Best of 2 Pros and a Cup of Joe

Wednesday on 2 Pros and a Cup of Joe, opinions sway big time after week 1 in College Football. Brian Kelly takes unnecessary shot at Dabo Swinney. Micah Parsons agent David Mulugheta gives his side of the story and it’s clear Jerry Jones negotiated in bad faith. And The Old P, Petros Papadakis stops by for his weekly visit.

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Speaker 1 (00:02):
Is the best of two pros and Lamar rating Winn
and Jonas Knox on radio.

Speaker 2 (00:13):
How the hell we feeling here? Good on a Wednesday morning? Good? Yeah?

Speaker 3 (00:18):
Is Tony Danza doing back bit mattress commercials?

Speaker 2 (00:23):
Now, what do you mean? Do you remember when he
was the boss? Tony Danza and that his name? I
think so, Coop?

Speaker 4 (00:32):
You were in that world, don't you know Tony Danza?

Speaker 2 (00:36):
Who's the boss? It's before my time?

Speaker 3 (00:40):
Oh gosh, all right, you would that you would? Okay,
that's good. That's rude. So I'm pretty certain.

Speaker 2 (00:49):
Nothing like Yes, that is correct Tony Danza. See, we
don't need rock, we got Coop. He was before your time, though,
I mean that shows before my time.

Speaker 3 (01:00):
I think it is before your time. How old are
you cause, I mean you can't know what thirty six?
It's not that far before your time.

Speaker 5 (01:08):
First episode was in nineteen eighty four. I was born
in nineteen eighty eight. You might have a point.

Speaker 2 (01:13):
You're a lying. Yeah, lies, there it is.

Speaker 6 (01:21):
You're lying.

Speaker 2 (01:26):
Do you ever actually say those words? No? No, no,
he doesn't. That's the best far is LeVar convinced me.
That's an actual lie.

Speaker 3 (01:35):
I mean it should have been Yeah, there was that
one part where yeah, you had to break your birthday,
your your birthday party or something to that effect.

Speaker 5 (01:45):
Well, I think LeVar is getting get confused with like
the very first scene of the movie when we're telling
I'm telling the teacher. Everybody's telling the teacher what your
parents do for a living, right, And I said, my dad,
he's a he's a lie.

Speaker 2 (01:56):
He's a professional liar. And then I was trying to
say lawyer, but I said liar.

Speaker 7 (02:01):
Oh yeah, no, being a childhood like movie kid star,
it's you know, it's interesting, it's got its ups and downs.

Speaker 2 (02:11):
Do people recognize you still? No? Not really. He's on
my TV right now. Guys, he's on my Netflix. If
you go in stir on your Netflix, you will see
little Coop's face. Oh it's so cute.

Speaker 3 (02:22):
I almost texted him.

Speaker 2 (02:23):
About it yesterday. He was a cute little boy, little blonde.
I said, it was.

Speaker 3 (02:34):
Like that man, Well, because that was his time, damn,
that was his time to be cute.

Speaker 2 (02:43):
A right everybody else?

Speaker 4 (02:44):
Oh, come on, what are the what are the downs?
Like you know, the the upsur fame, money, all that stuff.
What are the downs that come along.

Speaker 2 (02:56):
With getting bullied? At school.

Speaker 6 (02:59):
No, oh yeah, at school jealous jealous kids. Yes, what yeah,
so I mean the kids put me in a movie
I'm going to behind.

Speaker 5 (03:13):
Well I went. I was in private school all the
way up until high school. High school was my first
time going to public school.

Speaker 2 (03:18):
Private school, and then I wanted to see Jennifer Tilley's bags.
I didn't get to do that.

Speaker 5 (03:26):
Yeah you did, but no, once I got into high school,
a lot of the girls wanted to talk to me,
and then the guys didn't like that.

Speaker 2 (03:33):
And you know, so then came the bullying. That's very interesting. Yeah,
Jennifer Tilly. Yeah, she's a poker player, now she is.
If she's listening right now, hit me up. Let's play
some poker. Dilly dilly, Okay, I see what I see it,

(03:53):
Dilly did? Don't say LeVar agree? How that was going
to be My natural reaction is LeVar said it? But
you didn't. You're right, that's messed up. That's messed up.
You look at me that way, right, Well, it's a
natural reaction.

Speaker 3 (04:11):
I mean, you know, she doesn't look quite the same
these days either, by the way, not awful though, Yeah,
I think she still looks pretty good. Yeah, I take
I take it back. You're fantastic for let me take
it back. Let me take it back. I just had
to click on it, click down on it, click down

(04:33):
on it.

Speaker 2 (04:37):
If you really want it.

Speaker 4 (04:39):
So uh so away we go here on two pros
and a cup of Joe on this Wednesday morning, we go.
I don't know what it's worth or what it even
means big picture, but we do have a brand new
AP Top twenty five after college football. Yeah, and we've
got actual games as a body of evidence to showcase
where teams are stacked. In this AP Top twenty five.

(05:02):
Ohio State is number one. They are now number one
in the country. We are Ohio State is sitting at
too all right, just seems a little messed up. Just
stay in it too. And then we've got LSU, Georgia
and Miami to round out the top five. So Texas
drops down to seven. The biggest fall was obviously Alabama,

(05:22):
who dropped down thirteen spots to twenty one, and then
we had Florida State who was not ranked. That's all
of a sudden fourteenth in the country going into the game.
So again, until we get to the college football playoff,
I don't know what time.

Speaker 2 (05:36):
What was Alabama rank going into the game. They were, yeah,
there eight and Florida State was Florida State rated at all.

Speaker 7 (05:45):
Miami is a big mover. Miami moved up five spots.
Iowa State moved up six spots. That's about the most
outside of LSU moving up six.

Speaker 4 (05:54):
So, you know, I was thinking about and looking at
the teams yesterday. We're thinking about how come Georgia just
kind of gets glossed over, you know what I mean,
Like George's sort of well when we're talking about I
think they were so dominant and so good for so
long that it was like, oh, yeah, we expect that.
And you know, they lose to Notre Dame last year
in the playoff. But I look at Georgia and I go,

(06:17):
I haven't heard a lot of discussion about them being
a team to watch out for as far as making
a run. And I don't know what that. I don't
know if there was just a fatigue element to it.
But they went years without losing a game.

Speaker 2 (06:30):
I could see where you're coming from.

Speaker 4 (06:31):
It just it seems like we were just so used
to it that we just sort of, ye, yeah, that's
what we expect.

Speaker 3 (06:35):
I think you still always film in though I think
you always they're always a factor.

Speaker 2 (06:41):
I gave you a little interesting nugget though, what's the nugget?

Speaker 7 (06:45):
So the preseason rankings for the A People right, there
was obviously a difference between the coaches pool and the
A people, uh, with Penn State and Ohio State.

Speaker 2 (06:56):
Right, Penn State was two and the A People.

Speaker 7 (06:58):
Three, and the coaches poll preseason, but they were almost
number one. Penn State got twenty three votes to be
number one. Texas got twenty five, so it was actually
really close. After just one week of football. Ohio State
got fifty five of the votes to be number one.
Penn State only got seven. So it's crazy, how like

(07:21):
one game one week and it changes the entire perception
of those out.

Speaker 2 (07:26):
There in the media that vote on this. Were the
eight people just thinking about that bar I mean, people
got to do their coaches.

Speaker 7 (07:34):
By the way, for that matter too, the coach's poll
was all the more even again, Ohio State fifty nine
first place votes, Penn State only six.

Speaker 2 (07:42):
Just one week. That's it.

Speaker 3 (07:44):
I mean, they played a bigger game. That was a
big game, and you gotta believe whoever won that game
was going to get the majority of the votes. I mean,
that's just that's how it plays out. It is a
big game, you know what.

Speaker 7 (07:55):
I love about it though, November first one versus two
Ohio State then the state.

Speaker 3 (08:03):
They both take both take care of business and process. Yeah,
but they come in for the white out. It's just
that's a hard one. That's a hard one to deal with.
That's a hard one to deal with. There's been some speculation.

Speaker 2 (08:17):
Coming out on it.

Speaker 4 (08:18):
By the way, for some reason, Lee said before the
show that he refused to take part in any white
out and I didn't understand what I didn't Undertand.

