September 1, 2025 • 39 mins
Today on this Labor Day edition of 2 Pros and a Cup of Joe, Brian Noe & Geoff Schwartz dive into some of the major winners and losers from Week 1 of the College Football season, how disappointing Alabama and Texas look, Arch Manning’s expectations & MORE!
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
It is the best of two pros and a couple
Joe with Lamar Aarings rating Win and Jonas Knox on
Fox Furs Radio.
Speaker 2 (00:14):
Oh what is going on? Happy Monday to you, Happy
Labor Day to you? Is the Schwart.
Speaker 3 (00:21):
Syndicate and Brian Noer with you here on a Monday morning. Here,
I'm licking my wounds, Jeff. Normally I'm energetic, ball is back,
Let's go. I'm just I'm down to the dumps. My Irish.
They toyed with my emotions last night. They have this
dramatic comeback. They tie up the score only to allow
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a go ahead field goal, and the offensive line forgot
how to block the final drive and it did not
work out well whatsoever. But hey, your ducks one, that's good.
They kicked around to nobody, but that's good. They're want
to know, not the case from my Irish.
Speaker 2 (00:57):
So yeah, here we are.
Speaker 4 (00:58):
Ducks are one to Oh and I have a cheese
grater heard my mom listening yesterday. Anyways, Brian, and I
will say that I appreciate mocking of the cheese grater.
My ducks did win. Good morning. I missed you yesterday
for accounting to kickoff I'm excited that football is back.
I had your quarterback underpassing last night, and that last
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sixty five yard pass was good for you, oh man,
bad for me. I thought I was on the right
so I was pretty much on the right side of
me blown coverage at the end there. It got over
pretty easily there at the end. But look, man, it
has been a great weekend of college football, Brian. And
I'll tell you the theme for me is, I think
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we have to take a collective deep breath when it
comes to discussion of young quarterbacks, buddy, because we get
so overhyped these quarterbacks, and it is hard to play
college football as a young football player. It is becoming
more I think it's being more and more evident now
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as more young guys play, because forever like young guys,
just look, I'm not I'm not that at all. I'm
that turned forty next year. I'm thirty nine. Okay. When
I got to Oregon in two thousand and four, Brian,
all Right, I was the third true freshman offensive linement
to play a snap in the program history in two
thousand and four. Third ever played eighty snaps that year.
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That's it. I didn't even play that much, all right, Oregon.
I did go to Oregon against Montana State. Oregon played,
I think in totality even like the thirst Ring got it.
They played I think at least thirteen true freshmen in
game one. Wow, Like these teams are playing young, guy,
it's not just you look around the you know CJ.
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Carr in Notre Dame, right, just a quarterback position, right, Yeah,
Julian Stane for Ohio State is young. Bryce Underwood is young.
Dante Moore even for Organ is Like, these guys are young,
even tumanding. He's not played a lot of football, right,
He's he's not young per se, but it's not played
a lot of football. And around the country, we just
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had a lot of guys that had not played a
lot of ball playing for a lot of these teams
and even just experienced on the offensive lines for some teams, right,
Texas and Ohio State included. And we're just seeing and
I don't know what the reason is, but maybe it'
because they're all young together instead of just playing Jeff
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Schwartz play one offensive lineman every fifteen years or you know,
like with a bunch of older guys around him. And
I think we're just seeing which just saw this week
to my eye and I you know I'm still catch
up on games. Is when you go to a game,
I went to Oregon Montana State game, you miss a
whole day of games, right, you can't. You know, I
watched Texas Ohio State, but you know Alabama and and
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and whatnot. You know even Alabama, like you started guying
Ty Simpson has not played any football whatsoever. Hasn't played football.
And then you have a team like last year, right,
Ohio State was super old, right championship Michigan to US
a super old championship, all those Georgia teams as older. Man,
I just keep I'm like hard at this idea. Now
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after I watching this weekend, Brian of like veteran teams. Man,
it just matters so much in a lot of these
big games to have guys that have done it before.
And I think I don't think we talk about that
enough there insist is obviously where it's not true or
Trevor Lawrence with the championship is a true freshman. Sure right,
he's a special player in college football. But man, Brian,
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experience seemed to matter a whole heck of a lot
this weekend.
Speaker 2 (04:34):
It definitely matters.
Speaker 3 (04:35):
I think that it's it's gone so far now where
the first part of this is, you know, I'm with you.
Where the young quarterbacks, you got to give it a
little bit of time. There's just instant analysis, like you
can just microwave your you know, franchise quarterback in college
football out of the gate, you know what I mean.
It's like a TV dinner. You put it in the
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microwave and boom, here you go. You get, like, you know,
year three results. As you know, a freshman or a
first year starter, it's like it might not happen, especially
depending on the opponent you face.
Speaker 2 (05:08):
You know, and arch Manning you mentioned him.
Speaker 3 (05:09):
He's not facing Joe Blow you know FCS cakewalk opponent here.
You know, it's it's the Ohio State defending champions on
the road. That's not the easiest assignment. So I'm saying
you got to be fair with your critique right for
these young guys, and a lot of times it's blown
out of proportion. The other part of this is this
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is gonna sound like I'm disagreeing.
Speaker 2 (05:32):
I'm really not.
Speaker 3 (05:33):
I think it's gone so far where you look at
the experienced guys versus the first year starters, and generally speaking,
the experienced guys, they have a leg up, right, They've
they've learned along the way, they have a bunch of
starts under their belt. Carson Beck, he started a bunch
of games at Georgia, right, So that was an advantage
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last night against CJ.
Speaker 2 (05:55):
Carr, who was starting his first college game.
Speaker 3 (05:57):
But I think it's gotten to a point where we're like, oh,
you've got an experienced guy. Oh, You're like yeah, if
we're running the one hundred meters dash, you're like, you know,
you're running like seventy meters. Man, You've got such a
huge head start. And that isn't always the case. You know,
if you think back to last year.
Speaker 4 (06:16):
Just say Clemson by their name, Just be like Clemson,
just calm out, Just calm out, Brian, just just call
clems in by name, just say it, because like a
lot of us, like Jeff Schwartz included. Isn't it funny
how after one week you're like, you have these seven
things you said in the preseason all the time, like
half are just so terribly wrong possibly and half are
like I got some things really right in Week one
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and something's really wrong.
Speaker 3 (06:39):
And no one cares about the right stuff, right, yeah,
Like like I.
Speaker 4 (06:42):
Was kind of alone, Like Utah is gonna be really
freaking good this season. Island like in the Big twelve,
and they looked really good at week one, but they're
like you said, Cow is gonna stake week one? All right?
I got I. I had a receiver I get out
Gambley picks on social media. Shocking, right, you've done it
for five six seasons now, and I want to And two,
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I mean it happens a week on I started slow
wide receiver called me.
Speaker 3 (07:08):
Out, Oh wow, really yeah, you got a receiver keeping
receipts on these.
Speaker 4 (07:12):
Yeah, receipt I'm like, I'm like okay, like yeah, I'm
that was a Clemson you just called by name, say Clemson.
Speaker 3 (07:19):
Well, yeah, I would just throw out a couple from
last year, Like Drew Allers started a ton of games
at Penn State and he threw like a season ending
interception against Notre Dame in the College Football Playoff, horrible
decision in the final minute. Quinn you Were started a
ton of games at Texas and he had a big,
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you know, fumble that was scooped up for a touchdown
against Ohio State when Texas was on the doorstep of
tying that game up. So that's that's all I'm saying
is sometimes we think like, oh, you've got experience, you've
got an experienced quarterback, check that box, You've got a
clear advantage.
Speaker 2 (07:58):
That's not always the case. That's the only thing.
Speaker 4 (08:00):
That I Yeah, it's interesting dynamic because you know, you
obviously want to I think defer to the older players
at times, and I always the thing I always go
go with is like, if you're an older player and
your team older players, I want to know the why, right,
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Like why are you there? So there's sort of two buckets, primarily, right, Brian,
there's the bucket of like, I'm just older and not
really NFL talented, but I'm getting good on it, an
il deal, I want to stay in school because why
would I go to the NFL. I might make less
of the NFL or I might not make a roster.
And then there's the I came back for a championship guy,
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which we've seen happened in Ohio State last year, happened
at Washington two years ago, and I'm staying back to
win a championship guy. Those are different older players than
just returning production to return if that makes sense. Yeah, yeah,
I think it's the third buckets. Sometimes it's just like
you know they're a true junior or within their third
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year and you know it's fourth year red shirt junior,
haven't played very much. You just want to want to
get one more year of experience before going to the NFL.
And so so we talk about veterans in the sport.
You're right, it's not it's not just to me, it's
you have a differentiate between are the veterans again, are
they there because they're really pro guys that are back
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for one more hurrah? Are they just there because they're
just there? Because I think sometimes the young guys got
you know, a little juice, right, like they got the
little something different. And then of course there's guys like obviously,
you know, Jeremiah Smith in Ohio State. No matter what
they are, they're gonna be freak shows. And I think
too because of some of the youth in the sport.
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You know, your Irish men are gonna look so different
I think week six than they did last night, hopefully, right,
you hope that offensively obviously with Carr and he settled
down a little bit last night, and you know, some
of the offensive line stuff. You know, you just are
better by the end of the season than you are
start the season. So it was to me just just
a great week in a ball man.
