October 28, 2025 • 48 mins
Jonas Knox and LaVar Arrington react to the Chiefs beating the Commanders on Monday night. he guys discuss Kirby Smart's explanation of how the present landscape in college football is what led to LSU firing Brian Kelly. FOX Sports NFL and College Football Rules Analyst Dean Blandino joins the guys to dive into some major officiating mishaps in Week 8.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
This is the best of two pros and a couple
Joe with lamar As, Rady Quinn and Jonas Knox on
Fox Radio.
Speaker 2 (00:24):
I told you this song gonna get a little sister.
Speaker 3 (00:31):
I mean it's old today. I'm over it today.
Speaker 2 (00:34):
This song sucks. It doesn't suck. I hate that song
pretty bad.
Speaker 3 (00:40):
It's a pretty decent song. But I wouldn't have choke.
I mean, I get it though you're a lost boy.
Speaker 4 (00:45):
Say something as somebody who's authored a few bad songs
himself when I was in a band. This song is bad.
I am a qualified judge. This song is brutal. But
it's the nostalgia though. Yeah, and listen, Halloween's Friday. It's
not going to be here that long. So it's this
week and then uh man up and vanished like a
fart in the wind by next week.
Speaker 2 (01:06):
Hey, dishevel was awesome? All right? Yeah? Huh?
Speaker 4 (01:09):
Really, hi, Coop, why I'm sitting here, Coop?
Speaker 2 (01:14):
It is uh?
Speaker 5 (01:15):
Hi?
Speaker 2 (01:15):
Var? How was your birthday?
Speaker 4 (01:17):
Var? Me?
Speaker 2 (01:18):
It was great? It was really good. I just slept
all day, made a little cake post and then you know,
watched the Dodgers. Whoa cake post? Huh?
Speaker 3 (01:27):
Alright, alright, ether do we have Q No? No, no, yeah, yeah,
no Brady Quinn No Brady today. It was his birthday
yesterday too, was it really?
Speaker 2 (01:36):
Are you supposed to say that?
Speaker 5 (01:37):
Yeah?
Speaker 4 (01:38):
Well, listen, I think everybody knew Big Noon kickoffs.
Speaker 2 (01:40):
I didn't know. I didn't know. I don't be no
because I don't care.
Speaker 3 (01:46):
Yeah, I mean I love y'all, like I really love y'all,
like in that way, but I don't like stuff like that.
I don't care like I don't care. Yeah, Well, if
you tell me like, hey, it's my birthday, I'm be like,
happy birthday, you know. But if it's not your birthday
and be like, hey, how you doing, it's kind of
(02:07):
the same thing, right.
Speaker 2 (02:08):
Yeah, I'm with you, man, your birthday and got s
to do with me? Well, I do know this your
birthday to Coop? Happy birthday, Coop? Liked you feel any different?
November seventeenth coming up. He's a scorpio two. All right.
Speaker 3 (02:26):
You see how you gave me a heads up on
it's on the seventeenth. I won't remember.
Speaker 2 (02:31):
I do not expect you to. Yeah, I won't.
Speaker 3 (02:33):
I will not remember, and nor will I wish you
a happy birthday. Unlets you say hey. Unless I hear
somebody say hey, happy birthday, Coop, then I'll be like
a second third forthcomer to the party, you know.
Speaker 2 (02:45):
Pause, yeah, respectfully.
Speaker 4 (02:47):
Yeah, it's two pros and a cup of Joe.
Speaker 2 (02:52):
Here be the first one out the gate. Huh. Happy birthday, Coop?
Hey cute, Happy birthday? Why something like that? You'd like
be jovial? You can't put a little more base in
my voice? Happy birthday? A right, there you go, Happy birthday, Coop.
Speaker 4 (03:06):
I don't want you to misrepresent my whiteness. By the way,
it is.
Speaker 2 (03:09):
Black your vampires.
Speaker 1 (03:12):
It is.
Speaker 4 (03:13):
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and a cup of Joe here on Fox Sports Radio.
No Brady Quinn, it will be LeVar Arrington and myself.
For those of you that are new to this version
of the show, basically, we're black and dragt because LeVar
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Speaker 3 (03:27):
And I look like Dracula. So no, you are Dracula.
Why would you say I look like I'm black? No,
I'm black. You don't look.
Speaker 2 (03:39):
Like you're Dracula. You're Draccula. By twenty three and meters,
what the hell I look like I'm black? And by
the way you look like you're dra So that's where
we're going to go with That is correct.
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have more on the game that just ended, like I
(04:15):
don't know, there was a down Yeah, the uh god,
the World Series game that went just under six hours
and forty minutes last night into the eighteenth inning between
the Dodgers and the Blue Jake I want to lose. Yeah,
apparently not Freddie Freeman with the walk off in the
eighteenth So that was fun. So we'll have we'll have
(04:35):
more on that coming up shortly as we get into
all these sights and sounds from that at Dodger Stadium,
which was a long one last night.
Speaker 3 (04:43):
You couldn't have asked for a better game though, right,
I mean, oh yeah, if you're at the TV people
and all that stuff. Like, you couldn't ask for a better,
better matchup. It was a class well better matchup you
could have, but it was. It definitely was a classic game.
Speaker 4 (04:57):
I would say it out did the matchup on Monday
Night between the Chiefs and the uh your Commanders.
Speaker 3 (05:07):
They don't look bad at all. They look real that.
They really look real feisty. They look real feisty, bro.
Speaker 4 (05:16):
The whole you know, that whole well super Bowl hangover thing.
I love how that.
Speaker 2 (05:21):
They're getting old.
Speaker 4 (05:23):
Yeah, Like I love how that doesn't apply to the Chiefs,
Like it doesn't apply to the Patriots back when they
were in their dominant era. It doesn't apply to Kansas City.
And now they've got receivers coming back healthy. They've got
Travis Kelsey who was still you know, there's a couple
of plays a game Be're.
Speaker 2 (05:39):
Like what was that?
Speaker 4 (05:40):
And then Patrick Mahomes just out there dealing man, and
the defense is still holding up their end of the bargain.
Speaker 3 (05:48):
The defense has carried them, Yeah, have always been steady.
And how they are able to represent that team.
Speaker 4 (05:56):
Their defense has been more consistent than the offense past
two years.
Speaker 3 (06:00):
Yes, it's been It's always been their defense. It's their
offense that has the ability to truly, truly set them apart.
Like Patrick Mahomes is what everybody thinks he is, and
Andy Reid is everything that we think he is. But
(06:23):
I think if you were to ask Andy Reid what
is the lifeblood of this team, I think he would
say his defense. I think he would say coach spags
and his defense. I don't think that he would would
just necessarily go straight to the offensive side of the ball.
But that is a talented group. They are deep, they
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are all back. I'm telling you, Pacheco doesn't get crazy
amounts of yards, but he is so effective and demoralizing guy.
When he runs the ball, he has like this impact
when he runs the ball, like I'm coming out here
(07:08):
as the hammer. We are putting him out there, and
Kareem Hunt as a hammer too. You got two hammers.
So with all of the all of the wonderful pass
plays that we see off as Q would say, if
he was here, what is it off? The off the
the what is it called? I forget what it's called.
(07:30):
But anyways, like Patrick Mahomes can throw the ball and
deliver the form, that's probably the right term now then
there you go. It's his ability to be able to
deliver the ball from so many different angles with the
same amount of accuracy. They highlighted it during the game
(07:51):
last evening, just discussing how there's probably never been a
quarterback that's played this game that can see the field
as well as Patrick Mahomes is able to see it. Yeah,
it's it's it's amazing.
Speaker 2 (08:05):
They pilot there, Yeah.
Speaker 3 (08:07):
They said yeah, they said yeah, they said he had
a fighter pilot focused like uh, you know, Razor, like
just totally dialed in.
Speaker 2 (08:15):
But if if you.
Speaker 3 (08:19):
Can't pressure Patrick Mahomes and you can't contain him within
pressuring him, meaning if you send an overload, he's going
to get you if that overload doesn't get there quickly
and and disrupts him to the point of where he
(08:40):
has to run. Run to buy time, not move or
not move around, but he has to run. That's your
only chance against this team. You got to be able
to stop their run. So so that creates one of
the most daunting tasks that you could ever have, is
(09:01):
that to think the best quarterback in the game has
a running attack and it's a dual head monster, which
you've always had two running backs pretty much on good teams,
well some of them. I don't know about all of them,
but you've had you've had multiple running backs that can
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carry the load. This is a team that has multiple
running backs in the backfield that are effective. Their offensive
line is doing very nicely and being able to open
up gaps and create opportunities in the running game, and
are protecting him fairly well in the passing game.
Speaker 2 (09:40):
That's just balance. With Patrick Mahomes.
Speaker 3 (09:43):
As your quarterback is a very very difficult task and
it's not going to get any easier moving forward, considering
if all of his weapons stay healthy. I mean, they're
faster than what they were when they had Tyreek Hill.
Speaker 4 (09:58):
Yeah, Chiefs of Bills is the next one on the slate.
For the early gut feeling going into that game tells
you because I'm fascinated to.
Speaker 2 (10:11):
See how it plays out. Where is it at in Buffalo?
Speaker 3 (10:15):
Yeah, you know, my early gut says to me, it's
it's definitely going to be a fight. That game is
definitely going to be a preview of probably the two
best teams out there.
Speaker 4 (10:32):
You know how good Kansas City looks right now? Their
favorite at Buffalo.
Speaker 2 (10:36):
I mean as they should be.
Speaker 4 (10:38):
They should be, but that's that's an impressive I don't
want to say feet, but Buffalo looked pretty good coming
off that bye week. James Cook adds another dynamic to
that team. Josh Allen, the reigning MVP of the league
and Kansas City sitting there going on the road with
the way that they're performing, in the way that they're playing,
(11:00):
and the odds makers are saying, yeah, that's about right.