Speaker 2 (08:26):
He can't keep his clothes white enough for that? Oh,
I got you? Or did you? You sure? Step up
the bat to defend? What do you mean? That was
a dick? She dug, she dug, he can't keep his
white stuff white? How would you know? I give her

(08:47):
all my whites like her. I give her. They're dating?
Q How they're doing laundry together? They're dating? It feels
like reckless speculation? Is that? Is that? Can we confirm that,
Sally Richardson? They're dating?

Speaker 4 (09:10):
Did you guys see the little uh back and forth
between Davos, Swenny and Brian Kelly yesterday. That was for
some reason, Brian Kelly I think took offense to Davos
Swenny kind of.

Speaker 2 (09:23):
I mean, you get this.

Speaker 4 (09:25):
So listen to the sound because it feels like Dabo
was being fair in his assessment of the game. So
here was Dabos Sweitty talking about the Clemson l s
U game from Saturday night.

Speaker 8 (09:36):
That is a physical group, It is a very smart quarterback.
They're gonna be a problem. And they got some explosive dudes.
And we it was a hell of a game down
the last play, right out of the gate. It's like
getting the final exam Day one a class. They made
a sixty five, we made a fifty eight.

Speaker 2 (09:53):
Were great. So that was Dabos talking about the game
with LSU.

Speaker 3 (09:58):
So he said that they sted out at one was
a passing grade. One was a failing grade. Well but
he gave Brian Kelly and les you a failing grade.
Why they got a passing grade.

Speaker 2 (10:08):
I mean, it's a great win. But he's kind of right.

Speaker 4 (10:11):
Neither one of them was great, like it wasn't you know,
it wasn't this flawless football game.

Speaker 2 (10:16):
And Brian Kelly.

Speaker 3 (10:17):
But don't make educated like don't. Don't make it academic, right,
don't don't bring it into the realm of great you know,
test grades and and percentages that way, and that can
become a little offensive.

Speaker 2 (10:28):
All right, then then you're in the same school as
Brian Kelly, who I'm sarcastic. But let's say you lost.
But let's sear what he said. We dominated him in
the second half.

Speaker 9 (10:37):
So he's either a really good grader for you know,
giving himself a fifty eight, or he's a really hard
greater on us, or.

Speaker 2 (10:46):
He didn't see the second half, which that might be
the case. He might not have wanted to see the
second half.

Speaker 3 (10:51):
He gave them the fifty eight, Like didn't he give
them the fifty eight? He said, we did the sixties.
It was the opposite.

Speaker 7 (11:00):
Is Brian Kelly marsh in the realm of like one
of the most unlikable college footballer.

Speaker 2 (11:07):
I guess voice really did hits it too. You won
the game. It was a seventeen to ten ball game,
isn't that what the final score was?

Speaker 3 (11:14):
Right?

Speaker 2 (11:15):
LS? You beat him, right? Right? Yeah? But no, Dabo
was giving them sitting a little higher grade.

Speaker 7 (11:21):
But he was saying that he didn't feel like either
team really, you know, blew it out of the water.

Speaker 2 (11:26):
He's right, he's not wrong. Yeah, he's not wrong, and
he's got to take that shot.

Speaker 7 (11:31):
Like I'm telling you, man, it's it's there's so many
people that are just were like good riddens and they
could be.

Speaker 2 (11:37):
Happier that he's somewhere else other than Notre Dame.

Speaker 4 (11:42):
He just that that strikes me as somebody who and
I can understand why it was a big game for
LSU because they had never won an opener since he's
been there.

Speaker 2 (11:49):
They lost like five straight. You know.

Speaker 4 (11:52):
All that being said, I didn't look at anything or
listen to anything that Davos Twin he said, and been like,
oh that's totally wrecked. That's totally fair. How could you
do that following a game? Now, listen, neither one of
us are great, but you know, first exam of the year,
that's it. That was That was it, and Brian Kelly
took offense to it. Decided to uh to light him
up afterwards. Well again, you had one one passing grade.

Speaker 2 (12:14):
Bearely.

Speaker 3 (12:16):
They said d's get degrees, but you know e's just don't.
They don't get it done. That's a failing grade.

Speaker 2 (12:21):
I mean, listen, I forgot about this conversation.

Speaker 3 (12:24):
To ease yea or no it ain't ease. Yeah yeah,
e's and f's. But but fifties are ease, right, those
are ease. That's a failing grade and that's that's not you.
You can't pass with it, but you can pass with
a D which is the sixties.

Speaker 2 (12:41):
I don't know. All I'll say is there's no reason
to take offense to it.

Speaker 3 (12:44):
You know, they did win the game, you know, Chip
found or not Chip Brian finally got over that that
none winning the first game hump in a big game.

Speaker 2 (12:53):
I thought that was a big game. I think Clemson's
going to continue.

Speaker 3 (12:56):
In fact, I in my mind for some reason, I
was thinking that Clemson won the game for a few
seconds there. But that's going to be a good team
this year. That's going to be a team to contend
with that.

Speaker 2 (13:07):
You know. The interesting thing.

Speaker 3 (13:08):
About the ap pole and just the things that are
being discussed, And it happened last year and it played
out like like we said, Notre Dame ended up beating
Georgia like and Georgia was a really good football team
and they were able to beat them. There's going to
be a team that loses early that's going to catch
fire and they're going to be a problem as this

(13:29):
season goes on. A lot of good teams that did
not win this past Saturday. So and by the way,
I loved I loved the post game, the postgame talked
by by coach from Notre Dame Freeman. I loved his
words and his sentiments to his team. It was very relevant.
And you know what, he's been there before. Some of

(13:50):
those guys, they've been there before. So some of these
guys are going to bounce back. So it's kind of hard.
It's kind of difficult. You know, when you see a
team take an l early on in the year, it's
like dang, like you know where they go from here.
But you know, the playoffs has given teams an opportunity
to have those slip.

Speaker 2 (14:08):
Ups and and you know, we'll see what happens.

Speaker 7 (14:11):
I just think for so long, if you're a college
football fan, you felt like if you lost a game,
you had no hopes of a national championship, and you know,
and playing a Notre Dame because you're an independent, it meant.

Speaker 2 (14:24):
That much more.

Speaker 7 (14:25):
And you felt that weight that much more because you
weren't in a conference, so even if you lost, and
once you lost a game.

Speaker 2 (14:32):
You were like, all right, seasons are kind of over.

Speaker 7 (14:35):
You have to hope and pray you get a shot,
but you're like, you didn't have a conference, you know,
a championship to play for, which is still something like
guys preached to nowadays because the expanded playoff, you know,
coaches and I think fans and players, like everyone involved
in the sport has to really change their mindset because
you can drop a game, you can drop two games.

(14:56):
You can go win your conference and drop three games.
That's Clemson did last year and you can still make it.
So I look at it and just say it's a
long season, like this is a sport that was a
regular season sport for forever and it's now transitioning to
a postseason sport. And because of that, you have to

(15:17):
change your mindset and how we live and dial with
some of these these games. Now, I would say this,
it does take away some of the bite of these games.
Like you look at the you know Notre Dame, Miami
Notre Dame's perspective, or Texas and Ohio State. They're not
out of it by any means.

Speaker 2 (15:35):
I mean even.

Speaker 7 (15:36):
Texas as far as like going to win the SEC,
I still viewed them as the top team in the SEC.
You know, looking at Clemson, they lost LSU, I still
view Clemson as a team that's going to potentially win
the ACS. And I know Florida State played well. I
know Miami played well. I still look at Clemson and go, yeah,
I could see them when when the a SEC.

Speaker 4 (15:54):
Yeah yeah, I just I didn't take and I know
that it maybe takes some bite out of it. I
don't look at it and go, well, maybe those teams
didn't want to win as much as they would have
had they been punished for a loss. No, no, And
in fact, I think moving forward, this is going to
make the beginning of the year that much better because

(16:15):
teams are gonna be like, yeah, we'll take some chances,
like we'll go on the road, we'll play a big
time program with maybe they wouldn't have done it before,
which I thought. My takeaway from this past weekend it
was the first and I know it's the preseason rankings,
but I think it was the first time we had
a bunch of top ten teams face off with each other.
The first time it had happened and if you're a
long time or ever, and I looked at that and

(16:37):
I was like, that's awesome, Like if we could get
more of that moving forward with the expanded playoffs, you're
booke ending the season with all.