Speaker 2 (10:09):
Yeah, it was really good.
Speaker 4 (10:10):
Yeah, And I don't I think is the best team
in country. Who's the best team in the country after
week one? I mean we're gonna have We're gonna have
rankings come out, right.
Speaker 3 (10:18):
Yeah, it's probably gonna be Ohio State. But their offense,
their offense needs a lot of work, man.
Speaker 4 (10:23):
Yeah, Because here's the thing is, so I picked Texas
to win that game, and I don't know who you
picked to win.
Speaker 2 (10:28):
I picked Texas.
Speaker 3 (10:29):
Also, I feel like, tell me because that was like
the biggest public of the week.
Speaker 4 (10:34):
Well, so all five the most most publicized for bet
MGM lost, which didn't cover. I don't know if they
all lost, but they just didn't cover. I think they
all lost. Actually, I don't.
Speaker 2 (10:44):
I think Indiana.
Speaker 4 (10:46):
Idea, Indiana covered, You're right, yeah, barely. Actually think Indiana.
I'm already like in week two, buddy, I'm like, who
am I looking at Indiana to be? I didn't have
a bounce back week, get some some schmo tea. I
might lay like thirty five for Indiana, who knows. So,
you know, all the public sides lost, which by the way,
is a big departure from last year, right, where like
the public sides were just We're just dominating NonStop. It's interesting,
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interesting to see like that just that just didn't happen.
So Texas man like again, I kind of looked at
Ohio State. I thought, I thought, offensively, that's what we
get from Ohio State. You think, like again, Julian Sam
making this first start, right, they have four new offensive linemen,
tune and running back to new wide receivers like tight
ends are good, but sort of in different spots this year, right,
some of their Titans left as well, and the first
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time offensive coordinator Brian Harline it's first time calling plays.
Now Ryan Day is obviously gonna help. Texas defense is
really good. I thought, that's what we get from Ohio State.
I thought, we get more from Texas. And I know
people have varying degrees on what that what that more
should have been from Arch Arch was the Heisman favorite. Wow, Yeah,
it's like is kind of nuts. And Kate Klubnick was
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like second in line for Heisman and that didn't go
very well. So a really really interesting wee could have ball.
We say, well game tonight by the way that oh yeah,
one more tonight. So I don't but what your big
takeaway was ready of the games, But that's sort of mine.
So I think that it's just hard to play when
you're young man, and I don't think we take any
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consideration enough we talk about college football.
Speaker 3 (12:16):
Yeah, no, it makes sense, and the buckets that you're
talking about. Sometimes you see the hybrid guy. You know,
there's a guy that wants to come back for a
championship and it's tied to the fact that he's a
projected third or fourth round pick, you know, so you
get that experienced guy coming back to Sometimes I just
say this, and you tell me if I'm going way
too light here, because you know me, I'll go after
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you if that's what I think is the case. You know,
I'll be critical of a team or a certain player
if they stink it up. But with Notre Dame. Listen,
I'm from South Bend. I'm a die hard Notre Dame fan,
and I don't think I'm being too soft here because
it's something that you said in Week six. I think
Notre Dame is gonna look a lot different than they
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did last night, and I'd rather have both. I'd rather
have CJ. Carr look pretty good and Notre Dame win.
But if it's one or the other, I would rather
that CEJ.
Speaker 2 (13:09):
Carr.
Speaker 3 (13:10):
It looks like Notre Dame probably has a quarterback for
a handful of years now in CJ.
Speaker 2 (13:15):
Carr.
Speaker 3 (13:16):
If it's one of the two and I have to choose,
I would choose CJ. Car looks pretty good. They look
to have a quarterback versus I want to win the game.
No matter what, I'll put it this way, it'd be
pretty hollow and I'd feel like, oh gosh, Notre Dame one.
But man, they got a disaster at quarterback right now.
So he looked pretty good in the second half. They
finally took the handcuffs off of him. They're so conservative
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early on. But if they didn't win, he looks like
he's at least a legitimate starter.
Speaker 4 (13:44):
So here's why you think that, and I think that's
the right way to look at it. College ball playoff
has forced us to think about college football differently. If
you have a team that's good enough to be.
Speaker 2 (13:56):
The playoff completely.
Speaker 4 (13:57):
Yeah, you know it used to be obviously, like you
know that lost last night, it would have been like
end of.
Speaker 2 (14:01):
The season, no doubt.
Speaker 4 (14:03):
Yeah, okay, especially with with with your with your with
your schedule the season, just that you're not at a
conference right like sometimes you know when that that you
the confien championship game to get into the postseason. Correct,
we saw that last year with ACC and the Big Twelve,
like you know, to win that game to get in
their name. Obviously not in that situation for for that
to happen, and so it allows a little bit of
great for these early games. Also things allows the schedule
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to schedule these early games because you know your loss
is not an inter season, so so you know you
look at in in a big picture. Now. Its same
with Orgon where like I I don't look at like
the end result of the score. I know we played
Montana State. I look at the process of how we
won the game or played during the game because I'm like, okay,
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well what do we have to do to get ready
for Penn State in five weeks? Like I was talking
to someone on the sideline before the game about months,
like what do you expect today, go, we have four
weeks to get ready to pay Penning states. That's all
I care about, like because like that, that's that's like
the sport now, right, Look, it's a very NFL mindset. Yeah,
NFL starts this week. We have our favorite teams. I'm
a Chiefs fan, you're a Dolphins fan. You know, you
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look at this season as in the NFL like losses suck.
You don't want your team to lose. But it's like
if you're root for a good team, it's like, okay,
well how does this affect our posts and chances? Yeah,
And that's a cultural ball to me, is turned into
at the top, where for you instead of dwelling on
the loss, which stings off? So do you want to win?
It stings to lose, especially the way you lost. You're like, oh, okay,
Car's got a chance now, you know, only we get
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we get him better this year, and then we have
you know, get him the right place by week six,
and then by week ten, and then by week twelve
and then week fourteen and the time we play us,
he's not late. Stanford game is the latest, right, the
late one this year? I think you go to stan
for late. Right, you know, by the time we play Stanford, Like, okay,
like we you know, is he playing the way he
needs to play? That's very different now because of the playoff.
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I think it's actually one positive of the playoff, Brian,
is you get to think like a pro sports.
Speaker 3 (15:54):
Fan, no doubt. Yeah, it's funny excited flashback too. It
is an old Notre Damechigan game, like the first game
of the year, and Notre Dame pulled it out at
the very end, and for some reason, I remember them
showing on TV and Usher, right, the Usher was on
the field and he kind of just like collapsed into the.
Speaker 2 (16:13):
Wall, you know what I mean.
Speaker 3 (16:14):
He's just holding his head like, oh my gosh, the
season's over before it even began.
Speaker 2 (16:20):
And that's the way it used to be.
Speaker 3 (16:21):
Yeah, and now that you have twelve teams in the playoff,
it is it's completely different. So, yeah, the loss is
sock man, but you got to look more of the
big picture instead of just to hear. And now that's
exactly what it is.
Speaker 4 (16:32):
And last night, Brian was I, for the first time
ever in my life, I have played an official contest
in Las Vegas.
Speaker 2 (16:40):
Oh okay, you're on the college football team.
Speaker 4 (16:42):
College football? What and I went four and three my
first week of my first contest week. Yeah, so I'll
take I'll take the whitting record. Miami was my last leg. Sorry,
Brian oh Man, and uh I I'm proud of myself
four and three first week, Like I am notoriously a
slow starter college football, and I will it's college football,
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man or the season. I think it's so difficult. You
just don't know about these teams, dude, you yeah, no
idea and contests.
Speaker 3 (17:09):
Man, it's hard because you're like four and three not bad,
and then you look at the standards how many people
went seven, and oh my gosh, it wasn't so bad.
Speaker 4 (17:17):
But you have to finish. Like I thought about this,
like if I went four and three every week, you'd
be like ecstatic. Right in the season, you'd be what
you'd be twelve thirteen over five hundred, right, like that
would be an incredible record. You wouldn't be close to.
Speaker 2 (17:31):
Winning, not even close.
Speaker 3 (17:33):
Yeah, exactly pretty much what it is.
Speaker 4 (17:37):
If I told you I was thirteen over five hundred
for an entire season, you'd be like, Schwartz, that is
a great job.
Speaker 3 (17:41):
Yeah, And then you'd be looking up at like the
top twenty five to fifty dudes who finished ahead.
Speaker 2 (17:48):
You know what I mean. It's crazy, but.
Speaker 1 (17:50):
How they do it?
Speaker 4 (17:50):
I did it though, five hundred dollar entry, very nice,
and I know Crack entered a few of those as well.
Do you enter any did you contest?
Speaker 3 (17:59):
I'll I'll do contest from time to time, but I
didn't do anything like that.
Speaker 2 (18:02):
Where you guys are in this.
Speaker 4 (18:04):
Year, my first year, I'm I'm I'm very excited. So, uh,
you know, great, great to start the weekend. Welcome with Eugene.
Got a cheese grater, got it, my daughter got a
giant hat, and we are off. We're off and rolling.
Speaker 2 (18:17):
Brian, very nice, very good.
