October 20, 2025 • 43 mins
Monday on 2 Pros and a Cup of Joe, the guys talk about the epic collapse by the New York Giants and debate if the loss is on the defense or the whole team, how both Mike McDaniel and Tua Tagovailoa have lost the Dolphins locker room, Pete Prisco, and more!
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
This is the best of two pros and a couple
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Speaker 2 (00:13):
What was the skit the Giants were putting together? Oh,
almost going to get you, almost going to get you,
almost going to get you, almost going to get your Oh,
I was going to get Joe, almost going to get
your almost going to get you.
Speaker 3 (00:25):
I don't know if it's almost gonna get you. I
mean that was an epic collapse. Your defense gives up
thirty three points in the fourth quarter, the most in
NFL history ever. I mean, this is what's cool about
a game like that is we have all those microphones
and like all this different sound that we're gonna get,
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Like I don't know if it's a year from now
or ten years from now, would be like, hey, remember
that time the Giants absolutely collapsed and gave up thirty
three points, like nineteen nothing gave up thirty three in
the fourth quarter.
Speaker 4 (01:00):
I watching it happen, I'm looking at going, all right,
twenty six, sixteen, okay, had they get sixteen? And then
it was just they got the next one and Denver
takes the lead. And what makes it even worse is
that the Giants still somehow Someway figured out how to
get the lead back after that missed the extra point,
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and then you knew it was just only a matter
of time they were going to give it up.
Speaker 2 (01:27):
Like you just knew. You watched it, like.
Speaker 4 (01:29):
They literally gave away that game twice in the fourth quarter,
and not like hey, chipping away in the third quarter
and then you get to the fourth quarter, you get No,
it was in the fourth quarter with not that much
time left and they completely melted down. That's a bad loss, man,
It's a really, really bad Not that they were going
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to be a playoff team or anything, but it went
from man, huge statement win, go on the road, beat
the Broncos. You got a rookie quarterback, you got Camskataboo.
There's like feel good vine, they look good. I know
it's not a good I'm with you on it can't
be considered a good loss. Like I get that, I
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get that, the collapses epic, I get all of that.
Speaker 2 (02:14):
But they were playing their asses off for three quarters, man,
and they looked good for three quarters. It was impressive
for three quarters. And for three quarters you sat there
and you said, dang, like they were on a run.
And what I will say is, even though there isn't
a such thing as a great loss or good loss,
I will say that this is a different New York
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Giants team that we're watching play. It's not the one
where we sat there and we said it is day
Ball going to be able to keep his job. I
don't think you walk away from that game saying that
he's not adequate enough to beat you think so.
Speaker 3 (02:52):
I think there's people who are very, very frustrated Giants
fans because they're thinking to their selves, if this was
our coach, we don't give.
Speaker 5 (03:01):
Up thirty three points in the fourth quarter, we somehow
win God dang.
Speaker 2 (03:03):
But if it's not your coach, you're not up about
that many to begin with. I know it was an
epic collapse. I get it. I get it was a collapse,
but this is not. First of all, they wouldn't have
been able to put that many points up before, not
too long ago, not too long ago, they wouldn't have
been they made that way.
Speaker 5 (03:21):
That's because of Jackson Darton.
Speaker 2 (03:23):
All right, Well, I mean I don't think that they
would have been able to put those points up with
Russell Wilson I'm gonna say it.
Speaker 3 (03:30):
But that's the thing is they're not talking about They're
not talking about the coach the time, about the player.
Speaker 4 (03:36):
Russell Wilson's not even in the vicinity of playing. All
I'm saying, I can't get out of their line.
Speaker 2 (03:43):
All I'm saying is this is a different team. It
was a different team. They were almost on the three
game winning streak. It came to an end and in
a horrible manner. But that horrible manner wasn't They were
down thirty three the whole entire game and then went
down thirty three more. They were up, they gave it up.
I get it, but they were up by a lot
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and they collapsed. It is what it is. I feel
like that's correct, correctible. What it is that one is?
That one is? I mean, you give us thirty three points.
That's an outlier to give up thirty three points in
any given quarter of a game in NFA, How it's.
Speaker 5 (04:20):
Ever happened before.
Speaker 3 (04:21):
It's like usually you don't survive this, right, Like that
was what it was advanced Joseph when he was with
the Dolphins and gave up however many points to Baltimore.
Speaker 5 (04:32):
They fired I think the end of the season.
Speaker 2 (04:36):
Like I, I, yeah, I don't know about you. How
do you overcome that though?
Speaker 4 (04:41):
Like, have you guys been a part of a game
where you gave up a lead like that kind of
anywhere close to that kind of lead, because.
Speaker 2 (04:49):
I was a part of a game where we came back,
but not that big of a deficit.
Speaker 3 (04:53):
Let me put it this way, like Damn Quinn and
the Atlanta Falcons, and I remember calling a game it's
probably a year or two after they had the twenty
eighty three collapse in the Super Bowl.
Speaker 5 (05:03):
And they did all these things to move on from.
Speaker 3 (05:07):
It, and I was like, I don't know if I
think if you're being real, you don't try to move
on from it. You literally have to just recognize what
it is, bring in some sort of psychologists toward counselor
and just say, look, we blew arguably the biggest lead
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in the Super Bowl ever, Like we collapsed.
Speaker 5 (05:33):
We made a mistake.
Speaker 3 (05:34):
However you want to describe it, Like, instead of just
not talking about it or trying to avoid it or
saying that we're past it so many times to convince
yourself you are, instead of going that route, just be like, no, actually,
we were going to be motivated every single hour of
every day of the rest of our lives as NFL
players and coaches, because we had the worst collapse in
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the Super Bowl anyone's ever seen, and it's gonna motivate
us to get back there. But instead they took this
different approach, and the approach ultimately ended up leading to
them like.
Speaker 5 (06:08):
Having a lot of finger pointing in the front office.
Speaker 3 (06:11):
And then it eventually, you know, Kyle Shanahan becomes the
head coach in San Francisco and Matt Ryan never kind
of plays quite up to the level he did it
with Shanahan, and you know, they end up moving on
from dan Quinn and.
Speaker 5 (06:23):
That's just how it ended up working out.
Speaker 3 (06:24):
And obviously dan Quinn's doing his thing with with Washington now,
but you know those moments, I don't I don't feel
like you move on from like I think if you're
real about it, like now, it's like every damn gonna
remind myself that we give up thirty three points in
the fourth quarter if I found part of that defense,
and like, that's that's part of our identity and until
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we rectify it, every single Giants fan is gonna be
like oh we're up, We're up three scores in the
fourth quarter, suite. I mean, we could always just give
up thirty three points and lose this game, because every
fan's gonna think it, every single person, then media.
Speaker 5 (06:56):
Is gonna think it.
Speaker 3 (06:58):
It's part of your identity now, So like I don't.
I don't think it's just like an outlier, like that
little guy. I don't worry about that little guy.
Speaker 2 (07:05):
Yeah, we just give up thirty three point thirty three points,
and I just don't. I don't see that happening. I
don't see that no quarter, I get that part. I
don't see it happening again.
Speaker 5 (07:19):
We're really gonna do this.
Speaker 2 (07:20):
It's really not going to happen again. I know it's
not gonna happen. It's more likely to me, in my estimation,
it's it's more likely for Philly to win a game,
or a team to win a game the way that
they did with that block field goal, picked up scoop
score and win the game than it is to see
a team score thirty three points and fourth quarter.
Speaker 4 (07:40):
But once is enough, Once is enough. You don't need
it to happen again. You do say demoralizing lost, because yeah,
you mentioned for three quarters, if you can go on
the road and win shut them out for three quarters,
if you can go on the road and win at
Denver against a team that's that a lot of people
think is the goods and going to be a playoff team. Look,
the conference station surrounding, the direction of the organization is
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completely different. Now you're looking around going what the.
Speaker 2 (08:05):
F was that? You can say they took their foot
off of the gas, and it's like that track runner.
Speaker 5 (08:12):
Actually they didn't. I mean they still scored points.
Speaker 2 (08:16):
They did thirteen fourteen, I don't know, but they did.
There's no other way to explain giving up it at large.
Speaker 3 (08:24):
Two touchdowns in the fourth quarter. You're gonna say they
took their foot off the gas. Yes, this is a
this is a defensive collapse. This isn't the offense Like
dart through a terrible pick that was part of it,
kind of sparked it. But outside of that, like, come on, man, Like,
if your offense is scoring a couple of touchdowns per quarter,
that's like way more than.
Speaker 2 (08:40):
The league offense. The nerve of you, if your offense
isn't keeping their offense off of the field, are you
st worry about them scoring.
Speaker 6 (08:50):
Are you're the only person in the ball the offense. Yeah,
I'm more the way, not the offense. Damn pot, go
get a penalty flag. Yet do what you always do,
get bailed out bout of revs. They did, actually did,
all right, we'll do it.
Speaker 2 (09:05):
Sean King got fifteen yards like they It was there
like ever, this.
Speaker 5 (09:13):
Was a defensive collapse.
Speaker 2 (09:15):
V want to say, it's okay, you can't lose this
any other way acause you can't give up a lead
like that and it not be a team A team deal,
a team deal. It's not one side of the bare
probably could have ran more time off the clock on
the touchdown that put him back up to thirty two
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or whatever it was like on the dirt. You never
convinced me that one side of the ball was the
reason why thirty three points of a deficit was a
race thirty two. You'll never You'll know, you'll never take
I've never never. You'll never convince me that that was
not a team effort. Sorry, you won't. What maybe one
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side of the ball played a little bit more, okay,
I mean they have a little bit more to blame,
all right, but but you need to tell me so
at no point in time.
Speaker 3 (10:05):
So at no point in time out of the one, two, three, four,
five possessions the Broncos had in the fourth quarter and
no point, you can just get one stop. I mean,
that's ultimately what they needed because their offense again scored
a couple of touchdowns like they did their part, and
no point of the five drives the Broncos had scoring
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touchdowns of four of them, could get a field goal
on the fifth. Are you serious like they couldn't even
stop a couple like a two point conversion.
Speaker 2 (10:34):
In there somewhere? I am did serious team effort. Team effort.
It takes to lose that big of a deficit. It
takes every scene some way, somehow, even special teams had
something to do with it. All three phases of the
game had something to do with this two extra points.
All three phases of the game had something to do
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with it.
Speaker 4 (10:56):
I mean, Coop, who is producing today, mister Bronco fan?
And were did you booze up while you were watching
that game? Were you about to Coop? Because you texted
me that you were stressed out? I think I lost
like ten years off my life watching that game.
Speaker 3 (11:14):
Now, Coop, would would you say it was a defensive
collapse or just team effort over there?
