October 21, 2025 • 39 mins
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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Speaker 3 (00:54):
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it's definitely not and not the Tampa Bay Buccaneers. After
last night oh boy, yeah, oh boy. Listen, I would
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like to apologize to the Detroit Lions organization.
Speaker 4 (01:32):
I might have I'm going to second that with Seattle.
Speaker 2 (01:36):
I might have overrated my thought that the coordinators in
Detroit had on that team specifically on defense, because damn man,
they look pretty good and it seems like the same
old Lions despite the loss of an OC and a DC,
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and they're just rolling along. Jamior Gibbs just ran wild
last night. Tampa's banged up, but.
Speaker 5 (02:03):
I would actually make the case the defense is better,
I mean in all honesty, which looking at the Jets
operation right now, yeah, okay, that makes some sense. Struggling mentally,
but with all the injuries they've endured, fired how well
they're playing, like, with all the injuries to their secondary,
it's pretty remarkable.
Speaker 4 (02:23):
I got to restate what I said. I'm not apologizing
to Seattle.
Speaker 5 (02:29):
That's right, don't apologize.
Speaker 4 (02:30):
I'm apologizing to the Houston Texan fans for saying that
the Houston Texans would actually have a bounce back a
year and be good this year. I'm sorry, and I
apologize to y'all because y'all go, yeah, it ain't gonna
well for Houston this year. It don't look good at all.
Speaker 2 (02:49):
A look, why did they move on from Bobby Sloak again?
Why was that the move they decided to make. I
know that you know he had the one year he's
being interviewed for head coaching jobs. The next year they
decide that's a rap? Why did they get rid of
Laramie Tunsel? Like I just they're just you watch them
on off ench you go what is this?
Speaker 4 (03:08):
What is it? What is it like?
Speaker 2 (03:11):
It's nowhere close to what CJ. Stroud was his rookie year. Well,
and how does that happen? How do you like Q
as a quarterback? If they found succes that's what you
one year? How do they lose to success with you
the next year?
Speaker 6 (03:27):
Like?
Speaker 4 (03:27):
What what happens? What goes into that?
Speaker 5 (03:30):
Well, there's a number of things. I think the first
is so slow It and CJ. Stroud together, Right, we
hadn't seen slow a call games and we hadn't really
seen Stroud. So after the first year, every single divisional
opponent is going to watch you. They're going to watch
you know what your strengths and weaknesses are. Well, that
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could be coverage dependent, it could be a rush dependent
and different things they do. So there there's a book out,
and clearly after his rookie year, which was a phenomenal year,
teams have adapted and adjusted to him. Now they haven't
had a consistent running game to help support him. The
protection's been not as good either. I mean, I think offensively,
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we'd admit that they've struggled. Although the interesting thing you
go back to that rookie year, they had guys, I mean,
Tank Dell was out of his mind, but you know,
eventually he got hurt, like there was a bunch of
injuries at the wide receiver position if my memory's correct.
So they were able to overcome all of this adversity.
You know what's happened since then. It's hard to put
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your finger on it unless you're in that locker room.
But you know, when I watch, I see again lack
of creativity. It looks like they're struggling just to find
production at times. And you know, again, I'm not sure
if you put that on the staff, if you put
on some of the struggles of CJ. Stroud not developing
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or continuing to continuing to develop. But this is a
team that's really plate owed platoad right, now, like I
just I don't know, you know, if you look at
the division that we had a lot of questions about
Trevor Lawrence, but the pairing with Liam Cohen has worked
out for the most part. I mean, they struggled this
past week, but this season, by and large, like Trevor
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Lawrence looks a lot better. It seems to like kind
of leading his team. They look like one of the
top teams. The pairing of Shane Stikeen and Daniel Jones,
We've talked about that at length. In that same division,
it doesn't appear like whatever they're doing offensively is working
and they need to figure out, you know what this
is moving forward, because you're getting to that point too
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where you're looking at CJ. Stroud saying like, Okay, you know,
is he our long term guy, like the long, long,
long term guy, which I think is the talent ability
to be that. But last night, you know, it's a
combination of the Texans lack of offense, but also I
think we're under we're understanding how good the Seahawks defense
has been start to to this point right now, their
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defense has been awesome, and that's how they build up
this Ross and his team, and they are one of
the better defenses in the NFC.
Speaker 4 (06:10):
It's going to be fun watching Seattle moving forward. I
screwed that one up. I did you guys.
Speaker 5 (06:17):
Wanted me to like recap what happened this week in
our picks against the spread?
Speaker 4 (06:20):
Or do you want me to wait till like money line?
The Texans? They totally be me. They boned you.
Speaker 5 (06:27):
You all said the Bucks that one getting six points
Jonas you missed the Bucks as well, and then you
had the Texans against the spreads. I'm also missed that.
Speaker 2 (06:36):
Why do we have to point out everybody's flaws there
in the opening?
Speaker 4 (06:39):
But how he sets it up, you know this, how
he sets it up to go last, go ahead? What
what did you do? Brady six and bed? You just
got to know how Brady rolls. He's a horrible winner,
the horrible winner. What you knew You knew that was
coming because he threw it out there so quickly.
Speaker 5 (06:59):
You know that's right. Week seven of the NFL Picks
against the spread, Jonas Knox are one four, LeVar Arrington
one and five, mister Quinn six and oh this now
leads us to an overall record of Jonas Knox nineteen
and eighteen, just a bit above five hundred. LaVar Arrington
now creeping closer to five hundred at twenty six and
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twenty one, and mister Quinn at thirty and eleven. That's
a seven thirty one win percentage, wiping the floor of
the two pros and I covered Joe picks against the
spread them up.
Speaker 2 (07:33):
Oh you co sona. Yeah, this is disgusting. If you
ask me, I just the little humility would go a
long way on this show. And LeVar and I have
held a bar into the margain. Yeah.
Speaker 4 (07:42):
Absolutely, we've been super humble. You know, it's all good.
Speaker 5 (07:47):
You know, every dog just reacted last week when when
Jonas I don't remember that. I don't remember that being.
Speaker 4 (07:55):
He won one percent was a horrible winner one hundred,
I will.
Speaker 5 (07:59):
Say that though LeVar, I don't know what's happened the
last two weeks. But LaVar is two and eleven. This
has been an odd skid for you.
Speaker 4 (08:06):
Well, it's when when reasoning and logic are are fleeting.
You know, it's it's it's just you guys have have
now become better because you know, logic is out the door.
Speaker 5 (08:19):
You know, I don't know, maybe you're a streaky guy.
That's kind of how you live your life is streaky.
I'm pretty like the three weeks prior you were balling
at five and one.
Speaker 4 (08:29):
Yeah, because that's it was still sensible. Like my, my, my,
My predictions are sensible, the outcomes are not.
Speaker 2 (08:38):
Yeah, you were on the right side of it, the results,
I'm on.
Speaker 4 (08:41):
The right side of the pics.
Speaker 5 (08:43):
You're kind of feast or famine.
Speaker 4 (08:44):
I'm with you. I am a feast or famine guy.
Speaker 5 (08:47):
You're all out.
Speaker 4 (08:48):
Yeah, that's that's what it sounds like.
Speaker 5 (08:51):
Jonas has just been consistently not good. That's what.
Speaker 7 (08:54):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (08:55):
But here's the thing. I get up and I answer
the bell every time I'll be here.
Speaker 5 (08:59):
There's something you said for that. Yeah, yeah, I get that.
It's very relatable too.
Speaker 2 (09:03):
You know, I can take a pun.
Speaker 5 (09:04):
Not Hey, you're not great at this, but I'm gonna
keep getting up and.
Speaker 4 (09:07):
Just doing it. That's like him doing that show on
Sunday night before he comes in here. What you mean
by that bad bad I'm not even going to expand
on that. He no need to. I was going to
stay home this Monday, though. I was like, you know what,
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I was watching you on the on the TV. I
was like, I'm gonna get up and go. I was tired.
I was traveling.
