Bears.
Speaker 3 (01:06):
Oh, it's it's early on. Yeah, it's early Like. I
don't know that you go any direction with it. I
don't here's the thing. I don't know that you go
any direction with any of these teams. I just think
I think preseason has taken on such a different look
and feel.
Speaker 4 (01:21):
I just don't what do you like?
Speaker 3 (01:23):
What do you really take away from preseason games other
than you get an opportunity to see the teams play.
Speaker 4 (01:31):
I don't. I don't know.
Speaker 5 (01:32):
That's what's most interesting is I think there's two things
you take away from preseason.
Speaker 4 (01:36):
You see the rookies perform.
Speaker 5 (01:38):
On a game stage at you know, higher pace, faster speed,
and we make way.
Speaker 4 (01:44):
Too much of that.
Speaker 5 (01:45):
However, like if they're playing the way they're supposed to
or we think they're supposed to, they're on the right trajectory,
right Like some of the things you saw about you know,
the Bears, Killer Williams. If you just pay attention to
social media, is you would have thought last night would
have been a dumpster fire based on some of the
clips you see from practice and all this other stuff.
Then you watch them come out in a game. It
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looks efficient, looks snappy. He's on point, he's playing from
the pocket, he's playing quarterback, not trying to do too much,
not trying to make more than what's there. And they're efficient,
I mean both him and Tyson bagent were phenomenal. So again,
you know a lack of starters playing, Josh Allen's not
playing like we get all that, but for a quarterback
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in this case in Kleb Williams in a new system,
that's the other thing you look for. It's like, what's
this going to look like? What's Ben Johnson going to
look like as a head coach? So I kind of
sat back and go all right, like that that was
check the box, Like that's what you were hoping. It
looked like if you're a Bears fan or a Caleb
Williams fan, and it looked exactly what you thought it
was going to look like, you know, dialed up some
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different plays. He's connecting on passes in time, in rhythm,
on point, Like that's exactly what you'd hope for if
you were a Bears fan, hoping that Ben Johnson and
Caleb boy and that partnership will be able to get
win you some games, take the playoffs, and maybe win
a Super Bowl one day. That box is checked. It
didn't look like an absolute disaster out there.
Speaker 3 (03:10):
I would just say, wow, that's great commentary. That could
be fool's goal. And I don't know if it's real.
Speaker 4 (03:18):
It's preseason. It's pre it's preseason.
Speaker 3 (03:20):
Like, what are we supposed to get excited about nothing
other than the fact that football is I mean, not nothing.
Speaker 4 (03:26):
I don't want to say nothing. You get it. I
just said it.
Speaker 3 (03:29):
You get excited about getting an opportunity to see the
teams get out there and play. You see the Lion's
helmet like you got the highlights on right now, you
got the Dolphins logo. You get to see these other
you know players play. You get exciting moments from some
of the players you know. I mean, what's his name, Travion,
(03:50):
Travion Henderson. He he could he could challenge your boy
in in Vegas. He could challenge him for best running
back in the league. I would not be surprised league
or as a rookie, as a rookie, rookie, rookie in
the league, rookie in the league, I would not be surprised.
Hell I wouldn't be surprised if he challenges for one
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of the top backs in the league. If he can
continue to play the way it looks like he's going
to play. I mean, the kid is pretty special. I
knew he was special watching him in college. You don't
really know how that's going to translate at the next level.
But his explosive movements, his vision, his power. If he
can stay healthy, he he could be the pick of
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it could be the pick of the draft. As it
applies to an offensive weapon, especially an immediate offensive weapon,
it's possible.
Speaker 2 (04:49):
To Brady's point a little bit on preseason reactions, it's
only it only maybe means something if somebody just sucks,
if they come out and it's brutal.
Speaker 3 (05:01):
But is it even fair to But is it fair
to do? It's the preseason. You could stink like straight,
it's probably not. You do feel trash if you want to,
and if you're a first rounder, if it's the guy
that we're really paying attention to, Like if Jackson Dark
went out there and laid a big fat egg, if
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if one of these other players went out here and
laid an egg, do you really like, Okay, if Daniel
Jones lays an egg. If he lays an egg, then
maybe there's more to it because he's a vet and
you're trying to see what he can do in the preseason.
Like I feel like there's a couple, you know, exceptions,
but I mean for the most part, even if a
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young rookie plays horribly bad, you're gonna jump on him,
say he's playing bad, what does this mean? Oh is
he a bust? Start all that conversation. But he still
has the regular season to be able to be judged
on on a different level, a different scale based upon
the games counting.
Speaker 4 (06:05):
I just I feel like that's what it is. So
here's the difference is, And I'm with you, Like it's preseason.
Speaker 5 (06:10):
We tend to over exaggerate, speaking hyperbole about whatever takes place,
and we act like there's any sort of correlation between
how you're performed in the preseason and what looks like in.
Speaker 4 (06:21):
The regular season. I'm with you on all that. But
if we haven't gotten to it yet.
Speaker 5 (06:26):
But going back to the initial point as far as rookies,
if it's a rookie that's going to be starting and playing,
if he looks good, great, you feel good about him starting,
You feel good about.
Speaker 4 (06:34):
Him being the guy who's going to come in.
Speaker 5 (06:36):
Either quarterback, it could be cornerback, wide receiver, it could
be whatever position. You feel more optimistic though it does
move you in some type of way. If it's a
coach like Ben Johnson, you feel more optimistic, ask jonas
he's a Bears fan. The other thing I'll point out
because you mentioned the Daniel Jones and that's Anthony.
Speaker 4 (06:55):
Yeah, you could add him too well.
Speaker 5 (06:58):
I'll put it this way though, you look the New
York Giants. We haven't gotten there yet. But because Jackson
Dart has played so well, it then makes it harder
for a guy who's continually named as the starter in
Russell Wilson, where maybe that leash is a little bit
shorter because Jackson Darts checked all the boxes so far
with what they're expecting of him. So those are the
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small takeways. Again, I think we all read in into
it too much. It's it's a lot of hype around
it because we're all just waiting for that moment of
the season. But I'm not trying to spoil anyone's fun.
So you know, get into it, Lean into it like
Lee did Saturday Night. Oh Man, Enjoy how the Bears
look right now, because once again the season that could
have the potential.
Speaker 4 (07:39):
To change, most likely possibly.
Speaker 5 (07:42):
I'm just saying, just like where Lee's sleeps Saturday to
Sunday day to Tuesday, that could change, So get excited.
Speaker 4 (07:52):
Take a lat.
Speaker 3 (07:55):
Forget riverside, It's take a lot from here on out,
Take a lap.
Speaker 4 (08:02):
There.
Speaker 3 (08:02):
There have been some positives though, there have been some positives.
I'll say this, I think the ball's juiced?
Speaker 4 (08:09):
Are you?
Speaker 3 (08:09):
Are you seeing some of these kickers? Some remember major
League Baseball there was the claim the ball was juiced,
it would go far. I mean, I just thought it
was an interesting terminology considering what our our group chat,
our group text. That sounds like that could have been
one of the descriptions that we would have used on
could have been a movie title.
Speaker 4 (08:29):
I want to meet that guy. The balls are juiced?
Speaker 5 (08:33):
Yeah, the guy who writes that stuff just blows my mind.
Speaker 4 (08:38):
There's a relativity there. You got activity behind that stuff.
Speaker 3 (08:42):
I mean, you just gave another description right there. Yeah,
it blows my mind. Get it it does? You know,
it definitely does. I just you're watching these kickers nowadays,
Like who's the guy from Jackson Mille kicked a seventy
yard or something like that. Jake Moody kicked five field goals?
(09:03):
Was it? Blake Groupie from uh from the Saints's hit
a bomb looks good kicker for the Ravens. He's done
a good job. Like I'm just at at this point,
something's going on because they're they're kicking fifty yarders like
they used to be thirty yarders, and I don't know
what changed. I don't know what happened, but some it's
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they don't kickers don't look like they're any bigger, but
for some reason, they're hitting bombs at a clip that
we've never seen before. And it feels like this preseason
people are just rolling them out there from whatever distance.
About that is, they lowered the tee because kickers were
kicking starting to kick it from further away. They lowered
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the tea that you put the ball on or whatever
they call it.
Speaker 5 (09:52):
They don't put down a TEFL that's never it's about
field goals.
Speaker 3 (09:58):
For field goals, I just call it. Is that just college? Yeah,
because they lowered they lowered the tea, little black tea.
Yeah that's only college. Yeah, that's crazy. Then you imagine
if they did that in the NFL though, they lowered
the t's because they were bombing field goals. I didn't
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even realize it was well, hey, you know, there you go.
There goes my knowledge base. You know, I don't know,
but that is crazy because for me, I was coming
out during a golden time of kickers. If you that, please, no,
I need to take a lap on that one. I
came out same year as Sebastian Janikowski. He was a
first rounder. That's how far he was kicking. He was
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kicking the ball from the other side of the gat
Dang logo as well.
Speaker 4 (10:45):
In the center of the field.
Speaker 3 (10:46):
I mean, I've seen some pretty cool kickers, you know,
vander Jack Hall, there was, there was guys that were
kicking it pretty far.
Speaker 4 (10:55):
It does look different now though.
Speaker 3 (10:57):
It really does bigger than these like the balls are flying.
It does really look different from any distance.
Speaker 5 (11:03):
Like, can I make a case as to why that is?
Why it's the summertime it's hot, there's not as much wind.
I mean, it's usually happens this time of year when
it's like that.
Speaker 3 (11:14):
That's another description right there. I feel like you can
pull a description out on everything. There's another one right there,
you know what I mean, Like we just take a
look back at the at the group that which is
my favorite one?
Speaker 4 (11:30):
Wow?
Speaker 3 (11:30):
I mean clearly the one that he had up that
he was about the order was the best one. It
was clearly about the hick and firm order on that
with you. I gotta be honest with you. The one above,
the highlighted title to the right, oh good, which was
really something that's really something.
Speaker 4 (11:52):
I feel like you should let the listeners in on
what we're discussing.
Speaker 2 (11:56):
Somebody on the show we don't want to name uh goo.
Speaker 4 (11:59):
Which the one?
Speaker 3 (12:02):
How do you even know what the rest of the
one that's starting at midnight? You know, but what's the
one finished? The word?
Speaker 4 (12:11):
What's the what's the word at the end? Juggie boobs?
It's boobs.
Speaker 2 (12:17):
It's got so somebody on the show noticed while looking
for something on TV that when you get to a
certain section of the channels.
Speaker 3 (12:26):
That it's his full metal jacket and Franks thanks direct TV.
There's a whole there's a whole lot of war movies,
like titles.
Speaker 2 (12:37):
Like there's There's a U and one of the one
of the titles, you know, was one was very racist,
definitely very very very racist.
Speaker 4 (12:46):
You know, just imagine can you even say that on air?
Speaker 3 (12:50):
Can we say that, yeah, Asians versus Asians versus blacks?
Speaker 4 (12:55):
No, No, no, it was I don't think we can
actually say it.
Speaker 3 (12:59):
I'm not I said it but you can't say no,
that's not the time.
Speaker 4 (13:03):
I know.
Speaker 6 (13:03):
I don't want to say the whole title. I mean,
but it was a versus and it wasn't the two.
Speaker 3 (13:11):
It was the two with the two groups.
Speaker 4 (13:16):
They were both involved.
Speaker 3 (13:18):
Just imagine LeVar Panda Express.
Speaker 6 (13:21):
It is basically, try to get my finger into a
fortune code to get the fortune. If that gives you
a gread that gives you a good visual, I'm trying
to get the fortune out it.
