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Speaker 1 (00:01):
Is the best of two pros and a couple Joe
with LaVar airings Rady Winn and Jonas Knox on Fox
Sports Radio.
Speaker 2 (00:20):
And Away we go here on a Tuesday morning.
Speaker 3 (00:22):
It is two pros and a couple of year Fox
Sports Radio Brady Quinn, Jonas Dox with you here.
Speaker 2 (00:28):
No LeVar Arrington, I know, yeah.
Speaker 4 (00:31):
He's traveling though he's making his way back.
Speaker 2 (00:33):
He's making his way back. It's on the organ trail.
Speaker 5 (00:38):
We have a problem.
Speaker 3 (00:39):
LaVar is the only guy I know traveled from State
College and it may as well have been Singapore.
Speaker 2 (00:44):
Like, I have no idea how long it takes you
to give.
Speaker 4 (00:47):
Me somehow State College is in a completely different hemisphere for LeVar.
Speaker 3 (00:52):
Like he's got to go through warps and and booby
traps and all the other things to get back back
into Southern calif anyway.
Speaker 4 (01:01):
Can I be honest, Like I've been to State College
a number of times. There's morning flights out the next day,
and for whatever reason before never takes those into the
connecting And you can also drive to Pittsburgh, you can
drive to a few other spots, but he, for some reason,
always takes the late flight out and then somehow that
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was an issue, I guess, and then Monday went by
and somehow he still wasn't able to fly out. I mean,
it's it's hard to put it together, but I've been
there multiple times, had no issues getting out of state college.
Speaker 3 (01:35):
And now why would you think that he would take
the latest flight possible.
Speaker 6 (01:38):
What would be the reasoning behind that.
Speaker 4 (01:40):
Is, Well, Saturday night was a night game. It's the
white out, which for Penn State fans. And then by
the way, people were chiming in too much Penn State yesterday. Look,
we're done. We're not gonna talk about it. We're not
gonna talk about the white out and what a great
atmosphere it was, even though it still doesn't help them
win big games. But we're not gonna talk about that anymore.
(02:01):
We're talking about LeVar and not making it back in time. Yeah,
that's all. That's all we're saying.
Speaker 2 (02:05):
And by the way, it's a great game.
Speaker 4 (02:07):
It's a great game.
Speaker 3 (02:08):
We talk about it just to to a ps the
people that are fed up with the Penn State rhetoric.
Speaker 2 (02:13):
It's like, is what it is, and it's gone to
the two of.
Speaker 4 (02:15):
The best teams in college football. By the way, yeah,
there's some of those team there's those people who are
ticked off. They probably were like SEC fans, and they're
just upset that there's really no dominant SEC team. I mean,
if you went to for the four best teams in
the country right now, it's probably Ohio State. I think
it's fair to say Oregon, Miami's in there, and then
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i'd probably say Penn State.
Speaker 3 (02:38):
The way that game went, Uh yeah, yeah, that's that
makes sense.
Speaker 4 (02:44):
And then I think I think SEC folks get a
little hurt. So what about well, who who you want
to throw in their Obama old miss? All right, we
canna start talking about and them, We're gonna start talking
about them then.
Speaker 2 (02:56):
Yeah, but you know SEC fans, I mean bitter and
reasonable at times.
Speaker 4 (03:00):
Well, you know, college sports fans have a hard time
like dealing with the here and now, and they kind
of relied looking back on history. It's like, well, you know,
the SEC was dominating the past couple of years. Now
it's been the Big Ten and they're like what what what? No,
it's not like yeah, no, Michigan, they'll have to say
they won the national championship. They're like, oh, all right,
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well we were dominating before that, it's like, well, yeah,
that doesn't matter now. I mean SC fans, They're like, no,
SC still matters. You're like, no, that was like two
decades ago when you guys were paying people, you know,
and no one else wasn't maybe besides the SEC. It's
like that era ended when Pete Carroll left to go
to Seattle. Yeah, everybody, no one cares anymore. No one
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east of LA cares about Southern California anymore and their
football program.
Speaker 3 (03:45):
Funny, I got news for you. Nobody out here cares
about USC and their football program. Okay, and they can
say whatever they want stop all right, it's not the same.
It's not any more close to the same as it was,
and it's not any more close to the same as
it is in the Midwest and in the South. It
just isn't and it's never going to be. So they
can they can, you know, kick rocks for that whole narrative.
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Congratulations to the Miami Dolphins, they are in the win column.
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Congratulations fins to the left, fins to the right. The
Miami Dolphins going all black unis last night and get
it done against the vaunted New York Jets. And congratulations.
Darren Waller's back took some time off, right, man, good,
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got divorced time off.
Speaker 4 (05:03):
Oh that's not good.
