October 13, 2025 • 43 mins
Today on 2 Pros and a Cup of Joe, the guys react to James Franklin being let go by Penn State, LaVar gives his thoughts on the situation and the future of the program & CBS Sports Senior NFL Columnist Pete Prisco joins the show!
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Speaker 3 (01:09):
Good morning, Hi, yep, yep, hey var Hi guys, Somber
Somber morning, Mixed Emotions. You know you want to see
excitement for your program. You want to see your program
have success. And everybody knows it's out there now, it's
send the news, It's made its rounds. Everybody's talking about it.
Speaker 4 (01:33):
You know.
Speaker 3 (01:35):
Coach Franklin was let go. I get it, I get
I get It's a big conversation.
Speaker 2 (01:42):
I mean, I'll tell you what else is big? That
forty nine million he's getting to walk away second biggest
buy out in college football history next to Jimbo.
Speaker 3 (01:50):
How about that? So what is y'all? What are y'all's
take on it? Give me y'all's opinion on it?
Speaker 5 (01:57):
Oh? All right?
Speaker 6 (01:58):
Yeah, I mean I think you know how I feel
because I got pretty fired up after the loss to UCLA,
like I was the Oregon game. I mean, what's wild
about that is they're up a touchdown in overtime. I mean,
think about how fast college football moves. I'm we're literally
(02:20):
talking like fifteen sixteen days ago, Penn State was up
a touchdown and overtime versus Organ they win that game.
They maybe I don't know, number one in the country,
maybe they're still sitting at two or three. But how
different the last sixteen days have gone and so I
(02:42):
kind of look back at just like I was fired
up obviously, because I felt like this program, for whatever reason,
has hit a ceiling. With James Franklin, there's just too
much talent there. They've invested heavily Pack Kraft athletic director,
and I know you know LeVar, but I'm not sure
listeners understand. They have put a ton of money into everything,
(03:05):
everything like nil and the roster retention, roster construction.
Speaker 5 (03:10):
Obviously Jim Knowles.
Speaker 6 (03:11):
Like prying away one of the best defensive coordinators from
Ohio State to them hiring Andy Kodnicki a couple of
years ago is one of the bright offensive minds and
paying them handsomely, and it just has not come.
Speaker 5 (03:25):
Together and worked.
Speaker 6 (03:27):
But I think what flies under the radar when we
talk about how fast college football can change is even
what's happened to UCLA. They've won the last two weeks.
They just drum Michigan State in East Lansing. You know,
a change, a head coach, a changing coordinator, and all
of a sudden, sudden Maye Jerry new new Heuisal is
like the new young Genius because that team is playing
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entirely different than it did the first half the season,
and you look at Northwestern and you look at what
David Brown has built. And I'm not trying to make
an excuse for Penn State.
Speaker 5 (03:58):
I'm not.
Speaker 6 (04:00):
But I also think if you go back, because I
was there for Northwestern Oregon, it was I mean Oregon
for the most part controlled that game.
Speaker 5 (04:08):
But you saw flaws, Like you saw.
Speaker 6 (04:11):
The physicality of Northwestern, you saw them be able to
run the football against them, kind of like all right,
like if there's another team that's got a little more
complete team, they might be able to you know, attack
organ and do some stuff like Indiana did this past week.
So I just I think it's wild to think about
how we can talk about a team or look at
a team and a coach and like fifteen sixteen days later,
(04:35):
he's fired, I mean national championship, and one end of
the mouth, the next one we're saying he's fired. And
then meanwhile, like two other teams who've gotten a lot
better are are kind of like flying under the radar,
and they don't get us quite as much credit because
we looking at more as a collapse as opposed to
maybe this is just the parody of college football, Like
(04:55):
maybe this is just the world we're going to live
in now where it's closer to the NFL where I
watched the Carolina Panthers beat the Cowboys yesterday. I go, man,
that was weird. But I guess the Panthers are getting better,
and I guess the Cowboys, who are probably a good team,
maybe even a playoff team, they can have these these
moments from time to time. Maybe that's college football.
Speaker 4 (05:16):
Now.
Speaker 2 (05:17):
My thought was LeVar was right. I think that you
kind of alluded to this after the Oregon game, but
you sensed something on the sideline the very next game
against UCLA, and I think you knew that the end
was near. That's what I think because when we talked about, hey,
(05:40):
you know, and you were obviously distraught about what happened
with Oregon, and we were telling y'all, UCLA is going
to but there were there were reservations, You were hesitant there.
I think maybe there was a sense of just the
despair after the Oregon loss, but then being at the
Rose Bowl amongst.
Speaker 4 (05:56):
Them different, That was a different feeling after that game.
Speaker 2 (05:59):
Yeah, amongst like the fifteen sixteen people that were there.
You then came on the air and we're talking about
like when we were mentioning Northwestern, like, I don't know, man,
and I think you sensed from the sideline maybe from
the players there this is heading.
Speaker 3 (06:16):
Bad and it's Hadden bad in a hurry, and that's
I think that's the sad part of it all. I mean, ultimately,
you got to understand that this is a business, and
it's a production business, and if you don't produce, depending
on how you your lack of production looks will ultimately
(06:37):
probably serve as to how the situation is handled. And
at what point in time you're at not producing. You know,
you're in year what is it twelve? I believe he's
in year twelve, eleven or twelve. I want to say
it's I think it's twelve. He was not a pat
(06:57):
Craft higher, So there's that part of it. But he
has had such a successful run and such a successful
tenure as the head coach of Penn State. You know,
I gave a shout out to coach on social yesterday
and basically just saying, look, people may forget what James
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Franklin took over. He took over a program that was
in shambles. I mean, we didn't get the death penalty,
but the way we self imposed on ourselves, it might
as well have been a death penalty. And we're still
trying to figure out things and climb out of what
took place, you know, from that time, still trying to
(07:46):
figure it out. James Franklin comes in and he pumped
life back into that program where I don't know too
many coaches that would have been able to come in
take on the challenges that he had to take on
in order to have any level of success, let alone
(08:12):
him ending up winning a Big Ten championship, him ending
up making it into the College Football Playoff, him ending
up being one game away from and some would say
one play away a couple plays away from possibly being
in the national championship game.
Speaker 4 (08:30):
I think all of those things are.
Speaker 3 (08:34):
Things that you got to look at Coach Franklin, and
whether you hated him or you loved him as a
Penn State fan, I think the one thing that either
you have to you know, kind of acknowledge or one
of the things you have to take into consideration even
if you didn't like him as a coach, is that
(08:55):
he did do an excellent job of recruiting. He did
do an excellent job of building our program when it
needed rebuilt, and I think a lot of people tend
to forget that. Now granted you're so far removed from
the beginning that at this point in time you have
to show that you have, you know, this team going
(09:17):
in the right direction. And as Q mentioned, you know
the investment, like said, you needed a defense coordinator when
when Tom Allen, you know, opted out and rolled out.
You know, you bring in the highest paid defense coordinator
in Jim Knowles, who everybody says is the best in
the business and he has been everything but that for
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this team. You bring in receivers. We said we were
lacking receiver debt, we were lacking receiver talent, which I
didn't believe that. I thought some of the guys that
ended up leaving in the portal, I thought they were
pretty good ball players. But that was nonetheless something that
was cited, and they went out and got more receivers
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and what we're considered to be playmaking receivers. I mean,
Penya was a big time player for Syracuse last year.
Kyron Hudson was a big time player for USC last year.
Speaker 4 (10:17):
So you go out and you.
Speaker 3 (10:19):
Feel those positions when you ask for when you start
asking for things, and you're saying, these are the only
things we need along with all of the guys that
are coming back to have a complete team, and this
is where you're at at this point in the season.
I think it is safe to say losing three in
a row, the way it looked after the UCLA game,
(10:42):
it was like, this could be the end. Then you
go and you lose a home game to Northwestern. No playoffs,
obviously the playoff pitcher, that window is closed for this season.
So I feel like, with Pat Crabb being as aggressive
as he is as our ad, I think it was
a decision that he made and felt it was proper
(11:04):
based upon the current given, you know, set of circumstances
that the team finds themselves in right now. They it
just did not look like coach was himself after the
UCLA game. Didn't seem like he was himself all the
way for the Northwestern game. The players follow suit. They
don't seem they just do not seem to be believers.
(11:29):
It just doesn't seem like it's a team of believers
at this point.
Speaker 4 (11:32):
So he was shook. Two. Oh yeah, I believe, so.
Speaker 3 (11:36):
Respect all due respect, I believe I believe it was
starting to get the coach too, and listen, when you
have a lot of change at your coordinators and your positions,
like you know, Jay One went to Notre Dame this
past year, you continue to lose really really fine coaches
that insulate you and make things better are for you
(12:00):
as a coach, Like you got to think about how
important your supporting cast of coaches are because that's the
communication line, that the lifeline that keeps you connected to
your players and to the pulse of what everybody is feeling.
And I think if you continue to change them over
and over and over and over again, eventually you just
(12:22):
have guys who are working for you. You kind of
lose that family bond. You know, you've been through seasons
and seasons and seasons together. There are very few guys
that have stayed. Terry Smith, the guy who's taken over,
he's not only a Penn Stater, but he has been
there with James, you know, from the start. So but
there's very few of those guys left. So it's a
tough situation. And I feel bad sentimentally speaking for for
(12:46):
coach Franklin. But at the same time, it's a business
and and Pat Craft is aggressive and wanting to be
a sports power and football is at the top of
the list of being a sports power at Penn State.
