October 7, 2025 • 37 mins
Today on 2 Pros and a Cup of Joe, the guys discuss the Jaguars impressive win over the Chiefs, why the AFC South as a division shouldn’t be disrespected & FOX Sports Rules Analyst Dean Blandino stops by!
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Speaker 3 (01:08):
Good morning, Hi guy, whoa whoa.
Speaker 4 (01:11):
Jesus, We've got a Your voice sounds better today buddy, Well, we'll.
Speaker 3 (01:17):
Set that for right now. I'll sit with the rest
of the rest. Show's got in store your total last night, though,
Big Red and old red ass Liam Cohen, how about it?
Square it off?
Speaker 2 (01:27):
Duvall that is he's never going to live that down,
is he? No, it's always going to be him. Yeah,
I think that's all last the first win for the Jaguars.
But do it, you can do it the way you
want to do it today. Huh, that's the first Monday
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Night football win for the Jaguars, not mistaken since twenty eleven.
So it's been a little while since since they've been
in the win column on Monday Night. But that was
a fun game, fun game to watch.
Speaker 4 (02:00):
How Lloyd ran all the way into the end zone,
even even when they tried to knock the ball out
of his hand. Huh, held on time, didn't celebrate. Yeah,
it was good ball security. How about that? He was
digging too.
Speaker 3 (02:11):
Wasn't he? Man?
Speaker 4 (02:13):
He was digging like he knew how like he ran track.
He had great form. I was proud of the linebacker
last night. Great ball security, Yeah, real, great ball security.
He broke the myth, you know, the stereotype, you know
that that was plaguing, you know, plaguing.
Speaker 3 (02:29):
The what was like a white guys. How are you
trying to say? I don't know.
Speaker 4 (02:33):
I'm just saying he broke the stereotypes, is all I'm saying.
You know, it was good. I was proud of him.
I was like, man, please don't let the ball go early.
Please please, I don't want us to be judged.
Speaker 2 (02:46):
Are you guys going to uh do you do you
want me to do it for you? Or you guys
just want to apologize to the AFC South? Do you
want to? They got a couple of foreign one teams.
Speaker 3 (02:55):
Hey, man, the big bad Wolf is dead. Bro.
Speaker 2 (02:58):
That's all I know. They looked pretty good, which is interesting.
Speaker 4 (03:02):
Yeah, didn't gone that nobody's afraid of this, this Kansas
City team, Kansas City Chiefs team anymore. There's no fear factor.
There's no I hate to say that, there's no Mahomes
factor anymore. They're they are going to have to win
games now from here on out because nobody's afraid of them.
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And I think, listen, I think this Jacksonville team is
a pretty damn good team. I did not expect them
to be this good. I'll be the first one to
say that. For me, I didn't think that they would
be at this this record at this juncture in the season.
But watching them play against Kansas City, I mean, you're
talking about a team that has borderline been a dynasty team,
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if not a dynasty team, and probably we're out there,
maybe they're they're they're they're their strongest with their personnel.
You know, they had everybody back last evening and and
Jacksonville just you know, they were better. I thought they
were just they were better. I mean, if they don't
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fumble the ball on on that that one goal line play.
I mean, it was a close game, but I don't
think that it was super close, Like I don't. I
felt like they were the better team.
Speaker 3 (04:22):
You know what's interesting too, let's go back and review
their season so far. They lost at home or I
guess not at home. They're the home team. But Chargers
week one than what was that Mexico City where that
Brazil Brazil, Brazil, Brazil. Uh, they lose the Eagles. The
following week they beat the Giants. It's not really a
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great win.
Speaker 5 (04:44):
Uh.
Speaker 3 (04:45):
They beat the Ravens at home handily, but again Ravens
are struggling and then they lose the Jaguars, Like actual
think what you you know, you look at like who
they who? They've lost too, they've beat It's like what
they haven't really beat anyone. Yeah, well and when you
look well, All says, if you look at the rest
of the schedule, I mean, they've got the Raiders on there,
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but things pick up. They played Detroit next week, They've
got the Bills Broncos on the road back to back weeks.
Colts who is Jonas pointed out that are in the
AFC South, this division that's tough. At Dallas, Who's I
think exceeded our expectations. Maybe it's been a little bit
better than we thought. Has been a little bit better too.
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I mean the only thing they have going for them
is they played the Raiders twice because they're in the
AFC West. They start the Titans of the schedule. But
they've got a tough, tough stretch of games and I
don't know, man, Like I'm looking through the rest of
the schedule. I think getting to nine wins is going
to be really, really tough. Thank I'm just calling how
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I see it.
Speaker 4 (05:56):
I think Poteco hurt Jonahs say he hasn't been the same,
han't been the same? CHECKO was cooking last night? What
did I say that one of y'all said he was?
I'm pretty certain it was you that said Proseccochecko. I said,
Pachecko is a is a a really really solid piece
and a weapon for Kansas City.
Speaker 3 (06:17):
What do you mean he was cooking last night? But
what did you do? He was?
Speaker 4 (06:21):
I thought Pachecko was was a very very vital part
of their offense last night.
Speaker 3 (06:26):
I didn't even have forty yards last night. I thought
he was very very effective for the team. Do you
mean serious? I'm being did serious? The way he ran
the ball.
Speaker 4 (06:35):
The confusam hunts Hunt, Kareem Hunt, No, no, I no,
he got touchdowns. But Pacheco was running hard. He was
getting good yards for them and critical points and time
being serious, they did I think you have to run
for one hundred yards for you to be cooking.
Speaker 3 (06:53):
I mean he was playing.
Speaker 4 (06:55):
He did some really good things for them last night,
and he was running really hard.
Speaker 2 (06:58):
I was actually research I was researching this. I was
researching this after you was watching.
Speaker 3 (07:06):
He didn't even have a better average than Hunt last night.
I was watching cooking.
Speaker 2 (07:10):
I was researching this after the game. They called his
they called it the most impact they called it the
most impactful thirty six yards rushing in the history of
the NFL. So to Levar's point, I think he's onto
something there like that was you're being funny? Yeah, the
box score reading. But let's be talking to Checko had
a really good game. He was running really hard. You're
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going to doubt my research.
Speaker 3 (07:32):
He was very check He's very very looks like he's
running really hard. That's what I'm saying.
Speaker 4 (07:37):
He was running really hard and he made really hard Yeah,
but he was effective and running really hard. I'm telling
you he made some really good.
Speaker 3 (07:46):
Runs on something. What are you talking about.
Speaker 2 (07:50):
No, he had three catches.
Speaker 4 (07:52):
And they were he was impactful with what he was doing.
I watched the game.
Speaker 3 (07:56):
I'm glad you watched the game.
Speaker 2 (07:57):
I don't know why you're trying to judge my judgment.
I saw what I saw. I'm not going back down
on it no matter.
Speaker 3 (08:03):
If whatever I want. On this hill, I thought, look
good running the ball. I thought he was bizarre. Take.
I've ever heard you like I want to die out
a hill for this is great.
Speaker 2 (08:15):
I'm not going to die on the hill, but I'm
not going back down.
Speaker 3 (08:18):
Off of it.
Speaker 4 (08:20):
I mean, I thought you're Jacko did not look like
a running back that was different from an injury last night.
Speaker 3 (08:26):
He did not.
Speaker 4 (08:27):
He was effective, and he made some some really really
nice plays for them, picked up first downs for them.
Speaker 3 (08:34):
I thought he'd played. He was cooking.
Speaker 2 (08:36):
I'm y'all say what I want. That's what I saw
from you.
Speaker 3 (08:40):
Do you really He had one long run for what
fifteen yards?
Speaker 4 (08:47):
But it was sixteen It was it was his usage
and his integration in the offense.
Speaker 2 (08:52):
He had some critical moments. Okay, do the.
Speaker 3 (08:56):
Bath on that. You take away that one run. Okay,
he averaged put over three yards per attempt.
Speaker 2 (09:04):
Okay, they were a good three yards.
Speaker 3 (09:06):
Yeah. The homes led them in rushing last night. Yeah,
Kareem Hunt was the actual, more impactful running back.
Speaker 4 (09:12):
Those guys benefited from the way Pacheco was playing last night.
Speaker 3 (09:16):
Yes, all right, this is a skit. This is a game.
Speaker 2 (09:20):
Negative about it. It's not. It could have been less
than three yards to carry. Yes, this is you guys
are being gangers right now.
Speaker 3 (09:30):
Yeah, I'm not. I'm not playing anymore whatever you're doing
playing any games. I'm bidding serious. They lost the game.
Speaker 4 (09:38):
I'm not going to sit here and keep like going
back and forth about Pachecko.
Speaker 2 (09:42):
I like the way he looked last night. I like
the way he played.