Speaker 5 (09:35):
You when you watch him on that show, do you
do you watch just to like bring in material for Monday.
Speaker 2 (09:42):
If I'm being honest, if you're bringing material form that show,
you got bigger problems.
Speaker 5 (09:46):
I say stuff to you about it.
Speaker 4 (09:48):
I watched most of the games on mute, and when
it comes out of the game and goes into his show,
it's still on mute, so I don't hear anything he says.
Just see him with his hand in his pocket.
Speaker 5 (10:02):
Playing pocket pull over.
Speaker 4 (10:04):
There Amy standing there with his hand in his pocket.
I mean, I'll be talking to me, talking to the
camera or to TV, like Joe, to take your hand
out of your pocket, am I put it? Like put
it on your microphone, Cross, put it on your microphone.
Like you put your hand in your pocket.
Speaker 2 (10:23):
It's a hand it's a handheld mic, and but you
hold it with both hands. Bro, I'm going to hold
the mike with both hands. Yeah, what am I a toddler?
It's it's like television etiquette. You It's like I didn't
want to say this, but it's like a one hundred
percent no note to put your hand in your pocket
when you're in like a full full length you know, framing.
Speaker 4 (10:46):
The game has changed, bro, No it has not us. No,
it has all right, I changed it. Having your hand,
you'd be playing with your dollar bills up in there. Dollar,
He'll put his whole hand up in there. He does,
got like his two fingers up in there, like he's
like he's like he's rubbing.
Speaker 2 (11:06):
His Yeah, dollar, Phil's what you mean.
Speaker 4 (11:11):
I don't know.
Speaker 2 (11:12):
We use pa Oh no, so uh, I know we're
gonna ask Dean Blandido about some of what happened in
the NFL coming up an hour three. So I swear
to god, I don't understand what happened on the kate
out and catch and not catch and first down And
I don't.
Speaker 4 (11:32):
I really, I don't get you.
Speaker 5 (11:34):
You're the way you're freezing it is. It did look
to be more of uh it was a molette. Is
that he pronounced his last name the DV for Detroit.
It looked like he had the ball as they came
to the ground more but it looked like simultaneous possession,
which is supposed to go to the offense. I don't
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Here's what's odd about that is obviously it was ruled
a catch, and then New York buzzes in because it's
below two minutes, which it looked shady the entire process,
because I have no idea how you overturn that into
an interception like there was. There was nothing on replay,
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nothing that made you think that it wasn't simultaneous possession.
I mean, did it look like they both had their
arm in there on the balls that came, Yes, I
mean it didn't look like one player had the ball
that much more than the other, So I don't I mean,
hopefully Dean has a response for it. It's I'm telling you, man,
it is wild the way New York gets involved with
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some of these calls and they make these decisions, and
it's kind of flown under the radar because and what
surprised me is every single year Dean and Mike Pereira
have always said to us that the NFL doesn't want
to take away the control of the officials on the field.
That's why they don't want to make two changes. One
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everything's reviewable, and then two to basically reofficiate the play.
Like every single play that's reviewed, they take into account
what the call was on the field, so there's a
burden of proof that you have to have in order
to overturn that, like in this instance with a Kotten
catch that turned into an interception, Like I don't know
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what they saw that we were all looking at that
made them change that call shouldn't have been the case.
That was wild. But again, like for some reason, the
NFL is slowly implementing this into how they're handling every
basically call in most of these games, it's pretty wild.
Speaker 2 (13:42):
Baker Mayfield had some thoughts because he was not He
was not thrilled during the game with the officiating and
had some thoughts.
Speaker 7 (13:49):
After all, it's still pretty damn confused about the double review.
Speaker 5 (13:53):
A lot of things in that game that was a.
Speaker 7 (13:55):
Little questionable, But there's a lot of frustration at the
end of that and it might be just placed on
the John Hussey in the moment. But that's I work
my ass off and I put a lot into this game.
So when things that I don't seem are deemed fair,
I'm gonna let somebody know. And that's good, bad, and different.
Speaker 2 (14:14):
I want to ask Blandino this, and I don't know
what his answer is going to be. So I'm curious,
but has officiating been worse this year in previous years?
And I don't do well, I don't know if I
don't know if it is or if it's just because
of the invention of social media and so many people
having opinions and there being so many different camera angles
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and so many like like, is it always been this suspect,
or is this year worse? And it just feels like
there's a lot like the TJ. Hawkinson no catch in
the Eagles Vikings game. I don't like it was rule
to catch. There clearly wasn't enough there to overturn it.
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If you just watch the play and they still overturned it,
don't get it. I just I don't know what. And
so I'm curious to see if he and I know
they get graded and I don't know how much he
can get into that, but I'm curious to see if
it's gotten worse this year or if there's just more
people voicing their opinion because of you know, gambling, fan bases,
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fantasy football, all the other things that.
Speaker 4 (15:19):
Come along with it. I don't know, but we'll find
out when he comes on.
Speaker 5 (15:23):
You know, what do you think it is?
Speaker 2 (15:24):
Well?
Speaker 4 (15:25):
I just think referees have always been a necessary evil
to suck like there there there's never been, well not
in context. What I'm saying is is there's never going
to ever be a year where you're like, year at
a referee, like they did amazing job, like they call
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it the games the right way. They were handled the
right way. Like referees have always been a necessary and
a present, you know, nuisance as a defense. They're just
you know, they're there to make your life miserable and
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you have to do your job within those miserable circumstances
of them managing the game for the offense, especially if
the offense ain't no good and you got to manage
it a little bit more, and then there you go.
There you have it. It's not like like the bottom
line is you're not going to have a game without referees.
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Like this has been something that I've thought about many
times to side around my house and I was like,
I wonder if there were no referees, how would the
game go?
Speaker 5 (16:37):
Oh, hold on, hold on, hold on, we need to
paint the picture here. So you're sitting around your house
or you're drinking something, like what are you doing exactly
why are you doing exactly.
Speaker 4 (16:46):
I was probably sitting on my big red couch back then.
I was sitting on my big red couch, and I
was probably watching TV on my big screen TV with
my big clunky entertainment system back then when and TVs
actually had backs to them and stuff like that. Yeah,
you had to send them in those big ass entertainment
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systems and you could put like I had all my
helmets and footballs on there and stuff like that. Anyway,
I'd be sitting there on the couch and I'd be like, huh, like,
I got fined fifteen g's this week. Wonder if we
didn't have any referees, how would that look? While I
was probably watching a rerun replay of a game. Yeah,
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that's probably what it was. I could see how I
got fined there. Huh, there we go. Okay, up, yep,
there's another one. So there you go. That's how I
used to sit. And then I'd say to myself, well,
if there was no ref there and I got no
personal foul call or no you know, whatever the rough
roughing or whatever it may be that I was associated with,
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I was just playing the game, and I was like,
you know, if there were no refs there. We could
go back to doing things like Deacon Jones, like DC
Jones would give guys concussions to get around them, like
just air hold them, slap them, head slap. You know,
you could do them like Mail Blunt. They called him
Bone for a reason. You know, just be running down.
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You know you're not going to get the ball, but
then you casually just creep up on him and close lining,
literally close lining and take him to the ground. You know,
I used to sit there and think, I was like,
you know what, They built the popularity of this sport
on our backs and then had the nerve, the nerve
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to start acting soft and acting like something was wrong.
When people came around to the idea that concussions were real,
head traumas was real. Oh you mean we can't use
these highlights. Go back to the highlights of the late
eighties the early nineties when they were bringing you into
a game or giving you a promo for a Sunday's game.
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Go back to those promos, go back to the highlights
from there. Most of the dudes that are in the
Hall of Fame right now, especially on defense, wouldn't even
be there because they would be legislated out of the
game for for how the game is played now. You know.
Speaker 5 (19:14):
It's a good point. And what's also interesting about that
is like the dudes used to walk different back then
because they were taking some serious hits, like the offensive guys.
Speaker 4 (19:23):
You're coming my way with that. I definitely have the
bad walk.
