Best of 2 Pros and a Cup of Joe

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Speaker 1 (00:02):
It is the best of two pros and a couple.
Joe with Lamar Rings and rating Win and Jonas Knox
on radio.

Speaker 2 (00:13):
Good Morning, how we feeling?

Speaker 3 (00:15):
What?

Speaker 4 (00:16):
What are they watching on TV? Whose Day? Lorena Coop? Uh,
I'm not going to throw lee in on it, but god,
what is you should?

Speaker 5 (00:29):
All right?

Speaker 2 (00:29):
Well?

Speaker 4 (00:30):
Yeah, I mean Big Ben has to see it on
very disturbing television.

Speaker 2 (00:38):
There's lots going on on that TV. It's like, uh,
I mean, what are y'all watching? Man, Let's find out.

Speaker 5 (00:48):
I mean it looks like a rob zombie movie.

Speaker 2 (00:49):
I think like a House of a Thousand Corpses or
something like that. That joint was called what you guys like, Godzilla? Godzilla?

Speaker 5 (01:02):
Black Zilla? Good morning everyone?

Speaker 2 (01:07):
Yeah, good morning. Stix is back. Welcome back, Snicks. Hello,
He's back, all right?

Speaker 5 (01:16):
Hello all?

Speaker 2 (01:17):
And Baker Mayfield's back too.

Speaker 5 (01:20):
All right?

Speaker 2 (01:21):
Then, damn Baker Mayfield.

Speaker 5 (01:23):
Tampa Bay is back.

Speaker 2 (01:24):
When when there's a play to be made, just leave
it in the hands or the feet of Baker Mayfield
on a fourth down to continue a drive as Tampa
Bay wins it on the road and screws you know,
some people who had Houston minus two and a half
with that, with that, but then we money lined them.

Speaker 6 (01:42):
Well, they were favorited so that it's not possible though,
Lee Lee did put that in there. He made sure
you allowed to money line. Yeah, so what was their favorite?
You can't bully lot them.

Speaker 5 (01:53):
Houston wasn't were they? Yeah, they're at Hope. They're favored
by two and a half.

Speaker 4 (01:58):
I thought it was the bucks the bucket game, but Lee, Yeah,
I was wrong.

Speaker 5 (02:03):
I don't Lease tipped the bottle back a little bit. Yeah,
Lee definitely said. Lee's like, yeah, buddy, I'll put you
definitely bundy line for Houston.

Speaker 4 (02:11):
Yeah, buddy, Lee's being outsmarted by the technology that's in
front of him.

Speaker 5 (02:17):
And so.

Speaker 2 (02:19):
No, he's Lee's got this down like he's a master.
There's a lot going on here streaming wise, with all
the different gadgets and whatnot, and uh Lee Lee has
figured this whole thing out, like he's got it set
up and.

Speaker 5 (02:33):
We are we are good to go five minutes into
the show.

Speaker 2 (02:38):
Yeah, but it's better than ten. And also, it's hard
to work when you've.

Speaker 4 (02:41):
Got always try to find a positive.

Speaker 2 (02:43):
It's hard to work when you've got you know, different
orgies and a church scene on a TV in the
studio here.

Speaker 4 (02:50):
There's a lot, a lot that's happening here, But seems
as though they thought that that would be the end
of the movie. After the big orgy and him was
hit some tidy white. He's had the way up his
ass with his strap and in the front wise alleviating
himself for the for the morning.

Speaker 2 (03:09):
Can I ask you something, is the safety on that
uh yeah, that gap that you've got right there? Okay,
because you set that thing down and it's.

Speaker 4 (03:17):
Like, I'll use it like his live Yeah, well then
you should always assume it all. Shouts out the buddy
that I gave a jumpstart to this morning too. I
made it in on time. I told him I couldn't
help him because I had to get in and do radio.
He's like, hey, you know what radio station? He's like, man,

(03:38):
you know Fox Sports Radio. He's like, okay, was he Canadian?

Speaker 5 (03:42):
No? No? What was he?

Speaker 7 (03:48):
Oh?

Speaker 2 (03:48):
By the way, happy Mexican Independence, State of you guys
for my family to yours.

Speaker 5 (03:52):
I thought that was bo no no, no, no.

Speaker 2 (03:54):
Tank about Mexico.

Speaker 5 (03:56):
Mexico.

Speaker 4 (03:59):
Thank you, Jared Jerry. Jerry's partying this week. He feels
good for one week he's got a kicker, that's for certain.

Speaker 2 (04:07):
Yeah, Golden Domer.

Speaker 5 (04:09):
By the way, how about it Brandon Aubrey kick.

Speaker 2 (04:14):
So that being said, uh, last night's game Tampa Bay
and Houston, I'm not gonna rush to conclusions on Houston.
Tampa Bay's better than I thought they'd be and a
Mecca book seems like he's the goods.

Speaker 5 (04:30):
You didn't think Tampa was going to be good?

Speaker 2 (04:31):
I just I picked Atlanta to win that division. He did, so, Yeah,
did you pick or Tampa?

Speaker 5 (04:39):
You went with Tampa? Right? I had Tampa.

Speaker 6 (04:41):
Yeah, yeah, I got Tampa winning it easily. The team
try to stay away from Jonas's advice.

Speaker 4 (04:48):
You know, I did think that Tech the Texans would
get that game last night, though I didn't think that.

Speaker 5 (04:54):
They dropped to in a row. I thought that they
would get it.

Speaker 4 (04:58):
They were at home like that a really big victory
for Tampa Bay to go on the road against the
team that Listen, they lost the first game, but I
thought that they would be good enough to rebound and
at least win at home. Even though I think Tampa
Bay is a good team, I just thought that Detexans
would be better than them at home. I guess it

(05:18):
wasn't sound reasoning, But I don't if you're saying, in
terms of Tampa what they are. My biggest question coming
out of that game is what is what are the Texans?

Speaker 5 (05:31):
I'm not sure.

Speaker 4 (05:32):
I mean, they they were a double digit win team
a year ago and made it to the playoffs, and
I mean they were competitive in that game. They I
think I believe they lost in the first round, right,
but I mean I thought that they were pretty competitive.

Speaker 2 (05:46):
The argers so they went to they I mean.

Speaker 4 (05:51):
So they just didn't look as good last year as
they did the year before, even though they had a
good year by all intensive purposes.

Speaker 5 (06:03):
I don't know.

Speaker 4 (06:04):
Maybe they're trending down, but I feel like it's too
early to come to that conclusion. But and they could
have won the game. I mean, they kind of had
the game one, they did have it, and then they didn't.

Speaker 2 (06:16):
Their their old lines a little bit leaves a little
bit to be desired. Still trying to figure out why
they decided to move on from Laramie Tunsil.

Speaker 5 (06:25):
They can't run the football.

Speaker 6 (06:26):
I mean, if you look at some of the teams
right now that are winning at least through the first
couple of weeks. Most of them have some sort of
a seblance of a run game. Yeah, if you can't
run the ball, you're struggled.

Speaker 4 (06:38):
Right though, Yeah, I mean running does win championships. Got
to have a backfield, even though they've desensitized people to
the run game into running backs. Your boy looked pretty
good last night from uh the Raiders?

Speaker 5 (07:00):
His name? Oh am I blanking or Crosby.

Speaker 4 (07:02):
No, that's the end o the running back the rookie
gent gent asketon gent here you go.

Speaker 2 (07:10):
He didn't look bad. Why are they playing?

Speaker 4 (07:12):
More like they take him out for like put him
in there for like two, take him out for like five, six, seven,
eight plays.

Speaker 6 (07:21):
I don't think they put him in much for the
passing places because he might not know the protection quite
as well.