And he's going to do what he's you know, task
to do, and he's going to make the decisions that
he feel is going to best, uh put put Penn
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State athletics, put Penn State football in the best situation.
So while it's tough, you know, tough pill to swallow
because that's my guy, really really full with coach Franklin,
but you know, at the same time, it's a business,
you know, all right, who's next?
Speaker 2 (13:22):
All right, I've seen a list of candidates.
Speaker 5 (13:24):
I saw trend as the head coach, y head.
Speaker 2 (13:28):
Coach at Penn State.
Speaker 4 (13:29):
Yeah, I saw, you know.
Speaker 6 (13:34):
And then by the way, I'm not laughing about that
for any of the reason other than I saw a
post that said, now that Penn State pulled the trigger
on firing James Franklin with this big of a buyout,
it will open up the floodgates for other schools to say, Okay,
that's acceptable, we'll do it too. And I've tried to
explain to people, like most schools will finance this because
(13:58):
to LaVar's point, they understand when you bring in this
sense of hope and optimism, it will completely transform you know,
everything and the energy around that university and being able
to help again provide hope again and optimism again for
ticket sales and everything else that you're looking to drive revenue,
(14:19):
which is what these schools are looking to do at
this point. It's one of the reasons why they keep
talking to different pension funds and trying to bring in
private equity to bring in an infusion of capital so
they don't have to worry about, you know, some of
the concerns they have about, well, should we fire our coach,
because if we do well, that fifty million dollars that
we're buying them out, it could be spent on our roster,
(14:39):
it could be spent on other things for athletics to
help keep you know, the next coach competitive. Now that's
always a big concern, but in this case, you know,
I think they looked at it instead just it's more
important to start this process now and move forward and
we'll figure out financially how to get it done. But really,
like again looking at professional sports for franchises because.
Speaker 5 (15:01):
They deal with this all the time.
Speaker 6 (15:02):
You know, the NFL moves on from coaches after about
two years sometimes and the whole point is like, well,
we got a top draft pick, we got a new
head coach. Come by, come come watch our team, you know,
come back to the stands.
Speaker 5 (15:14):
We're different. It's not like two years ago. It's not
like last year. Like that's what they preach.
Speaker 6 (15:19):
And it's kind of hitting college football a bit too
with how they move about doing all this. But I
do think you'll see a lot more start to come
along as well, where schools are going to want to
try to find their guy and prepare themselves for that
transfer portal window come January, the new window they've created,
(15:42):
and then obviously early signing period in December and be
able to get recruiting going and everything else. I think
that's what schools have kind of settled on now. Is
the timing of it.
Speaker 7 (15:50):
Is don't wait, because if you wait now, you're gonna
get caught in trying to figure out who your guy
is while trying to you know, retain your roster while
trying to recruit a new roster.
Speaker 5 (16:01):
And it's just too hard to do.
Speaker 3 (16:02):
There's a lot of moving parts, a lot of guys decommitted,
like a ton of guys are de committing. So if
you like to your point, if you're going to if
you're going to start this process and you have a
conviction to go in a different direction, then you might
as well do it, because you're going to have to
figure out how you're going to maintain your roster, how
(16:26):
you're going to continue to be successful in the recruiting game.
You cannot I can't see you having any success with major,
major recruits if you can't even really plan on using
the portal, if you don't.
Speaker 4 (16:45):
Have a coach, you got to have a coach.
Speaker 3 (16:49):
So so I I guess I look at it, and
I don't know the process of it all I'm about
to learn. But it'll be interesting to see how it
all plays out based upon the given scenarios of what's
taking place.
Speaker 2 (17:08):
Signetti coming to town, yeah, Matt Rule coming to town.
Maybe an opportunity for the fan base there to try
and sell the program on both those guys when they
come to town. Probably a lot of signage out there, you know,
I would love to have you, especially Matt Rule, a
former teammate of yours. I mean, there's a there's some
(17:31):
options out there. I saw Manny Diaz. His name be
mentioned Lane Kiffin as well too. Some people have thrown
that out. I think it was Sports Illustrated also mentioned
Mike Tomlin. I don't think that's that that's likely, but
it's an attractive gig. It's a big time gig.
Speaker 4 (17:49):
Oh. I mean, I'd like to believe, so, I like
to believe.
Speaker 8 (17:53):
So.
Speaker 3 (17:53):
I mean, it's it's proven. And again, like I said,
it was not all bad. I mean, for what it's worth,
coaching is coaching. If you're lucky. I mean, I mean
when I say lucky, lucky, lucky, you coach your entire
career at one place. If you're super super, super lucky,
beyond belief, you coach for a long time, a long tenure,
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and you don't get fired. But I think we all
know that's one of the most turbulent job categories that
you could ever go in. You know, I would never
want to be in that situation, at least right now.
I would never want to be in a situation where
like Matt, you brought up Matt Ruhle, Like, Okay, Matt coaches,
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he's been fired, he comes to Penn State. There's a
strong possibility even if he wins a lot. Even if
he goes to a national championship game, even if he
wins a national championship game, there's going to come a
moment in time where there's not enough production and the
people that once cheer for him as a player and
(19:02):
chair for him as a coach and he won national
titles and this, that and the other, they're going to
be booing them.
Speaker 2 (19:08):
Are you going to be part of the hiring process,
because if so, let us know some intel us again.
Speaker 3 (19:14):
You know, you know, I'll talk to you guys offline.
I've already talked to Q offline. I'll talk to you
guys offline. But you know, I'm not going to get
into like the details of what my involvement is. You know,
obviously I love my university. I invest a lot in
my university and have been a part of building solutions
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and continuing to move move our program and our community forward.
So you know, there's certain parts of conversations I will
not be able to partake in as it applies to
this process.
Speaker 4 (19:51):
So just the reality of it, now, are you.
Speaker 5 (19:59):
I have to ask this question? Was I can't?
Speaker 6 (20:01):
I can't honestly think of another situation that was kind
of a bigger.
Speaker 3 (20:09):
I just call it out, was a bigger flop.
Speaker 6 (20:12):
Like like I felt like the hype around Penn State
this year was very similar to like what Michigan did
with their guys to come back and try to take
a shot at and running a national championship, what Ohio
State did, and it was like Penn State was in
that category. Like again, I don't know that people fully
understand the investment that they made in every capacity into
(20:36):
this team, Like this is probably one of the bigger
and I look and I know Texas who've got a
good win versus Oklahoma this weekend, they haven't been as
good as we thought this season. Clemson's in that category two.
But for Penn State, I mean, the question was like
if not now, then when before the season, because of
(20:57):
all the talent, They've got a returning quarterback, one of
the best defensive minds they got in the off season,
right like there again, an offensive coordinator that's viewed very
well in the college football community.
Speaker 5 (21:09):
Andy Kolnikki, I just pretty wild, man.
Speaker 6 (21:15):
It's it's pretty wild when you really think back to
how the season started and like where we're at or
not that deep into the season.
Speaker 3 (21:22):
That's the crazy part of it, right, the crazy part
of it is that we're not that deep into the
season and yet we know the season is over.
Speaker 2 (21:33):
The season's over, I mean, and also the Drew Holler news, and.
Speaker 3 (21:37):
I mean like literally, like you ended the game with
a season ending injury, like injury to insult. Then your
backup comes in and gets his spirit and his soul smoked.
Speaker 4 (21:52):
Knock the hell out of him.
Speaker 5 (21:54):
He lose the game, he got smoked.
Speaker 3 (21:57):
I mean, this was like supposed to be a oh
get Drew hour Are out, Get Drew Alerer out, all right,
that's what you want, that's what we And that was
the big moment. That was the big reveal. I don't
think so. I don't think so. Yeah it was, you know,
(22:18):
yes it is, of uh it is. It has to
be the biggest flop ever just because of the way
you fell.
Speaker 4 (22:26):
Into the u c l A game.
Speaker 3 (22:28):
I think the u c l A loss made this
put that put it in the category of biggest flop.
I mean, if we're just being honest, Yeah, you moved
to an unranked team and your top ten team in
this day and age, like you said, with the investment,
there's no way around that.
Speaker 5 (22:47):
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Speaker 8 (24:38):
Good morning, what's up, guys. How are you hi, Pete?
Speaker 6 (24:42):
Pete?
Speaker 4 (24:42):
How you doing? Pete?
Speaker 8 (24:44):
Better than James Franklin?
Speaker 4 (24:45):
Oh yeah yeah.
Speaker 8 (24:53):
By the way, By the way, you guys are right.
I turned yesterday. Somebody somebody said, oh James Franklin got fired.
Im good. You can take two million of the shift
million and go put it in a room and then
dive in it. That's what I would do.
Speaker 3 (25:05):
Yeah, he didn't lose, he just lost. Yeah, you know,
but it was a good track, Pete, great tray.
Speaker 4 (25:13):
How did they know? How did your team do yesterday?
Speaker 8 (25:16):
They stink? They stink. They got blown, they got physically
they got physically malled, and their quarterback didn't show up
because they got hurt. But you know what, even if
he had played, they still would have gotten malled. They're
not good. They're not They're not big enough. They're not
physically big enough. And by the way, Texas techle rock
them this week.