Speaker 3 (11:03):
They should be favorite in Buffalo. They're just too balanced.
They're so talented and they're so balanced now. And when
I say balanced, I mean all three receivers, tight end,
two receivers, tight end, whatever it is you want to
call it. With their backfield, with their defense, you cannot
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You can slow them down like Washington slowed them down.
They did not have crazy offensive output early in the game.
It wasn't like they came out and from from gun
to gun like gun to finish, they were dominating Washington.
Washington was in the game. They turned the ball over
(11:51):
early in the game, they had a nice drive going.
They didn't have their starting quarterback. That should be mentioned.
You didn't have Jane Daniels playing in the game. This
was a very very banged up Washington, Washington commander's team.
You know, then Tunsul goes out injured, it's an injured team.
(12:13):
It's not a healthy team. But with that being said,
once they got that thing going and their defense came
out and they showed up early. Anyway, they got the turnover,
they they they gave the ball back. They they held
up and didn't allow Washington to get right into the
end zone. So to me, when you when you look
(12:36):
at what Kansas City was able to do in last
evening's game, it's going to be a game. Yeah, it's
certainly going to be a game with Buffalo. But man,
the way they look right now, they're pretty They're starting
to look pretty scary.
Speaker 4 (12:53):
It also like, let's let's say Buffalo, you know, puts
on a show and wins that game. That's never been
the issue for Buffalo, Like they the Buffalo can win
these games in the regular season. It's the postseason in
which they seemingly come up short and and and basically
everybody in the AFC outside of the Bengals with Joe
Burrow comes up short against the Chiefs. So it's like this, yeah,
(13:17):
this is this is gonna be a fun game. It's
obviously the marquee game if you're looking at the afternoon
slate or the late games if you will, in the
NFL this weekend. But the way the Chiefs are rolling
right now, it's the It's the best the offense has
looked in quite some time, and the defense is still
a problem. And look, the James Cook factor is a
(13:38):
real one. Only Jonathan Taylor's got more more yards rushing
this year than he does in the NFL.
Speaker 3 (13:43):
So he can be consistent at times, like sometimes he
disappears in games that you you really would like to
see him have, Like this is one of the games
where I would say he can he can solidify himself
and in some ways, and being in that big game
(14:03):
and having a very nice showing against Kansas City, I
think would go a long way for him because I
feel like he's never really discussed or talked about. He's
never transitioned into being like the most elite back, like
in the same conversation as a Saquon or a you know,
(14:24):
a tailor, you know, in terms of him being the
most elite back or Derek Hemry. But he has that
type of talent, He has that type of skill and
a big game against the Chiefs. I think would go
a really, really long way. Yeah, yeah, I think it'd
go a long way.
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Speaker 4 (15:27):
We talked yesterday at the firing of Brian Kelly LSU
parting ways with Brian Kelly and just put you know,
felt like an awkward relationship from the get go, just
the way things started, everything that came along with it,
just you know, did not go well with Brian Kelly
there in Baton Rouge Well. Kirby Smart, the Georgia head coach,
(15:49):
he had some thoughts about the situation and the way
things are currently constructed in the world of college football.
Speaker 2 (15:55):
It's the world we live in. Everybody's got a voice.
Speaker 7 (15:58):
It's obviously a tough situation on everybody. I mean, let's
be honest, it's the players dealing with it, fans dealing
with it, coaches dealing with it at this time in
the middle of a season. You know, I think there's
so much built around the playoffs, and it's like everything's
boom or bust and you can't have a normal season.
(16:19):
People got to make decisions earlier based on how somebody does.
And I don't know nothing about it. I know it's
a high expectations. I coached at LSU and a guy
once told me, he said, that office you're in, that's
not your office.
Speaker 2 (16:34):
You're borrowing it.
Speaker 7 (16:35):
And I knew right then that if you didn't win,
you wouldn't.
Speaker 2 (16:37):
Be there long.
Speaker 3 (16:39):
Kirby Smart, that's every coach, especially in this in this
nil transfer portal era of time. It's every major coaches reality.
Like he said, it has created an expectation that is
now more measurable than it's ever been as you think
(17:03):
about it. When I was in school, it was there
was no playoff, so it was the expectation was making New.
Speaker 2 (17:10):
Year's Day.
Speaker 3 (17:12):
Bowl game and you had a successful season. If you
win the bowl game, then that's even more of a
successful season.
Speaker 4 (17:20):
Got people don't remember that the Orange Bowl they mattered.
The Orange Bowl mattered, Sugar the Sugar Bowl it mattered.
You knew that the Rose Bowl represented the winner of
the Big Ten and the winner of the Pack Pack ten,
Pac twelve these these day, those day and ages, a
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coach was able to slide by in that borrowed office,
that rented office that they had. It's so amazing. You
can come into a school as the coach.
Speaker 3 (17:56):
You become outright undisputed highest paid employee of the school.
And if it's a state school of the state, with
what you make, you can change around how the building
is configured, like totally change it. As the head coach,
(18:16):
I want this here, I want my office here, This
is how I want these meeting rooms, this is how
I want the weight room. You can do all these
things to change that building around, and yet and still
it is rented time. They just this man, James Franklin,
loses his job. They just finished the renovations for this
(18:41):
phase of what they were doing with the last building
just opened up in the Greenberg Center, just opened up
the the facility there where they can eat their food
and all this other stuff and they can go there
this Olympic training area where the rehab facilities there are
are phenomenal, phenomenal. I use them myself. And then he's
(19:07):
gone gone his his his his office is straight fire.
The new office straight fire. Got all the you know,
the former players that are doing well in the league.
They're framed, the jerseys are framed, they're on the wall.
(19:27):
Everything his rings are on and and on displayed. And
you got the area where you can sit down. It's
literally like a pimped out, plush Rich Carlton type of
like room in a suite.
Speaker 4 (19:44):
Just the way Matt Rule likes it. That's what I'm
talking about anyway.
Speaker 3 (19:48):
The point that I'm making is, no matter how much
you think you're able to do and have, you have
to have the results that go along with it, because
if you don't, if you're not in position to make
the playoffs, you're in position to lose your job.
Speaker 4 (20:08):
You know, it's because and it's all like and listen,
Kirby Smart makes a great point.
Speaker 2 (20:13):
Yeah, it's the world we live in.
Speaker 4 (20:15):
And I guess my thought on it is this that
I understand they make a hell of a living like
we're you know, nine ten eleven million dollars, and people.
Speaker 3 (20:25):
Will say that's why somebody said on my comments it's
not a volatile job, because I say volatile yesterday. It
is a volatile job because you can lose it. You
can have it today and be gone tomorrow. But when
you make when you get forty million, thirty million, sixty
million dollar payouts, it's okay, you got compensated amazingly, but
(20:50):
you're still out of a job.
Speaker 4 (20:52):
And that's why when when people are like, well, I mean, listen,
what are you crying about. You got this much money
to walk away, I mean, give me that much money,
it's like, okay, but you're operating from your wallet right
out theirs and.
Speaker 3 (21:07):
Your understanding and your standards and your level of you know,
whatever it is, your level is right like your expectations.
Because the bottom line is is that I would be
destroyed if I failed the team that I had led
for all these years. Like maybe Kelly's a little different.
(21:27):
He comes across as a tab bit disingenuous. I don't
think that he loved anybody at LSU outside of himself
or in his agenda. I could be wrong, but it
just seems like a self absorbed dude. But when you
get one of those coaches that has been a part
of the organization, like you stay with Franklin is what
I know. And that man has been there for twelve
(21:47):
years and took a program that was in disarray and
survived those years those lean years, built the program back,
started recruiting top tier athletes to come there, ends up
winning a Big Ten championship, ends up being one game
removed from being in the national title game last year,
(22:09):
and has to walk out of that building and let alone,
has to walk into the meeting room and face all
of these young men and women who are in that room,
all staff, and let them know I have been relieved
of my duties.
Speaker 2 (22:26):
What's six weeks in? So now the shockwaves.
Speaker 3 (22:28):
Here's the shockwaves that go through that room and then
begin to work its way around the building. Who's ever
in that meeting? The shockwaves are? Am I going to
have my scholarship next year? Players? Should I leave because
I'm an older guy? But you know what do I do? Coaches?
(22:49):
Will I have a job next year? Scouting department? Will
I have a job next year? Video? You know, the
guys that capture the practices? Will I have a job
next year? The equipment room. Will we have a job
next year? Like you start to name it the training room?
Will I have a job next year? You have to
(23:11):
go the shockwaves. Isn't just the job for the head coach.
It is an entire ecosystem that you're talking about. The
support group, the fifth quarter that they had there, the
lady that helps out the players, make sure travel and
insurance and stuff like paying taxes and travel when there's
a bye week, or when you get the tickets, whatever
(23:33):
it may be. Player relations, between the ambassador of the program,
with the fans and the donors. Everybody now is on
notice that you may or may not have a job
here at the conclusion of the season. So it goes
far beyond just the idea of a head coach loses
(23:54):
their job. Sure they get compensated very nicely for what
they're doing, but imagine carrying the weight as a coach.
Imagine having to carry the weight up. I got to
look you in your eyes knowing that I'm about to
get my payout and I'm straight. I really am financially good.
But I got to handle the idea that you're making
(24:15):
sixty five thousand dollars a year. Yeah you over here,
you're making ninety thousand a year. You're making one hundred
thousand a year, and the holidays are right around the corner.
Come on, man, like that now, now you're getting into
the now. You're getting into the weeds of what this
all represents when you start making these changes and you're
forced to make these changes.
Speaker 4 (24:36):
That's why I just I've been let go. I've been
let go in radio, and this is my dream and
I remember what that and that it's like borderline traumatizing
because you're you're terrified I was never going to get
an opportunity again. That's why I work as much as
I do because I don't don't. I don't want to
lose it again because I know what it did to
(24:57):
me psychologically. And if you're one of these coaches, yeah, listen,
Brian Kelly's getting fifty four million dollars or whatever he
is he's getting James Franklin's getting, you know, tens of
millions of dollars, you know, as long as he shows
that he's out there, you know, trying to get a job.