Speaker 2 (16:44):
I think it depends, though, I think it depends.

Speaker 7 (16:46):
Like I think you have other coaches who take like
Kirk Signette's approach and saying, well, why would I like,
why would I schedule a really tough opponent of Week one,
lose and then come back and say, yeah, I'm not
going to make it as a ten and two football team.
I mean, they're like the case study for an eleven
and one record, where I believe in Big Ten Conference play,

(17:08):
they only played Michigan. That was probably their toughest Big
Ten opponent. They didn't play Oregon, they didn't play Ahouse State,
they didn't play Penn State last year, so that's your
toughest opponent. They really didn't play win the non conference.
So I mean, if you're looking at a program like that,
he's looking at saying, well, if I get to eleven
and one, I'm always going to be a part of
the conversation, whereas if I'm ten and two maybe I'm

(17:29):
not because my schedule, you know, isn't strong enough, but
that allowed Indiana to get in last year, and that
was the right of the SEC.

Speaker 2 (17:35):
Is there a.

Speaker 3 (17:36):
Chance that there's a better loss based upon the strength
of the team you play versus a weaker win against
an opponents.

Speaker 7 (17:47):
The College Football Playoff Committee did change their waiting on
how they're handling those bigger matchups, so they're giving more
weight to a loss to a really good team or
a over a really good team. So this is the
first year they're implementing that. I don't know how exactly
they're putting it into their formula, but they did announce

(18:07):
that that is gonna be a bigger piece of it,
which is one of the reasons why the SEC has
then come out and say, hey, we're gonna play a
ninth conference game starting twenty twenty six.

Speaker 2 (18:16):
And I don't know if they're gonna.

Speaker 7 (18:17):
Make other rules about how they're gonna go about these
non conference games. I mean, here's the hard part about
the sport is the sports becomes so centered and focused
on just the top that we tend to forget, like
some of these small schools when they get those million
dollar payouts and more than that that that goes to
their budget, like they don't have an athletics program, or
they're gonna struggle if they don't play. You know, if

(18:38):
it's like an LSU doesn't play some directional school at
some point in time, or some of these bigger schools
don't play these smaller schools that need that payoff for
their budget. So that becomes the difficult conversation is like
what you say to some of these you know, Northwest Alabama,
you know, school that needs the money to play that game.

(18:59):
Even though they're gonna a door is kicked in, it's
still financially, you know, important for them to be able
to make that sort of money.

Speaker 2 (19:08):
So how do you go about handling that?

Speaker 4 (19:11):
Yeah, it's uh, just tell them to start gambling. It
feels like the same, Oh, they're going.

Speaker 3 (19:15):
To ultimately lose out because they're going to start losing
those games if it goes that direction. I mean, that's
what I would say, you want to get those games.
But if they're not going to schedule you based upon
other elements that may become a part of the conversation,
then a lot of those schools are going to lose
those opportunities to get their asses kicked, to get money

(19:35):
ass kicking for hire. You know those games are gonna eventually.
I if they continue to build these conferences up, I
just wonder, do you even have an out of conference schedule?
Before long, you know, maybe your whole entire season becomes
an in conference season if they continue to grow them,

(19:58):
Like why would you go out the conference if you're
going to take like it used to be the Big
ten or the Pac ten or the Big twelve, like
you got like twenty teams now like or sixteen eighteen teams,
you know, like as that continues to grow, if there's
a monopoly by the SEC and the Big ten, then Eve,

(20:19):
you would have to assume perceivably even like the ACC
may may even go away or you know, struggle to
be whatever it is, slip into being a different you know,
like more of a what is it an FBS type
of school something to that you know, you don't know,
but I mean you would assume that that's where this

(20:39):
is all hitting.

Speaker 2 (20:41):
Even the NFL plays cross conference games, sure, like even
the NFL would play like a Big ten.

Speaker 3 (20:47):
SEC game, So I think that would be I think
that would be interesting if it But.

Speaker 7 (20:52):
Honestly, the most interesting thing college football would do it
this will never happen, is a promotion relegation model where
you would take the Big ten.

Speaker 2 (21:01):
SEC, you take the ACC in Big twelve, and.

Speaker 7 (21:04):
You'd figure out amongst all those teams and I don't
know if it's sixty teams, what have you, but you'd
have like thirty team leagues and you would have different
you know, just like they do in English Premier League soccer,
where three teams get promoted from that bottom thirty team
league up to the next.

Speaker 2 (21:24):
The bottom three get demoted, and you figure out.

Speaker 7 (21:27):
What the TV rights contracts like, how much that would
impact obviously what they'd make, and you'd figure out the
rest from there. But that, to me would create so
much more excitement out of the back end of those teams,
and you could still keep the playoffs, still keep all
the things that make it fun. Now, I would one
hundred percent be in favor of that, but there's no

(21:49):
chance because no one's you know, no one's going to
try to apply that sort of thinking to college football.

Speaker 2 (21:56):
Even though honestly, if you go over there, the closest sport.

Speaker 7 (21:59):
I've ever seen person to college football, it's not like
the NFL. The NFL is just a sterile corporate environment.
It is premier league soccer. It is incredible the way
the fans are, the way they treat it, how they
I would say, tailgate around it, and the things they like,
the bars, everything else, like the fandom behind it, the
closest thing.

Speaker 2 (22:18):
It's so much more tribal and so close to college football.

Speaker 7 (22:21):
It's funny, like I wish more people could experience that,
because if they did, they'd be like, this is fun,
like this is a this is an awesome atmosphere, just
like I felt like background was in college.

Speaker 4 (22:31):
Who parties harder college football or in EPL fans?

Speaker 2 (22:36):
I don't know, dude, Back in the day, some of
these soccer leagues, like people are.

Speaker 7 (22:39):
Getting like stabbed and killed. It's just it's wild, setting
fire on stuff.

Speaker 2 (22:45):
It's just I don't know, it's I've seen.

Speaker 7 (22:50):
Cars going river in college football, goalposts going rivers.

Speaker 2 (22:53):
Like it's it's close. You know.

Speaker 7 (22:56):
There's a period of time when I was young, and
I remember in columb it was like if they want
a big game, they'd be like cars on fire. If
they lost the big game, they'd be flipping cars to
be on fire, and I was like, hey, Mom and dad,
why why are the cars on fire?

Speaker 2 (23:08):
Like Ohio stay lost? It's like, oh, all right, well
that makes sense. Yeah, I guess does it? I don't know.

Speaker 3 (23:16):
I mean I can see somebody in Ohio saying that
makes sense or Michigan's you.

Speaker 7 (23:20):
Know, does that not happen in an exactly valleys? Thing
like we used to is soft now because they don't
set cars on.

Speaker 3 (23:29):
We used to win. We used to win big games.
We rioted. But you know, you got to keep in
mind we're Philly and we're Pittsburgh, and Philly fans they
they act up when you know they can't handle success.
That's true. I don't know what it is about Philly fans, man,
but they can't listen. That's my mob, That's that's definitely

(23:51):
my mom. But I'm just saying, Saturday Philly fans, I
love them to death. Sunday Philing Philly fans not so much.
I'm just saying. And it's the same people. So I
don't know how you split it up. You know, it's
a great you know, hey, hey, get a little bit
of this steak. Yeah, you see the steak? You get
his a little Soup.

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Speaker 4 (24:54):
So David Mulgata, the agent for Micah Parsons, was on
first take, of course, so he's talking that, Yeah, of
course he was. He was on first take, and he
had a couple of interesting, interesting things to say, one
of which was the quote unquote negotiation that Micah Parsons

(25:14):
and Jerry Jones allegedly had back in March when Micah
got back from being out of the country. This was
his agent's take on that situation.

Speaker 11 (25:22):
As far as far as Mike is concerned, he was,
you know, he was out of the country. He got
a call from Jerry's assistant and was asked to come
in to me about leadership. So when he got back
from his vacation, he came in and he gave them
a call, told him was the back he was ready
to meet. At some point during that meeting that was
represented to him about was going to be about leadership
get turned into contracting talk. And you know, if you're

(25:44):
a twenty five year old football player and your boss,
who happens to be the most powerful person in the NFL,
starts talking about contracts, it's hard for you to end
that conversation. So they had a conversation. Micah nodded his
head out of respect. Obviously, there's a power dynamic that's
a little different there. One guy's the owner of the
team and the GM and the other one is Michael
Parson is a young twenty five year old football player.
So I'm not sure if there was a miscommunication there.