Speaker 3 (18:18):
All right, coming up next on Two Pros and a
Cup of Joe. He's Jeff Schwartz. I'm Brian. No, We're
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of the big disappointments this weekend. Right there are a
lot of candidates. Who is the primo biggest dud of
the week. We'll compare notes. Keep it locked right here,
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Speaker 3 (19:27):
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Speaker 2 (20:08):
Okay, Jeff, So we go to the.
Speaker 3 (20:10):
NFL over here, all right, and you know, when you're driving,
and I don't know if it says this anymore, but
on your side mirror, it would always say objects in
your mirror are closer than they appear, right, And it
makes sense because you look at your side mirror and
it looks like the car behind you is you know,
you got some distance, and then you remember, wait a minute,
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he's like on my bumper. He's right freaking there. So
objects are a lot closer than they appear. I think
that's true for a couple of teams. We just had
this Micah Parsons trade Cowboys Packers, right, he goes from
the Cowboys to the Packers. If you start looking at
these teams, Jeff, I just think that it's fashionable to
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clown the Cowboys because they haven't been to the NFC
title game in forever. Right, it's been thirty years since
they've been there, and the Packers they've had more success.
They're not clowned nearly as much as the Cowboys are, right,
and some of it is with good reason. But I
was just looking at it last night, and it was
interesting how it played out. Where I was looking at
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the last four years Packers versus the Cowboys, because that's
how long Michael Parsons has been in the league. Right,
He's been there for the last four years. And if
you look at the Packers compared to the Cowboys, the
Cowboys have won more games over the last four years.
Speaker 4 (21:28):
Right.
Speaker 3 (21:28):
We forget Cowboys twelve and five for three straight seasons,
and then they were seven and ten last season.
Speaker 2 (21:34):
Dak Prescott only started eight games.
Speaker 3 (21:38):
If you look at the Packers these last four years,
starting in twenty twenty one, thirteen and four, eight and nine,
that was Rogers last season sub five hundred team didn't
make the playoffs, then nine and eight, then eleven and
six last season, the Cowboys actually have won two more
games than the Packers over the last four years. It's
kind of interesting right, same playoff records. Both are one
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and three over the last four years, and they both
have one season where they missed the playoffs. Very comparable numbers,
like team wise in terms of regular season wins, what
they've done in the postseason. What's the point of all
of this? What I'm thinking here, Jeff, you tell me
if you're on board or not. I would push back
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on the idea that Michah Parsons is like the missing
link to winning it all for Green Bay. He's a
star pass rusher, He's an awesome player. Not taking anything
away from him, But do you think that the Cowboys
and the Packers are way different over the last four years?
Speaker 2 (22:40):
I don't.
Speaker 3 (22:41):
They might be different this season, But over the last
four years, Michaeh Parsons was on the Cowboys and they've
done nothing in the postseason. Why would I think him
going to the Packers is then all of a sudden
poof like look out, super Bowl champs, here we come.
Speaker 2 (22:55):
I don't believe that. I think they're very comparable.
Speaker 3 (22:57):
I think Dak and Jordan Love are comp I think
that their lack of postings and success has been comparable.
The teams are losing to is similar to you look
at the Cowboys. They lost to the Niners twice. Guess
who lost to the Niners twice? Also the Packers. So
I just don't think when you look at those two teams,
they're a lot closer than many people think they are.
Speaker 4 (23:20):
They have been, Brian, but I think they're going in
different directions right now.
Speaker 2 (23:25):
That's fair.
Speaker 4 (23:26):
That part is fair, like so is parts is the
missing piece per se? No, I don't know if that's
the right way to put it, Brian, but there's no
doubt the impact he has in the games he has played,
right sure, the Cowboys. I go back to this. So
there's a couple analytics that we use to define essentially,
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just the way I explain it is it defines efficiency. Right.
You know there's passing yards and rushing yards, but you
know some of those numbers can be skewed dependent situation
and essentially like your garbage time versus you know things
like that, right, Like it's you know, passing the yards,
Like what is that? Right? If you're down a bunch
and you throw the ball late and you get a
bunch of passes, that does that mean the defense played poorly?
Speaker 1 (24:10):
No?
Speaker 4 (24:11):
Just that's situationd Right, So I like analytics, right, I
like a fifty number, so right, expected points at it.
It's called EPA. Right, there's basically two of them that
are they're universal EPA and DVOA. And they said they're
basically the same thing, but they're way different ways to
calculate it. Parsons on the field for the Cowboys when
he is on the field in his career, the Cowboys
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defense is number one in EPA. Okay, they're thirty one. Wow,
in the thousand snaps he's off the field. Okay, So
like that just shows you the impact he has on
the team. Okay. And to me, football, dude, is it's
not outside a quarterback. It's really not. There's not a
single reason why a team wins or loses, okay. And
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to act like the Cowboys and Cowboys fans, that's coping mechanism. Well,
he wasn't good at the playoffs, the four playoff games. Yeah, okay,
I don't know what you want from me to say.
What do you want me to say, He's played four
playoff games. He wasn't great. I don't give me the situation,
give me the reason why. Okay, he didn't play as
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well as your whole team didn't play as well. So
does the micro partners thing. And and so I don't
know if he's the missing link for the Packers, but
his ability to make them just that much better. Remember
last year, Brian, they lost games to only playoff teams
by a handful of points. Like they're they're they're knocking
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on the door, They're right there. Now Jordan Love had
to just be better overall. And maybe you think to yourself, well,
he was beat up last year. He was really never healthy.
After he came back, maybe a full healthy year. We
get different parts. It's certainly fair to to to believe
all those things, right, And so I don't know, Brian,
if the right way to put is he's the missing
piece and now they're winning a super Bowl, but his
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ability to effect that the game defensively makes him a
very valuable piece to any team. The Packers had had
a cap space, correct, they had the draft picks. They're
they're close to be much better this season. They were,
you know, they're super young. Experience matters in the NFL, right,
getting a little older, more experienced. So I loved it
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for the Packers. The Cowboys to me, went about This
is just the complete wrong way. You just cannot People
say hershel Walker trade. It's not it's not. Parsons is
young and he has a lot of really really good
football left in him. And I think it's really foolish
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to think of this as the part as the herschel Walker.
You didn't get as much back. You've got two draft
picks in a defensive tackle. The herschel Walker trade, you
you end to put seven. It's what I'm watching the
Cowboys doc right now, Brian, And it's.
Speaker 2 (26:56):
Great, by the way, if you want to really good.
Speaker 4 (26:57):
Yeah, good doc. Well, it's fascinating about it. The herschel Walk.
I didn't realized this. I didn't. I didn't know this
is that they actually did not get as many draft picks. Originally.
They actually had to they had to cut the players
right that were drafted that they were sent over in
the trade to get the draft picks. And the Vikings
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did not think they would do that.
Speaker 3 (27:20):
It's like, it's so it's so different compared to now.
Speaker 4 (27:25):
Yeah, we think about that, you'd be like, wait, what
you thought they just keep the old guys? Yeah, not
all the draft picks.
Speaker 3 (27:31):
Again, know, they got they got all the conditional draft
picks attached to those guys.
Speaker 4 (27:36):
Yeah, so you would be like, of course the draft picks.
Now it's not the same train, not the same.
Speaker 2 (27:42):
Train without the conditional draft picks.
Speaker 3 (27:45):
They still got three first rounders, three second rounders, a third,
a sixth. That's beyond the condition conditional draft picks. It
was the hall of halls, you know what I mean.
It was a mega hall in return for her Walker
and that's not what they got for Michael Parson. That's
my thing is listen, I know you're down on CLV,
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you know, closing line value because sometimes you get the
best of a betting number and it still doesn't work
out for you, But over time you're better off getting
you know, you know that right, you'd rather have, you know,
minus three compared to minus five and a half. Right,
over time, it's going to play to your benefit. It does,
it does, it absolutely does. I know you have for
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some reason, it doesn't work out for you a handful
of times, but it definitely does. It works out over
the over the long haul. It's the same concept with players.
You want to maximize value, right, put CLV to the side.
You want to maximize value with whatever, whichever player that
you happen to have. The Cowboys didn't do that with
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Micah Parsons. Why aren't they dealing him in March?
Speaker 2 (28:56):
Right?
Speaker 3 (28:56):
Like you got all these teams that are in audio,
you get to have this, you know, this bonanza where
the price tag is just going up and up and
up because there's an arms race to try to get
Micah Parson.
Speaker 2 (29:07):
They didn't do that.
Speaker 3 (29:08):
They traded him to a team in their own conference.
It's such a ridiculous way they went about it, where
they didn't maximize the value of this star asset that
they had.
Speaker 2 (29:19):
It just it was bad. It was clumsy.
Speaker 3 (29:21):
It's similar to what the Dallas Mavericks did with Luca.
I mean you can look at that and say, hey,
Anthony Davis can play fine.
Speaker 2 (29:28):
People look at this so wrong.
Speaker 3 (29:30):
Where they didn't maximize his value and open it up
to the entire league and just get the.
Speaker 2 (29:37):
Price tag driven up. They didn't do that.
Speaker 3 (29:39):
They didn't maximize his value either. So both Dallas teams
screwed this up.