Speaker 5 (19:27):
I was gonna say, like all the all the older
guys have that bad back walk. And yeah, their their
spine was being constantly compressed time they hit or got hit,
so they got that like old man kind of pigeon
toed shuffle back there, hunched over a little bit. I
mean sometimes, well the bet well yours always gets me
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every time? Is it kind of looks like a t
rex because you bring your arms up and they're in
tight but they don't.
Speaker 4 (19:55):
Like someone he's ready to f somebody up. That's honestly,
God's true. I always keep my arms in position to.
Speaker 5 (20:04):
I'll never forget South Florida. That shuffle, that walk that morning,
that was that was it all till your trousers are
falling off?
Speaker 4 (20:12):
Yeah they were, they might have been.
Speaker 5 (20:15):
I was. I was so happy. I was just like,
I was just glad that you were you were there.
But then it was just like seeing the whole thing.
I was like, he still got it in it, man,
he's he's a GOERU guys did that.
Speaker 4 (20:28):
I could not believe I did that. But but it
also it ultimately comes back to if you're going to
do it, still be accountable to the team. Scaky like,
don't don't just miss because you went. You are in
the paint right.
Speaker 5 (20:43):
Yeah. Yeah, man, it was great. I just love seeing it.
It's like, hey, it's getting window into that time.
Speaker 2 (20:48):
You guys, remember there was also right next door there
was a construction company. Yeah, it was sort of a
compe conference and they're just they're stepping out looking at us,
going what's happening?
Speaker 5 (21:01):
Some dudes at a table behind like a sheet behind a.
Speaker 4 (21:05):
Curtain, pretending to walk play. We weren't even supposed to
be there. The second the last day we were there,
we weren't even supposed to be. They were like there Macimie.
He's like ola, We're like no, no, no, there's nothing better.
Speaker 5 (21:24):
On a remote show where he had like literally nothing
to do. He always would walk around and like look busy,
and it's like it's not like it's not like a
super Bowl when he's actually got a set up and
all that stuff. He literally does nothing on those remotes. Besides,
you know, I actually say compared to when he's in
the studio, it's entirely different. But he would just like
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walked back and forth, kind of rip farts and then
go find coffee, staying out.
Speaker 2 (21:51):
And the people in the construction conference were like, what
is happening. Levar's got this giant chain on leather pants.
Speaker 5 (21:58):
We faded still you'd have leather pants that do sound wild?
Speaker 4 (22:03):
Yeah, it was bad. It was bad.
Speaker 5 (22:07):
Far as Yeah, far As well that night was Yeah.
That all depends though, Oh that really depends on what
on what Brady well, and we'll speak of depends depending.
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Speaker 2 (23:21):
Right now you have a talk bring them in with
Dean Blandino. Fox Sports, Hey, hey, bring Dane in NFL
college football rules analysts.
Speaker 4 (23:34):
Bring them in.
Speaker 2 (23:36):
You get them on X if you dare to at
Dean Blandino.
Speaker 4 (23:39):
Hey, hey, hey, bring them in.
Speaker 2 (23:42):
Dean, good morning, and you did.
Speaker 6 (23:46):
How excited? How excited you guys can't when you hear
that music, It's so good.
Speaker 4 (23:52):
It's good. We're trying to stay in character here, No,
I know.
Speaker 6 (23:57):
The Godfather impressions were pretty impressive bringing I'm going to
having nightmare.
Speaker 2 (24:06):
Hey, I had, I had training for one of the best.
Speaker 5 (24:10):
That was really goody.
Speaker 6 (24:14):
Oh, yeah, I forgot that the godmother, you're having a stroke?
What's going on?
Speaker 7 (24:21):
You never?
Speaker 3 (24:24):
Oh my gosh, Hey hey, hey, hey hey, come here
for a second.
Speaker 4 (24:33):
Bean.
Speaker 6 (24:35):
Uh Now, I think you like outside a white conversion
van with pinted windows.
Speaker 2 (24:45):
Indeed, I want to ask you this. It's kind of
a general question. I don't know if there's a way
to if there are numbers to support this. But and
this could be just because of social media, just because
of the number of camera angles, like what we're able
to see nowadays. But do you feel like officiating this
year is worse than it's been because it feels like
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there's more conversation about either miss calls. And I don't
know if that's just from how many people are watching
now and so there's more coverage of it. But what's
your read on how the officiating crews have done this year,
maybe as opposed to years in the past.
Speaker 6 (25:22):
Yeah, I think that's that's something that I think we're
going to live with every year. I think the scrutiny
and the technology and how we how we evaluate and
critique officials is so much greater than it was, and
so I think that narrative that that team is going
to be every year. I think you're going to hear
here's some of that. I do listen. I mean, and
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maybe this is just recency bias, but I like watching
the game last night the Lions. You know that I
didn't think that was a well officiated game, you know,
And I do feel like there's been some I think
replay the struggling in New York to some extent with
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some of these deals. I mean, you watched the couple
of plays last night, Dan Campbell challenges and they look
at it and they're like, oh wait, we got to
go back and look at it again. And and so
you know, the game is, game gets faster. I don't
know if the officials are are better or worse than
they were two years ago, five years ago, ten years ago,
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but it does feel like we're struggling in some areas
and and uh, you know, and you gotta you know,
we're not always the early season. Everybody's kind of you know,
preseason isn't great. You're kind of getting where we're going
into what now we gate it's it's uh, I think
we got to like buckle up a little bit.
Speaker 7 (26:47):
Dean.
Speaker 5 (26:48):
On that note, you know, we talked about the interception
by Mollette Away What I heard you pronounce it k
what was originally a Kate reception? First off, how did
you see that play? And then help me understand how
New York and I understand I guess the time of
the game and all that, but help me understand. Are
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the mechanics still the same where there has to be
a certain burden of proof from the angles that you
have for New York to overturn a call. But they're
still taking into consideration the call that was on the field, right,
they're not reofficiating the play.
Speaker 6 (27:24):
Yeah, that's that's the standard. That's been the guiding principle,
that you're not reofficiating the play going, Okay, what do
we think it's? The ruling on the field is this,
And we need to see something clear that jumps out
that says it's not that and it needs to be changed.
And that was you know, if I had to reofficiate
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the play, I'd probably lean interception. But they ruled to
catch Otten right. I had his hands on it. I
mean they were both fighting for it. The tie goes
to the receiver. I didn't think it was necessarily a
simultaneous catch, but but it certainly was close, and I
didn't see enough to overturn that. And that's one of
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those deals where and I learned that the hard way
in my own experience making decisions is I don't have
to just convince myself. The burden of proof is Okay,
I can show this video to one hundred people and
they would go, oh, yeah, absolutely, look I see it. Yep,
clearly that's an interception. And I just didn't think that
was the case.
Speaker 5 (28:25):
So I guess just to follow up on that, then
how do they make that call and explain to me
simultaneous possession. Then my understanding of that is like if
both players go up for it kind of like they
did that, it really just has to be both of
them have possession of it as they go to the ground,
as the place stops.
Speaker 6 (28:46):
Yeah, so yeah, something's possession has to be and it's
rare that you see, but everything has to happen at
the same exact time. Like both players get control at
the same time. They both have to main that control.
If one player loses it even for a split second, right,
so they have to make exact same time get control.
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They both have to maintain that control all the way
to the end of in that instance them going to
the ground. Most of the time it's kind of the
you know, because it's so hard at full speed, officials
are going to you know, survival of the fit is
who and who ends up with it. That's typically what
they're going to rule unless they you know, they saw
something you know different, but so so that's that simultaneous possession.
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Like I said, you can make a case that maybe
that was it, but again this I think whoever's making
that decision is using a I think standard versus what
I can actually prove standard and it's not an I
think standard, And I think that's what's happening in some
of these instances.
Speaker 4 (29:49):
Dan Baker Mayfield had some strong criticisms coming the way
of officials. It made me wonder, like, you know, guys
immediately get get fine, whether it's a coach, whether it's
a player, and doing so, like what what does that like,
you know, where did that come from? What does that achieve?