Speaker 4 (09:45):
He didn't look like he was injured or a different
running back from before his injury.
Speaker 2 (09:51):
I thought he looked I thought he looked good. I
thought he looked good.
Speaker 3 (09:55):
So random? Am random?
Speaker 2 (09:58):
Well?
Speaker 4 (09:58):
When I when I saw him making some of the
plays that he made and was cooking, and my estimation,
I thought about.
Speaker 3 (10:06):
Jonas thirty six yards is cooking. That's something.
Speaker 2 (10:11):
Hey man, I just know what I was seeing when
I was watching, you.
Speaker 3 (10:14):
Were seeing thirty six yards. That's a lot of production.
Speaker 4 (10:18):
I mean, when the production is specified and intentional, it's
it's pretty good.
Speaker 2 (10:24):
I mean, it's about what Saquan's averaging a game this year.
Speaker 4 (10:27):
Well, I mean, y'all trying to be fun nothing anyway, anyway,
I did where'd you rus? Where'd he go to the
Rutgers anyway? You know, there's been a lot of things
said about what Kansas City could or couldn't be, may
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or may not be. What they aren't is intimidating. That's
that's just that's ultimately what it comes down to. I
don't really know what Jacksonville is. They play some some
hell of fad defense. They do play defense, and I
know they were highlighting the fact that the secondary is very,
very physical. They are physical. It is a physical group.
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I'm not sure what they are. I don't know if
their record is really who they are. I mean, they've aren't,
they've aren't where they are. They're four to one, but
I'm not sure about them. I'm not sure. They're offense
sputtered at times, and I thought that they could have
been They could have been better in some spots. But
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I mean, nonetheless, they were able to win the game.
And like I said, I thought they were the better team.
I didn't think that they just pulled the game out
because it did get interesting at the end. I thought
that they were the better team last night over the
Kansas City Chiefs.
Speaker 2 (11:48):
You want to hear Liam Kohane, mister du Baal talk
about the Trevor Lawrence play gets stepped on scrambles, make
something of it and scores the game winning touchdown for
the Jaguars last night. Here was the Jacksonville head coach was.
Speaker 3 (12:06):
Throw it away?
Speaker 6 (12:07):
No, I mean because you know when he got stepped
on and he's coming out of it and you're like,
oh my gosh, throw it away so we could have
another down.
Speaker 3 (12:16):
Man, what an individual effort.
Speaker 6 (12:19):
I mean, obviously a tough moment where I can only
imagine where he was at in that moment on the ground,
But to get up, break what three tackles or whatever
it was, two tackles and shed some dude off and
go running in the end, I mean, that's an unbelievable
individual effort.
Speaker 3 (12:37):
Yeah, we'd love it to.
Speaker 6 (12:38):
Be cleaner, uh, and just making a nice executed play,
But at the end of the day, it's about winning.
And I'm proud of the toughness that he showed at
the end of that game.
Speaker 2 (12:48):
You know, he reminds me of Nick Sirianni. He's got
kind of this quirky confidence. He's not no no, But
my point.
Speaker 3 (12:59):
Is he's not Italian saying well, I.
Speaker 2 (13:02):
Mean, listen, you know, I mean not everybody's perfect, I guess,
but I look at him and I go, that's a
guy who people criticize the hiring because of his duval stuff,
and like, all right, this is off to a bad start,
just like they did the same thing with an experience. Yeah, boy,
this is this is this is off, this is off
to a bad start, and then he goes out there
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and he just does it a little bit differently. He's
getting into, you know, fights after the game with Robert Sala.
He's just he's got this gregarious sort of personality to him.
And I just wonder how many people saw this in
Jacksonville after the Duval comments and just assumed, I'll here
we go, this is another goofball who's going to get
a job, and he's going to be out in two
(13:43):
to three years and Jacksonville is going to recycle coaches.
He's probably the coach of the year in the NFL
right now, like he's probably.
Speaker 3 (13:51):
I'd probably put Shane Steigen up there too, but I'd
also say this. I mean, what he's doing is tapping
into a roster that's had players in a particular quarterback
that people have felt really good about for a long time.
I mean, this is finally, I guess the staff of
the group that's able to maximize Trevor Lawrence get the
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defense to play at a higher level. I mean that's
what this is. Find a running game. I mean, yeah,
I meant to stay healthy as long as etn stays healthy.
Speaker 4 (14:26):
I think that will be part of it. But it's
found balance. He's definitely created balance with that team, and
and there's a belief you could see like they were
ready to compete again. I don't think this is a
bad Kansas City Chief team. That's the crazy thing about it.
I do not think this is a bad team. I
just don't think anybody's afraid of them anymore. And so
(14:46):
when they got to play head up head up, I
mean they you know, that was a major, major mistake,
you know, with that interception, a timely mistake with the
ninety nine yard interception return. But I thought that was
more about that kid's will to get to the end
zone than it was anything else, because you could almost
stop them, see if you could live to fight another day,
but he wasn't going to be denied that touchdow LB.
Speaker 3 (15:10):
So I thought last night's uh drive by Trevor Lawrence
to go ahead, like, there's there's something to be said
for that. You know, he hasn't had many of those moments,
and to be able to do that the way he did,
I just I thought that was a big moment for him. Now,
maybe you guys don't see it as much that way.
Speaker 4 (15:31):
But you know, I'm just going to disagree with you,
just to disagree though and what you can because you.
Speaker 3 (15:36):
Already talk about it. But checkout think which was bizarre.
But come on, no, but like think about most most
of them, most teams listen to this. When Kansas City
goes up twenty twenty four, the under two minutes, that
was like, that's been the Steve Spagnola, Kansasity Chiefs, Chris Jones.
They find a way of closing out the game. Yeah,
(15:57):
like they find a way of closing out that game. Like,
oh no, Kansas City did what they did at twelve
play drive right, they come back, they take the lead.
And by the way, it's not like you need a
fueld goal, you need a touchdown. And I just I
look at you know, look, it obviously help when Butler
h Harrison Bucker kicked it out of bounds, right, so
(16:18):
that gives them good field position, which gives you a
little momentum right off the bat. But I also go,
all right, you still gotta go down and get a touchdown.
And this like, when's last time you can think of
Trevor Lawrence bringing this team back in a game, and
especially versus a good team.
Speaker 2 (16:33):
The playoff game against the Chargers.
Speaker 3 (16:36):
That's why the last time, which was what two three
years ago?
Speaker 2 (16:38):
Yeah, yeah, it's been a while.
Speaker 3 (16:39):
It might have been longer than that.
Speaker 2 (16:40):
Right, Brandon Staley was the coach. That's all long ago,
that's been Yeah.
Speaker 3 (16:45):
So I just I look at this and I go,
all right, it's a big moment, not just for the
win till LaVar's point about maybe where Kansas City's at,
but just you know the perception of this win, but
also for Trevor Lawrence. It's a big step. A lot
of people questions about what he is, what he's not.
If you can still be the guy everyone thinks. So
for this team to be able to do that, that
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that stood out to me like that that's meaningful. I
think in the bigger picture of the perception of Trevor Lawrence,
if he can be the guy everyone thinks he's going
to be and get the job done, and he did
last night.
Speaker 2 (17:17):
I mean, if ESPN could you know, get the camera
off and when he's about a knuckle.
Speaker 4 (17:22):
Just definitely had him up in his that's a big nose.
I was just put his fingers in his mouth.
Speaker 2 (17:28):
Man.
Speaker 4 (17:29):
I was like please don't eat these, please please, Trevor,
please don't get it out of there.
Speaker 2 (17:34):
Get out of there, please get out of there. Mayda
abort at Who's like? Who's onmerating that?
Speaker 3 (17:44):
Bro? Come on?
Speaker 2 (17:44):
He looked so majestic and stoic. Camera three, stay with it.
Speaker 4 (17:48):
Then his nose just went right on up. His finger
went right.
Speaker 2 (17:52):
On up, man, Like, what a bounce back here for
Trevor Lawrence.
Speaker 3 (17:56):
I started thinking to myself.
Speaker 4 (17:58):
I was like, man, yeah, I used to have a
ton of night and boogers in my nose on the sideline. Man,
that was always a thing, Like I'd always end up
in the camera with boogers in my nose, A booger dude.
Speaker 3 (18:07):
Man.
Speaker 2 (18:08):
So I was always like, I was always mixing with
my nose.
Speaker 4 (18:12):
Oh no, they caught that man in a compromising position, man,
and I didn't like it.
Speaker 2 (18:16):
People still blow snot rockets.
Speaker 3 (18:18):
Absolutely. I still do that now. Yeah what are you
talking about? I did that yesterday?