(26:05):
By the time Mike had walked out, but at no
point did Michael believe that he was negotiating contract.

Speaker 2 (26:10):
So that was a that makes sense. I mean, that
checks out. I mean, what do you mean?

Speaker 4 (26:18):
Eh, Well, numbers were discussed, and there was another report
from Don Van Natta and Jeremy Fowler on ESPN that
said that Jerry and Micah had reportedly had the parameters
of the deal, and then Parsons called Stephen Jones after
that meeting to try and see if they could increase

(26:39):
some of the monies in the contract.

Speaker 2 (26:41):
So I don't believe that, Okay, I mean, okay, I
don't believe that.

Speaker 3 (26:47):
I don't. I don't believe that. That's that's just my
opinion on it. I don't.

Speaker 2 (26:51):
I don't believe that to be true. I'll see what's
happening here. I mean, he'll believe one guy, he just
won't believe the other. Damn.

Speaker 3 (26:58):
I'm not a David Mullagat fan either, But I'm just
saying I don't believe that to be true.

Speaker 2 (27:04):
That's all I'm gonna say. I don't. I don't believe
that to be true.

Speaker 3 (27:07):
Like again, and even if they had the discussion, even
like and I feel like that checks out like they are.

Speaker 2 (27:14):
He had the.

Speaker 3 (27:15):
Discussion point, they brought up numbers, this, that, and the other.
I just don't see Micah committing to a parameter of
a contract without talking with his agent.

Speaker 2 (27:27):
In fact, I would. I would extend further.

Speaker 3 (27:30):
To say the vast majority of guys that are in
the NFL wouldn't do that without the involvement of their agent.

Speaker 2 (27:39):
Yeah, so I think that's rather obvious.

Speaker 7 (27:42):
Well, the thing I'd ask you is, do you think
they hadn't had a conversation at any point about what
a contract would look like? Because what I think most
likely happened is it's he probably already had conversations with
his agent before about what they're looking for, what they're
going for, and then when Jerry asked them to come up,
he's talking them about it. But by here's the thing is,
by no means when you're a player and an owner

(28:05):
general manager asked you to come up, do you believe
that like you're actually negotiating the contract, you know what
I'm saying, Like you maybe put in some framework or
talking about some things, but like you're not, Like this
doesn't pen to paper right, Like so many things have
fallen through in contracts, And this is how extends outside
of football because you know, whatever attorney's got involved or

(28:28):
agents got involved and they didn't like the language in
certain clauses in the contract and it fell through.

Speaker 2 (28:32):
That happens all the time.

Speaker 7 (28:34):
So like the general point that I would take is
regardless of what was said in that meeting, like this
isn't the good old days, Like that's not how it works, Jerry.
So I don't care if there was like a verbal
agreement or whatever you thought you had had or you know,
spit on your hands and you know, shook hands like
a yeah, you have to get in writing.

Speaker 2 (28:56):
Yeah, Like forget that, you have to get in writing.

Speaker 7 (28:58):
Like Jerry Jones is a savvy enough businessman to know
that any deal he's going to negotiate, there is not
a word of mouth negotiation like contract being taken place.

Speaker 2 (29:08):
That's not how the NFL works.

Speaker 7 (29:09):
He knows that he just signed deron Bland to that
it was that just a spit on their hands shake
and there you go. Is that how that worked? I mean,
like all this stuff is believable. It just when it
comes down to it, none of it's an actual contract,
Like none of it's actually on paper, both parties signed
the agreement and that's the contract we want with moving forward.

Speaker 2 (29:29):
And obviously they couldn't come to that.

Speaker 7 (29:31):
And you know, Micah was wise enough to make sure
his agent was involved. So look, a good thing for
Mike is he got his agent involved, he got the
deal he wanted. I just you know, I wanted to
be able to get on the field and play and
see what Green Bay is capable of this year.

Speaker 3 (29:45):
I think he'll play, and I think that this whole
conversation about what took place between Jerry Jones and Michael Parsons,
it's like.

Speaker 2 (29:56):
You tell guys, it is so old and and listen.

Speaker 3 (30:00):
Jerry Jones has done how many contracts during the duration
of his career versus how many has Michael Parsons been
a part of. I don't act like this is on
Michael Parsons, Like that's whack is s. I don't act
like it's on Michael Parsons. Whatever it was that you
were trying to get done, Jerry, you try to get
it done. Fine, you try to get it done with

(30:21):
the player, but you also try to get that done
with the agent. And if that doesn't align, it doesn't align.
But don't try to make this mess out to be
like micaelh like did the contract but didn't do the
contract and then his agent came and met No.

Speaker 2 (30:38):
Don't do that. That doesn't add up. It doesn't make sense.

Speaker 3 (30:43):
You're you're a guy who is very, very experienced in
running a team.

Speaker 2 (30:49):
So don't put that out there like that, because that's misleading.

Speaker 3 (30:54):
Even if you had that conversation, you pay him, you're
his employer. If he called you to come in there
and he talked to you about numbers and you felt
like and it's easy, believe you me, it's easy to
feel like you have a close relationship with the owner
of the team. At times that does happen where you
have close conversations, you're in close quarters, you discuss things,

(31:17):
you discuss the future of the team. They try to
hit on your emotional strings and your chords and talk
about what the city means and all these things. Stop
putting that on Micah Parsons. The bottom line is a
contract wasn't done. You needed to talk to the agent
at some point in time, no matter what the conversation

(31:38):
that took place between you and Michael Parsons, and everybody
needed to get on the same page. That didn't happen.
Just say we needed to get on the same page.
We weren't on the same page. And now Mike is gone.

Speaker 2 (31:49):
That's it.

Speaker 3 (31:51):
Like all this other stuff to try to justify one
thing over to another, this and that, it's a dumb
ass move. No matter how you slice it, it's a
dumb ass move. I don't give a damn if Michael
Parsons has three good years left in that back, that's
still a horrible move. To allow Michael Parsons to leave,

(32:12):
that's a horrible move. And nothing you say, nothing you're
gonna do, whether you agree with it that Micah's agent
or not, whether you listen to all of the speculation
or the things that get reported out there or not.
The bottom line is there's no justification for letting Michael
Parsons leave your team before his rookie contract was over.

(32:34):
You didn't do another contract with him. You can't justify it.
Let's just move on. You're gonna get your asses kicked
by Philly. Go get that ass whipped, come back and
have to answer more questions about why you didn't bring
Michael Parsons back.

Speaker 2 (32:49):
You did this, Why don't you gonna get your ass. Well,
don't blame that on somebody else.

Speaker 4 (32:53):
You did that, David Willi Getta also explain sort of
these structure of the contract and how the numbers came
to be yesterday on first stake as well too.

Speaker 11 (33:04):
From an AP why stand standpoint, you're just looking at
the average that there was offered to him.

Speaker 2 (33:09):
I believe it was forty.

Speaker 11 (33:10):
Point five was the offer which would have made him
at the time, from an APY standpoint, the highest paid.
That being said, the way the cash flower structured over
his first three new years, he would not be paid
as the highest player, highest paid player in the NFL.
So again that's why I say the devil's in the details.
And another important part of the contract was a four
year deal versus a five year deal.

Speaker 2 (33:29):
Right when you look at that that fifth.

Speaker 11 (33:31):
New year, it could be the difference in thirty to
forty million dollars for the player. You know, if you
look at where the pass rusher market was a year ago,
it was at thirty five million or so with Nick Moosa,
now said forty seven million in one year with Michael Parkson.
So four years from now, where do you think that
number is. It's probably culture to sixty five to seventy
million dollars a year, and if we lock in that
fifty year currently at forty million dollars, just that year

(33:51):
loan is worth an addition of thirty million dollars to Mike,
if not more.

Speaker 2 (33:55):
And that's not even counting the.

Speaker 11 (33:56):
Rays that he got for the next four years, or
the fact that the Packers.

Speaker 2 (34:01):
We're we're, you know, we're good enough to.

