October 6, 2025 • 46 mins
The guys talk about UCLA's upset win over LaVar's Penn State, Cardinals RB Emari Demercado dropping the ball before the endzone leading to the Cardinals gagging away the game against the Titans, Pete Prisco, and more!
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
It's the best of two pros and a couple Joe
with Lamar Rings and Rady Winn and Jonas Knox on
Fox Sports Radio.
Speaker 2 (00:13):
We want to get this out of the way.
Speaker 3 (00:15):
Man, it is what it is. Everybody, What are you going.
Speaker 2 (00:20):
To do, because yeah, social media was alive and well
on Saturday, I wouldn't know.
Speaker 3 (00:26):
Yeah, I gave it. I gave it a break on Saturday.
He took it, took time away, took a little time
off from from social Yeah, that was I did not
I was there. I had to watch that in person.
What was the crowd split? You see, First of all,
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we had more We probably had more people there. It
might have been like fifty two fifty five to their
you know, forty whatever. It was not a lot of
people there. I mean there was like I don't know, man,
I was I was joking before. I was joking before
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the game, like this is crazy, Like imagine being the
ad of a school like this. Like no support there was,
like literally it was such a small percentage of people supportive.
Speaker 4 (01:23):
By the way, and even the little bit of support
you're supposed to have Martin Jarman doesn't have because they're
trying to fire him based on everything that's transpired. So
I mean there's literally like a hashtag a campaign the
whole thing on campus.
Speaker 3 (01:38):
So well, another one probably emerged after that weekend that
that game in that venue in particular.
Speaker 4 (01:45):
Jeez, man, all right, can I can I have kind
of step up the bat because you go back a'ta
be honest with you this this this actually pissed me off,
Like this game pissed me off. Now it's not for
like the personal emotional reasons that like this was one
of my favorite bets of the week. Honestly, what it is,
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it's like there's too much potential on that team. There's
too many good players on that roster. There's been so
much money invested into that program, into Jim Knowles, Andy
Kotalnikki for them to come out and literally flop flop
like that and we can sit there and we can
(02:28):
talk about, hey, they allowed Oregon to beat them twice,
or there was a couple injuries, bullshit, Like I'm gonna
say it, that's bs to me. This has happened now
three times in the history of college.
Speaker 5 (02:42):
Football where a team that was zero to four.
Speaker 3 (02:45):
Has been a top ten team since nineteen fifty five.
Speaker 5 (02:48):
Here are the only two other times it's happened.
Speaker 4 (02:52):
Nineteen eighty five BYU got upset by UTEP, nineteen fifty eight,
Navy upset by Tulame.
Speaker 5 (03:00):
That's it. And then Penn State.
Speaker 4 (03:04):
And I think what bothers me the most about it
is and this is not like at James Franklin or
shot at James Franklin. The truth of the matter is
like there's a lot of parody.
Speaker 3 (03:14):
In college football.
Speaker 4 (03:15):
Like I watched that game and I thought to myself,
all right, like, if Niko and Malaiava's not there, does
you sillly win that game?
Speaker 5 (03:23):
Probably not.
Speaker 4 (03:24):
He's that talented of a player where they can have
a few guys and they can have a stud quarterback
even on a team that's own four. That again one
of the most the biggest underdogs you'll ever see, and
they can still find a way.
Speaker 5 (03:40):
To win some of these games.
Speaker 4 (03:41):
And so it's not I guess that's surprising because of
the way college football or the direction that's going, But
it ticks me off for the players because that program,
Penn State and then just being there on campus, the
fan base, everything else, there's so much behind it, and
(04:01):
every single time they underachieve.
Speaker 5 (04:05):
Like you're You're not in the same vein of Michigan
or Ohio State. You're not.
Speaker 4 (04:09):
I'm sorry that may come off this pass go ahead.
It makes me so mad though, for the players because
it's wasted. Like I I you know, I know Drew
a little bit. That's a great flipping kid, and I
don't know if it's him. I don't know if it's
the offense. Like I don't know if Andy cole Niky
got called up to the Yankees and he forgot how
(04:29):
to hit like that, that happens, right, How many baseball
players we see go to the Yankees and they get
there like, yeah, they're not as good as they once were.
They just they can't handle that pressure of the big
stage of blue blood like that.
Speaker 3 (04:40):
I'm not sure what it is at Kansas.
Speaker 5 (04:42):
I watched him. He's innovative, he's creative.
Speaker 4 (04:44):
I watch his Penn State offensive like it stinks. It stinks,
and look back. Maybe it's just hours not as good
as I thought. Maybe I'm wrong, but I don't think
I am. I think I'm pretty damn good at like
what I do and evaluating teams, players, the whole whole thing.
And so I I sit there and I look at
James Frank, I'm like, where else do we want to
point the finger? Like, like, where else are we gonna
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point it at this point because if I'm a fan,
if I'm a player, like I look at what could
have been this season, arguably rose talented team. I'm not
gonna say ever, but at least at least in the
last two decades, and it's all gone to waste now
because they got a really really tough stretch. They gotta
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play Ohio State in Indiana back to back weeks. I
don't think they win both those games and that and
at nine to three they're not getting in. I'm sorry
they're not. And it ticks me off because of what
could have been for these players, what could have been
for some of those guys, you know, as well as
anyone LeVar guys came back, and so to sit here
and watch Jerry Neuheisel, who's never called a game before
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ever in his life.
Speaker 3 (05:55):
Two days time to prepare.
Speaker 4 (05:57):
Yeah, by the way, having having trouble calling the place
because he would have his microphone up above his head
because he used to be in a position coach and.
Speaker 5 (06:07):
Talking to the players, hitting the wrong button.
Speaker 4 (06:09):
Couldn't even operationally get the plays in running laps around gymnalls.
Speaker 3 (06:17):
The whole thing was pathetic. Well, yeah, I won't, I'm
not usually out of loss for words. Uh, all you
had to do was put a guy in the middle
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of that defense that could run as fast as the quarterback.
And it was never done. And and literally, I mean
there were there were mistakes the the on side. Give
credit to u c l A. They they saw something
and they took advantage of it and it worked. But
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they came out in that first first drive and Penn
State couldn't stop the run when they made when they
were able to get ahead of the downs and of
the chains, all they did was allow for the receivers
to clear it, clear it out. The linebackers seemed to
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be in in coverage as well, and Nico ran. Nico
ran them to a victory. And that shouldn't When you
have a team is talented and as loaded as as
Penn States is, that just shouldn't happen. I'm hoping that
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this is a wake up call for them. It certainly
is a reality check for our fan base because we've
always taken these games for granted and now it's like
now you get to feel what losing really feels like.
Like there's a disappointment when you lose a big game
and you can talk about, oh, we haven't won the
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big game. We don't win the big game, okay, but
when you lose a game like that, the pain I
felt when that clock struck zero was way different than
the disappointment I felt when we lost in overtime, double
overtime to Oregon. It's felt different.
Speaker 2 (08:28):
It's a respectable loss.
Speaker 3 (08:29):
I just didn't looking at the way we played in
that game. My most critical takeaway was we don't look
like a team an outfit that is improving. It looks
like a team that is struggling to figure out ways
to have success. And that just can't be what the
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observation is when you're a major, major power five blue
blood program. It can't like saying, can't mention in the
same breath as some of those those teams like a
Michigan or Ohio State. It's it didn't it again. You
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can have a bad day and and you could look
at it and say, Okay, they had a bad day.
They you know, they Cotpenstate off guard. But for me,
because I go to all of these games, and I
watch it and I break it down. You know, I
don't really watch as a fan. I can't. I watch
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as if I were coaching the game, or if I
was you know, Okay, how what are the in game adjustments?
This is what they're trying to do. They had no
real strategy, honestly, I mean, you'd have to assume it
was very, very very simple in terms of let's try
to stay on time, let's let's try to win the
early downs and hope that we can fight in the
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later downs. They and that's what they They really did that,
I mean, they stayed ahead. We really did not slow
them down in the first half. I don't think they
punted one time, if I recall correctly, I don't. I
was in such shock I might have missed some of it,
but I don't think they punted one time in the
first in the first half, and and so it's one
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of those games. It's concerning to me. It's disappointing, like
you said, Q, for me one hundred percent, looking at
those young men in their faces and seeing just the disappointment,
which I would say that that leads to what my
biggest concern is. You know, your biggest concern when looking
at a team with so much talent, is did you
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lose them like that? They are they losing hope on
the season and because you saw I saw something that,
like I just did. The demeanor of them when they
were walking off of the field. Man, it just it
wasn't good.
Speaker 2 (10:58):
Do you think if they if they win that Oregon game,
does that happen on Saturday. I don't think it does.
Speaker 3 (11:05):
I don't know. I don't know because I don't like.
You gotta you gotta shake off a loss, and you
gotta and you gotta have you gotta have yourself ready
and prepared to play that next week. Now, I'll be
the first one to say I won't. I won't throw
stones from a glass house. I mean, but it was
a different time. When I was in school. We lost
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a hell Mary last second kick, Minnesota beats us, We
go on a three game skit. We lost the next
two games. Now I think that was I think the
next game we were fighting the idea of we knew
we weren't going to have an opportunity to play in
the National Championship Game. And I don't know, no, I
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was thinking. I was talking when I was in school
so I'm saying I don't want to be I don't
want to be a critical person of saying that their
emotions was the reason why they lost, because I know
that's how we lost when I was in school. This
is what I'm saying, the example I'm given, So I
don't I don't want to sit here and say I'm
holier than that, say no, that it couldn't have been
an emotional loss that took place. I just I just
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don't think that they looked good coming off of a
rebound game like that should have been the game that
was dialed up doctors' orders. That's your prescription. Go play UCLA.
You'll get back in the win column. Get yourselves together,
you come back, you have you have homecoming with Northwestern,
get right in that game, and then then you're you're
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really ready for the meat of the schedule to make
the run for the playoffs. You know. I just didn't
feel as though this team looked as they just didn't
look like they've improved. And that that's concerning my two concerns.
They didn't look like they have really improved as a team.
And is this locker room lost.
Speaker 4 (13:00):
But that's what happens when you play cupcakes out the stretch,
which was talked about and discussed.
Speaker 5 (13:06):
And there's a reality to it, like this is not
that Dan and age.
Speaker 3 (13:08):
Of college football anymore.
Speaker 5 (13:10):
Where you play this you know, sisious of the blind
for the first three weeks.
Speaker 4 (13:14):
And then you get into some real games and you
then struggle and you wonder why. I don't know what,
maybe why other teams have played power forward programs. They
were prepared for the physicality, they're prepared for the scheme,
the you know, better talent they're playing against. Here's what
I know is this Penn State program is said ceiling,
(13:34):
and it pains me to say that. I really like
James Franklin, and I'm not like a believer that you
need to always you know, there just needs to be
changed sometimes for change's sake.
