Best of 2 Pros and a Cup of Joe

Jonas Knox, LaVar Arrington, and Brady Quinn preview Thursday Night Football between the Vikings and Chargers.  The mess with Aaron Glenn's New York Jets continues to get worse. MMQB Senior Reporter Albert Breer joins the guys to talk issues with the Ravens and Dolphins, the future of JJ McCarthy in Minnesota, and much more.

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
This is the best of two pros and a couple
of Joe with LaVar Airings and Rady Win and Jonas
Knox on Fox Sports Radio.

Speaker 2 (00:22):
Well, I do have some good news what my new
song request was sent in and I have it on
good authority that tomorrow will be the day of debuts okay,
and it ain't gonna be around for long, So hope
you enjoy it. But it is two pros and a
cup of Joe, Fox Sports Radio, LaVar Arrington, Brady Quinn,

(00:44):
Jonas Knox with you here. You can listen to us
as always on the iHeartRadio app. You can find us
on hundreds of affiliates all across the country and wherever
you are making us a part of your Thursday morning,
we appreciate you doing so. We're going to take you
all the way up until nine am Eastern time, six
o'clock Pacific, and good more to you and yours. Okay, good, Hey,

(01:04):
I'm telling you tomorrow the new song's coming and it's
gonna be there for a week.

Speaker 3 (01:09):
Who did you give your song to?

Speaker 4 (01:11):
Mean?

Speaker 3 (01:12):
Brady's already out the gate?

Speaker 2 (01:13):
Well, I emailed Ricky. He said he's not gonna be
until today.

Speaker 4 (01:18):
Yeah, you're already. I mean, what does it matter you're
late to the party, buddy.

Speaker 3 (01:24):
Yeah, that's all right, it's okay.

Speaker 2 (01:26):
What about you get your.

Speaker 3 (01:29):
Yeah, film got it? I don't know. I was talking
trash now.

Speaker 4 (01:33):
I don't have a whole lot of confidence, you know,
so I'm not just man, I'm gonna just steer clear,
you know.

Speaker 3 (01:39):
Yeah, just stay over here.

Speaker 2 (01:40):
Man. Well mine's not very good. So well I'm curious
to see what.

Speaker 4 (01:45):
I don't understand. Why would you choose a not so
good song.

Speaker 2 (01:48):
It's just appropriate, you'll see when you hear it, like,
it's just appropriate. Like I said, it's got it's got
a week's uh lifetime on it, and then after that
it's over, it'll be done, beyond done.

Speaker 3 (02:01):
Deal. That's where we did not come in with any
ounce of confidence.

Speaker 2 (02:05):
No, it's not because it's one of those things you think, oh,
that'll get people going. Then you listen to it and go, no,
not really, not at all. Actually, like that's gonna be
it's gonna be a doozy.

Speaker 4 (02:15):
But mine too, though, that really might be mine as well.
So you know, no worries, don't feel bad about it.
Just just live with your decision, you know.

Speaker 2 (02:26):
What I mean, Well, we do have good news though.

Speaker 3 (02:29):
Okay.

Speaker 2 (02:30):
Week eight in the NFL kicks off later tonight. It's
not Friday, kicks off later on tonight, baby, Okay, at
the world's largest gazebo, Sofi Stadium. We got the Vikings,
we got the Chargers, and we got the LA Chargers,
a three and a half point favorite. And if you're
the Chargers, all you're hoping for is can Justin Herbert

(02:51):
just get through the game in one piece because he
is running for his life. Recently they've lost three of
four the Viking side of things. JJ McCarthy is still out.
He's missed twenty two of twenty four possible starts in
his NFL career. Whatever the ankle injury was, seems like
it's lasted a little bit longer than maybe some people expected.

(03:12):
And Carson Wentz is gonna give it a go.

Speaker 5 (03:15):
All right. Let me push back on that a little bit.
They said it was gonna be a six week injury,
and I believe for this week, next week it's about
six weeks. Who said, well, that's a high ankle sprain,
ask var like he's got ankles. I got ankles. Yeah,
six weeks high ankles. Six weeks, man, it takes a while. Yeah, usually,

(03:36):
like people tend to forget. Usually like remember Tua like
in college, got those tight the tightrope procedure.

Speaker 2 (03:42):
No bike chain where they go in the bike chain.

Speaker 5 (03:44):
Yeah, and that's like that helped expedite the process to
get back sooner, create more stability. You know that was
you know people. I don't know if people are doing
that as much anymore, but it takes about six weeks, man,
So this is about that time frame. And I think
the other thing is for JJ McCarthy, is you wanted
to come back and be one hundred percent healthy. I

(04:06):
think there's a lot of people who are curious, maybe
some doubters. Dare I say, of what he doing? Yeah
trumpid Yeah, because because you saw what Donald did last year.
Wentz has played well at times this year. I'm not
sure he's played the level of Donald last year. But

(04:26):
you know, if he goes out there and flops, it's
going to create a bad narrative. And so you better
go out there at least be one hundred percent. If
there's a lot of people who are curious whether or
not he can get the job done and be the guy.

Speaker 4 (04:42):
Has Wentz been impressive enough during this stretch for there
to be a controversy if he doesn't play well, like
that's like out the gate. I think I think it
was a foregone conclusion, but lately I just don't. I
feel like when JJ McCarthy gets back, it will be welcomed.

(05:08):
And if he stumbles out of the gate, I don't
know that there would be as much pressure on him
now as there were a little bit.

Speaker 5 (05:18):
I would have said until this past week, Yes, there
was gonna be pressure on him. He struggled versus Philly.
I mean that that was his worst game starting for
the Vikings so far. So if you would have just
stopped and JJ would have went over to Philly, maybe
a different story. Because Onz has played pretty well. That

(05:38):
was like his first Like, oh okay, that wasn't That
wasn't good.

Speaker 3 (05:42):
He wasn't good.

Speaker 2 (05:43):
He's probably he's probably battling the demons. You know, that
was his franchise. He was supposed to be the guy.
And uh, there's Jalen Hurts, the one who replaced him,
out there all of a sudden, slinging it around and
DeVante Smith going wild. So could have been some mental
stuff going on for Carson Wentz there trying to get
over get over all that that was going on. I
just wonder at one point because when JJ McCarthy does

(06:07):
come back, and I think some of the thought was, well,
if it wasn't a short week, maybe it would have
been more possible. Aaron Jones is coming off the ir
as well too. He's questionable at least according to the
latest report. But I wonder if when JJ McCarthy comes back,
you have to see what you got right. So I
don't know that there's not that this is a throwaway year,

(06:28):
but this is a we need to find out what
we've got in our quarterback yere and whether that results
in a playoff spot or not. I think long term,
big picture, while they want to be competitive this year
and they'd love to make a run at it, they're
just trying to figure out whether or not JJ McCarthy
is the goods.