Speaker 3 (05:04):
Tried to tried to make a rap song, and next
thing you know, he's out there on Monday Night football
during double barrel action and he's out there catching a
couple of touchdowns. So congrats to Darren Waller. But the
story of that game was the grotesque and brutal dislocated
me of Tyreek Hill.
Speaker 4 (05:24):
Just awful, awful, awful, awful.
Speaker 5 (05:26):
Man.
Speaker 4 (05:26):
That looked as bad as it looks. Although, do you
want to share with the audience of what you texted.
Speaker 2 (05:32):
Lavarn I, well, which part I feel like?
Speaker 4 (05:35):
Well, no, no, no, no, I want you to text the
part where I kind of pushed back of it on you.
Speaker 2 (05:40):
Okay, so I would.
Speaker 3 (05:42):
I was trying to figure out if it was just
the ankle, and this was my thought process.
Speaker 2 (05:46):
If it was just the ankle, just.
Speaker 4 (05:49):
Tell everyone what you said.
Speaker 3 (05:50):
Okay it was, you know, did he if it was
facing in the other direction, is it worse?
Speaker 2 (05:58):
All right?
Speaker 3 (05:58):
So because it was facing inward, does it make it better?
Because you can turn your ankle inward and you know,
maybe it just pops off again.
Speaker 2 (06:06):
This is when I thought it was the ankle, And then.
Speaker 4 (06:09):
I can I read what you texted? Sure, okay, the
exact text you sent was is it dislocated slash displaced
at the knee or the ankle? Then isn't it better
that it turned in and not out? Now you can
defend yourself in whatever way. My general point is, did
you flipping see how that thing was hanging?
Speaker 2 (06:31):
I didn't.
Speaker 4 (06:31):
It looked like something that as right now. I look
around our neighborhood and people starting to get out their
Halloween decorations, and you know, when they put together those
like distorted bodies either up against the wall around their
front yard. That's what it looked like. Yes, like my
kids were I had it on. My daughters were watching
and they're like, what just happened? And I get we're
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not going to go back and watch that, Like that
is as gruesome as it gets.
Speaker 3 (06:58):
I didn't see the other angle until I saw doctor
David Chow posted the video of it and the slow
mo and then I realized, oh god, that's his knee.
Speaker 4 (07:07):
And yeah, it's like everything in his knee too, by
the way, And the biggest concern is nerve damage. That's
why they rushed him to the hospital because that when
it bends like that in out whatever direction you're talking about,
there's there's potential for nerve nerve damage, which could be
you know, obviously impact like career ending impact and impacting
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his life moving forward.
Speaker 3 (07:29):
Mike McDaniel spoke after the game, the head coach of
the Dolphins, about the injury to Tyreek Hill.
Speaker 7 (07:36):
It was a dislocation. He was probably in the best
spirits of any player that I've ever you know, it's
such a terrible experience, but he was. He immediately had
white eyes and was talking, I'm good, just make sure
the guys get this win.
Speaker 6 (07:56):
You know, he was focused on the team.
Speaker 7 (07:57):
So outside of that, I'm sure I'll be giving more
information tomorrow.
Speaker 3 (08:04):
His speed is his superpower. I can't imagine.
Speaker 4 (08:08):
It's not a size.
Speaker 2 (08:08):
Yeah, Like, I.
Speaker 3 (08:09):
Can't imagine that he's the same after this, And I
don't want to be doom and gloom about it. But
when does anybody ever come back and they're the same
from an injury like that?
Speaker 4 (08:21):
Yeah, I can't think of one. I mean, well, Adrian Peterson.
I mean, it wasn't when he towards ACL but right,
it wasn't as gruesome as this. But he did come
back and have that ridiculous season where I believe he
went through over two thousand yards. Although that was kind
of it. He struggled after that. I think there's a
lot of things working against him. He's thirty one years old,
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you know, these are the sorts of things that you
know are harder to come by the older you get.
I don't know where he stood with the team. There
was so much chatter and there's a lot of things
that have been said about, you know, whether it was
his frustrations or his track, the off the field stuff.
Just so many things. I'm not sure how the team
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viewed him. So there's just there's a lot of things
up in the air, I think now. And look, the
one thing he has going for him to his advantage
is him being a little smaller size of stature, and
that should allow him to come back. And and you know,
it's not like he's a big offensive lineman. He's got
to put a bunch of weight on that. You know,
he's a receiver. But to your point, the cutting, the explosiveness,
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all that, you know, to be able to get that back,
it could It could take a couple of years if
it ever comes back.
Speaker 3 (09:34):
It's just like and then you just sort of the
you stereoone mortality in the eyes because you realize and
there's probably that it's probably shakes players on the field
as well too, who realize, oh, just like that, it
could go like that's it.
Speaker 2 (09:47):
It's like that.