Speaker 4 (29:45):
To me, Brian, the way they did it was was
pretty stuff. I mean, I mean Jerry Jones was a
kind of a scumbag. And this whole process, right, where like.
So he kept saying that they had a handshake deal done.
So Michael Parsons and and Jerry Jones went went, They
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had a meeting in where Parsons want his leadership, which
which I actually I want to get to in a second.
You know, people are upset, teammates are upset about this
podcast he has, right and how much of a leader
he is, and and and uh and he went to
he went to this meeting and came out of it.
I guess him and Jerry talk contract. Okay, I'm not surprising, right,
And they talk contract and they shook the hand. They
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shook hands after the meeting was over, like any meeting, right,
You're like, see you later, buddy. Jerry Jones took that
as a as a sign of a deal, and Michael
Parsons said, no, let me talk to my agent, and
Jerry refused, refuse, refused talk to his agent. I did
a handshake deal, and I saw some tweet like this
he bought the Cowboys in a handshake deal. So therefore
this is the way. This way, he assumes that operations
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are run. But Jerry, there has to be a mutual
under staying that a deal is done Brian, if you
tell me, I'll tell you something for this amount, like
a great deal, buddy, like done like that, that's an
acknowledgement that I have a deal with you. H But
if all say out, hey, man, i'll see I'll talk
to my agent. Good meeting, Like good meeting is not
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the deal's done. There has to be mutual agreement that
a deal is done. To have a handshake deal. By
the way, I shook someone's hand for a deal to
buy a team, and then I filled out one hundred
pages of paperwork. It's like, yeah, you shook the hand
and then you did all the paperwork right, Like you
just like to shake the hand of the hand. You
the keys, here's the king of facility. It's yours, buddy. No,
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like there's of course there's another whole thirty days with lawyers, right,
Like to pretend to Jerry Jones just just shook someone's hand.
It was handed he's the cowboys. Is not the way
life works, right, And so I to pretend that he
could just say, Parsons, we have a deal. We talked,
no representation was there. You have a highly o painage
is very good. And his refusal to talk to the
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agent like the process by which this was done by
the Cowboys is really really silly to me, and the
Cowboy deserve and Jerry Jones deserves all the bad things
that they're gonna happen this season. There. I'll tell you what, man,
I've I've been in the situation in the NFL where
a team I was on very clearly was not trying
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to win at the top. And that was the twenty
ten Panthers, right we were that year. We were two
and fourteen. Okay, I'm watchurely. The Cowboys are two and
fourteen this year, Brian, but it seems very clear they're
not trying to be their best and you can feel that,
and it was really demoralizing. And we played our hardest
every week. I want the Cabs aren't gonna play hard,
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but we were bad at quarterbacks. A little different situation,
but I think Cowboys are in a world of hurt. Man.
This is so demoralized for their whole team. Their best player,
who again is very valuable to winning and losing for
them in totally right, maybe not again on the playoffs,
but just like he's an impactful player, is not there. Man.
I The Cowboys I think are in for a war
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to hurt this year. It feels like they're in a
bad spot to put the to make this move they did.
I'm concerned about their success the seasons.
Speaker 3 (33:04):
Yeah, you know, I don't think that they're you know,
gonna have great success or anything like that.
Speaker 2 (33:09):
But their season win total is seven and a half.
Speaker 4 (33:12):
I liked it. I did like they're over, But I'm
right now.
Speaker 3 (33:15):
I like the over still even without Micah there, because
I still go back to compare it with the Packers, right.
I know, Jordan Love missed two games last year. There's
only two games with Malik Willis in there. Compared to
you had Dak start eight, he missed nine games. He
missed nine plus games. It's hard to win games in
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the NFL when your starter is out for that long.
He's over out for over half the season. So if
he's blessed with better health than if Dak's starting seventeen games,
I love their chances to at least get to eight wins.
But to your point, like you know, I don't have
them making huge noise in the playoffs.
Speaker 2 (33:54):
Should they even get there.
Speaker 4 (33:55):
I don't know, man, I.
Speaker 3 (33:58):
Just I wonder for a little too high on the
Packers that I just look at the Super Bowl odds.
The odds are, okay, you have three teams at seven
to one, that's the Ravens, Bills, and Eagles.
Speaker 2 (34:08):
This is on bet MGM.
Speaker 3 (34:10):
You have the Chiefs at eight to one, and then
it's the Lions and the Packers are tied at twelve
to one. So basically, the Packers have the fifth best odds.
They're tied for the fifth best odds to win the
Super Bowl? Are you betting the Packers.
Speaker 4 (34:23):
Was before that? What was? What were they before the
Partians deal? I guess the question.
Speaker 3 (34:27):
They're probably I don't. I don't know exactly, but they weren't.
They didn't just skyrocket up just because of this trade.
Speaker 2 (34:34):
There were somewhere in that.
Speaker 4 (34:35):
So I actually I like them too. I like them
to win the Division before before this, and I think
the reason why is it's more just a little bit
of a of a down on the Lions and not
sure where I'm getting from Caleb Williams and McCarthy like
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I feel. I think, I'm sure you feel the same way.
Like I know what I'm getting from the Packers season.
I feel like I do. They're pretty much a very
steady team and we know we're getting from them. It
might not be a super Bowl, but I feel very
comfortable about what I'm getting every week in the Packers.
The Vikings, McCarthy might be the best quarterback ever. I
just don't know. We haven't seen it, right, and we
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all agree on that. We don't know. The Bears, I
think there's some some just they know they're going to
be good. Eventually. We're killing ones, but maybe not now.
There's a lot of moving parts, right, It's a new
coach and whatnot. And the Lions. The Lions have two
new coordinators. They've already had injuries on the defense side
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of the ball, which stinks, okay, And they're scheduled this
year for schedule matters a lot. They're non division road
games this season. Kansas City, Oh.
Speaker 2 (35:49):
It's ridiculous.
Speaker 4 (35:49):
Baltimore, Yeah, Cincinnati, Philadelphia, Washington, Oh. I mean like plus
the Vikings, Bears, and Packers yea.
Speaker 2 (36:00):
Their real schedule is brutal.
Speaker 4 (36:02):
So I think the Packers are very live to win
the division, Brian, and if they are, if they win
the Vision get a home playoff game, I think it's possible,
and you hope obviously that if you are ahead of
a lot of games. The difference to win those games
is Michael Parsons getting a sack or two.
Speaker 3 (36:15):
Yeah, hey, I get it, and look at might work
out that way, and you could look at this and say, well, hey,
the Cowboys had Micah Parsons those four years and he
had at least twelve sacks every single year, and they
did what they did, you know, record wise, playoff wise,
all that stuff.
Speaker 2 (36:30):
If you look at the Packers, the last.
Speaker 3 (36:32):
Time they had a guy, an individual player that had
a double digit sack season, it was Darius Smith.
Speaker 2 (36:38):
You have to go all the way back to twenty twenty,
he had twelve and a half sacks.
Speaker 3 (36:42):
So they haven't had a double digit sack guy these
last four years that Michael Parsons has been in the league.
So if he continues that production and you pencil him
in for twelve plus sacks each year, basically, yeah, that
could make a big difference. That could be something that
if he makes an impact come playoff time, it could
be something that puts them over the top. I just
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I'm just making the point that we clowned the Cowboys
all day long and they didn't do anything with Micah
Parsons playoffs not all his fault.
Speaker 2 (37:12):
So I'm just saying keep that in mind.
Speaker 3 (37:14):
If you're really thinking, oh man, Packers, baby, they were
cooking with grease over here, it's like, yeah, just pumped
the brakes just a little bit on that.
Speaker 2 (37:22):
That's all I'm saying here.
Speaker 4 (37:23):
It's surely fair to say that I do. I do
think process matters a lot for us and how things
are done, even though the end result might be the same,
and I think people like we are just laughing at
at the Cowboys process here. Again, the end result might
be said, they might both just be the same team
this year. I don't think that's trying. The Packers are
much more talented and they're better coach too, which which
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was like, I think we all agree that Matlafur is
a good coach, right, we all out there, Seanheimert, to me,
I don't I just don't buy it. But nonetheless, the
process by which they got here, to me, is is
the big story and why we're so hung up on
the Cowboy is kind of losing this Traders and they
just they just went about this in just the silliest
way possible. And when you already looked at as a
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as a franchise that is questionable with decision making and
how you're run Doing it this way makes you look
up like a buffoon even more, Yeah, and makes it
look like you don't know what you're doing. And the
last thing here too, Brian, I think is so interesting
is you know the Cowboys doc. Right, it's been It's great.
You should everyone should watch it. Do you know what
the number one thing I noticed about why they won
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a lot of games, and they had the best roster
they had obviously Troykman, right, the best running back, Emmitt Smith,
one of the best way it's of Michael Irvin, the
best offensive line, Dion Sanders, Charles Haley, had all the
best players. So for Jerry essentially to like to pretend
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like you don't need a guy like Parsons to win,
to me, is like even one of the dumber things here, right, Yeah,
you need him to win?
Speaker 2 (38:57):
You need that, Yeah, absolutely, you do. All right, he's
Jeff Schwartz. I'm Brian.
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Speaker 2 (00:14):
Oh what is going on? Happy Monday to you, Happy
Labor Day to you? Is the Schwart.