Speaker 4 (06:43):
That's at least I think that's a legitimate I think
that's a legitimate synopsis. I definitely think that they they
there's a want for one and that's that's always a
great thing when when the franchise want to understand and
wants to know what they have in a drafted, a

(07:03):
high drafted franchise possible franchise guy for them at that position.
So one percent, they're gonna want to see what he
can do when he gets back, but they're also, to
Q's point, gonna want to make sure that he's ready.

Speaker 3 (07:19):
To do that.

Speaker 4 (07:20):
So if if it happens to not be the time
frame that was was maybe specified or put out there,
you know, tentatively, whatever it may be, they're gonna make
sure he has the proper amount of time to get
one hundred percent healthy. I mean, it does them no
good if he goes out there and and he crumbles,

(07:44):
you know, and under under the the the ankle not
being all the way properly healed, or he doesn't play
well because his ankle isn't properly healed. And I think
that that's gonna be the biggest measurement of how this
all goes, because that's a super important part of this,
right Like, you don't want to put him out there
and position him to fail because of the very conversation

(08:08):
we're having right now.

Speaker 2 (08:10):
I did see this on Pro Football Talk. I can't
even believe it's a real stat If Justin Jefferson gets
forty yards receiving. Tonight, he'll surpass Julio Jones for the
fastest to eight thousand in his career. That guy's already
at eight thousand career receivings in eighty three games. What

(08:32):
the end?

Speaker 3 (08:32):
I mean, people just throw up all these days.

Speaker 5 (08:34):
Man, Well, that's his talent. I mean, obviously is part
of that, but I also I kind of give some
credit to Kevin O'Connell's staff. I mean, that team knows
how to get him the football too. And just from
talking with KOC, one of the things he always says
is like, our entire game plan is built around Justin
Jefferson and how teams are going to play him. It

(08:57):
sounds wild, but when you talk to him, he's like, no,
He's like, we know in the first series, like how
to get him the ball, what we're going to do
offensively because of how teams are going to either try
to match up with them and try to take him away,
try to you know, double them. Maybe they feel confident
in the corner they have and they'll leave him singled up.
But he always says, like they do enough with him

(09:19):
in that first series where they know how teams are
going to try to play him. So it's it's obviously
justin Jefferson's talent and ability, but credit the staff too
for figuring out how to get him open, how to
get him, you know, as many targets as he gets.
And what's amazing about that stat too, Think about the
number of quarterbacks he's been with.

Speaker 2 (09:41):
Yeah, like cousins for a period of time.

Speaker 5 (09:43):
Now we've gone through a transition where it's been Darnold,
a little bit of JJ McCarthy, Carson Wentz. I mean
it's it's been a different, you know, different group of quarterbacks.
And I don't know what the future holds, if it'll
be JJ McCarthy or not.

Speaker 4 (09:59):
Yeah, I don't think anybody knows that answer. Honestly, I don't. Again,
I don't know that JJ McCarthy knows that answer. But
I'll say this, Yeah, I'll say this. They got to
travel into California. They had to travel into California to
do this, and I think that that is to me,
I think these teams are pretty evenly matched.

Speaker 3 (10:23):
I will say, you know, looking at.

Speaker 4 (10:25):
Where the Chargers are right now, I mean they they
got to write their ship to like they seem like
they were really on the right track to be in
a dominant team. I mean, they have some unfortunate losses
to their roster, but I look at this Chargers team
and say, at least they had the friendly confines of

(10:47):
being home and and seeing if they can do it
here versus going on the road to do it.

Speaker 5 (10:55):
So they can feel like they're having away game.

Speaker 3 (10:57):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (10:57):
I was gonna say, there'll be more Minnesota. Did you
think this is a home game for the Chargers.

Speaker 5 (11:04):
I don't think you're gonna hear the call horn in
the entire time.

Speaker 3 (11:07):
Dang you think you're going to hear the horn?

Speaker 2 (11:09):
Oh god, oh yeah, skull chance, it's over. Listen people
listening on the alle horn of the Twin Cities k
fan right now. Yeah, you don't worry. You will be
well represented out in Sofi.

Speaker 5 (11:21):
Stadium, that's right.

Speaker 2 (11:23):
Dang well.

Speaker 5 (11:24):
I mean, dude, Vikings fans too, they travel, Like I
think I told you when I was in Carolina calling
a game. It was Carolina FIRSUS Minnesota, and they started
banging that big drum in Carolina and all the Vikings
fans started the collap. They started to the skull chant,
and then someone eventually had to go over to the
person for the Panthers who was hitting the drum. They're like, don't,
don't do that. It's not a good look. Like Minnesota's

(11:47):
overtaken our crowd. You know, the entire like half the
stands were Minnesota Vikings fans. Apparently there's been like a
migration from Minnesota to someone of the Carolinas. So there's
a lot of Vikings fans down there.

Speaker 2 (11:59):
So be warm. I guess the Vikings don't like the
cold anymore.

Speaker 3 (12:03):
Huh, yeah, I guess not.

Speaker 5 (12:05):
They'll be in southern California to drinking their beer, pillaging
their villages.

Speaker 3 (12:09):
There.

Speaker 5 (12:10):
You go, watching the Southern Californians just roll over. The
Vikings are yeah, Vikings.

Speaker 2 (12:19):
No bottle. It's about how things will go.

Speaker 5 (12:24):
They come right into Jonas's household. They'll they'll have their way.
Let me drinking his orange juice, make it in the kitchen, naked,
just drinking his orange juice.

Speaker 2 (12:34):
Jonas, what's he gonna do about it?

Speaker 3 (12:37):
Not? I need.

Speaker 4 (12:40):
A damn thing, not a of orange juice, Jonas.

Speaker 2 (12:45):
Although I would be I would tread light if you
come near my place. We took care of it. We
took care of a rat yesterday and it did the
real one. Yeah, it did not go as smooth as
I thought it was gonna go.

Speaker 5 (13:00):
Will sound from Rayel.

Speaker 2 (13:01):
Sorry, I just hate.

Speaker 4 (13:04):
That sound like that did sound like Brady Quinn's Quinn's Wins.
You will never be able to make certain sound effects.
That's all I would say.

Speaker 5 (13:18):
Waits burs do it again?

Speaker 2 (13:21):
Come on ray Ray play play Quinn's Wins Twins Wins.