Speaker 2 (18:23):
So yeah, I'm not judging. It's fine, Well why not
for me?
Speaker 3 (18:26):
But do you not?
Speaker 2 (18:28):
I if I need to, if there's nothing nothing to
blow my nose with, yeah, it's got to happen, you know.
Speaker 4 (18:34):
I'm just curious. I just do it to do it
sometimes because it just makes sense.
Speaker 3 (18:37):
You're you're really not going to raise your son, right,
That's the problem is you asked that question Tank because
you go in the baseball field, you're probably like, oh,
let me get you a tissue. Let me get you
a tissue real quick, hold on, let me, hey, is
anyone got a tissue? We got a tissue out there
for my son.
Speaker 4 (18:55):
Let me go hand brush your yourselot where you stand.
It's not accurate, and make sure I get the little
handheld sweeper so I can make sure your space is.
Speaker 2 (19:03):
I tell him to blow his nose on another kid's jersey. Oh, well,
there you go to When he gets to five, I'll
teach him snot rockets. And when he gets to six,
I'll teach him to you know, if he's got to,
you know, pull some other shenanigans like, there's there's stages here.
There's a process to all this, a right, there's a method.
Speaker 3 (19:20):
Many I'll tell me about parenting. Pow.
Speaker 2 (19:22):
Yeah, don't worry, you'll get there one day.
Speaker 3 (19:25):
Man.
Speaker 4 (19:26):
I got faith, by the way, uh, I got a
son living with a with a girl. So you know,
y'all get on my level. Yeah, y'all, get on my level. Damn,
he lives with his chicken. You know what comes next?
Uh yeah?
Speaker 3 (19:47):
Are you ready for.
Speaker 4 (19:47):
That brou I mean he's responsible, so it won't be
too soon. I don't know that I'm ready to be
a grand day. I'm a great I'm a great uncle.
Though one of my nieces had a kid. Getting old, Man,
I'm getting old.
Speaker 2 (20:05):
You also got a dog that's hopping fences now.
Speaker 4 (20:08):
I can't believe the dude is going to too. It's
to our yard. It's still our yard that he's hopping into,
but there's a low retainer wall where there's little dogs
down there that be barking at him. And I think
he's gotten tired of them barking at him. And now
that he's marking. So now he's gotten that big. He's
going over the gate.
Speaker 2 (20:29):
He'd probably been busting the falls about the skunk baby yelling.
He's been the same since to Skunky.
Speaker 4 (20:34):
I'll tell you that he's been out for blood, got
something to prove, and out for blood. I gotta get
my rep back out there, like we should named him Rambo.
First blood out that bad boy.
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Speaker 5 (21:48):
You know you know when I when I hear that music,
I'm actually sitting in my in my library right now
from I've got you know, just got a couple of
people around me. One I just kissed my hand. Yeah
you know, I'm just sitting there like Acino and just
ready to go.
Speaker 2 (22:06):
You gotta you had a handgun hidden it behind the toilet,
you know. Yeah, got a horse head and.
Speaker 5 (22:14):
A bit horse said it's never personal, so it's only
don't Yeah, that's that's one way of putting it. Wow,
you the horse, you had the horse ready to go?
Speaker 1 (22:26):
Good job.
Speaker 3 (22:28):
Well we just talked about justin Tucker and as Jonas
would call it the grab lab. So yeah, yep, yep, Dean,
I've got a question from my game. I'm still trying
to figure this out. Do you know where I'm going
with this one? About the the roughing the kicker on
the pat we had with Colts Raiders, which then somehow
(22:51):
when they instituted the penalty on the kickoff, the Colts
kicked out of bounds and meanwhile the Raiders got penalized.
Can you help explain that whole thing to me?
Speaker 5 (23:00):
So that's one of those deals where a kickoff out
of bounds is the penalty is twenty five the twenty
five yards in the spot of the kick right. So
normally we kick off from the thirty five kickoff out
of bounds, you get the forty which is a great
field position. It doesn't change if the ball is moved
because of a penalty right fifteen yards for the carryover
(23:23):
on the kickoff or on the pat, it it's still
twenty five yards. So it's actually a smart play, you know,
kicking it out of bounds.
Speaker 3 (23:32):
But the interesting thing was they didn't mean to, like,
I don't think they knew the loophole. I think there's
some confusion. May officials seemed confused too.
Speaker 5 (23:41):
Yeah, I think you know now, I think teams won't
will will figure that out that hey, and look that
that doesn't happen very often. One of the things when
they went to this new kickoff, because remember it used
to be the old kickoff. If you had a touchdown,
like team throws a touchdown pass and there's rough of
the passer, a team could elect to take that on
the kickoff. Now you can't. You have to do it
(24:02):
on the try because they want to avoid that that
situation moving the kickup or back. But on the pat
there's nowhere else to put it. You have and you
have to enforce personal fouls, and so that's just one
of those weird kind of I don't know if it's
a loop. Well, it's just that's the rule.
Speaker 3 (24:19):
It's a loophole. I mean, that's one that you'd have
to think they'll change in the off season, right, I.
Speaker 5 (24:23):
Think they'll they'll talk about it. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (24:26):
I think it's like the Raiders are sitting there thinking, like,
they just kicked the ball out of bounds and we
get penalized for it.
Speaker 5 (24:31):
Yeah, but they did, but they did foul, right, so
they they there should be some penalty to that because
of the foul. But yeah, I get it, and I
know there was.
Speaker 3 (24:40):
No penalty to it. Like, so what happened was the culture.
Speaker 5 (24:43):
So this takes me back to when Brady was in
the studio and he would come up and we would
argue about rules and stuff, and I'd be like, yeah,
you're right, dude, you're right, and then he'd leave and
I tell the rest of the room he is so
fully you know what.
Speaker 3 (24:56):
Well, the funny thing about this is you're with Tom Brady,
So apparently attention Perreira goes. It'll be on the tape
next week. It'll most like change, it will most likely
change next year, because.
Speaker 5 (25:07):
You're exactly right. You're exactly right, well right, I mean, by.
Speaker 3 (25:13):
The way, I guess I understand now why NFL fish
things so bad. This is what we've got. We've got
guys who can't give me a damn answer.
Speaker 5 (25:21):
We know you had a long weekend. We're just gonna
leave it there.
Speaker 3 (25:26):
But you act like you gave an answer that would
make Raiders fans understand what the hell happened? They lost
field position.
Speaker 5 (25:34):
But didn't they foul on the extra point?
Speaker 3 (25:38):
Yes, but they kept the pat and the instituted on the.
Speaker 5 (25:41):
Kickoffs, they still fouled, so they should be put at
a disadvantage, right, normally you get fifteen yards on that.
That's the only point I get what you're saying.
Speaker 3 (25:50):
I don't know they will at a disadvantage and then
the kick play happens and that's a new play, right.
Speaker 5 (25:53):
And that's a new play? Yeah?
Speaker 3 (25:55):
Sure, yeah, So okay, then how are you penalizing the team?
Then that wasn't in that situation, pedal, Why do they have.
Speaker 5 (26:01):
To That's that's the rule. It's twenty five yards. If
you want to then if you want to change it, okay,
if the balls moved because of a penalty that carries over.
Now now it gets more complicated, and we're going to say, okay,
it's not twenty five yards in that instance, maybe it's okay,
it's we still want to end up at the forty.
So if you kick it out of bounce and then
they could that could be a change. And you say,
(26:22):
then in that instance, we're still going to be put
at the forty.
Speaker 3 (26:25):
I'd hope you understand what I'm saying though, is they
kicked it out of bounds.
Speaker 5 (26:27):
And not on that play they fouled, and then they
were they were putting the rewards found and they were
put in worse to the field position.
Speaker 3 (26:38):
Yep, well the Colts found, but they were a reward
for it. Basically is how I put it simply, I
got it.
Speaker 5 (26:44):
I got it.
Speaker 3 (26:45):
I will I got it.
Speaker 5 (26:46):
My godfather, I will, I got it. I'll send them
over to you know, South Florida.
Speaker 2 (26:50):
But anyway, Dean I had something that probably won't make
Raider fans happy either. So last night the Chiefs pull
off I guess a legal pick play near the goal
line on the Travis Kelce touchdown, which that was crazy. Well,
they threw the flag and all the Chiefs ran over
to let them know no, no, no, no, no, no, no, that was
within the rules. It was the foot yard, it was
the But you know, I think the rules analysts last
(27:14):
night was looking at it saying, yeah, I probably would
have thrown the flag there and kept it. That should
have been an illegal pick play. The narrative surrounding the
maybe that the Chiefs get away with more than other
teams do, or the officiate like, do you guys hear that?