Speaker 6 (25:34):
Well, I was going to say we actually were potentially
going to be out in Tempe for the College Football Show,
our big new kickoff, But because of that loss, I
think they thought that's maybe not a good sign, could
be a bad deal going out there, So we're going elsewhere.
But I want to know we were trying to make
our way to Temple. I was looking forward to it, Pete,
I be great. We're going to Provo. So b Yu
(25:56):
Utah Top twenty five matchups obviously change b YU undefeated.
Speaker 8 (26:02):
Yeah, yeah, b Yu byu rallied against Arizona the other night.
They won that. So look, look as U is what
they are, Penn State is what they are, and probably
just you know who they are. I mean, there's the
problem with college football is I don't think there are
any great teams.
Speaker 4 (26:21):
Ohio State, We'll see, we'll see.
Speaker 8 (26:25):
I mean, I'll tell you what Brady Texas Tech is
damn good. I mean that they are proof that you
can go out and buy whatever you need to doing
you can win in college football. Right.
Speaker 6 (26:34):
Well, okay, but the quarterback got hurt, so we'll see
how that impacts them moving forward. And they lost their
d tackle too. I don't know how long if he's
out for the season or what the deal is. So
one of those players you're referring to that got bought
is no longer.
Speaker 4 (26:47):
Going to be there.
Speaker 8 (26:47):
So yeah, I mean that's what college football isn't nowadays, right.
Speaker 5 (26:54):
So how is that any different from the NFL PE?
What's free agency?
Speaker 8 (26:59):
What they Well, they have a cap and yeah, and
there's a.
Speaker 6 (27:02):
Cap too, that's called the house NCA settlement, so they
roughly can try of figure out how much they want
to allocate, you know, towards the roster. In that regard,
if there's collective involvement, there has to be. But even
that's been subject to scrutiny because of the CSC and
all that.
Speaker 8 (27:15):
So there's kind of like a solid do you get
a four year If you get a four year contract,
you're bound to it by four years and unless the
team releases, you're correct, and college football you can go
jumping for wherever you want to.
Speaker 5 (27:26):
Well, they make these kids sign contracts too, now.
Speaker 8 (27:29):
But Brady, can't they transfer every other year every year
if they want to.
Speaker 5 (27:33):
They could, but they would not get the monies that
are in that contract.
Speaker 8 (27:37):
So like what you're saying is they go somewhere else
and get the money.
Speaker 6 (27:41):
Well, yeah, but that's then how the setup is. If
they sign a two to three or four you do
base Pete. By the way, eighty percent of the NFL's
on one year contracts.
Speaker 8 (27:51):
No, I get that, Brady, But the bottom line is
you can't if you can't just jump from team to
team like you can in college football, can You're not?
Speaker 9 (27:58):
No.
Speaker 6 (27:58):
But someone will say that's actually more player empowerment, Like
that's actually better for the players. Now, you don't talk
from that perspective because you hate players and you like
to talk from. Hang, Petere Prisco, I'm part of the ownership.
I don't these guys. These guys grow on trees. These
running backs grow on.
Speaker 4 (28:14):
All be playing, on all be playing.
Speaker 8 (28:19):
And I was right.
Speaker 6 (28:21):
So Petere Prisco, I relate better to billionaires than millionaires.
Speaker 8 (28:28):
That's not true. That's not true. Not true.
Speaker 5 (28:32):
One for you.
Speaker 4 (28:33):
Beg in sensitive.
Speaker 2 (28:34):
Hey, Pete, I got one for you. Are the Jets
even worse than you thought?
Speaker 8 (28:40):
Yes, yes they are. I mean when you think Aaron Glenn,
who is a former player and has a, you know,
an attitude about him and a fightiness about him, would
go in and still a toughness on the defense, right,
you figured at least that, Well, they don't tackle very well,
and they did play better yesterday on defense. I'll give
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him that. Offensively, we went into the season thinking what
we saw on Sunday is what we've seen most of
the season. They're not good on offense, but they put
a lot of assets into an offensive line that allowed
their quarterback to get sacked nine times on Sunday nine.
And then at the end of the half, what in
the hell is that man doing? They fake a punt
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on fourth down to get a first down. Okay, at
the end of the half, Well, why don't you go
from there to try and get something? He does nothing
and allows the clock to run out, and he's getting
yelled out by his players. So I wonder, you know,
sometimes you're a coordinator, sometimes you don't know if the
guy's a head coach, Aaron Glenn has to learn how
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to be a head coach. You have to be involved
in game management to the point where you understand the
mechanism of the clock management and the understanding of.
Speaker 1 (29:55):
What you do.
Speaker 8 (29:56):
Why would you fake that field goal if you're not
going to go from there? What's the rationale? You didn't
want to give him the ball back? What does that mean?
I don't get it. So I just think that, yeah,
they're a mess, and they're a disaster, and they have
guys that haven't played close to expectations, and I think
it's all reflection of the entire process. But I think
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it's a reflection of the coach. Now. Having said all that,
he doesn't deserve to be fired. Right now, people are
saying that, give me a break, let's play out the
season and see how this thing goes. But the reality is,
right now, it's if you had to grade the Jets
and the coaching and everything that goes into it. It's
a big, giant, fat ass.
Speaker 6 (30:35):
Let's talk about a team that maybe is exceeding our expectations,
and that's the Pittsburgh Steelers, the best team in the
AFC North.
Speaker 5 (30:41):
They look to be a team that might be the
third best team in the AFC? Is that fair to say, Pete?
Speaker 8 (30:48):
Do we know? Do we know? I mean that's the
thing about when we talked about this last night. Do
we know if the Colts and or the Steelers are
any good yet? I mean, if you really.
Speaker 6 (31:00):
Say that though, dude, like the Colts might be, they
shoul probably should be undefeated if you really think about it.
Speaker 8 (31:05):
Okay, and I'm gonna go through the Colts schedule. Beat
the beat the Dolphins who are dreadful, Beat the Titans
who are dreadful. Beat the Raiders who are dreadful. Now okay.
Then they beat the Cardinals without their starting quarterback. Now,
the other guy might out play them yesterday, but he
still beat them without their starting quarterback and the wide
receiver went out in the first quarter.
Speaker 5 (31:25):
They beat a Broncos team that I think you would
would would agree is better.
Speaker 8 (31:28):
Than the Broncos can't score. I mean, the Broncos have
offensive issues right now, and then they and then they
lost the Rams in the game they probably in a
game they probably should have won. But so you flip
those games, but we really don't know. Then you go
to the Steelers. Do we know how good they are?
Look at their schedule? What they beat, the Jets, the Browns.
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Who's the other one they beat?
Speaker 5 (31:51):
I mean they Here's here's the general point. Pete is like,
who's good?
Speaker 6 (31:55):
Then the AFC, because you've got Buffalo, You've got Indie,
and you'd say case.
Speaker 5 (31:59):
But the records, so like like who are you like
hanging your hat on?
Speaker 4 (32:03):
Who is good?
Speaker 8 (32:05):
That's that's part of the problem is I don't think
we know if anybody's any good. I say it every
time this year. Is anybody any good? We'll know more
about it. Indy goes to the play the Chargers next
week at the Chargers. That's gonna be a tough game.
They win that game, we'll start believing in them a
little bit. Okay, the Steelers are gonna I mean, unless
Lamar Jackson can come back and be Lamar Jackson, they're
gonna run away with that division. I mean, if Lamar
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Jackson has a ham and you guys know better than
me because you played, you played in the league. If
you have a hamstring injury and Mike Evans always comes
back from hamstring injuries and re injures them, can you
be the same guy three weeks.
Speaker 4 (32:38):
Out three weeks out from Uh? It just depends on
how serious the hamstring injury.
Speaker 8 (32:44):
One. It's one that made them miss two games already,
so it's probably pretty serious, right.
Speaker 3 (32:48):
It depends, because a really serious hamstring injury, you're talking months,
like it takes a real like you can't even barely
hardly walk when you have a quad pool or a
hamstring pool. So it might not be as crazy bad
as it may seem, even though he's missing time. Two
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weeks time isn't a crazy amount of time for a
hamstring injury if it isn't a serious one. So if
he's coming back, if he's making an attempt to come
back right now and it's been like less than a month,
I would say it's not as severe as it maybe
some people may have made it.
Speaker 8 (33:28):
Sound we'll be limited, will be limiting. That's the aggressive question,
because is Lamar Jackson is limited in what he can
do with his ability to run explosiveness. Then that's going
to change who he is as a quarterback, and that's
going to change their offense.
Speaker 3 (33:39):
I think we gotta wait and see how he how
he might when he's out there. I don't I don't
think there's any other way of knowing how he's going
to respond to the injury, because unless you're right there
with him, you're not going to know the level of
what that that hamstring pool is. It could it could
be as simple as them taping it up or giving
them compression shorts to put on and then it holds
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it together. He's good, it's heated data day, so on
and so forth. Could be a tort all shot that
helps take away just the discomfort of the pain. It
just all depends on what his tolerance of pain. There's
a whole lot of factors. We're just gonna have to
wait and see how it looks when he plays on it.
But I agree with you though, if he can't move,
if he's not if he's not versatile and what it
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is that he's bringing to the table, then you're going
to see much of the same results. If he's not
able to be a you know, a person that moves
out of the pop, outside of the pocket and is
able to be mobile with what he's doing.
Speaker 4 (34:38):
I mean, I would tend to agree with you on that.