Speaker 5 (11:19):
Like, well, how do you say this?
Speaker 2 (11:20):
I would say it was mile high magic?
Speaker 3 (11:24):
Oh god, yeah, Now I know you're high, all right?
Speaker 4 (11:36):
I heard that that was all bow And if I'm high,
it's it's I'm high off of bocaine.
Speaker 2 (11:45):
Okay? Oh is that a thing they they roll with that?
Speaker 5 (11:48):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (11:49):
All right, snort some bocane, that's right. Yeah, why do
you have to snort it? Why couldn't you smoke it? Yes?
You could? You know if you wanted to, which one
did you do?
Speaker 5 (11:58):
Coop?
Speaker 2 (11:59):
Snort or smoke?
Speaker 1 (12:00):
Damn?
Speaker 2 (12:01):
Well, I think if you.
Speaker 7 (12:06):
I think he's smoking, then it's then it's more like.
Speaker 2 (12:09):
I mean, Lorena always jumps in on them moments. I
mean she does. It's to shine and yeah, it's just
so funny. How many and windows you guys drop? I
didn't drop, and you didn't you dropped it? There was
not one. I was just talking about a narcotic of
some sort being swallowed. That that was it. I mean
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it was up to you to.
Speaker 5 (12:35):
I mean you could also not jump in on it,
you know, you.
Speaker 2 (12:40):
Know what, because she jumped all the way into that.
Speaker 5 (12:44):
Yeah, I know you're putting us an awkward spot. How
are we supposed to act.
Speaker 2 (12:48):
That was a comeback from behind? Wait, hold on, it's
not me all right, Yeah, that's brutal.
Speaker 5 (13:00):
All right?
Speaker 2 (13:00):
Well, well, I mean I think that that's I can
settle in on agreeing with that. That's a brutal loss.
That is a hell of a plane ride back home
after losing that type of a game.
Speaker 5 (13:12):
Oh man, team loss.
Speaker 2 (13:14):
But I will say this. I will say this, if
I'm on that team and we lost, I wish the
offensive player would say some some crap like that out
of their mouth. I wish they would. You know, we're
gonna be moving, We're gonna be thumping on the plane.
Speaker 8 (13:28):
Yeah, I wish. I wish Brady Quinn will I wish
he would walk up on the second, the second blow.
I didn't like cas laughing after we lost. I ain't
understand it, ye, but I know a lot of people
laugh after.
Speaker 3 (13:45):
This is one of those moments where I don't know.
Maybe LeVar and the defense he didn't look in the mirror.
But if you don't stand up in front of the
team and go like that'll never happen again. No defense
is ever in the history any game, ever giving up
thirty three points in the fourth quarter. Ever, and by
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the way, wasn't like a pick six, you know, it
wasn't like Jackson.
Speaker 5 (14:09):
It wasn't one of those. It was a collapse, that's
what it was.
Speaker 4 (14:14):
And by the way, if I'm not mistaken, the only
at the highest scoring quarter in NFL history belonged to
the Lions. I think they scored thirty four in a
quarterback in seven.
Speaker 2 (14:24):
So like this is.
Speaker 7 (14:25):
Historic, you know, y'all be on, y'all al like acting
like like that's your knowledge that you're going to just
impart upon the listening audience.
Speaker 9 (14:36):
No point you have to look yourself in the mirror.
And you know that was the most pathetic two thousand
and seven. It was the Detroit Lions.
Speaker 2 (14:50):
And serves if your memory serves you correct, get that
out of here before your memory serve you correct before if
you're and your fingers, sir, you.
Speaker 4 (15:01):
Know, if my ears served me correctly, because I heard
that from Steve de Sager last night, I got that
from all right, Yeah, who.
Speaker 2 (15:09):
Needs AI when you got Steve Sager? I mean, when
you type as quick as Q types, you're not going
out doing on on debates concerning information from AI's and
it's not.
Speaker 5 (15:21):
Hard to find his fingers.
Speaker 2 (15:23):
The article his finger tell you historic.
Speaker 5 (15:27):
Historic, defensive class and by the.
Speaker 2 (15:30):
Way, fingers are historic crowd quick, defensive collapse. And I
don't like your your your voice in my ear with
that type of tone right now, so early and defensive
colad just it's like it's like in I don't know.
Speaker 4 (15:44):
And by the way, you know, you're the Giants next
week agonizing at the Eagles, and you know, after what happened,
what a couple of weeks ago, Philly's going.
Speaker 2 (15:55):
To chew their ass up and spit them out.
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Speaker 4 (16:42):
Congratulations to the Cleveland Browns. Big win for the Brownies.
And the other side of that story is the Miami
Dolphins are a bucket of puke. Mike McDaniel, their head coach,
spoke not only about three straight losses for the club,
but also putting his house up for s own job
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security afterwards.
Speaker 11 (17:06):
Three losses in this league in a row are always tickets.
Speaker 5 (17:10):
Toll you.
Speaker 11 (17:12):
You honestly get to see across the board. Uh, you know,
the the people that you're working with, and we're professionals
that need need to do our jobs better.
Speaker 5 (17:24):
Tape never lies.
Speaker 11 (17:26):
Find it very offensive to all parties involved. If I'm
thinking about having the job, I need to be doing
my job. So for as long as a coach for
the Miami Dolphins in this organization, they'll get everything from me.
Speaker 2 (17:44):
And I'll probably be coaching like another hour, dang two hours. Uh,
it just this.
Speaker 4 (17:51):
It feels like him and Tua both lost the locker room.
And I just don't see how this gets better. I
just this feels like that's a team that's gonna be
picking real high up in the draft, coming up next
to April.
Speaker 2 (18:06):
Well, I know, I knew it got like kind of bad.
I just didn't know losing to Cleveland like that was
as bad as as the Dolphins have have fallen. I mean,
I hate, I hate for it to sound like that
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because Cleveland isn't a horrible team. They just aren't a
They're just not a good team. And so for them
to have that type of showing against Miami who, I mean,
for for.
Speaker 5 (18:40):
What is worth?
Speaker 2 (18:41):
Why why are they struggling so bad? Like, have we
pinpointed why they're struggling so bad?
Speaker 3 (18:49):
A good offensive line defensively have struggled, I don't know
that consistently run the football?
Speaker 5 (18:53):
Well, uh yeah, I would kind of summarize it.
Speaker 2 (18:57):
It just I thought this was a team that was
a competitive team, like what less than two years ago,
and you think.
Speaker 5 (19:07):
They'd be competitive in the FCO.
Speaker 2 (19:08):
I thought they would be. I told you, guys, I
thought they would finish second place. I thought that coming
into this season, there was a strong possibility that the
Miami Dolphins would be good enough to finish second place
in their division, second behind obviously Buffalo, Like who else,
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who else? I mean, I wouldn't have put the Patriots
in there, and I and hell I wouldn't. I just
I felt like that, I mean, we're not going to
put the Jets in there. I just I just felt
like they were going to be the second team in
that that division. I don't know, I didn't feel like
that was a reach. Man.
Speaker 4 (19:51):
They're bad. They're worse than that, you know what. I
know what I wonder what was Darren Waller thinking, m
I just stay retired, dude, Like it's not even worth,
not even worth the trouble to go and play for
that team. Yeah, they're they're bad. The Patriots look and
Drake May looks great, and you know, they got a
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big win yesterday. The Jets are the Jets and the
Dolphins are. The Jets are worse than I thought they'd be.
The Dolphins are bad, and I thought they'd be bad.
So at least they're living up decks. Well, are they
worse than your bad?
Speaker 2 (20:25):
See? They're worse than beat right now? To me, Like
that game May yesterday, that was a bad game.
Speaker 5 (20:31):
The Jets are a whole different conversation.
Speaker 3 (20:33):
Like the Jets and the fact that Aaron Glenn scoffed
at a media member for asking the question about going
to Rod Taylor. Meanwhile, they benched fields at halftime and
put into Rod Taylor this week. I mean, you can't
make this stuff up. And this is a team and
this is a head coach, mind you who literally had
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Aaron Rodgers fly across the country to have a I
don't know, five minute conversation that they're going in a
different direction. I mean, when you go back and listen
to that story, especially as Rogers tells it, it's hilarious.
It's hilarious to think that there was either I don't
know if it's ego or what do you want to
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call it, but the manner in which they dealt with Rogers,
who wanted to come back, wanted to play, and flew
across the country on his own dime to get to
know Arin Glenn and meanwhile the guy tells him like, yeah,
we're not interested in you within five minutes of the conversation.
And then this is what you roll out at the
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quarterback spot and how you handle the quarterback spot a
week after basically.
Speaker 5 (21:43):
Saying like this is your guy and you bench him
at halftime.
Speaker 3 (21:49):
I don't know that there's a worse disaster than the
Jets because I didn't have high expectations for them, but
they also have been worse in that regard. But they're
more a team that's like to your point, they're talented,
but they just can't seem to put it together. And
there was gonna be a little bit of a step
back this year on you because again some of the
concerns with the roster defensively, offensively.
Speaker 5 (22:13):
Up front, the line. But this has been way worse
than I think we anticipated.
Speaker 2 (22:20):
Well, I bet on the Jets this weekend. I'm ashamed
to admit it.
Speaker 4 (22:25):
I actually thought the Jets, if they were gonna get one,
it would be Carolina. Man, maybe a letdown for Carolina,
and they're so bad. I don't know what I was thinking.
And if you look at the rest of the way
for the Jets, I mean, you got the Brownies coming
up here in a couple of weeks, like maybe you
could get a win there. But I don't know, man,
I don't. I find it hard to see better than
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two and fifteen and first year Robert Salad had to
go last year, Aaron Rodgers had to go in the
off season, and yeah, this is this is what they
rolled out.
Speaker 2 (23:03):
It's terrible, man, that's hit.
Speaker 12 (23:04):
The chests are done.
Speaker 2 (23:06):
They're terrible.
Speaker 3 (23:07):
So mind you, I can't get over how well the
forty nine ers defense though, bet who's coached by Robert Slibeway.
How good they're playing without two of their stars. Yeah,
I mean, there there a job to evaluate talent, find
guys who can play in that system and who you know,
can ultimately succeed or at least execute that game plan.
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And the job he comes up with scheming teams is incredible.
And the Falcons were one of the more prolific offenses
in the NFL, and completely steimied them last night. No
Nick Bosa, no Fred Warner, no problem, Like I just
I don't know too many people. Too many people rode off,
you know, solid, which again a really good guy, like
felt like he just between Rogers getting their Terran's achilles,
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and then the next year just no patience went with
any of it.
Speaker 5 (23:58):
Just wild. It's wild, man.