But yeah, all those people on their staff that had
those jobs because of the trust and relationships they had
(25:18):
with those coaches all gone. They're not making fifty four
million dollars, they're not making any of that much nowhere
close to that, and they're all scrambling going, well, now
what like and I don't know, I'm depending on this
guy and whether or not he's going to get an opportunity.
And you've got people out there like, well, he didn't
he didn't he didn't win a national championship, or he
(25:40):
didn't go far enough at a college football playoff, he's out
of here. If you were to tell James Franklin as
he's walking off the field in Miami at the game
that we were at in the semi final, oh, by
the way, buddy by by by Halloween, you're you're out,
like well before Halloween the next year, you're out. He'd
(26:01):
be like, wait, what what are you talking about? Like
this like none of it makes any sense, But you've
got the fan base pushing for it. You've got all
these people that are saying, you know, do this, fire this.
And it was Nick Saban who made the point on
ESPN over the weekend when he said, if I'm taking
a Penn State job or a Florida job or some
job like that, the first thing I need to know
(26:23):
is who has power here? He goes, I need to
know whether or not I'm the final say on stuff,
or whether or not somebody who's providing, you know, an
infusion of cash into the program, whether or not they're
going to dictate to me and try and tell me
how I need to build my roster and how I
need to build my.
Speaker 3 (26:42):
Is so complicated. It's such a deep rabbit hole because again,
you're not supposed to how do you say this, Like,
you can't have a coach be in a situation where
they're the final word. And at the same time, as
a coach, you can't be in a situation where you're
not comfortably situated to make big decisions, whether it be
(27:09):
who's playing, whether it be what you're doing. You can
have somebody else dictating to you that way. Now, if
it extends beyond the parameters of what happens on the
football field. That's different, Like what does that look like?
What did those conversations look like? I don't know, but
I could suspect that. Knowing that you have this guaranteed
(27:34):
amount of money that could pay an entire roster, and
you still have comfortably an amount of money that you
make in your check, you're going to feel a certain
level of well, go ahead, you wanna fire me, Go ahead, Fine,
(27:56):
don't bring me here to build the culture to build
a winner, and you're not giving me the freedom and
the autonomy to be able to do it. That's why
you have these large ass contracts being given out from
these large ass schools to get a coach that can
bring them a national title. The biggest complication moving forward
(28:23):
is that you are going to be measured and judged
by being able to make it to the college playoff one. Now,
the bar is there. You've got to make it to
the playoffs or you're risking losing your job. Then, once
you make it to the playoffs, how far can you
go into the playoffs? That's number two. Those are the
two major things that coaches are facing at major schools,
(28:45):
blue blood schools now in this new football college football
playoff that we're in. And I'm gonna tell you right now.
You add in transfer portal and nil to that equation,
and you have a very, very turbulent space that exists
(29:06):
in college football.
Speaker 1 (29:07):
Now, be sure to catch live editions of Two Pros
and a Cup of Joe with Brady Quinn, LeVar Errington,
and Jonas Knox weekdays at six am Eastern, three am Pacific.
Speaker 4 (29:18):
It's two Pros and a Cup of Joe. Fox Sports Radio.
Tell him, Jonas, there's no Brady Quinn, none, he disappeared.
Speaker 2 (29:31):
What's his problem?
Speaker 4 (29:34):
But it's LeVar Arrington. Forget about it, You're fired, and
Jonas knocks here. Jonas coming up in about twenty minutes
from now, we're gonna have another edition of the Leftovers
makeing off. You can't refused, Jonas, But who needs leftovers
when you got the main course? Now, get him some
parm We welcome in the one and only Dean Blandino.
(29:55):
Take him to the bakery, Fox Sports, NFL College Football
Rules Analysts. Get him some bread and you can get
him on X if you dare at Dean Blandino. Dean,
good morning, Good.
Speaker 5 (30:08):
Morning, Dean, good morning, guys. I don't get My week
is always made when I do. You guys, practice your
your Marlon Brando.
Speaker 2 (30:19):
He just really did really good.
Speaker 5 (30:20):
It's just cold and you go right into it. You're like,
I haven't done it all week. I'm just going in,
all right.
Speaker 4 (30:26):
So here's a little behind the scenes on that, and
everything I tell you I'm about to tell you is true.
Speaker 2 (30:32):
All right.
Speaker 4 (30:32):
So my my brother Tyrone, he's white.
Speaker 2 (30:35):
Okay, I just want to point that out.
Speaker 5 (30:36):
First, literally the first thing I.
Speaker 4 (30:38):
Was saying, okay, okay, all right.
Speaker 2 (30:43):
So he's also gets pretty deep.
Speaker 4 (30:46):
He's also he's also my godfather, and so growing up
I didn't understand, but he would always talk to me
in Marlon Brando's voice, and I never understood it because
why did When he talks to me, it's different, and
he would he had the Marlon Brando and to this
day he still does it and he's got it down
to a t. So I've just picked it up over
the years because I've heard him talk to me like
(31:07):
that isn't my entire life.
Speaker 5 (31:08):
So that's perfect.
Speaker 4 (31:09):
Yeah, now I do. I just took a little search
on social media and decided, you know, why do not?
I just go ahead and throw in NFL officiating on
X and Giants fans are pissed off because it appears
that a wide receiver was going to make a play,
(31:30):
he had his arm grabbed by an Eagles defender and
that was called offensive PI. Is that just a miss
or is there a true justification on that call as
to why it went the other way and not the
way of defensive pass interference when clearly there was a
grab of the forum of the wide receiver.
Speaker 5 (31:51):
Well, look, I didn't love the call. I think I
see what the official saw. I think you watched Layton.
He what they're looking for is looking for a receiver
to put, you know, extend his arms into the body
of the defender, create that space. But whenever you've got
a receiver and a defender, they're both kind of hand fighting.
The dB there is he's grabbing Slayton. Clayton's trying to
(32:14):
get off of that contact, and and you're going to
give the receiver the ability to do that. Now he can't,
he can't take two hands and shove and clearly foul
himself even though he's he's being grabbed. But that, that
to me was not I think it was. I think
it was I've seen worse calls, but but you know,
(32:35):
in that game, we saw worse calls, but but that
was that was definitely one that I didn't see. I
didn't see that as offensive pass the appearance.
Speaker 3 (32:43):
Dan, let me ask you about the phenomenon of being
able to punch the ball out.
Speaker 2 (32:49):
It's become a thing. They teach it. But I think
what people.
Speaker 3 (32:53):
May not be realizing and what they may not be seeing,
is there is also the times where there's a miss.
And now I'm starting to see where when they're punching
for the ball, they may punch them unintentionally, they may
punch them somewhere else other than where the ball is
and locating the ball. Do you see this potentially becoming
(33:15):
a point of emphasis that in terms of what maybe
the competition committee looks at or what the referees are
looking at if they don't hit the ball like I
saw a player. I think it might have been a
quarterback too. I could be wrong, but I could My
recollection is a little little off on it. But he
got punched right in the head, like punched him like
straight in the head. But you could tell he was trying.
(33:37):
He was going for the tackle to punch the ball out.
Does that become a conversation at any point, Absolutely.
Speaker 5 (33:45):
And I think it has been a conversation in the past,
But I think that conversation is going to get more
serious this offseason because because I'm like you, I'm seeing
a lot of it. And obviously this is a tactic
that you think about, right Peanut Tillman the peanut punch,
and I mean this this works. I mean, this is
(34:07):
how many? How many turnovers are do we see every
week every in the NFL where it's because you know,
a defensive player's punching that ball out and it's and
they're and they're not perfect, right, It's not always hitting
the football. But I think that's it's really hard at
full speed with the officials to say, okay, well he
(34:27):
didn't get all ball, maybe he got part of the
ball or did he you know, I think it would
have to be blatantly obvious. And sometimes on film we're
seeing that where he just misses and ends up hitting him,
whether it's in the head or the body. I think
that's definitely going to be a conversation. I don't know
if the league would say, hey, if if it's not
all ball we're going to penalize because again that it's
tough because we know what the intent is, but sometimes
(34:50):
the intent and what happens are two different things. And
I think that's definitely gonna be something that competition can be.
Speaker 4 (34:55):
Looks at Dean Blandino joining us here on Fox Sports Radio,
LeVar Arrington, Joe A. Snox with you here on FSR.
Aaron Rodgers had a bit of a red ass on
Sunday night because he and he's done this throughout the
course of his career. We're on his hard count. He'll
get a team to jump and then it's a free
play and he'll just throw downfield and apparently like it
(35:16):
looked like it worked, and so he operated as if,
all right, I'm gonna get the call here and it's
a free play, and as it turns out, there was
no flag thrown. What goes on in that situation when
it appears that clearly he's offside, Is it on the
center to snap the ball immediately to get that call
or how does that conversation go with officials?
Speaker 5 (35:39):
Yeah, well, you have two officials that are both on
on either ends of the you know, either sideline, and
they're looking right down line of scrimmage, so they're responsible
for the line of scrimmage, fall start off side, those
types of things. Who's in the neutral zone and then
so when you have that and Aaron Rodgers, you know,
he's one of the best, and that, to me, it
(35:59):
was a foul. They were in the neutral zone you
had I think it was Micah Parsons and one of
the other you know, I think it was a defensive
lineman jumped early. And as an official, what you're looking
for is we always tell officials if the defensive players
crowding the line of scrimmage, any any movement forward before
the snap, put them in the nutrient zone, right because
(36:21):
you can't like you can't sit there and say, well
he was like he was an inch into the nutrient
zone verus not. If their crowding the neutral zone, they're
crowding the ball, any forward movement before the snap put
them in it's offside, and so the official has to say, Okay,
are they crowded the news zone or off Sometimes you know,
maybe they're off the ball. Maybe it's a you know,
in a two point I'm off the ball and I
(36:43):
have a little leeway to move forward, you know, I'm
trying to anticipate the snap count on that one. I
thought they were crowding, crowding the ball they jumped should
have been a free play, obviously, like you said, Iron
was not happy and and rightfully so because that should
have been offside.