Speaker 8 (34:40):
Yeah, And if that's the case, they're in big trouble
and they're done and the skillers will win the division
no matter what.
Speaker 3 (34:46):
Do you think that they'd have a chance to make
a wild cart run or even the Bengals. Do you
think any other team in the North would have an
opportunity to make it into the playoffs?
Speaker 8 (35:00):
I mean no, I don't. Look. The Ravens schedule softens
up a great deal in the next you know, five games.
So if Lamar Jackson can come back and be Lamar Jackson,
they'll get back into the mix. I don't think there's
any doubt about that. But if he can't, I don't
see how that happens with that the loster, the way
its construct and all the injuries they have. So no,
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I don't think the Bengals and Joe Flacco are going
to go wild card hunting.
Speaker 2 (35:26):
No, I do not, all right, So Pete, what do
you make of the Drake may start to his season?
Speaker 4 (35:33):
All right?
Speaker 2 (35:33):
If we don't know, you know who is good yet
the Patriots are sitting there at four and two, and
you know, now they'll sit back and wait to see
what happens later on tonight. But it does feel like
Josh McDaniels, Mike Rabel, They've got Drake Man. They've got
that team headed in the right direction. A far cry
from where they were a year ago under Drowd Mayo.
Speaker 8 (35:54):
No question, no question about it. And Mike Rabel's a
good football coach. He instills a toughness in the team
and it's them to play weekend and week out. And
Drake may is a franchise quarterback. I mean Drake may
He made some throws on Sunday. There was a throw
call back on a throat to Stefan Diggs for past interference.
That yeah, I mean that throw was incredible. I mean,
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there's some of the throws he made are out doubt.
It's the Saints, but the week before they went to
Buffalo and you beat the Bills, and when you go
to Buffalo beat the Bills and you come on the
road and you go play the Saints on the road again,
that's a natural letdown. And it was a thing, you know,
I flogged through it a bit, but they found a
way and that's the sign of a good football team.
You know, you talk about a wildcard team, I think
that team's a legitimate wildcard team, particularly when you look
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at the two bottom feeders below them in the division,
and the Dolphins and the Jets, you would think that
the New England Patriots will be one of the one
of the wildcard teams come playoff time, particularly the way
Drake may is playing a particularly the way they play
for that coach. So yeah, I'm impressed by the New
England Patriots.
Speaker 5 (36:53):
Pete has San Francisco hited ceiling.
Speaker 8 (36:59):
You know, Brady a week ago they went to It's
funny how we change our narrative in a week. But
you're not wrong though, And here's why. They go to
LA and beat the Rams on a Thursday night and
everybody goes, oh my god, that's vintage Kyle Shanahan. Look
at back Jones, he's great. Look what they did and
they want and they're right back in the thick of things.
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And then they go to Tampa and lose a close game,
but they lose Fred Warner and that's for the season.
So you take the heart and soul of the defense
off the defense, and you take away Nick Bosa off
that defense, and then you go to the offense. Kittle
hasn't been there. Perty's not there. And so of the
six major supposed stars of the count party that you
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have on that roster, two of them are playing two
Berett Williams, who's not quite the same player he was,
and Christian McCaffrey. And that's it. And so week in
and week out you're challenged to go, you know, compete
against these teams with a backup quarterback who's played pretty
good football and a roster that is, you know, a
(38:02):
challenge to put together because you pay those guys so
much money and your star star Layden and so when
when those stars go out, your team is in big trouble.
And right now I think the forty nine ers in
big trouble.
Speaker 4 (38:14):
What's going on with your Jacksonville Jaguars? Where are you at?
Was them?
Speaker 8 (38:20):
Well? I thought they there was a big win last
week against Kansas City, and Sunday they laid an eck
and didn't play very well. I mean, this is an
offensive line. They gave up six sacks going into the
game and gave up seven on Sunday. I mean, they
just were brutalized up front. Having said all that, I
think Seattle's defense is significantly better than we give them
(38:40):
credit for. Particularly on the defense. They played with a
bunch of guys out on the secondary, and Sam Darnold's
playing at a high level. Look, I have my reservations
going into the season. I'll be the first to admit it.
The guy's averaging over nine and a half yards per attempt.
The ball is going down the field in the league
where nobody throws the ball down the field. So I
think that was it that that game was much more
(39:01):
telling about Seattle. On the positive side, Jacksonville came off
a big win. It's it's hard to get back up again.
But they got to play better on offense. I think
their offense is not very good right now, and you know,
maybe it's time to start pointing the fingers at the
quarterback a little bit and and he's got to be
better in a certain situations now. He did have a
drop in the middle of the field on a key
(39:23):
third down by Brian Thomas. Once again, that would have
continued to drive to go tie it up. But they
didn't play very well on Sunday.
Speaker 6 (39:30):
Wait, so are you trying to tell me that Sam
Gnold's not who he thought he was? Yes, Okay, so
you're still waiting on that bad game to be like
see I.
Speaker 4 (39:41):
Told you y'all.
Speaker 8 (39:42):
Yeah, yeah, Brady, Brady, you know that you are with
your usually works out all the time.
Speaker 6 (39:48):
And yeah, because because it only takes one game, then
you make that claim and then it's like he plays
straight from five more and he's like, nah.
Speaker 5 (39:56):
I'll come back down to normal, He'll come back down.
Speaker 8 (39:59):
To who he is. This just wait for about three years.
I got about three so he needs three good years
to kind of level off his career.
Speaker 6 (40:07):
By the way, I love how you don't give him
like any any leeway whatsoever. We're going to a Jets
organization that like just cannot figure it out, and yet
here's at no point are you like, yeah, maybe we
should wipe that clean.
Speaker 5 (40:20):
Nope, We're just gonna hold it against him the rest
of his life.
Speaker 8 (40:24):
No, I'm not gonna holding it against him. I just
got to see more and and but and right now
I'm seeing more. I'm gonna give him his flowers, Brady.
I said, he's been playing good football, and rightfully, so
he deserves all the accolades he's getting. He's in the
MVP conversation. How about that? Wow?
Speaker 4 (40:39):
All right, Pete, who's your coach of the year. Who's
your coach of the year today? Right now? Pete, you
got any buy your mine?
Speaker 8 (40:47):
Well, I mean, I think you have to give Rabel
a consideration. I think he deserves strong consideration. Here here's
another one that doesn't get any Pete.
Speaker 5 (40:55):
Does Rabel talk to you when you go up to
the visit camp.
Speaker 8 (40:58):
No, I mean, I don't know. I don't know Mike that.
But so no, I'm not giving you. I'm not giving
guy flowers that I know. I know where you're doing.
I think I think what Todd Bowles has done with
the Bucks is incredible. You know, we always talk about
the forty nine ers injuries. Yesterday Baker Mayfield was thrown
They said fourth, fifth, and six receivers. No, it was
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five six and seven because one, two, three and four
were all out Mike Evans, Chris Godwin, Jalen McMillan, and
then Abuka went out in the game. So it's five
six and seven and he found a way to win
a game. The offensive line, nobody, not one time have
they played with anybody on that line that should have
the five across that was supposed to start the season.
They've lost Canty, They've had injuries in the secondary, and
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here they are at five and one, and all of
a sudden you look around. They're the number one seed
right now in the NFC, and if they get their
guys back, which a lot of those guys are going
to come back, they're going to be factors in the
NFC to go win it all this year. I really
believe that, Pete.
Speaker 2 (41:56):
What was a pick you made this weekend that you
were on the right side on but ultimately a lost
And who's to blame?
Speaker 8 (42:06):
That's a good question. I don't know if there were
any like that this week. To be honest with you,
you just lost a bunch was no, Well, it wasn't
a great week. Let's put it that way. There's been better.
I mean, I won't Brady, Let's see, well I was no,
(42:26):
not really, I don't think there are any To be.
Speaker 5 (42:28):
Honest with you, Yes, where were you on saddle in Jacksonville?
Speaker 8 (42:35):
I had the Dolphins plus so they they and they
covered even though they lost the game. Oh, I'll give
you a Dallas should have won that game. But that's
the one that.
Speaker 5 (42:44):
There's always one.
Speaker 2 (42:45):
Why why would you put any faith in Dallas' defense
at this point? Dak's been great, but they can't stop anybody.
We go down All was that a career day.
Speaker 8 (42:54):
It's unbelievable that that you're right the cavities in the defenses,
like I think, I think any running back in this
league could roll in for just four yards per carry.
No matter who you are, you're gonna get it against
that team easily. I mean, you're right, ric o'dallall just
ran wild through them around. I mean everybody.
Speaker 2 (43:11):
You know.
Speaker 8 (43:12):
It's funny because Rigo Dad has been really good. I
give him a lot of credit, but he played that
defense one week and they're twenty ninth in the league.
Give it up. But in the last three games, they've
given him one hundred and seventy yards per game on
the ground, which would be last in the league. And
they beat the Miami Dolphins on the ground, which is
the team that is last in the league on rush defense.
I mean, so we got to you know, Rico dadad again,
(43:33):
it's proof he pulled running back off the shelf and
put him in He's going to rush for yards against
bad run defenses. That's what they do. But M. Dallas
is right. You're right. I don't know why I should
have won that game, but I showed him.
Speaker 2 (43:43):
Pete Prisco, senior NFL columnist for CBS Sports, CBS Sports
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we love you, Studia.