Speaker 11 (34:03):
Us that they gave us the fifth year option as
a linebacker this year as opposed to be So that's
an additional three million dollars. So you know, the difference
between those two deals you're looking at could be possibly,
you know, sixty seventy million dollars when it's all seven done.

Speaker 2 (34:15):
It's amazing.

Speaker 7 (34:15):
I mean, first off, it's it's simple math. Like you
add on an additional year, your average per year goes down.
So thank you for the math lesson David. The other
thing is that he doesn't really point out or doesn't
do a great job of explaining it's the reason why
you want a four year of verus a five year
is it gives one less year of team control. So
in your negotiations, if Micah Parsons does what you think
he's going to do, you know, to his point about

(34:38):
what that final year in the contract is worth. Let's
say it's forty million, and the going rate average, you know,
per year is actually closer to fifty or whatever the
number is. You're renegotiating that contract center, right, because you're
pressing free agency center. So the duration of the deal
matters if it's not as long because you.

Speaker 2 (34:58):
Keep three versus your depression three versus year four.

Speaker 7 (35:01):
Yeah, yeah, and you're obviously continuing to keep up with
what the true market rate is if he's obviously playing
up up to those standards. So that's how I described
why there is more value placed on four years versus
five for those reasons. And he'll be, I believe, thirty
years old if my math is correct, as opposed to

(35:22):
thirty one, which is again the age that Trey Hendrickson
is in. And obviously at that point in time when
you want to re up again, it becomes a much
more difficult task when you hit that age.

Speaker 2 (35:31):
Of thirty to redegotiate versus twenty nine.

Speaker 4 (35:36):
I mean, so basically, Jerry drug his feet and this
time it got him. He waited too long. They were
talking contract and at the time, it.

Speaker 3 (35:44):
Kind of did the contract bro and it was before
he waited.

Speaker 4 (35:48):
Too long, and it was before all these other deals
got done. But if they wanted to, because you know,
one of the other parts of the report on ESPN
was that finally when it came time to have a discussion,
Jerry Jones told Micah Parsons and his agent because David
Mulligetta did send an email over to try and quote
unquote one last ditch effort to get something done, and

(36:09):
Jerry and Steven wrote back and just said, look, either
he's going to play on the fifth year option or
he's going to get traded. And the feeling was that
the price had jumped so much since when they first
discuss had the discussion that they were still going based
on the original discussion back in March, which is like.

Speaker 3 (36:28):
If that's forty million and you got a heavily backloaded contract,
that is that is a franchise friendly contract.

Speaker 4 (36:35):
And but it's like that was before Max Crosby got done,
Miles Garrett got done that he you know, if they
really it just feels like if they wanted to get
it done, they would have gotten it.

Speaker 3 (36:47):
Done no matter when Jonas and it feels like that's
the thing, no matter when it feels like the same
thing that happened with Mike McCarthy, Like Mike McCarthy, they waited.

Speaker 2 (36:55):
Until the end, waited till the end.

Speaker 4 (36:56):
Wait, Yeah, I guess we just decided if part ways
like no, you just you were in discussions to bring
him back and then it just didn't happen. It just
it feels like they are entering those dysfunctional organizations that
we talk about. They're entering those conversations now, the Jets,
the Panthers, Like it's just it's been a long time

(37:19):
since they won. There's always chaos, and they're just probably
not going to be good, and they just lost their
best player because of shenanigans.

Speaker 3 (37:30):
It seems like I don't really feel like surprises or
luck play a play a part in being successful in
the league either, Like there is there a chance that
this team could be a competitive team. Sure it's an
NFL team, Is it actually feasible to think that they

(37:52):
could get lucky this year and have a Super Bowl run.
They could get lucky this year and win the NFC East,
they get lucky this year and have great success. I
don't see that I don't see that as being feasible
doesn't mean it can happen. I don't know what the
chances of that would be. The odds so that would

(38:13):
be I just have never really seen a team get
lucky at being successful when they make dumb ass decisions.
I've never seen it. I've never seen it happen. But
maybe they'll be the first ones. Maybe Jerry's the one
to do it, to change everything up and see things
differently than what like. I guess you can just get
rid of great ballplayers. I mean when we do all

(38:35):
the things we do to prepare for the draft, and
you prepare for the offseason for a free agency, I
guess you could say, you know what, Hell, there isn't
a premium on elite players. We could just do it
with other players, like we'll do it with other guys.
I guess that's where we're heading with this.

Speaker 4 (38:52):
Yeah, well, at least he got paid, so there's that.
And now he's off to Green Bay and the rest
is history.

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Speaker 4 (39:11):
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Speaker 2 (39:32):
How are we feeling? I'm all right, good morning everybody.
How are you? Good morning? Good?

Speaker 9 (39:38):
I took a melatonin last night, so I'm a little foggy,
but I'm alright.

Speaker 2 (39:42):
I'm alright, all right, mom here, I'm ready to go.

Speaker 3 (39:46):
Okay. I had a glass of ray of wine and
a little spliffy spliff.

Speaker 2 (39:50):
You know what I mean. You know what I mean.
I do as a matter of fact, I do.

Speaker 3 (39:53):
Yeah, ye like a baby too. So how are you
feeling after Week one? I jump in there and ask,
you know, having the double call, seeing what took place,
ranked teams on ranked teams, all that stuff. How did
you feel about Week one of college football?

Speaker 2 (40:10):
Well?

Speaker 9 (40:10):
I had two games to call, so that was a
lot of it. And I guess the two big stories
in the off season, the ones that we were bludgeoned with,
you know, other than all the crappy news about college
football that we have to deal with with the portal
and the NIL stuff. And I thought that the nil

(40:32):
talk would be over now that the season started, but
we have Gundy and Dan Lanning going.

Speaker 2 (40:37):
Back and forth, which is a lot of fun.

Speaker 9 (40:40):
But I mean, the big story was what arch Manning,
who literally looked like Uncle Rico and then saw that
and then Bill Belichick like those two stories, the two
biggest stories of the off season. Both those guys came
out and laid like a gigantic egg. So I it's

(41:01):
always interesting, and we always overreact to Week one. And
I'm not a quarterback expert, but arch Manning didn't look good.
I guess I'm more of a quarterback expert than if
you're not a football analyst. But I'm not a quarterback type,
as you guys know, so I'm not sure how correctable
a lot of his problems were.

Speaker 2 (41:22):
But he did not look great.

Speaker 9 (41:25):
And kind of reminded me of when Sarkisian brought in
Nate Montana, Joe Montana's son out an Oaks Christian, and
he was supposed to be the next end All be All,
and I think he only started one game. Now, I
don't think arch Manning is going to be that bad.
He's probably no one's ever as bad or as good
as they look in their first game, but or their

(41:47):
first starter, or in a real adverse situation like that.

Speaker 2 (41:51):
And that was a very adverse situation.

Speaker 9 (41:54):
And then the Belichick thing was really interesting because everybody
was ready to anoint him after the first drive.

Speaker 2 (41:59):
On Winter.

Speaker 9 (42:01):
They got blown up by Sunny Dyke's team. So that
part of it I thought was there's always great stories,
it's always fun, it's always chaotic. I'm always grateful to
have the games back so we have something to talk
about that's not as unsavory as other things that we
talk about, like I'm in Love with a stripper.

Speaker 2 (42:20):
Or slow balls rap career.

Speaker 9 (42:24):
But just from Afar, everything looked like a lot of fun,
a lot of fanfare, a lot of a lot of
what we like about college football. I was an East
Lansing and it was beautiful weather, and all the kids
were back in school and the stadium was full, and
there was a lot of exuberance and excitement. I mean,
what more could we ask for if you enjoyed the sport.

(42:46):
So I did enjoy Week one, but I thought it
was kind of ironic that we wasted all that air
on two things that just absolutely flopped right off the bat.
Which isn't to say that that will be you know
how it is, and we all understand if you're inside
the sport, we all understand what week one is and

(43:06):
what an overreaction to something really really good or really
really bad is. But at the same time, he arch
Manning looked really bad and so did unc. So I
guess those were my two bigger takeaways other than the
fact that I'm grateful to have the sport back.