And is there an emphasis like, hey, make sure we're
calling this the right way, because there's already a narrative
(27:34):
out there publicly that one team gets the benefit of
the doubt over others in the NFL.
Speaker 5 (27:39):
Yeah, I think, Look, officials are people, and they and
they not that they're trying to tell officials stay up
for social media state, but they're not. They They live,
they work, they do different things, They see these things
that everybody talks about. It's not they're not immune to it.
But it doesn't. We never said, hey, oh my gosh,
the t you know, the Patriot to winning all these
(28:00):
super Bowls, so the Chiefs are winning. We got to
make sure that we were extra careful during those games.
It's every game, right, there's so much scrutiny. There's the
microscope is on the officiating all the time. So they
just want to get it right. I mean, that's to play.
It was close. The rule is one yard right, you
can legally pick within a yard of the line of
(28:20):
scrimmage official through the flag. They talked about it. It's
where the contact occurs. I thought they should have left
the flag down. But you know, as far as narratives go,
that they're just trying to get the plays right and
they're not worried about you know which teams and over time,
and there's been studies that ESPN just did a deal
where they looked at the last however many years twenty
(28:43):
years at looking at penalties and the chiefs weren't on
the on the over that long a period. They it
wasn't like the chiefs were getting more calls than their
opponents or less calls. It tends to even out over time.
But the officials are just trying to go out and
do the best they can, and they're not worried about
narratives that are going out that around around the you
know the NFL.
Speaker 4 (29:04):
Dean, I'm gonna switch gears on you. And and this
is you know, I'm a defender. It pains me to
have to watch the game be called the way that
it is.
Speaker 3 (29:18):
The protection of the quarterbacks.
Speaker 4 (29:19):
Can we get to a point on where we just say,
maybe you tag off on the quarterback, maybe you grab
a flag. I know we're promoting flag football. I mean,
but at some point when you see what what happened
with with with Granderson in that Saints Giants game, Uh,
(29:41):
Cam Jordan went off about it. A lot of guys
were incensed about it. How do you justify that play?
Even just some of the I've seen guys make make
hits on the quarterback, and even the way they are
allowed or able to fall is now being scrutinized very
(30:05):
very closely. But this one was so egregious. Can can
you give some clarity on the Carl Grandis and uh,
you know this sack on on the court on dark
that one.
Speaker 5 (30:16):
Look, it's the only justification is that it happened fast.
The official looks at it and and and in in
their judgment thought it was a foul. It's not right,
It's just and we see some of these hits and
it's become increasingly it's more difficult to tackle the quarterback
today than it's ever been because, like you said, there's
you can't hit. You can't go to the headneck area,
(30:38):
and they're going to lean toward when it's close. It's
a foul. You can't go to the knee area below
you can when now when you even tackle the quarterback,
you have to get your body off to the side,
which which you know better than me. That's hard, always
easy to do exactly exactly.
Speaker 3 (30:55):
You got to figure out how to.
Speaker 5 (30:57):
Try to tackle like Josh Allen or or some of
these big quarterbacks and get them on the ground. It's
going to be hard to adjust your body. So I
think the league, the reality is the quarterback position does
put that player in a defenseless posture. Right, you focus
the downfield, so we get that part of it. It
(31:17):
is right. We look at what's happening in Baltimore with
Lamar out, look at what happens when when a quarterback
is out. Well, you know that this is such an
important position to the to the health of this game.
But I think we've gone overboard in some instances. I
really do. And that's and I don't think the league
is going to back down. I think they say, okay, well,
(31:37):
well we'll live with that. You know, a handful of
bad calls if it keeps our quarterbacks in the game.
But it's tough because that's a you know, it didn't
affect that game, but it could, and that that's a
you know, you want to go to your officials and
go what did you see? What what did you you know?
And then just correct that going forward because it just
wasn't a good call.
Speaker 8 (31:57):
Uh.
Speaker 3 (31:57):
The other play, I think a lot of fans, at
least on the Jacksonville Soyer frustrated by was the non
defensive PI call h Parker Washington who got blown up
by the Casey defender. Did you just take me through
what the officials like, seeing how they go about trying
to determine, you know, defensive pass interference in that case
or not.
Speaker 1 (32:14):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (32:14):
I mean that's a tough one because it all happens
so quickly. It's a bang bang play. And you know
we just talked about like that pick play with on
the Kelsey touchdown. Okay, well, is the receiver initiating the contact?
Is the defender initiating the contact? Isn't just a collision
because of the route and the defender going to play
the ball. So there's a lot happening and it's such
(32:36):
a quick, a quick short window. So look, yes, when
you watch it on film, he makes contact before the
ball arrives, looks like he initiates it. It's it's a foul,
but you know in real time, and then you have
multiple officials. Each receiver at at the snap has one official.
Every eligible receiver has one official that starts with that
(32:58):
receiver right, and then and then depending on the routes
and depending on on how the players run, there could
be switches and they go they go man the zone
and then ball. In terms of the officiating part of it,
and uh and so it's tough and you have different
angles from different for different officials positions. So not again
not condoning that that oh they missed it, and it's
(33:22):
it's we got to get that call right. But still
it's it's it's easy to watch it on tape and go, well,
that's a foul versus live in real time, seen it
the first time from different angles, different officials, and becomes
you know, it's a tougher play to officiate.
Speaker 4 (33:36):
Dane, I hate to do this and stay on this
whole theme of us defenders are are villainized and in
the way you guys call call games and stuff like that,
and how you will. But I'm going to ask this,
I will never understand. And this happened to me one time.
I remember I was trying to tackle Emmitt Smith, and
(33:56):
EMMITTT Smith grabbed me by my face mask, and so
I returned to favor and grabbed him by his and
we both went down to the ground. I got a
fifteen yard penalty for a face mask.
Speaker 2 (34:07):
Why is it?
Speaker 4 (34:09):
Why is it that a stiff arm is not the
same thing as a face mask? Why is there a
differentiation between a guy that gets his Like, Okay, you're
grabbing me the stiff army and you've grabbed my face mask. Now, granted,
I know that the rules is that they should throw
the flag, but you and I both know the same
(34:30):
type of action you see from a running back or
a quarterback in their hand going to the face of
a defender. If the defender does that to an offensive player,
they get a flag that's automatic.
Speaker 3 (34:42):
Why is that?
Speaker 5 (34:43):
Yeah, I mean, you're absolutely right in that in that
the rule is the same for both. The stiff farmer
is legal, but if you grab the mask of the defender,
that should be called. It doesn't get called as much
as it happens, whereas the defender, so it's almost ninety
nine percent of the time that's going to get called.
And and this has been a discussion topic for the
Competition Committee, where you know, do you do you outlaw
(35:07):
the stiff farm because even right hands to the face,
if you go if a stiff farm, that same type
of action happens somewhere else. If it's an offensive lineman
block and the defensive lineman or vice versa with the
hands up to the that gets called hands to the face.
The stiff arm is legal. And the theory always was,
at least the Competition Committee and the conversation was that
(35:28):
the ball carrier, the runners, has to have an ability
to protect themselves to ward off, to try to to
try to break tackles. So they didn't want to put
that ball carrier at.
Speaker 4 (35:39):
But the defender doesn't have the right to do the
same thing to protect themselves.
Speaker 5 (35:43):
No, And that's and that is that is we we
talk about offensive and defensive balance, but the reality is
that the scales are always tipped. They're going to be
tipped to the offense. And that's one of those deals
where because we would see we'd see the stiff arm,
and they're plays where instead of grabbing the mask, the
defender just grabs whatever they can and they end up
(36:04):
with a horse callar and the horse collar gets called
and they don't call the mask. So it's it's tough.
I don't think I don't have a great answer. I
don't think the competition Committe has a great answer. I
think they keep the stiff arming the game other than
the officials have to call have to call it on
the runner when when he does grab the mask. But
you know that that doesn't get called as awesome like
I said, as it should.
Speaker 2 (36:26):
Dean Blandino, Fox Sports, NFL College Football rules Analyst, Always
a good time here on a Tuesday morning, Dean, hell
of a job. We'll do it again next week. Thanks you, Brady.
Speaker 5 (36:38):
I still love you.
Speaker 3 (36:39):
I love you, Dean. I wait to watch the video
where you gotta, you know, kind of run everything.
Speaker 5 (36:43):
Back if you I'm doing the video this week, so
and that play will not be on there, so don't worry.
Speaker 3 (36:48):
Well, here's the thing I don't understand is, like we
have you guys there as a resource. Pereiro is nowhere
to be found, and obviously you're with the DA crew,
so it's like I'm like, I rode An Island here,
try to figure this out. Wow, all right, No, you
just stated how it is. Man. I'm sorry. You can't
handle the truth.
