September 26, 2025 • 42 mins
Today on 2 Pros and a Cup of Joe, the guys discuss LaVar’s getaway day from the day before, a Thursday Night Football recap, Roger Goodell's comments about international play + Quinn's Wins!
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
This is the best of two pros and a couple
Joe with LaVar Arrington, rading Win and Jonas Knox on
Fox Sports Radio.
Speaker 2 (00:11):
Oh, let's go, two pros and a couple of Joe
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Speaker 3 (00:29):
Come on, que let's go cue. I'm on, var We
come on, come on, Jonas, Come on.
Speaker 4 (00:37):
It is LeVar Arrington, Brady Quinn, Jonas Knox with you here.
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Speaker 5 (01:17):
How we feel this morning?
Speaker 6 (01:18):
Huh?
Speaker 5 (01:19):
How we feel?
Speaker 6 (01:20):
How are you feeling, Jonas?
Speaker 5 (01:21):
I'm good?
Speaker 6 (01:22):
Are you tired of?
Speaker 3 (01:24):
Yeah? I traveled all day yesterday too many delayed all day,
but made it all day, man, literally, but I did
make it.
Speaker 5 (01:32):
You're in the burg.
Speaker 3 (01:35):
I'm in State College.
Speaker 5 (01:36):
Oh well, you're going here.
Speaker 6 (01:38):
You're staying the burg, all right.
Speaker 3 (01:41):
So when they announced that I was doing the college,
I didn't want to say the name because you know,
talking about my you know my.
Speaker 6 (01:54):
Man, I'm not like that.
Speaker 3 (01:57):
All right. Well, they're taking care of my room.
Speaker 6 (02:00):
Which i'd hope they would, by the way.
Speaker 3 (02:02):
Yeah, yeah, they're taking care of Mara.
Speaker 6 (02:04):
See it all worked out, man, it works awesome.
Speaker 3 (02:07):
Yeah, I would no Motel six. I'm gonna say the
Burg would have probably been more fun today and tomorrow.
Speaker 6 (02:18):
But in State College.
Speaker 3 (02:20):
Being in state college is good.
Speaker 5 (02:22):
You're doing game day.
Speaker 6 (02:26):
He's a guest picker.
Speaker 3 (02:27):
I'm a guest picker.
Speaker 6 (02:29):
Did you miss that? Last night? We were on a
text chain together, Jonas.
Speaker 3 (02:34):
I think he's being funny right now.
Speaker 7 (02:35):
What's doing I see? I can't tell because honestly, he'll
be like, dude, I'm just so busy. I'm just I've
got so many things going on.
Speaker 3 (02:42):
What are you doing? I had to throw the ball,
the baseball than the football. Then we need to do
batting practice. Then we like sound just like that?
Speaker 7 (02:53):
Should I give you a piece of advice that at
all seriousness from two guys who have a like just
a bud of kids.
Speaker 6 (03:01):
You can't play that card with us. You just you
can't play You really can't the all busy card. You're
not that busy, trust me, you're not.
Speaker 7 (03:08):
You're not that busy until until you get to having
more than two you can then start to talk.
Speaker 6 (03:14):
You don't even have to do yet, So you can't
use that card with us.
Speaker 7 (03:18):
That It is the most My wife talks about the
sometimes too, where there are people they are like, oh
I'm so busy, Like oh yeah, you're busy. Okay, all right,
Like there's no there's no legitimacy to what you say.
Speaker 5 (03:30):
Well, sorry, first of all, what does that.
Speaker 3 (03:32):
Have to do? First of all?
Speaker 6 (03:34):
What First of all, what.
Speaker 5 (03:35):
Does that have to do with LeVar Arrington going on.
Speaker 3 (03:37):
Another Don't try to don't try to ship it.
Speaker 4 (03:41):
That's what you did, because that's what the original. That's
what the original conversation was.
Speaker 3 (03:46):
Because you're acting you're acting like you're unaware of the news,
when it.
Speaker 6 (03:51):
Was because you missed it a group text.
Speaker 4 (03:52):
I'm the one who sent it to you guys on
the group text. I'm aware I sent it to you,
don't that guy.
Speaker 3 (03:59):
I had to smoke you out.
Speaker 5 (04:01):
Yeah, smoke this then.
Speaker 4 (04:03):
I'm telling you right now, if Game Day, if Game
Day went to Vampire State, I would not appear if
they asked me to.
Speaker 5 (04:12):
I don't care what it is. I got loyalty, loyalty
to Big News.
Speaker 6 (04:17):
We've talked about this before.
Speaker 7 (04:18):
By the way, we always said Jonah would be like Deuce,
I'm out, sorry, bitches.
Speaker 3 (04:24):
Jonas would be out. That's why I'd be trying with
the challenge every year. He'd be trying to get Fox
or somebody to notice him doing TV.
Speaker 5 (04:33):
No, that's yet.
Speaker 6 (04:36):
Let me you something.
Speaker 5 (04:39):
It's still a challenge.
Speaker 3 (04:43):
That show has not worked to what Q or what
what Jonahs wanted as his advantage of getting ahead and
the work.
Speaker 5 (04:51):
For to I just work, man, Just a busy gather works.
That's it. That's all I do. All right, that's all
I'm about.
Speaker 6 (04:58):
We'll think about something that works. Seahawks still work, even
though that second half got a little dicey for him.
Speaker 4 (05:04):
I still am not convinced that they're legitimate contenders.
Speaker 5 (05:10):
But they are.
Speaker 4 (05:11):
Way better than I expected them to be. Like I
thought this was going to be an awful year for Seattle.
And yeah, the second half got a little bit sketchy there,
but way better than I thought they'd be.
Speaker 5 (05:21):
And Sam, I mean our fool's goal.
Speaker 6 (05:26):
Well didn't you pick it?
Speaker 3 (05:26):
The wind that I can't believe I picked them. I
can't believe I picked.
Speaker 1 (05:30):
Them sticks picks.
Speaker 6 (05:35):
Fools goal but sor right?
Speaker 3 (05:38):
You know?
Speaker 6 (05:39):
You know what I can't what how good? How good
Vegas is with prop bets?
Speaker 7 (05:44):
For example, I believe Donald's like over under in passing
yards was two forty four or yesterday when we were
doing more or less, I kept looking at all these
different you know, stats, different things like obviously, uh.
Speaker 6 (05:59):
Did any of ours it? Did any of our picks
for draft kings?
Speaker 5 (06:04):
Yeah, Kyler Murray over rushing yards? I think it was
a Knocks twenty eight and a half.
Speaker 6 (06:11):
Oh, yeah, you go gat good for you.
Speaker 4 (06:13):
I mean it needed a big scramble in the second
halfort to do it, but yeah, it didn't.
Speaker 3 (06:18):
Mad it. He got it.
Speaker 5 (06:21):
And by the way, LeVar, we talked you into Marvin
Harrison Junior over to score over a half touchdown.
Speaker 6 (06:28):
He did it.
Speaker 5 (06:29):
Big win.
Speaker 6 (06:30):
He did it.
Speaker 7 (06:30):
There you go, big win. So I guess I'm able
to lose it. Trey Betson really didn't step up for
much of anything.
Speaker 6 (06:40):
You know.
Speaker 4 (06:40):
I actually think that Brady said something yesterday because I've
been trying to think about how to describe the Cardinals,
and I thought this is the best point made. And
normally I'm the one who makes the best points, but
you made the best point yesterday where you said they
should be farther along than they are. And I'm watching it, going, yeah,
(07:00):
that's that's like sums it up. Like Kyler Murray's on
his second coach, he's already been paid. Marvin Harrison Junior
is there. It just feels like, whether it's the fool's.
Speaker 3 (07:11):
Gold they hit their ceiling.
Speaker 5 (07:13):
I don't know what, and I don't know if the
ceiling wasn't.
Speaker 3 (07:15):
A high ceiling. It was not high, and I don't
know that it is a damn shame y'all hit y'all
got dang ceiling and it wasn't It was as tall
as Kyler mur it was. It was a job, a
whole lot of people that won't be able to stretch out.
It's not a high enough ceiling. It was.
Speaker 5 (07:31):
It was a jockeys dressing room. That was their ceiling.
Speaker 3 (07:34):
They got it. They got to crawl into their space.
That is not a high ceiling.
Speaker 4 (07:39):
And and I'm wondering now that we think about it.
You remember that playoff game. They had their only playoff game
with Kingsbury and they got annihilated by the Rams, And
I just I'm wondering, was that it.
Speaker 7 (07:52):
Can they get back to the playoffs? Like it's a
valid question. The imagine that ownership group wanting to blow
up that franchise with a team that who was missing
for the first six games of that next year. Remember
because they made the playoffs, they got blown out the
next year. Who is servant was Hopkins DeAndre six games suspension?
Speaker 5 (08:14):
Yeah, oh god, he was on the gap.
Speaker 6 (08:15):
Do you remember that?
Speaker 7 (08:16):
And then then they got off to a bad start,
didn't have a great year, and they're like, all.
Speaker 6 (08:20):
Right, let's blow this whole thing up. It's like, oh,
all right, well, I guess we're just gonna throw the towel.
They got blown up and they haven't recovered since.
Speaker 3 (08:31):
Yeah, it just I don't know. I got to see
parts of it when when I had internet service and
and just looking at it.
Speaker 6 (08:43):
They don't have internet out there.
Speaker 3 (08:45):
No, they had internet on the plane, but you know
sometimes on the planet.
Speaker 7 (08:50):
Yeah, I thought you were making the Amige country in Pennsylvania.
You're like, yeah, we went through. They didn't have any
they didn't have any internet.
Speaker 3 (08:58):
No, I was on the plane.
Speaker 6 (09:01):
You do know Penn State is surrounded by Amish country.
Speaker 3 (09:04):
Yeah, yeah, shippings Burg craftsmanship, what else? We went through
this before we did the list of men and night
uh big men in nite towns in Pennsylvania.
Speaker 6 (09:17):
We did this, but I don't ever see them show
up for Penn State caps.