Speaker 3 (13:28):
That's not far off, that's what it sounds like.

Speaker 2 (13:31):
Far off.

Speaker 5 (13:32):
Well man, I still can't believe that's you.

Speaker 2 (13:37):
I played it for my friend the other day. I
was like, you want to hear something? Uh?

Speaker 5 (13:42):
What did they say?

Speaker 2 (13:44):
Shook their head? How many of you know? How many
of your fans on social media are jealous that Brady
got a drop that you authored and they didn't a
lot of upset. So do you guys know what to talk?
Cat trap is?

Speaker 4 (14:01):
These things are sweet. So it's it's the rare one
that like they walk in and which one is it?

Speaker 2 (14:07):
Well a couple so tom Kat's the brand, but it's
the one that snaps down. It's the black one because
I don't like the one where they go in like
the little like almost like a cubby and the poison
there and they just you're too smart for that. Yeah,
and they get stuck.

Speaker 4 (14:19):
So there's beginners and there's vets. You know, I don't know.
Oh yeah, if you got one, there's more than one.

Speaker 2 (14:25):
Oh yeah.

Speaker 4 (14:25):
So I experienced that at my last crib. You know,
I told you about that nickod Demons and all the
rest of his group.

Speaker 3 (14:31):
Yeah, go ahead.

Speaker 2 (14:32):
Well, so they they'll come on like the back patio,
and we've had a few over the past few years.
And they'll come on the back patio and there's a
little hole to get in the back fence. And so
I'll set this trap up and I'll put peanut butter
in the little cup and then i'll prop it open.
And this latest one went in and somehow ate the

(14:55):
peanut butter out of the cup and it didn't go off,
and it pissed me off, and I'm thought, son of
a bitch. So then I was out to get him.
And so this time I just smeared peanut butter all
over the place. I put it everywhere. So I see
the traps moved yesterday and.

Speaker 4 (15:10):
Yourself too, Oh yeah, come on, okay, I mean why
was you as yourself?

Speaker 2 (15:15):
I mean it's it's Wednesday night, why not? So I figured,
so I set this trap up. I see that it's moved.
I'm like, oh, got him. He's right under the fence.
I go to pick the trap up and he's still alive.
But it got his back leg. He had crawled under
the fence and was chewing his way through a little

(15:36):
like garden bench that we had there. This thing chewed
this thing to pieces, fighting for his life, and I
really admired it so much so that you just throw
him in a in a Ralph's bag, little grocery bag,
and just take it over there. Now, take it over
to the park and put it in the trash. And
if that thing is still going, he ain't got much
time left. So if you are one of these vikings
and you come into my house, you got to deal
with the tomcat trap. Okay, those things there's a ninety

(15:59):
five percent close rate on those.

Speaker 4 (16:03):
Man, that wasn't Nicodemus. You deal with Nicodemus. It's it's
going to be harder, man. I'm telling you, I just
don't like you dealt with one of the little like
the FBS man, you know what I mean? Like you
know you know that far Yeah, that wouldn't it. That
wouldn't That wouldn't that wouldn't the guy. You didn't get
the guy, bro, So just know you're you're going to

(16:24):
deal with with more of it.

Speaker 3 (16:26):
They don't. They don't roll alone.

Speaker 2 (16:28):
Man, you think Berna would have work?

Speaker 4 (16:33):
It would have been fun work. I'll tell you that.
It would have been fun work. And if you could
hit see if you could hit it, how accurate you are?

Speaker 2 (16:40):
Well what it was in the trap? Just put it
down while out and.

Speaker 3 (16:44):
And bust a cap in its ass?

Speaker 5 (16:46):
So you got a rat just running rampant around your
place right now?

Speaker 2 (16:49):
Not anymore?

Speaker 5 (16:51):
So you did kill it?

Speaker 2 (16:52):
Well, I don't know if it's dead yet, but yeah,
I got it. It was stuck in the trap in
its back leg.

Speaker 4 (16:57):
And I put it in this morning before you now yesterday?

Speaker 2 (17:01):
Yeah you put it in a bag? Yeah, in the trash.
Yeah no not my movie, No, not my trash, the
park trash so all the kids can see.

Speaker 3 (17:10):
It was it? Was it a plastic bag or a
paper bag?

Speaker 2 (17:13):
Plastic bag? You are a menace, bro? Yeah, I mean a.

Speaker 5 (17:18):
Little right through that. You don't I don't know that,
I bet?

Speaker 3 (17:21):
Yeah? Gooes out?

Speaker 2 (17:23):
Yeah, you think suffocate Yeah, is it air tight. It's
a little teas, little teas. You's not gonna be able
to get out of there, but there's enough air to
where he's gonna he's gonna watch his final moments and rattit.

Speaker 5 (17:37):
He's gonna be out of that thing, cooking up a
nice Italian meal somewhere in it.

Speaker 2 (17:40):
Well, if he does get out, God bless him, and
God speak because there's an owl the size of a
seven forty seven in our neighborhood that is looking for
things to eat. This thing is huge and.

Speaker 4 (17:51):
Is going to come free them. Man, I'm telling you,
it's like just like in the movie. It's gonna come
get him. Yeah, disease, and then they're going to come
get you. What does it depends on you?

Speaker 5 (18:03):
Well, it depends on how your prostate's doing, you know.

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This, it's a great point.

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Speaker 2 (19:25):
The Jets, there was some speculation about who is going
to be named starting quarterback for the Jets, and it
was going to be to Rod Taylor. Justin Field is
going to be benched. And then Aaron Glenn was talking
yesterday with the media and they're asking him about the
quarterback situation in New York and it sounded like this quarterback,

(19:46):
we will have a quarterback on Sunday.

Speaker 3 (19:48):
I will tell you that.

Speaker 5 (19:50):
Sorry, I wouldn't want to give them a competitive advantage
when I have that opportunity, but we would have a quarterback.

Speaker 3 (19:56):
Did you your listens wrong? So yeah.

Speaker 4 (20:00):
To day to day yes, yes, what does he he
He's dealing a need, that's something that he had before.

Speaker 3 (20:07):
So just you know who you're starting quarterback is going
to be.

Speaker 2 (20:10):
You're just not announcing it. So it isn't like this
week as a competition.

Speaker 3 (20:13):
Where you're gonna have you and I know the star
on quarter.

Speaker 4 (20:15):
Movie, So it's going to be Tyrod Taylor.

Speaker 2 (20:20):
Well, but he gives him a competitive advantage, according to
Aaron Glenn, by not announcing who the quarterback is.

Speaker 4 (20:27):
Uh.