Speaker 5 (13:44):
But based on how this season is going to go.
Speaker 4 (13:48):
Nine, eight and four and it doesn't make the playoff,
we'll see what happens at a bowl game be meaningless
at that point. I would not be shocked if they
don't start looking around. I just I don't know what
other direction you go, Like this was such a loaded
up all in year, and LaVar, I'm sure you know
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the detail is better than I do. But you look
at the past two years, the way Michigan did it
two years ago, the High State did this last year.
This felt like that year for Penn State and they
wildly unachieved and it's literally taken them to what we're
going in the Week seven of college football.
Speaker 3 (14:30):
I have no response to it other than other it's
a weird conversation for me because I do know a lot,
so I got to stay away from it just to
protect my own interest in the school's interest. But it
wasn't a good look, I'll say that. And while there's
(14:51):
still time, you got to say it's it's definitely a situation.
What what did they say to coaching? Uh and in
the program you I'm not saying you lost your job yet,
but you do need to win. And I think it's
(15:14):
taken on a different meaning of winning now. So I
hope they can win.
Speaker 4 (15:20):
Look, yeah, if they beat Ohio State, you know, that
might change the perception. Can't lose the Indiana the next
week though, Yeah, I know Indiana has a I know
Indiana has a big one.
Speaker 5 (15:33):
This week and won't find more about them then, But
I just.
Speaker 3 (15:37):
Man, that was that was tough to watch exactly the
confidence man like like I'll come away from a loss
and be like, that's our It was like like the
Oregon game. It was like we had it. We had
that game, Like we had it. Defense ran out of gas,
but we had it. We could have got that game.
This game, I'm sitting there and I'm like, oh my god,
(15:58):
we're going to lose this game. We're we're really gonna
We're We're really going to lose it. I'm really going
to lose this bro. They were and it's the manner
of which some of the things happened. Like they were
on the sideline. They were like dancing, they were throwing,
they were they were like like oop, do you and
(16:20):
their coaches like they got their holding the coaches throwing
like they're out of bar mitzvah or something like that.
Speaker 2 (16:25):
I don't think people listening in other parts of the
country understand how little people care about UCLA.
Speaker 3 (16:31):
Out here.
Speaker 2 (16:32):
Nobody cares.
Speaker 3 (16:32):
There was nobody there.
Speaker 2 (16:34):
Nobody cares. It's like they are a non story.
Speaker 3 (16:37):
There was like twenty people there and they were saying
over and it was really loud. Them twenty people were
really loud.
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Speaker 2 (17:24):
The Arizona Cardinals managed to put together the worst loss
of the season, and I don't really know what's second
to it.
Speaker 3 (17:31):
That was awful? How do you job?
Speaker 5 (17:35):
I don't call what it is.
Speaker 2 (17:36):
How How the f does Tennessee win that game? Oh?
I know how? Because we're still doing the whole drop
the ball before the end zone when you're on the
way to score a thing like that's still happening. And
then that just led to everything else that fell apart
for them, that crazy Tyler Lockett scramble fumble for a touchdown,
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just all of it. That was the worst loss of
the season. And I don't I'm looking around going if
you're Arizona or if you're like guys, are you starting
to question, like, hey, what are we doing here? Because
they're they're losing games close And then that happened and somehow,
some way, the Tennessee Titans are in the win column.
Speaker 3 (18:20):
That was brutal.
Speaker 4 (18:21):
Well again, like Tennessee had no business winning that game. No,
like they did really nothing to win that game outside
of jump on a ball that was intercepted, then fumbled,
then ping ponged around until it fell in the end zone.
Like the entire second half to come back. It was nice.
(18:42):
I just you'll never see a play like that ever again. No,
that interception fumble ball, like the whole thing, how that
worked out, You'll never see that ever again in the
history of football.
Speaker 3 (18:53):
I feel really.
Speaker 5 (18:53):
Safe in saying that.
Speaker 2 (18:56):
I mean, the crowd was shocked, like they like you
could you couldn't actually believed that this was happening because
they were u put by eighteen. And yeah, Tennessee could
generate nothing. Brian Callahan's having a deforce.
Speaker 3 (19:10):
Twenty one six A halftime, twenty one to six I halftime,
And they blanked each other in the third quarter. Yeah,
no one scored in the third quarter. It's terrible. They
gave up a sixteen. They gave up a sixty. Yeah,
I can read see that. See that thing it says
b O x box. Yeah, so anyway you can you
(19:34):
can gain that from looking at it. I mean, I
did watch the game some of.
Speaker 5 (19:38):
It, trust me, buddy. If you didn't know it would
play you.
Speaker 3 (19:41):
Yeah, no, I did. I did, and and I kind
of reflected the box score. They the Arizona Cardinals started
off pretty pretty quickly. You know. They were able to
move up and down the field. They had good offense,
and they they held up on defense like they were
able to limit them. And it seems like it seemed
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like they were doing what they wanted to do and
they had settled into what their game plan was going
to be. Now you go make your adjustments. They came
out at half. It seemed to be more of a
defensive struggle. They couldn't, you know, maybe lost their rhythm.
I don't I don't know what went wrong, but they
did find a way to lose the game. I don't
know that that was Tennessee finding a way to win
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it more so than it was Arizona's finding a way
to lose it. So, and of course the obviously the
dropping the ball before you went to the I kind
of thought it was a touchdown. Honestly, I thought his
foot broke the plane. Now I know it's about the
ball breaking the plane, and it was starting to you know,
he was starting to come loose of the ball. Yeah,
(20:47):
that was the problem, I kind of but I kind
of felt like it was still it still was kind
of a touchdown.
Speaker 2 (20:53):
If he had if he had the ball in his
hand without it moving at all, and the tip of
the ball all it hits the goal line, it's touchdown.
Speaker 3 (21:03):
I kind of felt like it did.
Speaker 2 (21:05):
But why why even take I know.
Speaker 5 (21:08):
Why is this the thing?
Speaker 3 (21:10):
Why is this the thing? It's the stupidest thing in football.
Speaker 4 (21:14):
It's so dumb, Like what do you gain out of
dropping the ball that close to it? Drop it once
you get out the back of the end zone? Like,
does it look any any less cool? I don't get it,
am I just like that.
Speaker 3 (21:28):
Out of touch? My told?
Speaker 5 (21:30):
Is it because I'm white?
Speaker 4 (21:31):
Like, help me understand, Hold on, help me understand, Like
what makes that?
Speaker 5 (21:36):
What makes that cool? What makes that?
Speaker 7 (21:38):
Like?
Speaker 5 (21:38):
What you do?
Speaker 3 (21:39):
I mean, Lorena, are you not paying it? You're not
going hit You're not going to hit the racial racist?
Speaker 5 (21:44):
But question hit.
Speaker 2 (21:49):
Racist? There's options?
Speaker 5 (21:51):
Okay, I mean that one can't ask that questions all.
Speaker 2 (21:54):
The way over the raisan, but I'm with him. I
can relate, so.
Speaker 5 (21:58):
I can't ask the question why.
Speaker 4 (22:00):
I don't understand why players just game?
Speaker 3 (22:06):
What? What type of players?
Speaker 5 (22:08):
Who players?
Speaker 3 (22:09):
It's all players, A white guy, what type of it?
Because I'm saying what type of players? What type of
players are dropping the ball early?
Speaker 2 (22:19):
We've already we've already.
Speaker 3 (22:20):
Been spiking the ball early.
Speaker 2 (22:22):
Let's see we can go for three down.
Speaker 3 (22:24):
No one's spiking drop before.
Speaker 8 (22:30):
No.
Speaker 4 (22:30):
I just like, I literally just called a game. And
you've got a really talented play and Ada guy Mitchell
who's not playing because he's being disciplined. And mind you,
by the way, like the coaching staff is like, look
like we felt like we had to do this because
the locker room was so upset about it.
Speaker 3 (22:45):
The Colts legitimate should probably be undefeated.
Speaker 4 (22:48):
They should be undefeated, and like because of that one play,
they're not okay.
Speaker 2 (22:55):
Here's my question from when you guys were playing. If
you see somebody make an egregious air like that, a
mistake that could have been avoided, a dumb play like
ad Mitchell did the week before, is your coaching staff
as a teaching point on other teams that like the
next couple of days, is you, hey, by the way,
friendly reminder, we don't want to do this, Like, don't
(23:17):
do that because apparently that didn't happen in Arizona.
Speaker 3 (23:20):
Because it happened, it just doesn't a week late. It
just like it just doesn't make sense. There's no way
to calculate how that makes any sense at any point
in time. So it's so it's just that can't get right.
Speaker 4 (23:35):
Move. So let me say, is if a player is
trying to reach for the goal line, which that actually, honestly, Jonas,
is more of a coaching point, like when a player's
going through the fenders going to reach, or if it's
like close, so they try to reach, a lot of
coaches will teach to not do that because they're concerned
(23:56):
about it getting knocked out going out the end zone.
So Derek Carry, that's actually like a legitimate on tape
coaching thing. You don't know, what's never talked about is
dropping the ball when there's no one around you running
in the end zone the time, because it's the stupidest
thing ever.
Speaker 3 (24:11):
Because the.
Speaker 2 (24:13):
Celebration, they just assume, Man, nobody's that dumb. Nobody's gonna
do that.
Speaker 3 (24:17):
It's like, why am I gonna coach dumb?
Speaker 5 (24:18):
That guy's not gonna be on my team.
Speaker 4 (24:21):
So like it's I can't believe this, Like you just
saw a player do it last week, How does it
happen again?
Speaker 5 (24:29):
And by the way, Jonathan Gannon was fired up.
Speaker 4 (24:30):
I'm not sure if you saw the clip of him
when he went over to Demarcado and he gave him
a good old chess bump.
Speaker 2 (24:37):
I mean, like why wouldn't you because everything fell apart
after that, just like they completely, like everything fell apart.
And it's not not to blame him on you know,
the other mistakes and the flukey play, but you just
you go back to that one and you go, oh wow,
that that really would have been the difference between them
winning and losing that game.
Speaker 3 (24:58):
And that's crazy, It's that's crazy.
Speaker 2 (25:04):
I don't understand, Like I.
Speaker 4 (25:07):
Said, I still would debate on his Jonah doesn't understand,
but he like, but LeVar, do you understand?
Speaker 3 (25:14):
Does it make sense to you? No, it doesn't, it doesn't.
It does not make sense to me.
Speaker 5 (25:20):
It's not because I'm white.
Speaker 3 (25:21):
Then well I didn't bring up you said because is
it because I'm white? I didn't say because you're white,
you don't understand.
Speaker 4 (25:29):
You on you people would say there's some people in
life that wouldn't understand it because they're white.
Speaker 3 (25:37):
People would say, based off of that statement, you're classifying
this bone hitted move. No, that's still a different racial
group would take it.