Speaker 8 (43:52):
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Speaker 3 (01:09):
Good morning, Hi, yep, yep, hey var Hi guys, Somber
Somber morning, Mixed Emotions. You know you want to see
excitement for your program. You want to see your program
have success. And everybody knows it's out there now, it's
send the news, It's made its rounds. Everybody's talking about it.
Speaker 4 (01:33):
You know.
Speaker 3 (01:35):
Coach Franklin was let go. I get it, I get
I get It's a big conversation.
Speaker 2 (01:42):
I mean, I'll tell you what else is big? That
forty nine million he's getting to walk away second biggest
buy out in college football history next to Jimbo.
Speaker 3 (01:50):
How about that? So what is y'all? What are y'all's
take on it? Give me y'all's opinion on it?
Speaker 5 (01:57):
Oh? All right?
Speaker 6 (01:58):
Yeah, I mean I think you know how I feel
because I got pretty fired up after the loss to UCLA,
like I was the Oregon game. I mean, what's wild
about that is they're up a touchdown in overtime. I mean,
think about how fast college football moves. I'm we're literally
(02:20):
talking like fifteen sixteen days ago, Penn State was up
a touchdown and overtime versus Organ they win that game.
They maybe I don't know, number one in the country,
maybe they're still sitting at two or three. But how
different the last sixteen days have gone and so I
(02:42):
kind of look back at just like I was fired
up obviously, because I felt like this program, for whatever reason,
has hit a ceiling. With James Franklin, there's just too
much talent there. They've invested heavily Pack Kraft athletic director,
and I know you know LeVar, but I'm not sure
listeners understand. They have put a ton of money into everything,
(03:05):
everything like nil and the roster retention, roster construction.
Speaker 5 (03:10):
Obviously Jim Knowles.
Speaker 6 (03:11):
Like prying away one of the best defensive coordinators from
Ohio State to them hiring Andy Kodnicki a couple of
years ago is one of the bright offensive minds and
paying them handsomely, and it just has not come.
Speaker 5 (03:25):
Together and worked.
Speaker 6 (03:27):
But I think what flies under the radar when we
talk about how fast college football can change is even
what's happened to UCLA. They've won the last two weeks.
They just drum Michigan State in East Lansing. You know,
a change, a head coach, a changing coordinator, and all
of a sudden, sudden Maye Jerry new new Heuisal is
like the new young Genius because that team is playing
(03:48):
entirely different than it did the first half the season,
and you look at Northwestern and you look at what
David Brown has built. And I'm not trying to make
an excuse for Penn State.
Speaker 5 (03:58):
I'm not.
Speaker 6 (04:00):
But I also think if you go back, because I
was there for Northwestern Oregon, it was I mean Oregon
for the most part controlled that game.
Speaker 5 (04:08):
But you saw flaws, Like you saw.
Speaker 6 (04:11):
The physicality of Northwestern, you saw them be able to
run the football against them, kind of like all right,
like if there's another team that's got a little more
complete team, they might be able to you know, attack
organ and do some stuff like Indiana did this past week.
So I just I think it's wild to think about
how we can talk about a team or look at
a team and a coach and like fifteen sixteen days later,
(04:35):
he's fired, I mean national championship, and one end of
the mouth, the next one we're saying he's fired. And
then meanwhile, like two other teams who've gotten a lot
better are are kind of like flying under the radar,
and they don't get us quite as much credit because
we looking at more as a collapse as opposed to
maybe this is just the parody of college football, Like
(04:55):
maybe this is just the world we're going to live
in now where it's closer to the NFL where I
watched the Carolina Panthers beat the Cowboys yesterday. I go, man,
that was weird. But I guess the Panthers are getting better,
and I guess the Cowboys, who are probably a good team,
maybe even a playoff team, they can have these these
moments from time to time. Maybe that's college football.
Speaker 4 (05:16):
Now.
Speaker 2 (05:17):
My thought was LeVar was right. I think that you
kind of alluded to this after the Oregon game, but
you sensed something on the sideline the very next game
against UCLA, and I think you knew that the end
was near. That's what I think because when we talked about, hey,
(05:40):
you know, and you were obviously distraught about what happened
with Oregon, and we were telling y'all, UCLA is going
to but there were there were reservations, You were hesitant there.
I think maybe there was a sense of just the
despair after the Oregon loss, but then being at the
Rose Bowl amongst.
Speaker 4 (05:56):
Them different, That was a different feeling after that game.
Speaker 2 (05:59):
Yeah, amongst like the fifteen sixteen people that were there.
You then came on the air and we're talking about
like when we were mentioning Northwestern, like, I don't know, man,
and I think you sensed from the sideline maybe from
the players there this is heading.
Speaker 3 (06:16):
Bad and it's Hadden bad in a hurry, and that's
I think that's the sad part of it all. I mean, ultimately,
you got to understand that this is a business, and
it's a production business, and if you don't produce, depending
on how you your lack of production looks will ultimately
(06:37):
probably serve as to how the situation is handled. And
at what point in time you're at not producing. You know,
you're in year what is it twelve? I believe he's
in year twelve, eleven or twelve. I want to say
it's I think it's twelve. He was not a pat
(06:57):
Craft higher, So there's that part of it. But he
has had such a successful run and such a successful
tenure as the head coach of Penn State. You know,
I gave a shout out to coach on social yesterday
and basically just saying, look, people may forget what James
(07:22):
Franklin took over. He took over a program that was
in shambles. I mean, we didn't get the death penalty,
but the way we self imposed on ourselves, it might
as well have been a death penalty. And we're still
trying to figure out things and climb out of what
took place, you know, from that time, still trying to
(07:46):
figure it out. James Franklin comes in and he pumped
life back into that program where I don't know too
many coaches that would have been able to come in
take on the challenges that he had to take on
in order to have any level of success, let alone
(08:12):
him ending up winning a Big Ten championship, him ending
up making it into the College Football Playoff, him ending
up being one game away from and some would say
one play away a couple plays away from possibly being
in the national championship game.
Speaker 4 (08:30):
I think all of those things are.
Speaker 3 (08:34):
Things that you got to look at Coach Franklin, and
whether you hated him or you loved him as a
Penn State fan, I think the one thing that either
you have to you know, kind of acknowledge or one
of the things you have to take into consideration even
if you didn't like him as a coach, is that
(08:55):
he did do an excellent job of recruiting. He did
do an excellent job of building our program when it
needed rebuilt, and I think a lot of people tend
to forget that. Now granted you're so far removed from
the beginning that at this point in time you have
to show that you have, you know, this team going
(09:17):
in the right direction. And as Q mentioned, you know
the investment, like said, you needed a defense coordinator when
when Tom Allen, you know, opted out and rolled out.
You know, you bring in the highest paid defense coordinator
in Jim Knowles, who everybody says is the best in
the business and he has been everything but that for
(09:40):
this team. You bring in receivers. We said we were
lacking receiver debt, we were lacking receiver talent, which I
didn't believe that. I thought some of the guys that
ended up leaving in the portal, I thought they were
pretty good ball players. But that was nonetheless something that
was cited, and they went out and got more receivers
(10:03):
and what we're considered to be playmaking receivers. I mean,
Penya was a big time player for Syracuse last year.
Kyron Hudson was a big time player for USC last year.
Speaker 4 (10:17):
So you go out and you.
Speaker 3 (10:19):
Feel those positions when you ask for when you start
asking for things, and you're saying, these are the only
things we need along with all of the guys that
are coming back to have a complete team, and this
is where you're at at this point in the season.
I think it is safe to say losing three in
a row, the way it looked after the UCLA game,
(10:42):
it was like, this could be the end. Then you
go and you lose a home game to Northwestern. No playoffs,
obviously the playoff pitcher, that window is closed for this season.
So I feel like, with Pat Crabb being as aggressive
as he is as our ad, I think it was
a decision that he made and felt it was proper
(11:04):
based upon the current given, you know, set of circumstances
that the team finds themselves in right now. They it
just did not look like coach was himself after the
UCLA game. Didn't seem like he was himself all the
way for the Northwestern game. The players follow suit. They
don't seem they just do not seem to be believers.
(11:29):
It just doesn't seem like it's a team of believers
at this point.
Speaker 4 (11:32):
So he was shook. Two. Oh yeah, I believe, so.
Speaker 3 (11:36):
Respect all due respect, I believe I believe it was
starting to get the coach too, and listen, when you
have a lot of change at your coordinators and your positions,
like you know, Jay One went to Notre Dame this
past year, you continue to lose really really fine coaches
that insulate you and make things better are for you
(12:00):
as a coach, Like you got to think about how
important your supporting cast of coaches are because that's the
communication line, that the lifeline that keeps you connected to
your players and to the pulse of what everybody is feeling.
And I think if you continue to change them over
and over and over and over again, eventually you just
(12:22):
have guys who are working for you. You kind of
lose that family bond. You know, you've been through seasons
and seasons and seasons together. There are very few guys
that have stayed. Terry Smith, the guy who's taken over,
he's not only a Penn Stater, but he has been
there with James, you know, from the start. So but
there's very few of those guys left. So it's a
tough situation. And I feel bad sentimentally speaking for for
(12:46):
coach Franklin. But at the same time, it's a business
and and Pat Craft is aggressive and wanting to be
a sports power and football is at the top of
the list of being a sports power at Penn State.
And he's going to do what he's you know, task
to do, and he's going to make the decisions that
he feel is going to best, uh put put Penn
(13:09):
State athletics, put Penn State football in the best situation.