Speaker 5 (37:05):
You can now we're onto. Now we're onto fe good men.
Speaker 2 (37:08):
Wow, you can't handle the truth.
Speaker 5 (37:13):
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Speaker 3 (01:08):
Good morning, Hi guy, whoa whoa.
Speaker 4 (01:11):
Jesus, We've got a Your voice sounds better today buddy, Well, we'll.
Speaker 3 (01:17):
Set that for right now. I'll sit with the rest
of the rest. Show's got in store your total last night, though,
Big Red and old red ass Liam Cohen, how about it?
Square it off?
Speaker 2 (01:27):
Duvall that is he's never going to live that down,
is he? No, it's always going to be him. Yeah,
I think that's all last the first win for the Jaguars.
But do it, you can do it the way you
want to do it today. Huh, that's the first Monday
(01:47):
Night football win for the Jaguars, not mistaken since twenty eleven.
So it's been a little while since since they've been
in the win column on Monday Night. But that was
a fun game, fun game to watch.
Speaker 4 (02:00):
How Lloyd ran all the way into the end zone,
even even when they tried to knock the ball out
of his hand. Huh, held on time, didn't celebrate. Yeah,
it was good ball security. How about that? He was
digging too.
Speaker 3 (02:11):
Wasn't he? Man?
Speaker 4 (02:13):
He was digging like he knew how like he ran track.
He had great form. I was proud of the linebacker
last night. Great ball security, Yeah, real, great ball security.
He broke the myth, you know, the stereotype, you know
that that was plaguing, you know, plaguing.
Speaker 3 (02:29):
The what was like a white guys. How are you
trying to say? I don't know.
Speaker 4 (02:33):
I'm just saying he broke the stereotypes, is all I'm saying.
You know, it was good. I was proud of him.
I was like, man, please don't let the ball go early.
Please please, I don't want us to be judged.
Speaker 2 (02:46):
Are you guys going to uh do you do you
want me to do it for you? Or you guys
just want to apologize to the AFC South? Do you
want to? They got a couple of foreign one teams.
Speaker 3 (02:55):
Hey, man, the big bad Wolf is dead. Bro.
Speaker 2 (02:58):
That's all I know. They looked pretty good, which is interesting.
Speaker 4 (03:02):
Yeah, didn't gone that nobody's afraid of this, this Kansas
City team, Kansas City Chiefs team anymore. There's no fear factor.
There's no I hate to say that, there's no Mahomes
factor anymore. They're they are going to have to win
games now from here on out because nobody's afraid of them.
(03:25):
And I think, listen, I think this Jacksonville team is
a pretty damn good team. I did not expect them
to be this good. I'll be the first one to
say that. For me, I didn't think that they would
be at this this record at this juncture in the season.
But watching them play against Kansas City, I mean, you're
talking about a team that has borderline been a dynasty team,
(03:49):
if not a dynasty team, and probably we're out there,
maybe they're they're they're they're their strongest with their personnel.
You know, they had everybody back last evening and and
Jacksonville just you know, they were better. I thought they
were just they were better. I mean, if they don't
(04:09):
fumble the ball on on that that one goal line play.
I mean, it was a close game, but I don't
think that it was super close, Like I don't. I
felt like they were the better team.
Speaker 3 (04:22):
You know what's interesting too, let's go back and review
their season so far. They lost at home or I
guess not at home. They're the home team. But Chargers
week one than what was that Mexico City where that
Brazil Brazil, Brazil, Brazil. Uh, they lose the Eagles. The
following week they beat the Giants. It's not really a
(04:43):
great win.
Speaker 5 (04:44):
Uh.
Speaker 3 (04:45):
They beat the Ravens at home handily, but again Ravens
are struggling and then they lose the Jaguars, Like actual
think what you you know, you look at like who
they who? They've lost too, they've beat It's like what
they haven't really beat anyone. Yeah, well and when you
look well, All says, if you look at the rest
of the schedule, I mean, they've got the Raiders on there,
(05:08):
but things pick up. They played Detroit next week, They've
got the Bills Broncos on the road back to back weeks.
Colts who is Jonas pointed out that are in the
AFC South, this division that's tough. At Dallas, Who's I
think exceeded our expectations. Maybe it's been a little bit
better than we thought. Has been a little bit better too.
(05:29):
I mean the only thing they have going for them
is they played the Raiders twice because they're in the
AFC West. They start the Titans of the schedule. But
they've got a tough, tough stretch of games and I
don't know, man, Like I'm looking through the rest of
the schedule. I think getting to nine wins is going
to be really, really tough. Thank I'm just calling how
(05:54):
I see it.
Speaker 4 (05:56):
I think Poteco hurt Jonahs say he hasn't been the same,
han't been the same? CHECKO was cooking last night? What
did I say that one of y'all said he was?
I'm pretty certain it was you that said Proseccochecko. I said,
Pachecko is a is a a really really solid piece
and a weapon for Kansas City.
Speaker 3 (06:17):
What do you mean he was cooking last night? But
what did you do? He was?
Speaker 4 (06:21):
I thought Pachecko was was a very very vital part
of their offense last night.
Speaker 3 (06:26):
I didn't even have forty yards last night. I thought
he was very very effective for the team. Do you
mean serious? I'm being did serious? The way he ran
the ball.
Speaker 4 (06:35):
The confusam hunts Hunt, Kareem Hunt, No, no, I no,
he got touchdowns. But Pacheco was running hard. He was
getting good yards for them and critical points and time
being serious, they did I think you have to run
for one hundred yards for you to be cooking.
Speaker 3 (06:53):
I mean he was playing.
Speaker 4 (06:55):
He did some really good things for them last night,
and he was running really hard.
Speaker 2 (06:58):
I was actually research I was researching this. I was
researching this after you was watching.
Speaker 3 (07:06):
He didn't even have a better average than Hunt last night.
I was watching cooking.
Speaker 2 (07:10):
I was researching this after the game. They called his
they called it the most impact they called it the
most impactful thirty six yards rushing in the history of
the NFL. So to Levar's point, I think he's onto
something there like that was you're being funny? Yeah, the
box score reading. But let's be talking to Checko had
a really good game. He was running really hard. You're
(07:31):
going to doubt my research.
Speaker 3 (07:32):
He was very check He's very very looks like he's
running really hard. That's what I'm saying.
Speaker 4 (07:37):
He was running really hard and he made really hard Yeah,
but he was effective and running really hard. I'm telling
you he made some really good.
Speaker 3 (07:46):
Runs on something. What are you talking about.
Speaker 2 (07:50):
No, he had three catches.
Speaker 4 (07:52):
And they were he was impactful with what he was doing.
I watched the game.
Speaker 3 (07:56):
I'm glad you watched the game.
Speaker 2 (07:57):
I don't know why you're trying to judge my judgment.
I saw what I saw. I'm not going back down
on it no matter.
Speaker 3 (08:03):
If whatever I want. On this hill, I thought, look
good running the ball. I thought he was bizarre. Take.
I've ever heard you like I want to die out
a hill for this is great.
Speaker 2 (08:15):
I'm not going to die on the hill, but I'm
not going back down.
Speaker 3 (08:18):
Off of it.
Speaker 4 (08:20):
I mean, I thought you're Jacko did not look like
a running back that was different from an injury last night.
Speaker 3 (08:26):
He did not.
Speaker 4 (08:27):
He was effective, and he made some some really really
nice plays for them, picked up first downs for them.
Speaker 3 (08:34):
I thought he'd played. He was cooking.
Speaker 2 (08:36):
I'm y'all say what I want. That's what I saw
from you.
Speaker 3 (08:40):
Do you really He had one long run for what
fifteen yards?
Speaker 4 (08:47):
But it was sixteen It was it was his usage
and his integration in the offense.
Speaker 2 (08:52):
He had some critical moments. Okay, do the.
Speaker 3 (08:56):
Bath on that. You take away that one run. Okay,
he averaged put over three yards per attempt.
Speaker 2 (09:04):
Okay, they were a good three yards.
Speaker 3 (09:06):
Yeah. The homes led them in rushing last night. Yeah,
Kareem Hunt was the actual, more impactful running back.
Speaker 4 (09:12):
Those guys benefited from the way Pacheco was playing last night.
Speaker 3 (09:16):
Yes, all right, this is a skit. This is a game.
Speaker 2 (09:20):
Negative about it. It's not. It could have been less
than three yards to carry. Yes, this is you guys
are being gangers right now.
Speaker 3 (09:30):
Yeah, I'm not. I'm not playing anymore whatever you're doing
playing any games. I'm bidding serious. They lost the game.
Speaker 4 (09:38):
I'm not going to sit here and keep like going
back and forth about Pachecko.