Speaker 4 (09:47):
I mean, that wasn't a weird That wasn't that crazy
of a play. It's like the way he went down,
the way the defender kind of rolled on him. You know,
just it was it can it could happen a point.
I mean, you've dislocated your kneecap before.
Speaker 3 (09:59):
Right, that's a that's a great point. Yeah, I mean
it's the same thing. Also from experience when people were
I saw somebody made the comment like, yeah, it's dislocated.
Now they're trying to figure out if there's any ligament damage. Hey, yeah,
that's what happens when you dislocate stuff, all right, When
you dislocate stuff, there's ligament damage.
Speaker 4 (10:18):
So that, well, you dislocating your kneecap is the patel
is different than you actually dislocating your entire knee.
Speaker 2 (10:25):
Yeah, it's a fair point, but.
Speaker 4 (10:27):
Like they're not even comparable to one another, just so
you know.
Speaker 3 (10:30):
Yeah, but I just so you know, all right, and
dislocated my kneecap all right after my cousin popped it in.
Speaker 2 (10:36):
I got back up, I hit the.
Speaker 3 (10:37):
Free throw and refused an ambulance, all right, I refused
any of that. I hopped in a car, I went
to some vet because the urgent care was closed over
in Monmouth, Illinois, And next thing you know, I was
on the mend and I was never able to walk
the same again. But and it led to my hip
issues and all that because I was lazy.
Speaker 6 (10:55):
With my rehab.
Speaker 2 (10:56):
But that's you know, It's not about me here.
Speaker 3 (10:59):
It's about Tyreek Hill and the fact that that guy's
career is just probably never going to be the same again.
Speaker 2 (11:03):
If he's got a career after this. I mean, it's
like it's it's bad. So I don't know.
Speaker 4 (11:11):
I mean, not trying to be dooming gloom with you
on this one, but hall of fame if this is
if this is it, I mean he's been a you know,
first team All Pro five times. He's been a Pro Bowler,
I think what eight times? Like I would I would
say he's a shoeing for being a Hall of Famer.
(11:31):
Is that fair to say?
Speaker 3 (11:32):
Or I okay, well this is and I guess this
is where this stuff comes in. And I don't know
how much of an impact it should have, but I
do think it should have some impact the off field
stuff because there's a lot, yeah I know, And and
so that's what was.
Speaker 4 (11:50):
The past there. I get all of that, And look
that's for someone else to judge and someone else to
make that case. I'm talking purely football. If you look
at his resume purely football, I think he's a Hall
of Famer. Yeah, I think he's He's got the resume
for that that component's for someone else to judge him on.
But I mean he's won a Super Bowl. You know,
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he's got that as part of it as well.
Speaker 2 (12:17):
And by the way, he got better when he went
to Miami.
Speaker 3 (12:20):
That's the other part of this to where people say,
oh my god, he's leaving Patrick Mahomes for Tua Tako
bay Loo. It's like, look at the numbers. He got better.
His numbers got better with Tua.
Speaker 4 (12:30):
He got targeted more. I mean that's that's why he got,
you know, better with Tua. You know, if you go
back to twenty twenty three, I mean he got the
most targets he's ever gotten his career. So, like you're
assuming he actually should go for a lot of yards.
He led the league obviously receiving and touchdown receptions all that,
But when you're when you're getting targeted one hundred and
seven times, you know a year like you you're gonna
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put up a lot of stats.
Speaker 3 (12:53):
In that case, you remember when he missed the He
missed one game back that year, and I think he
was just over two hundred yard shy of two thousand.
Speaker 6 (13:02):
He was a monster that season.
Speaker 3 (13:05):
Yeah, so I think he missed the game too, right, Yeah, yeah,
he was one that just he missed that game, like,
oh well maybe you know that would have been his
opportunity to go to go get the two grand But
I just yeah, it's it's unfortunate you made the comment earlier.
You know, I don't know where he stood with the team,
And we were discussing when the latest legal issues came
out that while there's all these rumblings about him potentially
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being traded or that he would be a trade candidate
depending on how the season was going, when that stuff
came out, that probably dimmed any chances of that. And
now with this, it's you know, Miami's gonna have to
figure this out with with Jalen Waddle and with with
Darren Waller apparently who's off the at a retirement and
catching touchdowns on Monday Night football. But I just yeah,
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it's that's that's a rough way to go for Tyreek
Hill there. Supposedly he's at the hospital getting test done.
If any of that news comes out or any of that,
you know, more information on the injury comes out, will
have it obviously throughout the course of the show. Also
should be pointed out the Jets just aren't good man,
like I don't you know. And if you want to
talk about a team whose season would be viewed very
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differently based on a sixty yard field goal in Game
one against the Pittsburgh Steelers, that's the one. Because now
we look at Pittsburgh and it's like, man, they might
actually win their division and the Jets are sitting at
zero to four and are just the same old Jets.