So while it's tough, you know, tough pill to swallow
because that's my guy, really really full with coach Franklin,
but you know, at the same time, it's a business,
you know, all right, who's next?
Speaker 2 (13:22):
All right, I've seen a list of candidates.
Speaker 5 (13:24):
I saw trend as the head coach, y head.
Speaker 2 (13:28):
Coach at Penn State.
Speaker 4 (13:29):
Yeah, I saw, you know.
Speaker 6 (13:34):
And then by the way, I'm not laughing about that
for any of the reason other than I saw a
post that said, now that Penn State pulled the trigger
on firing James Franklin with this big of a buyout,
it will open up the floodgates for other schools to say, Okay,
that's acceptable, we'll do it too. And I've tried to
explain to people, like most schools will finance this because
(13:58):
to LaVar's point, they understand when you bring in this
sense of hope and optimism, it will completely transform you know,
everything and the energy around that university and being able
to help again provide hope again and optimism again for
ticket sales and everything else that you're looking to drive revenue,
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which is what these schools are looking to do at
this point. It's one of the reasons why they keep
talking to different pension funds and trying to bring in
private equity to bring in an infusion of capital so
they don't have to worry about, you know, some of
the concerns they have about, well, should we fire our coach,
because if we do well, that fifty million dollars that
we're buying them out, it could be spent on our roster,
(14:39):
it could be spent on other things for athletics to
help keep you know, the next coach competitive. Now that's
always a big concern, but in this case, you know,
I think they looked at it instead just it's more
important to start this process now and move forward and
we'll figure out financially how to get it done. But really,
like again looking at professional sports for franchises because.
Speaker 5 (15:01):
They deal with this all the time.
Speaker 6 (15:02):
You know, the NFL moves on from coaches after about
two years sometimes and the whole point is like, well,
we got a top draft pick, we got a new
head coach. Come by, come come watch our team, you know,
come back to the stands.
Speaker 5 (15:14):
We're different. It's not like two years ago. It's not
like last year. Like that's what they preach.
Speaker 6 (15:19):
And it's kind of hitting college football a bit too
with how they move about doing all this. But I
do think you'll see a lot more start to come
along as well, where schools are going to want to
try to find their guy and prepare themselves for that
transfer portal window come January, the new window they've created,
(15:42):
and then obviously early signing period in December and be
able to get recruiting going and everything else. I think
that's what schools have kind of settled on now. Is
the timing of it.
Speaker 7 (15:50):
Is don't wait, because if you wait now, you're gonna
get caught in trying to figure out who your guy
is while trying to you know, retain your roster while
trying to recruit a new roster.
Speaker 5 (16:01):
And it's just too hard to do.
Speaker 3 (16:02):
There's a lot of moving parts, a lot of guys decommitted,
like a ton of guys are de committing. So if
you like to your point, if you're going to if
you're going to start this process and you have a
conviction to go in a different direction, then you might
as well do it, because you're going to have to
figure out how you're going to maintain your roster, how
(16:26):
you're going to continue to be successful in the recruiting game.
You cannot I can't see you having any success with major,
major recruits if you can't even really plan on using
the portal, if you don't.
Speaker 4 (16:45):
Have a coach, you got to have a coach.
Speaker 3 (16:49):
So so I I guess I look at it, and
I don't know the process of it all I'm about
to learn. But it'll be interesting to see how it
all plays out based upon the given scenarios of what's
taking place.
Speaker 2 (17:08):
Signetti coming to town, yeah, Matt Rule coming to town.
Maybe an opportunity for the fan base there to try
and sell the program on both those guys when they
come to town. Probably a lot of signage out there, you know,
I would love to have you, especially Matt Rule, a
former teammate of yours. I mean, there's a there's some
(17:31):
options out there. I saw Manny Diaz. His name be
mentioned Lane Kiffin as well too. Some people have thrown
that out. I think it was Sports Illustrated also mentioned
Mike Tomlin. I don't think that's that that's likely, but
it's an attractive gig. It's a big time gig.
Speaker 4 (17:49):
Oh. I mean, I'd like to believe, so, I like
to believe.
Speaker 8 (17:53):
So.
Speaker 3 (17:53):
I mean, it's it's proven. And again, like I said,
it was not all bad. I mean, for what it's worth,
coaching is coaching. If you're lucky. I mean, I mean
when I say lucky, lucky, lucky, you coach your entire
career at one place. If you're super super, super lucky,
beyond belief, you coach for a long time, a long tenure,
(18:17):
and you don't get fired. But I think we all
know that's one of the most turbulent job categories that
you could ever go in. You know, I would never
want to be in that situation, at least right now.
I would never want to be in a situation where
like Matt, you brought up Matt Ruhle, Like, Okay, Matt coaches,
(18:39):
he's been fired, he comes to Penn State. There's a
strong possibility even if he wins a lot. Even if
he goes to a national championship game, even if he
wins a national championship game, there's going to come a
moment in time where there's not enough production and the
people that once cheer for him as a player and
(19:02):
chair for him as a coach and he won national
titles and this, that and the other, they're going to
be booing them.
Speaker 2 (19:08):
Are you going to be part of the hiring process,
because if so, let us know some intel us again.
Speaker 3 (19:14):
You know, you know, I'll talk to you guys offline.
I've already talked to Q offline. I'll talk to you
guys offline. But you know, I'm not going to get
into like the details of what my involvement is. You know,
obviously I love my university. I invest a lot in
my university and have been a part of building solutions
(19:36):
and continuing to move move our program and our community forward.
So you know, there's certain parts of conversations I will
not be able to partake in as it applies to
this process.
Speaker 4 (19:51):
So just the reality of it, now, are you.
Speaker 5 (19:59):
I have to ask this question? Was I can't?
Speaker 6 (20:01):
I can't honestly think of another situation that was kind
of a bigger.
Speaker 3 (20:09):
I just call it out, was a bigger flop.
Speaker 6 (20:12):
Like like I felt like the hype around Penn State
this year was very similar to like what Michigan did
with their guys to come back and try to take
a shot at and running a national championship, what Ohio
State did, and it was like Penn State was in
that category. Like again, I don't know that people fully
understand the investment that they made in every capacity into
(20:36):
this team, Like this is probably one of the bigger
and I look and I know Texas who've got a
good win versus Oklahoma this weekend, they haven't been as
good as we thought this season. Clemson's in that category two.
But for Penn State, I mean, the question was like
if not now, then when before the season, because of
(20:57):
all the talent, They've got a returning quarterback, one of
the best defensive minds they got in the off season,
right like there again, an offensive coordinator that's viewed very
well in the college football community.
Speaker 5 (21:09):
Andy Kolnikki, I just pretty wild, man.
Speaker 6 (21:15):
It's it's pretty wild when you really think back to
how the season started and like where we're at or
not that deep into the season.
Speaker 3 (21:22):
That's the crazy part of it, right, the crazy part
of it is that we're not that deep into the
season and yet we know the season is over.
Speaker 2 (21:33):
The season's over, I mean, and also the Drew Holler news, and.
Speaker 3 (21:37):
I mean like literally, like you ended the game with
a season ending injury, like injury to insult. Then your
backup comes in and gets his spirit and his soul smoked.
Speaker 4 (21:52):
Knock the hell out of him.
Speaker 5 (21:54):
He lose the game, he got smoked.
Speaker 3 (21:57):
I mean, this was like supposed to be a oh
get Drew hour Are out, Get Drew Alerer out, all right,
that's what you want, that's what we And that was
the big moment. That was the big reveal. I don't
think so. I don't think so. Yeah it was, you know,
(22:18):
yes it is, of uh it is. It has to
be the biggest flop ever just because of the way
you fell.
Speaker 4 (22:26):
Into the u c l A game.
Speaker 3 (22:28):
I think the u c l A loss made this
put that put it in the category of biggest flop.
I mean, if we're just being honest, Yeah, you moved
to an unranked team and your top ten team in
this day and age, like you said, with the investment,
there's no way around that.
Speaker 5 (22:47):
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Speaker 8 (24:38):
Good morning, what's up, guys. How are you hi, Pete?
Speaker 6 (24:42):
Pete?
Speaker 4 (24:42):
How you doing? Pete?
Speaker 8 (24:44):
Better than James Franklin?
Speaker 4 (24:45):
Oh yeah yeah.
Speaker 8 (24:53):
By the way, By the way, you guys are right.
I turned yesterday. Somebody somebody said, oh James Franklin got fired.
Im good. You can take two million of the shift
million and go put it in a room and then
dive in it. That's what I would do.
Speaker 3 (25:05):
Yeah, he didn't lose, he just lost. Yeah, you know,
but it was a good track, Pete, great tray.
Speaker 4 (25:13):
How did they know? How did your team do yesterday?
Speaker 8 (25:16):
They stink? They stink. They got blown, they got physically
they got physically malled, and their quarterback didn't show up
because they got hurt. But you know what, even if
he had played, they still would have gotten malled. They're
not good. They're not They're not big enough. They're not
physically big enough. And by the way, Texas techle rock
them this week.
Speaker 6 (25:34):
Well, I was going to say we actually were potentially
going to be out in Tempe for the College Football Show,
our big new kickoff, But because of that loss, I
think they thought that's maybe not a good sign, could
be a bad deal going out there, So we're going elsewhere.