Speaker 2 (09:42):
I like the way he looked last night. I like
the way he played.
Speaker 4 (09:45):
He didn't look like he was injured or a different
running back from before his injury.
Speaker 2 (09:51):
I thought he looked I thought he looked good. I
thought he looked good.
Speaker 3 (09:55):
So random? Am random?
Speaker 2 (09:58):
Well?
Speaker 4 (09:58):
When I when I saw him making some of the
plays that he made and was cooking, and my estimation,
I thought about.
Speaker 3 (10:06):
Jonas thirty six yards is cooking. That's something.
Speaker 2 (10:11):
Hey man, I just know what I was seeing when
I was watching, you.
Speaker 3 (10:14):
Were seeing thirty six yards. That's a lot of production.
Speaker 4 (10:18):
I mean, when the production is specified and intentional, it's
it's pretty good.
Speaker 2 (10:24):
I mean, it's about what Saquan's averaging a game this year.
Speaker 4 (10:27):
Well, I mean, y'all trying to be fun nothing anyway, anyway,
I did where'd you rus? Where'd he go to the
Rutgers anyway? You know, there's been a lot of things
said about what Kansas City could or couldn't be, may
(10:49):
or may not be. What they aren't is intimidating. That's
that's just that's ultimately what it comes down to. I
don't really know what Jacksonville is. They play some some
hell of fad defense. They do play defense, and I
know they were highlighting the fact that the secondary is very,
very physical. They are physical. It is a physical group.
(11:11):
I'm not sure what they are. I don't know if
their record is really who they are. I mean, they've aren't,
they've aren't where they are. They're four to one, but
I'm not sure about them. I'm not sure. They're offense
sputtered at times, and I thought that they could have
been They could have been better in some spots. But
(11:34):
I mean, nonetheless, they were able to win the game.
And like I said, I thought they were the better team.
I didn't think that they just pulled the game out
because it did get interesting at the end. I thought
that they were the better team last night over the
Kansas City Chiefs.
Speaker 2 (11:48):
You want to hear Liam Kohane, mister du Baal talk
about the Trevor Lawrence play gets stepped on scrambles, make
something of it and scores the game winning touchdown for
the Jaguars last night. Here was the Jacksonville head coach was.
Speaker 3 (12:06):
Throw it away?
Speaker 6 (12:07):
No, I mean because you know when he got stepped
on and he's coming out of it and you're like,
oh my gosh, throw it away so we could have
another down.
Speaker 3 (12:16):
Man, what an individual effort.
Speaker 6 (12:19):
I mean, obviously a tough moment where I can only
imagine where he was at in that moment on the ground,
But to get up, break what three tackles or whatever
it was, two tackles and shed some dude off and
go running in the end, I mean, that's an unbelievable
individual effort.
Speaker 3 (12:37):
Yeah, we'd love it to.
Speaker 6 (12:38):
Be cleaner, uh, and just making a nice executed play,
But at the end of the day, it's about winning.
And I'm proud of the toughness that he showed at
the end of that game.
Speaker 2 (12:48):
You know, he reminds me of Nick Sirianni. He's got
kind of this quirky confidence. He's not no no, But
my point.
Speaker 3 (12:59):
Is he's not Italian saying well, I.
Speaker 2 (13:02):
Mean, listen, you know, I mean not everybody's perfect, I guess,
but I look at him and I go, that's a
guy who people criticize the hiring because of his duval stuff,
and like, all right, this is off to a bad start,
just like they did the same thing with an experience. Yeah, boy,
this is this is this is off, this is off
to a bad start, and then he goes out there
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and he just does it a little bit differently. He's
getting into, you know, fights after the game with Robert Sala.
He's just he's got this gregarious sort of personality to him.
And I just wonder how many people saw this in
Jacksonville after the Duval comments and just assumed, I'll here
we go, this is another goofball who's going to get
a job, and he's going to be out in two
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to three years and Jacksonville is going to recycle coaches.
He's probably the coach of the year in the NFL
right now, like he's probably.
Speaker 3 (13:51):
I'd probably put Shane Steigen up there too, but I'd
also say this. I mean, what he's doing is tapping
into a roster that's had players in a particular quarterback
that people have felt really good about for a long time.
I mean, this is finally, I guess the staff of
the group that's able to maximize Trevor Lawrence get the
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defense to play at a higher level. I mean that's
what this is. Find a running game. I mean, yeah,
I meant to stay healthy as long as etn stays healthy.
Speaker 4 (14:26):
I think that will be part of it. But it's
found balance. He's definitely created balance with that team, and
and there's a belief you could see like they were
ready to compete again. I don't think this is a
bad Kansas City Chief team. That's the crazy thing about it.
I do not think this is a bad team. I
just don't think anybody's afraid of them anymore. And so
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when they got to play head up head up, I
mean they you know, that was a major, major mistake,
you know, with that interception, a timely mistake with the
ninety nine yard interception return. But I thought that was
more about that kid's will to get to the end
zone than it was anything else, because you could almost
stop them, see if you could live to fight another day,
but he wasn't going to be denied that touchdow LB.
Speaker 3 (15:10):
So I thought last night's uh drive by Trevor Lawrence
to go ahead, like, there's there's something to be said
for that. You know, he hasn't had many of those moments,
and to be able to do that the way he did,
I just I thought that was a big moment for him. Now,
maybe you guys don't see it as much that way.
Speaker 4 (15:31):
But you know, I'm just going to disagree with you,
just to disagree though and what you can because you.
Speaker 3 (15:36):
Already talk about it. But checkout think which was bizarre.
But come on, no, but like think about most most
of them, most teams listen to this. When Kansas City
goes up twenty twenty four, the under two minutes, that
was like, that's been the Steve Spagnola, Kansasity Chiefs, Chris Jones.
They find a way of closing out the game. Yeah,
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like they find a way of closing out that game. Like,
oh no, Kansas City did what they did at twelve
play drive right, they come back, they take the lead.
And by the way, it's not like you need a
fueld goal, you need a touchdown. And I just I
look at you know, look, it obviously help when Butler
h Harrison Bucker kicked it out of bounds, right, so
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that gives them good field position, which gives you a
little momentum right off the bat. But I also go,
all right, you still gotta go down and get a touchdown.
And this like, when's last time you can think of
Trevor Lawrence bringing this team back in a game, and
especially versus a good team.
Speaker 2 (16:33):
The playoff game against the Chargers.
Speaker 3 (16:36):
That's why the last time, which was what two three
years ago?
Speaker 2 (16:38):
Yeah, yeah, it's been a while.
Speaker 3 (16:39):
It might have been longer than that.
Speaker 2 (16:40):
Right, Brandon Staley was the coach. That's all long ago,
that's been Yeah.
Speaker 3 (16:45):
So I just I look at this and I go,
all right, it's a big moment, not just for the
win till LaVar's point about maybe where Kansas City's at,
but just you know the perception of this win, but
also for Trevor Lawrence. It's a big step. A lot
of people questions about what he is, what he's not.
If you can still be the guy everyone thinks. So
for this team to be able to do that, that
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that stood out to me like that that's meaningful. I
think in the bigger picture of the perception of Trevor Lawrence,
if he can be the guy everyone thinks he's going
to be and get the job done, and he did
last night.
Speaker 2 (17:17):
I mean, if ESPN could you know, get the camera
off and when he's about a knuckle.
Speaker 4 (17:22):
Just definitely had him up in his that's a big nose.
I was just put his fingers in his mouth.
Speaker 2 (17:28):
Man.
Speaker 4 (17:29):
I was like please don't eat these, please please, Trevor,
please don't get it out of there.
Speaker 2 (17:34):
Get out of there, please get out of there. Mayda
abort at Who's like? Who's onmerating that?
Speaker 3 (17:44):
Bro? Come on?
Speaker 2 (17:44):
He looked so majestic and stoic. Camera three, stay with it.
Speaker 4 (17:48):
Then his nose just went right on up. His finger
went right.
Speaker 2 (17:52):
On up, man, Like, what a bounce back here for
Trevor Lawrence.
Speaker 3 (17:56):
I started thinking to myself.
Speaker 4 (17:58):
I was like, man, yeah, I used to have a
ton of night and boogers in my nose on the sideline. Man,
that was always a thing, Like I'd always end up
in the camera with boogers in my nose, A booger dude.
Speaker 3 (18:07):
Man.
Speaker 2 (18:08):
So I was always like, I was always mixing with
my nose.
Speaker 4 (18:12):
Oh no, they caught that man in a compromising position, man,
and I didn't like it.
Speaker 2 (18:16):
People still blow snot rockets.
Speaker 3 (18:18):
Absolutely. I still do that now. Yeah what are you
talking about? I did that yesterday?