And if that game goes the other direction, I think
it changes the complete conversation of New York and how
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they're viewed. Because last night it wasn't good. They were
turning the ball over.
Speaker 4 (14:38):
Oh it's just I don't agree with you on that
because I think we see Week one a lot of times.
Bad at football teams are going to be able to
play with better football teams. We see surprises all the
time in the NFL. Week one. The Jets are not
a good football team. They're a talented team, They've had
a lot of good players, but they are not a
good football team. And they're undisciplined. Thirteen penalties last night,
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you're kidding me, you know, three fumbles? Justin fields does
some things where you're just say like, there's not many
other guys if anyone in the league can do what
he can do. When he's scrambling around running for what
was a forty five yard fifty yard touchdown, whatever it was,
you know, that play was ridiculous. But you can't live
and die by that. In the NFL. There's just there's
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so much to be desired still in the passing game
and just his you know, evolution as a quarterback, continuing
to grow and adapt and get better in that way,
and they just they're not there yet. So it's I
understand it was a close loss week one, but that happens.
You know again, there's good there's good football teams who
struggle week one and then we kind of see what
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they are. I think Pittsburgh's a good football team. I
don't think the Jets are. And it's unfortunate because when
we picked our own three teams, you know, I got
stuck with the Jets and that's who I had to pick.
I should have went with the Giants, but we'll see.
I still think they'll win some football games this year.
I'm just I'm not overly optimistic.
Speaker 3 (15:59):
Yeah, and the and by the way, just so people
know a little behind the scenes, Brady throws out the idea, Hey,
let's let's find an OH to three team and we
have to sell them as having hope for the remainder
of the season. And so the obvious choice was the Texans.
Speaker 4 (16:15):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (16:17):
I was the first to respond. I knew that was
the obvious choice. I took the Dolphins. He's like, nah,
I don't want to take the Texans. That's the obvious one.
LaVar couldn't get the Texans out fast enough. He had
to go Houston was his pick. And then you know,
Brady got stuck with the Jets and you know, did
an admirable job trying to trying to sell them. Now,
Sauce Gardner, the guy that you that you backed as
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an OH to three participant potentially making a run. He
has a theory, all right, He's got this theory about
bad teams and calls against bad teams.
Speaker 2 (16:48):
Let's take a listen at West football.
Speaker 8 (16:50):
All these times, and I was just fear. I don't know,
like is a wrong a state? But I think I
get called for more so to base talk, foot bus
just not winning ty West. He's winning programs and it'd
be some egregious things and they don't get caught like
you know, Lendon players play like I got called on
something today, Whereas like I know the loud everything, and
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I'm just supposed letting just push off at the road.
I'm seeing kind of steps all that, like I'm not
going to catch the.
Speaker 3 (17:15):
Ball regardless kind of.
Speaker 8 (17:17):
I just feel like he generally, even in Mike Evans one,
I just feel like us not winning.
Speaker 4 (17:22):
It's just it's just what.
Speaker 8 (17:24):
Goes on, Like we don't win, and I feel like
we don't get the cause that we should get, and
we get caught the cause that we probably shouldn't.
Speaker 4 (17:32):
Get called for.
Speaker 2 (17:33):
See NFL's version of what came first, the chicken or
the egg.
Speaker 4 (17:38):
I don't know, he might be onto something. I think
there's a lot of people who've who've played Philadelphia this
year and they would say that like their dbs are
getting away with murder on the field. That was starting
to become kind of a thing on social media going
around that Philly. For whatever reason, they're not getting called
for investivo and for for DPI, and I don't know,
I mean it goes on forever. Then you know, the
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star player seems to get the tick a tack calls
and you know, meanwhile other guys get beat to crap
and they don't get anything. So maybe he's onto something
with that. I think there's just a greater variety of officiating,
and that's probably the biggest difference. Is some crews tend
to call more, some crews tend to call less, and
that usually has more to do with it than anything else.
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But maybe he's onto something here.
Speaker 3 (18:24):
I mean, listen, man, you're just not a good team.
And yeah, there's gonna be some calls, you know, but
as long as the check still cash, who cares?
Speaker 6 (18:33):
You know what I mean?
Speaker 3 (18:33):
Like, as long as you're getting checks like what you
just you know, take the l's. They're not going to
the playoffs. It's another losing season for New York. And
I'm almost positive, if memory serves me correct, this was
the Jets team this year. This Jets was the team
that LeVar backed. All right, this is the one. Yeah,
not any of the prosy ones, but this one.
Speaker 4 (18:55):
Again. We go back to the AFC East Division and
he was out on the Patriots. I think he had
them finishing fourth. I think that's what his pick was. Yeah,
maybe third or fourth, but that isn't going to work
out well for him. I would say this about the Dolphins.