Speaker 3 (09:22):
I don't know. I don't under I mean and why.
I mean, you would think that they would because it's.
Speaker 7 (09:28):
We are they don't say Penn State.
Speaker 3 (09:35):
But there's no technology needed. I mean, I've never seen
no no horse carts or buggies parked, you know, in
the in the park. I bet you they have the
best tail games. They'd be having some shock.
Speaker 7 (09:48):
Jonas doesn't punched out of this group of people because
they can't.
Speaker 4 (09:51):
Hear us, so, oh well, yeah, they're irrelevant to me,
like I don't even and actually they don't know no more.
Speaker 3 (09:58):
I'm around Jonas, I feel like Jona missus Amish And
that might be why he's not he's not taking any
shots at him. You do radio.
Speaker 5 (10:07):
First of all.
Speaker 6 (10:07):
First, First of all, I bet you could put together
like a chair or something.
Speaker 4 (10:15):
First of all, the Amish. The Amish would be the
only people impressed by my truck.
Speaker 5 (10:21):
That's it.
Speaker 4 (10:21):
That's the only group that would look at my truck
and go, you know what is that from outer space?
Speaker 5 (10:25):
No, it's two thousand.
Speaker 3 (10:26):
They might actually open the gerbils power.
Speaker 7 (10:34):
They might accept it. They might actually put it next
to a horse and carriage.
Speaker 5 (10:38):
They might use a horse for it. Once the motor dies.
Speaker 3 (10:42):
Engine no, no, no gasoline engine up in there. They
he got small goats up in there running.
Speaker 6 (10:48):
I'm not gonna lie.
Speaker 3 (10:49):
Bro.
Speaker 6 (10:49):
You want to talk to you on your your bluetooth
and your truck is awful?
Speaker 5 (10:53):
Oh yeah, that's bad.
Speaker 6 (10:54):
It's like it sounds like you're talking in a tin can. Yeah.
Speaker 4 (10:58):
My wife, when I take my wife's car, she's always like,
why don't you just connect the bluetooth to the speaker,
I'm like, I don't know how that works.
Speaker 5 (11:03):
Like I have a CD player my truck, I don't
know how that works.
Speaker 4 (11:07):
I'm just not familiar with that.
Speaker 3 (11:11):
You look under his truck while you're driving.
Speaker 6 (11:13):
You see little goat feet.
Speaker 3 (11:14):
Little goat, Paul, the little goat hoofs on the ground.
Speaker 5 (11:19):
You say, little jettle's under there.
Speaker 3 (11:22):
He got a G eight eight eight. Yeah, some turbles.
Speaker 5 (11:28):
Who's my mechanic, Richard Gear? But grow up. The point
is we've got that point is that was.
Speaker 3 (11:37):
More interested in talking about the games.
Speaker 5 (11:40):
You're just out on on the Arizona Cardinals.
Speaker 3 (11:43):
That's that's on the Seahawks. But I'm not a believer
in Sam Darnold right now. I don't know why. I
felt like I felt like his performance was underwhelming and
if the defense didn't do what they need to do
in the offense for Arizona wasn't what they were last evening.
I feel like, you know, and Kyler Murray's game wasn't
(12:05):
bad by the way. I mean, he just didn't protect
the ball. And they don't have a running game. I mean,
it hurt not having Connor and you know they don't
really have It's like Marvin Harrison Junior. I think we
touched on this last last show. It's it's it's strange.
(12:27):
You would think that he would be as close, he
would be close to having as much dominance as he
did in college by now, Like by now, you'd be like,
dude is flashing for real, Like he's he's he's a guy,
like he's he's, he is the franchise. Like you would
(12:49):
think that you would see those types of performances from
him by now, and it just hasn't, you know, it
just hasn't unfolded that way. I mean, he's good, he's
been serviceable.
Speaker 5 (13:00):
Street was really trying to will it into existence last
night though.
Speaker 3 (13:03):
Yeah, yeah, I mean he I mean, because he does
just enough where you're like, okay, okay, but it's like
it's not it's not that next level dude, But.
Speaker 6 (13:15):
I don't want to put a hole on him.
Speaker 7 (13:18):
Like That's the thing is Kyler Murray's played pretty consistent
and I don't think he's got a ton of help.
Like when do we ever talk about the Cardinals B
defense been a top ten defense, well, at least consistently.
They might have their stints, but not consistently. When do
we talk. I mean, James Connor's hurt. That was obviously,
you know, a pair last night. But the offensive lines
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never dominant in protection or rue game. You know, they're
at times good. But this team, the roster, everything, it's
it's never one that we look at and we say,
all right, they should at least I didn't. I didn't
think that they should win the NFC West. They should
be one of the top teams in the NFC, Like,
I don't put anything on this roster ahead of the
(14:02):
Rams or San France. And then you could start talking
kind of how they shape up versus Seattle, And mind you,
these two teams always play each other tough, like this
is the sort of thing where the Seattle one in Arizona,
Arizona one went in Seattle later in the year. It
happens all the time if you look through the history
of these two teams playing. I don't know why I've
called these games. It's just weird. They always play each
(14:25):
other tough, they always play each other close, and they
usually steal one from the other on the road. But
the general point is, I just the roster's not where
it needs to be, you know. Marvin Harrison Junior clearly
is not where he needs me. He played better last night,
the big touchdown catch. You could tell in that moment
how much it meant to him. But man, that pick,
(14:46):
like it was a perfectly thrown ball, tipped volleyball setted
right to the Seattle secondary in the first half, that play.
Speaker 6 (14:54):
Just can't happen. Like it can't happen.
Speaker 7 (14:57):
What's astonishing is it never happened for mar Harrison Junior
at Ohio State and some of these issues he's having now,
Like I don't know what what you draw the conclusion to, Like,
I don't know that there's been a player that I
thought would come in right away and have a bigger impact.
I mean, I can't think of one off the top
(15:18):
of my head that I thought was more NFL ready
give it his pedigree, given everything we watched him do,
given the way other teams would talk about him, just
how other teams would say, like if there's one guy
who could take over a game, it's Mormon Harrison juniorbelievable, Ashton,
not even Gentsy, not even gents not even genty like,
(15:38):
because there's elements of what Harrison Junior could do versus
double coverage one on one, you know, I just I just, man,
it's crazy. I really thought he was gonna have a
much bigger impact than what he's had as far as
Gend's impacted.
Speaker 6 (15:50):
I mean, he's not a bad.
Speaker 7 (15:52):
Football team right now, and he just got started. Harrison's
had a year, you know, He's had a year and
some games now, and you're just like, man, it's still
not consistently clicking. If you're asking what's the one thing,
it's it's probably that because that's when you look at
the roster, you're like, well, that guy needs to be
you know, catch.
Speaker 6 (16:08):
For over one hundred yards every single game.
Speaker 4 (16:11):
Yeah, it's a uh, it's a rough go last night
for Marvin Harrison Junior until the touchdown and he had
a big catch towards the end. I also thought this,
like if you got the ball and I know that
they missed the landing zone and and well.
Speaker 7 (16:26):
Talking about that though, yeah, because for everyone who wanted
to what was the other game that they made a
big deal about because they couldn't kick it out of
the end zone for a touchback Santos?
Speaker 4 (16:36):
It was Cairo Santos. It was the Bears, Vikings, I
think it was I think it was the first game
of the year.
Speaker 3 (16:45):
Like, this is the other end of this was one
that just happened. Yeah, this just happened.
Speaker 6 (16:50):
What you was talking about, Yeah, but like this is
the other end that no one talks about.
Speaker 7 (16:55):
It's like, all right, it's not like this it's a
gimme that you're gonna like kick the ball out of
bounds whatever else.
Speaker 6 (17:01):
I mean, it's not an easy spot to be in.
Speaker 7 (17:04):
Like I think everyone understood he was trying to kick
the ball so they had to return it to run
time off the clock.
Speaker 6 (17:08):
But then he kicks it too short. You know. It's
like it's a it's a fine line.
Speaker 7 (17:11):
It's not an easy thing to do necessarily, So I
just I think the I guess the interesting that I'd
point out about the kickoff is it has become a
consequential play, like more so than ever yeap, And I'm
not sure if that's a good thing or a bad
thing as far as we're how we're rewarding or penalizing
teams with it, because I don't know that you should
be penalized to the point where they get the ball
(17:33):
of the forty yard line, And it seems like kind
of an egregious penalty for just like kicking it short
to what the twenty or twenty one.
Speaker 6 (17:40):
It's it's I don't know.
Speaker 4 (17:41):
It's like when they move the pat back all of
a sudden, it's become a real play again.
Speaker 5 (17:46):
And you're wondering, like, is that the most.
Speaker 4 (17:48):
Fair way to put kickers in? Yeah, well the plays
and automatic, so we're going to make it more difficult.
And you've seen kickers miss pats all the time ever
since then. And I was watching that game last night,
going and all right, so they get the ball at
the forty Realistically, nowadays, with the way kickers are, you
only need twenty yards, like you twenty yards and they
(18:12):
had what like fifty something or thirty something seconds left
and a timeout like it, Like that's a a an
eternity to be able to get into position with the
way guys kick now. And if you're Brandon Aubrey, like
all you need to just get me to the forty five,
can you guys pick up? You know, fifteen yards? Just
get me to the forty five will be fine. Like
the whole game has changed with the way kickers are
(18:32):
are bombing kicks now, it's no longer well they got
to really drive deep. They got to get to the
thirty if they want to shot at this whole thing. Man,
they just need to go twenty yards and they're within
field goal range. Now it's wild and I don't know
what it is. I'm not going to accuse anybody of
being on the gas, but I just think we need
to look into that, all right. Just it's not this
(18:56):
is abnormal distances. The kickers are kicking from from what
we've always known.
Speaker 6 (19:03):
So who's gonna piss hot? Like? Who challenging?
Speaker 5 (19:06):
I don't know. Andrew jack is, what's what's he up to?
Speaker 3 (19:12):
I don't know hot?
Speaker 6 (19:13):
Do you think levard piss hot right now? If you
tested him?