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Like you can you could probably criticize another coach, get
away with it. You could criticize another player from the
other team, get away with it. But if you say
anything about officials, it's like you're going to get a
real stiff penalty coming your way based off of that?
Why was that established? Was it just you know, based
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upon don't question the calls, just just deal with it,
Like where do you have an idea where that even
came from? The whole finding rect to this?
Speaker 6 (30:43):
Well, you know, it goes back before my time. But
I think that's pretty It's standard, and that's across all sports,
and I get it. I get it to some extent
where you want to maintain the credibility of your officials.
You don't want players to just be able to coaches
or whatever, to just be able to say whatever they want,
because because I think that that you can take it
too far. I do think that we've you know, it's
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you guys know it's better than me. It's an emotional
game at that level, especially Bigger's coming off a tough loss.
There weren't look there was you know, there was a
tripping call. They missed on a big you know, it's
a big drive at the end of the game, should
have been a first down. He's frustrated and he speaks
his mind, and yeah, we'll probably will be a fine
because that's the policy. I do. You know, I do
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think that there's a way. You know, I don't think
the league should every time somebody mentioned officiating. I think
you can. You can do it thoughtfully and do it
without being you know, disrespectful. It's just it's a tough deal.
And uh, you know, I would imagine they're gonna They're
probably gonna find them. You know. They suspended Drake Greenlaw
for for going after the official after the game in Denver,
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which was crazy, which no one even knew about until yesterday,
and they announced it and then the videos are popping
up on social media. So I get protecting the officials
and protecting their credibility, but also on the other side,
and I lived this, the league goes too far in
terms of isolating and insulating the officiating and not being transparent.
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And that's a problem because then people are going to
be like, you know, what is going on, and then
you get the conspiracy theories and you get all the
other stuff that we see.
Speaker 2 (32:24):
He is Dean Blandino joining us here on Fox Sports Radio,
Fox Sports NFL college football rules analysts with us here
on Two Pros and a Cup of Joe. So one
of the things that you mentioned this and kind of
alluded to it was, is there enough to overturn it?
And I think that's a really fair way to look
at some of these close calls, whether you're watching you know,
major League Baseball, and there's a play at second base
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or a play at the Plate's like, yeah, but is
there enough there to overturn it? Even if it looks
slightly like you could, is there enough there? And I
say all that to say this, what did they see
in the TJ. Hawkinson catch and then no catch that
made them overturn that call? Because I cannot find any
angle anywhere where it looks like there was enough there
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to overturn a touchdown catch to an incomplete pass.
Speaker 6 (33:13):
Yeah, you know, And I was we were watching the
game before, we were watching red Zone before our game
in Dallas and watching that play, and it was and
we all said, look, we're up in the boothrom like,
that's too close. You know, it did my I think
what they saw was Hogginson's going to the ground. As
he hits the ground, he kind of starts to roll
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over and the ball touches the ground, and then they
ruled that it came loose at that point. He still
has to hold on to it when he hits the ground.
I just thought that was another one. And again it's like,
is the evidence, you know, eighty five percent, ninety percent,
even ninety nine point nine percent, it's got to be
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one hundred percent. And so to me, that was just
one of those where if everybody is questioning why why, why?
Then how can it be clear and obvious? Right? And
unless it's just a rule thing that people don't understand,
But that wasn't the case. And again it's just that's
and obviously, you know he was frustrated, and rightfully so.
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But and I've made those I've lived that when I
early in my career, where I could convince myself of
something and then I try to explain it to people.
I go, man, I'm explaining this for ten minutes, how
would that jump out player? And obvious?
Speaker 5 (34:32):
It just isn't.
Speaker 6 (34:32):
And I think that's that's part of the issue right now.
Speaker 5 (34:36):
All right, I've got one for you. Because so much
is made of the toush push and the play everything else. Well,
what was interesting this week though, is we saw Christian
McCaffrey with that game sealing touchdown versus Atlanta on Sunday night,
getting pulled into the end zone. And so I guess
my question is because I think what was that. Terry
McCauley came on later said that it should have been
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helping the runner, which is illegal, Like so we can't
we can push it, we can't pull him. I mean,
at what point do we kind of just draw the line,
like why are we able to keep that rule in
the playbook even though we can't officiate the push or
we couldn't so we changed it, but we can officiate
the poll like it just it's like it should be
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all in or all out on aiding the run. Is
that the easiest way we could do this?
Speaker 6 (35:22):
Agree? This is all This goes back to like mid
two thousands when and look it hasn't been called, and
it was like the fish was like, it's so tough.
You got a pile, who's you know? Are you pushing
the pile? Are you pushing your teammate? Are you pushing
the runner? And so they got rid of the push language.
But but it's lift if a runner is on the
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ground and you come and lift him up off the
ground or you pull him to gain additionally yards, that's
still remained a foul in the rule book. It hasn't
been called in the NFL since like the ninety three
or night, I don't even know. So it's it's something that, yes,
it is hard, but there are a lot of things
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out there that are hard to or difficult to officiate.
So I don't think that's the reason. To me, it's
just put it in, you know, in terms of all
the all the push to pull, all the aiding the runner,
just take it out with put the rule rule book
language in teach the officials call it a couple of times,
and yeah, you're going to call that once at the
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goal line, and now you go from a touchdown to
you know whatever it is, second and goal at the twelve.
That's that's teams won't won't do it, and that's that's
the hope that they can get it done in the
off season.
Speaker 4 (36:36):
How many variations of the same type of calls? Like
do you get complaints on like weekly? Like is it
new variations or is it all the same? Like how
does it come your way? In terms of questions you're asked,
because I mean, in theory, there can only be so
many things that could take place within the parameters of
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a gang, right, Like do do you find yourself getting
a wide array of a perspective on how calls are
being made and how officiating is taking place, or is
it a narrow like is it a more narrow scope
of these plays are jacked up or holding or pass
interference that you know, stuff like that.
Speaker 6 (37:20):
Well, I go back to when I was at the
league office and we get coaches questions and each team
could submit up to ten questions and you would get
it and you would go through it, and the majority
of questions from clubs was about holding offensive holding, because
it is very subjective. There's there's you know, the old
thing you call holding on every play. I don't think
that's true, but there is an opportunity to call holding
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on every play because offensive linemen use their hands and
grab and do different things, so that looked like holding,
and so offensive holding was always the most frequent question.
I think as an analyst and people that text me
and ask questions, I think pass different this is always something,
even offensive past difference. I think that's something that people,
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even and the officials. It's the most missed call every
year you do an analysis, and the one the official
struggle with most historically is offensive past difference because it's
so hard, because it's the deep is the defender initiating
the contact, is the receiver running around? Is the receiver
you know, is the receiver extending the arms? All needs
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to push off all these different things. So it is
I get questions about everything. But typically when my phone
blows up, it's like usually the big stuff that people
are like, what the heck is going on? Like last
night with you know, the ott and play and then
the challenge where they went back and looked at it again,
those types of things. But it does, it does kind of.
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I get a lot. It's a smorts sport.
Speaker 2 (38:53):
He used the great Dean Blandino, Fox Sports NFL College
football rules analyst, get him hunt.
Speaker 4 (38:59):
At mortgage.
Speaker 2 (39:02):
Dean tremendous is always. We appreciate it.
Speaker 4 (39:07):
I have a great day, you have a great date day.
Speaker 6 (39:13):
I'll leave you guys with a challenge for the rest
of your time on the air today. How many times
can you say smortgage board?
Speaker 2 (39:18):
Okay, a mortgage Well, that is a challenge even saying it. Dean,
we appreciate it. We'll do it again next week. There
is a great Dean Blandino with us here on Fox
Sports Radio.
Speaker 5 (39:30):
By the way, that's a word you're going to stay
away from Huhard
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it's definitely not and not the Tampa Bay Buccaneers. After
last night oh boy, yeah, oh boy. Listen, I would
(01:29):
like to apologize to the Detroit Lions organization.