Speaker 2 (13:36):
Just the moral is for all you cord cutters out there,
you're really missing out because there is some content still available.
Speaker 3 (13:45):
For anybody that chooses to go down that road.
Speaker 4 (13:49):
That's oh man, so.
Speaker 3 (13:52):
Well, hey, I do know this. So my said, my
forts said, don't stop, keep going.
Speaker 4 (14:00):
Great things are ahead for you.
Speaker 3 (14:05):
And a I mean it's true.
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Speaker 2 (15:08):
Trey Hendrickson drama and saga going for yet another turn
because on Sunday it was reported that now we're talking
trade scenario. Cincinnati is listening to trade offers for Trey
Hendrickson as contract talks are at an impasse, according to
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NFL network insiders Ian Rappaport and Tom Pellasero. Rap Report
added that any deal to get Hendrickson away from Cincinnati
will be expensive, likely requiring a young player and a
future draft pick. So apparently they've.
Speaker 3 (15:44):
Made no sort of progress on contract talks, and now
with the season fast approaching, Trey Hendrinson could potentially be
dealt before the year starts.
Speaker 5 (15:54):
Yeah, and why would they make any progress? Why would
anything change? Well, why would any thing change from where
it's but just because he showed back up. I mean,
clearly the Bengals don't want to pay him what he wants.
And I would assume there's been teams that have called
previously to trade for him, when the timing would have
made a little bit more sense. You know, he had
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more time to get traded, learn the system, get involved him.
He still has time, but this is not ideal, and
it feels like they really have come to an in
pass where it's like, all right, let's just go our
separate ways. There's nothing wrong with that, I mean, but
I think the hard part is not only is the
asking price for the trade gonna be expensive, it's gonna
cost him not just draft capital, but actual capital because
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they know he wants a new deal. So I'm not
sure how long this thing plays out because sincin Nat,
he's gonna have to you know, move forward and try
to you know, force him to come play for them
under this contract and then see if he's willing to
actually you know, hold out miss games or they're gonna
have to take a lesser offer.
Speaker 4 (16:58):
But I think the long term, the long term.
Speaker 5 (17:00):
View of this situation, it can't be like, hey, at
the end of the season, you know, we'll be able
to figure something out or get through it like Cincinnati's
on the cusp.
Speaker 4 (17:09):
I think of trying to, you know, be one of
those teams that makes a.
Speaker 5 (17:12):
Playoff run, and it's like figure it out, like figure
out in some fashion or form, either the trade, the
trade price, a contract extension that short term that he
would be willing to actually accept. Maybe he just kicked
the can down the road for another year and just
make him happy to get him back there to play.
Whatever the case is, this is exhausting, Like I think,
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I mean, I'm tired of talking about it. I think
Bengals fans are tired of talking about it. Who was
the what was the situation last year?
Speaker 4 (17:40):
Was it Rogers? Last year? We talked about forever?
Speaker 3 (17:45):
Yeah, uh, I'll say this. I think you're you're right.
I'm getting to the point now where my mind has
totally shifted into thinking it's play under your contract, and
that's what Jerry Jones is pretty much alluding to as well,
we could add Micah into the scenario. And here's what's interesting.
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Here's what's interesting. And I had to take a step
back and try to make sense of this in a
way where why do you make this type of stance?
And I started thinking to myself, who set the precedent's
presidents on on giving these contracts?
Speaker 4 (18:26):
Who started it off?
Speaker 3 (18:29):
Cleveland, right, And it's like, dang, Cleveland did it already
with DeShawn, but now they came back and doubled down
and did it with Miles Garrett. Well, if you think
about it, outside of Shaun Deshaun Watson coming in and
potentially being the guy who's the face of your franchise, undoubtedly,
no arguing even though you gotch your door some way, somehow,
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Maybe I don't. Miles Garrett is the face of the
Cleveland Browns. He gets his guaranteed contract, he gets the
he gets the Then you think about the next guy
that gets their number, and it comes into play. Who's
the face of the Pittsburgh Steelers. I think it's undoubtedly
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TJ Watt. Undoubtedly TJ Watt.
Speaker 4 (19:17):
Who are you gonna?
Speaker 7 (19:18):
Who?
Speaker 4 (19:18):
Who are we gonna argue against t J.
Speaker 3 (19:20):
Watt being the face of the franchise as well as
taking his production. I think what's working against Hendrickson and
Micah Parsons because as much as I love Micah, I
just got to say when I kind of rewind and
run back what Jerry has been saying in the media
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and the comparisons with Daz Bryant or with Ceed Lamb
and oh well, the the roars and the cheers were
louder last year for it, da da da. I don't
think for certain and Hendrickson's situations, he's not even the
number three. Maybe he's number three, biggest face, biggest name
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or player on the Bengals team. What you gotta go
obviously Burrow and then you go Jamar Chase. And I
mean you could decide if it's between Hendrickson and Higgins
for third place and fourth place. But if you look
at the Dallas Cowboys, while some may say it is
Michael Parsons, I don't think anyone would debate that Dak
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Prescott is the face of the Dallas Cowboys.
Speaker 4 (20:33):
Yeah, and then you have a.
Speaker 3 (20:36):
Debate between CD Lamb and Michael Parsons. I think the
value proposition here with Hendrickson and Parsons. If I'm just
being taken my feelings and my emotions out of what
I feel for Michael Parsons, I really think the issue
here is Jerry Jones truly believes that Michael Parsons needs
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to play out his contract, and I don't unless there
is some crazy ass circumstances that get involved with this.
I really believe he's willing to stand on that because
what's taking place in Cleveland is really something that I
think the owners have a problem with, and they're not
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going to fall victim to what could be perceived as
awarding these types of contracts to a guy that isn't
even the undisputed face of their franchise.
Speaker 4 (21:35):
And I think that it's.
Speaker 3 (21:36):
A hard thing to swallow, but could be true.
Speaker 5 (21:39):
If if we're doing it based on Jersey sales. To
your point, Joe Burrow, Jamar Chase T. Higgins at number
three for Jersey sales, and then I think Chamars Stewart
their first round. Hendrickson, No, but it's gonna be close.
But somewhere in that in that order.
Speaker 2 (21:59):
I mean, remember we were having the conversation. Was it
last year that we were talking about they've got Jamar,
Chase t Higgins and Trey Hendrickson to try and get
deals done. And it was, well, if you got to
pick two of the three, who are you gonna pay?
Speaker 3 (22:14):
And it was and they.
Speaker 4 (22:15):
Already paid him, They've already paid them.
Speaker 3 (22:18):
They chose they've already paid.
Speaker 2 (22:20):
I mean, I don't know that that necessarily means that
they can't come up with some sort of way to
pay Trey Hendrickson, but it's almost it feels like they
prioritize getting those guys done. And then Trey Hendrickson was like, well,
we'll get to him and we'll deal with that want.
Speaker 3 (22:33):
And people say that Jerry Jones really only opens up
the bank for offensive players, right, I mean, what Deon Sanders?
Who else has he really like broke the bank? The
Marcus the Marcus Ware, Lawrence, the Mark is Waere right.
I mean he paid Lawrence, but I mean he didn't
make him like the highest paid in the in the league.
Speaker 4 (22:52):
Did a good deal. It was a great deal. I
want to say he was pretty close when he did it.
Speaker 3 (22:56):
Yeah, I'm sure it was a great deal. But you're
we're talking Michael Parsons is probably seeking more than DJ Watt.
Speaker 4 (23:04):
Yeah, yeah, no, no, no, no, no doubt it.
Speaker 5 (23:06):
I mean, honestly, here's the thing, and this is where
I think you come to a crossroads for Hendrickson is
if you're an agent or you're Trey Hendrickson, you're saying
to the team, what else do you want from me? Like,
I've given you all the production that you could ask
for the past two years. And we talked about this
because you kind of threw on another year on the
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deal to help make me happy, but we knew there
wanted to be something more long term. And the Bengals
are obviously looking at his age. They're looking at the
fact that even with the production he had in sacks
and pressures, it still didn't equate to their defense being
able to hold their own. And they've got a new
defensive coordinator they've moved on from lou and Romo, so
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there's probably a thought in their mind of, yeah, that
was unbelievable, really appreciative of what you did, but you're
under contract and even with all your production, it didn't
change anything for the bottom line of our team. We
feel like the best thing for our team is to
provide Joe Burrow with all these targets around him and
allow us to win games in a shootout. I mean
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that's I mean, I go back to even just Al Golden,
the defensive coording that they brought in from Notre Dame.
It's so much more of a blitz heavy scheme. And
don't misconstrue it. Like talents talent. You want to have
your best players out there if you can, but if
you don't, you know, you can scheme some things up
to overload protections, to put a bunch of dbs on
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the field, and confuse the offensive line and infuse the
quarterback and find ways of getting free runners.
Speaker 3 (24:38):
You can do that.
Speaker 4 (24:39):
He does that.
Speaker 5 (24:40):
He did that a lot of Notre Dame where they'd
be coming from all over the field. So there might
be a thought to it as well that they got
to change a lot of things up on defense because
of what was there wasn't working.
Speaker 7 (24:52):
Now.
Speaker 5 (24:52):
It may have worked for Trey Hendrickson for his production,
but not for the team and their success. I think
that's the hardest thing about this conversation is as a players,
you're sitting there saying, go look at the tape. I've
done everything I can do in order to earn this contract,
and you're gonna hold against me because what my age?
Speaker 4 (25:12):
What else is there? What else is there?
Speaker 3 (25:15):
He may have hit his ceiling with Cincinnati because he's
not theirs. They brought him in. He's not one of
their draft picks. So not only are you older, but
you're not even really one of us. Like you've been productive,
and I get it, but if you were one of us,
I mean, is it playing out this way? You know
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who knows at your age? It's like, if we can
use you, we will, and we value you at the
contract we've given you. But to come back and give
you a contract that's as large and as rich as
the ones that you're seeing out there that you're comparing
yourself to, it's not worth the squeeze. And I think
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that that's where we're getting to. I didn't think that
that was where it would belong. I did not believe
that this is where it would get to. And again,
I'm I'm gonna keep putting them in the same box,
even though Michael Parsons is a top draft pick for.
Speaker 4 (26:14):
The cow Boys.
Speaker 3 (26:15):
But I just feel as though where we're at now,
for them to have drug it out this far and
be this close to the regular season, they might really
be standing on the fact that you gotta play this
contract year. You're under contract and you're gonna play.
Speaker 2 (26:32):
The reputation of the organizations sticks with me because I
look at Micah's situation, I go, well, they're gonna get
it done, like this is just just what they do.
And with the Bengals, I'm like, yeah, probably not.
Speaker 3 (26:42):
Gonna get it done. That's just what they do.
Speaker 4 (26:45):
Well, we talked about it last year.
Speaker 5 (26:47):
I think there's a lot of Cincinnati Bengals fans and
people there who got offended. They get upset when you
tell them what the truth is. It's not an organization
that spends a lot of cash. They're just not You're
in the bottom half of the league this year, You're
in the bottom half of the league next year. Like
I'm sorry, that's just that's how the organization is run.
And it's been able to have moments of success to
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spite all of that. You made a super Bowl despite
all of that. And you'll hear people who come on
here and they come on usually on Tuesdays, and they'll
defend a lot of people in the front office because
they're nice to them in the media. But the truth
of the matter is they are a cheap organization. I
got boys who played for them. They'll be the first
to tell you. They'd be the first to tell you. Now,
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that doesn't mean that there's not good parts of it
or the people there are great.