Speaker 5 (19:16):
No? No, I.
Speaker 3 (19:20):
Mean if you think I'm pissing hot the way I looked,
then what a waste of time?
Speaker 6 (19:25):
Don't don't start doing that way? What a waste. Don't
don't you dare, don't you dare go down this road.
Speaker 3 (19:30):
I'm just saying, if I'm gonna stand up for yourself,
more different than this, you stan, I mean, do you
have to lift weights if you use gas?
Speaker 6 (19:41):
You should see?
Speaker 4 (19:42):
Here's I think the problem. I think what's happening is, uh.
Speaker 5 (19:46):
You see Zion Williamson well, I think that's.
Speaker 3 (19:50):
A different type. He's he's unletted right now, what's that Olympic?
Speaker 6 (19:54):
What are you doing?
Speaker 5 (19:56):
The problem is LeVar was doing You only look to
say bar.
Speaker 4 (20:00):
Was doing research on the plane last night and he
went down a deep dive on Jamie Lee Curtis, and
so I think that kind of threw him off to
getting into that.
Speaker 3 (20:07):
Did throw me off a little bit. After a good
spit out of my beverage and and a good laugh,
I tuned.
Speaker 6 (20:16):
Out for me, that's very accurate. That what you're saying,
that's what the that's what the that's what the.
Speaker 3 (20:25):
Headline head that's what the headline said. I mean, they're
twins like Danny DeVito and Arnold schwartz Maker. And even
that's closer than what that was. That that's on that
that that picture and our kids, because the one daughter
is clearly a very very very good looking daughter, and
(20:49):
then the other one kind of looks like, you know,
like you know, like he'd be like delivering your I mean,
she would be delivering your your mail, you know, I
don't know. One looked like a SI swimsuit cover model.
The other one looked like they were like you know,
delivering you know, boxes to your house.
Speaker 5 (21:11):
S a prep star.
Speaker 3 (21:13):
You know that person at the local uh, you know grocery,
you know that's doing the meats and the butcher shop.
You know that's what the other daughter looked like. IM
just saying, why do butchers all look the same, by
the way, Like, have you ever seen a butcher that
didn't look like a butcher?
Speaker 6 (21:32):
Yeah? I don't think butchers look the same at all.
Speaker 3 (21:35):
You don't.
Speaker 6 (21:37):
No, I'm not on whatever you're saying right now. Oh
what do you mean by that?
Speaker 5 (21:42):
What do you mean by that?
Speaker 3 (21:49):
What do you mean that?
Speaker 5 (21:50):
It's all about first impressions? And no, no, what do
you mean?
Speaker 4 (21:54):
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(22:16):
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Speaker 5 (22:18):
So we are gone.
Speaker 6 (22:19):
By the way, did you look at how many games
I put down there?
Speaker 5 (22:21):
Jonas a lot of them.
Speaker 4 (22:22):
It's a lot really big fan of one of your picks,
big fan.
Speaker 7 (22:26):
Of talk me a little bit about Daddy's squawk, all right,
and then talk to me about that's how many picks
I've got. So while I'm doing my picks, I'm gonna
need you to give out your favorite Daddy squad.
Speaker 5 (22:36):
There's a.
Speaker 4 (22:38):
There's a lot he got frisky for this week, and
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going to be in Europe again this weekend. We've got
the Vikings, We've got the Steelers. They're in Dublin.
Speaker 7 (25:29):
You know, yes, we may know somebody who what what
a place?
Speaker 5 (25:33):
What a place?
Speaker 4 (25:35):
Our Lord and Savior, Scott Shapiro is going to be
there seeing his skull Vikings. Yeah, going to be out
there to go see him. A big event for everybody,
and everybody's really fired up about it. And then Roger
Goodell says in an interview with CNBC that there are
international markets that could manage an NFL team, which I'm
(25:57):
sure that they are. I would just ask this question, have.
Speaker 3 (26:01):
We really.
Speaker 4 (26:03):
Gone everywhere we could in the US? Like, is there
no market in the US that could also support a
team that we need to grow at internationally? Is there
not a city in the US or a market in
the US that could use a little love from the
NFL as opposed to taking all of this and sending
it overseas to Europe, Like that's that's my big question.
Speaker 7 (26:26):
I don't think it's one about that, Like you're not
looking at this the way the NFL season, the NFL
season as the way of growing the sport to grow
their bottom line. And I would say this, tell me
which is more valued a franchise in Jacksonville, Florida or
one in London?
Speaker 5 (26:47):
Probably London.
Speaker 6 (26:48):
Okay.
Speaker 7 (26:49):
What about the difference between I don't know, Carolina versus Frankfurt, Germany,
or let's say doublin Ireland.
Speaker 3 (26:55):
That one's more debatable because I mean Carolina, it's not
it's a nice market.
Speaker 6 (27:01):
It's not. It's a small market.
Speaker 3 (27:03):
It's how small Well.
Speaker 6 (27:06):
I wouldn't I don't think it's I don't know it's
in the top.
Speaker 3 (27:08):
Twenty Charlotte, Charlotte, Right, yeah, I don't know, Go ahead,
keep talking.
Speaker 6 (27:15):
No.
Speaker 7 (27:15):
My general point is like, if you're looking at trying
to grow the fan interest and the franchise value of
these teams, the best way they'll be able to do
it is if they go to a larger city where
they're going to be able to be more absorbed by
that market, you know, create more value for their franchise.
Speaker 6 (27:33):
Like, that's the immediate way you'd be able to.
Speaker 9 (27:35):
Do that market twenty first, yeah, yeah, so and again
if you think it's bigger than you know, some of
these bigger international cities, it's it's not even close.
Speaker 3 (27:47):
It's not. Yeah I meant you on that, Yeah I agree.
Speaker 7 (27:52):
But but but that's how the that's the thing is,
people aren't looking at this anymore from as a fan.
The second that you allow teems to be bought a
best percentage of by private equity, you should the running
is on the wall. Folks like these, these owners don't
care about the fans.
Speaker 6 (28:11):
They don't.
Speaker 7 (28:12):
They don't a lot of business owners don't care about
their customer.
Speaker 6 (28:15):
As much anymore.
Speaker 7 (28:17):
They don't like we have hit an inflection point in
our society where if you own a business, you're going
one to two ways. You're either, you know, passing it
down to your family, and you're gonna try to run
that thing as best way you see, because you know
that that matters long term for your kids. That's part
(28:38):
of your legacy. That's what you're leaving them. That's one route.
We don't really see that as much anymore. I mean,
we were seeing that with the earthsdays. I guess with
mister passing, obviously he has been passing it down to
his daughters. You know, we see with some other organizations,
the rounies or you go out the maras with the
New York Giants. But in some cases, look at the Broncos,
they can get passed down from mister Bowleen to his kids.
Speaker 6 (29:00):
Those are the states. So they sold it. Now the
Wallden family's involved in that.
Speaker 7 (29:06):
So the other direction is maybe the kids don't want
to run it, Maybe they just want to cash out
of the business.
Speaker 6 (29:11):
They don't want to be a part of that business. Well,
then they're selling it.
Speaker 7 (29:14):
And once you sell it, you're selling it to someone
who has no ties whatsoever, no history whatsoever with the
whatever that is sports team, name your business. And what
happens is that it becomes all about the bottom line.
How am I going to recoup what I'm paying for
this business so I can sell it one day and
make out like abandon or make my return on my money.
Speaker 6 (29:37):
That's what this has become.
Speaker 7 (29:39):
And so we can sit here right in the here
and now, in the short term and go, oh no,
they're just trying to expand the footprint of the NFL stuff.
Speaker 6 (29:48):
But the reality is there is a.
Speaker 7 (29:50):
Longer term plan of how the NFL is not going
to plateau and how it's going to keep growing, and
the franchise values of these teams is going to keep growing.
You know, people look at flag football as being a
part of the Olympics as this push for everything's gonna
move to flag at some point one day.
Speaker 6 (30:10):
No, it's not.
Speaker 7 (30:10):
No, that's the easiest way to segue to get other
countries more interested in the sport of football. So then
once you get them in on flag, then they come
see the real version of them like, dang, this is sweet.
We need to start doing this and once that hits,
once that takes, you can say it's not gonna work.
Speaker 6 (30:29):
It already is. That's the reality. It already is.
Speaker 5 (30:31):
It's just a gateway.
Speaker 3 (30:32):
Tried it, they've tried it before. It's not it will.
American football will never be more than what it is.
Too much more than what it is.
Speaker 7 (30:45):
Now talk to me from now man, because the reality
is what they're seeing is NFL Europe, right, which was
not are the starters, was not the best of the best,
laid the groundwork for a lot of why you see
the fandom of football today today.
Speaker 6 (31:01):
It failed. It failed, and it didn't fail.
Speaker 7 (31:04):
They chose to shut it down. They weren't putting enough
money into it. And that's fine, however, you but that
doesn't mean that it's not gonna work.
Speaker 3 (31:11):
Now, that's a fail.
Speaker 7 (31:12):
NFL NFL Europe was honestly probably one of the greatest
thoughts for spreading the game of American football. Preparing quarterbacks
for mind you or even other players like that might
have been the best idea for a developmental league ever
because players who weren't getting experienced were getting experienced in real,
(31:33):
live game scenarios. Coaches who were maybe position coaches, they
got to call plays, they got to be coordinators, they
got to be maybe head coaches in some cases, So
that was that element of it. You had officials who
maybe weren't ready for the NFL, but they got the
experience and they got some tread on their tires from that.
You even had broadcasters like talk to Troy Aikman, talk
(31:55):
talk to people who when they first got into broadcasting,
guys who went over and did game gas over there,
producers behind the scenes, analysts on camera like Todd Brady
would have done some games where he could kind of,
you know, start off, start off his career now on
the biggest national stage.
Speaker 6 (32:11):
All that stuff was one of the best ideas ever.
Speaker 3 (32:14):
Development of it was as well developed and as successful
as you're saying it would still be here and it
would be bigger.
Speaker 6 (32:22):
That's no, that's not true, dude. That's not how business works.