Speaker 2 (24:00):
There's some really crappy teams out here, man, and I'll
tell you that.
Speaker 4 (24:04):
And LeVar picked the Jets to win the division. Unbelievable,
that's right.
Speaker 5 (24:08):
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Speaker 4 (24:18):
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Speaker 2 (24:32):
Good morning.
Speaker 12 (24:33):
What's going on, guy? How are you?
Speaker 4 (24:36):
We're good? I wanted to start you off with a
softball here if you don't mind. Worst team in the
NFL is who.
Speaker 12 (24:45):
The Jets. I don't think you will. I mean, look,
they're awful and it's not just the offense, but like
defentively they've been a little bit better, but they leave
the league in mistackles. I mean, that's for an Aaron
Glenn team. Give me a break. And then you got
a quarterback situation that's a mess. Doesn't matter who plays,
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they both are bad. You know, they didn't protect the
quarterback in the last two weeks, and they don't have
Garret Wilson's on the game. They don't have one receiver
who scares you one bit, and so you look at it,
it's just a mess, and they got a lot of
work to do. And look, is it possible they go
one and done with the head coach? It's possible. I
don't think you do that. I don't think you should
do that, but it's certainly looking like it's possible.
Speaker 5 (25:28):
Dang jeez, Pete. I mean the Titans aren't in that
conversation too.
Speaker 12 (25:35):
Well. I mean they got Will Levis two point zero
playing quarterback for him, so maybe they Is that a.
Speaker 5 (25:42):
Good thing or a bad thing? Because you're a big
Will Levis fan.
Speaker 12 (25:45):
No, Look, I just like to say that though, And
I work with ran cars on every Sunday, and I
sit there and you tell them and the same thing is.
The bottom line is Will Levis was just ripped the
shreds last year for a lot of things he did,
and rightfully so. But this guy's numbers are just a
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worse Dan Ward has been worse. And it's you know,
everybody always goes, well, what does he have? Well? What
did will Loves have? He didn't have anything either. And
so if I'm Tennessee and I drafted that guy first overall,
and granted and fairness.
Speaker 3 (26:19):
To him, he is a rookie, I mean that wasn't
Will Levis's rookie season last.
Speaker 12 (26:23):
Year, Okay, but you want to put will Levis's rookie
season on there, he was pretty darn good. I mean,
you know his numbers were better.
Speaker 3 (26:29):
So so you're basically saying that that they should be
playing Will Levis, like you weren't wrong.
Speaker 12 (26:34):
No, I'm saying it's a bad it's a bad situation
for whoever plays quarterback.
Speaker 5 (26:39):
And there you go.
Speaker 12 (26:40):
And so I think that's that's why we rushed, like
you always say, Brady, we rushed the judgments on these
quarterbacks and the situation matters, and that situation bad. It's bad.
It's a bad situation, but not worse than the New
York Jets. No, at least Kim gives the organization some hope.
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Does justin Fields or tyrod Tewler give you hope? No,
And I think the Jets were looking at it. Here
he's the Jets, and you look across and you see
the same you play the same stadium, and you see
the Jackson Dart doing what he's doing for the Jets.
For the Giants. Now, he's not great, but he's giving
him light and giving him some energy. Are you glad
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you drafted Membo when you did instead of taking a
quarterback because they went into the season Brady thinking maybe,
oh well, next year's quarterback class is going to be great,
is it? Is it great right now?
Speaker 5 (27:36):
I don't think right now? No, you're right not looking
as good right now?
Speaker 2 (27:39):
Thikes. I'll tell you who is looking good. Daniel Jones
is looking good. How you feel about this Colts team
right now? Pete, is it fools gold or are they
for real?
Speaker 12 (27:51):
I think it's for real, and I didn't believe that
until yesterday. I was one of those cynics doubters. Look
at their schedule and yeah, the Chargers are banged up,
but when you go out there and handle them the
way they do in your average and thirty three points
a game, they're for real. And Daniel Jones is playing
really good football. But Jonathan Taylor is playing great football.
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And the offensive line has been fantastic by the way.
You know, they let two guys walking free agency, Kelly
and Freeze, two veterans, and they put Bordolini and Conclaves
in there, and they've been better. The line's been better.
And when you have a good line is you find
out around this league like the Eagles are finding out,
you know that what it was like to have the
great line and difference between having an okay line. If
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you have a good offensive line, you're gonna run the ball.
You're gonna take the pressure off of the quarterback and
the quarterback can stand back there and make throws. And
Stikeen's done a great job of getting the ball down
the field the playmaker's hands. Your Penn State tight end
has been fantastic. Rookie Warren, you've been great.
Speaker 2 (28:50):
The best, right, Yeah, like almost like rookie of the
Year type action.
Speaker 12 (28:54):
He's been fantastic.
Speaker 2 (28:55):
Okay, Wow, there's something positive about Penn State this year,
you know, and.
Speaker 5 (29:00):
Be something better than a Mecca Buca. What's that he's bro,
He's better than a mecha.
Speaker 2 (29:08):
He's having some serious impact.
Speaker 12 (29:10):
Look, it's going to be a tight race. But but
he's definitely in the conversation. But I love what stiking
right now. Would be coach of the Year in the NFL.
I don't think there's any doubt about that.
Speaker 3 (29:18):
M all right, Pete, Oh go ahead, No, I was
just gonna ask him, how would you describe what happened
in the Giants Broncos game? Would that be a defensive
collapse or would you say it's a team loss there
for the Giants.
Speaker 12 (29:35):
That's a collapse. That's a choke. That's like sticking your
finger in your throat and yeaggging that's what that.
Speaker 5 (29:39):
Yeah. But but who are you put it on? You
put on the entire team or the defense, Pete.
Speaker 12 (29:45):
The entire team. I put it on the entire team.
Speaker 5 (29:47):
I mean the right would give Give that point to LeVar?
Give it to LeVar.
Speaker 2 (29:51):
That's all right, cue, Yeah, I got you know, make
your point. Go ahead, make your point.
Speaker 12 (29:55):
Pete's point, because I'll see if I might agree with him.
Speaker 2 (29:58):
No, No, I'm just saying already you just did.
Speaker 5 (30:01):
Yeah, you just did. We do this sometimes with you
on the show. We just don't tell you.
Speaker 2 (30:04):
Yeah, that's all.
Speaker 5 (30:05):
Yeah.
Speaker 12 (30:05):
Well, so the quarterbacks interception was horrible on third down.
You can't do that, you know that in that situation,
that game of life that gave him hope. They scored
thirty three points in the fourth quarter. I mean that
give me a break.
Speaker 5 (30:17):
And so that's where we felt like it was more
of a defensive letdown a little bit.
Speaker 12 (30:20):
You know what did you say?
Speaker 5 (30:22):
That's why I said it was more of a defensive letdown.
Speaker 12 (30:24):
So it's a combination of all of them. When you
give up an interception like that, Brady, that's terrible. But
here's the others. But you know what, at the end,
it was a defensive letdown because they went down and
got the go ahead points on a drive that if
you were if they would have won that game on
that drive, it would have talked it up to game
winning drive for Jackson Dart. He now has x amount
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of game winning drives. He threw one pass that was
completed for about fifteen yards, then got a personal found
for rough of the pass on that on that drive,
then got a what forty five yard pass interference penalty
on the drive, and then they scored the touchdown game
winning drive for Jackson Dart did one the game, give
me your parade. So and Sean Payton, by the way,
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he got one of the one of the great penalties
of all time because it was a half an inch
or a yard whatever it was. Remember when he came
out on the field complaining about the pay it was yeah.
And so then you let the defense did let him
down in that scenario because you got to can't allow
them to go down and get that field goal. So
it's a combination of both the interception, the collapse of
the defense, and you know, just some dumb things that
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they did in that game. And Denver wasn't great either,
by the way, but bo Nicks in the first half
through for eighty nine yards and was awful. And then
somehow in the fourth quarter it came alive. I don't understand.
It's the third game. He's done that, Pete.
Speaker 4 (31:41):
Do you think if Russell Wilson was starting for the
Giants that would have won that game?
Speaker 12 (31:46):
Hell? No, he would have thrown three picks by halftime
and they would have been buried. No, I mean, come on,
I mean, and did you see when Jackson dark hurt
his ankle and Russell Wilson got up and started warming up,
and every everybody like went over there, get up, get up,
Get up, Jackson, get up. But I have that guy
go back in there anymore.
Speaker 5 (32:05):
He's done amb Pete.
Speaker 2 (32:09):
What about Pittsburgh? They just took an al But how
are you How are you looking at Aaron Rodgers? How
are you looking at them? Are they fools gold or
are they? Are they legitimate contenders out of the AFC?
Speaker 12 (32:22):
I didn't think they were fools Gold until the other
day when that defense was horrible and you had a
team in the Bengals who went into that game had
not rushed one rushing play over thirteen yards on the
entire season and went in and ran it on them,
g just gaping holes. Then you look at the passing defense.
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Oh my god, Dalen Ramsey looked terrible the other night.
So you look at that secondary Darius Slay, Dalen Ramsey, old,
Chuck Clark. I mean, it's old and they played old
and that's a problem, and so it it'll be interesting.
They played Green Bay this week. It'll be interesting to
see if Mike Tomlin can get them to bounce back.
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By the way, they don't do a lot of things
on defense. You know in an era when you got
teams doing creative stuff on the back end. They're not
nearly as creative as some of the other teams. And
so I think they have a problem on defense the age,
combination with the fact that they're pretty predictable. You saw
what Jay said. They said they knew what they were doing.
Everybody knows what they're doing. They're the Steelers. They do
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the same thing, and so that's a problem. And by
the way, PJ. Watt is not a kid. Cam Hayward's
not a kid. They got they have age issues on
that defense.
Speaker 3 (33:35):
Gotta love Pete Prisco using agism as a way of
uh comments against the Steelers.
Speaker 12 (33:41):
Brady Brady.
Speaker 2 (33:42):
By the way, why how old.
Speaker 12 (33:44):
Are you right now? How old are you right now?
Speaker 5 (33:45):
I'll be forty one here surely?
Speaker 12 (33:48):
Okay, so you're eighty two. So you got me about
you got me. Don't worry about it because you're double
the years when you play football.
Speaker 3 (33:54):
Pete, if you don't mind, I would like to I
don't know if this is the best way of doing this,
but I'd like to read through a text conversation that
you know was maybe had at some point between you
and I Saturday night, because as most would would you know.
I don't know sure if they realize this or not,
but you are an Arizona State Sun Devil and you've
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got a love hate relationship with your school.
Speaker 5 (34:17):
And we won't get into the details of why that is.