Speaker 2 (20:28):
And then there was this report from Pro Football Talk
because it feels like the fingers are already starting to
point that. According to according to Pro Football Talk and
their sources, apparently there was a difference of opinion as
to who did and didn't want Aaron Rodgers as their quarterback.

(20:50):
GM Darren Moogie wanted to keep Rogers I and Aaron
Glenn wanted to move on. So we're already start arding
down the road of that was his decision, not mine,
and people are looking for life preservers. It feels like
with the Jets and they've been there what two months seasons?

(21:11):
What two months old? Less than two months? So away
we go with your New York Jets. Who's New York Jets?
Go ahead, cute, you got that you play.

Speaker 5 (21:20):
I was just gonna say, like, this is a dysfunction
at its highest point. And unfortunately, like here's the hard
part about the job of Woody Johnson in this instance.
You know, when you when you're an owner, there's a
trickle down effect where when when adversity hits, and it
always hits. Even in the best organizations, adversity strikes in

(21:43):
some fashion or form. You know, even if you want
to include the Kansas City Chiefs, you know they've had
a ton of success. So what is the adversity that
they face? Well, it's now dealing with you know, outside
of football, the fame that comes along with that. You know,
you've got a tight end who's dating and you know
Taylor Swift, You've got all these celebrities that are part
of it. You're gonna lose coaches or you're gonna have

(22:05):
turnover on your Staff're gonna have turnover on your roster
at times too, because you know, with this success comes
everyone feeling like they're better than they actually are, and
they want to get compensated and paid for it, and
the team probably can't keep all of them, so you know,
there's all sorts of things that come along with this.
On the other side is when you know you are
a team that just cannot put together any wins, you

(22:27):
have no success whatsoever. It's dealing with the fill you're in,
dealing with the constant you know, reminder of that. And
the hardest part is in either case, like you still
have to kind of stay the course, put on your earmuffs,
put on your blinders, and find a way of buying
into whoever it is that you made a decision to

(22:48):
hire as your head coach and you made a decision.

Speaker 2 (22:50):
To hire as your general manager.

Speaker 5 (22:52):
Like if you are a Woody Johnson and as bad
as this season looks and you fire Aaron Glenn, which
is what I believe this whole you know conversation's about
right now because ultimately after one year, when you don't
see the results that there's any progress, and we have
not seen anything from the Jets so far this year,

(23:13):
which with with mind you a talented roster, or at
least some talent on that roster.

Speaker 2 (23:17):
You pointed the coach.

Speaker 5 (23:19):
You say you had seventeen opportunities and had no point
that this team improve. That's where this is headed and
that's why you hear these reports because you've got a
general manager that wants to survive past a year. And
the hardest thing is for an owner like Woody Johnson,
is at some point you have to stay the course.

(23:39):
You have to give this coach a chance. He has
no chance if you're asking him to fix what has
been wrong for a long time since what two thousand
when he bought the team with a few instances here
and there where it wasn't the case. He can't fix it.
In a year. You signed, you know, a quarterback in

(24:04):
Justin Fields who you knew was a question mark in
ways and still needed some development. Like is any of
this surprising, Like I look at this and I just say,
if this is where this is going, Like if I'm
Woody Johnson right now, I walk down and I put
together a meeting between Aaron Glenn, Darren Moogie whoever else

(24:27):
that you feel like are the main decision makers to
say none of this BS is happening. We're not leaking stuff.
I'm sticking with you guys. You're safe this year, You're
safe next year, You're safe the next year, and then
we'll reevaluate. And so at least they have a timeline
instead of like allowing everything to kind of be up

(24:48):
in the air all the time and the owner to
sit there and allow this stuff to happen where you're
already creating fractures in a divide, like it just it's
a recipe for disaster. And he's the only one that
can fix this. There's no one else because it's only
gonna get worse if they keep losing games. It's only

(25:08):
gonna get worse. Everyone's gonna start looking for life rass
life jackets and they're jumping off the boat to save themselves.

Speaker 4 (25:17):
When you hear about the Detroit lines right now, the
overarching message that you hear is a Dan Campbell message.
The culture that you see playing out with this team
is a Dan Campbell culture. Well, the reason why I

(25:38):
bring him up, Aaron Glenn comes from that coaching tree.
Aaron Glenn came from Detroit to take over the New
York Jets. Dan Campbell in his first year.

Speaker 3 (25:50):
If by.

Speaker 4 (25:52):
Records we're talking about a one and done year, Dan
Campbell won three games his first year there, three games.
And so to me, when you're looking at situations that
you've already seen failure year and year out, year after

(26:14):
year after year, the disappointment of what's taking place, you
really should look at it at the to me, from
a lens of if we continue to keep changing the
people around, we are going to continue to get the

(26:34):
same results. You can't move in the definition of insanity
doing the same exact things thinking you're going to get
a different results.

Speaker 2 (26:43):
You can't do it.

Speaker 4 (26:45):
So with someone like whoever it is, whether it was
Robert Salah, whether it now is Aaron Glenn, if you're
the New York Jets, the ultimate challenge is is that
whoever it is that you hire, you have to give
them enough time to allow that culture to be built.

(27:10):
You gotta allow the trust and the belief all those
things that you know Q is mentioning in his in
his his points, those things have to be present, and
it has to have time. Like name me one seed
that grows the moment you planted, Like maybe there are

(27:33):
some I don't know, but I don't know of anything.

Speaker 3 (27:36):
It takes time.

Speaker 4 (27:37):
And not only does it take time, but imagine if
it's you're you're looking for this this planted seed to
bear fruit.

Speaker 3 (27:45):
It takes time, it takes care, it.

Speaker 4 (27:47):
Takes you know, a lot of people they talk to
their plants and stuff like that, like people that have
green thumbs. They'll tell you, like the whole entire process
of what it takes to raise healthy, healthy fruit and
produce bearing plants and trees and stuff like that. Sometimes
it takes years for a fruit to be produced. And

(28:10):
that's a lot like coaching. That's a lot like building
a winning culture and building a winning team. You can't
expect instinct grits if you want them to be good.
And some of them are really good. Though you put
a lot of butter and some sold on it. Some
people like sugar in their grits. But anyway, I'm just
saying it takes time, man, it takes time, and if

(28:31):
you're not. The thing about it is is that the
culture that's been created because I again, I.

Speaker 3 (28:37):
Lived in it. I lived in.

Speaker 4 (28:41):
Bad culture, I lived in arrogant like I'm good, like
I'm the best culture.

Speaker 3 (28:46):
I lived in it.