Speaker 4 (01:32):
I might have I'm going to second that with Seattle.
Speaker 2 (01:36):
I might have overrated my thought that the coordinators in
Detroit had on that team specifically on defense, because damn man,
they look pretty good and it seems like the same
old Lions despite the loss of an OC and a DC,
(01:57):
and they're just rolling along. Jamior Gibbs just ran wild
last night. Tampa's banged up, but.
Speaker 5 (02:03):
I would actually make the case the defense is better,
I mean in all honesty, which looking at the Jets
operation right now, yeah, okay, that makes some sense. Struggling mentally,
but with all the injuries they've endured, fired how well
they're playing, like, with all the injuries to their secondary,
it's pretty remarkable.
Speaker 4 (02:23):
I got to restate what I said. I'm not apologizing
to Seattle.
Speaker 5 (02:29):
That's right, don't apologize.
Speaker 4 (02:30):
I'm apologizing to the Houston Texan fans for saying that
the Houston Texans would actually have a bounce back a
year and be good this year. I'm sorry, and I
apologize to y'all because y'all go, yeah, it ain't gonna
well for Houston this year. It don't look good at all.
Speaker 2 (02:49):
A look, why did they move on from Bobby Sloak again?
Why was that the move they decided to make. I
know that you know he had the one year he's
being interviewed for head coaching jobs. The next year they
decide that's a rap? Why did they get rid of
Laramie Tunsel? Like I just they're just you watch them
on off ench you go what is this?
Speaker 4 (03:08):
What is it? What is it like?
Speaker 2 (03:11):
It's nowhere close to what CJ. Stroud was his rookie year. Well,
and how does that happen? How do you like Q
as a quarterback? If they found succes that's what you
one year? How do they lose to success with you
the next year?
Speaker 6 (03:27):
Like?
Speaker 4 (03:27):
What what happens? What goes into that?
Speaker 5 (03:30):
Well, there's a number of things. I think the first
is so slow It and CJ. Stroud together, Right, we
hadn't seen slow a call games and we hadn't really
seen Stroud. So after the first year, every single divisional
opponent is going to watch you. They're going to watch
you know what your strengths and weaknesses are. Well, that
(03:52):
could be coverage dependent, it could be a rush dependent
and different things they do. So there there's a book out,
and clearly after his rookie year, which was a phenomenal year,
teams have adapted and adjusted to him. Now they haven't
had a consistent running game to help support him. The
protection's been not as good either. I mean, I think offensively,
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we'd admit that they've struggled. Although the interesting thing you
go back to that rookie year, they had guys, I mean,
Tank Dell was out of his mind, but you know,
eventually he got hurt, like there was a bunch of
injuries at the wide receiver position if my memory's correct.
So they were able to overcome all of this adversity.
You know what's happened since then. It's hard to put
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your finger on it unless you're in that locker room.
But you know, when I watch, I see again lack
of creativity. It looks like they're struggling just to find
production at times. And you know, again, I'm not sure
if you put that on the staff, if you put
on some of the struggles of CJ. Stroud not developing
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or continuing to continuing to develop. But this is a
team that's really plate owed platoad right, now, like I
just I don't know, you know, if you look at
the division that we had a lot of questions about
Trevor Lawrence, but the pairing with Liam Cohen has worked
out for the most part. I mean, they struggled this
past week, but this season, by and large, like Trevor
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Lawrence looks a lot better. It seems to like kind
of leading his team. They look like one of the
top teams. The pairing of Shane Stikeen and Daniel Jones,
We've talked about that at length. In that same division,
it doesn't appear like whatever they're doing offensively is working
and they need to figure out, you know what this
is moving forward, because you're getting to that point too
(05:41):
where you're looking at CJ. Stroud saying like, Okay, you know,
is he our long term guy, like the long, long,
long term guy, which I think is the talent ability
to be that. But last night, you know, it's a
combination of the Texans lack of offense, but also I
think we're under we're understanding how good the Seahawks defense
has been start to to this point right now, their
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defense has been awesome, and that's how they build up
this Ross and his team, and they are one of
the better defenses in the NFC.
Speaker 4 (06:10):
It's going to be fun watching Seattle moving forward. I
screwed that one up. I did you guys.
Speaker 5 (06:17):
Wanted me to like recap what happened this week in
our picks against the spread?
Speaker 4 (06:20):
Or do you want me to wait till like money line?
The Texans? They totally be me. They boned you.
Speaker 5 (06:27):
You all said the Bucks that one getting six points
Jonas you missed the Bucks as well, and then you
had the Texans against the spreads. I'm also missed that.
Speaker 2 (06:36):
Why do we have to point out everybody's flaws there
in the opening?
Speaker 4 (06:39):
But how he sets it up, you know this, how
he sets it up to go last, go ahead? What
what did you do? Brady six and bed? You just
got to know how Brady rolls. He's a horrible winner,
the horrible winner. What you knew You knew that was
coming because he threw it out there so quickly.
Speaker 5 (06:59):
You know that's right. Week seven of the NFL Picks
against the spread, Jonas Knox are one four, LeVar Arrington
one and five, mister Quinn six and oh this now
leads us to an overall record of Jonas Knox nineteen
and eighteen, just a bit above five hundred. LaVar Arrington
now creeping closer to five hundred at twenty six and
(07:20):
twenty one, and mister Quinn at thirty and eleven. That's
a seven thirty one win percentage, wiping the floor of
the two pros and I covered Joe picks against the
spread them up.
Speaker 2 (07:33):
Oh you co sona. Yeah, this is disgusting. If you
ask me, I just the little humility would go a
long way on this show. And LeVar and I have
held a bar into the margain. Yeah.
Speaker 4 (07:42):
Absolutely, we've been super humble. You know, it's all good.
Speaker 5 (07:47):
You know, every dog just reacted last week when when
Jonas I don't remember that. I don't remember that being.
Speaker 4 (07:55):
He won one percent was a horrible winner one hundred,
I will.
Speaker 5 (07:59):
Say that though LeVar, I don't know what's happened the
last two weeks. But LaVar is two and eleven. This
has been an odd skid for you.
Speaker 4 (08:06):
Well, it's when when reasoning and logic are are fleeting.
You know, it's it's it's just you guys have have
now become better because you know, logic is out the door.
Speaker 5 (08:19):
You know, I don't know, maybe you're a streaky guy.
That's kind of how you live your life is streaky.
I'm pretty like the three weeks prior you were balling
at five and one.
Speaker 4 (08:29):
Yeah, because that's it was still sensible. Like my, my, my,
My predictions are sensible, the outcomes are not.
Speaker 2 (08:38):
Yeah, you were on the right side of it, the results,
I'm on.
Speaker 4 (08:41):
The right side of the pics.
Speaker 5 (08:43):
You're kind of feast or famine.
Speaker 4 (08:44):
I'm with you. I am a feast or famine guy.
Speaker 5 (08:47):
You're all out.
Speaker 4 (08:48):
Yeah, that's that's what it sounds like.
Speaker 5 (08:51):
Jonas has just been consistently not good. That's what.
Speaker 7 (08:54):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (08:55):
But here's the thing. I get up and I answer
the bell every time I'll be here.
Speaker 5 (08:59):
There's something you said for that. Yeah, yeah, I get that.
It's very relatable too.
Speaker 2 (09:03):
You know, I can take a pun.
Speaker 5 (09:04):
Not Hey, you're not great at this, but I'm gonna
keep getting up and.
Speaker 4 (09:07):
Just doing it. That's like him doing that show on
Sunday night before he comes in here. What you mean
by that bad bad I'm not even going to expand
on that. He no need to. I was going to
stay home this Monday, though. I was like, you know what,
(09:27):
I was watching you on the on the TV. I
was like, I'm gonna get up and go. I was tired.
I was traveling.
Speaker 5 (09:35):
You when you watch him on that show, do you
do you watch just to like bring in material for Monday.
Speaker 2 (09:42):
If I'm being honest, if you're bringing material form that show,
you got bigger problems.