Speaker 4 (27:35):
They don't spend.
Speaker 5 (27:37):
So yeah, you know, to the point of when you
compare Cleveland, for example, to Cincinnati, and obviously two teams
are completely different positions. The one thing you can give
Jimmy has them credit for it's not for lack of trying.
He's trying. And if you look at for example, I'm
gonna go off on a tangent, but hang with me.
You know, I lived in South Florida and I watched
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the Florida Panthers for a number of years before they've
gone on this recent run where obviously they've won what
now back to back Stanley Cup champions they've gone to
three in a row, whatever it's been. You know, Vini
Viola of their owner, when he took over, he dumped
money into that organization still to this day. I mean,
it takes a lot of success in pro sports to
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make especially in certain sports, to make the teams profitable.
Speaker 4 (28:27):
It really does.
Speaker 5 (28:27):
It takes a lot of money and I'd say a
lot of luck and being able to win some games.
You get to the point where, like you get everyone's
showing up every single night during the course of the
regular season, and then once you get in the playoffs,
because look, you know, if you make the playoffs, people
are gonna show up. It's about being good enough where
people know what they can expect during the course of
the regular season night and night out. So when they
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do have a few extra bucks and they buy a
ticket or they do, you know, get off work to say, hey,
I want to go see a hockey game, and I
want to see my team get blasted, are blown. I
want to see a good competitive, fun environment all those things.
So look, they've created an incredible culture and all that stuff,
but they threw a ton of money at it too,
and that's where it kind of you look at Jimmy
Housen for example.
Speaker 4 (29:08):
Hes want the Browns. I mean, they're gonna build a
new stadium.
Speaker 5 (29:12):
They're trying to, you know, bring in guys who at
least they thought he was their franchise quarterback.
Speaker 4 (29:15):
Obviously not.
Speaker 5 (29:17):
They're paying the face of their franchise right now. Miles
Garrett as they should, but like it's not for lack
of trying. It just you know, hasn't really all come
together quite yet for them, and they're still looking for
that one piece of quarterback, which we'll get to, but
for since now you have that guy, Like if there
was ever a time where you're trying to load up
and say this is the window, man, Like, this is
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the window.
Speaker 4 (29:38):
We've got the guy. Let's load up. Let's keep bringing
these guys back. It's now.
Speaker 5 (29:44):
And again we don't know the specifics of the negotiation,
but you're twenty first in the league in total cash
spent this year. You want to know how you be
able to make it work within the cap. You give
them cash, big signing bonus. Every player loves that. Do
you love that when you get your signing both it
hits your account, You're like, hell, yeah, but let's go now.
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Yeah and by the way, next year, twenty second in
the league, Scott Shapiro in cash damn yeah. Yeah, even
in radio. Yeah, but you get my points, like, like,
I hate how Cincinnati fans get upset by this.
Speaker 3 (30:22):
Yeah, I don't.
Speaker 4 (30:23):
It's because it's a pride thing, man.
Speaker 5 (30:24):
I mean, you have to understand, Like, you know, people
in certain parts of the country are very prideful about
where they're from, and as they should be, you know,
I mean in all seriousness. I mean one of the
things I've noticed the most when when you work for
Covenants based in la and when you've lived for a
significant period of time on the East Coast, you realize
there's a lot of people in the middle of the country.
It feels like they're overlooked and and and this is
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an example of that. And sometimes how it shows showcase
itself is through their fandom and sports teams, because that
sports team represents them, It represents where they're from.
Speaker 3 (30:57):
That's what it's always been supposed to be, represent where
you're from. Like all this decentralizing of fans, but I
will say this, Midwest fan bases are generally super and
especially Ohio and Pittsburgh, those type areas Philadelphia, their fans
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are centralized and they are intense, to say the least.
They are in tense like in the colder weather, you know,
the the you know industries where you're coal mining or
steel mills, you know those type of industries, real real
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blue collar, hard hat lunch pels cities Markets, Baltimore.
Speaker 4 (31:45):
You know, they're like that.
Speaker 3 (31:48):
They are very very passionate about their teams, and they
don't play about it, even for right or for wrong.
They don't play about it. So good for them, but
it just happens to be a little bit misled, you know,
miss misguided on this one.
Speaker 4 (32:05):
I would think.
Speaker 2 (32:05):
They'd be proud of the fact that they are cheap
asses and still have somehow figured out a way to
get to Super Bowls and not win it. I mean, hey,
but you know what, there's a lot of teams who
have spent money and close. Jerry Jones has spent a
ton of money and has not been doing a conference
championship game in thirty years.
Speaker 3 (32:25):
Dan Snyder spent more money than anybody and didn't come close.
You can't outspend this, you know, bang for your Maybe
the Bengals are onto something, you know, bang for your buck. Hey,
you ain't gonna win it anyway.
Speaker 4 (32:36):
I see you're you're converting right now to a Bengals fan.
Speaker 2 (32:40):
I'm trying to find the positives here for Bengals fans
who get very worked up about this stuff.
Speaker 5 (32:45):
Maybe Lee should be a Bengals fan. He's always looking
for a bargain. Lee is banged up? Is what he's
a bank tell you?
Speaker 3 (32:54):
Do?
Speaker 4 (32:54):
You want to know what?
Speaker 3 (32:55):
For people listening? Uh. One of the highlights of the
show thus far in.
Speaker 5 (32:59):
The middle logged out of our zoom because Lee won't
actually pay for a subscription.
Speaker 3 (33:05):
Right on the screen, Right on the screen, it just says,
you're free.
Speaker 4 (33:12):
This is our show. Like what this happened on any
other time slot?
Speaker 3 (33:16):
This is where it happens, like you need it to
happen if you want to hear the most outrageous craziness
of how a show is being ran. Name another slot
with a line up where this ass happens. The joint
timed out. It timed out like, yeah, it was. It
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was on my personal I thought I thought we were
doing Streamyard. What happened to Streamyard? I'm on stream Yard
right now. It's uh, it's but it's also blacked out.
I don't know what's going on with stream Yard.
Speaker 4 (33:49):
You are glass out. Take a lap.
Speaker 3 (33:51):
Maybe the computers off take a lap lead you some
sort of cheap free version of emails too. I feel
like all your emails coming to be delayed. I agree
on that one too. I agree on that one too.
To here, let me let me try this. What what
are you going to try?
Speaker 2 (34:10):
Well, it's you just send it to lead to lap
At Prestige liquor.
Speaker 3 (34:15):
You're gonna That's what I had.
Speaker 4 (34:19):
That's the one I had.
Speaker 3 (34:21):
I don't know if you got a different one there,
But Jonas is the only one that had strong communication
lines with tries to defend himself, like, do you take
yourself seriously?
Speaker 5 (34:32):
Sometimes with the conversations we have, No, I actually throw
myself under the bus more than I should.
Speaker 4 (34:39):
I don't stand up for myself then I should.
Speaker 3 (34:42):
So what he's basically saying is he should have defended
himself against me this morning. I feel like I'm pretty accurate.
I don't. I don't feel like there's no defending necessaries,
just you know, I feel like there's a lot of
accuracy to.
Speaker 4 (34:57):
Well.
Speaker 3 (34:57):
I mean though, I mean, I would have liked to
came in cool, to be honest, I did have a
Celsius and my energy level was on high. Bro I
came in this joint. Oh wait, I'm still just like,
hey man, yeah, I can walk to that. I was
ready to be happy with him, and then I'm trying
to like, you know, then then out of nowhere. I'm
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trying to like what.
Speaker 4 (35:21):
Was not in my email, and I don't see anything. Yeah, well,
maybe you tried to peg him. You know whoa whoa?
You know whoa seek or something? You know whoa.
Speaker 3 (35:35):
Too many titles, too many adult titles going on in
this show right now.
Speaker 4 (35:40):
I don't see Brady, Buddy. I'm in streaming in the
waiting room.
Speaker 3 (35:46):
I tell you.
Speaker 4 (35:48):
You're controlling as you have to let me in.
Speaker 3 (35:50):
Dude.
Speaker 4 (35:51):
By the way, once it's a free one.
Speaker 3 (35:53):
So all right, man, we'll move off.
Speaker 4 (36:01):
I came all this. All I was trying to do
was get ready for a show.
Speaker 3 (36:05):
All this criticism we're giving the Bengals organization and we're
doing free zoom trials to our show. And we are
the Bengals.
Speaker 7 (36:14):
We are.
Speaker 3 (36:14):
We are the Cincinnati Bangles of this network. Our show,
our show. Don't get that to the whole network. I
just was watching Tam Patrick's Booty Cheeks aw television yesterday.
Speaker 4 (36:30):
He's doing pretty well for him.
Speaker 3 (36:32):
So what do you mean?
Speaker 4 (36:33):
I was watching adults or whatever?
Speaker 3 (36:35):
Grown ups, grown ups, two grown ups. One when he
was the gym teacher. Yeah, he's dad is funny as
hell too. By the way, he's a pretty funny dude.
He was hitting him with with the killer butt. Che
looked like he had a bb al.
Speaker 4 (36:51):
Damn.
Speaker 7 (36:52):
Be sure to catch live editions of Two Pros and
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Speaker 3 (37:03):
Kevin Stefanski was talking with the media and detailed when
he's deciding on naming the starting quarterback for Week one
this upcoming season. Here was the Browns head coach.
Speaker 10 (37:17):
I want to get through the next couple of days,
but certainly that's something that we're going to do here,
sooner or later. I need to get the football team
in here, talk to the players, those type of things.
So we're working towards obviously Week one. You know, that's
part of what this week is about getting our football
team ready. So we'll make all those type of determinations
in the next couple of days.
Speaker 2 (37:37):
So I'm going to go out on a limb here.
I think it's going to be Joe Flacco, all right,
So that's going to be my prediction. I don't know
if you guys have knocks blocks.
Speaker 4 (37:49):
I mean, I'm gonna second that.
Speaker 5 (37:50):
I think it's gonna be Joe Flacco as a starting
quarterback wins wis what?
Speaker 4 (37:57):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (37:57):
While we go back to that, well, now we have options.
Speaker 5 (38:00):
That's the worst one though. That's why we have options
because we hated that one.
Speaker 3 (38:05):
Yeah. I don't really like envision Q is Mario? You know,
I just don't. It's there, I know it, but I
just don't see you as being short, you know what
I mean? Like, I just think of Mario. I think short.
Speaker 4 (38:20):
Luigi was taller though, wasn't He was taller?
Speaker 3 (38:23):
Yeah, he was taller. Too, skinny though you're jacked, he's not.
Uh yeah he's not.
Speaker 4 (38:28):
He wasn't. Now we're done.
Speaker 3 (38:37):
That one's way better.
Speaker 4 (38:38):
Lee might like that one the best lead.
Speaker 3 (38:40):
Oh wow, what wow?
Speaker 4 (38:48):
That's what I was playing while you was cooking steaks yesterday, bir.
Speaker 3 (38:54):
Snakes.
Speaker 4 (38:55):
What was you wearing when you was cooking steak? Yeah,
exactly the same thing I'm wearing now.
Speaker 3 (39:02):
Yeah, I'm sure.
Speaker 4 (39:05):
I'm sure. Hey Lee, where'd you sleep last time?
Speaker 3 (39:08):
Again? A couple of couches?
Speaker 4 (39:10):
Well, you need a good mattress. Let me tell you,
good sleep starts with a good mattress. And I trusted
the mattress from sleep. That's goods to find my perfect.