Speaker 5 (07:26):
M okay m hm.

Speaker 2 (07:30):
So uh, well, we do know that Baker Mayfield very
fired up following another road win for the Tampa Bay Buccaneers.
That's two on the road, two or no to start
the year. Yeah, and uh an old Baker Mayfield, mister
not good enough to be a Cleveland Brown.

Speaker 4 (07:49):
The Cleveland Browns ain't good enough to be Cleveland Brown. Jeez,
I do love that on a two minute drill.

Speaker 6 (07:56):
He has to like save time to talk trash after
he runs for a first out. There's there's like, you know,
a minute left and you know he'll run for a
first time if he turned around, yapp and it's someone,
it's great. It's like every single drive he's got to
save about eight seconds to talk trash when he gets up.

Speaker 5 (08:11):
It's awesome. CJ. Gardner.

Speaker 2 (08:13):
Johnson gets into a skirmish or some sort of an
altercation every game he's played in his NFL career, and
it doesn't matter what team, it doesn't matter where he goes.
Every single game there's some sort of an altercation with him.

Speaker 5 (08:25):
How do you think that is?

Speaker 2 (08:26):
I don't know. He just and there was when he
was at the Saints, Michael Thomas and him got into
a brawl and practice because he just cannot stop. When
he won a Super Bowl with Philly and was taking
shots at Philly afterwards, and then he was you know,
he was the guy who was wearing the T shirt
talking about Taylor Swift after the Eagles won last.

Speaker 5 (08:48):
Year, taking shots at Casey.

Speaker 2 (08:50):
Well, yeah he does, but he takes shot shots at everybody.

Speaker 4 (08:53):
So he took shots at his own team equal opportunity.

Speaker 2 (08:56):
He just sees he's going at everybody, and so last
night he was going to Baker Mayfield a little bit.

Speaker 5 (09:00):
They called the cab bed.

Speaker 2 (09:02):
Okay, anybody can get it, that's all right, But here
was here was Baker post game.

Speaker 8 (09:07):
In these two minute close games, we were not on
the right side of things for the past couple of years,
and it's good to see that we haven't even played
close to our best ball in all three phases and
we're still finding ways to win on the road. And
that's that's really important, is to not count lose sight
of that we're finding ways to win. But also we
do need to get things fixed some of these games.

(09:28):
We can make it easier on ourselves and try and
put teams a way earlier. But that this is a
good team that we played, so it's we expected a
hard fought battle. But yeah, it's it's nice to be
on the right side of it.

Speaker 2 (09:38):
So two and zero two home games coming up next.
They got the Jets in the Eagles, both in Tampa Bay,
and so things are at least looking like they're heading
early on in the right direction for the Buccaneers, who
maybe maybe one of those sleeper teams outside Philadelphia.

Speaker 5 (09:54):
That could be making some noise in the NFC, which.

Speaker 2 (09:58):
At this point outside in Philadelphia, I would say, maybe
what the Rams, the Bucks, Like, there's some teams within
the periphery, and we'll get into the injuries and all that,
you know, with with Jayden Daniels and whatnot. But it
feels like Philly, Green Bay, Tampa, like those are the
teams that you look at and go, all right, they'll

(10:18):
probably be making noise later in the year in the NFC,
at least.

Speaker 5 (10:21):
I don't. I don't feel like Tampa is a super
Bowl team super Bowl.

Speaker 4 (10:25):
No.

Speaker 5 (10:25):
I feel like they're good, but super Bowl I don't.

Speaker 4 (10:29):
I think there's like a next level of good that's
from Tampa.

Speaker 5 (10:33):
What are they missing that makes you say that, I.

Speaker 4 (10:36):
Don't know they I mean they, I mean it might be,
it might be a combination of things, culmination. I'm not
all the way in on Baker Mayfield as a super
Bowl quarterback. I'm not sure. I'm not certain he can
carry them carry that load all the way to the
super Bowl. And I still have question. I mean, the defense,

(11:00):
it's pretty good. I mean, they did really well against
the Texans, but I want to see. I want to
see them in a game. I want to see how
they play in a game like that. I think that
was a good team. But again I came away with
more questions surrounding the Texans than I did Tampa Bay.
I thought it was a quality win for Tampa. Like
I said, they went on the road to get it.

(11:22):
But does that, in my mind make them I'm putting
them in the conversation with Green Bay or with Philadelphia.
I mean, even Detroit had a really really nice bounce
back week. I mean it was against the Beers, so
I don't know how much to put into it, but
it was a good bounce back. I don't know that
I want to put Tampa Bay in in that conversation

(11:46):
just yet. But the Texans, I mean, it was a
quiet game for CJ. Stroud, and I wonder is it
going to be a quiet year for CJ.

Speaker 5 (11:55):
Stroud.

Speaker 4 (11:55):
It was a quiet game for the Texans, and maybe
the narrative is different if they won the game. But
I mean they they didn't even break twenty points. I
think you game, yeah, I mean they were he was,
he was, and like you said, he was under pressure.
They they couldn't establish a run game to get the

(12:16):
pressure up off of them. How does that? How does
that work? I mean Nick Chubb had a nice little
the nice little run. But for the most part, I
mean there was not there was not an established run
game that that loosened the defense up. I just I
don't know how good this Texans team is. And I
left the game with that as more of a question

(12:37):
more than anything else.

Speaker 6 (12:39):
It's funny too, it looked like the Chubb run, they're
just trying to set up a field goal, you know. Then
it kind of broke where he was able to break
a tackle get the end zone. So it kind of
was what it was.

Speaker 2 (12:48):
But is Stroud in comparison to his rookie year doesn't
look like the same quarterback. Is it just the surrounding pieces?
Is it just the protection? The run game? Jill Mixing
is out for you know, extended period of time with
the you know, the issues he had in the offseason
with the foot or the ankle or whatever it was.

(13:10):
You know, he was a thousand yard back last year.
He was he was, you know, a key ingredient last year.
Is it just not being able to run the ball?
You know?

Speaker 5 (13:19):
Is it the film there?

Speaker 4 (13:21):
There could be you know, to me, when you have
success so early and so so quickly, it's like you
burst onto the scene. There's not really a whole lot
of reference points to how that quarterback is going to
be used. So if he comes out and he's efficient
and he's effective with the things that he's doing, I
mean he was able to ride it out for an

(13:42):
entire season. But you know, once you get film on people,
like even looking at the game with Jaydon Daniels, Like,
once you start to get film on people, the reality
of it is is that the greatness of a quarterback
and those moments are they're still able to figure it out,
just like the defenses are trying to figure it out
to have that success against defenses because they're going to

(14:04):
be prepared for the tendencies that that quarterback shows. So
to me, it's a matter of can c. J. Stroud
adjusts to what defenses are doing to prepare for him.
And everybody doesn't always have the type of personnel to
be able to deploy or execute the type of game
plans that could, you know, like what they did against

(14:25):
Jaydon Daniels in that Green Bay game. You know, everybody
doesn't have a defensive front with that amount of talent there,
you're going to have to be creative and the things
that you do. Kansas City was creative in the way
that they played against Jalen Hurtson and the Eagles. It
didn't equate to them winning the game, but nonetheless, the
game plan was really sound and it was pretty solid.

(14:45):
It's just a matter of can these quarterbacks, you know,
once the book is out on you, can you adjust?
Can you adapt enough to be able to continue to
have those high levels of success that you were having
before they even knew who you were?

Speaker 6 (14:58):
My take on it, at least may have a different
one on it. No, I think, you know, there's there's
some of that. There's just a lack of protection overall.
It's it's tough to get back there. If you can't
you know, get settled. But I also think there's an
element of you know, that's part of playing in the
NFL is you're not gonna play from a bunch of
clean pockets. You're gonna be able to adapt and adjust.