Speaker 7 (43:23):
Yeah, yeah, Why do you think people tend to few
the negative? Like I went back watched every play and
did arch miss some throws? Yeah, he probably missed three
or four. He made some good throws that didn't really
get any credit for. And the one thing I'd say
is like there was nowhere to go with the football.
I mean, there was nowhere for him to run. It

(43:43):
seemed very evident that Matt Patricia had coached the defensive
front up that if you couldn't get a sack on him,
just collapse the pocket around him, but don't let him out, like, don't.

Speaker 2 (43:55):
Let him get his legs involved.

Speaker 7 (43:57):
And he seemed to be very uncomfortable and like out
of rhythm because of that. Like there's times where we
were down there on the field watching him and you
could tell he wanted to try to get out of
the pocket, like he couldn't see you know, they were
like there wasn't really a lane for him. And I
know there's some mechanical things too. He had some bad
fool work, not addressing throws, But you know, for the
most part, Like why do you feel like we always

(44:18):
tend to focus on the negative with arch as opposed
to like, hey, maybe this Ohio State defense is really
damn good, Like maybe they might be the best in
the country right now.

Speaker 9 (44:27):
Well, because we didn't spend all off season talking about
the Ohio State defense, Like I didn't wake up every
morning and eat an Ohio State defense sandwich.

Speaker 2 (44:36):
He had some manning sandwich. Is that what you have? Dry?

Speaker 9 (44:38):
Yeah, I mean, really, that's we've been force fed. I'm
not saying it's fair, Brady. I mean, guys play quarterback
because they want to get a lot of credit, but
they also get a lot of blame. You know, I
mean the quarterback situation is what we focus on. Everybody
talks about that kid. We talked about that kid. Look,

(45:00):
we saw him in that spring game and he didn't
look like he could throw two years ago. And then
it was like, no, no, he's going to be better.
He's developing, and everybody talked and talked and talked their
way into it, and he could be the greatest thing
since sliced bread as he develops. And yeah, Ohio States
defense was great, and yeah, they stifled him.

Speaker 2 (45:21):
But there's also.

Speaker 9 (45:22):
Kind of an element of It's sort of like getting
a punt blocked, Right, You get one punt blocked, and
everybody sees how you got it blocked, and they start
scheming against you. And now, I mean, now there's a
tape against arch Manning playing against maybe a great defense,
certainly a lot better defense than Louisiana Monroe his last start,

(45:44):
and there's a blueprint out there as well. He stayed
before that, right, Yeah, I don't know how many he started.

Speaker 2 (45:50):
He's sort of two games.

Speaker 7 (45:51):
And that's here's the only thing I'd say, not not
to go back against you, but like I watched the
tape last year, like it's not like he doesn't have
tools and tangibles and stuff. I remember seeing him throw
in practice when quinn Ewers was hurt and he was
there as a freshman, and I was like, oh, like.

Speaker 2 (46:06):
He's he's got it, like he can do it. So,
you know, like I talked to some of the program.

Speaker 7 (46:11):
I told these guys that it sounds like he's got
a banged up shoulder that he was playing through. So
I'm not sure they didn't want it to get out.

Speaker 2 (46:17):
I'm not sure they went he was throwing it like
Uncle Rico.

Speaker 7 (46:20):
Yeah, there is some concert a little bit. Yeah, like
that is there's he's going through some pain and he
was only fifty percent. But again, like he was out
there playing, so you can't really make the excuse once
you crossed that line. But I'm just saying, like, I
feel like, do we have to we have to write
the story on him after one game?

Speaker 2 (46:38):
Like no, oh, no, I'm not trying to.

Speaker 9 (46:39):
I'm just saying, I mean, he asked me what my
takeaway was, and my takeaway was the first, the first
thing that we were told and the last thing that
we were told was about arch Manning, and then right
after that was about Bill Belichick, and both of those
things did not perform well for whatever reason. And you know,
of course, ball is a lot more people than just one,

(47:03):
and we can name all their names and look at
the depth chart and go through all that, but it's
I mean, to me, that was the takeaway that you
just can't trust the offseason storylines.

Speaker 2 (47:15):
They're usually misleading.

Speaker 9 (47:18):
Which is not to say that all of these guys
aren't going to have a great year, but it certainly
didn't look good in week one, and as you know,
if you fall apart in week one, it takes I
don't know weeks of equity of doing well again to
get everybody's attention again.

Speaker 2 (47:33):
So we'll see. I'm not saying any of it is fair.

Speaker 9 (47:37):
I'm not a quarterback expert, but the guy didn't look
good and neither did Texas overall.

Speaker 2 (47:44):
As an offense.

Speaker 9 (47:45):
Steve Sarkisium is supposed to be a master play caller
and be able to figure that stuff out, which is
why he makes, you know, tens of millions of dollars,
and they didn't. They were not able to figure it out,
which is fine. I mean, it's not the end of
the world. When we talked to Steve Sarkisian whatever. At
the seminar, he was talking about how there's an immense

(48:05):
amount of pressure on the young man, but you know
this is all generated from within as well. So that
was my takeaway that both of those big entities that
we were hammered with did not end up standing up
as a structure.

Speaker 4 (48:22):
Petros, Could it have gone worse for Nico Imalava.

Speaker 2 (48:29):
Well, that's another storyline, you know.

Speaker 9 (48:30):
I mean that would have been the third rights, that
was the third storyline runner up to talk to right
of the year that you know, we had arch Manage
going to be great, Chapel Bill and his girlfriend, and
Nico Iamalaiava and the number one quarterback in the transfer portal, well,
the number one quarterback on the transfer portal last.

Speaker 2 (48:52):
Year didn't perform that well either, and that would have.

Speaker 9 (48:54):
Been Aidan Shiles, who looked better against Western Michigan, but
you look more inconsistent like he was last year in
the second half.

Speaker 2 (49:04):
Now you know they were winning the game and dominating
and all that.

Speaker 9 (49:08):
So I don't know what the takeaway there is because
it's only week one, Like we're saying, you can overreact, but.

Speaker 2 (49:15):
They didn't. They didn't look good.

Speaker 4 (49:18):
Utah out of the gates is kind of a rough
draw now, even though they're not ranked at the time,
like that.

Speaker 9 (49:23):
I mean, your Ucla you know, we can't play Utah
right off the bat, Like what are we talking about? Like,
come on, UCLA football is supposed to be something I
know it's not, but it's supposed to be and it's
it's it's difficult to say, oh my god, well they

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had to play Utah. It's like geez, Utah is very good.
They're well coached. They're a program with an identity. And
if you don't have an identity and you don't know
what you're doing, which is what it looked like defensively,
then you're going to get exposed. One of the things
that stood out to me was everybody talked about how

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great this offensive coordinator, Tino Cinceri from Indiana was going
to be, and what a great night tell he was, Yeah,
the Italian American, and what a mix he would be
with h with the great Nico Iomliava, and how good
the UCLA offense is going to be. I mean, this
guy wasn't even the play caller. This was his first

(50:25):
year calling plays. He was a co offensive coordinator. At Indiana,
but the play caller still there from what I understand,
And this guy came out here, So I'm not saying
he's going to be good or bad, but I mean
we're told all this stuff in the offseason and then
you put it into practice and it looks completely different.

Speaker 2 (50:44):
Now. Is Leek Nico a good quarterback? Yeah, he's good.

Speaker 9 (50:47):
He's talented kid, and I'm sure that he'll write the
ship and they'll get it together.

Speaker 8 (50:52):
Uh.

Speaker 9 (50:53):
UCLA was worse last year and got better as the
season went on.

Speaker 12 (50:59):
Uh.

Speaker 9 (50:59):
If they would have beaten USC and made a bowl game,
people would have been touting Deshaun Foster and they weren't
that far from it. But you got to look less
helpless than that at home against Utah in my very
humble opinion, and they didn't. So I mean that would
have been the third strike on the off season storylines.

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It's a Belichick, arch Manning and Nico, but apparently it's
a big Ico that's the nightmare. The dad is a
real apparently.

Speaker 2 (51:32):
Well, one big improvement was your alma mater, Southern Cow
laying a seventy burger on Missouri State making a statement
sandwid back take care Missouri break.

Speaker 9 (51:47):
Yeah, the USC band put out a The USC band
put out a tweet or something with like a crying
face because Notre Dame lost to Miami in a great
foot game that was courageously scheduled, and that U c
l A lost to Utah and we just discussed that
and they're like, look, we put seventy on Missouri State. Okay,

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really I believe that's yeah.