Speaker 5 (39:18):
Mattress from their premium selection for the Great Sleep You
Deserve is a mattress firm during the best sale of
the year, they make sleep easily.
Speaker 3 (39:25):
It's very good at cue. That was very well done,
you know.
Speaker 2 (39:28):
I speaking of the Browns, Dylan Gabriel looked okay over.
Speaker 3 (39:34):
The weekend and he looked good man. He's a competitor.
Speaker 4 (39:38):
Yeah, well, okay, here we go. Did anyone take offense
to that or take that a certain one?
Speaker 3 (39:44):
I don't care. I could care less. I just saw
it making its rounds.
Speaker 4 (39:47):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (39:48):
He's not an entertainer. He's a competitor. And you know what,
the first thing I thought about when I saw that
or heard the sound bite was if you were call
there was a guy by the name of Dan Lanning
that wasn't into social media and acting and all that stuff.
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It's about playing football. Now. I don't know, fighting for clicks,
for fighting for wins. I don't know if that was
that wasn't Dylan Gabriel's team, I don't believe, But obviously
I think that there is the connection to Dan Lanning
in Oregon and what that messaging was. So now It's
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interesting if some way, somehow, because it does appear that
Shador has no problem addressing his critics or anybody that
has something to say about him. It doesn't seem like
he has any issues with it. I wonder if they
had a conversation about that.
Speaker 2 (40:49):
The fact that anybody would take Dylan Gabriel saying.
Speaker 3 (40:53):
I'm a competitor.
Speaker 2 (40:54):
They're entertainers and their competitors and try and turn that into, oh,
he took a shot at a shad Or Sanders is
just exactly what people are trying to turn this into.
It's now become a Dylan Gabriel versus shad Or Sanders.
It's because you know why it's turning into that, because
that's what people are thinking. I mean, let's be clear,
people are thinking that Shador Sanders is entertainment, and and
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so for him to throw in he's a competitor, that's
that's him adding on to it. But it's already like
that's already a perception is that it's it's entertainment. I
like the fact that they ask about it after the game,
and he's got to clarify he wasn't talking about Shador,
but made it a point to tell the media there
in attendance.
Speaker 3 (41:40):
No, you're the entertainers. I'm a competitor, which I don't
know that I fully agree with that, because you have to.
Speaker 4 (41:46):
I mean, the.
Speaker 3 (41:47):
Media industry is very competitive. Yeah, but we're competing.
Speaker 5 (41:51):
And I get what he's saying though, like we're here
for entertainment, right, Like that's ultimately what it's about. Yeah,
I mean, well that is true. I mean now that
you don't you don't break news. I mean, you know,
sports isn't about breaking news anymore. It's just about there's
some breaking news like trades and stuff like that, injuries
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or somebody got in trouble, stuff like that. But generally speaking,
I mean, you're just talking about and giving your opinions
on different things that are taking place. I mean, I
get it, I get it. We're definitely here for entertainment,
at least I know I am. You know, I'm not
trying to be anything more than an entertainer. But you know,
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I did play the game too, so I don't have
a problem with being an entertainer because I've been a
competitor in my life as well.
Speaker 2 (42:39):
So do you think people are going to go after
Dylan Gabriel and some of the hot take artists are
going to go after Dylan Gabriel for this.
Speaker 3 (42:46):
I think it will suck if because the only people
that are really going to go after him that it
really matters is within the market, Like the fan base
may attack Dylan Gabriel based off of that, depending on
how it plays out, it could. I mean, I've said
it from the jump the minute they drafted Shador Sanders,
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whatever team drafted him was going to have to deal
with the stardom effect, the stardom impact of what he
brings to the table, and it's proven to be true.
And listen, he plays some he I mean, I'll defer
to you on this cue. I mean throwing the ball
in that first game, he made some throws that I
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didn't I mean, I didn't.
Speaker 4 (43:33):
Realize he could throw the ball that well.
Speaker 3 (43:35):
I mean, I knew he could play, but I just
didn't know he was hitting tight windows like he was
doing in that game.
Speaker 4 (43:42):
He can play football.
Speaker 3 (43:44):
But I do believe that his stardom his start, and
he doesn't shy away from it obviously, but his stardom
was going to be a thing wherever it is he went,
and you're seeing that in Cleveland.
Speaker 5 (44:01):
Yeah, I mean, I know, you know, reservations or doubts
about his throwing ability. I thought what he showcased in
that first game was his ability to kind of move
around and showcase his athleticism that like, he can be
a running threat, he can scramble, he can hurt you
with his legs, because you know he was very hesitant
to do it at the college level. But to your point,
I mean, just stepping back, those two are always going
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to be tied to each other because they're drafted in
the same year and there's only one guy who starts.
Speaker 4 (44:29):
And so whether or not.
Speaker 5 (44:33):
They want to describe it as a competition or however
you want to go about doing it, it's just it
is what it is. It's really hard to, you know,
have those sorts of feelings where you can you things
can be friendly when you guys are both fighting for
a job, whether that's the starting job, a backup, hell,
it could be a roster spot. You know, you were
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you were in competition with one another, and you know
how doing Gabriel operates and how shoud or Santos operate
or completely different. But in regards to what we saw
in the field, I thought Dylan Gabriel did everything he
needed to do to continue to be in that conversation
for either the backup because I think Flacco is the starter.
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We've you know, addressed that, or make a roster spot.
He was on time, on point, He was very accurate.
You know, the interception was such a fluke, weird play
off of a boot. I mean, there's a lot of
things that went wrong. You know, obviously he just needs
to throw it away at that point and he'll learn that.
You know, it's preseason, so it's a good learning lesson.
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I'm sure Tommy Reese and Kevin Stefansk are telling him that.
But it doesn't help when your flat control bleeds up
the field. It allows the defender to undercut it. It
doesn't help that the overall like everything was kind of
collapsing all into one big team meeting. So you know,
chalk it up as a learning lesson and as a mistake.
But it wasn't just on him. You know, you just
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ultimately are the ones that that's created on it because
you have the football, so everyone it seems to blame
you in the end, where really, if there's a little
more separation, maybe there's a window, maybe there's someone else
you can make a play on the football, or at worse,
it's it's a complete But I digress.
Speaker 4 (46:09):
I think you know, it's not so much. The intrigue
about the Browns aren't about who the quarterbacks can be
week one.
Speaker 5 (46:14):
It's who the quarterback is, you know, Week seventeen, and
is that game even a meaningful game for the Browns
with whoever is that's starting quarterback?
Speaker 3 (46:22):
For in public opinion, Dylan Gabriel cannot outplay the entertainment
factor that Shador Sanders brings to the table.
Speaker 2 (46:31):
Were you watching the game on NFL Network when they
showed it on Saturday, Like the second Dylan Gabriel through
that pick one of the first camera shots they went.
Speaker 4 (46:40):
They can't.
Speaker 3 (46:41):
I cannot out and I'll take it a step further.
I'll take it a step further. I'll take it a
step further. Joe Flatco will not be able to outplay
the entertainment factor that Shador Sanders brings to the table.
Speaker 4 (46:58):
So here's the thing.
Speaker 5 (47:00):
If Shador does what we saw him do in the
first preseason, and if he plays that way, because it
wasn't that long ago that the Browns drafted Johnny Manziel
and people were saying the exact same thing you're saying
right now. And the problem is when the play doesn't
come with it, then it's like, okay, now it's just
a circus. So that's the problem is, you know, it
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looks all good when you walk out in a fight
and you got the whole crew and the whole parade
coming out with you. But that's when you win. When
you don't win, then it's like it turns against you.
So again, all that stuff right now doesn't matter. It
only was gonna matter if he doesn't play well, which
again I think he's fully capable. I mean, we're talking
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about a coach he's won multiple Coach of the Year awards,
who knows how to put his quarterbacks in.
Speaker 4 (47:45):
A position to succeed. And this is a talented roster
around them.
Speaker 5 (47:49):
I mean, Thrash looks great, Kate Davis said a phenomenal
training camp preseason so far, like they've got young kats,
a wide receiver who stepped up, who have looked the part.
Speaker 4 (47:57):
So it's gonna be really interesting.
Speaker 5 (47:59):
I just I think that it sounds all all good,
But it's not that long ago that we kind of
saw the entertainment value of Johnny Manziel and the clamoring
for Johnny Manziel and then that quickly faded by the wayside.
Speaker 3 (48:11):
I'm going to totally take a different take on that
because I believe Shador Sanders, being drafted where he was drafted,
was turned into a sympathetic figure, not even just in
Cleveland in general to sports fans and onlookers, and I
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believe looking at what chador situation is, it will be
a hard pressed situation for him to even play poorly
and possibly be held accountable for his play. I think
he will always because he has so much built up
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in terms of what his family name, what his dad
has represented, what his dad has gone through, what people
have related Shador Sanders too, and being connected to his dad.
I think the storyline, if anything, Young Bucky has done
such an excellent job of building out the identity of
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Shador Sanders, and his dad has has mastermind and built
out such a strong identity for Shador Sanders. It doesn't
even come close to Johnny Manziel. Doesn't even come close.
Because Johnny Manziel, while he was like the People's champion,
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he did it the way he wanted to do it
and the money and this, that and the other, his
controversial type of ways and the way. People were very
split and divided in terms of how they felt about
Johnny Manziel. While people may hate on Shador, I think
there he has grabbed a very captive audience in a
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very very specific demo that they're not going to go
for Shador.
Speaker 4 (50:05):
What demo is? You know what it is? Well, here's
here's the one thing I got SAand rebuttal to that
is yeah, I know, I know.
Speaker 5 (50:12):
As soon as I saw him they're showing him walking
out for that first preseason game, I had people text
me to go, here we go again, like for everything
you just said and how sympathetic with the draft and
all that stuff. As soon as it was like the
kind of circus coming into the game, there are people
who already started to get a side eye to it.
Speaker 4 (50:31):
We're like, you already lost them. Like if there was sympathetic,
they're rooting form fifth round pick all stuff.
Speaker 5 (50:37):
There are people who are like, all right, right back
to kind of the whole circus and everything else off
the show.
Speaker 4 (50:42):
So again, none of it matters. None of it matters.
Speaker 5 (50:44):
If he plays well, they win. That's that's that's all
that matters, right at the end of the day. That's
all that I don't know that he's going to play.
Speaker 3 (50:52):
I think that the way it plays out, his public
opinion will be all over whoever's playing. It'll be all
over their neck, which plays in his favor because he's
not going to be in a situation where he's lowering
his value that way.
It is the best of two pros and a couple
Joe with labar Aarings and rating win and Jonas Knox
on radio.
Speaker 2 (00:13):
It is nice to be back here on two pros
and a cup of Joe. Missed every real.
Speaker 3 (00:17):
Yeah, I missed y'all. I will say I missed y'all.
There's a lot of things I didn't miss, I will
say that, but I definitely missed y'all.
Speaker 2 (00:26):
So you know, just uh, getting getting reacclimated to this
time and this grind and uh and we're off and
running and we've got preseason football and and full display
Caleb Williams and Ben Johnson last night, I.
Speaker 4 (00:44):
Just say, just say it. After the after that touchdowns, drive.
Speaker 3 (00:47):
Their back, slice the Bears, slicing and dicing the Buffalo Bills.
Last night was.
Speaker 5 (00:55):
Hope right now Chicago for some of these sports teams,
Oh gosh, the Bears, the Cubs, no, no, no, not even
though the Brewers.
Speaker 3 (01:01):
Yeah yeah, why would you not say no, no, no.
Speaker 4 (01:04):
For the Bears.