Speaker 2 (25:48):
I mean, tell you, Jonas, it's may see the equivalent
of LeVar telling us you guys never played the game.
It's like, you know what, so we can't relate to it.
Speaker 5 (25:58):
Just when you think Jonahs is gonna say something's gonna help.
Speaker 2 (26:01):
Him, I just like, you know, tries to get.
Speaker 4 (26:05):
Off the tangent. I don't think he asking the question. Like,
By the way, that's part of the issue with our
society is no one.
Speaker 5 (26:10):
Can ask questions anymore.
Speaker 3 (26:12):
I was just saying, people ask a question. No, don't
put that evil on me. Ricky, Bobby, what you said
so stop, I said, like, I helped me understand why there.
Speaker 2 (26:24):
Is a white guy, a white guy who had a
habit of reaching the ball for the goal line and
it fall a slipping way. Was Derek Carr. Derek Carr
did at least one.
Speaker 3 (26:34):
All I know is he said, can I not understand
it because I'm a white guy? Coop? What is what
would your conclusion be if he if somebody said that,
that's not being scient that's not being sensive, that's saying okay.
That means that white guys don't do this. So I
can't understand.
Speaker 4 (26:52):
That it doesn't do that with who does it? It
has to do with why I can't understand why, Like
what's cool that?
Speaker 7 (27:00):
Why?
Speaker 2 (27:00):
Okay, Coop? Can your white ass explain this to us?
Speaker 3 (27:03):
Please? Coop? Please come on, Coop, I don't want to
be involved. Come on, Coop?
Speaker 2 (27:11):
What are you ashamed to be white?
Speaker 3 (27:15):
Maybe?
Speaker 2 (27:15):
Right?
Speaker 3 (27:17):
I mean because Coop has to agree with me, like
you're if the way it was presented, it was like, hey, look,
I'm just trying to all the way I can understand
is this happens. I would have to be in the
racial group that does this to be able to understand
how this happens, which the more I thought about it,
(27:38):
I was like, dang, I can't come off with a
white dude that's done it. Come on one that's done it.
Like Jonas is like car when he was trying to
go across. It's like, yeah, dude, it's a He was
trying to help. I'm trying to try to help.
Speaker 2 (27:54):
I'm trying to make LeVar feel comfortable here.
Speaker 3 (27:56):
But hey man, you can't make me uncomfortable because I'm
not sensitive. But call it what it is.
Speaker 9 (28:01):
You said you couldn't understand that, Help me understand that,
to help you understand college what you wanted to Jonas?
Speaker 3 (28:14):
Jon didn't play.
Speaker 2 (28:16):
Damn and he didn't.
Speaker 3 (28:20):
And also for you to ask the question.
Speaker 2 (28:22):
And also I'm not black, so I don't I don't
qualify for this.
Speaker 3 (28:28):
I really should want to beach. I asked, is over
this for real? What I mean, just just because on
the principle is standing on business of being a black
asked the question to condemn him for that? I should, Yeah,
But Jonas is we already know he's a confirmed racist.
We we know this, So that's all right, But you Q,
(28:49):
I was expecting more from you. Q I wouldn't expected
use your understand this, you know.
Speaker 4 (28:57):
Throwing around a term that, hey, probably doesn't have any
business in sports talking.
Speaker 3 (29:02):
I mean, I don't know you took you Look, don't
get sensitive now you threw out like I'm asking for
your explanation. Don't try to reverse on me.
Speaker 2 (29:16):
You know, if somebody just turned on their car right now,
they're driving, like all, the first thing they hear is
Jonas is a confirmed racist.
Speaker 3 (29:25):
Brady Quinn just said, and I'm against it. Hey, hey,
there's no place for that type of No, there's no
place for those types of references in sports talk radio.
Like what.
Speaker 4 (29:38):
I'm saying that I'm saying, we throw around the word
racist very loosely.
Speaker 3 (29:42):
Yeah, I mean I I do, because well that's a
whole different conversation. Wait, why do you do that. There's
a different conversation. You know, what do you throw it around?
LaVar around? I unlike most people have a sense of humor,
and when there are serious issues, there are serious issues.
When I use I just tend to not use it
in serious issues, that's all. I stay away from the
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serious issues with those types of terms, and I keep
them in a lighter, a lighter issue, which makes it
more you know, fun for me. That's that's kind of
how I approach it. You know, if it was something
like that was really really serious, that you wouldn't hear
me handle it that way. But this, this, in this
moment in particular, the way you sit it, the way
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you sit it, and the way Jonas totally walked right
into it with you. Yeah, it was fun. That's my loyalty.
Though this was fun. I have fun with it. I
have fun, that's all.
Speaker 1 (30:38):
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Speaker 2 (30:48):
We're gonna get something done right now with the one
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Speaker 3 (31:00):
He good morning. Are you coming in here and clearing
your throat like that? Man?
Speaker 5 (31:03):
God, Bro, that wasn't me. Oh, that was that was me.
That was one Pete pre that was me. Don't put
it on by.
Speaker 8 (31:13):
The way, and by the way to Tomore, it's it's
coming from Brady who says he never gets sick. Who's
been sick for about fifteen days.
Speaker 4 (31:20):
I will admit it now, dude, My my health journey
has been, uh been quite the adventure of the past
few weeks.
Speaker 8 (31:27):
So what do you got?
Speaker 3 (31:27):
What do you got?
Speaker 8 (31:28):
Cold? Brady?
Speaker 3 (31:29):
We were I don't know now, it might be like pneumonia.
Speaker 5 (31:31):
I think I didn't. I didn't catch it and knock
it out quick enough.
Speaker 8 (31:34):
Jeez, oh, Brady, you got to get that out of you. Man,
that could be dangerous.
Speaker 5 (31:37):
And what do you do for pneumonia?
Speaker 8 (31:39):
What you rest? And of course you don't.
Speaker 5 (31:42):
Do that, but there's not gonna be a chance for that.
Speaker 8 (31:43):
So hey, hey, Brady, we were listening. We put your
sound on the game in the green room, and we
listened to you, and everybody in there it goes, oh
my god, that doesn't even sound like Brady. And I said,
you know why, because last week I said, I mentioned
to him that he says he never gets sick, and
he you know what, you said, you had allergies, And
they go, there's no chance he has allergies, No chance.
Speaker 3 (32:01):
Everybody I was.
Speaker 4 (32:03):
I was hyped up on a lot of different stuff,
so hopefully didn't sound too bad.
Speaker 8 (32:06):
No, you didn't you sound You sounded very good on
the game. You just didn't sound like yourself.
Speaker 5 (32:10):
Yeah, no, I haven't for like six weeks.
Speaker 2 (32:12):
Man.
Speaker 5 (32:12):
It's it's weird.
Speaker 2 (32:14):
Pete. Can you explain why it is guys continue to
drop the ball before they crossed the goal line?
Speaker 3 (32:21):
What is that?
Speaker 8 (32:22):
Yeah, to gain idiots and idiots and moron I mean, well.
Speaker 3 (32:28):
That is that target to get certain people are Why
would you say, LeVar see you already saying what the target? No,
I'm just I'm asking you because I can hear you, Pete. Yes,
the last segment we we had, we broached this conversation
and Brady asked the question, can I not understand this
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because I'm a white guy? What would your conclusion be
after hearing Brady Quinn say that, I don't think.
Speaker 8 (32:59):
It matters if you're white or black or whatever. It's
just stupidity.
Speaker 3 (33:03):
That is stupidity. But that's not what I'm asking you.
I'm saying if you heard that, what would your conclusion
be as to why Brady Quick would say that?
Speaker 8 (33:12):
I don't Brady, why did you say that?
Speaker 3 (33:14):
I don't know why I can't understand. I think you'd
be scared enough not to not take it.
Speaker 4 (33:20):
I can't understand how a player would do that. And
so the only other former player on this show is Lafar.
I asked him and he went out, He's like, what's
that supposed to me?
Speaker 3 (33:29):
Wait? Wait, I just happened to be a blend dude
and you happen to be a white All of a sudden,
Penn State gets bludgeoned by UCLA. He turns into a
little whimpy boy. Yeah, you can't answer the question, pet.
Speaker 8 (33:44):
Because no in funny, you guys talking about that this
last night on the show. We were talking about it
and I said, it's, you know, really stupid to do it,
and and Ran Carthon said something about cache or you know,
for your Graham or whatever, and I go, okay, where's
what's cool about dropping the football? Even if you drop
it half the yard?
Speaker 3 (34:04):
Explained to me? And that was but you but you qualified?
You qualify it by do I not understand because I'm
a white guy. That's a fair question. This is a question.
He doesn't qualify how that's a fair question. Okay, but
why is it because you're a white guy you can't understand.
Speaker 2 (34:27):
I think Pete's the perfect I'd asked him because obviously
LeVar is black, Brady and I are white, and Pete's tan.
So he spots the difference, he splits the difference, and
so we needed an expert.
Speaker 3 (34:41):
So Pete so good? You know what?
Speaker 7 (34:44):
Good?
Speaker 8 (34:45):
What's the reason for it? Though, LeVar? What's you?
Speaker 3 (34:56):
I'm scared. I've scored a lot of touchdowns in my day,
and not one of them did I? I dropped the
ball early? Or do something early?
Speaker 2 (35:05):
Man?
Speaker 3 (35:05):
But before I crossed the goal? Lad for one? But
for two? Why am I the one that I'm getting
the question directed to?
Speaker 8 (35:14):
Right?
Speaker 3 (35:14):
I feel like this is an obvious there's an obvious
undertone connected here.
Speaker 8 (35:19):
I directed it well, I directed it to everybody. And
the reality is, when I think about it, what's the
point of it?
Speaker 3 (35:25):
Though? If you don't know, I don't know, why Why
would Why would I know? I don't, I don't know.
Speaker 8 (35:32):
I'm asking all of you.
Speaker 3 (35:33):
I know you said, LeVar, just like Q. Did you
directed it towards me as well? I don't. Actually I
didn't direct it at you. I am offending anything. I
just wanted to.
Speaker 5 (35:45):
I asked a general question.
Speaker 3 (35:46):
I would a white guy not understand a guy dropping
the ball early before going into the enzo I. It
was a fair legitimate question from him. In my defense,
I asked it initially to everyone. I know. It's a
general quest, which is okay to say. It's okay for
you to say what you meant.
Speaker 8 (36:06):
You know what last week? Last week was, Mitchell was
God's doing it?
Speaker 2 (36:11):
Damn it?
Speaker 3 (36:11):
All right, thank you, thank you. I'm just saying the
truth shall set you free. I'm sorry. Thank I go.
And it sucks because I know there's probably something out there,
but it's not in the NFL. I haven't seen it
from a white dude. I looked at down. It's like, wait,
(36:31):
hold on, why dude, if none, I haven't seen any
to do it.
Speaker 2 (36:36):
Well, they don't have that kind of breakaway speaking because.