Speaker 3 (37:00):
Let me ask you about the Toush push situation. You know,
to me, yeah, I get fired up, Dean, And I know,
I know you're so tired. I know it's so it's
so tiring. We got such a different perspective of it
this weekend, more so than I've ever seen, and I
(37:20):
just found it to be curious. The touch push is
based off of pushing through the forward progress. If you
ask me, like if you were to say what makes
the touch push special, it's that moment where force meets
force and there's a stop, there's a there's a pause
almost and and to me, that's the stopping of forward progress.
(37:42):
But the idea of continuing the push and knowing that
you've given the offense the opportunity to try to continue
or re establish that forward progress is what the touch
push to me, in essence, has become like get in there, push, Okay,
there's the melee, continue to push, and that continued push
(38:06):
is when you get the results in this game against
the Giants that took place, and they.
Speaker 2 (38:11):
Blew it dead.
Speaker 3 (38:13):
You blow it dead, and for once you see the
defense actually with that continued forward progress that that re
establishes itself. Tibodeau knocks the ball out. It's a that
should have been a touch push play. They got to
the quarterback, they they dislodged the ball. It's a fumble,
(38:35):
a fumble recovery, and they get stopped on the touch
push and it's a turnover because of a fumble.
Speaker 2 (38:42):
But yet it's blown dead. What was your like, what
was your take on it?
Speaker 5 (38:46):
Like?
Speaker 2 (38:46):
How do they blow it.
Speaker 3 (38:47):
Dead on that one on forward progress? But in most
cases they just allow them to keep pushing. How does
that work?
Speaker 5 (38:54):
You're you're absolutely right that that play is, like you said,
that is base on pushing through that initial contact. And
the way this play is being officiated now it's like
it is literally unstoppable. Like it's already they're already so
good at it. Then now you can move early. Now, well,
(39:15):
we're not gonna We're gonna let you push through the
forward progress and if Hurtz ends up in the end zone,
it's a touchdown, but if the defense ends up with
the ball, we're going to rule forward progress and in
that one, and you know we've talked about this. This
I hate to say, this is an impossible play to
officiate because there's there's short yardist plays that happen without
push push and without all the other crap. And so
(39:37):
that's the play that you cannot blow that dead. You
cannot do that that an official himself would tell you,
I screwed that up. Hurts is pushing forward, he's reaching
the ball out. Tippoteau makes a great play. It's it
was out in space. Everybody could see it. It wasn't
like it was in the middle of the mile that
should have been a fumble. That should have been a fumble,
(39:58):
should have been Giants ball. Well, and it's just again
this either we got officiated correctly or we got to
get rid of whatever has to happen, because this is
happening a lot and it's not we're not making stuff
up at this point. It's like there are real issues
with with this play and the league has to figure
it out.
Speaker 4 (40:19):
What's your gut because it does feel like this this
is going to be out of here in the off
season that they're going to figure out a way because
if it's too difficult to officiate, it was already a
close call last last year when they were voting on it.
It feels like, you know, we're we're in the final
stretch round of.
Speaker 5 (40:36):
This play Yeah, that's that's where I'm at too. It
just feels like, Okay, they're they're whatever whatever evidence is
needed to finally get this thing out. Is we've got
just two eight weeks of the season. We've got enough now. Again,
like we talked about, nothing happens rest of the way
(40:56):
the playoffs, everything's great, nobody says nothing. The the the uproar,
you know, kind of get a little quieter. Sure, but
I think it's at this point. My gut says they're
going to get rid of it. They just got to
figure out, you know, what that rule is going to
look like, how the officials are going to officiate the pushing.
What do you want to do? Do you just want
(41:16):
to get rid of the tousch push or do you
want to get rid of all of it? Right? Pushing
the runner down field and the pile those types of things.
So my gut is, I agree, I think it's gone Dan.
Speaker 3 (41:28):
I also observed rid zone rid zone plays where it's
almost like, how are the referees approaching pis in the
rid zone because it's like, I've seen them call pass
interference against the offense on the picks, but what I'm
(41:52):
not seeing, which I believe, is an unfair advantage to
the offense where it's a two way win.
Speaker 2 (42:00):
One.
Speaker 3 (42:01):
They're pushing, they're pushing off of they're they're like almost
like hitting like a slant, a shallow slant, and they're
pushing into the coverage and then breaking back out, and
if that defender does anything to try to offset the push,
they call PI. Yeah, But to me, it's like, Okay,
(42:25):
if you're pushing him, is it the rid zone that's
making it difficult or making it so that the referees
are like, yeah, he pushed them, and that should be
offensive pass interference Cause in reality, it's really no different
than the pick play that another guy would come and
kind of looks like it's a block, but he's kind
of pushing the guy and he gets caught on him.
(42:48):
If it's the receiver himself doing it, are they looking
at that and saying, Okay, well, he's not five yards
off of the ball. He's more like two or three
yards off of the ball. It's the rid zone. So
we're not going to call the offensive guy for a
pass interference. But if that defender grabs him and it
now becomes a tussle, a fight between the two of them,
(43:10):
which I thought that the referees are supposed to allow
them to let that go, but they're calling it like
that was a call that like kind of bailed the
Dallas Cowboys out with CD Lamb in that moment. So
he gets to catch and it's it's either a positive
thing where you get a touchdown or if you don't
get it, it's still a pass interference and you get
(43:31):
a new set of downs.
Speaker 2 (43:32):
Like how does that work?
Speaker 5 (43:34):
Yeah, I mean those are hard plays to officiate, and
I agree, and whether we just you see it more
in the red zone. A good team, good offensive play callers,
you know, they do a great job of those rub routes,
of those you know where we always tell the officials,
right that receiver has to be in a route running
(43:55):
posture that they can't You can't square up and block,
you can't initiate that content obviously, you can't set a pick,
you know, beyond the yard from the line of scrimmags,
those types of things, but they are tas are very
good at. Like you said that that slant where you're
driving inside on the defender and almost forcing him with
your body to go inside, and then you try to
(44:16):
cut back outside and that DB's go menage going one
way and now ship I grab and and and you're
getting that call on the defense. So it's a really
hard play to officiat, but they're there. There has to
be that recognition from the official because every every eligible
receiver has an official assigned to them initially based on
where they're aligned and then and then, and especially in
(44:38):
the red zone, you know, there's less switches because sometimes
when receivers are running around and grouts and they cross,
one official may have that official at the start of
the play, but then they switch because of where that
route ends up. In the red zone, because everything is
so compact, you have less switches because you want to
stay with and especially in man coverage press, you want
to stay with that receiver because you can't miss any thing.
(45:00):
So it's just a hard play to officiate. And typically
when they do see that that defender grab, that's when
you're going to get the flag down, beholding, But there
has to be that cause and effect idea where okay,
why is that dB at a disadvantage because he's beams
driven inside and that has to be part of it too,
where you give that guy a little more leeway because
of what the receiver's doing.
Speaker 4 (45:22):
Dean last one for me. So this came out, I
was curious to get your thoughts on it. Ken Williamson,
who's the SEC official who was suspended for the remainder
of the season because he had a he had a
bad game. I think there was like nine or eleven
you know calls at the SEC acknowledge were bad calls
in the Auburn Georgia game.
Speaker 2 (45:41):
What how do you get to that?
Speaker 4 (45:44):
Like, like, how do you get to and I don't
recall this happening in the NFL, but how do we
get to Hey, it was so bad, this guy suspended
for the rest of the year. And I think he's
also retiring at the end of the year if I'm
not mistaken, So that's a wrap on his career. But
how do we get to that point in the NFL
and in college?
Speaker 5 (46:05):
Well, before I answer, I just will say, you guys
are on it today. I don't know, like, what's the
one thing that you know, b y See the questions
are like great, and I mean, I don't know what
Brady's I hope everything's okay, but he just like tired,
he's sick because of all the blowouts they have to work.
Speaker 3 (46:28):
Generally, let Brady do the show when he's here. We
just support him. But we're just me and Jonas is
black and drag and we just kind of we just
try to do what we do.
Speaker 2 (46:37):
You know, we actually we actually have talent, but we
just allowed you know, Q to do what he does.
Speaker 5 (46:43):
He doesn't give you guys a chance to shine because
he never shuts up.
Speaker 2 (46:46):
But anyway, we're okay with it. You know, it's good.
That's funny as hell.
Speaker 5 (46:54):
How does it get to that point? It's a great question.
And look, this, this is this is something I've I've
struggled with in my career when I was at the
NFL and I was in charge of the officials, because
you don't want to officials get graded and on everything
every decision they make, and those grades affect their postseason
assignments and they affect eventually whether they come back the
(47:15):
following year. So there is that accountability and you ow,
you got to be careful with Okay, god misses a
PI call, we're going to suspend them, or we're going
to we're going to find because those are just judgment calls.
It's like every time the player drops the drops the pass.
It's not like you're going to cut that player. I
understand over time, players get cut, coaches get fired, get it.
So I think there's something deeper than with this particular official,
(47:39):
where it's not just the one game, you know, and
and and this was probably something over time where and
typically that's not it's not a judgment thing, it's a
misapplication of a rule. It's something that should not happen,
and it happened. And I think this was probably behind
the scenes. I think the fact that he was retiring
(47:59):
at the end of the day year might have had
something to do with it as well. But but it
was unusual. You don't hear that where we're an official,
it's suspended for the rest of the year for something
that is that is the football part of it. They
have the same conduct policies and and you know, we
find and fired officials for stuff off the field, but
(48:19):
but on the field that it was unusual.