Speaker 2 (52:14):
I believe that was.

Speaker 9 (52:15):
Murray State's very first game as an FBS team, not
against an FBS team, but as an FBS team.

Speaker 2 (52:25):
So I don't think.

Speaker 9 (52:29):
I don't think i'd take too much away from it,
other than the fact that you go out there and
you work your stuff and you play in front of
people and the points they have a They have a
DJ now at the USC games that drowns out the
band and is completely insufferable. And I know I'm an

(52:49):
old man yelling at a cloud, but I think the
USC the DJ at the USC games is perhaps the
worst thing in the history of the world.

Speaker 2 (52:58):
I mean, you can play a little.

Speaker 9 (52:59):
I'm not mad if you play, you know, MC breed
or something, but I mean the band is the USC.
I mean the band has to be the featured thing
at the football.

Speaker 7 (53:08):
Games, and dude, I would say, next to like as
much as Tennessee plays Rocky Top Southern col playing that
and I don't even know what it's called.

Speaker 2 (53:16):
What's the name of the call the mars. Well, there's
a couple. There's Conquest, that's conquest, that one that's conquest.
So you know what, it reminds me that one.

Speaker 7 (53:26):
Yeah, but it reminds me kind of like the music
you used to hear with Darth Vader, like it was
Imperial March. Yeah, that's what it reminds me of. And
I was always like, that's pretty bad. I hate to
admit that, but oh it is badass.

Speaker 9 (53:38):
I mean, I look, I criticized my alma mater more
than anybody. But if you're if you walk out of
that tunnel in the La Memorial Coliseum there it is,
come on, well that's that's the appearance.

Speaker 2 (53:53):
It kind of reminds me of that. I was like,
you gotta play.

Speaker 4 (54:00):
That's how big college football is in this town. What
we don't even know what Oregon is. They just play
shout going into the fourth quarter and everyone's like, you
know why they play shout? Do you know why they
play shout why because Animal House was shot at.

Speaker 2 (54:21):
Oregon shot there. Yeah. Yeah, the dexter Lake Club. You
know what loves us? Is that a?

Speaker 7 (54:29):
Is that not a great karaoke song? Like I was
thinking of my head out if I had to pick one, Yeah,
if I.

Speaker 2 (54:33):
Had to pick one though, Yeah, here we go. Now
that's one of the drugs.

Speaker 9 (54:42):
No, no, no, no, this is the end of the game.

Speaker 2 (54:45):
That's the fan family.

Speaker 9 (54:46):
Yeahs, you gotta play. You know it's fanfare, right, fanfair
usc Spirit of Troy Marching Band, Fanfair, and I think
that's what it is.

Speaker 2 (55:00):
And fan.

Speaker 9 (55:02):
Here we go, Here we go, just a matching Brady
Quinn warming up, stretching out his cab.

Speaker 2 (55:11):
Yeah. And then Will Ferrell be like, hey, t your
pants are too hot. Your pants are too hot? What
is that? Will Ferrell? Oh?

Speaker 7 (55:22):
Snap, all right, they got movie stars over there.

Speaker 2 (55:25):
That snoop Dogar. Here we go. Here we can turn it. Oh,
here we go? There it is right here. Yeah, that's it,
right here. I can get with this. We was waiting
for it, this one. We was waiting for it.

Speaker 8 (55:40):
That's hard itself.

Speaker 2 (55:43):
Like Darth Davers do hold his sword.

Speaker 9 (55:47):
You know, it's funny what you mentioned Matt Brady because
Williams back to throw intercepted.

Speaker 3 (55:52):
We look got his fingernails, We'll look got him glitzing
while he runs off.

Speaker 9 (55:56):
That's a great tech banker's getting pushed very far off
the line of scrim.

Speaker 2 (56:01):
Were back on the day student. The contrast is, though,
is then you got those cheerleaders.

Speaker 9 (56:08):
That come out and those like nits Bray song girls
sorry whatever, six or.

Speaker 2 (56:15):
Long poozzo dudes, and freaking uh the Irish Guard. Come
get some, come get some?

Speaker 9 (56:21):
Well, by the way the morning to tell you, I
cheer from Notre Dame, right, lad.

Speaker 2 (56:28):
The worst part is petros is.

Speaker 7 (56:30):
As you would imagine in today's day and age, they
no longer have the requirement to be I think it
was six three or taller. They've gotten rid of that.
They wanted to be more inclusive.

Speaker 2 (56:38):
To be a you had to be at least no no, no, no, no.

Speaker 12 (56:41):
No no.

Speaker 7 (56:41):
They're called the Irish Guard.

Speaker 3 (56:44):
Oh yeah, the Irish Guards pretty intimidating the way they
be standing there.

Speaker 2 (56:48):
And in the end of the d I.

Speaker 9 (56:50):
Do remember having one of our teammates whisper in an
Irish guard's ear that he was going to pull up
his skirt.

Speaker 2 (56:56):
And have his way with him. Tang tang. No, but
like that with you out there is going on. You
know the song girls other the other city said in
that way. No he did not. Okay, curious he said,
song girls.

Speaker 9 (57:14):
The song girls don't do like flips or anything like that. No, really,
they just kind of wiggle. Yeah, we don't need to
they under those sweaters.

Speaker 2 (57:24):
Coming from Notre Dame.

Speaker 7 (57:24):
Their very distracted to them. Funny, you guys know it was.
It was a battle to keep certain players.

Speaker 2 (57:31):
Don't worry. None of those girls Notre Dame have cheerleaders.
They got the highrisk. I got those dudes, and they
have Brady's black Leprechaun where gold.

Speaker 9 (57:49):
Yeah, don't be afraid, not be afraid, not be afraid.

Speaker 2 (57:59):
Special lep can whistle to me.

Speaker 4 (58:10):
He Petres. I did want to commend you. I'm not
for not for calling two games this past weekend. Couldn't
be that that was impressive, but just you fighting through
the pangs. I know you're going through a lot seeing
that Kelly Stafford was breaking down how her kids were
bullied because of the Matt Stafford trade rumors.

Speaker 2 (58:28):
You're right about I thought you were.

Speaker 9 (58:29):
Going to be talking about my own personal anxiety problems
which are prevalent, but compared to Kelly Stafford and what
she's dealt with. Yeah, you know, I feel bad. You
know I want to I mean, I want to give
her my therapist to point kids.

Speaker 2 (58:43):
You know, it's just kids and kids and thousand oaks. Yeah.

Speaker 3 (58:46):
Man, Yeah, we heard about I mean, we heard about
childhood actors getting bullied at school.

Speaker 2 (58:53):
You know, so it was really bullying. Nothing. Frey Savage
used to pull up in a limo and take all
our checks every weekend? Did he really that was real bullying? Tang? Uh?

Speaker 12 (59:03):
Yeah, I I what does Fred Savage look like today?

Speaker 9 (59:07):
Have little Jewish guy, the guy with a big mole and.

Speaker 2 (59:12):
Uh we do?

Speaker 1 (59:16):
Who?

Speaker 2 (59:17):
Sweet attitude? Oh? That was that song? Yeah? Are those
the lyrics? To me? A second? A joke cock recover?
That's a Beatles song. It took me a second from
my friends. Nobody says what would we do with a
good attitude? In that song? I don't know. I made

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it up. What's the words? I don't know? Would you do?
That's all I heard when I said Kelly.

Speaker 9 (59:45):
The Kelly Stafford stuff, it's everything, every little thing in
the world of football that people might know about. She
spins into something about herself and it's pretty embarrassing, and then.

Speaker 7 (59:58):
You throw her podcast is for yeah, but otherwise, what's
the podcast about?

Speaker 2 (01:00:04):
How about cancel the podcast? It actually looks exactly the same,
like literally looks exactly.

Speaker 9 (01:00:11):
That's kind of one of the koibles of Child's stardom there,
uh foibles.

Speaker 2 (01:00:16):
Uh he was macking all your hose. Huh uh yeah,
he macked some of our hose. There is no doubt.
Can we roll with that? The headline I spell hose
like like go tigers, you know, yeah, absolutely he was
macking our head.

Speaker 3 (01:00:37):
Uh.

Speaker 9 (01:00:38):
I think when you throw your kids into the story
and portray him as victims. And this is like the
third time she's done this. She did it with blue Face,
and she did it with the Detroit Lione.