Speaker 3 (00:21):
Syndicate and Brian Noer with you here on a Monday morning. Here,
I'm licking my wounds, Jeff. Normally I'm energetic, ball is back,
Let's go. I'm just I'm down to the dumps. My Irish.
They toyed with my emotions last night. They have this
dramatic comeback. They tie up the score only to allow
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a go ahead field goal, and the offensive line forgot
how to block the final drive and it did not
work out well whatsoever. But hey, your ducks one, that's good.
They kicked around to nobody, but that's good. They're want
to know, not the case from my Irish.
Speaker 2 (00:57):
So yeah, here we are.
Speaker 4 (00:58):
Ducks are one to Oh and I have a cheese
grater heard my mom listening yesterday. Anyways, Brian, and I
will say that I appreciate mocking of the cheese grater.
My ducks did win. Good morning. I missed you yesterday
for accounting to kickoff I'm excited that football is back.
I had your quarterback underpassing last night, and that last
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sixty five yard pass was good for you, oh man,
bad for me. I thought I was on the right
so I was pretty much on the right side of
me blown coverage at the end there. It got over
pretty easily there at the end. But look, man, it
has been a great weekend of college football, Brian. And
I'll tell you the theme for me is, I think
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we have to take a collective deep breath when it
comes to discussion of young quarterbacks, buddy, because we get
so overhyped these quarterbacks, and it is hard to play
college football as a young football player. It is becoming
more I think it's being more and more evident now
(02:04):
as more young guys play, because forever like young guys,
just look, I'm not I'm not that at all. I'm
that turned forty next year. I'm thirty nine. Okay. When
I got to Oregon in two thousand and four, Brian,
all Right, I was the third true freshman offensive linement
to play a snap in the program history in two
thousand and four. Third ever played eighty snaps that year.
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That's it. I didn't even play that much, all right, Oregon.
I did go to Oregon against Montana State. Oregon played,
I think in totality even like the thirst Ring got it.
They played I think at least thirteen true freshmen in
game one. Wow, Like these teams are playing young, guy,
it's not just you look around the you know CJ.
(02:47):
Carr in Notre Dame, right, just a quarterback position, right, Yeah,
Julian Stane for Ohio State is young. Bryce Underwood is young.
Dante Moore even for Organ is Like, these guys are young,
even tumanding. He's not played a lot of football, right,
He's he's not young per se, but it's not played
a lot of football. And around the country, we just
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had a lot of guys that had not played a
lot of ball playing for a lot of these teams
and even just experienced on the offensive lines for some teams, right,
Texas and Ohio State included. And we're just seeing and
I don't know what the reason is, but maybe it'
because they're all young together instead of just playing Jeff
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Schwartz play one offensive lineman every fifteen years or you know,
like with a bunch of older guys around him. And
I think we're just seeing which just saw this week
to my eye and I you know I'm still catch
up on games. Is when you go to a game,
I went to Oregon Montana State game, you miss a
whole day of games, right, you can't. You know, I
watched Texas Ohio State, but you know Alabama and and
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and whatnot. You know even Alabama, like you started guying
Ty Simpson has not played any football whatsoever. Hasn't played football.
And then you have a team like last year, right,
Ohio State was super old, right championship Michigan to US
a super old championship, all those Georgia teams as older. Man,
I just keep I'm like hard at this idea. Now
(04:09):
after I watching this weekend, Brian of like veteran teams. Man,
it just matters so much in a lot of these
big games to have guys that have done it before.
And I think I don't think we talk about that
enough there insist is obviously where it's not true or
Trevor Lawrence with the championship is a true freshman. Sure right,
he's a special player in college football. But man, Brian,
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experience seemed to matter a whole heck of a lot
this weekend.
Speaker 2 (04:34):
It definitely matters.
Speaker 3 (04:35):
I think that it's it's gone so far now where
the first part of this is, you know, I'm with you.
Where the young quarterbacks, you got to give it a
little bit of time. There's just instant analysis, like you
can just microwave your you know, franchise quarterback in college
football out of the gate, you know what I mean.
It's like a TV dinner. You put it in the
(04:57):
microwave and boom, here you go. You get, like, you know,
year three results. As you know, a freshman or a
first year starter, it's like it might not happen, especially
depending on the opponent you face.
Speaker 2 (05:08):
You know, and arch Manning you mentioned him.
Speaker 3 (05:09):
He's not facing Joe Blow you know FCS cakewalk opponent here.
You know, it's it's the Ohio State defending champions on
the road. That's not the easiest assignment. So I'm saying
you got to be fair with your critique right for
these young guys, and a lot of times it's blown
out of proportion. The other part of this is this
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is gonna sound like I'm disagreeing.
Speaker 2 (05:32):
I'm really not.
Speaker 3 (05:33):
I think it's gone so far where you look at
the experienced guys versus the first year starters, and generally speaking,
the experienced guys, they have a leg up, right, They've
they've learned along the way, they have a bunch of
starts under their belt. Carson Beck, he started a bunch
of games at Georgia, right, So that was an advantage
(05:54):
last night against CJ.
Speaker 2 (05:55):
Carr, who was starting his first college game.
Speaker 3 (05:57):
But I think it's gotten to a point where we're like, oh,
you've got an experienced guy. Oh, You're like yeah, if
we're running the one hundred meters dash, you're like, you know,
you're running like seventy meters. Man, You've got such a
huge head start. And that isn't always the case. You know,
if you think back to last year.
Speaker 4 (06:16):
Just say Clemson by their name, Just be like Clemson,
just calm out, Just calm out, Brian, just just call
clems in by name, just say it, because like a
lot of us, like Jeff Schwartz included. Isn't it funny
how after one week you're like, you have these seven
things you said in the preseason all the time, like
half are just so terribly wrong possibly and half are
like I got some things really right in Week one
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and something's really wrong.
Speaker 3 (06:39):
And no one cares about the right stuff, right, yeah,
Like like I.
Speaker 4 (06:42):
Was kind of alone, Like Utah is gonna be really
freaking good this season. Island like in the Big twelve,
and they looked really good at week one, but they're
like you said, Cow is gonna stake week one? All right?
I got I. I had a receiver I get out
Gambley picks on social media. Shocking, right, you've done it
for five six seasons now, and I want to And two,
(07:03):
I mean it happens a week on I started slow
wide receiver called me.
Speaker 3 (07:08):
Out, Oh wow, really yeah, you got a receiver keeping
receipts on these.
Speaker 4 (07:12):
Yeah, receipt I'm like, I'm like okay, like yeah, I'm
that was a Clemson you just called by name, say Clemson.
Speaker 3 (07:19):
Well, yeah, I would just throw out a couple from
last year, Like Drew Allers started a ton of games
at Penn State and he threw like a season ending
interception against Notre Dame in the College Football Playoff, horrible
decision in the final minute. Quinn you Were started a
ton of games at Texas and he had a big,
(07:40):
you know, fumble that was scooped up for a touchdown
against Ohio State when Texas was on the doorstep of
tying that game up. So that's that's all I'm saying
is sometimes we think like, oh, you've got experience, you've
got an experienced quarterback, check that box, You've got a
clear advantage.
Speaker 2 (07:58):
That's not always the case. That's the only thing.
Speaker 4 (08:00):
That I Yeah, it's interesting dynamic because you know, you
obviously want to I think defer to the older players
at times, and I always the thing I always go
go with is like, if you're an older player and
your team older players, I want to know the why, right,
(08:23):
Like why are you there? So there's sort of two buckets, primarily, right, Brian,
there's the bucket of like, I'm just older and not
really NFL talented, but I'm getting good on it, an
il deal, I want to stay in school because why
would I go to the NFL. I might make less
of the NFL or I might not make a roster.
And then there's the I came back for a championship guy,
(08:45):
which we've seen happened in Ohio State last year, happened
at Washington two years ago, and I'm staying back to
win a championship guy. Those are different older players than
just returning production to return if that makes sense. Yeah, yeah,
I think it's the third buckets. Sometimes it's just like
you know they're a true junior or within their third
(09:05):
year and you know it's fourth year red shirt junior,
haven't played very much. You just want to want to
get one more year of experience before going to the NFL.
And so so we talk about veterans in the sport.
You're right, it's not it's not just to me, it's
you have a differentiate between are the veterans again, are
they there because they're really pro guys that are back
(09:26):
for one more hurrah? Are they just there because they're
just there? Because I think sometimes the young guys got
you know, a little juice, right, like they got the
little something different. And then of course there's guys like obviously,
you know, Jeremiah Smith in Ohio State. No matter what
they are, they're gonna be freak shows. And I think
too because of some of the youth in the sport.
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You know, your Irish men are gonna look so different
I think week six than they did last night, hopefully, right,
you hope that offensively obviously with Carr and he settled
down a little bit last night, and you know, some
of the offensive line stuff. You know, you just are
better by the end of the season than you are
start the season. So it was to me just just
a great week in a ball man.
Speaker 2 (10:09):
Yeah, it was really good.
Speaker 4 (10:10):
Yeah, And I don't I think is the best team
in country. Who's the best team in the country after
week one? I mean we're gonna have We're gonna have
rankings come out, right.