Speaker 3 (01:06):
Oh, it's it's early on. Yeah, it's early Like. I
don't know that you go any direction with it. I
don't here's the thing. I don't know that you go
any direction with any of these teams. I just think
I think preseason has taken on such a different look
and feel.
Speaker 4 (01:21):
I just don't what do you like?
Speaker 3 (01:23):
What do you really take away from preseason games other
than you get an opportunity to see the teams play.
Speaker 4 (01:31):
I don't. I don't know.
Speaker 5 (01:32):
That's what's most interesting is I think there's two things
you take away from preseason.
Speaker 4 (01:36):
You see the rookies perform.
Speaker 5 (01:38):
On a game stage at you know, higher pace, faster speed,
and we make way.
Speaker 4 (01:44):
Too much of that.
Speaker 5 (01:45):
However, like if they're playing the way they're supposed to
or we think they're supposed to, they're on the right trajectory,
right Like some of the things you saw about you know,
the Bears, Killer Williams. If you just pay attention to
social media, is you would have thought last night would
have been a dumpster fire based on some of the
clips you see from practice and all this other stuff.
Then you watch them come out in a game. It
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looks efficient, looks snappy. He's on point, he's playing from
the pocket, he's playing quarterback, not trying to do too much,
not trying to make more than what's there. And they're efficient,
I mean both him and Tyson bagent were phenomenal. So again,
you know a lack of starters playing, Josh Allen's not
playing like we get all that, but for a quarterback
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in this case in Kleb Williams in a new system,
that's the other thing you look for. It's like, what's
this going to look like? What's Ben Johnson going to
look like as a head coach? So I kind of
sat back and go all right, like that that was
check the box, Like that's what you were hoping. It
looked like if you're a Bears fan or a Caleb
Williams fan, and it looked exactly what you thought it
was going to look like, you know, dialed up some
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different plays. He's connecting on passes in time, in rhythm,
on point, Like that's exactly what you'd hope for if
you were a Bears fan, hoping that Ben Johnson and
Caleb boy and that partnership will be able to get
win you some games, take the playoffs, and maybe win
a Super Bowl one day. That box is checked. It
didn't look like an absolute disaster out there.
Speaker 3 (03:10):
I would just say, wow, that's great commentary. That could
be fool's goal. And I don't know if it's real.
Speaker 4 (03:18):
It's preseason. It's pre it's preseason.
Speaker 3 (03:20):
Like, what are we supposed to get excited about nothing
other than the fact that football is I mean, not nothing.
Speaker 4 (03:26):
I don't want to say nothing. You get it. I
just said it.
Speaker 3 (03:29):
You get excited about getting an opportunity to see the
teams get out there and play. You see the Lion's
helmet like you got the highlights on right now, you
got the Dolphins logo. You get to see these other
you know players play. You get exciting moments from some
of the players you know. I mean, what's his name, Travion,
(03:50):
Travion Henderson. He he could he could challenge your boy
in in Vegas. He could challenge him for best running
back in the league. I would not be surprised league
or as a rookie, as a rookie, rookie, rookie in
the league, rookie in the league, I would not be surprised.
Hell I wouldn't be surprised if he challenges for one
(04:14):
of the top backs in the league. If he can
continue to play the way it looks like he's going
to play. I mean, the kid is pretty special. I
knew he was special watching him in college. You don't
really know how that's going to translate at the next level.
But his explosive movements, his vision, his power. If he
can stay healthy, he he could be the pick of
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it could be the pick of the draft. As it
applies to an offensive weapon, especially an immediate offensive weapon,
it's possible.
Speaker 2 (04:49):
To Brady's point a little bit on preseason reactions, it's
only it only maybe means something if somebody just sucks,
if they come out and it's brutal.
Speaker 3 (05:01):
But is it even fair to But is it fair
to do? It's the preseason. You could stink like straight,
it's probably not. You do feel trash if you want to,
and if you're a first rounder, if it's the guy
that we're really paying attention to, Like if Jackson Dark
went out there and laid a big fat egg, if
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if one of these other players went out here and
laid an egg, do you really like, Okay, if Daniel
Jones lays an egg. If he lays an egg, then
maybe there's more to it because he's a vet and
you're trying to see what he can do in the preseason.
Like I feel like there's a couple, you know, exceptions,
but I mean for the most part, even if a
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young rookie plays horribly bad, you're gonna jump on him,
say he's playing bad, what does this mean? Oh is
he a bust? Start all that conversation. But he still
has the regular season to be able to be judged
on on a different level, a different scale based upon
the games counting.
Speaker 4 (06:05):
I just I feel like that's what it is. So
here's the difference is, And I'm with you, Like it's preseason.
Speaker 5 (06:10):
We tend to over exaggerate, speaking hyperbole about whatever takes place,
and we act like there's any sort of correlation between
how you're performed in the preseason and what looks like in.
Speaker 4 (06:21):
The regular season. I'm with you on all that. But
if we haven't gotten to it yet.
Speaker 5 (06:26):
But going back to the initial point as far as rookies,
if it's a rookie that's going to be starting and playing,
if he looks good, great, you feel good about him starting,
You feel good about.
Speaker 4 (06:34):
Him being the guy who's going to come in.
Speaker 5 (06:36):
Either quarterback, it could be cornerback, wide receiver, it could
be whatever position. You feel more optimistic though it does
move you in some type of way. If it's a
coach like Ben Johnson, you feel more optimistic, ask jonas
he's a Bears fan. The other thing I'll point out
because you mentioned the Daniel Jones and that's Anthony.
Speaker 4 (06:55):
Yeah, you could add him too well.
Speaker 5 (06:58):
I'll put it this way though, you look the New
York Giants. We haven't gotten there yet. But because Jackson
Dart has played so well, it then makes it harder
for a guy who's continually named as the starter in
Russell Wilson, where maybe that leash is a little bit
shorter because Jackson Darts checked all the boxes so far
with what they're expecting of him. So those are the
(07:19):
small takeways. Again, I think we all read in into
it too much. It's it's a lot of hype around
it because we're all just waiting for that moment of
the season. But I'm not trying to spoil anyone's fun.
So you know, get into it, Lean into it like
Lee did Saturday Night. Oh Man, Enjoy how the Bears
look right now, because once again the season that could
have the potential.
Speaker 4 (07:39):
To change, most likely possibly.
Speaker 5 (07:42):
I'm just saying, just like where Lee's sleeps Saturday to
Sunday day to Tuesday, that could change, So get excited.
Speaker 4 (07:52):
Take a lat.
Speaker 3 (07:55):
Forget riverside, It's take a lot from here on out,
Take a lap.
Speaker 4 (08:02):
There.
Speaker 3 (08:02):
There have been some positives though, there have been some positives.
I'll say this, I think the ball's juiced?
Speaker 4 (08:09):
Are you?
Speaker 3 (08:09):
Are you seeing some of these kickers? Some remember major
League Baseball there was the claim the ball was juiced,
it would go far. I mean, I just thought it
was an interesting terminology considering what our our group chat,
our group text. That sounds like that could have been
one of the descriptions that we would have used on
could have been a movie title.
Speaker 4 (08:29):
I want to meet that guy. The balls are juiced?
Speaker 5 (08:33):
Yeah, the guy who writes that stuff just blows my mind.
Speaker 4 (08:38):
There's a relativity there. You got activity behind that stuff.
Speaker 3 (08:42):
I mean, you just gave another description right there. Yeah,
it blows my mind. Get it it does? You know,
it definitely does. I just you're watching these kickers nowadays,
Like who's the guy from Jackson Mille kicked a seventy
yard or something like that. Jake Moody kicked five field goals?
(09:03):
Was it? Blake Groupie from uh from the Saints's hit
a bomb looks good kicker for the Ravens. He's done
a good job. Like I'm just at at this point,
something's going on because they're they're kicking fifty yarders like
they used to be thirty yarders, and I don't know
what changed. I don't know what happened, but some it's
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they don't kickers don't look like they're any bigger, but
for some reason, they're hitting bombs at a clip that
we've never seen before. And it feels like this preseason
people are just rolling them out there from whatever distance.
About that is, they lowered the tee because kickers were
kicking starting to kick it from further away. They lowered
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the tea that you put the ball on or whatever
they call it.
Speaker 5 (09:52):
They don't put down a TEFL that's never it's about
field goals.
Speaker 3 (09:58):
For field goals, I just call it. Is that just college? Yeah,
because they lowered they lowered the tea, little black tea.
Yeah that's only college. Yeah, that's crazy. Then you imagine
if they did that in the NFL though, they lowered
the t's because they were bombing field goals. I didn't
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even realize it was well, hey, you know, there you go.
There goes my knowledge base. You know, I don't know,
but that is crazy because for me, I was coming
out during a golden time of kickers. If you that, please, no,
I need to take a lap on that one. I
came out same year as Sebastian Janikowski. He was a
first rounder. That's how far he was kicking. He was
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kicking the ball from the other side of the gat
Dang logo as well.
Speaker 4 (10:45):
In the center of the field.
Speaker 3 (10:46):
I mean, I've seen some pretty cool kickers, you know,
vander Jack Hall, there was, there was guys that were
kicking it pretty far.
Speaker 4 (10:55):
It does look different now though.
Speaker 3 (10:57):
It really does bigger than these like the balls are flying.
It does really look different from any distance.
Speaker 5 (11:03):
Like, can I make a case as to why that is?
Why it's the summertime it's hot, there's not as much wind.
I mean, it's usually happens this time of year when
it's like that.
Speaker 3 (11:14):
That's another description right there. I feel like you can
pull a description out on everything. There's another one right there,
you know what I mean, Like we just take a
look back at the at the group that which is
my favorite one?
Speaker 4 (11:30):
Wow?
Speaker 3 (11:30):
I mean clearly the one that he had up that
he was about the order was the best one. It
was clearly about the hick and firm order on that
with you. I gotta be honest with you. The one above,
the highlighted title to the right, oh good, which was
really something that's really something.
Speaker 4 (11:52):
I feel like you should let the listeners in on
what we're discussing.
Speaker 2 (11:56):
Somebody on the show we don't want to name uh goo.
Speaker 4 (11:59):
Which the one?
Speaker 3 (12:02):
How do you even know what the rest of the
one that's starting at midnight? You know, but what's the
one finished? The word?
Speaker 4 (12:11):
What's the what's the word at the end? Juggie boobs?
It's boobs.
Speaker 2 (12:17):
It's got so somebody on the show noticed while looking
for something on TV that when you get to a
certain section of the channels.
Speaker 3 (12:26):
That it's his full metal jacket and Franks thanks direct TV.
There's a whole there's a whole lot of war movies,
like titles.
Speaker 2 (12:37):
Like there's There's a U and one of the one
of the titles, you know, was one was very racist,
definitely very very very racist.
Speaker 4 (12:46):
You know, just imagine can you even say that on air?
Speaker 3 (12:50):
Can we say that, yeah, Asians versus Asians versus blacks?
Speaker 4 (12:55):
No, No, no, it was I don't think we can
actually say it.
Speaker 3 (12:59):
I'm not I said it but you can't say no,
that's not the time.
Speaker 4 (13:03):
I know.
Speaker 6 (13:03):
I don't want to say the whole title. I mean,
but it was a versus and it wasn't the two.
Speaker 3 (13:11):
It was the two with the two groups.
Speaker 4 (13:16):
They were both involved.
Speaker 3 (13:18):
Just imagine LeVar Panda Express.
Speaker 6 (13:21):
It is basically, try to get my finger into a
fortune code to get the fortune. If that gives you
a gread that gives you a good visual, I'm trying
to get the fortune out it.