Speaker 3 (34:20):
But I happen to reach out to you because Arizona
State is playing a top ten team in Texas Tech.
They look to be the best team in the Big twelve,
albeit without their starting quarterback, still good football team. And
I just happened to text you your boys are hanging tough.
And then you reply, just went forward on fourth and
two in his own end like an idiot, And I said, oh,
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I'm behind because I was traveling at this point. Just
gave them life. Please tell me he's going to Pennsas State.
Then you you got a spiral into this. You want
your coach gone. And then at the end of the
text conversation you text me that guy can flat out coach?
Can you talk me through your emotions? Turned the Ears
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on a state win over Texas to well.
Speaker 12 (35:06):
I was sitting watching the game with my wife and
we were having a few uh cocktails, and so I
was getting worked up a little bit because I was
he I think Kenny Dillingham's done a great job building
the program, but I think he lacks he lacks some
decision making on game day. And I've said it before
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to you, Brady, I don't.
Speaker 5 (35:29):
Have you.
Speaker 12 (35:29):
Don't back down, No, I I no believe that. Why
would you go forward to fourth to two in your
own end? It made no sense. It was a dumb decision,
and it nearly cost him the game. But having said that,
I think he's a great program builder and what he's
done there has been fantastic. So maybe, you know, allow
somebody else to influence his game time decisions a little
bit and they'll be fine, because I go back, I
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go back across the landscape me Yu at the end
of that game, what his game time decisions almost it
was it was a travesty. If you could, if you
could do what not to do at the end of
the game against by U last year, it would nearly
cost him the game. And it was a it was
a how not to that was terrible. Okay. Fourth and
they call time out. They call time out against Texas
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last year in the playoffs game, they show zero blitz,
they call time out, They come back out. What they
do they ran zero blitz again, golden up the field
for a touchdown. They lose the game Mississippi State. Late
in the game, zero blitz against the against the wide
receiver who I think runs like track times on the
in the one hundred meters. Lose the game. And then the
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other day he did that. So game time decisions bother me.
Program building I love, and I'm happy where they're at.
But if you continue to have bad coaching on game day,
you're going to have problems sustainable success to win big games.
That's all. That's all. That was, like the plaint, it
was fueled by a few did at the bar and
have a few cocktails and then so yeah, it was.
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It was a good experience.
Speaker 5 (36:56):
Love it, absolutely love it.
Speaker 2 (36:58):
It was a great guy conversation point huh for for it?
You basically just say you was faded, Pete, Yeah, you
was faded. You was faded in Texas? What you drink
a choice, Pete? During an Arizona steak gam.
Speaker 12 (37:10):
Uh, Tito's in Cranberry's what I was drawing?
Speaker 2 (37:15):
Light on the cran or heavy?
Speaker 12 (37:17):
Yeah, you know, but it depends. It was early in
the days, not early to day. But you know when
you day drinking, you're going heavy on the on the
on the tito.
Speaker 5 (37:25):
You got to go the light, ye, pizza.
Speaker 2 (37:27):
Cocktail guy, not a beer guy.
Speaker 12 (37:30):
I'm mixing a beer. No, I'll mixing some light beers here.
You got to change the pace every now.
Speaker 2 (37:34):
And you're a mi ult guy, aren't you.
Speaker 12 (37:37):
No, I'm a Miller like guy Miller.
Speaker 2 (37:39):
Okay, yeah, I want to give you Miller light though you.
Speaker 12 (37:41):
Look like, how about you, LeVar, what do you? Let's
hear your drinking choice. I can't wait for you.
Speaker 2 (37:46):
I have LeVar Allen's and I have Stic City Wheat
Citrus Ale. When I have them, that's that's what I do.
Speaker 12 (37:53):
Okay, and Brady is a court. Brady're going so I'm
gonna drink the highest and Scott you can find when
I have.
Speaker 3 (38:01):
I drink a bit of everything, drink a bit of
I will say this of the domestics, I'm not into
the Nicolaches. I've always called them that ever since Nicholas
Shan Jessica Simpson had that reality TV show, because you
would exclusively drink Miller Light. Uh, Bud Light not as
good as core as light my opinion, you know. And
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Mikeelo Ultras I only do after I work out because
I feel like that's what their commercials are. It's always
like people who are like working out or I remember
when they first came out, they're like running around the
track and I'm like, yeah, that's the first thing people do.
They like they go run around the track and go
run two miles and they're grabbing a michelob Ultras. But
it worked on me because every time I work out
and I'm like, I want to Michelo Ultra right now,
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I'll do agains.
Speaker 5 (38:44):
It just depends. I'm all over the place. I'll do
whatever what type against you.
Speaker 12 (38:49):
Just grab the closest bottle and start drinking.
Speaker 5 (38:52):
Oh yeah.
Speaker 3 (38:54):
Jonas Jonas is an i p A guy like rolling
rock too, roll a big rolling rock guy.
Speaker 12 (39:02):
Yeah, you're you're that guy that goes and gets skilled.
I'll have that pale l that you happened. Yes, it's
bad if I go to If I go to one
of those places and they don't have it like a
middle I'm leaving. Yeah, I'm not drinking. I'm not drinking
your I'm not drinking whatever they call it, the wheat barley,
you know, gimmes, uh mixed brew.
Speaker 5 (39:26):
Jonas Jonas is that cypers like, I'll have your local
I p A.
Speaker 2 (39:30):
You got to sample the goods, you know.
Speaker 5 (39:32):
Yeah, man, let's see what you.
Speaker 12 (39:33):
Got the little the little tray of like little samplers
where you get like five of them more and see.
Speaker 2 (39:38):
Whatever he's working with.
Speaker 4 (39:40):
I mean, LeVar is supposed to send us some of
this that's coming to you.
Speaker 12 (39:45):
No, it is, I just had got he promised and
didn't delivered.
Speaker 2 (39:50):
I'm gonna send you some too. I just got to
get a few things cleared up.
Speaker 4 (39:54):
I didn't want to ask you before we let you go,
Just for some further contacts.
Speaker 2 (39:58):
On a tweet you sent yesterday where.
Speaker 4 (39:59):
You wrote, quote, hey coaches, it's okay to take points
on fourth and seven?
Speaker 2 (40:05):
What was that was?
Speaker 12 (40:06):
That was in the morning game when Liam Cohne went
for a fourth and seven instead a kick in a
field goal. And now his twelve year old field goal
kicker had just missed about, you know, fourth grant kick,
and so he's got to start making his kicks. But
it was a point. It would have been a thirty
five yard field goal. You got to get points on this.
You gotta get points. It was twenty one nothing, but
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you got to get points. Make it twenty one three.
And he didn't. So he's not alone. And and so
I think these guys they got to they get too
caught up in the emotion of the game. Kick your
damn field goal. Make it twenty one three.
Speaker 5 (40:39):
Wow?
Speaker 2 (40:39):
What the great.
Speaker 4 (40:41):
Pete Prisco, senior NFL columnist for CBS Sports Analysts, sports.
Speaker 2 (40:49):
Coach he is Brady, Yeah, there is why are you
laughing at him?
Speaker 5 (40:54):
I think he's a good coach. I think his names
I think his name's coming up from other jobs right now.
Speaker 12 (41:00):
Hey, yeah, I know, I knew that. That's why I
said said State have them. No, I was just kidding.
Speaker 2 (41:06):
Don't like, don't be getting like, don't be doing that, Pete.
We don't do like sloppy seconds like that. Man, that's
not our deal.
Speaker 5 (41:12):
Man.
Speaker 2 (41:12):
You know, we're trying to We're trying to get things right.
Speaker 12 (41:15):
You have a guy who out the door, who can't
win three games in a row against fatis damn.
Speaker 2 (41:21):
I mean, challenge yourself a little bit more, Pete. I
mean that was a low hanging fruit there, bro, Like,
I mean, can you do a little better? You know,
like you want to kick you? You want to kick
me while I'm down. I thought we were friends, Pete,
we are friends.
Speaker 12 (41:33):
But you're not. You're not mad at Penn State. You
should be mad.
Speaker 2 (41:37):
I'm certainly not happy. I am not happy. I'm just
hoping you should defending I will always defend well, I'll
defend coach Franklin, I'll defend Penn Stated. I'm just a
defender of my school.
Speaker 5 (41:52):
That's all.
Speaker 12 (41:52):
Well, you know, what you can do. You can defend
them when you're watching the playoffs.
Speaker 2 (41:59):
At least.
Speaker 3 (41:59):
I actually, Pete Quick, let Jeremiah Love, I know you
hate taking running backs in the first round.
Speaker 5 (42:05):
Is he not a kid you take in the first round?
Speaker 12 (42:09):
I would take you about it at the back end.
O Jesus, by the way, Brady, and you're.
Speaker 5 (42:15):
Gonna let Kansas City get him? Is that what's gonna happen?
Speaker 12 (42:18):
They actually like the other Notre Dame running back more.
Speaker 5 (42:22):
Pick your poison, dude, pick your poison.
Speaker 2 (42:24):
Bout the way. There's lightweight like Brady Quinn palin on
me as well, like Pete Prisco like assassinates me and
my school just then, and then Brady jumps on. Oh,
by the way, while we're talking about it, no talk
to me about first round draft picks and running backs out.
He doesn't the one that Notre Dame like.
Speaker 3 (42:45):
What's what's what's funny is this is a long running
thing with Pete.
Speaker 5 (42:50):
Pete hates when teams draft running backs in the first.
Speaker 2 (42:52):
Round and they running state too, and Tron is still
balling out. He is still he's trying to win by himself.
Speaker 12 (43:02):
Seemingly the dock has gotten way up and he might
go ahead of the other guy of Heenn State. So
that's interesting to hear that. But yeah, Brady, I have
heard the running back the other the backup running back
at Notre Dame, and they love him, the NFL scouts.
Speaker 5 (43:14):
I wouldn't even call him a backup. I think they're
one A one d and I think that's how they
look at him.
Speaker 12 (43:18):
So, by the way, is our bet still we still
have that bet going on who wins more games. But
your schedule is joke.
Speaker 5 (43:25):
Because the big twelves of gon letting.
Speaker 12 (43:27):
Okay, well, I mean it's a little tougher than what
you what you got left on that schedule.
Speaker 5 (43:32):
I mean it's like, well, to your point, there's nothing left.
What was there was on a state have.
Speaker 12 (43:37):
Not much?
Speaker 5 (43:38):
Okay, thanks for coming out.
Speaker 2 (43:40):
Well, I will put Louisiana hot sauce on both y'all's teams.
Grill y'all up each we possibly could. We appreciate you.
We'll do it again next week.