Mike McDaniel was in his bag last night him. I
mean some of those play designs, the two little limp dude,
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the little nifty flip back on that of the reverse,
that was sick. I mean it was. It was one
of the more entertaining, like offensive games, at least from
the Miami standpoint that I'd seen from Mike McDaniel and
his staff. So kudos to them. Man. That was a
you know, Monday in football is a big stage. They
showed out and in the uniforms everything else lost one
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of their best players, still found a way to win.
So uh, that was a good win for Miami and
maybe a spark something for this team moving forward.
Speaker 3 (19:43):
And look, you know, I'm not trying to go back
on selling this zero to three team that was the
Dolphins before last night. But you know, they're at the
Panthers next, They've got the Chargers who are banged up.
They're at the Browns after that, they got the Falcons.
Those are some games they could win. Like they're they
are not complete. They're not going to the playoffs, not happening,
but at least they can have a respectable record potentially
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at the end of this whole thing. So there's some
winnable games for Miami and the Chargers are out. You
know Joe Alt now he's going to be gone, So
there's a chance that they could make a little bit
of a run here going a heater and I might
actually get a pick right for a change of this show.
Speaker 6 (20:21):
So who knows.
Speaker 3 (20:23):
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All right, so we are going to have the usuals
coming up later on. Dean Blandino is going to stop by.
We've got lots to discuss with him about some of
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the calls that were made in the NFL and in
college football. This weekend, we're also going to have another
edition of In case you missed it, We've got the leftovers.
All of it is yours here on this three hour
extravaganza up next though, Yeah, one team should really start
to worry about any chance at a playoff run based
on what we watched in the last twenty four hours.
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I gotta be honest with you. The mood changes when
that song comes on, and we know that you're about
ready to come on the air with us something about it.
Speaker 5 (22:16):
I got to be honest with you, I am. I
mean I didn't expect the fencing promo right before I
came in.
Speaker 4 (22:22):
I mean that's yeah, I'm probably probably better suited for
giving me.
Speaker 5 (22:27):
One hundred guesses on what was fencing was like one
on one and I'm into it.
Speaker 4 (22:34):
Have you done fencing before?
Speaker 5 (22:37):
My oldest son did when we were living in New
York did fencing for like one, like maybe like six
weeks and it was awesome, so awesome see a little
kids just stabbing each It was crazy.
Speaker 2 (22:55):
I mean one way to do it.
Speaker 3 (22:57):
By the way, speaking of violence, do you think Robert
sala is going to get fine for uh maybe allegedly
uh you know, giving a death threat to lead?
Speaker 5 (23:05):
Yeah, Robert the Robert Sala Leam Cohen Cohen, Like that
wasn't on my Bengo card. But I mean there was
a lot of like just people chose violence the the
you know, Ben Johnson, I mean there was a lot.
This weekend, it was it was is it.
Speaker 4 (23:22):
Me or are these coaches hyped up on something? They
all looked like they're like teetering on I don't know
if some vitamin T or some bog I don't know.
Speaker 5 (23:31):
We're not I thought the smelling soul salts were supposed
to pease banned, but you know, I don't know.
Speaker 4 (23:38):
It feels like they're for individual consumption, right. I believe
that's what the NFL came out said, is the teams
just can't provide them, but the players can use them.
Very similar to Aaron Rodgers who cracked on open right
before he threw the touchdown pass, DK Metcalf exactly, Dean,
where are we at on the kickoff? I believe based
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on the stats that I'm receiving from Mike Perreira, it's
made a dramatic impact on the play itself actually being
a play that matters now in football.
Speaker 5 (24:09):
Yeah, yeah, No, I think this is like we've talked
about they you know, the play is back where we're pushing,
you know, seventy five, seventy six, seventy seven percent of
kicks returned, we're getting long returns, we're getting uh, you know,
low injury rate. You know, I know, Mike, Mike, Mike
p sends the email out and he's always like he's like,
I'm fascinated by this and like, are you, Mike, is
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it that fascinating? I mean, they just they changed it.
It's we're going to get a lot of kick returns.
But I think the league is really happy with where
where they're at. You know, they'll just continue to be
interesting to see what the you know, what the scoring
numbers look like at the end of this year with
the touchback being into thirty five and where the drive
start ends up. Uh, but I think this is this
is it's good for the play and because look as
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recently as three years ago they were talking about taking
this play out altogether. It's been a dramatic, dramatic turnaround.
Speaker 3 (25:02):
Dean Blandino joining us here on Fox Sports Radio. So
we brought this up earlier and I wanted to ask
you about it because I just don't get it. So
right before halftime of the Illinois USC game on Saturday,
it looked like and there was a fumble called on
the field. Illinois fumbled the football near the goal line.
They showed replay and it looked like there was a
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clear view that he was down, yet they still kept
with the call. And it was one of those really
egregious moments to where you can't figure out, what are
you seeing that we're not seeing? Did you happen to
get a glance at the play? And why was that
call kept a fumble when it looked like it was
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very obvious that he was down and on the ground.