Speaker 2 (01:00:48):
To really do it with blue Face, don't you remember
the blue Face?

Speaker 9 (01:00:51):
She was like they were in the Sweet Next Tests
and there carols that their asses at O and he
was like throwing money at their ass.

Speaker 3 (01:01:01):
Oh gosh, and then you kind of throw the was
like mom, we want to go over there and.

Speaker 2 (01:01:10):
Tell me about some house. And remember they were like
we were victimized.

Speaker 9 (01:01:13):
We stood in the crowd at the Lion's game and
we were victimized. You remember that Carissa was like that's right.
They were were like go away, like you know, you're right, Brady.
What would she talk about on the podcast?

Speaker 2 (01:01:27):
I don't know. I thought I thought this was the
genre that she was going for. I mean, remember her
husband can't relate to younger teammates.

Speaker 9 (01:01:35):
I'm not surprised that his back hurts.

Speaker 2 (01:01:39):
Some color on that. If I were him, I would
have a little bit what what exactly what you mean
carrying a heavy load? It feels like he's really got
his shoulder to the wheel, if.

Speaker 9 (01:01:51):
You know what I'm saying over there at the house.
You know, we all have our struggles being in a relationships.

Speaker 2 (01:01:56):
Not easy, but it is. I feel that.

Speaker 9 (01:01:58):
Stafford, Stafford's really he really pulled a real free food.

Speaker 12 (01:02:04):
Ticket there, tang, real free food. It's a study at
this point, who did better? Uh Stafford or Archita or
the cheap oh tang?

Speaker 2 (01:02:14):
Who the cheetah? What cheetah?

Speaker 3 (01:02:18):
I don't know how fast he well, he should be
running away faster now.

Speaker 2 (01:02:21):
You Oh he got uh? Oh he got?

Speaker 3 (01:02:24):
He got seventeen months he was fleeced in a divorce
for seventeen months. Divorce, I mean a marriage seventeen months
kill team, Well, I mean absolutely just rampay that that
the judge is in on it.

Speaker 2 (01:02:40):
And he's such a good guy too. I mean, it
seems like he's just an interesting guy. You know.

Speaker 9 (01:02:45):
I like the BBW model that he had sex with,
and then he was trying to teach her to run
routes and she blew out her knee.

Speaker 2 (01:02:51):
And tried to sue him. Oh god, that's something that
would happen to me. Oh gosh, really blow out her knee. Yeah. Yeah, Actually, these.

Speaker 3 (01:03:01):
Girls are getting bbw's and boob jobs. It's saying their
their you know, their fitness, their fitness consultants, and this.

Speaker 9 (01:03:09):
Was a big girl, okay, And it's like she shouldn't
have been running round. She should have been he should
have been working on past sets time.

Speaker 2 (01:03:16):
Zero technique. That's the unfortunate part.

Speaker 9 (01:03:19):
But yeah, you know it's there's there's been better men
taken down by worse women.

Speaker 2 (01:03:24):
Probably, Okay, but I did see that he was fleeced. Uh.

Speaker 9 (01:03:28):
I don't know who I'd rather be in this situation.
Tyreek Hill, who's walking free. Yeah, but he ain't walking free.
He could he could run that that that that nine
route a little easier now because he's lighter or Matt Stafford.
I mean, imagine what a gift it is every morning
that Matt Stafford wakes up and he knows there's a
new podcast episode.

Speaker 2 (01:03:50):
Can't wait to listen. It's like Christmas every day.

Speaker 7 (01:03:53):
Can I read you the headline, by the way, because
I'm going to look up this this Tyreek Hill incident
to stop.

Speaker 2 (01:04:00):
This is great? Oh no, this is amazing.

Speaker 7 (01:04:04):
Tyreek Hill admits he had to satisfy his tall woman
fetish when he reached out to touch breasts of plus
size only fans model who claims he broke her leg.

Speaker 2 (01:04:17):
That's a huge bit o dag.

Speaker 9 (01:04:23):
It's like you get a plus sized girl to come
over to try to satisfy a fetish for yours, and.

Speaker 2 (01:04:30):
She blows her leg. Tall woman.

Speaker 9 (01:04:35):
It's like when a cow walks up the stairs. You
can't get it back down.

Speaker 2 (01:04:38):
You gotta call people in. It's like the mom on
what he what's he can give her grape? They couldn't
get her down. They just burned the house down.

Speaker 3 (01:04:48):
I mean the picture of her on the crutches is wow.
Cheese man, she's still posing for him for the agy
the pictures on the crutches, that's that's, that's o d.

Speaker 2 (01:04:58):
Every single everybody knows though, I mean everybody knows he
is healthy.

Speaker 9 (01:05:04):
What a tough life it is in Thousand Oaks, and
how tough the kids are out there.

Speaker 7 (01:05:09):
I'm sure it's like our gang and everyone I've known
that's grown up on Thousand Oaks is soft like pudding
that it's just Yeah. They used to tell me, like
there they dodge golf balls. He was saying, like the
scariest thing they heard was.

Speaker 2 (01:05:23):
Four dang, you're not ready for the hato five dang. Yeah.

Speaker 9 (01:05:28):
No, it's tough out there. Yeah, it's evidenced by Kelly Stafford.

Speaker 4 (01:05:31):
You know that's right, Petros. We appreciate it. Which game
you got this week? Are you doing a game this time?
I'm off all right, double duty.

Speaker 9 (01:05:39):
Next week I'm going to uh uh Logan. Oh yeah yeah,
Utah State and uh at air Force visiting Utah State,
So that'll be what.

Speaker 2 (01:05:49):
Air Force going to be this year. They beat up
buck Now pretty good.

Speaker 3 (01:05:53):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:05:53):
I saw that. They took it to buck Now. Brady
Bucknell didn't have a chance. No, no, it was almost
like Miss State almost, I'll welcome to the big leagues
Ki almost exactly. There's there's a seventy burger. Yeah, here's
a seventy burger and a turkey sandwich. Get the FN
of our stadium. Time.

Speaker 9 (01:06:15):
Don't worry. We got Georgia Southern coming into town this week.

Speaker 2 (01:06:18):
I know that's gonna be fun. Man, Clay Helton coming back.

Speaker 9 (01:06:20):
You think Georgia down there, And I did the Georgia
Southern game at Fresno. You know they're staying and uh,
they're gonna stay in uh in.

Speaker 2 (01:06:29):
Aux Greek, Yeah, Nardcore.

Speaker 9 (01:06:32):
They're going to stay in ox Nard at the at
the Cowboys facility over the weekend. And I asked Clay Helton,
I said, well, where would you have stayed at ox
Nart said no, and we'd have had to go to
Calu in thousand oh yeah. And then he said, you
know how much you can get bullied in that town?

Speaker 2 (01:06:46):
I hope.

Speaker 9 (01:06:49):
But Matt Ans, the Fresno coach, like they tried to
throw the ball with E. J. Warner early in the game,
and he started like throwing picks and we had like
a picture of Kurt and a stand looking a mad
and then in the second half matt Enz just ran them.

Speaker 2 (01:07:04):
Over, like ran them over.

Speaker 9 (01:07:07):
They gave up like four hundred yards rushing like he
ran the picks.

Speaker 2 (01:07:11):
Came against Kansas to right that first game.

Speaker 9 (01:07:14):
Yeah, yeah, he's had some decision making problems.

Speaker 2 (01:07:17):
Well that was even before he got to Fresno State.
He was throwing a lot of picks.

Speaker 12 (01:07:21):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, but they got their ass run over.

Speaker 2 (01:07:28):
Who wants to get their ass ran They really were physical,
took it to us. You think they still got that
gulf who on campus? No, I don't know.

Speaker 9 (01:07:42):
He could maybe take a visit, but will maybe USC
will run the ball at him.

Speaker 2 (01:07:46):
We'll see. Yeah, I'd like to see that.

Speaker 4 (01:07:49):
Get him on X at the old p Petros Papavegasy
cos of the Petros and Money show.

Speaker 2 (01:07:54):
Which you can hear.

Speaker 4 (01:07:54):
Hey, Arch will rise again five seven, right sports Petros,
we appreciate it.

Speaker 2 (01:08:00):
Arts will rise again. Yeah,