(15:22):
I do think they missed some of those pieces people
are talked about, but you know, by and large, you
know he's gonna have to deal with getting hit, getting
knocked down, getting back up and playing again. Like it's
it's not gonna be the clean pockets he end in college.
It's not gonna be you know, a lot of what
he has a rookie, and that's gonna be one of

(15:45):
the biggest difference makers. So you know, look, I think
they'll be fine. They'll still be in the hut the
FC South, even though they're would see in my opinion,
I just don't see Anianapolis maintaining what they're doing. But uh,
he's They've got some work to do, there's no doubt.
But they've got to establish a run game at sub point.
You know, you you can't. You can't keep making this

(16:07):
seem one dimensional. I think you're gonna come out on top.

Speaker 5 (16:11):
To allow a.

Speaker 4 (16:13):
Late heroic touchdown at the end of the game doesn't
doesn't help either.

Speaker 9 (16:19):
Man.

Speaker 5 (16:20):
I just.

Speaker 4 (16:22):
I don't know when you got when you have so
little time left and you have to get the ball
into the end zone, that that should one hundred percent
be in the defense's favor. Two minute drill where you
got to score, I think that should go in favor
of the defense, not the offense.

Speaker 6 (16:40):
They had a lot of time though, I mean they
had they had three timeouts.

Speaker 3 (16:44):
And.

Speaker 2 (16:45):
Yeah, I get it. I still think that if you have.

Speaker 6 (16:48):
If you have four stoppages and four downs, that that's
a pretty big help.

Speaker 4 (16:55):
I still think that that's that's to the favor of
the defense. To minute drill to right there, I think
it's to the advantage of the old school I mean
old school.

Speaker 5 (17:05):
That's what I'd like to believe. I mean, now, that's
that's that old school defensive. Town is different. But yeah,
you guys are screwed up. You gotta get I mean,
they made it look like we are.

Speaker 6 (17:17):
They made it a rule changes to man on top
of all that everything the favorite.

Speaker 4 (17:23):
I mean, I'm looking forward to the rule change that said, yep,
automatic touchdown in this situation, throw the flag, automatic touchdown.

Speaker 5 (17:32):
What do you mean he's that old cat defensive Uh,
you know.

Speaker 4 (17:37):
I've seen so many horrible non calls on lineman. Linemen
are running a muck in the National Football League right now.
Oh my gosh, they are running. They are running a
fing muck right now. Just someone that you said college too, Yeah,

(17:59):
you do. I seen and one dude on a run
play and it was a pretty important play, grabs the
dude from behind, hooks his arms pulls him back to
keep him from getting to the runner. You're right in
front of the referees. I mean, bro, I don't even
know what you call that.

Speaker 2 (18:18):
That's not it.

Speaker 4 (18:19):
I mean, you could call a hold, but it was.
It was so it was so much worse than just.

Speaker 5 (18:26):
A regular hole.

Speaker 2 (18:26):
Do you think the official Saunder is like, you know what?
That was so egregious, the fact that he had the
balls to do that right in front of me. I'm
gonna let's slide.

Speaker 5 (18:33):
You see it every play though.

Speaker 4 (18:35):
I'm telling you, dudes be getting grabbed up, i mean
yoked up every play. It's almost like they it's like
you have two meetings. The meeting with the entire team
where you tell the defense what what's gonna happen and
how they're more screwed, and then the one where the
defense thinks that they're getting away early because they're not
as important, Like, ah, you guys are good. You could
go meet, go to the dining hall, whatever it is.

(18:56):
We gotta sit with the offense. They got a few
more rules we got to go over. Yeah, a lot
of things that they need to understand because of the
complexities of offense. Then the defensive guys leave the room
and then they start laughing like listen, ain't no whole
lot to tell you. Just uh, you know, if it's
a fourth, third and long, whatever, just throw the ball up.

Speaker 5 (19:15):
Will take care of you.

Speaker 4 (19:16):
If you need to run the game, you need to
hold somebody to pop a run, just hold them. But
try not to do it every single play, guys, Just
at least try to limit it.

Speaker 5 (19:27):
Okay, we're good here.

Speaker 4 (19:28):
Okay, good you guys, go get your food, go break
down meetings now too. There you go, boom done telling
you on everything. I think offensive guys are told to
break the rules.

Speaker 2 (19:39):
So that Yeah, that's that old.

Speaker 5 (19:42):
School, old head.

Speaker 6 (19:43):
I wish we could hear you out there too, that
because you'd be out there like they're that two minutes.
All right, come on down, boys, we got this, We
got this.

Speaker 5 (19:52):
This this is our favorite.

Speaker 6 (19:53):
They gotta throw while Baker be across the lines laughing
at you.

Speaker 4 (19:57):
I gotta be sitting there like we're gonna hit this
little bitch in the mouth, like let's go, And I'd
be sitting there saying it right in his face, like
we're gonna hit him in the mouth. They gotta throw
the ball. They got to throw the ball. All right,
here we go. All right, old man, watch this.

Speaker 2 (20:11):
I'm gonna be looking over here.

Speaker 4 (20:12):
There's there's strong side there it is, there's here's where
they want to go, fellas, here's where they look over here,
here's where they.

Speaker 5 (20:18):
Want to go. Watch the slant on the backside. Watch
he look at you and say, hey, hey, old man,
you know Candace.

Speaker 4 (20:27):
Yeah, And I'm gonna be looking at him and be
like you about to catch two hundred and fifty five
pounds of pissed off.

Speaker 5 (20:34):
N word up your ass. That's what you can you know,
can't answer the question. Here's a question, old man. Oh gosh,
who's Candace? Who's your mouth? There we go, there we go.

Speaker 4 (20:48):
I'll be sitting there and you know what, I would
have been so mad at our our blitzers, like why
are you over running him? Like there were two guys
that could have got him, one in particular, that all
he had to do was slow his steps down and
be a hero. That's all he had to do. Like
what are you running that fast for? He's already he's

(21:11):
already locked into the pocket. You know, he has to
throw the ball. What are you just I The one
thing that I dislike the most when a defensive coordinator
believes and trust a safety or a secondary guy to
execute a blitz is that they leave their feet. A

(21:34):
lot of times they run so hard and so fast, like, oh,
I'm getting a blitz. I get the blitz, and they
run so hard and they run so fast, Like, Bro,
you're smaller than the dude you're running up on first
and foremost, Like, don't run in there like that. Slow
your feet down and get a hold of his arms. Like,

(21:54):
even if you're not strong enough to just get him
down to the ground, you getting a hold of him
is going to help the defense. Somebody is going to
help you get them down. Don't miss them. You got
one job to do. Run and get the quarterback and
don't miss them. Weird, man, I was so upset.

Speaker 2 (22:17):
That was so upset. I was upset for Tampa.

Speaker 4 (22:20):
I was upset, I mean not for Tampa, for for
for the Texans. I was so upset that Blitzer just
going to just drop on the ground.

Speaker 6 (22:29):
Were you more upset about the money line that I
did have?

Speaker 5 (22:33):
Lee? What is it? Do you have the list? We
called the games?

Speaker 2 (22:37):
What what and a half? And I did money line
in it? Right?

Speaker 5 (22:43):
You can't money light a favorite.

Speaker 4 (22:44):
Right, But I must have got it the wrong way,
because on everything, I felt like I picked the Texans
the way.

Speaker 6 (22:49):
The worst part is that allowed you to have it,
you know. He was probably a couple of beers back.

Speaker 2 (22:54):
Hey, but I was on the road, so it was
I was a little distracted. But yeah, you're right, trull
on the road. What do you mean you're on the road.