But I want to know we were trying to make
our way to Temple. I was looking forward to it, Pete,
I be great. We're going to Provo. So b Yu
(25:56):
Utah Top twenty five matchups obviously change b YU undefeated.
Speaker 8 (26:02):
Yeah, yeah, b Yu byu rallied against Arizona the other night.
They won that. So look, look as U is what
they are, Penn State is what they are, and probably
just you know who they are. I mean, there's the
problem with college football is I don't think there are
any great teams.
Speaker 4 (26:21):
Ohio State, We'll see, we'll see.
Speaker 8 (26:25):
I mean, I'll tell you what Brady Texas Tech is
damn good. I mean that they are proof that you
can go out and buy whatever you need to doing
you can win in college football. Right.
Speaker 6 (26:34):
Well, okay, but the quarterback got hurt, so we'll see
how that impacts them moving forward. And they lost their
d tackle too. I don't know how long if he's
out for the season or what the deal is. So
one of those players you're referring to that got bought
is no longer.
Speaker 4 (26:47):
Going to be there.
Speaker 8 (26:47):
So yeah, I mean that's what college football isn't nowadays, right.
Speaker 5 (26:54):
So how is that any different from the NFL PE?
What's free agency?
Speaker 8 (26:59):
What they Well, they have a cap and yeah, and
there's a.
Speaker 6 (27:02):
Cap too, that's called the house NCA settlement, so they
roughly can try of figure out how much they want
to allocate, you know, towards the roster. In that regard,
if there's collective involvement, there has to be. But even
that's been subject to scrutiny because of the CSC and
all that.
Speaker 8 (27:15):
So there's kind of like a solid do you get
a four year If you get a four year contract,
you're bound to it by four years and unless the
team releases, you're correct, and college football you can go
jumping for wherever you want to.
Speaker 5 (27:26):
Well, they make these kids sign contracts too, now.
Speaker 8 (27:29):
But Brady, can't they transfer every other year every year
if they want to.
Speaker 5 (27:33):
They could, but they would not get the monies that
are in that contract.
Speaker 8 (27:37):
So like what you're saying is they go somewhere else
and get the money.
Speaker 6 (27:41):
Well, yeah, but that's then how the setup is. If
they sign a two to three or four you do
base Pete. By the way, eighty percent of the NFL's
on one year contracts.
Speaker 8 (27:51):
No, I get that, Brady, But the bottom line is
you can't if you can't just jump from team to
team like you can in college football, can You're not?
Speaker 9 (27:58):
No.
Speaker 6 (27:58):
But someone will say that's actually more player empowerment, Like
that's actually better for the players. Now, you don't talk
from that perspective because you hate players and you like
to talk from. Hang, Petere Prisco, I'm part of the ownership.
I don't these guys. These guys grow on trees. These
running backs grow on.
Speaker 4 (28:14):
All be playing, on all be playing.
Speaker 8 (28:19):
And I was right.
Speaker 6 (28:21):
So Petere Prisco, I relate better to billionaires than millionaires.
Speaker 8 (28:28):
That's not true. That's not true. Not true.
Speaker 5 (28:32):
One for you.
Speaker 4 (28:33):
Beg in sensitive.
Speaker 2 (28:34):
Hey, Pete, I got one for you. Are the Jets
even worse than you thought?
Speaker 8 (28:40):
Yes, yes they are. I mean when you think Aaron Glenn,
who is a former player and has a, you know,
an attitude about him and a fightiness about him, would
go in and still a toughness on the defense, right,
you figured at least that, Well, they don't tackle very well,
and they did play better yesterday on defense. I'll give
(29:02):
him that. Offensively, we went into the season thinking what
we saw on Sunday is what we've seen most of
the season. They're not good on offense, but they put
a lot of assets into an offensive line that allowed
their quarterback to get sacked nine times on Sunday nine.
And then at the end of the half, what in
the hell is that man doing? They fake a punt
(29:24):
on fourth down to get a first down. Okay, at
the end of the half, Well, why don't you go
from there to try and get something? He does nothing
and allows the clock to run out, and he's getting
yelled out by his players. So I wonder, you know,
sometimes you're a coordinator, sometimes you don't know if the
guy's a head coach, Aaron Glenn has to learn how
(29:45):
to be a head coach. You have to be involved
in game management to the point where you understand the
mechanism of the clock management and the understanding of.
Speaker 1 (29:55):
What you do.
Speaker 8 (29:56):
Why would you fake that field goal if you're not
going to go from there? What's the rationale? You didn't
want to give him the ball back? What does that mean?
I don't get it. So I just think that, yeah,
they're a mess, and they're a disaster, and they have
guys that haven't played close to expectations, and I think
it's all reflection of the entire process. But I think
(30:16):
it's a reflection of the coach. Now. Having said all that,
he doesn't deserve to be fired. Right now, people are
saying that, give me a break, let's play out the
season and see how this thing goes. But the reality is,
right now, it's if you had to grade the Jets
and the coaching and everything that goes into it. It's
a big, giant, fat ass.
Speaker 6 (30:35):
Let's talk about a team that maybe is exceeding our expectations,
and that's the Pittsburgh Steelers, the best team in the
AFC North.
Speaker 5 (30:41):
They look to be a team that might be the
third best team in the AFC? Is that fair to say, Pete?
Speaker 8 (30:48):
Do we know? Do we know? I mean that's the
thing about when we talked about this last night. Do
we know if the Colts and or the Steelers are
any good yet? I mean, if you really.
Speaker 6 (31:00):
Say that though, dude, like the Colts might be, they
shoul probably should be undefeated if you really think about it.
Speaker 8 (31:05):
Okay, and I'm gonna go through the Colts schedule. Beat
the beat the Dolphins who are dreadful, Beat the Titans
who are dreadful. Beat the Raiders who are dreadful. Now okay.
Then they beat the Cardinals without their starting quarterback. Now,
the other guy might out play them yesterday, but he
still beat them without their starting quarterback and the wide
receiver went out in the first quarter.
Speaker 5 (31:25):
They beat a Broncos team that I think you would
would would agree is better.
Speaker 8 (31:28):
Than the Broncos can't score. I mean, the Broncos have
offensive issues right now, and then they and then they
lost the Rams in the game they probably in a
game they probably should have won. But so you flip
those games, but we really don't know. Then you go
to the Steelers. Do we know how good they are?
Look at their schedule? What they beat, the Jets, the Browns.
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Who's the other one they beat?
Speaker 5 (31:51):
I mean they Here's here's the general point. Pete is like,
who's good?
Speaker 6 (31:55):
Then the AFC, because you've got Buffalo, You've got Indie,
and you'd say case.
Speaker 5 (31:59):
But the records, so like like who are you like
hanging your hat on?
Speaker 4 (32:03):
Who is good?
Speaker 8 (32:05):
That's that's part of the problem is I don't think
we know if anybody's any good. I say it every
time this year. Is anybody any good? We'll know more
about it. Indy goes to the play the Chargers next
week at the Chargers. That's gonna be a tough game.
They win that game, we'll start believing in them a
little bit. Okay, the Steelers are gonna I mean, unless
Lamar Jackson can come back and be Lamar Jackson, they're
gonna run away with that division. I mean, if Lamar
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Jackson has a ham and you guys know better than
me because you played, you played in the league. If
you have a hamstring injury and Mike Evans always comes
back from hamstring injuries and re injures them, can you
be the same guy three weeks.
Speaker 4 (32:38):
Out three weeks out from Uh? It just depends on
how serious the hamstring injury.
Speaker 8 (32:44):
One. It's one that made them miss two games already,
so it's probably pretty serious, right.
Speaker 3 (32:48):
It depends, because a really serious hamstring injury, you're talking months,
like it takes a real like you can't even barely
hardly walk when you have a quad pool or a
hamstring pool. So it might not be as crazy bad
as it may seem, even though he's missing time. Two
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weeks time isn't a crazy amount of time for a
hamstring injury if it isn't a serious one. So if
he's coming back, if he's making an attempt to come
back right now and it's been like less than a month,
I would say it's not as severe as it maybe
some people may have made it.
Speaker 8 (33:28):
Sound we'll be limited, will be limiting. That's the aggressive question,
because is Lamar Jackson is limited in what he can
do with his ability to run explosiveness. Then that's going
to change who he is as a quarterback, and that's
going to change their offense.
Speaker 3 (33:39):
I think we gotta wait and see how he how
he might when he's out there. I don't I don't
think there's any other way of knowing how he's going
to respond to the injury, because unless you're right there
with him, you're not going to know the level of
what that that hamstring pool is. It could it could
be as simple as them taping it up or giving
them compression shorts to put on and then it holds
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it together. He's good, it's heated data day, so on
and so forth. Could be a tort all shot that
helps take away just the discomfort of the pain. It
just all depends on what his tolerance of pain. There's
a whole lot of factors. We're just gonna have to
wait and see how it looks when he plays on it.
But I agree with you though, if he can't move,
if he's not if he's not versatile and what it
(34:25):
is that he's bringing to the table, then you're going
to see much of the same results. If he's not
able to be a you know, a person that moves
out of the pop, outside of the pocket and is
able to be mobile with what he's doing.
Speaker 4 (34:38):
I mean, I would tend to agree with you on that.
Speaker 8 (34:40):
Yeah, And if that's the case, they're in big trouble
and they're done and the skillers will win the division
no matter what.