Speaker 4 (48:22):
Uh, Dean always appreciate it. We will do it again
next week and we'll send uh, we'll send Brady your reguards.
Speaker 2 (48:29):
All right, take care, boss.
Speaker 4 (48:31):
It's the Great Dean Blandino with us here on Fox
Sports Radio. We'll clip that and save it for Brady
when he returns.
This is the best of two pros and a couple
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Speaker 2 (00:24):
I told you this song gonna get a little sister.
Speaker 3 (00:31):
I mean it's old today. I'm over it today.
Speaker 2 (00:34):
This song sucks. It doesn't suck. I hate that song
pretty bad.
Speaker 3 (00:40):
It's a pretty decent song. But I wouldn't have choke.
I mean, I get it though you're a lost boy.
Speaker 4 (00:45):
Say something as somebody who's authored a few bad songs
himself when I was in a band. This song is bad.
I am a qualified judge. This song is brutal. But
it's the nostalgia though. Yeah, and listen, Halloween's Friday. It's
not going to be here that long. So it's this
week and then uh man up and vanished like a
fart in the wind by next week.
Speaker 2 (01:06):
Hey, dishevel was awesome? All right? Yeah? Huh?
Speaker 4 (01:09):
Really, hi, Coop, why I'm sitting here, Coop?
Speaker 2 (01:14):
It is uh?
Speaker 5 (01:15):
Hi?
Speaker 2 (01:15):
Var? How was your birthday?
Speaker 4 (01:17):
Var? Me?
Speaker 2 (01:18):
It was great? It was really good. I just slept
all day, made a little cake post and then you know,
watched the Dodgers. Whoa cake post? Huh?
Speaker 3 (01:27):
Alright, alright, ether do we have Q No? No, no, yeah, yeah,
no Brady Quinn No Brady today. It was his birthday
yesterday too, was it really?
Speaker 2 (01:36):
Are you supposed to say that?
Speaker 5 (01:37):
Yeah?
Speaker 4 (01:38):
Well, listen, I think everybody knew Big Noon kickoffs.
Speaker 2 (01:40):
I didn't know. I didn't know. I don't be no
because I don't care.
Speaker 3 (01:46):
Yeah, I mean I love y'all, like I really love y'all,
like in that way, but I don't like stuff like that.
I don't care like I don't care. Yeah, Well, if
you tell me like, hey, it's my birthday, I'm be like,
happy birthday, you know. But if it's not your birthday
and be like, hey, how you doing, it's kind of
(02:07):
the same thing, right.
Speaker 2 (02:08):
Yeah, I'm with you, man, your birthday and got s
to do with me? Well, I do know this your
birthday to Coop? Happy birthday, Coop? Liked you feel any different?
November seventeenth coming up. He's a scorpio two. All right.
Speaker 3 (02:26):
You see how you gave me a heads up on
it's on the seventeenth. I won't remember.
Speaker 2 (02:31):
I do not expect you to. Yeah, I won't.
Speaker 3 (02:33):
I will not remember, and nor will I wish you
a happy birthday. Unlets you say hey. Unless I hear
somebody say hey, happy birthday, Coop, then I'll be like
a second third forthcomer to the party, you know.
Speaker 2 (02:45):
Pause, yeah, respectfully.
Speaker 4 (02:47):
Yeah, it's two pros and a cup of Joe.
Speaker 2 (02:52):
Here be the first one out the gate. Huh. Happy birthday, Coop?
Hey cute, Happy birthday? Why something like that? You'd like
be jovial? You can't put a little more base in
my voice? Happy birthday? A right, there you go, Happy birthday, Coop.
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Speaker 2 (03:09):
Black your vampires.
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And I look like Dracula. So no, you are Dracula.
Why would you say I look like I'm black? No,
I'm black. You don't look.
Speaker 2 (03:39):
Like you're Dracula. You're Draccula. By twenty three and meters,
what the hell I look like I'm black? And by
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have more on the game that just ended, like I
(04:15):
don't know, there was a down Yeah, the uh god,
the World Series game that went just under six hours
and forty minutes last night into the eighteenth inning between
the Dodgers and the Blue Jake I want to lose. Yeah,
apparently not Freddie Freeman with the walk off in the
eighteenth So that was fun. So we'll have we'll have
(04:35):
more on that coming up shortly as we get into
all these sights and sounds from that at Dodger Stadium,
which was a long one last night.
Speaker 3 (04:43):
You couldn't have asked for a better game though, right,
I mean, oh yeah, if you're at the TV people
and all that stuff. Like, you couldn't ask for a better,
better matchup. It was a class well better matchup you
could have, but it was. It definitely was a classic game.
Speaker 4 (04:57):
I would say it out did the matchup on Monday
Night between the Chiefs and the uh your Commanders.
Speaker 3 (05:07):
They don't look bad at all. They look real that.
They really look real feisty. They look real feisty, bro.
Speaker 4 (05:16):
The whole you know, that whole well super Bowl hangover thing.
I love how that.
Speaker 2 (05:21):
They're getting old.
Speaker 4 (05:23):
Yeah, Like I love how that doesn't apply to the Chiefs,
Like it doesn't apply to the Patriots back when they
were in their dominant era. It doesn't apply to Kansas City.
And now they've got receivers coming back healthy. They've got
Travis Kelsey who was still you know, there's a couple
of plays a game Be're.
Speaker 2 (05:39):
Like what was that?
Speaker 4 (05:40):
And then Patrick Mahomes just out there dealing man, and
the defense is still holding up their end of the bargain.
Speaker 3 (05:48):
The defense has carried them, Yeah, have always been steady.
And how they are able to represent that team.
Speaker 4 (05:56):
Their defense has been more consistent than the offense past
two years.
Speaker 3 (06:00):
Yes, it's been It's always been their defense. It's their
offense that has the ability to truly, truly set them apart.
Like Patrick Mahomes is what everybody thinks he is, and
Andy Reid is everything that we think he is. But
(06:23):
I think if you were to ask Andy Reid what
is the lifeblood of this team, I think he would
say his defense. I think he would say coach spags
and his defense. I don't think that he would would
just necessarily go straight to the offensive side of the ball.
But that is a talented group. They are deep, they
(06:46):
are all back. I'm telling you, Pacheco doesn't get crazy
amounts of yards, but he is so effective and demoralizing guy.
When he runs the ball, he has like this impact
when he runs the ball, like I'm coming out here
(07:08):
as the hammer. We are putting him out there, and
Kareem Hunt as a hammer too. You got two hammers.
So with all of the all of the wonderful pass
plays that we see off as Q would say, if
he was here, what is it off? The off the
the what is it called? I forget what it's called.
(07:30):
But anyways, like Patrick Mahomes can throw the ball and
deliver the form, that's probably the right term now then
there you go. It's his ability to be able to
deliver the ball from so many different angles with the
same amount of accuracy. They highlighted it during the game
(07:51):
last evening, just discussing how there's probably never been a
quarterback that's played this game that can see the field
as well as Patrick Mahomes is able to see it. Yeah,
it's it's it's amazing.
Speaker 2 (08:05):
They pilot there, Yeah.
Speaker 3 (08:07):
They said yeah, they said yeah, they said he had
a fighter pilot focused like uh, you know, Razor, like
just totally dialed in.
Speaker 2 (08:15):
But if if you.
Speaker 3 (08:19):
Can't pressure Patrick Mahomes and you can't contain him within
pressuring him, meaning if you send an overload, he's going
to get you if that overload doesn't get there quickly
and and disrupts him to the point of where he
(08:40):
has to run. Run to buy time, not move or
not move around, but he has to run. That's your
only chance against this team. You got to be able
to stop their run. So so that creates one of
the most daunting tasks that you could ever have, is
(09:01):
that to think the best quarterback in the game has
a running attack and it's a dual head monster, which
you've always had two running backs pretty much on good teams,
well some of them. I don't know about all of them,
but you've had you've had multiple running backs that can
(09:22):
carry the load. This is a team that has multiple
running backs in the backfield that are effective. Their offensive
line is doing very nicely and being able to open
up gaps and create opportunities in the running game, and
are protecting him fairly well in the passing game.
Speaker 2 (09:40):
That's just balance. With Patrick Mahomes.
Speaker 3 (09:43):
As your quarterback is a very very difficult task and
it's not going to get any easier moving forward, considering
if all of his weapons stay healthy. I mean, they're
faster than what they were when they had Tyreek Hill.
Speaker 4 (09:58):
Yeah, Chiefs of Bills is the next one on the slate.
For the early gut feeling going into that game tells
you because I'm fascinated to.
Speaker 2 (10:11):
See how it plays out. Where is it at in Buffalo?
Speaker 3 (10:15):
Yeah, you know, my early gut says to me, it's
it's definitely going to be a fight. That game is
definitely going to be a preview of probably the two
best teams out there.
Speaker 4 (10:32):
You know how good Kansas City looks right now? Their
favorite at Buffalo.
Speaker 2 (10:36):
I mean as they should be.
Speaker 4 (10:38):
They should be, but that's that's an impressive I don't
want to say feet, but Buffalo looked pretty good coming
off that bye week. James Cook adds another dynamic to
that team. Josh Allen, the reigning MVP of the league
and Kansas City sitting there going on the road with
the way that they're performing, in the way that they're playing,
(11:00):
and the odds makers are saying, yeah, that's about right.
Speaker 3 (11:03):
They should be favorite in Buffalo. They're just too balanced.
They're so talented and they're so balanced now. And when
I say balanced, I mean all three receivers, tight end,
two receivers, tight end, whatever it is you want to
call it. With their backfield, with their defense, you cannot
(11:29):
You can slow them down like Washington slowed them down.
They did not have crazy offensive output early in the game.
It wasn't like they came out and from from gun
to gun like gun to finish, they were dominating Washington.