Speaker 7 (32:26):
Because there's great businesses that are ideas, but they're Okay,
you don't even it doesn't work.
Speaker 3 (32:31):
It doesn't. It doesn't if it.
Speaker 6 (32:33):
Does, not that it didn't work.
Speaker 7 (32:35):
The owners didn't want to keep putting money into it.
Speaker 6 (32:38):
And that's the.
Speaker 3 (32:39):
Problem is the business that Well, explain how that? How
does that?
Speaker 6 (32:43):
Okay, I'll explain on the sports just.
Speaker 3 (32:44):
How long on earlier on in the in the segment.
Now you're saying the owner, that's.
Speaker 7 (32:49):
How you're trying to create value for the franchise right now,
So how long did it take Amazon to turn a profit?
Speaker 6 (32:55):
Should they have just given up? Exactly?
Speaker 7 (32:58):
Should Jeff Bezos have just given up because they weren't
able to turn a profit?
Speaker 6 (33:05):
Like that's the reality of it.
Speaker 3 (33:06):
I feel like that takes that's not an apples the
apples conversation because the NFL is the NFL. NFL is
something totally different.
Speaker 6 (33:15):
That was developmentally yeah, yeah, developmental league, and so they
got tired of that.
Speaker 3 (33:20):
To that point, no development league has worked none. Sure,
I think the only successful the only successful outside of
the NFL. Football that works is Canadian League football, like
that's it.
Speaker 6 (33:32):
Which which which actually is failing more than ever now because.
Speaker 3 (33:36):
I mean it's never been relevant here otherwise than they're
changing postars, they're actually shortening the end zone.
Speaker 7 (33:41):
They've actually they're actually making a lot of changes to
make it more like American But that's a whole other
separate discussion. But the point is is the idea of
what it was was actually really smart. It was really
good for the league at that time. I mean you
had guys like Kurt Warner, Like, there's guys who came
out of that who made big impacts in the NFL.
There's people who are in TV production, there's people who
(34:02):
are coaches that were like, you man, that was a blast.
I got some experience, I learned a lot. So that's
an idea to me, sure, But but an idea doesn't
always become a great business. But what you're missing is
the fact that it did lay the groundwork for a
lot of the interests. Like when Jonas and I go
to Dublin and I talked to some of the people
who are interested about the game, some of the people
(34:23):
will mention, h they'll be like, oh, I first, you
know saw it back when an NFL Europe Like people
would mention that I know you were on.
Speaker 3 (34:30):
That cheat day, Like, yeah, I wasn't on that trip,
so I can't exactly.
Speaker 7 (34:33):
So I'm just telling you, like when people say that stuff,
you're like, oh, okay, it did have its impact on that.
And so in regards to the comment about the bottom line, yeah,
if you're able to move a franchise, like if I
took a business from California to Texas and immediately it
became have a greater enterprise value, would that not be
increasing the value of just by simply moving the company?
Speaker 3 (34:55):
Are businesses I do not believe. I do not believe, but.
Speaker 6 (34:59):
Yeah, that's how it works.
Speaker 7 (35:00):
You can move a business from one place to another
and it immediately get increase in value.
Speaker 3 (35:04):
The infrastructure of what football represents will never grow to
that level in abroad countries it will not.
Speaker 6 (35:14):
So you don't think we'll ever get a team in London.
Speaker 3 (35:17):
I think there will be a team that goes there eventually.
Do I think that it will be a successful, a
successful business venture to take multiple teams and end up
having multiple teams in Europe? The only way it's successful
is if you have advertisers and sponsors that see it
(35:40):
fit to be a part of what the bohemoth of
the NFL is marketing and advertising wise, and their product
is consumed abroad. Like to me that that would be
the only way it would make sense in terms of
it being a grassroots sport. It will never it will
(36:00):
never get to being a grassroots sport that grows organically
the way that intentionally the way it does here in America.
Speaker 7 (36:08):
So are you telling me that there's current sponsors of
the NFL that aren't global companies or don't want to
and maybe increase their reach.
Speaker 3 (36:16):
No, I'm saying that would be the reason why that.
Speaker 6 (36:20):
Would exactly so excess. That would make it, you know.
Speaker 3 (36:25):
That would make it purely for sponsor based driven content,
and which is how how you increase the way to
be grassroots. It wouldn't be grass pe. I'm not making
it containable.
Speaker 6 (36:37):
You're conflating the two points. I'm not.
Speaker 7 (36:39):
I'm not combining what NFL Europe was into anything other
than creating what the interest is in the American football
over in Europe.
Speaker 6 (36:47):
By what that did that you want to.
Speaker 3 (36:49):
Give a few couple of decades ago a spectacle to
go see, but it's largely a corporate driven event abroad.
Then sure you you put a team there or maybe
one more somewhere else, and that that works. But talking
about but if you're talking about putting an entire division
or a whole bunch of teams over there, I just don't.
Speaker 6 (37:10):
I don't see it, don't. I don't see.
Speaker 7 (37:12):
And that's what it went over there when we went
over with the Broncos. That's what they talked about. It
would make the most sense not to move one, but
to actually have four teams over there, because then if
as far as the travel back and forth in the
time zones, it would be more advantageous for those teams
to have an entire division.
Speaker 3 (37:29):
I'll bet that I know, raight, I'll bet you I'll
fade you on that one.
Speaker 6 (37:33):
I'll fade I'm just telling you what I was told
this like over a decade ago.
Speaker 3 (37:36):
Listen, if I'm just saying I'll fade you on, I mean,
I do not think that there will be four teams
that successfully exists in Europe.
Speaker 4 (37:42):
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It's Quinn Switt.
Speaker 7 (38:40):
Yeah, and you wouldn't know it based on our podcast.
Speaker 6 (38:44):
But last week three and one.
Speaker 7 (38:45):
How about that hum Maryland Michigan unlv titwe there in Oxford, Ohio.
But they were able to come back and pull it
out finally against my Vihio and well, the loser was Illinois.
They got drummed by Indiana. We all witnessed that. I
have a's slated for you this week. You have to
feel confident after being three and one, nine and eleven
overall in the season.
Speaker 6 (39:07):
No one cares to hear about any of this.
Speaker 7 (39:08):
LeVar doesn't put in the work, he doesn't care about it,
so he's gonna sit this one out. First game up,
we've got Alabama headed to Georgia.
Speaker 6 (39:17):
They're getting three points.
Speaker 7 (39:19):
Now here's the This is not the same Bama team
as we're accustomed to seeing taken on Kirby Smart, which
by the way, it hasn't been overly successful anyway. But
this team struggled to win on the road, and also
they've been struggling to run the football. I think three
points it's just it's not enough in my opinion. So
three on the dot. There are DraftKings. You go ahead
(39:40):
and lay them with Georgia. They find a way of
winning and covering this number. Next up, another SEC matchup LSU.
They're headed to Old Miss. Now they're getting a point
and a half. So this is basically almost up picking
when it comes down to it. But Austin Simmons, the
starting quarterback for All Miss, he is out. Sean Bliss
goes as the backup quarterback. I don't need much more
(40:03):
than that, besides the fact that this transfer class has
been phenomenal for LSU this year. Their defense has improved
by over sixty yards a game and by multiple touchdowns
per game. That's how much better this LSU defense has been.
Even though Garret Nussamyer hasn't got off to really the
lightning hot start we thought he was going to. I
think they do enough not only just to cover this number,
(40:25):
but to outright win at Old Miss this week. So
LSU plus one and a half, they're on DraftKings. Next
up a battle in the Big twelve TCU. They're getting
three headed to Scottsdale to take on I should say
Tempi to take on Arizona State. Now, this was one
of the toughest picks for me this entire week. Josh
(40:45):
Uver has been playing phenomenal, maybe the best quarterback in
the Big twelve, but he's gonna have a chance to
prove it against Sam Levitt, who's also been playing really
well for Arizona State this year.
Speaker 6 (40:54):
It was a tough one. I think TCU is flying
under the radar. I think they're one of the best
teams in the Big twelve this year.
Speaker 7 (40:59):
So I'm gonna take the three points TCU on the road,
I think they start making a claim for being one
of the better teams in college football, potentially being a
playoff team.
Speaker 6 (41:07):
What it's all said and done.
Speaker 7 (41:09):
Next up, surprising number here for Florida State on the road,
headed to Charlottesville to take on Virginia. Florida State's given
seven points here. I just think with the way they've
been able to run the football and kind of dominate
the line of scrimmage. Don't want to say it's been
a surprise, but they've exceeded my expectations and that defensively,
I don't think UV has be able to put up
(41:30):
many points.
Speaker 6 (41:31):
Go ahead and lay the seven points.
Speaker 7 (41:33):
Florida State continues on building back up their reputation within
the ACC and the college football world. A couple a
few more for you loaded weekend of games USC. I'll
be there to see them take on the fighting a line.
I usually don't pick games that we're actually at. This
is one nowhere. It's hard to ignore some of the
deficiencies that Illinois has on defense. In particular, secondary which
(41:57):
is one of the strong points for USC is their
passing game. Jordan Miov has been phenomenal this year. Lemon
lane Lane's actually questionable before the game. We'll see if
you can end up suiting up for it. But I
think it's just too much firepower for Southern Cow. They
get another win to stay undefeated, and you lay the
seven points with Southern Cow on the road.
Speaker 6 (42:14):
Another big one.
Speaker 7 (42:15):
Ohio State taking on Washington out in Seattle. This number
has come down dramatically. However, It's gonna be interesting to
see if Washington Huskies, who haven't really played anyone, can
keep this one close. But the numbers eight and a
half on DraftKings, I like them on Williams Junior to
keep this close. I think the Huskies are able to
keep it within the eight and a half numbers. So
(42:36):
take the points and the Huskies at home. And finally
the big one, Penn State host an Oregon.
Speaker 6 (42:41):
They're given three and a half we are Take the ducks.
Takeea half in the ducks. Oh no, oh no.
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Speaker 5 (01:17):
How we feel this morning?
Speaker 6 (01:18):
Huh?