Speaker 10 (23:06):
I was driving, well, I think I was driving or something.
I was making my way somewhere and I was like, oh,
I gotta get Vard.

Speaker 5 (23:12):
I can't remember something that happened twenty four hours ago.

Speaker 2 (23:14):
I was on the road.

Speaker 5 (23:15):
I'm telling you.

Speaker 10 (23:15):
I was on the road, and I remember I had
to text Bar. I was like, oh, yeah, the game starts.
I gotta get VARs picks before kick off. So I
texted him and I just.

Speaker 2 (23:25):
Marked definitely said Texans money line. Yeah, correcting that right now.
That whole money line thing is completely thrown a wrench
and it totally has Yeah, the integrity is gone.

Speaker 5 (23:37):
Is that just because ja?

Speaker 2 (23:42):
Yeah, Hey, let me tell you my school at all.

Speaker 4 (23:45):
Hey, you ain't got no tooth chipping ability and you're
in your repertoire.

Speaker 2 (23:49):
We get to break, you'll find out what a sissy is.
I tell you that right now.

Speaker 5 (23:53):
What does that mean? Forward? Whoop your ass quick? No,
that ain't happening.

Speaker 4 (24:00):
Oh you see that. You see that horns right there.
You said you want to see if it's on safety
or on active. All right, go ahead. If you're feeling froggy,
wyn't you jump?

Speaker 2 (24:08):
Try me if you want to. You do know you've
threatened me on air.

Speaker 5 (24:12):
Now.

Speaker 4 (24:13):
So if I bust a cap in your ass right now,
it's it's legit, it's legal.

Speaker 5 (24:17):
I bought tea var I'm out here for this hostility. Yeah,
what are you doing?

Speaker 2 (24:20):
It's messed up man.

Speaker 5 (24:21):
Well that's why I carry this joint that counts a
pick against the spread? Is that what that was? Yes?

Speaker 2 (24:27):
Pick against the thread?

Speaker 5 (24:29):
Man.

Speaker 2 (24:30):
You guys have ruined it by the way.

Speaker 10 (24:33):
Sure, off you gotta you gotta look at all the
all the money lines. That's why it's off. That's why
it looks so many.

Speaker 5 (24:40):
He doesn't lose more points.

Speaker 2 (24:42):
Yes, yeah, we decided.

Speaker 4 (24:44):
So this was the new rule that we decided on
is if you can get two points for for money
you get, you get what you lose one for losing.

Speaker 2 (24:54):
Told you you lose one.

Speaker 5 (24:56):
For losing, Well, you you always lost one.

Speaker 4 (24:59):
Well you don't. If you don't gain anything, you don't
gain anything. You so you win to you lose one,
you lose.

Speaker 5 (25:06):
It's always how it was?

Speaker 2 (25:08):
No, yes, is like any other loss?

Speaker 5 (25:12):
What do you mean how anything?

Speaker 10 (25:15):
It's worth two if you put money line, it's worth too,
whether it's a win or a loss.

Speaker 4 (25:19):
Yeah, but we said if you lose, you lose one.
If you lose, you just don't get one. You're you're
stuck where you're at, Like, I chose two games, I
get one right, one wrong, instead of it being one
and one.

Speaker 5 (25:33):
You're like, you lose more the points right, it's the points.

Speaker 2 (25:36):
You guys have mudded the waters.

Speaker 6 (25:38):
I feel confessed. It's not that complicated. I understand what
we're trying to say. The part is not saying right.

Speaker 5 (25:42):
Yeah, I'm not. I didn't say it right.

Speaker 4 (25:45):
You're not supposed to lose a point for not getting
a pick right.

Speaker 5 (25:49):
You just didn't get it right. Right. Oh, you still
lose a point.

Speaker 2 (25:53):
You still lose a point.

Speaker 5 (25:54):
Yeah, Okay, goes the l column.

Speaker 4 (25:56):
You're right, it goes into al cars when you just
too right.

Speaker 5 (26:01):
That's why. Yeah, exactly.

Speaker 2 (26:03):
I'm not pitching about anything. I told you guys you
were mudding the waters by adding money.

Speaker 5 (26:06):
You're losing right now your last place.

Speaker 4 (26:09):
Hey ran them money line too, by the way, you
wow while we're at it. Just so, since we're outing
people right now, you money lined the game like.

Speaker 2 (26:18):
Oh knocks, Well let me change mine, you Jack Squad.
I gotta say I didn't money line anything.

Speaker 4 (26:25):
We just talked for half an hour. I mean we
should be on satellite radio. Oh god, my gosh, well,
holy smokes.

Speaker 1 (26:35):
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Speaker 2 (27:19):
All Right, we got problems in the NFL. We got injuries.
The war of attrition has started, in particular at the
quarterback position around the National Football League, real problems, most
notably Joe Burrow. He is going to have surgery on

(27:40):
his toe issue, his turf toe that he suffered a
Grade three I believe it is. It looks like he's
going to miss three months. Depending on where they're at
in the season, maybe this is a season ender for
Joe Burrow. Here was the head coach of the Bengals,
Zach Taylor, talking about their situation.

Speaker 5 (27:58):
That we're two and oh.

Speaker 13 (27:59):
We got a lot of great energy right now. There's
a lot of things that we can clean up with
our football team that would be better going forward. We
have not put our best foot forward yet and so
that's what's exciting is that we found a way to
be and oh right now, and we still haven't even
played our best best football collectively.

Speaker 2 (28:15):
So did they not give him the update on Joe
Burrow when he did that?

Speaker 5 (28:18):
In ye, he was aware.

Speaker 2 (28:20):
He's got it. He's got to keep it optimistic though,
you know, it's got to give him hope. Okay, I
mean you haven't put your best foot forward?

Speaker 4 (28:27):
Was that was he like? Was that cat? Was he
giving a little bit of uh what's that called? Uh? Yeah,
I mean like Joe Burrow hurt his foot you're talking
about we haven't put our best foot forward yet.

Speaker 2 (28:41):
Well, oh, you think he's taking a shot at him.

Speaker 5 (28:43):
No, he's not taking a shot.

Speaker 4 (28:45):
I just thought it was coincidental that he would use
that as the catchphrase of what he was saying.

Speaker 2 (28:51):
It seems like if they haven't played their best football yet,
it seems like it would be hard to play their
best football without Joe Burrow.

Speaker 4 (28:56):
There, You're not going to play your best football without
Joe Burrow. I think that's the point.

Speaker 6 (29:00):
Well, I think we know that. The question is more
is the team though? Can they step up out around
the quarterback position? And that's all parties involved? I mean,
is there you know, anyone else who's going to show
out too?

Speaker 5 (29:14):
Not just the team? You know, for these upcoming games.
It's a great opportunity for whoever gets it. But I
think it's an all snow At outfit.

Speaker 4 (29:22):
It's a very very tall task, very very high heel
to climb. Whoever gets it. That's what I say. Yeah,
I don't know, man, I don't know. As you got
a lot of fire power there, I mean, you gotta believe.
I mean, there is this thing called the backup quarterback.

(29:42):
When you have a backup, the backup is considered to
be the person that should be next up and should
be used in situations where a guy gets injured, like
that's why you get a backup. You don't have them
for many other reasons. So I just wonder are they
going to to try to find somebody on the market
and bring them in or are they going to trust

(30:04):
that the backup has has the ability to be able
to lead them. Either way, I think that this is
totally a handicapping of their season. I mean, they weren't
good when he was injured before. I don't suspect that
they're going to be good with them being injured now.
I mean not talk about losing the catalysts of why

(30:25):
you're good. That's just that's a devastating blow if you're
a Cincinnati Bengals.