Speaker 4 (28:47):
And it goes through the whole entire fan base, it
goes it's everywhere. When you have that type of culture,
if it is not gutted out from the root of
the issue and rectified at the root, that culture still
continues to have a very very strong undercurrent. And that

(29:09):
undercurrent a lot of times can be worse than when
it's just right blatantly in your face, because then you're confused.

Speaker 2 (29:17):
It's like, Okay, before I knew this was.

Speaker 3 (29:19):
Bad because of X, Y and Z.

Speaker 4 (29:22):
But when you act as though you have addressed it
and you you've you've rectified it and we're moving on
from it, but it's still there, then people get even
more confused because they can't even identify why things.

Speaker 3 (29:35):
Aren't going right.

Speaker 4 (29:36):
And then next thing you know, then it goes back
to being right back in your face. It's like a
vicious cycle that plays out in corrupt, corrosive bad, bad culture.
So if you don't give a coach an opportunity and
a fear opportunity, which a fear opportunity is removing yourself

(29:57):
from the situation. If you're saying you're hugging Aaron Glenn
and you trust Aaron Glenn and he's a former player,
and it's the quarterback that's the problem, and this and
that and the other, then get the hell out of
in front of the media. Stop talking to the media
about what's going on or what you think is the problem.
Remove yourself from having contact that way with the organization,

(30:20):
not just the coach and the player, because that's what
makes it horrible culture, is that you think it's just
leave the coach alone, just leave the team alone. But
it's messing with the people that work at the front desk,
it's messing with the people that are in sales, it's
messing with the people that are in pr it's messing
with the people that are in scouting. It's all of it.

(30:41):
And if you don't correct that and remove yourself from it,
where whatever it is that has been built through the
time is rectified and corrected and healed up, then you're
going to continue to have the same exact results because
you have successfully created a culture you it just isn't
a winning one.

Speaker 2 (31:01):
You mentioned you know, you got a planet and let
it grow like bad soil, good luck ain't happening. It's
not gonna happen. How many times? And the other thing
I was thinking about with the Jets, has there ever
been a time where you've heard the words, yeah, we're
going to tear it down and rebuild it, Like you
never really hear that with the Jets. It's just assumed, like,

(31:23):
which means the plan is we're going to be competitive
and this might be our year. But there's never a hey, look,
we all know what's going on here. We're looking towards
next year, like the Saints, like everybody knows the deal,
Like we know what's going on with the Saints, we
know how this whole thing is going to go. The
Jets almost give you this illusion that no, no, no, we're
a real franchise that should be reckoned with, like we

(31:45):
look at all this talent we've got, look at the
you know, we're signing Garrett Wilson to a deal, Sauce
Gardner gets a deal, Like, no, no, we're a real
franchise and they're the worst team in the league again,
literally every time, and there's one common denominator, it's Woody
Johnson the entire time. Nobody's going to turn that thing
around there with him as the owner, just doesn't feel
like it's gonna happen, no matter how spicy things get there.

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Speaker 3 (32:55):
So it works.

Speaker 2 (32:55):
Then, yeah, I'm checking the box for us. Yeah you
did there, We got it.

Speaker 3 (33:00):
Keep the thing going.

Speaker 5 (33:01):
I don't know one hundred percent strip of music. I
mean it's just a good time, you know that good times.
I told you that first one, first Poison concert ever
saw it was that Polaris Amphitheater. Uh. Somehow, I think
it was in sixth grade. Somehow my uncle got us,
got us in. We had like eight tickets, there were
like twelve of us. And he did this like thing

(33:22):
where he was like, you would take from his left
hand the ticket to his right hand as we were
passing through the gate, and he was just like just
keep shuffling forward, and so he'd be like one, two, three, four,
And I think there was some sleight of hand where
he like took the one from his left hand to
his right but then brought it back and somehow counting

(33:43):
and the ticket and this is obviously backed in the
days of paper tickets. The ticket guy was like what
And after a time and people kept shuffling, his head's
like trying to he's trying to look at the guys
going through and he's looking at the tickets and he's like, yeah,
all right, yeah, yeah, that's a big group. Yeah yeah,
like that, that's good. There you go, And and that
was how we got in. And as soon as I

(34:03):
found a spot, they had this big lawn up kind
of looking down the amphitheater. There was there was a
mom who was completely topless and absolute hammers carrying one
kid running around chasing the other.

Speaker 2 (34:18):
Couldn't have been more than four a yeah.

Speaker 5 (34:21):
And I was like, as a sixth grade boy, I
was like, well, this is a wild place to be,
so I'm gonna keep following poison and uh yeah that
was started my love for the music as well as
the ambiance.

Speaker 2 (34:33):
Have you seen my mom? Yeah, she's right over there
with the battleships on her speed right over there. That's her.
By the way, Brett Michaels met him in the kitchen here.
He was in studio for some reason doing one of
the other shows. Super nice guy, really really nice.

Speaker 5 (34:47):
He's super super guy. He's a big Pittsburgh fan.

Speaker 3 (34:50):
Yeah oh yeah, all right.

Speaker 2 (34:52):
So, uh, from that poison to something that's the good
kind of poison. The one and only Albert Brier, We
bring you Albert Brier every single Thursday here on this show.
He's a senior NFL reporter, a lead content strategist at
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Speaker 7 (35:16):
Good morning guys. I feel like that song is a
song that plays when you're walking in, you know what
I mean, like when you're first walking in.

Speaker 3 (35:22):
Uh, it's like, right, what is that poison? What establishment? Ab?

Speaker 7 (35:28):
Those sorts of establishments?

Speaker 3 (35:30):
I don't know what you're talking about. Ab It sounds
like you you know, I don't know.

Speaker 7 (35:33):
There's one. There's one. There's one that Brady might be
familiar with from back in the day. I think it
was called Pure Platinum.

Speaker 5 (35:40):
There was oh yeah, solid Platinum. We used to talk
about cahoots back in the day. They used to have
a great brunch or lunch buffet for for all those
in the Columbus, which I think it's shut down there,
but uh yeah, business lunch b y O B.

Speaker 7 (35:58):
There were a few of those places too. I think
a Solid Gold I can't remember. There was one that
was like buyo B. Also that was interesting.

Speaker 5 (36:05):
I thought, well, maybe per Platinum was I don't know,
but I mean this is all being told me secondhand.

Speaker 7 (36:11):
So yeah, well yeah, it this all word of mouth.

Speaker 2 (36:16):
Aby, We're talking about this earlier. You know, Aaron Glenn's
not quite sure. I think it's a competitive advantage to
not announce who the starter is going to be. There
was a report from Pro Football Talk that apparently Darren
Moogie wanted to keep Aaron Rodgers. Aaron Glenn was against it.
And it just feels like, you know, we're seven games
into the season, there's already fingers being pointed in different

(36:38):
directions different media outlets, Like what do you make of
the circus that is the Jets for yet another season?