Speaker 12 (43:49):
All right, guys, take care
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Speaker 2 (00:13):
What was the skit the Giants were putting together? Oh,
almost going to get you, almost going to get you,
almost going to get you, almost going to get your Oh,
I was going to get Joe, almost going to get
your almost going to get you.
Speaker 3 (00:25):
I don't know if it's almost gonna get you. I
mean that was an epic collapse. Your defense gives up
thirty three points in the fourth quarter, the most in
NFL history ever. I mean, this is what's cool about
a game like that is we have all those microphones
and like all this different sound that we're gonna get,
(00:46):
Like I don't know if it's a year from now
or ten years from now, would be like, hey, remember
that time the Giants absolutely collapsed and gave up thirty
three points, like nineteen nothing gave up thirty three in
the fourth quarter.
Speaker 4 (01:00):
I watching it happen, I'm looking at going, all right,
twenty six, sixteen, okay, had they get sixteen? And then
it was just they got the next one and Denver
takes the lead. And what makes it even worse is
that the Giants still somehow Someway figured out how to
get the lead back after that missed the extra point,
(01:24):
and then you knew it was just only a matter
of time they were going to give it up.
Speaker 2 (01:27):
Like you just knew. You watched it, like.
Speaker 4 (01:29):
They literally gave away that game twice in the fourth quarter,
and not like hey, chipping away in the third quarter
and then you get to the fourth quarter, you get No,
it was in the fourth quarter with not that much
time left and they completely melted down. That's a bad loss, man,
It's a really, really bad Not that they were going
(01:49):
to be a playoff team or anything, but it went
from man, huge statement win, go on the road, beat
the Broncos. You got a rookie quarterback, you got Camskataboo.
There's like feel good vine, they look good. I know
it's not a good I'm with you on it can't
be considered a good loss. Like I get that, I
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get that, the collapses epic, I get all of that.
Speaker 2 (02:14):
But they were playing their asses off for three quarters, man,
and they looked good for three quarters. It was impressive
for three quarters. And for three quarters you sat there
and you said, dang, like they were on a run.
And what I will say is, even though there isn't
a such thing as a great loss or good loss,
I will say that this is a different New York
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Giants team that we're watching play. It's not the one
where we sat there and we said it is day
Ball going to be able to keep his job. I
don't think you walk away from that game saying that
he's not adequate enough to beat you think so.
Speaker 3 (02:52):
I think there's people who are very, very frustrated Giants
fans because they're thinking to their selves, if this was
our coach, we don't give.
Speaker 5 (03:01):
Up thirty three points in the fourth quarter, we somehow
win God dang.
Speaker 2 (03:03):
But if it's not your coach, you're not up about
that many to begin with. I know it was an
epic collapse. I get it. I get it was a collapse,
but this is not. First of all, they wouldn't have
been able to put that many points up before, not
too long ago, not too long ago, they wouldn't have
been they made that way.
Speaker 5 (03:21):
That's because of Jackson Darton.
Speaker 2 (03:23):
All right, Well, I mean I don't think that they
would have been able to put those points up with
Russell Wilson I'm gonna say it.
Speaker 3 (03:30):
But that's the thing is they're not talking about They're
not talking about the coach the time, about the player.
Speaker 4 (03:36):
Russell Wilson's not even in the vicinity of playing. All
I'm saying, I can't get out of their line.
Speaker 2 (03:43):
All I'm saying is this is a different team. It
was a different team. They were almost on the three
game winning streak. It came to an end and in
a horrible manner. But that horrible manner wasn't They were
down thirty three the whole entire game and then went
down thirty three more. They were up, they gave it up.
I get it, but they were up by a lot
(04:05):
and they collapsed. It is what it is. I feel
like that's correct, correctible. What it is that one is?
That one is? I mean, you give us thirty three points.
That's an outlier to give up thirty three points in
any given quarter of a game in NFA, How it's.
Speaker 5 (04:20):
Ever happened before.
Speaker 3 (04:21):
It's like usually you don't survive this, right, Like that
was what it was advanced Joseph when he was with
the Dolphins and gave up however many points to Baltimore.
Speaker 5 (04:32):
They fired I think the end of the season.
Speaker 2 (04:36):
Like I, I, yeah, I don't know about you. How
do you overcome that though?
Speaker 4 (04:41):
Like, have you guys been a part of a game
where you gave up a lead like that kind of
anywhere close to that kind of lead, because.
Speaker 2 (04:49):
I was a part of a game where we came back,
but not that big of a deficit.
Speaker 3 (04:53):
Let me put it this way, like Damn Quinn and
the Atlanta Falcons, and I remember calling a game it's
probably a year or two after they had the twenty
eighty three collapse in the Super Bowl.
Speaker 5 (05:03):
And they did all these things to move on from.
Speaker 3 (05:07):
It, and I was like, I don't know if I
think if you're being real, you don't try to move
on from it. You literally have to just recognize what
it is, bring in some sort of psychologists toward counselor
and just say, look, we blew arguably the biggest lead
(05:30):
in the Super Bowl ever, Like we collapsed.
Speaker 5 (05:33):
We made a mistake.
Speaker 3 (05:34):
However you want to describe it, Like, instead of just
not talking about it or trying to avoid it or
saying that we're past it so many times to convince
yourself you are, instead of going that route, just be like, no, actually,
we were going to be motivated every single hour of
every day of the rest of our lives as NFL
players and coaches, because we had the worst collapse in
(05:57):
the Super Bowl anyone's ever seen, and it's gonna motivate
us to get back there. But instead they took this
different approach, and the approach ultimately ended up leading to
them like.
Speaker 5 (06:08):
Having a lot of finger pointing in the front office.
Speaker 3 (06:11):
And then it eventually, you know, Kyle Shanahan becomes the
head coach in San Francisco and Matt Ryan never kind
of plays quite up to the level he did it
with Shanahan, and you know, they end up moving on
from dan Quinn and.
Speaker 5 (06:23):
That's just how it ended up working out.
Speaker 3 (06:24):
And obviously dan Quinn's doing his thing with with Washington now,
but you know those moments, I don't I don't feel
like you move on from like I think if you're
real about it, like now, it's like every damn gonna
remind myself that we give up thirty three points in
the fourth quarter if I found part of that defense,
and like, that's that's part of our identity and until
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we rectify it, every single Giants fan is gonna be
like oh we're up, We're up three scores in the
fourth quarter, suite. I mean, we could always just give
up thirty three points and lose this game, because every
fan's gonna think it, every single person, then media.
Speaker 5 (06:56):
Is gonna think it.
Speaker 3 (06:58):
It's part of your identity now, So like I don't.
I don't think it's just like an outlier, like that
little guy. I don't worry about that little guy.
Speaker 2 (07:05):
Yeah, we just give up thirty three point thirty three points,
and I just don't. I don't see that happening. I
don't see that no quarter, I get that part. I
don't see it happening again.
Speaker 5 (07:19):
We're really gonna do this.
Speaker 2 (07:20):
It's really not going to happen again. I know it's
not gonna happen. It's more likely to me, in my estimation,
it's it's more likely for Philly to win a game,
or a team to win a game the way that
they did with that block field goal, picked up scoop
score and win the game than it is to see
a team score thirty three points and fourth quarter.
Speaker 4 (07:40):
But once is enough, Once is enough. You don't need
it to happen again. You do say demoralizing lost, because yeah,
you mentioned for three quarters, if you can go on
the road and win shut them out for three quarters,
if you can go on the road and win at
Denver against a team that's that a lot of people
think is the goods and going to be a playoff team. Look,
the conference station surrounding, the direction of the organization is
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completely different. Now you're looking around going what the.
Speaker 2 (08:05):
F was that? You can say they took their foot
off of the gas, and it's like that track runner.
Speaker 5 (08:12):
Actually they didn't. I mean they still scored points.
Speaker 2 (08:16):
They did thirteen fourteen, I don't know, but they did.
There's no other way to explain giving up it at large.
Speaker 3 (08:24):
Two touchdowns in the fourth quarter. You're gonna say they
took their foot off the gas. Yes, this is a
this is a defensive collapse. This isn't the offense Like
dart through a terrible pick that was part of it,
kind of sparked it. But outside of that, like, come on, man, Like,
if your offense is scoring a couple of touchdowns per quarter,
that's like way more than.
Speaker 2 (08:40):
The league offense. The nerve of you, if your offense
isn't keeping their offense off of the field, are you
st worry about them scoring.
Speaker 6 (08:50):
Are you're the only person in the ball the offense. Yeah,
I'm more the way, not the offense. Damn pot, go
get a penalty flag. Yet do what you always do,
get bailed out bout of revs. They did, actually did,
all right, we'll do it.
Speaker 2 (09:05):
Sean King got fifteen yards like they It was there
like ever, this.
Speaker 5 (09:13):
Was a defensive collapse.
Speaker 2 (09:15):
V want to say, it's okay, you can't lose this
any other way acause you can't give up a lead
like that and it not be a team A team deal,
a team deal. It's not one side of the bare
probably could have ran more time off the clock on
the touchdown that put him back up to thirty two
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or whatever it was like on the dirt. You never
convinced me that one side of the ball was the
reason why thirty three points of a deficit was a
race thirty two. You'll never You'll know, you'll never take
I've never never. You'll never convince me that that was
not a team effort. Sorry, you won't. What maybe one
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side of the ball played a little bit more, okay,
I mean they have a little bit more to blame,
all right, but but you need to tell me so
at no point in time.
Speaker 3 (10:05):
So at no point in time out of the one, two, three, four,
five possessions the Broncos had in the fourth quarter and
no point, you can just get one stop. I mean,
that's ultimately what they needed because their offense again scored
a couple of touchdowns like they did their part, and
no point of the five drives the Broncos had scoring
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touchdowns of four of them, could get a field goal
on the fifth. Are you serious like they couldn't even
stop a couple like a two point conversion.
Speaker 2 (10:34):
In there somewhere? I am did serious team effort. Team effort.
It takes to lose that big of a deficit. It
takes every scene some way, somehow, even special teams had
something to do with it. All three phases of the
game had something to do with this two extra points.
All three phases of the game had something to do
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with it.
Speaker 4 (10:56):
I mean, Coop, who is producing today, mister Bronco fan?
And were did you booze up while you were watching
that game? Were you about to Coop? Because you texted
me that you were stressed out? I think I lost
like ten years off my life watching that game.
Speaker 3 (11:14):
Now, Coop, would would you say it was a defensive
collapse or just team effort over there?
Speaker 5 (11:19):
Like, well, how do you say this?
Speaker 2 (11:20):
I would say it was mile high magic?
Speaker 3 (11:24):
Oh god, yeah, Now I know you're high, all right?