Speaker 5 (30:29):
I still think he's they got a shot, you know.

Speaker 6 (30:32):
I still think if Jay Brown could do some of
the things we've seen him, do you know some of
the things can be he's been able to pull off
in his life.

Speaker 5 (30:38):
I think he's got a shot.

Speaker 2 (30:39):
I really do, Okay, I mean, if they're in contention
and it's week seventeen, and that's about what we're looking
at here.

Speaker 4 (30:52):
I mean, maybe for no reason to bring him back.
If he's going to be out that long, there's no
reason to bring him back.

Speaker 2 (30:58):
But you would have a couple of weeks and then
the playoffs if they make the playoffs, and and all
of a sudden, now you get Joe Burrow back for
a potential playoff round. Like there's a chance they just
have to tread water and just survive in.

Speaker 4 (31:13):
Advance in these games until then. I don't see it
that way. I think that's your your franchise guy. If
he has an injury that's going to keep him out
literally the entire regular season, the entire season you got
you just got to make a tough choice here, And

(31:34):
to me, I think that airing on the side of
of of caution versus trying to rush him back, which
it would be considered a rush if it took the
entire season for him to come back. But again, if
you're good enough to make it that far. Why why
what are y'all doing?

Speaker 5 (31:51):
Man?

Speaker 2 (31:52):
Just why why would you just just researching?

Speaker 5 (31:58):
No reason for him to be in a rush back?

Speaker 2 (32:00):
No, that here's researching Jake Browning And oh that's what
JB means.

Speaker 4 (32:07):
Okay, I think he's more than qualified to be the
backup if you ask me and listen. He knows how
to complete a pass. That's that much is clear. So
let's talk more about JB versus uh the other JB.
I guess let's switch JB's because he clearly knows how

(32:31):
to get the ball downfield.

Speaker 2 (32:32):
Yeah, okay, I'm with you and all the way with you,
and I just think that's really the professional approach that
should be taken here is is what do we uh
you know, what do we make up their chances to
uh to continue on?

Speaker 5 (32:46):
Uh bless.

Speaker 2 (32:51):
Kind of bless you, sir. Elsewhere, the Minnesota Vikings and
Kevin O'Connell uh did have it an now smith on
their quarterback JJ McCarthy, who struggled the early portion of
his debut against the Bears on Monday night. He struggled
last week or this past Sunday night against the Falcons,

(33:11):
And now it looks like JJ McCarthy is going to
miss some time. Here was Kevin O'Connell's head coach explaining
it away.

Speaker 3 (33:17):
I would anticipate we are not planning on having him
for Sunday and don't likely see this being any kind
of short term I are thing, but I do want
to see and Tyler and the group want to see
how he responds, you know, to treatment this week.

Speaker 2 (33:33):
So Carson Wentz step right up. There's your backup in
Minnesota for the bikes to get an opportunity to work
underneath the Kevin O'Connell as JJ McCarthy's going to miss
two to four weeks.

Speaker 4 (33:46):
He wasn't setting the world on fire, but I mean
he's going to lose valuable time to build experience to
see if they can make a run of it. Yeah,
you know, they might even be better with Carson Wentz
in there. To be honest with you, you know, you
never know, but go, I'll let you out defer to
you on Well.

Speaker 5 (34:03):
It's interesting.

Speaker 6 (34:04):
So when prisc goes on yesterday, are you know he
has this whole yah?

Speaker 5 (34:09):
What yah? Yeah? These quoting they just provot back to
who they are.

Speaker 6 (34:16):
So my thing is that that doesn't make it fun
like that doesn't make it fun for a great story.
And also it's ignorant to the fact that you know,
every quarterback you'd say they are what they are, but
they could be something greater than what you think if
they're in a good system and a good situation. You know,

(34:37):
and you can have callus head coaches I've talked to,
we always talked about this. The situation circumstance you enter
into largely dictates your career more so than everything else,
more so than talent, more so than.

Speaker 5 (34:50):
Coach, more so than all that.

Speaker 6 (34:53):
So if you go to a good organization, you're gonna
have a better shot of showcase yourself. Now, Carson Wentz
initially went to a good organization, he played at times
as an MVP before getting hurt, and a team that
went on to win a Super Bowl.

Speaker 5 (35:08):
You know.

Speaker 6 (35:08):
Unfortunately, they you know, went their separate ways and he's
been kind of trying to find himself since then. This
is that opportunity. He's on a really good team, a
team that I think we'd all say is a playoff
caliber team. Maybe what with the right quarterback play that
could go to Super Bowl. You know, you look at
Mac Jones, We talked about how well, how good he looked,

(35:29):
and you know, people can try to say and didn't
defend brock Purty, all they want if mac Jones goes
in there and plays exactly how brock Purty has. The
only thing that tells us is, you know, maybe they
people were off on brock party and where they were
drafting him, you know. But also it tells us a
little bit about the fact that it's a Kyle Shanahan system.
They have talent there. He'll allow that quarterback to go

(35:49):
have success and be able to you know, have success
where really, mac Jones has only been in one one
year one situation in New England where he was able
to play the way people thought he was capable of.

Speaker 5 (35:59):
He was a Pro Bowl that year.

Speaker 6 (36:01):
So I know a lot of people are here for
the backup, you know, uh, resurrection of other guy's careers.

Speaker 5 (36:11):
But I love what Daniel Jones is doing right now.

Speaker 6 (36:14):
Tuinoh so far ball it out like that's a fun storyline,
you know. I love seeing Baker Mayfield have the success
that he's having right now.

Speaker 5 (36:22):
It's awesome.

Speaker 6 (36:24):
So I'm not sure why more people don't roof for it.
But that's really what's on the table. Now, not that
Jake Brownie was drafted to be that. You know, he's
kind of good in that backup situation. But look, the
young man go in and play. He was prolific during
his time of Washington. He's a smart player, he's accurate,
like he could do this. So I'm excited to see
what all these guys.

Speaker 5 (36:42):
Have in store.

Speaker 2 (36:45):
Yeah, I just I don't know if if I'm if
I'm Minnesota, if I'm if I'm Carson Wentz, and I've
got an opportunity to make a run and get this
chance again like we were talking about yesterday, Yeah take it,
you know, do as well as you can. And if
you're if you're Kevin O'Connell, based on what you've seen
from JJ McCarthy, why rush him out there at less

(37:07):
than one hundred percent, you know, maybe give him a chance,
process it, get fully healthy, and then see what you've
got with him. Chris Collinsworth was making the point the
other night that you can tell Justin Jefferson, you know,
maybe he's getting a little frustrated with where they're at
with things, but this should have been expected with a
young quarterback who's going to come in and take the reins.

(37:27):
And when people are thrown out the idea of well,
if JJ McCarthy's going to miss time, maybe you just
go to Kirk Cousins. No, like, let's see what Carson
Wentz has got. Let's see Carson Wentz get an opportunity
to to sling it around a little bit. And if
you're if you're Cincinnati, there's reportedly them looking at veteran quarterbacks,
maybe they would try and add somebody. I saw Malik
Willis's name was out there as a potential candidate as

(37:50):
well too, So you are you already Kirk Cousins can
figure out a way to get back.

Speaker 5 (37:56):
I just Jameis Winston.

Speaker 6 (37:59):
He's a name that's been kind of talked about in
some trade talks.

Speaker 5 (38:02):
Come save me please. But if your cousin's getting paid
too much, that's his issue.