Speaker 5 (01:19):
How we feel?
Speaker 6 (01:20):
How are you feeling, Jonas?
Speaker 5 (01:21):
I'm good?
Speaker 6 (01:22):
Are you tired of?
Speaker 3 (01:24):
Yeah? I traveled all day yesterday too many delayed all day,
but made it all day, man, literally, but I did
make it.
Speaker 5 (01:32):
You're in the burg.
Speaker 3 (01:35):
I'm in State College.
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Oh well, you're going here.
Speaker 6 (01:38):
You're staying the burg, all right.
Speaker 3 (01:41):
So when they announced that I was doing the college,
I didn't want to say the name because you know,
talking about my you know my.
Speaker 6 (01:54):
Man, I'm not like that.
Speaker 3 (01:57):
All right. Well, they're taking care of my room.
Speaker 6 (02:00):
Which i'd hope they would, by the way.
Speaker 3 (02:02):
Yeah, yeah, they're taking care of Mara.
Speaker 6 (02:04):
See it all worked out, man, it works awesome.
Speaker 3 (02:07):
Yeah, I would no Motel six. I'm gonna say the
Burg would have probably been more fun today and tomorrow.
Speaker 6 (02:18):
But in State College.
Speaker 3 (02:20):
Being in state college is good.
Speaker 5 (02:22):
You're doing game day.
Speaker 6 (02:26):
He's a guest picker.
Speaker 3 (02:27):
I'm a guest picker.
Speaker 6 (02:29):
Did you miss that? Last night? We were on a
text chain together, Jonas.
Speaker 3 (02:34):
I think he's being funny right now.
Speaker 7 (02:35):
What's doing I see? I can't tell because honestly, he'll
be like, dude, I'm just so busy. I'm just I've
got so many things going on.
Speaker 3 (02:42):
What are you doing? I had to throw the ball,
the baseball than the football. Then we need to do
batting practice. Then we like sound just like that?
Speaker 7 (02:53):
Should I give you a piece of advice that at
all seriousness from two guys who have a like just
a bud of kids.
Speaker 6 (03:01):
You can't play that card with us. You just you
can't play You really can't the all busy card. You're
not that busy, trust me, you're not.
Speaker 7 (03:08):
You're not that busy until until you get to having
more than two you can then start to talk.
Speaker 6 (03:14):
You don't even have to do yet, So you can't
use that card with us.
Speaker 7 (03:18):
That It is the most My wife talks about the
sometimes too, where there are people they are like, oh
I'm so busy, Like oh yeah, you're busy. Okay, all right,
Like there's no there's no legitimacy to what you say.
Speaker 5 (03:30):
Well, sorry, first of all, what does that.
Speaker 3 (03:32):
Have to do? First of all?
Speaker 6 (03:34):
What First of all, what.
Speaker 5 (03:35):
Does that have to do with LeVar Arrington going on.
Speaker 3 (03:37):
Another Don't try to don't try to ship it.
Speaker 4 (03:41):
That's what you did, because that's what the original. That's
what the original conversation was.
Speaker 3 (03:46):
Because you're acting you're acting like you're unaware of the news,
when it.
Speaker 6 (03:51):
Was because you missed it a group text.
Speaker 4 (03:52):
I'm the one who sent it to you guys on
the group text. I'm aware I sent it to you,
don't that guy.
Speaker 3 (03:59):
I had to smoke you out.
Speaker 5 (04:01):
Yeah, smoke this then.
Speaker 4 (04:03):
I'm telling you right now, if Game Day, if Game
Day went to Vampire State, I would not appear if
they asked me to.
Speaker 5 (04:12):
I don't care what it is. I got loyalty, loyalty
to Big News.
Speaker 6 (04:17):
We've talked about this before.
Speaker 7 (04:18):
By the way, we always said Jonah would be like Deuce,
I'm out, sorry, bitches.
Speaker 3 (04:24):
Jonas would be out. That's why I'd be trying with
the challenge every year. He'd be trying to get Fox
or somebody to notice him doing TV.
Speaker 5 (04:33):
No, that's yet.
Speaker 6 (04:36):
Let me you something.
Speaker 5 (04:39):
It's still a challenge.
Speaker 3 (04:43):
That show has not worked to what Q or what
what Jonahs wanted as his advantage of getting ahead and
the work.
Speaker 5 (04:51):
For to I just work, man, Just a busy gather works.
That's it. That's all I do. All right, that's all
I'm about.
Speaker 6 (04:58):
We'll think about something that works. Seahawks still work, even
though that second half got a little dicey for him.
Speaker 4 (05:04):
I still am not convinced that they're legitimate contenders.
Speaker 5 (05:10):
But they are.
Speaker 4 (05:11):
Way better than I expected them to be. Like I
thought this was going to be an awful year for Seattle.
And yeah, the second half got a little bit sketchy there,
but way better than I thought they'd be.
Speaker 5 (05:21):
And Sam, I mean our fool's goal.
Speaker 6 (05:26):
Well didn't you pick it?
Speaker 3 (05:26):
The wind that I can't believe I picked them. I
can't believe I picked.
Speaker 1 (05:30):
Them sticks picks.
Speaker 6 (05:35):
Fools goal but sor right?
Speaker 3 (05:38):
You know?
Speaker 6 (05:39):
You know what I can't what how good? How good
Vegas is with prop bets?
Speaker 7 (05:44):
For example, I believe Donald's like over under in passing
yards was two forty four or yesterday when we were
doing more or less, I kept looking at all these
different you know, stats, different things like obviously, uh.
Speaker 6 (05:59):
Did any of ours it? Did any of our picks
for draft kings?
Speaker 5 (06:04):
Yeah, Kyler Murray over rushing yards? I think it was
a Knocks twenty eight and a half.
Speaker 6 (06:11):
Oh, yeah, you go gat good for you.
Speaker 4 (06:13):
I mean it needed a big scramble in the second
halfort to do it, but yeah, it didn't.
Speaker 3 (06:18):
Mad it. He got it.
Speaker 5 (06:21):
And by the way, LeVar, we talked you into Marvin
Harrison Junior over to score over a half touchdown.
Speaker 6 (06:28):
He did it.
Speaker 5 (06:29):
Big win.
Speaker 6 (06:30):
He did it.
Speaker 7 (06:30):
There you go, big win. So I guess I'm able
to lose it. Trey Betson really didn't step up for
much of anything.
Speaker 6 (06:40):
You know.
Speaker 4 (06:40):
I actually think that Brady said something yesterday because I've
been trying to think about how to describe the Cardinals,
and I thought this is the best point made. And
normally I'm the one who makes the best points, but
you made the best point yesterday where you said they
should be farther along than they are. And I'm watching it, going, yeah,
(07:00):
that's that's like sums it up. Like Kyler Murray's on
his second coach, he's already been paid. Marvin Harrison Junior
is there. It just feels like, whether it's the fool's.
Speaker 3 (07:11):
Gold they hit their ceiling.
Speaker 5 (07:13):
I don't know what, and I don't know if the
ceiling wasn't.
Speaker 3 (07:15):
A high ceiling. It was not high, and I don't
know that it is a damn shame y'all hit y'all
got dang ceiling and it wasn't It was as tall
as Kyler mur it was. It was a job, a
whole lot of people that won't be able to stretch out.
It's not a high enough ceiling. It was.
Speaker 5 (07:31):
It was a jockeys dressing room. That was their ceiling.
Speaker 3 (07:34):
They got it. They got to crawl into their space.
That is not a high ceiling.
Speaker 4 (07:39):
And and I'm wondering now that we think about it.
You remember that playoff game. They had their only playoff game
with Kingsbury and they got annihilated by the Rams, And
I just I'm wondering, was that it.
Speaker 7 (07:52):
Can they get back to the playoffs? Like it's a
valid question. The imagine that ownership group wanting to blow
up that franchise with a team that who was missing
for the first six games of that next year. Remember
because they made the playoffs, they got blown out the
next year. Who is servant was Hopkins DeAndre six games suspension?
Speaker 5 (08:14):
Yeah, oh god, he was on the gap.
Speaker 6 (08:15):
Do you remember that?
Speaker 7 (08:16):
And then then they got off to a bad start,
didn't have a great year, and they're like, all.
Speaker 6 (08:20):
Right, let's blow this whole thing up. It's like, oh,
all right, well, I guess we're just gonna throw the towel.
They got blown up and they haven't recovered since.
Speaker 3 (08:31):
Yeah, it just I don't know. I got to see
parts of it when when I had internet service and
and just looking at it.
Speaker 6 (08:43):
They don't have internet out there.
Speaker 3 (08:45):
No, they had internet on the plane, but you know
sometimes on the planet.
Speaker 7 (08:50):
Yeah, I thought you were making the Amige country in Pennsylvania.
You're like, yeah, we went through. They didn't have any
they didn't have any internet.
Speaker 3 (08:58):
No, I was on the plane.
Speaker 6 (09:01):
You do know Penn State is surrounded by Amish country.
Speaker 3 (09:04):
Yeah, yeah, shippings Burg craftsmanship, what else? We went through
this before we did the list of men and night
uh big men in nite towns in Pennsylvania.
Speaker 6 (09:17):
We did this, but I don't ever see them show
up for Penn State caps.
Speaker 3 (09:22):
I don't know. I don't under I mean and why.
I mean, you would think that they would because it's.
Speaker 7 (09:28):
We are they don't say Penn State.
Speaker 3 (09:35):
But there's no technology needed. I mean, I've never seen
no no horse carts or buggies parked, you know, in
the in the park. I bet you they have the
best tail games. They'd be having some shock.
Speaker 7 (09:48):
Jonas doesn't punched out of this group of people because
they can't.
Speaker 4 (09:51):
Hear us, so, oh well, yeah, they're irrelevant to me,
like I don't even and actually they don't know no more.
Speaker 3 (09:58):
I'm around Jonas, I feel like Jona missus Amish And
that might be why he's not he's not taking any
shots at him. You do radio.
Speaker 5 (10:07):
First of all.
Speaker 6 (10:07):
First, First of all, I bet you could put together
like a chair or something.