Speaker 4 (11:36):
I heard that that was all bow And if I'm high,
it's it's I'm high off of bocaine.
Speaker 2 (11:45):
Okay? Oh is that a thing they they roll with that?
Speaker 5 (11:48):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (11:49):
All right, snort some bocane, that's right. Yeah, why do
you have to snort it? Why couldn't you smoke it? Yes?
You could? You know if you wanted to, which one
did you do?
Speaker 5 (11:58):
Coop?
Speaker 2 (11:59):
Snort or smoke?
Speaker 1 (12:00):
Damn?
Speaker 2 (12:01):
Well, I think if you.
Speaker 7 (12:06):
I think he's smoking, then it's then it's more like.
Speaker 2 (12:09):
I mean, Lorena always jumps in on them moments. I
mean she does. It's to shine and yeah, it's just
so funny. How many and windows you guys drop? I
didn't drop, and you didn't you dropped it? There was
not one. I was just talking about a narcotic of
some sort being swallowed. That that was it. I mean
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it was up to you to.
Speaker 5 (12:35):
I mean you could also not jump in on it,
you know, you.
Speaker 2 (12:40):
Know what, because she jumped all the way into that.
Speaker 5 (12:44):
Yeah, I know you're putting us an awkward spot. How
are we supposed to act.
Speaker 2 (12:48):
That was a comeback from behind? Wait, hold on, it's
not me all right, Yeah, that's brutal.
Speaker 5 (13:00):
All right?
Speaker 2 (13:00):
Well, well, I mean I think that that's I can
settle in on agreeing with that. That's a brutal loss.
That is a hell of a plane ride back home
after losing that type of a game.
Speaker 5 (13:12):
Oh man, team loss.
Speaker 2 (13:14):
But I will say this. I will say this, if
I'm on that team and we lost, I wish the
offensive player would say some some crap like that out
of their mouth. I wish they would. You know, we're
gonna be moving, We're gonna be thumping on the plane.
Speaker 8 (13:28):
Yeah, I wish. I wish Brady Quinn will I wish
he would walk up on the second, the second blow.
I didn't like cas laughing after we lost. I ain't
understand it, ye, but I know a lot of people
laugh after.
Speaker 3 (13:45):
This is one of those moments where I don't know.
Maybe LeVar and the defense he didn't look in the mirror.
But if you don't stand up in front of the
team and go like that'll never happen again. No defense
is ever in the history any game, ever giving up
thirty three points in the fourth quarter. Ever, and by
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the way, wasn't like a pick six, you know, it
wasn't like Jackson.
Speaker 5 (14:09):
It wasn't one of those. It was a collapse, that's
what it was.
Speaker 4 (14:14):
And by the way, if I'm not mistaken, the only
at the highest scoring quarter in NFL history belonged to
the Lions. I think they scored thirty four in a
quarterback in seven.
Speaker 2 (14:24):
So like this is.
Speaker 7 (14:25):
Historic, you know, y'all be on, y'all al like acting
like like that's your knowledge that you're going to just
impart upon the listening audience.
Speaker 9 (14:36):
No point you have to look yourself in the mirror.
And you know that was the most pathetic two thousand
and seven. It was the Detroit Lions.
Speaker 2 (14:50):
And serves if your memory serves you correct, get that
out of here before your memory serve you correct before if
you're and your fingers, sir, you.
Speaker 4 (15:01):
Know, if my ears served me correctly, because I heard
that from Steve de Sager last night, I got that
from all right, Yeah, who.
Speaker 2 (15:09):
Needs AI when you got Steve Sager? I mean, when
you type as quick as Q types, you're not going
out doing on on debates concerning information from AI's and
it's not.
Speaker 5 (15:21):
Hard to find his fingers.
Speaker 2 (15:23):
The article his finger tell you historic.
Speaker 5 (15:27):
Historic, defensive class and by the.
Speaker 2 (15:30):
Way, fingers are historic crowd quick, defensive collapse. And I
don't like your your your voice in my ear with
that type of tone right now, so early and defensive
colad just it's like it's like in I don't know.
Speaker 4 (15:44):
And by the way, you know, you're the Giants next
week agonizing at the Eagles, and you know, after what happened,
what a couple of weeks ago, Philly's going.
Speaker 2 (15:55):
To chew their ass up and spit them out.
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Speaker 4 (16:42):
Congratulations to the Cleveland Browns. Big win for the Brownies.
And the other side of that story is the Miami
Dolphins are a bucket of puke. Mike McDaniel, their head coach,
spoke not only about three straight losses for the club,
but also putting his house up for s own job
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security afterwards.
Speaker 11 (17:06):
Three losses in this league in a row are always tickets.
Speaker 5 (17:10):
Toll you.
Speaker 11 (17:12):
You honestly get to see across the board. Uh, you know,
the the people that you're working with, and we're professionals
that need need to do our jobs better.
Speaker 5 (17:24):
Tape never lies.
Speaker 11 (17:26):
Find it very offensive to all parties involved. If I'm
thinking about having the job, I need to be doing
my job. So for as long as a coach for
the Miami Dolphins in this organization, they'll get everything from me.
Speaker 2 (17:44):
And I'll probably be coaching like another hour, dang two hours. Uh,
it just this.
Speaker 4 (17:51):
It feels like him and Tua both lost the locker room.
And I just don't see how this gets better. I
just this feels like that's a team that's gonna be
picking real high up in the draft, coming up next
to April.
Speaker 2 (18:06):
Well, I know, I knew it got like kind of bad.
I just didn't know losing to Cleveland like that was
as bad as as the Dolphins have have fallen. I mean,
I hate, I hate for it to sound like that
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because Cleveland isn't a horrible team. They just aren't a
They're just not a good team. And so for them
to have that type of showing against Miami who, I mean,
for for.
Speaker 5 (18:40):
What is worth?
Speaker 2 (18:41):
Why why are they struggling so bad? Like, have we
pinpointed why they're struggling so bad?
Speaker 3 (18:49):
A good offensive line defensively have struggled, I don't know
that consistently run the football?
Speaker 5 (18:53):
Well, uh yeah, I would kind of summarize it.
Speaker 2 (18:57):
It just I thought this was a team that was
a competitive team, like what less than two years ago,
and you think.
Speaker 5 (19:07):
They'd be competitive in the FCO.
Speaker 2 (19:08):
I thought they would be. I told you, guys, I
thought they would finish second place. I thought that coming
into this season, there was a strong possibility that the
Miami Dolphins would be good enough to finish second place
in their division, second behind obviously Buffalo, Like who else,
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who else? I mean, I wouldn't have put the Patriots
in there, and I and hell I wouldn't. I just
I felt like that, I mean, we're not going to
put the Jets in there. I just I just felt
like they were going to be the second team in
that that division. I don't know, I didn't feel like
that was a reach. Man.
Speaker 4 (19:51):
They're bad. They're worse than that, you know what. I
know what I wonder what was Darren Waller thinking, m
I just stay retired, dude, Like it's not even worth,
not even worth the trouble to go and play for
that team. Yeah, they're they're bad. The Patriots look and
Drake May looks great, and you know, they got a
(20:12):
big win yesterday. The Jets are the Jets and the
Dolphins are. The Jets are worse than I thought they'd be.
The Dolphins are bad, and I thought they'd be bad.
So at least they're living up decks. Well, are they
worse than your bad?
Speaker 2 (20:25):
See? They're worse than beat right now? To me, Like
that game May yesterday, that was a bad game.
Speaker 5 (20:31):
The Jets are a whole different conversation.
Speaker 3 (20:33):
Like the Jets and the fact that Aaron Glenn scoffed
at a media member for asking the question about going
to Rod Taylor. Meanwhile, they benched fields at halftime and
put into Rod Taylor this week. I mean, you can't
make this stuff up. And this is a team and
this is a head coach, mind you who literally had
(20:56):
Aaron Rodgers fly across the country to have a I
don't know, five minute conversation that they're going in a
different direction. I mean, when you go back and listen
to that story, especially as Rogers tells it, it's hilarious.
It's hilarious to think that there was either I don't
know if it's ego or what do you want to
(21:18):
call it, but the manner in which they dealt with Rogers,
who wanted to come back, wanted to play, and flew
across the country on his own dime to get to
know Arin Glenn and meanwhile the guy tells him like, yeah,
we're not interested in you within five minutes of the conversation.
And then this is what you roll out at the
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quarterback spot and how you handle the quarterback spot a
week after basically.
Speaker 5 (21:43):
Saying like this is your guy and you bench him
at halftime.
Speaker 3 (21:49):
I don't know that there's a worse disaster than the
Jets because I didn't have high expectations for them, but
they also have been worse in that regard. But they're
more a team that's like to your point, they're talented,
but they just can't seem to put it together. And
there was gonna be a little bit of a step
back this year on you because again some of the
concerns with the roster defensively, offensively.
Speaker 5 (22:13):
Up front, the line. But this has been way worse
than I think we anticipated.
Speaker 2 (22:20):
Well, I bet on the Jets this weekend. I'm ashamed
to admit it.
Speaker 4 (22:25):
I actually thought the Jets, if they were gonna get one,
it would be Carolina. Man, maybe a letdown for Carolina,
and they're so bad. I don't know what I was thinking.
And if you look at the rest of the way
for the Jets, I mean, you got the Brownies coming
up here in a couple of weeks, like maybe you
could get a win there. But I don't know, man,
I don't. I find it hard to see better than
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two and fifteen and first year Robert Salad had to
go last year, Aaron Rodgers had to go in the
off season, and yeah, this is this is what they
rolled out.
Speaker 2 (23:03):
It's terrible, man, that's hit.
Speaker 12 (23:04):
The chests are done.
Speaker 2 (23:06):
They're terrible.
Speaker 3 (23:07):
So mind you, I can't get over how well the
forty nine ers defense though, bet who's coached by Robert Slibeway.
How good they're playing without two of their stars. Yeah,
I mean, there there a job to evaluate talent, find
guys who can play in that system and who you know,
can ultimately succeed or at least execute that game plan.
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And the job he comes up with scheming teams is incredible.
And the Falcons were one of the more prolific offenses
in the NFL, and completely steimied them last night. No
Nick Bosa, no Fred Warner, no problem, Like I just
I don't know too many people. Too many people rode off,
you know, solid, which again a really good guy, like
felt like he just between Rogers getting their Terran's achilles,
(23:52):
and then the next year just no patience went with
any of it.
Speaker 5 (23:58):
Just wild. It's wild, man.
Speaker 2 (24:00):
There's some really crappy teams out here, man, and I'll
tell you that.
Speaker 4 (24:04):
And LeVar picked the Jets to win the division. Unbelievable,
that's right.