Speaker 2 (38:08):
Yeah. But if you're one of these teams that's looking
at these other organizations who are now dealing with this,
if you're Atlanta, you probably feel pretty good that that's
your backup. Like if something happens to Michael Pennick, you're
looking at it going all right, well we'll eat the
ten million dollars we did when we had to pick
up his roster bonus, and then we'll just if something

(38:28):
happens God forbid and we feel like we're still in contention,
we'll throw Kirk Cousins in there and feel good about things.
The Jets have got justin Field, who's in concussion protocol.
The one that's weird is the Jadeen Daniels because he's
got a knee issue but nobody knows what it is.
He's had an MRI, but nobody's reporting on exactly what.

(38:50):
They're just said, well you.

Speaker 5 (38:51):
See the hit, Yeah, I love it. I love them
being able to keep it a secret. Good for them.

Speaker 4 (38:57):
Yeah, I mean it was a pretty nasty hit on him.
Well you hit him right on the knee.

Speaker 2 (39:02):
And dan Quinn's just like, not really, you know, hey, listen,
it's a it's truly day to day. Here was the Commanders.
I almost said the R word there, by the way,
Damn Yeah. Here was the Commander's head coach dan Quinn
talking about the status of his young quarterback.

Speaker 9 (39:18):
He did have an MRI and he has already begun
his return to play process with us. He is truly
day to day. What does that mean for Sunday? I
can't tell you that now. I'll have more to share
on that when we get to Wednesday and practice and
what that would look like.

Speaker 2 (39:34):
Enough, So what were the results of the imaging eh
day to day? Like nobody knows. Just sorry, that's that's
that's where we're at with everything. So you've now seen
multiple starting quarterbacks two weeks into the year go down,
some long term, some potentially short term. But war of
attrition has started boys long see.

Speaker 4 (39:55):
I feel like the way he reacted when he went
down the way his the way his leg kind of
like bent. I want to say, it's like, it's probably
a sprain and it's probably I'm assuming it's going to
be on the outside of his leg that's where he grabbed.
He grabbed like his like where his it band is

(40:18):
when it happened, I would assume it's a it's a
sprain and and it's probably an acl sprain. That's what
I would assume just off of what I saw. And listen,
I'm not a doctor, so take that with a grain
of salt. That's not a pick, it's just that's what
I think. That's what I think the injury is is

(40:40):
he's got a strain and and there when you have
those types of like when your need does that, like
when it bends like that, sometimes you can bruise it too,
you know, sometimes it could lead to a bruise. So
he could have a bruise and a strain, a sprain. No, no, no, no,
it's not a pick.

Speaker 2 (40:58):
I'm just I'm just saying, you guys want it, don't you? No, no,
no sticks picks. Okay, you know somebody actually would run
with this because the way connection to the organization.

Speaker 5 (41:13):
I don't have an attention to the organization, LeVar. Did
you know Lorena does voice work explaining a little bit
more detail. I mean, okay, so Lorena, play it.

Speaker 2 (41:27):
This one? When's When's?

Speaker 5 (41:34):
Yeah?

Speaker 4 (41:36):
You know that now takes on an entire different level
of different level realizing that that is you don't it.

Speaker 14 (41:48):
I thought you knew.

Speaker 4 (41:53):
Today's year old today years old? With knowing that that,
do it one more time, Lorna.

Speaker 2 (42:04):
When's whens? Can you hear it?

Speaker 7 (42:07):
Now?

Speaker 2 (42:09):
I don't know how to answer that, and so I
will not.

Speaker 5 (42:17):
You can hear your voice at the end, I.

Speaker 14 (42:19):
Think doesn't sound like me. All the rest of them,
I'm like, okay, yeah, I know I didn't record.

Speaker 5 (42:23):
Well, how are we I think I think only you
would know how you sound. Yikes. Ikes, I mean maybe
maybe there's other.

Speaker 2 (42:32):
People what you say the back he said that last
one doesn't sound like you at all.

Speaker 4 (42:41):
I thought, saying, maybe maybe it just doesn't with Lee, you.

Speaker 14 (42:45):
Know when's whens see that one sounds like someone else that.

Speaker 5 (42:54):
Yeah, maybe it's just it's maybe the other guys it does.

Speaker 2 (42:59):
I did recorded, so I know which one it is.

Speaker 14 (43:01):
But yeah, we went in the back studio.

Speaker 2 (43:03):
And recorded it. Oh my gosh, it gets it even
deeper this rabbit hole.

Speaker 9 (43:08):
Ga.

Speaker 2 (43:09):
So how did you produce those those sound effects?

Speaker 5 (43:12):
Sounds pretty natural? No, I know exactly what her sounds are. Alright,
then just learn something new every day. I'm today's years old.

Speaker 2 (43:26):
Knowing that they recorded it together.

Speaker 14 (43:29):
In the studio, well, you know, Veto has to put
in the request.

Speaker 2 (43:33):
How many takes did it did before?

Speaker 5 (43:37):
How many minutes?

Speaker 2 (43:38):
How many do you think that took?

Speaker 5 (43:40):
Like one minute? Last than one minute?

Speaker 2 (43:45):
Could you like, is it like, can you replicate that if.

Speaker 4 (43:48):
You would have had a part in there at some
point that we would have known exactly what it was.

Speaker 14 (43:53):
But the request was just to make some some you know,
noises and say Quinn's wins.

Speaker 2 (44:01):
Yeah, and you like, did it really well?

Speaker 7 (44:04):
Yeah?

Speaker 5 (44:04):
I did?

Speaker 2 (44:05):
Wait what did you? What did make that noise you
just made again? My ooh yeah that is see right there,
it really is confirmation. I could keep going. But you know,
I do appreciate I.

Speaker 5 (44:16):
Do appreciate Lee. Oh that's not her? Whoa, Oh my god.
They brought in another guy for that part.

Speaker 2 (44:27):
Oh what kind of file? Lee needed a stunt double?

Speaker 5 (44:35):
Oh no?

Speaker 4 (44:36):
Oh no, oh no, not Michael Jackson.

Speaker 2 (44:40):
Oh there there it is, there it is.

Speaker 5 (44:45):
Well, there goes the show. Take us the break.

Speaker 1 (44:50):
Be sure to catch live editions of Two Pros and
a Cup of Joe with Brady Quinn, LeVar Errington, and
Jonas Knox weekdays at six am Eastern three A Pacific.

Speaker 2 (45:00):
And right now, we welcome in Dean Blandino, Fox Sports
NFL college football rules analysts. You can get them on
x at Dean Blandino. Dean, good morning, How are we
feeling doing good?

Speaker 1 (45:12):
Doing good?

Speaker 8 (45:13):
How you guys doing good?

Speaker 9 (45:14):
Man?

Speaker 2 (45:14):
We're good. Now, we have it on good authority that
you're sick and tired of hearing about the tush push.

Speaker 5 (45:21):
So what's the way is that?

Speaker 2 (45:23):
What's what's going on, what's the Oh my god, Well,
what's bothering you, Dean.

Speaker 7 (45:28):
I've gone on record, I don't love the play. Whatever
great Eagles are do it better than anybody else. They
work at it, they practice good for them. I'm just
you know, we had the game in Kansas City, obviously
Super Bowl rematch. This is like, this is the biggest
early game of the year so far, the two teams,

(45:49):
the whole deal, and we're watching quite frankly, just the
crappiest football play. We got false starts, we got all sides,
we got all kinds of crap on this play and
no calls and it's just not I just don't like it.
And finally just got set up and you know, I
just said I'm done with the touch push guys.

Speaker 1 (46:06):
That was it.

Speaker 7 (46:09):
Tom Brady was like Brady was like giving me the
thumbs up. He's like yeah, he goes. He's like, you
tell him go. I'm like, yeah, I know, I know.

Speaker 6 (46:18):
In all seriousness, it feels like, let's just go back
to the genesis of like why this play is even allowed.