Speaker 3 (36:38):
We don't have that much style. We don't have much separation, right.
Oh my god, y'all can try to hold up every opportunity.
We can't getting that. Damn. N. I'm just glad the
truth finally came out. See, Coop, you were afraid to
tell the truth. You could have been on record of
saying the truth. You knew what the answer was, Coop.
It's all good.
Speaker 2 (36:56):
I don't know why it happens. I really don't, Pete,
do you That's that's got to be the worst loss
of the season. And what does it say about where
Arizona is at.
Speaker 8 (37:06):
Well, it's the worst loss of the season because that
touchdown puts the game away. But then it becomes even
worse when you get an interception and you fumble it
in your into their they score touchdowns off of it,
and then you know, I'm to go get the game
winning field. It's it's horrible. It's a horrible loss. That
it tells you that Arizona is Arizona. That's what that
tells you. Every year you go into the season and think,
oh that Cardinals might be feisty and a little bit better.
(37:28):
They got added guys to the defense, and you know,
maybe Murray takes the next step and Marvin Harrison takes
the next step, and then all of a sudden, you're
still Arizona. That's what happens when you're one of those
teams and and you lose games like that that it
was the worst loss of the season by far, and
it might be one of the worst losses ever. So Pete,
oh god, God, God God, But they feel better than
(37:52):
Penn State. Today, No, jail, I have no I have.
Speaker 3 (37:58):
No response for it. Zero responsible.
Speaker 4 (38:02):
I'm the one that was more fired up this morning
to start the show about that game. But we'll save
that for another time. Last night's game. Are the pad
of the Fates? Are the Pats the new Kings of
the AFC East?
Speaker 3 (38:16):
No, No, but I will, I mean Pete the leaden
right now.
Speaker 5 (38:20):
They did it in Buffalo.
Speaker 8 (38:22):
They're not leading the division right now?
Speaker 5 (38:25):
You sure they lost twice? That's right?
Speaker 3 (38:28):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (38:29):
Sorry, damn well, New England lose to the Raiders.
Speaker 5 (38:33):
Yeah, I was just one game.
Speaker 8 (38:36):
By the way, Mike Rabel can coach. I mean, there's
no doubt about that. Mike Rabel can coach. It's still
the toughness in his team. That defense is pretty darn good. Now.
You know, when you have two corners that can play
man and man outside and the well the third ones
a good little nickel corner, two jones, you can lock
up a couple guys. And let's rereal with the Bills.
The Bills don't scare you down the field.
Speaker 3 (38:56):
They just don't.
Speaker 8 (38:57):
And that's the biggest concern, and that was the question
going into the season. I think that showed up last night.
Is their inability to get down the field and get
chunk plays in the passing game. So uh yeah, I mean, look,
it's a great win for New England. It's a It's
probably one of those, like the Eagles losing at home,
one of those wake up calls for a team we
thought were pretty pretty good going into the season, and
sometimes it gets you refocused. I am a little worried
(39:18):
about the Buffalo defense. I will say that they got
to you know, look to Davis White, can't you can't
run anymore? He couldn't. He was never fast to begin with.
They need to get Hairston back on the field, and
he's pretty close. And once he gets back on the field,
I think they'll be better on defense.
Speaker 3 (39:31):
Hmm. What stood out to you yesterday watching the games?
The most pete like there? There was quite a few.
What what did you focus in on? What was a
what was the storyline that you you're going to be
talking about as as the week unfolds.
Speaker 8 (39:45):
The Bucks are better than everybody gives me, I said,
I told you guys that before the season. I think
they're better than everybody gives them credit for for for
Baker Mayfield.
Speaker 3 (39:52):
Who's got to give him credit right now, Pete, Well, no, what.
Speaker 8 (39:56):
I'm just saying, the guys, yeah, white guy, everybody the
bus go into Seattle and play a really good team
that was really playing well on defense and just shredded them.
We just shredded them without And think about that offense.
We haven't seen the best of the offense. That offense
with yesterday was without Gheticky, who will be back at
(40:16):
right tackle eventually. They were without Mike Evans, they were
without Jayalen McMillan, they were without Bucky Irving, and here's
Baker Mayfield throwing the ball over the place. I mean,
how good can that offense be when everybody gets back,
They're gonna score a ton of points. They're a legitimate
threat to win the NFC. They really are. I mean,
you look at that team. They're one of the best
teams in the league and we haven't even seen the
(40:38):
best of them yet. So that Baker Mayfield in the
MVP conversation too, I think that's something that stood out.
And then Chargers, of course charging as they always do.
Just you know, three weeks ago we were sitting here, Tark,
Oh my god, the Chargers might be the best team
in the league and Justin Herberts on his way to
being an MVP. And they have a lead again Washington
(41:00):
who's floundering, and they rough the punter. They go down
and get a field goal. Next thing you know, they fumble,
and next thing you know, there's a ballgame. And that's
just that's the ultimate definition of charging. They when things
are going well, something always happens to that team. And
it dates way back to the old San Diego Chargers days.
Something always happened to prevent them from going to the
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super Bowl, even then when they were maybe had the
best team in the league. And it's the same way now.
The Chargering never ends.
Speaker 2 (41:30):
Pete Prisco joining us here on Fox Sports Radio. What
the aff with the Baltimore Ravens like? And I know,
Lamar Jackson's out, but that defense has looked bad all year,
even going back to the you know, the the gag
job they put together against Buffalo in Week one. What
do you make of where Baltimore's at right now?
Speaker 8 (41:48):
It's historically bad on defense and that's been their calling
card for years. And you mentioned it, Okay, Lamar's out,
you take the field. Lamar's out. So if you're a
defensive team, even though they had guys injured, and believe me,
they're banged up. I mean, they didn't have Rokewan Smith
even though he hasn't played that well. They didn't have
Marlin Humphrey hadn't played that well this year. They don't
have them in the lineup. But go compete. That's an
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offense that had done nothing all year. Basically, go compete
in the game, maybe not win it, but show up.
They didn't compete. And that's the biggest thing that surprised me.
The Ravens have always been known for smacking you in
the mouth, hit me in the teeth, and sending your
home and your bruise the entire next week. That ain't
the case anymore. Those guys don't beat up anybody anymore.
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And that's the sad part about it. Having said all that,
when you play out their schedule and you look at
that division, if they can get Lamar back healthy again,
they have a chance to maybe go into this go
down the stretch and find a way play that week
final week game against Pittsburgh with a chance to go
to the playoffs. But things got to fall into place.
They got to get better on defense, no question, about it, Hey.
Speaker 4 (42:55):
Pe, last one for me? How many more losses can
the Giants take before they just throwing.
Speaker 3 (43:00):
The towel in the season?
Speaker 8 (43:03):
In terms of what Brady you know what.
Speaker 5 (43:05):
I mean, Joe, Shane and dab All being dismissed.
Speaker 8 (43:09):
I don't know. I don't know if that's gonna happen
during the season. And again I go back to does
it really? I mean, okay, Mike McDaniel, you want to
fire him? What do you who are you putting in there?
What does that do when you fire a guy during
the season? Have you played? Have you guys played on
teams where the coach got fired? Oh yeah, yes, okay,
what happened? Did you get better?
Speaker 4 (43:29):
It's it's pretty wild. I mean it's it's it's a
wild scenario. You know, guys start kind of doing whatever
the hell they want, you know, It's just it gets
pretty wild.
Speaker 8 (43:38):
Substitute tea. It's like when the substitute teacher came in
and you used to throw racers at the back of
his head from the back of the room.
Speaker 4 (43:44):
I think when Josh McDaniels got fired in Denver, Eric
students still took over. That was for like four or
five games. And that was a wild month. Let's just
put it that way. Of just seeing different things from players,
you're like, there's no accountability at that point.
Speaker 8 (43:58):
Of course not. And that's actually one of the guys
that's on the on the Dolphins staff now that they've
talked about. If they've made a fire and they make
him be in durw coach, that ain't going to work.
Speaker 5 (44:06):
Now.
Speaker 8 (44:06):
I will say this, if you had in the back
of your mind that maybe Anthony Weaver was going to
be the future head coach, then maybe that would make
some sense if you wanted to try and get a
jump start on that. But here's the other part of that.
I mean, you want to look at Miami Dolphins and
Anthony Weaver. His defense has been getting dashed. They give
up two hundred and something rushing yards last yesterday to
the team in Carolina that can't run the football. I
(44:29):
mean that was incredible. So I don't think coaching changes
really work. But if the Giants, I think Shane's getting
it no matter what after the season, and Davell has
got to show progress with Jackson Dart and if he
shows progress, Brady, you know how that is, and you're
you're a big believer in this keeping stability with the
quarterback and keeping the same system so he can grow
in it. So maybe they make a decision there to say.
Speaker 4 (44:50):
Hey, Okay, the Giants right now is like including the season,
last two are ten and twenty nine.
Speaker 3 (44:57):
They just lost to argue with the worst team in
the league by double digits.
Speaker 4 (45:01):
Like you're looking at it, you're looking at I'm with you, Brady,
I'm saying I understand what you're saying. But at some point,
as these build up, it gets to the point where
it doesn't even matter. You're just like, we need something else.
Speaker 8 (45:15):
Yeah, you're right, No, I agree with you on that,
But I'm just playing the Devil's outga flipsid because you're
a big believer in letting the quarterbacks have the same
system for a couple of years too, So I know
that you believe that strongly. The other part of that,
here's the other part of it. You know they got
baby LT over there and all those great pass rushs.
You how many sacks they had on Sunday? None? Zero
(45:36):
didn't show up. I mean, you're supposed to be a
team that has guys that just are menacing on the
defensive line. Knocking guys on the ground and they didn't
get a sack on Sunday. That's me is one of
the biggest disappointments.
Speaker 2 (45:48):
Get him on X at Prisco CBS. If you want
some of that smoke, he will provide it. He is
our senior NFL columnist for CBS Sports, CBS Sports HQ analyst,
the great p PRIs. Go with us here, Pete, we
appreciate it.
Speaker 8 (46:01):
We'll do quick thing with LeVar. Were you at the
game on Saturday in l A. I was, Oh boy,
you're the mush.
Speaker 3 (46:09):
Oh no, true, unlike hold On I go to you've
been to both losses though I've been to all the
wins too.
Speaker 8 (46:18):
Yeah, but but you've been to both losses so that
they can they're gonna say, LaVar, no one's mush, just
like James Franklin.
Speaker 3 (46:25):
You need to go oh no. I mean, so you
want to like take parting shots at me and my
alma mater like that.
Speaker 8 (46:32):
Pete, you know I love you, LeVar.
Speaker 3 (46:34):
That's thank you, sir, thank you. You know I'll allow
you get away with with the whole you know, early
early dropping the ball. But I draw the line with
Penn Stek though it's.