Speaker 5 (24:08):
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Speaker 4 (24:18):
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Speaker 2 (24:32):
Good morning.
Speaker 12 (24:33):
What's going on, guy? How are you?
Speaker 4 (24:36):
We're good? I wanted to start you off with a
softball here if you don't mind. Worst team in the
NFL is who.
Speaker 12 (24:45):
The Jets. I don't think you will. I mean, look,
they're awful and it's not just the offense, but like
defentively they've been a little bit better, but they leave
the league in mistackles. I mean, that's for an Aaron
Glenn team. Give me a break. And then you got
a quarterback situation that's a mess. Doesn't matter who plays,
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they both are bad. You know, they didn't protect the
quarterback in the last two weeks, and they don't have
Garret Wilson's on the game. They don't have one receiver
who scares you one bit, and so you look at it,
it's just a mess, and they got a lot of
work to do. And look, is it possible they go
one and done with the head coach? It's possible. I
don't think you do that. I don't think you should
do that, but it's certainly looking like it's possible.
Speaker 5 (25:28):
Dang jeez, Pete. I mean the Titans aren't in that
conversation too.
Speaker 12 (25:35):
Well. I mean they got Will Levis two point zero
playing quarterback for him, so maybe they Is that a.
Speaker 5 (25:42):
Good thing or a bad thing? Because you're a big
Will Levis fan.
Speaker 12 (25:45):
No, Look, I just like to say that though, And
I work with ran cars on every Sunday, and I
sit there and you tell them and the same thing is.
The bottom line is Will Levis was just ripped the
shreds last year for a lot of things he did,
and rightfully so. But this guy's numbers are just a
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worse Dan Ward has been worse. And it's you know,
everybody always goes, well, what does he have? Well? What
did will Loves have? He didn't have anything either. And
so if I'm Tennessee and I drafted that guy first overall,
and granted and fairness.
Speaker 3 (26:19):
To him, he is a rookie, I mean that wasn't
Will Levis's rookie season last.
Speaker 12 (26:23):
Year, Okay, but you want to put will Levis's rookie
season on there, he was pretty darn good. I mean,
you know his numbers were better.
Speaker 3 (26:29):
So so you're basically saying that that they should be
playing Will Levis, like you weren't wrong.
Speaker 12 (26:34):
No, I'm saying it's a bad it's a bad situation
for whoever plays quarterback.
Speaker 5 (26:39):
And there you go.
Speaker 12 (26:40):
And so I think that's that's why we rushed, like
you always say, Brady, we rushed the judgments on these
quarterbacks and the situation matters, and that situation bad. It's bad.
It's a bad situation, but not worse than the New
York Jets. No, at least Kim gives the organization some hope.
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Does justin Fields or tyrod Tewler give you hope? No,
And I think the Jets were looking at it. Here
he's the Jets, and you look across and you see
the same you play the same stadium, and you see
the Jackson Dart doing what he's doing for the Jets.
For the Giants. Now, he's not great, but he's giving
him light and giving him some energy. Are you glad
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you drafted Membo when you did instead of taking a
quarterback because they went into the season Brady thinking maybe,
oh well, next year's quarterback class is going to be great,
is it? Is it great right now?
Speaker 5 (27:36):
I don't think right now? No, you're right not looking
as good right now?
Speaker 2 (27:39):
Thikes. I'll tell you who is looking good. Daniel Jones
is looking good. How you feel about this Colts team
right now? Pete, is it fools gold or are they
for real?
Speaker 12 (27:51):
I think it's for real, and I didn't believe that
until yesterday. I was one of those cynics doubters. Look
at their schedule and yeah, the Chargers are banged up,
but when you go out there and handle them the
way they do in your average and thirty three points
a game, they're for real. And Daniel Jones is playing
really good football. But Jonathan Taylor is playing great football.
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And the offensive line has been fantastic by the way.
You know, they let two guys walking free agency, Kelly
and Freeze, two veterans, and they put Bordolini and Conclaves
in there, and they've been better. The line's been better.
And when you have a good line is you find
out around this league like the Eagles are finding out,
you know that what it was like to have the
great line and difference between having an okay line. If
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you have a good offensive line, you're gonna run the ball.
You're gonna take the pressure off of the quarterback and
the quarterback can stand back there and make throws. And
Stikeen's done a great job of getting the ball down
the field the playmaker's hands. Your Penn State tight end
has been fantastic. Rookie Warren, you've been great.
Speaker 2 (28:50):
The best, right, Yeah, like almost like rookie of the
Year type action.
Speaker 12 (28:54):
He's been fantastic.
Speaker 2 (28:55):
Okay, Wow, there's something positive about Penn State this year,
you know, and.
Speaker 5 (29:00):
Be something better than a Mecca Buca. What's that he's bro,
He's better than a mecha.
Speaker 2 (29:08):
He's having some serious impact.
Speaker 12 (29:10):
Look, it's going to be a tight race. But but
he's definitely in the conversation. But I love what stiking
right now. Would be coach of the Year in the NFL.
I don't think there's any doubt about that.
Speaker 3 (29:18):
M all right, Pete, Oh go ahead, No, I was
just gonna ask him, how would you describe what happened
in the Giants Broncos game? Would that be a defensive
collapse or would you say it's a team loss there
for the Giants.
Speaker 12 (29:35):
That's a collapse. That's a choke. That's like sticking your
finger in your throat and yeaggging that's what that.
Speaker 5 (29:39):
Yeah. But but who are you put it on? You
put on the entire team or the defense, Pete.
Speaker 12 (29:45):
The entire team. I put it on the entire team.
Speaker 5 (29:47):
I mean the right would give Give that point to LeVar?
Give it to LeVar.
Speaker 2 (29:51):
That's all right, cue, Yeah, I got you know, make
your point. Go ahead, make your point.
Speaker 12 (29:55):
Pete's point, because I'll see if I might agree with him.
Speaker 2 (29:58):
No, No, I'm just saying already you just did.
Speaker 5 (30:01):
Yeah, you just did. We do this sometimes with you
on the show. We just don't tell you.
Speaker 2 (30:04):
Yeah, that's all.
Speaker 5 (30:05):
Yeah.
Speaker 12 (30:05):
Well, so the quarterbacks interception was horrible on third down.
You can't do that, you know that in that situation,
that game of life that gave him hope. They scored
thirty three points in the fourth quarter. I mean that
give me a break.
Speaker 5 (30:17):
And so that's where we felt like it was more
of a defensive letdown a little bit.
Speaker 12 (30:20):
You know what did you say?
Speaker 5 (30:22):
That's why I said it was more of a defensive letdown.
Speaker 12 (30:24):
So it's a combination of all of them. When you
give up an interception like that, Brady, that's terrible. But
here's the others. But you know what, at the end,
it was a defensive letdown because they went down and
got the go ahead points on a drive that if
you were if they would have won that game on
that drive, it would have talked it up to game
winning drive for Jackson Dart. He now has x amount
(30:45):
of game winning drives. He threw one pass that was
completed for about fifteen yards, then got a personal found
for rough of the pass on that on that drive,
then got a what forty five yard pass interference penalty
on the drive, and then they scored the touchdown game
winning drive for Jackson Dart did one the game, give
me your parade. So and Sean Payton, by the way,
(31:05):
he got one of the one of the great penalties
of all time because it was a half an inch
or a yard whatever it was. Remember when he came
out on the field complaining about the pay it was yeah.
And so then you let the defense did let him
down in that scenario because you got to can't allow
them to go down and get that field goal. So
it's a combination of both the interception, the collapse of
the defense, and you know, just some dumb things that
(31:27):
they did in that game. And Denver wasn't great either,
by the way, but bo Nicks in the first half
through for eighty nine yards and was awful. And then
somehow in the fourth quarter it came alive. I don't understand.
It's the third game. He's done that, Pete.
Speaker 4 (31:41):
Do you think if Russell Wilson was starting for the
Giants that would have won that game?
Speaker 12 (31:46):
Hell? No, he would have thrown three picks by halftime
and they would have been buried. No, I mean, come on,
I mean, and did you see when Jackson dark hurt
his ankle and Russell Wilson got up and started warming up,
and every everybody like went over there, get up, get up,
Get up, Jackson, get up. But I have that guy
go back in there anymore.
Speaker 5 (32:05):
He's done amb Pete.
Speaker 2 (32:09):
What about Pittsburgh? They just took an al But how
are you How are you looking at Aaron Rodgers? How
are you looking at them? Are they fools gold or
are they? Are they legitimate contenders out of the AFC?
Speaker 12 (32:22):
I didn't think they were fools Gold until the other
day when that defense was horrible and you had a
team in the Bengals who went into that game had
not rushed one rushing play over thirteen yards on the
entire season and went in and ran it on them,
g just gaping holes. Then you look at the passing defense.
(32:43):
Oh my god, Dalen Ramsey looked terrible the other night.
So you look at that secondary Darius Slay, Dalen Ramsey, old,
Chuck Clark. I mean, it's old and they played old
and that's a problem, and so it it'll be interesting.
They played Green Bay this week. It'll be interesting to
see if Mike Tomlin can get them to bounce back.
(33:05):
By the way, they don't do a lot of things
on defense. You know in an era when you got
teams doing creative stuff on the back end. They're not
nearly as creative as some of the other teams. And
so I think they have a problem on defense the age,
combination with the fact that they're pretty predictable. You saw
what Jay said. They said they knew what they were doing.
Everybody knows what they're doing. They're the Steelers. They do
(33:26):
the same thing, and so that's a problem. And by
the way, PJ. Watt is not a kid. Cam Hayward's
not a kid. They got they have age issues on
that defense.
Speaker 3 (33:35):
Gotta love Pete Prisco using agism as a way of
uh comments against the Steelers.
Speaker 12 (33:41):
Brady Brady.
Speaker 2 (33:42):
By the way, why how old.
Speaker 12 (33:44):
Are you right now? How old are you right now?
Speaker 5 (33:45):
I'll be forty one here surely?
Speaker 12 (33:48):
Okay, so you're eighty two. So you got me about
you got me. Don't worry about it because you're double
the years when you play football.
Speaker 3 (33:54):
Pete, if you don't mind, I would like to I
don't know if this is the best way of doing this,
but I'd like to read through a text conversation that
you know was maybe had at some point between you
and I Saturday night, because as most would would you know.
I don't know sure if they realize this or not,
but you are an Arizona State Sun Devil and you've
(34:14):
got a love hate relationship with your school.
Speaker 5 (34:17):
And we won't get into the details of why that is.
Speaker 3 (34:20):
But I happen to reach out to you because Arizona
State is playing a top ten team in Texas Tech.