Washington was in the game. They turned the ball over
(11:51):
early in the game, they had a nice drive going.
They didn't have their starting quarterback. That should be mentioned.
You didn't have Jane Daniels playing in the game. This
was a very very banged up Washington, Washington commander's team.
You know, then Tunsul goes out injured, it's an injured team.
(12:13):
It's not a healthy team. But with that being said,
once they got that thing going and their defense came
out and they showed up early. Anyway, they got the turnover,
they they they gave the ball back. They they held
up and didn't allow Washington to get right into the
end zone. So to me, when you when you look
(12:36):
at what Kansas City was able to do in last
evening's game, it's going to be a game. Yeah, it's
certainly going to be a game with Buffalo. But man,
the way they look right now, they're pretty They're starting
to look pretty scary.
Speaker 4 (12:53):
It also like, let's let's say Buffalo, you know, puts
on a show and wins that game. That's never been
the issue for Buffalo, Like they the Buffalo can win
these games in the regular season. It's the postseason in
which they seemingly come up short and and and basically
everybody in the AFC outside of the Bengals with Joe
Burrow comes up short against the Chiefs. So it's like this, yeah,
(13:17):
this is this is gonna be a fun game. It's
obviously the marquee game if you're looking at the afternoon
slate or the late games if you will, in the
NFL this weekend. But the way the Chiefs are rolling
right now, it's the It's the best the offense has
looked in quite some time, and the defense is still
a problem. And look, the James Cook factor is a
(13:38):
real one. Only Jonathan Taylor's got more more yards rushing
this year than he does in the NFL.
Speaker 3 (13:43):
So he can be consistent at times, like sometimes he
disappears in games that you you really would like to
see him have, Like this is one of the games
where I would say he can he can solidify himself
and in some ways, and being in that big game
(14:03):
and having a very nice showing against Kansas City, I
think would go a long way for him because I
feel like he's never really discussed or talked about. He's
never transitioned into being like the most elite back, like
in the same conversation as a Saquon or a you know,
(14:24):
a tailor, you know, in terms of him being the
most elite back or Derek Hemry. But he has that
type of talent, He has that type of skill and
a big game against the Chiefs. I think would go
a really, really long way. Yeah, yeah, I think it'd
go a long way.
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Speaker 4 (15:27):
We talked yesterday at the firing of Brian Kelly LSU
parting ways with Brian Kelly and just put you know,
felt like an awkward relationship from the get go, just
the way things started, everything that came along with it,
just you know, did not go well with Brian Kelly
there in Baton Rouge Well. Kirby Smart, the Georgia head coach,
(15:49):
he had some thoughts about the situation and the way
things are currently constructed in the world of college football.
Speaker 2 (15:55):
It's the world we live in. Everybody's got a voice.
Speaker 7 (15:58):
It's obviously a tough situation on everybody. I mean, let's
be honest, it's the players dealing with it, fans dealing
with it, coaches dealing with it at this time in
the middle of a season. You know, I think there's
so much built around the playoffs, and it's like everything's
boom or bust and you can't have a normal season.
(16:19):
People got to make decisions earlier based on how somebody does.
And I don't know nothing about it. I know it's
a high expectations. I coached at LSU and a guy
once told me, he said, that office you're in, that's
not your office.
Speaker 2 (16:34):
You're borrowing it.
Speaker 7 (16:35):
And I knew right then that if you didn't win,
you wouldn't.
Speaker 2 (16:37):
Be there long.
Speaker 3 (16:39):
Kirby Smart, that's every coach, especially in this in this
nil transfer portal era of time. It's every major coaches reality.
Like he said, it has created an expectation that is
now more measurable than it's ever been as you think
(17:03):
about it. When I was in school, it was there
was no playoff, so it was the expectation was making New.
Speaker 2 (17:10):
Year's Day.
Speaker 3 (17:12):
Bowl game and you had a successful season. If you
win the bowl game, then that's even more of a
successful season.
Speaker 4 (17:20):
Got people don't remember that the Orange Bowl they mattered.
The Orange Bowl mattered, Sugar the Sugar Bowl it mattered.
You knew that the Rose Bowl represented the winner of
the Big Ten and the winner of the Pack Pack ten,
Pac twelve these these day, those day and ages, a
(17:41):
coach was able to slide by in that borrowed office,
that rented office that they had. It's so amazing. You
can come into a school as the coach.
Speaker 3 (17:56):
You become outright undisputed highest paid employee of the school.
And if it's a state school of the state, with
what you make, you can change around how the building
is configured, like totally change it. As the head coach,
(18:16):
I want this here, I want my office here, This
is how I want these meeting rooms, this is how
I want the weight room. You can do all these
things to change that building around, and yet and still
it is rented time. They just this man, James Franklin,
loses his job. They just finished the renovations for this
(18:41):
phase of what they were doing with the last building
just opened up in the Greenberg Center, just opened up
the the facility there where they can eat their food
and all this other stuff and they can go there
this Olympic training area where the rehab facilities there are
are phenomenal, phenomenal. I use them myself. And then he's
(19:07):
gone gone his his his his office is straight fire.
The new office straight fire. Got all the you know,
the former players that are doing well in the league.
They're framed, the jerseys are framed, they're on the wall.
(19:27):
Everything his rings are on and and on displayed. And
you got the area where you can sit down. It's
literally like a pimped out, plush Rich Carlton type of
like room in a suite.
Speaker 4 (19:44):
Just the way Matt Rule likes it. That's what I'm
talking about anyway.
Speaker 3 (19:48):
The point that I'm making is, no matter how much
you think you're able to do and have, you have
to have the results that go along with it, because
if you don't, if you're not in position to make
the playoffs, you're in position to lose your job.
Speaker 4 (20:08):
You know, it's because and it's all like and listen,
Kirby Smart makes a great point.
Speaker 2 (20:13):
Yeah, it's the world we live in.
Speaker 4 (20:15):
And I guess my thought on it is this that
I understand they make a hell of a living like
we're you know, nine ten eleven million dollars, and people.
Speaker 3 (20:25):
Will say that's why somebody said on my comments it's
not a volatile job, because I say volatile yesterday. It
is a volatile job because you can lose it. You
can have it today and be gone tomorrow. But when
you make when you get forty million, thirty million, sixty
million dollar payouts, it's okay, you got compensated amazingly, but
(20:50):
you're still out of a job.
Speaker 4 (20:52):
And that's why when when people are like, well, I mean, listen,
what are you crying about. You got this much money
to walk away, I mean, give me that much money,
it's like, okay, but you're operating from your wallet right
out theirs and.
Speaker 3 (21:07):
Your understanding and your standards and your level of you know,
whatever it is, your level is right like your expectations.
Because the bottom line is is that I would be
destroyed if I failed the team that I had led
for all these years. Like maybe Kelly's a little different.
(21:27):
He comes across as a tab bit disingenuous. I don't
think that he loved anybody at LSU outside of himself
or in his agenda. I could be wrong, but it
just seems like a self absorbed dude. But when you
get one of those coaches that has been a part
of the organization, like you stay with Franklin is what
I know. And that man has been there for twelve
(21:47):
years and took a program that was in disarray and
survived those years those lean years, built the program back,
started recruiting top tier athletes to come there, ends up
winning a Big Ten championship, ends up being one game
removed from being in the national title game last year,
(22:09):
and has to walk out of that building and let alone,
has to walk into the meeting room and face all
of these young men and women who are in that room,
all staff, and let them know I have been relieved
of my duties.
Speaker 2 (22:26):
What's six weeks in? So now the shockwaves.
Speaker 3 (22:28):
Here's the shockwaves that go through that room and then
begin to work its way around the building. Who's ever
in that meeting? The shockwaves are? Am I going to
have my scholarship next year? Players? Should I leave because
I'm an older guy? But you know what do I do? Coaches?
(22:49):
Will I have a job next year? Scouting department? Will
I have a job next year? Video? You know, the
guys that capture the practices? Will I have a job
next year? The equipment room. Will we have a job
next year? Like you start to name it the training room?
Will I have a job next year? You have to
(23:11):
go the shockwaves. Isn't just the job for the head coach.
It is an entire ecosystem that you're talking about. The
support group, the fifth quarter that they had there, the
lady that helps out the players, make sure travel and
insurance and stuff like paying taxes and travel when there's
a bye week, or when you get the tickets, whatever
(23:33):
it may be. Player relations, between the ambassador of the program,
with the fans and the donors. Everybody now is on
notice that you may or may not have a job
here at the conclusion of the season. So it goes
far beyond just the idea of a head coach loses
(23:54):
their job. Sure they get compensated very nicely for what
they're doing, but imagine carrying the weight as a coach.
Imagine having to carry the weight up. I got to
look you in your eyes knowing that I'm about to
get my payout and I'm straight. I really am financially good.
But I got to handle the idea that you're making
(24:15):
sixty five thousand dollars a year. Yeah you over here,
you're making ninety thousand a year. You're making one hundred
thousand a year, and the holidays are right around the corner.
Come on, man, like that now, now you're getting into
the now. You're getting into the weeds of what this
all represents when you start making these changes and you're
forced to make these changes.
Speaker 4 (24:36):
That's why I just I've been let go. I've been
let go in radio, and this is my dream and
I remember what that and that it's like borderline traumatizing
because you're you're terrified I was never going to get
an opportunity again. That's why I work as much as
I do because I don't don't. I don't want to
lose it again because I know what it did to
(24:57):
me psychologically. And if you're one of these coaches, yeah, listen,
Brian Kelly's getting fifty four million dollars or whatever he
is he's getting James Franklin's getting, you know, tens of
millions of dollars, you know, as long as he shows
that he's out there, you know, trying to get a job.
But yeah, all those people on their staff that had
those jobs because of the trust and relationships they had
(25:18):
with those coaches all gone. They're not making fifty four
million dollars, they're not making any of that much nowhere
close to that, and they're all scrambling going, well, now
what like and I don't know, I'm depending on this
guy and whether or not he's going to get an opportunity.