Speaker 2 (18:23):
So yeah, I'm not judging. It's fine, Well why not
for me?
Speaker 3 (18:26):
But do you not?
Speaker 2 (18:28):
I if I need to, if there's nothing nothing to
blow my nose with, yeah, it's got to happen, you know.
Speaker 4 (18:34):
I'm just curious. I just do it to do it
sometimes because it just makes sense.
Speaker 3 (18:37):
You're you're really not going to raise your son, right,
That's the problem is you asked that question Tank because
you go in the baseball field, you're probably like, oh,
let me get you a tissue. Let me get you
a tissue real quick, hold on, let me, hey, is
anyone got a tissue? We got a tissue out there
for my son.
Speaker 4 (18:55):
Let me go hand brush your yourselot where you stand.
It's not accurate, and make sure I get the little
handheld sweeper so I can make sure your space is.
Speaker 2 (19:03):
I tell him to blow his nose on another kid's jersey. Oh, well,
there you go to When he gets to five, I'll
teach him snot rockets. And when he gets to six,
I'll teach him to you know, if he's got to,
you know, pull some other shenanigans like, there's there's stages here.
There's a process to all this, a right, there's a method.
Speaker 3 (19:20):
Many I'll tell me about parenting. Pow.
Speaker 2 (19:22):
Yeah, don't worry, you'll get there one day.
Speaker 3 (19:25):
Man.
Speaker 4 (19:26):
I got faith, by the way, uh, I got a
son living with a with a girl. So you know,
y'all get on my level. Yeah, y'all, get on my level. Damn,
he lives with his chicken. You know what comes next?
Uh yeah?
Speaker 3 (19:47):
Are you ready for.
Speaker 4 (19:47):
That brou I mean he's responsible, so it won't be
too soon. I don't know that I'm ready to be
a grand day. I'm a great I'm a great uncle.
Though one of my nieces had a kid. Getting old, Man,
I'm getting old.
Speaker 2 (20:05):
You also got a dog that's hopping fences now.
Speaker 4 (20:08):
I can't believe the dude is going to too. It's
to our yard. It's still our yard that he's hopping into,
but there's a low retainer wall where there's little dogs
down there that be barking at him. And I think
he's gotten tired of them barking at him. And now
that he's marking. So now he's gotten that big. He's
going over the gate.
Speaker 2 (20:29):
He'd probably been busting the falls about the skunk baby yelling.
He's been the same since to Skunky.
Speaker 4 (20:34):
I'll tell you that he's been out for blood, got
something to prove, and out for blood. I gotta get
my rep back out there, like we should named him Rambo.
First blood out that bad boy.
Speaker 1 (20:44):
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Dean Blandino. Dean, good morning, Good morning Dean guys.
Speaker 5 (21:48):
You know you know when I when I hear that music,
I'm actually sitting in my in my library right now
from I've got you know, just got a couple of
people around me. One I just kissed my hand. Yeah
you know, I'm just sitting there like Acino and just
ready to go.
Speaker 2 (22:06):
You gotta you had a handgun hidden it behind the toilet,
you know. Yeah, got a horse head and.
Speaker 5 (22:14):
A bit horse said it's never personal, so it's only
don't Yeah, that's that's one way of putting it. Wow,
you the horse, you had the horse ready to go?
Speaker 1 (22:26):
Good job.
Speaker 3 (22:28):
Well we just talked about justin Tucker and as Jonas
would call it the grab lab. So yeah, yep, yep, Dean,
I've got a question from my game. I'm still trying
to figure this out. Do you know where I'm going
with this one? About the the roughing the kicker on
the pat we had with Colts Raiders, which then somehow
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when they instituted the penalty on the kickoff, the Colts
kicked out of bounds and meanwhile the Raiders got penalized.
Can you help explain that whole thing to me?
Speaker 5 (23:00):
So that's one of those deals where a kickoff out
of bounds is the penalty is twenty five the twenty
five yards in the spot of the kick right. So
normally we kick off from the thirty five kickoff out
of bounds, you get the forty which is a great
field position. It doesn't change if the ball is moved
because of a penalty right fifteen yards for the carryover
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on the kickoff or on the pat, it it's still
twenty five yards. So it's actually a smart play, you know,
kicking it out of bounds.
Speaker 3 (23:32):
But the interesting thing was they didn't mean to, like,
I don't think they knew the loophole. I think there's
some confusion. May officials seemed confused too.
Speaker 5 (23:41):
Yeah, I think you know now, I think teams won't
will will figure that out that hey, and look that
that doesn't happen very often. One of the things when
they went to this new kickoff, because remember it used
to be the old kickoff. If you had a touchdown,
like team throws a touchdown pass and there's rough of
the passer, a team could elect to take that on
the kickoff. Now you can't. You have to do it
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on the try because they want to avoid that that
situation moving the kickup or back. But on the pat
there's nowhere else to put it. You have and you
have to enforce personal fouls, and so that's just one
of those weird kind of I don't know if it's
a loop. Well, it's just that's the rule.
Speaker 3 (24:19):
It's a loophole. I mean, that's one that you'd have
to think they'll change in the off season, right, I.
Speaker 5 (24:23):
Think they'll they'll talk about it. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (24:26):
I think it's like the Raiders are sitting there thinking, like,
they just kicked the ball out of bounds and we
get penalized for it.
Speaker 5 (24:31):
Yeah, but they did, but they did foul, right, so
they they there should be some penalty to that because
of the foul. But yeah, I get it, and I
know there was.
Speaker 3 (24:40):
No penalty to it. Like, so what happened was the culture.
Speaker 5 (24:43):
So this takes me back to when Brady was in
the studio and he would come up and we would
argue about rules and stuff, and I'd be like, yeah,
you're right, dude, you're right, and then he'd leave and
I tell the rest of the room he is so
fully you know what.
Speaker 3 (24:56):
Well, the funny thing about this is you're with Tom Brady,
So apparently attention Perreira goes. It'll be on the tape
next week. It'll most like change, it will most likely
change next year, because.
Speaker 5 (25:07):
You're exactly right. You're exactly right, well right, I mean, by.
Speaker 3 (25:13):
The way, I guess I understand now why NFL fish
things so bad. This is what we've got. We've got
guys who can't give me a damn answer.
Speaker 5 (25:21):
We know you had a long weekend. We're just gonna
leave it there.
Speaker 3 (25:26):
But you act like you gave an answer that would
make Raiders fans understand what the hell happened? They lost
field position.
Speaker 5 (25:34):
But didn't they foul on the extra point?
Speaker 3 (25:38):
Yes, but they kept the pat and the instituted on the.
Speaker 5 (25:41):
Kickoffs, they still fouled, so they should be put at
a disadvantage, right, normally you get fifteen yards on that.
That's the only point I get what you're saying.
Speaker 3 (25:50):
I don't know they will at a disadvantage and then
the kick play happens and that's a new play, right.
Speaker 5 (25:53):
And that's a new play? Yeah?
Speaker 3 (25:55):
Sure, yeah, So okay, then how are you penalizing the team?
Then that wasn't in that situation, pedal, Why do they have.
Speaker 5 (26:01):
To That's that's the rule. It's twenty five yards. If
you want to then if you want to change it, okay,
if the balls moved because of a penalty that carries over.
Now now it gets more complicated, and we're going to say, okay,
it's not twenty five yards in that instance, maybe it's okay,
it's we still want to end up at the forty.
So if you kick it out of bounce and then
they could that could be a change. And you say,
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then in that instance, we're still going to be put
at the forty.
Speaker 3 (26:25):
I'd hope you understand what I'm saying though, is they
kicked it out of bounds.
Speaker 5 (26:27):
And not on that play they fouled, and then they
were they were putting the rewards found and they were
put in worse to the field position.
Speaker 3 (26:38):
Yep, well the Colts found, but they were a reward
for it. Basically is how I put it simply, I
got it.
Speaker 5 (26:44):
I got it.
Speaker 3 (26:45):
I will I got it.
Speaker 5 (26:46):
My godfather, I will, I got it. I'll send them
over to you know, South Florida.
Speaker 2 (26:50):
But anyway, Dean I had something that probably won't make
Raider fans happy either. So last night the Chiefs pull
off I guess a legal pick play near the goal
line on the Travis Kelce touchdown, which that was crazy. Well,
they threw the flag and all the Chiefs ran over
to let them know no, no, no, no, no, no, no, that was
within the rules. It was the foot yard, it was
the But you know, I think the rules analysts last
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night was looking at it saying, yeah, I probably would
have thrown the flag there and kept it. That should
have been an illegal pick play. The narrative surrounding the
maybe that the Chiefs get away with more than other
teams do, or the officiate like, do you guys hear that?