Speaker 8 (46:44):
Gotta be honest, all all right, fellow, all right.
Speaker 3 (46:47):
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Speaker 2 (00:13):
We want to get this out of the way.
Speaker 3 (00:15):
Man, it is what it is. Everybody, What are you going.
Speaker 2 (00:20):
To do, because yeah, social media was alive and well
on Saturday, I wouldn't know.
Speaker 3 (00:26):
Yeah, I gave it. I gave it a break on Saturday.
He took it, took time away, took a little time
off from from social Yeah, that was I did not
I was there. I had to watch that in person.
What was the crowd split? You see, First of all,
(00:47):
we had more We probably had more people there. It
might have been like fifty two fifty five to their
you know, forty whatever. It was not a lot of
people there. I mean there was like I don't know, man,
I was I was joking before. I was joking before
(01:09):
the game, like this is crazy, Like imagine being the
ad of a school like this. Like no support there was,
like literally it was such a small percentage of people supportive.
Speaker 4 (01:23):
By the way, and even the little bit of support
you're supposed to have Martin Jarman doesn't have because they're
trying to fire him based on everything that's transpired. So
I mean there's literally like a hashtag a campaign the
whole thing on campus.
Speaker 3 (01:38):
So well, another one probably emerged after that weekend that
that game in that venue in particular.
Speaker 4 (01:45):
Jeez, man, all right, can I can I have kind
of step up the bat because you go back a'ta
be honest with you this this this actually pissed me off,
Like this game pissed me off. Now it's not for
like the personal emotional reasons that like this was one
of my favorite bets of the week. Honestly, what it is,
(02:07):
it's like there's too much potential on that team. There's
too many good players on that roster. There's been so
much money invested into that program, into Jim Knowles, Andy
Kotalnikki for them to come out and literally flop flop
like that and we can sit there and we can
(02:28):
talk about, hey, they allowed Oregon to beat them twice,
or there was a couple injuries, bullshit, Like I'm gonna
say it, that's bs to me. This has happened now
three times in the history of college.
Speaker 5 (02:42):
Football where a team that was zero to four.
Speaker 3 (02:45):
Has been a top ten team since nineteen fifty five.
Speaker 5 (02:48):
Here are the only two other times it's happened.
Speaker 4 (02:52):
Nineteen eighty five BYU got upset by UTEP, nineteen fifty eight,
Navy upset by Tulame.
Speaker 5 (03:00):
That's it. And then Penn State.
Speaker 4 (03:04):
And I think what bothers me the most about it
is and this is not like at James Franklin or
shot at James Franklin. The truth of the matter is
like there's a lot of parody.
Speaker 3 (03:14):
In college football.
Speaker 4 (03:15):
Like I watched that game and I thought to myself,
all right, like, if Niko and Malaiava's not there, does
you sillly win that game?
Speaker 5 (03:23):
Probably not.
Speaker 4 (03:24):
He's that talented of a player where they can have
a few guys and they can have a stud quarterback
even on a team that's own four. That again one
of the most the biggest underdogs you'll ever see, and
they can still find a way.
Speaker 5 (03:40):
To win some of these games.
Speaker 4 (03:41):
And so it's not I guess that's surprising because of
the way college football or the direction that's going, But
it ticks me off for the players because that program,
Penn State and then just being there on campus, the
fan base, everything else, there's so much behind it, and
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every single time they underachieve.
Speaker 5 (04:05):
Like you're You're not in the same vein of Michigan
or Ohio State. You're not.
Speaker 4 (04:09):
I'm sorry that may come off this pass go ahead.
It makes me so mad though, for the players because
it's wasted. Like I I you know, I know Drew
a little bit. That's a great flipping kid, and I
don't know if it's him. I don't know if it's
the offense. Like I don't know if Andy cole Niky
got called up to the Yankees and he forgot how
(04:29):
to hit like that, that happens, right, How many baseball
players we see go to the Yankees and they get
there like, yeah, they're not as good as they once were.
They just they can't handle that pressure of the big
stage of blue blood like that.
Speaker 3 (04:40):
I'm not sure what it is at Kansas.
Speaker 5 (04:42):
I watched him. He's innovative, he's creative.
Speaker 4 (04:44):
I watch his Penn State offensive like it stinks. It stinks,
and look back. Maybe it's just hours not as good
as I thought. Maybe I'm wrong, but I don't think
I am. I think I'm pretty damn good at like
what I do and evaluating teams, players, the whole whole thing.
And so I I sit there and I look at
James Frank, I'm like, where else do we want to
point the finger? Like, like, where else are we gonna
(05:06):
point it at this point because if I'm a fan,
if I'm a player, like I look at what could
have been this season, arguably rose talented team. I'm not
gonna say ever, but at least at least in the
last two decades, and it's all gone to waste now
because they got a really really tough stretch. They gotta
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play Ohio State in Indiana back to back weeks. I
don't think they win both those games and that and
at nine to three they're not getting in. I'm sorry
they're not. And it ticks me off because of what
could have been for these players, what could have been
for some of those guys, you know, as well as
anyone LeVar guys came back, and so to sit here
and watch Jerry Neuheisel, who's never called a game before
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ever in his life.
Speaker 3 (05:55):
Two days time to prepare.
Speaker 4 (05:57):
Yeah, by the way, having having trouble calling the place
because he would have his microphone up above his head
because he used to be in a position coach and.
Speaker 5 (06:07):
Talking to the players, hitting the wrong button.
Speaker 4 (06:09):
Couldn't even operationally get the plays in running laps around gymnalls.
Speaker 3 (06:17):
The whole thing was pathetic. Well, yeah, I won't, I'm
not usually out of loss for words. Uh, all you
had to do was put a guy in the middle
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of that defense that could run as fast as the quarterback.
And it was never done. And and literally, I mean
there were there were mistakes the the on side. Give
credit to u c l A. They they saw something
and they took advantage of it and it worked. But
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they came out in that first first drive and Penn
State couldn't stop the run when they made when they
were able to get ahead of the downs and of
the chains, all they did was allow for the receivers
to clear it, clear it out. The linebackers seemed to
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be in in coverage as well, and Nico ran. Nico
ran them to a victory. And that shouldn't When you
have a team is talented and as loaded as as
Penn States is, that just shouldn't happen. I'm hoping that
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this is a wake up call for them. It certainly
is a reality check for our fan base because we've
always taken these games for granted and now it's like
now you get to feel what losing really feels like.
Like there's a disappointment when you lose a big game
and you can talk about, oh, we haven't won the
(08:10):
big game. We don't win the big game, okay, but
when you lose a game like that, the pain I
felt when that clock struck zero was way different than
the disappointment I felt when we lost in overtime, double
overtime to Oregon. It's felt different.
Speaker 2 (08:28):
It's a respectable loss.
Speaker 3 (08:29):
I just didn't looking at the way we played in
that game. My most critical takeaway was we don't look
like a team an outfit that is improving. It looks
like a team that is struggling to figure out ways
to have success. And that just can't be what the
(08:54):
observation is when you're a major, major power five blue
blood program. It can't like saying, can't mention in the
same breath as some of those those teams like a
Michigan or Ohio State. It's it didn't it again. You
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can have a bad day and and you could look
at it and say, Okay, they had a bad day.
They you know, they Cotpenstate off guard. But for me,
because I go to all of these games, and I
watch it and I break it down. You know, I
don't really watch as a fan. I can't. I watch
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as if I were coaching the game, or if I
was you know, Okay, how what are the in game adjustments?
This is what they're trying to do. They had no
real strategy, honestly, I mean, you'd have to assume it
was very, very very simple in terms of let's try
to stay on time, let's let's try to win the
early downs and hope that we can fight in the
(09:58):
later downs. They and that's what they They really did that,
I mean, they stayed ahead. We really did not slow
them down in the first half. I don't think they
punted one time, if I recall correctly, I don't. I
was in such shock I might have missed some of it,
but I don't think they punted one time in the
first in the first half, and and so it's one
(10:21):
of those games. It's concerning to me. It's disappointing, like
you said, Q, for me one hundred percent, looking at
those young men in their faces and seeing just the disappointment,
which I would say that that leads to what my
biggest concern is. You know, your biggest concern when looking
at a team with so much talent, is did you
(10:45):
lose them like that? They are they losing hope on
the season and because you saw I saw something that,
like I just did. The demeanor of them when they
were walking off of the field. Man, it just it
wasn't good.
Speaker 2 (10:58):
Do you think if they if they win that Oregon game,
does that happen on Saturday. I don't think it does.
Speaker 3 (11:05):
I don't know. I don't know because I don't like.
You gotta you gotta shake off a loss, and you
gotta and you gotta have you gotta have yourself ready
and prepared to play that next week. Now, I'll be
the first one to say I won't. I won't throw
stones from a glass house. I mean, but it was
a different time. When I was in school. We lost
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a hell Mary last second kick, Minnesota beats us, We
go on a three game skit. We lost the next
two games. Now I think that was I think the
next game we were fighting the idea of we knew
we weren't going to have an opportunity to play in
the National Championship Game. And I don't know, no, I
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was thinking. I was talking when I was in school
so I'm saying I don't want to be I don't
want to be a critical person of saying that their
emotions was the reason why they lost, because I know
that's how we lost when I was in school. This
is what I'm saying, the example I'm given, So I
don't I don't want to sit here and say I'm
holier than that, say no, that it couldn't have been
an emotional loss that took place. I just I just
(12:14):
don't think that they looked good coming off of a
rebound game like that should have been the game that
was dialed up doctors' orders. That's your prescription. Go play UCLA.
You'll get back in the win column. Get yourselves together,
you come back, you have you have homecoming with Northwestern,
get right in that game, and then then you're you're
(12:38):
really ready for the meat of the schedule to make
the run for the playoffs. You know. I just didn't
feel as though this team looked as they just didn't
look like they've improved. And that that's concerning my two concerns.
They didn't look like they have really improved as a team.
And is this locker room lost.
Speaker 4 (13:00):
But that's what happens when you play cupcakes out the stretch,
which was talked about and discussed.
Speaker 5 (13:06):
And there's a reality to it, like this is not
that Dan and age.
Speaker 3 (13:08):
Of college football anymore.
Speaker 5 (13:10):
Where you play this you know, sisious of the blind
for the first three weeks.
Speaker 4 (13:14):
And then you get into some real games and you
then struggle and you wonder why. I don't know what,
maybe why other teams have played power forward programs. They
were prepared for the physicality, they're prepared for the scheme,
the you know, better talent they're playing against. Here's what
I know is this Penn State program is said ceiling,
(13:34):
and it pains me to say that. I really like
James Franklin, and I'm not like a believer that you
need to always you know, there just needs to be
changed sometimes for change's sake.
Speaker 5 (13:44):
But based on how this season is going to go.