And you've got people out there like, well, he didn't
he didn't he didn't win a national championship, or he
(25:40):
didn't go far enough at a college football playoff, he's out
of here. If you were to tell James Franklin as
he's walking off the field in Miami at the game
that we were at in the semi final, oh, by
the way, buddy by by by Halloween, you're you're out,
like well before Halloween the next year, you're out. He'd
(26:01):
be like, wait, what what are you talking about? Like
this like none of it makes any sense, But you've
got the fan base pushing for it. You've got all
these people that are saying, you know, do this, fire this.
And it was Nick Saban who made the point on
ESPN over the weekend when he said, if I'm taking
a Penn State job or a Florida job or some
job like that, the first thing I need to know
(26:23):
is who has power here? He goes, I need to
know whether or not I'm the final say on stuff,
or whether or not somebody who's providing, you know, an
infusion of cash into the program, whether or not they're
going to dictate to me and try and tell me
how I need to build my roster and how I
need to build my.
Speaker 3 (26:42):
Is so complicated. It's such a deep rabbit hole because again,
you're not supposed to how do you say this, Like,
you can't have a coach be in a situation where
they're the final word. And at the same time, as
a coach, you can't be in a situation where you're
not comfortably situated to make big decisions, whether it be
(27:09):
who's playing, whether it be what you're doing. You can
have somebody else dictating to you that way. Now, if
it extends beyond the parameters of what happens on the
football field. That's different, Like what does that look like?
What did those conversations look like? I don't know, but
I could suspect that. Knowing that you have this guaranteed
(27:34):
amount of money that could pay an entire roster, and
you still have comfortably an amount of money that you
make in your check, you're going to feel a certain
level of well, go ahead, you wanna fire me, Go ahead, Fine,
(27:56):
don't bring me here to build the culture to build
a winner, and you're not giving me the freedom and
the autonomy to be able to do it. That's why
you have these large ass contracts being given out from
these large ass schools to get a coach that can
bring them a national title. The biggest complication moving forward
(28:23):
is that you are going to be measured and judged
by being able to make it to the college playoff one. Now,
the bar is there. You've got to make it to
the playoffs or you're risking losing your job. Then, once
you make it to the playoffs, how far can you
go into the playoffs? That's number two. Those are the
two major things that coaches are facing at major schools,
(28:45):
blue blood schools now in this new football college football
playoff that we're in. And I'm gonna tell you right now.
You add in transfer portal and nil to that equation,
and you have a very, very turbulent space that exists
(29:06):
in college football.
Speaker 1 (29:07):
Now, be sure to catch live editions of Two Pros
and a Cup of Joe with Brady Quinn, LeVar Errington,
and Jonas Knox weekdays at six am Eastern, three am Pacific.
Speaker 4 (29:18):
It's two Pros and a Cup of Joe. Fox Sports Radio.
Tell him, Jonas, there's no Brady Quinn, none, he disappeared.
Speaker 2 (29:31):
What's his problem?
Speaker 4 (29:34):
But it's LeVar Arrington. Forget about it, You're fired, and
Jonas knocks here. Jonas coming up in about twenty minutes
from now, we're gonna have another edition of the Leftovers
makeing off. You can't refused, Jonas, But who needs leftovers
when you got the main course? Now, get him some
parm We welcome in the one and only Dean Blandino.
(29:55):
Take him to the bakery, Fox Sports, NFL College Football
Rules Analysts. Get him some bread and you can get
him on X if you dare at Dean Blandino. Dean,
good morning, Good.
Speaker 5 (30:08):
Morning, Dean, good morning, guys. I don't get My week
is always made when I do. You guys, practice your
your Marlon Brando.
Speaker 2 (30:19):
He just really did really good.
Speaker 5 (30:20):
It's just cold and you go right into it. You're like,
I haven't done it all week. I'm just going in,
all right.
Speaker 4 (30:26):
So here's a little behind the scenes on that, and
everything I tell you I'm about to tell you is true.
Speaker 2 (30:32):
All right.
Speaker 4 (30:32):
So my my brother Tyrone, he's white.
Speaker 2 (30:35):
Okay, I just want to point that out.
Speaker 5 (30:36):
First, literally the first thing I.
Speaker 4 (30:38):
Was saying, okay, okay, all right.
Speaker 2 (30:43):
So he's also gets pretty deep.
Speaker 4 (30:46):
He's also he's also my godfather, and so growing up
I didn't understand, but he would always talk to me
in Marlon Brando's voice, and I never understood it because
why did When he talks to me, it's different, and
he would he had the Marlon Brando and to this
day he still does it and he's got it down
to a t. So I've just picked it up over
the years because I've heard him talk to me like
(31:07):
that isn't my entire life.
Speaker 5 (31:08):
So that's perfect.
Speaker 4 (31:09):
Yeah, now I do. I just took a little search
on social media and decided, you know, why do not?
I just go ahead and throw in NFL officiating on
X and Giants fans are pissed off because it appears
that a wide receiver was going to make a play,
(31:30):
he had his arm grabbed by an Eagles defender and
that was called offensive PI. Is that just a miss
or is there a true justification on that call as
to why it went the other way and not the
way of defensive pass interference when clearly there was a
grab of the forum of the wide receiver.
Speaker 5 (31:51):
Well, look, I didn't love the call. I think I
see what the official saw. I think you watched Layton.
He what they're looking for is looking for a receiver
to put, you know, extend his arms into the body
of the defender, create that space. But whenever you've got
a receiver and a defender, they're both kind of hand fighting.
The dB there is he's grabbing Slayton. Clayton's trying to
(32:14):
get off of that contact, and and you're going to
give the receiver the ability to do that. Now he can't,
he can't take two hands and shove and clearly foul
himself even though he's he's being grabbed. But that, that
to me was not I think it was. I think
it was I've seen worse calls, but but you know,
(32:35):
in that game, we saw worse calls, but but that
was that was definitely one that I didn't see. I
didn't see that as offensive pass the appearance.
Speaker 3 (32:43):
Dan, let me ask you about the phenomenon of being
able to punch the ball out.
Speaker 2 (32:49):
It's become a thing. They teach it. But I think
what people.
Speaker 3 (32:53):
May not be realizing and what they may not be seeing,
is there is also the times where there's a miss.
And now I'm starting to see where when they're punching
for the ball, they may punch them unintentionally, they may
punch them somewhere else other than where the ball is
and locating the ball. Do you see this potentially becoming
(33:15):
a point of emphasis that in terms of what maybe
the competition committee looks at or what the referees are
looking at if they don't hit the ball like I
saw a player. I think it might have been a
quarterback too. I could be wrong, but I could My
recollection is a little little off on it. But he
got punched right in the head, like punched him like
straight in the head. But you could tell he was trying.
(33:37):
He was going for the tackle to punch the ball out.
Does that become a conversation at any point, Absolutely.
Speaker 5 (33:45):
And I think it has been a conversation in the past,
But I think that conversation is going to get more
serious this offseason because because I'm like you, I'm seeing
a lot of it. And obviously this is a tactic
that you think about, right Peanut Tillman the peanut punch,
and I mean this this works. I mean, this is
(34:07):
how many? How many turnovers are do we see every
week every in the NFL where it's because you know,
a defensive player's punching that ball out and it's and
they're and they're not perfect, right, It's not always hitting
the football. But I think that's it's really hard at
full speed with the officials to say, okay, well he
(34:27):
didn't get all ball, maybe he got part of the
ball or did he you know, I think it would
have to be blatantly obvious. And sometimes on film we're
seeing that where he just misses and ends up hitting him,
whether it's in the head or the body. I think
that's definitely going to be a conversation. I don't know
if the league would say, hey, if if it's not
all ball we're going to penalize because again that it's
tough because we know what the intent is, but sometimes
(34:50):
the intent and what happens are two different things. And
I think that's definitely gonna be something that competition can be.
Speaker 4 (34:55):
Looks at Dean Blandino joining us here on Fox Sports Radio,
LeVar Arrington, Joe A. Snox with you here on FSR.
Aaron Rodgers had a bit of a red ass on
Sunday night because he and he's done this throughout the
course of his career. We're on his hard count. He'll
get a team to jump and then it's a free
play and he'll just throw downfield and apparently like it
(35:16):
looked like it worked, and so he operated as if,
all right, I'm gonna get the call here and it's
a free play, and as it turns out, there was
no flag thrown. What goes on in that situation when
it appears that clearly he's offside, Is it on the
center to snap the ball immediately to get that call
or how does that conversation go with officials?
Speaker 5 (35:39):
Yeah, well, you have two officials that are both on
on either ends of the you know, either sideline, and
they're looking right down line of scrimmage, so they're responsible
for the line of scrimmage, fall start off side, those
types of things. Who's in the neutral zone and then
so when you have that and Aaron Rodgers, you know,
he's one of the best, and that, to me, it
(35:59):
was a foul. They were in the neutral zone you
had I think it was Micah Parsons and one of
the other you know, I think it was a defensive
lineman jumped early. And as an official, what you're looking
for is we always tell officials if the defensive players
crowding the line of scrimmage, any any movement forward before
the snap, put them in the nutrient zone, right because
(36:21):
you can't like you can't sit there and say, well
he was like he was an inch into the nutrient
zone verus not. If their crowding the neutral zone, they're
crowding the ball, any forward movement before the snap put
them in it's offside, and so the official has to say, Okay,
are they crowded the news zone or off Sometimes you know,
maybe they're off the ball. Maybe it's a you know,
in a two point I'm off the ball and I
(36:43):
have a little leeway to move forward, you know, I'm
trying to anticipate the snap count on that one. I
thought they were crowding, crowding the ball they jumped should
have been a free play, obviously, like you said, Iron
was not happy and and rightfully so because that should
have been offside.