Speaker 5 (25:48):
Yeah, you know, kind I thought he was down as well.
It just looks like and what goes into those decisions,
And it's a very high standard to overturn, right, the
language it used to be saying disputable and then now
it's clear and obvious, and they really want it to
jump out so it's consistent. So it's not it's not
just us looking at the play and looking at it
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for ten minutes and piecing eight different angles together and
then everybody at home going, well, how did you change it?
They wanted to really jump out. Here's the shot. Here,
here's the knee on the ground, here's the ball. I
think that that's where that where I haven't really analyzed
that play too closely, but I think that's where that
decision ends up. It's like, Okay, there's some somebody and
there's multiple people involved in that decision. You've got a
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replay official in the replay booth, you've got a command center,
big ten has a command center back in Chicago and
the referee, and so if somebody just plans one little
seat of doubt, then they're going to go, Okay, well
we don't have enough. It's not clear and obvious. We're
gonna let the play. You know, we're going to uphold it.
I think that's where that one probably landed. And there's
going to be plays like that where you see it
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and you go, man, I said, that looks like you're down.
But for some reason that just somebody had some doubt
and they let it stand.
Speaker 4 (27:03):
Can I ask this, though, like, how are these officials
being coached on plays like that? Because you know, in
that instance, it's a turnover and it can automatically be
reviewed then correct. So in that in that case, if
they called that he was down, they can't review it.
So they're almost like better off letting it play out
and then hoping that they have a camera angle that's
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able to give them that sort of you know, conclusive evidence.
Is that Is that how it works?
Speaker 5 (27:29):
Yeah, that's one of the that's one of the little
quirks with replay is that you can still review it
if they roll them down, but if the defense picks
it up and and and runs it back for eighty yards.
If the officials rule it down, they can't give the advance.
So your take, if you rule down, you better be
one hundred percent sure because if there is that big
return and now replay shows that it was a fumble,
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the best they can do is give them all to
the to the you know, whichever defender recovered it at
that spot. So there is always going to be a
lean toward let it play out. I think sometimes we
see that go too far where there's like an obvious
especially on pass fumble with the quarterback right, it's an
obvious pass, and they just like kind of let it
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play out, and then everybody's kind of wondering, like what wait,
what that wasn't a pass, and then replay comes in
quickly and corrects it. So there is that element now
with replay where it's better to let it play out.
You still want the officials to roll on what they see.
If you're sure you're in good position, you see it,
call it, don't be indecisive, don't officiate to replay. But
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I mean that is a reality that the officials have
to have to deal with.
Speaker 3 (28:37):
Dean Blandino joining us here on Fox Sports Radio, Fox Sports,
NFL and College Football Rules analyst with us here on
two Pros and a Cup of Joves. So, have you
seen anything either in the NFL or in college through
the first you know, four or five weeks of the
season that you look at and go, they got to
get better at that in a hurry.
Speaker 2 (28:54):
As far as.
Speaker 3 (28:55):
Inconsistencies, anything that you've seen that is is a problem
right now from an officiating standpoint, Well, I.
Speaker 5 (29:04):
Know, if we talk about college, I mean everybody, targeting
is usually the number one topic. I think, you know,
I always see there's a there's there tends to be
a lot of conversation about targeting. Early. There's usually a
spike in the numbers because right these these these kids practicing,
they're not hitting, they're not going at full speed the
way that they do during games, you know, in in
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in fall practice and those types of things. So you
do see a little bit of an uptick. I think
everybody's kind of you get now into week five, you've
got you know, conference plays started, so I think everybody
kind of settles in. You're always going to have these
calls that you you can debate. The one thing, the
one thing I hate right now in college football, is
is the substitution. And when the offense suves and the
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defense and you see the andy, they milk it and
you get you get these these big defensive linemen that
are doing the wal cap job.
Speaker 4 (29:55):
I love it. I love it. It's so good though, it's
so good.
Speaker 5 (30:00):
To get my car, you know, it's like that.
Speaker 4 (30:02):
Just in that instance. Though, in that instance, do they
stop the play clock to allow for it that started
back up? Did they still the play clock run?
Speaker 5 (30:13):
Oh? The play clock goes. So when you sub, the
way it works, the offense subs and you'll see the
you'll see the referee they put both arms out right,
and so that they call that. That opens up the window.
Now the defense has three seconds to bring in their subs,
and if you don't sub within that three seconds, then
you're on your own. But then once that substitution process,
once that first sub steps on the field for the defense,
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now they get a chance to complete that substitution until
they lolligag onto the field and then okay, you know, Joe,
I'm gonna I'm gonna get in my stance. You go
off the field, and some teams are really good. And
now if that play clock goes to zero and then
and the defense was within the referee fields like they
were within that reasonable amount of time. It's going to
be it's going to be a delay game.