Speaker 4 (13:48):
Nine, eight and four and it doesn't make the playoff,
we'll see what happens at a bowl game be meaningless
at that point. I would not be shocked if they
don't start looking around. I just I don't know what
other direction you go, Like this was such a loaded
up all in year, and LaVar, I'm sure you know
(14:10):
the detail is better than I do. But you look
at the past two years, the way Michigan did it
two years ago, the High State did this last year.
This felt like that year for Penn State and they
wildly unachieved and it's literally taken them to what we're
going in the Week seven of college football.
Speaker 3 (14:30):
I have no response to it other than other it's
a weird conversation for me because I do know a lot,
so I got to stay away from it just to
protect my own interest in the school's interest. But it
wasn't a good look, I'll say that. And while there's
(14:51):
still time, you got to say it's it's definitely a situation.
What what did they say to coaching? Uh and in
the program you I'm not saying you lost your job yet,
but you do need to win. And I think it's
(15:14):
taken on a different meaning of winning now. So I
hope they can win.
Speaker 4 (15:20):
Look, yeah, if they beat Ohio State, you know, that
might change the perception. Can't lose the Indiana the next
week though, Yeah, I know Indiana has a I know
Indiana has a big one.
Speaker 5 (15:33):
This week and won't find more about them then, But
I just.
Speaker 3 (15:37):
Man, that was that was tough to watch exactly the
confidence man like like I'll come away from a loss
and be like, that's our It was like like the
Oregon game. It was like we had it. We had
that game, Like we had it. Defense ran out of gas,
but we had it. We could have got that game.
This game, I'm sitting there and I'm like, oh my god,
(15:58):
we're going to lose this game. We're we're really gonna
We're We're really going to lose it. I'm really going
to lose this bro. They were and it's the manner
of which some of the things happened. Like they were
on the sideline. They were like dancing, they were throwing,
they were they were like like oop, do you and
(16:20):
their coaches like they got their holding the coaches throwing
like they're out of bar mitzvah or something like that.
Speaker 2 (16:25):
I don't think people listening in other parts of the
country understand how little people care about UCLA.
Speaker 3 (16:31):
Out here.
Speaker 2 (16:32):
Nobody cares.
Speaker 3 (16:32):
There was nobody there.
Speaker 2 (16:34):
Nobody cares. It's like they are a non story.
Speaker 3 (16:37):
There was like twenty people there and they were saying
over and it was really loud. Them twenty people were
really loud.
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Speaker 2 (17:24):
The Arizona Cardinals managed to put together the worst loss
of the season, and I don't really know what's second
to it.
Speaker 3 (17:31):
That was awful? How do you job?
Speaker 5 (17:35):
I don't call what it is.
Speaker 2 (17:36):
How How the f does Tennessee win that game? Oh?
I know how? Because we're still doing the whole drop
the ball before the end zone when you're on the
way to score a thing like that's still happening. And
then that just led to everything else that fell apart
for them, that crazy Tyler Lockett scramble fumble for a touchdown,
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just all of it. That was the worst loss of
the season. And I don't I'm looking around going if
you're Arizona or if you're like guys, are you starting
to question, like, hey, what are we doing here? Because
they're they're losing games close And then that happened and somehow,
some way, the Tennessee Titans are in the win column.
Speaker 3 (18:20):
That was brutal.
Speaker 4 (18:21):
Well again, like Tennessee had no business winning that game. No,
like they did really nothing to win that game outside
of jump on a ball that was intercepted, then fumbled,
then ping ponged around until it fell in the end zone.
Like the entire second half to come back. It was nice.
(18:42):
I just you'll never see a play like that ever again. No,
that interception fumble ball, like the whole thing, how that
worked out, You'll never see that ever again in the
history of football.
Speaker 3 (18:53):
I feel really.
Speaker 5 (18:53):
Safe in saying that.
Speaker 2 (18:56):
I mean, the crowd was shocked, like they like you
could you couldn't actually believed that this was happening because
they were u put by eighteen. And yeah, Tennessee could
generate nothing. Brian Callahan's having a deforce.
Speaker 3 (19:10):
Twenty one six A halftime, twenty one to six I halftime,
And they blanked each other in the third quarter. Yeah,
no one scored in the third quarter. It's terrible. They
gave up a sixteen. They gave up a sixty. Yeah,
I can read see that. See that thing it says
b O x box. Yeah, so anyway you can you
(19:34):
can gain that from looking at it. I mean, I
did watch the game some of.
Speaker 5 (19:38):
It, trust me, buddy. If you didn't know it would
play you.
Speaker 3 (19:41):
Yeah, no, I did. I did, and and I kind
of reflected the box score. They the Arizona Cardinals started
off pretty pretty quickly. You know. They were able to
move up and down the field. They had good offense,
and they they held up on defense like they were
able to limit them. And it seems like it seemed
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like they were doing what they wanted to do and
they had settled into what their game plan was going
to be. Now you go make your adjustments. They came
out at half. It seemed to be more of a
defensive struggle. They couldn't, you know, maybe lost their rhythm.
I don't I don't know what went wrong, but they
did find a way to lose the game. I don't
know that that was Tennessee finding a way to win
(20:26):
it more so than it was Arizona's finding a way
to lose it. So, and of course the obviously the
dropping the ball before you went to the I kind
of thought it was a touchdown. Honestly, I thought his
foot broke the plane. Now I know it's about the
ball breaking the plane, and it was starting to you know,
he was starting to come loose of the ball. Yeah,
(20:47):
that was the problem, I kind of but I kind
of felt like it was still it still was kind
of a touchdown.
Speaker 2 (20:53):
If he had if he had the ball in his
hand without it moving at all, and the tip of
the ball all it hits the goal line, it's touchdown.
Speaker 3 (21:03):
I kind of felt like it did.
Speaker 2 (21:05):
But why why even take I know.
Speaker 5 (21:08):
Why is this the thing?
Speaker 3 (21:10):
Why is this the thing? It's the stupidest thing in football.
Speaker 4 (21:14):
It's so dumb, Like what do you gain out of
dropping the ball that close to it? Drop it once
you get out the back of the end zone? Like,
does it look any any less cool? I don't get it,
am I just like that.
Speaker 3 (21:28):
Out of touch? My told?
Speaker 5 (21:30):
Is it because I'm white?
Speaker 4 (21:31):
Like, help me understand, Hold on, help me understand, Like
what makes that?
Speaker 5 (21:36):
What makes that cool? What makes that?
Speaker 7 (21:38):
Like?
Speaker 5 (21:38):
What you do?
Speaker 3 (21:39):
I mean, Lorena, are you not paying it? You're not
going hit You're not going to hit the racial racist?
Speaker 5 (21:44):
But question hit.
Speaker 2 (21:49):
Racist? There's options?
Speaker 5 (21:51):
Okay, I mean that one can't ask that questions all.
Speaker 2 (21:54):
The way over the raisan, but I'm with him. I
can relate, so.
Speaker 5 (21:58):
I can't ask the question why.
Speaker 4 (22:00):
I don't understand why players just game?
Speaker 3 (22:06):
What? What type of players?
Speaker 5 (22:08):
Who players?
Speaker 3 (22:09):
It's all players, A white guy, what type of it?
Because I'm saying what type of players? What type of
players are dropping the ball early?
Speaker 2 (22:19):
We've already we've already.
Speaker 3 (22:20):
Been spiking the ball early.
Speaker 2 (22:22):
Let's see we can go for three down.
Speaker 3 (22:24):
No one's spiking drop before.
Speaker 8 (22:30):
No.
Speaker 4 (22:30):
I just like, I literally just called a game. And
you've got a really talented play and Ada guy Mitchell
who's not playing because he's being disciplined. And mind you,
by the way, like the coaching staff is like, look
like we felt like we had to do this because
the locker room was so upset about it.
Speaker 3 (22:45):
The Colts legitimate should probably be undefeated.
Speaker 4 (22:48):
They should be undefeated, and like because of that one play,
they're not okay.
Speaker 2 (22:55):
Here's my question from when you guys were playing. If
you see somebody make an egregious air like that, a
mistake that could have been avoided, a dumb play like
ad Mitchell did the week before, is your coaching staff
as a teaching point on other teams that like the
next couple of days, is you, hey, by the way,
friendly reminder, we don't want to do this, Like, don't
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do that because apparently that didn't happen in Arizona.
Speaker 3 (23:20):
Because it happened, it just doesn't a week late. It
just like it just doesn't make sense. There's no way
to calculate how that makes any sense at any point
in time. So it's so it's just that can't get right.
Speaker 4 (23:35):
Move. So let me say, is if a player is
trying to reach for the goal line, which that actually, honestly, Jonas,
is more of a coaching point, like when a player's
going through the fenders going to reach, or if it's
like close, so they try to reach, a lot of
coaches will teach to not do that because they're concerned
(23:56):
about it getting knocked out going out the end zone.
So Derek Carry, that's actually like a legitimate on tape
coaching thing. You don't know, what's never talked about is
dropping the ball when there's no one around you running
in the end zone the time, because it's the stupidest
thing ever.
Speaker 3 (24:11):
Because the.
Speaker 2 (24:13):
Celebration, they just assume, Man, nobody's that dumb. Nobody's gonna
do that.
Speaker 3 (24:17):
It's like, why am I gonna coach dumb?
Speaker 5 (24:18):
That guy's not gonna be on my team.
Speaker 4 (24:21):
So like it's I can't believe this, Like you just
saw a player do it last week, How does it
happen again?
Speaker 5 (24:29):
And by the way, Jonathan Gannon was fired up.
Speaker 4 (24:30):
I'm not sure if you saw the clip of him
when he went over to Demarcado and he gave him
a good old chess bump.
Speaker 2 (24:37):
I mean, like why wouldn't you because everything fell apart
after that, just like they completely, like everything fell apart.
And it's not not to blame him on you know,
the other mistakes and the flukey play, but you just
you go back to that one and you go, oh wow,
that that really would have been the difference between them
winning and losing that game.
Speaker 3 (24:58):
And that's crazy, It's that's crazy.
Speaker 2 (25:04):
I don't understand, Like I.
Speaker 4 (25:07):
Said, I still would debate on his Jonah doesn't understand,
but he like, but LeVar, do you understand?
Speaker 3 (25:14):
Does it make sense to you? No, it doesn't, it doesn't.
It does not make sense to me.
Speaker 5 (25:20):
It's not because I'm white.
Speaker 3 (25:21):
Then well I didn't bring up you said because is
it because I'm white? I didn't say because you're white,
you don't understand.
Speaker 4 (25:29):
You on you people would say there's some people in
life that wouldn't understand it because they're white.
Speaker 3 (25:37):
People would say, based off of that statement, you're classifying
this bone hitted move. No, that's still a different racial
group would take it.
Speaker 2 (25:48):
I mean, tell you, Jonas, it's may see the equivalent
of LeVar telling us you guys never played the game.
It's like, you know what, so we can't relate to it.