They look to be the best team in the Big twelve,
albeit without their starting quarterback, still good football team. And
I just happened to text you your boys are hanging tough.
And then you reply, just went forward on fourth and
two in his own end like an idiot, And I said, oh,
(34:42):
I'm behind because I was traveling at this point. Just
gave them life. Please tell me he's going to Pennsas State.
Then you you got a spiral into this. You want
your coach gone. And then at the end of the
text conversation you text me that guy can flat out coach?
Can you talk me through your emotions? Turned the Ears
(35:03):
on a state win over Texas to well.
Speaker 12 (35:06):
I was sitting watching the game with my wife and
we were having a few uh cocktails, and so I
was getting worked up a little bit because I was
he I think Kenny Dillingham's done a great job building
the program, but I think he lacks he lacks some
decision making on game day. And I've said it before
(35:26):
to you, Brady, I don't.
Speaker 5 (35:29):
Have you.
Speaker 12 (35:29):
Don't back down, No, I I no believe that. Why
would you go forward to fourth to two in your
own end? It made no sense. It was a dumb decision,
and it nearly cost him the game. But having said that,
I think he's a great program builder and what he's
done there has been fantastic. So maybe, you know, allow
somebody else to influence his game time decisions a little
bit and they'll be fine, because I go back, I
(35:51):
go back across the landscape me Yu at the end
of that game, what his game time decisions almost it
was it was a travesty. If you could, if you
could do what not to do at the end of
the game against by U last year, it would nearly
cost him the game. And it was a it was
a how not to that was terrible. Okay. Fourth and
they call time out. They call time out against Texas
(36:13):
last year in the playoffs game, they show zero blitz,
they call time out, They come back out. What they
do they ran zero blitz again, golden up the field
for a touchdown. They lose the game Mississippi State. Late
in the game, zero blitz against the against the wide
receiver who I think runs like track times on the
in the one hundred meters. Lose the game. And then the
(36:33):
other day he did that. So game time decisions bother me.
Program building I love, and I'm happy where they're at.
But if you continue to have bad coaching on game day,
you're going to have problems sustainable success to win big games.
That's all. That's all. That was, like the plaint, it
was fueled by a few did at the bar and
have a few cocktails and then so yeah, it was.
(36:55):
It was a good experience.
Speaker 5 (36:56):
Love it, absolutely love it.
Speaker 2 (36:58):
It was a great guy conversation point huh for for it?
You basically just say you was faded, Pete, Yeah, you
was faded. You was faded in Texas? What you drink
a choice, Pete? During an Arizona steak gam.
Speaker 12 (37:10):
Uh, Tito's in Cranberry's what I was drawing?
Speaker 2 (37:15):
Light on the cran or heavy?
Speaker 12 (37:17):
Yeah, you know, but it depends. It was early in
the days, not early to day. But you know when
you day drinking, you're going heavy on the on the
on the tito.
Speaker 5 (37:25):
You got to go the light, ye, pizza.
Speaker 2 (37:27):
Cocktail guy, not a beer guy.
Speaker 12 (37:30):
I'm mixing a beer. No, I'll mixing some light beers here.
You got to change the pace every now.
Speaker 2 (37:34):
And you're a mi ult guy, aren't you.
Speaker 12 (37:37):
No, I'm a Miller like guy Miller.
Speaker 2 (37:39):
Okay, yeah, I want to give you Miller light though you.
Speaker 12 (37:41):
Look like, how about you, LeVar, what do you? Let's
hear your drinking choice. I can't wait for you.
Speaker 2 (37:46):
I have LeVar Allen's and I have Stic City Wheat
Citrus Ale. When I have them, that's that's what I do.
Speaker 12 (37:53):
Okay, and Brady is a court. Brady're going so I'm
gonna drink the highest and Scott you can find when
I have.
Speaker 3 (38:01):
I drink a bit of everything, drink a bit of
I will say this of the domestics, I'm not into
the Nicolaches. I've always called them that ever since Nicholas
Shan Jessica Simpson had that reality TV show, because you
would exclusively drink Miller Light. Uh, Bud Light not as
good as core as light my opinion, you know. And
(38:22):
Mikeelo Ultras I only do after I work out because
I feel like that's what their commercials are. It's always
like people who are like working out or I remember
when they first came out, they're like running around the
track and I'm like, yeah, that's the first thing people do.
They like they go run around the track and go
run two miles and they're grabbing a michelob Ultras. But
it worked on me because every time I work out
and I'm like, I want to Michelo Ultra right now,
(38:44):
I'll do agains.
Speaker 5 (38:44):
It just depends. I'm all over the place. I'll do
whatever what type against you.
Speaker 12 (38:49):
Just grab the closest bottle and start drinking.
Speaker 5 (38:52):
Oh yeah.
Speaker 3 (38:54):
Jonas Jonas is an i p A guy like rolling
rock too, roll a big rolling rock guy.
Speaker 12 (39:02):
Yeah, you're you're that guy that goes and gets skilled.
I'll have that pale l that you happened. Yes, it's
bad if I go to If I go to one
of those places and they don't have it like a
middle I'm leaving. Yeah, I'm not drinking. I'm not drinking
your I'm not drinking whatever they call it, the wheat barley,
you know, gimmes, uh mixed brew.
Speaker 5 (39:26):
Jonas Jonas is that cypers like, I'll have your local
I p A.
Speaker 2 (39:30):
You got to sample the goods, you know.
Speaker 5 (39:32):
Yeah, man, let's see what you.
Speaker 12 (39:33):
Got the little the little tray of like little samplers
where you get like five of them more and see.
Speaker 2 (39:38):
Whatever he's working with.
Speaker 4 (39:40):
I mean, LeVar is supposed to send us some of
this that's coming to you.
Speaker 12 (39:45):
No, it is, I just had got he promised and
didn't delivered.
Speaker 2 (39:50):
I'm gonna send you some too. I just got to
get a few things cleared up.
Speaker 4 (39:54):
I didn't want to ask you before we let you go,
Just for some further contacts.
Speaker 2 (39:58):
On a tweet you sent yesterday where.
Speaker 4 (39:59):
You wrote, quote, hey coaches, it's okay to take points
on fourth and seven?
Speaker 2 (40:05):
What was that was?
Speaker 12 (40:06):
That was in the morning game when Liam Cohne went
for a fourth and seven instead a kick in a
field goal. And now his twelve year old field goal
kicker had just missed about, you know, fourth grant kick,
and so he's got to start making his kicks. But
it was a point. It would have been a thirty
five yard field goal. You got to get points on this.
You gotta get points. It was twenty one nothing, but
(40:27):
you got to get points. Make it twenty one three.
And he didn't. So he's not alone. And and so
I think these guys they got to they get too
caught up in the emotion of the game. Kick your
damn field goal. Make it twenty one three.
Speaker 5 (40:39):
Wow?
Speaker 2 (40:39):
What the great.
Speaker 4 (40:41):
Pete Prisco, senior NFL columnist for CBS Sports Analysts, sports.
Speaker 2 (40:49):
Coach he is Brady, Yeah, there is why are you
laughing at him?
Speaker 5 (40:54):
I think he's a good coach. I think his names
I think his name's coming up from other jobs right now.
Speaker 12 (41:00):
Hey, yeah, I know, I knew that. That's why I
said said State have them. No, I was just kidding.
Speaker 2 (41:06):
Don't like, don't be getting like, don't be doing that, Pete.
We don't do like sloppy seconds like that. Man, that's
not our deal.
Speaker 5 (41:12):
Man.
Speaker 2 (41:12):
You know, we're trying to We're trying to get things right.
Speaker 12 (41:15):
You have a guy who out the door, who can't
win three games in a row against fatis damn.
Speaker 2 (41:21):
I mean, challenge yourself a little bit more, Pete. I
mean that was a low hanging fruit there, bro, Like,
I mean, can you do a little better? You know,
like you want to kick you? You want to kick
me while I'm down. I thought we were friends, Pete,
we are friends.
Speaker 12 (41:33):
But you're not. You're not mad at Penn State. You
should be mad.
Speaker 2 (41:37):
I'm certainly not happy. I am not happy. I'm just
hoping you should defending I will always defend well, I'll
defend coach Franklin, I'll defend Penn Stated. I'm just a
defender of my school.
Speaker 5 (41:52):
That's all.
Speaker 12 (41:52):
Well, you know, what you can do. You can defend
them when you're watching the playoffs.
Speaker 2 (41:59):
At least.
Speaker 3 (41:59):
I actually, Pete Quick, let Jeremiah Love, I know you
hate taking running backs in the first round.
Speaker 5 (42:05):
Is he not a kid you take in the first round?
Speaker 12 (42:09):
I would take you about it at the back end.
O Jesus, by the way, Brady, and you're.
Speaker 5 (42:15):
Gonna let Kansas City get him? Is that what's gonna happen?
Speaker 12 (42:18):
They actually like the other Notre Dame running back more.
Speaker 5 (42:22):
Pick your poison, dude, pick your poison.
Speaker 2 (42:24):
Bout the way. There's lightweight like Brady Quinn palin on
me as well, like Pete Prisco like assassinates me and
my school just then, and then Brady jumps on. Oh,
by the way, while we're talking about it, no talk
to me about first round draft picks and running backs out.
He doesn't the one that Notre Dame like.
Speaker 3 (42:45):
What's what's what's funny is this is a long running
thing with Pete.
Speaker 5 (42:50):
Pete hates when teams draft running backs in the first.
Speaker 2 (42:52):
Round and they running state too, and Tron is still
balling out. He is still he's trying to win by himself.
Speaker 12 (43:02):
Seemingly the dock has gotten way up and he might
go ahead of the other guy of Heenn State. So
that's interesting to hear that. But yeah, Brady, I have
heard the running back the other the backup running back
at Notre Dame, and they love him, the NFL scouts.
Speaker 5 (43:14):
I wouldn't even call him a backup. I think they're
one A one d and I think that's how they
look at him.
Speaker 12 (43:18):
So, by the way, is our bet still we still
have that bet going on who wins more games. But
your schedule is joke.
Speaker 5 (43:25):
Because the big twelves of gon letting.
Speaker 12 (43:27):
Okay, well, I mean it's a little tougher than what
you what you got left on that schedule.
Speaker 5 (43:32):
I mean it's like, well, to your point, there's nothing left.
What was there was on a state have.
Speaker 12 (43:37):
Not much?
Speaker 5 (43:38):
Okay, thanks for coming out.
Speaker 2 (43:40):
Well, I will put Louisiana hot sauce on both y'all's teams.
Grill y'all up each we possibly could. We appreciate you.
We'll do it again next week.
Speaker 12 (43:49):
All right, guys, take care
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