Speaker 2 (13:36):
Just the moral is for all you cord cutters out there,
you're really missing out because there is some content still available.
Speaker 3 (13:45):
For anybody that chooses to go down that road.
Speaker 4 (13:49):
That's oh man, so.
Speaker 3 (13:52):
Well, hey, I do know this. So my said, my
forts said, don't stop, keep going.
Speaker 4 (14:00):
Great things are ahead for you.
Speaker 3 (14:05):
And a I mean it's true.
Speaker 7 (14:08):
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Speaker 3 (15:00):
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Speaker 2 (15:08):
Trey Hendrickson drama and saga going for yet another turn
because on Sunday it was reported that now we're talking
trade scenario. Cincinnati is listening to trade offers for Trey
Hendrickson as contract talks are at an impasse, according to
(15:28):
NFL network insiders Ian Rappaport and Tom Pellasero. Rap Report
added that any deal to get Hendrickson away from Cincinnati
will be expensive, likely requiring a young player and a
future draft pick. So apparently they've.
Speaker 3 (15:44):
Made no sort of progress on contract talks, and now
with the season fast approaching, Trey Hendrinson could potentially be
dealt before the year starts.
Speaker 5 (15:54):
Yeah, and why would they make any progress? Why would
anything change? Well, why would any thing change from where
it's but just because he showed back up. I mean,
clearly the Bengals don't want to pay him what he wants.
And I would assume there's been teams that have called
previously to trade for him, when the timing would have
made a little bit more sense. You know, he had
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more time to get traded, learn the system, get involved him.
He still has time, but this is not ideal, and
it feels like they really have come to an in
pass where it's like, all right, let's just go our
separate ways. There's nothing wrong with that, I mean, but
I think the hard part is not only is the
asking price for the trade gonna be expensive, it's gonna
cost him not just draft capital, but actual capital because
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they know he wants a new deal. So I'm not
sure how long this thing plays out because sincin Nat,
he's gonna have to you know, move forward and try
to you know, force him to come play for them
under this contract and then see if he's willing to
actually you know, hold out miss games or they're gonna
have to take a lesser offer.
Speaker 4 (16:58):
But I think the long term, the long term.
Speaker 5 (17:00):
View of this situation, it can't be like, hey, at
the end of the season, you know, we'll be able
to figure something out or get through it like Cincinnati's
on the cusp.
Speaker 4 (17:09):
I think of trying to, you know, be one of
those teams that makes a.
Speaker 5 (17:12):
Playoff run, and it's like figure it out, like figure
out in some fashion or form, either the trade, the
trade price, a contract extension that short term that he
would be willing to actually accept. Maybe he just kicked
the can down the road for another year and just
make him happy to get him back there to play.
Whatever the case is, this is exhausting, Like I think,
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I mean, I'm tired of talking about it. I think
Bengals fans are tired of talking about it. Who was
the what was the situation last year?
Speaker 4 (17:40):
Was it Rogers? Last year? We talked about forever?
Speaker 3 (17:45):
Yeah, uh, I'll say this. I think you're you're right.
I'm getting to the point now where my mind has
totally shifted into thinking it's play under your contract, and
that's what Jerry Jones is pretty much alluding to as well,
we could add Micah into the scenario. And here's what's interesting.
(18:09):
Here's what's interesting. And I had to take a step
back and try to make sense of this in a
way where why do you make this type of stance?
And I started thinking to myself, who set the precedent's
presidents on on giving these contracts?
Speaker 4 (18:26):
Who started it off?
Speaker 3 (18:29):
Cleveland, right, And it's like, dang, Cleveland did it already
with DeShawn, but now they came back and doubled down
and did it with Miles Garrett. Well, if you think
about it, outside of Shaun Deshaun Watson coming in and
potentially being the guy who's the face of your franchise, undoubtedly,
no arguing even though you gotch your door some way, somehow,
(18:51):
Maybe I don't. Miles Garrett is the face of the
Cleveland Browns. He gets his guaranteed contract, he gets the
he gets the Then you think about the next guy
that gets their number, and it comes into play. Who's
the face of the Pittsburgh Steelers. I think it's undoubtedly
(19:12):
TJ Watt. Undoubtedly TJ Watt.
Speaker 4 (19:17):
Who are you gonna?
Speaker 7 (19:18):
Who?
Speaker 4 (19:18):
Who are we gonna argue against t J.
Speaker 3 (19:20):
Watt being the face of the franchise as well as
taking his production. I think what's working against Hendrickson and
Micah Parsons because as much as I love Micah, I
just got to say when I kind of rewind and
run back what Jerry has been saying in the media
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and the comparisons with Daz Bryant or with Ceed Lamb
and oh well, the the roars and the cheers were
louder last year for it, da da da. I don't
think for certain and Hendrickson's situations, he's not even the
number three. Maybe he's number three, biggest face, biggest name
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or player on the Bengals team. What you gotta go
obviously Burrow and then you go Jamar Chase. And I
mean you could decide if it's between Hendrickson and Higgins
for third place and fourth place. But if you look
at the Dallas Cowboys, while some may say it is
Michael Parsons, I don't think anyone would debate that Dak
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Prescott is the face of the Dallas Cowboys.
Speaker 4 (20:33):
Yeah, and then you have a.
Speaker 3 (20:36):
Debate between CD Lamb and Michael Parsons. I think the
value proposition here with Hendrickson and Parsons. If I'm just
being taken my feelings and my emotions out of what
I feel for Michael Parsons, I really think the issue
here is Jerry Jones truly believes that Michael Parsons needs
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to play out his contract, and I don't unless there
is some crazy ass circumstances that get involved with this.
I really believe he's willing to stand on that because
what's taking place in Cleveland is really something that I
think the owners have a problem with, and they're not
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going to fall victim to what could be perceived as
awarding these types of contracts to a guy that isn't
even the undisputed face of their franchise.
Speaker 4 (21:35):
And I think that it's.
Speaker 3 (21:36):
A hard thing to swallow, but could be true.
Speaker 5 (21:39):
If if we're doing it based on Jersey sales. To
your point, Joe Burrow, Jamar Chase T. Higgins at number
three for Jersey sales, and then I think Chamars Stewart
their first round. Hendrickson, No, but it's gonna be close.
But somewhere in that in that order.
Speaker 2 (21:59):
I mean, remember we were having the conversation. Was it
last year that we were talking about they've got Jamar,
Chase t Higgins and Trey Hendrickson to try and get
deals done. And it was, well, if you got to
pick two of the three, who are you gonna pay?
Speaker 3 (22:14):
And it was and they.
Speaker 4 (22:15):
Already paid him, They've already paid them.
Speaker 3 (22:18):
They chose they've already paid.
Speaker 2 (22:20):
I mean, I don't know that that necessarily means that
they can't come up with some sort of way to
pay Trey Hendrickson, but it's almost it feels like they
prioritize getting those guys done. And then Trey Hendrickson was like, well,
we'll get to him and we'll deal with that want.
Speaker 3 (22:33):
And people say that Jerry Jones really only opens up
the bank for offensive players, right, I mean, what Deon Sanders?
Who else has he really like broke the bank? The
Marcus the Marcus Ware, Lawrence, the Mark is Waere right.
I mean he paid Lawrence, but I mean he didn't
make him like the highest paid in the in the league.
Speaker 4 (22:52):
Did a good deal. It was a great deal. I
want to say he was pretty close when he did it.
Speaker 3 (22:56):
Yeah, I'm sure it was a great deal. But you're
we're talking Michael Parsons is probably seeking more than DJ Watt.
Speaker 4 (23:04):
Yeah, yeah, no, no, no, no, no doubt it.
Speaker 5 (23:06):
I mean, honestly, here's the thing, and this is where
I think you come to a crossroads for Hendrickson is
if you're an agent or you're Trey Hendrickson, you're saying
to the team, what else do you want from me? Like,
I've given you all the production that you could ask
for the past two years. And we talked about this
because you kind of threw on another year on the
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deal to help make me happy, but we knew there
wanted to be something more long term. And the Bengals
are obviously looking at his age. They're looking at the
fact that even with the production he had in sacks
and pressures, it still didn't equate to their defense being
able to hold their own. And they've got a new
defensive coordinator they've moved on from lou and Romo, so
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there's probably a thought in their mind of, yeah, that
was unbelievable, really appreciative of what you did, but you're
under contract and even with all your production, it didn't
change anything for the bottom line of our team. We
feel like the best thing for our team is to
provide Joe Burrow with all these targets around him and
allow us to win games in a shootout. I mean
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that's I mean, I go back to even just Al Golden,
the defensive coording that they brought in from Notre Dame.
It's so much more of a blitz heavy scheme. And
don't misconstrue it. Like talents talent. You want to have
your best players out there if you can, but if
you don't, you know, you can scheme some things up
to overload protections, to put a bunch of dbs on
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the field, and confuse the offensive line and infuse the
quarterback and find ways of getting free runners.
Speaker 3 (24:38):
You can do that.
Speaker 4 (24:39):
He does that.
Speaker 5 (24:40):
He did that a lot of Notre Dame where they'd
be coming from all over the field. So there might
be a thought to it as well that they got
to change a lot of things up on defense because
of what was there wasn't working.
Speaker 7 (24:52):
Now.
Speaker 5 (24:52):
It may have worked for Trey Hendrickson for his production,
but not for the team and their success. I think
that's the hardest thing about this conversation is as a players,
you're sitting there saying, go look at the tape. I've
done everything I can do in order to earn this contract,
and you're gonna hold against me because what my age?
Speaker 4 (25:12):
What else is there? What else is there?
Speaker 3 (25:15):
He may have hit his ceiling with Cincinnati because he's
not theirs. They brought him in. He's not one of
their draft picks. So not only are you older, but
you're not even really one of us. Like you've been productive,
and I get it, but if you were one of us,
I mean, is it playing out this way? You know
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who knows at your age? It's like, if we can
use you, we will, and we value you at the
contract we've given you. But to come back and give
you a contract that's as large and as rich as
the ones that you're seeing out there that you're comparing
yourself to, it's not worth the squeeze. And I think
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that that's where we're getting to. I didn't think that
that was where it would belong. I did not believe
that this is where it would get to. And again,
I'm I'm gonna keep putting them in the same box,
even though Michael Parsons is a top draft pick for.
Speaker 4 (26:14):
The cow Boys.
Speaker 3 (26:15):
But I just feel as though where we're at now,
for them to have drug it out this far and
be this close to the regular season, they might really
be standing on the fact that you gotta play this
contract year. You're under contract and you're gonna play.
Speaker 2 (26:32):
The reputation of the organizations sticks with me because I
look at Micah's situation, I go, well, they're gonna get
it done, like this is just just what they do.
And with the Bengals, I'm like, yeah, probably not.
Speaker 3 (26:42):
Gonna get it done. That's just what they do.
Speaker 4 (26:45):
Well, we talked about it last year.
Speaker 5 (26:47):
I think there's a lot of Cincinnati Bengals fans and
people there who got offended. They get upset when you
tell them what the truth is. It's not an organization
that spends a lot of cash. They're just not You're
in the bottom half of the league this year, You're
in the bottom half of the league next year. Like
I'm sorry, that's just that's how the organization is run.
And it's been able to have moments of success to
(27:09):
spite all of that. You made a super Bowl despite
all of that. And you'll hear people who come on
here and they come on usually on Tuesdays, and they'll
defend a lot of people in the front office because
they're nice to them in the media. But the truth
of the matter is they are a cheap organization. I
got boys who played for them. They'll be the first
to tell you. They'd be the first to tell you. Now,
(27:30):
that doesn't mean that there's not good parts of it
or the people there are great.