Speaker 7 (36:46):
I'm par for the course, you know, And I think
this is like to me and I think, what what's
what's interesting about it? Is like that place and we
talked about it last year. That place just needs, like
from a cultural standpoint, like a hard reset, right, like
and like it's difficult to get to where you want

(37:06):
to go when you're going through that, and ownership is
a really important piece of it. And like I I
actually like I kind of would say ownership is more
important when things are bad than when things are good,
Like when things are good, the owners should pretty much
stay out of the way when things are bad. I

(37:27):
think they become pretty important figures. And that to me,
like is one thing that's a little lost in the
Lions and what the Lions were able to accomplish under
Dan Campbell over the last four plus years is like,
this is the Lions four years ago and Aaron Glenn
was there, right, Like, so they started that season zho
to nine. They were oh, ten and one. Then they

(37:49):
show life at the end of the year, right, so
they go three and three, finished the year. There's a
little excitement over that, and then the next year they
start like one in six or one in seven. And
Sheila Ford had to come out and say something, had
to come out and talk to the media at one point,
and like she basically stood behind everybody in the building
and said, like, we trust in what we're doing. It's

(38:12):
going to turn like we believe in all the people
we put in place. She didn't talk about the football
decisions that they were making, just her belief in Dan
Campbell and Brad Holmes and all the other people there.
And you know, eventually, you know, we know what became
of that. And I just look at this and they're
only seven, but there's a big, big hole that they

(38:32):
had to dig out of coming into the year. And
you know, I just the comments that what he made
the other day don't really help, you know. I think
the better thing to do in this case is to
is to stand behind your guys and see if they
can dig you out of the hole. And it doesn't

(38:53):
look very good right now, and I don't think anybody
would say that it does. But you know, I think
that if you're ever gonna get anywhere, you're gonna have
to you're gonna have you're gonna have to stick with
something you know, and you're gonna have to show patients
and it's going to take time. And that's where the
Jets are right now. And you'd hate to see them

(39:16):
just completely. And I don't know whether or not Aaron
Glenn and Darren Moose you're gonna make it or not
as the coach or GM long term if you give
them a ton of rope. But I think after everything
you've been through, you all it yourself to you owe
to yourself if you're the owner to give them the
very best shot they they they can get to dig
you to dig your franchise.

Speaker 4 (39:34):
Out of it, all right, I'll sounds sensible though, I'm sorry, Yeah,
I'm just saying that that sounds sensible, but that doesn't
happen that way, Like that's and there.

Speaker 3 (39:44):
It sounds good, but yeah.

Speaker 5 (39:45):
Albert lay money down right now? Is Aaron Glenn and
Darren Moogie both in their positions after the season? If
you had to bet.

Speaker 7 (39:54):
And that that's the problem is I don't know, you
know what I mean, Like I I.

Speaker 5 (40:01):
So then you're probably betting against like one of them
getting clipped.

Speaker 7 (40:04):
Basically, I don't think it's impossible. I mean, like, I
don't think I think everything's on the table. I don't
think it's I mean, everything's on the table with that franchise.
And that's sort of the problem, you know what I mean, Like,
and it's been the problem there forever is that everything
is constantly on the table, you know.

Speaker 5 (40:20):
And so why doesn't Woody realize that, Like is he
not self aware.

Speaker 2 (40:24):
Enough to understand that even the problem having like.

Speaker 7 (40:29):
I mean it's even yeah, I mean it's even like
having the all right, so your team's own seven, right,
he owns I think it's like forty percent of Crystal
Palace the soccer team over in the UK. Right, It's
it's even like having the self awareness to not wear
a crystal palace hat when your team's own seven, you know,

(40:49):
walking into an owner's meeting, you know what I mean,
Like it's it's just stuff like that, like where it's like, huh,
that's interesting, you know what I mean, Like it's and
I don't know why this hasn't been fixed, but it's
been going on for twenty five years. This way, this
is the way it's been forever and ever, and you know,

(41:09):
I like I think in the end, like he wound
up and again, like I don't know if Robert Sola
and that group would have made it, but I mean
they fired solid when they were what two and three
with a very manageable schedule going forward, and the defense
was playing really well. And so you lose the guy
who is the architecture your defense and your head coach.
You're taking your defensive coordinator making him the head coach,

(41:31):
so you're stretching your defensive staff thin like and then
the whole thing sort of blows up.

Speaker 3 (41:37):
You know.

Speaker 7 (41:37):
It's just it's it's like it's what happens when you're
paying way too much attention to what the tabloids are saying,
what's being set on social media, the climate and the
media like all of that, and I just it's this
never ending cycle of that. You know, just because some

(41:57):
calumnists says that zero to five all your football people
have no clue what they're doing doesn't make it true.
But you know, if you listen to enough of it,
you can become a convinced of it. And I think
that's sort of been the problem there for a long time.

Speaker 2 (42:13):
Good Jamas, Aby, do you think that there's any concern
because we were talking about Thursday Night football coming up
later on and it's Chargers Vikings, Is there any concern
about JJ McCarthy at this point as far as what
they've been able to get from him, which isn't much
due to health, but also when they have had him

(42:33):
on the field, it hadn't looked all that great outside
of one quarter against the Bears.

Speaker 7 (42:39):
Yeah, I mean, I think that this sort of illustrates,
you know, and I think they've had ups and downs
with him, like where it really looks like it's coming
and then one thing or the other gets in the way, right,
whether it's injury or anything else. So you know, how
do you build a momentum, how do you sustain the momentum,
because that's what being an NFL coup quarterback is. The

(43:01):
seasons are long, you know, and there's a lot that
you have to fight through. And I think, you know,
I think JJ's got a lot of potentially came into
the league really young, you know. But like I, you know,
I think you can also judge the Vikings and their actions,
which you know, I can remember when the when the

(43:22):
Chiefs were, We're coming out of Patrick Mahomes rookie year,
and how the sites that they were in getting rid
of and getting rid of Alex Smith, you know, like
it was the end of January that year. They had
just been in the playoffs. Okay, we're trading Alex Smith,
We're clearing the decks. Patrick Mahomes is our guy. And

(43:42):
you know, the Vikings actions of late have been very
different from that, right, Like where in the off season
they offer you know, they offer Sam Donald the deal
he winds up leaving. They offered Daniel Jones fifteen million
guaranteed to come back, he winds up leaving, leaving. Both
those guys leave because they felt like there was a
better opportunity to be a multi year starter somewhere else.