Speaker 4 (10:15):
First of all, the Amish. The Amish would be the
only people impressed by my truck.
Speaker 5 (10:21):
That's it.
Speaker 4 (10:21):
That's the only group that would look at my truck
and go, you know what is that from outer space?
Speaker 5 (10:25):
No, it's two thousand.
Speaker 3 (10:26):
They might actually open the gerbils power.
Speaker 7 (10:34):
They might accept it. They might actually put it next
to a horse and carriage.
Speaker 5 (10:38):
They might use a horse for it. Once the motor dies.
Speaker 3 (10:42):
Engine no, no, no gasoline engine up in there. They
he got small goats up in there running.
Speaker 6 (10:48):
I'm not gonna lie.
Speaker 3 (10:49):
Bro.
Speaker 6 (10:49):
You want to talk to you on your your bluetooth
and your truck is awful?
Speaker 5 (10:53):
Oh yeah, that's bad.
Speaker 6 (10:54):
It's like it sounds like you're talking in a tin can. Yeah.
Speaker 4 (10:58):
My wife, when I take my wife's car, she's always like,
why don't you just connect the bluetooth to the speaker,
I'm like, I don't know how that works.
Speaker 5 (11:03):
Like I have a CD player my truck, I don't
know how that works.
Speaker 4 (11:07):
I'm just not familiar with that.
Speaker 3 (11:11):
You look under his truck while you're driving.
Speaker 6 (11:13):
You see little goat feet.
Speaker 3 (11:14):
Little goat, Paul, the little goat hoofs on the ground.
Speaker 5 (11:19):
You say, little jettle's under there.
Speaker 3 (11:22):
He got a G eight eight eight. Yeah, some turbles.
Speaker 5 (11:28):
Who's my mechanic, Richard Gear? But grow up. The point
is we've got that point is that was.
Speaker 3 (11:37):
More interested in talking about the games.
Speaker 5 (11:40):
You're just out on on the Arizona Cardinals.
Speaker 3 (11:43):
That's that's on the Seahawks. But I'm not a believer
in Sam Darnold right now. I don't know why. I
felt like I felt like his performance was underwhelming and
if the defense didn't do what they need to do
in the offense for Arizona wasn't what they were last evening.
I feel like, you know, and Kyler Murray's game wasn't
(12:05):
bad by the way. I mean, he just didn't protect
the ball. And they don't have a running game. I mean,
it hurt not having Connor and you know they don't
really have It's like Marvin Harrison Junior. I think we
touched on this last last show. It's it's it's strange.
(12:27):
You would think that he would be as close, he
would be close to having as much dominance as he
did in college by now, Like by now, you'd be like,
dude is flashing for real, Like he's he's he's a guy,
like he's he's, he is the franchise. Like you would
(12:49):
think that you would see those types of performances from
him by now, and it just hasn't, you know, it
just hasn't unfolded that way. I mean, he's good, he's
been serviceable.
Speaker 5 (13:00):
Street was really trying to will it into existence last
night though.
Speaker 3 (13:03):
Yeah, yeah, I mean he I mean, because he does
just enough where you're like, okay, okay, but it's like
it's not it's not that next level dude, But.
Speaker 6 (13:15):
I don't want to put a hole on him.
Speaker 7 (13:18):
Like That's the thing is Kyler Murray's played pretty consistent
and I don't think he's got a ton of help.
Like when do we ever talk about the Cardinals B
defense been a top ten defense, well, at least consistently.
They might have their stints, but not consistently. When do
we talk. I mean, James Connor's hurt. That was obviously,
you know, a pair last night. But the offensive lines
(13:39):
never dominant in protection or rue game. You know, they're
at times good. But this team, the roster, everything, it's
it's never one that we look at and we say,
all right, they should at least I didn't. I didn't
think that they should win the NFC West. They should
be one of the top teams in the NFC, Like,
I don't put anything on this roster ahead of the
(14:02):
Rams or San France. And then you could start talking
kind of how they shape up versus Seattle, And mind you,
these two teams always play each other tough, like this
is the sort of thing where the Seattle one in Arizona,
Arizona one went in Seattle later in the year. It
happens all the time if you look through the history
of these two teams playing. I don't know why I've
called these games. It's just weird. They always play each
(14:25):
other tough, they always play each other close, and they
usually steal one from the other on the road. But
the general point is, I just the roster's not where
it needs to be, you know. Marvin Harrison Junior clearly
is not where he needs me. He played better last night,
the big touchdown catch. You could tell in that moment
how much it meant to him. But man, that pick,
(14:46):
like it was a perfectly thrown ball, tipped volleyball setted
right to the Seattle secondary in the first half, that play.
Speaker 6 (14:54):
Just can't happen. Like it can't happen.
Speaker 7 (14:57):
What's astonishing is it never happened for mar Harrison Junior
at Ohio State and some of these issues he's having now,
Like I don't know what what you draw the conclusion to, Like,
I don't know that there's been a player that I
thought would come in right away and have a bigger impact.
I mean, I can't think of one off the top
(15:18):
of my head that I thought was more NFL ready
give it his pedigree, given everything we watched him do,
given the way other teams would talk about him, just
how other teams would say, like if there's one guy
who could take over a game, it's Mormon Harrison juniorbelievable, Ashton,
not even Gentsy, not even gents not even genty like,
(15:38):
because there's elements of what Harrison Junior could do versus
double coverage one on one, you know, I just I just, man,
it's crazy. I really thought he was gonna have a
much bigger impact than what he's had as far as
Gend's impacted.
Speaker 6 (15:50):
I mean, he's not a bad.
Speaker 7 (15:52):
Football team right now, and he just got started. Harrison's
had a year, you know, He's had a year and
some games now, and you're just like, man, it's still
not consistently clicking. If you're asking what's the one thing,
it's it's probably that because that's when you look at
the roster, you're like, well, that guy needs to be
you know, catch.
Speaker 6 (16:08):
For over one hundred yards every single game.
Speaker 4 (16:11):
Yeah, it's a uh, it's a rough go last night
for Marvin Harrison Junior until the touchdown and he had
a big catch towards the end. I also thought this,
like if you got the ball and I know that
they missed the landing zone and and well.
Speaker 7 (16:26):
Talking about that though, yeah, because for everyone who wanted
to what was the other game that they made a
big deal about because they couldn't kick it out of
the end zone for a touchback Santos?
Speaker 4 (16:36):
It was Cairo Santos. It was the Bears, Vikings, I
think it was I think it was the first game
of the year.
Speaker 3 (16:45):
Like, this is the other end of this was one
that just happened. Yeah, this just happened.
Speaker 6 (16:50):
What you was talking about, Yeah, but like this is
the other end that no one talks about.
Speaker 7 (16:55):
It's like, all right, it's not like this it's a
gimme that you're gonna like kick the ball out of
bounds whatever else.
Speaker 6 (17:01):
I mean, it's not an easy spot to be in.
Speaker 7 (17:04):
Like I think everyone understood he was trying to kick
the ball so they had to return it to run
time off the clock.
Speaker 6 (17:08):
But then he kicks it too short. You know. It's
like it's a it's a fine line.
Speaker 7 (17:11):
It's not an easy thing to do necessarily, So I
just I think the I guess the interesting that I'd
point out about the kickoff is it has become a
consequential play, like more so than ever yeap, And I'm
not sure if that's a good thing or a bad
thing as far as we're how we're rewarding or penalizing
teams with it, because I don't know that you should
be penalized to the point where they get the ball
(17:33):
of the forty yard line, And it seems like kind
of an egregious penalty for just like kicking it short
to what the twenty or twenty one.
Speaker 6 (17:40):
It's it's I don't know.
Speaker 4 (17:41):
It's like when they move the pat back all of
a sudden, it's become a real play again.
Speaker 5 (17:46):
And you're wondering, like, is that the most.
Speaker 4 (17:48):
Fair way to put kickers in? Yeah, well the plays
and automatic, so we're going to make it more difficult.
And you've seen kickers miss pats all the time ever
since then. And I was watching that game last night,
going and all right, so they get the ball at
the forty Realistically, nowadays, with the way kickers are, you
only need twenty yards, like you twenty yards and they
(18:12):
had what like fifty something or thirty something seconds left
and a timeout like it, Like that's a a an
eternity to be able to get into position with the
way guys kick now. And if you're Brandon Aubrey, like
all you need to just get me to the forty five,
can you guys pick up? You know, fifteen yards? Just
get me to the forty five will be fine. Like
the whole game has changed with the way kickers are
(18:32):
are bombing kicks now, it's no longer well they got
to really drive deep. They got to get to the
thirty if they want to shot at this whole thing. Man,
they just need to go twenty yards and they're within
field goal range. Now it's wild and I don't know
what it is. I'm not going to accuse anybody of
being on the gas, but I just think we need
to look into that, all right. Just it's not this
(18:56):
is abnormal distances. The kickers are kicking from from what
we've always known.
Speaker 6 (19:03):
So who's gonna piss hot? Like? Who challenging?
Speaker 5 (19:06):
I don't know. Andrew jack is, what's what's he up to?
Speaker 3 (19:12):
I don't know hot?
Speaker 6 (19:13):
Do you think levard piss hot right now? If you
tested him?
Speaker 5 (19:16):
No? No, I.
Speaker 3 (19:20):
Mean if you think I'm pissing hot the way I looked,
then what a waste of time?
Speaker 6 (19:25):
Don't don't start doing that way? What a waste. Don't
don't you dare, don't you dare go down this road.
Speaker 3 (19:30):
I'm just saying, if I'm gonna stand up for yourself,
more different than this, you stan, I mean, do you
have to lift weights if you use gas?
Speaker 6 (19:41):
You should see?
Speaker 4 (19:42):
Here's I think the problem. I think what's happening is, uh.
Speaker 5 (19:46):
You see Zion Williamson well, I think that's.
Speaker 3 (19:50):
A different type. He's he's unletted right now, what's that Olympic?
Speaker 6 (19:54):
What are you doing?