Speaker 3 (10:18):
Yeah, it's probably gonna be Ohio State. But their offense,
their offense needs a lot of work, man.
Speaker 4 (10:23):
Yeah, Because here's the thing is, so I picked Texas
to win that game, and I don't know who you
picked to win.
Speaker 2 (10:28):
I picked Texas.
Speaker 3 (10:29):
Also, I feel like, tell me because that was like
the biggest public of the week.
Speaker 4 (10:34):
Well, so all five the most most publicized for bet
MGM lost, which didn't cover. I don't know if they
all lost, but they just didn't cover. I think they
all lost. Actually, I don't.
Speaker 2 (10:44):
I think Indiana.
Speaker 4 (10:46):
Idea, Indiana covered, You're right, yeah, barely. Actually think Indiana.
I'm already like in week two, buddy, I'm like, who
am I looking at Indiana to be? I didn't have
a bounce back week, get some some schmo tea. I
might lay like thirty five for Indiana, who knows. So,
you know, all the public sides lost, which by the way,
is a big departure from last year, right, where like
the public sides were just We're just dominating NonStop. It's interesting,
(11:10):
interesting to see like that just that just didn't happen.
So Texas man like again, I kind of looked at
Ohio State. I thought, I thought, offensively, that's what we
get from Ohio State. You think, like again, Julian Sam
making this first start, right, they have four new offensive linemen,
tune and running back to new wide receivers like tight
ends are good, but sort of in different spots this year, right,
some of their Titans left as well, and the first
(11:30):
time offensive coordinator Brian Harline it's first time calling plays.
Now Ryan Day is obviously gonna help. Texas defense is
really good. I thought, that's what we get from Ohio State.
I thought, we get more from Texas. And I know
people have varying degrees on what that what that more
should have been from Arch Arch was the Heisman favorite. Wow, Yeah,
it's like is kind of nuts. And Kate Klubnick was
(11:53):
like second in line for Heisman and that didn't go
very well. So a really really interesting wee could have ball.
We say, well game tonight by the way that oh yeah,
one more tonight. So I don't but what your big
takeaway was ready of the games, But that's sort of mine.
So I think that it's just hard to play when
you're young man, and I don't think we take any
(12:14):
consideration enough we talk about college football.
Speaker 3 (12:16):
Yeah, no, it makes sense, and the buckets that you're
talking about. Sometimes you see the hybrid guy. You know,
there's a guy that wants to come back for a
championship and it's tied to the fact that he's a
projected third or fourth round pick, you know, so you
get that experienced guy coming back to Sometimes I just
say this, and you tell me if I'm going way
too light here, because you know me, I'll go after
(12:38):
you if that's what I think is the case. You know,
I'll be critical of a team or a certain player
if they stink it up. But with Notre Dame. Listen,
I'm from South Bend. I'm a die hard Notre Dame fan,
and I don't think I'm being too soft here because
it's something that you said in Week six. I think
Notre Dame is gonna look a lot different than they
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did last night, and I'd rather have both. I'd rather
have CJ. Carr look pretty good and Notre Dame win.
But if it's one or the other, I would rather
that CEJ.
Speaker 2 (13:09):
Carr.
Speaker 3 (13:10):
It looks like Notre Dame probably has a quarterback for
a handful of years now in CJ.
Speaker 2 (13:15):
Carr.
Speaker 3 (13:16):
If it's one of the two and I have to choose,
I would choose CJ. Car looks pretty good. They look
to have a quarterback versus I want to win the game.
No matter what, I'll put it this way, it'd be
pretty hollow and I'd feel like, oh gosh, Notre Dame one.
But man, they got a disaster at quarterback right now.
So he looked pretty good in the second half. They
finally took the handcuffs off of him. They're so conservative
(13:39):
early on. But if they didn't win, he looks like
he's at least a legitimate starter.
Speaker 4 (13:44):
So here's why you think that, and I think that's
the right way to look at it. College ball playoff
has forced us to think about college football differently. If
you have a team that's good enough to be.
Speaker 2 (13:56):
The playoff completely.
Speaker 4 (13:57):
Yeah, you know it used to be obviously, like you
know that lost last night, it would have been like
end of.
Speaker 2 (14:01):
The season, no doubt.
Speaker 4 (14:03):
Yeah, okay, especially with with with your with your with
your schedule the season, just that you're not at a
conference right like sometimes you know when that that you
the confien championship game to get into the postseason. Correct,
we saw that last year with ACC and the Big Twelve,
like you know, to win that game to get in
their name. Obviously not in that situation for for that
to happen, and so it allows a little bit of
great for these early games. Also things allows the schedule
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to schedule these early games because you know your loss
is not an inter season, so so you know you
look at in in a big picture. Now. Its same
with Orgon where like I I don't look at like
the end result of the score. I know we played
Montana State. I look at the process of how we
won the game or played during the game because I'm like, okay,
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well what do we have to do to get ready
for Penn State in five weeks? Like I was talking
to someone on the sideline before the game about months,
like what do you expect today, go, we have four
weeks to get ready to pay Penning states. That's all
I care about, like because like that, that's that's like
the sport now, right, Look, it's a very NFL mindset. Yeah,
NFL starts this week. We have our favorite teams. I'm
a Chiefs fan, you're a Dolphins fan. You know, you
(15:07):
look at this season as in the NFL like losses suck.
You don't want your team to lose. But it's like
if you're root for a good team, it's like, okay,
well how does this affect our posts and chances? Yeah,
And that's a cultural ball to me, is turned into
at the top, where for you instead of dwelling on
the loss, which stings off? So do you want to win?
It stings to lose, especially the way you lost. You're like, oh, okay,
Car's got a chance now, you know, only we get
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we get him better this year, and then we have
you know, get him the right place by week six,
and then by week ten, and then by week twelve
and then week fourteen and the time we play us,
he's not late. Stanford game is the latest, right, the
late one this year? I think you go to stan
for late. Right, you know, by the time we play Stanford, Like, okay,
like we you know, is he playing the way he
needs to play? That's very different now because of the playoff.
(15:50):
I think it's actually one positive of the playoff, Brian,
is you get to think like a pro sports.
Speaker 3 (15:54):
Fan, no doubt. Yeah, it's funny excited flashback too. It
is an old Notre Damechigan game, like the first game
of the year, and Notre Dame pulled it out at
the very end, and for some reason, I remember them
showing on TV and Usher, right, the Usher was on
the field and he kind of just like collapsed into the.
Speaker 2 (16:13):
Wall, you know what I mean.
Speaker 3 (16:14):
He's just holding his head like, oh my gosh, the
season's over before it even began.
Speaker 2 (16:20):
And that's the way it used to be.
Speaker 3 (16:21):
Yeah, and now that you have twelve teams in the playoff,
it is it's completely different. So, yeah, the loss is
sock man, but you got to look more of the
big picture instead of just to hear. And now that's
exactly what it is.
Speaker 4 (16:32):
And last night, Brian was I, for the first time
ever in my life, I have played an official contest
in Las Vegas.
Speaker 2 (16:40):
Oh okay, you're on the college football team.
Speaker 4 (16:42):
College football? What and I went four and three my
first week of my first contest week. Yeah, so I'll
take I'll take the whitting record. Miami was my last leg. Sorry,
Brian oh Man, and uh I I'm proud of myself
four and three first week, Like I am notoriously a
slow starter college football, and I will it's college football,
(17:03):
man or the season. I think it's so difficult. You
just don't know about these teams, dude, you yeah, no
idea and contests.
Speaker 3 (17:09):
Man, it's hard because you're like four and three not bad,
and then you look at the standards how many people
went seven, and oh my gosh, it wasn't so bad.
Speaker 4 (17:17):
But you have to finish. Like I thought about this,
like if I went four and three every week, you'd
be like ecstatic. Right in the season, you'd be what
you'd be twelve thirteen over five hundred, right, like that
would be an incredible record. You wouldn't be close to.
Speaker 2 (17:31):
Winning, not even close.
Speaker 3 (17:33):
Yeah, exactly pretty much what it is.
Speaker 4 (17:37):
If I told you I was thirteen over five hundred
for an entire season, you'd be like, Schwartz, that is
a great job.
Speaker 3 (17:41):
Yeah, And then you'd be looking up at like the
top twenty five to fifty dudes who finished ahead.
Speaker 2 (17:48):
You know what I mean. It's crazy, but.
Speaker 1 (17:50):
How they do it?
Speaker 4 (17:50):
I did it though, five hundred dollar entry, very nice,
and I know Crack entered a few of those as well.
Do you enter any did you contest?
Speaker 3 (17:59):
I'll I'll do contest from time to time, but I
didn't do anything like that.
Speaker 2 (18:02):
Where you guys are in this.
Speaker 4 (18:04):
Year, my first year, I'm I'm I'm very excited. So, uh,
you know, great, great to start the weekend. Welcome with Eugene.
Got a cheese grater, got it, my daughter got a
giant hat, and we are off. We're off and rolling.
Speaker 2 (18:17):
Brian, very nice, very good.
Speaker 3 (18:18):
All right, coming up next on Two Pros and a
Cup of Joe. He's Jeff Schwartz. I'm Brian. No, We're
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lot of candidates. Who is the primo biggest dud of
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Speaker 2 (20:08):
Okay, Jeff, So we go to the.