Speaker 4 (27:35):
They don't spend.
Speaker 5 (27:37):
So yeah, you know, to the point of when you
compare Cleveland, for example, to Cincinnati, and obviously two teams
are completely different positions. The one thing you can give
Jimmy has them credit for it's not for lack of trying.
He's trying. And if you look at for example, I'm
gonna go off on a tangent, but hang with me.
You know, I lived in South Florida and I watched
(27:58):
the Florida Panthers for a number of years before they've
gone on this recent run where obviously they've won what
now back to back Stanley Cup champions they've gone to
three in a row, whatever it's been. You know, Vini
Viola of their owner, when he took over, he dumped
money into that organization still to this day. I mean,
it takes a lot of success in pro sports to
(28:21):
make especially in certain sports, to make the teams profitable.
Speaker 4 (28:27):
It really does.
Speaker 5 (28:27):
It takes a lot of money and I'd say a
lot of luck and being able to win some games.
You get to the point where, like you get everyone's
showing up every single night during the course of the
regular season, and then once you get in the playoffs,
because look, you know, if you make the playoffs, people
are gonna show up. It's about being good enough where
people know what they can expect during the course of
the regular season night and night out. So when they
(28:49):
do have a few extra bucks and they buy a
ticket or they do, you know, get off work to say, hey,
I want to go see a hockey game, and I
want to see my team get blasted, are blown. I
want to see a good competitive, fun environment all those things.
So look, they've created an incredible culture and all that stuff,
but they threw a ton of money at it too,
and that's where it kind of you look at Jimmy
Housen for example.
Speaker 4 (29:08):
Hes want the Browns. I mean, they're gonna build a
new stadium.
Speaker 5 (29:12):
They're trying to, you know, bring in guys who at
least they thought he was their franchise quarterback.
Speaker 4 (29:15):
Obviously not.
Speaker 5 (29:17):
They're paying the face of their franchise right now. Miles
Garrett as they should, but like it's not for lack
of trying. It just you know, hasn't really all come
together quite yet for them, and they're still looking for
that one piece of quarterback, which we'll get to, but
for since now you have that guy, Like if there
was ever a time where you're trying to load up
and say this is the window, man, Like, this is
(29:38):
the window.
Speaker 4 (29:38):
We've got the guy. Let's load up. Let's keep bringing
these guys back. It's now.
Speaker 5 (29:44):
And again we don't know the specifics of the negotiation,
but you're twenty first in the league in total cash
spent this year. You want to know how you be
able to make it work within the cap. You give
them cash, big signing bonus. Every player loves that. Do
you love that when you get your signing both it
hits your account, You're like, hell, yeah, but let's go now.
(30:05):
Yeah and by the way, next year, twenty second in
the league, Scott Shapiro in cash damn yeah. Yeah, even
in radio. Yeah, but you get my points, like, like,
I hate how Cincinnati fans get upset by this.
Speaker 3 (30:22):
Yeah, I don't.
Speaker 4 (30:23):
It's because it's a pride thing, man.
Speaker 5 (30:24):
I mean, you have to understand, Like, you know, people
in certain parts of the country are very prideful about
where they're from, and as they should be, you know,
I mean in all seriousness. I mean one of the
things I've noticed the most when when you work for
Covenants based in la and when you've lived for a
significant period of time on the East Coast, you realize
there's a lot of people in the middle of the country.
It feels like they're overlooked and and and this is
(30:46):
an example of that. And sometimes how it shows showcase
itself is through their fandom and sports teams, because that
sports team represents them, It represents where they're from.
Speaker 3 (30:57):
That's what it's always been supposed to be, represent where
you're from. Like all this decentralizing of fans, but I
will say this, Midwest fan bases are generally super and
especially Ohio and Pittsburgh, those type areas Philadelphia, their fans
(31:20):
are centralized and they are intense, to say the least.
They are in tense like in the colder weather, you know,
the the you know industries where you're coal mining or
steel mills, you know those type of industries, real real
(31:41):
blue collar, hard hat lunch pels cities Markets, Baltimore.
Speaker 4 (31:45):
You know, they're like that.
Speaker 3 (31:48):
They are very very passionate about their teams, and they
don't play about it, even for right or for wrong.
They don't play about it. So good for them, but
it just happens to be a little bit misled, you know,
miss misguided on this one.
Speaker 4 (32:05):
I would think.
Speaker 2 (32:05):
They'd be proud of the fact that they are cheap
asses and still have somehow figured out a way to
get to Super Bowls and not win it. I mean, hey,
but you know what, there's a lot of teams who
have spent money and close. Jerry Jones has spent a
ton of money and has not been doing a conference
championship game in thirty years.
Speaker 3 (32:25):
Dan Snyder spent more money than anybody and didn't come close.
You can't outspend this, you know, bang for your Maybe
the Bengals are onto something, you know, bang for your buck. Hey,
you ain't gonna win it anyway.
Speaker 4 (32:36):
I see you're you're converting right now to a Bengals fan.
Speaker 2 (32:40):
I'm trying to find the positives here for Bengals fans
who get very worked up about this stuff.
Speaker 5 (32:45):
Maybe Lee should be a Bengals fan. He's always looking
for a bargain. Lee is banged up? Is what he's
a bank tell you?
Speaker 3 (32:54):
Do?
Speaker 4 (32:54):
You want to know what?
Speaker 3 (32:55):
For people listening? Uh. One of the highlights of the
show thus far in.
Speaker 5 (32:59):
The middle logged out of our zoom because Lee won't
actually pay for a subscription.
Speaker 3 (33:05):
Right on the screen, Right on the screen, it just says,
you're free.
Speaker 4 (33:12):
This is our show. Like what this happened on any
other time slot?
Speaker 3 (33:16):
This is where it happens, like you need it to
happen if you want to hear the most outrageous craziness
of how a show is being ran. Name another slot
with a line up where this ass happens. The joint
timed out. It timed out like, yeah, it was. It
(33:37):
was on my personal I thought I thought we were
doing Streamyard. What happened to Streamyard? I'm on stream Yard
right now. It's uh, it's but it's also blacked out.
I don't know what's going on with stream Yard.
Speaker 4 (33:49):
You are glass out. Take a lap.
Speaker 3 (33:51):
Maybe the computers off take a lap lead you some
sort of cheap free version of emails too. I feel
like all your emails coming to be delayed. I agree
on that one too. I agree on that one too.
To here, let me let me try this. What what
are you going to try?
Speaker 2 (34:10):
Well, it's you just send it to lead to lap
At Prestige liquor.
Speaker 3 (34:15):
You're gonna That's what I had.
Speaker 4 (34:19):
That's the one I had.
Speaker 3 (34:21):
I don't know if you got a different one there,
But Jonas is the only one that had strong communication
lines with tries to defend himself, like, do you take
yourself seriously?
Speaker 5 (34:32):
Sometimes with the conversations we have, No, I actually throw
myself under the bus more than I should.
Speaker 4 (34:39):
I don't stand up for myself then I should.
Speaker 3 (34:42):
So what he's basically saying is he should have defended
himself against me this morning. I feel like I'm pretty accurate.
I don't. I don't feel like there's no defending necessaries,
just you know, I feel like there's a lot of
accuracy to.
Speaker 4 (34:57):
Well.
Speaker 3 (34:57):
I mean though, I mean, I would have liked to
came in cool, to be honest, I did have a
Celsius and my energy level was on high. Bro I
came in this joint. Oh wait, I'm still just like,
hey man, yeah, I can walk to that. I was
ready to be happy with him, and then I'm trying
to like, you know, then then out of nowhere. I'm
(35:20):
trying to like what.
Speaker 4 (35:21):
Was not in my email, and I don't see anything. Yeah, well,
maybe you tried to peg him. You know whoa whoa?
You know whoa seek or something? You know whoa.
Speaker 3 (35:35):
Too many titles, too many adult titles going on in
this show right now.
Speaker 4 (35:40):
I don't see Brady, Buddy. I'm in streaming in the
waiting room.
Speaker 3 (35:46):
I tell you.
Speaker 4 (35:48):
You're controlling as you have to let me in.
Speaker 3 (35:50):
Dude.
Speaker 4 (35:51):
By the way, once it's a free one.
Speaker 3 (35:53):
So all right, man, we'll move off.
Speaker 4 (36:01):
I came all this. All I was trying to do
was get ready for a show.
Speaker 3 (36:05):
All this criticism we're giving the Bengals organization and we're
doing free zoom trials to our show. And we are
the Bengals.
Speaker 7 (36:14):
We are.
Speaker 3 (36:14):
We are the Cincinnati Bangles of this network. Our show,
our show. Don't get that to the whole network. I
just was watching Tam Patrick's Booty Cheeks aw television yesterday.
Speaker 4 (36:30):
He's doing pretty well for him.
Speaker 3 (36:32):
So what do you mean?
Speaker 4 (36:33):
I was watching adults or whatever?
Speaker 3 (36:35):
Grown ups, grown ups, two grown ups. One when he
was the gym teacher. Yeah, he's dad is funny as
hell too. By the way, he's a pretty funny dude.
He was hitting him with with the killer butt. Che
looked like he had a bb al.
Speaker 4 (36:51):
Damn.
Speaker 7 (36:52):
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Speaker 3 (37:03):
Kevin Stefanski was talking with the media and detailed when
he's deciding on naming the starting quarterback for Week one
this upcoming season. Here was the Browns head coach.
Speaker 10 (37:17):
I want to get through the next couple of days,
but certainly that's something that we're going to do here,
sooner or later. I need to get the football team
in here, talk to the players, those type of things.
So we're working towards obviously Week one. You know, that's
part of what this week is about getting our football
team ready. So we'll make all those type of determinations
in the next couple of days.
Speaker 2 (37:37):
So I'm going to go out on a limb here.
I think it's going to be Joe Flacco, all right,
So that's going to be my prediction. I don't know
if you guys have knocks blocks.
Speaker 4 (37:49):
I mean, I'm gonna second that.
Speaker 5 (37:50):
I think it's gonna be Joe Flacco as a starting
quarterback wins wis what?
Speaker 4 (37:57):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (37:57):
While we go back to that, well, now we have options.
Speaker 5 (38:00):
That's the worst one though. That's why we have options
because we hated that one.
Speaker 3 (38:05):
Yeah. I don't really like envision Q is Mario? You know,
I just don't. It's there, I know it, but I
just don't see you as being short, you know what
I mean? Like, I just think of Mario. I think short.
Speaker 4 (38:20):
Luigi was taller though, wasn't He was taller?
Speaker 3 (38:23):
Yeah, he was taller. Too, skinny though you're jacked, he's not.
Uh yeah he's not.
Speaker 4 (38:28):
He wasn't. Now we're done.
Speaker 3 (38:37):
That one's way better.
Speaker 4 (38:38):
Lee might like that one the best lead.
Speaker 3 (38:40):
Oh wow, what wow?
Speaker 4 (38:48):
That's what I was playing while you was cooking steaks yesterday, bir.
Speaker 3 (38:54):
Snakes.
Speaker 4 (38:55):
What was you wearing when you was cooking steak? Yeah,
exactly the same thing I'm wearing now.
Speaker 3 (39:02):
Yeah, I'm sure.
Speaker 4 (39:05):
I'm sure. Hey Lee, where'd you sleep last time?
Speaker 3 (39:08):
Again? A couple of couches?