Speaker 5 (09:46):
I say stuff to you about it.
Speaker 4 (09:48):
I watched most of the games on mute, and when
it comes out of the game and goes into his show,
it's still on mute, so I don't hear anything he says.
Just see him with his hand in his pocket.
Speaker 5 (10:02):
Playing pocket pull over.
Speaker 4 (10:04):
There Amy standing there with his hand in his pocket.
I mean, I'll be talking to me, talking to the
camera or to TV, like Joe, to take your hand
out of your pocket, am I put it? Like put
it on your microphone, Cross, put it on your microphone.
Like you put your hand in your pocket.
Speaker 2 (10:23):
It's a hand it's a handheld mic, and but you
hold it with both hands. Bro, I'm going to hold
the mike with both hands. Yeah, what am I a toddler?
It's it's like television etiquette. You It's like I didn't
want to say this, but it's like a one hundred
percent no note to put your hand in your pocket
when you're in like a full full length you know, framing.
Speaker 4 (10:46):
The game has changed, bro, No it has not us. No,
it has all right, I changed it. Having your hand,
you'd be playing with your dollar bills up in there. Dollar,
He'll put his whole hand up in there. He does,
got like his two fingers up in there, like he's
like he's like he's rubbing.
Speaker 2 (11:06):
His Yeah, dollar, Phil's what you mean.
Speaker 4 (11:11):
I don't know.
Speaker 2 (11:12):
We use pa Oh no, so uh, I know we're
gonna ask Dean Blandido about some of what happened in
the NFL coming up an hour three. So I swear
to god, I don't understand what happened on the kate
out and catch and not catch and first down And
I don't.
Speaker 4 (11:32):
I really, I don't get you.
Speaker 5 (11:34):
You're the way you're freezing it is. It did look
to be more of uh it was a molette. Is
that he pronounced his last name the DV for Detroit.
It looked like he had the ball as they came
to the ground more but it looked like simultaneous possession,
which is supposed to go to the offense. I don't
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Here's what's odd about that is obviously it was ruled
a catch, and then New York buzzes in because it's
below two minutes, which it looked shady the entire process,
because I have no idea how you overturn that into
an interception like there was. There was nothing on replay,
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nothing that made you think that it wasn't simultaneous possession.
I mean, did it look like they both had their
arm in there on the balls that came, Yes, I
mean it didn't look like one player had the ball
that much more than the other, So I don't I mean,
hopefully Dean has a response for it. It's I'm telling you, man,
it is wild the way New York gets involved with
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some of these calls and they make these decisions, and
it's kind of flown under the radar because and what
surprised me is every single year Dean and Mike Pereira
have always said to us that the NFL doesn't want
to take away the control of the officials on the field.
That's why they don't want to make two changes. One
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everything's reviewable, and then two to basically reofficiate the play.
Like every single play that's reviewed, they take into account
what the call was on the field, so there's a
burden of proof that you have to have in order
to overturn that, like in this instance with a Kotten
catch that turned into an interception, Like I don't know
(13:23):
what they saw that we were all looking at that
made them change that call shouldn't have been the case.
That was wild. But again, like for some reason, the
NFL is slowly implementing this into how they're handling every
basically call in most of these games, it's pretty wild.
Speaker 2 (13:42):
Baker Mayfield had some thoughts because he was not He
was not thrilled during the game with the officiating and
had some thoughts.
Speaker 7 (13:49):
After all, it's still pretty damn confused about the double review.
Speaker 5 (13:53):
A lot of things in that game that was a.
Speaker 7 (13:55):
Little questionable, But there's a lot of frustration at the
end of that and it might be just placed on
the John Hussey in the moment. But that's I work
my ass off and I put a lot into this game.
So when things that I don't seem are deemed fair,
I'm gonna let somebody know. And that's good, bad, and different.
Speaker 2 (14:14):
I want to ask Blandino this, and I don't know
what his answer is going to be. So I'm curious,
but has officiating been worse this year in previous years?
And I don't do well, I don't know if I
don't know if it is or if it's just because
of the invention of social media and so many people
having opinions and there being so many different camera angles
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and so many like like, is it always been this suspect,
or is this year worse? And it just feels like
there's a lot like the TJ. Hawkinson no catch in
the Eagles Vikings game. I don't like it was rule
to catch. There clearly wasn't enough there to overturn it.
(14:56):
If you just watch the play and they still overturned it,
don't get it. I just I don't know what. And
so I'm curious to see if he and I know
they get graded and I don't know how much he
can get into that, but I'm curious to see if
it's gotten worse this year or if there's just more
people voicing their opinion because of you know, gambling, fan bases,
(15:18):
fantasy football, all the other things that.
Speaker 4 (15:19):
Come along with it. I don't know, but we'll find
out when he comes on.
Speaker 5 (15:23):
You know, what do you think it is?
Speaker 2 (15:24):
Well?
Speaker 4 (15:25):
I just think referees have always been a necessary evil
to suck like there there there's never been, well not
in context. What I'm saying is is there's never going
to ever be a year where you're like, year at
a referee, like they did amazing job, like they call
(15:45):
it the games the right way. They were handled the
right way. Like referees have always been a necessary and
a present, you know, nuisance as a defense. They're just
you know, they're there to make your life miserable and
(16:07):
you have to do your job within those miserable circumstances
of them managing the game for the offense, especially if
the offense ain't no good and you got to manage
it a little bit more, and then there you go.
There you have it. It's not like like the bottom
line is you're not going to have a game without referees.
(16:29):
Like this has been something that I've thought about many
times to side around my house and I was like,
I wonder if there were no referees, how would the
game go?
Speaker 5 (16:37):
Oh, hold on, hold on, hold on, we need to
paint the picture here. So you're sitting around your house
or you're drinking something, like what are you doing exactly
why are you doing exactly.
Speaker 4 (16:46):
I was probably sitting on my big red couch back then.
I was sitting on my big red couch, and I
was probably watching TV on my big screen TV with
my big clunky entertainment system back then when and TVs
actually had backs to them and stuff like that. Yeah,
you had to send them in those big ass entertainment
(17:07):
systems and you could put like I had all my
helmets and footballs on there and stuff like that. Anyway,
I'd be sitting there on the couch and I'd be like, huh, like,
I got fined fifteen g's this week. Wonder if we
didn't have any referees, how would that look? While I
was probably watching a rerun replay of a game. Yeah,
(17:28):
that's probably what it was. I could see how I
got fined there. Huh, there we go. Okay, up, yep,
there's another one. So there you go. That's how I
used to sit. And then I'd say to myself, well,
if there was no ref there and I got no
personal foul call or no you know, whatever the rough
roughing or whatever it may be that I was associated with,
(17:51):
I was just playing the game, and I was like,
you know, if there were no refs there. We could
go back to doing things like Deacon Jones, like DC
Jones would give guys concussions to get around them, like
just air hold them, slap them, head slap. You know,
you could do them like Mail Blunt. They called him
Bone for a reason. You know, just be running down.
(18:12):
You know you're not going to get the ball, but
then you casually just creep up on him and close lining,
literally close lining and take him to the ground. You know,
I used to sit there and think, I was like,
you know what, They built the popularity of this sport
on our backs and then had the nerve, the nerve
(18:36):
to start acting soft and acting like something was wrong.
When people came around to the idea that concussions were real,
head traumas was real. Oh you mean we can't use
these highlights. Go back to the highlights of the late
eighties the early nineties when they were bringing you into
a game or giving you a promo for a Sunday's game.
(18:58):
Go back to those promos, go back to the highlights
from there. Most of the dudes that are in the
Hall of Fame right now, especially on defense, wouldn't even
be there because they would be legislated out of the
game for for how the game is played now. You know.
Speaker 5 (19:14):
It's a good point. And what's also interesting about that
is like the dudes used to walk different back then
because they were taking some serious hits, like the offensive guys.
Speaker 4 (19:23):
You're coming my way with that. I definitely have the
bad walk.