Speaker 5 (46:26):
So you guys did away with.

Speaker 6 (46:28):
The whole you know, pushing an eighty runner because you
feel like you could officiate it properly correct.

Speaker 7 (46:34):
Yeah, that's what happened back in oh five, and so
this had been illegal forever and then there and it
wasn't it right. This play didn't exist, right, This didn't
exist until the Eagles started doing it whenever twenty one
for what it was twenty two, and so there was
there was some plays, especially near the goal line, where
the runner would get hit stacked up and you've got

(46:55):
a big pile and the linemen are pushing both you know,
defense is pushing, offense just pushing. And it was a
harder play to officiate, and you just never the officials
just didn't call it so and in hindsight it was
a mistake, like my in my view, it was a
mistake to take that out and it was fine until

(47:16):
until you know that now we get this play, which
is a pretty easy play to officiate. If you took
it out, you couldn't be pretty easy to say, Okay,
you know they're they're pushing, it's a foul, and maybe look,
maybe they take it out in the off season. We'll
see and then teams do something else. You never know,
but it is yeah, you just you just never know

(47:38):
what's going to happen, but in hindsight, it was a
mistake to take that out.

Speaker 4 (47:43):
Dan, I gotta ask this, and I know you know
the answer to it, because I've been around you when
you were in office and you were active and you
had your remote control as I always bring up, which
I thought is super crazy cool. Why are you guys,
why why do the decision makers allow the lineman to
run a muck? And I believe what I saw on

(48:06):
Sunday they are running way more a muck than what
I've seen in prior years. Like I saw guys literally
beer hugging guys from behind, like the guy was about
to go make a play, the lineman puts his arms
around him, his arms and pulsing from behind. I've seen

(48:29):
some of the most. I mean, it's it's upsetting for
me as a defender. It's upsetting to see it. How
is this?

Speaker 5 (48:38):
How is like?

Speaker 4 (48:39):
What are the conversations with these referees in allowing these
linemen to just hold at basically any cost, any angle,
any anything, and it not get called.

Speaker 7 (48:53):
Well, yeah, no, it's a great point. I do think
in recent years there has been this push and they
won't come out and say it, but to to less flags, right,
and and and it's been and people think, oh, you know,
that was such a great game. There was no flags,
there was no and and and it and there's less stoppages,

(49:14):
which is good. But when you have that kind of
mindset and then you know, you know you played, you
know where, Okay, they're gonna let us play today, and
that's that. You know we're gonna let them play today.
You know you can probably push the envelope and get
away with a little more. And right now, that's what's happening. Okay,
I'm not getting flag. Okay, I'm gonna try to gain

(49:36):
an advantage. And that's what's happening. And look, the gap
I don't think you guys probably know better than me,
but the gap between offensive line play and offensive linemen
and the defensive line, I don't think it's ever been
greater in terms of athleticism and everything else. And so
they're already at they're already out of deficiency. And now

(49:56):
you know they're they're they're doing their best to try
to you know, just just even the plane.

Speaker 4 (50:00):
So just go ahead, let them hold them because you're
just not as an athletic guys, you can't and and that.

Speaker 7 (50:06):
And that's not right.

Speaker 5 (50:08):
Right.

Speaker 7 (50:08):
You said you got to call it when it's there.
You got to call it because if you don't, it's
just going to get worse and worse. And then that,
you know, and then defensive players get frustrated, and then
it turns into other stuff that you got to kind
of you got to handle one, and that's not good
for the game either.

Speaker 2 (50:25):
Dean Blandino joining us here on Fox Sports Radio. It's
Lebar Arrington, Brady Quinn, Jonas Knox with you here, two
pros and a cup of Joe on FSR. I do
want to ask you at the leveraging call that Denver
got called for that ultimately led to the rekick in
Indianapolis winning that game. So what what is the rule?

(50:45):
What was the infraction? You just you can't use the
the person on the line to propel yourself. Is that
basically sort of the gist about the rule works.

Speaker 7 (50:55):
Yeah, you can't. You can't put either your hands your arms.
You can't push off, whether it's a teammate or or
an opponent. You can't push off to gain height to
block the kick. Now that look, I think I think
that's if you watch it like I can see okay. Yeah,
by rule, that's a foul. It happens a lot and

(51:18):
doesn't get called. And that's such a big play. I
think the legal support that call I had. Tem Payton
texted me yesterday. I hadn't seen the play, but he
asked me if it was a foul, and when I
looked at it, I said, they're going to support it
because he did put his left hand down, he pushed off,
and he did propel himself. And so that is the rule. Again,

(51:38):
you don't see it called all that often, but that's
obviously a huge call in the game.

Speaker 5 (51:44):
Indeed, you were with was it Tom and the crew
this week? Yeah?

Speaker 7 (51:48):
Yeah, he was with me. He was with me.

Speaker 2 (51:52):
Yeah.

Speaker 5 (51:56):
Did you actually did you go to the r trailer thing?
Did you you get to go there?

Speaker 7 (52:02):
I haven't been in it yet. I haven't been in
it yet.

Speaker 5 (52:04):
No, but you know about it, don't you?

Speaker 7 (52:06):
Oh?

Speaker 6 (52:07):
Yeah?

Speaker 5 (52:07):
Oh yeah?

Speaker 7 (52:08):
Yeah?

Speaker 5 (52:10):
What is q what's he getting? What is Qton?

Speaker 6 (52:13):
He's he travels around in a like a luxury mobile.

Speaker 5 (52:18):
Hole.

Speaker 7 (52:19):
Yeah, it's not every week, but there is. Yeah, and
it has like all like I would do it too
with it because it has all you know, it's like
it's like an extension of his home. He's comfortable.

Speaker 5 (52:31):
Yeah.

Speaker 7 (52:32):
I haven't been in it yet though, you know, I
kind of man, man of the people, A man of
the people. I stay. We got to stay in the
four seasons, all right, I'll stay in the four seasons,
all right.

Speaker 5 (52:43):
Yes, that sounds like a big struggle there, standing of
the four seasons.

Speaker 4 (52:47):
Tang dang? What what jumped out at you this weekend?
Like when you're watching it? Obviously, again I say it's
hard to watch as a civilian once you've seen it
the way that you're going to see, whether it's a
player there's doing it as a rules expert and calls.
What what did you see this weekend that jumped off

(53:07):
the screen? That was like worth committing to memory for you.

Speaker 7 (53:11):
Well, obviously, look our game Chiefs Eagles. It was it
was both defenses were really dominating the game. We talked
about the social bush, we talked about the alignment, those
types of things. Then you watch a game like like
Dallas and the Giants and there was no defense in
the second half and it was just like a shootout
and it was it was a crazy game. I think. Again,

(53:31):
like we talked about last week, we're still the football
isn't isn't top notch. Yet It'll get there, you know,
Week four, week five. You know, from an officiating perspective,
I think they're you know, they have to. They're going
to continue to emphasize the sportsmanship, ship stuff and the
and the taunting and those types of things. Show Ceedee
Lamb in that game, right, Giants had three I haven't

(53:52):
seen that in a long time. Giants had three fouls
on one play. And then cdee Lamb got up and
got somebody safe and and and and that offset all
of it, which is which is the right the right rule.
But so I just think those are things that players
are going to have to continue to uh, you know,
make sure they they they just because those penalties are

(54:13):
big in the game.

Speaker 2 (54:15):
As an official, when did you feel like you were
all right, we've got the early Are we talking like
week three, week four? You feel like everybody's starting to
kind of come into their own as.