Speaker 4 (39:10):
Well, you need a good mattress. Let me tell you,
good sleep starts with a good mattress. And I trusted
the mattress from sleep. That's goods to find my perfect.
Speaker 5 (39:18):
Mattress from their premium selection for the Great Sleep You
Deserve is a mattress firm during the best sale of
the year, they make sleep easily.
Speaker 3 (39:25):
It's very good at cue. That was very well done,
you know.
Speaker 2 (39:28):
I speaking of the Browns, Dylan Gabriel looked okay over.
Speaker 3 (39:34):
The weekend and he looked good man. He's a competitor.
Speaker 4 (39:38):
Yeah, well, okay, here we go. Did anyone take offense
to that or take that a certain one?
Speaker 3 (39:44):
I don't care. I could care less. I just saw
it making its rounds.
Speaker 4 (39:47):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (39:48):
He's not an entertainer. He's a competitor. And you know what,
the first thing I thought about when I saw that
or heard the sound bite was if you were call
there was a guy by the name of Dan Lanning
that wasn't into social media and acting and all that stuff.
(40:09):
It's about playing football. Now. I don't know, fighting for clicks,
for fighting for wins. I don't know if that was
that wasn't Dylan Gabriel's team, I don't believe, But obviously
I think that there is the connection to Dan Lanning
in Oregon and what that messaging was. So now It's
(40:29):
interesting if some way, somehow, because it does appear that
Shador has no problem addressing his critics or anybody that
has something to say about him. It doesn't seem like
he has any issues with it. I wonder if they
had a conversation about that.
Speaker 2 (40:49):
The fact that anybody would take Dylan Gabriel saying.
Speaker 3 (40:53):
I'm a competitor.
Speaker 2 (40:54):
They're entertainers and their competitors and try and turn that into, oh,
he took a shot at a shad Or Sanders is
just exactly what people are trying to turn this into.
It's now become a Dylan Gabriel versus shad Or Sanders.
It's because you know why it's turning into that, because
that's what people are thinking. I mean, let's be clear,
people are thinking that Shador Sanders is entertainment, and and
(41:20):
so for him to throw in he's a competitor, that's
that's him adding on to it. But it's already like
that's already a perception is that it's it's entertainment. I
like the fact that they ask about it after the game,
and he's got to clarify he wasn't talking about Shador,
but made it a point to tell the media there
in attendance.
Speaker 3 (41:40):
No, you're the entertainers. I'm a competitor, which I don't
know that I fully agree with that, because you have to.
Speaker 4 (41:46):
I mean, the.
Speaker 3 (41:47):
Media industry is very competitive. Yeah, but we're competing.
Speaker 5 (41:51):
And I get what he's saying though, like we're here
for entertainment, right, Like that's ultimately what it's about. Yeah,
I mean, well that is true. I mean now that
you don't you don't break news. I mean, you know,
sports isn't about breaking news anymore. It's just about there's
some breaking news like trades and stuff like that, injuries
(42:12):
or somebody got in trouble, stuff like that. But generally speaking,
I mean, you're just talking about and giving your opinions
on different things that are taking place. I mean, I
get it, I get it. We're definitely here for entertainment,
at least I know I am. You know, I'm not
trying to be anything more than an entertainer. But you know,
(42:32):
I did play the game too, so I don't have
a problem with being an entertainer because I've been a
competitor in my life as well.
Speaker 2 (42:39):
So do you think people are going to go after
Dylan Gabriel and some of the hot take artists are
going to go after Dylan Gabriel for this.
Speaker 3 (42:46):
I think it will suck if because the only people
that are really going to go after him that it
really matters is within the market, Like the fan base
may attack Dylan Gabriel based off of that, depending on
how it plays out, it could. I mean, I've said
it from the jump the minute they drafted Shador Sanders,
(43:09):
whatever team drafted him was going to have to deal
with the stardom effect, the stardom impact of what he
brings to the table, and it's proven to be true.
And listen, he plays some he I mean, I'll defer
to you on this cue. I mean throwing the ball
in that first game, he made some throws that I
(43:31):
didn't I mean, I didn't.
Speaker 4 (43:33):
Realize he could throw the ball that well.
Speaker 3 (43:35):
I mean, I knew he could play, but I just
didn't know he was hitting tight windows like he was
doing in that game.
Speaker 4 (43:42):
He can play football.
Speaker 3 (43:44):
But I do believe that his stardom his start, and
he doesn't shy away from it obviously, but his stardom
was going to be a thing wherever it is he went,
and you're seeing that in Cleveland.
Speaker 5 (44:01):
Yeah, I mean, I know, you know, reservations or doubts
about his throwing ability. I thought what he showcased in
that first game was his ability to kind of move
around and showcase his athleticism that like, he can be
a running threat, he can scramble, he can hurt you
with his legs, because you know he was very hesitant
to do it at the college level. But to your point,
I mean, just stepping back, those two are always going
(44:24):
to be tied to each other because they're drafted in
the same year and there's only one guy who starts.
Speaker 4 (44:29):
And so whether or not.
Speaker 5 (44:33):
They want to describe it as a competition or however
you want to go about doing it, it's just it
is what it is. It's really hard to, you know,
have those sorts of feelings where you can you things
can be friendly when you guys are both fighting for
a job, whether that's the starting job, a backup, hell,
it could be a roster spot. You know, you were
(44:53):
you were in competition with one another, and you know
how doing Gabriel operates and how shoud or Santos operate
or completely different. But in regards to what we saw
in the field, I thought Dylan Gabriel did everything he
needed to do to continue to be in that conversation
for either the backup because I think Flacco is the starter.
(45:14):
We've you know, addressed that, or make a roster spot.
He was on time, on point, He was very accurate.
You know, the interception was such a fluke, weird play
off of a boot. I mean, there's a lot of
things that went wrong. You know, obviously he just needs
to throw it away at that point and he'll learn that.
You know, it's preseason, so it's a good learning lesson.
(45:36):
I'm sure Tommy Reese and Kevin Stefansk are telling him that.
But it doesn't help when your flat control bleeds up
the field. It allows the defender to undercut it. It
doesn't help that the overall like everything was kind of
collapsing all into one big team meeting. So you know,
chalk it up as a learning lesson and as a mistake.
But it wasn't just on him. You know, you just
(45:56):
ultimately are the ones that that's created on it because
you have the football, so everyone it seems to blame
you in the end, where really, if there's a little
more separation, maybe there's a window, maybe there's someone else
you can make a play on the football, or at worse,
it's it's a complete But I digress.
Speaker 4 (46:09):
I think you know, it's not so much. The intrigue
about the Browns aren't about who the quarterbacks can be
week one.
Speaker 5 (46:14):
It's who the quarterback is, you know, Week seventeen, and
is that game even a meaningful game for the Browns
with whoever is that's starting quarterback?
Speaker 3 (46:22):
For in public opinion, Dylan Gabriel cannot outplay the entertainment
factor that Shador Sanders brings to the table.
Speaker 2 (46:31):
Were you watching the game on NFL Network when they
showed it on Saturday, Like the second Dylan Gabriel through
that pick one of the first camera shots they went.
Speaker 4 (46:40):
They can't.
Speaker 3 (46:41):
I cannot out and I'll take it a step further.
I'll take it a step further. I'll take it a
step further. Joe Flatco will not be able to outplay
the entertainment factor that Shador Sanders brings to the table.
Speaker 4 (46:58):
So here's the thing.
Speaker 5 (47:00):
If Shador does what we saw him do in the
first preseason, and if he plays that way, because it
wasn't that long ago that the Browns drafted Johnny Manziel
and people were saying the exact same thing you're saying
right now. And the problem is when the play doesn't
come with it, then it's like, okay, now it's just
a circus. So that's the problem is, you know, it
(47:20):
looks all good when you walk out in a fight
and you got the whole crew and the whole parade
coming out with you. But that's when you win. When
you don't win, then it's like it turns against you.
So again, all that stuff right now doesn't matter. It
only was gonna matter if he doesn't play well, which
again I think he's fully capable. I mean, we're talking
(47:41):
about a coach he's won multiple Coach of the Year awards,
who knows how to put his quarterbacks in.
Speaker 4 (47:45):
A position to succeed. And this is a talented roster
around them.
Speaker 5 (47:49):
I mean, Thrash looks great, Kate Davis said a phenomenal
training camp preseason so far, like they've got young kats,
a wide receiver who stepped up, who have looked the part.
Speaker 4 (47:57):
So it's gonna be really interesting.
Speaker 5 (47:59):
I just I think that it sounds all all good,
But it's not that long ago that we kind of
saw the entertainment value of Johnny Manziel and the clamoring
for Johnny Manziel and then that quickly faded by the wayside.
Speaker 3 (48:11):
I'm going to totally take a different take on that
because I believe Shador Sanders, being drafted where he was drafted,
was turned into a sympathetic figure, not even just in
Cleveland in general to sports fans and onlookers, and I
(48:32):
believe looking at what chador situation is, it will be
a hard pressed situation for him to even play poorly
and possibly be held accountable for his play. I think
he will always because he has so much built up
(48:53):
in terms of what his family name, what his dad
has represented, what his dad has gone through, what people
have related Shador Sanders too, and being connected to his dad.
I think the storyline, if anything, Young Bucky has done
such an excellent job of building out the identity of
(49:17):
Shador Sanders, and his dad has has mastermind and built
out such a strong identity for Shador Sanders. It doesn't
even come close to Johnny Manziel. Doesn't even come close.
Because Johnny Manziel, while he was like the People's champion,
(49:38):
he did it the way he wanted to do it
and the money and this, that and the other, his
controversial type of ways and the way. People were very
split and divided in terms of how they felt about
Johnny Manziel. While people may hate on Shador, I think
there he has grabbed a very captive audience in a
(49:59):
very very specific demo that they're not going to go
for Shador.
Speaker 4 (50:05):
What demo is? You know what it is? Well, here's
here's the one thing I got SAand rebuttal to that
is yeah, I know, I know.
Speaker 5 (50:12):
As soon as I saw him they're showing him walking
out for that first preseason game, I had people text
me to go, here we go again, like for everything
you just said and how sympathetic with the draft and
all that stuff. As soon as it was like the
kind of circus coming into the game, there are people
who already started to get a side eye to it.
Speaker 4 (50:31):
We're like, you already lost them. Like if there was sympathetic,
they're rooting form fifth round pick all stuff.
Speaker 5 (50:37):
There are people who are like, all right, right back
to kind of the whole circus and everything else off
the show.
Speaker 4 (50:42):
So again, none of it matters. None of it matters.
Speaker 5 (50:44):
If he plays well, they win. That's that's that's all
that matters, right at the end of the day. That's
all that I don't know that he's going to play.
Speaker 3 (50:52):
I think that the way it plays out, his public
opinion will be all over whoever's playing. It'll be all
over their neck, which plays in his favor because he's
not going to be in a situation where he's lowering
his value that way.
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I’m Jay Shetty host of On Purpose the worlds #1 Mental Health podcast and I’m so grateful you found us. I started this podcast 5 years ago to invite you into conversations and workshops that are designed to help make you happier, healthier and more healed. I believe that when you (yes you) feel seen, heard and understood you’re able to deal with relationship struggles, work challenges and life’s ups and downs with more ease and grace. I interview experts, celebrities, thought leaders and athletes so that we can grow our mindset, build better habits and uncover a side of them we’ve never seen before. New episodes every Monday and Friday. Your support means the world to me and I don’t take it for granted — click the follow button and leave a review to help us spread the love with On Purpose. I can’t wait for you to listen to your first or 500th episode!