Speaker 5 (19:27):
I was gonna say, like all the all the older
guys have that bad back walk. And yeah, their their
spine was being constantly compressed time they hit or got hit,
so they got that like old man kind of pigeon
toed shuffle back there, hunched over a little bit. I
mean sometimes, well the bet well yours always gets me
(19:48):
every time? Is it kind of looks like a t
rex because you bring your arms up and they're in
tight but they don't.
Speaker 4 (19:55):
Like someone he's ready to f somebody up. That's honestly,
God's true. I always keep my arms in position to.
Speaker 5 (20:04):
I'll never forget South Florida. That shuffle, that walk that morning,
that was that was it all till your trousers are
falling off?
Speaker 4 (20:12):
Yeah they were, they might have been.
Speaker 5 (20:15):
I was. I was so happy. I was just like,
I was just glad that you were you were there.
But then it was just like seeing the whole thing.
I was like, he still got it in it, man,
he's he's a GOERU guys did that.
Speaker 4 (20:28):
I could not believe I did that. But but it
also it ultimately comes back to if you're going to
do it, still be accountable to the team. Scaky like,
don't don't just miss because you went. You are in
the paint right.
Speaker 5 (20:43):
Yeah. Yeah, man, it was great. I just love seeing it.
It's like, hey, it's getting window into that time.
Speaker 2 (20:48):
You guys, remember there was also right next door there
was a construction company. Yeah, it was sort of a
compe conference and they're just they're stepping out looking at us,
going what's happening?
Speaker 5 (21:01):
Some dudes at a table behind like a sheet behind a.
Speaker 4 (21:05):
Curtain, pretending to walk play. We weren't even supposed to
be there. The second the last day we were there,
we weren't even supposed to be. They were like there Macimie.
He's like ola, We're like no, no, no, there's nothing better.
Speaker 5 (21:24):
On a remote show where he had like literally nothing
to do. He always would walk around and like look busy,
and it's like it's not like it's not like a
super Bowl when he's actually got a set up and
all that stuff. He literally does nothing on those remotes. Besides,
you know, I actually say compared to when he's in
the studio, it's entirely different. But he would just like
(21:46):
walked back and forth, kind of rip farts and then
go find coffee, staying out.
Speaker 2 (21:51):
And the people in the construction conference were like, what
is happening. Levar's got this giant chain on leather pants.
Speaker 5 (21:58):
We faded still you'd have leather pants that do sound wild?
Speaker 4 (22:03):
Yeah, it was bad. It was bad.
Speaker 5 (22:07):
Far as Yeah, far As well that night was Yeah.
That all depends though, Oh that really depends on what
on what Brady well, and we'll speak of depends depending.
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Right now you have a talk bring them in with
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college football rules analysts.
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Speaker 2 (23:36):
You get them on X if you dare to at
Dean Blandino.
Speaker 4 (23:39):
Hey, hey, hey, bring them in.
Speaker 2 (23:42):
Dean, good morning, and you did.
Speaker 6 (23:46):
How excited? How excited you guys can't when you hear
that music, It's so good.
Speaker 4 (23:52):
It's good. We're trying to stay in character here, No,
I know.
Speaker 6 (23:57):
The Godfather impressions were pretty impressive bringing I'm going to
having nightmare.
Speaker 2 (24:06):
Hey, I had, I had training for one of the best.
Speaker 5 (24:10):
That was really goody.
Speaker 6 (24:14):
Oh, yeah, I forgot that the godmother, you're having a stroke?
What's going on?
Speaker 7 (24:21):
You never?
Speaker 3 (24:24):
Oh my gosh, Hey hey, hey, hey hey, come here
for a second.
Speaker 4 (24:33):
Bean.
Speaker 6 (24:35):
Uh Now, I think you like outside a white conversion
van with pinted windows.
Speaker 2 (24:45):
Indeed, I want to ask you this. It's kind of
a general question. I don't know if there's a way
to if there are numbers to support this. But and
this could be just because of social media, just because
of the number of camera angles, like what we're able
to see nowadays. But do you feel like officiating this
year is worse than it's been because it feels like
(25:08):
there's more conversation about either miss calls. And I don't
know if that's just from how many people are watching
now and so there's more coverage of it. But what's
your read on how the officiating crews have done this year,
maybe as opposed to years in the past.
Speaker 6 (25:22):
Yeah, I think that's that's something that I think we're
going to live with every year. I think the scrutiny
and the technology and how we how we evaluate and
critique officials is so much greater than it was, and
so I think that narrative that that team is going
to be every year. I think you're going to hear
here's some of that. I do listen. I mean, and
(25:44):
maybe this is just recency bias, but I like watching
the game last night the Lions. You know that I
didn't think that was a well officiated game, you know,
And I do feel like there's been some I think
replay the struggling in New York to some extent with
(26:06):
some of these deals. I mean, you watched the couple
of plays last night, Dan Campbell challenges and they look
at it and they're like, oh wait, we got to
go back and look at it again. And and so
you know, the game is, game gets faster. I don't
know if the officials are are better or worse than
they were two years ago, five years ago, ten years ago,
(26:27):
but it does feel like we're struggling in some areas
and and uh, you know, and you gotta you know,
we're not always the early season. Everybody's kind of you know,
preseason isn't great. You're kind of getting where we're going
into what now we gate it's it's uh, I think
we got to like buckle up a little bit.
Speaker 7 (26:47):
Dean.
Speaker 5 (26:48):
On that note, you know, we talked about the interception
by Mollette Away What I heard you pronounce it k
what was originally a Kate reception? First off, how did
you see that play? And then help me understand how
New York and I understand I guess the time of
the game and all that, but help me understand. Are
(27:09):
the mechanics still the same where there has to be
a certain burden of proof from the angles that you
have for New York to overturn a call. But they're
still taking into consideration the call that was on the field, right,
they're not reofficiating the play.
Speaker 6 (27:24):
Yeah, that's that's the standard. That's been the guiding principle,
that you're not reofficiating the play going, Okay, what do
we think it's? The ruling on the field is this,
And we need to see something clear that jumps out
that says it's not that and it needs to be changed.
And that was you know, if I had to reofficiate
(27:45):
the play, I'd probably lean interception. But they ruled to
catch Otten right. I had his hands on it. I
mean they were both fighting for it. The tie goes
to the receiver. I didn't think it was necessarily a
simultaneous catch, but but it certainly was close, and I
didn't see enough to overturn that. And that's one of
(28:05):
those deals where and I learned that the hard way
in my own experience making decisions is I don't have
to just convince myself. The burden of proof is Okay,
I can show this video to one hundred people and
they would go, oh, yeah, absolutely, look I see it. Yep,
clearly that's an interception. And I just didn't think that
was the case.
Speaker 5 (28:25):
So I guess just to follow up on that, then
how do they make that call and explain to me
simultaneous possession. Then my understanding of that is like if
both players go up for it kind of like they
did that, it really just has to be both of
them have possession of it as they go to the ground,
as the place stops.
Speaker 6 (28:46):
Yeah, so yeah, something's possession has to be and it's
rare that you see, but everything has to happen at
the same exact time. Like both players get control at
the same time. They both have to main that control.
If one player loses it even for a split second, right,
so they have to make exact same time get control.
(29:08):
They both have to maintain that control all the way
to the end of in that instance them going to
the ground. Most of the time it's kind of the
you know, because it's so hard at full speed, officials
are going to you know, survival of the fit is
who and who ends up with it. That's typically what
they're going to rule unless they you know, they saw
something you know different, but so so that's that simultaneous possession.
(29:31):
Like I said, you can make a case that maybe
that was it, but again this I think whoever's making
that decision is using a I think standard versus what
I can actually prove standard and it's not an I
think standard, And I think that's what's happening in some
of these instances.
Speaker 4 (29:49):
Dan Baker Mayfield had some strong criticisms coming the way
of officials. It made me wonder, like, you know, guys
immediately get get fine, whether it's a coach, whether it's
a player, and doing so, like what what does that like,
you know, where did that come from? What does that achieve?