Speaker 6 (30:58):
Seeze all right, that's fun.
Speaker 3 (31:01):
By the way, Uh, we were talking about the eighty
Mitchell play where he fumbled the ball crossing the goal line.
Speaker 4 (31:08):
Can that's that's that's not going to change though, is it?
Speaker 5 (31:12):
No? It's like you would you everybody's like, everybody, Oh,
this whole is could you imagine when that happens and
we say, oh, by the way, Bill, Matt somebody you
know started to celebrate. Now we're going to give him
the ball back at the half yard line. I mean
it's a touchback. It's the end zone. Like, don't that
one get in the end zone?
Speaker 3 (31:31):
That one right there, like that deserves to go the
other direction and and the other team gets the ball.
But in cases to where it's not intentional or a
guy you know, is reaching for the goal line, only get.
Speaker 5 (31:42):
It, totally get it. So it's two separate rules.
Speaker 3 (31:46):
So is that has that ever been brought up at all,
like in an off season?
Speaker 5 (31:51):
Absolutely?
Speaker 3 (31:52):
And so what's what's the pushback on why a ball
going out of the end zone goes to the other team,
plus an extra twenty yards.
Speaker 5 (31:59):
It's consistent with with the other rules in terms of
when when you when when you as a team put
the ball into your opponent's end zone, whether that's on
a punt, whether that's on a kickoff, right, a fumble
into the end zone, that's a touchback. So so it's
consistent from that standpoint. The Competition Committee's feeling was always
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the end zones different, right, that's that's it's not like
at the fifty yard line. It's it's there's a lot
of reward getting the ball into the end zone, but
there should be some risk. And look, I get it,
I get it. When the when the when the running
back is diving for the end zone and he's trying
to hit that pileon and the ball just happens to
come loose six inches from the pilon and then hits it,
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that feels really tough to make that a touchback. But
then you watch the play where the guy's celebrating and
you're like, that should be a touchback. So my thing is,
it's tough to say, Okay, there's two different rules for
those two situations. I like that it's simple. I like
that it's consistent, and I just think that, hey, hold
on to the football when you're near the goal line.
I think that's that's the biggest thing for me.
Speaker 4 (33:05):
It'll never make sense to me. I'm not sure what
goes on inside a player's head whereas that first, like,
let's get the touchdown first, then celebrate. But I digress.
We had some sound from Sasgard earlier. He feels like,
if you play on a bad team, there's just more
calls against you versus some of the better teams. That's
essentially how we put it. I will say this in
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his defense Dean Philly, And this has become like a
thing on social media. People are putting out eclipse of
their dbs getting away with murder. So, yeah, I understand
there's differences in cruise, et cetera. But I mean, is
there anything to this as far as what Sauce is saying.
Speaker 5 (33:46):
Yeah, I don't look, I don't think. And they've done
studies and you know, ESPN did a deal where they
went back twenty years and looked at fouls against certain
teams and all the teams, and there's just no rhyme
or reason. It's different cruise. It's different to cruise change
year to year. I think I think the bad teams
tend to make more mistakes. Good teams tend to make
less mistakes. And I was I we had the Eagles
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Bucks team and Queenyon Mitchell man he is handsy right
like like he is, and and and a lot right hopefully.
Speaker 1 (34:26):
You wanted.
Speaker 5 (34:28):
I didn't want to. No, I'm not going to go there.
Speaker 10 (34:30):
But but the thing is, and some and look, there
were teams. Seattle was great at that when the Legion
of Boom, they were they would play aggressive, they would hold,
they would grab because they're like, you're not going to
call you might call it, you might call it once,
you might call it twice, you're not gonna call it
six times in a row.
Speaker 5 (34:48):
And we're gonna win. We're gonna win those other downs
and so and you do see some of these these players.
That's one guy, you know, he got called a couple
of times. He could have gotten called a lot more.
I don't think it's not a team thing. It's just
it's just the officials. They're trying to do the best
they can. It's different crews, like I said, they change,
and I just think sometimes over time though, you will
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see that even out when you look at the numbers,
not just within one season. It's it's over over a
longer a longer period.
Speaker 3 (35:16):
Well, do officials go into games, you know, saying, hey,
this team's got a reputation of this, be on the
lookout or you know it, like, is there I don't
know if it's a game plan, but is there sure
any sort of scouting from an officiating standpoint, Hey, watch
out for this when this team is playing and you
have this game?