Speaker 5 (19:56):
The problem is LeVar was doing You only look to
say bar.
Speaker 4 (20:00):
Was doing research on the plane last night and he
went down a deep dive on Jamie Lee Curtis, and
so I think that kind of threw him off to
getting into that.
Speaker 3 (20:07):
Did throw me off a little bit. After a good
spit out of my beverage and and a good laugh,
I tuned.
Speaker 6 (20:16):
Out for me, that's very accurate. That what you're saying,
that's what the that's what the that's what the.
Speaker 3 (20:25):
Headline head that's what the headline said. I mean, they're
twins like Danny DeVito and Arnold schwartz Maker. And even
that's closer than what that was. That that's on that
that that picture and our kids, because the one daughter
is clearly a very very very good looking daughter, and
(20:49):
then the other one kind of looks like, you know,
like you know, like he'd be like delivering your I mean,
she would be delivering your your mail, you know, I
don't know. One looked like a SI swimsuit cover model.
The other one looked like they were like you know,
delivering you know, boxes to your house.
Speaker 5 (21:11):
S a prep star.
Speaker 3 (21:13):
You know that person at the local uh, you know grocery,
you know that's doing the meats and the butcher shop.
You know that's what the other daughter looked like. IM
just saying, why do butchers all look the same, by
the way, Like, have you ever seen a butcher that
didn't look like a butcher?
Speaker 6 (21:32):
Yeah? I don't think butchers look the same at all.
Speaker 3 (21:35):
You don't.
Speaker 6 (21:37):
No, I'm not on whatever you're saying right now. Oh
what do you mean by that?
Speaker 5 (21:42):
What do you mean by that?
Speaker 3 (21:49):
What do you mean that?
Speaker 5 (21:50):
It's all about first impressions? And no, no, what do
you mean?
Speaker 4 (21:54):
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(22:16):
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Speaker 5 (22:18):
So we are gone.
Speaker 6 (22:19):
By the way, did you look at how many games
I put down there?
Speaker 5 (22:21):
Jonas a lot of them.
Speaker 4 (22:22):
It's a lot really big fan of one of your picks,
big fan.
Speaker 7 (22:26):
Of talk me a little bit about Daddy's squawk, all right,
and then talk to me about that's how many picks
I've got. So while I'm doing my picks, I'm gonna
need you to give out your favorite Daddy squad.
Speaker 5 (22:36):
There's a.
Speaker 4 (22:38):
There's a lot he got frisky for this week, and
you'll get to hear them all if you listen to
the podcast afterwards, which is rare in the past couple
of weeks.
Speaker 6 (22:47):
Uh.
Speaker 4 (22:47):
So we're gonna have that. We're gonna have our picks
against the spread. We've got the leftovers, we got in
case you missed it. All of it is yours here
on this three hour extravaganza. Up next, though, guess what
the NFL is going to be moving around a little bit,
moving around a little bit. Not sure if you're gonna
be a fan of it, but find out next here
on FSR.
Speaker 1 (23:05):
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Speaker 8 (23:18):
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Speaker 4 (23:27):
To and that's why we have a brand new podcast
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Yeah, you blubber list lame and me. Well, you know
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Speaker 8 (23:44):
You should be good at it because you've been over
promising women for years.
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Well, it's a Cavino and Rich after show, and we
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going to be in Europe again this weekend. We've got
the Vikings, We've got the Steelers. They're in Dublin.
Speaker 7 (25:29):
You know, yes, we may know somebody who what what
a place?
Speaker 5 (25:33):
What a place?
Speaker 4 (25:35):
Our Lord and Savior, Scott Shapiro is going to be
there seeing his skull Vikings. Yeah, going to be out
there to go see him. A big event for everybody,
and everybody's really fired up about it. And then Roger
Goodell says in an interview with CNBC that there are
international markets that could manage an NFL team, which I'm
(25:57):
sure that they are. I would just ask this question, have.
Speaker 3 (26:01):
We really.
Speaker 4 (26:03):
Gone everywhere we could in the US? Like, is there
no market in the US that could also support a
team that we need to grow at internationally? Is there
not a city in the US or a market in
the US that could use a little love from the
NFL as opposed to taking all of this and sending
it overseas to Europe, Like that's that's my big question.
Speaker 7 (26:26):
I don't think it's one about that, Like you're not
looking at this the way the NFL season, the NFL
season as the way of growing the sport to grow
their bottom line. And I would say this, tell me
which is more valued a franchise in Jacksonville, Florida or
one in London?
Speaker 5 (26:47):
Probably London.
Speaker 6 (26:48):
Okay.
Speaker 7 (26:49):
What about the difference between I don't know, Carolina versus Frankfurt, Germany,
or let's say doublin Ireland.
Speaker 3 (26:55):
That one's more debatable because I mean Carolina, it's not
it's a nice market.
Speaker 6 (27:01):
It's not. It's a small market.
Speaker 3 (27:03):
It's how small Well.
Speaker 6 (27:06):
I wouldn't I don't think it's I don't know it's
in the top.
Speaker 3 (27:08):
Twenty Charlotte, Charlotte, Right, yeah, I don't know, Go ahead,
keep talking.
Speaker 6 (27:15):
No.
Speaker 7 (27:15):
My general point is like, if you're looking at trying
to grow the fan interest and the franchise value of
these teams, the best way they'll be able to do
it is if they go to a larger city where
they're going to be able to be more absorbed by
that market, you know, create more value for their franchise.
Speaker 6 (27:33):
Like, that's the immediate way you'd be able to.
Speaker 9 (27:35):
Do that market twenty first, yeah, yeah, so and again
if you think it's bigger than you know, some of
these bigger international cities, it's it's not even close.
Speaker 3 (27:47):
It's not. Yeah I meant you on that, Yeah I agree.
Speaker 7 (27:52):
But but but that's how the that's the thing is,
people aren't looking at this anymore from as a fan.
The second that you allow teems to be bought a
best percentage of by private equity, you should the running
is on the wall. Folks like these, these owners don't
care about the fans.
Speaker 6 (28:11):
They don't.
Speaker 7 (28:12):
They don't a lot of business owners don't care about
their customer.
Speaker 6 (28:15):
As much anymore.
Speaker 7 (28:17):
They don't like we have hit an inflection point in
our society where if you own a business, you're going
one to two ways. You're either, you know, passing it
down to your family, and you're gonna try to run
that thing as best way you see, because you know
that that matters long term for your kids. That's part
(28:38):
of your legacy. That's what you're leaving them. That's one route.
We don't really see that as much anymore. I mean,
we were seeing that with the earthsdays. I guess with
mister passing, obviously he has been passing it down to
his daughters. You know, we see with some other organizations,
the rounies or you go out the maras with the
New York Giants. But in some cases, look at the Broncos,
they can get passed down from mister Bowleen to his kids.
Speaker 6 (29:00):
Those are the states. So they sold it. Now the
Wallden family's involved in that.
Speaker 7 (29:06):
So the other direction is maybe the kids don't want
to run it, Maybe they just want to cash out
of the business.
Speaker 6 (29:11):
They don't want to be a part of that business. Well,
then they're selling it.
Speaker 7 (29:14):
And once you sell it, you're selling it to someone
who has no ties whatsoever, no history whatsoever with the
whatever that is sports team, name your business. And what
happens is that it becomes all about the bottom line.
How am I going to recoup what I'm paying for
this business so I can sell it one day and
make out like abandon or make my return on my money.
Speaker 6 (29:37):
That's what this has become.
Speaker 7 (29:39):
And so we can sit here right in the here
and now, in the short term and go, oh no,
they're just trying to expand the footprint of the NFL stuff.
Speaker 6 (29:48):
But the reality is there is a.
Speaker 7 (29:50):
Longer term plan of how the NFL is not going
to plateau and how it's going to keep growing, and
the franchise values of these teams is going to keep growing.
You know, people look at flag football as being a
part of the Olympics as this push for everything's gonna
move to flag at some point one day.
Speaker 6 (30:10):
No, it's not.
Speaker 7 (30:10):
No, that's the easiest way to segue to get other
countries more interested in the sport of football. So then
once you get them in on flag, then they come
see the real version of them like, dang, this is sweet.
We need to start doing this and once that hits,
once that takes, you can say it's not gonna work.
Speaker 6 (30:29):
It already is. That's the reality. It already is.
Speaker 5 (30:31):
It's just a gateway.
Speaker 3 (30:32):
Tried it, they've tried it before. It's not it will.
American football will never be more than what it is.
Too much more than what it is.
Speaker 7 (30:45):
Now talk to me from now man, because the reality
is what they're seeing is NFL Europe, right, which was
not are the starters, was not the best of the best,
laid the groundwork for a lot of why you see
the fandom of football today today.
Speaker 6 (31:01):
It failed. It failed, and it didn't fail.
Speaker 7 (31:04):
They chose to shut it down. They weren't putting enough
money into it. And that's fine, however, you but that
doesn't mean that it's not gonna work.
Speaker 3 (31:11):
Now, that's a fail.
Speaker 7 (31:12):
NFL NFL Europe was honestly probably one of the greatest
thoughts for spreading the game of American football. Preparing quarterbacks
for mind you or even other players like that might
have been the best idea for a developmental league ever
because players who weren't getting experienced were getting experienced in real,
(31:33):
live game scenarios. Coaches who were maybe position coaches, they
got to call plays, they got to be coordinators, they
got to be maybe head coaches in some cases, So
that was that element of it. You had officials who
maybe weren't ready for the NFL, but they got the
experience and they got some tread on their tires from that.
You even had broadcasters like talk to Troy Aikman, talk
(31:55):
talk to people who when they first got into broadcasting,
guys who went over and did game gas over there,
producers behind the scenes, analysts on camera like Todd Brady
would have done some games where he could kind of,
you know, start off, start off his career now on
the biggest national stage.
Speaker 6 (32:11):
All that stuff was one of the best ideas ever.
Speaker 3 (32:14):
Development of it was as well developed and as successful
as you're saying it would still be here and it
would be bigger.
Speaker 6 (32:22):
That's no, that's not true, dude. That's not how business works.