(44:04):
I think both those guys probably made the right decision
based on the way that there are situations that played
out Sam and Seattle and DJ and and Indy, and
so then it's like, okay, like, well, like you know,
now we're going to go forward with JJ and we're
gonna trade for Sam Howell and see how that goes.

(44:24):
And they gave them an opportunity to give them an
opportunity to get get JJ every rep in the off season,
and then at the end of the summer they wind
up signing signing Carson Wentz, and all of that is like,
we're not gonna We're not willing to over We're not
willing to throw our season overboard with a fourteen win

(44:44):
team from a year ago, with all the veteran players
we have and the name of quarterback development, we're not
going to just you know, we're not gonna, We're not
gonna sacrifice a year in these guys' careers to ride
out the bumps with the young quarterback. And now, you know, like,
I think they've got a decision to make, you know,

(45:05):
so I don't think Carson Wentz has played great. That's
the other part of it. So you know, if JJ
is not back in there when he's healthy, then obviously
being an indictment on him. But I think they will,
I think going back to him, and I think again,
if he can get some momentum going where you gain
some momentum, I think he can be a pretty good
quarterback this year.

Speaker 5 (45:25):
Albert, I want to ask you the temperature of I
guess Steven Ross with Mike McDaniel, I feel like the
Dolphins almost feels like every week we're waiting for something
that to happen, you know, based on their performance, and
I know to a struggle to which hasn't helped. But
is that kind of the next head coaching potential vacancy
we should be monitoring.

Speaker 7 (45:47):
Yes, yes, Like I think in that case, it's like
to me, there are two reasons to fire a head
coach this early in game, right The one the players
aren't responding to him the same way that they were before.
I think that is at least in play to a

(46:10):
degree right now. And then the second reason to do
it would be because there's somebody on your staff you
want to take a look at and get given audition
to and I think that's the play also with Anthony
we Weaver as their defensive coordinator. So I think at
some point over the course the next caught five six weeks,
if things don't turn around, I absolutely think the idea

(46:32):
of them going to to Anthony Weavers in play. And
you know, I think this really kind of goes back
to i'd say three years ago, two three years ago,
when when Tyreek and Jalen Ramsey and and all these
guys are on the team. They're they're being aggressive in
the way they're building, and you know, they really had
a culture there. It was permissive of the stars, like
the stars could kind of get away with whatever they wanted,

(46:55):
and that's fine when you're winning, you know. But then
at the end of twenty three I wound up driving
Vic Tangio out of there because Vic clash with the
star players, and the star players were freelancing and kind
of doing what they wanted on defense. And then you
come back last year and you're like, Okay, we're going
to try to run it back one more time with

(47:15):
this group, and it crumbled. And so you know, they
tried to emphasize culture, you know, going into this year,
but can you put that genie back in the bottle,
you know, and so far it looks like they haven't
been able to. So I'll be interested to see what
it looks like, you know, this week, and and and
and going forward, coming off of what I thought was

(47:36):
a really really bad loss in Cleveland.

Speaker 3 (47:39):
Abe.

Speaker 4 (47:39):
That's it's not just those teams, not just the Jets,
It's not just the Dolphins. A team that it jumps
out at me. That's it's very interesting. And I know
the quick response will be well because they don't have
Lamar Jackson, but the Ravens only have one win this season,
and that, to me, it's funny. We hear so much

(48:02):
criticism and so much scrutiny. Go to Pittsburgh and is
it time to move on from Mike Tomlin. This wasn't
a good enough season, even though they made the playoffs,
and you hear so many things that are said about
what Mike Tomlin doesn't do. And the only reason why
I'm drawing the comparison is I think that Mike Tomlin
and Harball are very relatable in terms of what they've

(48:26):
been able to do career wise. But we never hear
these types of murmurs or whispers or conversations take place
with the Ravens, but they're one one team like that
is that does that become a conversation.

Speaker 7 (48:43):
Well, I think you did. You have it points serveing
a couple points from Harbaugh's and closer to the end
of his contract when we've heard some of those conversations
about whether or not it's time for everybody to move on.
I think that's natural, and that happens when you know
a which has been in one place for as long
as John Harbaugh has been there. I think I think

(49:03):
John Harbaugh's one year short of Tomlin, right, Like I
think Tomlin's in his nineteenth year in Pittsburgh and Harbaugh's
in his eighteenth and in Baltimore, which is an incredibly
long run for any head coach. I mean, I think
you got to give them, Lvar a chance to see
if you can dig himself out of this. So much
of it, like was related to injury, and they've been

(49:26):
beat up, whether you're talking about you know, Lamar obviously,
but also you know Ronnie Stanley missing time, ro Quand
Smith will come back this week. Ronnie Stanley's been banged up.
Like it's just I mean, they've been playing with a
hand tie behind their back. And if you look at
their schedule, right, and like I just you know, obviously

(49:48):
it's tough to do this, but you look at their
schedule because the Bears this week, if they can find
a way to beat the Bears this week, I think
it's possible that they're six and five on Thanksgiving Night
against the Right and that becomes a pretty big game
if the Angles continue playing the way that they did
last Thursday. So I think there's a real opportunity for
the Ravens to come out of this and really get rolling.

(50:10):
Their schedule is pretty soft over the next month, and
if like it looks like again they're starting to get
a little healthier, I think there's a real chance for
them to start rolling and put this conversation behind them.
But if they can't dig out of it, then, you know,
I certainly think there'll be some of that talk as
we post the end of the year.

Speaker 2 (50:28):
Albert, last one for me, the trade deadline right around
the corner. Have you heard any rumblings about a potential
deal or two that could take place.

Speaker 7 (50:37):
Yeah, I would say I would say, like there are
a few teams you can circle here. Tennessee is certainly
one that I think a lot of people are going
to be paying attention to because obviously they've already fired
their coach, They're not going anywhere this year, So how
willing are they to trade off offensive pieces, you know,
because obviously it's going to affect the development of their
young quarterback. So I'm sure they'll get called on rid

(51:00):
Ley and and and and uh and Tony Pollard and
guys like that. There's some guys defensively, although it's not
it's not a I'm not a great roster, obviously, there
are some names on defense to guys like Ard and
Key that could have some value. The Jets are another one.
There are a lot of young players that are coming
close to the end of their rookie deals. There guys

(51:21):
like Jermaine Johnson and I think you know would have
listed some phone calls as well, you know, and then
you know Miami, the pass rushers that Miami has, those
would be two of the bigger names out there. The Saints,
I think our team you can look at like, I
think they'll probably extend Olave, but they'll get calls on
O Lave until they extend them. Supposed to be some

(51:44):
of the names that I would look at. I think
there's always a lot of discussion, and hey, it's gonna
be it's gonna be different this year. I sort of
believe that one of I believe that when I see it,
but got a couple of weeks ago, and I think,
as much as anything, it's, you know, over next week
or two about the bad teams continuing to play bad.