Speaker 7 (54:24):
Far as Yeah, I think I think by week three,
week four, probably week four. Again, it's I look, when
I remember when I first started at the league office,
I mean, the preseason was legit like and and so
I think it was earlier right, because they were playing
four preseason games. You started like that that third preseason
game was like a regular season game for for a

(54:45):
lot of teams almost you know, two and a half
three quarters. So I think now it does probably get
through the first month of the season and then teams no, Okay,
this is who we are and what we're good at
and uh and and I think it gets better from there.

Speaker 5 (55:01):
Indeed, I keep looking at passing afference.

Speaker 6 (55:02):
I feel like it's obviously the way you're rewarded on
the offense makes us so impactful in games.

Speaker 5 (55:10):
But also I feel like we're.

Speaker 6 (55:11):
Getting to a point where it just I don't know,
let's get a little touchy out there, you know what
I'm saying, Like, I feel like we're calling it or
more apt to call it than not. And I'm not
asking if the officials are being coached different about this.
I just feel like, are they cognitiant of how much
this could turn a game or change your round?

Speaker 7 (55:30):
I just I think they are. It's a bit right,
when you get a thirty yard penalty, it's on an
underthrowe ball. Sometimes right, it's it's it's a big, big
it's a big call, and they are coached. And I
remember Maurica talk when when John Fox when he was
at the Panthers and then at the Bears, and he
used to complain about past and appearances. He said something

(55:50):
that always stuck with He's like, he's like the events
to passenger and should call itself. And I kind of
always thought that was a good way of looking at it,
Like you should jump out right, it should be obvious.
These are big penalty and you want to allow you know,
we talk about hand fighting if there it's a jockeying
for position. You know, receivers are just as handsy too,
and you can't let them get away with stuff. So

(56:11):
but you wanted to really call itself. And I like
the rule because I feel like it versus the college
rule because if you took away that, if you went
to more of a college rule. Right, these dvs are
so good, you're gonna you're gonna really hurt the deep
passing game and they're going to play really aggressively in
that game and say, okay, I'll give up the fifteen

(56:32):
versus versus a thirty yard play. And so I like
where it is, but I do think the officials have
you just have to continue to be consistent not not
call tiki tech stuff because like you said, it's a
big it's a big penalty in the game.

Speaker 4 (56:45):
Personal opinion is Kansas City or are they on the
decline or you know, just sign it in person?

Speaker 5 (56:53):
What is the runover?

Speaker 7 (56:56):
We talked about it yesterday and I think, look, that
defense is great. They you know you Fags is incredible.
You know their defensive coordinator, Steve Spagnolo. I think, let's
see who they are when they get rushy, right, you
know Zavier Worthy was out, Yes, it was that on Sunday.

(57:17):
It just looked like they weren't. You know, Mahomes didn't
have a ton of options people getting open for him.
He was doing more with his legs. Obviously scored a
touchdown a rushing TV. So I want to see them
at full strength on offense because that defense is going
to keep them in games. So I don't think it's
over yet. I would never count them out.

Speaker 2 (57:39):
Dean Blandino joining us here on Fox Sports Radio. He's
Fox Sports NFL college football rules analyst. Where do you
stand on targeting in college football? There was you know,
we see it seemingly every week LSU had a player
ejected but on the broadcast, I think it was Sean
McDonough said, well, you know he's he's the new change

(58:00):
this year. He's allowed to stay on the sidelines for
the rest of the game. It's like, okay, well that helps,
but like, where do you stand in general on how
targeting is handled in college football?

Speaker 7 (58:10):
Yeah, I think the rule has done its job. I
think when it first went in, you know, targeting is
two thousand and eight, two thousand and nine, and the
hits that you saw then you don't see anymore. So
I think it's done its job. But I think we
got to look at the rule because the game is
evolved and players have done a great job, coaches, everybody's
done a really good job. Now we got to look

(58:30):
at the rule. To me, I really do think the
disqualification is it's too punitive because there's different layers of targeting.
You could see, right, you can see a targeting you go, yeah, okay,
that's that's a foul by rule. And now now if
it's in the third quarter, guess what you're missing the
rest of this game. In the first half of the
next game, that's such a big penalty. I think we

(58:51):
got to get to can we get Okay, there are
some hits that should be fifteen yard penalties, but not
the disqualification. I think that's the next iteration of this rule.
And I'm part of the rules committee in college football,
so so you know, we're going to look at that
and hopefully we can get the rules committee and the people,
you know, the powers that be on board with Hey,

(59:12):
these are not their penalties, but they shouldn't be disqualifications.
And I think we got to look at that that
going forward.

Speaker 5 (59:20):
Did you get some Italian when you guys were in
Kansas City?

Speaker 7 (59:24):
Did say that again?

Speaker 6 (59:25):
Did you get some Italian while you guys were in
Kansas City?

Speaker 7 (59:29):
Of course, of course we went to and I'm not
it's not going to be a great promo because I
already forgot the name of it. But they we stayed
at the Lows where the Eagles were staying, so we
got we got some big domb time, which was great.
And uh, you speaking of Italians, So that's yeah, that's
the Italian that I got. But we had some good

(59:50):
food and we ate. We Travis and and Patrick are
part of like they're they're involved with this restaurant that
was just opened up. At opening up at the low seven.

Speaker 6 (01:00:00):
I mean it is yeah, yeah, the fifth fifteen to
eighty seven steakhouse, I believe. Yep, it looks to be
a good spot real quick though, On the Dob front,
do you kind of look at like his role with
the Eagles that feel like most teams should have someone
but I feel like they do, but it's not to
the extent that Dobb's able to, you know, kind of

(01:00:21):
control the sidelines, control the team and all the stuff
that goes on.

Speaker 7 (01:00:25):
Well, everybody, you know, every team has somebody like that.
I think Dob, who's awesome by the way, who's I
think she's become and not And when you talk to him,
he doesn't like he just he doesn't want the spotlight.
He doesn't. But I think it finds him. And so
now that people know, you know, you have the situation

(01:00:45):
with the Niners where he got thrown out of the
game and with I think it was green Law, and
so now it's kind of like people recognize him and
it's almost like the camera finds him and I think
we just see him more like you saw him on
the broadcast, you know, when when Sirianni was going going
a halftime and John with the officials a little bit

(01:01:06):
and Dom was there, so everybody has it Dom, but
I think Dom is just more you know, he's more known,
and at this point, I think the camera just just
tends to find him.

Speaker 2 (01:01:19):
He's good Penn stater.

Speaker 5 (01:01:21):
He is a stater.

Speaker 2 (01:01:24):
Dean always appreciate it. Man, thanks so much for the time,
and I felt like we kept it a little more
classy this week.

Speaker 5 (01:01:31):
Professional.

Speaker 7 (01:01:31):
Yeah, there was no no dildo talk. Thanks guys.

Speaker 6 (01:01:35):
I was going to point out though there was a
dildo throat. I believe it was the Bengals game.

Speaker 7 (01:01:40):
Brady has. Brady has like it at his home, like
a bildo counter and every time any game and for
North American professional sports, he's going to branch out as
well that when a bildo was thrown, it like goes
off and it's like, oh, we got one, and we
got one in Omaha.

Speaker 6 (01:01:57):
That's actually called the dildo doppler. Guy definitely keeps looking
for it, but just thoughts on that. Indeed, you lied
to us the last time we had you on, you
said there was one official responsible for I have had
seen it one official pick one up the entire time.
It's usually some guys showing his ass crack, which is

(01:02:17):
also a bad move to.

Speaker 5 (01:02:18):
Pick up a dial though, but that's for another another day.

Speaker 7 (01:02:22):
Exactly, exactly, all right.

Speaker 2 (01:02:23):
Guys, all right, all right, there he is Dean Blandino
with us here.

Speaker 5 (01:02:34):
All lies

Speaker 2 (01:02:36):
Abort mission