And is there an emphasis like, hey, make sure we're
calling this the right way, because there's already a narrative
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out there publicly that one team gets the benefit of
the doubt over others in the NFL.
Speaker 5 (27:39):
Yeah, I think, Look, officials are people, and they and
they not that they're trying to tell officials stay up
for social media state, but they're not. They They live,
they work, they do different things, They see these things
that everybody talks about. It's not they're not immune to it.
But it doesn't. We never said, hey, oh my gosh,
the t you know, the Patriot to winning all these
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super Bowls, so the Chiefs are winning. We got to
make sure that we were extra careful during those games.
It's every game, right, there's so much scrutiny. There's the
microscope is on the officiating all the time. So they
just want to get it right. I mean, that's to play.
It was close. The rule is one yard right, you
can legally pick within a yard of the line of
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scrimmage official through the flag. They talked about it. It's
where the contact occurs. I thought they should have left
the flag down. But you know, as far as narratives go,
that they're just trying to get the plays right and
they're not worried about you know which teams and over time,
and there's been studies that ESPN just did a deal
where they looked at the last however many years twenty
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years at looking at penalties and the chiefs weren't on
the on the over that long a period. They it
wasn't like the chiefs were getting more calls than their
opponents or less calls. It tends to even out over time.
But the officials are just trying to go out and
do the best they can, and they're not worried about
narratives that are going out that around around the you
know the NFL.
Speaker 4 (29:04):
Dean, I'm gonna switch gears on you. And and this
is you know, I'm a defender. It pains me to
have to watch the game be called the way that
it is.
Speaker 3 (29:18):
The protection of the quarterbacks.
Speaker 4 (29:19):
Can we get to a point on where we just say,
maybe you tag off on the quarterback, maybe you grab
a flag. I know we're promoting flag football. I mean,
but at some point when you see what what happened
with with with Granderson in that Saints Giants game, Uh,
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Cam Jordan went off about it. A lot of guys
were incensed about it. How do you justify that play?
Even just some of the I've seen guys make make
hits on the quarterback, and even the way they are
allowed or able to fall is now being scrutinized very
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very closely. But this one was so egregious. Can can
you give some clarity on the Carl Grandis and uh,
you know this sack on on the court on dark
that one.
Speaker 5 (30:16):
Look, it's the only justification is that it happened fast.
The official looks at it and and and in in
their judgment thought it was a foul. It's not right,
It's just and we see some of these hits and
it's become increasingly it's more difficult to tackle the quarterback
today than it's ever been because, like you said, there's
you can't hit. You can't go to the headneck area,
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and they're going to lean toward when it's close. It's
a foul. You can't go to the knee area below
you can when now when you even tackle the quarterback,
you have to get your body off to the side,
which which you know better than me. That's hard, always
easy to do exactly exactly.
Speaker 3 (30:55):
You got to figure out how to.
Speaker 5 (30:57):
Try to tackle like Josh Allen or or some of
these big quarterbacks and get them on the ground. It's
going to be hard to adjust your body. So I
think the league, the reality is the quarterback position does
put that player in a defenseless posture. Right, you focus
the downfield, so we get that part of it. It
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is right. We look at what's happening in Baltimore with
Lamar out, look at what happens when when a quarterback
is out. Well, you know that this is such an
important position to the to the health of this game.
But I think we've gone overboard in some instances. I
really do. And that's and I don't think the league
is going to back down. I think they say, okay, well,
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well we'll live with that. You know, a handful of
bad calls if it keeps our quarterbacks in the game.
But it's tough because that's a you know, it didn't
affect that game, but it could, and that that's a
you know, you want to go to your officials and
go what did you see? What what did you you know?
And then just correct that going forward because it just
wasn't a good call.
Speaker 8 (31:57):
Uh.
Speaker 3 (31:57):
The other play, I think a lot of fans, at
least on the Jacksonville Soyer frustrated by was the non
defensive PI call h Parker Washington who got blown up
by the Casey defender. Did you just take me through
what the officials like, seeing how they go about trying
to determine, you know, defensive pass interference in that case
or not.
Speaker 1 (32:14):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (32:14):
I mean that's a tough one because it all happens
so quickly. It's a bang bang play. And you know
we just talked about like that pick play with on
the Kelsey touchdown. Okay, well, is the receiver initiating the contact?
Is the defender initiating the contact? Isn't just a collision
because of the route and the defender going to play
the ball. So there's a lot happening and it's such
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a quick, a quick short window. So look, yes, when
you watch it on film, he makes contact before the
ball arrives, looks like he initiates it. It's it's a foul,
but you know in real time, and then you have
multiple officials. Each receiver at at the snap has one official.
Every eligible receiver has one official that starts with that
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receiver right, and then and then depending on the routes
and depending on on how the players run, there could
be switches and they go they go man the zone
and then ball. In terms of the officiating part of it,
and uh and so it's tough and you have different
angles from different for different officials positions. So not again
not condoning that that oh they missed it, and it's
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it's we got to get that call right. But still
it's it's it's easy to watch it on tape and go, well,
that's a foul versus live in real time, seen it
the first time from different angles, different officials, and becomes
you know, it's a tougher play to officiate.
Speaker 4 (33:36):
Dane, I hate to do this and stay on this
whole theme of us defenders are are villainized and in
the way you guys call call games and stuff like that,
and how you will. But I'm going to ask this,
I will never understand. And this happened to me one time.
I remember I was trying to tackle Emmitt Smith, and
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EMMITTT Smith grabbed me by my face mask, and so
I returned to favor and grabbed him by his and
we both went down to the ground. I got a
fifteen yard penalty for a face mask.
Speaker 2 (34:07):
Why is it?
Speaker 4 (34:09):
Why is it that a stiff arm is not the
same thing as a face mask? Why is there a
differentiation between a guy that gets his Like, Okay, you're
grabbing me the stiff army and you've grabbed my face mask. Now, granted,
I know that the rules is that they should throw
the flag, but you and I both know the same
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type of action you see from a running back or
a quarterback in their hand going to the face of
a defender. If the defender does that to an offensive player,
they get a flag that's automatic.
Speaker 3 (34:42):
Why is that?
Speaker 5 (34:43):
Yeah, I mean, you're absolutely right in that in that
the rule is the same for both. The stiff farmer
is legal, but if you grab the mask of the defender,
that should be called. It doesn't get called as much
as it happens, whereas the defender, so it's almost ninety
nine percent of the time that's going to get called.
And and this has been a discussion topic for the
Competition Committee, where you know, do you do you outlaw
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the stiff farm because even right hands to the face,
if you go if a stiff farm, that same type
of action happens somewhere else. If it's an offensive lineman
block and the defensive lineman or vice versa with the
hands up to the that gets called hands to the face.
The stiff arm is legal. And the theory always was,
at least the Competition Committee and the conversation was that
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the ball carrier, the runners, has to have an ability
to protect themselves to ward off, to try to to
try to break tackles. So they didn't want to put
that ball carrier at.
Speaker 4 (35:39):
But the defender doesn't have the right to do the
same thing to protect themselves.
Speaker 5 (35:43):
No, And that's and that is that is we we
talk about offensive and defensive balance, but the reality is
that the scales are always tipped. They're going to be
tipped to the offense. And that's one of those deals
where because we would see we'd see the stiff arm,
and they're plays where instead of grabbing the mask, the
defender just grabs whatever they can and they end up
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with a horse callar and the horse collar gets called
and they don't call the mask. So it's it's tough.
I don't think I don't have a great answer. I
don't think the competition Committe has a great answer. I
think they keep the stiff arming the game other than
the officials have to call have to call it on
the runner when when he does grab the mask. But
you know that that doesn't get called as awesome like
I said, as it should.
Speaker 2 (36:26):
Dean Blandino, Fox Sports, NFL College Football rules Analyst, Always
a good time here on a Tuesday morning, Dean, hell
of a job. We'll do it again next week. Thanks you, Brady.
Speaker 5 (36:38):
I still love you.
Speaker 3 (36:39):
I love you, Dean. I wait to watch the video
where you gotta, you know, kind of run everything.
Speaker 5 (36:43):
Back if you I'm doing the video this week, so
and that play will not be on there, so don't worry.
Speaker 3 (36:48):
Well, here's the thing I don't understand is, like we
have you guys there as a resource. Pereiro is nowhere
to be found, and obviously you're with the DA crew,
so it's like I'm like, I rode An Island here,
try to figure this out. Wow, all right, No, you
just stated how it is. Man. I'm sorry. You can't
handle the truth.
Speaker 5 (37:05):
You can now we're onto. Now we're onto fe good men.
Speaker 2 (37:08):
Wow, you can't handle the truth.
Speaker 5 (37:13):
All right, later guys,
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