Speaker 5 (35:34):
They do they do so, they'll they'll scout, they'll look
at it, they'll look at tape on the two teams
and what they'll they'll try not to look at, say, hey,
if one particular player, they won't go too far down
that because then you you almost get get in your head, Oh,
I got to be looking at the left tackle has
led the league in holds, And then I'm almost like
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prejudicing myself to be like, oh, focusing so much on
the left tackle, I missed something else. But there are tendencies, Right,
you scout your opponent, just like the officials are going
to scout the two teams. So there are tendencies. There are, Hey,
they play aggressive in the secondary. They do this and sure,
y artists, they you know, they how are we going
to officiate to push those types of things? So they
are scouting, they try to stay away from, you know,
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targeting one specific player and unless it's like, hey this
guy every play after the play, he's you know, if
if DK metcalf Is is playing Jalen Ramsey, we got
to be we got to be on top of that
at the you know, post play and then and find
those two guys because that could get out of hand.
But but yeah, they do scout, but they'll try not
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to get so focused on one player so they don't
lose other things that are happening.
Speaker 2 (36:43):
Dean Blandino with us here on Fox Sports Radio.
Speaker 4 (36:46):
Dean, what else is going on in your life?
Speaker 5 (36:48):
Man?
Speaker 4 (36:48):
I mean I feel like we just bring you on
you talk about football. I'm more curious what else is
going on?
Speaker 5 (36:53):
Yeah, I'm just you know, I'm living my best life
right now, you know, just traveling around with the Fox
A crew and and and hey hang out my man Brady,
and and and just getting style tips from him. Did
you see him this weekend? Did you did you see
Tom with the white shirt, white tie, combo. I mean incredible, incredible.
Speaker 4 (37:17):
It was something. It was something, Hey, do you ever
see Ronaldi out there?
Speaker 5 (37:22):
Oh? Yeah, Tom is the best Tom is he? He
is like the nicest, kindest, always like just so supportive,
you know, and we you know, I love Tom and
we we kind of made fun of him at the
uh I don't know if you were in the room
at the time. It was the NFL part of the seminar,
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and we we we said we made fun of Tom
and said, you know nothing nothing to be more fired
up for a day of college football watching some you know,
a Tom Ornaldy piece on some kid that lost his
family in a hot air balloon accident and is dedicating
his seasons family just with the music Let's Nebraska, Michigan.
Speaker 4 (38:07):
I was actually gonna take a different angle and ask
you about the Italian side, like do you guys get screwed?
Good meals in together and all that, But clearly you
took that at a different.
Speaker 5 (38:16):
Definitely, definitely I passed on the jonas said the pieson.
Speaker 2 (38:21):
I mean listening.
Speaker 3 (38:22):
Let's be honest though, if you're getting in a hot
air balloon, I mean, you know, is what it is like?
Speaker 5 (38:27):
Thing? Yeah, you want to make dumb choices, then don't
don't be sad when I'm with you.
Speaker 4 (38:33):
I don't get it. By the way, I mean forget,
forget like the fact that you really don't have much
control over how those things operate. And by the way,
you're in a basket. You're in a basket.
Speaker 5 (38:44):
It's five basket like.
Speaker 4 (38:46):
We can't create a carbon fiber like thing to stand in.
We've got a basket like someone wove that.
Speaker 3 (38:52):
It's a basket, a balloon and a giant flame over
your head. Now you should be fine, Hey, look at that,
Look at this. It should be fine. And then next
thing you know, you're caught up and uh, you know,
in an electrical wire and everything goes, Hey, what.
Speaker 5 (39:03):
What what are we doing? It's just I don't know.
Speaker 4 (39:06):
I think everyone knows the guy who's literally gotten a
hot air balloon. Next, like, I know what, I've got
a buddy.
Speaker 2 (39:11):
Do you really?
Speaker 4 (39:12):
Yeah, you don't have one. No, you don't get out much.
I bet Dean's probably know someone.
Speaker 5 (39:20):
Yeah, we did. I've actually being in a hot air balloon.
Speaker 2 (39:25):
Hey, deep, where are you at this weekend? Where are
you guys traveling?
Speaker 5 (39:28):
We've got we've got a home game for me, which
is nice Commanders and Chargers. No, that'll be you know,
Commanders obviously, but hopefully Jade's back. Chargers coming off their
first loss, so we'll see it'll be good. Hopefully it'll
be a good game.
Speaker 3 (39:44):
There you go, awesome man, Dean Blandino. All right, so listen,
we we ran, uh we weren't through it all there rules.
Speaker 4 (39:51):
Yeah. By the way, deed LeVar says his you know
said us hello's and all.
Speaker 2 (39:58):
His pleasures today well, you know.
Speaker 4 (40:03):
Penn State. Penn State played Saturday night and it's Tuesday.
So he's just now flying back or maybe he's taking
a wagon. We're not really sure how he's getting front
to l a from from Happy.
Speaker 5 (40:14):
Valley, crying his way all the way back
Speaker 3 (40:19):
The three the three day post game show apparently, So
thanks team, we appreciate it.