Speaker 3 (37:00):
Let me ask you about the Toush push situation. You know,
to me, yeah, I get fired up, Dean, And I know,
I know you're so tired. I know it's so it's
so tiring. We got such a different perspective of it
this weekend, more so than I've ever seen, and I
(37:20):
just found it to be curious. The touch push is
based off of pushing through the forward progress. If you
ask me, like if you were to say what makes
the touch push special, it's that moment where force meets
force and there's a stop, there's a there's a pause
almost and and to me, that's the stopping of forward progress.
(37:42):
But the idea of continuing the push and knowing that
you've given the offense the opportunity to try to continue
or re establish that forward progress is what the touch
push to me, in essence, has become like get in there, push, Okay,
there's the melee, continue to push, and that continued push
(38:06):
is when you get the results in this game against
the Giants that took place, and they.
Speaker 2 (38:11):
Blew it dead.
Speaker 3 (38:13):
You blow it dead, and for once you see the
defense actually with that continued forward progress that that re
establishes itself. Tibodeau knocks the ball out. It's a that
should have been a touch push play. They got to
the quarterback, they they dislodged the ball. It's a fumble,
(38:35):
a fumble recovery, and they get stopped on the touch
push and it's a turnover because of a fumble.
Speaker 2 (38:42):
But yet it's blown dead. What was your like, what
was your take on it?
Speaker 5 (38:46):
Like?
Speaker 2 (38:46):
How do they blow it.
Speaker 3 (38:47):
Dead on that one on forward progress? But in most
cases they just allow them to keep pushing. How does
that work?
Speaker 5 (38:54):
You're you're absolutely right that that play is, like you said,
that is base on pushing through that initial contact. And
the way this play is being officiated now it's like
it is literally unstoppable. Like it's already they're already so
good at it. Then now you can move early. Now, well,
(39:15):
we're not gonna We're gonna let you push through the
forward progress and if Hurtz ends up in the end zone,
it's a touchdown, but if the defense ends up with
the ball, we're going to rule forward progress and in
that one, and you know we've talked about this. This
I hate to say, this is an impossible play to
officiate because there's there's short yardist plays that happen without
push push and without all the other crap. And so
(39:37):
that's the play that you cannot blow that dead. You
cannot do that that an official himself would tell you,
I screwed that up. Hurts is pushing forward, he's reaching
the ball out. Tippoteau makes a great play. It's it
was out in space. Everybody could see it. It wasn't
like it was in the middle of the mile that
should have been a fumble. That should have been a fumble,
(39:58):
should have been Giants ball. Well, and it's just again
this either we got officiated correctly or we got to
get rid of whatever has to happen, because this is
happening a lot and it's not we're not making stuff
up at this point. It's like there are real issues
with with this play and the league has to figure
it out.
Speaker 4 (40:19):
What's your gut because it does feel like this this
is going to be out of here in the off
season that they're going to figure out a way because
if it's too difficult to officiate, it was already a
close call last last year when they were voting on it.
It feels like, you know, we're we're in the final
stretch round of.
Speaker 5 (40:36):
This play Yeah, that's that's where I'm at too. It
just feels like, Okay, they're they're whatever whatever evidence is
needed to finally get this thing out. Is we've got
just two eight weeks of the season. We've got enough now. Again,
like we talked about, nothing happens rest of the way
(40:56):
the playoffs, everything's great, nobody says nothing. The the the uproar,
you know, kind of get a little quieter. Sure, but
I think it's at this point. My gut says they're
going to get rid of it. They just got to
figure out, you know, what that rule is going to
look like, how the officials are going to officiate the pushing.
What do you want to do? Do you just want
(41:16):
to get rid of the tousch push or do you
want to get rid of all of it? Right? Pushing
the runner down field and the pile those types of things.
So my gut is, I agree, I think it's gone Dan.
Speaker 3 (41:28):
I also observed rid zone rid zone plays where it's
almost like, how are the referees approaching pis in the
rid zone because it's like, I've seen them call pass
interference against the offense on the picks, but what I'm
(41:52):
not seeing, which I believe, is an unfair advantage to
the offense where it's a two way win.
Speaker 2 (42:00):
One.
Speaker 3 (42:01):
They're pushing, they're pushing off of they're they're like almost
like hitting like a slant, a shallow slant, and they're
pushing into the coverage and then breaking back out, and
if that defender does anything to try to offset the push,
they call PI. Yeah, But to me, it's like, Okay,
(42:25):
if you're pushing him, is it the rid zone that's
making it difficult or making it so that the referees
are like, yeah, he pushed them, and that should be
offensive pass interference Cause in reality, it's really no different
than the pick play that another guy would come and
kind of looks like it's a block, but he's kind
of pushing the guy and he gets caught on him.
(42:48):
If it's the receiver himself doing it, are they looking
at that and saying, Okay, well, he's not five yards
off of the ball. He's more like two or three
yards off of the ball. It's the rid zone. So
we're not going to call the offensive guy for a
pass interference. But if that defender grabs him and it
now becomes a tussle, a fight between the two of them,
(43:10):
which I thought that the referees are supposed to allow
them to let that go, but they're calling it like
that was a call that like kind of bailed the
Dallas Cowboys out with CD Lamb in that moment. So
he gets to catch and it's it's either a positive
thing where you get a touchdown or if you don't
get it, it's still a pass interference and you get
(43:31):
a new set of downs.
Speaker 2 (43:32):
Like how does that work?
Speaker 5 (43:34):
Yeah, I mean those are hard plays to officiate, and
I agree, and whether we just you see it more
in the red zone. A good team, good offensive play callers,
you know, they do a great job of those rub routes,
of those you know where we always tell the officials,
right that receiver has to be in a route running
(43:55):
posture that they can't You can't square up and block,
you can't initiate that content obviously, you can't set a pick,
you know, beyond the yard from the line of scrimmags,
those types of things, but they are tas are very
good at. Like you said that that slant where you're
driving inside on the defender and almost forcing him with
your body to go inside, and then you try to
(44:16):
cut back outside and that DB's go menage going one
way and now ship I grab and and and you're
getting that call on the defense. So it's a really
hard play to officiat, but they're there. There has to
be that recognition from the official because every every eligible
receiver has an official assigned to them initially based on
where they're aligned and then and then, and especially in
(44:38):
the red zone, you know, there's less switches because sometimes
when receivers are running around and grouts and they cross,
one official may have that official at the start of
the play, but then they switch because of where that
route ends up. In the red zone, because everything is
so compact, you have less switches because you want to
stay with and especially in man coverage press, you want
to stay with that receiver because you can't miss any thing.
(45:00):
So it's just a hard play to officiate. And typically
when they do see that that defender grab, that's when
you're going to get the flag down, beholding, But there
has to be that cause and effect idea where okay,
why is that dB at a disadvantage because he's beams
driven inside and that has to be part of it too,
where you give that guy a little more leeway because
of what the receiver's doing.
Speaker 4 (45:22):
Dean last one for me. So this came out, I
was curious to get your thoughts on it. Ken Williamson,
who's the SEC official who was suspended for the remainder
of the season because he had a he had a
bad game. I think there was like nine or eleven
you know calls at the SEC acknowledge were bad calls
in the Auburn Georgia game.
Speaker 2 (45:41):
What how do you get to that?
Speaker 4 (45:44):
Like, like, how do you get to and I don't
recall this happening in the NFL, but how do we
get to Hey, it was so bad, this guy suspended
for the rest of the year. And I think he's
also retiring at the end of the year if I'm
not mistaken, So that's a wrap on his career. But
how do we get to that point in the NFL
and in college?
Speaker 5 (46:05):
Well, before I answer, I just will say, you guys
are on it today. I don't know, like, what's the
one thing that you know, b y See the questions
are like great, and I mean, I don't know what
Brady's I hope everything's okay, but he just like tired,
he's sick because of all the blowouts they have to work.
Speaker 3 (46:28):
Generally, let Brady do the show when he's here. We
just support him. But we're just me and Jonas is
black and drag and we just kind of we just
try to do what we do.
Speaker 2 (46:37):
You know, we actually we actually have talent, but we
just allowed you know, Q to do what he does.
Speaker 5 (46:43):
He doesn't give you guys a chance to shine because
he never shuts up.
Speaker 2 (46:46):
But anyway, we're okay with it. You know, it's good.
That's funny as hell.
Speaker 5 (46:54):
How does it get to that point? It's a great question.
And look, this, this is this is something I've I've
struggled with in my career when I was at the
NFL and I was in charge of the officials, because
you don't want to officials get graded and on everything
every decision they make, and those grades affect their postseason
assignments and they affect eventually whether they come back the
(47:15):
following year. So there is that accountability and you ow,
you got to be careful with Okay, god misses a
PI call, we're going to suspend them, or we're going
to we're going to find because those are just judgment calls.
It's like every time the player drops the drops the pass.
It's not like you're going to cut that player. I
understand over time, players get cut, coaches get fired, get it.
So I think there's something deeper than with this particular official,
(47:39):
where it's not just the one game, you know, and
and and this was probably something over time where and
typically that's not it's not a judgment thing, it's a
misapplication of a rule. It's something that should not happen,
and it happened. And I think this was probably behind
the scenes. I think the fact that he was retiring
(47:59):
at the end of the day year might have had
something to do with it as well. But but it
was unusual. You don't hear that where we're an official,
it's suspended for the rest of the year for something
that is that is the football part of it. They
have the same conduct policies and and you know, we
find and fired officials for stuff off the field, but
(48:19):
but on the field that it was unusual.
Speaker 4 (48:22):
Uh, Dean always appreciate it. We will do it again
next week and we'll send uh, we'll send Brady your reguards.
Speaker 2 (48:29):
All right, take care, boss.
Speaker 4 (48:31):
It's the Great Dean Blandino with us here on Fox
Sports Radio. We'll clip that and save it for Brady
when he returns.
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