Speaker 3 (20:10):
NFL over here, all right, and you know, when you're driving,
and I don't know if it says this anymore, but
on your side mirror, it would always say objects in
your mirror are closer than they appear, right, And it
makes sense because you look at your side mirror and
it looks like the car behind you is you know,
you got some distance, and then you remember, wait a minute,
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he's like on my bumper. He's right freaking there. So
objects are a lot closer than they appear. I think
that's true for a couple of teams. We just had
this Micah Parsons trade Cowboys Packers, right, he goes from
the Cowboys to the Packers. If you start looking at
these teams, Jeff, I just think that it's fashionable to
(20:52):
clown the Cowboys because they haven't been to the NFC
title game in forever. Right, it's been thirty years since
they've been there, and the Packers they've had more success.
They're not clowned nearly as much as the Cowboys are, right,
and some of it is with good reason. But I
was just looking at it last night, and it was
interesting how it played out. Where I was looking at
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the last four years Packers versus the Cowboys, because that's
how long Michael Parsons has been in the league. Right,
He's been there for the last four years. And if
you look at the Packers compared to the Cowboys, the
Cowboys have won more games over the last four years.
Speaker 4 (21:28):
Right.
Speaker 3 (21:28):
We forget Cowboys twelve and five for three straight seasons,
and then they were seven and ten last season.
Speaker 2 (21:34):
Dak Prescott only started eight games.
Speaker 3 (21:38):
If you look at the Packers these last four years,
starting in twenty twenty one, thirteen and four, eight and nine,
that was Rogers last season sub five hundred team didn't
make the playoffs, then nine and eight, then eleven and
six last season, the Cowboys actually have won two more
games than the Packers over the last four years. It's
kind of interesting right, same playoff records. Both are one
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and three over the last four years, and they both
have one season where they missed the playoffs. Very comparable numbers,
like team wise in terms of regular season wins, what
they've done in the postseason. What's the point of all
of this? What I'm thinking here, Jeff, you tell me
if you're on board or not. I would push back
(22:22):
on the idea that Michah Parsons is like the missing
link to winning it all for Green Bay. He's a
star pass rusher, He's an awesome player. Not taking anything
away from him, But do you think that the Cowboys
and the Packers are way different over the last four years?
Speaker 2 (22:40):
I don't.
Speaker 3 (22:41):
They might be different this season, But over the last
four years, Michaeh Parsons was on the Cowboys and they've
done nothing in the postseason. Why would I think him
going to the Packers is then all of a sudden
poof like look out, super Bowl champs, here we come.
Speaker 2 (22:55):
I don't believe that. I think they're very comparable.
Speaker 3 (22:57):
I think Dak and Jordan Love are comp I think
that their lack of postings and success has been comparable.
The teams are losing to is similar to you look
at the Cowboys. They lost to the Niners twice. Guess
who lost to the Niners twice? Also the Packers. So
I just don't think when you look at those two teams,
they're a lot closer than many people think they are.
Speaker 4 (23:20):
They have been, Brian, but I think they're going in
different directions right now.
Speaker 2 (23:25):
That's fair.
Speaker 4 (23:26):
That part is fair, like so is parts is the
missing piece per se? No, I don't know if that's
the right way to put it, Brian, but there's no
doubt the impact he has in the games he has played,
right sure, the Cowboys. I go back to this. So
there's a couple analytics that we use to define essentially,
(23:49):
just the way I explain it is it defines efficiency. Right.
You know there's passing yards and rushing yards, but you
know some of those numbers can be skewed dependent situation
and essentially like your garbage time versus you know things
like that, right, Like it's you know, passing the yards,
Like what is that? Right? If you're down a bunch
and you throw the ball late and you get a
bunch of passes, that does that mean the defense played poorly?
Speaker 1 (24:10):
No?
Speaker 4 (24:11):
Just that's situationd Right, So I like analytics, right, I
like a fifty number, so right, expected points at it.
It's called EPA. Right, there's basically two of them that
are they're universal EPA and DVOA. And they said they're
basically the same thing, but they're way different ways to
calculate it. Parsons on the field for the Cowboys when
he is on the field in his career, the Cowboys
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defense is number one in EPA. Okay, they're thirty one. Wow,
in the thousand snaps he's off the field. Okay, So
like that just shows you the impact he has on
the team. Okay. And to me, football, dude, is it's
not outside a quarterback. It's really not. There's not a
single reason why a team wins or loses, okay. And
(24:56):
to act like the Cowboys and Cowboys fans, that's coping mechanism. Well,
he wasn't good at the playoffs, the four playoff games. Yeah, okay,
I don't know what you want from me to say.
What do you want me to say, He's played four
playoff games. He wasn't great. I don't give me the situation,
give me the reason why. Okay, he didn't play as
(25:17):
well as your whole team didn't play as well. So
does the micro partners thing. And and so I don't
know if he's the missing link for the Packers, but
his ability to make them just that much better. Remember
last year, Brian, they lost games to only playoff teams
by a handful of points. Like they're they're they're knocking
(25:38):
on the door, They're right there. Now Jordan Love had
to just be better overall. And maybe you think to yourself, well,
he was beat up last year. He was really never healthy.
After he came back, maybe a full healthy year. We
get different parts. It's certainly fair to to to believe
all those things, right, And so I don't know, Brian,
if the right way to put is he's the missing
piece and now they're winning a super Bowl, but his
(25:59):
ability to effect that the game defensively makes him a
very valuable piece to any team. The Packers had had
a cap space, correct, they had the draft picks. They're
they're close to be much better this season. They were,
you know, they're super young. Experience matters in the NFL, right,
getting a little older, more experienced. So I loved it
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for the Packers. The Cowboys to me, went about This
is just the complete wrong way. You just cannot People
say hershel Walker trade. It's not it's not. Parsons is
young and he has a lot of really really good
football left in him. And I think it's really foolish
(26:43):
to think of this as the part as the herschel Walker.
You didn't get as much back. You've got two draft
picks in a defensive tackle. The herschel Walker trade, you
you end to put seven. It's what I'm watching the
Cowboys doc right now, Brian, And it's.
Speaker 2 (26:56):
Great, by the way, if you want to really good.
Speaker 4 (26:57):
Yeah, good doc. Well, it's fascinating about it. The herschel Walk.
I didn't realized this. I didn't. I didn't know this
is that they actually did not get as many draft picks. Originally.
They actually had to they had to cut the players
right that were drafted that they were sent over in
the trade to get the draft picks. And the Vikings
(27:18):
did not think they would do that.
Speaker 3 (27:20):
It's like, it's so it's so different compared to now.
Speaker 4 (27:25):
Yeah, we think about that, you'd be like, wait, what
you thought they just keep the old guys? Yeah, not
all the draft picks.
Speaker 3 (27:31):
Again, know, they got they got all the conditional draft
picks attached to those guys.
Speaker 4 (27:36):
Yeah, so you would be like, of course the draft picks.
Now it's not the same train, not the same.
Speaker 2 (27:42):
Train without the conditional draft picks.
Speaker 3 (27:45):
They still got three first rounders, three second rounders, a third,
a sixth. That's beyond the condition conditional draft picks. It
was the hall of halls, you know what I mean.
It was a mega hall in return for her Walker
and that's not what they got for Michael Parson. That's
my thing is listen, I know you're down on CLV,
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you know, closing line value because sometimes you get the
best of a betting number and it still doesn't work
out for you, But over time you're better off getting
you know, you know that right, you'd rather have, you know,
minus three compared to minus five and a half. Right,
over time, it's going to play to your benefit. It does,
it does, it absolutely does. I know you have for
(28:32):
some reason, it doesn't work out for you a handful
of times, but it definitely does. It works out over
the over the long haul. It's the same concept with players.
You want to maximize value, right, put CLV to the side.
You want to maximize value with whatever, whichever player that
you happen to have. The Cowboys didn't do that with
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Micah Parsons. Why aren't they dealing him in March?
Speaker 2 (28:56):
Right?
Speaker 3 (28:56):
Like you got all these teams that are in audio,
you get to have this, you know, this bonanza where
the price tag is just going up and up and
up because there's an arms race to try to get
Micah Parson.
Speaker 2 (29:07):
They didn't do that.
Speaker 3 (29:08):
They traded him to a team in their own conference.
It's such a ridiculous way they went about it, where
they didn't maximize the value of this star asset that
they had.
Speaker 2 (29:19):
It just it was bad. It was clumsy.
Speaker 3 (29:21):
It's similar to what the Dallas Mavericks did with Luca.
I mean you can look at that and say, hey,
Anthony Davis can play fine.
Speaker 2 (29:28):
People look at this so wrong.
Speaker 3 (29:30):
Where they didn't maximize his value and open it up
to the entire league and just get the.
Speaker 2 (29:37):
Price tag driven up. They didn't do that.
Speaker 3 (29:39):
They didn't maximize his value either. So both Dallas teams
screwed this up.
Speaker 4 (29:45):
To me, Brian, the way they did it was was
pretty stuff. I mean, I mean Jerry Jones was a
kind of a scumbag. And this whole process, right, where like.
So he kept saying that they had a handshake deal done.