Speaker 3 (34:46):
Do you think that they'd have a chance to make
a wild cart run or even the Bengals. Do you
think any other team in the North would have an
opportunity to make it into the playoffs?
Speaker 8 (35:00):
I mean no, I don't. Look. The Ravens schedule softens
up a great deal in the next you know, five games.
So if Lamar Jackson can come back and be Lamar Jackson,
they'll get back into the mix. I don't think there's
any doubt about that. But if he can't, I don't
see how that happens with that the loster, the way
its construct and all the injuries they have. So no,
(35:21):
I don't think the Bengals and Joe Flacco are going
to go wild card hunting.
Speaker 2 (35:26):
No, I do not, all right, So Pete, what do
you make of the Drake may start to his season?
Speaker 4 (35:33):
All right?
Speaker 2 (35:33):
If we don't know, you know who is good yet
the Patriots are sitting there at four and two, and
you know, now they'll sit back and wait to see
what happens later on tonight. But it does feel like
Josh McDaniels, Mike Rabel, They've got Drake Man. They've got
that team headed in the right direction. A far cry
from where they were a year ago under Drowd Mayo.
Speaker 8 (35:54):
No question, no question about it. And Mike Rabel's a
good football coach. He instills a toughness in the team
and it's them to play weekend and week out. And
Drake may is a franchise quarterback. I mean Drake may
He made some throws on Sunday. There was a throw
call back on a throat to Stefan Diggs for past interference.
That yeah, I mean that throw was incredible. I mean,
(36:15):
there's some of the throws he made are out doubt.
It's the Saints, but the week before they went to
Buffalo and you beat the Bills, and when you go
to Buffalo beat the Bills and you come on the
road and you go play the Saints on the road again,
that's a natural letdown. And it was a thing, you know,
I flogged through it a bit, but they found a
way and that's the sign of a good football team.
You know, you talk about a wildcard team, I think
that team's a legitimate wildcard team, particularly when you look
(36:36):
at the two bottom feeders below them in the division,
and the Dolphins and the Jets, you would think that
the New England Patriots will be one of the one
of the wildcard teams come playoff time, particularly the way
Drake may is playing a particularly the way they play
for that coach. So yeah, I'm impressed by the New
England Patriots.
Speaker 5 (36:53):
Pete has San Francisco hited ceiling.
Speaker 8 (36:59):
You know, Brady a week ago they went to It's
funny how we change our narrative in a week. But
you're not wrong though, And here's why. They go to
LA and beat the Rams on a Thursday night and
everybody goes, oh my god, that's vintage Kyle Shanahan. Look
at back Jones, he's great. Look what they did and
they want and they're right back in the thick of things.
(37:19):
And then they go to Tampa and lose a close game,
but they lose Fred Warner and that's for the season.
So you take the heart and soul of the defense
off the defense, and you take away Nick Bosa off
that defense, and then you go to the offense. Kittle
hasn't been there. Perty's not there. And so of the
six major supposed stars of the count party that you
(37:40):
have on that roster, two of them are playing two
Berett Williams, who's not quite the same player he was,
and Christian McCaffrey. And that's it. And so week in
and week out you're challenged to go, you know, compete
against these teams with a backup quarterback who's played pretty
good football and a roster that is, you know, a
(38:02):
challenge to put together because you pay those guys so
much money and your star star Layden and so when
when those stars go out, your team is in big trouble.
And right now I think the forty nine ers in
big trouble.
Speaker 4 (38:14):
What's going on with your Jacksonville Jaguars? Where are you at?
Was them?
Speaker 8 (38:20):
Well? I thought they there was a big win last
week against Kansas City, and Sunday they laid an eck
and didn't play very well. I mean, this is an
offensive line. They gave up six sacks going into the
game and gave up seven on Sunday. I mean, they
just were brutalized up front. Having said all that, I
think Seattle's defense is significantly better than we give them
(38:40):
credit for. Particularly on the defense. They played with a
bunch of guys out on the secondary, and Sam Darnold's
playing at a high level. Look, I have my reservations
going into the season. I'll be the first to admit it.
The guy's averaging over nine and a half yards per attempt.
The ball is going down the field in the league
where nobody throws the ball down the field. So I
think that was it that that game was much more
(39:01):
telling about Seattle. On the positive side, Jacksonville came off
a big win. It's it's hard to get back up again.
But they got to play better on offense. I think
their offense is not very good right now, and you know,
maybe it's time to start pointing the fingers at the
quarterback a little bit and and he's got to be
better in a certain situations now. He did have a
drop in the middle of the field on a key
(39:23):
third down by Brian Thomas. Once again, that would have
continued to drive to go tie it up. But they
didn't play very well on Sunday.
Speaker 6 (39:30):
Wait, so are you trying to tell me that Sam
Gnold's not who he thought he was? Yes, Okay, so
you're still waiting on that bad game to be like
see I.
Speaker 4 (39:41):
Told you y'all.
Speaker 8 (39:42):
Yeah, yeah, Brady, Brady, you know that you are with
your usually works out all the time.
Speaker 6 (39:48):
And yeah, because because it only takes one game, then
you make that claim and then it's like he plays
straight from five more and he's like, nah.
Speaker 5 (39:56):
I'll come back down to normal, He'll come back down.
Speaker 8 (39:59):
To who he is. This just wait for about three years.
I got about three so he needs three good years
to kind of level off his career.
Speaker 6 (40:07):
By the way, I love how you don't give him
like any any leeway whatsoever. We're going to a Jets
organization that like just cannot figure it out, and yet
here's at no point are you like, yeah, maybe we
should wipe that clean.
Speaker 5 (40:20):
Nope, We're just gonna hold it against him the rest
of his life.
Speaker 8 (40:24):
No, I'm not gonna holding it against him. I just
got to see more and and but and right now
I'm seeing more. I'm gonna give him his flowers, Brady.
I said, he's been playing good football, and rightfully, so
he deserves all the accolades he's getting. He's in the
MVP conversation. How about that? Wow?
Speaker 4 (40:39):
All right, Pete, who's your coach of the year. Who's
your coach of the year today? Right now? Pete, you
got any buy your mine?
Speaker 8 (40:47):
Well, I mean, I think you have to give Rabel
a consideration. I think he deserves strong consideration. Here here's
another one that doesn't get any Pete.
Speaker 5 (40:55):
Does Rabel talk to you when you go up to
the visit camp.
Speaker 8 (40:58):
No, I mean, I don't know. I don't know Mike that.
But so no, I'm not giving you. I'm not giving
guy flowers that I know. I know where you're doing.
I think I think what Todd Bowles has done with
the Bucks is incredible. You know, we always talk about
the forty nine ers injuries. Yesterday Baker Mayfield was thrown
They said fourth, fifth, and six receivers. No, it was
(41:19):
five six and seven because one, two, three and four
were all out Mike Evans, Chris Godwin, Jalen McMillan, and
then Abuka went out in the game. So it's five
six and seven and he found a way to win
a game. The offensive line, nobody, not one time have
they played with anybody on that line that should have
the five across that was supposed to start the season.
They've lost Canty, They've had injuries in the secondary, and
(41:41):
here they are at five and one, and all of
a sudden you look around. They're the number one seed
right now in the NFC, and if they get their
guys back, which a lot of those guys are going
to come back, they're going to be factors in the
NFC to go win it all this year. I really
believe that, Pete.
Speaker 2 (41:56):
What was a pick you made this weekend that you
were on the right side on but ultimately a lost
And who's to blame?
Speaker 8 (42:06):
That's a good question. I don't know if there were
any like that this week. To be honest with you,
you just lost a bunch was no, Well, it wasn't
a great week. Let's put it that way. There's been better.
I mean, I won't Brady, Let's see, well I was no,
(42:26):
not really, I don't think there are any To be.
Speaker 5 (42:28):
Honest with you, Yes, where were you on saddle in Jacksonville?
Speaker 8 (42:35):
I had the Dolphins plus so they they and they
covered even though they lost the game. Oh, I'll give
you a Dallas should have won that game. But that's
the one that.
Speaker 5 (42:44):
There's always one.
Speaker 2 (42:45):
Why why would you put any faith in Dallas' defense
at this point? Dak's been great, but they can't stop anybody.
We go down All was that a career day.
Speaker 8 (42:54):
It's unbelievable that that you're right the cavities in the defenses,
like I think, I think any running back in this
league could roll in for just four yards per carry.
No matter who you are, you're gonna get it against
that team easily. I mean, you're right, ric o'dallall just
ran wild through them around. I mean everybody.
Speaker 2 (43:11):
You know.
Speaker 8 (43:12):
It's funny because Rigo Dad has been really good. I
give him a lot of credit, but he played that
defense one week and they're twenty ninth in the league.
Give it up. But in the last three games, they've
given him one hundred and seventy yards per game on
the ground, which would be last in the league. And
they beat the Miami Dolphins on the ground, which is
the team that is last in the league on rush defense.
I mean, so we got to you know, Rico dadad again,
(43:33):
it's proof he pulled running back off the shelf and
put him in He's going to rush for yards against
bad run defenses. That's what they do. But M. Dallas
is right. You're right. I don't know why I should
have won that game, but I showed him.
Speaker 2 (43:43):
Pete Prisco, senior NFL columnist for CBS Sports, CBS Sports
HQ analysts get him on X at Prisco CBS. Pete,
we love you, Studia.
Speaker 8 (43:52):
Next week, the guys take care
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