(30:12):
Like you can you could probably criticize another coach, get
away with it. You could criticize another player from the
other team, get away with it. But if you say
anything about officials, it's like you're going to get a
real stiff penalty coming your way based off of that?
Why was that established? Was it just you know, based
(30:33):
upon don't question the calls, just just deal with it,
Like where do you have an idea where that even
came from? The whole finding rect to this?
Speaker 6 (30:43):
Well, you know, it goes back before my time. But
I think that's pretty It's standard, and that's across all sports,
and I get it. I get it to some extent
where you want to maintain the credibility of your officials.
You don't want players to just be able to coaches
or whatever, to just be able to say whatever they want,
because because I think that that you can take it
too far. I do think that we've you know, it's
(31:07):
you guys know it's better than me. It's an emotional
game at that level, especially Bigger's coming off a tough loss.
There weren't look there was you know, there was a
tripping call. They missed on a big you know, it's
a big drive at the end of the game, should
have been a first down. He's frustrated and he speaks
his mind, and yeah, we'll probably will be a fine
because that's the policy. I do. You know, I do
(31:29):
think that there's a way. You know, I don't think
the league should every time somebody mentioned officiating. I think
you can. You can do it thoughtfully and do it
without being you know, disrespectful. It's just it's a tough deal.
And uh, you know, I would imagine they're gonna They're
probably gonna find them. You know. They suspended Drake Greenlaw
for for going after the official after the game in Denver,
(31:55):
which was crazy, which no one even knew about until yesterday,
and they announced it and then the videos are popping
up on social media. So I get protecting the officials
and protecting their credibility, but also on the other side,
and I lived this, the league goes too far in
terms of isolating and insulating the officiating and not being transparent.
(32:16):
And that's a problem because then people are going to
be like, you know, what is going on, and then
you get the conspiracy theories and you get all the
other stuff that we see.
Speaker 2 (32:24):
He is Dean Blandino joining us here on Fox Sports Radio,
Fox Sports NFL college football rules analysts with us here
on Two Pros and a Cup of Joe. So one
of the things that you mentioned this and kind of
alluded to it was, is there enough to overturn it?
And I think that's a really fair way to look
at some of these close calls, whether you're watching you know,
major League Baseball, and there's a play at second base
(32:45):
or a play at the Plate's like, yeah, but is
there enough there to overturn it? Even if it looks
slightly like you could, is there enough there? And I
say all that to say this, what did they see
in the TJ. Hawkinson catch and then no catch that
made them overturn that call? Because I cannot find any
angle anywhere where it looks like there was enough there
(33:07):
to overturn a touchdown catch to an incomplete pass.
Speaker 6 (33:13):
Yeah, you know, And I was we were watching the
game before, we were watching red Zone before our game
in Dallas and watching that play, and it was and
we all said, look, we're up in the boothrom like,
that's too close. You know, it did my I think
what they saw was Hogginson's going to the ground. As
he hits the ground, he kind of starts to roll
(33:34):
over and the ball touches the ground, and then they
ruled that it came loose at that point. He still
has to hold on to it when he hits the ground.
I just thought that was another one. And again it's like,
is the evidence, you know, eighty five percent, ninety percent,
even ninety nine point nine percent, it's got to be
(33:56):
one hundred percent. And so to me, that was just
one of those where if everybody is questioning why why, why?
Then how can it be clear and obvious? Right? And
unless it's just a rule thing that people don't understand,
But that wasn't the case. And again it's just that's
and obviously, you know he was frustrated, and rightfully so.
(34:17):
But and I've made those I've lived that when I
early in my career, where I could convince myself of
something and then I try to explain it to people.
I go, man, I'm explaining this for ten minutes, how
would that jump out player? And obvious?
Speaker 5 (34:32):
It just isn't.
Speaker 6 (34:32):
And I think that's that's part of the issue right now.
Speaker 5 (34:36):
All right, I've got one for you. Because so much
is made of the toush push and the play everything else. Well,
what was interesting this week though, is we saw Christian
McCaffrey with that game sealing touchdown versus Atlanta on Sunday night,
getting pulled into the end zone. And so I guess
my question is because I think what was that. Terry
McCauley came on later said that it should have been
(34:58):
helping the runner, which is illegal, Like so we can't
we can push it, we can't pull him. I mean,
at what point do we kind of just draw the line,
like why are we able to keep that rule in
the playbook even though we can't officiate the push or
we couldn't so we changed it, but we can officiate
the poll like it just it's like it should be
(35:18):
all in or all out on aiding the run. Is
that the easiest way we could do this?
Speaker 6 (35:22):
Agree? This is all This goes back to like mid
two thousands when and look it hasn't been called, and
it was like the fish was like, it's so tough.
You got a pile, who's you know? Are you pushing
the pile? Are you pushing your teammate? Are you pushing
the runner? And so they got rid of the push language.
But but it's lift if a runner is on the
(35:42):
ground and you come and lift him up off the
ground or you pull him to gain additionally yards, that's
still remained a foul in the rule book. It hasn't
been called in the NFL since like the ninety three
or night, I don't even know. So it's it's something that, yes,
it is hard, but there are a lot of things
(36:03):
out there that are hard to or difficult to officiate.
So I don't think that's the reason. To me, it's
just put it in, you know, in terms of all
the all the push to pull, all the aiding the runner,
just take it out with put the rule rule book
language in teach the officials call it a couple of times,
and yeah, you're going to call that once at the
(36:23):
goal line, and now you go from a touchdown to
you know whatever it is, second and goal at the twelve.
That's that's teams won't won't do it, and that's that's
the hope that they can get it done in the
off season.
Speaker 4 (36:36):
How many variations of the same type of calls? Like
do you get complaints on like weekly? Like is it
new variations or is it all the same? Like how
does it come your way? In terms of questions you're asked,
because I mean, in theory, there can only be so
many things that could take place within the parameters of
(36:59):
a gang, right, Like do do you find yourself getting
a wide array of a perspective on how calls are
being made and how officiating is taking place, or is
it a narrow like is it a more narrow scope
of these plays are jacked up or holding or pass
interference that you know, stuff like that.
Speaker 6 (37:20):
Well, I go back to when I was at the
league office and we get coaches questions and each team
could submit up to ten questions and you would get
it and you would go through it, and the majority
of questions from clubs was about holding offensive holding, because
it is very subjective. There's there's you know, the old
thing you call holding on every play. I don't think
that's true, but there is an opportunity to call holding
(37:43):
on every play because offensive linemen use their hands and
grab and do different things, so that looked like holding,
and so offensive holding was always the most frequent question.
I think as an analyst and people that text me
and ask questions, I think pass different this is always something,
even offensive past difference. I think that's something that people,
(38:05):
even and the officials. It's the most missed call every
year you do an analysis, and the one the official
struggle with most historically is offensive past difference because it's
so hard, because it's the deep is the defender initiating
the contact, is the receiver running around? Is the receiver
you know, is the receiver extending the arms? All needs
(38:26):
to push off all these different things. So it is
I get questions about everything. But typically when my phone
blows up, it's like usually the big stuff that people
are like, what the heck is going on? Like last
night with you know, the ott and play and then
the challenge where they went back and looked at it again,
those types of things. But it does, it does kind of.
(38:50):
I get a lot. It's a smorts sport.
Speaker 2 (38:53):
He used the great Dean Blandino, Fox Sports NFL College
football rules analyst, get him hunt.
Speaker 4 (38:59):
At mortgage.
Speaker 2 (39:02):
Dean tremendous is always. We appreciate it.
Speaker 4 (39:07):
I have a great day, you have a great date day.
Speaker 6 (39:13):
I'll leave you guys with a challenge for the rest
of your time on the air today. How many times
can you say smortgage board?
Speaker 2 (39:18):
Okay, a mortgage Well, that is a challenge even saying it. Dean,
we appreciate it. We'll do it again next week. There
is a great Dean Blandino with us here on Fox
Sports Radio.
Speaker 5 (39:30):
By the way, that's a word you're going to stay
away from Huhard
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