So Michael Parsons and and Jerry Jones went went, They
(30:07):
had a meeting in where Parsons want his leadership, which
which I actually I want to get to in a second.
You know, people are upset, teammates are upset about this
podcast he has, right and how much of a leader
he is, and and and uh and he went to
he went to this meeting and came out of it.
I guess him and Jerry talk contract. Okay, I'm not surprising, right,
And they talk contract and they shook the hand. They
(30:30):
shook hands after the meeting was over, like any meeting, right,
You're like, see you later, buddy. Jerry Jones took that
as a as a sign of a deal, and Michael
Parsons said, no, let me talk to my agent, and
Jerry refused, refuse, refused talk to his agent. I did
a handshake deal, and I saw some tweet like this
he bought the Cowboys in a handshake deal. So therefore
this is the way. This way, he assumes that operations
(30:52):
are run. But Jerry, there has to be a mutual
under staying that a deal is done Brian, if you
tell me, I'll tell you something for this amount, like
a great deal, buddy, like done like that, that's an
acknowledgement that I have a deal with you. H But
if all say out, hey, man, i'll see I'll talk
to my agent. Good meeting, Like good meeting is not
(31:12):
the deal's done. There has to be mutual agreement that
a deal is done. To have a handshake deal. By
the way, I shook someone's hand for a deal to
buy a team, and then I filled out one hundred
pages of paperwork. It's like, yeah, you shook the hand
and then you did all the paperwork right, Like you
just like to shake the hand of the hand. You
the keys, here's the king of facility. It's yours, buddy. No,
(31:32):
like there's of course there's another whole thirty days with lawyers, right,
Like to pretend to Jerry Jones just just shook someone's hand.
It was handed he's the cowboys. Is not the way
life works, right, And so I to pretend that he
could just say, Parsons, we have a deal. We talked,
no representation was there. You have a highly o painage
is very good. And his refusal to talk to the
(31:53):
agent like the process by which this was done by
the Cowboys is really really silly to me, and the
Cowboy deserve and Jerry Jones deserves all the bad things
that they're gonna happen this season. There. I'll tell you what, man,
I've I've been in the situation in the NFL where
a team I was on very clearly was not trying
(32:13):
to win at the top. And that was the twenty
ten Panthers, right we were that year. We were two
and fourteen. Okay, I'm watchurely. The Cowboys are two and
fourteen this year, Brian, but it seems very clear they're
not trying to be their best and you can feel that,
and it was really demoralizing. And we played our hardest
every week. I want the Cabs aren't gonna play hard,
(32:34):
but we were bad at quarterbacks. A little different situation,
but I think Cowboys are in a world of hurt. Man.
This is so demoralized for their whole team. Their best player,
who again is very valuable to winning and losing for
them in totally right, maybe not again on the playoffs,
but just like he's an impactful player, is not there. Man.
I The Cowboys I think are in for a war
(32:55):
to hurt this year. It feels like they're in a
bad spot to put the to make this move they did.
I'm concerned about their success the seasons.
Speaker 3 (33:04):
Yeah, you know, I don't think that they're you know,
gonna have great success or anything like that.
Speaker 2 (33:09):
But their season win total is seven and a half.
Speaker 4 (33:12):
I liked it. I did like they're over, But I'm
right now.
Speaker 3 (33:15):
I like the over still even without Micah there, because
I still go back to compare it with the Packers, right.
I know, Jordan Love missed two games last year. There's
only two games with Malik Willis in there. Compared to
you had Dak start eight, he missed nine games. He
missed nine plus games. It's hard to win games in
(33:36):
the NFL when your starter is out for that long.
He's over out for over half the season. So if
he's blessed with better health than if Dak's starting seventeen games,
I love their chances to at least get to eight wins.
But to your point, like you know, I don't have
them making huge noise in the playoffs.
Speaker 2 (33:54):
Should they even get there.
Speaker 4 (33:55):
I don't know, man, I.
Speaker 3 (33:58):
Just I wonder for a little too high on the
Packers that I just look at the Super Bowl odds.
The odds are, okay, you have three teams at seven
to one, that's the Ravens, Bills, and Eagles.
Speaker 2 (34:08):
This is on bet MGM.
Speaker 3 (34:10):
You have the Chiefs at eight to one, and then
it's the Lions and the Packers are tied at twelve
to one. So basically, the Packers have the fifth best odds.
They're tied for the fifth best odds to win the
Super Bowl? Are you betting the Packers.
Speaker 4 (34:23):
Was before that? What was? What were they before the
Partians deal? I guess the question.
Speaker 3 (34:27):
They're probably I don't. I don't know exactly, but they weren't.
They didn't just skyrocket up just because of this trade.
Speaker 2 (34:34):
There were somewhere in that.
Speaker 4 (34:35):
So I actually I like them too. I like them
to win the Division before before this, and I think
the reason why is it's more just a little bit
of a of a down on the Lions and not
sure where I'm getting from Caleb Williams and McCarthy like
(34:55):
I feel. I think, I'm sure you feel the same way.
Like I know what I'm getting from the Packers season.
I feel like I do. They're pretty much a very
steady team and we know we're getting from them. It
might not be a super Bowl, but I feel very
comfortable about what I'm getting every week in the Packers.
The Vikings, McCarthy might be the best quarterback ever. I
just don't know. We haven't seen it, right, and we
(35:16):
all agree on that. We don't know. The Bears, I
think there's some some just they know they're going to
be good. Eventually. We're killing ones, but maybe not now.
There's a lot of moving parts, right, It's a new
coach and whatnot. And the Lions. The Lions have two
new coordinators. They've already had injuries on the defense side
(35:37):
of the ball, which stinks, okay, And they're scheduled this
year for schedule matters a lot. They're non division road
games this season. Kansas City, Oh.
Speaker 2 (35:49):
It's ridiculous.
Speaker 4 (35:49):
Baltimore, Yeah, Cincinnati, Philadelphia, Washington, Oh. I mean like plus
the Vikings, Bears, and Packers yea.
Speaker 2 (36:00):
Their real schedule is brutal.
Speaker 4 (36:02):
So I think the Packers are very live to win
the division, Brian, and if they are, if they win
the Vision get a home playoff game, I think it's possible,
and you hope obviously that if you are ahead of
a lot of games. The difference to win those games
is Michael Parsons getting a sack or two.
Speaker 3 (36:15):
Yeah, hey, I get it, and look at might work
out that way, and you could look at this and say, well, hey,
the Cowboys had Micah Parsons those four years and he
had at least twelve sacks every single year, and they
did what they did, you know, record wise, playoff wise,
all that stuff.
Speaker 2 (36:30):
If you look at the Packers, the last.
Speaker 3 (36:32):
Time they had a guy, an individual player that had
a double digit sack season, it was Darius Smith.
Speaker 2 (36:38):
You have to go all the way back to twenty twenty,
he had twelve and a half sacks.
Speaker 3 (36:42):
So they haven't had a double digit sack guy these
last four years that Michael Parsons has been in the league.
So if he continues that production and you pencil him
in for twelve plus sacks each year, basically, yeah, that
could make a big difference. That could be something that
if he makes an impact come playoff time, it could
be something that puts them over the top. I just
(37:02):
I'm just making the point that we clowned the Cowboys
all day long and they didn't do anything with Micah
Parsons playoffs not all his fault.
Speaker 2 (37:12):
So I'm just saying keep that in mind.
Speaker 3 (37:14):
If you're really thinking, oh man, Packers, baby, they were
cooking with grease over here, it's like, yeah, just pumped
the brakes just a little bit on that.
Speaker 2 (37:22):
That's all I'm saying here.
Speaker 4 (37:23):
It's surely fair to say that I do. I do
think process matters a lot for us and how things
are done, even though the end result might be the same,
and I think people like we are just laughing at
at the Cowboys process here. Again, the end result might
be said, they might both just be the same team
this year. I don't think that's trying. The Packers are
much more talented and they're better coach too, which which
(37:44):
was like, I think we all agree that Matlafur is
a good coach, right, we all out there, Seanheimert, to me,
I don't I just don't buy it. But nonetheless, the
process by which they got here, to me, is is
the big story and why we're so hung up on
the Cowboy is kind of losing this Traders and they
just they just went about this in just the silliest
way possible. And when you already looked at as a
(38:07):
as a franchise that is questionable with decision making and
how you're run Doing it this way makes you look
up like a buffoon even more, Yeah, and makes it
look like you don't know what you're doing. And the
last thing here too, Brian, I think is so interesting
is you know the Cowboys doc. Right, it's been It's great.
You should everyone should watch it. Do you know what
the number one thing I noticed about why they won
(38:28):
a lot of games, and they had the best roster
they had obviously Troykman, right, the best running back, Emmitt Smith,
one of the best way it's of Michael Irvin, the
best offensive line, Dion Sanders, Charles Haley, had all the
best players. So for Jerry essentially to like to pretend
(38:49):
like you don't need a guy like Parsons to win,
to me, is like even one of the dumber things here, right, Yeah,
you need him to win?
Speaker 2 (38:57):
You need that, Yeah, absolutely, you do. All right, he's
Jeff Schwartz. I'm Brian.
Speaker 3 (39:01):
Note We're in for two pros and a cup of
Joe here on Fox Sports Radio coming up next. What's
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