(52:04):
If that happens, then the chances of a big tra
of big trades definitely goes up.

Speaker 5 (52:09):
Albert. Will you be in Columbus for Ohio State Penn
State next week?

Speaker 2 (52:13):
Yeah?

Speaker 7 (52:15):
I don't think so. I wish I could make it
out there. I'm actually you know what, I'm where. I
actually am going to be on that Saturday. So it's
gonna be my son's eleventh birthday, and I believe we're
gonna be going to be taking him and a bunch
of his football teammates to b C Notre Dame. So
we'll be actually watching your alma.

Speaker 2 (52:34):
Mater, not mine.

Speaker 7 (52:34):
Huh.

Speaker 2 (52:35):
Well, hopefully you're not the mush for Notre Dame like
you have been for Ohio State.

Speaker 7 (52:39):
I mean, see, we'll see, I might I might bring
some bad luck to you. Guys, we'll see what happened.

Speaker 5 (52:43):
You might you're trying to sabotage our season.

Speaker 4 (52:45):
Man.

Speaker 5 (52:45):
I mean, here's the thing is, I thought you'd want
to be able to be there so you could talk,
you know, talk to LeVar at some point about that matchup.

Speaker 2 (52:51):
But I guess not.

Speaker 7 (52:52):
Yeah, why I wish. I con are you gonna be
in Columbus?

Speaker 4 (52:58):
I had plant on it, and then those plans changed.
They could change again.

Speaker 5 (53:05):
Kind of a fair weather fan. If you're asking me,
I'm just saying you should support your team. I mean,
it would be my chance to see you var, it'd
be nice to hang out.

Speaker 3 (53:12):
Yeah, you're going.

Speaker 4 (53:14):
You know, the last time we did that, we we
lost when I showed up and I had the gout foot, And.

Speaker 5 (53:20):
That's actually happened every time you've we've got to put
a game together.

Speaker 3 (53:24):
Yeah we've lost, which means it was it was my fault.

Speaker 2 (53:28):
Maybe I'm the.

Speaker 3 (53:29):
Mush it's the big game's fault.

Speaker 5 (53:32):
Actually, I'm trying to think.

Speaker 2 (53:33):
If I've seen many Penn State wins, that's.

Speaker 3 (53:36):
What I'm saying.

Speaker 4 (53:37):
Every game was a big game that you've covered, probably
have not seen us win well, even like.

Speaker 5 (53:42):
The Iowa Penn State game. Member they win, you put
that was a Clifford got hurt. They put in the
backup arm stiff arm. The shorty was hitting towards a
victory that day. And then we did have a great
fight out. We had a great Friday.

Speaker 3 (53:55):
We definitely did.

Speaker 5 (53:57):
We had a good time.

Speaker 3 (53:58):
We did. We did start.

Speaker 7 (54:03):
Is backing behind any candidate for the job.

Speaker 2 (54:05):
Yet we've tried.

Speaker 5 (54:06):
He's been very tight lipped about it. I've been trying
to you know, why I pushed out there, Albert and
this is like, I don't know why this guy doesn't
get more talked about. Is Jeff Munkin at Army. You know,
people are like, oh, he's a he's an option guy.
It's like, well, no, he's running that because they have
to run that to be competitive. Like if he went
to Penn State, if he went to another school, he.

Speaker 2 (54:26):
Would run a normal offense like everyone else.

Speaker 5 (54:29):
But like they won twelve games a year ago, you know, yeah,
I mean they've literally become like a very consistent winning program.
When you know, it's funny like Matt Rule, you know,
in one of his top twenty five wins that year
at Temple is best year. I'm pretty sure Army beat them.
Like if you if you go back and look through
the history of some of the guys, these other guys

(54:51):
who've got powerful jobs, it's like, yeah, yeah, they lost
Army that year, and you're like, well, why are we
hiring that guy? So it doesn't make any sense to me.
If like, if you're looking for a program builder, someone
who obviously knows how to lead, and especially like young
men who are going to Army or out there West Point,
but also just like scheme, creative, innovative. I mean, he's

(55:12):
working with nothing in regards to nil and those are
the results. Like you can't you can't give him.

Speaker 7 (55:17):
A shot, right, I guess to question, I guess the
question would be then and then I agree with everything
he said and like being able to win with you know,
it's like sort of the Brad Stevens thing, right, Like
Brad Stevens worked in the NBA because at Butler he
always had to win with less, right Like, so that
actually translated right over. The only question I would have

(55:39):
is like his lack of experience swimming in those waters
where you have to raise money and you have to
do the nil thing. I wonder if that would like
with Lauren, I actually don't know, you know what I mean, Like,
I completely.

Speaker 3 (55:53):
That's that one.

Speaker 5 (55:53):
But like, you know, right, But here's the thing I'd
always say about like that to people. It's like, yeah,
I know how to play quarterback in Notre Dame until
I got there, right, we figured that out like that
that would be my rebuttal. It's like Jeff Monkin figured
out how to make Army successful. I don't know. I'm
betting on him. I think he'll figure it out. Like,
let's not give it to another coach who's proven that

(56:14):
he's either got a ceiling or he hasn't been been
able to do it. Why not give it to a
guy who like has been able to do it with less,
Like I feel like that guy's more resourceful. That guy's
going to be the type of guy that can actually
build up a program if he's already working with nothing
and you give him resources. Yeah, I think he'll.

Speaker 7 (56:29):
Figure it out, right, I still you think it's gonna.

Speaker 5 (56:32):
Be rolled though, Oh no, I'm just I'm just throwing
it out because a lot of people have reported that
I'm not. You know, LeVar obviously has a better insight
into all that.

Speaker 2 (56:41):
Yeah, but no, We've tried, tried everything. I won't answer
any questions.

Speaker 5 (56:47):
Every time there, every time I asked him a question,
he just goes that's all he does. He literally farts
into his microphone and I'm like, all right, thanks many,
appreciate that.

Speaker 2 (56:59):
AB appreciate it. Enjoy the bye week for Ohio State.
We'll do it again next week, all right, I think
that there he is. Albert Breers, Senior, NFL reported with
content next week at Albert Breer. No, you just call
him next week saying this week, saying this week, and
then he hold do it again next week