Speaker 7 (32:26):
Because there's great businesses that are ideas, but they're Okay,
you don't even it doesn't work.
Speaker 3 (32:31):
It doesn't. It doesn't if it.
Speaker 6 (32:33):
Does, not that it didn't work.
Speaker 7 (32:35):
The owners didn't want to keep putting money into it.
Speaker 6 (32:38):
And that's the.
Speaker 3 (32:39):
Problem is the business that Well, explain how that? How
does that?
Speaker 6 (32:43):
Okay, I'll explain on the sports just.
Speaker 3 (32:44):
How long on earlier on in the in the segment.
Now you're saying the owner, that's.
Speaker 7 (32:49):
How you're trying to create value for the franchise right now,
So how long did it take Amazon to turn a profit?
Speaker 6 (32:55):
Should they have just given up? Exactly?
Speaker 7 (32:58):
Should Jeff Bezos have just given up because they weren't
able to turn a profit?
Speaker 6 (33:05):
Like that's the reality of it.
Speaker 3 (33:06):
I feel like that takes that's not an apples the
apples conversation because the NFL is the NFL. NFL is
something totally different.
Speaker 6 (33:15):
That was developmentally yeah, yeah, developmental league, and so they
got tired of that.
Speaker 3 (33:20):
To that point, no development league has worked none. Sure,
I think the only successful the only successful outside of
the NFL. Football that works is Canadian League football, like
that's it.
Speaker 6 (33:32):
Which which which actually is failing more than ever now because.
Speaker 3 (33:36):
I mean it's never been relevant here otherwise than they're
changing postars, they're actually shortening the end zone.
Speaker 7 (33:41):
They've actually they're actually making a lot of changes to
make it more like American But that's a whole other
separate discussion. But the point is is the idea of
what it was was actually really smart. It was really
good for the league at that time. I mean you
had guys like Kurt Warner, Like, there's guys who came
out of that who made big impacts in the NFL.
There's people who are in TV production, there's people who
(34:02):
are coaches that were like, you man, that was a blast.
I got some experience, I learned a lot. So that's
an idea to me, sure, But but an idea doesn't
always become a great business. But what you're missing is
the fact that it did lay the groundwork for a
lot of the interests. Like when Jonas and I go
to Dublin and I talked to some of the people
who are interested about the game, some of the people
(34:23):
will mention, h they'll be like, oh, I first, you
know saw it back when an NFL Europe Like people
would mention that I know you were on.
Speaker 3 (34:30):
That cheat day, Like, yeah, I wasn't on that trip,
so I can't exactly.
Speaker 7 (34:33):
So I'm just telling you, like when people say that stuff,
you're like, oh, okay, it did have its impact on that.
And so in regards to the comment about the bottom line, yeah,
if you're able to move a franchise, like if I
took a business from California to Texas and immediately it
became have a greater enterprise value, would that not be
increasing the value of just by simply moving the company?
Speaker 3 (34:55):
Are businesses I do not believe. I do not believe, but.
Speaker 6 (34:59):
Yeah, that's how it works.
Speaker 7 (35:00):
You can move a business from one place to another
and it immediately get increase in value.
Speaker 3 (35:04):
The infrastructure of what football represents will never grow to
that level in abroad countries it will not.
Speaker 6 (35:14):
So you don't think we'll ever get a team in London.
Speaker 3 (35:17):
I think there will be a team that goes there eventually.
Do I think that it will be a successful, a
successful business venture to take multiple teams and end up
having multiple teams in Europe? The only way it's successful
is if you have advertisers and sponsors that see it
(35:40):
fit to be a part of what the bohemoth of
the NFL is marketing and advertising wise, and their product
is consumed abroad. Like to me that that would be
the only way it would make sense in terms of
it being a grassroots sport. It will never it will
(36:00):
never get to being a grassroots sport that grows organically
the way that intentionally the way it does here in America.
Speaker 7 (36:08):
So are you telling me that there's current sponsors of
the NFL that aren't global companies or don't want to
and maybe increase their reach.
Speaker 3 (36:16):
No, I'm saying that would be the reason why that.
Speaker 6 (36:20):
Would exactly so excess. That would make it, you know.
Speaker 3 (36:25):
That would make it purely for sponsor based driven content,
and which is how how you increase the way to
be grassroots. It wouldn't be grass pe. I'm not making
it containable.
Speaker 6 (36:37):
You're conflating the two points. I'm not.
Speaker 7 (36:39):
I'm not combining what NFL Europe was into anything other
than creating what the interest is in the American football
over in Europe.
Speaker 6 (36:47):
By what that did that you want to.
Speaker 3 (36:49):
Give a few couple of decades ago a spectacle to
go see, but it's largely a corporate driven event abroad.
Then sure you you put a team there or maybe
one more somewhere else, and that that works. But talking
about but if you're talking about putting an entire division
or a whole bunch of teams over there, I just don't.
Speaker 6 (37:10):
I don't see it, don't. I don't see.
Speaker 7 (37:12):
And that's what it went over there when we went
over with the Broncos. That's what they talked about. It
would make the most sense not to move one, but
to actually have four teams over there, because then if
as far as the travel back and forth in the
time zones, it would be more advantageous for those teams
to have an entire division.
Speaker 3 (37:29):
I'll bet that I know, raight, I'll bet you I'll
fade you on that one.
Speaker 6 (37:33):
I'll fade I'm just telling you what I was told
this like over a decade ago.
Speaker 3 (37:36):
Listen, if I'm just saying I'll fade you on, I mean,
I do not think that there will be four teams
that successfully exists in Europe.
Speaker 4 (37:42):
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Speaker 7 (38:40):
Yeah, and you wouldn't know it based on our podcast.
Speaker 6 (38:44):
But last week three and one.
Speaker 7 (38:45):
How about that hum Maryland Michigan unlv titwe there in Oxford, Ohio.
But they were able to come back and pull it
out finally against my Vihio and well, the loser was Illinois.
They got drummed by Indiana. We all witnessed that. I
have a's slated for you this week. You have to
feel confident after being three and one, nine and eleven
overall in the season.
Speaker 6 (39:07):
No one cares to hear about any of this.
Speaker 7 (39:08):
LeVar doesn't put in the work, he doesn't care about it,
so he's gonna sit this one out. First game up,
we've got Alabama headed to Georgia.
Speaker 6 (39:17):
They're getting three points.
Speaker 7 (39:19):
Now here's the This is not the same Bama team
as we're accustomed to seeing taken on Kirby Smart, which
by the way, it hasn't been overly successful anyway. But
this team struggled to win on the road, and also
they've been struggling to run the football. I think three
points it's just it's not enough in my opinion. So
three on the dot. There are DraftKings. You go ahead
(39:40):
and lay them with Georgia. They find a way of
winning and covering this number. Next up, another SEC matchup LSU.
They're headed to Old Miss. Now they're getting a point
and a half. So this is basically almost up picking
when it comes down to it. But Austin Simmons, the
starting quarterback for All Miss, he is out. Sean Bliss
goes as the backup quarterback. I don't need much more
(40:03):
than that, besides the fact that this transfer class has
been phenomenal for LSU this year. Their defense has improved
by over sixty yards a game and by multiple touchdowns
per game. That's how much better this LSU defense has been.
Even though Garret Nussamyer hasn't got off to really the
lightning hot start we thought he was going to. I
think they do enough not only just to cover this number,
(40:25):
but to outright win at Old Miss this week. So
LSU plus one and a half, they're on DraftKings. Next
up a battle in the Big twelve TCU. They're getting
three headed to Scottsdale to take on I should say
Tempi to take on Arizona State. Now, this was one
of the toughest picks for me this entire week. Josh
(40:45):
Uver has been playing phenomenal, maybe the best quarterback in
the Big twelve, but he's gonna have a chance to
prove it against Sam Levitt, who's also been playing really
well for Arizona State this year.
Speaker 6 (40:54):
It was a tough one. I think TCU is flying
under the radar. I think they're one of the best
teams in the Big twelve this year.
Speaker 7 (40:59):
So I'm gonna take the three points TCU on the road,
I think they start making a claim for being one
of the better teams in college football, potentially being a
playoff team.
Speaker 6 (41:07):
What it's all said and done.
Speaker 7 (41:09):
Next up, surprising number here for Florida State on the road,
headed to Charlottesville to take on Virginia. Florida State's given
seven points here. I just think with the way they've
been able to run the football and kind of dominate
the line of scrimmage. Don't want to say it's been
a surprise, but they've exceeded my expectations and that defensively,
I don't think UV has be able to put up
(41:30):
many points.
Speaker 6 (41:31):
Go ahead and lay the seven points.
Speaker 7 (41:33):
Florida State continues on building back up their reputation within
the ACC and the college football world. A couple a
few more for you loaded weekend of games USC. I'll
be there to see them take on the fighting a line.
I usually don't pick games that we're actually at. This
is one nowhere. It's hard to ignore some of the
deficiencies that Illinois has on defense. In particular, secondary which
(41:57):
is one of the strong points for USC is their
passing game. Jordan Miov has been phenomenal this year. Lemon
lane Lane's actually questionable before the game. We'll see if
you can end up suiting up for it. But I
think it's just too much firepower for Southern Cow. They
get another win to stay undefeated, and you lay the
seven points with Southern Cow on the road.
Speaker 6 (42:14):
Another big one.
Speaker 7 (42:15):
Ohio State taking on Washington out in Seattle. This number
has come down dramatically. However, It's gonna be interesting to
see if Washington Huskies, who haven't really played anyone, can
keep this one close. But the numbers eight and a
half on DraftKings, I like them on Williams Junior to
keep this close. I think the Huskies are able to
keep it within the eight and a half numbers. So
(42:36):
take the points and the Huskies at home. And finally
the big one, Penn State host an Oregon.
Speaker 6 (42:41):
They're given three and a half we are Take the ducks.
Takeea half in the ducks. Oh no, oh no.
Speaker 3 (42:53):
Twins, Wins take Arkansas. This weekend, everyone take Arkansas.
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