Speaker 5 (25:58):
Just when you think Jonahs is gonna say something's gonna help.
Speaker 2 (26:01):
Him, I just like, you know, tries to get.
Speaker 4 (26:05):
Off the tangent. I don't think he asking the question. Like,
By the way, that's part of the issue with our
society is no one.
Speaker 5 (26:10):
Can ask questions anymore.
Speaker 3 (26:12):
I was just saying, people ask a question. No, don't
put that evil on me. Ricky, Bobby, what you said
so stop, I said, like, I helped me understand why there.
Speaker 2 (26:24):
Is a white guy, a white guy who had a
habit of reaching the ball for the goal line and
it fall a slipping way. Was Derek Carr. Derek Carr
did at least one.
Speaker 3 (26:34):
All I know is he said, can I not understand
it because I'm a white guy? Coop? What is what
would your conclusion be if he if somebody said that,
that's not being scient that's not being sensive, that's saying okay.
That means that white guys don't do this. So I
can't understand.
Speaker 4 (26:52):
That it doesn't do that with who does it? It
has to do with why I can't understand why, Like
what's cool that?
Speaker 7 (27:00):
Why?
Speaker 2 (27:00):
Okay, Coop? Can your white ass explain this to us?
Speaker 3 (27:03):
Please? Coop? Please come on, Coop, I don't want to
be involved. Come on, Coop?
Speaker 2 (27:11):
What are you ashamed to be white?
Speaker 3 (27:15):
Maybe?
Speaker 2 (27:15):
Right?
Speaker 3 (27:17):
I mean because Coop has to agree with me, like
you're if the way it was presented, it was like, hey, look,
I'm just trying to all the way I can understand
is this happens. I would have to be in the
racial group that does this to be able to understand
how this happens, which the more I thought about it,
(27:38):
I was like, dang, I can't come off with a
white dude that's done it. Come on one that's done it.
Like Jonas is like car when he was trying to
go across. It's like, yeah, dude, it's a He was
trying to help. I'm trying to try to help.
Speaker 2 (27:54):
I'm trying to make LeVar feel comfortable here.
Speaker 3 (27:56):
But hey man, you can't make me uncomfortable because I'm
not sensitive. But call it what it is.
Speaker 9 (28:01):
You said you couldn't understand that, Help me understand that,
to help you understand college what you wanted to Jonas?
Speaker 3 (28:14):
Jon didn't play.
Speaker 2 (28:16):
Damn and he didn't.
Speaker 3 (28:20):
And also for you to ask the question.
Speaker 2 (28:22):
And also I'm not black, so I don't I don't
qualify for this.
Speaker 3 (28:28):
I really should want to beach. I asked, is over
this for real? What I mean, just just because on
the principle is standing on business of being a black
asked the question to condemn him for that? I should, Yeah,
But Jonas is we already know he's a confirmed racist.
We we know this, So that's all right, But you Q,
(28:49):
I was expecting more from you. Q I wouldn't expected
use your understand this, you know.
Speaker 4 (28:57):
Throwing around a term that, hey, probably doesn't have any
business in sports talking.
Speaker 3 (29:02):
I mean, I don't know you took you Look, don't
get sensitive now you threw out like I'm asking for
your explanation. Don't try to reverse on me.
Speaker 2 (29:16):
You know, if somebody just turned on their car right now,
they're driving, like all, the first thing they hear is
Jonas is a confirmed racist.
Speaker 3 (29:25):
Brady Quinn just said, and I'm against it. Hey, hey,
there's no place for that type of No, there's no
place for those types of references in sports talk radio.
Like what.
Speaker 4 (29:38):
I'm saying that I'm saying, we throw around the word
racist very loosely.
Speaker 3 (29:42):
Yeah, I mean I I do, because well that's a
whole different conversation. Wait, why do you do that. There's
a different conversation. You know, what do you throw it around?
LaVar around? I unlike most people have a sense of humor,
and when there are serious issues, there are serious issues.
When I use I just tend to not use it
in serious issues, that's all. I stay away from the
(30:04):
serious issues with those types of terms, and I keep
them in a lighter, a lighter issue, which makes it
more you know, fun for me. That's that's kind of
how I approach it. You know, if it was something
like that was really really serious, that you wouldn't hear
me handle it that way. But this, this, in this
moment in particular, the way you sit it, the way
(30:27):
you sit it, and the way Jonas totally walked right
into it with you. Yeah, it was fun. That's my loyalty.
Though this was fun. I have fun with it. I
have fun, that's all.
Speaker 1 (30:38):
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Speaker 2 (30:48):
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Speaker 3 (31:00):
He good morning. Are you coming in here and clearing
your throat like that? Man?
Speaker 5 (31:03):
God, Bro, that wasn't me. Oh, that was that was me.
That was one Pete pre that was me. Don't put
it on by.
Speaker 8 (31:13):
The way, and by the way to Tomore, it's it's
coming from Brady who says he never gets sick. Who's
been sick for about fifteen days.
Speaker 4 (31:20):
I will admit it now, dude, My my health journey
has been, uh been quite the adventure of the past
few weeks.
Speaker 8 (31:27):
So what do you got?
Speaker 3 (31:27):
What do you got?
Speaker 8 (31:28):
Cold? Brady?
Speaker 3 (31:29):
We were I don't know now, it might be like pneumonia.
Speaker 5 (31:31):
I think I didn't. I didn't catch it and knock
it out quick enough.
Speaker 8 (31:34):
Jeez, oh, Brady, you got to get that out of you. Man,
that could be dangerous.
Speaker 5 (31:37):
And what do you do for pneumonia?
Speaker 8 (31:39):
What you rest? And of course you don't.
Speaker 5 (31:42):
Do that, but there's not gonna be a chance for that.
Speaker 8 (31:43):
So hey, hey, Brady, we were listening. We put your
sound on the game in the green room, and we
listened to you, and everybody in there it goes, oh
my god, that doesn't even sound like Brady. And I said,
you know why, because last week I said, I mentioned
to him that he says he never gets sick, and
he you know what, you said, you had allergies, And
they go, there's no chance he has allergies, No chance.
Speaker 3 (32:01):
Everybody I was.
Speaker 4 (32:03):
I was hyped up on a lot of different stuff,
so hopefully didn't sound too bad.
Speaker 8 (32:06):
No, you didn't you sound You sounded very good on
the game. You just didn't sound like yourself.
Speaker 5 (32:10):
Yeah, no, I haven't for like six weeks.
Speaker 2 (32:12):
Man.
Speaker 5 (32:12):
It's it's weird.
Speaker 2 (32:14):
Pete. Can you explain why it is guys continue to
drop the ball before they crossed the goal line?
Speaker 3 (32:21):
What is that?
Speaker 8 (32:22):
Yeah, to gain idiots and idiots and moron I mean, well.
Speaker 3 (32:28):
That is that target to get certain people are Why
would you say, LeVar see you already saying what the target? No,
I'm just I'm asking you because I can hear you, Pete. Yes,
the last segment we we had, we broached this conversation
and Brady asked the question, can I not understand this
(32:51):
because I'm a white guy? What would your conclusion be
after hearing Brady Quinn say that, I don't think.
Speaker 8 (32:59):
It matters if you're white or black or whatever. It's
just stupidity.
Speaker 3 (33:03):
That is stupidity. But that's not what I'm asking you.
I'm saying if you heard that, what would your conclusion
be as to why Brady Quick would say that?
Speaker 8 (33:12):
I don't Brady, why did you say that?
Speaker 3 (33:14):
I don't know why I can't understand. I think you'd
be scared enough not to not take it.
Speaker 4 (33:20):
I can't understand how a player would do that. And
so the only other former player on this show is Lafar.
I asked him and he went out, He's like, what's
that supposed to me?
Speaker 3 (33:29):
Wait? Wait, I just happened to be a blend dude
and you happen to be a white All of a sudden,
Penn State gets bludgeoned by UCLA. He turns into a
little whimpy boy. Yeah, you can't answer the question, pet.
Speaker 8 (33:44):
Because no in funny, you guys talking about that this
last night on the show. We were talking about it
and I said, it's, you know, really stupid to do it,
and and Ran Carthon said something about cache or you know,
for your Graham or whatever, and I go, okay, where's
what's cool about dropping the football? Even if you drop
it half the yard?
Speaker 3 (34:04):
Explained to me? And that was but you but you qualified?
You qualify it by do I not understand because I'm
a white guy. That's a fair question. This is a question.
He doesn't qualify how that's a fair question. Okay, but
why is it because you're a white guy you can't understand.
Speaker 2 (34:27):
I think Pete's the perfect I'd asked him because obviously
LeVar is black, Brady and I are white, and Pete's tan.
So he spots the difference, he splits the difference, and
so we needed an expert.
Speaker 3 (34:41):
So Pete so good? You know what?
Speaker 7 (34:44):
Good?
Speaker 8 (34:45):
What's the reason for it? Though, LeVar? What's you?
Speaker 3 (34:56):
I'm scared. I've scored a lot of touchdowns in my day,
and not one of them did I? I dropped the
ball early? Or do something early?
Speaker 2 (35:05):
Man?
Speaker 3 (35:05):
But before I crossed the goal? Lad for one? But
for two? Why am I the one that I'm getting
the question directed to?
Speaker 8 (35:14):
Right?
Speaker 3 (35:14):
I feel like this is an obvious there's an obvious
undertone connected here.
Speaker 8 (35:19):
I directed it well, I directed it to everybody. And
the reality is, when I think about it, what's the
point of it?
Speaker 3 (35:25):
Though? If you don't know, I don't know, why Why
would Why would I know? I don't, I don't know.
Speaker 8 (35:32):
I'm asking all of you.
Speaker 3 (35:33):
I know you said, LeVar, just like Q. Did you
directed it towards me as well? I don't. Actually I
didn't direct it at you. I am offending anything. I
just wanted to.
Speaker 5 (35:45):
I asked a general question.
Speaker 3 (35:46):
I would a white guy not understand a guy dropping
the ball early before going into the enzo I. It
was a fair legitimate question from him. In my defense,
I asked it initially to everyone. I know. It's a
general quest, which is okay to say. It's okay for
you to say what you meant.
Speaker 8 (36:06):
You know what last week? Last week was, Mitchell was
God's doing it?
Speaker 2 (36:11):
Damn it?
Speaker 3 (36:11):
All right, thank you, thank you. I'm just saying the
truth shall set you free. I'm sorry. Thank I go.
And it sucks because I know there's probably something out there,
but it's not in the NFL. I haven't seen it
from a white dude. I looked at down. It's like, wait,
(36:31):
hold on, why dude, if none, I haven't seen any
to do it.
Speaker 2 (36:36):
Well, they don't have that kind of breakaway speaking because.
Speaker 3 (36:38):
We don't have that much style. We don't have much separation, right.
Oh my god, y'all can try to hold up every opportunity.
We can't getting that. Damn. N. I'm just glad the
truth finally came out. See, Coop, you were afraid to
tell the truth. You could have been on record of
saying the truth. You knew what the answer was, Coop.
It's all good.
Speaker 2 (36:56):
I don't know why it happens. I really don't, Pete,
do you That's that's got to be the worst loss
of the season. And what does it say about where
Arizona is at.
Speaker 8 (37:06):
Well, it's the worst loss of the season because that
touchdown puts the game away. But then it becomes even
worse when you get an interception and you fumble it
in your into their they score touchdowns off of it,
and then you know, I'm to go get the game
winning field. It's it's horrible. It's a horrible loss. That
it tells you that Arizona is Arizona. That's what that
tells you. Every year you go into the season and think,
oh that Cardinals might be feisty and a little bit better.
(37:28):
They got added guys to the defense, and you know,
maybe Murray takes the next step and Marvin Harrison takes
the next step, and then all of a sudden, you're
still Arizona. That's what happens when you're one of those
teams and and you lose games like that that it
was the worst loss of the season by far, and
it might be one of the worst losses ever. So Pete,
oh god, God, God God, But they feel better than
(37:52):
Penn State. Today, No, jail, I have no I have.
Speaker 3 (37:58):
No response for it. Zero responsible.
Speaker 4 (38:02):
I'm the one that was more fired up this morning
to start the show about that game. But we'll save
that for another time. Last night's game. Are the pad
of the Fates? Are the Pats the new Kings of
the AFC East?
Speaker 3 (38:16):
No, No, but I will, I mean Pete the leaden
right now.
Speaker 5 (38:20):
They did it in Buffalo.
Speaker 8 (38:22):
They're not leading the division right now?
Speaker 5 (38:25):
You sure they lost twice? That's right?
Speaker 3 (38:28):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (38:29):
Sorry, damn well, New England lose to the Raiders.
Speaker 5 (38:33):
Yeah, I was just one game.
Speaker 8 (38:36):
By the way, Mike Rabel can coach. I mean, there's
no doubt about that. Mike Rabel can coach. It's still
the toughness in his team. That defense is pretty darn good. Now.
You know, when you have two corners that can play
man and man outside and the well the third ones
a good little nickel corner, two jones, you can lock
up a couple guys. And let's rereal with the Bills.
The Bills don't scare you down the field.
Speaker 3 (38:56):
They just don't.
Speaker 8 (38:57):
And that's the biggest concern, and that was the question
going into the season. I think that showed up last night.
Is their inability to get down the field and get
chunk plays in the passing game. So uh yeah, I mean, look,
it's a great win for New England. It's a It's
probably one of those, like the Eagles losing at home,
one of those wake up calls for a team we
thought were pretty pretty good going into the season, and
sometimes it gets you refocused. I am a little worried
(39:18):
about the Buffalo defense. I will say that they got
to you know, look to Davis White, can't you can't
run anymore? He couldn't. He was never fast to begin with.
They need to get Hairston back on the field, and
he's pretty close. And once he gets back on the field,
I think they'll be better on defense.
Speaker 3 (39:31):
Hmm. What stood out to you yesterday watching the games?
The most pete like there? There was quite a few.
What what did you focus in on? What was a
what was the storyline that you you're going to be
talking about as as the week unfolds.
Speaker 8 (39:45):
The Bucks are better than everybody gives me, I said,
I told you guys that before the season. I think
they're better than everybody gives them credit for for for
Baker Mayfield.
Speaker 3 (39:52):
Who's got to give him credit right now, Pete, Well, no, what.
Speaker 8 (39:56):
I'm just saying, the guys, yeah, white guy, everybody the
bus go into Seattle and play a really good team
that was really playing well on defense and just shredded them.
We just shredded them without And think about that offense.
We haven't seen the best of the offense. That offense
with yesterday was without Gheticky, who will be back at
(40:16):
right tackle eventually. They were without Mike Evans, they were
without Jayalen McMillan, they were without Bucky Irving, and here's
Baker Mayfield throwing the ball over the place. I mean,
how good can that offense be when everybody gets back,
They're gonna score a ton of points. They're a legitimate
threat to win the NFC. They really are. I mean,
you look at that team. They're one of the best
teams in the league and we haven't even seen the
(40:38):
best of them yet. So that Baker Mayfield in the
MVP conversation too, I think that's something that stood out.
And then Chargers, of course charging as they always do.
Just you know, three weeks ago we were sitting here, Tark,
Oh my god, the Chargers might be the best team
in the league and Justin Herberts on his way to
being an MVP. And they have a lead again Washington
(41:00):
who's floundering, and they rough the punter. They go down
and get a field goal. Next thing you know, they fumble,
and next thing you know, there's a ballgame. And that's
just that's the ultimate definition of charging. They when things
are going well, something always happens to that team. And
it dates way back to the old San Diego Chargers days.
Something always happened to prevent them from going to the
(41:22):
super Bowl, even then when they were maybe had the
best team in the league. And it's the same way now.
The Chargering never ends.
Speaker 2 (41:30):
Pete Prisco joining us here on Fox Sports Radio. What
the aff with the Baltimore Ravens like? And I know,
Lamar Jackson's out, but that defense has looked bad all year,
even going back to the you know, the the gag
job they put together against Buffalo in Week one. What
do you make of where Baltimore's at right now?
Speaker 8 (41:48):
It's historically bad on defense and that's been their calling
card for years. And you mentioned it, Okay, Lamar's out,
you take the field. Lamar's out. So if you're a
defensive team, even though they had guys injured, and believe me,
they're banged up. I mean, they didn't have Rokewan Smith
even though he hasn't played that well. They didn't have
Marlin Humphrey hadn't played that well this year. They don't
have them in the lineup. But go compete. That's an
(42:11):
offense that had done nothing all year. Basically, go compete
in the game, maybe not win it, but show up.
They didn't compete. And that's the biggest thing that surprised me.
The Ravens have always been known for smacking you in
the mouth, hit me in the teeth, and sending your
home and your bruise the entire next week. That ain't
the case anymore. Those guys don't beat up anybody anymore.
(42:32):
And that's the sad part about it. Having said all that,
when you play out their schedule and you look at
that division, if they can get Lamar back healthy again,
they have a chance to maybe go into this go
down the stretch and find a way play that week
final week game against Pittsburgh with a chance to go
to the playoffs. But things got to fall into place.
They got to get better on defense, no question, about it, Hey.
Speaker 4 (42:55):
Pe, last one for me? How many more losses can
the Giants take before they just throwing.
Speaker 3 (43:00):
The towel in the season?
Speaker 8 (43:03):
In terms of what Brady you know what.
Speaker 5 (43:05):
I mean, Joe, Shane and dab All being dismissed.
Speaker 8 (43:09):
I don't know. I don't know if that's gonna happen
during the season. And again I go back to does
it really? I mean, okay, Mike McDaniel, you want to
fire him? What do you who are you putting in there?
What does that do when you fire a guy during
the season? Have you played? Have you guys played on
teams where the coach got fired? Oh yeah, yes, okay,
what happened? Did you get better?
Speaker 4 (43:29):
It's it's pretty wild. I mean it's it's it's a
wild scenario. You know, guys start kind of doing whatever
the hell they want, you know, It's just it gets
pretty wild.
Speaker 8 (43:38):
Substitute tea. It's like when the substitute teacher came in
and you used to throw racers at the back of
his head from the back of the room.
Speaker 4 (43:44):
I think when Josh McDaniels got fired in Denver, Eric
students still took over. That was for like four or
five games. And that was a wild month. Let's just
put it that way. Of just seeing different things from players,
you're like, there's no accountability at that point.
Speaker 8 (43:58):
Of course not. And that's actually one of the guys
that's on the on the Dolphins staff now that they've
talked about. If they've made a fire and they make
him be in durw coach, that ain't going to work.
Speaker 5 (44:06):
Now.
Speaker 8 (44:06):
I will say this, if you had in the back
of your mind that maybe Anthony Weaver was going to
be the future head coach, then maybe that would make
some sense if you wanted to try and get a
jump start on that. But here's the other part of that.
I mean, you want to look at Miami Dolphins and
Anthony Weaver. His defense has been getting dashed. They give
up two hundred and something rushing yards last yesterday to
the team in Carolina that can't run the football. I
(44:29):
mean that was incredible. So I don't think coaching changes
really work. But if the Giants, I think Shane's getting
it no matter what after the season, and Davell has
got to show progress with Jackson Dart and if he
shows progress, Brady, you know how that is, and you're
you're a big believer in this keeping stability with the
quarterback and keeping the same system so he can grow
in it. So maybe they make a decision there to say.
Speaker 4 (44:50):
Hey, Okay, the Giants right now is like including the season,
last two are ten and twenty nine.
Speaker 3 (44:57):
They just lost to argue with the worst team in
the league by double digits.
Speaker 4 (45:01):
Like you're looking at it, you're looking at I'm with you, Brady,
I'm saying I understand what you're saying. But at some point,
as these build up, it gets to the point where
it doesn't even matter. You're just like, we need something else.
Speaker 8 (45:15):
Yeah, you're right, No, I agree with you on that,
But I'm just playing the Devil's outga flipsid because you're
a big believer in letting the quarterbacks have the same
system for a couple of years too, So I know
that you believe that strongly. The other part of that,
here's the other part of it. You know they got
baby LT over there and all those great pass rushs.
You how many sacks they had on Sunday? None? Zero
(45:36):
didn't show up. I mean, you're supposed to be a
team that has guys that just are menacing on the
defensive line. Knocking guys on the ground and they didn't
get a sack on Sunday. That's me is one of
the biggest disappointments.
Speaker 2 (45:48):
Get him on X at Prisco CBS. If you want
some of that smoke, he will provide it. He is
our senior NFL columnist for CBS Sports, CBS Sports HQ analyst,
the great p PRIs. Go with us here, Pete, we
appreciate it.
Speaker 8 (46:01):
We'll do quick thing with LeVar. Were you at the
game on Saturday in l A. I was, Oh boy,
you're the mush.
Speaker 3 (46:09):
Oh no, true, unlike hold On I go to you've
been to both losses though I've been to all the
wins too.
Speaker 8 (46:18):
Yeah, but but you've been to both losses so that
they can they're gonna say, LaVar, no one's mush, just
like James Franklin.
Speaker 3 (46:25):
You need to go oh no. I mean, so you
want to like take parting shots at me and my
alma mater like that.
Speaker 8 (46:32):
Pete, you know I love you, LeVar.
Speaker 3 (46:34):
That's thank you, sir, thank you. You know I'll allow
you get away with with the whole you know, early
early dropping the ball. But I draw the line with
Penn Stek though it's.
Speaker 8 (46:44):
Gotta be honest, all all right, fellow, all right.
Speaker 3 (46:47):
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